Re: Immunity to FeLV?

2007-07-01 Thread glenda Goodman
Hi folks, 
I'm new to this site and do need to get some
information on feline leukemia. This is in regard to a
16-week old kitten that apparently became infected
through her mother. My kitten has tested FeLV+ and
another sibling has as well, also the mother. My vet
told me the other day she believes in testing every
60- days in hopes the kitten might be able to
eventually fight the virus off and test negative. Does
anyone have any information for me on this subject? I
am in the western section of Nebraska...Thank you,
Glenda Larsen
--- laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This was a long time ago so maybe the disease wasn't
 as strong then, who knows. Stripes died in 1989 and
 Squeaky in 1996
 My vet was so laid back about it ~ I think that
 helped. Stripes on and off illness was frustrating
 but you'd never have know Squeak had anything. The
 vet did say Squeaky's must have been in his blood
 marrow and called him a carrier.
 L
   - Original Message - 
   From: Susan Dubose 
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
   Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:16 PM
   Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV?
 
 
   Wow, that's impressive!
   Long, happy lives, it sounds like.
 
   You must have / are doing something right.
 
   Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
   www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
   www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
   www.shadowcats.net
 As Cleopatra
 lay in state,
  Faithful Bast
 at her side did wait,
  Purring
 welcomes of soft applause,
  Ever guarding
 with sharpened claws.
   
 Trajan Tennent
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: laurieskatz 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:22 PM
 Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV?
 
 
 I adopted 2 boys, age 8 and 9, who had lived
 together since the younger one had been adopted as a
 kitten.  Stripes kept getting sick on and off so we
 had them tested (my vet had been vaccinating them
 each year and Squeaky would be sick for 3 days after
 his vaccination). They both tested positive. Stripes
 lived to 16 years old and Squeaky to 22. Squeaky
 didn't have a sick day in his life until his last 3
 weeks (oral cancer). Stripes continued to be sick on
 and off but was mostly healthy.
 
 and now we have Isabella
 Laurie
 



   

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Re: FELV kittens

2007-07-13 Thread glenda Goodman
Heather, I read your email...never tried to answer an
email on this site, so hope it works...Anyway, I feel
very sorry for you and the kitties. I am new to this
site too. After I found out I had a FeLV+ kitten about
a month ago, I discovered this site and have been
reading everything possible trying to understand these
diseases and find hope for the kitten I have.I have a
little girl, Bengal mix, polydactyl...so intelligent,
so beautiful and so healthy, but FeLV+...
 My vet told me there is a chance when the FeLV comes
through the queen there is a chance the kittens could
beat the disease with good diet and environments, no
stress and could someday test negative. If there is
anyone out there that can give people in our situation
some hope our kittens can beat this disease please
share what you know that we do not...Thank you.
Meanwhile Heather, good-luck to you with finding
someone wonderful enough to help you with those
kitties...Glenda Larsen in Nebraska
--- Heather Wienker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello-
 
 I am new to this group, having  trapped an injured
 Mom kitty at my new job,
 who turned out to be FELV  FIV positive and a
 nursing Mom.  This was in
 April, I had 3 injured cats in my first two weeks of
 changing jobs, I work
 with ferals and it's been one of those years...it's
 especially sad as I'm
 told someone trapped this Mom last year, she was not
 injured at the time,
 they got a kitten from her that was negative (so she
 may have been as well),
 and she went back out unspayed even though they
 (incorrectly) thought she
 was declawed.   This whole thing could have been
 avoided, and Mom is a very
 sad kitty who has obviously been hurt by this world.
  She has an eye and ear
 injury and is very meek and depressed.
 
 Of her kittens, two initiallly tested + for both
 FELV  FIV, two only + for
 FIVsadly, they have now retested + for leukemia.
  Three cleared the FIV,
 the fourth may have as well but the person who has
 him has not retested yet
 (I have no control over this unless I take the
 kitten from her permanently
 and have not been able to find a foster, I have no
 room whatsoever myself,
 it's been a somewhat unfriendly situation of impasse
 in dealing with the
 ladies at work as they've wanted me to place them
 asap and me only having a
 sanctuary option available a little further down the
 road).  The kittens are
 approx. 4 months old and very social.
 
 We haven't been able to find homes or foster homes
 and the ladies who
 currently have them had given me until June 30 to
 find homes or fosters or
 they would have them euthanized.  They haven't done
 so yet but one is taking
 hers to a different (very large, over 700 cats)
 sanctuary this Sunday, which
 I am troubled by as this kitten is extremely social
 and has lived indoors
 since 5 weeks of age, though of course I appreciate
 the help of a reputable
 sanctuary.
 
 I don't have much time on the one kitten, but will
 continue to search for
 homes for the other 3; two of them have been
 together all this time and are
 very bonded, those are the two who initially were
 only FIV+ but retested
 positive for leukemia.  I know this is confusing,
 but basically, 4 FELV+
 kittens need homes, two need a home together.   All
 have been tested twice
 but the 4th whom I do not have in my
 posession...it's been a difficult
 situation without going into it further on dynamics.
   I am heavily involved
 with multiple colonies and have exhausted all of my
 rescue
 friends/resources as far as fosters or homes go for
 the many kitties I am
 trying to help, including these guys who are
 difficult to place as FELV+.
 
 If anyone knows persons who might be interested in
 adopting one or two FELV+
 kittens from Tampa, Florida, please pass this along.
 
 Thank you all for loving FELV+ Kitties!
 -- 
 Heather
 



   
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Re: FELV kittens

2007-07-14 Thread glenda Goodman
HIDEYO, MY BIGGEST QUESTION IS HOW COMMON IS IT FOR
THESE KITTENS BORN TO A FeLV+ QUEEN TO THROW OFF THE
VIRUS?  THERE WERE SIX KITTENS FROM THIS LITTER AND
ALL WERE ADOPTED BY LOVING PEOPLE WHO ARE WAITING AND
HOLDING ON TO THEIR KITTIES, HOPING THAT THEY WILL BE
ABLE TO FIGHT THIS DISEASE OFF. THEY WERE ADOPTED OUT
OF A RESCUE ORGANIZATION IN MONTANA THAT HAS SINCE
CHANGED IT'S POLICY...WHERE IT HAS NOW DECIDED TO TEST
ALL MOMMY CATS WITH LITTERS AS THE BABIES ARE TOO
YOUNG TO TEST SOMETIMES BEFORE BEING ADOPTED OUT...AT
LEAST IF THE MOMMY TESTS POSITIVE THE PEOPLE CAN BE
TOLD AND IF WILLING TO TAKE ON A POSITIVE KITTEN CAN
TEST AGAIN LATER. IT IS A TRICKY SITUATION NO MATTER
HOW YOU LOOK AT IT AS A MOMMY CAT COULD TEST A FALSE
POSITIVE...AND THIS COULD CONDEMN A WHOLE LITTER OF
KITTENS...THANKS TO YOU OR ANYONE OUT THERE
EXPERIENCED IN WHAT I AM GOING THROUGH HERE...GLENDA
IN NEBRASKA
--- HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Statistically  - about 2/3 of kitties who are
 exponsed to the virus end up throw off the virus -
 and, I believe that chances are better if a kitty is
 older when they are actually exposed to the virus.
 
 There is no way for us to know how reliable this
 statisic informaiton is -- but we know that it does
 happen..
 
 Though your kitty may not throw off the virus, it
 does not mean the immediate death sentense... There
 are many people on the list whose felk kitties live
 for a long time healthfully -- so , please don't be
 in despair.. 
   - Original Message - 
   From: glenda
 Goodmanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   To:

felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
   Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:41 PM
   Subject: Re: FELV kittens
 
 
   Heather, I read your email...never tried to answer
 an
   email on this site, so hope it works...Anyway, I
 feel
   very sorry for you and the kitties. I am new to
 this
   site too. After I found out I had a FeLV+ kitten
 about
   a month ago, I discovered this site and have been
   reading everything possible trying to understand
 these
   diseases and find hope for the kitten I have.I
 have a
   little girl, Bengal mix, polydactyl...so
 intelligent,
   so beautiful and so healthy, but FeLV+...
My vet told me there is a chance when the FeLV
 comes
   through the queen there is a chance the kittens
 could
   beat the disease with good diet and environments,
 no
   stress and could someday test negative. If there
 is
   anyone out there that can give people in our
 situation
   some hope our kittens can beat this disease please
   share what you know that we do not...Thank you.
   Meanwhile Heather, good-luck to you with finding
   someone wonderful enough to help you with those
   kitties...Glenda Larsen in Nebraska
   --- Heather Wienker
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
Hello-

I am new to this group, having  trapped an
 injured
Mom kitty at my new job,
who turned out to be FELV  FIV positive and a
nursing Mom.  This was in
April, I had 3 injured cats in my first two
 weeks of
changing jobs, I work
with ferals and it's been one of those
 years...it's
especially sad as I'm
told someone trapped this Mom last year, she was
 not
injured at the time,
they got a kitten from her that was negative (so
 she
may have been as well),
and she went back out unspayed even though they
(incorrectly) thought she
was declawed.   This whole thing could have been
avoided, and Mom is a very
sad kitty who has obviously been hurt by this
 world.
 She has an eye and ear
injury and is very meek and depressed.

Of her kittens, two initiallly tested + for both
FELV  FIV, two only + for
FIVsadly, they have now retested + for
 leukemia.
 Three cleared the FIV,
the fourth may have as well but the person who
 has
him has not retested yet
(I have no control over this unless I take the
kitten from her permanently
and have not been able to find a foster, I have
 no
room whatsoever myself,
it's been a somewhat unfriendly situation of
 impasse
in dealing with the
ladies at work as they've wanted me to place
 them
asap and me only having a
sanctuary option available a little further down
 the
road).  The kittens are
approx. 4 months old and very social.

We haven't been able to find homes or foster
 homes
and the ladies who
currently have them had given me until June 30
 to
find homes or fosters or
they would have them euthanized.  They haven't
 done
so yet but one is taking
hers to a different (very large, over 700 cats)
sanctuary this Sunday, which
I am troubled by as this kitten is extremely
 social
and has lived indoors
since 5 weeks of age, though of course I
 appreciate
the help of a reputable
sanctuary.

I don't have much time on the one kitten, but
 will
continue to search for
homes for the 

RE: FELV kittens

2007-07-14 Thread glenda Goodman
KERRY, HI! WELL IT LOOKS LIKE MY EMAILS ARE GETTING
THROUGH. THANK YOU FOR GETTING BACK TO US PEOPLE WITH
THE FeLV+ KITTENS. I AM GRATEFUL THAT MY VET HAD GIVEN
ME SOME HOPE, ALTHOUGH THE OTHER DAY I HAD MY KITTEN
RE-TESTED AND IT WAS AGAIN POSITIIIVE, BUT I HAD ONLY
WAITED ABOUT 3-WEEKS. MY VET WAS LESS OPTIMISTIC THIS
TIME. I THINK SHE DID NOT WANT ME TO FEEL TOO HOPEFUL.
THE VET I USED BEFORE HAD OFFERED TO PUT MY KITTEN
DOWN THE MINUTE THE TEST CAME BACK POS. HE WAS TRYING
TO RELIEVE ME OF MY PAIN, BUT I RAN OUT OF THE CLINIC
WITH MY KITTY AND FOUND A MORE CAT-FRIENDLY VET...I
BELIEVE AND HOPE SOMEONE BETTER INFORMED..
WELL, THE FACT ONE OF YOUR KITTENS EVENTUALLY TESTED
NEG. IS A BRIGHT SPOT. WAS THIS FROM A LITTER FROM
WHERE THE OTHERS NEVER THREW THE VIRUS OR WAS THIS A
COMPLETELY SEPERATE CAT? HOW OLD WERE THE KITTENS YOU
HAD BEFORE THEY DEVELOPED SYMPTONS AND PASSED AWAY?  I
KNOW THINKING ABOUT ALL THIS IS HARD...WE ARE JUST ALL
TRYING TO LEARN ALL WE CAN ABOUT THIS DISEASE AND HOW
BEST TO DEAL WITH IT. KERRY, THANK YOU SO MUCH! 
GLENDA IN NEBRASKA  
--- MacKenzie, Kerry N.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Glenda and Heather
 I haven't read your previous posts (and I'm at work,
 so have to be
 quick) but just wanted to say I had 5 FeLV positive
 kittens, and one
 slightly older cat who was negative but who lived
 with them (they came
 as a colony so she had already been exposed). I gave
 them 13 supplements
 daily and tried to keep their environment
 stress-free (they lived in my
 2nd bedroom). Sadly 4 of the kittens succumbed, but
 one threw off the
 virus and is now negative. The older cat has
 remained negative. So, yes,
 there is hope. But even tho the others didn't make
 it, I know I gave
 them quality of life, and love, for the brief time
 they had. As you are
 doing for your sweet furballs.  Your vet sounds a
 real goodie Glenda
 (many unfortunately are not so enlightened). Welcome
 to the list, and I
 wish you both all the best for you and your kitts.
 Kerry M.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of glenda Goodman
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:42 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: FELV kittens
 
 
 Heather, I read your email...never tried to answer
 an
 email on this site, so hope it works...Anyway, I
 feel
 very sorry for you and the kitties. I am new to this
 site too. After I found out I had a FeLV+ kitten
 about
 a month ago, I discovered this site and have been
 reading everything possible trying to understand
 these
 diseases and find hope for the kitten I have.I have
 a
 little girl, Bengal mix, polydactyl...so
 intelligent,
 so beautiful and so healthy, but FeLV+...
  My vet told me there is a chance when the FeLV
 comes
 through the queen there is a chance the kittens
 could
 beat the disease with good diet and environments, no
 stress and could someday test negative. If there is
 anyone out there that can give people in our
 situation
 some hope our kittens can beat this disease please
 share what you know that we do not...Thank you.
 Meanwhile Heather, good-luck to you with finding
 someone wonderful enough to help you with those
 kitties...Glenda Larsen in Nebraska
 --- Heather Wienker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hello-
  
  I am new to this group, having  trapped an injured
  Mom kitty at my new job,
  who turned out to be FELV  FIV positive and a
  nursing Mom.  This was in
  April, I had 3 injured cats in my first two weeks
 of
  changing jobs, I work
  with ferals and it's been one of those
 years...it's
  especially sad as I'm
  told someone trapped this Mom last year, she was
 not
  injured at the time,
  they got a kitten from her that was negative (so
 she
  may have been as well),
  and she went back out unspayed even though they
  (incorrectly) thought she
  was declawed.   This whole thing could have been
  avoided, and Mom is a very
  sad kitty who has obviously been hurt by this
 world.
   She has an eye and ear
  injury and is very meek and depressed.
  
  Of her kittens, two initiallly tested + for both
  FELV  FIV, two only + for
  FIVsadly, they have now retested + for
 leukemia.
   Three cleared the FIV,
  the fourth may have as well but the person who has
  him has not retested yet
  (I have no control over this unless I take the
  kitten from her permanently
  and have not been able to find a foster, I have no
  room whatsoever myself,
  it's been a somewhat unfriendly situation of
 impasse
  in dealing with the
  ladies at work as they've wanted me to place them
  asap and me only having a
  sanctuary option available a little further down
 the
  road).  The kittens are
  approx. 4 months old and very social.
  
  We haven't been able to find homes or foster homes
  and the ladies who
  currently have them had given me until June 30 to
  find homes or fosters or
  they would have them euthanized.  They haven't
 done
  so yet but one is taking
  hers to a different (very large, over

Re: Monkee is gone

2007-07-16 Thread glenda Goodman
Caroline,
I have been reading your emails for a few weeks now
and have gotten to know your heart and your wonderful
Monkee. I am so very sorry you are hurting so badly
and are missing your beloved Monkee. The tears are
just running out of my eyes for you. I am sure I am
not the only one out here feeling this way. People
like you give me respect for mankind. What you are
going through now is everything that is beautiful in
people. To have given your whole self over to some
hapless little cat and to be the very best friend he
ever had is just so sweet. A lady like you should
never be lonely...I do not think anyone out here would
not want to be your friend...Right now there is
another little friendless kitty feeling down, that I
know, you are destined to meet. Keep the love flowing
and make another spot in this very rough world
beautiful for another little furry friend. Your new
human friend,  Glenda Larsen
--- HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Caroline, I am so deeply sorry about Monkee's
 crossing.  We all can emphasize your pain.  You are
 very luck to have met Monkee and Monkee is so lucky
 to have met you -- nothing can take away the bond
 between you and Monkee--it will live forever.
 
 Hideyo
   - Original Message - 
   From: Caroline
 Kaufmannmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   To:

felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
   Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:47 AM
   Subject: Monkee is gone
 
 
   My beloved cat Monkee passed last night in my arms
 while I held him with my Mom standing next to my
 side.  At about 2:30 a.m.  
 
   We were going to take him to Dr. Maier's for
 euthanasia this morning at 8:00 a.m.  I thought he
 could make it until then and that he wouldn't want
 to go to a strange emergency vet clinic he'd never
 been to before for his passing.  I didn't know he
 was that bad.  I feel so bad.  It was so horrible. 
 He was having some trouble breathing, but I was
 usually able to calm him down by holding him and
 giving him flower essences.  He had begun to have
 trouble walking and he would cry at me really loudly
 when he wasn't able to do something he wanted to do
 because his brain was not getting enough oxygen
 (like walk around).  I didn't want him to be in pain
 or suffer and I feel like I failed him.  
 
   He did go really quick, but I was hysterical as it
 was happening.  We were on my bed and I was holding
 him.  He took a last gasp of air and then he
 stopped.  When his body when limp, I felt like I
 might die too.  I think the only thing that helped
 me and my mom was that she has rescue remedy with
 her and we both took it right away.  It sounds odd
 to say that, but immediately after it happened, I
 felt a sense of peace-- for him.  I think the rescue
 remedy helped my breathing at that time.  I just
 held him afterwards and talked to him  and pet him
 and kissed him for about two hours.  I told him how
 wonderful he was and that I would never be the same
 without him.  I walked around the house, sat with
 him on the porch he loved so much and took him
 outside for his last time to hold him while sitting
 on the front steps.  
 
   I have never had an animal die in my arms like
 that and to have it be my best friend-- the best
 companion I've ever had...my heart just feels like
 it's wrenching in half.  I feel guilty and
 traumatized.  I am having a hard time erasing the
 memories of his passing.  When I close my eyes, I
 see his face as he took his last breath.  I don't
 how to recover from that.
   I've never been lonely since I had Monkee and now
 that he's gone, that loneliness is crashing in.  
 
   I hope all of you are able to continue to care for
 your cats and give them the peace and love that they
 so desperately need.  I admire those of you who take
 care of multiple FelV cats and have lost some in the
 past and continue to keep doing the work that you
 do.  My thoughts and my prayers are now with all of
 you and your babies.  I felt like I didn't have the
 mental energy to devote many of my prayers in the
 past few weeks to any cat other than Monkee, but I
 will be praying for you now.
 
   I also wanted to remind everyone that you never
 really know the power of what love can do for a cat
 like Monkee, until you experience it.  When I found
 him, he was a crazy, dirty, little ragamuffin eating
 doves, baby rabbits, and whatever else he could
 catch in the courtyard of my law school apartment
 complex in Northern Ky 4 years ago.  And four years
 and 1 month ago, I couldn't take his living it up in
 the killing fields- as I called it- anymore.  It
 took so long to get him to be a somewhat normal cat.
  Something bad must have happened to him because he
 was already neutered when I found him, so he had to
 have belong to someone.  He was deathly afraid of
 men and it took until probably about this past year
 for that fear to almost subside.  I don't think
 anyone else in my life (other than myself) believed
 that he'd ever be 

Re: Monkee is gone ~ so is Keisha

2007-07-16 Thread glenda Goodman
Laurie, I am very sorry your precious Keisha has
passed away. I can feel your pain knowing when it
becomes my turn to lose a beloved kitty family member,
I will be a complete basket case.I will be trying to
put my grief into words too...
 The good news is the people on this site are so full
of love and have made such a wonderful difference in
so many cat's lives. Being a kitty in this world is
not easy when you think about the horrible lives most
kitties live...It is an incredibly lucky kitty that is
blessed by people like the people on this site. I
guess all any of us can do is just be as loving and
kind to all living creatures as we are blessed to
touch. This does not mean just kitties, but everything
innocent and dear... Glenda Larsen
--- laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Carol, I am so sorry for your loss and pain. Prayers
 for safe travels for Monkee's soul. Monkee is free
 now but nothing can compensate for the hole in your
 heart and life. I know. My beloved Keisha died
 Saturday completely unexpectedly. She went into
 respiratory distress here at home. I rushed her to
 the ER clinic. They put her in the oxygen tank and
 she appeared comfortable ~ she was not on her side
 and was no longer open mouth breathing. They planned
 to keep her in the tank for 2 hours and then send
 her home. When she went into respiratory distress
 again, they tried to save her ~ intubated her and
 gave her CPR but could not. After she died, I held
 her for 2 hours and stroked her fur.I am in shock
 and it doesn't seem real. I didn't want to leave
 her. We are doing a necropsy. She was not feline
 leukemia positive.
 May your Higher Power hold you as mine is holding
 me.
 Laurie
   - Original Message - 
   From: Caroline Kaufmann 
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
   Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:47 AM
   Subject: Monkee is gone
 
 
   My beloved cat Monkee passed last night in my arms
 while I held him with my Mom standing next to my
 side.  At about 2:30 a.m.  
 
   We were going to take him to Dr. Maier's for
 euthanasia this morning at 8:00 a.m.  I thought he
 could make it until then and that he wouldn't want
 to go to a strange emergency vet clinic he'd never
 been to before for his passing.  I didn't know he
 was that bad.  I feel so bad.  It was so horrible. 
 He was having some trouble breathing, but I was
 usually able to calm him down by holding him and
 giving him flower essences.  He had begun to have
 trouble walking and he would cry at me really loudly
 when he wasn't able to do something he wanted to do
 because his brain was not getting enough oxygen
 (like walk around).  I didn't want him to be in pain
 or suffer and I feel like I failed him.  
 
   He did go really quick, but I was hysterical as it
 was happening.  We were on my bed and I was holding
 him.  He took a last gasp of air and then he
 stopped.  When his body when limp, I felt like I
 might die too.  I think the only thing that helped
 me and my mom was that she has rescue remedy with
 her and we both took it right away.  It sounds odd
 to say that, but immediately after it happened, I
 felt a sense of peace-- for him.  I think the rescue
 remedy helped my breathing at that time.  I just
 held him afterwards and talked to him  and pet him
 and kissed him for about two hours.  I told him how
 wonderful he was and that I would never be the same
 without him.  I walked around the house, sat with
 him on the porch he loved so much and took him
 outside for his last time to hold him while sitting
 on the front steps.  
 
   I have never had an animal die in my arms like
 that and to have it be my best friend-- the best
 companion I've ever had...my heart just feels like
 it's wrenching in half.  I feel guilty and
 traumatized.  I am having a hard time erasing the
 memories of his passing.  When I close my eyes, I
 see his face as he took his last breath.  I don't
 how to recover from that.
   I've never been lonely since I had Monkee and now
 that he's gone, that loneliness is crashing in.  
 
   I hope all of you are able to continue to care for
 your cats and give them the peace and love that they
 so desperately need.  I admire those of you who take
 care of multiple FelV cats and have lost some in the
 past and continue to keep doing the work that you
 do.  My thoughts and my prayers are now with all of
 you and your babies.  I felt like I didn't have the
 mental energy to devote many of my prayers in the
 past few weeks to any cat other than Monkee, but I
 will be praying for you now.
 
   I also wanted to remind everyone that you never
 really know the power of what love can do for a cat
 like Monkee, until you experience it.  When I found
 him, he was a crazy, dirty, little ragamuffin eating
 doves, baby rabbits, and whatever else he could
 catch in the courtyard of my law school apartment
 complex in Northern Ky 4 years ago.  And four years
 and 1 month ago, I couldn't take his living it up in
 the killing fields- as I 

Re: I need information please (catatonya)

2007-07-17 Thread glenda Goodman
Susan, This site is an eye-opener for me...Besides
that, some of you people have to be angels...I cannot
even comprehend the nightmare some of these kitties
have experienced. What a lovely group of people have
gathered here, hoping to help these kitties ...Bless
every one of you guys! I just felt like saying
that...Glenda
--- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It can happen.
 
 (Catching felv. from a kitten @ 4 yrs. old).
 
 Ursula came from a hoarder / breeder, along w/
 Serenity  Lola.
 
 Lola  Serenity came to me from the pound after
 being seized by AC, they were both a hot pos.
 
 Ursula came form the same house, but tested neg /
 neg.
 
 Ursula was a breeder, and she lived in a cage most
 of her life, I can tell by the way she walks.
 
 She is about 5 yrears old or so.
 
 Anyway, I isolated her in a bathroom since in my
 eyes, she was a limbo cat.
 
 In otherwords, she had an exposure but tested neg.
 upon me getting her.
 
 I took her in for her spay 2 months later and she
 tested a soft pos. for leuk.
 
 Due to the circumstances, I did not see any reason
 to do anymore elaborate tests.
 
 She came from a pos. house, where 65 other cats w/
 the exception of a few kittens tested pos.
 
 If you know the history of the situation of the cat
  it's former living conditions, saying she is pos.
 after one test is a reasonable call.
 
 She has so far not show any symptoms, and it's been
 almost a year.
 
 Lola seems ok so far, she does sleep a lot.
 
 Lillian came from a hoarder w/ 185 cats, she tested
 pos. for leuk., while others in the house tested
 neg. but others also tested pos.
 
 I have 12 more that are in limbo, and we will
 begin retesting them in about 2 to 3 weeks.
 
 We are going w/ a 4 month incubation period.
 
 
 
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RE: OT: Severely OT, dog fights and NFL player for Kat

2007-07-18 Thread glenda Goodman
Of course, I will sign too. Thanks, Glenda
--- MacKenzie, Kerry N.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Kat--dumb Q time. 
 I'm signing the petition.
 Am I supposed to fill in the Arthur Blank CEO
 section? Why didn't PETA
 give his name--I assume it's a him. I don't want
 to send without
 making sure it goes to the right person.
 Thanks--Kerry
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Kat
 Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:17 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: OT: Severely OT, dog fights and NFL
 player
 
 
 Melissa, 
 
 There is something you can do - See the PETA Take
 Action page
 Tell the Atlanta Falcons to Punt Animal Abusers off
 the Team!
 http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/afalcons_vick
 
 It IS incomprehensible on so many different levels,
 and should not be
 allowed to be white washed or brushed under the
 carpet.  The fact that
 the
 officially released statement reads (in part) We
 are disappointed that
 one of our players -- and therefore the Falcons --
 is being presented to
 the public in a negative way, and we apologize to
 our fans and the
 community for that.  Note - they are NOT
 apologizing for the actions or
 the dogfights, just that it is being presented in a
 negative way!!!
 
 I don't ususally wish bad things for anyone, but in
 this case I do hope
 he
 gets the maximum fine AND imprisonment - and then
 some!  
 
 Kat (Mew Jersey)
 
 On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, Melissa Lind wrote:
 
  Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:57:28 -0500
  From: Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: OT: Severely OT, dog fights and NFL
 player
  
  I know this is very OT, but I couldn't stop crying
 on the way to work
 this
  morning after hearing this on NPR. I'm very
 hormonal right now, but I
 think
  that this would make anyone livid. What is wrong
 with these people?
 What
  happened to them? I don't understand these actions
 which there aren't
 even
  strong enough words for.
  
   
  
  The story involved the NFL player Mick Vick and
 his involvement with
 dog
  fights. They found something like 70 dogs on his
 property used for
 fighting.
  There are many other atrocities that I can't even
 mention because I'll
 start
  crying again. But, here's the story if you want to
 listen:
 

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12056318
  
   
  
  It makes me feel so helpless and angry and
 appalled and afraid.
  
   
  
  Melissa
  
   
  
  P.S. I'm so sorry this is OT (not even about
 cats), but I needed to
 let it
  out, and I didn't have anyone else to turn to but
 you guys. No one
 here at
  work would understand. 
  
 
  
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Re: OT: Severely OT, dog fights and NFL player

2007-07-18 Thread glenda Goodman
MELISSA,
 THANK YOU FOR CALLING THIS TO MY ATTENTION. I JUST
NOW HAD TIME TO LISTEN TO THIS %^#*(#^*_MR. VICK
OMG, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE? THAT IS
EXACTLY WHAT I AM THINKING... 
GOSH, 6-years maximum is NOT ENOUGH! IM ALL FOR
PUTTING A LITTLE ENERGY INTO MAKING THESE GUYS
MISERABLE. I DO HAVE TO WONDER WHAT IS GOING ON WITH
THE DOGS ? I SUPPOSE MANY OF THEM WILL BE KILLED,
BECAUSE AFTER WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN THROUGH THEY WILL BE
TOO UNSTABLE TO ADOPT OUT AS FAMILY PETS... HOW
ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE. 
 THIS VICK PERSON NEEDS THE RUG PULLED OUT FROM UNDER
HIM. THE GUY IS JUST WAY TOO COCKY.  I HOPE OUR WHOLE
CAT LOVING GROUP, DOES TAKE THE TIME TO LISTEN TO THIS
CLIP INVOLVING M. VICK AND HIS BUDDIES. A few emails
and even phone calls to put pressure on knocking this
guy off his perch is a great idea...I KNOW OUR CATS
WOULD BE PROUD OF US...GLENDA  
--- Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I know this is very OT, but I couldn't stop crying
 on the way to work this
 morning after hearing this on NPR. I'm very hormonal
 right now, but I think
 that this would make anyone livid. What is wrong
 with these people? What
 happened to them? I don't understand these actions
 which there aren't even
 strong enough words for.
 
  
 
 The story involved the NFL player Mick Vick and his
 involvement with dog
 fights. They found something like 70 dogs on his
 property used for fighting.
 There are many other atrocities that I can't even
 mention because I'll start
 crying again. But, here's the story if you want to
 listen:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12056318
 
  
 
 It makes me feel so helpless and angry and appalled
 and afraid.
 
  
 
 Melissa
 
  
 
 P.S. I'm so sorry this is OT (not even about cats),
 but I needed to let it
 out, and I didn't have anyone else to turn to but
 you guys. No one here at
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RE: OT: Severely OT, dog fights and NFL player

2007-07-19 Thread glenda Goodman
Hi guys, 
I could not help but add my two cents here on the
subject of people who are convinced, or announce
openly that they do not like cats: 
I noticed early on, that the people who proudly state
that they do not like cats,always speak from the
aspect of misinformation on every level. THESE ARE
PEOPLE THAT HAVE NEVER KNOW A CAT! it just occurred to
me too, that these might be people who grew up
torturing every cat they might have run across as a
child, so their experience with any cat might have
been negative...like imagine ,say farm cats kept only
as mousers, being treated badly by a family...These
cats might run and hide every time a human
appeared...I just thought of that...
Anyway, somewhere along the line, these individuals
have probably been brainwashed into believing cats are
only nice to you when they want something, while, if
in the same sentence, they might proudly state, BUT,
I DO LIKE DOGS, hoping to redeem themselves as
sensitive individuals somehow, as well as pillars of
character...They maybe watched too many Lassie films
and believe  dogs will stand by you until the end, no
matter what ?Who knows, it is usually a
combination...However, the one constant is : THESE
PEOPLE NEVER KNEW A CAT. These are simply very
uneducated/inexperienced types in animal contact
exposure situations...A lot of the time these types
are following a party line laid out by their family
for a generation or more...  It is like they are
trying to make some kind of statement attesting to
their own character, by conveying what might seem
admirable to them...aligning their own personality,
say with what they believe are the attibutes of  a dog
personality? It is most often an image thing... Also,
these people are not animal lovers at all, no matter
how they try to come across about LOVING dogs... 
their exposure to animals and experience with animals
on a personal level is usually null.They know
absolutely nothing about animals...I , when confronted
by this sort of person only say to them , You just
have never known a cat I am always right 100% of the
time. Oh yeah, and let's not forget those men striving
to project a macho image that even if somewhere along
the line they did know a cat and even appreciated that
cat would never admit it and wants the world to think
HE IS ABOVE THAT, FRILLY STUFF, AND WANTS TO EQUATE
HIMSELF WITH A DOG...LIKE CATS ARE A TOO FEMALE THING.
I'm sorry if I am rambling here , but I'm just typing
as I am thinking about what I have observed in people
on this subject. I SERIOUSLY DO NOT WANT TO SOUND
PREJUDICE EITHER, AS I'M TRYING TO SLAM PREJUDICE HERE
IN MY RANTING!
The bottom line is, when I do come across people who
tell me they do not like cats, I immediately feel
sorry for them ,because they have simply missed out on
such a love and a joy and seriously, there is no
little critter more entertaining than a cat who has
lots of personality...Oh yes , and cats are loyal,
loving, cuddly, a lot easier to deal with than a
dog...like if one must leave a cat alone for a day...
There is all kinds of prejudice in this world and it
is a very terrible thing. Every single incident of
prejudice could be completely alleviated
if the parties involved would only take the time to
get to know what it is they feel they are not familiar
with or uncomfortable with...If only people were more
kind and thoughtful and could appreciate everything in
this world that is beautiful...there would never even
be wars...
I think a lot of us love our cats so much because we
can retreat in to that safe little beautiful world and
spend our time and energy devoting ourselves to
something that is sweet and beautiful what is a
cat...By the way, I love dogs too, probably too
much...Which reminds me: DO SOMETHING NICE TODAY FOR A
DOG! Later, Glenda
--- Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Susan,
 
  
 
 You've said it exactly. I think that dog people like
 the attention and
 companionship. I love dogs as well as cats, but cats
 give us more freedom
 (well, not with the checkbook), plus we're just
 cat-people. Like Caroline
 pointed out, there are many many dog people, but
 most people I meet don't
 like cats at all. Why? I haven't figured that one
 out. Stereotypes?
 Misconceptions? Idiocy? Not really sure.
 
  
 
 The pit bull abuses reminds me of The Dog Whisperer
 on Discovery or TLC or
 whatever. Cesar Millan is so good at showing that
 most dogs can be
 rehabilitated, but in most instances it's the humans
 that need the
 rehabilitation, not the dogs. The plight of pit
 bulls in our country is very
 sad and depressing. They are certainly the most
 misunderstood and mistreated
 of dogs (up there with racing dogs). Plus many
 people mistake other breeds
 for pit bulls, not even understanding what a pit
 bull actually is-they just
 equate them with any tough, muscular dog with a
 stocky stature. 
 
  
 
 Enough ranting-I'm done with dogs for today. It's a
 happy day-our central
 air should be fixed today after being broken for 

RE: OT: Severely OT, dog fights and NFL player

2007-07-19 Thread glenda Goodman
Caroline, You are just such a thoughtful, nice
person...Now , I wonder could it be from how you were
raised?  Anyway, I think it is a healthy subject to
get on, as it is great hearing other people's take on
these things...I know I have absorbed a couple new
lines of thought on this subject, just by reading the
experiences/opinions of others...never really observed
the cat volunteers, the dog volunteers, but I
certainly can see that now...why there are those two
distinct groups out there...
You know, the more we can learn, the more we can
eventually share with others and if we can direct
ourselves in a positive way, we can make the world a
better place. It does seem to me ,especially for you
Caroline, right now, all this interaction and flooding
of ideas and information and positive approaches to
things to help others, dogs at the moment, and even
dogs not born yet is lovely. With what you have
introduced to us,this subject of cat-lovers,
dog-lovers is fantastic/interesting...Thanks.
 There are some people in this world that just give
and give and I can see you are one of
those...Actually, I feel that, the love, the give
factor, in everyone in this group. I'm really happy I
found you guys...
Now, I must tend to my day...I do work and I do have
cats to care for... and a hundred other things...
However,isn't it nice to have a little mutual mission
right now, where we can put some love towards helping
those poor dogs, by making the actions of that Vick
person reflect to society the ugly, evil, abomination
that it really was...? 
Little boys, especially, should never admire someone
who conducts himself in the fashion of Mr. Vick...This
is why, he must experience absolute humiliation in the
public light.We all want that to happen...right? 
As for the  people who say, loudly and proudly, that
they do not like cats...in a way it is all the same,
just another form of disrespect for animals.   It
would be my guess, Mr. Vick started out in life
thinking he hated cats and he simply was never taught
or  learned anything about what it is to feel the
wonder, amazement and love for creatures, other  than
maybe humans, who share our world. 
Vick and his friends are the extreme result of
little boys left unchecked...Certainly, they were all
horrible to cats as children...so by doing what we are
doing here, is helping cats too...something to think
about...   
 Later, Glenda 
--- Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


-

I think I inadvertently started this whole debate
about dog-lovers vs. cat-lovers and I so didn't mean
to do that!  I just meant that, sadly, if you need to
quickly draw attention to an animal plight that people
need to rally behind, a lot of times, it's easier to
do so when the plight involves dogs.  I don't think
that's right, but I have found it to be true.

But, having been the daughter of a vet, no one in my
family got to really have the choice between which
animal we would prefer!  We had to love them
all...cats, dogs, pet mice that I saved from being
fed to a rehabbing snake, a gerbil, more ring-necked
doves than you can imagine, a baby rabbit, tons of
injured song birds, an injured duck, an injured wild
turkey, and even a baby mountain lion that my dad was
rehabbing when he was the Zoo vet that lived at our
house for a while.  The list goes on...  But yes, a
lot of the caring and compassion for animals does come
from exposure and experience.  I feel bad for people
who didn't have the opportunity to learn to take care
of another creatureit's like a compassion chip is
missing or something.

-Caroline  





-

From:  glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject:  RE: OT: Severely OT, dog fights and NFL
player
Date:  Thu, 19 Jul 2007 07:42:28 -0700 (PDT)
Hi guys,
I could not help but add my two cents here on the
subject of people who are convinced, or announce
openly that they do not like cats:
I noticed early on, that the people who proudly state
that they do not like cats,always speak from the
aspect of misinformation on every level. THESE ARE
PEOPLE THAT HAVE NEVER KNOW A CAT! it just occurred
to
me too, that these might be people who grew up
torturing every cat they might have run across as a
child, so their experience with any cat might have
been negative...like imagine ,say farm cats kept only
as mousers, being treated badly by a family...These
cats might run and hide every time a human
appeared...I just thought of that...
Anyway, somewhere along the line, these individuals
have probably been brainwashed into believing cats
are
only nice to you when they want something, while, if
in the same sentence, they might proudly state, BUT,
I DO LIKE DOGS, hoping to redeem themselves as
sensitive individuals somehow, as well as pillars of
character...They maybe watched too many Lassie films
and believe  dogs will stand by you until the end, no
matter what ?Who

Re: Changing dynamics of our site/losing members

2007-07-19 Thread glenda Goodman
Wendy, Thanks...
I , for one, can get a little wound up when it comes
to speaking up for animals and I really do not mean to
get off track. I do not think it hurts us at all to
take a little breather, from time to time, and open up
other subjects, because in a round about way, we can
see the benefit to cats in general...while actively
helping all animals...
This whole Vick thing , being an example...not to
mention a few people here might just blossoming from a
sad/dorment period and re-directing their beautiful
energy. I could be doing that myself? We all need to
stay healthy and happy in order to help more
cats...kind of a little joke, but probably true?   For
being here such a short time, I feel I have learned a
lot about FeLV.
 I so want to thank everyone who got back to me with
the best information they had to give me regarding my
FeLV+ little Gracie.The personal experiences gave me
some hope, the actual web-sites informed and educated
me...Thank you Wendy and everyone for making me feel
welcome. I hope I can be a good support and source of
information to some of you and perhaps some new people
that happen along. I certainly will recognize that
awful feeling of complete dispair when someone just
finds us after being told by their that vet that their
cat tested FeLV+.
The day that happened to me I came home, went to my
computer...It was about 10:00am. Well somewhere in
there I called my best girlfriend and told her...I
remember saying I felt so sad I wish I could get hit
by a truck. Well, I recalled that off-the -wall
comment I had made earlier in the day to my friend. By
10:00pm that night my head hurt so bad I thought to
myself that I feel like I have been hit by a truck! I
cosed up the computer , took a hot shower , ate and
went to bed. I felt tired for two days after that...
That was a killer day... 
 Well, now that I have personally gone through that,
I'm good to go for any who wander on to this site
having gone through what I went through that miserable
day. Meanwhile, I am here to keep picking up
information,tips and seriously just enjoying all the
nice people here. It is not easy finding so many very
nice people in one place...In my life, I have noticed,
when ever I have gotten in the company of
animal-lovers I am my happiest...Thanks guys! Glenda  

--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey guys,
 
 I just wanted to stress that even though our site
 seems to be going through some changes, mainly
 losing members that have been around for a while,
 our site is extremely important.  There will always
 be a need for people to be educated on FeLV.  When
 new members do not come along, I believe keeping our
 site alive with photos, anecdotes, and other
 interesting things like activism against Mr. Vick is
 important.  We will not always be busy helping new
 members, which is a good thing, but keeping our site
 active keeps our camraderie going.  I don't want to
 see that stagnate.  We lost Elizabeth last week.  I
 didn't even know it until she emailed me last night.
  She is such a sweet lady and so encouraging, I hate
 to see her go.  But like others, she's got some
 personal stuff she's dealing with, and she can't
 take the extra time right now to be here, which I
 completely understand.  I'm hoping members like her,
 Nina, MC, and Michelle will return when they are
 able.  They are so
  valuable.  There will always be people who come and
 go, and sometimes we'll even have a few issues come
 up, as we recently did, but we can get through them,
 and maintain our site for the betterment of cat
 health.  I think what we're doing is more important
 than many of us realize, so hang in there if you can
 when times get rough, and if you can't, don't forget
 to come back and visit when you can.  Because of our
 differing personalities, everyone has something to
 offer, and I think that's a beautiful thing.
 
 :)
 Wendy
  
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 committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
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Re: OT: Really good article about Nike and Vick

2007-07-19 Thread glenda Goodman
Tamara,
 WHENEVER, you can speak up for animals, WHEREVER, you
can speak up for animals, IT IS IMPORTANT TO DO SO. It
is a long, slow battle, but we must NEVER MISS AN
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK UP FOR ANIMALS... 
WE CAN ALL MAKE A DIFFERENCE, NO MATTER HOW SMALL, IF
IT AMOUNTS TO JUST NOT BUYING THAT DEAD TURKEY FOR 
THANKGIVING DINNER...
I HOPE YOU CAN APPRECIATE MY POINT AND MY FEELINGS
HERE. I REALLY DO NOT THINK WE COULD HURT THEM, NIKE,
AT ALL , BUT TO USE THEM, AS A PLATFORM, TO SCREAM OUR
LUNGS OUT FOR ANIMAL RIGHTS IS A GREAT
OPPORTUNITY...NOT TO MENTION SLAMMING VICK.
APPARENTLY, YOU HAVE BEEN THINKING ON THOSE SAME LINES
THESE LAST 15-YEARS WHEN IT COMES TO HUMAN RIGHTS?
ACTING ON WHAT YOU HAVE HEARD. GOOD FOR YOU! 
NIKE MUST BE  KIND OF  LIKE, TO PEOPLE, WHAT  IAMS IS
TO ANIMALS? BOTH COMPANIES ,JUST LOOKING AT PROFITS
WITH COMPLETE DISREGARD TO DECENCY, KINDNESS***IAMS
CONTINUES WITH  ANIMAL TESTING, INFLICTING HORRIBLE
ABUSES ON DOGS AND CATS.. SO MANY HAVE GOTTEN IN
THEIR FACE AND EVEN STOPPED BUYING THEIR PRODUCTS TO
NO AVAIL...YET!
 THE TIME IS COMING, HOWEVER, BECAUSE THEIR UGLY
LITTLE SECRET IS OUT...I JUST WANTED TO SPILL THE
BEANS ONCE AGAIN, HERE, LIKE EVERYONE HERE DOES NOT
ALREADY KNOW ABOUT IAMS... BUT, ANYWAY, THE MORE WE
CAN RAISE THESE TYPE OF ISSUES, THE BETTER. WE DO WANT
TO INFORM AS MANY AS POSSIBLE OF THE UGLY LITTLE
SECRET OF VICK'S DOG ABUSE. THIS IS A NEW STORY...A
LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE, MAY HAVE MISSED THE BRIEF
NEWS  ACCOUNT OF THIS STORY AND WE SURE DO NOT WANT
THIS SLIMEBALL TO THINK HE CAN JUST SIT IT OUT AND
THINGS WILL BLOW OVER FOR HIM AND HIS BUDS... : LIKE
THE LAST TIME HE GOTTEN ATTENTION FOR HIS ABUSES OF
DOGS...
WE DO NOT NEED TO LOSE OUR ENTHUSIASM AND MOMENTUM
HERE.  A KINDER WORLD IS WHAT WE ALL NEED TO BE
WORKING TOWARDS...I THINK IT IS SUPER YOU HAVE BEEN
AWARE OF NIKE ALL THESE YEARS...AND A LITTLE THORN IN
THEIR SIDE TOO,  REMINDING THEM...BLESS YOUR HEART!  
 THANK YOU! GLENDA
--- tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Honey, Nike has been using child labor and sweat
 shop like conditions the production of their
 products for decades...Human Rights  fair trade
 groups have been at them since the late
 eightiesI really don't think they're going to
 care about an animal rights issue.  Nike cares about
 Nike's profits...that's it...I've been boycotting
 them for 15 yrs...I don't think they care or even
 feel it, but I wish you all the luck in the world.
   T
 
 Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7038442?MSNHPHCPGT1=10239

   Pretty much says that you aren't going to get much
 out of Nike if you call them on their sponsorship of
 Vick.  The underlying message to me is, let's hit
 Nike where it hurts them...their bottom line.  Stop
 buying their products.  I'm always up for a meaniful
 boycott...who's with me?!

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Re: Keisha necropsy results and Isabella update

2007-07-20 Thread glenda Goodman
Laurie, 
I'm so glad your Isabella is feeling better. I know
this is a huge relief! As for Keisha, I hope you are
able to get some real answers soon.  I'm sure I'm
not the only one who has  tried to google ADENOMATOSIS
and was left even more confused than when you just
introduced this term as the cause of Keisha's death...
Again, I'm so sorry for you and Keisha...Thank you for
helping all of us  learn all we can on how to best
care for our cats...I know you are stressing, worried
about your other five, until you learn if this was a
viral condition.I do imagine your vet is in the dark
as it does seem there is not much out there on this
subject, so do not get too scared until you are
actually able to talk to someone a bit more qualified
in that area...I guess I do not put a lot of stock in
one vet's opinion...and you have a long weekend to
worry...Meanwhile, just build up your kitties' immune
systems...can't go wrong there...
I did notice that the vets I have dealt with here, in
Nebraska, at best, have told me exactly, what I have
found myself, online and of course, this group of
people, have so far, shared and directed me towards
better information than either of my vets.
I did notice there are a lot of listings for different
types of adenomatosis in humans, affecting different
areas of the body...I did not see anywhere, where it
was always fatal or acts like cancer...Those words,
coming from a vet that admits he does not really know
much, are scary words to live with over the
weekend...I know you are worried about your other
kitties, just wanted to comfort you a bit...Glenda  

--- laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Good news first. Isabella is doing great. We are
 starting to decrease the prednisone. She is still on
 tramadal for pain and clavamox. She is a trooper and
 we are pleased with her progress. She isn't crying
 out, we aren't seeing tremors!
 
 Keisha died from adenomatosis. This is very rare,
 vet's know little about it. It acts like cancer and
 is always fatal. The suspected underlying cause is a
 toxin or chronic viral infection. Her lungs were
 infiltrated. If it was viral, it is contagious and
 my other 5 are at risk. I am waiting for a call from
 the specialist. She may not be back until Monday. 
 
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treats and supplement questions...

2007-07-22 Thread glenda Goodman
Since I do have much to learn about treating my FeLv+
kitten I am open to all suggestions and ideas and
advice from you guys who have been dealing with these
issues a long time...
From the start, I have been told Lysine was a good
supplement. I first heard of giving lysine from a
receptionist at my vet's office when I told her I had
a couple new kittens that were sneezing , like about
every 15-minutes, but had no other signs of sickness.
I thought it might just be dust. Well, she said, give
them 250 mg of lysine twice a day. OK, so I went to
Walmart and got a large bottle of 250 tablets of 500
mg lysine. The label says L-Lysine 500 mg. Am I on
track here? Is this what I can give my cats? 
Well, my little guys really are fine, the sneezing was
probably dust, so that is not what I am using the
lysine for. What I feel I should use it for is my
quarantined FeLV+ kitten ,Gracie. I have read many
times, by you guys, on this list, lysine is a good
supplement to give our FeLV+ cats.
I crushed and dissolved a large 500 mg tablet in a few
tablespoons of water and poured this mixture over a
large, crushed sardine and put it in front of
Gracie...She ate the whole thing, fast! She loved it! 
Now, on the subject of Treats:
For a while now, I had been giving my cats sardines
for treats. You can get these packed in spring
water,no salt added, from walmart. They are only .50 a
can. It is a rectangular, flat can...I think it is a
great deal. The entire can of sardines supplies 18
grams of protein, which is good for our FeLv + kitties
too. 
I have always given my cats tuna, packed in water as a
treat, but there is just too much mercury in tuna
these days. I always feel guilty and worried about
giving them tuna. The problem is my cats do have me
trained and they often lead me to the kitchen and just
demand their tuna. I will open a can ,but just give
them a small pinch, as compared to how I used to
indulge them. I'm trying to switch them over to liking
the sardines, because it hardly has any mercury, being
low on the food chain...However, with kittens and
cats, who have NOT been spoiled by tuna, they
automatically just love sardines! Gracie, who is
almost 5-months old now and my two 3-month old kittens
are crazy for sardines! These guys had never beed
exposed to tuna... my four older cats who have
developed this taste for tuna are kind of trying to
hold out and acting disgusted when they see sardines
on their plate instead of tuna...Do not worry I do
feed a good quality dry food, these are just treats,
but they get treated once or twice a day...
I wanted to share all this with you guys and I need to
get some input from you guys about if 500mg of lysine
is what I should give Gracie, My FeLV+ kitty every
day? The sardine trick with her makes it very easy. I
can get the whole tablet down her at once if I need
to, but maybe 250mg, twice a day, is better? 
I, also, would like some feedback on if it is a good
idea, to give all my kitties at least 250mg of lysine
a day, just for their immune systems? 
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Re: treats and supplement questions...

2007-07-22 Thread glenda Goodman
Wendy, Thanks for getting back to me on this. 
I checked the other ingredients: Cellulose(plant
origen), Silica, Vegetable Magnesium Stearate. It
looks like I'm safe...Well, it sure is nice being just
a few clicks away from getting answers to my
questions...
I'll probably get my next bottle at the local health
food store, but I think anything there, will be pretty
equal to what I have? 
By the way, for anyone who has never bought Lysine, it
is very inexpensive. I think this huge bottle was
under $8.00. I can certainly afford to give it to all
of my cats and I think I will, at least a few times
per week. 
Eventually, I seriously want to start making my own
cat food for them, if only as an additional food, to
keep everyone healthy. 
It is so easy to just buy a bag of dry food, but I
really do not think any commercial food could be
better than a very carefully thought out homemade
recipe.Does anyone here make their own cat food? 
 It is just a matter of finding the time, right? I'm
also open to other supplements to boost Gracie's
system...someone said vitamin C was good. I do not
want to get too carried away and know I need to watch
out to not over do it...
THANK YOU BUNCHES! 
Glenda
--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey Glenda,
 
 Does the lysine have any additives?  Specifically,
 does it contain propynol glycol; if so, DO NOT give
 it to your furbabies.  It would save you time if you
 had caplets you could open and empty the lysine
 powder out of them.  But I don't think there's any
 problem with tablets;only that they are probably too
 big give to kittens uncrushed.  Giving lysine is
 great to FeLV+ kitties as it's an immune system
 booster.  Good call Glenda.  I gave 500 mg. 2x per
 day to my Smookie who was about 6-8 months old at
 the time and a good weight for her corneal ulcer;
 cleared it right up when nothing else would work for
 her (stuff from the vet).  So 500 mg. 1x per day
 should be fine, unless Gracie is really, really
 young.  I don't supplement my healthy kitties, but
 if you would like to, I really don't think it would
 hurt anything.  Hope this info. helps.
 
 :)
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Re: treats and supplement questions...

2007-07-22 Thread glenda Goodman
Yes, that is one reason I have not even tried  making
my own pet food yet. Even if I did, I would always
want to have a good quality dry food back up , just to
cover all the bases. I do leave dry food out for my
cats all day... If there were a good recipe, that
perhaps consisted of a few vegetables and rice , organ
meat, of this kind or that, that my cats would really
like, it would certainly make me  feel like I  were
doing a good thing for them. I have never felt that
comfortable about canned cat food. I guess that is why
I have just fed dry and figured out things for treats.
At times I have added different types of canned to
their diet for treats...Some they have liked and some
they have not...I have wasted a lot of food as my guys
are picky... Of course, after the pet food scare and
all the negative things people started saying about
our pet foods, I am even more creeped out. I do
appreciate the feedback I'm getting on tuna. I guess I
always thought the pure, human grade tuna was a better
deal...and at least it was tuna...not tuna guts or
worse, but I better realize there is a lot I need to
learn.  Thanks, Glenda
--- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The only I will say about making your own cat food
 is that you really, 
 really, really need to know what you are doing, or
 you could cause a 
 nutrition deficit in your cat.
 
 I would just do LOTS of research, and talk to a vet
 that you trust.
 
 
 As far as Lysine, if you can give it to all of your
 cats, it can only help 
 boost their immune systems.
 
 It certainly wouldn't hurt.
 
 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
 www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
 www.shadowcats.net
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 her side did wait,
Purring welcomes
 of soft applause,
Ever guarding
 with sharpened claws.
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 Tennent
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 1:50 PM
 Subject: Re: treats and supplement questions...
 
 
 Wendy, Thanks for getting back to me on this.
 I checked the other ingredients: Cellulose(plant
 origen), Silica, Vegetable Magnesium Stearate. It
 looks like I'm safe...Well, it sure is nice being
 just
 a few clicks away from getting answers to my
 questions...
 I'll probably get my next bottle at the local health
 food store, but I think anything there, will be
 pretty
 equal to what I have?
 By the way, for anyone who has never bought Lysine,
 it
 is very inexpensive. I think this huge bottle was
 under $8.00. I can certainly afford to give it to
 all
 of my cats and I think I will, at least a few times
 per week.
 Eventually, I seriously want to start making my own
 cat food for them, if only as an additional food, to
 keep everyone healthy.
 It is so easy to just buy a bag of dry food, but I
 really do not think any commercial food could be
 better than a very carefully thought out homemade
 recipe.Does anyone here make their own cat food?
  It is just a matter of finding the time, right? I'm
 also open to other supplements to boost Gracie's
 system...someone said vitamin C was good. I do not
 want to get too carried away and know I need to
 watch
 out to not over do it...
 THANK YOU BUNCHES!
 Glenda
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Fwd: Urgent: Michael Vick's Indictment Doesn't Go Far Enough

2007-07-24 Thread glenda Goodman
I'm sorry to have to forward this, but if some of you
guys do not get these Peta notifications
automatically, I felt this particular one was very
important, because we cannot not do all we can. I know
this is rough on some of you guys ,but this is
important...I just want to complain to everywhere we
can, on this creep...Glenda
--- Ingrid Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 23:25:42 GMT
 From: Ingrid Newkirk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: glenda larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Urgent: Michael Vick's Indictment Doesn't
 Go Far Enough
 
 Subject: Urgent: Michael Vick's Indictment Doesn't
 Go Far Enough
 
 
 Dear Glenda,
 
 As I'm sure you've heard, the dogs on Michael Vick's
 property
 didn't stand a chance. According to a federal
 prosecutor, they
 were allegedly hanged, slammed to the ground,
 drowned,
 electrocuted after being doused with water, and
 shot. As Sen.
 Robert Byrd (D-W.Va.) stated on the floor of the
 U.S. Senate,
 there is an especially hot place in hell for anyone
 who could
 treat an animal like this. We want such people to
 pay for their
 crimes right here on Earth. 
 
 Michael Vick's indictment has brought the horror and
 cruelty of
 dogfighting into our homes. I wish I could tell you
 that this is
 an isolated incident, but it isn't. Every day at
 PETA, we get
 shocking and outrageous reports from all over about
 dogs, cats,
 and other companion animals who are the deliberate
 targets of
 human violence and greed.
 
 PETA goes to law enforcement agencies every week
 with cases, and
 we gain convictions. But all too often, these
 agencies ignore
 animal abuse-despite the proven link between cruelty
 to animals
 and other forms of violence, including abuse of
 spouses and
 children.
 
 Even when charges are filed and abusers are
 convicted, we often
 must educate and pressure law enforcement officials
 and
 prosecutors to sentence perpetrators to the fullest
 extent
 allowed by law so that animal abusers don't get away
 with a slap
 on the wrist.
 
 The case against Michael Vick is typical of cases we
 deal with
 all the time. He stands accused of heinous torture
 of animals.
 We're grateful that the public has responded with
 outrage. We
 need your help to make sure that this case sends a
 long overdue
 message to anyone involved with dogfighting and
 other forms of
 vicious cruelty-as well as the agencies charged with
 enforcing
 anti-cruelty laws-that the public won't stand for
 inaction any
 longer.
 
 Can I count on you to do your part? We need your
 help today to
 do the following:
 
 1) Urge the NFL

[http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/afalcons_vick_2/ixs6sgurpmibjj8?]
 and the Atlanta
 Falcons

[http://www.atlantafalcons.com/About/Contact_Us.aspx]
 to
 suspend Vick pending the outcome of his trial. 
 
 2) Contact your local media to urge them to show
 PETA's
 anti-dogfighting public service announcement by
 former world
 heavyweight champion Lamon Brewster.

[http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=lamon_dogfight]
 
 Please make as generous a gift as you can today

[https://ebiz.isiservices.com/peta-e/peta/edonate.asp?section_code=H07T135Qid=11573148ask4=--25-35-50-100-o]
 to help give us the resources we need to investigate
 reports of
 animal abuse, suffering, and neglect and make sure
 that these
 cases are taken seriously by law enforcement
 agencies. 
 
 PETA's cruelty casework is physically and
 emotionally draining,
 but our staff members know that they are often the
 only
 lifeline-the only glimmer of hope-an animal has. 
 
 Help us to educate the public, police, prosecuting
 officials,
 and judges through the distribution of our vital
 informational
 packs designed especially for courtroom use-and push
 for
 stronger animal protection laws and tougher
 penalties. Animals
 deserve to be treated with compassion, care, and
 love-not as
 disposable gambling toys. 
 
 Russell Simons, The Rev. Al Sharpton,

[http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/petition_dog_fighting/ixs6sgurpmibjj8?]
 and thousands of other
 people are helping our campaign to make the very
 idea of dog
 fighting and cruelty to animals repulsive. Our
 dedicated and
 hardworking staff members are also making sure that
 the media
 cover this story in graphic detail.

[http://www.criticalmention.com/components/url_gen/play_asx.php?clip_info=359383466%7C22%7C70%5E359383765%7C0%7C70%5E359384073%7C0%7C70%5E359384384%7C0%7C51]
 But we need you to take a stand against this
 cruelty, too.
 
 It is only when caring people step up and are
 counted that
 charges are filed, abusers are prosecuted and
 convicted, and the
 cruelty ends.
 
 Thank you for caring. Let's make this stick!
 
 For the animals,
 
 Ingrid E. Newkirk
 President
 
 P.S. Please remember that Michael Vick's case is
 just the tip of
 the iceberg. In the past year alone, we've responded
 to nearly
 14,000 requests for help regarding specific
 cruelty-to-animals
 cases, including other dogfighting cases. Please
 help make sure
 we have 

Re: OT: Pet Burial Ceremony- for Monkee

2007-07-24 Thread glenda Goodman
Caroline, I do not know who you have left at home to
love, BUT, If you have room for another kitty, in your
life, in your home...
 IF I WERE YOU, this is what I would do: 
I would go down to my local shelter, ASAP and look at
all the kitties. I would try to imagine who Monkee
would pick, if he were with me...Maybe this process
could take a week or a month of going down and
looking, but when my eyes fell on that particular
kitty, that somehow touched my soul, I would bail the
little guy out, pronto and run with him...Then I would
go home and get to know the kitty  that I had bailed
out and I would try to imagine what this kitty would
say to Monkee if he could...You know, the kitty would
be grateful...I'd write it down, different things that
might come to me... Then I'd set aside a special day,
I would get my mom, the kitty I had saved from
possible death or a not so good future, a bottle of
wine, two glasses, something of Monkee's that was
important to him, pour my mom a glass , me a glass,
hold the kitty, hold the something of Monkee's. I'd
tell Monkee how much I loved him and how much I miss
him. I'd thank him for helping me find the kitty I was
holding and I would think of all the good bright
things ahead for me, my mom and the kitty...It would
be sad, but it would be happy too. I'd try to make it
a celebration. I'd drink my glass of wine and be sure
to remember this day until the day I died ,because it
will have been one of those very special days in my
life...and maybe, in Monkee's memory, I'd set it aside
every year to honor him by doing something extra nice
for someone or some little critter or myself...THIS IS
WHAT I WOULD DO, IF I WERE YOU... 
 I would never just go find a complete stanger, even a
religious type, to read my words or someone else's
words...I think this needs to be a completely personal
and sacred ceremony/celebration.
Only those that deserve to be there should be there...

(I really do hope there is a place, we can all go, to
meet those we have loved and lost, after we leave this
world. If there is such a place, I know Monkee will be
there waiting for you.
Caroline, you are so lucky ...you have so much to
give...I have really enjoyed seeing the wonderful
sides to you these past few days...You have the
ability to do a lot of good for this world...
Glenda   
--- Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


-
I have lost many pets before in my life, but with my
recent loss of Monkee, I feel compelled to have some
kind of ceremony honoring his life because he is the
closest companion (animal or human) that I've ever
had.  I am really struggling with his death and the
grieving process.  I also want something to provide me
with some closure and I thought an official ceremony
might do that.  Of course, I know that even though
Monkee touched a lot of my friends and family, I am
afraid it will only be my mom and I at the ceremony,
but regardless, I still want to do it.
Monkee was cremated so I don't really want to have a
burial per se.  I don't plan to spread his ashes or
bury them...I want to keep them.  
I just wanted to know if anyone had any ideas for me? 
My mom has been doing some research to find a person
to perform the ceremony and a location here in
Louisville, Kentucky.  If anyone has further thoughts,
or a good script that we could use as a basis for the
ceremony, please let me know.  I appreciate it.
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RE: OT: Pet Burial Ceremony- for Monkee

2007-07-24 Thread glenda Goodman
Caroline, I have six cats. I love them all very much,
but I love one the most. I think he is the most
beautiful, most absolutely cool cat in the whole world
.Everything he does is simply elegant. His name is
Feeto. He is a 6.6.6.6. DSH, tabby, polydactyl. His
toes are all perfect! It is because of him I have this
poly foot fetish now. 
 I have felt so awful that I never knew him as a
kitten.I was told he was homeless and wandered the
streets...I simply could not understand why such a
fantastic cat was not scooped up by the first human
who ever layed eyes on him... He was a young adult
when I adopted him. He had been sitting at the local
Humane Society for almost two months before I found
him! I simply could not believe I was so lucky as to
have been the one who was to bring him home. He , to
me, is a treasure. He has been with me for only
18-months .  If anything were ever to happen to him,
my world would collapse. I do not think I would be
able to get out of bed for a week. I have never had an
animal before or since that I have been so obsessed
with. I am sure I could never find his equal. I would
not even think of it,  but I would do something kind
in honor of him and I would try to keep busy...
The diamond idea was nice...Glenda 

--- Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


-


Thank you Glenda and Wendy for your insight.  We are
taking our time to plan something and won't do
anything until Aug., so I still have time to think
about it.  It's funny though because I just found the
pet loss website today on my own and it was really
helpful.  I liked the poems and I am really interested
in the jewelry memorial websight links for cremains
and I plan to get something like that.  I think I
could move on better if I really feel like I always
have a part of Monkee with me.

Thanks,

Caroline 





-

From:  wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject:  OT: Pet Burial Ceremony- for Monkee
Date:  Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:26:15 -0700 (PDT)
P.S. I am not sure if sent you the link to this pet
loss site:

http://www.petloss.com/

If I didn't, I apologize.  It's a great site to
navigate around and see all the things they have to
offer.  I bet you would find some things there to
help.  Please let us know how it goes if you feel like
it.

Best of luck,
:)
Wendy

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Re: OT: Pet Burial Ceremony- for Monkee

2007-07-24 Thread glenda Goodman
Wendy, COOL! I bet LuLu is adorable! We should all
post kitty pictures one of these days. 
 As for polydactyls, I think those extra toes makes
them feel a bit superior...I know with my Feeto he has
a regal attitude and is very comfortable with himself.
He acts like a little king around other cats and even
dogs..., calm and composed all the the time and in
complete control. I had only see Feeto lose it once
and that was a couple days after I brought him home.
My cat Bruno was hissing at him. Feeto went after him.
I saw fur fly, not Feeto's.Feeto walked away, had made
his point, but then, my dog tried to get in the middle
to protect Bruno. Feeto got irritated and leaped on my
dog's back. Kind of an after thought, like do not mess
with me, when I'm taking care of business. Feeto
wrapped his front paws around my dog's neck... Stuck
12-claws into my poor dog. I'd never seen anything
like it. It was over before it began...My dog had huge
respect for Feeto after that, as well as all the other
kitties. Now Feeto is very bonded with Bruno and my
dog Hondo, my Great Dane /Shepherd mix, has passed
away...Because Hondo is gone, I opened up my home to
two more poly kittens, siblings...too round my family
out...  
I was outside, lying on my lawn tonight with three of
my adult cats...They all have such different little
faces, as well as personalities. They are all just so
beautiful. I was thinking tonight, if I could draw or
paint, how lovely  a picture it would make, the three
of them lounging side by side on the grass. (My cats
are indoor ,but allowed outside with supervision...)
 Every healthy, well cared for cat, is beautiful. It
is easy to see how one could not resist getting too
many cats...I will never have more or less than
6-cats. I can care well for six,but if I had any more,
I would not be able to do them justice. When Caroline
was telling us how beautiful Monkee was, I knew
exactly how she felt when she would look at him...
Good night,
Glenda 
--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Glenda, my Siamese mix LuLu is polydactyl.  She has
 an extra toe on all four paws.  It's really cute.
  
 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
 committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
 is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade
 ~~~
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 10:43:33 PM
 Subject: RE: OT: Pet Burial Ceremony- for Monkee
 
 
 Caroline, I have six cats. I love them all very
 much,
 but I love one the most. I think he is the most
 beautiful, most absolutely cool cat in the whole
 world
 .Everything he does is simply elegant. His name is
 Feeto. He is a 6.6.6.6. DSH, tabby, polydactyl. His
 toes are all perfect! It is because of him I have
 this
 poly foot fetish now. 
 I have felt so awful that I never knew him as a
 kitten.I was told he was homeless and wandered the
 streets...I simply could not understand why such a
 fantastic cat was not scooped up by the first human
 who ever layed eyes on him... He was a young adult
 when I adopted him. He had been sitting at the local
 Humane Society for almost two months before I found
 him! I simply could not believe I was so lucky as to
 have been the one who was to bring him home. He , to
 me, is a treasure. He has been with me for only
 18-months .  If anything were ever to happen to him,
 my world would collapse. I do not think I would be
 able to get out of bed for a week. I have never had
 an
 animal before or since that I have been so obsessed
 with. I am sure I could never find his equal. I
 would
 not even think of it,  but I would do something kind
 in honor of him and I would try to keep busy...
 The diamond idea was nice...Glenda 
 
 --- Caroline Kaufmann
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 
 -
 
 
 Thank you Glenda and Wendy for your insight.  We are
 taking our time to plan something and won't do
 anything until Aug., so I still have time to think
 about it.  It's funny though because I just found
 the
 pet loss website today on my own and it was really
 helpful.  I liked the poems and I am really
 interested
 in the jewelry memorial websight links for cremains
 and I plan to get something like that.  I think I
 could move on better if I really feel like I always
 have a part of Monkee with me.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Caroline 
 
 
 
 
 
 -
 
 From:  wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject:  OT: Pet Burial Ceremony- for Monkee
 Date:  Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:26:15 -0700 (PDT)
 P.S. I am not sure if sent you the link to this pet
 loss site:
 
 http://www.petloss.com/
 
 If I didn't, I apologize.  It's a great site to
 navigate around and see all the things they have to
 offer.  I bet you would find some things there to
 help.  Please let us know how it goes if you feel
 like
 it.
 
 Best of luck,
 :)
 Wendy
 
 Never doubt that a small

Re: OT: Re: Polydactyl's

2007-07-25 Thread glenda Goodman
My Feeto has perfectly formed toes and footpads,
6-toes on each foot...front back. Gracie my FeLV+ girl
has 6-toes front, 5-toes back. The front feet have
four toes then one tiny toe, then one big toe. The
tiny toe is just nestled down low between the first
four and last big toe. Her back toes are all even. My
two siblings, little girl and little boy, that I just
received  about 6-weeks ago out of   a shelter in
Arizona were said to have 6-toes on the front and 6on
the back. The little girl, 6 and the other 6 and 7 on
the back. Well, both the little boy and little girl
have perfect back feet. Their toes are all uniform and
match their toe foot pads...On their front feet,
however, they have six claws and five big toe pads on
each foot. When I get them spayed and neutered the vet
will be removing those extra claws, because all they
do is dangle off the side, they are on the side... and
catch on things. They seem to be attached to just a
thread of skin...The real test, is if you ever are
talking to someone about how many toes a cat has, they
need to look on the bottom of the cat's foot and count
the toe pads. Those dangling claws, do not count. With
Gracie there is a very small toe pad in the middle of
the four and last big toe pad.  
When I started reading up on Polydactyls I found a
page on the internet that showed patterns of the
different toe patterns. It is interesting looking up
the information. I was interested to find the info.
regarding Poly Main Coons...How 40% of Main Coons are
inclined to be Poly...but it is not accepted as a
standard...My perfect, dream cat would be a Poly Main
Coon...that had toes like my Feeto. After my dog
passed away , 5/01/07. I started checking
petfinders.com for Polys...That is where I got my
little Gracie out of Montana and after discovering she
was FeLV+ found my little boy and girl. 
My intention was to find Gracie an only cat home, with
the perfect person , but that has not been the
case...I do keep her seperated ,but it is very hard
and very stressful...Lots of handwashing and
paranoia...The quality of her life, so far, is still
better with me, than anyone who might have taken her.
Her best offer was from an older lady who would have
declawed her...She has enough trauma in her life...
I liked that saying I saw somewhere the other day:
SAVE A PAW ,DO NOT DECLAW
There was another saying I saw too, that said,
basically, something about, do not breed or buy , too
many need homes...Does anyone remember that little
rhyme? It is a good one...
As far as scooping water: I remember Feeto eating with
his feet a time or two and he definately can open the
screen door ,but can't push the door forward at the
same time...which is a good thing...He'd be in he
fridge too, if he could. I have always believed humans
and other primates have the edge ,because we have
hands with which to get into things. We are able to
test our theories out: CAUSE AND EFFECT
 Any animal with that advantage is going to be a
handful. Just a thought...Glenda
--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 LuLu does not do much with her paws but walk around
 real cute like.  lol.  Do either of you have issues
 with an extra nail growing between the thumb and
 the other toes on the front paws.
 
 :)
 Wendy
  
 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
 committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
 is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade
 ~~~
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 10:33:46 AM
 Subject: Re: OT: Pet Burial Ceremony- for Monkee
 
 
 My Polly Go Lighty is a polydactyl tuxie
 girl...
 
 Does your poly drink w/ his / her fronts paws?
 
 Polly likes to scoop the water up from the bowls.
 
 She also likes it very clean.
 
 She will sit in front of the water bowl and mew @ me
 until I change it.
 
 I think she just drinks w/ her toes to show off to
 the other cats.
 
 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
 www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
 www.shadowcats.net
   As Cleopatra lay
 in state,
Faithful Bast at
 her side did wait,
Purring welcomes
 of soft applause,
Ever guarding
 with sharpened claws.
  Trajan
 Tennent
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 10:50 PM
 Subject: Re: OT: Pet Burial Ceremony- for Monkee
 
 
 Glenda, my Siamese mix LuLu is polydactyl.  She has
 an extra toe on all four 
 paws.  It's really cute.
 
 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
 committed citizens can change 
 the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever
 has! ~~~ Margaret Meade 
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RE: OT: Re: Polydactyl's

2007-07-25 Thread glenda Goodman
Melissa, 
Some days are harder than others. It cannot be easy
taking care of a bunch of  kitties, becoming a mother,
in this day and age, dealing with family that depend
on your support ,but seem not to be able to offer you
any support when you need it. 
Something tells me you are a lot younger than most of
us here...
Well, bless your heart! You are going to make a very
fine , responsible mother. You will be a wonderful
example for your own children...
My mom used to tell me generations skip ...She thought
children are never like their parents, but their
grandparents...I think if you are a good parent, a
real hands on parent, you will be a good influence on
your children...You will change those dynamics...
Somewhere, someone was a good influence on you...and
again bless your heart for trying to be a good
influence on your mom and sisters...
I'm sorry the kitties at your mom's house are having a
rough time...just as long as they are spayed/neutered,
vaccinated and kept off the streets, especially at
night. The good news is, at least Sunny and Steve have
each other for affection...and it looks like nobody is
mean to them?  
On the subject of overweight cats: 
I have one adult male cat named Velcro. He is a  four
year old, tuxedo cat. Velcro does not seem to have any
interests in life. He does love me and wants to sit on
me all the time. He is very jealous of Feeto, simply
cannot stand Feeto. Except for Feeto getting a rise
out of him,
I have never even seen him get excited about
anything... a grasshopper., mouse toys...nothing.  He
sleeps and eats and eats and eats. I do leave the dry
food out for everyone, but Velcro must eat more than
his share?( I do not  even give Velcro
treats...can't...
Everyone else is muscular and reasonably trim... I do
need to really try and put him on a diet...I have
tried keeping food away from him,but he is not getting
lighter...
I think one reason he is overweight is his lack of
interest in playing. Velcro not big on exercise...
I'll ask my vet if it could be a thyroid problem...If
it isn't, I think some cats, like people, are
overweight because of lifestyle choices. 
Sunny must have access to food all day at your mom's? 

I'm glad I was here to listen...When is that human
baby due? 
Glenda
   
--- Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Glenda,
 
 Too bad you're not taking any more kitties :) My mom
 has a poly named Sunny.
 She's probably four years old or so. I never knew
 that was the technical
 name for them--we've always called them mitten
 paws. We used to joke that
 this happened from all the pesticides/herbicides in
 the water. Sunny was a
 stray.
 
 Well, my mom and my sisters who live at home are a
 continual disappointment
 to me in the way they take care of (or don't take
 care of) their pets. Sunny
 is grossly overweight, and their other cat, Steve,
 who I love dearly, just
 wants love and attention, but I'm the only one who
 will give it to him, but
 it just breaks my heart to spend much time over
 there. I get so frustrated
 and angry with them that I have to leave.
 
 Then there's the dog--a tiny thing they wanted so
 badly, and now they want
 to give him back. I don't understand it. But, I
 think it boils down to the
 fact that my mom has not been able to get her own
 life straight, that passes
 down to the kids, and then the pets get neglected
 just like everything else.
 It's hard for me because I can't understand not
 loving an animal. 
 
 Mom always nags me to take her pets, especially
 since I love Steve so much
 (named after my husband--same hair/eye color), but
 we already have 3 cats of
 our own, and 2 fosters that need a home, and a human
 baby on the way. The
 other day I started sobbing while cleaning up cat
 vomit. It's just so
 overwhelming. Cat messes never make me upset, but
 our house is small, and
 about to get smaller, and I know these babies need a
 home. I just can't find
 anyone who would give them the care they deserve.
 (No--I'm not asking
 you--just venting). Just like that lady who would
 declaw--how horrible. I
 could never let that happen. 
 
 Okay, I'm hormonal and blabbering on. Sorry, I'm
 sick and exhausted and
 feeling a bit of a heavy load on my shoulders right
 now. Thanks for
 listening!
 
 Melissa
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of glenda Goodman
 Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 11:54 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: OT: Re: Polydactyl's
 
 My Feeto has perfectly formed toes and footpads,
 6-toes on each foot...front back. Gracie my FeLV+
 girl
 has 6-toes front, 5-toes back. The front feet have
 four toes then one tiny toe, then one big toe. The
 tiny toe is just nestled down low between the first
 four and last big toe. Her back toes are all even.
 My
 two siblings, little girl and little boy, that I
 just
 received  about 6-weeks ago out of   a shelter in
 Arizona were said to have 6-toes on the front and
 6on
 the back. The little girl, 6

OT: OOPS, I HAVE BEEN ON PETFINDERS AGAIN...

2007-07-26 Thread glenda Goodman
Hi Guys, 
Well, here I am at my computer, dinking around, going
to very dangerous places for me...Sometimes I just
click petfinders .com and check out the POLYS, my big
passion. Sadly, I see that the mom to my kittens,
Lovey is still waiting for a  forever home, in a
foster home situation, in Arizona. I know she is safe,
but it is sad she is still waiting. However, I know
her foster mom would never let anything happen to
her...
I have never read a petfinder ad where they flat out
tell you that if a home is not found soon for an
animal, that animal will be put to death. I do know
the reality of our over flowing shelters, I'm not
stupid...I guess I just do not like to face thinking
about these things...
There are shelters that operate as no kill and keep
the same animals for years...I have been seeing some
of the same animals waiting for months now...There is
, for example , a shelter in Bozeman Montana that has
only adult cats to offer people . The ages on these
cats is as high as 11-12 years...A young cat at this
shelter is mayber 4-6 years...It is crazy...These yype
of shelters are really not good either , because new
animals are turned away for lack of space...New
animals are killed, kittens are killed, if there are
no other facilities able to take them...
Well, guys, here is what is making me cry my eyes out
tonight: 
THERE IS A CAT NAMED CATCHER IN FORT WORTH, TEXAS. HE
IS A GREAT BIG ORANGE POLY.EXTRA TOES FRONT AND BACK
FEET!  HE IS ADORABLE! AS I'M WRITING THIS I CAN ONLY
HOPE HE IS STILL ALIVE. I EMAILED THE SHELTER, JUST
NOW, TO TELL THEM I WAS INTERESTED IN HIM! I TOLD THEM
I'D CALL THEM IN THE MORNING. IF YOU READ THE AD YOU
WILL UNDERSTAND MY FEELINGS HERE. I CAN ONLY HOPE
THERE IS AN OUT POURING OF HELP FOR THIS CAT. I KNOW
ONE PERSON THAT LIVES IN FORT WORTH. I KNOW A TRUCK
DRIVER THAT HAS A RUN THROUGH THERE. I SIMPLY FEEL
COMPELLED TO TRY AND SAVE THIS CAT. IF ANYONE WANTS TO
HIT ME OVER THE HEAD WITH A STICK , I WILL UNDERSTAND.
IF ANYONE HAS ANY EXTRA IDEAS HOW I CAN RESCUE THIS
CAT, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. I COULD FORWARD HIS PICTURE
TO THIS SITE, BUT THAT WOULD BE BREAKING THE RULES, I
THINK? AT THE LEAST, IT WOULD BE UPSETTING AND OR
TAKING ADVANTAGE OF ALL YOU SOFTIES OUT THERE...  I
DID ASK, IN MY EMAIL TO THE SHELTER, IF CATCHER HAD
BEEN TESTED FOR FeLV/FIV. 
I WILL LET YOU GUYS KNOW TOMORROW WHAT I HAVE LEARNED
IN MY PURSUIT OF THIS PROJECT I'M UNDERTAKING HERE...
I KNOW WE ALL HAVE SO MUCH TO DEAL WITH, JUST WITH OUR
OWN LIVES AND THE KITTIES WE ALREADY HAVE IN OUR
CARE...
SORRY ,BUT SOMETIMES ON THIS SITE WE FIND OURSELVES
GOING TO EACH OTHER FOR COMFORT AND UNDERSTANDING. I
GUESS IT WAS MY TURN TONIGHT. I USUALLY DO NOT START
BAWLING OVER A CAT I DO NOT KNOW , BUT THIS AD,
PROFILING CATCHER, REALLY MOVED ME. IF ANYONE HAS TIME
ON THEIR HANDS TO LOOK CATCHER UP CHECK HIS PICTURE
OUT. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR PUTTING UP WITH ME! 
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2007-07-26 Thread glenda Goodman
Sally, I just looked at your kitty. She has really
pretty green eyes. She should grow up to be a real
beauty! 
It sure is hard loving all these kitties and being
able to only help a handful. 
Your website is wild. When I get a little time I will
check it out again. 
The best of luck to you and your kitties. I have one
FeLV+ kitty too. I think that really slows us down, so
hard keeping everyone seperated and back tracking,
making sure everything is kept clean and picked up...
About this kitty in Fort Worth : I will know what is
going on when I call tomorrow. As it stands, I will
take this cat in, if I am able to get him to me... I
will sponser him...whatever it takes that I can do...
I just have to try...Thanks for checking him out...He
is at : ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROL DIVISION 
 FORT WORTH ,TEXAS
He is # 501505
His name is Catcher, a very large, orange poly. Poor
little guy, wearing the duck suit hat...trying so hard
to be cute...
anyone live in Fort Worth with time to conspire with
me on this? I'll send the bail out fees...
He simply has to be still alive or I will just go
bonkers...will find out tomorrow... Thanks, Glenda

--- Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 HI Glenda
 
 He is SOOO cute. I hope he gets a good home.
 
 I just aquired a new kitten. She is solid grey. Now
 with Junior being FeLV
 pos. I had no intention of bringing a cat home.
 Someone told the lady I did
 rescue. She told me all the shelters were full.
 Someone had dropped the
 kitten off and she was half starved. She is doing
 better and is confined to
 Eric's room. Which means she also has company.
 However I am still trying to
 find her a home. There are sveral poeple where I
 work who are interested.
 
 Her picture is on my website see below.
 
 Sally
 
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and
 White, Ittle Bitty, Little
 Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and  Spike  Visit my BB
 for some pictures post
 your as well.
 

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RE: OT: OOPS, I HAVE BEEN ON PETFINDERS AGAIN...

2007-07-27 Thread glenda Goodman
Everyone, I just got ahold of an actual person at the
shelter in Fort Worth regarding Catcher. This is how
my conversation went: I ased if Catcher was available.
The gal goes I need a #. I give her the #: 501505.
She says, That does not sound like a good #. Then a
minute later she says, She has been adopted. I said,
He was a boy. Like I'm just irritated they did not
even know he was a boy...Then I said , When? She
said , Why? I said, Because they said, if Catcher
was not adopted right away, he was going to be put
down. 
My heart is just broken, because I simply do not
believe these people...This is a government
facility...I cannot believe they left themselves open
to a bunch of panicked people out here, worried about
that cat by the ad that was put out on
petfinders...They have to have fosters...It is
possible this cat was adopted, but the tone of the
person's voice on the other end, was abrupt...scared
the hell out of me...
The phone # to that facility is 817-392-3737 just for
anyone out there that wants to try it out...
I have been involved with animal rescue and shelters
in my past and really do not trust the image they try
to project to the public...thus to keep people like me
calm...It is not their fault, I do understand, but
knowing this is no consolation...Well enough
depressing stuff. Remember he could have gotten
adopted...Glenda

--- Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Glenda,
 
 How's it going with Catcher? Can you post the link
 to his picture? I hope
 you are able to get him. Have you looked into cheap
 flights? Southwest Ding
 might be the place to go to get down there, but I'm
 not sure if they have a
 Omaha / Fort Worth flight. You can't take cats on
 Southwest (no pets
 allowed), but you could always find another cheap
 flight back. When I flew
 to Best Friends, my airfare was around $200 round
 trip on two different
 airlines! About $100 on the way out, $80 on the way
 back, plus $50 for the
 cat on the way there to ride under the seat. Then I
 got a great deal on a
 car. I booked it so that it was a turn-around--no
 hotel needed, just a
 little napping in the airport. 
 
 Let me know how things go...I don't think you're
 crazy. More cats can be
 overwhelming, but if we don't take them, who will? 
 
 Melissa
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of glenda Goodman
 Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 12:17 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: OT: OOPS, I HAVE BEEN ON PETFINDERS
 AGAIN...
 
 Sally, I just looked at your kitty. She has really
 pretty green eyes. She should grow up to be a real
 beauty! 
 It sure is hard loving all these kitties and being
 able to only help a handful. 
 Your website is wild. When I get a little time I
 will
 check it out again. 
 The best of luck to you and your kitties. I have one
 FeLV+ kitty too. I think that really slows us down,
 so
 hard keeping everyone seperated and back tracking,
 making sure everything is kept clean and picked
 up...
 About this kitty in Fort Worth : I will know what is
 going on when I call tomorrow. As it stands, I will
 take this cat in, if I am able to get him to me... I
 will sponser him...whatever it takes that I can
 do...
 I just have to try...Thanks for checking him
 out...He
 is at : ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROL DIVISION 
  FORT WORTH ,TEXAS
 He is # 501505
 His name is Catcher, a very large, orange poly. Poor
 little guy, wearing the duck suit hat...trying so
 hard
 to be cute...
 anyone live in Fort Worth with time to conspire with
 me on this? I'll send the bail out fees...
 He simply has to be still alive or I will just go
 bonkers...will find out tomorrow... Thanks, Glenda
 
 --- Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  HI Glenda
  
  He is SOOO cute. I hope he gets a good home.
  
  I just aquired a new kitten. She is solid grey.
 Now
  with Junior being FeLV
  pos. I had no intention of bringing a cat home.
  Someone told the lady I did
  rescue. She told me all the shelters were full.
  Someone had dropped the
  kitten off and she was half starved. She is doing
  better and is confined to
  Eric's room. Which means she also has company.
  However I am still trying to
  find her a home. There are sveral poeple where I
  work who are interested.
  
  Her picture is on my website see below.
  
  Sally
  
  
  
  
  
  -- 
  Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and
  White, Ittle Bitty, Little
  Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and  Spike  Visit my
 BB
  for some pictures post
  your as well.
  
 

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RE: OT: OOPS, I HAVE BEEN ON PETFINDERS AGAIN...

2007-07-27 Thread glenda Goodman
Melissa,
 Thank you for all that flight info. I had my next
steps figured out, as far as the transportation, could
have gotten myself down there and was willing to bug
people, to see if they would not run down there to
secure the situation, so as to give me a couple
days...I only 'know' someone in Fort Worth, not anyone
really close...
Oh well...I was just moved to try my best for this
cat...Sometimes you can just look at an animal and
know...It is like what I said to Caroline the other
day, about seeing that special one that touches your
soul. I had a special feeling for Catcher...
Bless everyone of you wonderful people out there, who
are taking the time to care for, the little things in
life, that really are ,the big things in life...
Glenda 
--- glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Everyone, I just got ahold of an actual person at
 the
 shelter in Fort Worth regarding Catcher. This is how
 my conversation went: I ased if Catcher was
 available.
 The gal goes I need a #. I give her the #: 501505.
 She says, That does not sound like a good #. Then a
 minute later she says, She has been adopted. I
 said,
 He was a boy. Like I'm just irritated they did not
 even know he was a boy...Then I said , When? She
 said , Why? I said, Because they said, if Catcher
 was not adopted right away, he was going to be put
 down. 
 My heart is just broken, because I simply do not
 believe these people...This is a government
 facility...I cannot believe they left themselves
 open
 to a bunch of panicked people out here, worried
 about
 that cat by the ad that was put out on
 petfinders...They have to have fosters...It is
 possible this cat was adopted, but the tone of the
 person's voice on the other end, was abrupt...scared
 the hell out of me...
 The phone # to that facility is 817-392-3737 just
 for
 anyone out there that wants to try it out...
 I have been involved with animal rescue and shelters
 in my past and really do not trust the image they
 try
 to project to the public...thus to keep people like
 me
 calm...It is not their fault, I do understand, but
 knowing this is no consolation...Well enough
 depressing stuff. Remember he could have gotten
 adopted...Glenda
 
 --- Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi Glenda,
  
  How's it going with Catcher? Can you post the link
  to his picture? I hope
  you are able to get him. Have you looked into
 cheap
  flights? Southwest Ding
  might be the place to go to get down there, but
 I'm
  not sure if they have a
  Omaha / Fort Worth flight. You can't take cats on
  Southwest (no pets
  allowed), but you could always find another cheap
  flight back. When I flew
  to Best Friends, my airfare was around $200 round
  trip on two different
  airlines! About $100 on the way out, $80 on the
 way
  back, plus $50 for the
  cat on the way there to ride under the seat. Then
 I
  got a great deal on a
  car. I booked it so that it was a turn-around--no
  hotel needed, just a
  little napping in the airport. 
  
  Let me know how things go...I don't think you're
  crazy. More cats can be
  overwhelming, but if we don't take them, who will?
 
  
  Melissa
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of glenda Goodman
  Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 12:17 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: OT: OOPS, I HAVE BEEN ON PETFINDERS
  AGAIN...
  
  Sally, I just looked at your kitty. She has really
  pretty green eyes. She should grow up to be a real
  beauty! 
  It sure is hard loving all these kitties and being
  able to only help a handful. 
  Your website is wild. When I get a little time I
  will
  check it out again. 
  The best of luck to you and your kitties. I have
 one
  FeLV+ kitty too. I think that really slows us
 down,
  so
  hard keeping everyone seperated and back tracking,
  making sure everything is kept clean and picked
  up...
  About this kitty in Fort Worth : I will know what
 is
  going on when I call tomorrow. As it stands, I
 will
  take this cat in, if I am able to get him to me...
 I
  will sponser him...whatever it takes that I can
  do...
  I just have to try...Thanks for checking him
  out...He
  is at : ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROL DIVISION 
   FORT WORTH ,TEXAS
  He is # 501505
  His name is Catcher, a very large, orange poly.
 Poor
  little guy, wearing the duck suit hat...trying so
  hard
  to be cute...
  anyone live in Fort Worth with time to conspire
 with
  me on this? I'll send the bail out fees...
  He simply has to be still alive or I will just go
  bonkers...will find out tomorrow... Thanks, Glenda
  
  --- Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   HI Glenda
   
   He is SOOO cute. I hope he gets a good home.
   
   I just aquired a new kitten. She is solid grey.
  Now
   with Junior being FeLV
   pos. I had no intention of bringing a cat home.
   Someone told the lady I did
   rescue. She told me all the shelters were full.
   Someone had dropped the
   kitten off and she

RE: OT: OOPS, I HAVE BEEN ON PETFINDERS AGAIN...

2007-07-27 Thread glenda Goodman
Tamara, 
Thank you, Dear, for your story...I am so sorry your
heart was broken like that...I completely understand. 
It is not like I do not have enough little guys
already with me to love... I have 6-cats...Six is
supposed to be my max. I also have Gracie , my FeLV+
kitty.I hate to admit to having seven ,so I do not
count Gracie ,because I keep imagining I will find her
a perfect home...
 I am not looking for another cat, but I did react on
the impulsive side of me to rescue this particular
cat, Catcher...I could not help but fall in love with
him and want to save him. I seriously need to stop
looking at Polys on petfinder.com
I have two addictions: FLOWERS and CATS
 My best girlfriend and I talk about our sicknesses
often.
 I better get off this computer and go to work...I do
work.
I love you guys! Thanks for the support! 
Glenda
--- tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Glenda,

   I attempt to adopt a cat from PetFinders a few
 years back.  My application was accepted, but an
 accident occured in the foster home where he was
 being held...apparently Carruthers was chasing
 cherry tomatos the caregivers son was tossing out
 an open 2nd story window (??) and he jumped/fell
 (or was he dropped???) out into a pack of dogs on
 the deck below that she had just set food out for. 
 She said she vetted him and he only had
 bruisesbut two days before I was to pick him up,
 she told me she found him dead on his chair.  I was
 CRUSHED, having just lost my cat to a blood clot a
 few months back and still blame myself for not being
 able to get up there and pick him up sooner.  I
 didn't believe her either and had my sister
 (different last name) contact her wanting to adopt
 him...but she too was told he died.  I still have
 his picture in a frame on the memorial shelf with my
 other critters ashes.  

   Sometimes..s - it just happens and despite our
 best intentionsit just isn't meant to be.

   Hang in there...the one that is meant for you
 ...will find you soon.

   T
 
 glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Everyone, I just got ahold of an actual person at
 the
 shelter in Fort Worth regarding Catcher. This is how
 my conversation went: I ased if Catcher was
 available.
 The gal goes I need a #. I give her the #: 501505.
 She says, That does not sound like a good #. Then a
 minute later she says, She has been adopted. I
 said,
 He was a boy. Like I'm just irritated they did not
 even know he was a boy...Then I said , When? She
 said , Why? I said, Because they said, if Catcher
 was not adopted right away, he was going to be put
 down. 
 My heart is just broken, because I simply do not
 believe these people...This is a government
 facility...I cannot believe they left themselves
 open
 to a bunch of panicked people out here, worried
 about
 that cat by the ad that was put out on
 petfinders...They have to have fosters...It is
 possible this cat was adopted, but the tone of the
 person's voice on the other end, was abrupt...scared
 the hell out of me...
 The phone # to that facility is 817-392-3737 just
 for
 anyone out there that wants to try it out...
 I have been involved with animal rescue and shelters
 in my past and really do not trust the image they
 try
 to project to the public...thus to keep people like
 me
 calm...It is not their fault, I do understand, but
 knowing this is no consolation...Well enough
 depressing stuff. Remember he could have gotten
 adopted...Glenda
 
 --- Melissa Lind wrote:
 
  Hi Glenda,
  
  How's it going with Catcher? Can you post the link
  to his picture? I hope
  you are able to get him. Have you looked into
 cheap
  flights? Southwest Ding
  might be the place to go to get down there, but
 I'm
  not sure if they have a
  Omaha / Fort Worth flight. You can't take cats on
  Southwest (no pets
  allowed), but you could always find another cheap
  flight back. When I flew
  to Best Friends, my airfare was around $200 round
  trip on two different
  airlines! About $100 on the way out, $80 on the
 way
  back, plus $50 for the
  cat on the way there to ride under the seat. Then
 I
  got a great deal on a
  car. I booked it so that it was a turn-around--no
  hotel needed, just a
  little napping in the airport. 
  
  Let me know how things go...I don't think you're
  crazy. More cats can be
  overwhelming, but if we don't take them, who will?
 
  
  Melissa
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
  Behalf Of glenda Goodman
  Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 12:17 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: OT: OOPS, I HAVE BEEN ON PETFINDERS
  AGAIN...
  
  Sally, I just looked at your kitty. She has really
  pretty green eyes. She should grow up to be a real
  beauty! 
  It sure is hard loving all these kitties and being
  able to only help a handful. 
  Your website is wild. When I get a little time I
  will
  check it out again. 
  The best of luck to you and your kitties. I have
 one

Re: OT: OOPS, I HAVE BEEN ON PETFINDERS AGAIN...

2007-07-27 Thread glenda Goodman
Sally,  I did go back to your website later last
night...checked daylillies and the song by M. It kind
of touched my mood...The song...very good...Eric is
very talented at putting sites together. My son is
pretty tricky too , but not that tricky...My son does
the photo and ebay stuff. He  very good at that...
Anyway, about Junior:
 I'm so glad he is doing better. I know you are
holding on to hope for him. That is one thing about
this disease, for every ten people that give you no
hope, there is one with a success story or some type
of optimistic information that makes us know we have
to give it all we got to pull our little guys through.
I'm so sorry this disease has been so awful in your
family...You are an angel for trying so hard...My
heart is with Junior...
With my Gracie, I have never seen her show any signs
of sickness, yet. She is only 5-months old. She
contracted her leukemia from her mother.  All I have
been doing with her is giving her 500 mg of lysene per
day and a good vitamin tablet. I give her a small dab
of tuna or sardine with the crushed up tablets and she
licks her plate clean...very simple...
I am always seeing where people say the test results
are a  strong positive or a weak positive. The second
time Gracie was tested I looked at the test kit and
asked my vet if she was a weak pos. or a a strong pos.
My vet just said, that it did not matter...a positive
was a positive I remember with heartworm in dogs, it
does matter , a weak pos. or strong pos. Maybe that is
different...?  Later, Glenda
--- Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Glenda,
 
 I live in VA so nowhere near Fort Worth. I thought
 the duck suit was
 ridiculous, he is gorgeous on his own merit. I have
 never had a poly, but
 several of my kitties came from poly families and
 their paws look bigger, I
 always check Spike because her mother was a poly and
 she looks like she has
 buds of what could have been extra toes but that is
 all.
 
 I am so glad you are taking on Catcher's Cause. So
 may kitties needing home.
 I can only save one at a time.
 
 I am still amazed at Junior's progress. Last fall I
 thought he would not
 survive very long from the FeLV. He has has several
 infections and it all
 started with anemia. He felt soo bad and I
 did too. Not to mention
 losing three cats to this horrible disease. My
 household far exceeded the
 statistic for cats getting sick with FeLV. I am just
 lucky that way.(NOT)
 
 Juniors only symptoms that are visible now are
 enlarged lymph nodes behind
 his ears, glaucoma from an eye infection, and a
 permanently dilated eye also
 from uveitis. He sometimes sounds a little congested
 but never sneezes. Oh
 yes and he has hemaetomas in his ears.
 
 I am glad you went to my site. Everyone is welcome
 to look and join if they
 like. Eric set it up. The missing pictures are from
 a lady on another group.
 He lost some history during an upgrade and she never
 posted them again.
 
 I hope no news is food news. I am always glad when
 the group is quiet.
 
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RE: OT: OOPS, I HAVE BEEN ON PETFINDERS AGAIN...

2007-07-27 Thread glenda Goodman
Yes , Diane, Thanks...I certainly do intend to follow
up...even thought to call a foster that works through
this shelter and act a little dumb to see if they
might slip and tell me something...I do have a devious
side when it comes to helping animals...I'm really off
to work guys...Thanks, Glenda
--- Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Glenda, if you're not sure that Catcher has truly
 been adopted, maybe
 you should try calling again, to see if you can get
 a little peace of
 mind, or maybe talk to someone a little nicer.  Keep
 everything
 businesslike and try not to reveal annoyance, just,
 if they say he's
 adopted, mention that his picture is still up on the
 site, etc.  You
 might or might not want to tell them that you had
 already called.
 
 I've had bad experiences trying to adopt from our
 local humane society
 which is privately owned and which appears to think
 that it's more
 important to put a prospective owner through an
 incredibly stringent
 application process than it is to actually place
 pets in a home that
 might not be perfect from all standpoints but would
 be loving and happy.
 This same place has been shown to have a huge kill
 rate, including
 owners of lost pets coming in a few hours after the
 pet was lost only to
 find it had already been euthanized.  I can't fathom
 why so many of
 these places seem to lose sight of their mission,
 and for a place that's
 supposed to be based on compassion for animals, so
 many of them appear
 to have no compassion for the people who come to
 them.
 
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Re: To Glenda re. Catcher

2007-07-27 Thread glenda Goodman
Wendy, 
That is so sweet of you! Last night when I saw him on
petfinder.com I just fell in love with him. They put
him in that dumb little suit and I thought how he was
just so good natured and trying to please
everyone...so desperate to get adopted...I read what
they wrote, saying he had been in the shelter since
May and was starting to get depressed and how they
were going to put him out of his misery if he was not
adopted soon. 
Well, this mortified me. I'd never seen an ad on
petfinder say something so harsh, ever. Here we have a
beautiful, healthy animal and they are saying he will
be killed, because there is not room to keep him and
he is getting depressed. Well, I actually was crying
last night over this cat, wondering if I was too
late...I told everyone about him last night, because I
, knowing me, was probably hoping someone in or near
Fort Worth would help me somehow, if I needed a human
to be there to speak for him...I know how difficult it
can be adopting long distance. I would have asked my
son's dad, who goes down every week in the summer. He
hauls potatoes south and watermelons north. He used to
run 5-trucks, now he just runs his own, but has lots
of connections...I would have gotten that kitty a
ride, believe me...I was not going to let that cat
die! The bad thing is, I had not surfed petfinder. com
for a couple weeks,so did not know how long that ad
had been out.
Well, as you could see I let everyone know step by
step. I called the minute they opened this morning. My
last update was, I had only called once and got a lady
that did not offer a lot of info and just in general
gave me a bad feeling. I called back ,around their
lunch time, hoping to get lucky and get a nicer , more
helpful person. I did. A lady named Dorothy. She just
seemed a lot nicer, had a more thoughtful attitude.
She too, said the ID# on the cat was invalid... then I
 said , his name is Catcher. She recognized the name ,
because she said, there were several calls yesterday
asking about him. She left the phone for a few
minutes, said she would ask a worker about Catcher.
She finally came back and said an attendent told her
Catcher was adopted yesterday. I said, you mean he is
alive? She said, yes, he is alive. I felt like she was
telling me the truth. If only for the fact, I cannot
imagine a number of people who saw that ad, as
desperate as it was worded, did not panic like I did.
It was a very affective ad. Even the dumb duck suit
made people click to just see what was going on with
that cat...then they could read it...A lot of people
had to see it. 
They finally removed the ad tonight from the site. I
wish , under the circumstances , they would say
ADOPTED and leave it up...Then I think I would feel a
little more sure that he did get adopted. 
 I want to apologize to everyone for getting so
excited about this cat before I knew a lot...The only
thing good about how I handled this was, I was able to
get the word out fast and wonderful Wendy offered to
help me rescue the little guy...That fast action was
very important in this particular case. 
Again Wendy, THANK YOU SO MUCH! I'll be here for you
too, if you ever need any help from this part of the
country. 
Glenda 
 

--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Glenda,
 
 I have not read this thread until tonight.  I am
 going to call the shelter in the am and see what
 they say.  I live in Dallas and Fort Worth is the
 neighboring city.  I would be willing to drive over
 there Monday if you need me to spring him and get
 him to you.  I am sorry I did not read this sooner.
 
 :)
 Wendy
  
 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
 committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
 is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade
 ~~~
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 11:41:51 AM
 Subject: Re: OT: OOPS, I HAVE BEEN ON PETFINDERS
 AGAIN...
 
 
 Sally,  I did go back to your website later last
 night...checked daylillies and the song by M. It
 kind
 of touched my mood...The song...very good...Eric is
 very talented at putting sites together. My son is
 pretty tricky too , but not that tricky...My son
 does
 the photo and ebay stuff. He  very good at that...
 Anyway, about Junior:
 I'm so glad he is doing better. I know you are
 holding on to hope for him. That is one thing about
 this disease, for every ten people that give you no
 hope, there is one with a success story or some type
 of optimistic information that makes us know we have
 to give it all we got to pull our little guys
 through.
 I'm so sorry this disease has been so awful in your
 family...You are an angel for trying so hard...My
 heart is with Junior...
 With my Gracie, I have never seen her show any signs
 of sickness, yet. She is only 5-months old. She
 contracted her leukemia from her mother.  All I have
 been doing with her is giving her 500 mg of lysene
 per
 day and a good vitamin tablet. I give her

Re: To Glenda re. Catcher

2007-07-28 Thread glenda Goodman
Thank you so much Wendy...I needed that...
Just signed the petition...I am from California, so
thought I deserved to comment too...
 I said : Anyone who harms an animal deserves to be
punished the same as if they had harmed a human
child...really , that is true...
I hope someday we get a president in the White House
who actually does positive, radical things to change
the world...instead of just negative radical
things...just a thought...
--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey Glenda,
 
 I called the Fort Worth Animal Control, and asked
 about Catcher.  A lady named Dorothy, I'm sure the
 same one you spoke to, told me that he had been
 adopted.  I told her I had his number, but she
 didn't even ask for it; she already knew who I was
 talking about.  I asked when he had been adopted,
 and she said two days ago.  I didn't ask her
 anything else.  She seemed nice and I believed her
 when she said he'd been adopted.  I bet he went to a
 great family, with that cute suit!  
 
 :)
 Wendy
  
 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
 committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
 is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade
 ~~~
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 12:31:11 AM
 Subject: Re: To Glenda re. Catcher
 
 
 Wendy, 
 That is so sweet of you! Last night when I saw him
 on
 petfinder.com I just fell in love with him. They put
 him in that dumb little suit and I thought how he
 was
 just so good natured and trying to please
 everyone...so desperate to get adopted...I read what
 they wrote, saying he had been in the shelter since
 May and was starting to get depressed and how they
 were going to put him out of his misery if he was
 not
 adopted soon. 
 Well, this mortified me. I'd never seen an ad on
 petfinder say something so harsh, ever. Here we have
 a
 beautiful, healthy animal and they are saying he
 will
 be killed, because there is not room to keep him and
 he is getting depressed. Well, I actually was crying
 last night over this cat, wondering if I was too
 late...I told everyone about him last night, because
 I
 , knowing me, was probably hoping someone in or near
 Fort Worth would help me somehow, if I needed a
 human
 to be there to speak for him...I know how difficult
 it
 can be adopting long distance. I would have asked my
 son's dad, who goes down every week in the summer.
 He
 hauls potatoes south and watermelons north. He used
 to
 run 5-trucks, now he just runs his own, but has lots
 of connections...I would have gotten that kitty a
 ride, believe me...I was not going to let that cat
 die! The bad thing is, I had not surfed petfinder.
 com
 for a couple weeks,so did not know how long that ad
 had been out.
 Well, as you could see I let everyone know step by
 step. I called the minute they opened this morning.
 My
 last update was, I had only called once and got a
 lady
 that did not offer a lot of info and just in general
 gave me a bad feeling. I called back ,around their
 lunch time, hoping to get lucky and get a nicer ,
 more
 helpful person. I did. A lady named Dorothy. She
 just
 seemed a lot nicer, had a more thoughtful attitude.
 She too, said the ID# on the cat was invalid... then
 I
 said , his name is Catcher. She recognized the name
 ,
 because she said, there were several calls yesterday
 asking about him. She left the phone for a few
 minutes, said she would ask a worker about Catcher.
 She finally came back and said an attendent told her
 Catcher was adopted yesterday. I said, you mean he
 is
 alive? She said, yes, he is alive. I felt like she
 was
 telling me the truth. If only for the fact, I cannot
 imagine a number of people who saw that ad, as
 desperate as it was worded, did not panic like I
 did.
 It was a very affective ad. Even the dumb duck suit
 made people click to just see what was going on with
 that cat...then they could read it...A lot of people
 had to see it. 
 They finally removed the ad tonight from the site. I
 wish , under the circumstances , they would say
 ADOPTED and leave it up...Then I think I would feel
 a
 little more sure that he did get adopted. 
 I want to apologize to everyone for getting so
 excited about this cat before I knew a lot...The
 only
 thing good about how I handled this was, I was able
 to
 get the word out fast and wonderful Wendy offered to
 help me rescue the little guy...That fast action was
 very important in this particular case. 
 Again Wendy, THANK YOU SO MUCH! I'll be here for you
 too, if you ever need any help from this part of the
 country. 
 Glenda 
 
 
 --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi Glenda,
  
  I have not read this thread until tonight.  I am
  going to call the shelter in the am and see what
  they say.  I live in Dallas and Fort Worth is the
  neighboring city.  I would be willing to drive
 over
  there Monday if you need me to spring him and get
  him to you.  I am sorry I did

Re: Belinda, please add Miss Sue to the Candlelighting ceremony?

2007-07-28 Thread glenda Goodman
Anne, I'm sorry your little girl, Miss Sue, is gone.
She obviously knew she was loved. It sounds like you
took very good care of her...It has to be very hard
after having her for so long...Glenda and family
--- anne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Belinda,
Miss Sue was not feline leukemia positive.  She
 was with me for 8 years and was 10 years old.  She
 died suddenly on Friday.  I suspect her poor heart
 as she was obese and although I was working on it
 with her and thought some progress was being made
 over the last year, it was very slow going.  I
 suspect she had a metabolic disorder, though, as her
 coat was always greasy and flecked with
 dandruff-like particles, ever since I first got her.
 
 She was a sweet and never complaining girl, very
 friendly to humans who visited, which is an oddity
 in itself at my house.  Most of my cats run and hide
 until the stranger is gone.  She always purred when
 I pet her and loved being combed and watching birds
 out the window.
 
 She was white with tabby-like striped patches. 
 She was loved by all who knew her.  
 
 Thanks, Belinda,
 Anne and angels Jimi Too Cool, Simms, Buggsy and
 Nala, all feline leukemia positive and lots of other
 fur covered friends in MI, including Sophie, who
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Re: Valtrex toxic for cats or effective FeLV treatment

2007-07-29 Thread glenda Goodman
Hi Quentin,
It sounds like you are just about where I am in being
informed about how to treat a FeLV+ kitten. I came to
this group to learn all I could from the people here,
who that have been here, for a while and are
experienced in caring for their Feline Leukemia
Positive Kitties.
 I have read every post for a month and have never
seen anyone mention Valtrex. Where did you see where
Valtrex might be helpful in the treatment of FeLV?
 My five month old kitten was one of six kittens who
contracted FeLV through her mother. Her mother tested
positive, as did a couple of her siblings. I do not
know if all siblings tested positive, but I did read
if the mother is positive 100% of the kittens will
test positive.
My kitten had been bounced around to seven different
homes before she came to me. I am counting the shelter
she came from, three foster homes, then to me , then
two more foster homes, then back to me. She is with me
now. We are getting a routine... Her situation is not
perfect , because she has to be seperated from my
other cats and spends a lot of time alone. I try to
give her a couple hours each day of love and time with
me. I do let her in the yard to climb trees and follow
me around while I weed and work in my flowers. Then it
is back to a small area in my basement where she is
now free outside of her large dog kennel and has her
food, water,toys...She is a very loving ,sweet, social
and energetic little girl and hates being alone. I'm
telling you this , because it is not perfect, but
probably less stressfull than being unsure of her
environment and not having any security.She does feel
at home now... 
If you have only your one little girl kitty, she
should have no stress in her life and obviously all
your love.  
I'm still trying to understand the difference between
faint positives and strong positives...From what I
have been reading, a faint, could mean either, she was
just exposed or she is early into her disease?  I have
a vet that simply told me, a positive is a positive.
She would not tell me if my little girl was faint or
strong, but it looked quite clear to me ,so it was
probaly a strong pos. My vet does try to be gentle
with me. When it was realized my kitten was infected
through her mother, my vet did give me hope by saying,
often when the virus comes through the queen, the
kittens have a good chance of throwing it. Then I hear
too if it is an exposure, they have a good chance of
throwing it. 
I give my kitten 500mg of Lysine a day and a
multi-vitamin and a good diet. I really appreciated
Wendy's advice to you and for now I'd would go with
what she is telling you. There are so many good ideas
here and it is great to have these people with all
their accumulated information and experience to advise
you. If I were a vet, I would try to learn from these
guys. Sadly, most vets are not as informed as we all
might hope...That is why we are here..
.Again, where did you come up with the Valtrex idea?
For all we know, you may have come across something
important, that none of us have seen yet? However, it
is probably best to go with the medications and
supplements proven effective and safe over time...
I'm glad you found this group. You will really enjoy
and learn from these guys. Glenda
  
 
--- Quentin Sonnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a sweet little black with white tip 
 girl and I took her to the vet to get treated and
 wormed. We had her tested and she had a very faint
 positive for FeLV. I've been reading up on
 treatments and anti virals and I was wondering if it
 would be a good/ bad idea to give her low dose of
 valtrex? Any help or ideas would be greatly
 appreciated. The kitten is about 4 months old and
 VERY energetic.
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Re: Plz add Felicity to the candlelight service

2007-07-29 Thread glenda Goodman
Gloria, 
I'm very sorry to hear of your loss. I can tell
Felicity had a good life with you. Bless your heart!
May, when it is our time to go, we are as lucky as
Felicity was to be surrounded by so much love...
Is B.B. a new addition to your family and is  she/he, 
FeLV+. 
Are Chloe and Oliver doing well? It sounds like these
original kitties came from the same home...was it from
someone elderly or  who has since passed away?
 Anyway, you are an angel, I might add... Glenda
--- Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We received 4 FELV kitties from a lady in Oklahoma
 back in 2005.   
 They were all about 8-9 years old at that time. One
 died shortly  
 after, a very fat sweet kitty but think the move
 upset her and she  
 stopped eating.  Long story.
 
 Felicity died 2 days ago - the morning of July 27. 
 She had been  
 going downhill and was anemic.  She was a shy kitty,
 about 10-11  
 years old.  She was not easy to medicate, was not
 much into human  
 contact, but was a pretty white girl with black ears
 and tail.  She  
 leaves her pals Oliver and Chloe, both 10-11 years
 old, and her new  
 friend B.B. (about 4 yrs old).  Chloe and I sat with
 Felicity quite a  
 while as she was gently fading away. She will be
 missed.
 
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Re: Valtrex toxic for cats or effective FeLV treatment

2007-07-30 Thread glenda Goodman
Hi Quentin, 
I'm sure more than a couple of us will get back to you
on this post, as there are a couple things you said
here some of us might know about and want to comment
on.  I'm only going to give you feedback on the $$
issue.
I live in Nebraska, farm country. We have always been
able to purchase our cat/dog vaccinations over the
counter, everything except the rabies vaccine. They
want the animals documented for rabies, so that must
go through the vet. 
I noticed about a year ago, the Feline Leukemia
vaccine must also now be given by your vet. You can no
longer buy it over the counter. In the past, I would
administer all my vaccinations to my cats and dog,
except the rabies. The over the counter cost was
roughly $4.00 for the Feline
Rhinotracheitis-Calici-Panleukopenia-Chamydia Psittaci
Vaccine:( the Flu vaccine). Your kitten needs two of
these, spaced about a month apart, then a booster
every year...The Feline Leukemia Vaccine was about
$6.00.Your kitten needs two of these too...Then a
yearly booster...Things are changing a bit now and it
is thougt we might be over vaccinating...
 In the past, I boostered everyone, every year and
felt proud of myself for saving at least $40.00 per
cat. (I now have six cats...) (My cost to do it myself
was about 11.00 per cat.) The Leukemia vaccination
from the vet was close to $30.00 and the Feline
Rhino-combo was around $26.00. Some vets tack on that
office visit charge, as they might call it a check-up.
You can purchase your de-worming meds over the
counter, but it does help to know what type of worms
your cat might have , if any, and get the correct
wormer.  Your vet has the better wormers. ...As you
know, indoor and outdoor cat worming needs, are a lot
different.Outdoor cats are constantly getting
tapeworms,for example...
Quentin, I noticed the other day Foster and Smith
sells different vaccines through the mail , as I'm
sure a lot of other pet suppliers do. However, I
believe it depends on which state you are in and what
their laws are...I noticed with the Foster and Smith
catalog they were asking for a prescription from your
vet...
I do wonder why, all of the sudden, the laws have
changed in Nebraska where we can no longer purchase
the Feline Leukemia Vaccine over the counter. I think
this is a very bad change, because now, the
responsible farmers, with large cat populations might
bypass vaccinating their farm cats completely, for
Leukemia...The  FeLV vaccination from the vet is
26.00- 33.00 here in Nebraska. The FeLv/FIV test is, 
$ 33.00-$42.00 in my area...
Spay and neuter is getting more expensive too. Spay is
around $125.00 Neuter is around, $85.00. They are also
adding pain management and some type of blood gas test
before the spay/neuter to make sure your animal will
survive the procedure...These tests add another $60.00
or so on to the bill? You can always bypass these
services and say, not to worry about pain management
or ah, let's just see if my animal can make it through
the spay /neuter and not die...like they make you feel
like a bad parent or something, if you refuse those
little add ons...I know I want to be a good parent ,so
I'm stuck...
You might have a heart to heart with your vet and ask
him to take it a little easier on you, especially
since you are dealing with a FeLV+ kitty and it is
really hard right now. I know a lot of vets really try
and help shelter animals out and maybe they are
picking up their losses charging their customers so
much. Tell your vet you are working with curing your
kitty and tell him you have a great group of people on
this list and you are a bio major...the whole thing
and this is a project of love for you...And, actually
since you are so hands on here your vet should be
willing to work with you on this...Your vet might
learn something...JUST A THOUGHT..I think you do
deserve a break...Bless your heart and good luck with
your kitty. HANG IN THERE!
Glenda
 
--- Quentin Sonnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 To be completly honest I have no idea what test it
 was. I feel like I was overcharged $105 for felt/fiv
 test deworming and nasal flu vaccine. Is this
 normal. I'm a college senior and my income is
 moddest to say the least but was this a far price? I
 know the test kit was a small white plastic bowl
 that had a faint positive for the felv antigen but
 not antibody? Being bio major I thought that was
 weird. The vet mentioned that would indicate it got
 the antibody from its mother but not the virus. This
 kitten has an abnormal eye that is receeded so I'm
 thinking its mother tranmited it. I'll look into the
 lysine diet sup. Also are anti oxidants a good bet?
 I was thinking about giving her low doses of xango.
 
 Quentin Sonnier
 
 On Jul 29, 2007, at 1:14 PM, Pat Kachur
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 We think Mandy has only had the virus for about 5
 months--but only because the vision problem began at
 that time so it is really just a guess.  The vet
 said that the virus may attack most any part of the
 cat and 

Re: Looking to adopt an FeLV+ playmate for her other positive

2007-07-30 Thread glenda Goodman
Hi Belinda,
 Gosh, this could be a perfect situation for my
Gracie, BUT it really is a scary thought, sending my
adored kitty across the country to a situation I
cannot observe first hand.Also , subjecting her to
another move...
 My Gracie does want a playmate so badly and it breaks
my heart to keep her so secluded. I will say, my
Gracie is absolutely enchanting as cats go... Anyone
would be smitten with her immediately. She is my
little sidekick and so smart and playful...These
people would really have to pass the tenth degree and
being so long distance, not sure how we could work it
out. Have they been working hard to help their cat
throw the virus? I continue to work with Gracie and
have a little bit of hope ,but am not going to hold my
breath...She is only 5-months old and contracted the
virus through her mother...The fact she could throw
the virus maybe makes it wiser to not consider these
options yet? However,just for the heck of it, I will
email these, I'm sure, lovely people, and talk cats
with them...Maybe they should join this list?
Thank You! Glenda 
--- Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi All,
Got this email this morning, anyone got adoptees
 available??  I don't 
 know this person or anything about them so caution
 is advised:
 
  Hi, we recently lost our cat to Felv and are
 looking for a felv+ companion for our other cat, who
 is 2 and is felv+.  Do you have any Felv+ cats or
 kittens that are healthy and do not have FIV that
 are available to adopt?  We would like a cat that is
 under four years old, up date on all other shots,
 and doesn't have a large history of health problems.
  *We live in Farmington Hills, a suburb in the Metro
 Detroit area*.  Thanks for you time, Kerri - contact
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RE:Vaccinating kittens of unknown status against FeLV?

2007-08-02 Thread glenda Goodman
Malone, 
Hi !
How I am understanding this is: 
Your kitten Sox. was too young to test for FeLv/FIV.
The vet went ahead, looked at your kitten. assumed he
was healthy and decided to just give him his first
vaccination for FeLV. 
I am guessing after Sox passed away, at nine months of
age, you started to research his background...You
learned that his mother had tested positive and his
siblings, obviously all had the virus too, contracted
through the mother. I have read, an infected Queen
infects 100% of the offspring...
 Your kitty, that you have now was also vaccinated,
right? Did this kitty live with Sox? Do you think this
kitty contracted the virus from Sox? Had you ever had
this kitty tested in the past and at one time was his
test negative? 
I'm glad you are here and there are some very well
informed, wonderful people here, who will share
everything they have learned with you to help you take
care of the kitty you have. From what I am learning,
older kitties that are only exposed to the virus can
sometimes throw the virus, but you need to build up
your kitty's immune system and keep your kitty free of
stress...How old is the kitty you have now? You have
not asked any real questions...Ask away and you will
get lots of help and emotional support...The best of
luck to you and do not be afraid to fight this awful
disease with the help of the friends you will find
here. Glenda 
--- Malone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I was told I didn't need to test anymore by my vet
 that Sox was healthy, and
 he was vaccinated. I wish I had waited until he was
 a few weeks older,
 tested him, and then I would have known. He died at
 9 months, and he had
 been vaccinated. His mother had FeLV, but at the
 time I didn't know. She was
 a feral that wasn't caught until the month after he
 died. All his litter
 mates died as well. I really still know nothing
 about this virus other than
 the fact it is heart wrenching to see a beloved pet
 die. I will always test.
 Now my baby boy, who has been vaccinated, has
 contracted the virus. He is
 healthy, and I try to learn from people here how to
 keep him healthy. 
 
 



   

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Re: Hi everyone. New here. Need help with my kitty please.

2007-08-03 Thread glenda Goodman
Hi Beckie, 
I have been reading your posts, but am still learning
myself...so have been leaving it up to those who have
been involved with these problems longer than myself. 
Until the day my vet told me my kitten had just tested
positive for FeLV, I just cared for my cats the way I
assumed,  was how you were suppose to care for your
cats. This was:
 You spay/ neuter, deworm and vaccinate, according to
what were the recommended vaccinations and on which
schedules, then you boostered your cats every year
after that and dewormed when neccessary. You must also
feed a good quality cat food and everything should
be fine...I am only a couple months away from that
particular way of thinking...
Some of the people, who are very well informed, here,
do not even vaccinate! This was very shocking to me.
However , we are learning, just lately, information is
coming up, that is showing, we have been over
vaccinating...There is so much to learn...
I was really glad to find out it was not Moe making
the kitchen messes...You have gotten excellent advice
from these guys on that...Cats can be very emotional
and they each have their way of getting back to you
when they are upset. I know dogs can be the same
way...There should be a diplomatic way to solve the
kitchen mess problem with your tricky little
kitty...obviously, an insecurity problem...
My heart is with you Beckie on the FeLV issues. Like
everyone here , you are a loving , caring individual
who takes the time, to love, appreciate and take the
responsibility to do right by your kitty family. The
best of luck to you and your boyfriend and bless your
hearts! Thank you for being here...
Glenda

--- Beckie McRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi everyone.
 My name is Beckie. I'm 25 and live in Iowa with my
 boyfriend and 3 cats
 (2 of whom are FLV positive). I'm hoping you guys
 can help me.
 
 I have a cat named Moe and he's about 3 and has FLV.
 About 3 weeks ago,
 I noticed some bumps around his neck and on his
 back, and he started to
 lose his hair. I took him to the vet, and she said
 it was an
 environmental allergy, gave him some meds and sent
 us home. Well the
 meds just made him worse, so the next week I took
 him back, and this
 time he had a severe infection in his eye and
 tapeworms. This time,
 different meds, and ointment for his eye. STILL not
 better. 
 This time I took him in to the vet and told them I
 wasn't leaving until
 he was better. That was Wed. They gave him a shot
 for the tapeworms,
 Frontline for some fleas, his eye was better so more
 ointment, and Sat.
 he seemed fine. Now today when we woke up he had
 gone to the bathroom in
 the kitchen (which he did when he was originally
 really sick), and as
 soon as he sees either one of us, he runs and hides.
 He also has FLV.
 I'm worried sick, and don't know what to do. Anyone
 else here ever deal
 with something like this? 
 
 Also, what's the best way to clean up the mess in
 the kitchen? I want to
 eliminate the odor so he won't go in there again!
 
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Re: My little Moe man.

2007-08-03 Thread glenda Goodman
Beckie, 
I have dealt several times, over 20-years, with three
different cats on the UTI issues. I forgot about
that...
Miles could be trying to tell you something,
especially this howling outside the bathroom door
stuff... I am sure everyone here, finds it
amazing,every day, how our cats try to communicate
with us to tell us things...
UTI is very painfull to cats. Read up on the signs,
such as a pinkish tinge in the urine...or straining
over the litter box and only going a drop if
that...Also, when a kitty, that never sprayed, starts
spraying, the first thing I think is UTI. UTI can kill
a cat very quickly, if not addressed,  once it gets to
a certain point, where a cat simply cannot pass
urine...It is very dangerous. If allowed to progress
to the point where surgery is needed it gets very
expensive...Usually, just crystal disolving medication
and diet adjustments solve the problem...I do know
about UTI.
Glenda
--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Beckie,
 
 I second the thought on the UTI (Urinary Tract
 Infection).  You'll also want to get Miles' urine
 tested to rule this out b/c peeing in strange places
 is often a sign of this.  Good thinking Melissa and
 Kelley.
 
 :)
 Wendy
  
 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
 committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
 is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret
 Meade ~~~
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2007 11:17:38 PM
 Subject: Re: My little Moe man.
 
 
 Beckie,
  
 Yes, it can definitely be behavioral!  Smart of you
 to figure this out!  However, you might want to get
 bloodwork done on Miles to rule out anything
 physiological.
  
 I would think that any extreme temperature changes
 would not be good for FeLV+ kitties.  Keeping them
 stress free is very important.
  
 Please keep us posted on Moe and Miles!
 :)
 Wendy
  
 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
 committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
 is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret
 Meade ~~~
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Beckie McRae [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2007 11:18:21 AM
 Subject: My little Moe man.
 
 
 Hi everyone.
  
 Thanks for the responses.  I had them do blood work
 on him, and its fine, he¢s eating like a cow, and
 drinking like a camel.
 Something that I discovered today is that it¢s NOT
 him going to the bathroom in the kitchen; it¢s our
 OTHER FLV+ cat, Miles.  Now Miles is about 4 years
 old, seems perfectly healthy, eats and drinks,
 plays, etc.  I HAVE noticed that last couple of
 weeks though he¢s been being REALLY affectionate,
 and I haven¢t been able to spend as much time with
 him and Holly (our 5 year old cat who does NOT have
 felv)  as I usually do because I¢ve been so busy
 with Moe.  Is it possible that Miles has started to
 use the kitchen as his own personal bathroom because
 he¢s jealous of the attention that Moe is getting
 and trying to get our attention?  I KNOW it¢s Miles,
 because he didn¢t hear me get up this morning, and
 Moe was lying on my pillow next to my head (like he
 normally does), and I got up went out to the
 kitchen, and he must not have heard me, because I
 caught him red handed doing his business.  I made
 loud noises, and stuff, but I don¢t know why
  he¢s doing this.  He has been acting kind of weird.
  Like if we¢re in the bathroom taking a shower or
 using the toilet and the door is closed, he¢ll sit
 outside it and just HOWL.  Never did this until a
 few weeks ago.  I figured it was because he was
 worried about Moe, but now not so sure.
  
 Also, how much does heat effect felv?
 We LOVE the heat, and try not to use the air
 conditioner, but it¢s going to get pretty warm here
 in the next week or so, and I was just wondering if
 I should turn the air on for the cats?
  
 Thanks again everyone.  I¢m so glad I found you all!
  
 Beckie 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: My little Moe man.

2007-08-03 Thread glenda Goodman
Beckie, 
I have dealt several times, over 20-years, with three
different cats on the UTI issues. I forgot about
that...
Miles could be trying to tell you something,
especially this howling outside the bathroom door
stuff... I am sure everyone here, finds it
amazing,every day, how our cats try to communicate
with us to tell us things...
UTI is very painfull to cats. Read up on the signs,
such as a pinkish tinge in the urine...or straining
over the litter box and only going a drop if
that...Also, when a kitty, that never sprayed, starts
spraying, the first thing I think is UTI. UTI can kill
a cat very quickly, if not addressed,  once it gets to
a certain point, where a cat simply cannot pass
urine...It is very dangerous. If allowed to progress
to the point where surgery is needed it gets very
expensive...Usually, just crystal disolving medication
and diet adjustments solve the problem...I do know
about UTI.
Glenda
--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Beckie,
 
 I second the thought on the UTI (Urinary Tract
 Infection).  You'll also want to get Miles' urine
 tested to rule this out b/c peeing in strange places
 is often a sign of this.  Good thinking Melissa and
 Kelley.
 
 :)
 Wendy
  
 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
 committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
 is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret
 Meade ~~~
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2007 11:17:38 PM
 Subject: Re: My little Moe man.
 
 
 Beckie,
  
 Yes, it can definitely be behavioral!  Smart of you
 to figure this out!  However, you might want to get
 bloodwork done on Miles to rule out anything
 physiological.
  
 I would think that any extreme temperature changes
 would not be good for FeLV+ kitties.  Keeping them
 stress free is very important.
  
 Please keep us posted on Moe and Miles!
 :)
 Wendy
  
 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
 committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
 is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret
 Meade ~~~
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Beckie McRae [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2007 11:18:21 AM
 Subject: My little Moe man.
 
 
 Hi everyone.
  
 Thanks for the responses.  I had them do blood work
 on him, and its fine, he¢s eating like a cow, and
 drinking like a camel.
 Something that I discovered today is that it¢s NOT
 him going to the bathroom in the kitchen; it¢s our
 OTHER FLV+ cat, Miles.  Now Miles is about 4 years
 old, seems perfectly healthy, eats and drinks,
 plays, etc.  I HAVE noticed that last couple of
 weeks though he¢s been being REALLY affectionate,
 and I haven¢t been able to spend as much time with
 him and Holly (our 5 year old cat who does NOT have
 felv)  as I usually do because I¢ve been so busy
 with Moe.  Is it possible that Miles has started to
 use the kitchen as his own personal bathroom because
 he¢s jealous of the attention that Moe is getting
 and trying to get our attention?  I KNOW it¢s Miles,
 because he didn¢t hear me get up this morning, and
 Moe was lying on my pillow next to my head (like he
 normally does), and I got up went out to the
 kitchen, and he must not have heard me, because I
 caught him red handed doing his business.  I made
 loud noises, and stuff, but I don¢t know why
  he¢s doing this.  He has been acting kind of weird.
  Like if we¢re in the bathroom taking a shower or
 using the toilet and the door is closed, he¢ll sit
 outside it and just HOWL.  Never did this until a
 few weeks ago.  I figured it was because he was
 worried about Moe, but now not so sure.
  
 Also, how much does heat effect felv?
 We LOVE the heat, and try not to use the air
 conditioner, but it¢s going to get pretty warm here
 in the next week or so, and I was just wondering if
 I should turn the air on for the cats?
  
 Thanks again everyone.  I¢m so glad I found you all!
  
 Beckie 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Isabella update and what seems to be working for us.

2007-08-03 Thread glenda Goodman
Laurie,
I have been busy the last couple days, but wanted to
let you know that I have been following your posts
concerning Isabella. I am excited for her progress. I
have been feeling so sorry for her and for all, you
guys, have been going through. It is so great to hear
the good news! 
Thank you,
Glenda
--- laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks Sally for this note of encouragement! We
 appreciate it ~ gives us hope!
 Laurie
   - Original Message - 
   From: Sally Davis 
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
   Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 6:14 PM
   Subject: Re: Isabella update and what seems to be
 working for us.
 
 
   Hi Laurie, 
 
   I am so happy for you. I know you went though what
 I went through when Junior and Tiny tested positive
 for FELV last fall. I plan on going though Junior's
 medical records. He is close to the 1 year mark from
 when he became anemic. Unfortunately Tiny did not
 make it and he was asymptomatic. I believe he died
 from a blood clot to the lungs or heart. It was very
 quick.   
 
   Junior like Isabella had a very rocky road for at
 least two months maybe three months. I really was
 not sure he would make it. He ran fevers after being
 anemic, which was probably hemobartella for which he
 was treated. He then got a URI and and eye infection
 that turned into uveitis plus caused glaucoma in his
 damaged eye from a previous injury.  With little
 money I did what I could for him. The remaining
 negative cats all 9 of them were vaccinated and
 later mixed. The infections were treated as they
 came along and right from the start he was given the
 IR protocol, which cleared up some gingivitis that
 he had as well. Infections were the worst because
 they take three times as long to clear up. The cats
 doesn't eat as well. 
 
   I did not do the interferon because the vet never
 got on board. He also got Petinic in the beginning,
 lysine, CoQ10, as well as Transfer Factor Plus and
 better cat food. I sometimes had to get baby food to
 get all the supplements in him. We are now
 maintaining with, Wellness Transfer Factor, Manopol,
 and Salmon oil. Oh yes he gets the controversial
 Metacam for pain. He still has swollen Lymph nodes
 they were tested and was only his body fighting
 infection.   The glaucoma causes pain and they lymph
 node aspiration had shown inflammation as well, the
 Metacam takes care of both. He has finally gained
 weight up to almost 13 pounds up from less than 11
 at one time. He looks great and feels much better.
 It is always one day at a time, I am so happy. For
 those who do not know Junior turned 5 last spring.
 Junior and I both say thanks to this group. 
 
   Isabella is at the point where she should continue
 to do better if Junior is any example. My feeling is
 getting them past the initial infection stage in the
 first three months, gives them a better chance of
 living a few years, Junior is a blessing. JMO 
 
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Re: OT: To Beckie, Air Conditioner

2007-08-03 Thread glenda Goodman
Hi Melissa, I just want to say hello to you since we
are neighbors and dealing with the same climates,
even...It has been wonderful these last couple days
here in the western panhandle of Nebraska...hope your
area has been cooler too. 
It is true the kitties do get wiped out from the
heat...Now that I am dealing with my FeLV+ kitty I am
constantly paranoid when I notice one of my other guys
sleeping more than usual or not as active...These
cooler days do put more pep in the kitties. I
appreciate your take on this...Have a great day! 
Glenda
--- Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Beckie,
 
  
 
 I forgot to mention about the air-ours was broken
 for 3 weeks during some of
 the hottest weather before we could finally get a
 guy to come fix it!
 Luckily we had a basement, so the kitties could go
 down there if they felt
 too hot. Mostly they would just lie around the
 house. They played a lot less
 than usual-they seemed pretty exhausted from the
 heat. I know we filled
 their water dishes much more than before. 
 
  
 
 So, I guess I would say, it was pretty uncomfortable
 for them. Most of them
 are healthy, so it was easier for them, but for a
 sick cat, I think the heat
 would be much worse. If you have ceiling fans or
 other fans going for some
 circulation, I think it would be better for the
 cats-or a basement too. We
 moved their food dishes down there to encourage them
 to spend more time in
 the cool basement.
 
  
 
 Once our air was fixed, I noticed that our kitties
 were much happier and
 more playful. I would say you don't have to have a
 freezing cold house, but
 maybe running the air once in a while to remove the
 humidity would be good
 and keeping the air circulating is smart too. 
 
  
 
 We don't love the heat, but we don't mind it a
 little warm either, so I know
 what you are feeling. We like to use the air as
 little as possible, not
 because we're cheap, but because we like the sounds
 of the outdoors, the
 birds, the breeze, etc. I always feel cooped up when
 we have to shut the
 windows. Someday we'd like to finish the basement
 which would be a nice
 summer retreat with naturally cooled air. I think
 you said you live in
 Iowa-I'm from Nebraska, and if our climates are
 similar, it's the humidity
 that becomes unbearable more than the heat! :-) 
 
  
 
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Re: EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!! House fire!!!

2007-08-05 Thread glenda Goodman
How very sad. This is near  where I was raised...so I
can feel it very deeply. I have heard San Francisco
has become very progressive in caring for it's
homeless pet populations, as well as everything to do
with controlling it's pet populations.Is anyone
familiar with their policies, as I am always
interested in learning the different secrets of
success.I think Las Vegas, Nevada is another such
place??? 
Anyway, it would seem, if this is the case ,with a
fair amount of publicity to make people aware of this
tragedy, there might be an out pouring of sympathy for
these cats...I guess I am just being hopeful? I do,
however have faith in my fellow Californians...I'm so
sorry for everyone involved...Glenda
--- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 At 10:08 PM 8/4/2007, you wrote:
 
 
 
 I believe it started in the basement wiring and
 moves up
 We could not talk too much today but she will be
 online again tomorrow..
 Kelly
 
 Also, I know you mentioned it was electrical - but
 do you know 
 exactly how it happened?  Was it from a dryer or
 something?
 How many cats does shw have in her apartment for
 adoption?
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 To:

mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 11:00 PM
 Subject: Re: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!!
 
 This is awful -- I did not understand the part you
 said only 7 or so 
 accounted for -- does is mean 7 cats got out of the
 house and they are missing?
 - Original Message -
 From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kelly L
 To:

mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 5:54 PM
 Subject: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!!
 
 We all know Susan Hoffman...moderator of FIV2 group
 and wonderful
 helper to ALL OF US 
 
 This morning at 5am her home caught on fire,,She
 has many many cats
 there and was in the process of doing a lot of
 kitten
 adoptions,,,Fortunately the cats were saved and
 only 7 or so
 accounted for,,she is looking for them
 
 Please Please Please,,,Anyone willing to take in
 any for adoptionsd
 as she will not be able to adopt out for the
 remainder of this
 seasonAnyone one with any connections to
 rescue groups Please
 contact he
 The 2 cell phones she can be reached at are
 
 415  238-8057 and 415  830-0026
 
 Her email is

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
 She will be checking at internet cafes etc until
 she can get back on
 her own...she is currently in a one bedroom
 apartment with many ,,too
 many firghtened cats
 The fire was electrical,,
 Please cross post
 you can also contact me
 Kelly  at 559   645-5050 or 559 978-1184
 
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Re: Vaccinating kittens of unknown status against FeLV?

2007-08-05 Thread glenda Goodman
Hi guys,
Yesterday I took my two sibling kittens in for their
second feline leukemia vaccination. My little poly
guys I got out of Arizona...They had their first
vacination June 30th...
Anyway, I had not had them tested before their first
vaccination, because their mother tested negative and
they had been kept away from other cats...I want to
trust that they were before I got them. Their foster
mom told me she kept them in her bathroom with their
mother, while they were still nursing. Things do
happen, but I also felt they were too young to subject
to a test before I got them at roughly 8-weeks of age.
I vaccinated them for the first time at about 11-weeks
and the second at 15-weeks. There are a lot of people
out there that probably think I was very wrong, but I
do believe in vaccinating, especially now more than
ever ,because I have one FeLV+ kitty in our family of
seven kitties. I do keep her completely isolated. I
NEVER let her mix. There have been times she has
touched noses through a screen or crack in the door...
with one of my vaccinated cats...I wash my hands a
lot...the whole thing...She is only allowed outside
with me while I'm working in my yard or she stays in
her room.
My cats have always been vaccinated and in the past,
have always been boostered every year. 
I do realize, as a group, we know more than any vet
out there, but yesterday, I told my vet some of you
guys believed a  FeLV vaccination might make a
negative cat test positive. She said that could not
happen ,because it is a killed virus... I think people
are getting mixed up with the FIV vaccine ,which does
make a negative cat test positive. I also have a hard
time believing, if your cat is positive and you
vaccinate, it could kick the disease into gear...I
think I ran that past my vet ,but she just did not
know ,but I'm sure she is doubtful. Yesterday I had
put my little boy kitty, of the pair down to be
tested, but after discussing things with the vet and
vet tech, thinking is was a slim to nonexistant chance
my guys could be positive, I have decided to wait. I
eventually will have everyone tested...
At one time or another everyone has been tested,
except my 12-13 year old...He has been with me all
those years and vaccinated...but he has been
indoor/outdoor. I , of course feel nervous and scared
or I'm sure I would have done the tests already...I
have not recovered from the news on my recently
addition, Gracie, testing positive...As most of us
know and have experienced it is gut wrenching when
that test comes back positive...Your heart falls out
of your chest, to put it mildly...Because we are only
human, not perfect, I think too, we all have our
favorie cats...For a favorite , most adored, I can
only imagine...Everyone have a good day!
Glenda

--- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 In my opinion I would vaccinate.  My positives were
 vaccinated before testing positive and it did them
 no harm.  There is always a chance that you might
 pick up a stray cat and bring it home and then your
 cats would not be vaccinated.  I do not re-vaccinate
 except every 3 years, but I do start out with the 2
 vaccines.  I think the vaccine has been proven by
 those on this list to do more good than harm.   I do
 not worry at all about mixing a positive cat with my
 vaccinated cats.

   tonya
 
 Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Cassandra
 My vet thinks that many of the health problems that
 both cats and dogs 
 are facing is the result of
 over vaccination. I would not vaccinate such young
 cats, and I would 
 research the Felk vaccine before
 I would ever consider it for basically indoor cats.
 The Felk 
 vaccination is still controversial and vets at
 the University of Penn do not consider it safe.
 Google over vaccination of dogs and cats and check
 out the published 
 research by the University
 of Colorado and Penn, and Dr Ronald Schultz and Dr.
 Jean Dodds.
 
 Jane 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Jul 31, 2007, at 5:16 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote:
 
  Felv vaccination is NOT standard - my vet never
 recommend to kitties 
  who are low risk as Felk vaccines will have a
 potential side effects 
  -- and do not give all the vaccines
 simultaneoulsy, it's too much for 
  a kitten, and always use killed vaccines and not
 modifies version.  
  It's standard -- it's easy money generating thing
 for a vet clinic -
   
  If a kitty goes outside, felk vaccine is
 considerend, but I hope you 
  will wait a little longer - to give it to them..
 also, need to give it 
  separately from the time you give other vaccines
 --
  - Original Message -
  From: Susan Dubose
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:45 PM
  Subject: Re: Vaccinating kittens of unknown
 status against FeLV?
 
  I would always test prior to vaccinating.
   
  But that is just me.
   
   
  Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
As Cleopatra
 lay in state,

Re: To Glenda Re: using the media for the fire/Leslie's miracle story

2007-08-05 Thread glenda Goodman
Wendy, I thought of that...I know in general, anyone
with a lot of cats is considered wacky...I do know ,
however ,no matter what people think of the people
involved, the kitties will get sympathy. I just was
not sure if she could project herself as a
shelter/rescue...It was just a thought to munch
on...Thank you for bringing this point up...It is a
very excellent/true observation...Glenda
--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey Glenda,
 
 The thing we may have to be careful of in this
 situation is the media.  They might put Susan in her
 one bedroom apartment with all those cats on TV, and
 I don't know what the pet limit laws are in San
 Francisco, but I'm betting animal control will get
 involved.  If the media only covered the fire and
 gave out Susan's contact info., that would be great,
 but I'm betting they'll want to know where the cats
 are now for the story, which probably wouldn't be
 good.  
 
 The media, however, can be used for good in some
 situations.  We had a member here, Leslie, back in
 October whose cats got carjacked in Washington
 state, if you can believe it!  Thanks to the media
 (TV coverage), she got both her wonderful cats back
 in a matter of time, a couple of days or so.  The
 thief left the car with the windows open in a retail
 area, and the cats got out.  It is a miracle they
 weren't killed.  One was found at a shelter and the
 other hanging around one of the stores, I believe. 
 It's one of my all time favorite stories now.  
 
 :)
 Wendy
  
 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
 committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
 is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade
 ~~~
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2007 2:02:05 AM
 Subject: Re: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!!
 
 
 How very sad. This is near  where I was raised...so
 I
 can feel it very deeply. I have heard San Francisco
 has become very progressive in caring for it's
 homeless pet populations, as well as everything to
 do
 with controlling it's pet populations.Is anyone
 familiar with their policies, as I am always
 interested in learning the different secrets of
 success.I think Las Vegas, Nevada is another such
 place??? 
 Anyway, it would seem, if this is the case ,with a
 fair amount of publicity to make people aware of
 this
 tragedy, there might be an out pouring of sympathy
 for
 these cats...I guess I am just being hopeful? I do,
 however have faith in my fellow Californians...I'm
 so
 sorry for everyone involved...Glenda
 --- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  At 10:08 PM 8/4/2007, you wrote:
  
  
  
  I believe it started in the basement wiring and
  moves up
  We could not talk too much today but she will be
  online again tomorrow..
  Kelly
  
  Also, I know you mentioned it was electrical -
 but
  do you know 
  exactly how it happened?  Was it from a dryer or
  something?
  How many cats does shw have in her apartment for
  adoption?
  - Original Message -
  From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]HIDEYO
  YAMAMOTO
  To:
 

mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 11:00 PM
  Subject: Re: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!!
  
  This is awful -- I did not understand the part
 you
  said only 7 or so 
  accounted for -- does is mean 7 cats got out of
 the
  house and they are missing?
  - Original Message -
  From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kelly L
  To:
 

mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 5:54 PM
  Subject: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!!
  
  We all know Susan Hoffman...moderator of FIV2
 group
  and wonderful
  helper to ALL OF US 
  
  This morning at 5am her home caught on fire,,She
  has many many cats
  there and was in the process of doing a lot of
  kitten
  adoptions,,,Fortunately the cats were saved and
  only 7 or so
  accounted for,,she is looking for them
  
  Please Please Please,,,Anyone willing to take in
  any for adoptionsd
  as she will not be able to adopt out for the
  remainder of this
  seasonAnyone one with any connections to
  rescue groups Please
  contact he
  The 2 cell phones she can be reached at are
  
  415  238-8057 and 415  830-0026
  
  Her email is
 

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
  She will be checking at internet cafes etc until
  she can get back on
  her own...she is currently in a one bedroom
  apartment with many ,,too
  many firghtened cats
  The fire was electrical,,
  Please cross post
  you can also contact me
  Kelly  at 559   645-5050 or 559 978-1184
  
  thanks
  
  
  
  
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Re: Miles

2007-08-06 Thread glenda Goodman
Beckie, 
What a great little story to start my day on! Thanks!
It is so nice when the little darlings have managed to
tell us what is wrong and we, with our abilities, are
able to actually help them.  I'm so glad you solved
this problem and Miles is a happy little kitty again.
You guys are great! I particularly enjoy your colorful
emails ,so please stick around and keep learning with
the rest of us how to best care for our kitties.
Please keep us posted on how things are going with
your FeLV+ kitty.
 Every day it is something new around here. Bless your
hearts, you guys.
 Glenda 
--- Beckie McRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, Miles came thru with flying colors. 
 
 He indeed has a urinary tract infection.  He's on
 meds, and we haven't
 seen a mess since!  YAY
 
 Also, we turned on the air in one room for them last
 night.  They were
 loving it.  UNFORTUNATELY, we didn't turn the air on
 in our room, and it
 was MUGGY, so needless to say, we blew up out air
 mattress, and camped
 out in the kitty room.  I don't think they knew what
 to do!
 
 Here's Mommy and Daddy laying on the floor in
 there room.
 
 But alas, after about an hour or so of curious pokes
 and prods, everyone
 finally calmed down and we all got good nights
 sleep.  Double YAY!!
 
  
 
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Re: My little Moe man.

2007-08-06 Thread glenda Goodman
Beckie, 
I just realized ,because I was forgetting both Miles
and Moe are FeLV+. I forgot that Miles was also FeLV+.
It is Holly who is negative...My heart goes out to all
you guys. It is a long hard road we are on. Your
kitties are so lucky to have you guys! Later, Glenda
--- Beckie McRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi everyone.
 
  
 
 Thanks for the responses.  I had them do blood work
 on him, and its
 fine, he's eating like a cow, and drinking like a
 camel.
 
 Something that I discovered today is that it's NOT
 him going to the
 bathroom in the kitchen; it's our OTHER FLV+ cat,
 Miles.  Now Miles is
 about 4 years old, seems perfectly healthy, eats and
 drinks, plays, etc.
 I HAVE noticed that last couple of weeks though he's
 been being REALLY
 affectionate, and I haven't been able to spend as
 much time with him and
 Holly (our 5 year old cat who does NOT have felv) 
 as I usually do
 because I've been so busy with Moe.  Is it possible
 that Miles has
 started to use the kitchen as his own personal
 bathroom because he's
 jealous of the attention that Moe is getting and
 trying to get our
 attention?  I KNOW it's Miles, because he didn't
 hear me get up this
 morning, and Moe was lying on my pillow next to my
 head (like he
 normally does), and I got up went out to the
 kitchen, and he must not
 have heard me, because I caught him red handed doing
 his business.  I
 made loud noises, and stuff, but I don't know why
 he's doing this.  He
 has been acting kind of weird.  Like if we're in the
 bathroom taking a
 shower or using the toilet and the door is closed,
 he'll sit outside it
 and just HOWL.  Never did this until a few weeks
 ago.  I figured it was
 because he was worried about Moe, but now not so
 sure.
 
  
 
 Also, how much does heat effect felv?
 
 We LOVE the heat, and try not to use the air
 conditioner, but it's going
 to get pretty warm here in the next week or so, and
 I was just wondering
 if I should turn the air on for the cats?
 
  
 
 Thanks again everyone.  I'm so glad I found you all!
 
  
 
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WHAT DO I GOTTA DO TO BECOME A MEMBER?

2007-08-06 Thread glenda Goodman
Hey Guys, 
I just sent this long email to you guys and found out
I'm not a member of this list...I had a rough day the
day I found you guys and signed on...thought I was a
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Re: WHAT DO I GOTTA DO TO BECOME A MEMBER?

2007-08-06 Thread glenda Goodman
Wendy, I get them via email? I do not know what the
digest is? 
Thanks, Glenda
--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Glenda,
 
 If we have been receiving the posts, I'm assuming
 you are a member.  Are you posting through the
 digest are do you read the posts individually via
 email?
 
 :)
 Wendy
  
 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
 committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
 is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade
 ~~~
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, August 6, 2007 6:29:34 PM
 Subject: WHAT DO I GOTTA DO TO BECOME A MEMBER?
 
 
 Hey Guys, 
 I just sent this long email to you guys and found
 out
 I'm not a member of this list...I had a rough day
 the
 day I found you guys and signed on...thought I was a
 member? I love you guys! 
 Glenda
 
 



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Re: WHAT DO I GOTTA DO TO BECOME A MEMBER?

2007-08-06 Thread glenda Goodman
Yup, it was looong. I thought about making two out of
it , but did not want to put everyone through two of
my wordy emails, when one did cover it...
It was an OT concerning FIV, something I am not that
knowledgeable about...
THANK YOU! GLENDA
--- Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Oh, no!  Was it so long it w kicked back?  THAT
 happens!
 
 Consciousness is Causal
   and Physicality is its
   Manifestation.
 
 
 On Aug 6, 2007, at 6:29 PM, glenda Goodman wrote:
 
  Hey Guys,
  I just sent this long email to you guys and found
 out
  I'm not a member of this list...I had a rough day
 the
  day I found you guys and signed on...thought I was
 a
  member? I love you guys!
  Glenda
 
 
 
 

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Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice here...

2007-08-06 Thread glenda Goodman

--- glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:11:53 -0700 (PDT)
 From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: OT: need a little quick advice here...
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
 Hi Everyone,
 Well there are two subjects here I want to get
 advice
 and support on. 
 Today my very wonderful vet called me to ask if I
 knew
 of a rescue facility that took FIV+ kitties. It
 seems
 a couple of her clients came in today and received
 the
 bad news that their two kittens had tested positive
 for FIV. She told me, the people who had the kittens
 were sisters and both very bright, educated
 gals...one
 being an attorney, even...so, obviously having good
 minds, I am hoping,  they might give our group here
 a
 visit and be interested in learning, from this very
 progressive site...I will be talking to them later
 today and try to convince them not to panic and not
 opt to have their kittens put down. I do not know of
 any rescue groups that would take these
 kittens...This
 is what they had asked my vet, Dr. Kim Collet, here,
 in Scottsbluff, Nebraska, if she knew of a rescue
 organization they could turn these kittens over to. 
 
  They do have other cats that share the household.
 The
 kittens are only about 12-weeks old. Can you guys
 flood me with some helpful information for these
 gals,
 so we can give them some hope for their kittens and
 make them realize there are options...I'm hoping
 they
 might be willing to sign on to this list,but if not
 I
 will at least forward them some good information
 from
 you guys...
 These two ladies are in their late twenties or early
 thirties...I asked my vet how old they were...We are
 here in farm country where 90% of the vets still
 believe, with all their heart, the only real option,
 is putting positive cats down...
 Now, for my second little problem I'm dealing with
 today: My pride and joy, kitty, Feeto, was at the
 base
 of my step, outside my door about 6-days ago. My son
 had let him outside...It was evening...I do know
 better than to let my kitties outside at night...but
 with my positive kitty and having to be on crazy
 schedules...and keeping everyone seperated, Feeto
 had
 been locked up all day. OK, well the worst
 happened...almost the worst...THERE WAS A STRANGE
 KITTY OUTSIDE IN OUR YARD. HE WAS VERY INTENT ON
 FINDING A GOOD HOME WHERE HE MIGHT BE LOVED AND FED.
 
 FEETO IS MY LITTLE HERO. HE TAKES CARE OF OUR YARD
 AND
 HIS KITTY FAMILY. FEETO CHASED THAT STRANGE KITTY
 AWAY. HOWEVER , BEFORE IT WAS OVER, THERE WAS A
 BATTLE. THE BATTLE GROUND WAS COVERED IN WHITE AND
 ORANGE FUR THE NEXT DAY. FEETO IS A BROWN TABBY WITH
 24 VERY SHARP CLAWS. IT WAS OVER ALMOST BEFORE IT
 BEGAN, BUT I WAS SICK KNOWING THERE WAS NO WAY MY
 FEETO DID NOT SUFFER A BITE SOMEWHERE ON HIS BODY. A
 FEW DAYS LATER, I FOUND IT, THE BITE. FEETO'S CHEEK
 WAS ALL PUFFED UP. IT DRAINED THAT NIGHT AND THE
 NEXT
 DAY HE WAS ON ANTIBIOTICS...JUST TO BE SURE. A WEEK
 EARLIER I HAD BOUGHT A CAT TRAP AND HAD BEEN TRYING
 TO
 TRAP THE STRANGE CAT...NO LUCK UNTIL LAST NIGHT.
 WELL,
 TODAY, THE STRANGE CAT IS AT OUR LOCAL SHELTER. HE
 IS
 A PRETTY CAT , BUT THEY SAID HE IS IN WITH THE WILD
 CATS. HE WILL BE PUT DOWN. I WANT TO NAME HIM
 MARMALADE.HE DESERVES A NAME... HE HISSED AT ME LAST
 NIGHT, BUT SETTLED DOWN AFTER I TALKED, QUIETLY TO
 HIM. THEN THE POLICEMAN TOOK HIM AND HAULED HIM OFF
 TO
 THE SHELTER. I WAS TOLD THEY WILL KEEP HIM 3-DAYS.
 THEN HE WILL BE PUT DOWN. 
 I AM VERY WORRIED ABOUT MY FEETO HAVING BEEN BITTEN,
 SO I HAVE GOTTEN PERMISSION TO TAKE HIM, MARMALADE,
 IN
 TO BE TESTED FOR FeLV AND FIV. I TOLD MY FRIEND, IF
 HE
 TESTS CLEAN, IT IS VERY SAD HE WILL BE PUT DOWN, A
 BEAUTIFUL AND HEALTHY CAT...HE ONLY NEEDS A LITTLE
 TIME TO BE SOCIALIZED. WE HAVE NO OPTIONS
 ,WHATSOEVER,HERE, FOR WILD KITTIES. MY BRAIN WILL
 BE
 WORKING OVERTIME ON WAYS TO SAVE THIS CAT, 
 ESPECIALLY, IF HE TESTS NEGATIVE...MAYBE I CAN BUY
 HIM
 A LITTLE TIME...I DO KNOW, I PROBABLY DRIVE MY
 SHELTER
 HERE A LITTLE CRAZY, BUT OUR HEARTS ARE REALLY ALL
 IN
 THE SAME PLACE, SO WE AT LEAST DO UNDERSTAND EACH
 OTHER. WE HAVE A VERY LOVING SHELTER HERE, BUT IT IS
 ALWAYS A MATTER OF MONEY AND SPACE...
 I WILL APPRECIATE ALL FEEDBACK. 
 I GUESS MOSTLY, I NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING TO TELL
 THESE
 LADIES THAT HAVE THE FIV+ KITTENS. I WILL ALSO NEED
 A
 LITTLE EDUCATING ABOUT CAT BITES AND WHAT TO EXPECT
 IF
 THIS CAT THAT BIT MY FEETO TESTS POSITIVE FOR FIV. 
 THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR GETTING THROUGH THIS LONG
 RAMBLING POST...
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YEAH! I AM A MEMBER!

2007-08-06 Thread glenda Goodman
HI EVERYONE, 
GUESS WHAT? THE REASON MY EMAIL DID NOT GO THROUGH IS
BECAUSE MY EMAIL ADDRESS ROLLED OVER TO ANOTHER
ADDRESS I SOMETIMES USE AND THAT ADDRESS WAS NOT
RECOGNIZED. IT WENT THROUGH FAST AND FINE ON MY USUAL
EMAIL. GOSH, IT IS NICE KNOWING I AM A MEMBER! THANK
YOU FOR TRYING TO HELP ME...
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RE:WHAT DO I GOTTA DO TO BECOME A MEMBER?

2007-08-06 Thread glenda Goodman
Malone, Thank you. Did you see what I did wrong? I
sent my letter under the wrong email. I'm getting
through now.  Sometimes my computer rolls over to the
old email address. Maybe that happened to you. It
sounds like you got the same message back that I
did...Appreciate your help...Glenda
--- Malone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Glenda! I went through the exact same thing. I
 was getting the posts, yet
 I couldn't get anything posted for over 2 months.
 Sometimes when I send a
 message I get the same response-that the message
 will go to the moderator
 and might be posted. None of them ever were. At the
 beginning I was begging
 for help and words fail me to how upset I was that I
 couldn't get help from
 the group that seemed to know the most. I kept
 reading and I learned a great
 deal. I also kept trying to send a message and
 eventually they finally were
 posted. My advise is be persistent because this
 group is a lifeline,
 especially if you are just learning how to help your
 feline friend that has
 this hideous virus.
 
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Re: OT: need a little quick advice here...

2007-08-06 Thread glenda Goodman
Taylor, I am glad they are willing to keep him the
3-days, with me testing him Thursday I know they will
keep him alive and he may warm up. 
At my house right now, keeping him would be hard,
especially, if he is wild. I work a lot and my kitties
are all on schedules , because I now must divide my
time up for my  six negatives and my one positive
kitty. I have seven kitties. I do not believe in
mixing negatives and positives, even if everyone is
vaccinated...
I will see if Marmalade will give me hope that I can
get through to him. I know he might be willing to
negotiate...I felt that right after he was caught...If
he would talk to me in a sweet kitty voice, I know, he
will be telling me he is going to be trying to get
along with people.I'll visit him tomorrow.  He , has
been completely quiet with me last night, but the lady
at the shelter said, this morning he was howling at
her... They had kept him in his trap all
night...Therefore, she considered him to be wild. We
do have three days...This town does not have any type
of feral cat people/ program.
I did just start researching FIV online and am soaking
up info. I think I first thought of you guys , because
the support here is so wonderful...and this list gives
people hope...
Thank you, Glenda  
--- Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Glenda, if the little wild orange guy Marmalade is
 clean can you--or  
 someone else--take him?  Sometimes a cat that seems
 wild in a shelter  
 is merely scared to death, as for instance he calmed
 right down when  
 you spoke quietly to him.  Bless you for taking him
 to be tested.   
 You've done a very good deed.  If he is positive it
 does not  
 automatically mean little Feeto (WHAT a superb name!
  I love it!)  
 will get anything OR he may get something and throw
 it off.  It's  
 much easier for an older cat's immune system to
 throw off a virus  
 than, say, a kitten given FeLV by its mother--their
 immune systems  
 are hardly fully developed so it's harder for them
 to mount an immune  
 response to invaders.
 
 By the way, this month's Scientific American has a
 big article on how  
 cancer cells hijack the human immune system to use
 it for their ends  
 and new chemotherapy protocols in the works. 
 Extremely informative.   
 Also a great learning tool about the immune system
 of mammmals like  
 us AND kitties.
 
 Consciousness is Causal
   and Physicality is its
   Manifestation.
 
 
 On Aug 6, 2007, at 7:18 PM, glenda Goodman wrote:
 
 
  --- glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:11:53 -0700 (PDT)
  From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: OT: need a little quick advice here...
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
  Hi Everyone,
  Well there are two subjects here I want to get
  advice
  and support on.
  Today my very wonderful vet called me to ask if I
  knew
  of a rescue facility that took FIV+ kitties. It
  seems
  a couple of her clients came in today and
 received
  the
  bad news that their two kittens had tested
 positive
  for FIV. She told me, the people who had the
 kittens
  were sisters and both very bright, educated
  gals...one
  being an attorney, even...so, obviously having
 good
  minds, I am hoping,  they might give our group
 here
  a
  visit and be interested in learning, from this
 very
  progressive site...I will be talking to them
 later
  today and try to convince them not to panic and
 not
  opt to have their kittens put down. I do not know
 of
  any rescue groups that would take these
  kittens...This
  is what they had asked my vet, Dr. Kim Collet,
 here,
  in Scottsbluff, Nebraska, if she knew of a rescue
  organization they could turn these kittens over
 to.
 
   They do have other cats that share the
 household.
  The
  kittens are only about 12-weeks old. Can you guys
  flood me with some helpful information for these
  gals,
  so we can give them some hope for their kittens
 and
  make them realize there are options...I'm hoping
  they
  might be willing to sign on to this list,but if
 not
  I
  will at least forward them some good information
  from
  you guys...
  These two ladies are in their late twenties or
 early
  thirties...I asked my vet how old they were...We
 are
  here in farm country where 90% of the vets still
  believe, with all their heart, the only real
 option,
  is putting positive cats down...
  Now, for my second little problem I'm dealing
 with
  today: My pride and joy, kitty, Feeto, was at the
  base
  of my step, outside my door about 6-days ago. My
 son
  had let him outside...It was evening...I do know
  better than to let my kitties outside at
 night...but
  with my positive kitty and having to be on crazy
  schedules...and keeping everyone seperated, Feeto
  had
  been locked up all day. OK, well the worst
  happened...almost the worst...THERE WAS A STRANGE
  KITTY OUTSIDE IN OUR YARD. HE WAS VERY INTENT ON
  FINDING A GOOD HOME WHERE HE MIGHT BE LOVED AND
 FED.
 
  FEETO IS MY LITTLE HERO

Re: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice here...

2007-08-06 Thread glenda Goodman
HIDEYO, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. I'M FORWARDING EMAILS
TO THESE LADIES. I WILL CALL THEM IN A COUPLE DAYS TO
CHECK ON HOW THEY ARE DECIDING TO APPROACH THEIR
ISSUES...THANKS, GLENDA
--- HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I already mentioned in my last email-join FIVcats2
 yahoo group - Susan Hoffman is the moderator, I
 believe -it's a very active group.
   - Original Message - 
   From: wendymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   To:

felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
   Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:57 PM
   Subject: Re: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice
 here...
 
 
   Hi Glenda,
 
   I would point those ladies in the direction of an
 online FIV group.  I don't know of one specifically,
 but I know there are several out there.  Yahoo
 probably has one.  You can search for them on the
 Internet.  
 
   I don't know what to tell you about your situation
 with Marmalade.  It's such a shame that this
 gorgeous cat has to be put down.  Such a shame.  Is
 there not a feral group anywhere in Nebraska you can
 contact?  What about Alley Cat Allies

(http://www.alleycat.org/http://www.alleycat.org/)?
  Can you see if there is someone who is already
 feeding a feral colony somewhere close to you (ACA
 might know of someone) who might take him in
 especially if he's negative for everything?  Here's
 a link to Feral Friends Network, through ACA:

http://www.alleycat.org/feral_friends.htmlhttp://www.alleycat.org/feral_friends.html
  Here's the link to Feline Friendz in Omaha:

http://www.felinefriendz.org/http://www.felinefriendz.org/
  Do you think you can have this cat spayed/neutered
 while he's at the vets, maybe at a discounted rate? 
 You might as well.  I would not have him put down
 though.  That just doesn't seem right.  After all,
 you said you thought he was looking for love and
 food.  It would be horrible if he found pts instead.
  I think most kitties hiss while
in traps b/c they are scared.  My Ensie, the one
 I brought home from NC, is doing great.  She jumps
 in my lap and purrs now.  It's so strange, when only
 less than a month ago she was freaking out in the
 cage she was trapped in.
 
   I would not worry too much about Feeto's bite,
 especially since he's on antibiotics AND the wound
 has already drained.  Keep an eye on the wound and
 make sure it heals up all right.  Good luck Glenda.
 
   :)
   Wendy

   Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
 committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
 is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade
 ~~~
 
 
   - Original Message 
   From: glenda Goodman

[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To:

felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Monday, August 6, 2007 7:18:37 PM
   Subject: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice
 here...
 
 
   --- glenda Goodman

[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:11:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: glenda Goodman

[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: need a little quick advice here...
To:

felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Hi Everyone,
Well there are two subjects here I want to get
advice
and support on. 
Today my very wonderful vet called me to ask if
 I
knew
of a rescue facility that took FIV+ kitties. It
seems
a couple of her clients came in today and
 received
the
bad news that their two kittens had tested
 positive
for FIV. She told me, the people who had the
 kittens
were sisters and both very bright, educated
gals...one
being an attorney, even...so, obviously having
 good
minds, I am hoping,  they might give our group
 here
a
visit and be interested in learning, from this
 very
progressive site...I will be talking to them
 later
today and try to convince them not to panic and
 not
opt to have their kittens put down. I do not
 know of
any rescue groups that would take these
kittens...This
is what they had asked my vet, Dr. Kim Collet,
 here,
in Scottsbluff, Nebraska, if she knew of a
 rescue
organization they could turn these kittens over
 to. 

 They do have other cats that share the
 household.
The
kittens are only about 12-weeks old. Can you
 guys
flood me with some helpful information for these
gals,
so we can give them some hope for their kittens
 and
make them realize there are options...I'm hoping
they
might be willing to sign on to this list,but if
 not
I
will at least forward them some good information
from
you guys...
These two ladies are in their late twenties or
 early
thirties...I asked my vet how old they were...We
 are
here in farm country where 90% of the vets still
believe, with all their heart, the only real
 option,
is putting positive cats down...
Now, for my second little problem I'm dealing
 with
today: My pride

Re: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice here...

2007-08-06 Thread glenda Goodman
THANK YOU WENDY, YES, I WILL TAKE IT UPON MYSELF TO
CHANGE THE FATE OF MARMALADE, ESPECIALLY SINCE HE
WOULD NOT BE WHERE HE IS IF IT WERE NOT FOR ME. IF HE
TESTS NEG. I WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK WITH. WE ARE
IN THE STONE AGE HERE MENTALLY, WHEN IT COMES TO CATS.
I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE EVEN IN HAWK SPRINGS , WYO.
THERE IS A FERAL RESCUE GROUP CONSIDERING WYOMING DOES
NOT EVEN HAVE DECENT ANIMAL CRUELTY LAWS. THEY ARE SO
BACKWARDS. I THINK DOG FIGHTING IS STILL LEGAL THERE?
SOMEONE MIGHT CHECK THIS OUT IF THEY ARE
WONDERING.WHEN I WAS CRUISING petfinder.com I FOUND A
SHELTER IN HAWK SPRINGS, WYOMING WITH A REALLY AMAZING
WEB-SITE. IT IS VERY ADVANCED...INTERESTING.  I WAS
ALSO VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE WEB-SITE FOR SHELTERS IN
MONTANA. GO TO montanapets.org
IT IS BEAUTIFULLY ORGANIZED. IT LETS YOU CLICK ALL THE
SHELTERS IN THE STATE. EVERY STATE SHOULD BE SET UP
LIKE THAT. IT MAKES COMMUNICATING and COOPERATION
BETWEEN SHELTERS SO EASY ...WELL, ENOUGH OF THE
CHATTER. IM OFF TO BED. THANK YOU AGAIN, EVERYONE,
FOR YOUR HELP. GLENDA
--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Glenda,
 
 I would point those ladies in the direction of an
 online FIV group.  I don't know of one specifically,
 but I know there are several out there.  Yahoo
 probably has one.  You can search for them on the
 Internet.  
 
 I don't know what to tell you about your situation
 with Marmalade.  It's such a shame that this
 gorgeous cat has to be put down.  Such a shame.  Is
 there not a feral group anywhere in Nebraska you can
 contact?  What about Alley Cat Allies
 (http://www.alleycat.org/)?  Can you see if there is
 someone who is already feeding a feral colony
 somewhere close to you (ACA might know of someone)
 who might take him in especially if he's negative
 for everything?  Here's a link to Feral Friends
 Network, through ACA:
 http://www.alleycat.org/feral_friends.html  Here's
 the link to Feline Friendz in Omaha:
 http://www.felinefriendz.org/  Do you think you can
 have this cat spayed/neutered while he's at the
 vets, maybe at a discounted rate?  You might as
 well.  I would not have him put down though.  That
 just doesn't seem right.  After all, you said you
 thought he was looking for love and food.  It would
 be horrible if he found pts instead.  I think most
 kitties hiss while
  in traps b/c they are scared.  My Ensie, the one I
 brought home from NC, is doing great.  She jumps in
 my lap and purrs now.  It's so strange, when only
 less than a month ago she was freaking out in the
 cage she was trapped in.
 
 I would not worry too much about Feeto's bite,
 especially since he's on antibiotics AND the wound
 has already drained.  Keep an eye on the wound and
 make sure it heals up all right.  Good luck Glenda.
 
 :)
 Wendy
  
 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
 committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
 is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade
 ~~~
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, August 6, 2007 7:18:37 PM
 Subject: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice here...
 
 
 --- glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 16:11:53 -0700 (PDT)
  From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: OT: need a little quick advice here...
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  
  Hi Everyone,
  Well there are two subjects here I want to get
  advice
  and support on. 
  Today my very wonderful vet called me to ask if I
  knew
  of a rescue facility that took FIV+ kitties. It
  seems
  a couple of her clients came in today and received
  the
  bad news that their two kittens had tested
 positive
  for FIV. She told me, the people who had the
 kittens
  were sisters and both very bright, educated
  gals...one
  being an attorney, even...so, obviously having
 good
  minds, I am hoping,  they might give our group
 here
  a
  visit and be interested in learning, from this
 very
  progressive site...I will be talking to them later
  today and try to convince them not to panic and
 not
  opt to have their kittens put down. I do not know
 of
  any rescue groups that would take these
  kittens...This
  is what they had asked my vet, Dr. Kim Collet,
 here,
  in Scottsbluff, Nebraska, if she knew of a rescue
  organization they could turn these kittens over
 to. 
  
   They do have other cats that share the household.
  The
  kittens are only about 12-weeks old. Can you guys
  flood me with some helpful information for these
  gals,
  so we can give them some hope for their kittens
 and
  make them realize there are options...I'm hoping
  they
  might be willing to sign on to this list,but if
 not
  I
  will at least forward them some good information
  from
  you guys...
  These two ladies are in their late twenties or
 early
  thirties...I asked my vet how old they were...We
 are
  here in farm country where 90% of the vets still
  believe, with all their heart, the only real
 option,
  is putting positive cats

Re: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice here...

2007-08-07 Thread glenda Goodman
Hi Marylyn, 
At this point I am dealing with, what I believe, is a
very determined , aggressive kitty, desperately
seeking a 'good' home. What makes me say this is, my
best friend down the street, was also affected by
Marmalade. She has one kitty, Addey, whom is like an
obsession to her, and this is putting it mildly...
Addey is her only cat, because Addey controls the
home. Otherwise, my friend would have at least one
more cat...Anyway, Addey is allowed outside.My friend
has a beautiful yard/home and there is a lovely ravene
area behind my friend's house, where Addey likes to
hunt...My friend will not deprive her of her joys in
life and I have begged my friend to please not allow
Addey out after dark, advice like that...We do have
foxes, etc.
 Well, Marmalade would make the rounds between my
friend's house and mine. We are less than a block
apart. Marmalade was being very aggressive with Addey
too and there were howling matches during the day and
evening, but I do not believe any violent contacts. I
had heard it is rare for a male cat to be so
aggressive with a female...I do not doubt it was just
a matter of time before Marmalade would have had a
physical conflict with Addey. 
It would take a huge adjustment with my cats and the
other cats in the neighborhood to welcome Marmalade. I
know once a kitty feels secure, there would be no
competition and of course, after being neutered, that
would probably do the trick. If I had fewer of my own
cats and the time to put in a rehabiliation project
like this, I would do it, because it would, along with
everything else, be very interesting. I am only hoping
right now, these couple of days at the shelter, settle
Marmalade down and perhaps there is a different side
to him. I'll be visiting him today and talking to the
shelter people. Thursday morning is the FeLV/FIV test.
My old vet, who is only a few blocks from the shelter,
will be testing him and during the physical handling
of Marmalade he can also give me his opinion. I'm sure
he will love testing him...I do not think it will be
fun for him...my vet. We shall see? 
I do appreciate the sensitivity and caring nature of
everyone here. I so completely understand, because I
feel the same way...Thank you, Glenda  
--- Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Can you let Marmalade be your cat too?  Little
 ferals make the most 
 wonderful friends and he would love to work for you
 and live with you.  It 
 sounds as though he has learned who the boss cat is.
  Dixie has some cats 
 that report to her.  We live on a farm and she is an
 inside cat, having 
 carefully worked her way into my heart the way
 Marmalade is trying to work 
 into yours.  There are cats, one particular here,
 that hangs out and helps 
 with the varmint chores outside.  Mom has three that
 hang out at her house 
 and she hasn't had a mouse in over 11 years.  A
 shelter and food go a long 
 way toward taming a cat.
 
 
 
 
  If
 you have men who will 
 exclude any of God's creatures
 
 from the shelter of 
 compassion and pity, you will have men who
 
 will deal likewise with 
 their fellow man.
 
  St. 
 Francis
 - Original Message - 
 From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 10:41 PM
 Subject: Re: Fwd: OT: need a little quick advice
 here...
 
 
  THANK YOU WENDY, YES, I WILL TAKE IT UPON MYSELF
 TO
  CHANGE THE FATE OF MARMALADE, ESPECIALLY SINCE HE
  WOULD NOT BE WHERE HE IS IF IT WERE NOT FOR ME. IF
 HE
  TESTS NEG. I WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK WITH. WE
 ARE
  IN THE STONE AGE HERE MENTALLY, WHEN IT COMES TO
 CATS.
  I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE EVEN IN HAWK SPRINGS , WYO.
  THERE IS A FERAL RESCUE GROUP CONSIDERING WYOMING
 DOES
  NOT EVEN HAVE DECENT ANIMAL CRUELTY LAWS. THEY ARE
 SO
  BACKWARDS. I THINK DOG FIGHTING IS STILL LEGAL
 THERE?
  SOMEONE MIGHT CHECK THIS OUT IF THEY ARE
  WONDERING.WHEN I WAS CRUISING petfinder.com I
 FOUND A
  SHELTER IN HAWK SPRINGS, WYOMING WITH A REALLY
 AMAZING
  WEB-SITE. IT IS VERY ADVANCED...INTERESTING.  I
 WAS
  ALSO VERY IMPRESSED WITH THE WEB-SITE FOR SHELTERS
 IN
  MONTANA. GO TO montanapets.org
  IT IS BEAUTIFULLY ORGANIZED. IT LETS YOU CLICK ALL
 THE
  SHELTERS IN THE STATE. EVERY STATE SHOULD BE SET
 UP
  LIKE THAT. IT MAKES COMMUNICATING and COOPERATION
  BETWEEN SHELTERS SO EASY ...WELL, ENOUGH OF THE
  CHATTER. IM OFF TO BED. THANK YOU AGAIN,
 EVERYONE,
  FOR YOUR HELP. GLENDA
  --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi Glenda,
 
  I would point those ladies in the direction of an
  online FIV group.  I don't know of one
 specifically,
  but I know there are several out there.  Yahoo
  probably has one.  You can search for them on the
  Internet.
 
  I don't know what to tell you about your
 situation
  with Marmalade.  It's

Re: FIV infected kittes

2007-08-07 Thread glenda Goodman
NINA, EXCELLENT LETTER! IM FORWARDING THIS TO THE
GALS WITH THE FIV+ KITTENS. THEY REALLY NEED THIS
PERSPECTIVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH! GLENDA
--- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello Group,
 I just saw that someone was asking for help with an
 fiv tested kitten.  
 The following is a post I archived from a trusted
 list member, (MC) 
 about this subject:
 
   there is essentially no such thing as an FIV
 positive kittens.
 maternal transmission is incredibly rare, and is
 still not even
 considered a normal mode of infection. kittens with
 an infected mom
 will test positive until mom's antibodies are out of
 her
 system--between 6-10 months.
 
 no sanctuary or rescue that specializes in FIV cats
 will take a cat
 without a positive western blot test, as the snap
 test is only about
 60% accurate. a western blot given before a kitten
 is old enough for
 mom's immunities to have worn off WILL test
 positive, but it won't
 mean anything.
 
 i would NEVER vaccinate a cat against FIV--if the
 cat ever gets out
 and into the shelter system, he will test positve
 (not maybe,
 DEFINITELY), and unless he's microchipped and
 someone actually checks
 his record to see he's been vaccinated, his chances
 of living long
 enough to be found by you is slim to none.
 
 almost all FIV is spread via DEEP, PENETRATING
 WOUNDS--the sort that
 boy cats inflict while fighting over girls. that's
 why a high
 percentage of FIV cats are boys, with those girls
 who have it probably
 getting it during rough sex.
 
 once neutered, almost all male cats lose any desire
 to be that
 aggressive. in cases where a tom DOES remain
 aggressive, filing down
 or even removing the canine teeth makes it
 impossible for him to bite
 deeply enough to pass on the virus. most FIV cats,
 once neutered, seem
 to turn into very healthy, very large, very lazy,
 very cuddly couch
 potatoes.
 
 at the sanctuary where i worked, many FIV cats ended
 up becoming
 forever cats of the volunteers, because they were
 just such
 sweethearts.
 
 i have two FIVs in my household right now, a timid
 flamepoint himmie
 who must have gotten out and been attacked cuz
 there's NO way he would
 have initiated an argument on his own, and an
 adolescent coonie. FIV
 cats tend to be very healthy--they have a higher
 incidence of herpes
 infections (easily kept in check with the addition
 of lysine), and a
 tendency toward other mouth problems. they get sick
 just like normal
 cats, and they get better when treated in a timely
 manner, just like
 normal cats!
 
 as one of my vets puts it, FIV cats die WITH the
 virus, not from it.
 
 it is TOTALLY different from FeLV in how it's
 spread, and how it
 manifests itself. (well, after 18 years, the
 sanctuary director thinks
 that being fat and lazy and cuddly are the only
 consistent symptoms of
 FIV.)
 
 here are two of the better articles on FIV:
 http://www.afa.arlington.ma.us/FIV.html

http://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/petcare/cats_fiv.cfm
 
 MC
 -- 
 MaryChristine
 
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 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ICQ: 289856892
 
 
 



   

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Re: NEW vaccination protocols announced today

2007-08-07 Thread glenda Goodman
 JANE, THANK YOU! 
HOW EXCITING TO BE ABLE TO GET THIS NEW INFORMATION.
ASK ME WHY I LOVE THIS SITE AND ALL YOU GUYS...GLENDA
--- Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 This information was released today. Because yearly
 vaccinations are  
 the primary source of income for many
 veterinarian practices, and because pharmaceutical
 companies have  
 lobbied against this protocol, this has
 been a long time coming. This version is a
 compromise, but  
 nevertheless the danger of over vaccination and
 of many vaccines is beginning to be acknowledged.
 There are many vets who, prior to this protocol, do
 not vaccinate for  
 Feline Leukemia because of ineffective
 results and sometimes lethal consequences.
 Jane
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Dr. Dodd's vaccination protocol is now being 
 adopted by ALL 27 North
  American veterinary schools.  I highly  recommend
 that you read
  this.  Copy and save it to your  files.  Print it
 and pass it out at
  dog fairs, cat shows, kennel  club meetings, dog
 parks, give a copy
  to your veterinarian and  groomer, etc.
 
  Get the word out. 
 
  VACCINATION NEWS  FLASH
 
  I would like to make you aware that all 27
 veterinary  schools in
  North America are in the process of changing their
  protocols for
  vaccinating dogs and cats. Some of this
 information will  present an
  ethical  economic challenge to vets, and there
 will be  skeptics.
 
  Some organizations have come up with a political 
 compromise
  suggesting vaccinations every 3 years to appease
 those who  fear loss
  of income vs. those concerned about potential side
  effects.  Politics, traditions, or the doctor's
 economic well being
  should not  be a factor in medical decision.
 
  NEW PRINCIPLES OF  IMMUNOLOGY
  Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 
 months.  If a
  modified live virus vaccine is given after 6
 months  of age, it
  produces an immunity which is good for the life of
 the pet  (ie:
  canine Distemper, Parvo, Feline distemper).  If
 another MLV  vaccine
  is given a year later, the antibodies from the
 first
  vaccine  neutralize the antigens of the second
 vaccine, and there is
  little or  no effect. The titer is not boosted
 nor are more memory
  cells  induced. Not only are annual boosters for
 parvo and
  distemper  unnecessary, they subject the pet to
 potential risks of
  allergic  reactions, and immune-mediated hemolytic
 anemia.  There is
  no  scientific documentation to back up label
 claims for
  annual  administration of MLV vaccines.  Puppies
 receive
  antibodies  through their mothers milk.  This
 natural protection can
  last  8-14 weeks.
 
  Puppies  kittens should NOT be vaccinated at 
 LESS than 8
  weeks.  Maternal immunity will neutralize the 
 vaccine, and little
  protection (0-38%) will be produced. Vaccination 
 at 6 weeks will,
  however, delay the timing of the first highly 
 effective
  vaccine.  Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart
 suppress  rather than
  stimulate the immune system.  A series of 
 vaccinations is given
  starting at 8 weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up 
 to 16 weeks of
  age.  Another vaccination given sometime after 6 
 months of age
  (usually at 1 year 4 mo) will provide Lifetime 
 immunity.
 
 
CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR  DOGS
  Distemper  Parvo
  According to Dr. Schultz, AVMA,  8-15-95, when a
 vaccinations series
  given at 2, 3  4 months and  again at 1 year with
 a MLV, puppies and
  kitten program memory cells  that survive for
 life, providing
  lifelong immunity. Dr. Carmichael at  Cornell and
 Dr. Schultz have
  studies showing immunity against  challenge at
 2-10 years for canine
  distemper  4 years for  parvovirus. Studies for
 longer duration are
  pending.  There are  no new strains of parvovirus
 as one mfg. would
  like to suggest.   Parvovirus vaccination provides
 cross immunity for
  all types.   Hepatitis (Adenovirus) is one of the
 agents known to be
  a cause of  kennel cough.  Only vaccines with
 CAV-2 should be used as
  CAV-1  vaccines carry the risk of hepatitis
 blue-eye reactions 
  kidney  damage.
 
  Bordetella Parainfluenza: Commonly called Kennel 
 cough Recommended
  only for those dogs boarded, groomed, taken to dog
  shows, or for any
  reason housed where exposed to a lot of dogs. The 
 intranasal vaccine
  provides more complete and more rapid onset of 
 immunity with less
  chance of reaction.  Immunity requires 72  hours,
 and does not
  protect from every cause of kennel cough. Immunity
  is of short
  duration (4 to 6 months).
 
RABIES
  There  have been no reported cases of rabid dogs
 or cats in
  Harris,  Montogomery or Ft. Bend Counties [Texas],
 there have been
  rabid skunks  and bats so the potential exists. It
 is a killed
  vaccine and must be  given every year.
 
  Lyme disease is a tick born disease which can 
 cause lameness, kidney
  failure and heart disease in dogs.  Ticks  can
 also transmit the
  disease to humans. The original Ft. Dodge killed 
 bacteria has proven

Re: Sammy's fever is 106!

2007-08-07 Thread glenda Goodman
Taylor and Sammy, My heart is with you guys. Glenda 
--- Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Well, Sammy went back to the Nice Ladies at Animal
 911 because when I  
 took his temperature this evening it was 106.  He
 had been hiding  
 yesterday morning and then staying in my mom's room
 and not following  
 me and/or his brothers around all day.  So he's
 staying the night and  
 I'll pick him up for another blood transfusion at
 Animal Emergency in  
 5-1/2 hours.  I just got home from Animal 911. 
 Little one needs  
 prayers.
 
 Nitie Nite,
 
 Tee
 
 
 Consciousness is Causal
   and Physicality is its
   Manifestation.
 
 
 
 



  

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Re: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat

2007-08-08 Thread glenda Goodman
Such a good story...It is so wonderful to see the
improvements like this. Good luck at the vet's. Glenda
--- Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


-

Thanks Susan.  My mom and I both work and I don't live
with her, so we do the best we can with feeding her. 
She has already stopped eating like a fiend and she
will stop when she gets full.  The only way we have
gotten her to eat crunchies is by putting them in the
bowl with the wet food.  She will eat the wet food
first and then later, snack on the crunchies.  I
started her on Wellness Kitten wet food last night
(per Tad's suggestion)-- I knew that- that it's high
calorie!  It's just in the heat of the moment, I guess
you forget these things, so it's nice to have people
to remind you.  I also started her on Wellness dry
crunchies (she was just eating regular adult
Wellness).  

I am worried about her liver function, but I have her
on Nutrical (since Sunday), so hopefully, we have
staved off a problem there, but I guess we will find
out.  We are taking her to a vet tomorrow.  

She is still showing the third eyelid a lot, but the
weepy eyes are much improved and in fact, when I
treated them with Terramycin last night, I did not see
any green discharge.  

She has not thrown up at all, so she's definitely not
gorging herself.  Last night, when my mom and I were
visiting her, she drank water for the first time in
front of us and she drank A TON!  

She is so much more perky too.  She seems so happy--
she purrs and kneads all the time.  And a good sign-
even if it makes my job a little harder- when I go to
treat her eyes or hold her, she's started squirming
and she even got away from me one time.  So clearly,
she is getting her strength back to some extent. 
She's even broke into a little jog to go see my mom
when she came in the room (and she was NOT doing that
when we first brought her in).  She loves the a/c more
than any cat I have seen and she watches the TV that
we leave on for her.

I put a found cat ad on Craigslist yesterday, but
haven't heard anything yet.  It will take me a while
to get to the other websites to list her.  The focus
now is rehabilitating her.

Thanks for your insight!

Caroline  



-
From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:15:07 -0500

When cats are severly emaciated, it is best to give
them several small meals per day, as opposed to
allowing any free feeding.
 
This keeps them from getting sick.
 
I would have a complete blood panel done, also, to
verify that her liver / kidneys are functioning ok.
 
Thanks for saving her, Caroline, and thank your mom
too.
 
You probably got her right in the nick of time.
 
Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in
state,
   Faithful Bast at
her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of
soft applause,
   Ever guarding with
sharpened claws.
 Trajan
Tennent
 
 
 
 
- Original Message - 
From: Caroline Kaufmann 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:09 AM
Subject: OT: Advice for Malnourished, Rescued cat


I did a cat rescue on Sat. of a spayed, long-haired
female that was clearly a house-cat that had been
hanging out in my mom's neighborhood for about 3
weeks.  My mom had told the neighbor across the street
that I had a foster cat and so he thought I would know
what to do once he'd finally determined the cat did
not have a home (you know how it goes!).  I took one
look at her and decided we needed to move fast- she'd
already been outside too long.  She had a collar on
with a rabies tag on it with the vet's number, but by
the time we got her in a carrier and I had the collar
off (it had rubbed the fur off her neck) the vet's was
closed.  My mom left a message w/ the vet's, but come
Mon. morn., still hadn't heard back.  On Mon., she
drove past the vet clinic and it's closed- like out of
business!!!  We were hoping to match up the rabies tag
number with the owner, however, my mom is really
skittish about actually finding the owner because
there's no free newspaper ad looking for her, there's
no signs up in the neighborhood, and she was in SUCH
bad shape when we found her...?  Also, my mom says the
vet the cat went to to at least get her rabies shot is
not a good one, so she is reluctant to just
immediately turn this cat over, even if we do find the
owners- which at this point, is not looking promising
anyway.  
 
We haven't taken her to a vet yet because we thought
we would maybe find the owners, and now I am trying to
work my Shamrock contact to see if I can get her in
with a Shamrock vet who will give us a discounted

Re: OT: Adam's recovery

2007-08-08 Thread glenda Goodman
Thanks Susan! This is great! Thanks too for
remembering the little guy. I guess his destiny is to
help other little critters like himself from the bad
people out there. 
His Catster page is really sweet!
 Glenda
--- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 http://www1. pressdemocrat. com/apps/ pbcs.dll/
 section?Category

=MEDIAbcpid=770169275bclid=769393745bctid=458181
 
 http://www.forgotte nfelines. com/v4/adam_
 updates.shtml
 
 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
 www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
 www.shadowcats.net
   As Cleopatra lay
 in state,
Faithful Bast at
 her side did wait,
Purring welcomes
 of soft applause,
Ever guarding
 with sharpened claws.
  Trajan
 Tennent
 
 
 
 



   

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OT: Exactly what are my rights here?

2007-08-08 Thread glenda Goodman
Hello everyone,
Several of you here know my story about trapping an
orange and white cat , whom I named Marmalade. The cat
was trapped this last Sunday night in my personal
trap. The cat was then transported to our local
shelter by a policeman. When the cat was turned over,
he became the property of the county shelter...He was
trapped at my friend's house, together we decided to
call the officer...
The shelter decided Monday morning he was a
wildferal cat and told me he was put in with the
wild kitties and would have to be put down. They did
say they would wait 3-days to see if anyone came
forward to claim him. I went in Monday morning to see
the kitty and get my trap back...I was told I could
not see him. I asked if I could take him to be
tested.After some discussion, I was told I could. I
made the appt. for that Monday. I was then told I
could not test him until Thursday, after the 3-day
waiting period. I went to the shelter yesterday
morning to visit the kitty. I just wanted to see him ,
see if he might talk back to me, show some sign of
wanting me to work with him. I was told by a worker
,because he was in the wild kitty section, I  was not
allowed to see him...I was told the reason being they
were worried about liability...I tried to understand
their point and did not want to be too much of a thorn
in their behind, because at least they had given me
permission to have the cat tested on Thursday morning.
I had an appt. for 9:15 am. The shelter opens at
9:00am. I was using the same vet they use...
Last night I was heading down to the shelter after
work and had decided to bring up some points about if
this kitty tested negative for the FeLV and FIV and I
decided to neuter this cat...after all I already had
an investment in the cat and if the cat were
young...looked under three years old...was there maybe
someone who might enjoy the challenge of working with
a feral...if indeed this cat was a feral...Things like
that...I called my friend on the way home and decided
one more day would not hurt that much and at least
after the test I'd have one important plus to work
with if the cat tested clean...Us cat people do tend
to rattle people enough as it is...
Well, I got home tonight and there was a message on my
phone from the director of our shelter...It was: Hi
Glenda, I have some good and bad news for you.  If you
get this before 7:00pm give me a call @Otherwise
call me in the morning...I got the message after 
9:00pm.
Well guys, nothing like suspense...I hate to jump to
conclusions , but I bet they put the cat down...and
they will tell me he tested neg. 
I will be on the computer to tell everyone the rest of
the story in the morning...
The fact the beginning of the story is a story in
itself, should hold everyone until morning...I
seriously wonder what the wild cat area is like??? I'd
like to know what they do with ferals after they are
caught here...? I am going to be talking to feral cat
people in other neighboring areas to see what type of
programs they have...Thanks for reading this.
Glenda


  

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Fwd: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...

2007-08-09 Thread glenda Goodman

--- glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
 From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
 HELLO EVERYONE, 
 THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE ADVICE AND SUPPORT.
 THE
 WORST HAS HAPPENED. I FEEL REALLY HORRIBLE RIGHT
 NOW. 
 I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW THE WORST
 HAPPENED:  
 WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS HE WAS PUT DOWN, BY MISTAKE. HIS
 PAPER WORK WAS NOT READ. FOR AS OFTEN AS I WENT DOWN
 THERE AND BUGGED THEM, I GUESS I ASSUMED EVERYONE
 KNEW. EVEN THOUGH HE WAS IN THE 'WILD CAT'
 SECTION...I
 GUESS THE LESSON HERE IS: 
 
 EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE ANGRY AND
 UPSET
 WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING AN ANIMAL DO NOT BE
 AFRAID
 TO GET IN SOMEONE'S FACE. THE FACT I DID NOT RUB IT
 IN
 A LITTLE MORE ON MY RIDE HOME FROM WORK TUESDAY
 NIGHT
 MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE REASON THIS MISTAKE HAPPENED. 
 
 THE DIRECTOR, A REALLY SPECIAL PERSON, WHO I DO LOVE
 AND RESPECT AND WITH WHOM I  HAVE A GOOD
 RELATIONSHIP,
 TOLD ME THE MINUTE THE MISTAKE WAS REALIZED SHE TOOK
 MARMALADE'S LITTLE BODY TO THE CLINIC DOWN THE
 STREET,
 TO THE VET. HE WAS TESTED BY A GAL NAMED DARCY AT
 MIDTOWN ANIMAL HOSPITAL IN GERING, NEBRASKA. THE
 TEST
 WAS NEGATIVE FOR FeLV AND FIV. THEY ESTIMATED THE
 CAT
 TO BE ABOUT 2-YEARS OLD. I WAS TOLD THEY FIRST
 NOTICED
 A LOT OF BATTLE SCARS ON HIM ,SO THEY THOUGHT HE
 MIGHT
 TEST POSITIVE...WELL, HE DIDNOT  TEST  
 POSITIVE! 
 
 I TOLD DEB S. , THE DIRECTOR, ON THE PHONE I WOULD
 HAVE FOUGHT HER TOOTH AND NAIL TO SAVE THIS CAT IF
 HE
 WERE ALIVE AND TESTED OUT LIKE HE DID AND BEING
 YOUNG
 LIKE HE WAS...SHE COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDS WHERE IM
 COMING FROM AND I DO BELIEVE WE COULD HAVE COME TO A
 SOLUTION SOMEHOW. SHE IS A VERY GOOD PERSON AND LIKE
 THE REST OF US ,BUT WITH A VERY HARD JOB...THE GAL,
 A
 WORKER AT THE HUMANE SOCIETY TOLD ME EVERYONE FELT
 SICK YESTERDAY AFTER THIS HAPPENED. 
 
 WE ALL HAVE SUCH A LONG WAY TO GO TO MASTER THE
 PERFECT WAYS TO PROTECT OUR ANIMALS. IT REALLY IS
 JUST
 SUCH A HARD WORLD...I THINK EVERYONE OF US COULD
 JUST
 CRY OUR EYES OUT ALL DAY LONG FOR ALL THE SADNESS IN
 THE WORLD. I DO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS SO MUCH! 
 
 I WILL BE TALKING WITH A COUPLE OF THESE FERAL CAT
 ORGANIZATIONS TO SEE WHAT IT TAKES TO GET SOMETHING
 STARTED HERE. 
 THIS MORNING WHEN I WAS TALKING TO DEB, OUR HS
 DIRECTOR HERE, SHE TOLD ME SHE DID NOT LIKE THE TNR
 PROGRAMS THAT MUCH. I PERSONALLY, COULD ONLY AGREE
 WITH SUCH PROGRAMS IF ALL THE CATS WERE DISEASE FREE
 AND VERY WELL CARED FOR...THAT TAKES A LOT OF PEOPLE
 WILLING TO BE VERY INVOLVED. 
 I WILL TELL YOU, I LIVED IN MAUI, HAWAII FOR CLOSE
 TO
 FIVE YEARS , 2001-2005.  I WAS ON THE BOARD OF THEIR
 HUMANE SOCIETY FOR ROUGHLY A YEAR + AND I BECAME
 AWARE
 OF THE FERAL CAT SITUATION THERE, WHICH IS MASSIVE.
 I
 HAD FRIENDS INVOLVED WHO WERE SO SELFLESS, SO
 DEDICATED...THERE IS HUGE SUPPORT THERE FOR SUCH
 PROGRAMS...SADLY, ALL FREE ROAMING CATS ARE HARD ON
 BIRDS...SOMETHING TO CONSIDER...IT IS JUST A MATTER
 OF
 SPAYING/NEUTERING. WITH ALL THE PEOPLE WORKING SO
 HARD
 I CANNOT IMAGINE AN END TO THE PROBLEM,BUT THEY ARE
 PUTTING A DENT IF ONLY TO KEEP THE POPULATIONS IN
 CHECK...
 I'M OFF TO MY JOB. I FEEL A LITTLE BETTER HAVING YOU
 GUYS OUT THERE TO TALK TO. IF I DECIDE TO START UP A
 PROGRAM HERE BY TRYING TO GATHER PEOPLE WILLING TO
 GET
 INVOLVED, IT WILL BE CALLED MARMALADE'S WILD KITTY
 ORGANIZATION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT? I SERIOUSLY FEEL
 HE
 WAS A SPECIAL CAT...BUT AREN'T THEY ALL? 
  I HAVE ALWAYS BELIEVED SOMETHING BAD NEEDS TO BRING
 SOMETHING GOOD IN IT'S PLACE.
 FOR ALL OF YOU OUT THERE THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE LOST
 ON MY STORY HERE, THE REASON I WANTED THIS CAT
 TESTED,
 IN THE FIRST PLACE, WAS BECAUSE HE TANGLED WITH MY
 ADORED KITTY, FEETO. FEETO GOT BIT ON HIS FACE ABOUT
 8-DAYS AGO WHILE THIS CAT WAS CHECKING OUR HOME OUT
 AS
 A PROSPECT FOR A GOOD LIFE. FEETO HAD JUST RAN
 OUTSIDE
 TO THE BASE OF OUR FRONT STEP.
 MARMALADE,  ALSO, SPENT TIME AT MY FRIEND'S DOWN THE
 STREET...HE JUST SHOWED UP IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD A
 COUPLE WEEKS AGO.I DID ADMIRE THE INTELLIGENCE OF
 THIS
 CAT FOR THE WAY HE THOUGHT AND I RESPECT A SURVIVOR.
 HE WAS BEAUTIFUL TOO, WITH HUGE WHITE FEET. I LOVE
 KITTY FEET!  I STILL PICTURE HIM...HE DID MAKE AN
 IMPRESSION ON ME. 
 THANK YOU GUYS...LATER, GLENDA 
  
 
 
  


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RE: OT: Exactly what are my rights here?

2007-08-09 Thread glenda Goodman
NINA, I WANT TO ANSWER YOU QUICKLY HERE. I BROUGHT MY
CAT TRAP DOWN TO MY FRIENDS. THE CAT WAS TRAPPED IN
HER YARD . SHE CALLED ME SUNDAY EVENING TO TELL ME HE
HAD BEEN TRAPPED. I WAS ON MY WAY, A SHORT WALK TO HER
HOUSE TO PICK THE CAT UP. I PLANNED TO TAKE HIM IN IN
THE MORNING WHEN THE HUMANE SOCIETY WAS OPENED. THE
CAT WOULD HAVE HAD TO SPEND THE ENTIRE NIGHT IN MY
TRAP THAT WAY. WELL, IN OUR TOWN IF IT IS AFTER HOURS
AND THE HUMANE SOCIETY IS CLOSED YOU CALL THE POLICE
DEPT. THEY WILL PICK UP THE ANIMAL AND RELEASE IT INTO
A MORE COMFORTABLE SETTING...MY FRIEND AND I DECIDED
TO HAVE THE CAT PICKED UP. I PLANNED TO DEAL WITH IT
IN THE MORNING...THEN WAS TOLD THE CAT WAS A
FERAL...LIKE BEYOND HOPE...GETTING THIS CAT TESTED
,BECAUSE I REALLY NEEDED TO KNOW IT'S HEALTH STATIS
,BECAUSE MY CAT HAD FOUGHT WITH IT WAS STEP ONE. AFTER
THAT, AFTER LEARNING IF IT WERE DISEASE FREE WOULD BE
STEP TWO. I WOULD TAKE IT UNDER MY WING , SOMEHOW, GET
IT NEUTERED...ALL THIS IF MY VET TOLD ME IT WERE
REASONABLY YOUNG. I FELT LIKE THIS CAT COULD HAVE A
FUTURE. WITH MY PERSONAL SITUATION RIGHT NOW, I HAVE
THREE CAT SITUATIONS GOING ON AT MY HOUSE. MY FOUR BIG
BOYS, MY GIRL BOY KITTENS, AND MY FeLV+ LITTLE GIRL.
THROWING IN A WILD AND WOOLY FERAL TO TAME DOWN WOULD
HAVE REALLY STRETCHED ME THIN...EVERYONE GETS A SHIFT
RIGHT NOW THREE SHIFTS WOULD HAVE TURNED INTO FOUR. I
DO NOT MIX MY GROUPS...I STILL WOULD HAVE BUSTED MY
BUTT TO SAVE THIS GUY, WHOM I NAMED MARMALADE. YOU
HAVE READ MY RECENT POSTS ,BUT MY EARLY ONE'S YOU HAVE
MISSED ,SO OF COURSE  YOU ARE A BIT LOST. I PROBABLY
SOUND LIKE A NUT...SORRY... THANK YOU FOR GETTING BACK
TO ME ON THIS. I DID HAVE PLAN A, B, AND C DOWN FOR
THIS CAT...BECAUSE I BELIEVE EVERY SINGLE ANIMAL
DESERVES TO HAVE SOMEONE LOOKING OUT FOR HIM. I HAD
EVERY INTENTION OF LOOKING OUT FOR THIS LITTLE GUY,
BUT I TOTALLY SCREWED UP! I AM SO VERY SORRY! I SHOULD
HAVE KEPT HIM OVER NIGHT TO START WITH. I JUST FELT,
WITH MY REASONABLY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH MY LOCAL
SHELTER, I COULD GET ON TOP OF THINGS THAT NEXT
MORNING AND WOULD  ALSO HAVE BENEFITTED FROM THE HANDS
ON OF OUR SHELTER PEOPLE HERE. I FIGURED I'D GET SOME
OPINIONS... I DID NOT BELIEVE HE WAS A FERAL CAT WHEN
HE WAS TAKEN IN. HE WAS TOO PRETTY AND QUIET.HE WAS
ALSO RIGHT IN OUR YARDS...THE BASE OF MY FRONT STEP
THAT NIGHT HE AND MY CAT FOUGHT. BESIDES,   I HAVE
ALWAYS BEEN TOLD, BY MY FRIENDS INVOLVED WITH FERALS, 
ONE WAY YOU CAN TELL A FERAL FROM A DOMESTIC, IS
FERALS GO CRAZY IN TRAPS AND SCREAM THEIR HEADS OFF,
DOMESTICS ARE USUALLY QUIET. THIS GUY WAS VERY CALM
AFTER I BEGAN TALKING TO HIM. 
AFTER THIS LETTER I WILL BE OFF THIS SUBJECT, BUT
ANYONE OUT THERE, WHO HAS ANY INSIGHT ON THIS SUBJECT,
PLEASE WRITE TO ME, BECAUSE I FEEL WE CAN ALL LEARN
FROM EACH ONE OF  OUR OWN SCREWUPS :ONE OF THE
BEAUTIFUL THINGS ABOUT THIS SITE.
THANK YOU, GLENDA 
--- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well this sounds like a very costly lesson for you,
 your friend, but esp for Marmalade.  There are some
 details missing from the story and I'm a bit
 confused.  Why, if you were interested in helping
 this cat did you and your friend decide to call
 animal control in the first place?  What did you
 think was going to happen when you told them you had
 a feral cat in a trap and asked them to come and get
 it?  An owner relinquished cat has very little
 chance of making it out alive from a kill shelter,
 esp during kitten season when there are so many
 looking for homes, a feral cat has even less of a
 chance.  I would pray that since you have made it so
 clear to the staff at the shelter that you want to
 help this cat that they would take pity on him and
 release him to you, but I doubt that is going to
 happen unless you come up with some sort of
 subterfuge, or get very, very insistent.  It may
 already be too late.  If it were me and I was ready
 to make a life-long commitment to Marmalade, I'd
 find someone from my neighborhood that hasn't
 already been involved to go with me to the shelter
 and claim that Marmalade belongs to them.  I'd tell
 them that I found out that he is an outside cat
 and here's his owner.  There will be fines to pay,
 and they may still refuse to let you have him, but
 at this point it's probably your best chance of
 saving his life.
 
 I can tell from the few previous posts I've read
 from you that you are a caring person and would not
 have set all this in motion if you had known your
 shelter's policies.  Perhaps this experience will
 turn you into an advocate for feral and stray cats
 and in Marmalade's name you will save others from a
 similar experience.  Please educate yourself on TNR
 and other things you can do to champion the cause of
 feral/stray cats.  I don't know the sort of person
 you are, but if you are really willing to get
 involved you can turn your frustration over this
 into a benefit by working to change your local
 shelter's policies.  Some of our most important
 lessons come at a very high price.  I'm 

Re: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...I am unsubscribing the list

2007-08-09 Thread glenda Goodman
HI MY DEAR HIDEYO, I AM SO SORRY MY TELLING YOU ALL
THIS HAS MAD SO MANY PEOPLE SAD. I AM ESPECIALLY SORRY
TO HAVE HURT YOU. PLEASE READ MY POST TO NINA. WE ARE
ALL HERE TO LEARN AND HELP EACH OTHER HELP OUR
ANIMALS. YOU HAVE BEEN SO WONDERFUL AND SO VALUABLE.
YOU HAVE GIVEN ME SOME OF MY VERY BEST INFORMATION.
YOU MAY HAVE SAVED THOSE LITTLE FIV POSITIVE KITTES
FROM BEING PUT DOWN . YOUR POST WAS VERY POWERFUL. I
FORWARDED IT TO THE TWO LADIES WITH THOSE KITTENS...AS
WELL AS SEVERAL OTHER VERY CONVINCING POSTS FROM
OTHERS HERE. I HAVE ALREADY CRIED SEVERAL TIMES
READING THESE POSTS HERE . I AM CRYING NOW. ONE THING
WE ALL HAVE TO AGREE ON, IS OUR ANIMALS ARE
PRECIOUS...HUMANS HAVE SO FAR TO GO. I ALWAYS SAY: I
WISH I COULD LIVE TO SEE THE DAY WHEN PEOPLE REALIZE
TO NEVER EXPLOIT OUR OTHER CREATURES, EXAMPLE , WE
NEED TO QUIT EATING ANYTHING WITH A FACE! MAYBE I AM A
BIT RADICAL  BUT I THINK MOST OF US HERE ARE ,ALL IN
OUR OWN WAY OR AT LEAST WE MIGHT SEEM TO BE IN ONE
ANOTHER'S OPINIONS.  I'M TRYING TO GET THROUGH THIS
LETTER FAST, NEED TO HEAD FOR WORK...MAYBE I'M NOT
MAKING A LOT OF SENSE TO SOME OUT THERE, BUT I DO FEEL
WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE HERE , BECAUSE WE ALL CARE
DEEPLY! I SEND YOU MY LOVE AND MY HEART HIDEYO. THANK
YOU FOR YOUR HELP WHEN I NEEDED HELP.
 GLENDA
--- HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 This is just horrible! I am sorry but I just don't
 understand why you even took him to the pound
 anyway. That's the studiest thing I ever heard!! (I
 am sorry - but I am just too upset about this
 situation) -- 
 Sometimes people may have a good intention, but just
 not good enough - a precious litel life is taken
 away from our ignorance -
 This just did it for me - I am going to unsubscribe
 the list - I cannot keep reading these posts. I wish
 I were stronger.  I wanted to help people who need a
 help and wanted to share my experience.   I can't
 stop crying to find out what happened to marmalade
 -- I hope whoever was involved in the lose of
 marmalade will learn a precious lesson and not to
 let her death in vain -
 
 But don't ever ever take feral to the pound -- I am
 so angry!! What were you thinking!!!?
 If you don't know what you are doing,, please know,
 sometimes, things are better untouched -- especially
 with feral kitties.
 
 I wish you all good luck, thank you those who
 suppored me when I needed it.
 
 Dear mamalade,
 Please forgive our ignorance and what we did to you
 - may your soul rest peace now, may your soul come
 back to have a longer and happier life - I am so
 very sorry,, I wish I could have done something to
 take you away before they did anything to you..
 The meantime, to honor your soul, I am going to name
 my little feral orange kitty whom I rescued a week
 ago, and who is now living with me, after you,
 Marmalade.
 
 my deepest love and hugs to you, precious little
 sould, marmalade..
 
 
 Hideyo
   - Original Message - 
   From: glenda
 Goodmanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   To:

felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
   Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:01 AM
   Subject: Fwd: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
 
 
 
   --- glenda Goodman

[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: glenda Goodman

[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
To:

felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

HELLO EVERYONE, 
THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE ADVICE AND
 SUPPORT.
THE
WORST HAS HAPPENED. I FEEL REALLY HORRIBLE RIGHT
NOW. 
I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW THE WORST
HAPPENED:  
WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS HE WAS PUT DOWN, BY MISTAKE.
 HIS
PAPER WORK WAS NOT READ. FOR AS OFTEN AS I WENT
 DOWN
THERE AND BUGGED THEM, I GUESS I ASSUMED
 EVERYONE
KNEW. EVEN THOUGH HE WAS IN THE 'WILD CAT'
SECTION...I
GUESS THE LESSON HERE IS: 

EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE ANGRY AND
UPSET
WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING AN ANIMAL DO NOT BE
AFRAID
TO GET IN SOMEONE'S FACE. THE FACT I DID NOT RUB
 IT
IN
A LITTLE MORE ON MY RIDE HOME FROM WORK TUESDAY
NIGHT
MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE REASON THIS MISTAKE
 HAPPENED. 

THE DIRECTOR, A REALLY SPECIAL PERSON, WHO I DO
 LOVE
AND RESPECT AND WITH WHOM I  HAVE A GOOD
RELATIONSHIP,
TOLD ME THE MINUTE THE MISTAKE WAS REALIZED SHE
 TOOK
MARMALADE'S LITTLE BODY TO THE CLINIC DOWN THE
STREET,
TO THE VET. HE WAS TESTED BY A GAL NAMED DARCY
 AT
MIDTOWN ANIMAL HOSPITAL IN GERING, NEBRASKA. THE
TEST
WAS NEGATIVE FOR FeLV AND FIV. THEY ESTIMATED
 THE
CAT
TO BE ABOUT 2-YEARS OLD. I WAS TOLD THEY FIRST
NOTICED
A LOT OF BATTLE SCARS ON HIM ,SO THEY THOUGHT HE
MIGHT
TEST POSITIVE...WELL, HE DIDNOT  TEST  
POSITIVE! 

I TOLD DEB S. , THE DIRECTOR, ON THE PHONE I
 WOULD
HAVE FOUGHT HER TOOTH AND NAIL TO SAVE THIS CAT
 IF
HE

Re: To Glenda and Marmalade

2007-08-09 Thread glenda Goodman
Heather,
 What a beautiful, sweet letter.Thank you for your
kindness and your personal story...
 What all this has done to me is make me determined to
do my small part to call attention to some issues here
in my little twin  towns of Scottsbluff and Gering,
Nebraska.
I will be writing  a letter to the editor of our local
paper. I will be addressing, our pathetic, lack of a
system, protecting homeless cats. Not all homeless
cats are wild , so the subject of my letter will not
be  the feral issue.It will be the homeless, neglected
animal issue all towns have... I will never know if
Marmalade was a wild 'feral cat or a very frightened,
misplaced, lost cat. He was not given a chance. 
I have been sick all day, feeling such a terrible loss
of a cat I will never get to know, because someone was
doing their job, just too fast and thoughtlessly. I
blame myself most of all for taking a short cut...It
was easier turning the cat over for the night. I
thought easier on the cat too...My mistake...
 I do appreciate Nina's letter and even though I want
to give the local shelter people here the benefit of
doubt, I do not trust most people in general, who do
the job of disposing of little lives. Many get too
hardened and are too automatic...There are probably
some who even enjoy it? The way the system is set up,
like they say, someone has to do it...BUT WHY...I
could never understand WHY.Why does anyone HAVE to do
it? 
 I Do not believe in breeding animals . I believe, if
by accident, a litter of animals comes forth in the
world the people caring for those animals should pay
large taxes and or fines...The reproduction of
companion animals should be very strictly
regulated.Breeding companion animals should never
profit anyone. Having a companion animal should be a
privilage and as valuable as having a  priceless jewel
...If dogs and cats were as rare as diamonds, they
would be more valued. They would be respected and
treated the way they deserve to be treated. The
production of diamonds is regulated to keep them
rare...thus, keeping them valuable and prized by
humans.The same principals should apply to animals.
Humans, in general, certainly have proved they do not
deserve the blessing of having little animal friends
:Just a thought...It is not working the way things are
now other than like everything else feeding the
economy...  
 Our shelters are like waste receptacles. They clean
up people's messes, greed, ugliness, mistakes,
heartaches, inadequacies...All the many reasons people
seek to have an animal and fail that animal is the
sewer of what our shelters are.  The end product of
our shelters is everything wrong with people. 
Our laws are awful...We each can feel so helpless and
yet so well intentioned, but what we are up against is
huge. 
About six ago a friend called me to tell me she had
found a small kitten in her aunt's yard. She told me
the kitten was sick with matted eyes...It was a
Saturday night. She said if I did not come quickly to
get it she would have to call a policeman to pick it
up.She lives in Scottsbluff; I live in Gering. We have
seperate police departments ,but both towns use the
same shelter. I went across town to get the kitten. It
was around 9:30 pm. I took it to a friend's, along
with supplies for the night. I tried to clean the
kitten up and feed it. This kitten was very sick. I
guess it was distemper? I had three kittens at my own
house, two with only the first vaccination and my 
FeLV+ kitten, so did not want to care for the kitten
in my own home...Early the next morning I was back
working on the kitten, trying to get food, water, and
antibiotics down him.It was then I discovered his eyes
were both ruptured...I found out this can happen if an
infection is not treated properly and is allowed to
continue... That sent me over the edge...I had no
place to go , had imposed enough on my friend...After
my friend's, had sat for several hours with the kitten
in a park by my houseThis, until a neighborhood
cat wandered up. I then left for fear of that cat
contracting, whatever it was affecting the kitten. I
was exhausted , depressed, saddened, alone with this
little cat with the horrible URI and matted and
ruptured eyes. I went over to the Humane Society
Director's House, Deb, on her day off, to ask her, if
there was anyone who would be available to help in a
situation such as mine. There was not. I was it. She
told me I could just have the kitten run down to the
shelter and because of his condition he would be put
to sleep Monday morning.I ended up at the local police
station with my carrier, the kitten, his food and
water.It was his eyes that made me just give up...I
was completely defeated... I picked my carrier up the
following Monday. End of story. 
Maybe I need to get kicked in the Butt twice, before I
get into gear to try and do my small part to make
things better for our animal friends here in my little
town?
 I absolutely promise to act in honor, of a wonderful
cat, I named Marmalade,who 

Re: Gus Please add to the CLS :(

2007-08-09 Thread glenda Goodman
Sherry, My heart is breaking today for all the cats
that will no longer get to enjoy the things cats do
enjoy...They are all so special. 
I'm sorry for Gus and for you, because I know you
loved him...Glenda
--- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 We lost our sweet Gus today,he had felv and fiv.His
 body just could not take any more.He came to the
 shelter a month before I started there almost 2
 years ago.He will be sadly missed.
   Sherry
 

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Re: To Glenda re. Marmalade

2007-08-10 Thread glenda Goodman
Thank you so much Wendy.
--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Glenda,
 
 I have been reading about you and Marmalade the past
 few days and mulling over all I have read.  I can
 completely see how each person can feel the way they
 do.  What happened is horrific.  I know all of us
 are saddened by it.  Obviously, you have learned
 your lesson and I can tell you feel badly about what
 happened.  I don't want to say something hurtful or
 mean, although what happened to Marmalade, honestly,
 has made me angry and sad.  However, as it has been
 pointed out, this happens every day to hundreds of
 animals in the world.  Marmalade is just one.  A
 grass roots foster/rescue program is needed, but who
 among us has the time or is willing to sacrifice? 
 We live in a damn rat race.  And I do not think that
 shelter work is every person's calling.  I am
 starting up a pet sitting business and taking care
 of my brood, among all the other stuff going on in
 my life.  Volunteering isn't part of the mix right
 now, but I do feel like I'm doing my part in my
  little corner of the world, for now.  
 
 I am glad you feel you can come here for help.  I
 think the people here are wonderful.  Hideyo is very
 intense.  I personally think she feels things more
 intensely than many of us do; that observation is
 based on what I have seen in the past.  I think she
 will come around again.  She's angry and hurt now,
 as many of us are, and you are the easiest target
 for that, unfortunately.  However, even though you
 made a mistake, it was not intentional, and you were
 trying to rectify it.  We ALL make mistakes.  Every
 last one of us.  One time, when I was just a girl,
 one of our cats (we had many) attacked my face.  I
 was trying to pet him and talking to him really
 sweet, and he just attacked me and scratched me up. 
 I was bleeding pretty good from several places, but
 my heart hurt more than my head.  He jumped off the
 bed and walked off like he was the cat's meow and I
 kicked him in the behind.  I was probably 8.  He
 died a few days after that.  He couldn't pee
  and my mom was the type not to waste money on our
 pets; she had to make sure she always had a six pack
 handy.  I have always felt really badly about that. 
 In hindsight, it's quite possible that this kitty
 had crystals or already had a UTI.  But I'll never
 know and I choose to carry the grief that comes
 along with the responsibility of a mistake.  I know
 there are probably others here who have
 unintentionally hurt an animal.  I am certainly
 holding no grudge against you as I have no room to
 judge your mistake.  I do hope that, as others have
 said, it can be turned into something good, for
 little Marmalade's sake.  That is all that can be
 done now.  Prayers going out for your heavy heart.  
 
 :)
 Wendy
  
 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
 committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
 is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade
 ~~~
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2007 12:01:23 PM
 Subject: Fwd: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
 
 
 --- glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
  From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  
  HELLO EVERYONE, 
  THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE ADVICE AND SUPPORT.
  THE
  WORST HAS HAPPENED. I FEEL REALLY HORRIBLE RIGHT
  NOW. 
  I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW THE WORST
  HAPPENED:  
  WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS HE WAS PUT DOWN, BY MISTAKE.
 HIS
  PAPER WORK WAS NOT READ. FOR AS OFTEN AS I WENT
 DOWN
  THERE AND BUGGED THEM, I GUESS I ASSUMED EVERYONE
  KNEW. EVEN THOUGH HE WAS IN THE 'WILD CAT'
  SECTION...I
  GUESS THE LESSON HERE IS: 
  
  EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE ANGRY AND
  UPSET
  WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING AN ANIMAL DO NOT BE
  AFRAID
  TO GET IN SOMEONE'S FACE. THE FACT I DID NOT RUB
 IT
  IN
  A LITTLE MORE ON MY RIDE HOME FROM WORK TUESDAY
  NIGHT
  MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE REASON THIS MISTAKE HAPPENED. 
  
  THE DIRECTOR, A REALLY SPECIAL PERSON, WHO I DO
 LOVE
  AND RESPECT AND WITH WHOM I  HAVE A GOOD
  RELATIONSHIP,
  TOLD ME THE MINUTE THE MISTAKE WAS REALIZED SHE
 TOOK
  MARMALADE'S LITTLE BODY TO THE CLINIC DOWN THE
  STREET,
  TO THE VET. HE WAS TESTED BY A GAL NAMED DARCY AT
  MIDTOWN ANIMAL HOSPITAL IN GERING, NEBRASKA. THE
  TEST
  WAS NEGATIVE FOR FeLV AND FIV. THEY ESTIMATED THE
  CAT
  TO BE ABOUT 2-YEARS OLD. I WAS TOLD THEY FIRST
  NOTICED
  A LOT OF BATTLE SCARS ON HIM ,SO THEY THOUGHT HE
  MIGHT
  TEST POSITIVE...WELL, HE DIDNOT  TEST  
  POSITIVE! 
  
  I TOLD DEB S. , THE DIRECTOR, ON THE PHONE I WOULD
  HAVE FOUGHT HER TOOTH AND NAIL TO SAVE THIS CAT IF
  HE
  WERE ALIVE AND TESTED OUT LIKE HE DID AND BEING
  YOUNG
  LIKE HE WAS...SHE COMPLETELY UNDERSTANDS WHERE IM
  COMING FROM AND I DO BELIEVE WE COULD HAVE COME TO
 A
  SOLUTION SOMEHOW

RE: To Glenda re. Marmalade

2007-08-10 Thread glenda Goodman
 of
 us are saddened by it.
 Obviously, you have learned your lesson and I can
 tell you feel badly about
 what happened.  I don't want to say something
 hurtful or mean, although what
 happened to Marmalade, honestly, has made me angry
 and sad.  However, as it
 has been pointed out, this happens every day to
 hundreds of animals in the
 world.  Marmalade is just one.  A grass roots
 foster/rescue program is
 needed, but who among us has the time or is willing
 to sacrifice?  We live
 in a damn rat race.  And I do not think that shelter
 work is every person's
 calling.  I am starting up a pet sitting business
 and taking care of my
 brood, among all the other stuff going on in my
 life.  Volunteering isn't
 part of the mix right now, but I do feel like I'm
 doing my part in my
  little corner of the world, for now.  
 
 I am glad you feel you can come here for help.  I
 think the people here are
 wonderful.  Hideyo is very intense.  I personally
 think she feels things
 more intensely than many of us do; that observation
 is based on what I have
 seen in the past.  I think she will come around
 again.  She's angry and hurt
 now, as many of us are, and you are the easiest
 target for that,
 unfortunately.  However, even though you made a
 mistake, it was not
 intentional, and you were trying to rectify it.  We
 ALL make mistakes.
 Every last one of us.  One time, when I was just a
 girl, one of our cats (we
 had many) attacked my face.  I was trying to pet him
 and talking to him
 really sweet, and he just attacked me and scratched
 me up.  I was bleeding
 pretty good from several places, but my heart hurt
 more than my head.  He
 jumped off the bed and walked off like he was the
 cat's meow and I kicked
 him in the behind.  I was probably 8.  He died a few
 days after that.  He
 couldn't pee
  and my mom was the type not to waste money on our
 pets; she had to make
 sure she always had a six pack handy.  I have always
 felt really badly about
 that.  In hindsight, it's quite possible that this
 kitty had crystals or
 already had a UTI.  But I'll never know and I choose
 to carry the grief that
 comes along with the responsibility of a mistake.  I
 know there are probably
 others here who have unintentionally hurt an animal.
  I am certainly holding
 no grudge against you as I have no room to judge
 your mistake.  I do hope
 that, as others have said, it can be turned into
 something good, for little
 Marmalade's sake.  That is all that can be done now.
  Prayers going out for
 your heavy heart.  
 
 :)
 Wendy
  
 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
 committed citizens can change
 the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever
 has! ~~~ Margaret Meade
 ~~~
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2007 12:01:23 PM
 Subject: Fwd: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
 
 
 --- glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
  From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: MARMALADE...THE OUTCOME...
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  
  HELLO EVERYONE, 
  THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR THE ADVICE AND SUPPORT.
  THE
  WORST HAS HAPPENED. I FEEL REALLY HORRIBLE RIGHT
  NOW. 
  I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW HOW THE WORST
  HAPPENED:  
  WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS HE WAS PUT DOWN, BY MISTAKE.
 HIS
  PAPER WORK WAS NOT READ. FOR AS OFTEN AS I WENT
 DOWN
  THERE AND BUGGED THEM, I GUESS I ASSUMED EVERYONE
  KNEW. EVEN THOUGH HE WAS IN THE 'WILD CAT'
  SECTION...I
  GUESS THE LESSON HERE IS: 
  
  EVEN IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE ANGRY AND
  UPSET
  WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING AN ANIMAL DO NOT BE
  AFRAID
  TO GET IN SOMEONE'S FACE. THE FACT I DID NOT RUB
 IT
  IN
 
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RE: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

2007-08-10 Thread glenda Goodman
Melissa, This is a perfect idea...I'm glad you brougt
it up. It should just be a rule to remember...it is so
logical. 
As for Caroline: I have been reading your progress
with your little girl kitty and it has been , for me,
a bright spot during my miserable failures with my
situation this week. I am very proud of you and your
mom and happy for this dear little cat. Maybe you will
end up keeping her in your family?  I would be
completely firm with these people...I do not know how
you can demand payment though, but they need to show
some enthusiasm for wanting to pay the expenses . If
they do not, they are just not good people and not a
good home for the kitty... I'd say, I think I found
your cat...A friend of a friend has her and I heard
there were some vet bills. Do you want me to try to
locate your cat for you? You are a lawyer after
all...Glenda  
--- Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Caroline,
 
  
 
 I think it's great what you are doing! I'm very
 happy that your mom is
 getting on board with it! I know my family admires
 (even though they may not
 understand) my compassion for animals, but getting
 them to help, even
 reluctantly, is something I haven't been able to do
 as of late. Good for
 you!
 
  
 
 As for the owner-issue, with my rescued cats back in
 April, I advertised
 them as found cats (without description), and stated
 that the owners must
 describe the cat and pay the vet bill. I thought
 that if they really loved
 their kitty that they would do anything to get it
 back-no matter the cost.
 And if they couldn't afford it, then they would at
 least try their hardest
 to convince me that they deserved the kitty back
 even if they couldn't pay.
 I did not think this was out of line at all, and of
 course, as my husband
 predicted, no one came forward to claim the kitties.
 I knew that one was a
 stray (lived out of a dumpster) and the other might
 have been a back-door
 feeder but was severely neglected. 
 
  
 
 If I understand correctly (I've been reading stories
 very quickly), you have
 the contact info of the owners? I would get kitty
 all fixed up nice-then let
 them know the bill. If they love kitty, they'll pay
 (or at least try).
 
  
 
 I'm very happy for you guys-especially at your
 abilities to get lowered vet
 bills-way to go!!!
 
  
 
 Melissa
 
  
 
   _  
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
 Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:29 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat
 
  
 
 My mom took the cat we rescued Sat. to her regular
 vet today.  I couldn't
 get a hold of my Shamrock contact (she lost her cell
 phone in the bushes
 somewhere crawling around doing a kitten rescue-
 typical- this explains why
 I couldn't get a hold of her!).  My mom was just
 really frustrated and felt
 she couldn't wait on Shamrock or anyone of those
 groups to help us get the
 cat into a vet that would treat her half
 price/discounted.  She wanted to
 make sure we were dealing only with malnutrition and
 an upper respiratory
 infection.  She ended up seeing a relief vet and my
 mom says she spent the
 first 15 mins arguing with the vet over what the cat
 needed, what they
 were/weren't going to do to her, and finding the
 owner.  The vet pressured
 my mom into calling the vet number listed on the
 rabies tag AGAIN- even
 though we never heard from him and know that he has
 other clinics that are
 open in Louisville- well, when she called, she got a
 live person!  That
 person looked up the rabies tag and gave my mom the
 owner information, so
 we have that now.  The cat's name is Nosey...I
 mean..., I don't
 knowyour alls' guesses are as good as
 mine...that's all I will say about
 that.
 
 My mom bargained down the vet and since she now had
 the owner info, I guess
 the dr. let her off the hook as far as not doing
 EVERYTHING that a vet would
 usually do with a rescued cat.  They did a fecal and
 surprisingly, she
 doesn't have worms.  Although, she could still have
 tape worms since I found
 a live flea on her- but we are going to wait on
 that.  I can always get a
 tapeworm pill from Shamrock if I need to.  She
 weighs 5 lbs, 5
 ounces!!!  I told you she was
 malnourished!  The vet had
 trouble aging her and guessed 5 years.  I think
 she's a little off there--
 she has tarter on her teeth, but not tons and she
 has no grey tarter- just
 the yellow, so I think she's younger than 5, but
 over 2 years.  I think the
 vet's being thrown off by the malnourishment.  
 
 She sneezed for the vet, so she's putting her on
 oral clavamox.
 Surprisingly, the vet said everything we've been
 doing for her is right and
 then some...we wrote out a list that included
 everything- the colostrum,
 food, etc., which my mom handed to the vet when she
 walked in.  So I guess
 we know more of what we are doing than we thought. 
 AND my usually reluctant
 to do rescues mother has even said 

Re: Moe has taken a turn for the worse...

2007-08-10 Thread glenda Goodman
Beckie, I'm so sorry to hear Moe is not feeling well
today. I do not know how yucky tasting the pills ate
that he is taking, but with my kitties that I give
pills,  I crush the pills up and mix 'sardines in
spring water'. I talked before about this, when I
discovered them at Walmart.They are .50 a large flat
container...They are also wild caught, by the way...
 I would always give my cats a dab of tuna as a treat
when they would mind and for example, come racing
across the yard when I would call their name...The
results were amazing... I am scared to give tuna too
often, but needed to find something they liked ,so
found the sardines...I have noticed my younger cats
are crazy about sardines,but the older guys that had
gotten used to tuna were harder to shift over, but are
starting to accept the change. 
I really try not to give tuna too often ,because of
the mercury content...I found out from several on this
site, human grade tuna was also hard on our cat's
kidney's...I thought it had to be better than regular
catfood tuna...wrong...I have gotten a lot of good
info on yummy healthy foods on this site and just have
not gotten down to ordering anything yet ,but will get
on it soon...
Back to the pills you are giving...The pills I give
are only multi vitaminsfor cats and lysine...I know
they do not taste too terrible, but without the
sardine trick I'd never get them down my kitties that
take them. They just scarf everything up in the mashed
sardines...do not even notice...
Good luck with your Moe...Glenda
--- Beckie McRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well Moeman has gotten REALLY sick again.  
 
 He's got huge bumps ALL around his neck, like he's
 wearing a collar or
 something, but he doesn't.  I called the vet and
 explained to her that
 since I've already had him in there 3 times, I
 couldn't afford to keep
 bringing him back and asked for Clavomox
 (spelling?).  When our other
 cat McGhee was really sick like this that's what she
 had and we would
 notice a difference in her in a matter of hours. 
 The vet said it would
 upset his stomach and make him more sick.  She said
 to try to give him a
 benydryl (again spelling?) and see how that goes for
 the weekend.  We
 gave him 25mg last night, and he FINALLY went to
 sleep.  I seriously
 don't think this poor little thing has gotten a good
 night's sleep in
 weeks.  He's CONSTANTLY scratching, or licking, it's
 bad.  So when we
 got up this morning he seemed to be a little
 perkier, but not much.
 Hopefully the benydryl will work and he'll get his
 strength back.  Only
 thing is we have the pills, and I feel HORRIBLE when
 we give them to
 him.  Mitch has to hold him by his neck, then I have
 to pry his mouth
 open, etcI've tried crushing it up and putting
 it food, but he knows
 it's there and won't touch it.  Even wet food, which
 is like a treat for
 him!  Any ideas on how I could crush up a pill and
 have him take it
 without even knowing it?
 
  
 
 Thanks guys.  I swear, sometimes I wonder what I did
 before I found you
 all.
 
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Re: My little Sammy went to Heaven

2007-08-10 Thread glenda Goodman
Taylor, I know he was precious to you. You did
everything  imaginable to comfort him and extend his
life.
 My heart is with you.
 I know your heart will be with me, when I will need
the comfort of someone who understands, just how hard
it really is, to lose a little love, like your Sammy.
 I'm so sorry he had to suffer, but I know , because
you were with him every step of the way, he felt so
happy and loved, that he probably did not realize all
that his body was going through...I can feel that...
Glenda  
--- Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Dear Everyone:
 
 I'm so sorry to report that my dear Sammy went to
 Heaven on Tuesday  
 morning.  He had gone into Animal 911 the evening
 before.  He felt  
 quite warm and when I took his temperature it was
 106 so off we  
 went.  He stayed overnight in the ICU, hydrated,
 etc., and I knew he  
 was in the right place that night.  His WBC count
 was dismal, his  
 RBC's were dismal, he was very quiet when I picked
 him up to move him  
 to Berglund for continued care.  After discussion
 with the ICU folks,  
 who felt that the lymphoma once again had the upper
 hand, I knew it  
 was time to say farewell and I made the decision to
 have him PTS over  
 at Berglund.
 
 We drove the five minutes to Berglund where I was
 met by his Auntie  
 Head Tech Linda and Auntie Dr. Val.  I had picked up
 a beautiful  
 little baby blanket earlier in the week-- blue and
 white cotton knit  
 with a small ruffle around the edge, lined in soft
 white fur, and  
 Sammy was wrapped in that, in my arms.  They agreed
 it was time and  
 I'm pretty sure Sammy did, too.  He was so tired for
 such a little  
 guy, but he wasn't in pain, just so very, very
 tired.  When Val put  
 the sleepy meds into the IV on his wrist he went to
 sleep  
 IMMEDIATELY.  As she added the meds to stop his
 little heart she  
 said, I love you, Sammy.
 
 Linda cut off some of Sammy's beautiful marmalade
 hair for me and Val  
 put it in a little plastic bag.  Linda made sure I
 got all Sammy's  
 colors, too.  I wrapped him back up and held him
 close and just sat  
 and cried in the exam room, stroking his beautiful
 little face until  
 it was time to give him away forever.  Every so
 often someone would  
 peek in to say how sorry they were.  Linda said she
 was making a  
 little paw-print disc of Sammy's little paw for me
 and, of course, I  
 was having him cremated at St. Francis Animal
 Cemetery.  My dad  
 always buried the cats in our back yard but I
 cremate mine (even the  
 tiny parakeets, who are each in tiny blue-and-white
 ginger jars).   
 The little plastic bag of fur will fit right in the
 little St.  
 Francis tin, with a picture of St. Francis on it and
 a little St.  
 Francis animal tag inside.
 
 Poor Sammy, he was so very small--he'd lost a pound
 over the last  
 twelve days--I could feel him growing cool so fast
 as I held him, I  
 disliked that so!
 
 I've been staying close to home with the other
 kitties.  I think  
 we're all doing okay.  The other kitties always knew
 Sammy was very  
 seriously ill and we were  

allyuuu===(hello,
 Charlie has  
 jumped up, purring, to see me and let me hold him
 tight while I write  
 to you all)
 
   
 doing all we could to help him stay well, but he was
 overcome.  And  
 now we're overcome.
 
 I'm sure he was met by that great Big Brother in the
 sky, my giant  
 kitty and champion kitten-adorer Jack-Jack, who went
 to Heaven last  
 March before the triplets arrived on July 1st of
 last year, and all  
 the other cats my parents and I have had over the
 years.
 
 Think of how many kittens and cats will meet us
 again someday!
 
 Thank you all for everything you have given me and
 how much you have  
 helped me and the kitties,
 
 Tee 'n' the Remaining Wildlife (Lilibet Squeekietoy,
 exemplary kitten- 
 big-sissy, Billi Bi, reluctant, peeved [I'M the
 baby!] eldest  
 brother, and the 2 Orange Boyz, great big Charlie,
 AKA Twinkie (he's  
 twinkie-colored and was teenie when he was small),
 and Teddy Baby  
 Pooma (he was so little--he still is--I told him he
 was a baby puma  
 to make him feel big and strong).
 
 
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   and Physicality is its
   Manifestation.
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Re: Inky is 21 now!!!!

2007-08-12 Thread glenda Goodman
Kerry, 
That is super!
 HAPPY BIRTHDAY INKY!
 With all the sad news we hear every day, thank you
for the little perk of good news. I'm sorry about your
Bandy.
 Because I am new, like a lot of us here, I'd be
interested to know how long you had your Bandy and
were Inky and Bandy allowed to mix? How old was Bandy
when you discovered the FeLV and FIV?  You certainly
are a blessing to your little ones! Thank you for
stopping in. 
Glenda
--- Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi everyone, 
   I haven't been here in awhile, and I do see there
 are many new people..So just want you all to know
 (those of you that remember us) that Inky turned 21
 last Thursday..I know he isn't felv+, but you guys
 helped me with some of his problems while I was
 dealing with my Bandy's illness.  We are always
 thankful for your knowledge and compassion for our
 fur babies.  Inky had blood work about 3 wks ago and
 his hyper-t has gotten worse, but the increase in
 meds is working again so far...kidney values are
 still high, but better...and the ibd is doing ok..
 so he is my shining star..
   Bandy has been gone little over 6 months now and I
 miss him so..He will always be with me.
   My best to you all and I hope all your babies are
 doing well today..If we can ever help, please email
 me direct..I am going to try to catch up.  If any of
 my experiences with Bandy (who was FIV+ and Felv+) I
 would be glad to offer what I can.  We dealt with
 alot of different things.
   Our best to you all, 
   Kerry, Angel's Bandy, Lil Rascal, Buster, Snoopy,
 Striper, Albert and Alberta
   Inky and the rest of the crew
 

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Re: OT: oh Lordy!

2007-08-12 Thread glenda Goodman
Susan, 
It is a bit morbid...but this could be a good way for
our  cats to work out their frustrations with people?
Try a little Ken doll as an experiment...maybe a GI
Joe?  I'd be a little concerned, if this caught on,
with ,for example , our larger cats in zoos. using
say, mannequins. When you imagine that, it would be
difficult to believe they did not realize what they
were doing... 
I do have every confidence, our smaller cats
comprehend that the little toy people are
reproductions of humans. I have noticed that cats are
much more able to appreciate television, for example,
than a dogs...Cats are very adept at figuring out
concepts. 
I hope you do not have long blond hair...just
joking...
Bless your heart and keep having fun with your
family...I appreciate you! 
Glenda
--- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yeap.
 
 Prom Queen Barbie, w/ her long blond hair, headless
  naked face down in my cats' water bowl...
 
 Who the hell knows where her Tiara is...
 
 Probably in the litterbox.
 
 Do you think there is something from my warped
 childhood projecting here?
 
 
 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
 www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
 www.shadowcats.net
   As Cleopatra lay
 in state,
Faithful Bast at
 her side did wait,
Purring welcomes
 of soft applause,
Ever guarding
 with sharpened claws.
  Trajan
 Tennent
 
 
 
 
   - Original Message - 
   From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey 
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
   Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 10:38 PM
   Subject: Re: OT: oh Lordy!
 
 
   Oh, AS USUAL from YOU, what a great story!  I'm
 heading for Goodwill!
 
 
   xxx, Tee 'n' the Wildlife
 
 
   Consciousness is Causal 
and Physicality is its
Manifestation.
 
 
 
 
   On Aug 11, 2007, at 9:21 PM, Susan Dubose wrote:
 
 
 My cats are devils in fur.
 
 Gattos diablos... :)
 
 Their FAVORITE toy in the world?
 
 Detached barbie doll heads.
 
 Flowing in their water bowls, face down.
 
 And the funny part?
 
 I pick them up @ Good Will all day for a few
 cents, fully clothed w/ heads attached.
 
 
 In just a few short days, I find Barbie's prom
 dress in one corner, her naked headless body in
 another.
 
 The head still has hair, but it has been ravaged
 to the point of mere fluff.
 
 And everyone thinks I'M the crazy one in the
 family.
 
 But them again, they are momma's babies.. 
 :)
 
 Nothing cuter than my Princess Purr-laaa AKAS
 Kannibal Kitty walking around meowing  cooing w/
 a caught Barbie doll 
 
 She's soo cute..
 
 
 It's the REAL Addams Family..
 
 
 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
 www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
 www.shadowcats.net
   As Cleopatra
 lay in state,
Faithful Bast
 at her side did wait,
Purring
 welcomes of soft applause,
Ever guarding
 with sharpened claws.
 
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Re: Success!

2007-08-13 Thread glenda Goodman
Beckie,
What a great letter and bit of information...and you
handled your vet perfectly! Good for you Beckie! 
I wonder how many vets peek in on this list? If I were
you, I'd seriously be looking for a new vet, but not
sure if you live in a larger or smaller community?
Sometimes we are just stuck with what we get. I know
when I decided to break ties with my vet, because he
continued to vaccinate my cats between the shoulder
blades, even after one of my cats ended up with
lump...that concerned him enough surgery was
scheduled...
The lump went away in the nick of time. Also, his
first impulse was to put down my healthy, FeLV+ little
girl, I called around and quizzed  vet techs at other
clinics with questions like : Where does this vet ,
that vet, vaccinate...and who is best with
cats...After reading up online I began looking for a
vet that agreed with the recent research pertaining to
cats...
My new vet , went into this whole explanation about
why she vaccinates along the upper side of the
ribcage. She told me it is because if a cancer
develops in a vaccination site it is the
easiest/safest place to remove it. My old vet told me
he was not concerned ,because only one or two cats out
of 10,000 cats, might developed a cancerous tumor at a
vaccination site. 
 According to my current vet,the site between the
shoulder blades is very difficult to remove a tumor
from. She said the vertebras are scraped somehow in
the process...That's what she said... 
For where I live, I have about the best cat- friendly
vet I can find. 
There really is no excuse for withholding knowledge
from you that might have helped you. As desperate as
you have been to help your cats and for all your
heartaches...Her answer to you was just lame. Her
answer reflected everything wrong with vets: the
doctor, your animal for profit issue, while neglecting
to really want to do everything in her power to make
your cats well. With a vet, with that attitude, one
has to wonder how far she might go, just for the sake
of the dollar...Pretty scary...
.I'd never heard of pill pockets before finding these
guys...I have one cat that is impossible to get a pill
down, no matter what I try. He is my 13 year old;can't
trick him...He gets tapeworms, sorry to admit, from
years of bad habits. He has to be wormed every 2-3
months. He can often spit the pills out and always
foams at the mouth...It is a struggle. I'll see if
Pill Pockets work for him...
Thanks, Glenda   
--- Beckie McRae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, Friday, I went and got the Pill Pockets. 
 (Chicken Flavored, my
 cats hate seafood, go figure), Went home, wrapped
 the Benedryl in it,
 and..WA LA!  Down it went!  I was SO
 happy!!!
 
 The lady at the pet store also told me about these
 bath wipes so I got a
 pack of those.  They're like baby wipes, and you
 just rub them down, and
 it helps to moisturize their skin, and his coat is
 so soft!  I just wipe
 him down once a day, (which he LOVES by the way). 
 Also, they have aloe,
 so that helps with his scratching.  Amazingly
 enough, the lady at the
 pet store was more helpful than the vet!  When I got
 home, and saw how
 everything worked, I IMMEDIATELY got on the phone
 with the vet and
 ripped her a new one.  I wanted to know why she
 hadn't told me about
 these products especially since I voiced to her MANY
 times how bad the
 pilling was going, and how bad his skin was.  Hell,
 she SAW it!  Her
 response?  We don't endorse other products than what
 we sell here.  Well
 I proceeded to tell her that when she became a vet
 she took an oath to
 care for an ailing animal NO MATTER WHAT, and even
 though they don't
 endorse those products, she STILL could have
 suggested them.  I told
 her if it was THAT big of a deal maybe THEY should
 start getting wipes,
 and pill pockets there to ENDORSE so that other
 people and their
 animals don't have to go through what we've been.  I
 told her that I
 would NEVER be coming back to her, and I WOULD be
 filing a report with
 the better business bureau, and ANYONE who asks me
 for a vet, I will
 them to go ANYWHERE but there.  I was HOT
 
  
 
 Thanks again guys!
 
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Re: To Glenda and Marmalade

2007-08-13 Thread glenda Goodman
I hate to get back on this again, but I believe this
cat was once someone's cat...When I looked at this
kitty and he looked at me, in the light of my friend's
cell phone that night, I knew he was not born feral.
There was that moment of communication. I was sure he
just needed a little work and a little time to become
adoptable. 
I will be hurting for the rest of my life over this! I
was very upset he was put in with the 'wild cats as I
was told, that next morning. I said I did not believe
he was wild! This one worker said he was howling at
her. Another gal, at another point in time, only said,
He is not friendly. Well, he knew the hell hole he
was in with people that did not try to be kind to him.
I named him...he was going to be taken under my
wing...My friend, asked me why this cat was so
important to me, this when I told her I planned to
take this cat on. I told her, because he was smart,
beautiful, and a survivor and I respected him... I
wanted to restore his faith in people...I wanted him
to get a good home. I felt he deserved that. This cat
had character...I could tell... He had slept one night
on my friend's front porch...how feral is that? This
cat wanted a home. I do not mean to be back here
bringing all this up again...I have made everyone ,
including myself crazy with this...I will be bringing
up a lot of points to the public here about this cat
that I am bringing up here. I am going over certain
points, getting ready to hit them...
This shelter is just too reckless with our
animals...This dark hole they confine the cats, they
consider feral, is a place I want brought out into the
light...This is crap! I am still so broken up over
this I still am looking through my tears...At any
given moment they could have someone's cat in their
feral holding section . When I wrote to you guys
with that letter: WHAT ARE MY RIGHTS HERE: I was
writing as a person out in the public, someone who
pays taxes...I could not believe they actually shut
certain animals out of public view, like they are bad,
diseased, horrible creatures...I feel we have a right
to see and know what our local shelters are doing at
all times. I probably have 10Xs the cat experience as
any new hire down there who might decide a certain cat
iswild. They never even used the word , feral. I
doubt they know the definition of feral...
Well, he might have been a little difficult for me to
stick my hand into the trap the night he was caught,
but I knew he would come around , because he was calm
when I talked to him. It was just going to take time
to gain his trust...I absolutely knew I had something
to work with...I'm so sorry guys! Glenda 
--- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That would be the fault IF the cat had ever even had
 a pet owner.  As far as Glenda knew, this cat was
 feral..
   t
 
 Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   There's a very simple, responsible remedy for
 this, at least for pet owners who purport to be
 responsible --- KEEP YOUR PETS INSIDE OR IN AN
 ENCLOSURE OR SUPERVISED ON A LEASH OR HARNESS when
 outside.  There in my opinion, is NO excuse not to
 and if you don't you have no reason or excuse to cry
 when one gets hit by a car, eaten by wildlife or
 killed by a animal hating neighbor  I personally
 find it extremely hard to have sympathy for anyone
 under these circumstances.
 
   I even read one, if not two, news stories of
 another AS in our state who put down someone's pet
 who had been located, the people had called and were
 on their way to pick it up, get there, and it's
 gone.
 
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RE: How to Keep Tags on Your cat???

2007-08-13 Thread glenda Goodman
My cats get to go outside while I'm home working in my
yard...They never wander, except a couple of them
might head down to my friend's ,which is about 3/4ths
of a block...I check on them every 30 min if I lose
sigt of them. I always used to think I wanted my cats
to have pretty collars and cute tags...wanted them to
look loved. I own a number of collars and tags, but
have you ever tested those break-away collars? They do
not break away! They work about as well as those
plastic things they wrap around pop cans or beer cans,
that are supposed to break away for the environment,
baloney.   The stretch type collars with the little
elastic string things are better, but they get stuck
on bushes and trees...They get lost...
I just feel collars are too dangerous.  Chipping and
ear tatoos on my cats is what I use. The ear tatoos
let everyone visually see your cat is loved,claimed
and the chip is a backup. Like, I think my cats are so
cute, I think everyone would want to steal
them...Well, say you are missing your cat...When you
advertise you mention the ear tatoo, then the chip and
offer a decent reward...My  thinking is, if someone
actually did take my kitty, they would be happy just
to settle for the reward...These are my thoughts...
I know, keeping your cats completely inside at all
times is the safest/smartest way to care for your
cats, but one  my biggest joys is watching my cats
have fun...climbing trees, catching grasshoppers and
just looking at how beautiful they look just walking
around in my flowers or rolling around on the lawn. 
--- Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Wendy,
 
  
 
 I'm not sure if your cats go outside. Mine don't,
 and I have never even
 considered putting a collar on them. I never really
 thought about the health
 risks (like choking), but I knew my kitties would
 absolutely despise
 collars. Plus, with the tags jingling, they'd never
 be able to sneak up on
 each other (or us). I know there is a risk of them
 escaping when we go in
 and out, but really they haven't tried to run
 outside in at least a year. I
 guess it's a difficult subject to decide on. Yes,
 we've had emergencies
 where the door was left open and they got out, but
 we live in such a small
 town (without animal control, per se), that I think
 the benefits outweigh
 the risks in my case. Sorry I'm not much help!
 
  
 
 Melissa
 
  
 
   _  
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of wendy
 Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 3:22 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: OT: How to Keep Tags on Your cat???
 
  
 
 Chris's post below sparked a question I have.  I
 have a couple of cats that
 constantly lose their collars.  Any ideas on how to
 get them to keep them
 on?  I always use break-aways because I'm afraid of
 my cat hanging
 themselves on something.  In fact, our 6 lb. Julie
 the other day, came and
 woke me up wearing her collar like a girdle, because
 I hadn't tightened it
 up very much (new collar), and she got her paw
 through it and the break away
 didn't give (it didn't need to; too much room
 still).  It was funny, but
 kinda scary.  Anyone have any ideas?
 
  
 
 :)
 
 Wendy
  
 
 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
 committed citizens can change
 the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever
 has! ~~~ Margaret
 Meade ~~~
 
  
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 10:54:56 AM
 Subject: RE: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat
 
 If this cat has been out there a long time, it is
 possible they no longer
 live there.  I hate to be the voice of dissent, but
 I've been through this
 for 2 years now-there are sooo many reasons why a
 cat was lost.  Nobody
 would ever dump a cat with a collar  tags! 
 Actually, it's a pretty
 responsible thing to put collar and tags on a cat
 that goes outside-most
 people don't cause cats are notorious for pulling
 them off.  If this is as
 sweet a cat as you describe him, somebody's got to
 be missing him.  Call
 them-feel them out. bet you'll be surprised!
 
  
 
 Christiane Biagi
 
 914-632-4672
 
 Cell:  914-720-6888
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  
 
 Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)
 
 www.findkpets.org http://www.findkpets.org/ 
 
  
 
 Join Us  Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families
 with their Animals
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
 Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 11:08 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat
 
  
 
 
 Oh my god!  Now I know why I post my lengthy stories
 to you guys (more than
 just venting)!  Everyone has made such wonderful
 suggestions- I really
 appreciate it.  We have the owners address so this
 is what I will suggest to
 my mom that we do.  That way, we can make the owners
 come to us!  We can
 make a flyer tonight and post it on their street. 
 Ironically, they live
 near the neighborhood I grew up in in Louisville 

Re: Benjamin Please add to the CLS :(

2007-08-15 Thread glenda Goodman
Sherry,
 I'm so sorry. 
All the attention and love you gave him had to have
made Benny happy. 
You are taking these kittie's pain on to yourself and
in the process replacing their pain with little pieces
of  joy, to make their days so much better.  
I'm comforted to know there are lovely people like you
out there working, so hard, to make the world a better
place. 
I'm sorry you are sad...Just know, what you are doing
is very appreciated!  
Thank you for letting us know. 
Glenda   
--- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am writing this in tears,Benny was such a sweet
 sweet black kitty.He was just wasting away to
 nothing.I tried to get him to eat everytime I was
 there.Monday he ate many treats(which he lived for)
 and a bit of canned food.But he was down to 7 pounds
 from 14.We tried everything and Jen said WE can't
 keep him here just for US it just is not fair to
 him.I agree but it hurts so very much.I am sorry for
 all the sad posts I write,it is a hard job
 volunteering for sick kitties.Thank you all for
 helping me through it all.
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Re: OT: deer hunters: Greater heart attack risk

2007-08-18 Thread glenda Goodman
My take on this is most guys who hunt are fat cats who
eat a lot of meat and can afford to take hunting
trips...
This means, they often hold high end jobs, where they
sit at a desk all day. Hunting restores that need in
them to feel like real men. 
For starters, these out of shape creeps, need to
become VEGETARIANS and take it from there. People who
kill animals for sport have no soul. The types that
really are the most disgusting are the hunters that
hunt  for huge fees, in these fenced in parks, where
the animals are often retired zoo animals or old and
sick wildlife. Texas is full of these places. Too bad
the wildlife can't be armed with all the modern
weapons with scopes and lasers and things could be
reversed.How would thesehunters like seeing their
mom or children murdered before their very eyes? 
Maybe hunting needs to be replaced by hiking and
people need to appreciate looking at our beautiful
wildlife enjoying their lives and feeling happy and
secure in our beautiful places? 
 Glenda 
--- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 Found this very interesting.  Of course, I wonder if
 it has anything to do with your inner spirit knowing
 that it is not right to harm these beautiful animals
 and this is punishment for their ignorance.
 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070817/hl_nm/deer_risk_dc
 
 
 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
 www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
 www.shadowcats.net
   As Cleopatra lay
 in state,
Faithful Bast at
 her side did wait,
Purring welcomes
 of soft applause,
Ever guarding
 with sharpened claws.
  Trajan
 Tennent
 
 
 
 



   

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Re: OT: deer hunters: Greater heart attack risk

2007-08-18 Thread glenda Goodman
 Well, let's see if there is anything else mean we can
say about those guys...I forgot about the gun in their
pants not working...
--- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, it's too bad that they just don't care about
 animals, except for their 
 purebred huntin' dog.
 
 They just want something to hang on their wall to
 make up for inadequacies 
 they have elsewhere, if ya catch my drift 
 :)
 
 And don't get me started on canned hunts
 
 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
 www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
 www.shadowcats.net
   As Cleopatra lay
 in state,
Faithful Bast at
 her side did wait,
Purring welcomes
 of soft applause,
Ever guarding
 with sharpened claws.
  Trajan
 Tennent
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 10:04 AM
 Subject: Re: OT: deer hunters: Greater heart attack
 risk
 
 
 AGREE ...hiking, and photo taking would be, dare I
 say, spiritual.
 I have learned more from watching deer in my yard
 for years than any hunter
 learns from stalking and killing innocents.
 They ARE families. I have watched bucks play
 fighting with fawns and bucks
 grooming each other, does grooming each other. When
 a yearling was wounded
 by a bow hunter (she survived the wound through
 winter. Have not seen her
 for awhile now) a doe was comforting her...it
 brought tears to my eyes. They
 are so loving.
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OT: A quiet day...

2007-08-18 Thread glenda Goodman
Hey Guys, 
Personally, I always enjoy seeing people who hurt
animals suffer. I noticed Susan was not getting a lot
of feedback on her slam on hunters... I felt like it
was a good topic for a quiet afternoon...
I thought it was understood ,the types we are talking
about, are the people who hunt for sport. To make
matters worse,these sorts often have their kids out
shooting guns too, by the time the little fellows are
able to pick one up. I have seen little kids who are
taught to be proud of killing soft furry, doe eyed
animals and gorgeous birds...The last thing on their
minds is eating what they kill. They would rather eat
Fruit Loops and go to Pizza Hut...Anyway, I  find that
type of parent and child training scary...Kids should
be taught to have compassion and to be kind to
creatures that are at their mercy... 
 On the other hand, I do try to respect the decision
of families that seek to add to their menus and
balance out their grocery budget by adding wild game
to their freezer. Things are not getting any easier
and times are probably getting a lot harder for a lot
of people who work very hard to make  a living. There
are probably other ways to stretch the food budget,
but it might take some imagination...a little extra
work... 
Sadly, the way the world is going, going out and
killing wildlife is something we did a hundred years
ago. It is not something we are going to be able to do
a hundred years from now...It is really out of date
already...but a lot of people do not know it yet...It
is a huge hype ,so someone can make money...
Our world is simply shrinking in its habitat for
animals as well as for people. It takes eight acres of
land to support each individual human being in the
world today.  Instead of people trying to shoot,
poison, stuff, and/or eat every animal they set their
eyes on, they need to come up with solutions on how to
get more bang out of each acre of land and to cherish
and protect all the other species of life. 
If we do not look at the big picture now, the picture
in fifty years will not include any wild animals at
all.  If deer populations get too large, maybe a form
of birth control might be in order?  Our deer can also
be affected by diseases that make eating their flesh
very undesirable...something to consider... so losing
them as a food commodity is not like a huge
sacrifice...
Unfortunately, man has screwed up the natural
processes that once kept our deer populations in check
and also limited the land mass our wild animals have
to live on... I mean, we do not go out and start
shooting people when the human population gets too
large, or, do we? Which opens up a whole new subject:
war...
Oh well, but let's not forget: animals have feelings
too and they have every positive emotion us humans
have. How would we feel if the roles were reversed?
How would you feel if you were a deer enjoying a nice
afternoon with your family and suddenly you were
attacked by crazy, out of control humans with bullets
or arrows that tore into your body or a family member
standing next to you?  Where is empathy in our world
today, folks?   
It is a shame vegetarianism is not for everyone,
because it is the most logical way to live today in
this over populated world and also the kindest way to
take care of our planet. A carefully planned
vegetarian diet is also the healthist choice for the
human body.  
One of the best places to go to learn about the
advantage of going vegetarian is peta.org 
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Re: OT Deer Hunters

2007-08-19 Thread glenda Goodman
Boy oh boy! For anyone offended by yesterday's posts
you need to read more carefully to catch the meaning
of what was being discussed...Susan and I were talking
about hunting FOR SPORT. I think everyone has a horror
story about their side of the subject that they side
with.( Let us not forget either, there are different
attitudes in different areas of the country...)
 Myself, one extreme example that sticks in my mind,
is some jerks on motor bikes here,  shot two deer near
an irrigation canel, cut off  the hind quarters of one
of the deer, and took off on their bikes. It was not a
pretty sight. I actually stumbled across it, while
hiking, and could figure out what happened by reading
the signs in the dirt. I do not think any serious ,
responsible hunters, who are decent, humble and really
adding to their family's ability to survive, would not
be upset about such people's attitude's either. Then
there are the people who just want a dead animal's
head on their wall. I do not like those guys either.
This is pretty much where we were going with this
yesterday.We wanted to offend those people... Then
again,us vegetarians can come across as a bit rude
sometimes and for my own snotty attitude, I sincerely
apologize. By the way, I really hate when my cat kills
FOR SPORT too. It is a lot different when a cat kills
a mouse for his dinner, than just for the sport of it
and goes to eat his Fancy Feast...But cats do not know
better and we love them anyway. People do know
better...
 Peace, 
Glenda   
--- Malone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How judgmental we can be! My family has hunted all
 my life-it is a food
 source that we value and are thankful for. By the
 way my brother-in-law died
 2 years ago this deer season of a massive heart
 attack. He was making sure
 that there would be food on the table for his
 children that winter. Nice to
 know that you feel he deserved that because he
 killed a food source no
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Re: Oh my Goodness!

2007-08-21 Thread glenda Goodman
Susan, 
What a beautiful description.
What beautiful things you are doing...I am so grateful
to know there are people as kind and thoughtful out
there, making things better for all our little guys. 
I have only one little FeLV+ girl, but hang on to
every word of advice and hope that comes from people,
like you, who are so experienced. You have it down,
that is for sure, when it comes to our cat buddies. 
They are all so amazing...What fascinates me, so much
about cats, is that they are so easy to read. They
have every emotion we have and no qualms about
displaying them. 
I am excited for Percy getting a new life with you.
Keep up the good work. 
Just thank you so much! 
Glenda- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, this morning my friend Julia brought over my
 new 
 fiv+ / felv+ kitty.
 
 She was calling him Oreo since he is a tuxie, but
 that has to go.
 
 She was just out of names, due to so many rescues
 this year.
 
 I feel her pain. :(
 
 Anyway, what do folks think about Percy?
 
 For some reason when he came outta the carrier the
 name Percy came to mind.
 
 Of course, as we all know, he will have several
 names before it's all over  :)
 
 So far, no bloodshed in the felv+ suite.
 
 My cats were appalled @ how he jumped outta the
 carrier and went straight for their breakfast, which
 was chicken  egg whipped souffle' w/ cheese from
 Elegant Medleys.Sprinkled w/ Lysine 
 Missing Link PF.. (hey, I would rather them eat
 something better, but the Elegant Medleys got
 started when Serenity was still w/ me. That's all
 she would eat along w/ baby food when she was dying.
 And it works)
 
 Four bowls out, he ate 2, now I will have to put out
 5 maybe 6 in the mornings.
 
 He has the big head of a fiv+ tom cat.
 
 But he is sweet as can be.
 
 Miss Princess Naughty Lola peered @ him like he was
 an oversized insect, she did not want him to get to
 close to her feathery baby fine cream  chocolate
 furrage..
 
 Miss Lillian, who actually came from the same
 hoarder as him, sniffed him but he was not allowed
 to sniff her, she growled.
 
 Papillon is mad, hiding in the bathroom, but I think
 he will be ok, Percy is so passive.
 
 Miss Ursula, my botiful doll faced
 Sealpoint, is hiding behind the couch, that is her
 comfort zone when she feels like she's being
 invaded.
 
 Percy is just so happy to be outta a cage, he was in
 a cage by himself in Julia's dry storage
 building..
 
 He is so people oriented, it must have been hard on
 him.
 
 This was a good move, and thanks Diane for being
 supportive of me in making this decision yesterday.
 
 Now you are up to date, will keep you posted on the
 latest happenings @ Chez Mew today..  :)
 
 
 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
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Angela and Midnight

2007-08-21 Thread glenda Goodman
Angela, 
My heart goes out to you. I am so sorry for your loss
of Midnight, for you and your family. 
Now, we must all hope for the best for your other
kitties. I can imagine how scared you are for them.
You maybe should believe this virus, I'm believing
FeLV, came from a source more recently, that only
affected Midnight. Remember too, all the reports of
how healthy cats, if exposed, can throw the virus...If
your other cats were vaccinated your chances are very
good everyone will be all right. The vaccine is open
to debate though and thought to be 75%-85%
effective...I had read where the more recent improved
vaccines are a bit better yet.
Now is when people that have been in this a long time
and are very active and experienced with cats need to
tell come to your aid.  
Myself, I am still learning every day here. 
I am confused as to what is the better circumstance to
be in, having a kitty that contracted the FeLV virus
through the mother or having a kitten or adult cat 
just exposed to the virus? I do know the adult cats 
have a better chance of throwing the virus, than an
exposed kitten. What really got me confused is my vet
acted rather hopeful  about kittens that contracted
the  FeLV virus through the mother. Like there is  a
good chance to kick it... I think throwing FIV coming
through the mom is a lot easier than FeLV coming
through the mom. Maybe she got the two confused?  Then
I see people saying,with  just exposure there is  a
good chance of defeating the virus...Anyway, no matter
what, there is always hope...I think we all live on
hope every day to get us through to the next day. 
Your letter really moved me. It was short, but so
laced with your pain...I know we all know that awful
feeling...You will find a lot of very loving and
helpful people here... Be strong! 
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Re: Please talk to me/Angela

2007-08-21 Thread glenda Goodman
Laurie,
 I just have a couple questions: Did Squeaky and
Stripes have the FeLV virus for many years and
survive? If so maybe both were just carriers? The fact
Stripes lived to age 16, even with illnesses during
that time, is still amazing. 
As for the heart problems you have been facing:
Many years ago I had a kitty that was diagnoised with
a heart problem...forgot the name of it, where the
heart is enlarged, and fluid builds up in the
lungs...Well this I think may have been a genetic
condition ? I still do not know...
 At the time I tried to read up on all I could and saw
where sometimes huge doses of taurine helped save some
cats that might otherwise have succumbed to various
heart conditions...This was twenty years ago...I know
a lot has come to light since then. I'm sure there is
a lot of info online and I'm sure you have been neck
deep in it...
I guess it cannot hurt for all of us here to know a
little about everything when it comes to our
cats...The very best to you and Lucy...please keep us
posted regarding her progress and treatments.  
Thank you, Glenda

--- laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Angela, I am so sorryfor your loss, your pain
 and the uncertaintyI unexpectedly lost Keisha 5
 weeks ago. I didn't even know she was sick (not
 feline leukemia+). Now another of mine has a similar
 heart problem (not related and not
 contagious)somedays I am overwhelmed...I try to
 know that what I learned with Keisha will help me
 better care for Lucy.
 
 a note of hope ~ I had two feline leuk positive
 boys. Squeaky was never sick during his first 22
 years. Stripes lived to 16 despite being sick on and
 off. We have finally figured out a protocol that is
 working for Isabella for now. She was sicker than
 the boys and came to us in May (years after the boys
 died). There is hope. If your kittys have feline
 leukemia, then it's plan B for treatment. Please try
 to breathe and know that they are in good hands and
 you can handle whatever comes your way. These
 kitties are put in our lives for a reason. ALLOW
 yourself to grieve and be mad and sad...it's all
 part of the process. 
 
 My heart reaches to yours...right this moment...you
 and all 3 kitties are in my prayers.
 Safe journey to your Midnight. 
 One comfort I had from the sudden death of Keisha
 was she was giving me the gift of not having to
 watch her suffer over weeks or months and not having
 to make a tough decision for her someday.
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RE: website for Lost/Found cats-TO WENDY

2007-08-21 Thread glenda Goodman
Caroline, You have been through Hell and back with
this cat. I know maybe it was not that particular cat
you might have gone out and picked out of the hundreds
available from the shelters where you are and you were
not really looking or even ready for anyone after your
precious Monkee, but after reading your posts and all
your efforts and struggles and progress with this cat,
all I can say is please just add the frosting to the
cake...Name her! and give her the security she
deserves...I do not care who the owners are...If I
were the owner and loved her to death, I'd want her to
be with you, if you might want her. Nothing is more
rewarding than getting something that is all beat up
and sad and polishing it up and making it happy. If I
did not believe that I would not be crying right now,
thinking about how I never got the chance to do that
for that cat Marmalade that I will honestly never
forget. The loss of him to me was huge. At this point
I think you will always worry about THIS CAT and I
think for you and your mom it would be best to keep
her in your family. A lot of people will probably
write and hate me for telling you this, but this is
how I see it. Bless you and your mom and that kitty! 
Glenda
--- Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


-

Susan:

I am sorry about the fire and that you are still
missing two cats.  That is heartbreaking.  You have
been in my thoughts over the past few weeks.

As explanation, well, it's complicated.  We found her
about three weeks ago (Aug. 4) and that was about the
time of your fire so you missed out on my posts about
my Malnourished Rescue Cat.  She was in HORRIBLE
shape when we found her and that is part of the
problem.  If she was kept as an outdoor cat, or even
outdoor/indoor, she should not have been.  Some cats
are just not meant to be outdoor cats and I have
owned enough in my mere 30 years to be able to
recognize that.  There is an outdoor colony of cats
that are owned by a lady up the street from me who
live outdoors...they prefer it and they do quite
well.  The whole neighborhood looks out after them and
a bunch of us feed them.  But my point is, these cats
are true outdoor cats, this cat, is not.  

She had to have weighed under 5 pounds when we found
her and she is not a young cat...the vet approximated
3-5 years old, more on the higher end.  We've had her
in a room feeding her Wellness kitten wet and dry
food, to which I was adding Colostrum, Rescue Remedy,
L-Lysine, Brewer's Yeast, Salmon Oil (but not all at
once), and tons and tons of Nutrical, as my mom and I
were worried about her liver and kidney function
because of her severe malnutrition.  I have never seen
a cat this malnourished.  Our neighbor who had been
feeding her (clearly not enough) said she'd been
hanging out in the neighborhood at least 3 weeks.  She
looked horrible.  She's long-haired, but she had
dander and her collar was on way too tight-- it was
frayed and shabby looking and it had rubbed all the
fur off her neck where it had been.  The only tag on
the collar was a rabies tag.  The vet listed on the
tag had closed his offices and it took a while before
we were able to reach them for them to give us the
owner's phone number.  The cat also had a severe upper
respiratory infection and when we put her in a
carrier, her eyes were weeping all down her face with
green discharge and she sneezed all the time.  I
immediately started treating her eyes with Terramycin
and we've already gone thru one tube.  She had fleas,
but she had no energy to scratch at them.  We took her
in because that weekend (of Aug. 4) was going to be
the hottest ever (100's+) and I did not think she
would have survived outside and I know I was right. 
My mom thought she might die that weekend at her
house.  We just worked on feeding her and getting her
digestive system working again before we took her to a
vet almost a week later.  We got her on Clavamox.

She's much better now, but her infection is not
completely gone; the hair hasn't grown back on her
neck; she's ridiculously happy and I have never seen a
cat so clearly enjoy the air conditioning as she does.
 You can still feel the bones sticking out on her
body, but her stomach is filling out.

We also discovered today, due to the storm, that she
deathly afraid of storms...she's been hiding under the
bed and nervously looking at the window.  It's kind of
broken my mom's heart and she is just extremely
worried about the owners in this situation because the
cat was in such bad shape and clearly didn't know how
to take care of herself while outside.  I don't think
she was able to eat anything (not a hunter--
clearly!), unless given to her by human.  

We just have some major concerns here and don't want
to have spent all this time, energy (I have to go to
my mom's everyday after work to treat the cat with
Clavamox because my mom can't do it and that keeps me
away from other things I need to do, my own foster
cat, and the 

RE: website for Lost/Found cats-TO WENDY

2007-08-21 Thread glenda Goodman
You are right! I know one should never let emotion get
in the way of logic. Caroline needs to go to every
length to find the owner...then she needs to deal with
the situation from there. I guess after feeling so
happy and excited for this little cat I am just scared
for her going into a bad situation...Besides, who
would be better to this little cat than Caroline? I
cannot imagine...guess I was just thinking of the
cat...Glenda
--- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Sorry--if it were my cat that got out and somebody
 found it in poor shape
 weeks later and chose not to call me cause they made
 judgments about me, I'd
 be furious.
 
 Christiane Biagi
 914-632-4672
 Cell:  914-720-6888
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 www.findkpets.org
  
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 with their Animals
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of glenda Goodman
 Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:32 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: RE: website for Lost/Found cats-TO WENDY
 
 Caroline, You have been through Hell and back with
 this cat. I know maybe it was not that particular
 cat
 you might have gone out and picked out of the
 hundreds
 available from the shelters where you are and you
 were
 not really looking or even ready for anyone after
 your
 precious Monkee, but after reading your posts and
 all
 your efforts and struggles and progress with this
 cat,
 all I can say is please just add the frosting to the
 cake...Name her! and give her the security she
 deserves...I do not care who the owners are...If I
 were the owner and loved her to death, I'd want her
 to
 be with you, if you might want her. Nothing is more
 rewarding than getting something that is all beat up
 and sad and polishing it up and making it happy. If
 I
 did not believe that I would not be crying right
 now,
 thinking about how I never got the chance to do that
 for that cat Marmalade that I will honestly never
 forget. The loss of him to me was huge. At this
 point
 I think you will always worry about THIS CAT and I
 think for you and your mom it would be best to keep
 her in your family. A lot of people will probably
 write and hate me for telling you this, but this is
 how I see it. Bless you and your mom and that kitty!
 
 Glenda
 --- Caroline Kaufmann
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 
 -
 
 Susan:
 
 I am sorry about the fire and that you are still
 missing two cats.  That is heartbreaking.  You have
 been in my thoughts over the past few weeks.
 
 As explanation, well, it's complicated.  We found
 her
 about three weeks ago (Aug. 4) and that was about
 the
 time of your fire so you missed out on my posts
 about
 my Malnourished Rescue Cat.  She was in HORRIBLE
 shape when we found her and that is part of the
 problem.  If she was kept as an outdoor cat, or even
 outdoor/indoor, she should not have been.  Some cats
 are just not meant to be outdoor cats and I have
 owned enough in my mere 30 years to be able to
 recognize that.  There is an outdoor colony of cats
 that are owned by a lady up the street from me who
 live outdoors...they prefer it and they do quite
 well.  The whole neighborhood looks out after them
 and
 a bunch of us feed them.  But my point is, these
 cats
 are true outdoor cats, this cat, is not.  
 
 She had to have weighed under 5 pounds when we found
 her and she is not a young cat...the vet
 approximated
 3-5 years old, more on the higher end.  We've had
 her
 in a room feeding her Wellness kitten wet and dry
 food, to which I was adding Colostrum, Rescue
 Remedy,
 L-Lysine, Brewer's Yeast, Salmon Oil (but not all at
 once), and tons and tons of Nutrical, as my mom and
 I
 were worried about her liver and kidney function
 because of her severe malnutrition.  I have never
 seen
 a cat this malnourished.  Our neighbor who had been
 feeding her (clearly not enough) said she'd been
 hanging out in the neighborhood at least 3 weeks. 
 She
 looked horrible.  She's long-haired, but she had
 dander and her collar was on way too tight-- it was
 frayed and shabby looking and it had rubbed all the
 fur off her neck where it had been.  The only tag on
 the collar was a rabies tag.  The vet listed on the
 tag had closed his offices and it took a while
 before
 we were able to reach them for them to give us the
 owner's phone number.  The cat also had a severe
 upper
 respiratory infection and when we put her in a
 carrier, her eyes were weeping all down her face
 with
 green discharge and she sneezed all the time.  I
 immediately started treating her eyes with
 Terramycin
 and we've already gone thru one tube.  She had
 fleas,
 but she had no energy to scratch at them.  We took
 her
 in because that weekend (of Aug. 4) was going to be
 the hottest ever (100's+) and I did not think she
 would have survived outside and I know I was right. 
 My mom thought she might die that weekend at her
 house.  We

Re: Joy Please add to the CLS :(

2007-08-22 Thread glenda Goodman
Sherry,
 Thank you for all you do for these sweet little guys
and thank you for letting the world take note of them
at their passing. 
Each and every one of them are incredibly special. Any
one of them could have been one of our beloved cats.
They deserve to be mourned by all of us who love cats.
I'm sure Spencer and Joy are together in a beautiful
place free of all their sadness and pain, with all the
other wonderful little souls that have been lost by
each of us at one time or another. Thank you again for
all you give to these sweet little guys.
Sending our love, Glenda and family 
--- Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Here we go again,sweet beautiful Joy a tortie that
 loved giving you kisses on your face passed away
 today while under to be checked out,she was going
 down hill and had fiv and felv.She was the first
 kitty that I noticed in the window when I drove up
 to check it out before starting my volunteering.I
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Re: Please talk to me

2007-08-22 Thread glenda Goodman
Angela,
 What wonderful news! It made my day!
Please stick around and keep learning from these guys.
There is usually something helpful every day or two
that makes us better cat parents...Although you have
3-months before a retesting and everything will
probably be just dandy, there is nothing wrong with
keeping their immune systems boosted during the
waiting period. Just so you know you are completely on
top of things from minute one. 
Thank you for that bright spot yesterday! 
Take care, Glenda
--- Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 To all who have hellped me thru this day...
   Thank you for your support and encouraging words.
 We just got back from the Vet's office, with Ripley
 and Sherman, the SNAP test came back NEG!! We
 are going to retest in 3 months. 

   The Vet said the only difference in the 2 tests
 (SNAP verses IFA) is the accuracy is a little higher
 with the IFA. Both tests are in the 90 percent
 range.
 

   God bless all!
   Ang
 Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 HI Angela

   This sounds exactly like what happened to my
 Pumpkin. What may be different is that Pumpkins was
 hiding the fact he was not eating. Although I did
 figure it out. His gums were exactly as you
 described he spent two nights at the vet hospital
 with fluids and IV Baytril. He crashed the second
 night. I imagine much like your baby did. His spirit
 was gone when I arrived to visit him that morning.
 They had cleaned him up and he was cold. I felt so
 bad that I did not see his symptoms sooner. I had
 him euthanized. Cats are good at hiding there
 symptoms. I had another cat who was sick at the same
 time and being treated for anemia by a different
 vet. This was due to the fact he had been hit by a
 car several months earlier and that was the only
 available vet who could see him in a hurry. 

   Now I was worried Junior's condition was more
 serious. I took him back in that week and though he
 looked fine he had a fever of 106.5. The kept him
 hydrated him and called me to say they wanted to to
 a FELV test. He has tested neg that same year. It
 came back positive. I had 11 cats at that time. Two
 more tested positive. One also had been sickly had
 FIV as well. He had been adopted from a shelter. I
 was in panic mode last fall. The group kept me
 going. I lost Tiny from unrelated cause he died very
 suddenly last Christmas. Lionel, my felv/fiv cat 
 was also PTS he was not well. 

   Good news Junior is stable and he had a very rough
 go but is fine now other than his pos status. He
 gets immune booster like the group says.

   Sally 
 
  
   On 8/21/07, Angela Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote: Susan,
Boy was not good, at all, last night. He went
 down hill very fast. He was fine last Thursday, then
 Friday we moved, I thought he just was 
 
 
 

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Re: New Diagnosis

2007-08-22 Thread glenda Goodman
Michael,  Good job! You are what this website is all
about!  The very best to you and your cats! 
Glenda
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks guys.  I stopped on my way home from work and
 picked up some  Lysine 
 and Echinacea, I'm going to start putting it in
 their food.  I also  got some 
 high protein purina naturals food to replace their
 cat chow indoor  formula, 
 and I'll step up to proplan or iams or something if
 I need  to.  I also plan on 
 sanitizing all the feeding bowls and drinkwell 
 fountain daily.  After 
 speaking with the former fosters and the state 
 coordinator for VA SRC, I think this 
 is the best plan for now.  I'll keep  you all
 updated once I get a real 
 diagnosis from the tests they sent off  today.
  
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Re: OT: Success with Rescue Cat

2007-08-22 Thread glenda Goodman
Absolutely amazing! How absolutely cool! This is one
lucky cat to have gotten so much help! I loved this
story...Glenda
--- Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


-
Okay, since there's been lots of debate and dare I
say, controversy, over the Malnourished Rescue Cat my
mom and I took in and have been caring for, I wanted
everyone to know that she is GOING HOME and we have
successfully reunited her with her family.
 
Long story short, we pretty much took EVERYONE'S
advice and tried a variety of tactics (as I previously
mentioned-- signs posted, I posted on websites, etc.).
 As I had mentioned, from the Rabies tag, all we were
able to obtain is the telephone number and street name
(not number) of the owner and the name of the cat-
Nosey.  My mom and I pretty much sat on it for a
while since by then, we'd already taken her to the Vet
and started her on Clavamox and she needed so much
rehabilitation anyway.  We tried to decide what to do
and we just hated the idea of totally cold call to
this number...not knowing ANYTHING about the person
and whether they were a good owner.
 
We are almost finished with the Clavamox and have
finished one tube of Terramycin and Nosey is still
exhibiting Upper Respiratory Infection symptoms, thus
my mom said we have to either: 1) take her back to the
vet this week, as needs more care, or 2) call the
owners and make sure they take her to the vet.
 
Since I had the owner phone number, I FINALLY
remembered that the Whitepages.com has this handy tab
where you can do a reverse look-up- using the phone
number...it will give you a name and address.  Bingo! 
I got the street address we'd been wanting, which also
provided me with the NAMES of the two people living
there  So, then I of course googled their
names...and low and behold, one of them is a Partner
at a law firm here and of course, my mouth dropped
open (I am a lawyer too- and although this is a big
city, it's a SMALL legal community), thus I knew I had
to contact her at that point.  I also knew she could
definitely afford the vet bill Nosey incurred (they
live on very rich street- I know that sounds weird,
but the property value of the houses on that street is
ridiculous).  Anyway, I feel like the ultimate pet
detective, seriously.  Sometimes I think all I need in
life is google and the white or yellowpages.com!!!
 
 
My mom and I discussed it and I decided to send her an
email at her firm's email address from my work email,
so she would know where I work and that I am an
attorney too.  I took the initial vague route first
(as was discussed on this list serve)...to feel her
out, etc.  She replied and said it's their cat and
they looked for her for weeks and weeks, but didn't
check online sites (which she apologized for) and
asked when they could come get her.  After another
consult with my mom, my mom wanted me to send her
another email where I socked it to her with the
malnutrition, that she would have died if we hadn't
taken her in, she went to the vet and this and that
was done and the bill is this amount, we've been
feeding her this  that, she needs to go back to the
vet because the URI is still lingering, I advise she
go back and get this treatment (a  full blood panel to
check liver/kidney function, fecal for tapeworms,
etc.).  AND then I asked if she was outdoor/indoor cat
and said if so, I recommend she NOT be an outdoor cat
because she does not fair well outside, she has this
URI that won't go away, and she's deathly afraid of
storms and if she is out when one comes, she will run
and hide.  WHEW!  All that.  I also apologized for
hitting her with all this at once and at work and
admitted that I wanted to feel her out initially
before I admitted that we had the cat in our house and
have done intensive care/rehabbing.  
 
She responded really well!!!  She gave me info about
Nosey's background- they've had Nosey since birth and
she lives with her Mother and Brother cats.  They are
mostly outside cats because they live on a large piece
of property with a covered porch.  She said the cats
seldom go beyond the immediate neighbors (who love
them), but the mother cat became an indoor cat a few
years ago when she developed a URI!!!  So, hopefully,
now that poor Nosey has one that she can't seem to
shake, they will make her an indoor cat now (which I
did press upon her).  She said they will compensate us
for the care we did, thanked us, and said they will
continue with further vet care for Nosey.  
 
We are going to try to connect tonight to do the
hand-off.  My mom and I both really happy that we've
had a great result, but I have to admit that it took
some detecting on my part, as we weren't going to
turn this cat over to the great unknown!  I will never
know how Nosey got one mile away from her home, and in
so doing, she had to have crossed one of the busiest
state roads in Louisville (4 lanes of non-stop busy
traffic, 45 mph speed limit) to get to our
neighborhood???!!  
 
Thanks 

Re: Update

2007-08-22 Thread glenda Goodman
Michael, 
There is nothing I can say that has not been said. We
all feel so badly for you and your family. I'm just so
glad, that from the moment you got the first positive
test, you were up for the fight. I'm just sitting back
feeling so grateful there are such great , well
informed people here, that are very up to date on the
latest and best ways to deal with this disease.
The day I was told by my vet, a couple months ago,
that my cat's test came back positive, is the same day
I found these guys. I was on the computer about
10-hours that day, trying to learn everything I
could...looking for that little shred of hope...It is
an awful feeling. I venture to guess, the way I found
these guys, is the same way most of us found this
group, that one horrible day, when the bottom fell
out...but there is hope, in many different forms, as
you are learning...Bless your heart! Your little guys
are very lucky to have you in their corner! 
Glenda 
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 Ok, guys, here's the status.   I just called the
 vet's office,  they told me 
 both Poppy and Grizzabella's tests came back
 positive today.   I guess what I 
 need to do now is figure out what to do from here. 
 I did  ask about UT, and 
 she just sort of side-stepped the question.  I also
 asked  what happened to Dr. 
 Merryman, and the only thing she would tell me was
 She's  not here anymore 
 and I don't know what she's doing. So, needless to
 say, I  think I'm done with 
 this vet's office.
  
 I'm pretty sure I can get a referral to UT, so I
 guess that's the next  step, 
 both of them are headed there as soon as I can get
 the referrals.  I  tried 
 the echinacea and lysine supplements, but none of
 them have felt well  enough 
 to eat since their vaccines yesterday, so I'll try
 it again when they're  
 feeling better. If they don't take it.  I'm a bit
 upset right now, so I'm  gonna 
 leave it at that guys, til I have a little time to
 calm down.  I'm  open to 
 suggestions as to what I should do next.   
 
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Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry but please indulge

2007-08-24 Thread glenda Goodman
Beckie, You are such a bright little light here and I
feel so sad to know you are hurting and your sweet
little Moeman might be fading away. You have learned a
lot for the time you have been here. I know I have on
just how to take care of our little guys better and
signs to look for. I have been checking all my
kittie's gums this morning and just like I suspected,
my old guy, Dingo, he is 13 years old, and has seemed
out of sorts lately, has very pale gums. He is not
FeLV+ or FIV+ that I know of ,but I will have him
tested and for now am trying to get a good iron
supplement. I wrote down :Procrit ? Who was it that
said they gave that to a kitty and it helped with the
anemia? It was just in a recent post... I am asking my
vet about what it is and can I have some right now...
I just left a message for my vet...Anyway, thanks to
these guys here, I know a lot more than I did a couple
months ago.
Do not give up fighting, but I do not believe in
stressing our guys out either.I think you probably
have a good idea where Moeman is at this point and if
he is getting weaker and you have tried through
supplements, etc. you have done all you can...just
love him. 
I absolutely loved Jenna's letter to you. What a
beautiful, thoughtful gift from her and her husband to
share their experience with you...I will be keeping
that letter for myself, for when I will be needing
that precious support, that can only come from people
who really understand...
My heart is with you and Moeman...Glenda  
--- Jenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my
 prayers.

   It feels odd to write about this now as my husband
 and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese
 calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it
 helps you.

   My baby died at home. That was important to me,
 and i wanted it that way though my husband was very
 caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable
 and not with people she was afraid of and being
 stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and
 screaming and while in trauma that might be more
 beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes
 it harder. So after that experience (this was with
 my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened
 with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and
 peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros
 where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be
 beautiful, if you let it be. Though most may reject
 this statement because it is not something most want
 to think about, I can say that I do agree with it.
 It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier
 for me to deal with.

   She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She
 didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her
 prime she was very talkative and loved being held
 and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she
 stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was a
 relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a
 dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I
 started having a feeling that it was going to be on
 sunday because i started getting a song in my head
 about a relationship ending that is from Aspects of
 love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is Tell me on
 a sunday. 

   Don't write a letter when you want to leave
 Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment
 I'd like to choose how I hear the news
 Take me to a park that's covered with trees
 Tell me on a Sunday please

   Don't leave in silence with no word at all
 Don't get drunk and slam the door
 That's no way to end this
 I know how I want you to say goodbye
 Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze
 Tell me on a Sunday please

   That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and
 she was breating very heavy. Her eyes were very
 diated. I bent down around her and sang her
 Complainte De La Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the 
 first time all weekend she raised her head and
 looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved
 her and if she wanted to go it was okay. I got a
 feeling that she understood. 

   The song goes:
   Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche
 ma main
 Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine
 J'oublie mon chagrin
 Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse
 mal nourri
 Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui
 m'anéantit
   The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched
 sigh
 while windmill wings of the moulin shelter you and
 I

   I sang to her for about 15 minutes and pet her,
 even though I could feel each vertebrate of her
 little back bone. She did not shy away that time. 

   I went back to the living room and laid down, but
 didnt' sleep. It was exhausting. My husband went
 into the bathroom and stayed a long time. I knew he
 was talking with her. When he was done, I could see
 he had been crying. 

   When i woke up I sat at my computer. About 20
 minutes later my dog, Carmel got very whiney and
 would not settle down. She was upset about
 something. I went into the bathroom and found 

Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge

2007-08-24 Thread glenda Goodman
Wow! Thanks! I had the animal medical suppy place
trying to find this stuff for me under iron
supplements...no wonder they could not pull it up. I
guess if my vet does not hurry and get back to me in
the next hour I will be off to buy some human iron
supplement. My cat Dingo does not do pills well at
all, so will have to give with a dropper. He also has
always been a dainty eater...can't stick it in
tuna...He has really been turning his nose up lately
and I am realizing I have an emergency on my
hands...If it were not for this list I might not have
noticed...
Thanks, Pat, for setting me straight as to
Procrit...Glenda
--- Pat Kachur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have seen a lot of ads for Procrit - it is a drug
 used to help people 
 undergoing chemo and whose white cells have been
 compromised.  There are 
 some lawsuits filed against the manufacturer from
 people who say they have 
 been hurt by the drug.
 Come to think of it--haven't seen the ads for a
 couple of months after 
 seeing them almost every day for a while.
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:35 PM
 Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
 long letter- sorry 
 butplease indulge
 
 
  Beckie, You are such a bright little light here
 and I
  feel so sad to know you are hurting and your sweet
  little Moeman might be fading away. You have
 learned a
  lot for the time you have been here. I know I have
 on
  just how to take care of our little guys better
 and
  signs to look for. I have been checking all my
  kittie's gums this morning and just like I
 suspected,
  my old guy, Dingo, he is 13 years old, and has
 seemed
  out of sorts lately, has very pale gums. He is not
  FeLV+ or FIV+ that I know of ,but I will have him
  tested and for now am trying to get a good iron
  supplement. I wrote down :Procrit ? Who was it
 that
  said they gave that to a kitty and it helped with
 the
  anemia? It was just in a recent post... I am
 asking my
  vet about what it is and can I have some right
 now...
  I just left a message for my vet...Anyway, thanks
 to
  these guys here, I know a lot more than I did a
 couple
  months ago.
  Do not give up fighting, but I do not believe in
  stressing our guys out either.I think you probably
  have a good idea where Moeman is at this point and
 if
  he is getting weaker and you have tried through
  supplements, etc. you have done all you can...just
  love him.
  I absolutely loved Jenna's letter to you. What a
  beautiful, thoughtful gift from her and her
 husband to
  share their experience with you...I will be
 keeping
  that letter for myself, for when I will be needing
  that precious support, that can only come from
 people
  who really understand...
  My heart is with you and Moeman...Glenda
  --- Jenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in
 my
  prayers.
 
It feels odd to write about this now as my
 husband
  and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese
  calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it
  helps you.
 
My baby died at home. That was important to me,
  and i wanted it that way though my husband was
 very
  caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable
  and not with people she was afraid of and being
  stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and
  screaming and while in trauma that might be more
  beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it
 makes
  it harder. So after that experience (this was
 with
  my grandmother) I told myself that if this
 happened
  with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and
  peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros
  where Peter the hospice nurse says, death can be
  beautiful, if you let it be. Though most may
 reject
  this statement because it is not something most
 want
  to think about, I can say that I do agree with
 it.
  It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it
 easier
  for me to deal with.
 
She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She
  didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her
  prime she was very talkative and loved being held
  and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she
  stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was
 a
  relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was
 a
  dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I
  started having a feeling that it was going to be
 on
  sunday because i started getting a song in my
 head
  about a relationship ending that is from Aspects
 of
  love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is Tell me
 on
  a sunday.
 
Don't write a letter when you want to leave
  Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment
  I'd like to choose how I hear the news
  Take me to a park that's covered with trees
  Tell me on a Sunday please
 
Don't leave in silence with no word at all
  Don't get drunk and slam the door
  That's no way to end this
  I know how I want you to say goodbye
  Find a circus ring

Re: To Glenda: Re: Procrit

2007-08-24 Thread glenda Goodman
Wendy, 
Thank you!
 Anyway, I just picked up something called:
LIXOTINIC,ODD LOTS (30ml) from my vet. It is supposed
to be iron with vitamins, I think ? I am to give my
cat 2ml once a day...I have a two week supply. I will
have my cat go through the usual tests in the next
couple weeks. I do want to say, I just shot the first
dose down his throat and it went so fast he did not
even know what happened. This is the cat that foams at
the mouth when he is given a pill and 90% of the time
manages to spit it out. I really like giving him
things in liquid form with the syringe. 
Beckie might want to try something like this on Moe,
just to make sure she is getting as much supplement as
possible down him. I think she found pillpockets
helpful, but nothing could beat what I just pulled on
my cat Dingo, the pro at fighting off his
meds...Glenda
--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Let me clarify:  Usually Prednisolone is used for
 anemia and maybe Winstrol after the initial
 diagnosis.  If it doesn't work, then other
 drugs/procedures are considered.
 
  
 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
 committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
 is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade
 ~~~
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:04:08 PM
 Subject: To Glenda: Re: Procrit
 
 
 Glenda, 
 
 I think Procrit is the same as Epogen, but not
 completely sure, and it can still be purchased. 
 Usually when people use Procrit for their animals,
 it is the only thing left that will help the anemia,
 so they choose to save their animal rather than just
 let them go, and deal with any after effects later,
 if any.  I didn't want you to think it's not
 something you can use in the future if one of your
 kitties needs it.  Usually Prednisolone is used for
 anemia and maybe Winstrol.
 
 :)
 Wendy 
 
 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
 committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
 is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade
 ~~~
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:52:57 PM
 Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
 long letter- sorry butplease indulge
 
 
 Wow! Thanks! I had the animal medical suppy place
 trying to find this stuff for me under iron
 supplements...no wonder they could not pull it up. I
 guess if my vet does not hurry and get back to me in
 the next hour I will be off to buy some human iron
 supplement. My cat Dingo does not do pills well at
 all, so will have to give with a dropper. He also
 has
 always been a dainty eater...can't stick it in
 tuna...He has really been turning his nose up lately
 and I am realizing I have an emergency on my
 hands...If it were not for this list I might not
 have
 noticed...
 Thanks, Pat, for setting me straight as to
 Procrit...Glenda
 --- Pat Kachur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I have seen a lot of ads for Procrit - it is a
 drug
  used to help people 
  undergoing chemo and whose white cells have been
  compromised.  There are 
  some lawsuits filed against the manufacturer from
  people who say they have 
  been hurt by the drug.
  Come to think of it--haven't seen the ads for a
  couple of months after 
  seeing them almost every day for a while.
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:35 PM
  Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?
  long letter- sorry 
  butplease indulge
  
  
   Beckie, You are such a bright little light here
  and I
   feel so sad to know you are hurting and your
 sweet
   little Moeman might be fading away. You have
  learned a
   lot for the time you have been here. I know I
 have
  on
   just how to take care of our little guys better
  and
   signs to look for. I have been checking all my
   kittie's gums this morning and just like I
  suspected,
   my old guy, Dingo, he is 13 years old, and has
  seemed
   out of sorts lately, has very pale gums. He is
 not
   FeLV+ or FIV+ that I know of ,but I will have
 him
   tested and for now am trying to get a good iron
   supplement. I wrote down :Procrit ? Who was it
  that
   said they gave that to a kitty and it helped
 with
  the
   anemia? It was just in a recent post... I am
  asking my
   vet about what it is and can I have some right
  now...
   I just left a message for my vet...Anyway,
 thanks
  to
   these guys here, I know a lot more than I did a
  couple
   months ago.
   Do not give up fighting, but I do not believe in
   stressing our guys out either.I think you
 probably
   have a good idea where Moeman is at this point
 and
  if
   he is getting weaker and you have tried through
   supplements, etc. you have done all you
 can...just
   love him.
   I absolutely loved Jenna's letter to you. What a
   beautiful, thoughtful gift from her

Re: Howlong? was : Question about eye ulcers

2007-08-24 Thread glenda Goodman
Wendy and Susan, my little gurus, You guys , I trust
more than any vet...so here is my question:
Which is worse for a kitty, to contact the FeLV virus
through the mother as a kitten or to be exposed later
in life?
 I think I know the answer.It is better to be
exposed later in life, right? About what might the
percentages be for a kitten throwing the virus if it
came through the queen? 
 My little girl became infected through her mom...I
continue to live on a little bit of hope she could
throw it some day, but I am trying to steel myself
that I could lose her in a couple years...Right now
she is a bundle of energy and just so incredible as
cats go...She is about 6-months old...
(This is an open question, but since I had both of
these guys here, thought I'd ask...)
Thanks, Glenda

--- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Great advice, Wendy, great advice.
 
 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
 www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
 www.shadowcats.net
   As Cleopatra lay
 in state,
Faithful Bast at
 her side did wait,
Purring welcomes
 of soft applause,
Ever guarding
 with sharpened claws.
  Trajan
 Tennent
 
 
 
 
   - Original Message - 
   From: wendy 
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
   Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:35 PM
   Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers
 
 
   Michael,
 
   There is such a range that I would not even say
 2-3 years.  I would say that the younger the cat,
 the more likely (but not necessarily a lot more
 likely) they will pass in the first year or third,
 but that is only based on trends I've seen here, no
 specific research.  This does not include cats that
 throw the virus, which your cats could do.  They say
 it's more likely for the cat to throw the virus
 within 3-6 months, but we've seen them become
 negative after years, which is always a joy to see,
 though rare.  About 30-40% of cats throw the virus
 after exposure.  Adult cats are much less likely to
 get the virus, which might explain why your younger
 one may have picked the virus up when he was a
 kitten (I hope I have that right).  My Cricket was
 diagnosed when he was 2.5 years old; I am 85% sure
 he got it in utero from his mom.  He died at 4.5
 years.  He only got sick 3 weeks before he died with
 anemia, that I feel would not have happened without
 the stress of 10 extra people living in our home for
 a week during the hurricane.  He could still be here
 had he not been stressed, I don't know.  Then,
 there's the cat at Best Friends that is 22  We
 had one here live to 16 years old.  I forget whose
 kitty it was.  There is another that lived to nine. 
 There is just no way to tell the life expectancy,
 but I will say this.  If you have your cat on immune
 boosters, a great diet, and no stress while they are
 asymptomatic, and are loving them well, making them
 feel good, I really, really believe that extends the
 life expectancy more than we realize.  You might do
 an archive search on the word 'years' and see posts
 that tell how old their kitty was when they died. 
 I'm not sure if you can do a Boolean search, like
 years + death, but it might be possible.  I wouldn't
 get any date stuck in your head though.  Positive
 thoughts all the way!
 
   :)
   Wendy

   Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
 committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
 is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret
 Meade ~~~
 
 
 
   - Original Message 
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:15:01 PM
   Subject: Re: Question about eye ulcers
 
 
   Ok, guys, since I'm feeling particularly sad
 tonight about my babies, let me ask this...
 
   How long have you all known of a cat surviving
 after FeLV+ diagnosis?
 
   I know the standard is, according to almost
 everyone, 2-3 years after diagnosis, but I'm sure
 some of you all have had experiences with cats
 living longer?
 
   Just curious what everyone's experiences have
 been.
 
 
   Michael
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Sylvester died at home this morning

2007-08-25 Thread glenda Goodman
Tracy,
 I'm so sorry. It never fails to make me cry when I
read these posts...It seems like each one of the
little guys has their own special way of saying
goodbye to us and it always seems like they are also
thanking those people who stuck by them and loved them
so much. 
I know he was special. One thing about loving a cat is
you can never regret it...Love from us here in
Nebraska. 
Glenda
--- Tracy Weese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 My giant (well, he used to be) ol' farm cat died
 this morning at home.
 
 Sylvester came off a farm where I take care of a
 dwindling (thanks to TNR) cat colony.  He got very
 sick about 2 years ago and I took him to the
 vet...of course it was more than being sick, he had
 FeLV+.  So he came home with my other cats (I had
 few other positives then, after today down to two
 now and soon to be one-CW is anemic and fading,
 too).
 
 He was big when I got him, about 16 pounds despite
 being so ill.  After many  at the vets' and then
 living at home, he was up to 22 lbs!  He stayed
 pretty healthy for about 1 year and  4 months (he
 was probably 7 when I got him).  He always had a
 little cough the vets thought was asthma (and yes,
 we checked and re-checked this).  But recently, he
 was not the same, more coughing, high fever, not
 eatingturns out his blood counts were all
 haywire.  Low RBC, Low white count and low
 plateletsthe antibiotics for the fever made his
 tummy hurt, too.  So at the vet yesterday I asked if
 it was time to let him go (he lost 2 lbs in a week),
 the vet didn't think so bec. of course, he perked up
 at the vets' and purred and pranced...He got a
 vitamin B12 shot and his very first steroid shot
 (yes, we discussed that steriods in a FeLV+ cat were
 a last resort).  When we got home, he had a good
 night.  He ate some, and hung out with me and the
 others (he had been staying under the bed except
 when I would drag him out for meds).  He even played
 some and tried to squeeze into a tiny box like he
 used to.
 
 This morning I awoke to a few sounds of slight
 distresshe was sleeping under the bed again
 (actually, the cats tore the bottom fabric of the
 box springs and he would sleep inside the box
 springs).  I reached down and touched him and told
 him I was there and then went to get a carrier to go
 to the vet.  In the seconds it took for me to run
 downstairs and get the carrier and come back up, he
 was gone.
 
 I had to cut the rest of the fabric to get him since
 he would lay furtherst from the opening.  I pulled
 him out and he was still, he looked very
 peaceful--no signs of struggle on him or under the
 bed.
 
 This is the very first cat I have had that died at
 home (and I have a cabinet full of cremated
 remains)...it was not terrible, but I did not plan
 it.  Last night was so good for him, I guess he had
 only one last good night in him.
 
 He died with me nearby and in the place he felt
 safest, under the bed.  I took him to the vets' so
 he can be cremated.
 I don't think he suffered but a few short seconds if
 that.  I gave him permission several days ago to
 leave if he needed to, I guess he needed to go
 today.
 
 Although I will miss him, several of my other cats
 will not.  He was a gentle giant, but a few of my
 smaller cats  terrorized him if they got the chance.
  He never struck out first and usually retreated,
 but he was always a sweetie to people.
 
 Please think good thoughts for Sylvester.



   

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Re: heartworm info

2007-08-28 Thread glenda Goodman
Susan, Thank you! I had treated a dog once for
heartworms and until this discussion being opened up
regarding heartworms in cats, had just assumed it
would be about the same thing. I do not like giving my
cats chemicals, each month, unless I might actually
see a flea, for example. I was surprised to discover a
cat cannot be treated for heartworms once infected by
disease, the same as a dog. I did know cat's
resistance was better and had always counted on
that... I guess now, heartworms is becoming another
thing we need to be worrying about for our cats...I'll
be sharing this info. with friends... I do know
heartworm disease in becoming more prevalent every
year in the United States. The dog I dealt with was a
dog I had rescued in Hawaii. He had a bad case. I had
him treated and he became negative. I thought it would
be the same for cats... In Hawaii, because the
incidence of heartworms is so high, I did keep my dog
on preventatives...I would do the same here, for dogs,
on the mainland now, as it is getting so common... I
will now be considering it for my cats next
summer...Thanks, Glenda
--- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi gang, 
 
 Funny, we were also discussing heartworms on another
 list today.
 
 Here is a link that was sent to me, I have not
 reviewed it, so, let me know what you think.
 
 Susan -  Found this website that seems to have loads
 of cat info on heartworm.  The video/animation is
 pretty cool.
 
 http://www.heartwormsociety.org/article.asp?id=16
 
 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
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