Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-29 Thread Ben Williams
You might also consider, Charles, that most of us on this list have gone 
through the very painful experience of having lost a beloved cat to FeLV or FiV 
or both.  Personally, when my Dexter was suffering from the effects of this 
disease, I joined this list to find out different ways to help him and the 
people here were compassionate and kind.  Keeping him in a cage was never a 
consideration and I would have spent any amount of money possible to ease his 
pain and to help him feel better.

So, when you come here talking about your caged cats and your lost $300, you 
come off as a profiteer and someone completely clueless about cats in general.  
I've owned a purebred cat before - many years ago.  I would never have even 
considered a purebred raised in an environment such as the one you describe.  
Kittens need to be raised under foot; socialized with people and from cat 
parents who are treated with nothing but love as members of a family.  I'm not 
just making this up - go online and read a few webpages - successful breeders 
do this.  Successful breeders never make much money, either.  They are 
successful because their kittens are well socialized and integrate well into 
new households. Breeders who operate for quick financial gain with no regard to 
temperament never last long. 

So, let me be blunt:  if you are for real and you are treating your cats this 
way, you should be ashamed of yourself.  By the way, there are new puppy mill 
laws in Texas that apply to cat breeders - cage raising is prohibited by this 
law.  Also, keeping your FeLV girl outdoors?  Huge mistake.  She needs to be 
sequestered indoors where she can't spread the virus.  If money is all you care 
about, then I'll pay you the $300 you lost as well as $500 for your stud, if 
you surrender both of them to the kind lady from this who offered to take them 
in.  I'll do this if you promise to stay out of the breeding business.  Sadly, 
I doubt you'll take me up on this, but this is a real offer.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 29, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Charles Adams texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hello Lorrie,
 
  I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this 
 beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is 
 left open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment 
 about people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that 
 for you. They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with 
 their heads up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than 
 lots of children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know 
 who some of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message 
 from God informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on 
 this planet.
 
 Charles Adams
 
 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
 
 On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote:
 
  I have to believe that the message from  Charles was someone's
  idea of a joke.  That email hit just about every red flag for the
  kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone.
 
 It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is
 exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this 
 post thru rose colored glasses.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-28 Thread Ben Williams
I have to believe that the message from  Charles was someone's idea of a 
joke.  That email hit just about every red flag for the kind of behavior that 
no one on this list would condone.  

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On May 28, 2012, at 7:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 If Charles is no longer on the list, there's always a way of contacting him 
 directly.
 I did suggest breed rescue.
 
 
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 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 7:59 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
 
 I'm not about to apologize for having opinions  voicing them. You breed 
 animals you are going to get a lecture from me.
 
 Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Beth,
 
 Not from me they won't.  Hope you emailed him and made that offer as I
 expect he left the list after being attacked like that?   Too bad, this
 list didn't used to be so judgmental.  Not sure what has happened over 
 the years.  You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Perhaps 
 he could have been educated, perhaps not, but going for the jugular 
 immediately is going to put anyone on the defensive.
 
 On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 He needs to contact Bengal Rescue and see if they will take the cat.
 
  *From:* Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2012 5:35 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
 
 I offered to take the cat, but anyone who mentions breeding is going 
 to get a lecture. No apologies.
 
 
 Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man 
 for breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal.  I 
 doubt he's on this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure 
 how this is helping
 the
 cat, and isn't she what is important here?  Couldn't someone have 
 steered him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead 
 of attacking him?
 
 On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 wrote:
 
 I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed 
 cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there!
 My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a 
 cage just so his owner can make money from him.  I hope he is 
 neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As 
 for the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be 
 adopted by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and 
 won't give a damn about making money from her!!
 
 Lorrie
 
 
 On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote:
   This  is  for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning 
 to
 learn
   by  your  mistake  that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs,
 birds or
   any  other species can be more costly than it's worth.  You 
 state
 that
   you  don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that 
 the
 Bengal
   you  have is just a potential source of money and that's what  
 you
 had
   in  mind  in  the  first place.  Your poor cat is definitely 
 not
 happy
   without  being  able to breed.  He won't be happy ever 
 because he
 will
   have  to  be  caged and bred many times in his life before he 
 is
 of no
   more  use  in breeding.  Right now, if you are really ethical 
 and
 want
   to  do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and 
 sell
 him
   as  a  pet  quality  Bengal.  Papers or not, he's a living 
 being
 with
   feelings  just  like  you  and  I have.  As for the little 
 female,
 she
   needs  to  be  retested.  She  also needs to be spayed.  If 
 she
 still
   tests  positive  for  FeLv,  you  need to find a rescue that 
 will
 take
   her.  Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an 
 only
 cat
   or companion to a small dog.  You can charge an adoption fee.
   I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers.  I 
 assume
 that
   you  buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in.
 Please
   stay  out  of  the  animal  breeding business from now on and
 stick to
   gold,  silver  and  any  other  inanimate  objects  that  
 people
 will
   purchase.  Good luck to you and the cats.
 
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[Felvtalk] Felv immune glowing kittens

2011-09-18 Thread Ben Williams
Very interesting stuff:

http://m.npr.org/story/140550044?url=/2011/09/16/140550044/glowing-cats-against-aidssc=tw

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Re: [Felvtalk] where to purchase LTCI

2011-08-30 Thread Ben Williams
Definitely try to get some LTCI.  We put dexter on it for the last few weeks of 
his life and I feel that if we had started sooner, he might have lived a bit 
longer.  LTCI is only available from the manufacturer: www.tcyte.com - if your 
vet will order it, they will overnight the medication to the vet.  I was paying 
roughly $60 per dose at 1 dose every three days. It is possible to be more 
aggressive with the treatment and administer it daily. The other up-side to 
this medication is that it is administered via sub-cutaneous injection - 
immunoregulin, on the the other hand, is via IV injection.  The IV injection 
will stress the kitty out about 1000 times more than a sub-q injection. 
Immunoregulin also made Dexter spike a fever after each dose - something he 
didn't need and quickly wore him out.  Tcyte can also slow the inevitable 
appearance of dreaded lymphatic cancer.  Many benefits with this stuff.  Please 
call the tcyte folks tomorrow - they are very helpful and will give you all the 
info you need.

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On Aug 30, 2011, at 10:43 PM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone
 I really need some help.
 fletch is really not feeling well. His fever is back and he hides in the 
 basement. Two times now he has missed doses of his antibiotic because i 
 cannot find him anywhere. It seems like I can feel more of his backbone and 
 his hipbones even though he continues to eat, but not as well. I don't know 
 what to think. I feel so bad for him, he seems miserable.He acts like the 
 base of his ear hurts when I touch him but the vet said he had never seen 
 such clean ears. I think I need a different antibiotic, this amoxi isn't 
 working, or doees it take longer to work? There seemed to be a teensy bit of 
 improvement, but now I feel like he looks as bad as the day I took him to the 
 vet. What about this LTCI. Is this something I should discuss with my vet? Is 
 it better than immunoregulin. I just feel like my poor little cat is wasting 
 away here fast and there's something else I can be doing for him What do I 
 do
 Natalie, are you and all of your babies OK?
  
 Thanks so much
 Marcia
 
 On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 3:42 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com 
 wrote:
 Where do you guys get LTCI?
 the distributor that my vet uses now only carry 3 vials set - they used to 
 have 10 vials as it is much chepaer that way- could you tell me where is the 
 best place to get LTCI?
  
 hideyo
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+

2011-07-10 Thread Ben Williams
Unfortunately, acemannan is currently off the market. Carrington labs, the 
manufacturer, went out of business last year after struggling through 
bankruptcy for nearly a decade.  So, unless you can find a vet with a 
stockpile, it's all gone. It's a great drug, with applications for humans as 
well as kitties - I hope someone buys their patent soon.

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On Jul 10, 2011, at 9:16 AM, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote:

 Immunregulin or acemannan (if they still make it not sure).

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue Kitten FeLV+

2011-07-08 Thread Ben Williams
Are you able to vaccinate your other kitty and keep the new girl separated for 
a month or so? If so, I can't think of any reason why you shouldn't keep her.  
Just because she's potentially FeLV positive doesn't mean she isn't a wonderful 
kitty who deserves a chance at happiness just as much as a cat who tests 
negative.  Your heart seems to have already led you in this direction and 
following your heart will serve you well.

Best,

Ben

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On Jul 8, 2011, at 5:06 AM, Jenny Orvis mi...@cableone.net wrote:

 I just rescued a kitten two days ago, Cali. She was bullied by a dog so was
 looking a little rough. She's 8 weeks old. Broke my heart when I found her
 in the state she was in and I couldn't leave her. On the drive home she
 stayed in my arms clinging close. We stopped and got her a can of food and
 nearly snarfed the thing down in one setting! She's a very happy kitten,
 little skiddish, but happy.
 I took her to the vet yesterday. She has a sore on her tongue and a bit of a
 runny nose and small fever, and otherwise heart and lungs sound good. But,
 she tested positive for FeLV with the SNAP test. My heart just dropped. I
 have an 8 month old kitten also, Joey, who tested negative when we got him,
 and am worried about his health. He's up-to-date on all of his shots, and
 the vet is not concerned about it spreading to him too much other than
 biting.
 
 I've only had Cali for 48 hours and I'm already attached. I want to keep
 her, but am a bit worried about FeLV and Joey. I know I won't introduce the
 two until she's over her sniffles. She's in the spare bedroom all set up,
 and Joey is quite interested thankfully! Was afraid it'd be World War 3.
 
 I know I've read somewhere about a kitten being so young and testing
 positive, but actually not having it so I'm hoping that's what it is. She
 goes back in two weeks. I've just been worrying if I'm crazy for wanting to
 keep a possible FeLV+ kitten while my other baby is not positive. Any
 advice?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-07 Thread Ben Williams
We get interferon through vetcentric.com.  It's cheap - about $15 for a bottle, 
but the cold pack overnight shipping brings it up to about $60.  I've got two 
bottles if anyone needs any...

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On Jul 7, 2011, at 8:19 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Any local pharmacy.  Until last year, one could buy it even more cheaply at
 places like Costco or Sam's Club pharmacies in Mexico - but I have a feeling
 that US big pharma had something to do with the law that one cannot purchase
 antibiotics without a prescription anymore probably because they found that
 too many US visitors were getting it cheaply there. Locals can still get it
 without prescription because a pharmacist is like a doctor to them.  So, we
 just go to a small pharmacy and ask for it.  A bottle of the powder that
 makes 5 small ones that we get at the vet, used to cost about $10, but at
 local little places it could be as much as $15 (still a bargain!). Did you
 know that veterinarians can often get it for as little as $1.50?  There's a
 huge markup on the drugs they sell to their customers.  One of our vets
 charges us (with a discount) as much as $30 (my vet $18), so I can imagine
 the huge range of prices all over the country - I guess they do what the
 market and geographical area according to cost of living can bear!
 How does your vet get human interferon?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:11 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Cc: katofohio
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
 
 Where please and how do you purchase Amoxicillin in Mexico?  I buy the
 powder from my vet at her cost which is outrageous so if I could get
 it from Mexico it would be a God send to the small rescue I am
 co-founder of and maybe to her too.
 And for my two FeLV+ kitties I have a vet that provides human
 interferon but if ANYONE finds a way to purchase Virbagen Interferon
 Omega for us here in America to use, PLEASE share the info and help
 save our furrbabies lives...
 Thanks
 Kat
 A 2nd Chance of Hillsboro, Ohio
 katofo...@gmail.com
 
 On 7/6/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 Do you know if the Interferon is available in Canada or Mexico?
 The FDA is a real joke. My husband retired from Pfizer International
 Marketing, and I've heard my share of things.those who have worked at
 big pharmas end up working at the FDA, and often the reverse is true to -
 very handy for them!
 All the antibiotics like Amoxicillin and Clavamox are pediatric oral
 suspension formulas, merely packaged for veterinary us - that's why they
 are
 ridiculously flavored with strawberry or pineapple type yuck that cats'
 certainly don't like, but are made to tolerate.I purchase those for a
 fraction of a cost in Mexico - vets charge us a fortune for the same
 thing,
 even though we get 50% discount.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:43 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
 
 http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/
 
 You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and
 the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of
 availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States.  Why in
 the
 world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars
 worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug
 that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade
 everywhere
 else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies.
 Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and
 simple.
 However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse
 potential
 in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA
 and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package
 from
 Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to
 import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration
 and spoil.  This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the
 honor.
 
 
 So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people
 and
 senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for
 Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US.  Heck, it's practically a
 cure for FiP as well!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-06 Thread Ben Williams
I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind
words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have shared
and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we
received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's
Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of the
night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, we
immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr. Wright has
been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back
yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to see him on
three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we took Dex in
on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given no
advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his
shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people and I don't
blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where
he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients
informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or days
aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several weeks ago,
when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took
him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by
the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East Dallas Animal
Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr.
Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking
calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to work with
and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's treatment.
I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them
yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be
returning.  Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in for
his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set
in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable.  A week
passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate
treatments and off-label meds.  When you factor in that week and the week he
took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks where
Dex had little treatment.  Again, why the difficulty in getting anything
done for Dex?  East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spoke
with him and started him on Acemannan injections.  They had two remaining
doses remaining of that drug; a drug that was very beneficial to Dex last
year when he was first diagnosed.  they sacrificed those 2 doses for Dex
without question - had I gone to them earlier, perhaps it would have had
more effect on him. Regardless, Dex seemed to make improvements while on
Immunoregulin, LCTI and the acemannan.  FeLV and FIV are horrible diseases,
though, and I felt like there was something always sneaking up on Dex while
we treated him.  We seemed to reverse the anemia, but his Lymph nodes were
swelling.  Some days they would go down, other days, they would blow up.
When the mystery feet and face swelling started last week, he even responded
well with benadryl.  That thing sneaking up on Dexter?  Full blown cancer -
it wasn't just in his lymph nodes, it was in his liver and spleen - it had
probably made his heart swell.  His breathing was becoming more and more
labored and we struggled with the decision of when Dexter was in too much
pain to continue.  Yesterday, Dr. Cantrell started chemotherapy on Dex, as
well as steroids.  He seemed to tolerate the meds well, but over the course
of the night, he became more jaundiced and vomited, while his body
temperature dropped to 94 degrees.  His little body had given out as this
terrible disease had taken almost everything from him.  I say almost
everything, because when we arrived at East Dallas Animal Clinic this
morning, even though he was being hand fed oxygen while under a warming pad,
little Dexter still had a playful wag of the tail when we placed our hands
on him and told him how much we love him.  Dexter died at 8 this morning.
We are heartbroken that our sweet boy is gone and that he was only with us
for a year and a half.  He was such a wonderful, sweet and special kitty -
we will miss him terribly.  He was a huge part of our family - not some
pet or animal.  We have four other wonderful kitties at home who are not
FelV or FIV positive.  They have been wonderful as our attention has been so
focused on Dex for the last month and we owe them some serious one on one
time right now.  While all of the kitties get along well, Dex was the one
cat in the house that all the other cats adored.  He was never involved in
spats with any of them and they 

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-06 Thread Ben Williams
Thanks so much, everyone.  It's been a really hard day for us and I'm
haunted by seeing Dexter this morning struggling so hard to live.  You've
all been so wonderful and your kind comments have really helped today - if
anything, we are realizing even more now just how much we love that little
boy.  He was so special to us.

  If I may, I have a question regarding Euthanasia for those of you who have
been through this before - for those of you who are squeamish, please just
skip this one:

Dexter passed peacefully when Dr. Cantrell administered the euthanasia this
morning.  He let out a small sigh when the initial sedative was injected and
silently slipped away when the final injection was made.  A few minutes
later, as we were still petting him, a fair amount of yellow, clear liquid
came out of his mouth and nose.  I assume this was fluid that had started to
collect in his lungs, perhaps part of the jaundice from his liver?  I don't
know - I just can't stand the idea that he was in severe pain for a while
there and that, perhaps, we put him through it.  He had a chest X-ray on
sunday night and no fluid was visible.  Or, maybe it was missed.  Sorry for
the awkward question.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote:

 My heart is breaking after reading your story!  I'm truly sorry Dexter is
 gone, but he will live within your heart now.

 You did so much for him and he fought the battle as much as he could.

 My thoughts are with you at this difficult time.

 Lynda
 - Original Message - From: Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 9:46 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter


  I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind
 words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have
 shared
 and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
 Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we
 received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's
 Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of
 the
 night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning,
 we
 immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr. Wright has
 been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back
 yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to see him
 on
 three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
 injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we took Dex in
 on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given
 no
 advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his
 shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people and I
 don't
 blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where
 he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients
 informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or
 days
 aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several weeks ago,
 when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took
 him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by
 the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East Dallas Animal
 Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr.
 Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking
 calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to work
 with
 and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's
 treatment.
 I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them
 yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be
 returning.  Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in
 for
 his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set
 in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable.  A week
 passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate
 treatments and off-label meds.  When you factor in that week and the week
 he
 took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks where
 Dex had little treatment.  Again, why the difficulty in getting anything
 done for Dex?  East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spoke
 with him and started him on Acemannan injections.  They had two remaining
 doses remaining of that drug; a drug that was very beneficial to Dex last
 year when he was first diagnosed.  they sacrificed those 2 doses for Dex
 without question - had I gone to them earlier, perhaps it would have had
 more effect on him. Regardless, Dex seemed to make improvements while on
 Immunoregulin, LCTI and the acemannan.  FeLV and FIV are horrible
 diseases,
 though, and I felt like there was something always sneaking up on Dex
 while
 we treated him.  We seemed to reverse

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-06 Thread Ben Williams
Doesnt the Wynn Foundation do a lot of good work for cats?

-- My iPhone told me to send this message. --

On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:15 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 I have no idea - maybe we should all do some searches to see what's out
 there and ask a lot of questions! I'd hate to donate to anyone who merely
 uses cats for the sake of research; I'd like to see if there's someplace
 where they actually treat FeLV+ cats while trying for a cure, not mere
 research for research sake and getting their hands on grant money. I should
 ask my veterinarian, he was co-founder of AVAR (Association of Veterinarians
 for Animal Rights, now part of HSUS) whether he is aware of any real and
 constructive research done on FeLV.
 In the 90s, Cleveland Amory was on a show debating a researcher who got
 lucrative grants for animal experiments, and not really contributing to
 anything specific - just useless stuff!  Cleveland asked him about a
 specific case (Please note: it was made up at that moment to see how
 ridiculous and irrelevant some research is!), describing a really grotesque
 scenario of one cat's eye sewn shut, while the other was sewn so it couldn't
 close, electrodes attached to the forehead, tail cut off, feeding tube
 inserted, etc. The researcher started defending every bit of it without a
 blink of an eye.  When he finished, Cleveland boomed Aha, I knew you would
 defend just about anything to get your hands on grant money; I just made the
 whole thing up!
 BTW- Cleveland Amory was my very first adopter of a kitten that I trapped at
 the Greenwich dump in 1992 - Tiger Bear, an pale orange tabby with golden
 eyes (after his beloved white cat Polar Bear died).
 Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:54 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
 
 You are most certainly correct, Natalie! Anyone know of a Feline Leukemia 
 Society to donate to? Is there a group of scientists that are trying  to 
 find a cure or a better treatment plan for this deadly disease? Our poor 
 babies!!
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 2:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
 
 
 It is always so sad to hear about any of our little furries succumbing to
 this horrible disease; I just wish that there were more available to help
 them to feel better or get well.  One would think, that after all these
 years, there would be more hope for them! What is it about this disease 
 that
 makes it so complicated?  So many different symptoms that mimic other
 thingsdoes anyone out there care to find a cure?
 I am so sorry to hear about all of the crossings over the rainbow bridge!
 Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cindy McHugh
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:31 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
 
 Dear Cathy and Mark,
 
 I didn't realize you lost your little Cali. I'm so sorry for your loss, 
 but
 I'm glad that Cali got to know your love and kindess. As I said to Ben, I
 pray you find comfort in knowing she's now happy and healthy. And when you
 consider that you'll have eternity together, this separation is but a 
 speck
 of time. Cali just turned a corner before you did and one day, you'll turn
 that corner and there she'll be. She's not gone...just gone ahead.
 
 You're in my thoughts and prayers,
 Cindy
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: ckess...@cox.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 12:00 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now
 
 
 Ben,
 
 I guess Dexter knew that Cali needed someone to play with from Dallas. 
 We
 
 lost our Cali last Monday and it has been to hard for me to even write
 about it.  You were so helpful to our little Cali and Dr. Wright was
 wonderful in the short time we had to make so many decisions.  We only 
 had
 
 our little girl 5 months and she was tired (but a true fighter in her
 short little life).  She ended up with fluid around her lungs and we
 drained it once and it refilled back up within 24 hours.  She was so 
 tired
 
 but she fought so hard for the five months we had her.  She was the
 cutiest kitten but it was so hard to watch her laboring to breath.
 
 I just want you to know that you and Dexter were a blessing to my husband
 and I (and our little girl, Cali) and I promise, Cali and he are playing
 together now with no pain.  Bless you, Ben, and thank you for all you did
 for Dexter and for my family in our time of crisis and pain.
 
 Cathy and Mark
 
  Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 =
 I'd like to start off

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter and Cali are together now

2011-07-06 Thread Ben Williams
http://www.winnfelinehealth.org/

You know, I've thought a lot about things that could make a difference and
the most important thing that could change right now is the lack of
availability of Virbagen Interferon Omega in the United States.  Why in the
world does it make any sense for the FDA to require millions of dollars
worth of peer reviewed studies to be undertaken for US approval on a drug
that has been effectively saving cat's lives for almost a decade everywhere
else in the world and has been used in hundreds of foreign studies.
Interferon Omega would have probably saved Dexter's life, plain and simple.
However, I can't get a drug for him (that has absolutely no abuse potential
in humans, by the way) unless I go through a 2 month process with the DEA
and FDA that will only result in a guarantee that any overnight package from
Europe that contains the medication that I've been given permission to
import, will be seized and held for months, only to lose its refrigeration
and spoil.  This is, of course, after I've spent about $1200 for the honor.


So, I suggest that we all start calling and writing our congress-people and
senators and demanding an immediate provisional approval be given for
Virbagen Interferon Omega to be sold in the US.  Heck, it's practically a
cure for FiP as well!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-05 Thread Ben Williams
They most certainly can communicate and they do it all the time.  Cats 
naturally don't communicate verbally with each other, so when your cat meows at 
you, he's trying to speak your language, so to speak.  If that's not direct 
communication, I don't know what is...

We have Dex at his vet clinic now... He's calmer and more relaxed. He's 
starting chemo immediately.  

Thanks everyone...

On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:29 AM, Sara Kasteleyn skastel...@cicresearch.com wrote:

 So happy you are all together again!   Oh...those poor unfortunate people who 
 think animals can't communicate!  Best of luck today.  Sara
 
 
 --Original Mail--
 From: Ben Williams drsiebl...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 07:42:25 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
 
 Thanks to everyone for the kind words and encouragement... We spent some time 
 with Dex at the clinic last night and we told ourselves that Dex would tell 
 us what to do; that he'd let us know, somehow, what he wanted. Dex has always 
 been a fighter - he came to us under the hood of a car that had carried him, 
 at only 4 weeks of age, across town, on highways and bumpy roads. He clung to 
 the engine of that car and came out covered in dirt, but full of love. He's 
 been with us since then (only a year and a half) and we have become so close 
 to him. We were told he didn't have a chance last October when his red blood 
 cell counts were at 3 and we discovered he was felv and fiv positive. He 
 bounced back quickly from the blood transfusion and seemed to return to 
 normal quickly. It's been tough for the last three weeks as we've tried 
 immunoregulin, acemannan and lymphocyte t-cell immunomodulator. He's been a 
 trooper through it all and always has a sweet chirp and a purr. So, last 
 night, his wagging tail and happiness at seeing us, combined with the 
 relative calm he experienced when we were with him and the look of hope in 
 his eyes told us we couldn't give up. So, I'm picking him up now and we are 
 taking him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center to hopefully start some other 
 treatment to pull him out of this. He's a beautiful boy and we owe him every 
 chance to live happily. Thanks, everyone. On Jul 5, 2011, at 1:42 AM, Maureen 
 Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:   I think talking with a feline cancer 
 group will be helpful. I couldn't tell you because I don't know a lot about 
 lymphosarcoma. I'm sure the vets are telling you to let him go but you have 
 to make the call and don't do it until you're sure so you won't regret it and 
 wonder later on. I guess it depends on the success rate of doing chemo on 
 lymphosarcoma at this stage. Maybe you should try to consult with a vet 
 oncologist immediately about his chances. If the chemo could give him several 
 more months is it worth it? If the chemo could give him another year is it 
 worth it? Chemo can be rough but I'm in a dog cancer group and usually after 
 a few days of being sick after the chemo treatments the dogs are okay until 
 the next round. I'm not sure how it affects cats though. My dog was diagnosed 
 a couple months ago with bone cancer and chemo wasn't an option but radiation 
 was an option for just a few extra months with him. I asked myself those 
 questions about how long would it give him and would the pain he would endure 
 be worth it. It's different for me because my dog is old so I had to take 
 that into consideration. Seems like I read in one of the e-mails that Dexter 
 isn't that old. Anyway, I had a little time because my dog wasn't in pain so 
 I talked with two different oncologist and they both said the same thing. 
 Talking with an specialist made me feel better about my decision.One thing I 
 have learned from the dog bone cancer group I'm in is that there are no wrong 
 decisions. You do what you think is right for Dexter. You know Dexter better 
 than any vet so it's your call and it won't be a wrong decision.Maureen   
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain 
   From: skastel...@cicresearch.com  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
 Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 21:55:58 -0700  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter   
 Ben, my husband and I are praying that the best decision for Dex will become 
 obvious to you, whatever that is. The most difficult decision is deciding 
 that his quality of life...tubes, pills, anything out of the ordinary on a 
 morre than temporary basis, would serve only those who will be left behind. 
 God bless you and your family as you wrestle with this difficult decision. 
 Dexterwe love you. Please..let your beloved Daddy look in your eyes and 
 tell him what you need. Sara --Original Mail--  From: 
 Ben

Re: [Felvtalk] DMG

2011-07-05 Thread Ben Williams
I've been giving Dexter .25 mL of DMG twice daily, along with his vitamin.  It 
certainly can't hurt!


On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ cats?
 
 I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO THE
 POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and
 unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to
 have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on cleaning
 out the areas extremely well.  My vet says that he doesn't like doing it
 because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG.
 
 I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different forms.
 
 
 
 It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications:
 
 http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE 
 
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[Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-04 Thread Ben Williams
We are having a hard time making a very tough decision for Dexter.  In the past 
three days, Dex has suffered facial and paw swelling and has started having 
difficulty breathing.  Today has been bad and he is now receiving oxygen at the 
Dallas emergency vet clinic.  X-rays show that he has lymph node involvement in 
every area and his liver and spleen are enlarged and have move out of the 
proper body cavity. This puts him in, I think, stage 4 of lymphosarcoma. He is 
whimpering and obviously in pain.  We don't want to give up and we are willing 
to do chemo for him. We want to do what's best for Dexter, but it is so hard to 
make that final decision.  Is it time for his suffering to be over? Does he 
have a chance?  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten - Update

2011-06-25 Thread Ben Williams
My Dexter has been on interferon since October and the only effect I've ever 
noticed is that on the weeks he is on it, he is ever so slightly less 
energetic.  I've never seen him act nauseated because of it. In Cali's 
situation, there are so many things that could be impacting her breathing and 
the nausea.  Perhaps the smacking of the lips is an indication that she doesn't 
like the salty taste of the interferon?  If possible, try to avoid getting it 
on her tongue and aim for the roof of her mouth or cheek.  The interferon needs 
to get to her tonsils for absorption - either way, I'm sure she'll grow 
accustomed to taking it - Dexter has gotten to the point where he gets on the 
kitchen counter at the same time every day to take his dose - I think these 
kitties are able to put together that the bad tasting stuff makes them feel 
better.  

As far as the rapid breathing is concerned, Dexter is having that problem now, 
actually... It's more than likely him experiencing stress from being to the vet 
4 times this week, but any stress can cause it.  Cali needs a safe spot where 
she can stay cool and keep from allowing any stress in your house (loud noises, 
the other kitty) to scare her.  She should calm down and begin breathing more 
easily once she is relaxed.  

We started Dex on the lymphocyte t-cell immunomodulator yesterday.  He's been 
taking immunoregulin for a week as well, though the doc recommended that we not 
give it to him yesterday as the iV injection was seriously stressing him.  
Today, I'm regretting not having given it to him as he is more lethargic than 
he has been all week and he looks as though he feels terrible.  Dex had managed 
not to lose any weight during the last few weeks and had started showing signs 
that his red cell count was improving.  Not the case today.  He will be getting 
dose two of LTCI on Monday - I'm hoping he starts showing some better signs 
this weekend.



On Jun 25, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 IF Interferon causes nausea, perhaps you could get some anti-nausea pills
 from the vet and crush into her food, something she would really like.
 Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ckess...@cox.net
 Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 2:58 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten - Update
 
 Hi Everyone:  
 
 I took Cali to Dr. Wright here in Dallas as Lakewood Vet Hospital.  He is
 very compassionate and took a lot of time trying to explain what was going
 on.  He agreed that it was highly unlikely that Sasha would get the virus
 since Cali had probably had the virus from birth and they have always been
 indoors.  Sasha has been vaccinated and she also tested negative on Monday
 of this week.  
 
 He is doing a IFA test to be sure of Cali's situation.  He drew blood on
 Wednesday, but then his office called yesterday and said that I needed to
 bring Cali back in because the lab (or someone) messed up the test, and it
 had to be redone.  So I still don't know the results.  
 
 He wanted to start her on 1cc of Interferon Alpha 2B (1X a day for 7 days
 and then 1 time a week for thereafter). 
 
 She ate really well yesterday all day long but is still really tired and
 basically wanted to eat, drink water, and sleep.
 
 Last night, before I started the Interferon, she started breathing with
 short, fast, breaths. She was still eating and drinking well, just seemed to
 be breathing more abruptly than normal.  I went ahead and started her on the
 medication, but now this morning, she doesn't really want to eat and isn't
 drinking much water.  She is still breathing kind of hard.   I called the
 Vet and told them I wasn't going to bring her in to draw more blood today
 because she seemed nauseaed and she has been at a vet almost every day this
 week.  They tell you not to stress a cat the is FeLV+ and then you need to
 take them to a stressful environment everyday.  I don't understand.  I told
 them they would have to draw the blood on Monday morning.  
 
 I guess my question is, can the Interferon give them nausea?  She hasn't
 thrown up, but she smacks her lips together, which I think is a sign that
 she has an upset stomach.  The Vet said that I needed to be concerned about
 her not eating, but she was eating before I gave her the Interferon.  
 
 It's just last night her breathing changed to quick short breaths, before I
 started the medication, so I don't know if that is something I should be
 more concerned about more than the not eating, or what.  Too many things are
 changing, and I don't know what to do first.
 
 Please give me some input.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Cathy  
 
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[Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-06-21 Thread Ben Williams
Hello, everyone...

This is my first post to the list -- I just joined a few minutes ago.  I'm
writing in regards to my cat, Dexter.  Dexter was diagnosed with FeLV and
FIV this past October when he suffered a severe bout of life-threatening
anemia.  By the time we found a vet who had any idea what was going on with
Dex (We had a slew of ridiculous diagnoses; including heartworm and herpes),
he was in need of a blood transfusion.  The transfusion (at a whopping
$2200) and Acemannan treatment saved Dex's life and he bounced back within a
matter of weeks.  All has been great with Dex - he's been on Interferon
Alpha 2B since and has been in seemingly great health.  Until, that is, last
week.  After seeing Dex start to show minute signs of anemia again, a quick
trip to the doctor confirmed that the infection was active and that Dex was
heading back down the same path as last October.  Since then, we've been
racking our brains trying to figure out what to do for Dex.  Our Doctor, Dr.
Benjamin Wright at Lakewood Vet Center in Dallas, has been exceptional.
He's been open to just about anything we can try to help Dex.  As such, we
started Dex on Immunoregulin this past Friday and Dex just had his second
injection this morning.  Unfortunately, Dex has seemed to go down hill in
the last 24 hours.  He was at a relative high point on Sunday, seemed very
happy and lively, but as of yesterday and today, he is lethargic again and
obviously not happy at all, while his breathing has also become more
labored. Dr. Wright and I have been trying to contact the folks who make the
T-Cell Immunomodulator drug, but can't seem to get a call back from them.
Obviously, as I'm sure you all know, Carrington Labs, the makers of
Acemannan, are officially out of business as well, so that doesn't seem to
be an option.  We also contacted the vet hospital that makes the Interferon
Omega packet available and haven't had a response from them.  Where do we go
from here... Dex is only a year and a half old and is such a special cat.
We just want to do everything we can to help him.  We'd do another blood
transfusion, but that's just too expensive at the moment.

Thanks for reading,

Ben
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten

2011-06-21 Thread Ben Williams
I have to agree - we give all of our kitties a supplement called kittievite - 
it's a malt paste with a good daily multivitamin included... They never want to 
just eat the stuff, so we smear a little on their haunches, and they go about 
cleaning themselves and getting their vitamins.  Works like a charm and the 
effects are almost immediately noticeable in their luxuriously shiny coats!  

On the subject of vets in the Dallas area, we see Dr. Benjamin Wright at 
Lakewood Vet Clinic - he's great with felv cats and is always open to trying 
new things. He saved our Dexter last year, so I have nothing but awesome things 
to say about him.  His office can  be reached at 214.826.4800.  Dr wright is 
ordering the T-cell treatment for Dexter - hoping to have it thursday.

Ben

On Jun 21, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 Cathy - I forgot to mention that good veterinarians also believe in vitamin 
 supplements.  Our vet always gives any of our sick cats injectable vitamin 
 supplements to help them get better, Vitamin B12, C etc. - ask your vet or 
 future vet - it helps a lot!
 Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ckess...@cox.net
 Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 5:14 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Cc: Kelley Saveika
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten
 
 Thanks Kelley,
 
 When we adopted Sasha, she had been tested and vaccinated when we adopted 
 her.  We had her tested again yesterday and she was still negative.  
 
 I live in a two bedroom apartment, so it's really hard to keep them separated 
 unless we adopt out Sasha.  I don't really want to do that either.  I have 
 seen a post for a vet in Dallas at Lakewood Veterinary Hospital that seems to 
 work with people with kittens who are FELV+.  I guess I will look into him.
 
 Blood transfusions are so expensive though.  There is so much to do and it 
 seems like so little time.  I appreciate your words of encouragement.
 
 Cathy
 
  Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: 
 
 =
 Hi Cathy,
 
 I feel your pain - when my Missy was diagnosed with severe congenital heart
 disease, I thought I would die.  But they all die of something,
 unfortunately, and I think the special health kitties are the most special
 in other ways.
 
 We have a wonderful lady on this list who volunteers in an FELV sanctuary.
 Maybe she can give you some advice.
 
 
 I would definitely change vets - we adopted out a double pos (FIV+ and
 FELV+) to a lady in Waco about 2 years ago and she is going strong.  I would
 get a confirmatory IFA test.  I would get my other cat tested and
 vaccinated.   You may want to separate them.  Some do and some don't.
 
 I would not put her to sleep because she may be carrying a virus that may
 make her sick someday.  Even the feral cat people are getting away from PTS
 based on the result of a test.
 
 Love and light,
 
 Kelley
 
 On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 3:40 PM, ckess...@cox.net wrote:
 
 I am new the site and I am just crushed.  I have never had cats before and
 I adopted a shelter kitten from Petco in Plano, Texas.  She had Ringworm to
 start with and she was tiny, but she was playful and is as sweet as can be.
 We live in Downtown Dallas so she sits in the window of our high-rise and
 overlooks the skyline.  Last week, she became very lethargic and on Friday,
 I became worried so I took her to the emergency room.  She's always been
 little, but playful and happy until last week.
 
 They did a Feline Leukemia test and it was positive.  The only thing I had
 ever heard about Feline Leukemia before Friday night was that all cats who
 get it - die.
 
 Cali is only 7 months old and I can't stop crying.  I just moved to Dallas
 last July.  I have always had Dachshunds but I didn't think that dogs should
 be in apartments, so I got Cali.  Then I didn't want Cali to be by herself,
 so I got another shelter kitty from the Petco in Bedford, (named Sasha) and
 she is very healthy.
 
 The emergency room vet and the Vet that I took Cali to have both told me
 that I need to put Cali to sleep so that Sasha won't get sick and Cali won't
 get better so she should be put down.  For all of you out there, please say
 a prayer for me and Cali.  She is a Blue Cream Tabby, she weighs 5 pounds
 and she has been a real fighter.  I don't know how I will find the strength
 to put her to sleep.
 
 She is so little.  I want her to get better.  I can't stop crying.
 
 Cathy Kessel
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