Re: [Felvtalk] testing

2013-08-15 Thread Edna Taylor



We had a kitty that showed up in the backyard a few years
back so we trapped her and had her fixed and vaccinated and named her SuzieQ.  
Soon a male showed up so we got him all fixed
up.  Well, SuzieQ became more and more
friendly but we didn't want to leave Charlie outside alone and they were very
bonded so we built them a nice insulated, elevated house with a deck and
feeding area.  One day Charlie went
missing so we brought SuzieQ inside. 
Everything went well for almost a year until she started losing a lot of
weight.  After an ultrasound, the vet
recommended surgery to biopsy the mass in her abdomen.  It came back as a very 
aggressive form of cancer
that is common in cats with FeLuk.  She
tested negative but Dr. McCann said that she may have been exposed and fought
off the virus as a kitten but by then it was too late, the virus had done it's
damage and within 3 weeks of her diagnosis, she was gone. 
So, I guess what I am saying here is any cat that has been
exposed to Leukemia, even if they don't have it, runs the risk of getting one
or more of the cancers associated with the disease.  Not that they all will, 
but there is that
risk.  But then again, life expectancy is
fluid; we never know when our number is up. 
We lost a sweet kitty at five and a half years old and he didn't have
Leukemia or FIV, he was just a very sickly kitten and his body finally gave
out.  Cats, like people, die at different
ages and all we can do is embrace life, love them and care for them while they
are here and hold them forever in our hearts when they are gone.


 Edna


 
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 11:23:30 -0700
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Subject: [Felvtalk] testing

After the long discussion that I just got on testing, I am really confused and 
concerned.  I have a group of 6---one senior and the others a year old.  It was 
suspected that they were exposed to a cat with feline leukemia so I had them 
tested.  All but the one year old female tested positive on the Elsa---I 
believe it was that---did not really ask but it was a test done in the vet 
office in about 15 0r 20 minutes.  I moved them all indoors and got heaters and 
airconditioning for my garage (where they live), treated them aggressively, fed 
them more and better, and tried to reduce their stress as much as possible with 
climbers toys attention and love.   One did not make it after a month, but he 
was the sickest and kept separate from the start in the garage-the negative 
female has been kept in
 the garage, but separate as well.  Anyway 3 months later the remaining 5 all 
tested negative on the same test by same vet.  We were feeling very happy and 
hopeful.  We plan to have them retested this week (about 2 months since the 
last test) and were hoping and praying that we once again get a negative test. 
We were thinking that if they were negative a second time, that we would be 
free and clear of this horrible illness and not have to worry about them and 
did not have to worry about keeping them all separate from each other and our 
other inside cats.  But after reading this recent discussion I worry that 
another negative snap test won't mean anything.  Should I have the Elsa test 
done instead or also---if I can come up with the money?  Should I have another 
vet and lab do it?  Do I have to worry about them for the rest of their lives 
that this will pop its ugly head up again in years to come as carriers or
 what?  Thanks, Karen
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fostering

2013-02-01 Thread Edna Taylor

Right?  What is the worst that can happen?  Another cat gets FIV?  SO?  My 
Mom's cat Lucky lived with five other kitty siblings, he had FIV, no one else 
got it and he lived to be 16,  However, our cat Shtinky did NOT have FIV and 
died of a stroke at 12, Frankie, also NON FIV died at 5-1/2, Miller, NON FIV 
died of Lymphoma at 14, and SuzieQ, also NON FIV died of cancer at 3.  
Therefore, this just shows to go ya that FIV is NOT a death sentence and should 
not preclude a kitty from getting a wonderful home. EdnaTexas Siamese Rescue - 
Houston
  Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2013 09:41:55 -0500
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 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fostering
 
 On 02-01, Beth wrote:
 Yes, I foster for the largest  no-kill shelter in GA.
 We have a whole house for FIV kitties. And they do get adopted :)
 Beth
 
 It is so good to hear this, Beth. FIV cats can usually live long healthy
 lives, and they are not going to infect other cats unless there is a deep 
 bite wound. However many people are afraid to adopt an FIV cat, and these
 people need to be educated about FIV.
 
 Lorrie
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Miya Chan

2013-01-08 Thread Edna Taylor

So sorry for your loss Bonnie :( Edna
 From: ho...@sonic.net
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 07:58:29 -0800
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Miya Chan

Sweet thought -- Thank you!

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On Jan 8, 2013, at 12:32 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

They are here for such a short time and then they are gone but somewhere, in a 
parallel Universe, Miya Chan is still alive and purring and a version of 
yourself is there with her. One night, you may visit her in a dream and feel 
her warmth and see her lovely fur, so while you are there, sneak in a kiss or 
two on the top of her head before you wake up to yourself back here. You made 
her life a happy dream.

 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
 neighbors too!


From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 5:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Miya Chan
   



 
 




Goodnight, sweet Miya Chan...
 
=^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, 
Samantha, 

Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire =^..^=

  - Original Message - 
  From: Bonnie Hogue 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 6:50 
  PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Miya Chan
  

  
  Little 
  _Miya Chan_ died unexpectedly Friday morning.  Apparently she was 
  in kidney failure, according to the Vet.  Didn’t expect her to go so 
  soon.  Lovely brushed coat calico, rehabilitated feral who loved sleeping 
  on the foot of my bed and would raise up her head and close her eyes when I 
  bent to kiss the top of her head.  May she rest peacefully and pain free, 
  and may we meet again. 
  Your good 
  thoughts, positive energy and prayers for Miya are 
  appreciated. 
  Thank 
  you, 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Litter box with lid

2012-12-10 Thread Edna Taylor

We have a couple of rubbermaid totes that we use but the rest are all hooded 
boxes because nearly every cat in our house is an elevator b*tt urinator  
They may start out squatting down, but by the time they are done there little 
keisters are WAY up in the air.
  Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 12:07:02 -0600
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Litter box with lid
 
 sOUNDS LIKE dEE.  gOT ALL LARGE SIZE COVERED BOXES, OTHERWISE I HAVE TO 
 VACUMN THE FLOOR EVERY DAY.  I THINK SHE THROWS IT OUT.
 
 
  MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: 
  Try a large Rubbermaid tote .  If jumping in is an issue, cut a hole  
  or u-opening on a short side.  I like the 18 gallon or larger totes.   
  Very easy to clean and the litter stays put.
  On Dec 9, 2012, at 8:03 PM, Maryam Ulomi wrote:
  
   Hello everyone,
  
   One of my cats, Kitty, who is FeLV positive, is rather messy when  
   she uses the litter box and I was wondering if getting her a litter  
   box with a large top/lid is a good idea
   Any thoughts?
  
   Thanks as always,
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat proof furniture

2012-11-26 Thread Edna Taylor

We bought beautiful new living room furniture in January and it was promptly 
covered in plastic and ugly homemade (I winged it and made them out of duck 
cloth) slip covers that can be washed.  Once all the pisser have passed on, 
we can uncover the furniture, but not until that happens ;)
 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:43:24 -0800
From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat proof furniture

Invaders from the XION Universe came down and changed my kids into cats.  If 
you don't like my kids looking this way, go to the XION Universe and file a 
complaint.  Furrever in love with cats. 
 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
neighbors too!


From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com
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 Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat proof furniture
   

Someone actually surrendered a dog to the shelter where I used to work because 
they got new furniture, and the dog no longer matched.
 
As for myself - I've given up. The sofa is covered with plaid furniture 
protectors with a waterproof vinyl backing that I got from Bass Pro Shops. I 
also use inexpensive plastic-backed canvas dropcloths from Home Depot. 
Eventually the plastic gets shredded, but they're easy to wash and cheap to 
replace. My mattress is covered with a mattress protector and a blue tarp over 
that. Sheets are changed daily, since I sleep with two dogs and a multitude of 
cats.
 
Most of my friends have multiple cats and dogs, but those who don't and can't 
accept my pets are free not to visit. I saw a doormat somewhere that read:  
For visitors who don't like my pets: They live here. You don't. I need to buy 
it.





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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

2012-11-01 Thread Edna Taylor

Wonderful news and if I were to talk to that woman I certainly would have given 
her a piece of my mind but unforunately people like her care about no one but 
themselves :(  Miss Kitty is MUCH better off where she is as is Oz. Bless you 
for taking them in :) and for driving all that way to get them.  You're an 
angel.
 Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 10:11:03 -0700
From: westnint...@yahoo.com
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

wonderful of you..Miss Kitty sounds like a real Bombay kitty.Cathy 
From the Bronx N Y





From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com
To: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net 
Cc: craig white craiglwh...@gmail.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

Thanks to all for kind words.  I am what I am - an animal lover.

For
 those who care to know:

I got both cats tho had to drive all the way to camp ground, (abt 6
hrs round trip), as cats were uncooperative to the point of downright
hostility when Marcia's brother, Craig, had them in cardboard
carriers.  Cat scratch fever!  He ended up putting them/in folding dog
crate til I got there.

Appears the grey one (actually more of a brown/black/grey tabby), was
NOT the one the woman had deserted.  The smaller black female was
hers.  The grey is a battle scarred fully intact male who roamed the
campground.  Craig had the honor of naming him - Ozzie it is.  Oz for
short.  I am concerned about him as he is hoarse, has a funny nose,
tearing eyes and sneezesupper resp issues at the very least I
suspect.  As soon as I closed them in my master bathroom (quarantine),
he spent over 1/2 hr scarfing down food and water.

Smaller black cat
 appears to have absolutely NO white on her.  Not on
chest, feet, tip of tail, nothing.  Never seen one pure black before.
She is a lover/lap cat.  First thing out of carrier she made one round
of bathroom and used the litter pan.  My kind of Kitty.

Unless Craig or Marcia come up with something else I am calling her
Miss Kitty after Marshall Dillion's lady friend in Gun Smoke.
According to Craig he talked to the lady who left her behind and Miss
Kitty has been spayed and tested neg for FeLV.  I have to ask him if
he knows if she has had her vaccinations or not cause I don't want to
double dose her.

So, all is quiet in the master bathroom, I am calling my vet first
thing tomorrow and 4 of my other kitties are lined up outside the
bathroom door waiting to try and sneak in.  Film at 11.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

2012-10-31 Thread Edna Taylor

You ROCK!
  From: katsk...@gmail.com
 Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 22:26:06 -0400
 To: marciabmar...@gmail.com
 CC: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
 
 As an FYI I am adopting cat(s).  Meeting rescuer tomorrow near
 Columbus.  Will be taking in to test for FeLV and get vaccinations
 following day.  It/they if he can snare the black one she abandoned
 too, will join my current 8 cats and 4 dogs.
 
 Kat
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

2012-10-29 Thread Edna Taylor

Better a shelter than left to freeze and/or starve to death :(
 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:04:23 -0700
From: westnint...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm. Get him to the 
Bronx N Y and I'll take him





From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

Hi guys
Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? 
My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a 
housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said 
its curled up on the
 porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but I know that isn't 
helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that campground for the 
season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would eat the cat so he can't 
take it. Shelters r full. Anyone have any ideas??
Thanks
Marcia

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

2012-10-29 Thread Edna Taylor

But if NO ONE is going to be there to feed him, that is cruel to just leave him 
:(  Again, better off in a shelter or vet's office than left to die :(
 From: cougarcl...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:20:34 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

straw/pine needles etc are better than towels that will get wet and freeze when 
he comes in after a rain/snow. 
On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Edna Taylor wrote:Better a shelter than left to 
freeze and/or starve to death :(
 
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:04:23 -0700
From: westnint...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm. Get him to the 
Bronx N Y and I'll take him
From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

Hi guys
Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? 
My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a 
housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said 
its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but 
I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that 
campground for the season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would eat 
the cat so he can't take it. Shelters r full. Anyone have any ideas??
Thanks
Marcia

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

2012-10-29 Thread Edna Taylor

Oh, like the one church where the pastor shot the dog or another one where 
people were told NOT to help and/or feed a stray dog; or how about the preacher 
who trapped his neighbor's cat, left it in the back of his truck in a trap for 
a few days before taking him to the shelter, shelter said hey, he has a 
collar, cat belongs to your neighbor so then he threw the cat off a bridge.  
Yep, THOSE compassionate people?  pftt (sorry, for the 
rant, just sick of mean people)
 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:36:59 -0700
From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

Is there a church nearby or a church or temple that you attend in the area.  
Maybe they could provide shelter/housing for the cat until something permanent 
can be found for the poor kitty.  Aren't churches supposed to extend compassion 
to non-human animals also?

 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors
 too!


From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com
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 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
   

straw/pine needles etc are better than towels that will get wet and freeze when 
he comes in after a rain/snow. 
On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Edna Taylor wrote:Better a shelter than left to 
freeze and/or starve to death :(
 
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:04:23 -0700
From: westnint...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm. Get him to the 
Bronx N Y and I'll take him
From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012
 4:00 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

Hi guys
Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? 
My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a 
housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said 
its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but 
I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that 
campground for the season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would eat 
the cat so he can't take it. Shelters r full. Anyone have any ideas??
Thanks
Marcia

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

2012-10-29 Thread Edna Taylor

better to go to sleep than to suffer a long, cruel, agonizing death.  There ARE 
worse things than death :(  Is there a vet in the area he could take the cat 
to.  Even if put down, that is more humane than to leave him to the elements.
 From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:41:07 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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He's telling me that the shelters are all full.

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On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:





But if NO ONE is going to be there to feed him, that is cruel to just leave him 
:(  Again, better off in a shelter or vet's office than left to die :(
 
From: cougarcl...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:20:34 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

straw/pine needles etc are better than towels that will get wet and freeze when 
he comes in after a rain/snow. 
On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Edna Taylor wrote:Better a shelter than left to 
freeze and/or starve to death :(
 
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:04:23 -0700
From: westnint...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm. Get him to the 
Bronx N Y and I'll take him
From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

Hi guys
Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? 
My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a 
housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said 
its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but 
I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that 
campground for the season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would eat 
the cat so he can't take it. Shelters r full. Anyone have any ideas??
Thanks
Marcia

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

2012-10-29 Thread Edna Taylor

While shelters DO kill animals everyday, I again have to say that going to 
sleep is far better than starving to death, being eaten by a coyote or freezing 
to death.  I work with the local County run shelter and YES, I know animals go 
in but don't make it out alive; however, I would rather than than to see them 
hit again and again and again on Houston freeways, laying there for days 
suffering :( or used as bait, die of disease and starvation, etc. etc.  
Sometimes the most humane thing we can do is to get an animal to a shelter and 
simply say a prayer. I never expect people to take in the amounts of animals 
that we take in; however, I DO respectfully request that they not just leave 
one behind when there are shelters in the area, even kill shelters. Just my two 
cents.
 Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:46:08 -0700
From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

Did he by any chance get the woman's name or car license plate number to look 
her up or do people have to register to use the camp grounds?  He name would be 
on the registration.  There must be some way to contact the woman or the camp 
manager and get the cat to safety or have the woman foot the bill for a vet 
clinic to board the cat until a foster home can be found.  A shelter will 
simply kill the cat.  If your brother can pack the kitty into a carrier, the 
dog won't make a snack of him until they can travel to a safe location for the 
cat.
 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
neighbors too!


From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
   

I live in Kansas and the cat is in Ohio. My brother is at a campground several 
hundred miles from his house. He is leaving tomorrow. I could really smack that 
woman!!!

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On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:36 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

Is there a church nearby or a church or temple that you attend in the area.  
Maybe they could provide shelter/housing for the cat until something permanent 
can be found for the poor kitty.  Aren't churches supposed to extend compassion 
to non-human animals also?

 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors
 too!


From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home
   

straw/pine needles etc are better than towels that will get wet and freeze when 
he comes in after a rain/snow. 
On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Edna Taylor wrote:Better a shelter than left to 
freeze and/or starve to death :(
 
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:04:23 -0700
From: westnint...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm. Get him to the 
Bronx N Y and I'll take him
From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012
 4:00 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

Hi guys
Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? 
My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a 
housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said 
its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but 
I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that 
campground for the season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would eat 
the cat so he can't take it. Shelters r full. Anyone have any ideas??
Thanks
Marcia

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

2012-10-29 Thread Edna Taylor

I don't agree when there is no caretaker for the colony, but we shall agree to 
disagree.
 From: cougarcl...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:49:35 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

I don't agree at all.  Cats are very oriented toward survival.  I have a feral 
colony and have had numerous ferals as companions.  Cats revert to ferals 
quickly.  No life won't be easy but this is a last minute call for help and 
killing a cat just doesn't work for me.  No, I do not advocate dumping cats but 
this one is already on his own.  A Rubbermaid tote outfitted with proper 
bedding and a hole near the top of one long end will help a lot.   
On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Edna Taylor wrote:better to go to sleep than to 
suffer a long, cruel, agonizing death.  There ARE worse things than death :(  
Is there a vet in the area he could take the cat to.  Even if put down, that is 
more humane than to leave him to the elements.
 
From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:41:07 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

He's telling me that the shelters are all full.

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On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:

But if NO ONE is going to be there to feed him, that is cruel to just leave him 
:(  Again, better off in a shelter or vet's office than left to die :(
 
From: cougarcl...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:20:34 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

straw/pine needles etc are better than towels that will get wet and freeze when 
he comes in after a rain/snow. 
On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Edna Taylor wrote:Better a shelter than left to 
freeze and/or starve to death :(
 
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:04:23 -0700
From: westnint...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

Until he finds a home a box,and towels will help keep him warm. Get him to the 
Bronx N Y and I'll take him
From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:00 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

Hi guys
Are any of you in Ohio or know anyone in Ohio that would take an abandoned cat? 
My brother is at s campsite and a woman there took in a cat , made it into a 
housecat and the left it there. She packed up and left for the winter. He said 
its curled up on the porch on a towel in 20 degree wind chill. I am pissed but 
I know that isn't helping this poor cat. Everyone will be gone from that 
campground for the season. My brother is leaving tomorrow. His dog would eat 
the cat so he can't take it. Shelters r full. Anyone have any ideas??
Thanks
Marcia

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Re: [Felvtalk] Breathing issues

2012-10-17 Thread Edna Taylor

HA HA HA HA ;)
 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:48:44 -0700
From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Breathing issues

It's funny to see my cats dash to the French doors in the cat room and begin 
chirping and twitching their whiskers in excitement over a bird.  Then my 
peacock comes into view and they back away from the door. He's just too much 
bird for them.
 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
neighbors too!


From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:36 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Breathing issues
   
My boys chirp when they see birds close up. 
On Oct 16, 2012, at 7:25 AM, Maryam Ulomi wrote:Thanks, I do try to keep her 
happy and healthy.I really hope the breathing issues are
 not some upper respiratory issues 

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On Oct 16, 2012, at 8:19, Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com wrote:

  I don't think so.  I'm not an expert, but in my experience, these 
chirping sounds mean that kitty is inquisitive and happy.   My 2 cents.   
=^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, 
Samantha, 
Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire 
=^..^=   - Original Message -   From: Maryam Ulomi   To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:54   AM  
Subject: [Felvtalk] Breathing issues  
Hello,
Kitty, the kitten I rescued from a feral mother 6   weeks ago, is making some 
chirping like sounds now. She also does some meowing   and those chirping 
sounds when she jumps around or
 plays. Is that anything to   be concerned about?
Yesterday she did this not panting thing once and then   again this am; I have 
an appointment to see the vet . But does anyone about   such behavior?

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Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

2012-10-17 Thread Edna Taylor

Rascal has not gained a lot of weight back but he did gain a little and is 
doing well.  Sorry to hear about Cutie Pie and Vinney :( We take our cats to 
Gulf Coast Veterinary Specialists when they need specialized treatment AND what 
many people do not know about is the Care Credit card.  It is a medical credit 
card that can be used both for animals and people :)  Anything over $1,000 is 
one year to 18 months no interest, $500 and under is six months no interest.  
Best credit card we have.
 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 23:14:16 -0700
From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

Long time ago, before the radiation therapy for hyperthyroidism came here from 
Houston, one of my tiny calicos began having thyroid issues, ate a lot, lost 
weight, tested and had it.  At that time, they were still doing surgery.  I 
went to a very expensive cat specialist who I will not name because he treated 
me like dinosaurs used to treat women, like I did not have a brain.  However, 
he was an excellent surgeon and Cutie Pie lived several more years without 
losing another ounce of weight.  She didn't gain much either but she had always 
been a slim cat.  She passed of old age.  

There is also the transdermal treatment with the same meds as the pill has.  I 
was very unsuccessful with treating Vinney that way.  He was not a candidate 
for radiation therapy because of the money involved
 and also because he lost weight so rapidly that he became weakened and the vet 
said that since he was over 15 years old, the treatment would not extend his 
life or quality of life much.  Vinney passed away two years ago.

 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
neighbors too!


From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 6:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food
   




We had one cat with hyperthyroidism and we did the one time iodine treatment, 
brought him home 4 days later and he has been great ever since.  We did not 
want to force pills down his gullet twice a day for the rest of his life.  Plus 
there was the cost factor, $1,000 a year for the rest of his life or one time 
$1,675 treatment.  We opted for the one time treatment.
 
 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:31:49 -0500
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food
 
 I had 2 cats with hyper thyroid.  Shallie i took to Missou at Columbia and 
 had to leave her there for 3 weeks because she was radioactive.  Convinced 
 them to let me bring her home early after I agreed to keep her seperate for 
 the others and dispose of her litter safely.  She was on Tapazole, but it did 
 not do
 much good as she kept spitting them out when I was not looking.  I kept 
finding little white pills all over.  Second was her brother 1 year later.  I 
decided not to pursue treatment considering results with Shallie.  She lost 
much of her hair, never was able to ut on wieight and every time she sneezed, 
it was blood.  Like the meds were a blood thinner.  She was miserable and I did 
not want to ut tigger thru that.
 
 
  Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
  BTW – Re :HYPERTHYROIDISM – my vet told me that RadioCat has a 4-month, ½
  price special for radioiodine treatments, starting Nov. 1 – performed at
  area veterinary clinics on East Coast, check with them if it’s going on in
  other areas.  I’ve had bad experiences with Tapazole/Methimazole….and this
  would be a lot cheaper in the long run!  Have had 3 cats done, and 2 more
  are getting
 it done by RadioCat (www.RadioCat.com ) at a super price.
  
   
  
  My new email address is:atia@gmail.com
  
   
  
  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
  Evans
  Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 2:58 AM
  To: felvtalk
  Subject: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food
  
   
  
  Costco's Kirkland is excellent.  Unfortunately, it just went up in price a
  dollar and fifty cents more to $18.99.  It was about $17.59 a couple of
  weeks ago but it's still the best deal around for 25 pounds of good quality
  cat food.  I began feeding it again to my inside rescues because they were
  losing weight after we moved out of San Antonio to Comal County to get away
  from the ACO's
 who were constantly giving me citations for too many cats.
  Anyway, cats are not good with moving from a known to an unknown place.
  Lots of stress, fur loss, weight loss, behavior problems.  I finally have it
  under control thanks to a friend who has her own 501 c 3 and is quite well
  known in the rescue community. I got several adoptions through her
  organization which culled the herd nicely. A couple of my older cats passed
  on from kidney failure, one from cancer (my oldest FIV+ cat who was about
  13) and one from heart disease and a tumor.  I think it was all due to the
  stress of moving

Re: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat

2012-10-16 Thread Edna Taylor

Alev, are you in Houston, TX.  What shelter was this?
 Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:17:14 -0700
From: alev_dur...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat

Thank you Kathryn,
I signed the Houston petition already...I hope you guys get enough people on 
time. I checked the list, it was not in it before. I will check the new one 
too. I am thinking to send them an email about what I think of them and send a 
FB messages to people around town to warn that this shelter is not no-kill I 
don't know what else I can do?
Thank you so much to you all for all you support and info, really, sharing this 
with you made me cry more but better than holding in... 
Alev 
From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 1:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+
 cat
   

Yes, and some have even gone so far as to define ``adoptable'' as those for 
which they have cages!  Outta space, outta luck.

As Christine probably knows, there are over 200 cities/towns that are now No 
Kill.  As for No Kill places being hard to find, at least someone is looking 
for them.   In fact, I just realized that my link to the No Kill communities 
list is outdated and should be replaced with this, which is the above someone's 
blog:

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ (see the right 
sidebar)





On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote:

The caveat to the “no kill” (as defined in the Asilomar Accords) is that all it 
means is they will not kill adoptable animals.  Unfortunately, its up to the 
individual shelter/rescue to define what they consider “adoptable”.  All too 
often, facilities that advertise themselves as “no kill” really mean that they 
will kill all ill, senior, problem behavior, etc. animals but never kill a 
healthy easily adoptable animals.  These kinds of facilities never ever publish 
their euthanasia matrix” which is where they define their policy on who they 
will kill.  True no kills (as we think it means  as defined by Nathan 
Winograd) are tough to find.  I volunteer for one such shelter in New Orleans 
(ARNO)  the
 handful of animals they’ve put down have been terminally ill animals who were 
either comatose or in intractable pain.  They never put down for fiv or felv!  


 The shelter you cited clearly is a kill shelter  why they wouldn’t have 
alerted you to the cat’s test results  given you some time demonstrates an 
attitude that is unfortunately all too common.  I’m so sorry this happened to 
you but please know that River had love from you—something she likely hadn’t 
had in a very long time.


 


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If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their 
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If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to 
free up cage space.

Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by 
implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/




Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
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Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/




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Re: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat

2012-10-16 Thread Edna Taylor

Oh, I saw where you said you signed the Houston petition which is why I thought 
you were here.

 From: alev_dur...@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 15:40:28 -0400
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat

Hi Edna,
No, I am in MA. thank you,

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On Oct 16, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:





Alev, are you in Houston, TX.  What shelter was this?
 
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 10:17:14 -0700
From: alev_dur...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat

Thank you Kathryn,
I signed the Houston petition already...I hope you guys get enough people on 
time. I checked the list, it was not in it before. I will check the new one 
too. I am thinking to send them an email about what I think of them and send a 
FB messages to people around town to warn that this shelter is not no-kill I 
don't know what else I can do?
Thank you so much to you all for all you support and info, really, sharing this 
with you made me cry more but better than holding in... 
Alev 
From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 1:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No-kill animal shelter killing FeLV+
 cat
   

Yes, and some have even gone so far as to define ``adoptable'' as those for 
which they have cages!  Outta space, outta luck.

As Christine probably knows, there are over 200 cities/towns that are now No 
Kill.  As for No Kill places being hard to find, at least someone is looking 
for them.   In fact, I just realized that my link to the No Kill communities 
list is outdated and should be replaced with this, which is the above someone's 
blog:

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ (see the right 
sidebar)





On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 8:49 AM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote:

The caveat to the “no kill” (as defined in the Asilomar Accords) is that all it 
means is they will not kill adoptable animals.  Unfortunately, its up to the 
individual shelter/rescue to define what they consider “adoptable”.  All too 
often, facilities that advertise themselves as “no kill” really mean that they 
will kill all ill, senior, problem behavior, etc. animals but never kill a 
healthy easily adoptable animals.  These kinds of facilities never ever publish 
their euthanasia matrix” which is where they define their policy on who they 
will kill.  True no kills (as we think it means  as defined by Nathan 
Winograd) are tough to find.  I volunteer for one such shelter in New Orleans 
(ARNO)  the
 handful of animals they’ve put down have been terminally ill animals who were 
either comatose or in intractable pain.  They never put down for fiv or felv!  


 The shelter you cited clearly is a kill shelter  why they wouldn’t have 
alerted you to the cat’s test results  given you some time demonstrates an 
attitude that is unfortunately all too common.  I’m so sorry this happened to 
you but please know that River had love from you—something she likely hadn’t 
had in a very long time.



 


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alev 
Durmus



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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their 
life.  Contact your local pound for information. 



If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to 
free up cage space.

Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by 
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Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/




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More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/




More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially 
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Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

2012-10-15 Thread Edna Taylor

We had one cat with hyperthyroidism and we did the one time iodine treatment, 
brought him home 4 days later and he has been great ever since.  We did not 
want to force pills down his gullet twice a day for the rest of his life.  Plus 
there was the cost factor, $1,000 a year for the rest of his life or one time 
$1,675 treatment.  We opted for the one time treatment.
  Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 17:31:49 -0500
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food
 
 I had 2 cats with hyper thyroid.  Shallie i took to Missou at Columbia and 
 had to leave her there for 3 weeks because she was radioactive.  Convinced 
 them to let me bring her home early after I agreed to keep her seperate for 
 the others and dispose of her litter safely.  She was on Tapazole, but it did 
 not do much good as she kept spitting them out when I was not looking.  I 
 kept finding little white pills all over.  Second was her brother 1 year 
 later.  I decided not to pursue treatment considering results with Shallie.  
 She lost much of her hair, never was able to ut on wieight and every time she 
 sneezed, it was blood.  Like the meds were a blood thinner.  She was 
 miserable and I did not want to ut tigger thru that.
 
 
  Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
  BTW – Re :HYPERTHYROIDISM – my vet told me that RadioCat has a 4-month, ½
  price special for radioiodine treatments, starting Nov. 1 – performed at
  area veterinary clinics on East Coast, check with them if it’s going on in
  other areas.  I’ve had bad experiences with Tapazole/Methimazole….and this
  would be a lot cheaper in the long run!  Have had 3 cats done, and 2 more
  are getting it done by RadioCat (www.RadioCat.com ) at a super price.
  
   
  
  My new email address is:atia@gmail.com
  
   
  
  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
  Evans
  Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 2:58 AM
  To: felvtalk
  Subject: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food
  
   
  
  Costco's Kirkland is excellent.  Unfortunately, it just went up in price a
  dollar and fifty cents more to $18.99.  It was about $17.59 a couple of
  weeks ago but it's still the best deal around for 25 pounds of good quality
  cat food.  I began feeding it again to my inside rescues because they were
  losing weight after we moved out of San Antonio to Comal County to get away
  from the ACO's who were constantly giving me citations for too many cats.
  Anyway, cats are not good with moving from a known to an unknown place.
  Lots of stress, fur loss, weight loss, behavior problems.  I finally have it
  under control thanks to a friend who has her own 501 c 3 and is quite well
  known in the rescue community. I got several adoptions through her
  organization which culled the herd nicely. A couple of my older cats passed
  on from kidney failure, one from cancer (my oldest FIV+ cat who was about
  13) and one from heart disease and a tumor.  I think it was all due to the
  stress of moving and being in a much smaller place. Anyway,  to straighten
  out the fur and weight problem, I bought Kirkland because it has the highest
  fat content of any of the dry foods.  Several months and several bags of
  Kirkland later, one of my cats who was almost bald now has a really nice
  coat (long fur girl, house feral) and the scabs on her skin are gone.  She
  has put on at least a pound, if not two.  The other cats are gaining weight,
  all except one.  He needs a thyroid profile when I get some money.  But he's
  holding his own also.  Of course, my fat cats are getting fatter by the
  minute.  But on the whole, I'm very happy with Kirkland.  I also use Paws
  and Claws, which is the brand Tractor Supply feed store puts out. It's quite
  a bargain although not as fatty as Kirkland but costs $20 for 36 pounds.  I
  only use canned for the cat who has stomatitis.  Since Kirkland is smaller
  pellets than other cat food, he is able to eat it without trouble.  I have a
  membership at Costco through my animal rights organization.  There are three
  of us who do cat rescue and we share the membership fee each year.  We are
  tax exempt,  which helps also with the price.
  
   
  
   
  
  Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
  neighbors too!
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
  Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
  neighbors too!
  
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

2012-10-12 Thread Edna Taylor

Sounds like a girl after my own heart ;)
 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 13:28:35 -0700
From: susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

I tried raw with my 15 year old calico a few years ago.  She wouldn't touch it, 
wanted me to fry it up in some butter first.





From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food


i TRIED RABBIT FROM A NEIGHBOR WHO RAISES HIS ORGANIC FOR HIS OWN FOOD.  THEY 
LOOKED AT IT LIKE IT WAS ALIEN, WOULD NOT EVEN TOUCH IT.  I ONLY HAVE 7, BUT 
KEEPING ENOUGH MEAT FOR THEM WOULD BE A PROBLEM.  i HAVE A SIDE BY SIDE AND THE
 FREEZER IS NOT THAT LARGE.  AND GETTING IT OUT IN TIME TO THAW WOULD BE A 
PROBLEM WITH MY MEMORY.

 Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 It would be nice if I could do that but I'm feeding around 35 cats right now. 
  Feeding raw would cost me around $9 a day with turns into around $250 a 
 month.  On top of which, I would be a little nervous to feed raw chicken to 
 the cats.  Some of them probably wouldn't even understand what it was while 
 others might throw it up at first.  Cooked chicken would add about 3 hours 
 work to my day.  My freezer would be full of frozen chicken, not defrosted in 
 time for their dinner and I would go insane.

The dry food costs me about $100 - $150 a month.  With the price of Kirkland 
going up it would cost me about equal to that because they eat less of the 
Kirkland due to fat
 content.  Seems to fill them up better.  I used to buy Friskies regular type, 
and Purina Cat Chow (no one wanted to eat that).  Then I bought HEB brand Hill 
Country Fair and all the cats began throwing up in unison.  Stopped buying that 
also.  They seem to be able to digest Paws and Claws, the Tractor Supply brand 
that cost $20 for 36 pounds but the older ones lose weight when they eat it.  
One of my cats, Isadora lost most of her fur (long hair) and had scabs and 
sores on her skin.  I began feeding Kirkland about 3 months ago and the other 
day I realized that Isadora had no more scabs and had grown back her fur.  The 
fat content did her a whole lot of good. She looks like she has gained a pound 
or two and is much more active. Mr. Buttons (Big Butt-tons) also gained weight 
on
  Kirkland.  I need to widen the doorway for him.
I will probably have to keep buying the Kirkland and just work harder.
 


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!





From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food


I'm curious as to how much you are spending per day per cat feeding dry.  I am 
able to feed raw for 70 cents/day per cat.  If you didn't buy the chicken from 
Whole Foods, which charges about twice as much as do, say local ethnic 
butchers, then you could roll in for around half that.   

I've heard they have to eat more dry than raw, as it isn't as high-octane of 
food.   Also, cats don't drink enough
 water to compensate for dry food, grain/starch-free or not, and stand a very 
good chance of ending up with CRF.  



On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

Oh, @#$%!!!.  The price of Kirkland Adult Maintenance cat food used to be 
$16.99.  Then it went up a year later to $17.59.  Well, I bought two 20 lb. 
bags a week and a half ago.  This Tuesday, I went back to Costco because my 
cats ate most of the Kirkland and the price had gone up to $18.99!!!  It went 
up $1.49 in about a week.  This is robbery.  I'm so depressed.  The crap I buy 
at the feed store doesn't have a high fat content and doesn't have actual 
chicken like Kirkland and is $20  for a 36 pound bag.  Well, kitties, you're 
going to be back on a diet of crap and corn meal unless Mommy can get
 another job online.  Sigh.



 
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If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Ta ta for now

2012-10-12 Thread Edna Taylor

Sorry to see you leave the list Natalie :(  You should stick around since the 
elections will be over soon ;)
 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 16:12:57 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Ta ta for now

It seems that this topic still isn’t closed, is it?  There have been comments 
after the one you just responded to here. I joined because a friend recommended 
this group, and it has been helpful.  I had 2 adult FeLV+ cats.  One of the 
cats died of CRF, and the other was adopted by a veterinarian and is still 
doing OK.  Those 2 cats lived with a large group of healthy cats for about 6 
months, and I tested all starting with very young and older cats – not a single 
cat contracted the virus!  6 months should have been enough time to do so, 
shouldn’t it?Since I don’t have any FeLV positive cats right now, I decided 
that I will get off this list – I learned things that I’d rather not have 
known, such as someone hunting small game, another person having cats declawed 
routinely, I guess because the vet offers such a great deal, etc. But before I 
leave, I will post just one site about Clumping litter containing sodium 
bentonite.  Don’t forget, it doesn’t have to be listed in the ingredients!~  
And as long as it states that it can be flushed down the toilet, is doesn’t 
contain SB, which would completely block the plumbing.I’ve seen so many 
reviews, often poo-pooing the dangers, misstating that SB expands 5 times its 
weight (it’s capable of absorbing liquid and moisture 15 x its weight, and is- 
used in construction).  The best article was written in Tiger Tribe, a holistic 
cat magazine that is no longer published. When I heard that they were closing 
down operations, I bought all the back issues. 
http://www.thelighthouseonline.com/articles/clump.html - Clumping clay litters, 
a deadly convenience.This one is short and sweet. 
http://kapush.net/cat-litter/sodium-bentonite-cat-litter-dangers/ -NatalieFrom: 
Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of cindy 
reasoner
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 8:52 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President I disagree. Please can we just end 
all the political talk. Cindy Reasoner --- On Wed, 10/10/12, GRAS 
g...@optonline.net wrote:
From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2012, 2:10 PMI must respectfully disagree, this 
wasn’t about bashing anyone– to state a platform on which a candidate is 
running is just that – no one was calling any candidate horrible names!  
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Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

2012-10-11 Thread Edna Taylor

We went the good food route and were feeding everyone Blue for a long time 
and everyone kept throwing up (A LOT) so we went back to Purina Complete and 
everyone seems happy, there is no more throwing up and they are healthy.  Our 
vet said some cats cannot tolerate the high fat and protein in some of the 
holistic brands and considering it was $40 a bag, I am A OK with that ;)
 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:06:37 -0700
From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

Oh, @#$%!!!.  The price of Kirkland Adult Maintenance cat food used to be 
$16.99.  Then it went up a year later to $17.59.  Well, I bought two 20 lb. 
bags a week and a half ago.  This Tuesday, I went back to Costco because my 
cats ate most of the Kirkland and the price had gone up to $18.99!!!  It went 
up $1.49 in about a week.  This is robbery.  I'm so depressed.  The crap I buy 
at the feed store doesn't have a high fat content and doesn't have actual 
chicken like Kirkland and is $20  for a 36 pound bag.  Well, kitties, you're 
going to be back on a diet of crap and corn meal unless Mommy can get another 
job online.  Sigh.

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neighbors too!


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Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter

2012-10-10 Thread Edna Taylor

I am glad some can use the pine litter.  I couldn't stand the smell once it 
interacts with poop and/or urine - 
PEEEUU.  I have a very sensitive nose 
and just can't abide some smells.  Hence the scoopable clay litter ;)
  Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 16:17:56 -0400
 From: felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
 
 This sounds like the best bet for me. I really have to have scoopable
 litter. I once found a bag of Feline Pine Scoopable and it worked
 wonderfully. The pellets are horrible tho.  The problem is we now live
 in a very small town (rural area) and I have never seen the Pine Scoopable
 here.  I'll try on line.
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 10-08, Lynda Wilson wrote:
  I use Feline Pine - scoopable, not the pellets (it's too hard on their feet 
  in my opinion).  It has improved immensely!  It clumps better and leaves 
  less on the floor than what it used to. It lasts a long time too.
  
  L
  
 
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[Felvtalk] SuzieQ

2012-10-08 Thread Edna Taylor




We have tried everything and nothing is working, she is not eating at all 
anymore and I believe she is ready to go.  She looks outside and in my heart I 
know she just wants to run free so we will let her go tonight.  It hurts to 
feel like we let her down and what if we would have left her outside to run and 
play and just be a kitty?  Bringing them inside can be a double edged sword, 
they get love and warmth and food but they seem to always long for the days 
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Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ

2012-10-08 Thread Edna Taylor

We are going to do that tonight.  I took her into the back yard this morning 
and we want to give her some time tonight to just smell the grass and enjoy the 
sunshine.
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 07:33:51 -0700
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ

I'm so sorry Edna. When one of my girls was near the end I would take her out 
in the front yard with me  sit in the grass  let her watch the birds. I don't 
know if that is an option for you, but it think it helped me  made her a 
little happier in the end.
Beth
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   
From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 10:24 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ
   








We have tried everything and nothing is working, she is not eating at all 
anymore and I believe she is ready to go.  She looks outside and in my heart I 
know she just wants to run free so we will let her go tonight.  It hurts to 
feel like we let her down and what if we would have left her outside to run and 
play and just be a kitty?  Bringing them inside can be a double edged sword, 
they get love and warmth and food but they seem to always long for the days 
that they were outside and free :(
 
Edna
  

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Re: [Felvtalk] SusieQ

2012-10-08 Thread Edna Taylor

No worries :)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 02:25:22 -0700
From: cline...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] SusieQ

Edna, I apologize for calling SuzieQ Sophia.  Hugs to SuzieQSharyl
From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 To:
 felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 2:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again
   




REALLY?  Y'all think so?  I don't think anyone is being mean and hateful, but 
then again, I tend to see the positive side of most things :)
 
Anywho, I'll ask again DOES anyone have any advice on things I can do to make 
SuzieQ more comfortable in her last days.  She is 2-3 years old, was diagnosed 
with a rapidly advancing cancer a couple of weeks ago, doctor said she was 
exposed to FeLuk as a kitten even though she was able to shed the virus but 
there is nothing we can do because the cancer has already compromised her 
liver, etc.  Anyone have any pearls of wisdom to share
 







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Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ

2012-10-08 Thread Edna Taylor

Thank you Terri.
Edna
 From: siggies...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 10:56:39 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ









Hugs, Edna.  Never an easy decision, but you know your SuzieQ 
best.  She will love you always.
 
(((hugs
 
Terri B

  - Original Message - 
  From: Edna Taylor 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 10:54 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ
  

  We are going to do that tonight.  I took her into the back 
  yard this morning and we want to give her some time tonight to just smell the 
  grass and enjoy the sunshine.


  
  
  
  Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 07:33:51 -0700
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: 
  Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ


  
  I'm so sorry Edna. When one of my girls was near the end I would 
  take her out in the front yard with me  sit in the grass  let her 
  watch the birds. I don't know if that is an option for you, but it think it 
  helped me  made her a little happier in the end.
  

  Beth

   
  Don't Litter, Fix Your 
  Critter! www.Furkids.org
  
   
  

  
  
  
  
  From: Edna Taylor 
  taylore...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
Sent: Monday, October 8, 
  2012 10:24 AM
Subject: 
  [Felvtalk] SuzieQ


  
  

  
  We have tried everything and nothing is working, she is not 
  eating at all anymore and I believe she is ready to go.  She looks 
  outside and in my heart I know she just wants to run free so we will let her 
  go tonight.  It hurts to feel like we let her down and what if we would 
  have left her outside to run and play and just be a kitty?  Bringing them 
  inside can be a double edged sword, they get love and warmth and food but 
they 
  seem to always long for the days that they were outside and free 
  :(
 
Edna

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Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ

2012-10-08 Thread Edna Taylor

That is exactly what happened Natalie, the light has gone out of her eyes :(
 Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 11:12:33 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ

No, Edna, you did the right by taking her in!Strangely, I have never had a cat 
who longed to be outside – they never try to sneak out!  But, we have nice 
outdoor runs for them, maybe that’s their chance to get nose-to-nose with some 
wildlife who always seem to be either performing or teasing the cats!I am so 
sorry she’s not doing well!  She probably is ready to go – I feel that once the 
light has gone out of their eyes, let them go.Natalie From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 10:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ We have tried everything and nothing is working, she 
is not eating at all anymore and I believe she is ready to go.  She looks 
outside and in my heart I know she just wants to run free so we will let her go 
tonight.  It hurts to feel like we let her down and what if we would have left 
her outside to run and play and just be a kitty?  Bringing them inside can be a 
double edged sword, they get love and warmth and food but they seem to always 
long for the days that they were outside and free :(
 
Edna
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Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ

2012-10-08 Thread Edna Taylor

Thank you 
 CC: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
From: ava...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 11:25:11 -0400
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ

My heart goes out to you, please be brave and know that you have done the best 
you could !

Sent from my iPhone.
On Oct 8, 2012, at 11:12, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

No, Edna, you did the right by taking her in!Strangely, I have never had a cat 
who longed to be outside – they never try to sneak out!  But, we have nice 
outdoor runs for them, maybe that’s their chance to get nose-to-nose with some 
wildlife who always seem to be either performing or teasing the cats!I am so 
sorry she’s not doing well!  She probably is ready to go – I feel that once the 
light has gone out of their eyes, let them go.Natalie From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 10:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ We have tried everything and nothing is working, she 
is not eating at all anymore and I believe she is ready to go.  She looks 
outside and in my heart I know she just wants to run free so we will let her go 
tonight.  It hurts to feel like we let her down and what if we would have left 
her outside to run and play and just be a kitty?  Bringing them inside can be a 
double edged sword, they get love and warmth and food but they seem to always 
long for the days that they were outside and free :(
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter

2012-10-08 Thread Edna Taylor

We use Tidy Cat scoopable litter and have ever since we got Momma Kat 17+ years 
ago.  We scoop twice a day, everyday and extra if someone drops a bomb.  While 
Tidy Cat does track worse than others, it does not have the dust that the 
others have.  So far, I don't think we have had any issues from it and I am 
sure the kitties like having a cleaner smelling box.  We have tried the wheat 
stuff, and the pine (OMG, that stinks to high heaven) and some other things but 
always go back to scoopable.  Unfortunately, when you have high numbers you 
have to use something that keeps your house from smelling like one giant poop.
  Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 16:31:24 -0400
 From: felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
 
 I use scoopable litter, but I use the dust free kind. Some scoopable
 litter is so dusty clouds of it billow up and this is obviously bad
 stuff.  I never use any scoopinig litter with small kittens, but 
 with as many grown cats as I have (total 24) I use very large litter 
 boxes and I simply can't lift them (to dump) when they are filled with 
 the clay litter. I have painful arthritis and I'm ancient... almost 80.
 
 I'd really like to hear from others on the list about who uses clay
 litter and who uses scoopable.  Fresh Step and Tidy Cat scoopable don't
 seem to have any dust at all, but it's scary to think scoopable litter
 is so bad.
 
 Lorrie
 
 
 On 10-08, Natalie wrote:
  
 Liter, especially clumping litter, should be banned - I have tons of
 info on it, how a company responded to a concerned cat owner, Buyer
 beware.  I discourage all my adopters from using it.  Sodium bentonite
 is fatal to cats if they inhale it, eat it, inadvertently when cleaning
 themselves - or kittens, while playing.
  
 People always seem to think that if something is expensive, it must be
 the best - and they want the best for their cats!  Hartz litter is
 pretty disgusting, too!
  
 Natalie
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter

2012-10-08 Thread Edna Taylor

What I would recommend when dumping and completely changing out litter is to 
use a plastic pitcher and scoop the litter out into another container, clean 
the box and then scoop it back and add fresh.  Also, if I am working on 
something that requires me to be bent over for a period of time, I use the: 2 
in 1 Large Steel-Framed 
Folding Garden Kneeler/Seat with Thick Foam Pad  
http://www.amazon.com/Large-Steel-Framed-Folding-Garden-Kneeler/dp/B004QBMZUM/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8qid=1349731118sr=8-5keywords=gardening+seat
  You can purchase it from amazon or from Home Depot or Lowes and it's great 
for kneeling on when painting baseboard because the legs act as a handle with 
which to push yourself back up OR you can sit on it while cleaning and/or 
scooping litterboxes.  It is very lightweight and you can drag it around to the 
different boxes :)
  Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 16:31:24 -0400
 From: felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
 
 I use scoopable litter, but I use the dust free kind. Some scoopable
 litter is so dusty clouds of it billow up and this is obviously bad
 stuff.  I never use any scoopinig litter with small kittens, but 
 with as many grown cats as I have (total 24) I use very large litter 
 boxes and I simply can't lift them (to dump) when they are filled with 
 the clay litter. I have painful arthritis and I'm ancient... almost 80.
 
 I'd really like to hear from others on the list about who uses clay
 litter and who uses scoopable.  Fresh Step and Tidy Cat scoopable don't
 seem to have any dust at all, but it's scary to think scoopable litter
 is so bad.
 
 Lorrie
 
 
 On 10-08, Natalie wrote:
  
 Liter, especially clumping litter, should be banned - I have tons of
 info on it, how a company responded to a concerned cat owner, Buyer
 beware.  I discourage all my adopters from using it.  Sodium bentonite
 is fatal to cats if they inhale it, eat it, inadvertently when cleaning
 themselves - or kittens, while playing.
  
 People always seem to think that if something is expensive, it must be
 the best - and they want the best for their cats!  Hartz litter is
 pretty disgusting, too!
  
 Natalie
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter

2012-10-08 Thread Edna Taylor

Yep, my college degree sits behind me at my desk doing me absolutely no good 
whatsoever ;)
 Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 14:19:58 -0700
From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter

I have 40 cats so any cat litter expense is going to be flushing money down the 
drain or into the garbage.  I use pine pellets which cost $6.00 for 40 lbs. at 
Tractor Supply.  At that price my cats can poop and pee in luxury.  The pine 
breaks down to a yellow powder though and I have to sweep it up all the time to 
prevent my cat room from looking like a weird beach because the cats dig and 
then track with their paws.  Yellow, yellow everywhere.  I use a light weight 
variable length squeegee to sweep because a broom just makes all that yellow go 
airborne. At least there is no initial dust up when I pour the pine and it 
really deodorizes the contents of the litter box unless I don't dump it often 
enough. I dump and wash and refill about every 3 days, scoop the poop every 
day. Lots of work.  For this I
 needed a college degree?

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From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 To:
 felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 3:31 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
   
I use scoopable litter, but I use the dust free kind. Some scoopable
litter is so dusty clouds of it billow up and this is obviously bad
stuff.  I never use any scoopinig litter with small kittens, but 
with as many grown cats as I have (total 24) I use very large litter 
boxes and I simply can't lift them (to dump) when they are filled with 
the clay litter. I have painful arthritis and I'm ancient... almost 80.

I'd really like to hear from others on the list about who uses clay
litter and who uses scoopable.  Fresh Step and Tidy Cat scoopable don't
seem to have any dust at all, but it's scary to think scoopable litter
is so bad.

Lorrie


On 10-08, Natalie
 wrote:
 
Liter, especially clumping litter, should be banned - I have tons of
info on it, how a company responded to a concerned cat owner, Buyer
beware.  I discourage all my adopters from using it.  Sodium bentonite
is fatal to cats if they inhale it, eat it, inadvertently when cleaning
themselves - or kittens, while playing.
 
People always seem to think that if something is expensive, it must be
the best - and they want the best for their cats!  Hartz litter is
pretty disgusting, too!
 
Natalie
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-05 Thread Edna Taylor

All very valid points.  Maybe I am one of those weird folks who just doesn't 
get angry or upset if someone votes a different way.  I guess that is why I 
always thought it was odd that people get so mad about politics or religion, 
cause I just don't care one way or the other ;) Also, any suggestions on making 
SuzieQ's last days comfortable (I posted about her yesterday, 2-3 year old, 
cancer, no cure, caused from exposure to FeLuk even though she was able to shed 
the virus, etc.)
 Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 09:16:13 -0700
From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President

I've never been a list moderator or been a position to direct anything except 
to try to direct a bunch of cats to use the litter boxes.  However, let me just 
add a bit of wisdom or non-wisdom, however you want to view it.  Discussing 
politics and religion usually causes minor skirmishes and major wars on any 
list or even in a group around the dinner table.  We all have opinions.  If the 
opinions are about food, clothing, the color of the freshly painted house down 
the street, why the neighbor would ever buy a Chihuahua/Great Dane mix dog or 
anything but religion and politics, we state our opinion, have a chuckle 
sometimes, compliment each other for being able to put a few words together in 
a sentence and go on with the day.  But just start a thread in a group about 
politics in an election year and all
 h*** breaks loose.  Even if half the list is in agreement that one or another 
candidate is a total screw-up, the other half of the list goes bananas and 
defends their total screw-up to the last flaming word.  Unfortunately this is 
because most people don't use logic and research to pick a candidate.  So what 
you get is pure emotion. Other people know deep inside that they are supporting 
someone who isn't exactly wonderful but they are not going to vote for that 
OTHER PARTY because mom, dad, grandma, granddad never voted for that PARTY. It 
is my opinion that most elections are based on who can sell the product better 
and the prejudice of the voters for or against the actual person.  I don't mean 
color or ethnic group although that also comes into the mix.  What I mean is 
that no one even goes to check out the facts.  Like we are now having a problem 
with whether Romney strapped his dog carrier to the top of his car.  Or
 in the past, whether Mr. Obama was a citizen of the United States, or whether 
he was a secret Muslim. These are all smoke screens to keep people from 
thinking about real issues, like the price of food constantly going up, how 
much money  the oil companies are actually making when they raise the price of 
gas every time someone mentions Iran or Iraq or any other issue  important to 
our daily lives.  If I spend an hour doing a search on how many bills were 
passed by the candidates that benefited me or took away something for me, I 
would do much better as an informed voter than if I spent my time reading about 
Romney's dog or Obama's birth certificate.  This, I think, is why we get angry 
with someone who has an opinion that does not match ours.  We are not really 
solidly informed before we take the opinion in the first place.  Like standing 
on the edge of a cliff, afraid that someone will push us off and lying to 
ourselves that
 if we scream loud and long enough, we won't lose our balance.  Maybe we should 
just stick to cats and trade information on how to make their lives better and 
longer.

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From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:22 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
   


 


 


This is why I don't think we should be discussing this on this list.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Lorrie 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:59 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
  
It is true.  

On 10-04, Terri Brown 
  wrote:
I don't know where you heard that Lorrie, but 
  it's not true.
 
Terri
 
  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again

2012-10-05 Thread Edna Taylor

REALLY?  Y'all think so?  I don't think anyone is being mean and hateful, but 
then again, I tend to see the positive side of most things :) Anywho, I'll ask 
again DOES anyone have any advice on things I can do to make SuzieQ more 
comfortable in her last days.  She is 2-3 years old, was diagnosed with a 
rapidly advancing cancer a couple of weeks ago, doctor said she was exposed to 
FeLuk as a kitten even though she was able to shed the virus but there is 
nothing we can do because the cancer has already compromised her liver, etc.  
Anyone have any pearls of wisdom to share
 From: moonv...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 13:46:04 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life - I 
joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed because the 
people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  



On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote:

I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I 
have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I 
realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send 
people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were 
not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just 
needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has 
always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news 
the knowledge that there is always hope.


 


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee 
Evans



Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)


 Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get 
back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to 
the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here.  
We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to cool down by 
having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who 
understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test 
FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group.  We all 
agree on the religion but we may all approach it in a different way and see it 
in a different way and even get way off topic and discuss hair styles and shoe 
styles.




If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will 
discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you with 
your issue.  Blessings.


  Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
neighbors too!


 


From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com



To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)


 This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental people 
that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this 
list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the 
world hunt—they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then 
the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information 
about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It 
is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the 
list in the first place.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again

2012-10-05 Thread Edna Taylor

She does get nauseous a lot and we have her on some strong pain meds.  She is 
losing so much weight but I give her Fancy Feast and love on her.  Unlike dogs, 
cats are such picky eaters to begin with :(  I wish she would eat burgers and 
fries. The vet who diagnosed her has been our vet for a long time and I 
absolutely trust her.  I knew something was wrong with SuzieQ because she just 
wasn't acting like herself and she was a bit thinner and then Dr. M found a big 
mass in her abdomen, did surgery and took a biopsy, it came back cancer :( I 
try to give her lots of attention but unfortunately Frank goes out of town so 
much and I work full-time so when I get home I have to clean up and take care 
of everyone else and then I try to spend extra time alone with her :(
 From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:40:20 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again





Give SusieQ lots of pain meds and ice cream.  Oh wait, that's my prescription.

 

I guess all you can do is keep her happy and feeling good as long as possible.  
You just address each problem as it comes up.  Anything specific going on right 
now?  I know when the liver starts going it makes them nauseated.  There's some 
meds that can help with that if she's feeling good otherwise.  Do you really 
trust this vet?  You could always get a second opinion if there's any doubt in 
your mind that he might have misdiagnosed her.  Hard to tell you what to do 
without knowing if there is something specific bothering her right now.  Heard 
accupuncture helps with pain and different things but it depends on whether 
she's having pain right now.

 

If there really is nothing left to do just give her anything she wants even if 
you normally wouldn't give it to them.  When my dog had cancer we went to 
Burger King and Dairy Queen a lot.  I cooked anything I could think of that he 
might really like.  We had salmon fillets, talapia, etc.  Anything he wanted or 
anything I thought he might want he got.  But most especially I held him and 
loved on him.  Same with the cats.  They got lots of extra attention.

 

 

  I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 




From: taylore...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 13:52:10 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again




REALLY?  Y'all think so?  I don't think anyone is being mean and hateful, but 
then again, I tend to see the positive side of most things :)
 
Anywho, I'll ask again DOES anyone have any advice on things I can do to make 
SuzieQ more comfortable in her last days.  She is 2-3 years old, was diagnosed 
with a rapidly advancing cancer a couple of weeks ago, doctor said she was 
exposed to FeLuk as a kitten even though she was able to shed the virus but 
there is nothing we can do because the cancer has already compromised her 
liver, etc.  Anyone have any pearls of wisdom to share
 




From: moonv...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 13:46:04 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life - I 
joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed because the 
people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  


On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote:




I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I 
have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I 
realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send 
people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were 
not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just 
needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has 
always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news 
the knowledge that there is always hope.
 


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee 
Evans
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)


 

Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get 
back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to 
the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here.  
We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to cool down by 
having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who 
understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test 
FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group.  We all 
agree 

Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread Edna Taylor

My vet frowns on using any dog flea product on cats because she said even 
though it is the same ingredients, the portions of the same ingredients may be 
different.  However, I understand that when we have many it is costly.  Heck, 
we brought home a kitty that had walking mange (chewing lice - lovely) and in 
an overabundance of caution we put Advantage (or Revolution, can't remember) on 
everyone and it was about $400 to dose everyone in the house - YIKES
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:48:35 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products





Also - don't get Advantage Multi for Dogs and break it down for cats.  Regular 
Advantage for dogs is okay to break down for cats but don't use the Multi.  
Some extra ingredient in there is bad news for cats.  Obviously the cat Multi 
is okay.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 




Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 11:32:14 -0700
From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products


Of course you should ALWAYS ask a vet what the dosage is and what product is 
safe for cats.  If you look at the label of Revolution and of Frontline Plus, 
you will see that the ingredients are exactly the same for dogs as for cats but 
not the dosage.  So you have to get the dosage correct.  With Revolution, it 
would be 0.035 and for Frontline, it's 0.05. You need to talk to your vet about 
this and explain that you are on a very limited budget with cats who need flea 
treatment and ask for the dose from her/him.  If your vet doesn't want to do 
that, there are FILES at feral_c...@yahoogroups.com that explain dosages.  
Those of us who are caring for multiple cats really can't afford $16 a dose of 
flea treatment for each of 20 to 40 cats each month.  I have a measuring 
syringe with the exact dosage marked off in permanent ink pen.  You MUST read 
labels and compare the dog product ingredients to the cat product ingredients.  
You're right that Advantix is deadly for cats because there's an extra one or 
two ingredients added that are only safe for dogs.  I distrust the generic or 
store brand that says that it works as good as whatever you are buying it to 
replace.  Sometimes, these products are NOT as good.  So you have to be careful 
or you will have a cat full of fleas AND fleas product.  AND PLEASE, whatever 
you do, don't buy Hartz products.  They are a company that doesn't care if 
animals die from their terrible flea and tick products or are paralyzed for 
life.




 
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too!










From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products




This is why off-topic posts should be kept off list. I almost deleted this 
because the subject line said President
The Advantage dosage I have used for years  got from my vet is  .4 if the cat 
is 8lb or under .8 is over 8lbs

Just remeber the dosage is different if you are using Advantage or Frontline.  
make sure you are using a product that is safe on cats. MOST OF THE NEW DOG 
PRODUCTS ARE NOT OK TO USE ON CATS - EG. ADVANTIX


Beth



 
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From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President




What I do is buy the Large Dog size Frontline Plus and break it into 0.05 
doses.  Each tube that would treat one dog, treats seven cats.  Since I have a 
lot of cats, I buy the 6 pack, which costs me about $60 at Costco.  I can treat 
42 cats.  It breaks down to about $1.45 a cat.  However, if you don't have a 
quantity of cats, you could buy the 3 pack.  I think it's about $32.  Each tube 
treats 7 cats.  I think another Yahoo list, feral_c...@yahoogroups.com has 
the information on how to dose out Frontline, Advantage and Revolution from the 
Large Dog size. Join and look in Files.



 
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From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President


I have a cat question:  I just bought some Advantage flea drops and whew, it's 
expensive.  I have 5 cats, one of which has a horrible flea-bite allergy.  
Usually I only have to use the drops in the summer months.  All the cats get 
the drops.  Does anyone have any suggestions on cheaper flea drop alternatives? 
 The cat with the flea-bite allergy is so sensitive, she can't even get the 
drops 

Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again

2012-10-05 Thread Edna Taylor

Thanks for the info and advice, I just called the vet to ask about anti-nausea 
meds
 From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 16:30:45 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again





Yeah, at the end even my dog didn't want to eat.  And oh boy don't I know how 
picky cats are compared to dogs!!!  Maybe she'd like sardines.  My cats like 
canned chicken too.  Of course chicken flavored baby food is always a hit.  
You've got to keep her eating something.  If she's still happy with Fancy Feast 
that's great.  Also, sometimes with cancer even if they're eating good they'll 
loose weight.  Forgot what it's called but the cancer keeps the body from 
absorbing the nutrients or it destroys the nutrients or something like that so 
basically a person with cancer can become malnourished even though they're 
eating good.
 
They have a couple things for nausea and she's definitely not going to eat if 
she's nauseous.  One drug is Cerenia and that's what my vet gave me but another 
good one is something called Ondansetron (generic name).  I heard about that 
through the feline kidney disease group.  Most of the members like the 
Ondansetron much better than Cerenia.  My vet didn't have it and he thought 
Cerenia was better but I told him I wanted a prescription for the other because 
the folks on the list recommended it.  You can order the Ondansetron from 
Thriving Pets website.  You just fax them your prescription.  Local pharmacies 
might have it too.  I think that's where I ended up getting it.  My cat had 
renal lymphoma, not regular old kidney failure which would have been better, 
and she went downhill so fast I never got a chance to see if the Ondansetron 
was better than Cerenia. 
 
Any little bit of extra time you can give her is great, even though you might 
not think it's enough.  Plus if she's feeling bad she probably only wants a 
certain amount of interaction so I'm sure the extra time you give her is enough 
to keep her happy.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 




From: taylore...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:46:37 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again




She does get nauseous a lot and we have her on some strong pain meds.  She is 
losing so much weight but I give her Fancy Feast and love on her.  Unlike dogs, 
cats are such picky eaters to begin with :(  I wish she would eat burgers and 
fries.
 
The vet who diagnosed her has been our vet for a long time and I absolutely 
trust her.  I knew something was wrong with SuzieQ because she just wasn't 
acting like herself and she was a bit thinner and then Dr. M found a big mass 
in her abdomen, did surgery and took a biopsy, it came back cancer :(
 
I try to give her lots of attention but unfortunately Frank goes out of town so 
much and I work full-time so when I get home I have to clean up and take care 
of everyone else and then I try to spend extra time alone with her :(
 




From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:40:20 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again




Give SusieQ lots of pain meds and ice cream.  Oh wait, that's my prescription.
 
I guess all you can do is keep her happy and feeling good as long as possible.  
You just address each problem as it comes up.  Anything specific going on right 
now?  I know when the liver starts going it makes them nauseated.  There's some 
meds that can help with that if she's feeling good otherwise.  Do you really 
trust this vet?  You could always get a second opinion if there's any doubt in 
your mind that he might have misdiagnosed her.  Hard to tell you what to do 
without knowing if there is something specific bothering her right now.  Heard 
accupuncture helps with pain and different things but it depends on whether 
she's having pain right now.
 
If there really is nothing left to do just give her anything she wants even if 
you normally wouldn't give it to them.  When my dog had cancer we went to 
Burger King and Dairy Queen a lot.  I cooked anything I could think of that he 
might really like.  We had salmon fillets, talapia, etc.  Anything he wanted or 
anything I thought he might want he got.  But most especially I held him and 
loved on him.  Same with the cats.  They got lots of extra attention.
 
 
  I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 











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Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again

2012-10-05 Thread Edna Taylor

I have been trying that, she eats just a smidge and then turns away :(  Thank 
you :)  Poor thing is just wasting away and I feel so helpless :(
  Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 17:58:20 -0400
 From: ti...@mindspring.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again
 
 You can try gerber stage2 baby food...the meat kind (ham, beef, turkey, etc). 
 Not all thw nutrition a cat needs but it gets them something. 
 
 Christiane Biagi
 Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G
 
 Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:
 
 
 Thanks for the info and advice, I just called the vet to ask about 
 anti-nausea meds
  From: molvey...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 16:30:45 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again
 
 
 
 
 
 Yeah, at the end even my dog didn't want to eat.  And oh boy don't I know 
 how picky cats are compared to dogs!!!  Maybe she'd like sardines.  My cats 
 like canned chicken too.  Of course chicken flavored baby food is always a 
 hit.  You've got to keep her eating something.  If she's still happy with 
 Fancy Feast that's great.  Also, sometimes with cancer even if they're 
 eating good they'll loose weight.  Forgot what it's called but the cancer 
 keeps the body from absorbing the nutrients or it destroys the nutrients or 
 something like that so basically a person with cancer can become 
 malnourished even though they're eating good.
  
 They have a couple things for nausea and she's definitely not going to eat 
 if she's nauseous.  One drug is Cerenia and that's what my vet gave me but 
 another good one is something called Ondansetron (generic name).  I heard 
 about that through the feline kidney disease group.  Most of the members 
 like the Ondansetron much better than Cerenia.  My vet didn't have it and he 
 thought Cerenia was better but I told him I wanted a prescription for the 
 other because the folks on the list recommended it.  You can order the 
 Ondansetron from Thriving Pets website.  You just fax them your 
 prescription.  Local pharmacies might have it too.  I think that's where I 
 ended up getting it.  My cat had renal lymphoma, not regular old kidney 
 failure which would have been better, and she went downhill so fast I never 
 got a chance to see if the Ondansetron was better than Cerenia. 
  
 Any little bit of extra time you can give her is great, even though you 
 might not think it's enough.  Plus if she's feeling bad she probably only 
 wants a certain amount of interaction so I'm sure the extra time you give 
 her is enough to keep her happy.
 
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
  
 
 
 
 
 From: taylore...@msn.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:46:37 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again
 
 
 
 
 She does get nauseous a lot and we have her on some strong pain meds.  She 
 is losing so much weight but I give her Fancy Feast and love on her.  Unlike 
 dogs, cats are such picky eaters to begin with :(  I wish she would eat 
 burgers and fries.
  
 The vet who diagnosed her has been our vet for a long time and I absolutely 
 trust her.  I knew something was wrong with SuzieQ because she just wasn't 
 acting like herself and she was a bit thinner and then Dr. M found a big 
 mass in her abdomen, did surgery and took a biopsy, it came back cancer :(
  
 I try to give her lots of attention but unfortunately Frank goes out of town 
 so much and I work full-time so when I get home I have to clean up and take 
 care of everyone else and then I try to spend extra time alone with her :(
  
 
 
 
 
 From: molvey...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:40:20 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again
 
 
 
 
 Give SusieQ lots of pain meds and ice cream.  Oh wait, that's my 
 prescription.
  
 I guess all you can do is keep her happy and feeling good as long as 
 possible.  You just address each problem as it comes up.  Anything specific 
 going on right now?  I know when the liver starts going it makes them 
 nauseated.  There's some meds that can help with that if she's feeling good 
 otherwise.  Do you really trust this vet?  You could always get a second 
 opinion if there's any doubt in your mind that he might have misdiagnosed 
 her.  Hard to tell you what to do without knowing if there is something 
 specific bothering her right now.  Heard accupuncture helps with pain and 
 different things but it depends on whether she's having pain right now.
  
 If there really is nothing left to do just give her anything she wants even 
 if you normally wouldn't give it to them.  When my dog had cancer we went to 
 Burger King and Dairy Queen a lot.  I cooked

Re: [Felvtalk] Asking For Advice Again

2012-10-05 Thread Edna Taylor

Oh, I didn't even think of that, I have used it for my other cats for that very 
thing and forgot all about it THANKS :)   I did the same thing with Miller, put 
him through horrible chemo, made his last few weeks here miserable and within 
three weeks of the first chemo treatment, he was gone :(  I vowed then that I 
would never do that again.  That is why I was asking what others do to make 
their furbabies comfortable in the end.  Miller was so miserable and I just 
made it worse and I will never forgive myself for that :(
 Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:17:28 -0700
From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Asking For Advice Again

Certain antihistamines that are given to cats are also an appetite 
stimulant.  Chlorpheneramine is one.  I think it's a little yellow pill 
if I remember correctly.  It's better than giving cortisone which also 
increases appetite but I believe would be contraindicated for a cat who 
has a malignant tumor.  You need to ask your vet about this.  It has no 
harmful side effects as far as I can remember.  I gave it to a cat who 
had terminal salivary gland cancer and it kept her eating right up until
 the end, that and anti- nausea drugs because she had had a chemo pill 
every week for several months to stop the growth of the tumor. I have 
since decided that that treatment, the chemo pill was a waste of $2000. 
 Another cat who had a tumor in a different location lived just about as
 long as Baby Face,
 without getting chemo. Chemo is also very hard on other organs, causing
 diarrhea, fur loss and exhaustion.

 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
neighbors too!


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Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw

2012-10-04 Thread Edna Taylor

Lorrie,  I agree with you 100%.  My Mom has wanted to adopt several kittens I 
have had in the past and I have always told her NO because she declaws, then 
she complains that her cats aren't as sweet and social as they were when they 
were kittens and I say that's because you tortured and mutilated them, good 
going Mom.  That is one position that I will NOT back down from and I don't 
care if it hurts my Mom's feelings because she should have never done it in the 
first place and for what? furniture?  pppft.  Don't get 
me wrong, I love my Mom but I don't agree with what she did.  Declawing is 
cruel and inhumane :( Joslin,  I am sorry for your loss of Zoey :(
Edna
 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 06:10:58 -0700
From: joslinir...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw

I no longer declaw my cats, Zoey passed away a week ago, I no longer declaw my 
cats.  
From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 7:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw
   

You declawed your cat?  I will send you some information about
this.  It is NOT a good thing to do.

People don't realize what's involved when a cat is declawed. They
think it's just a manicure, but it's actually amputation of the
digit of each toe along with the nail.  It's a very serious and
excruciatingly painful surgery to inflict on cats and kittens. It 
is in fact ten different amputations!

Because some veterinarians advocate it, to make extra $$$, people
believe that there are no risks involved and think it's merely a
simple procedure.  It is NOT.  

Veterinarians who perform this surgery do not tell people that this
surgery can cause all or a combination of all the following
Personality changes, such as withdrawal, unpredictability  biting
(they now feel helpless, as biting is their only means of defense).
The most common problem with declawed cats is
 urinating and 
defecating outside of the litter box.  The reason is that it is
extremely painful to step on litter after the surgery, and in many
cases a cat will never use it's box again.

Walk into any shelter and you'll see many declawed cats there who
have been given up, due to one or more of the above reasons.

Here's a perfect example:  We know of a couple who, when expecting a
baby, had their two adult cats declawed; what they got instead, was
far more dangerous to a baby than scratching - unpredictable and
serious biting! They had no choice but to have their cats of 6
years killed because no one in their right mind would adopt them.

Cats need claws for many reasons During play her claws snag
flying toys out of the air and hold them in place. A cat uses claws
to scratch an itch, manipulate catnip mice, grip a narrow catwalk,
hoist her body up to a high-up perch.  Most
 important of all, claws
are lifesavers, enabling a cat to climb to safety or thwart an
attacker if she should get outside by accident.

All this and much more is lost when a cat is declawed.

Unlike routine recoveries, including recovery from neutering
surgeries, which are fairly peaceful, declawing surgery results in
excruciating pain.  Cats huddle in the corner of the recovery cage,
immobilized in a state of helplessness, overwhelmed with pain.
Declawing is a major operation. The patient is first put under
general anesthesia, as the pain would be torturous without it. A
tourniquet is placed around the first paw to be declawed. The
veterinarian then performs a series of ten amputations. Each
amputation removes the claw and the bone into which it is firmly
rooted. The supporting tendons and ligaments for each claw are
severed. The surrounding soft tissue and flesh is cut off, and a
veterinary
 technician bandages up kitty's paws to soak up the blood.
Kitty is now declawed. The retractable claws that she would have used
throughout her life for scratching, playing, walking, and self
defense lie in a heap on the table, waiting to get thrown out
with the trash.

Declawing Sites

www. stopdeclaw.com a powerful anti-declaw site.

http://www.declawing.com/ -- veterinarian Christianne Schelling describes
declawing in plain English.

http://www.de-clawing.com/

http://www.declaw.com/

http://www.catscratching.com/

Declawing has been banned in over 20 other countries. I think the 
only reason it's still
 done here is vets make a lot of money from it,
plus people are uninformed about how cruel and painful it is.


On 10-03, Joslin Potter wrote:
You make a good point Natialie, When we took Zoey in to be fixed and
declawed we didn't realize that in a few months when he was dx with
FeLV that we would be seeing them a lot more often then planned, I also
recommened them to everyone and sometimes get discounts for refering
friends. 



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Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-04 Thread Edna Taylor

Why is that?  I believe that people can have different opinions yet still be 
friends and get along and discuss their differences nicely.   I am liberal in 
some things but conservative in others, I do not vote based on party 
affiliation, I vote based on what that one particular candidate has to offer.  
Sometimes I vote Democrat, sometimes I vote Republican, it all depends on the 
issues at hand.
 From: siggies...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:51:25 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President









I think this topic should be off limits here.
 
Terri

  - Original Message - 
  From: Joslin 
  Potter 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:49 
  AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] President
  

  
  Hey guys not to get off 
  from subject but I was interested in what everyone thinks about 
  the Presidential Canidates, is their a reason why one 
  should choose one over the other? Obama pledges support for 
  nearly every animal protection bill currently pending in Congress, and says 
he 
  will work with executive agencies such as the U.S. Department of Agriculture 
  to make their policies more humane, according to Global Philosophy. However 
  Mitt Romeny  has made no clear statements or policies on animal issues. 
  Reports also show that Romney has received thousands in campaign donations 
  from the HSUS. However, he has done a few things in his state for better laws 
  in reference to animal cruilty. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-04 Thread Edna Taylor

Thanks for sharing that with us because I have wondered how someone in the 
healthcare industry felt about it.   Speaking from the perspective of someone 
whose husband lost his job 3 days before Christmas in 2008 and all of the 
promises made by the current administration to help with mortgages, 
healthcare, etc., I'm not seeing it, nor were we helped in any size, shape or 
fashion.   With regards to healthcare, we were told that because I had a full 
time job, I could (in a nutshell) s*ck it up and pay out an additional $500 a 
month to cover my husband and his son on my company's insurance plan until he 
found a job. We were also told that we had too much equity in our home so we 
didn't qualify for any mortgage assistance and in the end, I simply borrowed 
from his and my 401K and we just made ends meet until 15 months later he found 
full time employment. So, who is the better candidate?  I really don't know  :( 
Oh and to keep on track with kitty discussions for this group and speaking of 
FeLuk, one of our kitties that we thought was feral but ended up not being 
feral, so we brought her inside was diagnosed with a rapidly advancing cancer a 
few weeks ago and she is only about 2-3 years old.  The doctor said that the 
type of cancer she has indicates that she was exposed to FeLuk as a kitten but 
managed to shed the virus since she does not have it.  Unfortunately, it did 
its damage anyway :(  SuzieQ has maybe a month to live so we are making her 
comfortable and loving on her until she lets us know that she is ready to cross 
over :(
 From: siggies...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:33:27 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President







Well, I have a different take on the whole healthcare thing because I work 
for a health insurance company.  I understand how the business works.  
That being said, there are good things about the Obamacare, but there are 
some 
things that are NOT.  So I disagree that it should stand as it is.  It 
needs to be replaced.  My opinion.  I cannot speak on behalf of my 
employer.
 
Terri

  - Original Message - 
  From: Joslin 
  Potter 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:29 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
  

  
  I'm sorry to hear that, I've been taking it from people on facebook 
  as I am just trying to understand what each of them is for. For me it's 
  healthcare, that is what intrests me the most however, when it comes to 
people 
  like Mike Vick, there need to be better laws put into place, i just wondered 
  how everyone else felt, no judgement from me. Like i told a friend, we hall 
  have and know something someone else might not. 
  

  
  
  
  From: Terri Brown 
  siggies...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 
  2012 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: 
  [Felvtalk] President


  
  
  

  
  
  I've had family members BASH me for my beliefs.  So I prefer not to 
  discuss politics, especially with people who don't really know me.
   
  T
  
- 
Original Message - 
From: 
Edna 
Taylor 
To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: 
Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:21 PM
Subject: 
Re: [Felvtalk] President


Why is that?  I believe that people can have different 
opinions yet still be friends and get along and discuss their 
differences nicely.   I am liberal in some things but 
conservative in others, I do not vote based on party affiliation, I vote 
based on what that one particular candidate has to offer.  
Sometimes I vote Democrat, sometimes I vote Republican, it all depends 
on the issues at hand.
 



From: 
siggies...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 4 
Oct 2012 10:51:25 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President





I think this topic should be off limits here.
 
Terri

  - 
  Original Message - 
  From: 
  Joslin 
  Potter 
  To: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: 
  Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:49 AM
  Subject: 
  [Felvtalk] President
  

  
  Hey guys not to get 
  off from subject but I was interested in what everyone thinks about the 
  Presidential Canidates, is their a reason why one 
  should choose one over the other? Obama pledges support for nearly every 
  animal protection bill currently pending in Congress, and says he will 
  work with executive agencies such as the U.S. Department of Agriculture 
to 
  make their policies more humane, according to Global Philosophy. However 
  Mitt Romeny  has made no clear statements or policies on animal 
  issues. Reports also show that Romney has received thousands in campaign 
  donations from the HSUS. However, he has done a few things in his state 
  for better laws in reference to animal cruilty

Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia

2012-09-26 Thread Edna Taylor

No fluids?  WHAT?  they won't let someone die via assistance but it's OKAY to 
let them suffer without fluids?   That is wrong on SO many levels :(
  From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 08:24:19 -0500
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
 
 My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids.
 
 Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 
 2010. 
 
 On Sep 26, 2012, at 5:43 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 
  On 09-25, Marcia wrote:
  
  My 3 other siblings and I took care of my Mom for 3 weeks while she died
  at home. Her request(: hospice said no fluid, so she laid there with
  nothing all that time, struggling to breath, to swallow. Etc. I only cried
  one time during that 3 weeks, because I had a job to do that required
  quite a bit of mental strength and clarity. The day I broke down was when
  Timothy McVay was euthanized. I cried because my mother was suffering and
  that son of a bitch died effortlessly. People should have that choice and
  in some countries they do. But not here in the land of the free.
  
  That must have been a terrible expeience for you Marcia.  Wasn't she given
  fluids by mouth and morphine?  
  
  As for McVay - He should have been tortured to death!  Criminals also
  get free surgery and all the other things we don't get.
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia

2012-09-26 Thread Edna Taylor

They just want to get as much MONEY from the family and their insurance company 
as they can :(
  Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 12:57:47 -0400
 From: felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
 
 I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only
 got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that.  Hospice is usually
 very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't.  Never go to
 a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive
 and they never give patients enough pain medication.  I've worked
 in hospitals and heard patients crying and moaning with no relief,
 because doctors are afraid patients might get addicted. 
 This ridiculous when the person is gonna die anyway!!  
 
 
 On 09-26, Marcia Baronda wrote:
  My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] NY Times: Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough

2012-09-25 Thread Edna Taylor

personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their suffering.  
What quality of life does someone have who simply lays in bed in a vegetative 
state?  Who are we keeping that person alive for?  to what end?  If it were me, 
and I had some life ending disease or accident, I would want my husband to use 
what money we had, go out and get as much booze and coke as he could get and 
let me go out with a bang ;)  But then again, that is just my opinion ;)
 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 11:51:19 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] NY Times: Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough

Very informative an interesting article, and make sure you check out the ones 
available within the copy, too! 
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/opinion/sunday/deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough.html?src=meref=general
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] 2 Darling Devils..

2012-09-18 Thread Edna Taylor

We have two cats at our house that had Calici when we rescued them and it 
should not be a lifelong stigma because once they are over it and continue to 
get an FVRCP vaccination every year there should be no issues.  Also, if they 
are adopted into a household with other cats and those cats are vaccinated, 
there should not be a problem with them either. I have never heard of anyone 
not wanting to adopt a cat because he/she had the flu when he/she was a kitten. 
 Basically, that is what the Calicivirus is, the flu, and while it CAN (and 
often does) kill a cat, not adopting because a cat was once sick seems 
ludicrous to me.   Send me some pictures and I will circulate them
Edna Texas Siamese RescueFrom: linda.dem...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:41:24 -0400
Subject: [Felvtalk] 2 Darling Devils..





Hello Everyone,
I am writing to you all in hopes that I may reach a broader group of wonderful 
people.  Over 6 months ago I rescued 2 kittens that are both negative for 
fiv/felv but had the calisi virus and were scheduled for euthanasia.  They were 
from different litters and grouped together.  I went in an scooped them up and 
spent close to 1000dollars on treatment medication vaccinations neuter 
microchip etc.  They are now healthy and ready for a new home...problem is they 
are about 6.6 months old and I have had zero interest in them.  I am willing to 
do out of state adoptions, but I will not make any exceptions on a vet 
reference and a home visit...which is what I am requesting.These guys are 
awesome and I would love for them to be adopted together because they have 
bonded so well, however I will not deny either one of them a good home because 
of this.  I am in it for the long haul...I just really need help advocating 
their adoption because apparently there is some stigma attached to them due to 
the calisi they had as babesany and all positive and constructive advise is 
super duper appreciatedthank you all...and God Bless!
Linda Demiri  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Barnaby in your thoughts

2012-09-18 Thread Edna Taylor

I am so very sorry :(  Keeping him in my prayers
 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:28:19 -0700
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please keep Barnaby in your thoughts

One of my FeLV foster cats, Barnaby, was adopted last week. His adopters kept 
him in a bathroom for 2 days (they were told to give him at least 2 weeks to 
get used to being moved)  then let him out in a house. He immediately went in 
a crawl space in the basement. The space is inaccessible. He has not eaten food 
that has been left in the ceiling. This is going on a week now he has not had 
food or water. 
We are going over tonight to with a snake camera which can see into tight 
places. We have to decide whether to cut a hole in the side of the house or 
remove the bathtub.Please don't judge this persons involved. Just please keep 
him in your thoughts tonight.
Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] Check out An orphan baby raccoon. [VIDEO]

2012-06-01 Thread Edna Taylor

OMG, is the the cutest video EVER :)  LOVE when he is eating popcorn on the 
couch :)  Our house backs up to a forest reserve so we have many many raccoons 
that we feed in the backyard :)
 



Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 15:53:36 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Check out An orphan baby raccoon. [VIDEO]





Everyone, speaking of raccoons……adorable video!





Check out an orphan baby raccoon. [VIDEO]





 










An orphan baby raccoon. [VIDEO] 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-29 Thread Edna Taylor

You see, I saw his email saying that too, about us hoarders going to shelters 
and taking all the cats and then selling them for profit and might I just ask 
what effing planet are you from dude?  I have been involved in rescue for 
over 17 years and every year, I have the receipts to prove that we have spent 
upwards of $5,000 to $10,000 on fosters and that doesn't even include the 
litter, food, paper towels, weeks that I got up every two hours to bottle feed 
a baby only to have her pass because she was just too far gone when I got her. 
THEN, I ask ONLY an $85 adoption fee so you want to tell me where all this 
money is I am making?  How much do you sell your cats for?  Thousands?   So, 
yea SCR*W YOU!  YOU are the one breeding your cats for profit, while I am the 
one picking up their broken little bodies off the streets when people grow 
weary of having a pet and simply toss them aside.
 
Oh, and I don't HAVE to be nice to someone who immediately starts in with his 
YOU PEOPLE attitude when HE is the problem, not rescuers, we try to solve the 
problems HE creates.

Off my soapbox now ;)
Edna (I calls em as I sees em) Taylor 



Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 06:48:23 -0700
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats



Charles offered to take the cat. I have vet references, personal references,  
shelter references. 
I currently have 4 Feline Leukemia positive cats. 2 are foster cats for the 
shelter I work with. The other 2 were found by friends of mine. 

Sorry you think I am a bone-head jerk, who goes to shelters, pulls animals,  
resells them for a profit. Yeah, I wish...Most of the animals we pull from 
animal control end up costing us 3 or 4 times what we end up getting in 
adoption fees. We do it for the love of the animal. And many of these animals 
are purebreds.In fact some of the worst cases be have taken on have been 
purebred cats  retired breeding cats.
If you aren't making money on these cats, why are you doing it??? There are 
plenty of Bengals out there already looking for homes. A friend of mine just 
got one someone was looking to rehome.
I challenge you to work jut one day at a shelter  see what we go through for 
these abandoned animals. Animals who are only there because people were too 
bone-headed to spay  neuter.

 
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!

 






From: Charles Adams texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats





Hello Lorrie,


 I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this 
beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left 
open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about 
people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. 
They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads 
up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than lots of 
children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know who some 
of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message from God 
informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on this 
planet.


Charles Adams






From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote:

 I have to believe that the message from  Charles was someone's
 idea of a joke.  That email hit just about every red flag for the
 kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone.

It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is
exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this 
post thru rose colored glasses.


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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

2012-05-29 Thread Edna Taylor

Seems that Chuck is the one being rude (for the most part) and well, keeping 
his cat in a cage outside just doesn't seem like the type of person that REALLY 
cares about his cat, but hey, just my opinion.
 
Also, rescuers are entitled to get a bit miffed when someone is adding to the 
problem because ONLY 1 out of every 10 kittens born will find a home, the rest 
either die in the shelter or on the streets.  WE DON'T NEED MORE PEOPLE 
BREEDING CATS.  If you want to see some examples, I would be happy to put 
together a word document with the thousands of emails I get from the Houston 
area every day regarding need homes for these kittens/cats  list of cats to 
die today, etc. etc.
 



From: mckennas...@power-net.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 10:31:39 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home








What the hell kinda group did I join here? I thought this was suppose to be an 
information and support sight for people with kitties with FIV and FeLuk. Geez, 
people. I do not agree with breeding, but you’re not gonna change his mind by 
being nasty.


 

From: Natalie 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
 


Chuck – not only are you rudely calling list members jerks with their heads up 
their asses, now we’re a bunch of crooks who want to take that unfortunate 
future “breeder” cat to sell to another breeder, lining our own pockets; this 
may be your mentality – it’s not ours (if I may speak for everyone here on this 
one point).
There’s honesty and  there’s reality, and it’s not pretty. Here’s an analogy:  
If a murderer admits to killing someone, does that make him a good guy just 
because he was honest?  What’s your point – no, please don’t answer.
Just because the woman who sold you the FeLV+ cat pulled the wool over your 
eyes, you feel slighted, and now she’s the little tramp – you allowed yourself 
to be duped because you thought you could make a few bucks off this cat and 
yours, however, the loser in these cases is always  the female breeder cat.
I would be careful about using all those lovely epithets on this list’s 
members, who have tried hard with suggestions to help you. Have you even tried 
some of the very good suggestions from all the members who wrote on the subject?
I happen to care about cats, no matter whose they are.
 
http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=istry+of+FeLV+positive+cats+shelters
 
 


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Charles Adams
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
 


Come on people wake up and smell the damn coffee. I got this cat from some 
little tramp who goes to animal shelter posing to be someone who cares about 
the animals and promises to take care of them and then sells them the first 
chance she gets. Do you actually think I am going to trust some dirt bag that 
give me that story again. I may have been born recently but it wasn't last 
night. I have all of these so called do good savior to the animal population 
offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how long it would be 
before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her and then she would 
have to be re-homed again. You just can't trust anyone anymore. At least I am 
honest and telling you what I am doing with my cats.

 






From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:48 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
 



Is there a FIV rescue group that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like 
to find out more about her, go to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook 
page. They are calling her Miss Kristina. For now her photo and info is first 
on their page. She is a very beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped 
markings. I can't take her in but hoping a rescue can.

 

Thank you!

Lynda Wilson

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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-29 Thread Edna Taylor

AMEN BEN :)  YOU ROCK :)
 



From: drsiebl...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 08:46:30 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats


You might also consider, Charles, that most of us on this list have gone 
through the very painful experience of having lost a beloved cat to FeLV or FiV 
or both.  Personally, when my Dexter was suffering from the effects of this 
disease, I joined this list to find out different ways to help him and the 
people here were compassionate and kind.  Keeping him in a cage was never a 
consideration and I would have spent any amount of money possible to ease his 
pain and to help him feel better.


So, when you come here talking about your caged cats and your lost $300, you 
come off as a profiteer and someone completely clueless about cats in general.  
I've owned a purebred cat before - many years ago.  I would never have even 
considered a purebred raised in an environment such as the one you describe.  
Kittens need to be raised under foot; socialized with people and from cat 
parents who are treated with nothing but love as members of a family.  I'm not 
just making this up - go online and read a few webpages - successful breeders 
do this.  Successful breeders never make much money, either.  They are 
successful because their kittens are well socialized and integrate well into 
new households. Breeders who operate for quick financial gain with no regard to 
temperament never last long. 


So, let me be blunt:  if you are for real and you are treating your cats this 
way, you should be ashamed of yourself.  By the way, there are new puppy mill 
laws in Texas that apply to cat breeders - cage raising is prohibited by this 
law.  Also, keeping your FeLV girl outdoors?  Huge mistake.  She needs to be 
sequestered indoors where she can't spread the virus.  If money is all you care 
about, then I'll pay you the $300 you lost as well as $500 for your stud, if 
you surrender both of them to the kind lady from this who offered to take them 
in.  I'll do this if you promise to stay out of the breeding business.  Sadly, 
I doubt you'll take me up on this, but this is a real offer.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 29, 2012, at 7:04 AM, Charles Adams texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com wrote:






Hello Lorrie,


 I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this 
beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left 
open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about 
people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. 
They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads 
up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than lots of 
children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know who some 
of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message from God 
informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on this 
planet.


Charles Adams






From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote:

 I have to believe that the message from  Charles was someone's
 idea of a joke.  That email hit just about every red flag for the
 kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone.

It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is
exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this 
post thru rose colored glasses.


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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

2012-05-29 Thread Edna Taylor

And you know what?  Sometimes people just need to be called on their bad 
behavior, plain and simple.  As Atia2 pointed out Chuck seems to ONLY be 
concerned about how much money he is out.  He should take Ben up on his 
generous offer because at least then, those two cats would have a good, quality 
life, not one confined to a cage outside or just tossed to the elements to get 
pregnant and spread disease - sheesh.
 



Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 11:00:54 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home







You are right, this is a group for that purpose.  But have you had any reason 
to believe otherwise until just now? NO.
However, this topic is a sore point for most of the people in this group who 
are rescuers and caretakers of sick cats.
And please consider who is the rude on in these exchanges? Charles seems to 
care not about the illness and how to help the cat, but how to get rid of her 
and get his money back.
 


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of McKenna's
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:32 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
 



What the hell kinda group did I join here? I thought this was suppose to be an 
information and support sight for people with kitties with FIV and FeLuk. Geez, 
people. I do not agree with breeding, but you’re not gonna change his mind by 
being nasty.



 


From: Natalie 

Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:21 AM

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

 

Chuck – not only are you rudely calling list members jerks with their heads up 
their asses, now we’re a bunch of crooks who want to take that unfortunate 
future “breeder” cat to sell to another breeder, lining our own pockets; this 
may be your mentality – it’s not ours (if I may speak for everyone here on this 
one point).
There’s honesty and  there’s reality, and it’s not pretty. Here’s an analogy:  
If a murderer admits to killing someone, does that make him a good guy just 
because he was honest?  What’s your point – no, please don’t answer.
Just because the woman who sold you the FeLV+ cat pulled the wool over your 
eyes, you feel slighted, and now she’s the little tramp – you allowed yourself 
to be duped because you thought you could make a few bucks off this cat and 
yours, however, the loser in these cases is always  the female breeder cat.
I would be careful about using all those lovely epithets on this list’s 
members, who have tried hard with suggestions to help you. Have you even tried 
some of the very good suggestions from all the members who wrote on the subject?
I happen to care about cats, no matter whose they are.
 
http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=istry+of+FeLV+positive+cats+shelters
 
 


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Charles Adams
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
 


Come on people wake up and smell the damn coffee. I got this cat from some 
little tramp who goes to animal shelter posing to be someone who cares about 
the animals and promises to take care of them and then sells them the first 
chance she gets. Do you actually think I am going to trust some dirt bag that 
give me that story again. I may have been born recently but it wasn't last 
night. I have all of these so called do good savior to the animal population 
offering to take a cat off of my hands. I wonder just how long it would be 
before someone else lined their pocket with money off of her and then she would 
have to be re-homed again. You just can't trust anyone anymore. At least I am 
honest and telling you what I am doing with my cats.

 






From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:48 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home
 



Is there a FIV rescue group that can take a FIV positive kitty? If you'd like 
to find out more about her, go to Humane Society of Flower Mound Facebook 
page. They are calling her Miss Kristina. For now her photo and info is first 
on their page. She is a very beautiful cat with blue eyes and gorgeous stripped 
markings. I can't take her in but hoping a rescue can.

 

Thank you!

Lynda Wilson

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Re: [Felvtalk] last email I received

2012-03-28 Thread Edna Taylor

If everyone just wants a kitty update :)  We took Rascal P. Kat to Gulf Coast 
Veterinary Specialists  yesterday for hyperthyroidism.  He had a radioiodine 
treatment today and will be staying there for 3-5 days.  They said he should be 
right as rain once this is all done :)  Other than that, the Nuisance of Cats 
at our house is doing well and still determined to drive me crazy ;)
 
Edna
 
 

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 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:22:57 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] last email I received
 
 This is the last email I think I have receiveddated 3-22-12.
 
 
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 Cc: botha.marin...@gmail.com
 Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 9:07 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 23
 
 
  FIRST, make sure your new kitty is vaccinated and just to be safe, I would 
  sterilize food and water bowls, boxes and toys, or replace the toys, Easy 
  to get new milk bottle caps, cardboard boxes, rocks, etc.
 
 
   botha.marin...@gmail.com wrote:
  Ginger: we want to introduce a 12 week old kitty to our home. What 
  precautions should we take since my beloved Ginger kitty died of feline 
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  Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
 
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  So yesterday one of our former Sids kids Scarpetta had to be let gohe 
  was one sweet boy...I remember the first time meeting himI looked at 
  him, I told him boy you sure are an ugly kittyhe looked at me with 
  his loving beautiful eyes?and gave the sweetest yet strangest meowand 
  instantly he became one of the most beautiful cats I had the honor to 
  know and love...he had a wonderful home for about the last 6 months with 
  our wonderful volunteer Marcia...she has taken home several extra special 
  needs Sids kids and has lost them within this last year...bless her warm 
  heart for taking home some of the most wonderful cats
  ?
  Foley,oh Foley...he went home almost a year ago with Julie another 
  awesome kind hearted lady that also has taken home many special Sids kids 
  and have lost so many too recently...well this wonderful tiger boy left 
  this world today...my heart is broken...I was going to go visit him and 
  several of the other former Sids kids this sunday,,,but Julie sent me a 
  message today that she has to let him go...I will be getting a clay paw 
  print of his...he has a paw print in my heart as do all the wonderful 
  Sids kidsso much sadness lately. :( Bless you all...hug your 
  babies tight...
  Sherry
 
 
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  Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
  Unable to accept its awful gaps.
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Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch

2012-03-09 Thread Edna Taylor

The few places I have checked require a $10,000 stipend PER cat and that is 
what I would expect with health issues as cats get older.
 
 

 Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 06:58:55 -0500
 From: felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch
 
 On 03-07, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 
  $150.00 for life long care of a cat is not enough. The place I
  have chosen for my babies requests $400.00 per year per catX the
  number of years you expect the cat to live. This seams to be more
  in line consdering what I put out each year on my cats. 
 
 This is what alerted me to the problems ahead for Caboodle. When
 searching for a sanctuary for my cats a couple of years ago, I
 checked with them and when they said only $150. per cat I questioned
 them about this not being enough, and they got very defensive. Some
 sanctuaries like Tabby's Place in NJ, charge $15,000, which is very
 high but more realistic, as vet bills over the years can easily cost
 that much. I think there must be some good sanctuaries somewhere in
 between these prices.
 
 Lorrie
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Please add to the CLS :(

2012-03-09 Thread Edna Taylor

I am sorry for your loss :(
 



Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:30:16 -0800
From: sherryd...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Please add to the CLS :(






This morning we lost sweet scared S'Matterhe was quite the scaredy cat,but 
we did our best to calm his fears...he never really trusted us totally,but when 
I handed out treats I spotted him out of his hiding spot in the last couple 
monthstook pics to prove to others that he was a little braverwell I 
hope this wide eyed boy is calm and relaxed nowwe will miss you S'Matter  :(
Sherry


We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
than our own,
Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
We still would have it no other way
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dublin woke up from surgery blind

2012-02-15 Thread Edna Taylor

Anne, I am so sorry to hear about Dublin.  We have a kitty that has to be 
sedated when he goes to the vet and he came back home deaf recently after being 
sedated.  It  has taken him a while to adjust to not being able to hear and his 
personality certainly has changed.
 
I am sure you already know this but I would find the smallest bathroom to put 
him in while he tries to adjust :(  Poor little man, I am so very sorry.  
However, cats are very resilient and hopefully either his sight will come back 
or he will adjust quickly to his disability.

Edna
 



Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:32:06 -0600
From: anne.my...@uni.edu
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Dublin woke up from surgery blind

I am devastated -- my FeLV boy Dublin had major dental surgery yesterday to 
remove the rest of his teeth due to severe stomatitis and feline resorptive 
lesions (his third dental surgery in six months).  He came through OK it 
seemed, and his bloodwork turned out to be very promising (his mild anemia 
around December had reversed with his hematocrit in the middle of the normal 
range).  But something seemed off with agitation and his eyes and the vet 
realized that Dublin seems to be blind.  He did all the ocular tests they do 
and nothing physiologically can be found wrong -- no detached retina, no bleed, 
no evidence of hypoxia, etc.  But only his left eye is even minimally reactive 
to light.  The vet believes the blindness to be related to the FeLV, although 
I'm still totally confused about the suddenness of this all.

Dublin has always had something weird about his eyes -- the pupils stay mostly 
dilated and while they constrict a little it's definitely not like a normal 
cat.  I wondered if he had an eye problem and could see well even before I 
adopted him and learned he was FeLV+.  But he seemed to see fine.

While Dublin is physically stable he is apparently extremely agitated and the 
vet wants to keep him at the hospital until he settles down and begins to 
adapt.  He was with him until 10:30 last night and says that Dubbie has 
scarcely been out of a tech's arms since.  (He is the most loving, 
people-oriented cat, and is not stressed just from being at the vet -- it's 
almost a joke how much he likes it there.)  I am crazy with distress and also 
with anxiety about bringing him home (have another cat, pretty rowdy, and a 
dog), though everyone says blind cats can do well.

I'd appreciate any encouragement -- or in particular any insight into a 
FeLV-blindness link.

Anne

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Re: [Felvtalk] testing

2011-12-15 Thread Edna Taylor

I'm with you Lorrie.  We opted out of the hustle and bustle of buying gifts 
for each other and others in 2008 when Frank was laid off 3 days before 
Christmas :(  Now, we spend time with family and friends and our furbabies but 
we do not buy into the commercialism that Christmas has become.  

Edna
 

 Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:16:38 -0500
 From: felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] testing
 
 Hi James. Mail lhas been coming thru, but a bit less
 than usual. I think this is because people are frantically
 rushing around during the holiday season. Not me..
 
 My idea of a perfect Christmas is a quiet day at home with our 
 15 rescued cats.
 
 Merry Christmas to you and yours.
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 12-14, James G Wilson wrote:
  Hey all,
  
  Sorry for the extra mail. Just testing to be sure the list is 
  working as it should. Haven't seen any traffic for a few 
  days now. Hope all is well with everyone. Best wishes.
  
  James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Homey and her crystals

2011-12-14 Thread Edna Taylor

I have not been getting any posts lately?  I had to go back through my email to 
find this one
 

 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 From: ccarlsb...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 00:50:37 +
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Homey and her crystals
 
 I get hills c/d at any vet I stop into. I live in Los angeles. It has saved 
 my Tweetys life! He eats nothing else. 
 Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
 
 -Original Message-
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 18:39:51 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Homey and her crystals
 
 Homey's crystals are struvite, very few calcte. She geets fitered water in 
 fountains along with e other 6 cats in my house. We have 8 litter boxes tat 
 are scooped out at least 2 times a day. I use a corncob litter because it is 
 biodegradeble, doesn't track more than clay and hadles odors very well. I 
 hadeveryone on Blue Buffalo Duck and sweet potato mixed 1/2 with turkey and 
 sweet potato becauseCasey has troube with the dck, think it is to rich for 
 her (14 years old). The food was dry. Vet now has her on Hill's SD and gave 
 her a shot of Convenia antibiotic to get her started toward healing. He also 
 did Cystocentesis ad sent urine sample off for cultures (aerobic and 
 anaerobic) to determine exactly which bacteria was involved so he can 
 giveherthe right antibiotic. The shot and SD seem to be helping as urine 
 balls in boxes re all close to normal size, This is the 3rd timethis year, 
 that s why he did the cultures. The last time, she refused the SD, bt it had 
 been sitting on the floor of he van onthe way home so was nice and warm. She 
 and others ate it up. I also got some SD dry just in case she decides she 
 does not like the canned. Thought about mixing dry into wet. Where can I get 
 these other foods you menioned? As to cranberry, tried giving her some and 
 only way to get it in her was to spend 20 minutes trying to catch her and rub 
 t on her feet. Then she avoids me for at least 1 hr afterwards.
 
  jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote: 
  Forgive me as I have missed the beginning of this email thread. With
  respect to urinary crystals diet is huge. Every cat that has ever
  been brought to me with crystals has responded to diet with complete
  eradication of crystals (make sure you know what type of crystals
  you're dealing though). Raw diet is the key. If you can't do raw,
  the high quality canned foods like Fromm, Go, Wellness work quite
  well. You can still do some dry but it has to be the good stuff -
  Orijen or Fromm would be my recommendation. I always add some
  cranberry to it if they'll take it just to avoid UTIs. It takes about
  four weeks if the crystals are bad and in the meantime you have to
  make sure they do not become obstructed (that often takes vet strength
  food or catheter or suprapubic taps.
  
  Hope this helps.
  
  Jenny
  
  On 12/8/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
   In the course of conversation with Karen today, I mentoned that Hojey had
   crystas. She said her cat had same problem and a group Catwell on yahoo
   had helped her. They suggested Cantharis. You can get it at health food
   stoes. Her cat had been gven a death sentence and now is alive and 
   healthy.
   Anybody knw anyting about this?
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Homey and her crystals

2011-12-14 Thread Edna Taylor

Wish we could afford a raw diet but we have WY too many 
for that and we have a few whose glutton buttons don't have an off switch ;) 
so they eat what they have and move on to another plate :)
 

 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:09:12 -0600
 From: jb...@tds.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Homey and her crystals
 
 I have 't been getting much either lately. Didn't even see your email
 in response.
 
 As far raw diets go, I get nature's menu from a local store in
 Wisconsin. You would probably have to order via the web and have it
 sent. Otherwise, Bravo raw diet should be at most small holistic type
 animal stores. You can do a google search for where bravo is sold in
 your area. Fromm and Orijen should be at most of these types of
 animal stores as well. As far as the cranberry goes, I got the
 capsules with the powdered cranberry inside (you can get at any
 grocery store for the most part). I put a very small amount (about
 1/8th of the capsule and mix it in with the moist or raw food. Some
 cats absolutely refuse it so don't. If they absolutely refuse it, I
 have used plain canned tuna and mixed it in that. Otherwise Fromm has
 a diet with cranberry mixed in.
 
 I'm not a great fan of SD, but before I used the raw diet, I used the
 C/D and it did work and they did eat it, but it's just not as good for
 their overall health and the second I would use any other food the
 crystals came back. Raw diet allows for a wide variety of food types.
 Be warned, however, it will take one to two months before the problem
 truely resolves. I would leave out dry food like Fromm or Orijen if
 you do the grazing type feeding and then give raw every evening and
 canned wet in the morning mixing in the cranberry whenever possible,
 or some variation thereof.
 
 Hope that helps.
 
 Jenny
 On 12/14/11, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:
 
  I have not been getting any posts lately? I had to go back through my email
  to find this one
 
 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  From: ccarlsb...@gmail.com
  Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 00:50:37 +
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Homey and her crystals
 
  I get hills c/d at any vet I stop into. I live in Los angeles. It has
  saved my Tweetys life! He eats nothing else.
  Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
 
  -Original Message-
  From: dlg...@windstream.net
  Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 18:39:51
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Homey and her crystals
 
  Homey's crystals are struvite, very few calcte. She geets fitered water in
  fountains along with e other 6 cats in my house. We have 8 litter boxes
  tat are scooped out at least 2 times a day. I use a corncob litter because
  it is biodegradeble, doesn't track more than clay and hadles odors very
  well. I hadeveryone on Blue Buffalo Duck and sweet potato mixed 1/2 with
  turkey and sweet potato becauseCasey has troube with the dck, think it is
  to rich for her (14 years old). The food was dry. Vet now has her on
  Hill's SD and gave her a shot of Convenia antibiotic to get her started
  toward healing. He also did Cystocentesis ad sent urine sample off for
  cultures (aerobic and anaerobic) to determine exactly which bacteria was
  involved so he can giveherthe right antibiotic. The shot and SD seem to be
  helping as urine balls in boxes re all close to normal size, This is the
  3rd timethis year, that s why he did the cultures. The last time, she
  refused the SD, bt it had been sitting on the floor of he van onthe way
  home so was nice and warm. She and others ate it up. I also got some SD
  dry just in case she decides she does not like the canned. Thought about
  mixing dry into wet. Where can I get these other foods you menioned? As to
  cranberry, tried giving her some and only way to get it in her was to
  spend 20 minutes trying to catch her and rub t on her feet. Then she
  avoids me for at least 1 hr afterwards.
 
   jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote:
   Forgive me as I have missed the beginning of this email thread. With
   respect to urinary crystals diet is huge. Every cat that has ever
   been brought to me with crystals has responded to diet with complete
   eradication of crystals (make sure you know what type of crystals
   you're dealing though). Raw diet is the key. If you can't do raw,
   the high quality canned foods like Fromm, Go, Wellness work quite
   well. You can still do some dry but it has to be the good stuff -
   Orijen or Fromm would be my recommendation. I always add some
   cranberry to it if they'll take it just to avoid UTIs. It takes about
   four weeks if the crystals are bad and in the meantime you have to
   make sure they do not become obstructed (that often takes vet strength
   food or catheter or suprapubic taps.
  
   Hope this helps.
  
   Jenny
  
   On 12/8/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote

Re: [Felvtalk] [FeLVPositiveCats] A Place For Us

2011-11-29 Thread Edna Taylor

Leah, I am so sorry to hear about Buddy.  Binkey and Buddy are together 
snuggling and waiting for y'all at the Rainbow Bridge.

Edna
 



Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:21:30 -0500
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] [FeLVPositiveCats] A Place For Us








I am so sorry about Buddy!  
If you really want to ”talk” to him, have you considered contacting a really 
good animal communicator? I have been in contact with Binkey last week, who had 
to be euthanized this morning, and in a few days, will have my AC contact him. 
Binkey was a silver colored, long-haired gorgeous cat who was selfless and 
absolutely fantastic with people and other animals!
Natalie
 


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Wolf, Leah R.
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:20 PM
To: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] [FeLVPositiveCats] A Place For Us
 
  




This was just what I needed today.  My beloved Buddy, a felv+ Maine Coon whom I 
adopted nearly 6 years ago, died this morning.  He was about 9 years old, maybe 
more.  He had been abandoned at a shelter as a young cat and I adopted him to 
be a companion to my other positive cat.  I am grateful that the end came 
quickly and quietly, but I am heartbroken.  He was the best cat ever.  He came 
running when I called him, he slept every night In my bed and snuggled on my 
lap like a giant beanie baby, he got along patiently with the other cats we 
have taken in. He had no “meow”, just a croak, but had the most eloquent eyes.  
Many times I wished he could talk.  I know that a piece of him will be with me 
until we meet again. 
Leah


From: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sheila Coyle
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FeLVPositiveCats] A Place For Us
 








For those who have suffered a loss of a dear pet, this tribute is one of my all 
time most favorite compassionate, hopeful, and consoling readings.   


Credit to the writer:  Terri Onorato 

http://www.angelbluemist.com/aplaceforus.html









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Re: [Felvtalk] Autumn the cat

2011-11-08 Thread Edna Taylor

Susan, I am so sorry for your loss :(
 
Edna
 



Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 06:33:49 -0600
From: sea7...@gmail.com
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Autumn the cat

My cat Autumn died last night due to complications arising from Feline 
Leukemia. She was four years old. In her short life she was a joy to us, a 
beautiful, highly intelligent little cat. I can't believe she's gone. I had 
almost fooled myself into believing that I might get to keep her for a very 
long time, but the disease won. We are grief-stricken.  I joined this list in 
2007 after searching everywhere for information and support for FELV owners. 
I'm so glad it exists. I've drawn a lot of support and knowledge over the years 
- even when just lurking. I just wanted to add Autumn to the list. She was 
precious, loved to cuddle, watch Baby Einstein and steal pizza. My home will be 
so empty without her. I love you, baby girl. 
~Susan Ang

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Re: [Felvtalk] Sad news - Jack, the cat, dies

2011-11-07 Thread Edna Taylor

I have also used Continental several times to transport cats and I have never 
had a problem.  My heart goes out to Jack and his Meowmy :(  RIP little man :(
 



From: ti...@mindspring.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:12:32 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sad news - Jack, the cat, dies






The airlines just keep shooting themselves in the foot  animals suffer!  If 
only they would realize that there is this HUGE market out there for travelers 
who want to travel with their pet.  Why not take a couple of flights a week on 
major routes  have a couple of planes where animals of all sizes can be kept 
in cabin in crates.  I do, however, have to put a plug in for Continental—while 
I’m sure they’re not perfect, I’ve worked with a couple of shelters and we used 
them many times to transport animals to their adopters many miles away.  We’ve 
never had a problem…
 


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 7:06 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Sad news - Jack, the cat, dies
 
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/jack-cat-disappeared-jfk-airport-miraculously-reappearing-dies-5-article-1.973107
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] no regrets after doing this venture!

2011-10-04 Thread Edna Taylor

SPAM, don't click on the link
 



From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:36:02 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] no regrets after doing this venture!


What exactly is this?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp

2011-10-03 Thread Edna Taylor

FIV is a non-issue and there is no guarantee that either the Mom or babies 
contracted FIV from the male.  We had two outside ferals and the male had FIV, 
the female was pregnant when we caught her and had her fixed, she tested 
negative and after living outside with Charlie for a year (he went missing this 
past summer and we brought SuzieQ inside), she tested negative when we brought 
her inside.  Besides, even cats WITH FIV live a long and healthy life and the 
chances of giving it to another cat (if they are all fixed) is very slim.  FIV 
is INFECTIOUS, not contagious, big big difference.  You don't catch HIV from 
living with someone with HIV, only through blood and bodily fluids, same thing 
with FIV.

Edna
 



Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 06:39:41 -0700
From: bucfa...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp

i am on catster. do you mind if i send this post to a friend in califonia. they 
have a FIV+ cat, and know a lot about FIV




From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp







Please DO  NOT WORRY – if she or “husband” are FIV+, the kittens will be just 
fine!
Your vet knows NOTHING about FIV!  It’s a lot different than FeLV
I can guarantee that they will be fine.
DO NOT ABORT THIS LATE – each baby has to be taken out and killed!
I don’t have time to write now, but I can e-mail you personally later, if 
that’s OK!
I have had dozens of FIV mothers whose babies were ALL fine!
 


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of quinn gardner
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:30 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] pleasehelp
 

Hi
i have just found out tht my cat is pregnant 8.5wks to a stray that tested 
positive for feline aids
i was due to have her fixed but was a little to late as she is 8mths now.
The vet wants me to take her in to get an abortion is this the only way???
Do i have no other options?Is this the best thing to do??
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Re: [Felvtalk] Horton Please add to the CLS :*(

2011-10-03 Thread Edna Taylor

I am so glad you got to spend another year with him and I am so very sorry for 
your loss.

Edna
 



From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 08:57:04 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Horton Please add to the CLS :*(


Sherry,
I am so very sorry about Horton. It is so hard to see these beautiful beings 
devastated by this awful disease. His spirit is free now.


Take care
Marcia

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On Oct 1, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote:









Yesterday Dr. Jen had to let our sweet big gray guy Horton go. He became a Sids 
kid about 4 years ago and had escaped when somehow or someone ripped a screen 
out of a window. We searched the neighborhood day and night for several cats 
that got out,3 of them were never found and when last year it happened again we 
actually found Horton after 3 years of being missing !!! So we did have a 
chance to love him for a year. Now we take more caution on the downstairs 
windows...we lock and close them at night. Horton you will be missed.
Sherry


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[Felvtalk] Miller

2011-09-22 Thread Edna Taylor

Well, after trying one round of chemo last week Miller seemed to have a bit 
more pep in his step and was eating like a champ but then on Tuesday, he didn't 
want to eat so I force fed him and yesterday morning we took him in, vet gave 
him subQ fluids and vitamins.  I had an uneasy feeling all day and when I got 
home I immediately went to where I knew he would be, behind the entertainment 
center.  He wouldn't move, he would not lift his head and when I picked him up, 
he just hung limp in my arms.  I knew then that it was time to let him go.  
Fortunately, Dr. McCann was still at the office and she helped him cross over.  
We may still have a house full of furbabies but his leaving has left a hole in 
our hearts.
 
I shall see beauty but none to match your living grace, 
I shall hear music but none as sweet 
as the song with which you loved me, 
I shall fill my days but I shall not, cannot forget. 
Sleep soft, dear Miller. . .

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Re: [Felvtalk] Aslans FeLV cat sanctuary

2011-09-21 Thread Edna Taylor

People can donate money so she can get the prescription meds :)

Edna
 



From: moonv...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 10:18:14 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Aslans FeLV cat sanctuary

Also they should contact Petcothey give disaster grants


On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

Whoops...panacur strongid lysine mega c  syringes are not.





On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

Those medicines  are prescription...even the Ringers:(





On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:







Christiane jus posted a Facebook URL about Aslanscats FeLV Cat Sanctuary
Because our felvtalk cannot accept more than 20KB in a  MAILING, I WILL POST 
SOMETHING IN SEVERAL PARTS!
I FEEL THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO USE THIS GROUP IN THE FUTURE, TOO!






They need to replace all of these lost items, if anyone is in this are:

10  50lb bags of dry food  
15 litter boxes
30 cases of canned food
20 cat beds
cat trees and condos
scratching posts
She lost $3000 worth of medicines for the cats and now needs:
Lactated ringers solution, prozymes, Pen-g solution, baytril,
doxycycline, panacur, stongid, clavamox, lysine, mega C, 
1cc and 3cc syringes, 18 gauge needles and 21 gauge needles
TOWELS
 
Please go to www.aslanscats.org

Or send donations to:

Aslans cats,
486 west main street,
Catskill, NY  12414.

Please make checks payable to: aslans cats.


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Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
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http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*

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Please help Trooper!
 
http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper


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complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit 
down and shut up and allow the killing to continue.


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http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*

Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
 
Please help Trooper!
 
http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper


And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t 
complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit 
down and shut up and allow the killing to continue.


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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke

2011-09-21 Thread Edna Taylor

I would adopt to a smoker before I would to someone who declaws.
 



Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:31:32 -0700
From: bucfa...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke

I smoke, and have had Tigger for almost 5 years now. FeLV+, and STILL showing 
no signs of sickness




From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke






Hi,
 
We have someone interested in adopting our FeLV+ boy and it sounds like a great 
home, but the gentleman smokes. Does anyone know if this would be a 
considerable risk for a FeLV cat? I know smoke isn't good for humans or cats, 
but I'm wondering if the FeLV would complicate matters. Other than that, it 
sounds like a great home. He'd be a companion to a homebound gentleman who's 
looking for company.
 
Thanks for your time and input.
Cindy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*(

2011-09-13 Thread Edna Taylor

I am so sorry for your loss Sherry.
 
Has anyone here dealt with Lymphoma in their kitties before?  Miller is not 
Feluk+ but he was diagnosed with Lymphoma last week and I am not sure if the 
treatment and stress of catching him to medicate him and take him to the vet 
every day this week (hubby is out of town and he needs eye meds 4 times a day) 
is worse than the actual disease :(  He is so stressed and he won't even let me 
pet him anymore, he just runs from me :(
 



Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:32:23 -0500
From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*(

Im so sorry Sherry3  Animals have the purest of soulssometimes I just 
don't understand their deaths!


On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote:






We lost our Sids kid Avery today...He was a beautiful fluffy gray guy with the 
most beautiful eyes. He will be missed by MANY volunteers. I love you Avery 
sweet boy.
Sherry


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than our own,
Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
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Phone: 785-466-2501
Cell:785-230-6499
 
 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a 
veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who 
inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my 
conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, 
have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. 
They have the same right to exist as we do.  Don Hamilton DVM

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Re: [Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*(

2011-09-13 Thread Edna Taylor

We bought the oral chemo pills and I spoke to the doctor about Miller and 
unfortunately, his is rather progressed and she said, on average, cats can live 
another 6 months on the oral meds and up to 2-3 years with the injectible chemo 
drugs.  We are going to try the injections this week and see how he does.  Once 
Frank comes home from the road, he can go home twice a day to administer the 
eye meds Miller needs so I won't have to chase him down, put him in a carrier 
and take him to the vet's office to stay all day :(  I just keep wondering if 
we are doing the right thing.  I don't want his last days with us to be ones 
filled with vet visits and fear :(
 



Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:35:17 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*(








I’ve had several friends whose cats had lymphoma, and one dealing with it right 
now.  Her cat, Jasper, is NOT FeLV+, and is on oral chemo (Leukeron) right now, 
2X a week. It also depends on how much progressed it is.  So sorry, I know how 
you feel – when all you do to a cat is give some kind of treatment all the 
time, pretty soon they assume that you will do so every time you approach them….
 


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 9:54 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*(
 

I am so sorry for your loss Sherry.
 
Has anyone here dealt with Lymphoma in their kitties before?  Miller is not 
Feluk+ but he was diagnosed with Lymphoma last week and I am not sure if the 
treatment and stress of catching him to medicate him and take him to the vet 
every day this week (hubby is out of town and he needs eye meds 4 times a day) 
is worse than the actual disease :(  He is so stressed and he won't even let me 
pet him anymore, he just runs from me :(
 




Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:32:23 -0500
From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*(

Im so sorry Sherry3  Animals have the purest of soulssometimes I just 
don't understand their deaths!

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote:





We lost our Sids kid Avery today...He was a beautiful fluffy gray guy with the 
most beautiful eyes. He will be missed by MANY volunteers. I love you Avery 
sweet boy.

Sherry

We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary

than our own,

Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.

Unable to accept its awful gaps.

We still would have it no other way

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1550 S 2700 Rd.

Herington, Kansas 67449

Phone: 785-466-2501

Cell:785-230-6499

 

 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a 
veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who 
inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my 
conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, 
have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. 
They have the same right to exist as we do.  Don Hamilton DVM


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Re: [Felvtalk] Miller

2011-09-13 Thread Edna Taylor

Thanks, I will look into this :)
 
I am sorry to hear about Fraidie :(
 



Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:39:19 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Miller








I know what you mean…how would you feel about contacting a fantastic animal 
communicator in CA and see what Miller wants and would prefer?
I just spoke to her about a renal failure cat that I want to make sure that 
it’s the right time for euthanasia this afternoon.
Maybe the trade-off to a shorter but happier life is better than a prolonged 
one with vet visits and shots, which Miller obviously doesn’t seem to enjoy!  
That’s how I feel about people’s lives, too!
 
Her name is Lisa Larson, at the very bottom, is a contact line…she is also the 
most reasonable, and last year, even kept calling me to find out how one of our 
cats was doing who had cancer.  I’ve known some who count every second to get 
paid for…not Lisa!  Everyone who asked for her help, was very pleased!
I highly recommend her as being absolutely fantastic, caring, and knows what 
she’s doing.  Although her schedule today is filled, she squeezed in some time 
to contact Fraidie, from photos I sent her.  If we euthanize Fraidie this 
afternoon, we will speak on the phone and contact her from across the rainbow 
bridge.
Animal Communicator, Animal Medium, Reiki Master
Lisa Larson is an animal communicator, Reiki Master and Kahi practitioner. 
Includes a forum, description of sessions and fees and personal profile. 
Encinitas, California.
pawstalk.net - Cached
 


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 11:06 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*(
 

We bought the oral chemo pills and I spoke to the doctor about Miller and 
unfortunately, his is rather progressed and she said, on average, cats can live 
another 6 months on the oral meds and up to 2-3 years with the injectible chemo 
drugs.  We are going to try the injections this week and see how he does.  Once 
Frank comes home from the road, he can go home twice a day to administer the 
eye meds Miller needs so I won't have to chase him down, put him in a carrier 
and take him to the vet's office to stay all day :(  I just keep wondering if 
we are doing the right thing.  I don't want his last days with us to be ones 
filled with vet visits and fear :(
 




Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 10:35:17 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*(

I’ve had several friends whose cats had lymphoma, and one dealing with it right 
now.  Her cat, Jasper, is NOT FeLV+, and is on oral chemo (Leukeron) right now, 
2X a week. It also depends on how much progressed it is.  So sorry, I know how 
you feel – when all you do to a cat is give some kind of treatment all the 
time, pretty soon they assume that you will do so every time you approach them….
 


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 9:54 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*(
 

I am so sorry for your loss Sherry.
 
Has anyone here dealt with Lymphoma in their kitties before?  Miller is not 
Feluk+ but he was diagnosed with Lymphoma last week and I am not sure if the 
treatment and stress of catching him to medicate him and take him to the vet 
every day this week (hubby is out of town and he needs eye meds 4 times a day) 
is worse than the actual disease :(  He is so stressed and he won't even let me 
pet him anymore, he just runs from me :(
 




Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:32:23 -0500
From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Avery Please add to the CLS :*(

Im so sorry Sherry3  Animals have the purest of soulssometimes I just 
don't understand their deaths!

On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:42 PM, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote:





We lost our Sids kid Avery today...He was a beautiful fluffy gray guy with the 
most beautiful eyes. He will be missed by MANY volunteers. I love you Avery 
sweet boy.

Sherry

We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary

than our own,

Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.

Unable to accept its awful gaps.

We still would have it no other way

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1550 S 2700 Rd.

Herington, Kansas 67449

Phone: 785-466-2501

Cell:785-230-6499

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

2011-09-06 Thread Edna Taylor

It has always been my understanding that you should never give asprin to cats:
 

Aspirin Side Effects
Aspirin is not a medication that is typically administered to cats. If 
administered, it may cause a few side effects such as: 

Stomach acidity, which can lead to stomach ulcers
Upset stomach
Vomiting
Diarrhea
Blood coagulation delays
Lack of appetite

Read more: Can You Give a Cat Aspirin? - VetInfo  

 From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2011 21:40:49 -0500
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Fletch
 
 Update and more questions. Yesterday Fletch ate very well and ate quite a few 
 treats too. He got up and walked around the kitchen for quite awhile. I was 
 so hopeful that maybe he was over the hump. Wrong. This morning he refused to 
 eat or drink and hasn't done so all day. I hav given him some electrolytes 3 
 times today. He didn't like that a bit. He had very watery poop with hard 
 chunks in it. That happened twice. Once on the couch, which I have plastic on 
 under his blankets, and then another time I ran him to the litterbox. His 
 fever is back..I'm sure the aspirin wore off and he doesn't feel good at all. 
 Is this how this disease is all the time? Is this what his life is gonna be 
 like from now on? Because if it is, I can't see making him go through this. I 
 don't think he enjoys any part of this. Maybe he ate too much yesterday, I 
 don't know. Do they go thru this and then get better. Any insight will be 
 appreciated. Where does the fever come from?
 Thanks guys, I sure do appreciate each and every one of you.
 
 Marcia
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

2011-08-26 Thread Edna Taylor

Me too, they don't need all that every year
 

 From: gbl...@aristotle.net
 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:52:43 -0500
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
 
 That's pretty much why I do...
 
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 On Aug 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 
  It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having
  surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to
  vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for
  surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery,
  but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the
  injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations
  annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to
  vaccinate again.
  
  Lorrie
  
  On 08-26, Natalie wrote:
  Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they
  pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to
  specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which
  ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a
  lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed
  incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she
  specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what
  elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that
  they are strictly indoor cats!
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: request for counsel on BreAnne

2011-08-25 Thread Edna Taylor

have they checked her for an esophageal stricture?  SAME THING happened to 
Momma Kat and they had did the following treatment:
 
BES is best treated with mechanical dilation using a balloon catheter under 
endoscopic guidance
 
She has this done three times before it finally tooK.  When she eats, does 
she hold her head to the side and chew like something is stuck in her mouth or 
throat?

 



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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:54:23 +
CC: landis.mcen...@yahoo.com; daben...@mninter.net; kjen...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: request for counsel on BreAnne






update:
 
please review lower string.
 
BreAnne had been eating a breakfast and supper of Fancy Feast Beef pretty much 
exclusively since the May email below  She had gained weight - -was still 
hiding out but present in her life.  For the last several weeks she has been 
laying exclusively on her side and meowing when I would pick her up to move her 
 - - chest contact.  approximately 8.16 seemed like had something 
intermittently caught in her throat.  took her to local vet on 8.20 since more 
highly trusted 30 miles and 60 miles away vets were not available.  he gave us 
_ for hairball and albon.  Monday she started to vomit up food 
immediately after eating.  Since Monday she eats, she vomits, I feed, . . .  
She is increasingly  bringing up frothy phlegm.  she makes a sound in her mouth 
(epiglottis?).  I have been orally hydrating her. She definitely has an 
appetite.  know definitely not passing stool yesterday/doubtful urinated.  gave 
her food this morning, vomit, more food (pate), vomit, nutri-cal, vomit, more 
nutrical, vomit, a couple table spoons of homemade chicken broth with vitamins, 
vomited up stringing clear phlegm.  vet only says feline leukemia.  Monday 
night after the feeding and vomiting episode she was back up on her chest and 
the noise in her throat had subsided. just as it did this morning. I told vet I 
wanted to try a different antibiotic before doing a film.  ampicillin and 
baytril. 
 
she does not seem to be suffering and is active with her tail up. 
 
we trust you more than any vet we have access to.
 
please.  comments.  your experiences?
 
yes, I am willing to let her go very soon. 
thank you.



 
 From: czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; landis.mcen...@yahoo.com
 Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 20:42:06 +
 Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: request for counsel on BreAnne
 
 
 
 
 
 
 took BreAnne to vet yesterday. chem screen all within normal limits. on CBC: 
 lymphocytes were high. vet said she definitely has leukemia. WBC were 
 13.2;HCT was 32%; HgB of 9.9; RBC's 6.5 - - all within normal range. 
 platelets are low; neutrophils are low, and Ly (what is that) are high. he 
 said her hydration was good. amoxicillin for 10 days and hope she pulls out 
 of it. he said she had a lot of poop inside. sent me home with an enema. his 
 diagnosis was alopecia and lymphadenopathy - - in her neck and behind her 
 knees. and I know often the growths cannot be felt.
 
 you encouraged me to hang with her. continuing the supplements. 
 
 she seems like a lost little soul; eats a few bites and then leaves or 
 doesn't eat at all. will eat in privacy but very, very particular. took the 
 other cats to the country and have taken her out there a couple days. she ran 
 up a tree Friday morning.
 
 please hang with us. counsel?
 
 
 
 
  Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 01:45:54 -0500
  From: dlg...@windstream.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] request for counsel on BreAnne
  CC: czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com
  
  Has your vet done a complete blood panel on her? You might be able to find 
  a clue to her problem. Also complete urine test would help. These will help 
  identify a problem. Since cats are so good at hiding illness, we sometimes 
  need to go to extemes. It costs, but may be less in the long runsince you 
  find out fast what is wrong and needs to be done. 
  As to food, I have found that Gerber's baby food (check first to be sure 
  there is on onion or garlic in it) is easier to feed and my girls have 
  responded to that. Also, add hot water to canned food. My girls and boy 
  seem to prefer the liquid to eating the meat. At least they get some 
  nutrition. Also, has your vet said anything about doing sub q fluids? I had 
  to do that with Lil Bit after I first got her. Se was stressed out, had a 
  ragged coat, no luster and had lost weight. After a little over 1 - 1/2 
  weeks, she responded and has been fine since. Giving her fluids wasn't very 
  hard. The vet gave me a bag of fluids and needles and told me how to do it. 
  The heardest part was sticking her with the needle but I remimded myself I 
  was doing it for her benefit. 
  If she is stressed out, maybe keep her seperate from the others for a while 
  and give her lots of extra attention and loving to reassure her that she is 
  loved. Then 

Re: [Felvtalk] Jager Please add to the CLS :(

2011-08-15 Thread Edna Taylor

I am so sorry :(
 



Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 19:55:01 -0700
From: sherryd...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Jager Please add to the CLS :(






We lost our sweet Sids kid Jager last night to intestinal lymphoma. I got to 
tell him good bye and that I loved him. And rubbed his beautiful littlr black 
ears with the white stripes.
He had the coolest ears and purrsonality.He was all black except each ear had 
white stripes,my fiance' couldn't believe it was reall and that someone 
bleached them.Well for the 4 1/2 years we had him,his ears ALWAYS stayed the 
same :). He always has some kind of issue going on but always overcame it and 
was a happy boy. We spoiled him with baby food everyday just because he was 
Jager. I will miss this precious little guy. I love you sweet Jager.
Sherry


We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
than our own,
Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
We still would have it no other way
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Re: [Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy!

2011-08-15 Thread Edna Taylor

Oh she is not feral at all, she is simply a sweet kitty whose previous owners 
failed her.  Sounds like she would be a great inside only kitty :)  
 
We thought SuzieQ was feral until she started letting us pet her and when 
Charlie (the other backyard feral) went missing about three weeks ago, we 
brought SuzieQ inside and she is quite happy to be living the good life in our 
guest bedroom.  She will soon be let out into the main part of the house to 
meet the rest of our Nuisance.  We have taken our goodwill ambassador kitties 
in to meet her already and they have all gotten along really well.  By 
following my Cat Intro 101 instructions (I can email for anyone that wants a 
copy) you can introduce MANY kitties into your existing kitty/dog household.  
 
Thanks for saving Hemy.

Edna
 



From: ho...@sonic.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:24:04 -0700
Subject: [Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy!






Today when I fed Hemy (she’s in a cage on my back covered deck) she ate while I 
was there.  I spoke to her and reached a finger through the cage to touch her 
head.  No problem.  Then, when I came back to clean her litter box, I took a 
chance and placed my hand on the floor of the cage and remained still.  She 
moved closer, then nudged my hand.  I stroked her cheek and she moved her head 
around in obvious pleasure.  I petted her a few moments and she purred.  
This is a “feral” cat who has, after tail amputation and being moved from her 
familiar surroundings, been in a cage on my back deck for only Five Days!
I’d say she is more afraid and cautious than feral, wouldn’t you?
I’m keeping her in the cage for now, and will go slowly so she doesn’t feel 
pressured.  But what a little sweetheart.  It pains me to think of how horribly 
humans have been to her, yet she is willing to forgive and perhaps trust again. 
 Bless her!
~Bonnie
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Re: [Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy!

2011-08-15 Thread Edna Taylor

What a cute name :)  Sorry to hear he is so sick :(
 



Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:51:15 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy!








Eliot Spitty, who was supposed to have been FeLV+ (that’s why I joined this 
group), was trapped outside of our house, and we assumed he was feral. Now, 
that we know he’s not FeLV+ (also thanks to this group), but has serious renal 
failure, he is the sweetest cat. Uses his nose to bump our faces, and purrs the 
quietest purr all the time.
 


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy!
 

Oh she is not feral at all, she is simply a sweet kitty whose previous owners 
failed her.  Sounds like she would be a great inside only kitty :)  
 
We thought SuzieQ was feral until she started letting us pet her and when 
Charlie (the other backyard feral) went missing about three weeks ago, we 
brought SuzieQ inside and she is quite happy to be living the good life in our 
guest bedroom.  She will soon be let out into the main part of the house to 
meet the rest of our Nuisance.  We have taken our goodwill ambassador kitties 
in to meet her already and they have all gotten along really well.  By 
following my Cat Intro 101 instructions (I can email for anyone that wants a 
copy) you can introduce MANY kitties into your existing kitty/dog household.  
 
Thanks for saving Hemy.

Edna
 




From: ho...@sonic.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:24:04 -0700
Subject: [Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy!

Today when I fed Hemy (she’s in a cage on my back covered deck) she ate while I 
was there.  I spoke to her and reached a finger through the cage to touch her 
head.  No problem.  Then, when I came back to clean her litter box, I took a 
chance and placed my hand on the floor of the cage and remained still.  She 
moved closer, then nudged my hand.  I stroked her cheek and she moved her head 
around in obvious pleasure.  I petted her a few moments and she purred.  
This is a “feral” cat who has, after tail amputation and being moved from her 
familiar surroundings, been in a cage on my back deck for only Five Days!
I’d say she is more afraid and cautious than feral, wouldn’t you?
I’m keeping her in the cage for now, and will go slowly so she doesn’t feel 
pressured.  But what a little sweetheart.  It pains me to think of how horribly 
humans have been to her, yet she is willing to forgive and perhaps trust again. 
 Bless her!
~Bonnie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread Edna Taylor

Kat, great advice and exactly what I would do.  Place her in a room in the 
house (bathroom/bedroom) and you might find that she is quite friendly, simply 
scared.  If you let her outside now, you will never see her again :(
 



Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:19:55 +
From: merrykatme...@email.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

Hi Bonnie,

I would try to bring her over to your house, but not directly outside.

Do you have a small room @ your house you can use for a few weeks?  If so, you 
should keep her in there - with litter, food  water  a place to hide (large 
box with hole in it  some towels will do just fine) while you get her 
accustomed to you as her new care giver.  Go in there everyday to be with her - 
even if you don't touch her.  Stay in there for at least a half-hour  read 
something out loud (normal voice) so she can get used to hearing you. 

If you decide to name her - use her name over  over when you go in to feed 
her.  Praise her for being a smart  strong kitty.  etc.

Then after a few weeks, leave her in the room, but with a screened window 
cracked open a bit, so she can get used to the new neighborhood smells from 
inside.  That way, when you do finally let her out ( put her box outside too) 
she will already be familiar with the surroundings  won't be so apt to bolt or 
run off.

Good luck!  It will be worth the time  the effort!!!

Kat (Mew Jersey)


- Original Message -
From: Bonnie Hogue
Sent: 08/11/11 09:05 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma



Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday!  Now I’m literally an hour 
away from needing to decide.
 
The problem is that my aunt (who’s tame housecat I took) also had a “feral” 
living in her large yard.  The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the 
past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only 
source of food?).
 
Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and 
excellent TNR organization.  Guess what?  She had already been spayed.  That 
means some (fill in the blank nasty term) ‘person’ had just abandoned her!
 
So here’s the dilemma:  if I release her in my yard, she’s in a strange place.  
The only thing holding her near will be my good heart.  If I take her back to 
my aunt’s house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows what will happen, 
where she will find food, and the next ‘trapper’ may not have as good a 
motivation as I do.
 
I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat.
 
But what would YOU do?
 
Thanks for your thoughts.
 
~Bonnie
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread Edna Taylor

I just have to say that had I adopted out a cat to a friend and said friend 
dumped the cat and then showed no remorse for doing so, it would have taken me 
a nanosecond to drive to said friend's house and throat punched him/her.  As 
I am fond of saying, don't let the tears fool ya, I'm a toof chipper ;)

Edna
 



Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:48:43 -0400
From: furrygi...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma


Yep my thoughts exactly, there just is no end to the weird situations that come 
up. Had one where the chip contact info was all outdated (phones didn't work, 
moved, etc.), kept doing internet searches  Yahoo suggested a different 
spelling of the last name--name had been spelled incorrectly on the chip 
records.  Still were skeptical as the cat was found at a very obvious/common 
dumping spot, but turned out the chip info was from the original owner (just 
last name spelled wrong but I located once Yahoo figured that part out) who had 
adopted the cat to a friend a year prior...friend dumped the cat, to the 
original owner's shock (and showed no remorse when contacted)...orig. owner 
felt horrible and took the kitty back.
 
Have had more than one where I was only able to find the owner, in situations 
where it was a very, very old cat (18+, 2 cases like this) but chip not 
registered/contact info not up to date, by asking the chip company where the 
cat was chipped (unfortunately, the representatives don't always offer this 
info up unless you ask but it can be the missing link) or by guessing the 
family vet by the registered address  calling the vet who either knew the cat 
or was able to look up the people's name.  Found 2 owners that way.
 
It sucks people don't keep chip info up to date but have seen every very good 
homes go through divorce or other change and forget to do so.
 
I agree, sounds like this kitty has been on the streets a while, still best to 
scan for chip  do homework just in case
 
And remember there is a universal microchip lookup website.   I have also had 
chips we scanned ourselves, gave us the chip # and said petlink with a ph# 
(or other company), that company had no record...but turned out people 
registered with another company.
 
As a rescuer, I have been very frustrated by these experiences as it tells me 
the average joe cat finder won't know/think to try all these things which makes 
finding owners even harder...this happened to me once where the chip info WAS 
up to date, but, registered to AKC and not coming up via other searches 
(including the company/ph# that came up on the scanner when we scanned the 
chip).
 
Sorry to go on, it's a peeve of mine:-)


On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote:




I do lost/found work for a couple of shelters  you have no idea how far 
animals wander.  A chip got a cat home that had disappeared months ago from its 
home about 10 miles away.  Thing is sometimes, people pick up strays, bring 
them home, and then lose or dump them again—now even further from home.  Its 
ALWAYS worth scanning, and checking with your local shelter  maybe taking a 
look at craig’s list—though in this case, it sounds like the cat’s been out 
there for a couple of years.  
 
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 



Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma




 

Lots of good advice--given this kitty was already spayed, is a cleft palate 
himi (many cleft palate babies do not survive), this was likely someone's pet.  
 some of the cats at my colonies who have been most standoffish were sweet once 
we got our hands on them.

 

Was she scanned for a chip?  I would definitely do this.

 

She may of course be abandoned but also could be displaced/lost.

 

Most of the chipped cats I find do not have up to date contact info and I've 
had to do detective work, but because the chip info isn't up to date doesn't 
always mean the cat doesn't have someone who loves  misses it.

 

So many don't have/need homes, it is worth the effort I believe...most turn out 
to be deadbeat owners, but there could be a kid in the family who's been crying 
for months over their lost pet--I have had this situation before where we 
really didn't think the cat had a good home, one never knows.  I say this 
knowing that most do end up being deadbeatsbut, not always, or at least, 
there might be one person in the family who does care and deserves to know the 
kitty is alive and have a chance to claim.

 

Just thoughts, I've had recent situations in this regard--please pardon if I 
missed something that clearly indicated the cat was abandoned (like people just 
moved out, etc.).

 

Good luck and thank you for helping her!!

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:


Kat, great

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread Edna Taylor

Well, yes, there IS that.  I would have gladly taken the cat back :)
 



Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 15:18:36 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma






I had to erase most of the “old” stuff, to get this sent; new server accepts 30 
KB (better than the last one, 20KB).
 


From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] 
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 2:46 PM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
 
Edna,
I bet it would also have taken you a mere nanosecond to drive to said friend to 
get the cat, had he/she asked you before dumping the cat…..
Natalie


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 2:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
 

I just have to say that had I adopted out a cat to a friend and said friend 
dumped the cat and then showed no remorse for doing so, it would have taken me 
a nanosecond to drive to said friend's house and throat punched him/her.  As 
I am fond of saying, don't let the tears fool ya, I'm a toof chipper ;)

Edna
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Edna Taylor

I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my cat 
because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email.  As a matter of fact, got 
one the other day.   Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside 
in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult to injury, 
she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist.  Yep, those are the types of people 
that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered.  
Are all people like that?  Absolutely not.  Are too many people like that?  you 
bet your boots.  Sad, but true :(
 

 From: moonv...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
 In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and
 judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
 Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
 always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
 something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
 I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
 rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
 whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters
 have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
 baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
 form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do)
 and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
 pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
 delivered back to us safely.
 
 On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 
  On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
 
   I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
   people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
   and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
   to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
   do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
   dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
   throw-away-society!
  
  __-
 
  Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
  rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
  all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
  nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
  ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Edna Taylor

YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next?  Also, I wonder, is it hard 
to walk and drive a car without a spine?
 

 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500
 From: longhornf...@verizon.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
 That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a 
 kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like 
 hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who 
 happened to be orange  white :)
 
 This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I 
 agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any 
 other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have 
 tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then 
 how will he treat her? Geez!
 - Original Message - 
 From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
 
 
 I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my 
 cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email. As a matter of fact, 
 got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat 
 outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult 
 to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the 
 types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be 
 spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many 
 people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :(
 
 
  From: moonv...@gmail.com
  Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
  In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel 
  and
  judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
  Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
  always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
  something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
  I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
  rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
  whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my 
  adopters
  have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
  baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
  form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will 
  do)
  and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
  pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
  delivered back to us safely.
 
  On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 
   On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
  
I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
throw-away-society!
   
   __-
  
   Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
   rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
   all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
   nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
   ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
  
  
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  http://www.rescuties.org
 
  Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
 
  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20
 
  http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
 
  Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
  http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
 
  Please help Trooper!
 
  http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Edna Taylor

Arizona and Florida were hardest hit in 2008/2009 when the real estate market 
tanked and because of that those two states have the biggest influx of pets 
into shelters and animals left behind at foreclosed houses.  I read an article 
yesterday about Homestead Florida and the numbers of abandoned pets.  One was 
at a house that used to be owned by a woman who was a dog rescuer, there were 
many dogs left behind :(
 
Of course, as the article points out, the big screen TVs and jewelry, XBox game 
systems, etc. were not left behind, only the animals :(  So, am I a bit jaded? 
yes, yes I am
 

 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:17:43 -0700
 From: delain...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
 Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs this 
 weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght in  8 
 dogs..
 
  
 
 --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 
 From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM
 
 
 That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a 
 kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like 
 hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who 
 happened to be orange  white :)
 
 This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I 
 agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any 
 other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have 
 tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how 
 will he treat her? Geez!
 - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
 
 
 I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my 
 cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email.  As a matter of fact, 
 got one the other day.   Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat 
 outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult 
 to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist.  Yep, those are the 
 types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be 
 spayed/neutered.  Are all people like that?  Absolutely not.  Are too many 
 people like that?  you bet your boots.  Sad, but true :(
 
 
  From: moonv...@gmail.com
  Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
  
  In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and
  judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
  Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
  always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
  something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
  I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
  rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
  whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters
  have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
  baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
  form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do)
  and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
  pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
  delivered back to us safely.
  
  On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
  
   On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
  
I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
throw-away-society!
   
   __-
  
   Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
   rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
   all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
   nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
   ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Edna Taylor

See, that is why I have a hard time fostering anymore, I DON'T know where they 
will end up or what will happen.  I rescued two beautiful Flame Point Himis 
from the Houston SPCA and they were SO skinny and, of course, had 
ringworm.  Well, after 3 months of nursing them back to health and getting to 
know how special they were, I finally adopted them out to a home that I assumed 
was really good and, all things considered, it IS a good home; however, they 
let them outside and one of them was taken by an owl.  My rules are very clear, 
no declawing, no outside, no dumping them at a shelter or giving them away, but 
people don't listen and do what they want to do.  I know we have all gotten the 
call hey, I found this cat, she/he is starving, has a bunch of health problems 
and the microchip comes back to your group and when you call the adopter, they 
will not answer your calls or emails.
 
One more story about trusting people.  A local rescue group her got a call from 
the shelter telling them that someone turned in one of their cats 
(microchipped) and come to find out, it was the FOSTER who took the cat to the 
shelter.  Hard to trust anyone these days :(
 

 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:30:17 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
 You have to admit, those are unusual cases, where people REALLY have allergy
 problems, or moving and can't take pets - but most wait until a week or two
 before leaving. Yes, I agree about some rescue groups, but also seldom
 happens - some may be a bit judgmental, but probably for very good reason.
 With getting daily updates from NYC of the kill-list for the next day, I am
 at the point of not looking at the pictures but just passing them on with
 the hope that at least one of them can be saved! Reading the surrender notes
 on their cards is heartbreaking and unconscionable! We had one adopter bring
 back two cats adopted from us as kittens, from Michigan! Others, we never
 hear from, and I worry about them. I stay in touch with MOST adopters!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
 Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:48 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
 In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and
 judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
 Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
 always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
 something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
 I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
 rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
 whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters
 have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
 baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
 form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do)
 and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
 pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
 delivered back to us safely.
 
 On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 
  On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
 
   I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
   people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
   and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
   to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
   do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
   dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
   throw-away-society!
  
  __-
 
  Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
  rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
  all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
  nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
  ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
 
 
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 Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
 
 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20
 
 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
 
 Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
 http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
 
 Please help Trooper!
 
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 And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they
 can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they
 should 

Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Edna Taylor






I don't see that it is not kind and supportive list but the truth is the truth, 
people give up their pets at an alarming rate and for, sometimes, what amounts 
to really stupid reasons.  They also leave them in abandoned, foreclosed homes 
to starve to death.  Does this mean that we are not supportive and don't care?  
No, it means many of us are in rescue and our homes are usually filled to the 
brim with cats/dogs and sometimes we need to vent.  Doesn't mean that we no 
longer want to support and help others, it means that our hearts are broken and 
as someone posted on their FB profile and I copied:
 
My pets/fosters are not disposable. They may have imperfections, may 
eventually have health problems, and be a lot of work. But when I got them, I 
promised them a forever home. No matter what their faults are, they are good at 
something, and deserve to be loved and have a forever home. They are not only 
my pets/fosters, They are a part of my family.
 

 

 From: moonv...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:57:03 -0500
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
 Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It makes me
 sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more.
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Edna Taylor

Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in Texas, giving 
away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster.  Case in point (no, I will 
not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio who appeared to 
be loving and caring, he adopted three free cats from CL and all there of 
their lives ended in a horrible fashion.
 
I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath the and 
I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of.  Sorry to get off 
topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are not in rescue but 
what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can never be forgotten.
 
As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying there is no 
pet overpopulation problem.  I have a house full of cats that prove otherwise.  
Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise and I have one cat in 
my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I have not gotten one hit on 
her.  There IS a pet overpopulation problem and no-kill begins with NO BIRTH.
 
Okay, I will get off my soapbox now.  Again, my apologies for getting off topic.
 
Edna Taylor
Texas Siamese Rescue

 

 From: moonv...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:59:04 -0500
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
 According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person
 value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there is
 not enough money in the world to make me give her up. Giving away cats
 and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find
 homes for more animals.
 
 Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about this
 stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Edna Taylor

Kelley,
 
Are you the same Kelley from Austin who used to work with Siamese Rescue?
 

 From: moonv...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:29:20 -0500
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
 I don't ask them if they have cable TV. I just give them food.
 
 On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
  We are all supportive of anyone who rescues, deals with unwanted and/or
  sick
  cats, fills their homes with discarded animals! I cannot tolerate people
  who are hypocritical about animals; pretending to love them, and then give
  them up at the drop of a hat even if it means abandoning them outside to
  fend for themselves!
  Here's one I just got this alert; perfect example:
 
  Subject: DECLAWED CAT---2 YRS OLD
  A rescue friend told me that the place in Queens where she buys her pet
  supplies found a cat left in a carrier outside his door this AM. She is
  about 2 years old, extremely friendly, seems healthy and is DECLAWED. Her
  coat is a luxurious shiny black. He is calling her Sophia. She has to stay
  in a cage until he finds her a home. If you know anyone who might like to
  help this baby, please call or text 917 689 8414 No pic available at this
  time.
 
  There are other ways of dealing with not being able to care for your
  animal.
  My husband and I supply a woman with cat food and litter for her 3 cats
  because she can't afford it, or else we would have to take her cats into
  our
  home. My question to someone who claims that they have no money to buy cat
  food is do you have cable TV? The response has often been Yes, butI
  need it.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
  Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:19 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
 
  Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in Texas,
  giving away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster. Case in point
  (no,
  I will not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio who
  appeared to be loving and caring, he adopted three free cats from CL and
  all there of their lives ended in a horrible fashion.
 
  I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath the
  and I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of. Sorry to
  get off topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are not in
  rescue but what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can
  never
  be forgotten.
 
  As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying there is
  no pet overpopulation problem. I have a house full of cats that prove
  otherwise. Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise and I
  have one cat in my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I have
  not
  gotten one hit on her. There IS a pet overpopulation problem and no-kill
  begins with NO BIRTH.
 
  Okay, I will get off my soapbox now. Again, my apologies for getting off
  topic.
 
  Edna Taylor
  Texas Siamese Rescue
 
 
 
   From: moonv...@gmail.com
   Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:59:04 -0500
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
  
   According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person
   value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there
  is
   not enough money in the world to make me give her up. Giving away cats
   and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find
   homes for more animals.
  
   Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about
  this
   stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate.
  
   On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
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 Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
 
 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20
 
 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
 
 Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
 http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
 
 Please help Trooper!
 
 http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper
 
 
 And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they
 can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they
 should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?

2011-08-03 Thread Edna Taylor

HA HA HA, yes people seem VERY surprised when they meet me because my name is 
Edna and I am in cat rescue.  Naturally, their minds go to the crazy cat lady 
on the Simpsons but that is just not the case ;)
 

 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:46:31 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?
 
 http://www.catster.com/cats-101/does-owning-a-cat-make-you-sexier 
 
 
 
 No, we're NOT a bunch of little old ladies in tennis shoes...
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question

2011-07-29 Thread Edna Taylor

SOunds like either stones or a bad URI because those are very very painful and 
a trip to the vet ASAP is in order.

Edna
 

 From: skastel...@cicresearch.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:15:17 -0700
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
 
 I'm no expert here, but this doesn't sound to me as though it's related to
 FeLV. My first inclination would be to look for something causing painful
 elimination.
 
 Good luck to you,
 Sara
 
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 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter
 Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 9:55 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Question
 
 Greetings Everyone, 
  
 We recently took in a kitten someone was going to put down from our vet, and
 last night I was awaken in the middle of the night by a howling noise, i
 thought it was our older cat but it was the kitten, she was growling in the
 corner and for some reason went to the bathroom on the floor instead of her
 litter box, is this common among FeLV cats? It was dr jeckle and Mr. Hyde,
 she was back to her loving self this morning? I'm so confused I've never
 seen an animal behave like that? When my older cat was dx he was more so
 sick we thought he swallowed a bone? talk about one of the worst days
 ever!
  
 Has anyone else had this happen? 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Intro New Cat Quick Style

2011-07-29 Thread Edna Taylor

Bonnie,

Email me at taylore...@msn.com and I can send you my tried and true Cat Intro 
101 instructions :)

Edna
 

 From: ho...@sonic.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 14:20:02 -0700
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Intro New Cat Quick Style
 
 Hi Everyone
 
 Life can be stressful sometimes.
 
 My aunt is going into assisted living (suddenly) and I'm taking her cat. I
 took my mom's cat, Lucky, last Fall, and he's become part of the household
 very nicely. This little cat, Princess, is a sweet and mild-mannered little
 one. I took her to the vet today for a checkup and unfortunately he spied a
 growth on her tongue. He's biopsied it (so we will know) and I'm picking
 her up in a couple hours.
 
 
 
 The thing is, this is very sudden and I haven't had much time to prepare.
 And I'm going to be gone 12 or more hours a day next week (eek). I can put
 her in the spare bedroom until the Felv test comes back. But I don't want
 her to be freaked out or too frightened. I'm hoping that instead of a three
 weeks, I can try to integrate her in a week or two.
 
 
 
 This will make FIVE indoor cats for me. I've never had so many. The vet
 said, Well, four or five isn't much different. Bless him.
 
 
 
 What's the conventional wisdom out there? Leave her in the room 7-14 days,
 or longer?
 
 
 
 Thanks for your input!
 
 Bonnie
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question

2011-07-29 Thread Edna Taylor

What did your vet do for the stones.  Bug has kidney stones and the vet said 
that there really is not a lot they can do for those.  I tried feeding her the 
special food but she wouldn't eat it and the vet said if she is eating anything 
else (very hard to feed individually when you have more than 10 cats) then it 
was not doing her any good to eat the prescription diet :(
 

 From: maima...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:42:56 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
 
 My very sweet little girl, Mi Tu, turned into a problem cat because of 
 bladder stones. I took her to the vets several times. They checked 
 her, did routine lab tests and everything they could think of. I was 
 finally at the end of my rope and they had been doing their research. 
 The vets drew urine from the bladder. The stones were there and we 
 got her the treatment she needed. She was in a lot of pain but the 
 symptoms presented were for a behavioral disorder.
 On Jul 29, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Edna Taylor wrote:
 
 
  SOunds like either stones or a bad URI because those are very very 
  painful and a trip to the vet ASAP is in order.
 
  Edna
 
 
  From: skastel...@cicresearch.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:15:17 -0700
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question
 
  I'm no expert here, but this doesn't sound to me as though it's 
  related to
  FeLV. My first inclination would be to look for something causing 
  painful
  elimination.
 
  Good luck to you,
  Sara
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin 
  Potter
  Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 9:55 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Question
 
  Greetings Everyone,
 
  We recently took in a kitten someone was going to put down from our 
  vet, and
  last night I was awaken in the middle of the night by a howling 
  noise, i
  thought it was our older cat but it was the kitten, she was 
  growling in the
  corner and for some reason went to the bathroom on the floor 
  instead of her
  litter box, is this common among FeLV cats? It was dr jeckle and 
  Mr. Hyde,
  she was back to her loving self this morning? I'm so confused I've 
  never
  seen an animal behave like that? When my older cat was dx he was 
  more so
  sick we thought he swallowed a bone? talk about one of the worst 
  days
  ever!
 
  Has anyone else had this happen?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs

2011-07-21 Thread Edna Taylor

We recently rescued an emaciated, obviously abused Rottie mix and his HW status 
was so high that after talking to the vet we decided that given his body 
weight, unknown history, fact that he couldn't be neutered until after 
treatment, lack of foster homes and that the treatment would probably kill him, 
we loved him, played with him and as he chewed on a toy, we let him go.   He 
was surrounded by people who cared about him in the end and sometimes, that is 
all we can do :(  His previous owners (I use that term loosely) failed him.

HW treatment is something so simple, yet I would hazard to guess that 90% 
(maybe more) of the dogs going into shelters and/or rescued are HW+.
 
 

 From: ti...@mindspring.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:23:26 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs
 
 I'm so sorry this happened... Heartworm is basically very silent until it
 gets so bad the dog is in real danger. They seem to be learning all sorts
 of new things about treatment which is now more complicated then when
 Immiticide was first developed. Problem is that unless vet is very familiar
 w. treatment, they may not know about newer protocols. American Heartworm
 Assoc does a decent job of describing those. But even if those are
 followed, Immiticide is basically arsenic and all sorts of things can
 happen. It doesn't kill adult worms but it sterilizes female worms. It
 does kill instantly the microfileria and as those enter the bloodstream in
 mass, they can create a clot which kills a dog. Then there is the more
 newly found parasites that actually live in an adult hw  also die  can
 also cause a clot. That requires doxy for a couple of weeks before
 treatment begins. And dogs need have absolute rest during treatment---not
 easy to do! For older, more fragile dogs, sometimes the best course is
 Ivermectin (Heartgard)--sterilizes worms  over a course of time, they die.
 Risky but sometimes less risky than Immiticide treatment.
 
 Basically, there is no good reason to risk subjecting a dog to this--the
 costs have come down  though I'm always reluctant to over medicate,
 Interceptor is one pill I don't ever forget to give my dog every month. 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1
 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:13 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs
 
 I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or technically
 she died of the reaction to the treatment for heartworm after she was found
 to have them.
 She had been coughing for months and a local vet said maybe kennel cough but
 not much was known about it and she was a free running dog in the country.
 A few months later I took her in for her annual vaccinations and new vet
 said heartworm had been bad in Ohio the last year or so and suggested we
 test. She came back positive so he started the treatment before we left
 that day telling me there were risks but she would likely die for sure if
 something wasn't tried. That night she came home and collapsed in the front
 yard and I watched her die. Her heart stopped. 10 PM at night, nearest
 emergency vet was almost 2 hours away but didn't matter cause I didn't know
 they existed at the time and they were in another city and no emergency
 listings in local phone books. Vet I had taken her to had gone to his
 daughters graduation that night and called back too late but said he
 probably wouldn't have been able to do anything anyway. Autopsy showed she
 had more worms than heart left.
 I will NEVER not treat a dog for heartworm again.
 Period.
 Kat
 
 On 7/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
  I guess it's you're damned if you do and damned if you don't!
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane 
  Biagi
  Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:26 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs
 
  I'm not one to give my pets all sorts of meds but, if you've ever 
  seen a dog die from heartworm or actually seen what these critters 
  look like, you'd err on the side of caution. I'm in NY and we've gone to
 year round.
  While true that the mosquitoes carrying the larvae don't fly up here 
  from warmer climates, dogs cats come all the time. A NY mosquito 
  bites a Florida infected dog  then bites a NY dog--you've got a 
  chance. And these days, folks travel all the time  everywhere with 
  their pets. Now there are places where the climate basically prevents 
  larvae from forming... but for most of the country, there are at least 
  times of the year when mosquitoes live that any cat or dog is at risk.
 But there are choices for HW meds...
  Certain breeds should never take Heartgard (Ivermectin), for example. 
  Thing is that HW is a silent killer. By the time the animal shows 
  

Re: [Felvtalk] cat with rotten teeth

2011-07-11 Thread Edna Taylor

Sounds like she might have stomatitis.  We have two cats with that and they 
both had all but their canines pulled and both are doing 100% better now.
 

 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 13:29:51 -0400
 From: katsk...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] cat with rotten teeth
 
 Again, thanks to all of you. Been a great help.
 
 Called my vet this morning and she is unexpectedly out of office until
 the 18th. Apparently she had family emergency. That's upsetting cause
 the kitty who had her eyes removed last Wednesday was supposed to have
 sutures out this Wed the 13th. I guess a few more days with sutures
 won't hurt - I kept mine in my knee for almost 4 months cause I was
 afraid to get them out. duh! Oh well.
 
 Surprisingly, Luke is a lover. Loves to be picked up, loves to be
 petted. But with the apparent pain in her mouth nothing is going to
 get into her via syringe or jamming a pill in the back of her throat,
 nothing. Last time I tried it one of her loose teeth fell out so
 there was a plus side but I am still putting triple antibiotic cream
 on the scratches and I had her wrapped in a bath towel like a mummy!
 Afterward she was panting, drooling, vomiting and hid for several
 hours. Not doing that to her or me again.
 
 So I will have to wait until the 18th to get her to the vet but she is
 sticking around the yard now and actually was sitting at the door like
 she -almost- wanted in so I guess that will have to do
 
 Thanks again cause I was hesitant to do that to her but what the heck.
 If I can have a little 5 week old kittens rotten, ready to rupture
 eyes removed I guess I can the rotten teeth of a full grown kitten
 pulled~.
 
 Kat
 
 
 On 7/11/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
  Cats have a way of knowing meds are in the food you are giving them. Unlike
  dogs who gulp it down so fast they never realize meds were in it.
  Medicating Casey is life threatening, I almost need to make a reservation at
  the ER for a couple of pints of blood for me. She bites, scratches, screams
  and like you said, we are both so worn out, frustrated that it almost seems
  to do more harm than good. If she needs meds, we head to the vet. More
  hands to hld her down. I have gotten a muzzle, but that makes her so angry
  that she won't have anything to do with me for at least a couple of hours.
 
   Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
  Reply to: felineres...@frontier.com
  In-Reply-To:
  CAArM-_-2ryAGGq9SY-77suew7TtR5qZS+jFj-UAbtGn7pr6A=q...@mail.gmail.com
 
  Thanks for taking care of Luke. It's very difficult taking
  care of a cat who fights your every effort to help her/hin.
  You are very kind.
 
  Lorrie
 
  On 07-09, katskat1 wrote:
   Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take
   Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is
   obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse.
   She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time
   before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live.
  
   I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside -
   has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are
   ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options.
  
   Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat
   anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with
   any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind
   storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are
   breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her
   quality of whatever life she has
  
   Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help.
  
   kat
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Edna Taylor

I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too large however, I 
noticed that others have responded with no problems so I will try again (after 
deleting most of the original emails).  I have used Feline Pine at home before 
and the rescue group I am with used to use it at their Petsmart adoptions.  The 
smell (to me) was gawd awful after they had used the box even once and even 
customers complained about the smell in the adoption center.  We had to go back 
to scoopable in both places but especially at the store because people would 
not go in to meet the cats due to the smell and it was scooped on a regular 
basis.
 
For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large Rubbermaid Totes.  
Frank cuts a large hole in one end so the cats can get in and out and it 
prevents our elevator b*tt peers from peeing over the side.  We also use a low 
dust litter.  So far, our cats have done well and most of our cats are 12 and 
up.
 
Edna
 

 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400
 From: athenapities...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
 
 Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter, Sweat Scoop. It got
 good online reviews.
 
 
 
 
 On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline Pine - has anyone used it
  before?
 
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Edna Taylor

I agree Susan.  I think with a couple of cats, the wheat or pine would be great 
but when the numbers are constantly changing and you sometimes have a Mom with 
kittens in a bathroom, an older litter in another room and some adults in yet 
another room, you have to use what keeps the smell down :)  Due to fostering I 
have repainted the study 3 times and the guest bedroom twice.  HOW can kittens 
get poop 4 feet up a wall??? :)
 
Oh, best invention EVER for a foster household is a Lampe Berger (Winterwood is 
my fav oil).  If you don't have one, I HIGHLY recommend getting a couple.  They 
are pricey but S worth it.
 
http://www.lampeberger.us/lampe-berger-official-website-luxury-fragrances-for-the-home
 

 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 15:09:47 -0700
 From: susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
 
 I had the same experience with the feline Pine. It smells like moldy wood to 
 me. Bought one bag and never again.
 
 I think we may need to make a distinction between rescue households with a 
 lot of cats and a constant parade of fosters coming and going and a household 
 with just a few pet cats. Mine is a rescue household and I have adopters 
 coming too the house so I have to make sure it doesn't stink. I've been using 
 clumping litter for more than 10 years and we've never had a problem. (When I 
 fostered kittens though I used the old fashioned non-clumping clay litter 
 because kittens have been known to try to eat litter.)
 
 
 
 --- On Fri, 7/8/11, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:
 
  From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Friday, July 8, 2011, 2:57 PM
  
  I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too
  large however, I noticed that others have responded with no
  problems so I will try again (after deleting most of the
  original emails).  I have used Feline Pine at home
  before and the rescue group I am with used to use it at
  their Petsmart adoptions.  The smell (to me) was gawd
  awful after they had used the box even once and even
  customers complained about the smell in the adoption
  center.  We had to go back to scoopable in both places
  but especially at the store because people would not go in
  to meet the cats due to the smell and it was scooped on a
  regular basis.
  
  For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large
  Rubbermaid Totes.  Frank cuts a large hole in one end
  so the cats can get in and out and it prevents our elevator
  b*tt peers from peeing over the side.  We also use a
  low dust litter.  So far, our cats have done well and
  most of our cats are 12 and up.
  
  Edna
  
  
   Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400
   From: athenapities...@gmail.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
   
   Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter,
  Sweat Scoop. It got
   good online reviews.
   
   
   
   
   On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle 
   athenapities...@gmail.comwrote:
   
Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline
  Pine - has anyone used it
before?
   
 
  


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten

2011-06-22 Thread Edna Taylor

Good for you Katy and I don't trust any vet whose first option is kill the 
kitten :(
 

 Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:56:31 -0400
 From: athenapities...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten
 
 Cathy,
 
 I rescued my cat, Buddy, from a thicket behind a parking lot when he was 5
 weeks old. I took him to the vet the day after I rescued him and he tested
 positive.
 
 Well, the vet told me to euthanize him - I did not like that at all. So as
 Buddy was clutching my shirt, I yelled at the vet YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KILL
 MY KITTEN!!! And ran crying from the office. Dramatic, sure, but I think it
 made my point - and I hope the vet was more tactful with pet parents after
 that.
 
 I had him retested a couple of months later, got second opinions, and now
 Buddy is 2 years old and VERY healthy.
 
 I found a new vet that is great with my cats, euthanasia shouldn't ever be
 the first option.
 
 
 Good luck!
 Katy
 
 On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  Cathy, you have already gotten some good advise. I've rescued several FeLV
  kittens and treasured the time I had with them. They enjoyed 1 to 4+ years
  of being pampered and loved. I mixed my positives and negatives but my
  negatives were all adult cats and current on their FeLV vaccine.
 
  You can do so much to make whatever time Cali has a joy to both of you. I
  would get Sasha tested and vaccinated if she hasn't been already.
 
  I am disturbed that Petco is adopting out kittens that have not been tested
  for FeLV or FIV. I also do TNR and rescue kittens. I test all the rescued
  kittens before offering them for adoption.
 
  Give Cali a hug from me.
  Sharyl
 
  From: ckess...@cox.net ckess...@cox.net
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 4:40 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten
 
  I am new the site and I am just crushed. I have never had cats before
  and I adopted a shelter kitten from Petco in Plano, Texas. She had Ringworm
  to start with and she was tiny, but she was playful and is as sweet as can
  be. We live in Downtown Dallas so she sits in the window of our high-rise
  and overlooks the skyline. Last week, she became very lethargic and on
  Friday, I became worried so I took her to the emergency room. She's always
  been little, but playful and happy until last week.
 
  They did a Feline Leukemia test and it was positive. The only thing I had
  ever heard about Feline Leukemia before Friday night was that all cats who
  get it - die.
 
  Cali is only 7 months old and I can't stop crying. I just moved to Dallas
  last July. I have always had Dachshunds but I didn't think that dogs should
  be in apartments, so I got Cali. Then I didn't want Cali to be by herself,
  so I got another shelter kitty from the Petco in Bedford, (named Sasha) and
  she is very healthy.
 
  The emergency room vet and the Vet that I took Cali to have both told me
  that I need to put Cali to sleep so that Sasha won't get sick and Cali won't
  get better so she should be put down. For all of you out there, please say
  a prayer for me and Cali. She is a Blue Cream Tabby, she weighs 5 pounds
  and she has been a real fighter. I don't know how I will find the strength
  to put her to sleep.
 
  She is so little. I want her to get better. I can't stop crying.
 
  Cathy Kessel
  (858) 361-8972
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten

2011-06-21 Thread Edna Taylor

I agree, I would get a different vet and not put my kitty to sleep on the off 
chance that she might get sick and die earlier than we thought she would.  
Animals, like people live for different lengths of time.  I had a FeLuk 
positive kitty that lived to be 16 years old but had a FeLuk negative kitty 
that died of a stroke when he was 12.  I say let her live, enjoy her and don't 
end her life before her time.

Edna
 

 From: moonv...@gmail.com
 Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:00:05 -0500
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten
 
 Hi Cathy,
 
 I feel your pain - when my Missy was diagnosed with severe congenital heart
 disease, I thought I would die. But they all die of something,
 unfortunately, and I think the special health kitties are the most special
 in other ways.
 
 We have a wonderful lady on this list who volunteers in an FELV sanctuary.
 Maybe she can give you some advice.
 
 
 I would definitely change vets - we adopted out a double pos (FIV+ and
 FELV+) to a lady in Waco about 2 years ago and she is going strong. I would
 get a confirmatory IFA test. I would get my other cat tested and
 vaccinated. You may want to separate them. Some do and some don't.
 
 I would not put her to sleep because she may be carrying a virus that may
 make her sick someday. Even the feral cat people are getting away from PTS
 based on the result of a test.
 
 Love and light,
 
 Kelley
 
 On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 3:40 PM, ckess...@cox.net wrote:
 
  I am new the site and I am just crushed. I have never had cats before and
  I adopted a shelter kitten from Petco in Plano, Texas. She had Ringworm to
  start with and she was tiny, but she was playful and is as sweet as can be.
  We live in Downtown Dallas so she sits in the window of our high-rise and
  overlooks the skyline. Last week, she became very lethargic and on Friday,
  I became worried so I took her to the emergency room. She's always been
  little, but playful and happy until last week.
 
  They did a Feline Leukemia test and it was positive. The only thing I had
  ever heard about Feline Leukemia before Friday night was that all cats who
  get it - die.
 
  Cali is only 7 months old and I can't stop crying. I just moved to Dallas
  last July. I have always had Dachshunds but I didn't think that dogs should
  be in apartments, so I got Cali. Then I didn't want Cali to be by herself,
  so I got another shelter kitty from the Petco in Bedford, (named Sasha) and
  she is very healthy.
 
  The emergency room vet and the Vet that I took Cali to have both told me
  that I need to put Cali to sleep so that Sasha won't get sick and Cali won't
  get better so she should be put down. For all of you out there, please say
  a prayer for me and Cali. She is a Blue Cream Tabby, she weighs 5 pounds
  and she has been a real fighter. I don't know how I will find the strength
  to put her to sleep.
 
  She is so little. I want her to get better. I can't stop crying.
 
  Cathy Kessel
  (858) 361-8972
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas

2011-06-20 Thread Edna Taylor

Actually, it is any product with the word sol in it as in Pinesol or Lysol
 

 From: longhornf...@verizon.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:33:01 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas
 
 I'm using Feline Pine cat litter. What is wrong with pine products?
 - Original Message - 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 3:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas
 
 
  Don't use anything that contains any pine products - not good for cats!
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
  Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 2:43 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fleas
 
  The Capstar http://www.capstar.novartis.us/ pill is fabulous because it
  bombs the fleas off in about 2 hours, then you can start using a monthly
  flea treatment. I use Revolution and never had any problems with my FeLV+
  cats using it.
 
  As far as cleaning products go, I use Dawn on nearly everything - it's a
  very effective anti-bacterial and it's comepletely safe for animals. When 
  I
  bring new kittens or puppies/dogs into the house, I give them a Dawn bath
  because it kills germs and helps wash off fleas.
 
  I have hardwood floors, so I'm limited to certain cleaning products. My
  favorite is Pine Sol.
 
 
 
  On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org 
  wrote:
 
  I just realized our FeLV cat has fleas. Our other cats are housed
  separately and haven't shown any sign of them, so I'd like to nip this in
  the bud. I don't like using chemicals when I can possibly avoid them, but
  I
  have to do something. Can anyone recommend an effective flea treatment
  program for a FeLV+ cat? I'd also welcome suggestions of cleaning 
  supplies
  that won't harm him.
 
  He's housed in our basement and really needs/deserves a forever home of
  his
  own. He's fully vetted (vaccinated, neutered, and microchipped). He's the
  sweetest cat we've ever fostered. He's a lovely blue/grey with green 
  eyes.
  Photos gladly provided to anyone interested.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bee Please add to te CLS :*(

2011-06-14 Thread Edna Taylor

I am so sorry Sherry :(
 
 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:59:36 -0700
 From: sherryd...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Bee Please add to te CLS :*(
 
 Another one of our Sids kids left us today. Bee was with us for longer than I 
 have been volunteering. She hung in here for almost 6 years. She is with her 
 mama Jewel now. Bee was our drama queen kitty,ALWAYS had something to 
 say...what a sad,sad,sad day  :(
 Everyone hug your babies,
 Sherry
 
 
 We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
 than our own,
 Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
 Unable to accept its awful gaps.
 We still would have it no other way
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Aggie to the CLS

2011-06-07 Thread Edna Taylor

Andy,
 
I am so sorry for your loss.

Edna
 
 From: oxjake...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 21:18:52 +
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Aggie to the CLS
 
 
 Hi all,
 
 I know I haven't posted in awhile, but I wanted to offer an update to those 
 of you who followed our story with our little bundle of spunk, Aggie.
 We helped Aggie cross over this morning, and it was one of the hardest 
 things I've had to do. It was also the right thing to do. Her anemia 
 caused her to gasp for air since yesterday evening, and she was starting
 to involuntarily shake, could no longer walk, make it to the litter 
 box, and could barely raise her head to watch the lizards running around
 our patio. She was my little valiant fighter for 7 years, but 
 ultimately FELV took her from me. We tried everything short of a 
 transfusion, and it just wasn't enough.
 I firmly 
 believe that LTCI bought us about a year of good quality time. Her 
 bloodwork was taking a VERY marked decline last June, and LTCI reversed it. 
 Unfortunately, FELV is a tough nut to crack and there was only so much 
 we could do.
 
 
 It was very peaceful, she just went to sleep while we 
 sang her song to her , and told her what a blessing she has been in our 
 life. If love could heal, she'd have been the healthiest cat ever. But
 right now, she's not in any pain, no more seizures, no more force 
 feeding, no more shots, and only peace. 
 
 
 
 There is a void in my home, and my heart right now. But I am so, so 
 thankful to have had her at all. I didn't even like cats before I met 
 her, and now I'm a sucker for them! 
 
 
 Thank you for your advice, your collective knowledge, and more importantly, 
 for the kindness you show to everyone who is dealing with this nasty disease.
 
 
 
 Peace to all of you, and good luck on your journeys with your beloved 
 fuzzbuckets.
 
 
 
 Andy
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sabrina updatet

2011-06-06 Thread Edna Taylor

Wonderful news, congrats :)
 
 Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 15:11:43 -0500
 From: pam_nor...@charter.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Sabrina updatet
 
 Sabrina in one lucky girl. We had originally hoped  prayed we could 
 find someone who would give her a temporary room for the period of time 
 needed for testing to determine whether she could beat this thing. We 
 sent out SO many emails  talked to SO many people. Contacted all the 
 networks we with. But over the weekend, the golden goose flew over  
 laid the proverbial egg on us. Not only does Sabrina get a room, she 
 gets a home!
 
 This is a young couple who live in Spring Green, WI, where Mew Haven  I 
 am. The woman is the daughter of one of my good friends  a nicer, more 
 warm family could never be asked for. They had two Siamese cats that 
 they lost last year so Shelley asked a lot of questions about Sabrina  
 about the disease. I told her everything I knew which i s what I posted 
 here initially. That Sabrina might not live long but on the other hand 
 with good care  a stress free environment, she might beat it  live a 
 long healthy life. Or she might just be a carrier  live many years. I 
 pointed out that there are no guarantees with any pets  that there are 
 FeLeuk kitties that live longer than non-FeLeuk kitties.
 
 Shelley's  Mark's girls are 13  16. Both Shelley  Mark love cats  
 so do the girls but it was the girls' decision because losing their 
 Siamese last year had been very hard on them. I was absolutely fine 
 with that  told Shelley to tell the girls that it is possible that they 
 might have to say goodbye sooner than they want but on the other hand 
 this is a chance for both of them to play a huge role in the life of one 
 little special needs cat. And as it turns out, it's what they want to 
 do! They are both very excited. And as Vicki, Shelley's mom told me, 
 there could not possibly be a kitty who will be loved more than Sabrina 
 will be.
 
 But listen to THIS! The girls wanted to know if it would be ok if they 
 changed her name to Eleanor. For Eleanor Roosevelt who was such a 
 strong woman! Do these kids get it or not?!! They do! I 
 am so grateful.
 
 Sabrina/Eleanor is being spayed this week  will have her IFA done. My 
 friend who works MH with me  I will drive up  get Eleanor a week from 
 today.
 
 So far so beautifully good!
 
 Pam
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