Re: [Felvtalk] Undesirable or just plain ugly cats

2013-08-15 Thread trustinhim13
I have to quote a humane society rescuer, I never meet a cat I couldn't 
love. Carolyn



On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

Yep.  We loves 'em cuz they're there.  Hemi hisses at me when I come 
around
a corner too fast  startle her.  Princess eats and sleeps all day. 
Will is
afraid of his shadow.  But as they are all rehabilitated ferals I 
figure,
Who Knows what trouble they've seen.  And I feel better seeing Hemi 
sleeping
in the shade in the yard, or Princess curled up in her bed on the 
couch, or
the lump of Will under the covers on my bed.  They may be crazy, but 
they

are safe and sound an provide good company and a few laughs!
Bonnie

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Of

Lorrie
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 4:39 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Undesirable or just plain ugly cats

Hey Lee,  You gave me a much needed laugh this morning, with your cat 
names.
Among my crew is a Fat Bastard who has been with us for 8 years now. 
The
thanks I get for rescuing him is getting bitten when I try to even 
briefly
pet him.  He is a miserable cat who bolts his food and then shoves his 
fat
face in the other cats food bowls forcing them to run for their lives. 
I
keep him because I'm too tender hearted to get rid of him, but oh how 
I'd

love to find him a nice barn home.

Lorrie

 On 08-14, Lee Evans wrote:
   You really have to decide why you are testing. If a cat is ill 
with the
   Mystery Illness, of course you need to run some tests to pinpoint 
what
   may be the cause of the illness. If you are adopting out, you 
probably
   should do a combo test without the heartworm part which I learned 
from
   this list can screw up the results of the other tests in the 
combo.
   However, if the 4 kittens mentioned have tested negative, I don't 
see

   any reason why not to adopt out. Because, and this is important to
   remember, the person wanting the kitten or a couple of kittens 
will get
   a couple of kittens from someone, somewhere and that person 
probably
   won't test at all, just advertise free to good home, healthy 
kittens.
   As long as the test is not definitely positive, you can ethically 
adopt
   out. I had an FIV+ cat who was not when I took him in. He was 
negative

   but thin. I polished him up and fattened him up and took him for
   adoption at the Humane Society here and they tossed him back to me 
as
   FIV+. I retested and sure enough. He had been incubating it for 
the
   months I had him fattening up and getting ready for his big day. 
Well,
   I still have Lancelot, mixed in with my regular gang because 
that's how
   he was when I took him home as a negative and he is still with me 
about
   7 years later. Now, I know this is only FIV, not as serious as 
FeLv but
   still. You can't predict the future as far as will the cat some 
day
   turn positive for FeLv. You shouldn't spend much needed money 
testing

   and re-testing to make all the planets line up correctly. My three
   originally positive FeLv cats who turned negative are still with 
me. If
   anyone had wanted the ugly mutts, I would have cheered and given 
them
   away in a nanosecond. But no one wanted a dumb possum faced tabby 
or an

   all black cat with a sort of snake like face or Percy who had an
   attitude and lost the virus but not the attitude. Lest anyone try 
to
   get on me for calling them ugly mutts, hey I call it like it is. 
That
   doesn't mean I don't love them. I love ugly mutts the most. Even 
when

   they are cats.

   Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and 
nasty

   neighbors too!


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Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm

2013-08-28 Thread trustinhim13
I just wanted to share that I put Advantage-multi drops on my felv+ cat, 
Pookie, in june and a week later there appear 1 then 2 puffy lumps on 
his back between his spine. They disappeared after a few weeks after 
intense intervention with syringe feeding of vitamins and nutrients. He 
then went into a period of running a fever and not eating or drinking. 
He was placed on Baytril for two weeks. The fever left and he started to 
eat and drink, but then developed a mouth sore. So he wasn't eating or 
drinking again. I have learned to be very sure when pilling that the 
pill actually goes down. I suspect one was lodged under his tongue and 
may have caused the mouth sore. I finally took him to a holistic vet and 
she has been giving him acupuncture. Within 24 hours he was eating and 
drinking again. She said the toughest needle to get in was in his nose 
(controls appetite), but he went from running a temp to a cold nose in 
one day. I also gave him some Clin drops leftover from another cats 
mouth abcess for a few days. His mouth sore healed. He has had 3 
acupunture treatments and is back to his old self. He is also getting 
some immune support herbs - one is called Wei Qi. He is 6 1/2 and has 
fought off the virus before when he was 2. I just want to caution others 
that these flea preps are strong and may not be good for Felv+ kitties. 
Carolyn



On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Lee Evans wrote:

With FeLv+ cats or any cats for that matter, it's always good to get 
the vet's opinion on what shampoo to use or not. Remember that some 
residue of the shampoo may be absorbed through the cat's skin. If you 
want to know more about cat diseases (or cattle, pig, horse, rabbit or 
anything disases) you can go to www.merckmanuals.com and click on The 
Merck Veterinary Manual. They list everything there. It's really 
wonderful. If you want to know about a particular medication you are 
told to use, go to www.drugs.com and type cat medication in the 
search area. Everything is listed in alphabetical order. You will 
discover that Malaseb is for dogs and horses. You might want to hold 
off using this on a cat or kitten. Ketochlor and other shampoos that 
begin with Keto- should be used only under the recommendation of a 
veterinarian. This one forms a coating of the substance on the cat's 
skin and lasts long after the shampoo has been used, according to the

 information on drugs.com.
I'm not sure that shampooing a cat is for everyone. I tried it once or 
twice. What I got was a mass of soap bubbles and foam with ears and 
eyes, racing around the house, screaching and snarling. Getting a cat 
to stand around for 5 to 10 minutes while the shampoo works, as 
advised in the information, is sooo not realistic. If you do want to 
shampoo, notify your next of kin first. Incidentally, it was a flea 
shampoo I used on an adult cat who was usually Mr. Charming but turned 
into a vampire the minute the water and soap hit him. This was before 
I found out about Capstar and Frontline Plus, many moons ago.








From: Catherine Chang changic...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:48 
PM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm



Hi felv friends,

I was away from emails for several days, so I am not sure whether 
bathing options has been mentioned in this thread about ringworm. If 
they been mentioned, please skip this email. If not, here they are:
I know 2 shampoos can eliminate ringworm very effectively by just 
bathing the cat (or just his/her infected area) twice a week. 
1. Malaseb shampoo: it contains 2% Miconazole which can treat 
ringworm very effectively. It is available on Amazon. 2. Nizoral 
Shampoo: it is a human dandruff shampoo made with Ketoconazole. The 
1% version can be obtained in drug stores. Although taking 
Ketoconazole by mouth could make cat lethargy, such side effect is 
less seen when only using it by bathing as far as I know. There is 
also a pet version of 2% Ketoconazole shampoo, but you will need a 
prescription to get that.

hope it helps.
catherine

 






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Re: [Felvtalk] Positive cat

2013-09-02 Thread trustinhim13
I have a FelV+ cat who is 6 1/2. He has lived in a household with 13 
other cats for over 4 years. He has not had any symptoms of disease in 
all those years except this summer. He was fighting off something, on 
antibiotics and acupuncture, and I isolated him. All my rescues were not 
tested for Felv because the test was $50 X 13 and it wasn't going to 
make a difference anyway. I was still going to rescue and neuter even if 
they were +. They are all inside cats. When a cat is visible ill and +, 
I would isolate bowls and litter. But otherwise no. I vacinated my Lucy 
for over 12 years with the Felv vaccine and she is 17 now. I just gave 
up with the tests and the vaccinations. Keep them clean, well fed and 
regular trips to the vet. The virus is very fragile. I had the courage 
to mingle these guys based on others who recsued Felv+ cats with no 
apparent contamination to the others.


 Sep 2, 2013 at 1:09 AM, Lee Evans wrote:

First of all, the vets blow way out of proportion the contagious 
factor in FeLv. Yes, a cat can be latent, as were my Tiger Boy and 
Twerp. Both latent, both tested negative all their long lives, then 
towards the end, they got a URI plus kidney failure and both passed 
within days of each other at ages 13 and 14. They lived with 8 other 
cats. I tested periodically but none of their mates ever turned 
positive and all the cats in that group regularly slept together, 
groomed each other, ate from the same dishes and shared litter boxes. 
You can't make any hard, fast rules with FeLv. Your cat has been 
living with the other cats so it's up to you whether she should 
continues to do that. However, please don't have her killed just 
because she tested positive. As for a cat going outside and bringing 
in FeLv, I really don't think so. They have to have some type of long 
term exposure or critical exposure - like meeting a cat who is already 
ill from the disease and

 grooming him. It's not airborne.







From: Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: 
Sunday, September 1, 2013 1:49 PM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Positive cat



None of the other cats go outside except for the one that got out

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On Sep 1, 2013, at 2:46 PM, Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com 
wrote:



Cat is now testing positive.  She was never tested as a kitten 
although her parents were and her littermate was. She has never been 
outside although one if the cats in the house did get out for about a 
week.  That cat and all other cats in the house have tested negative. 
 So is it possible that the cat that got out brought it in the house 
but still tests negative and this cat was exposed and is now 
positive?  


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 1, 2013, at 9:10 AM, john pollack bucfa...@yahoo.com wrote:


Yes, it most certainly is. My Tigger was Positve. Everyone else here 
tested negative, and still does,.

Tigger passed at age 5 2 years ago. all STILL negative here.





From: kgbarnc...@gmail.com kgbarnc...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 
8:49 AM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Positive cat



also, a previously 'negative' cat could in fact have a latent 
infection which does not show up.  This can go on for potentially 
years and later turn positive when sick/stressed.



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From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Positive cat
Date: Sun, Sep 1, 2013 8:19 am



Sure, if the cat got outside or are otherwise exposed to other 
cats. Not all cats coming into contact with a positive cat will 
contract the virus.Plus the virus can take 90 days to show up on a 
test. You'd have to be more specific about the circumstances - when 
all the cats were tested, what kind of test, are the cats 
indoors/outdoors?




 Beth
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From: Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 
7:43 PM

Subject: [Felvtalk] Positive cat


Is it possible for one cat in a house of multiple cats to be 
positive when everyone else is negative and even parents and all 
other cats from its litter are negative.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

2013-09-11 Thread trustinhim13

Praying that Lucky heals.



On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

We spent a lot of time (and almost $500) at the vet today.  The great 
news
is Lucky's blood work looks real good, as do his x-rays (he does have 
some

arthritis in his back).  He has no apparent blockages (tumors) in his
urinary tract.  They did not see any crystals.  The vet did say his 
bladder

is very small and looks very inflamed.  So they gave him a shot of an
anti-inflammatory/anti-pain med (a good thing, he calmed down a lot, 
which
is good to see), gave him anti-biotic (suspected u.t.i.), 
anti-inflammatory
and an ocular anti-biotic/steroid for his runny (herpes) eye.   Poor 
little

dude, he sure went through a lot today!  Now he's home, getting
re-acquainted with the other cats and chilling.  Looks like I've got a 
FLUTD
feline here.  They gave me a prescription for another type of special 
food

(Royal Canine) which I'll try (he hates the CD).  Fingers crossed.

Thank you all for your words of advice, help, suggestions and
encouragements.  Lucky thanks you too!

Bonnie



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Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba

2013-09-15 Thread trustinhim13

What is a hemobart?



On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 2:05 AM, Beth wrote:

He was not good last night when I got home. He barely lifted his head. 
I wasn't sure he would still be alive this morning. He seems perkier 
this morning. I'm home all day so we will see how it goes.


dlg...@windstream.net wrote:


How is Bubba doing now?


 JC microscopicwin...@yahoo.com wrote:

He's in my thoughts and prayers, as are you..
--- On Wed, 6/12/13, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:

From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:59 PM

Poor Bubba! I'm sorry he's having such a rough time, and a rude bite 
on the tail to top it off. Hopefully he can clear the Hemobart and 
move on. I'll add him to the purrayers list.

Best wishes to you and Bubba,
Lance
On Jun 12, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hey guys need some positive energy for one of my FeLV fosters - 
Bubba. He had been battling a URI. Tried a couple different 
antibiotics, and finally, after a week the URI cleared   he started 
eating on his own last Sunday. Well as soon as I took him off the 
Doxy he started going down again. We went to the shelter this 
afternoon  thankfully they had a wonderful vet volunteering who has 
experience in FeLV kitties.
We're wondering now if he has Hemobart since he starting going down 
after withdrawing the Doxy. His gums were pink, though. I've had a 
constant battle with fleas. Advantage was no longer working so I 
switched  Frontline, but that doesn't seem to be working well 
either.
He got fluids, more Doxy, Prenisone, Cyproheptadine, Capstar  AD. 
On top of that it looks like he has a cat bite o
his tail. Poor baby. Going to go home tonight  spend some one-on-one 
time with him.
Just being able to talk to you guys about these babies really helps. 
At least I feel like someone understands how helpless I feel 
sometimes.


Beth

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bad News

2013-09-15 Thread trustinhim13

Sorry Amanda.


On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Beth wrote:


So sorry, Amanda. Thank you for taking such good care of Polli.
You both are in my thoughts.

Beth

Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:

Amanda, so sorry to hear about Polli.  I'll say a prayer for her, 
that her
journey and transition are easy.  And for you, that the pain of loss 
heals

quickly.

Bonnie



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of

Amanda K. Payne
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 5:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bad News



Hi everyone,



We took Polli in to a new vet today to get something new to treat her 
URI.
She had a bad reaction to Clavamox and we were looking for a new vet 
who

would be more aggressive and open minded with her treatments.



We found a great vet, one I used to go to when I lived on the other 
side of
town.  He was optimistic about her treatment and was confident we 
could get
her over this URI.  However, he noticed that her belly is distended. 
He did
a tap and diagnosed her with FIP (another disease I have already 
dealt with
before).  Her skin and gums are also very jaundiced. He says it 
appears her

body is shutting down.



We made an appointment to euthanize her at our home tomorrow 
afternoon.
She's been on a decline for the past two weeks and feel it's time to 
help

her go.


Please keep us in your thoughts.



Best,

-Amanda



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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

2013-09-24 Thread trustinhim13
I agree with Lee completely. It angers me that someone can get through 
Vet school and still not be knowledgable about this disease. I rescued a 
male cat, two years old, and only then learned he was FelV+ after he was 
neutered. He has thrown off the virus twice. He is over 6 now. mingels 
with my other rescues and no one has gotten sick. Killing kittens 
becasue they carry the virus (or some test says they ahve it) is 
irresponsible.



On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote:

I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in 
about 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may 
or may not have been actually positive. Since their immune system is 
not fully developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as 
adults. Too bad about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such 
ridiculously incorrect advice. Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, 
then re-test. You really should find them a home with a person who 
understands that a positive test does not mean the kitten should be 
killed. If they are still looking and feeling well, let them live. A 
home with no other cats or with cat-friendly dog is the best for this 
type of kitten.








From: Betheny Laubenthal bailleyspetc...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:04 
PM

Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing



What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can 
be done so that it is accurate?  I know that if it is done early on, 
it can be inaccurate.
The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July 
16.  We did not test.  I don't like testing before 16 weeks.  We 
pulled the kitten and her sister from another state.  Mom was in a 
high kill shelter.  She was PTS before we could rescue her.  The rest 
of the litter was PTS.  Miles and Journey were the only ones left.
Today, the kitten (Miles) tested positive for leukemia and was PTS 
(the ill informed vet used scare tactics on the owner and made the 
owner think that her dogs could get it).  I was called after the 
fact.
What is proper testing protocol?  Vaccination protcol?  I use a 4 way 
with feline leukemia, killed virus.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

2013-09-24 Thread trustinhim13

Shelley..

I lost a cat to FL in the 90's. After that I panicked and faithfully 
vaccinated my next five cats every year. Then I rescued another FL cat. 
Separated him from the others while he was symptomatic. He threw off the 
virus. As fate would have it, other rescues came to my door. I couldn't 
afford to have them all tested and vaccinated. (13).  All my cats mingle 
together and non gets sick. I don't even bother to have my rescues 
tested because I know that I would never put them down anyway. I was 
encouraged by a women I met years ago who mixed negatives and positves 
with good results. When my one FL cat has had symptoms (only twice in 4 
years) I isolate and treat him until he gets better. I am fastidious 
about clean bowls and water. God is taking care of them and me. If you 
have the money and you have only a few, get what ever treatment/tests 
are available. But I wouldn't stress over the testing. My Pookie will 
always test positive because he carries the disease in his system. But 
he is healthy as can be otherwise. I finally decided when my Lucy was 13 
(she's 17 now). to stop vaccinating her. If they don't have enough 
antibodies built up by then, they never will!  Maybe I am lucky, or just 
stupid, but I couldn't let an animal die form a lack of a home.


On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Shelley Theye wrote:


Hi Lee,

Thanks for explaining.  Not sure if there is hope for Leo to still 
turn negative.  He tested positive last July, when trapped and 
neutered, and then again in Nov.  I haven't retested yet, and am 
thinking of doing the IFA too.  Does the woman who has Taffy have all 
of her other cats vaccinated for FeLV?


Do most people on this list who mix positive and negatives have their 
negatives vaccinated for FeLV?


Shelley



On Sep 24, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Lee Evans wrote:

Hi Shelley - I'm not sure as to when they were exposed. These were 
cats rescued from different places at different times. One, a male 
who I have had not for about 6 to 7 years, was rescued when he was 
not neutered, around age 2, street cat, but tame. Since I was going 
to get him adopted after neutering, I had him tested before I took 
him into my own house. He tested negative for FIV but positive for 
FeLv. I tested again at another vet. Still positive, but that vet 
suggested that I keep him for two months and then re-test. This guy 
was on top of the latest literature in vet medicine. So I did so, 
took Moses (cats name) back and he had turned negative. Not to say 
that I did not believe the test but too, Moses for yet another test 
and he was again negative. He's still with me.


Bunny (Buns for short) is a female, abandoned at an apartment complex 
(notorious for abandoned, feral and stray cats). She was less than a 
year old when she was brought to me on Easter Morning. Thus her name, 
Bunny. I put her in a separate room, then took to vet to be tested. 
She tested positive for FeLv. Kept her isolated, did not spay, 
re-tested in about 3 months, she tested negative. Tested again to be 
sure. Negative again so got her spayed.
However, my luck did not hold very well. Recently had a rescued 
kitten brought to me. I took Taffy to a local Humane Society in 
Bulverde Texas. They tested her prior to putting her up for adoption. 
When they tested her, she tested positive for FeLv. I took her back, 
found her a foster home with a wonderful foster mom, who kept her 
isolated for 3 months but Taffy still tested positive at the end of 
the isolation period. Fortunately, Foster mom loves her and although 
Taffy doesn't mix in to the community of 7 cats that Foster Mom has, 
Taffy lives with Foster Mom's dog in a spare bedroom and gets to 
socialize with the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is 
perfectly happy with the arrangement. So is the dog.


The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect 
that Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not able to fight off 
the virus as a kitten because she did not have very good care and 
ended up as a little street stray.



From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 
10:49 AM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

Lee,

Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you 
have that threw off the virus?
Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they 
have had the FeLV virus for more than 2 months

before they ever were tested?

Shelley



On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote:

I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus 
in about 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, 
they may or may not have been actually positive. Since their immune 
system is not fully developed, they might not throw off the virus as 
soon as adults. Too bad about the idiot vet who gave the adopters 
such ridiculously incorrect advice. Keep the kittens for another 4 
weeks, then re-test. You really 

Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

2013-09-26 Thread trustinhim13
Lee makes a point, You probably do not want to mix a FL+ cat with others 
if that cat is a fighter. My Pookie is a total marshmellow. And he 
doesn't even like to mingle with the other cats. He'll be in the same 
room with them, but never grooms or lies next to them. Also this summer 
when he was symptomatic, he was separated into his own room. I have 
heard that what most often kills FL+ cats is an infection that they 
cannot fight because the virus attacks their immune system. My holistic 
vet, besides the accupuncture, has proscribed Wei Qi (Way chee) for his 
immune system. He is also on Standard Process Feline Immune System 
Support. The regular vets will not know about these (sadly). The Baytril 
(regular vet) knock out what secondary infection he came up with, and 
the accupuncture and these other herbs brought him to full health. 
Because the holistic vet was so helpful, I would recommend them to 
anyone. No kiddingone day he was not eating and running a 
tempthe day after the accupuncture, he jumped on my lap, had a cold 
nose, and started eating. I don't care how it works.but it did for 
him. Grateful mom..



On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Lee Evans wrote:

What I meant is that I don't mix leukemia positive cats into my 
general group as I would an FIV positive cat with a marshmallow 
personality who does not fight, not an alpha cat type. I did have two 
feline leukemia positive cats for over two years. They lived together 
in a separate room with each other. They were perfectly healthy for 
those two years, then suddenly turned symptomatic. One passed away 
quickly from what the vet diagnosed as bone marrow cancer. The other 
simply lost weight uncontrollably and followed his buddy over the 
edge. He probably also had bone marrow cancer or lymphoma. Those are 
the most likely two illness that kill the leukemia positive cats when 
the disease goes active. I also found a wonderful  person who had had 
losses from feline leukemia but was willing to go through the 
heartbreak again just to give a cat a chance at life. One of the cats 
I gave to her passed away in two years. The second one I begged her to 
take ( I think
 she was ready to shoot me when phoned to ask if she would foster 
another FeLv+ cat) is still living the life of luxury with her. It has 
been 6 years and counting so far. Keeping all fingers and paws 
crossed.








From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 
6:39 PM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing


Hi,
Thanks for describing your cats' histories.
Can you explain what you mean in the last few sentences of your 
posting? 
However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular 
group. Right now all the cats who are with me are either negative or 
turned.


Shelley


On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Lee Evans wrote:




From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:33 PM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

You are a good, caring and compassionate person. I don't feel that 
FeLv is as contagious as vets try to panic us into thinking. I had 
two cats mixed in with 8 others. They all lived together in cat 
harmony for many years, grooming each other, eating, drinking 
together and using the same litter boxes. They lived in love and 
happiness. Then Tiger and Twerp became ill. They were very old, 
around 15 years. I had had them tested twice throughout their 
lifetime when each had come down with a very stubborn URI. But they 
had tested negative both times. At the end of their days, I had them 
tested again to see if they were not suffering from old age but from 
something I could possibly treat. Along with the fact that they both 
had renal failure, they both tested positive for FeLv. Probably, the 
virus was dormant in the bone marrow all those years but when their 
immune system began to break down and their kidneys were failing, 
the virus took hold also. They
 passed away quietly within hours of each other. The other 8 cats who 
had been living with them tested negative for everything and all died 
of old age and renal failure. I don't know when Tiger and Twerp became 
actively FeLv+ but it doesn't matter. It shows that even with such 
close interaction, the cats that did not test positive still did not 
test positive. However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with 
my regular group. Right now all the cats who are with me are either 
negative or turned. However, I do have a few little marshmallows who 
are FIV+ mixed into the group because they don't fight. I also have a 
small FIV shelter, a detached building of one large room and a 
wire-enclosed porch for four FIV+ cats who have a bit of an attitude 
and are not to be trusted to keep a friendly discussion friendly.







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Re: [Felvtalk] remedy for feline UTI?

2013-10-08 Thread trustinhim13

Dotty,

I can't say enough about accupuncture. You will need to find a holistic 
vet in your area. Not only do they cure the problems but they presrcibe 
immune system support as well as other herbs. Where do you live? Carolyn



On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 5:42 PM, dot winkler wrote:

Hi everyone out there.  It's me again - Dotty.  With another cat 
problem. 


But first, an update on Tiger.  I want you all to know that 
because of your help and support and advice and financial assistance, 
Tiger is a success story.  He was vetted last year by me and finally 
given to my sister in law.  He has overcome his gum issues with the 
 FIV and wheezing problem finally.  He has a wonderful, loving home 
with my sister in law and niece as an indoor cat.  He has filled out 
and is very healthy and happy.  I owe a part of his success to you - 
to the people who were able to contribute to his costly care.  And to 
everyone in this group - a wonderful group full of supportive people 
and full of advice, stories and a wealth of tried and true 
information.  Thank you all.  Dotty Winkler  


Back to my cat at home - Shamus - 10 + YO male.  Stray i took in last 
year to save.  Had urinary crystals.  Cured of that with surgical 
procedure.  However, contracted Staph and E coli infec from the 
catheterization and surgical prc. .  Hospitalized at vet with IV 
fluids and sent home with anti b however is having a hard time 
throwing this off.  Are there any homeopathic remedies for this that 
you all could recommend?  What are yourexperiences with this?  Thank 
you, worried about Shamus - Dotty




 From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home?


I just figured our kitties are fine and we’re hunkering down getting 
ready for Fall!

 
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of Beth

Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 12:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home?
 
Yahoo. was having some problems a few weeks ago. Sometimes nobody, 
thankfully, is having any problems.

Sometimes no news is good news
 
 
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 
 



From:kat merrykatme...@email.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home?
 
I'm here - tho I mainly just lurk these days..

It has been quiet.

Kat (Mew Jersey)
 
 
- Original Message -

From: Lee Evans
Sent: 10/07/13 01:25 PM
To: Felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home?
 
I haven't received any messages from the group in over two weeks! 
Yahoo was sending back my messages with the information that the 
address no longer exists. What gives?


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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

2013-10-10 Thread trustinhim13

Jennifer,
 My Pookie was diagnosed when he was 2 years old, and the virus showed 
up after I had him neutered. I took him to a vet who told me his blood 
count was 4.5, that it was in his bone marrow, and he would not live out 
the week. Unable to stand, I brought him home and nourished him the best 
I could. The vet gave me a huge bottle of amoxicillan and basically said 
good luck. I fed him broth through a syringe. Pushed vitamins (Petinic), 
water,  DMG, etc. He recovered. My miracle boy. He is still with me at 
age 6 1/2. Praise God! Don't give up. I have had great results with a 
holistic vet and accupuncture this summer. He had a fare up. I don't 
know how it works but it does. I also give him Wei Qi (way chee) a herb 
that helps his immune system. Better than DMG which is for humans. I 
found he wasn't eating becasue he had a sore in his mouth. Sometimes the 
vets won't check for a sore in the mouth. They won't eat or drink if it 
hurts. ClinDrops (clindamycin) worked for that.  I will be praying for 
you. Carolyn


On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew wrote:


Hey all-


This is the first time I have posted to the forum.  I have two FeLV
positive cats, one two and one three years old.  The older cat has 
never
had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only 
recently
started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her.  Just 
within
the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and 
only

drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very
unsteady and wobbly.  I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked 
her

blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated.
They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably 
related to
possibly being dehydrated.  They gave her a B12 shot and I took her 
home.

I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any
unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and 
that I
would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while 
she was
alive so that she would have the best chances.  I'm just wondering if 
any
of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to 
pull out
of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left. 
I'm
sincerely heartbroken.  I really thought I had nursed her through the 
most
risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on to 
live
a halfway long life.  In any case, if anyone has any advice or 
information

I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks all,

Jennifer

--
To love is to risk not being loved in return.
To hope is to risk pain.
To try is to risk failure,
But risk must be taken,
Because the greatest hazard in life
Is to risk nothing.
--Leo Buscaglia


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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

2013-10-10 Thread trustinhim13
And always use a syringe with a lot of liquid to the food. They will 
fight you, but anything you can get down is a plus. I used baby food 
mixed with non-flavored Pedialyte. Put her in her own room, on a bed 
away from the others. Go in every two hours to feed her some fluids.



On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 6:06 PM, katskat1 wrote:

Good info Margo.  You definitely have to hydrate and keep hydrating 
quickly
Jennifer and force feed if necessary.  Keep Amoxcillan (sp) on hand at 
the
very least but I suggest talk to your vet and buy/keep several 
different
types on hand with his/her help on determining which to start and 
when.

 Good luck.

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013, Margo wrote:


 Hi Jennifer,

My first thought is to get her immediately on sub-q
fluids, and join the yahoo CRF list
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Feline-CRF-Support/info .

 If you think about what a hangover feels like (or 
have
someone who has over-imbibed explain the feeling) then you understand 
how
dehydration makes her feel. Can you be a bit more specific about her 
blood
counts? Is she anemic? Are her white cells low? What else is out of 
whack?


  Not everything that happens to an FeLV cat is FeLV
related, but we do have to react faster, as they can't fight of even 
minor

illness like a non-FeLV cat can. My + cats are on Interferon and DMG,
probably for the duration. Anything else that pops up we treat very
aggressively, and I have antibiotics on hand, which I often start 
even

before we get to the Vet, with her blessing.

   Jennifer, it's unlikely she'll come out of it by
herself. Just resolving the dehydration may be key to getting her 
going
again, it can make a HUGE difference. I'd ask the Vet if it's 
possible that
she has an infection that might be causing some of this with her 
kidneys,

and if an antibiotic could be tried.

I watch my positives carefully. When Gribble was 
first
diagnosed, I was sure I would lose him. He had a fever of 107, which 
we
brought down with ice and ketoprofen, and then his temp went down to 
97. I
did not expect him to live thru the night, so sat with him and moved 
him
between bags of frozen veggies and a heating pad. He was about 2 at 
that

time, early March of last year. He was assist fed, on two antibiotics
(there wasn't time for a CS) and started on Interferon ASAP. You 
might
consider Immunoregulin, we bought it, but it's still on hold in case 
he
relapses and doesn't respond to anything else. Mako also occasionally 
has
some issues, and we treat with antibiotics and/or antivirals. The 
truth is
that I don;t know if they get better because of that, or in spite of 
my

efforts.

 My advice would be to try to resolve the 
dehydration,

get some food into her, and request an antibiotic from the Vet (I use
Zenequin, but others might be more appropriate). Keep her warm and 
quiet,

and love her.

All the best,

Margo



-Original Message-
From: Jennifer Ballew **
Sent: Oct 9, 2013 4:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org');
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

Hey all-


This is the first time I have posted to the forum.  I have two FeLV
positive cats, one two and one three years old.  The older cat has 
never
had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only 
recently
started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her.  Just 
within
the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and 
only
drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems 
very
unsteady and wobbly.  I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked 
her
blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were 
elevated.
They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably 
related to
possibly being dehydrated.  They gave her a B12 shot and I took her 
home.

I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any
unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and 
that I
would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while 
she was
alive so that she would have the best chances.  I'm just wondering if 
any
of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to 
pull out
of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left. 
I'm
sincerely heartbroken.  I really thought I had nursed her through the 
most
risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on 
to live
a halfway long life.  In any case, if anyone has any advice or 
information

I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks all,

Jennifer

--
To love is to risk not being loved in return.
To hope is to risk pain.
To try is to risk failure,
But risk must be taken,
Because the greatest hazard in life
Is to risk nothing.
--Leo Buscaglia





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Re: [Felvtalk] virus has finally caught up with her :-(

2013-10-10 Thread trustinhim13

That is good. You can offer Pedialyte with the water.


On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Jennifer Ballew wrote:

Well she is still drinking water for now, albeit not very much.  So I 
guess

that's something.

Jennifer
On Oct 9, 2013 6:07 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:


Good info Margo.  You definitely have to hydrate and keep hydrating
quickly Jennifer and force feed if necessary.  Keep Amoxcillan (sp) 
on hand

at the very least but I suggest talk to your vet and buy/keep several
different types on hand with his/her help on determining which to 
start and

when.  Good luck.

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013, Margo wrote:


 Hi Jennifer,

My first thought is to get her immediately on sub-q
fluids, and join the yahoo CRF list
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Feline-CRF-Support/info .

 If you think about what a hangover feels like (or 
have
someone who has over-imbibed explain the feeling) then you 
understand how
dehydration makes her feel. Can you be a bit more specific about her 
blood
counts? Is she anemic? Are her white cells low? What else is out of 
whack?


  Not everything that happens to an FeLV cat is FeLV
related, but we do have to react faster, as they can't fight of even 
minor
illness like a non-FeLV cat can. My + cats are on Interferon and 
DMG,

probably for the duration. Anything else that pops up we treat very
aggressively, and I have antibiotics on hand, which I often start 
even

before we get to the Vet, with her blessing.

   Jennifer, it's unlikely she'll come out of it by
herself. Just resolving the dehydration may be key to getting her 
going
again, it can make a HUGE difference. I'd ask the Vet if it's 
possible that
she has an infection that might be causing some of this with her 
kidneys,

and if an antibiotic could be tried.

I watch my positives carefully. When Gribble was
first diagnosed, I was sure I would lose him. He had a fever of 107, 
which
we brought down with ice and ketoprofen, and then his temp went down 
to 97.
I did not expect him to live thru the night, so sat with him and 
moved him
between bags of frozen veggies and a heating pad. He was about 2 at 
that
time, early March of last year. He was assist fed, on two 
antibiotics
(there wasn't time for a CS) and started on Interferon ASAP. You 
might
consider Immunoregulin, we bought it, but it's still on hold in case 
he
relapses and doesn't respond to anything else. Mako also 
occasionally has
some issues, and we treat with antibiotics and/or antivirals. The 
truth is
that I don;t know if they get better because of that, or in spite of 
my

efforts.

 My advice would be to try to resolve the
dehydration, get some food into her, and request an antibiotic from 
the Vet
(I use Zenequin, but others might be more appropriate). Keep her 
warm and

quiet, and love her.

All the best,

Margo



-Original Message-
From: Jennifer Ballew **
Sent: Oct 9, 2013 4:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

Hey all-


This is the first time I have posted to the forum.  I have two FeLV
positive cats, one two and one three years old.  The older cat has 
never
had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only 
recently
started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her.  Just 
within
the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and 
only
drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems 
very
unsteady and wobbly.  I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked 
her
blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were 
elevated.
They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably 
related to
possibly being dehydrated.  They gave her a B12 shot and I took her 
home.

I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any
unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and 
that I
would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while 
she was
alive so that she would have the best chances.  I'm just wondering 
if any
of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to 
pull out
of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have 
left.  I'm
sincerely heartbroken.  I really thought I had nursed her through 
the most
risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on 
to live
a halfway long life.  In any case, if anyone has any advice or 
information

I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks all,

Jennifer

--
To love is to risk not being loved in return.
To hope is to risk pain.
To try is to risk failure,
But risk must be taken,
Because the greatest hazard in life
Is to risk nothing.
--Leo Buscaglia



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Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums

2013-10-30 Thread trustinhim13


Katherine, he may be slightly anemic? Have you ever used Pet-tinic? It 
is a liquid vitamin. Vets used to carry it. I got mine at a good price 
from Amazon. It's cheap. I think it is has iron in it. and it works for 
my FEV+ kitty who every now an then has pale gums. Carolyn


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Katherine K. wrote:

 Just saw Avaykn's email as I was writing this. I have the opposite 
problem - pale gums.


One of my positive kittens Terence has started looking/feeling a little 
skinny and his usually short sleek fur has a more raggedy look to it. I 
checked his gums this morning and they were pale compared to his 3 
siblings (who are also positive). He is 6 months old. They are on lysine 
and getting wet and dry food.


I'm going to try adding fortiflora and get some lixotinic from the vet. 
Appetite seems normal, he's still active/playful but perhaps less so 
than usual.


Katherine


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Re: [Felvtalk] Pale gums

2013-10-30 Thread trustinhim13

also preservatives.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Beth wrote:

Watch the lunch meat. I didn't realize a lot of the stuff you get at 
the deli counter has onions  or garlic added.


Beth

Amanda K. Payne amandak.pa...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi,

Pet-tinic is a liquid supplement rich in iron, copper and Vitamins 
B12, B6
and Thiamine, among other vitamins.  The belief is that this 
supplement
will help the animal produce more RBCs.  There is also a product 
called
Liqui-Tinic which offers similar vitamins and minerals.  It does, 
however,

have corn syrup in it which I am not a big fan of.

Transfer Factor Plus is a combination of amino acids and vitamins. 
It's

works by boosting the immune system's response.  FeLV+ felines are at
greater risk for contracting illness because of the virus; by 
boosting the

immune system, they are able to fight opportunistic illness better.

I obviously can't guarantee these are what kept her alive.  It could 
have
been the constant love, lunch meat or her little body fighting on its 
own.
However, it also didn't hurt.  Several people on this forum have used 
one
or the other or both and have had success with them.  I truly believe 
that
if she hadn't contracted FIP, she would have continued to recover 
with the

help of these supplements... and endless amounts of lunch meat ;)

-A


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Avaykn ava...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi Amanda,
Can you please tell me more about Petinic and transfer factor?

Thanks,

Sent from my iPhone.

On Oct 29, 2013, at 13:31, Amanda K. Payne 
amandak.pa...@gmail.com

wrote:

Hello Katherine,

I definitely have to back Heather here.  Pale gums and eating litter 
are

very indicative of anemia.  Earlier this year, our sweet girl Polli,
started licking walls and clay planters.  She slowly lost interest 
in her
toys and food.  By the time I took her to the vet, she was severely 
anemic.
 The vet didn't think she had more than a week and was hesitant to 
treat
her.  She was also about six months when she started showing 
symptoms.


We gave her Pet-tinic and Transfer Factor Plus in addition to a
vitamin-rich diet and a lot of pampering.  She fought through the 
anemia

but we lost her to FIP five months later.

I would suggest taking him to the vet as soon as possible.  The 
earlier

you catch anemia, the better the chances are of treating it.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Yes, definitely.  I would get him in asap (today).  This is a worry 
with
any kitty and especially felv+ kitties.  Last time someone told me 
their
cat was eating litter, he died soon after even though they got him 
to the

vet (probably needed a transfusion which I don't think they tried).

Again not to scare you but given pale gums + eating litter, would 
rather
err to the side of caution and say get him in asap as that's 
definitely

worriesome.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Katherine K. 
kaths...@gmail.comwrote:


Thanks. After doing few searches on the listserv archive and 
reading
past posts I wanted to add that I also have found him a couple of 
times
recently eating litter (the kind he was eating was Worlds Best Cat 
Litter
made from corn, but he also uses clay litter) and he has a 
tendency to lick
the shower drain after my shower. Seems like those could also be 
symptoms

of anemia..missing a mineral or something.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Pale gums can indicate anemia, if gums are white they are usually 
near
death.  I'd get the kitty's PCV (packed cell volume) checked 
asap.  FELV+
cats are particularly prone to anemia, I don't have any FELV+ 
cats and
think sometimes it is non-regenerative but some here might have 
some advice.


Not to scare you, but anemia is something that needs to be 
addressed

quickly.


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Katherine K. 
kaths...@gmail.comwrote:


Just saw Avaykn's email as I was writing this. I have the 
opposite

problem - pale gums.

One of my positive kittens Terence has started looking/feeling a
little skinny and his usually short sleek fur has a more raggedy 
look to
it. I checked his gums this morning and they were pale compared 
to his 3
siblings (who are also positive). He is 6 months old. They are 
on lysine

and getting wet and dry food.

I'm going to try adding fortiflora and get some lixotinic from 
the
vet. Appetite seems normal, he's still active/playful but 
perhaps less so

than usual.

Katherine

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bunny Passed Away This Evening

2013-11-01 Thread trustinhim13


Lee, SO, so sorry about precious little Bunny. It doesn't sound like 
there was anything you could have done. In my experience it is very 
difficult for a healthy adult kitty to catch the virus from a virus+ 
kitty. I have 13, one is positive (though not symptomatic). It's in his 
bone marrow.  He's 6 1/2. He has been tested several times, and though 
unsyptomatic, has always tesdted positive. Test  all you kitties and 
then relax. Theya re probably okay. Carolyn


On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Lee Evans wrote:

 She came to me two and a half years ago when she was around 9 months 
old. She had been abandoned at an apartment complex, rescued but then 
tested FeLv+. She was brought to me to see if she would turn negative. 
She did! I kept her anyway because she had a few bad habits, like biting 
my fingers when I was sleeping and trying to tear apart my iPod 
headphones. She was very mischievous. I named her Bunny because she was 
brought to me on Easter Sunday.  She has lived with me and two other 
cats in my bedroom/home office since that Easter in 2011. About two 
weeks ago I noticed a change in her behavior. She no longer pestered 
Delilah, the resident female cat in the room and she seemed to lose 
interest in sleeping on the bed with me and Samson and Delilah (the two 
other cats in the room).  However she was eating normally and nothing 
else seemed out of place. I assumed that it was the change in the 
weather from very hot to nice, cool evenings and then to rain. On 
Saturday of last week she seemed lethargic. She was not eating her usual 
amount of food and not drinking her usual amount of water. I checked her 
gums to see if it might be stomatitis or some bad tooth upsetting her 
but her gums were very pale and so was her tongue. I immediately thought 
it was flea anemia. I took her to the vet on Tuesday because Monday is 
usually very busy with dogs there. She was more lethargic and depressed 
by then and her appetite had all but disappeared. She was still drinking 
water. She had no fleas so I asked the vet to re-test her for FeLv. Sure 
enough, she was positive. She had all the classic symptoms of active 
FeLv. I was heart broken but still, I asked him to give her some meds to 
make her more comfortable and perhaps get back her appetite. He gave 
her cortisone. Today, she was no better. She just lay on her towel and 
couldn't make it to the litter box although it was just a few steps 
away. I took her in again and he gave her some fluids, not too much 
because he said it would make her even more anemic. He gave her a little 
more cortisone to try to kick start her appetite. I had been syringe 
feeding her by then. He also gave her a small dose of Convenia and some 
B-complex but nothing helped. She passed several hours after the vet 
visit. I probably should have had him help her pass but I just didn't 
want to give up hope.



There is a question here, in all this upsetting dialog. My other two 
cats who slept with me and Bunny and groomed each other, ate with each 
other, drank and used the same litter box are around 7 years old. The 
vet told me that once they are into adulthood, they are not as likely to 
get FeLv as they would if they were under 2 years old. Is this true? I 
will have them tested in about 3 weeks anyway to see what happened, if 
anything. Also, has anyone had the experience of a young cat throwing 
off the virus and turning negative, then turning positive again after a 
year, or was that second test after I had held her in isolation for 4 
months a false negative?


Right now I'm fostering a kitten who has tested negative for FIV/FeLv. 
She is several rooms away from where Bunny has lived. They never came in 
contact with each other but I have walked from my bedroom into the 
kitten's room to feed, clean, etc.. Did I put her at risk?


This is desperately upsetting. I have decided not to take in any more 
fosters with FeLv. I have never had this happen before. Most of my 
turned cats are still with me and are  well into several years of 
adulthood. I usually don't have good results with getting turned cats 
adopted because most people don't want the possibility that the cat is 
harboring the disease. Maybe Bunny had it in her bone marrow and tested 
negative on the regular SNAP test. I should have tested with the IFA 
also but don't have much money to spare.



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Re: [Felvtalk] dermatitis, steroids, and FeLV+ cats

2013-11-06 Thread trustinhim13

Lance, My Bell had the same condit


On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Lance wrote:


Hi all,

My Ember has had dermatitis for about two months now. A month ago, the 
vet gave her a Convenia shot, and that didn’t seem to change things 
much. I gave her 2mg of chlor trimeton twice a day for five days, and 
that hasn’t changed anything substantially. She has lesions on her 
neck and shoulders, and there also must be some near her backside, as 
she’s licked some hair off her legs, lower tail, and stomach.
I should note that I’m 99.9% certain this has nothing to do with 
fleas. Ember has no exposure to other animals or the outside (she’s 
isolated in a set of rooms on the second floor of this house), I have 
seen no fleas on her, and I haven’t had any jump on me. The vet found 
none on her when she went in a month ago.


I spoke to the vet today, and she mentioned that they usually give 
cats with this type of dermatitis a steroid injection, but that she 
worries about doing that to Ember, given her FeLV+ status. The vet did 
say that, rather than an injection, we could try tablets. That would 
at least allow us to control how much exposure Ember gets. Right now, 
this doesn’t seem to be life-threatening. I’m wondering what others 
have done in this situation.

Thanks,

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Re: [Felvtalk] dermatitis, steroids, and FeLV+ cats

2013-11-06 Thread trustinhim13
Lance, My Bell had the same condition. She was an older cat and not 
FELV+. I tried the steroid shots several times. It would clear up for a 
few weeks after and then back again. I finally found vet who knew how to 
treat her with prednisone -- a fairly strong dose, for over 2 weeks. It 
cleared up and never came back. It isn't fleas. Carolyn



On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Lance wrote:


Hi all,

My Ember has had dermatitis for about two months now. A month ago, the 
vet gave her a Convenia shot, and that didn’t seem to change things 
much. I gave her 2mg of chlor trimeton twice a day for five days, and 
that hasn’t changed anything substantially. She has lesions on her 
neck and shoulders, and there also must be some near her backside, as 
she’s licked some hair off her legs, lower tail, and stomach.
I should note that I’m 99.9% certain this has nothing to do with 
fleas. Ember has no exposure to other animals or the outside (she’s 
isolated in a set of rooms on the second floor of this house), I have 
seen no fleas on her, and I haven’t had any jump on me. The vet found 
none on her when she went in a month ago.


I spoke to the vet today, and she mentioned that they usually give 
cats with this type of dermatitis a steroid injection, but that she 
worries about doing that to Ember, given her FeLV+ status. The vet did 
say that, rather than an injection, we could try tablets. That would 
at least allow us to control how much exposure Ember gets. Right now, 
this doesn’t seem to be life-threatening. I’m wondering what others 
have done in this situation.

Thanks,

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Re: [Felvtalk] dermatitis, steroids, and FeLV+ cats

2013-11-06 Thread trustinhim13
Yes, it was two tablets a day as I remember. She wasn't on then 
longmaybe two weeks. But it all cleared up beautifully. She had 
allergy issues so bad there were times when she was just raw all over. I 
am pretty sure it was prednisone or other steroid meds. My vet is in 
southern Illinois if that helps.



On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Lance wrote:


Hi Carolyn,

Was the pred given in tablet form? I haven’t had to use any steroids 
on any animal so far.


Thanks,

Lance

On Nov 6, 2013, at 10:47 AM, trustinhi...@charter.net wrote:

Lance, My Bell had the same condition. She was an older cat and not 
FELV+. I tried the steroid shots several times. It would clear up for 
a few weeks after and then back again. I finally found vet who knew 
how to treat her with prednisone -- a fairly strong dose, for over 2 
weeks. It cleared up and never came back. It isn't fleas. Carolyn



On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Lance wrote:


Hi all,

My Ember has had dermatitis for about two months now. A month ago, 
the vet gave her a Convenia shot, and that didn’t seem to change 
things much. I gave her 2mg of chlor trimeton twice a day for five 
days, and that hasn’t changed anything substantially. She has 
lesions on her neck and shoulders, and there also must be some near 
her backside, as she’s licked some hair off her legs, lower tail, 
and stomach.
I should note that I’m 99.9% certain this has nothing to do with 
fleas. Ember has no exposure to other animals or the outside (she’s 
isolated in a set of rooms on the second floor of this house), I 
have seen no fleas on her, and I haven’t had any jump on me. The vet 
found none on her when she went in a month ago.


I spoke to the vet today, and she mentioned that they usually give 
cats with this type of dermatitis a steroid injection, but that she 
worries about doing that to Ember, given her FeLV+ status. The vet 
did say that, rather than an injection, we could try tablets. That 
would at least allow us to control how much exposure Ember gets. 
Right now, this doesn’t seem to be life-threatening. I’m wondering 
what others have done in this situation.

Thanks,

Lance
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Re: [Felvtalk] dermatitis, steroids, and FeLV+ cats

2013-11-06 Thread trustinhim13

where do you get Vetericyn VF in gel form?


On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:13 PM, KG BarnCats wrote:

My FIV+ diabetic foster Boo came to me very skinny with the fur licked 
off

his belly and back legs.  The vet office where he had been office cat
(until his FIV status was discovered) tried steroids, diet changes 
etc.  I
transitioned him to balanced homemade raw food.  The transition in his 
case
amounted to putting a plate in front of him, and his fur quickly back 
in
thick and plush.  He has gained quite a bit weight and looks great 
now,

aside from a chronic weepy eye.

For the dermatitis / lesions, I would personally start with Vetericyn 
VF
(vet strength version) in the hydro gel format since that clings 
better.

It kills fungus, bacteria, viruses etc.  I've had very good luck with
that.  That will help in the interim til you can discover the 
underlying

cause.

KG


On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:


Lance
I had a cat with perseveration licking who removed all the fur under 
her
front leg.  No one ever found a root cause and the only thing the 
vet
could think of was a steroid shot.  That was 23 years ago!  My Martha 
did
not have FeLv that we knew of.  She lived to be nearly 21 years old. 
The
steroids helped but did not cure her problem.  This doesn't directly 
answer
your question, but I offer it in case it helps. Your obvious care for 
Ember

is so touching.  Best of luck.
Bonnie

Sent from my iPhone



On Nov 5, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:


Hi all,

My Ember has had dermatitis for about two months now. A month ago, 
the
vet gave her a Convenia shot, and that didn’t seem to change things 
much. I
gave her 2mg of chlor trimeton twice a day for five days, and that 
hasn’t
changed anything substantially. She has lesions on her neck and 
shoulders,
and there also must be some near her backside, as she’s licked some 
hair

off her legs, lower tail, and stomach.


I should note that I’m 99.9% certain this has nothing to do with 
fleas.
Ember has no exposure to other animals or the outside (she’s isolated 
in a
set of rooms on the second floor of this house), I have seen no fleas 
on
her, and I haven’t had any jump on me. The vet found none on her when 
she

went in a month ago.


I spoke to the vet today, and she mentioned that they usually give 
cats
with this type of dermatitis a steroid injection, but that she 
worries
about doing that to Ember, given her FeLV+ status. The vet did say 
that,
rather than an injection, we could try tablets. That would at least 
allow
us to control how much exposure Ember gets. Right now, this doesn’t 
seem to
be life-threatening. I’m wondering what others have done in this 
situation.


Thanks,

Lance
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Re: [Felvtalk] need home for FELV cat in Ft. Smith, Arkansas

2013-11-09 Thread trustinhim13

Praying someone takes this little one. FELV+ is not a death sentence.



On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Lance wrote:

I’m in Fort Smith, but I can’t take anyone in right now. I’ll do some 
checking with my limited contacts and see if I come up with an option. 
If the woman would like to talk to an FeLV+ owner, I’d be happy to 
email or call.
On Nov 9, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net 
wrote:


A friend's mother has taken in an FELV cat in Ft Smith, Arkansas. 
They found out when she was on the table being spayed.  Her daughter 
talked her out of euthanizing the kitty.


I told her I'd help look for a home for this kitty.  Lance, are you 
still in that area?  I know there used to be a Missouri rescue, also, 
that took FELV cats, too.


Thanks for any suggestions!

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Re: [Felvtalk] research on feline interferon alpha

2013-11-11 Thread trustinhim13
I took Pookie to the one of four vets in Wisconsin who has done LTCI 
injections, but Pookie was sick, running a temp, and not eating when he 
was seen. So he wasn't a candidate for the injection. Do the FELV+ 
kitties need to be symptom free before they administer this? Also is 
this the same with the interferon shots? And does anyone know who 
administers interferon in Wisconsin? My inclination is if it isn't 
broken don't fix it...If Pookie is doing well, I don't want to mess with 
him. And he is doing great now since he had acupuncture. Seems so hit or 
miss with all this??



On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Jennifer Lewis wrote:

Has anyone tried any other the other meds out there, like Lymphocyte 
T-Cell Immunomodulator (LTCI)?


Jennifer L, Munchkin and Brynn



On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:54 PM, MaryChristine wrote:


http://goo.gl/uT6Evb

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Re: [Felvtalk] research on feline interferon alpha

2013-11-12 Thread trustinhim13
Shelley, I have mentioned this before but I give my Pookie Wei Qi 
recommended by my holistic vet for immune support. I give him (and the 
other cats) one tea (tiny) pill a day for immune health. It is resonable 
in cost and there are 200 pills in the bottle, so it lasts a lot. It is 
an Eastern herb. Just a thought if you want to get some from a holistic 
vet.



On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 7:04 AM, Shelley Theye wrote:


Lance,
Thanks so much for explaining the difference between the 2 
interferons.  I did not realize that there were 2 types.  I had asked 
Leo's new vet about using it as a preventative, and  since she could 
easily get interferon, now I know that it was  the human one.  Anyway, 
he is not symptomatic right now, so the only thing I give him 
occasionally is Lysine.  Shelley

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On Nov 11, 2013, at 8:50 PM, Lance wrote:

I think the de Mari feline recombinant interferon omega study was 
done with symptomatic FeLV+ cats. I think. If I already had 
interferon omega and Ember was symptomatic, I would definitely try 
it. I know very little about what is suggested with LTCI (symptomatic 
vs. asymptomatic for treatment). Their website should mention this.


To clarify, there are two types of interferon given for FeLV+ cats: 
1) interferon alpha (a product for humans that has anecdotally shown 
promise, but studies have failed to verify this) and 2) feline 
recombinant interferon omega (anecdotal evidence AND studies have 
shown promise).


It’s easy to get #1 from pretty much any vet. They can write a 
prescription and have it filled by Roadrunner or another pharmacy 
that does drugs/compounding for pets. It’s also cheap. I think it’s 
~$40 for a month and a half supply using the 5 days on/5 days off 
protocol.


It’s somewhat difficult and expensive to get #2.Your vet has to go 
through an FDA program that used to be called Compassionate Use. This 
allows your vet clearance to import feline recombinant interferon 
omega, which they need, as it’s not sold in the US. There’s paperwork 
involved, though I don’t think it’s horrible. A dedicated, 
compassionate vet will do this for you. You then have to pay (through 
your vet) Abbeyvet In England for the drug and the overnight 
shipping—overnight from England. When I last priced this, it was 
~$1300 for the drug and the shipping. I believe this is for something 
like 15 doses, but that’s all you give in a year, according to the 
established protocol. At least with feline recombinant interferon 
omega, you know you have something that has been proven to work, 
unlike other drugs I could mention. Will it produce results for a 
particular FeLV+ cat? Maybe?
If Pookie is doing well, then I agree: don’t rock the boat. You might 
still look into what it would take to get feline recombinant 
interferon omega imported. Your vet might never have heard of it, and 
it might be useful to ask them to look into it. If you decide to do 
it down the road, you have that much less work to do to get it here.


On Nov 11, 2013, at 6:48 PM, trustinhi...@charter.net wrote:

I took Pookie to the one of four vets in Wisconsin who has done LTCI 
injections, but Pookie was sick, running a temp, and not eating when 
he was seen. So he wasn't a candidate for the injection. Do the 
FELV+ kitties need to be symptom free before they administer this? 
Also is this the same with the interferon shots? And does anyone 
know who administers interferon in Wisconsin? My inclination is if 
it isn't broken don't fix it...If Pookie is doing well, I don't want 
to mess with him. And he is doing great now since he had 
acupuncture. Seems so hit or miss with all this??



On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Jennifer Lewis wrote:

Has anyone tried any other the other meds out there, like 
Lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator (LTCI)?


Jennifer L, Munchkin and Brynn



On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:54 PM, MaryChristine wrote:


http://goo.gl/uT6Evb

not new to most of us, but always good to see things get the 
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do, more research is needed.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Topical Flea Control

2013-11-27 Thread trustinhim13
You don't have to put the full dose on the kitty to get some results. I 
also use program on some of my cats that I cannot put a topical on. 
Foster and Smith carries Program and you can order it online. I go to 
their outlet store in Rhinelander, WI and get it for a reduced price 
when some packages are damaged. I wouldn't do advantage multi...very 
strong. But I have used Revolution and Frontline in the past with good 
results. I also vacuum with regular table salt and/or baking soda on the 
carpets...kills the luittle buggers cause their eggs dry up. Just apply 
a little salt/baking soda, wait 30 minutes and vacuum. Carolyn



On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Tracey Shrout wrote:

I use program suspension, and have used it for many years with 
excellent
results. They do not make it here in the US anymore, it comes from the 
UK,
and I get it from amazon.  It is one of the least toxic flea 
treatments
available, and that's why I use it.  It's a creamy substance that you 
mix
in their food.  I have 6 cats, and they eat it willingly...no 
problems.
I've heard they shut down the plant here in the US because of 
cleanliness.

I would never put a topical on a felv+ cat.  Be sure to change bedding
daily or at least every other day and vacuum like crazy.  You could 
also
look into the food grade diatomaceous earth...it takes some time and 
effort

to work though.  Good luck...Tracey


On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Michelle B teals...@hotmail.com 
wrote:


I am having a crazy hard time keeping fleas off of my FeLV foster. I 
do
flea comb at least once a day and keep everything very clean but they 
won't
go away. I hate the thought of putting a topical on her because her 
nodes
are huge and her immune sytem is already compromised but I know these 
fleas
are no good either. I have no idea how they can still be on her 
because I

have been so aggressive.

Has anyone researched topicals for + cats? Like are there any that 
are
'safer' than others? I was thinking of trying Revolution on 
herthat way
it it will keep away fleas, ticks, earmites, etc. Thoughts? She is 7 
months

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Re: [Felvtalk] Said goodbye to Terence (and also got a bite!)

2013-12-16 Thread trustinhim13

so very sorry about baby terrence.



On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Katherine K. wrote:


We said good bye to one of our 8 month old FeLV kittens, Terence,
yesterday. He had been declining for a couple of weeks and was very 
thin,
and definitely not as active has his 3 siblings still are. We tried 
making

him eat wet food but it just wasn't working and the last day or two we
didn't hear any purring. So we felt it was time for him to be in a 
better

place.

As the vet was giving him the first injection to anesthetize him he
squirmed around and bit me on the first knuckle and cuticle area of my
finger. I've been scratched millions of times by cats  and know how to
clean scratches, but had never actually been bitten. I had been 
following
this thread all weekend so I let it bleed out, then cleaned it up 
after we
got home with him. Overnight my finger swelled up and looks infected, 
and I

have a strange pain in my armpit (same arm) that I'm wondering if it's
related.

I took a couple of Cephalexin doses but I'm going to the doc this 
morning

since it's still pretty painful and swollen.

We've had Terence and his siblings since they were 2 weeks old back in
April. Yesterday was a bittersweet day but I'm relieved knowing he's 
no

longer languishing. I'm also grateful for this listserv.

Katherine


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Re: [Felvtalk] Uneven pupils

2013-12-21 Thread trustinhim13
I gave my Pookie Clin Drops (short for clin...something). Very 
economical. Works well for infections that are in the mouth or tissues. 
Very economical. I also took him for acupuncture. Carolyn



On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 12:29 AM, Jennifer Lewis wrote:


Hi all,

Off topic or a new one.
My poor Bryyn is having an awful time. Does anyone have experience 
with severe mouth pain? I've been told by vets that she's too young 
for stomatitis, but she's having a horrific time.
My vet prescribed prednisone, but not only does it not seem to help, 
we're leery of it for the long term and honestly can't afford it.


It seemed to be mostly jaw/lymph related as she would freak when 
yawning, but it's getting worse and I'm beside myself. She also has 
awful breath which makes me think as well it may be stomatitis.


Please help!
Jen


On Dec 20, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Lorrie wrote:


One of my cats has uneven pupils, but he is not FelV positive.
He was hit on the head by some low life bastard before I rescued him.

Lorrie

On 12-20, gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:
  The only ones I've had with uneven pupils are Felv cats, and then 
only

  a couple.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Uneven pupils

2013-12-22 Thread trustinhim13
I have given it to several of my cats from time to time (Clindanycin). I 
didn't know it was bad tasting. My cats tolerated it very well. And with 
mouth sores, I administer it on the side of the mouth with the sore. 
When cats have mouth sores, a liquid works better than pills. It hurts 
less to swallow. I give them liquid vitamins, plus a solution of 
pedialyte and liquid fish oil at the same time.



On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Margo wrote:

Clindrops is likely Clindamycin. It has several trade names, including 
Antirobe. Also comes in little tiny pills. The liquid tastes foul, but 
is better cold, s refrigerate it. Try to follow it with something 
tasty. It is good for mouth issues, as well as abcesses, and some 
types of pneumonia. One I try to keep on hand.



HTH

Margo


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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uneven pupils

I gave my Pookie Clin Drops (short for clin...something). Very 
economical. Works well for infections that are in the mouth or 
tissues. Very economical. I also took him for acupuncture. Carolyn



On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 12:29 AM, Jennifer Lewis wrote:


Hi all,

Off topic or a new one.
My poor Bryyn is having an awful time. Does anyone have experience 
with severe mouth pain? I've been told by vets that she's too young 
for stomatitis, but she's having a horrific time.
My vet prescribed prednisone, but not only does it not seem to help, 
we're leery of it for the long term and honestly can't afford it.


It seemed to be mostly jaw/lymph related as she would freak when 
yawning, but it's getting worse and I'm beside myself. She also has 
awful breath which makes me think as well it may be stomatitis.


Please help!
Jen


On Dec 20, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Lorrie wrote:


One of my cats has uneven pupils, but he is not FelV positive.
He was hit on the head by some low life bastard before I rescued 
him.


Lorrie

On 12-20, gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:
  The only ones I've had with uneven pupils are Felv cats, and 
then only

  a couple.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Uneven pupils

2013-12-22 Thread trustinhim13

praying fro Schmoo


On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Katherine K. wrote:

We tapped Shmoo's lungs last night for fluid. Drew out about 90ml 
total. He
had a rough night coming off the anesthesia but was better this 
morning.
Still a little labored in breathing but not as bad as before the tap 
and I

was so glad to see him purring and stretching happily. But he mostly
relaxed/laid around today, unlike his 2 active siblings. Vet said the 
fluid
will likely refill in a few days so we just spend as much time with 
him as
we can while we wait. I'm unable to search the archives right now but 
isn't
there anything else I can do to make the fluid stop? Didn't expect to 
lose

another one so soon after Terence. He's so innocent.

Katherine

On Friday, December 20, 2013, Lance wrote:

Anisocoria can be an indicator of FeLV presence, though I don’t think 
it
indicates progression of the disease in any way that we know about. 
Ember
developed anisocoria almost five years ago, when she was seven. I 
haven’t
taken her to a specialist, but we ruled out toxo. At times, the vet 
has
thought that the pupil has gotten a bit smaller, but I’ve never seen 
a real

change.

Lance

On Dec 20, 2013, at 9:44 AM, Katherine K. 
kaths...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 
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wrote:

Hi everyone,

I just noticed my 10 year old FeLV cat, Krammer, has uneven pupils. 
He had
a winky/weepy eye a couple of weeks ago for a few days, where he had 
some
drainage and one eye was squinty with a smaller pupil. It cleared up 
on
it's own after a few days (I give him lysine). A day or two ago it 
came
back, this time the other eye (if I recall correctly). The affected 
eye is
squinty, third eyelid shows a little, and one pupil is small while 
the
other pupil looks normal.  I'm not sure if this is just a herpes 
flare up,
or something else. He first tested positive about 6 months ago. I 
found the

term anisocoria while searching this list archives. Gonna research a
little more.

Second question:
One of my 8 month old FeLV kittens, Shmoo, began having what I would 
call
labored or heavy breathing 2 days ago. I can see his sides and nose 
moving

as he breathes. He is a little less active, and last night he
coughed/wheezed a little and his paw pads, usually pink (he's a white 
cat),
looked slightly purple, like he's not getting enough oxygen. He 
looked pink
again this morning. Gonna take him in, but wanted to mention it here 
too in

case anyone has input.

Thanks,
Katherine
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

2013-12-22 Thread trustinhim13
Pookie had his mouth sore on the side down next to his tongue. The vet 
saw it. I didn't. They won't let you look becasue it hurts for them to 
open the



On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Jill Eisenbraun wrote:

Hi Jen, stomatitis isn't limited to older cats at all! It can have 
many causes, but cause can be hard to pin down. It's an immune problem 
and also is more common in FIV+ cats. However, other cats can and do 
get it. Some vets feel that it may be caused by calici virus.I have 
one who had severe stomatitis and did end up having a full mouth 
extraction done by a veterinary dental specialist. Very expensive, 
over $4,000 and believe me I am going to be paying for that for a very 
long time! The bad smelling breath is one sign. It's really bad, too! 
Try looking in the mouth, if it is stomatitis you will see really 
angry red inflammation, sometimes it's worse in the throat area.
Also wanted to add my two cents on the small pupil thing. Sounds a lot 
like Horners Syndrome, which is usually linked to an ear problem. The 
very same cat of mine that had the stomatits also had Horners last 
summer. It really isn't harmful and usually clears on its own in a few 
weeks. I treated Stacy's ear infection with OTC medicine and it went 
away.


Jill and kitties

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Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear

2013-12-28 Thread trustinhim13


Praying for your babies health.

On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 6:15 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:

 Turns out it does not look like FIP, looks like hemolytic anemia, 
where he is killing off his own red blood cells, and the vet simply did 
not keep him on a high enough dose of immune-suppressants so he crashed 
again. Now he is really bad. I don't know what his chances are at this 
point, but I do not think they are good, though the vets say he can turn 
around. He just got a transfusion and they are starting him on 
cyclosporine, a stronger immune suppressant. And doxycycline.


Please send him prayers. He is FIV+, not FeLV+, though he has had as 
many issues as my FeLV cats did. I got back on this list looking for 
feline interferon, which I don't need, but one thing I know this list is 
good for is prayers. Please pray it's a good Christmas for Bear and he 
responds well to the transfusion and the cyclosporine.


thank you,
Michelle

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Re: [Felvtalk] Vitamins Recommendation

2014-01-24 Thread trustinhim13
I give my cats Pet-Tinic, Wei Qi Booster, and Standard Process Feline 
Support.



On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Lance wrote:

Check http://onlynaturalpet.com. They should have a lot to choose 
from. Thorne Research seem to be a good brand (I’m taking one of their 
multivitamins), and they make pet vitamins as well.


I’ve never given Ember vitamins. She’s only gotten DMG, interferon, 
and Transfer Factor, and the only one of those we’ve been consistent 
with is interferon.

How are your cats doing, Kasia?

Lance

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Hello Group,

I was wondering if anyone could recommend good vitamins for felv+ 
cats?

Thank you so much,
Kasia
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Re: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia

2014-02-26 Thread trustinhim13


I don't know if it helps, but my FeLV+ kitty gets anemic from time to 
time and I ahve had wonderful results with Pet-Tinic. It is a liquid 
vitamin with iron. The vets all used to carry it, but I got my last 
bottle for Amazon and it is cheap. Carolyn


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 5:52 AM, Margo wrote:

 Hi Susan,
I haven't dealt with anemia in FeLV+ cats, but have 
with other causes. That's the problem, there are so many possible 
reasons for the anemia. Without knowing what's actually causing it, it's 
tough to treat. sensibly. I'd always include B vitamins and an iron 
source. You don't give the actual HCT, so this may not apply;
From http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm 
http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm 
http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm
Unfortunately t he reticulocyte test (which at most laboratories only 
measures aggregate reticulocytes) is unlikely to be reliable unless the 
anaemia is relatively severe . A naemia needs to be prett y bad before a 
brisk regenerative response is considered necessary by the cat's body , 
so there is little point test ing for reticulocytes unless the PCV has 
been below 20% for five days or longer. In addition, most vets cannot 
test reticulocytes in house, so the test has to be sent out to a lab, 
which takes more time.  http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm

   http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm
Because of this, some vets simply assume that a CKD cat with anaemia is 
suffering from non-regenerative anaemia caused by a lack of 
erythropoietin production and treat accordingly. For cats with milder 
anaemia (PCV above 20%), they may recommend B vitamins. For cats with 
PCV below 20%, it is trickier. In these cases, the anaemia is a more 
urgent problem and you need to act quickly , especially if your cat 
seems poorly, so your vet may recommend the use of Erythropoiesis 
Stimulating Agents (ESAs) http://www.felinecrf.org/esas.htm (Epogen, 
Aranesp etc . ), which are used for non-regenerative anaemia caused by a 
lack of erythropoietin production. I n view of the possible risks 
associated with this treatment, you might wish to wait five days and 
have the reticulocyte test done to be sure you really are dealing with 
non-regenerative anaemia ; but on the other hand, ESAs take up to two 
weeks to start taking effect, so waiting may be risky because your cat 
will not be feeling well and the anaemia may worsen while you wait.


 If possible, I'd ask what other causes the Vet thinks 
possible, and rule them out. If it's FeLV related, I don't think basic 
treatment would be any different, but it might help to rules some 
options out or in.


Sorry I can't be more help, I'll keep looking.

Margo



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Subject: [Felvtalk] newly diagnosed woth non-regenerative anemia


Hello, folks...I haven't had any Felv kitties in a while but now have a 
positive
who is close to a year old. She was just pulled from a local 
shelter...she had
begun eating litter and wasn't going to get any vet care. She had been 
tested
when she came to the shelter a few months ago and they knew she was 
positive but

no followup care or testing was done.

We immediately took her to our vet for bloodwork...she is anemic but not 
bad
enough yet for a transfusion, and the anemia is definitely 
non-regenerative.


We think that she was probably born positive...the group of cats she 
came in
with...30 or so...had a number of positive adults, none altered. So her 
life

will likely be quite short, and already being anemic doesn't bode well.

SO...those of you who have dealt with a kitty in this situation...what 
do you
recommend to give her the best chance at the most quality time? I have 
always

found that info from this list was better than from vets who deal only
marginally with Felv.

Thank you!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Too little appetite

2014-03-01 Thread trustinhim13

she might ahve a sore in her mouth.


On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Maryam Ulomi wrote:


Hello everyone,

Kitty, our little 19 months old FeLV positive cat, has for the past 
three days been eating less than usual. I have tried all sort of new 
canned foods but she eats a little bit and then walks away. She will 
eat maybe 1/3 of what she would normally eat in one meal then walk 
away sometimes she comes back to it but mostly she will want something 
else. If I give it to her in a new bowl she might it or not.
She has not stopped eating all together but I'm concerned that she is 
not eating as much as previously. She plays, poops and pees, does not 
hide, is otherwise her usual adorable self.

Has anyone seen these signs before?
I don't know if i should take her to the vet or wait.


Thanks,
Malls and Kitty.



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