Re: Fw: Kelly Saveika hearing..........
This kind of garbage is exactly the reason I unsubscribed from this list. Which I might add, the only messages I seem to be getting is this crap. I just unsubscribed for the SECOND time! - Original Message From: Susan Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:09:19 AM Subject: Re: Fw: Kelly Saveika hearing.. And why is it on this list? I would ask the moderator to declare a moratorium on this topic. It has nothing to do with FeLV and has degenerated into a flaming war. MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you permission to post things that are supposedly private communications to me? On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- > > From: Sheila Smith > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' > Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. > > I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let > it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you > are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed > the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC > in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that > suffered and died in the name of "rescue"? Years of > being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was > the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the > animals. > > I thought if there are still any open minded > people still left on this list you would like to > know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we > rescued. > Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) > I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, > six are going to barn placement, two will go to > Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and > are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition > and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) > according to their veterinarian- although their > prognosis is now good. > > On another note, I really do hope you all do go > back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this > group must have had great focus at one time- I > joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt > I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive > experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands > participation in national boards. etc. I was > excited to hear from other people across the country > that had experience with feline leukemia. > I really do hope the very best for all of you and > I hope you all do really good things for the animals > in your care. I hope you all will remember this > though. You are the animals advocate. You are not > the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. > While we all wish good things for the caretakers and > we worry about anyone burning out and we offer > mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are > multiple resources for people. There are nurses, > doctors, mental health experts, counseling. you name > it. BUT.. For the animals they abused, there is only > YOU. > > You are bound to speak for THEM- the dead cats in > the closets- no one else will. > > Best, > > Sheila Smith > www.shadowcats.net > Austin, Tx > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: detailed video of seizure -- for Michael
How do I unsubscribe from this Merry-Go-Round? I'm sick of reading about you people slapping at each other. - Original Message From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2007 4:59:20 PM Subject: RE: detailed video of seizure -- for Michael Ditto from me. Belinda has said nothing inflammatory. Susan takes care of that. tonya "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm not going to get involved in the Kelley situation---enough people are involved as it is. But, Michael, you need to know that you are so, so wrong to say what you do about Belinda. You couldn't be more wrong. Having read numerous of Belinda's posts over the years I have nothing but enormous respect for her and her knowledge of caring for cats and leukemia cats in particular. I was one FeLV newbie who was hugely grateful in the early days, when I knew nothing about the disease, that she belongs to this list. But she doesn't just "belong": For me, two facts in particular demonstrate her commitment: One, Belinda is a co-founder of this group (which for many years was the most wonderfully supportive and generous list anyone could hope to belong to -- it's been very sad and quite remarkable to see what just one person's ill-conceived remarks can do to start the ball rolling in the opposite direction. The group is a shambles now; I won't disagree with that). Two, Belinda initiated and maintains the Candlelight Service. When 4 of my FeLV cats succumbed over time to the disease, being able to memorialize them on the list was the most wonderful comfort (and still is). I have Belinda to thank for that, as many of us do. Kerry M. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: detailed video of seizure You know, I'm going to try and breathe and count to ten before I respond to this post. Actually, no, I don't think I will. I posted an emotionally neutral, nonspecific post in response to that rubbish you've been spouting off, and you attack me. Prepare thyself for my response. You, and a couple of others on this list, seem to try and bully everyone else into thinking the way you do. I don't think you have the cat's best interest at heart. I think you have your "clique" in your sights, the people you like for whatever reason, and the hell with everything else, including the facts. Does this group not have a moderator? I assure you, as small as my group is, this kind of thing is not and would not be tolerated. You have been so negative. Both here and on other lists we are both on. I don't get it. I don't understand how this type of behavior is benefitting you. What do you get out of it? How the hell is it so easy to look over the fact that a judge agreed with animal control on the situation? Contrary to what you want to believe, I seriously doubt animal control had a vendetta against Kelly. Or anyone else for thatmatter. I don't know who the hell you think you are, but let me state very clearly for you I don't personlly care what you, or anyone else on this list who defends that type of hoarding, says or thinks about me. My *only* concern is for the safety, health and welfare of ALL of God's little creatures...what you think of me for that is of no consequence to me. Quite frankly, you're just not important enough to matter. How dare you call *me* naive? What's funny to me is you choose to be so damn conspiracy theorist as to say "the judge is corrupt, animal control is corrupt, the news is corrupt, they're all out to get poor little Kelly" Jesus, Lady. What kind of world are you living! in? You can stand by whatever you want to. I hope that email you sent to Jim gets some attention, indeed, because I absolutely will be unsubscribing after this. I don't need to have to listen to people like you. I have enough of a real life and real issues to deal with without putting up with this insanity. It is NOT ok for someone to use this group as a fundraising campaign, and then have two (all I've seen so far is two, that should tell you something) people defending her and trying to crush any opposing viewpoint. You think that shows maturity to email the list owner and ask on a public forum for someone to be removed because you don't like them? I'll copy the list owner as well, just so I'll feel important and special too. You can believe whoever you want and whatever you want, but so far the evidence has been provided by animal control and not Kelly (at least I haven't seen any pictures of a clean house either, have you?) I don't know Sheila, or Susan personally, but I know Sheila's sanctuary took in 15 of the cats. What have YOU Done to help the situation other than spout off? Ya know what, bottom line is there are too many other useful sources of information out the
Re: OT Thanksgiving
That's the best present anybody could ask for Debbie - Original Message From: Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 10:21:16 AM Subject: OT Thanksgiving Hi Guys Thanksgiving day was somewhat special for me. Maybe not. Check the link below and take a look at what was left on my truck after we got back from visiting my mom. I just happened to go outside this was about 8:30pm and saw the box(see picture). In this day and age I was a bit frightened and got Eric to come to the door while I investigated. Curious check out this link. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=54 -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and Spike Visit my BB for some pictures post your as well. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: We are having issues
>From what I understand through my research, an essense will only work if the >correct emotional state is detected. Rescue Remedy is targeted for those >individuals or animals going through an emotional or physical shock. The Vine >Essense is targeted towards domination, aggression and control issues. >There's a whole slew of essenses for a whole slew of symptoms. Here's another >good article on what essenses do what. >http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_g2603/is_0003/ai_2603000368/pg_2 The nutritionist at Good Earth and I actually discussed at some length what Waco's symptoms where, what he was doing, what he was not doing, trying to nail down what was really going on with him. I'm going back to purchase that book we were looking at. It might help me with Yota. She and I will be visiting a homopatic vet next week since there are no holistic vets around here. In fact there is only 1 holistic vet in the State of Utah that I can find. Anyway, wish me luck. - Original Message From: Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 12:42:05 PM Subject: RE: We are having issues This sounds similar to the "Rescue Remedy" discussions we have had on this list before (see the archives). I use RR on my cats sometimes and on myself- a lot. But some people say it doesn't work for their cats. If RR hasn't worked for your cat(s) tho, what Unusually Unique is suggesting is along the same lines. RR is a combination of certain flower essences, whereas this is suggesting the use of one, targeted essence. This is the kind of thing a Holistic Vet would do for you- evaluate the situation and the cats and recommend a treatment, which would most likely involve an essence like this, among other things. I say try it. Along those lines, if you have a holistic vet at your disposal, you may want to try that route. I find mine was the best at evaluating/taking into consideration the behavioral traits and personality of the cat. They will also do an exam to make sure that it's not being caused by anything physical, such as is suggested in this email. You may want to consult with one if that is available to you. My holistic vet was the only one out of the whole troupe that treated Monkee that ever looked at Monkee and instantly took in his personality and "life force." When I first went to her, I thought she might be a snake oil saleswoman, but her instant understanding of the cat I'd had for 4 years, upon just meeting him, amazed me and won me over. Although I still lost Monkee shortly after that, I will never NOT sing the praises of this vet. If you have no success trying an essence on your own, you may want to look at holistic vets. -Caroline Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:01:54 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: We are having issues To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I'm new here but I think I might be able to help. I was having a similar issue with my kids. Waco, 9 yr old siamese who we are pretty sure is FeLV+ started getting real aggressive with 2 of my other weaker, sick cats. Yota, 8 yr old siamese, FeLV+ and Jake, 14 yr old orange tabby with an injured paw. I've been doing a lot of research into holistic treatments of FeLV because I had 2 vets tell me there is nothing that can be done for Yota (lympathic leukemia). I was at Good Earth (the natural/herb store) and was talking with a very nice sales lady and I happened to mention Waco's aggressive behavior. She suggested using a flower essense called "Vine Essence". According to the book we were looking at it helps with "domination" issues. It helps cats who feel the need to pick on weaker, sick or smaller cats. She suggested putting it in their water or diliuting it and rubbing it on their ears when getting some luvs from you. She also told me that it would not affect the other cats if I put it in their water. The essenses only affect the one with "issues". I also found an article that might help you if this is something your considering : http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_June/ai_86387597 . All I know is that I used it and it worked. Now when Waco starts playing "I AM ALPHA CAT" I either rub some on his ears or put a couple of drops in his liquid vitamins and all that goes in a dropper straight down the hatch! And I hate to say this but you might have Penelope checked out. She could be sick or having issues your not aware of yet. Usually the alpha cats will harrass the weak or sick. Out in the wild these animals would be killed by the alpha. Just something to think about. Also, I was wondering what if any kind of treatments are you giving your FeLV+ cat? - Original Message From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTEC
Re: We are having issues
Your welcome, but you know all the lady at the natural/herb store said was add a few drops to their water or get a small dropper bottle (the kind cat medicines usually come in) add a few drops to that and fill the rest with spring water. The whole holistic approach is based on no-contaminates in food or water. Personally I didn't have any bottled water on hand so I used (yuk!) tap water. Then just take that and rub some on the ears. Or take the dropper and dribble some in the mouth. I've been making adjustments since then and I have been giving both Waco and Yota a specialized vitamin formula I make myself and just added the drops to that along with a few drops of crab apple essense for cleansing. I like to put it all together so that I can miminize the number of times I have to stick a dropper in their mouth. But with them being sick I'm paranoid that they won't get enough of the immune system building vitamins or the cell rebuilding vitamins if I put it in the food for all the cats. - Original Message From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 12:20:53 PM Subject: Re: We are having issues Thanks for the response, Unusually_Unique! I'll certainly try it. What is the recommended dosage if you add it to their water? I'm sure you can't really "overdose" persay, but with the FeLV, I like to be as cautious and careful as possible. I have two FeLV positives, and two negatives. One of the negatives is mixed with the two positives as they have been together long before I knew of Poppy and Bella's diagnosis. The fourth is a rescue I recently took in and have him in my sunroom (where he seems to be perfectly content). As for treatments, right now my primary focus is high quality dry foods (Innova EVO) supplemented with L-Lysine (500mg daily) and Missing Link Veterinary Formula. The supplements are mixed in Fancy Feast Elegant Medleys wet food morning and night. I looked at and considered the antiretrovirals (ImmunoRegulin, Inferferon Alpha), and after consideration (and the advice of four different vets, including two from the UT College of Veterinary Medicine Teaching Hospital) decided to hold off on treating with them with the drugs until the girls are symptomatic. I have no idea how long they've been positive, but they've never had any symptoms at all. We just happend to find the FeLV during their routine checkups. -Original Message- From: laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 1:14 pm Subject: Re: We are having issues THANK-YOU UU, I have these issues here and have been at my wit's end. Laurie - Original Message - From: Unusually Unique To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:01 AM Subject: Re: We are having issues I'm new here but I think I might be able to help. I was having a similiar issue with my kids. Waco, 9 yr old siamese who we are pretty sure is FeLV+ started getting real aggressive with 2 of my other weaker, sick cats. Yota, 8 yr old siamese, FeLV+ and Jake, 14 yr old orange tabby with an injured paw. I've been doing a lot of research into holistic treatments of FeLV because I had 2 vets tell me there is nothing that can be done for Yota (lympathic leukemia). I was at Good Earth (the natural/herb store) and was talking with a very nice sales lady and I happened to mention Waco's aggressive behavior. She suggested using a flower essense called "Vine Essence". According to the book we were looking at it helps with "domination" issues. It helps cats who feel the need to pick on weaker, sick or smaller cats. She suggested putting it in their water or diliuting it and rubbing it on their ears when getting some luvs from you. She also told me that it would not affect the other cats if I put it in their water. The essenses only affect the one with "issues". I also found an article that might help you if this is something your considering : http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_June/ai_86387597 . All I know is that I used it and it worked. Now when Waco starts playing "I AM ALPHA CAT" I either rub some on his ears or put a couple of drops in his liquid vitamins and all that goes in a dropper straight down the hatch! And I hate to say this but you might have Penelope checked out. She could be sick or having issues your not aware of yet. Usually the alpha cats will harrass the weak or sick. Out in the wild these animals would be killed by the alpha. Just something to think about. Also, I was wondering what if any kind of treatments are you giving your FeLV+ cat? - Original Message From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sen
Re: We are having issues
I'm new here but I think I might be able to help. I was having a similiar issue with my kids. Waco, 9 yr old siamese who we are pretty sure is FeLV+ started getting real aggressive with 2 of my other weaker, sick cats. Yota, 8 yr old siamese, FeLV+ and Jake, 14 yr old orange tabby with an injured paw. I've been doing a lot of research into holistic treatments of FeLV because I had 2 vets tell me there is nothing that can be done for Yota (lympathic leukemia). I was at Good Earth (the natural/herb store) and was talking with a very nice sales lady and I happened to mention Waco's aggressive behavior. She suggested using a flower essense called "Vine Essence". According to the book we were looking at it helps with "domination" issues. It helps cats who feel the need to pick on weaker, sick or smaller cats. She suggested putting it in their water or diliuting it and rubbing it on their ears when getting some luvs from you. She also told me that it would not affect the other cats if I put it in their water. The essenses only affect the one with "issues". I also found an article that might help you if this is something your considering : http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2002_June/ai_86387597 . All I know is that I used it and it worked. Now when Waco starts playing "I AM ALPHA CAT" I either rub some on his ears or put a couple of drops in his liquid vitamins and all that goes in a dropper straight down the hatch! And I hate to say this but you might have Penelope checked out. She could be sick or having issues your not aware of yet. Usually the alpha cats will harrass the weak or sick. Out in the wild these animals would be killed by the alpha. Just something to think about. Also, I was wondering what if any kind of treatments are you giving your FeLV+ cat? - Original Message From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 7:56:13 PM Subject: We are having issues Ok, guys. I hope someone can figure this situation out, because I'm at my wit's end. Two of my girls are NOT getting along, and I don't know what to do. Penelope (FeLV negative, 2 years old, very standoffish personality, not a "friendly" type cat, doesn't want to be held, only wants attention when SHE wants it, a loner, etc) and Grizzabella (FeLV positive, 7 years old, very friendly, never met a stranger, not so much a lap cat, but doesn't mind being petted and isn't afraid of strangers at all) are constantly at each other. :( They never really "liked" each other, but the last few months it has gotten progressively worse. To the point that Penelope is afraid to come out of the bedroom. She was pooping/peeing under the bed. And I know it was just because she was afraid of Grizzabella and wouldn't come out of the bedroom. We finally had to put a litterbox in there for her, and food/water. What I have noticed is they seem to attack each other, depending on their mood, but one always jumps the other. They can't even pass in the hall without fighting, and I don't know what to do. There doesn't seem to be any precursor/cuase. All it seems to take is one of them seeing the other and they're off. I'm really worried Bella is going to end up scratching Penny and infecting her. Right now when they start I just put Bella in the guestroom for a few hours so Penelope can come out of the bedroom, and then when we leave of the morning I let Bella out and Penelope spends the day in the bedroom. Any of you guys had any success with behavior modification? I welcome any thoughts/ideas on what has worked for you guys in the past. Poppy, the third one in the house proper, gets along with both of them, for the most part. I've seen Poppy jump Penny a time or two, but certainly nothing like the other two. :( Penny and Poppy do well together most of the time (they both sleep in my bed at night). Any ideas? See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
