Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President

2012-10-10 Thread GRAS
I must respectfully disagree, this wasn’t about bashing anyone– to state a 
platform on which a candidate is running is just that – no one was calling any 
candidate horrible names!

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of cindy 
reasoner
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 2:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President

 


I don't post very often but had to put my 2 cents in on this topic.  I think if 
more people would vote for the person they think would do the best job instead 
of getting hung up on the party this country would be a heck of alot better.  I 
have voted for Republicans and Democrats for President.  I don't agree with 
getting on here and bashing another party.   I really don't think this is the 
forum for politics.

 

 

Cindy Reasoner

--- On Wed, 10/10/12, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:


From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2012, 9:52 AM

I really think this discussion has turned to a Republican bashing session.  We 
Republicans disagree with almost everything you guys have said but there's no 
point of getting into it because no amount of discussion will change your mind. 
 And that's okay because that's what makes America great - we can disagree 
without feeling the threat of reprisal.  It is interesting to hear the 
Democratic views and what things you believe but some things are just not true 
like the supposed war on women.  Mitt and Paul do not have the complete 
authority to do some of the things mentioned and many Republicans wouldn't go 
along with these kinds of things anyway.  But it's okay with me if that's what 
you believe, I just don't think we can intelligently debate all the facts when 
we are not in the inner circle.  I think we've worn the topic out and nothing 
you guys have said will make me change my mind about Obama and obviously I will 
never change your minds about Republicans so let's talk about something else 
like animal abusers and trying to get the death penalty for them.  Just kidding 
- well kind of.  

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

 Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 23:43:25 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President
 
 Diane R., not only are you pretty sure - you are absolutely correct!
 Not to mention what Mitt and Paul intend to do: Get rid of Planned
 Parenthood which screens women for cancer, has helped a friend of mine
 numerous times because she can't afford to go to a doctor; reverse Roe V.
 Wade, getting women killed in back alleys, adopt personhood which will
 make certain birth control illegal and criminal, overturn Obamacare but
 promises to keep pre-existing conditions clause (although it applies ONLY to
 people who have had long-time insurance, not for new applicants with
 pre-existing conditions!) and women will automatically be back at the status
 of having pre-existing conditions just because they're women,just to
 mention a few.
 An American friend is retired in Belgium and my husband just came back from
 Sweden - people there cannot believe that this is part of US politics! Even
 though many European countries are Catholic or of other religions, they do
 not meddle in people's bedrooms!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 Diane Rosenfeldt
 Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:23 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
 
 Um, I don't think the guy who was President the last 4 years caused ANY of
 the problems you mention. In fact, I know he didn't. I'm pretty sure in fact
 that his predecessor did, and the new person is from that same party and
 has that same agenda. We had the worst recession since 1929, and if you've
 read any American History, that catastrophe took almost 10 years to recover
 from, and that was with Congress more or less working together.
 
 Diane R.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 Lisa Conner
 Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 6:26 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] President
 
 Ok.. you are profiling and that is just plain wrong:) If we have the past
 4 yours as the next 4 years, there will be a mass revolt.
 Seriously, from mass job losses, no growth of our country, the division of
 our country, we have to take a chance on a new person:) It can't get any
 worse. That is my 2 cents!
 
 Now , back to our Felv + kitties. I am fairly new to this group and joined
 because of losing my cat, Prancer. He lived 

[Felvtalk] FW: Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list

2012-10-08 Thread GRAS
I have never looked at archives, so why would a person who just joined do that 
when they ask a question or present their problem to the group?

I really don’t see a problem here.

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 10:19 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list

 

I've always directed people to this list, but if the first thing they see when 
they look at the archives is talk about politics  hunting they may just turn 
away.

 

Beth

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Image removed by sender. www.Furkids.org 
http://www.furkids.org/ 

 

 

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From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list

 

As someone posted already, as soon as someone needs advice, the off topic will 
change immediately.  This happens during a lull – we haven’t had any serious 
issues for a while!, which is good. Then your problem came along, and I saw 
quite a few replies from several people; if you feel it wasn’t enough, ask 
again, what specific concerns or explanations you require after the advice was 
given.

Yes, FeLV is super serious, and this is exactly where you can get help. 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list

2012-10-07 Thread GRAS
As someone posted already, as soon as someone needs advice, the off topic will 
change immediately.  This happens during a lull – we haven’t had any serious 
issues for a while!, which is good. Then your problem came along, and I saw 
quite a few replies from several people; if you feel it wasn’t enough, ask 
again, what specific concerns or explanations you require after the advice was 
given.

Yes, FeLV is super serious, and this is exactly where you can get help. 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of janine 
paton
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:16 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list

 

I am surprised this list got so off topic.  A few years ago, this wouldn't be 
allowed to happen.  I have very strong political opinions, and very strong 
opinions about hunting, but what I rejoined this list for was only to 
understand how to deal with 9 kittens from a few different litters in same 
colony, where one tested positive and I think I got one, maybe two answers.  

 

I guess it's OK to talk about other things, if a newcomer feels like he or she 
has been listened to, but I did not.  

 

For me, 9 kittens are a lot of kittens to worry about even with past LK 
experience.  So I don't really see how a total newcomer would have been helped 
by this list over the last week or two whatsoever.  

 

Leukemia is scary, and this list should be an opportunity to educate.  I don't 
feel comfortable sending people to this list if they are ignored.

 

  Would rather stick to common sense, out of the box, how to help and what to 
expect.It's shame to loose this resource.  My 2 cents. 

 

Janine 

 

 

 

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From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sat, October 6, 2012 7:30:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again

That’s what my vet gives me – Cyproheptadine (Periactin) – ¼ pill does a good 
job. 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee 
Evans
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 9:16 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again

 

Another brain cell woke up and reminded me that there's also an antihistamine 
called Ciproheptadine.  I'm thinking that this is the one they use as an 
appetite stimulant.

I just Googled it and sure enough, this is the one.  If you want more 
information on getting your cat to eat go to the following Website: Tanya's 
Comprehensive Guide to Feline Chronic Kidney Disease.  The URL is: 
www.crf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm  There are some other hints on getting an 
anorexic cat to chow down also.

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!

 

  _  

From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again

 

I have been trying that, she eats just a smidge and then turns away :(  Thank 
you :)  Poor thing is just wasting away and I feel so helpless :(
 

 Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 17:58:20 -0400
 From: ti...@mindspring.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again
 
 You can try gerber stage2 baby food...the meat kind (ham, beef, turkey, etc). 
 Not all thw nutrition a cat needs but it gets them something. 
 
 Christiane Biagi
 Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G
 
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] sOMETHING IS WRONG.

2012-10-06 Thread GRAS
You have to erase a lot of stuff - previous messages!  It happens all the
time because we've all been adding our 2 cents!

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
CATHERINE DIDONNA
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 3:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] sOMETHING IS WRONG.

 

I'm getting a message saying my message is too long. this is the second time
this happened.My message is the most three lines. I told the person that a
wet cloth or cotton ball dipped in Star Olive Oil kills fleas,It came from
the book Joey Green's pet cures.Thanks. C L DiDonna

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Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

2012-10-06 Thread GRAS
I actually use Frontline on incoming cats with fleas..just that once, then
it's the friendly little nematodes!

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
Evans
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 4:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

 

I don't believe that the doses would be different because you break the big
one into 7 doses (as in Frontline Plus).  I was afraid to do this at first
because I thought it might somehow be different than the single doses but if
you think about it, there's no sediment at the bottom of the tube.  It's all
uniformly mixed so no possibility of different strengths from breaking up
the tube into smaller doses. What you are paying for in the standard cat
dose is the packaging.  You are paying for 3 plastic tubes instead of one
larger plastic tube.  I don't feel that plastic tubes are so great that  I
want to pay $15 extra above the cost of the ingredients.  I wish more stuff
was on a bring your own bottle basis.  Some stuff in the grocery store is
sold that way - peanut butter, honey, some cosmetics.  Everything else is
over-packaged so that when you finish your juice or your ketchup or
whatever, you either toss the package, bottle  into the landfill or you have
to lug it to recycle if you don't live in a city with curbside pick-up.  I
have been breaking Frontline Plus and Revolution into cat size doses for
years.  Haven't tried Advantage though because it goes by weight and that's
a little more work intensive, since I have several cats who can't fit
through the doorway and several more who could slip through the keyhole.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!

 

  _  

From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products


On 10-05, Edna Taylor wrote:
My vet frowns on using any dog flea product on cats because she said
even though it is the same ingredients, the portions of the same
ingredients may be different. 

The vet will make much more money if you give individual doses. I cannot do
this as I have 24 rescued cats at this time, and at $15. a pop, every month,
I'd be broke in no time, so I buy flea stuff from CAnada or overseas and
dose down from the big dog size.  However, dosing down from the big dog
size MUST be carefully figured out so the cats are not hurt.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

2012-10-06 Thread GRAS
All around the house on the grass and under their outdoor enclosures.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee 
Evans
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 6:08 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

 

Do you use nematodes inside your house?  I thought they are just for the yard, 
need soil and water to do their thing.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!

 

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From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

 

I actually use Frontline on incoming cats with fleas….just that once, then it’s 
the friendly little nematodes!

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee 
Evans
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 4:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

 

I don't believe that the doses would be different because you break the big one 
into 7 doses (as in Frontline Plus).  I was afraid to do this at first because 
I thought it might somehow be different than the single doses but if you think 
about it, there's no sediment at the bottom of the tube.  It's all uniformly 
mixed so no possibility of different strengths from breaking up the tube into 
smaller doses. What you are paying for in the standard cat dose is the 
packaging.  You are paying for 3 plastic tubes instead of one larger plastic 
tube.  I don't feel that plastic tubes are so great that  I want to pay $15 
extra above the cost of the ingredients.  I wish more stuff was on a bring 
your own bottle basis.  Some stuff in the grocery store is sold that way - 
peanut butter, honey, some cosmetics.  Everything else is over-packaged so that 
when you finish your juice or your ketchup or whatever, you either toss the 
package, bottle  into the landfill or you have to lug it to recycle if you 
don't live in a city with curbside pick-up.  I have been breaking Frontline 
Plus and Revolution into cat size doses for years.  Haven't tried Advantage 
though because it goes by weight and that's a little more work intensive, since 
I have several cats who can't fit through the doorway and several more who 
could slip through the keyhole.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!

 

  _  

From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products


On 10-05, Edna Taylor wrote:
My vet frowns on using any dog flea product on cats because she said
even though it is the same ingredients, the portions of the same
ingredients may be different. 

The vet will make much more money if you give individual doses. I cannot do
this as I have 24 rescued cats at this time, and at $15. a pop, every month,
I'd be broke in no time, so I buy flea stuff from CAnada or overseas and
dose down from the big dog size.  However, dosing down from the big dog
size MUST be carefully figured out so the cats are not hurt.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?

2012-10-05 Thread GRAS
My vet actually treats those cats in a “special” way, knowing that their immune 
systems are compromised..

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
molvey...@hotmail.com
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?

 

Yep, I've run into vets like that too and it pisses me off.  In a nice way I 
let them know that I want the cat treated as though he didn't have a disease. 
In several cases I just haven't ever gone back to those vets.  Or I'll go back 
to throw it in their face that a simple round of Clavamox took care of the 
situation and the cat is fine.  Some of them just haven't had enough experience 
to know that FIV and FeLV doesn't always make a simple illness worse and I want 
them to know and see it for themselves so they don't tell their next client to 
put the cat down just because he's got FIV or FeLV.

Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT

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From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?
Date: Fri, Oct 5, 2012 7:00 am

 

One of the strangest problems I face with my FeLv+ and FIV+ cats is going to 
the vet for a simple health issue.  I bring in a fat, sleek cat with a URI and 
the vet asks me, in the course of treatment Is this one of  your FeLv+ or FIV+ 
cats?  Well, I have to say yes because we are at the doctor's office and it's 
not good to hide medical facts from your cat's doctor, right?  And most of the 
time, even though the vet knows my opinion on cats who have these two 
disorders, the cat is viewed as different from another cat with a URI or 
diarrhea, or whatever simple issue the cat is going through and several times I 
have gotten a lecture of the This Is The Beginning Of The End type along with 
the antibiotic shot or whatever the protocol was for the actual issue.  I find 
this annoying and frightening because I feel that my special needs cats are 
being treated as hopeless and perhaps are being given less appropriate 
treatment than my regular cats.  Has anyone noticed this problem with their 
feline health care provider?  There is one vet who I used for 15 years until I 
moved 50 miles away that never did this and never made me feel that I was 
selfishly keeping a sick cat alive.  I would bring in my FIV+ and FeLv+ kits 
and he would treat them the same way he would treat the others.  Even when I 
would tell him that Wally or Sugar or whoever, was FIV+ or Taco was FeLv+ he 
would say, Yes, I know.  I did the test, remember? But this is just an upper 
respiratory infection. and that would be it.  Shot given, pills prescribed, 
bill paid.  I wish all vets were like that.

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread GRAS
Remember that there are some cats that you cannot bathe, no matter what! It is 
important to keep the soap on for about 5 minutes!  Didsolve the little 
bugger’s waxy coating!  Natalie

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin 
Potter
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

 

Honestly, I found that a good old fashion bath with dawn dish soap and flea 
comb has been our best defense this year. ( along with a few house bombs) It 
sucks having to give everyone a bath but i like it more then putting greasy 
drops on my pets.

 

From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products





I bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was completely 
ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned it (because 
that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular) said she had 
recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas in our area were 
building an immunity to it. 

 

I switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I found a 
source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a year now 
with no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for small cats 
or 9 treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the company is 
http://www.fleakiller.co/

 

I have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very satisfied 
customer. 

 

Cindy


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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread GRAS
Yes, it is the cruelest blood sport, except maybe with an atlatl, a really
old type spear.  Statistics for bowhunting injuries are over 50% - that
means that for every deer actually tracked and retrieved, another one that
has been shot with an arrow gets away, to die a slow, lingering death (all
depending on where the deer is shot).  A friend in Iowa fed one such deer
with an arrow in the shoulder, he always came to her property and died there
- she and a friend actually took him in a car to a vet.  It took a whole
year for Braveheart to die - she made a video - check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLGF9pOUV10 
The ones that actually eat the meat are far and in-between!  Most is trophy
hunting!
Natalie

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

Bow hunting is CRUEL. It often leaves the poor animal in agony and it dies a
slow painful death.  We had a buck dying in our yard last winter, and we had
to call for someone to put it out of it's misery.  It was horrible and I was
upset for weeks. I still can't stand to think about it.

Hunters don't kill only for food. They also take the very best bucks who
should be left to reproduce. I am so sick of hearing jerks say they are
killing deer to keep them from starving.  BS. They kill for fun!

On 10-02, Joslin Potter wrote:
I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting
season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now?
To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and
the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the
wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a
healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to
enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread GRAS
The person who had the experience with Braveheart is actually a member, and
I joined at her suggestion because I had two FeLV+ cats at the time.
Natalie

-Original Message-
From: GRAS [mailto:g...@optonline.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:01 PM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

Yes, it is the cruelest blood sport, except maybe with an atlatl, a really
old type spear.  Statistics for bowhunting injuries are over 50% - that
means that for every deer actually tracked and retrieved, another one that
has been shot with an arrow gets away, to die a slow, lingering death (all
depending on where the deer is shot).  A friend in Iowa fed one such deer
with an arrow in the shoulder, he always came to her property and died there
- she and a friend actually took him in a car to a vet.  It took a whole
year for Braveheart to die - she made a video - check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLGF9pOUV10 
The ones that actually eat the meat are far and in-between!  Most is trophy
hunting!
Natalie

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

Bow hunting is CRUEL. It often leaves the poor animal in agony and it dies a
slow painful death.  We had a buck dying in our yard last winter, and we had
to call for someone to put it out of it's misery.  It was horrible and I was
upset for weeks. I still can't stand to think about it.

Hunters don't kill only for food. They also take the very best bucks who
should be left to reproduce. I am so sick of hearing jerks say they are
killing deer to keep them from starving.  BS. They kill for fun!

On 10-02, Joslin Potter wrote:
I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting
season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now?
To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and
the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the
wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a
healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to
enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie?

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[Felvtalk] FW: Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread GRAS
It’s really interesting because when, and that’s rarely, that they reach a 
biological carrying capacity (or in a severe winter and no food), sperm counts 
go down and females, in real dire situations, will actually absorb their 
fetuses.  Also, people mistake deer as starving in the winter because they may 
seem thin, ribs showing, it’s only that thyroxin (a calcium-rich hormone) 
regulates their metabolisms in cold weather….even iof a lot of food were 
available, they might not be able to absorb all the nutrition.

The best thing is to leave them alone – thousands of years, and they have been 
able to regulate themselves until commercial hunting almost wiped them out at 
the end of the last century, and states had to start managing them to bring 
back the herds – then they found out what a big business it can be (hunting 
licenses, P-R Act, etc)- now they manage for MSY.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Kathryn Hargreaves
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

 

Yes, I've heard from wildlife experts that the population of all species will 
level off at the carrying capacity (food, shelter) of the habitat, despite 
predation (of any sort).   This is why if you want to reduce a species' 
population, you have to sterilize and return, so the sterilized ones take up 
some of that capacity.

 

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

No, they wouldn’t reproduce the same way, that’s the whole point! According to 
research on reproduction, hunted herds twin only 14%, while hunted herds twin 
or even triple at 38%.  It’s just nature’s way!  In fact, predators are better 
hunters because they go for the sick and old animals, while hunters avoid them, 
thereby actually degrading the gene pool – healthier animals are not the result 
of hunting – that’s done at deer farms by mating the best with the best 
specimen, producing fantastic trophy animals.

No, I do not eat any meat.

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin 
Potter
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 2:44 PM

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting season, do 
you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To each their own, 
again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the people who do purchase 
linceses as this money is put back into the wild life. The funding from 
licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy population of wildlife in the 
states, including the DNR to enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat 
Natalie?

It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn’t really 
lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull.  Next year, 
there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because hunting encourages 
and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and because states manage 
deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield).  I’m sure that you will notice that the 
population doesn’t really go down in the long run.  I have made it my business 
to learn as much as I can about deer biology/reproduction.  Natalie

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin 
Potter
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as 
keeping population under control. -Joslin





 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread GRAS
In CT and many other states they are no longer required to have IDs on
arrows - it was fought tooth and nail because they didn't want to be
identified as bad marksmen!

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Heather
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

 

This just happened not far from us, our cat community is very upset and the
person removed the tip of the arrow to avoid identification.
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/story/19661631/2012/09/27/cat-shot-with-arrow-r
ecovering#.UGWrSCitdWc.facebook

On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

Bow hunting is CRUEL. It often leaves the poor animal in agony and it dies a
slow painful death.  We had a buck dying in our yard last winter, and we had
to call for someone to put it out of it's misery.  It was horrible and I was
upset for weeks. I still can't stand to think about it.

Hunters don't kill only for food. They also take the very best bucks who
should be left to reproduce. I am so sick of hearing jerks say they are
killing deer to keep them from starving.  BS. They kill for fun!


On 10-02, Joslin Potter wrote:
I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting
season, do you think they would not still reproduce like they do now?
To each their own, again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and
the people who do purchase linceses as this money is put back into the
wild life. The funding from licenses and tags is used to insure a
healthy population of wildlife in the states, including the DNR to
enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat Natalie?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough

2012-09-28 Thread GRAS
I've watched the show a few times, and most of those cat owners are real
idiots!  It makes me so mad, that I can't watch.
But, yes, the guy knows what he's doing!
Natalie
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Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 8:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough

These people worried about the cats scratching furniture, soiling carpets,
etc. should watch My Cat From Hell.  After seeing a couple of shows, i
came to the same conclusion, the cat isn't the problem, the PEOPLE are.
This guy really knows cats.  He has all 7 of mine pegged to the smallest
detail.  Followed his advise and it works, especialy the Clicker.




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Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia

2012-09-26 Thread GRAS
I feel so horrible for anyone who has to watch their loved ones, people or
pets, suffer needlessly without the proper help!
I sat with my mother for 3 weeks, even nights, but had to go to her house to
care for her cats, take a shower and change clothing.  They were going to
send her home with a hospital bed, but thankfully, I was able to persuade
them to allow her to stay because I knew that the end was near.  I would
have been stuck all alone, 24/7, with no help (my sister worked), away from
home.  She died 2 days after they planned on moving her - can't they tell
how near death someone is, at least by fluid intake and going out?  I could
tell.  The morphine and fluids really helped - my mother didn't seem in any
distress the whole time!  She still would have preferred just to be allowed
to be let go immediately. Natalie


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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 9:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia

My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids.

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas
2010. 

On Sep 26, 2012, at 5:43 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 On 09-25, Marcia wrote:
 
 My 3 other siblings and I took care of my Mom for 3 weeks while she 
 died at home. Her request(: hospice said no fluid, so she laid there 
 with nothing all that time, struggling to breath, to swallow. Etc. I 
 only cried one time during that 3 weeks, because I had a job to do 
 that required quite a bit of mental strength and clarity. The day I 
 broke down was when Timothy McVay was euthanized. I cried because my 
 mother was suffering and that son of a bitch died effortlessly. 
 People should have that choice and in some countries they do. But not
here in the land of the free.
 
 That must have been a terrible expeience for you Marcia.  Wasn't she 
 given fluids by mouth and morphine?
 
 As for McVay - He should have been tortured to death!  Criminals also 
 get free surgery and all the other things we don't get.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia

2012-09-26 Thread GRAS
When I moved my mother to a better hospital, where they had the hospice,
they quickly wheeled her out for another MRI before the move - there was no
need for it - just make some more  money! Natalie


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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia

That probably had a lot to do with it!

On 09-26, Edna Taylor wrote:
They just want to get as much MONEY from the family and their insurance
company as they can :(
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] NY Times: Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough

2012-09-25 Thread GRAS
Absolutely - that's what they can choose to do in the Netherlands..so much
better!

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 12:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] NY Times: Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough

 

personally, I think we should do this for people too, end their suffering.
What quality of life does someone have who simply lays in bed in a
vegetative state?  Who are we keeping that person alive for?  to what end?
If it were me, and I had some life ending disease or accident, I would want
my husband to use what money we had, go out and get as much booze and coke
as he could get and let me go out with a bang ;)  But then again, that is
just my opinion ;)
 

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Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 11:51:19 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] NY Times: Deciding-when-a-pet-has-suffered-enough

Very informative an interesting article, and make sure you check out the
ones available within the copy, too!

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/opinion/sunday/deciding-when-a-pet-has-suf
fered-enough.html?src=me
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/opinion/sunday/deciding-when-a-pet-has-su
ffered-enough.html?src=meref=general ref=general

 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Barnaby in your thoughts

2012-09-19 Thread GRAS
People are so stupid - after adopting out cats for 20 years, I cannot get
over it. 

Once poor Barnaby  is out of there, they should cement that gap so it
doesn't happen again. Can food and water be placed into that crawlspace?

 

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 5:28 PM
To: FeLV Talk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please keep Barnaby in your thoughts

 

One of my FeLV foster cats, Barnaby, was adopted last week. His adopters
kept him in a bathroom for 2 days (they were told to give him at least 2
weeks to get used to being moved)  then let him out in a house. He
immediately went in a crawl space in the basement. The space is
inaccessible. He has not eaten food that has been left in the ceiling. This
is going on a week now he has not had food or water. 

We are going over tonight to with a snake camera which can see into tight
places. We have to decide whether to cut a hole in the side of the house or
remove the bathtub.

Please don't judge this persons involved. Just please keep him in your
thoughts tonight.

 

Beth

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Chloe not eating

2012-09-19 Thread GRAS
A sign of stomatitis is usually pawing at the mouth when eating.

 

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 5:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chloe not eating

 

Stomatitis will cause this behavior.

Beth

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From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Transport to Best Friends

 

Hi  My year and a half FELV pos Choe is suddenly as of last night not
eating.  She seems hungry and runs to the bowl, but then just looks at it
and doesn't seem to like what's in the bowl!  She seems a little growly too
at the other cats.  And she keeps wanting to go outside for some reason but
I won't let her as she would not come back in last night but luckily I got
her in. Strange behavior for her.  What do you all think?  I am taking her
to vet tonight.  She doesn't seem like she is lethargic so I am not sure
running a fever.  What is the consensus?  Dotty - Freehold

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Nutrition and new FeLV positive kitten (Lisa)/REPLY

2012-09-19 Thread GRAS
All the Hill's Science Diet foods are absolute junk!  Look at the
ingredients - you can do better reading labels on better quality foods, and
get better food for less.  Instead of A-D, to mix with meds and use syringe,
I cook chicken and then use my Magic Bullet to make a chicken mousse with
the broth that chicken was cooked in (after removing the fat). Our cats
actually used to prefer the dry Science Diet to the cans!

Natalie

 

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 6:35 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Nutrition and new FeLV positive kitten (Lisa)/REPLY

 

Yes, that ino does help.  Thanks.  I'll look for the Nutra-Cal.  Is it sort
of like Ensure?  Or is it that brown gel like substance that comes in a
tube?  I used to give my one cat who had hepatitis that stuff.  Don't know
if it's the same.  I'll check it out.  It's funny but Chloe, FELV pos does
not like the dry Sci Diet food that much.  She prefers wet food.  She's very
finicky and i go thru lots of cans for her since she is so fussy.  

 

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From: Lisa Conner lisa.con...@syniverse.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Nutrition and new FeLV positive kitten (Lisa)

 

 

I used Nutra-Cal for my Felv kitty, Prancer that just passed away. He lived
for over 9 years!  I ordered it from my Vet or Entirely Pets.com
http://pets.com/ .  Also,  I used Interferon for many years and this was
only $25.00 for a bottle, the bottle lasted for about 2 months for his size
(10 lbs).   Prancer did not like wet food and I typically fed him Science
Diet or Purina One.  I know that is a bit pricey for some on a budget, but I
swear by it for a Felv catJ  

 

I also used these for a Felv Kitten (3 weeks old) that somebody threw out on
the street and I was lucky enough to be walking the dog when they dumped the
kitten off.   A friend of mine adopted the kitten and we are waiting to
retest the kitten.  The kitten is doing great!  Cisco actually had hookworms
and I found out from the vet that hookworms can kill a kitten!!  Hope this
information helps!

 

Lisa Conner


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Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Barnaby in your thoughts

2012-09-19 Thread GRAS
Great news!
Please have them close up that gap so it can't happen again!
Hope Barnaby is OK!
Keep us posted!
Natalie


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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Barnaby in your thoughts

Yay I'm so happy for you  him. Hang in there Barnaby.

Blessings to all~
L

-Original Message-
From: Beth
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:56 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Barnaby in your thoughts

After 5 hrs we have him. What an evening! Barnaby is on his way to the
emergency vet.

Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm so sorry and admire for your plea of non judgement.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2012, at 4:28 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 One of my FeLV foster cats, Barnaby, was adopted last week. His 
 adopters kept him in a bathroom for 2 days (they were told to give 
 him at least 2 weeks to get used to being moved)  then let him out 
 in a house. He immediately went in a crawl space in the basement. The 
 space is inaccessible. He has not eaten food that has been left in the
ceiling.
 This is going on a week now he has not had food or water.
 We are going over tonight to with a snake camera which can see into 
 tight places. We have to decide whether to cut a hole in the side of 
 the house or remove the bathtub.
 Please don't judge this persons involved. Just please keep him in 
 your thoughts tonight.

 Beth

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Re: [Felvtalk] 2 Darling Devils..

2012-09-18 Thread GRAS
What kind of a vet would suggest euthanasia of cats that once had a cold?
With vets like that, who needs enemies!  The same goes for having a cold
that would be a corona virus, which often makes diagnosis of FIP hard
because it's also a corona virus.OMG - I have NEVER, ever, heard of anything
like that!

It's not a stigma, nor should it be, and never has been for us; most people
have no idea what all that means, unless some vet scares the hell out of
them with such nonsense ..

Natalie

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 2:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 2 Darling Devils..

 

We have two cats at our house that had Calici when we rescued them and it
should not be a lifelong stigma because once they are over it and continue
to get an FVRCP vaccination every year there should be no issues.  Also, if
they are adopted into a household with other cats and those cats are
vaccinated, there should not be a problem with them either.
 
I have never heard of anyone not wanting to adopt a cat because he/she had
the flu when he/she was a kitten.  Basically, that is what the Calicivirus
is, the flu, and while it CAN (and often does) kill a cat, not adopting
because a cat was once sick seems ludicrous to me.  
 
Send me some pictures and I will circulate them

Edna 
Texas Siamese Rescue

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From: linda.dem...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2012 12:41:24 -0400
Subject: [Felvtalk] 2 Darling Devils..

Hello Everyone,

 

I am writing to you all in hopes that I may reach a broader group of
wonderful people.  Over 6 months ago I rescued 2 kittens that are both
negative for fiv/felv but 

had the calisi virus and were scheduled for euthanasia.  They were from
different litters and grouped together.  I went in an scooped them up and
spent close to 1000

dollars on treatment medication vaccinations neuter microchip etc.  They are
now healthy and ready for a new home...problem is they are about 6.6 months
old and I have had zero interest in them.  I am willing to do out of state
adoptions, but I will not make any exceptions on a vet reference and a home
visit...which is what I am requesting.

These guys are awesome and I would love for them to be adopted together
because they have bonded so well, however I will not deny either one of them
a good home because of this.  I am in it for the long haul...I just really
need help advocating their adoption because apparently there is some stigma
attached to them due to the calisi they had as babesany and all positive
and constructive advise is super duper appreciatedthank you all...and
God Bless!

 

Linda Demiri


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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Transport to Best Friends

2012-09-18 Thread GRAS
I have transported several real scaredy cats by plane, in the cabin.  I
always used a harness with a leash on them and a pillow case over them when
I took them out of the carrier to go through security. I merely picked up
the pillow case, with the open end together in a bunch, leash hanging
out.then slipped the pillowcase with cat back into the carrier, and removed
the leash from the harness so he wouldn't get entangled.  Eventually the cat
made himself comfortable in the pillow case and even peeked out from the
inside.

The TSA people thought that I was nuts, with all those precautions -
giggling, making fun - I asked them if they would you prefer an escaped cat,
'cause I wouldn't!

Even if this cat is sedated, please get a harness and a leash as an extra
precaution!  You never know how they can react, maybe even freak out!

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jamielynn Storch
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 1:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Transport to Best Friends

 

This is a cat that failed in his last attempt to make it to Best Friends
because of how poorly he handled transport.  He was 1 of 3 cats supposed to
be headed out there and they decided they needed to work with a vet to find
a better solution for getting him through long travel.  The biggest issue is
now with all the new travel security requirements he can't just stay in his
carrier he must be removed and his carrier xrayed while he comes through the
xray with me.  

They have done tests runs with the sedation and feel it is the best option
for us making it through security safely without putting him, myself or
security at risk when removing him from the carrier.  Other products have
not worked with him.  He takes a very long time to adjust and warm up (but
once he does is said to be a total sweety).  Other problem being I do not
know nor have I ever met this cat.  He will be arriving at my house in a few
hours but I am no home and will only have time to meet him for about 10
minutes prior to being out the door again this evening.  

None of it is the ideal situation however I am his only option to save his
life and I do not feel comfortable removing a cat from the carrier unsedated
that those who actually know the cat have expressed great concern about the
problems I will have with him. I don't think its as simple as minor anxiety
or stress for this guy.  


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Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

2012-09-09 Thread GRAS
How are Oliver's kidney values?  


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 9:58 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

Don, It is amazing that Oliver has lived to be 15 with a FelV+ status. Most
of my FelV+ cats either die of anemia or they lose the use of their back
legs due to tumors on the spine.  If Oliver has made it this long I'd just
keep him happy and and give him plenty of TLC.  15 is about the end of life
for most cats anyway, and the fact that he lived this long is proof you are
taking excellent care of him.

As for your other two cats.  At 14 and 16, they are also reaching the end of
their lives, and I think they will be fine if they haven't gotten the virus
so far. Just keep all three of them happy and stress free.  This really
helps, and I have found heroic measures don't help, they only prolong the
inevitable. pain and stress for the time the cat has left as well as
well as emotional and financial hell for youself.

Lorrie 


On 09-08, Don wrote:
Hello.
Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to
CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we
had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just
turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and
seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who
suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good,
except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values
since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him
for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has
always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we
know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later
when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could
be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the
other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the
fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks
he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the
symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't
see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent
the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back
until next week.
Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a
few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might
be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be
optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we
cannot win.
Here are my questions:
1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently
(they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens).
Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still
safe?  We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they
use separate water and food bowls.  There is not grooming among them.
2.  Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and
become free of it?  If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he
have symptoms now?  If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any
way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine?
3.  He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter
box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it
off or is this just a false hope.
4.  If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI
treatment?  I have not found good scientific info on it's effectiveness
although there appear to be no major side effects.
Thanks.
Don and Oliver


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Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

2012-09-09 Thread GRAS
 

Sorry, I could have sworn that you did..don't have time to go back to see
all the mail! Kitties awaiting me to medicate them.  natalie

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 6:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

 

His thyroid is normal as well (the vet did check it in July as he noted an
slightly enlarged thyroid).  I don't recall mentioning tapazole.  He got a
shot of Covina and a steroid at the vet but that is all he is on.  
Thanks.

On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

What about thyroid?  Why the Tapazole?

 

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 4:44 PM


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

 

His BUN and Crea are normal.  His HCT has dropped from about 30% to 28%
since July. Otherwise everything else is normal.

On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 1:29 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:

How are Oliver's kidney values?



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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 9:58 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Need advice for our cat Oliver

Don, It is amazing that Oliver has lived to be 15 with a FelV+ status. Most
of my FelV+ cats either die of anemia or they lose the use of their back
legs due to tumors on the spine.  If Oliver has made it this long I'd just
keep him happy and and give him plenty of TLC.  15 is about the end of life
for most cats anyway, and the fact that he lived this long is proof you are
taking excellent care of him.

As for your other two cats.  At 14 and 16, they are also reaching the end of
their lives, and I think they will be fine if they haven't gotten the virus
so far. Just keep all three of them happy and stress free.  This really
helps, and I have found heroic measures don't help, they only prolong the
inevitable. pain and stress for the time the cat has left as well as
well as emotional and financial hell for youself.

Lorrie


On 09-08, Don wrote:
Hello.
Our boy Oliver, has been doing well since his brothers passing due to
CRF last Feb but in the past year or so we have seen some signs that we
had been reading as old age (less grooming, weight loss...he just
turned 15 this August). Thursday night he was acting lethargic and
seemed to be warm to the touch. I dropped him off at our vet who
suggest it might just be a virus (most of this blood panel was good,
except a low white blood cell count, now 2% below normal HCT values
since July, and a 105 F temperature). He suggested we might test him
for leukemia and FIV as he wanted to rule it out even though Oliver has
always been an indoor cat (he used a ELISA snap test...as far as we
know he has never been tested for feLV or FIV). The bad news came later
when he called to say he was positive for both. He said the FIV could
be false if Oliver was every given an FIV vaccination (he has), but the
other was likely true (and also explained the low white count and the
fever, and now in retrospect some of the other issues). The vet thinks
he may have had this all his life and is just now experiencing the
symptoms. So now he is home and although I have read up some and don't
see much hope, I wondered if anyone can offer any advice. We have sent
the blood off to get the more sophisticated test but won't hear back
until next week.
Our vet, who is the best I have had, suggested perhaps he will last a
few weeks or months, given that he is showing signs that his body might
be losing the battle (low white cells, anemia). I'm trying to be
optimistic, but with no treatments I know this is probably a battle we
cannot win.
Here are my questions:
1. We have 2 other cats who we think have had the feLV booster recently
(they are 14 and 16 years old and got the immunization as kittens).
Are they in danger? If they got shots as kittens would they be still
safe?  We have Oliver with his own litter box and am making sure they
use separate water and food bowls.  There is not grooming among them.
2.  Is there anyway to know if Oliver can still fight off the virus and
become free of it?  If he did have it for 14-15 years, then why does he
have symptoms now?  If it was a recent exposure (we cannot think of any
way he would have gotten it) then could he still be fine?
3.  He seems fine now (no fever, eating, drinking, using the litter
box, etc.) so is this a good sign that perhaps he is able to fight it
off or is this just a false hope.
4.  If the other test is positive, would anyone suggest using the LTCI
treatment?  I

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-31 Thread GRAS
Whenever our cats were put on Science Diet, they hated it, lost weight…because 
they didn’t want to eat it.  Wasted a lot food, a lot of money, and didn’t help 
the cats.  It’s disgusting!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:28 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

 

I absolutely detest Science Diet.

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. 


On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

I used Hills on and off for years and found that my cats threw up more often 
with it.  So I finally quit using.  Water fountains are great.  Not only do the 
cats drink.  They sit for hours watching the water go round and round.  Only 
problem was, two or three of my cats started urinating around the fountain. 
Maybe they were trying to imitate it.  Who knows what goes through the minds of 
cats.  No, they didn't have UTI, just a bit of bad attitude.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!

 


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From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
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Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition


Vets push the Hills because Hills says to.


 Emma Beauchamp weazy...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Hello All,

My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has had FELV 
probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy despite the FELV 
and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently (Sunday night) she 
contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and 130 dollars later she 
was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were present in her bladder.  
I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given Hill's Science Prescription 
diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a couple of cans of wet.  

My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet food 
yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled at the dry 
food and turned away.  


After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry food 
in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water intake!

I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so what 
kind of food/diet did you switch to? 

Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty 
selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to feed 
her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were tight so I 
switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway! 

So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!! 

Emma Beauchamp



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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-31 Thread GRAS
When switching foods, it is very important to do it correctly.  When cats
have been used to one food, and when suddenly exposed to a new food, their
enzymes are not used to it, often causing diarrhea and vomiting. You have to
use both old and new food, slowly increasing the proportions of the new
food.


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longhornf...@verizon.net
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 2:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

Wow! I'm really surprised. I've had all my healthy cats on SD since they
were kittens. One in particular loved it so much, he would inhale it. We had
him on W/D. He was a big cat, a domestic orange  white kitty - he was
almost 4 ft long from the tip of his paw to the end on his tail (not
stretched, just when he laid down). He weighed 30 lbs, and lived to be 15
1/2 yrs. My 15 year old dachshund has been on SD since 8 weeks old. She is
still very active  plays with my cat Kirby every chance she gets. I guess
some do better on it more than others. I did try to switch her food to Nutro
when she was about 5. She got sick every night. When I put her back on SD,
she was fine. Just thought I would share my experience.
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Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:08:30 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: Fleas

2012-08-30 Thread GRAS
This may answer your concern: 
http://www.wondercide.com/content/is-cedar-toxic-to-cats/ 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: Fleas

 

I thought that cedar caused liver damage in small animals. Anyone see ever hear 
about this?

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 30, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

I found something that I received from a friend a while back – was someone 
asking about flea treatments in this group?

 

I think I have used everything you can think of and this is the best stuff I 
have used.  The fleas take one or two steps and they are gone.  There is no 
residual effect, but your house smells like a cedar closet.  

Best Way is what they sell to spray right on the pet and in your house.  

Then ProChoice I think is the name of it for your yard.

This stuff kills all non beneficial insects but not benefical like bees and 
butterflies.  So daddy long legs will survive but not roaches or mosquites or 
ticks etc.

www.cedarcide.com 

It is made in Houston, Tx from a specific cedar tree.

Susan

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply

2012-08-29 Thread GRAS
Feeding dry food to outside cats is often the only option, especially in the 
winter, so that the food doesn’t freeze.  Dry food should never be the ONLY 
food for cats, but as a supplement, it’s OK.  Unfortunately, many people feed 
only dry food. It was found that dry food is extremely addictive to cats 
because of what they put into it.

 

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:10 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply

 

The cheapest yet healthiest food I've found is raw that I mix up myself, using 
balanced recipes online  (I can send you links and my own recipe, if you like). 
  I buy at Whole Foods, so I'm paying about twice what you could 
otherwise---and I'm still only paying about half the amount of the best 
commercial canned food out there (currently Merrick Before Grain, even though 
Merrick has had some complaints about their dog food).   That's about 70 
cents/day/cat, and you could probably be doing it for 35 cents/day/cat.  You'll 
also save on vet bills for diabetes, etc., and they won't be as susceptible to 
urinary problems, which can kill a male in hours before you even notice it.

 

A local pet store gives me outdated raw and canned food.  (I refuse the dry 
food, as it's so bad for cats.)   If you let them know you're feeding ferals, 
one of yours may do the same.

 

 

On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

Talk to local rescues. Our rescue strictly uses Science Diet, so when people 
donate other kinds of food, they give it to volunteers or feral feeders. 
Sometimes it's really high quality food, sometimes not.

We also have something called Daffy's Pet Soup Kitchen which provides food to 
people who cannot afford it. There are 2 organizations like that in our area.

The best thing to do would be to get friendly with a shelter that can provide 
you with info on resources.

 
Beth

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ 

 

 

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From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply

 

Hi Beth - how do I find out about places that donate food?  Or how do I get it 
at cost?  I work alone and don't belong to an organization.  thanks, Dot

 

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From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?

 

Are there any places which donate food in your area? We have several in 
Atlanta. Also rescues can sometimes get food to feral feeders at cost. You 
could also set up a Chip-in for people to donate $ for food.

 

Beth

 

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ 

 

 

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From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?

 

Hi  I was reading your mail.  What did you mean about that is the price of 
free food?  Do you receive food free for feeding the cats?  I do not TNR.  I 
don't belong to any program.  Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats.  (they are 
all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them each 
week.  Money I don't have.  It is getting to be a bad situation for me.  

 

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Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!

 

If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their 
life.  Contact your local pound for information. 

 

If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to 
free up cage space.

 


Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by 
implementing the No Kill Equation: 
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/ 
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ 

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: 

Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Ascites?

2012-08-29 Thread GRAS
Oh, no - poor baby!  I am so sorry!

The vet couldn't think of trying anything else?

I also found that when they don't respond to antibiotics, toxoplasmosis may
be present, and it took me over 6 months, 2 yrs ago, of medicating to
finally get rid of it - the kitten was negative on everything else.

 

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Forgotten Felines
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 1:28 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV  Ascites?

 

She also had a fever that wouldn't respond to antibiotics, not even a cool
cloth, and diarrhea. Kaya had a vet appointment on Monday and was diagnosed
with FIP, so I put her to sleep before it could get any worse =(

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

http://www.medicinenet.com/ascites/article.htm - this should answer some of
your questions about ascites.

Learn about ascites, accumulation of fluid in the abdominal cavity. Some
common causes of ascites include liver disease or cirrhosis, portal
hypertension, cancers. ...

We had a cat with cancer, and he had to have ascites drained several times;
unfortunately, our vet said that you can't do it only so often..

Don't jump to conclusions that it's FIP!~

Natalie

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Forgotten Felines
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:01 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org


Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV  Ascites?

 

My FeLV+ kitten developed ascites and I'm worried the vet is going to tell
me it's FIP. Does anyone know if ascites is ever related to FeLV?


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Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?

2012-08-28 Thread GRAS
You can always go to a large pet supply store and ask if they have any
torn/damaged bags of dry food - most will gladly donate them.

 

That's right, chip in is a GRRREAT idea, Beth!

Go to www.chipin.com - you'd be surprised what people collect money for, a
party, a present for someone, and serious stuff!

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:58 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?

 

Are there any places which donate food in your area? We have several in
Atlanta. Also rescues can sometimes get food to feral feeders at cost. You
could also set up a Chip-in for people to donate $ for food.

 

Beth

 

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http://www.furkids.org/ 

 

 

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From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?

 

Hi  I was reading your mail.  What did you mean about that is the price of
free food?  Do you receive food free for feeding the cats?  I do not TNR.
I don't belong to any program.  Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats.  (they
are all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on
them each week.  Money I don't have.  It is getting to be a bad situation
for me.  

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight

2012-08-27 Thread GRAS
There must be someone who could take over feeding them - especially with
colder weather coming (don't know where you are)..they cannot be left
without food after relying on it for so long.

 

I have never liked TNR because there were never any people to take
responsibility.  Since I do rescue and care for many at home, I could not
add the responsibility of caring for outside cats, too - there's just not
enough time and energy.

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 4:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight

 

All too true.  When I had a house fire in 2007 and moved I packed up my yard
cats and brought them along.  I still have two of them.  One is 11 years
old, absolutely untouchable, and she was my first TNR cat.

 

Once you start feeding they learn to depend on you.  You can't just walk
away and leave them.

 

Where are you located?  There must be other feral feeders or TNR groups in
your area.  Perhaps we can help you find them and you could get some relief
while you heal up.  (Are the cats you've been feeding all spayed and
neutered?)

 

Please do NOT involve your local animal control agency.  They very well
might round up the cats and kill them.  If you want to get those cats homes
then take in one or two of the tame ones in at a time and foster until a
home is found.

 

 

 

From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight

 

Dozens of years re feeding.  We trap, s/n and release.  That is the price of
free food.  I would not feel right about abandoning my wild friends.  When I
moved to care for my mother, I got neighbors to take care of the one feral
at that house.  I visited when I could and furnished the food.  We have fed
ferals at Mom's for as long as I can remember.  And calling a shelter will
probably result in the death of most of the cats you have been caring for.  

On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:02 PM, dot winkler wrote:





Hi.  I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru
- I didn't see any replies.

I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat
feeding.  I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now.

I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and
will have a very difficult postop recovery.  I have no-one else to feed the
cats.  I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the
newspaper to expose their plight.  Perhaps some can be adopted, if a
facility would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the
newspaper.  I also could try to help in the adoption process.  ALSO, my
other question is, how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats?  I
am thinking this cannot go on forever.  Where do I find people to help me
out with it, if I can't find adoptions?  Any input on this, would be great.
Thanks

 

From: Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV  Ascites?

 

I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other
conditions. Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze it
for protein content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this year we
lost two kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted fluid from
the first one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high protein
content. So dx was FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so concluded
that he had pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was greenish_his
sister also got a FIP dx, high prt fluid but more typical; yellow viscous
fluid, no cancer.
I'm wishing all the best to you and your kitten 

 

 http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ http://homelessnomore.webs.com/

 

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To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:00 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV  Ascites?

 

My FeLV+ kitten developed ascites and I'm worried the vet is going to tell
me it's FIP. Does anyone know if ascites is ever related to FeLV?


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[Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stomatitis

2012-08-24 Thread GRAS
Sounds bad – not sure that I would do extractions…the stomatitis is at the back 
of the mouth up  down.  I can’t even guarantee that I could give Sox the pain 
killers when needed – he is extremely hyper and sensitive, very scared of 
strangers….poor cat!  He’s pretty good with us now, but when I pick him up, he 
becomes this tight, curled up bundle.

I have been told that there are no guarantees with immune-suppressed cats.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 12:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Stomatitis

 

Snowy had three separate procedures -- the first to extract teeth, then when 
that did not solve the problem she had the first laser treatment, and then she 
went back for a touch-up with the laser.  So we were doing pain meds before, 
during and after.

 

Snowy's situation was pretty extreme.  Her gums were purple and the pain was so 
severe that she could not eat on her own.  If I tried to put medicine in her 
mouth she went ballistic.  Her mouth was on fire and everything hurt.  We wound 
up doing injectible buprenex for the pain.  This allowed her to eat.  I hid her 
prednisone in cat food.  And then I tucked her in a cage at night with a plate 
of clindamycin-spiked tuna.  That was our process.  But without really serious 
opiate based pain meds none of this would have worked.  

 

I also spent a lot of time hand feeding her.  She was able to lick from my 
fingers what she could not eat from the plate.  I think the plate may have 
bumped or rubbed her gums.

 

The laser was NOT the sort that could be done without anesthesia.  This cat was 
in such extreme pain that she could not even be examined without sedation.  
This was an invasive procedure that burned away the bad tissue and allowed new 
tissue to grow in its place.  It worked.  I really thought we were going to 
have to euthanize this cat.  But the laser really worked.  Still, it was a 
difficult several months and the recovery process was slow.  The pain meds were 
essential to getting both Snowy and me through this.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

2012-08-23 Thread GRAS
I will, thank you!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

 


Natalie,

 

This isn't holistic, but my parent's cat was suffering terribly from stomatitis 
to the point where they were considering putting him down.  Instead, one of the 
vet tech suggested COLD LASER THERAPY - WORKED INCREDIBLY!  Tabby's doing 
GREAT now - has put his weight back on and is back to his reg. self.  Took 5 
sessions I think, no sedation, and each visit for treatment they were in and 
out in under 10 minutes.

 

Check into it!

 

T

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From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 11:52 AM

Kathryn,

I now that you posted the holistic stomatitis protocol a while back, I thought 
that I saved it, but can’t find it.

I would very much like to try it on two of our FIV+ cats with stomatitis – one 
case is severe, one just a little.  

However, those cats are not easy to handle…would I be able to use it on them?

Natalie  =^..^=


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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

2012-08-23 Thread GRAS
I also know someone who had the cat’s teeth extracted – it didn’t work, and she 
wished that she hadn’t done it.  However, I also know someone whose cat was 
helped with teeth extraction!  I’m not willing to take that chance because 
there’s even less guarantee with FIV+ cats!

 

Now I really have to look into the cold laser treatment!  FIV+ Sox is really 
miserable, and gets a prednisone injection every three months!

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 2:42 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

 

Also not holistic but effective...

 

I have a foster who had stomatitis and regenerative tissue gingivitis.  
Removing the teeth did not help.  Her gums were purple and she could not eat.  
She had two sessions with a laser, under anesthesia, and weeks of buprenex, 
prednisone and clindamycin, but she's been off all meds for a couple of months 
now and it seems that she really is OK now.

From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

I will, thank you!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

 


Natalie,

 

This isn't holistic, but my parent's cat was suffering terribly from stomatitis 
to the point where they were considering putting him down.  Instead, one of the 
vet tech suggested COLD LASER THERAPY - WORKED INCREDIBLY!  Tabby's doing 
GREAT now - has put his weight back on and is back to his reg. self.  Took 5 
sessions I think, no sedation, and each visit for treatment they were in and 
out in under 10 minutes.

 

Check into it!

 

T

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From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 11:52 AM

Kathryn,

I now that you posted the holistic stomatitis protocol a while back, I thought 
that I saved it, but can’t find it.

I would very much like to try it on two of our FIV+ cats with stomatitis – one 
case is severe, one just a little.  

However, those cats are not easy to handle…would I be able to use it on them?

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Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens

2012-08-22 Thread GRAS
Some vets even tell people to kill FIV+ kittensunless they were exposed
to FIV directly, they are never positive even with a FIV+ mother!  Why are
some vets so damned stupid?

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 7:17 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens

Some vets say to euthanize FelV cats right away, but most vets now realize
many positive cats revert to negative in time. My 4 positive kittens look so
healthy, and they're playful and adorable. I will give them the happiest
life I can and hope they revert to negative when I retest.

Lorrie

   On 08-21, Jannes Taylor wrote:
I recused a cat who was approx. 3 years old. She tested positive the
first time for FELV but three months later she tested negative on the
ELISA and the IFA.  The first time she tested positive the vet hinted
that I should euthanize her! I am so glad I did not listen to him. BTW,
he is no longer my vet.
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens

2012-08-22 Thread GRAS
Which test did he have?

My new email address is:atia@gmail.com


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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens

Does it make a difference to how you love him?
On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:59 PM, McKenna's wrote:

 We have a bot, belonged to the ahole neighbors who did not take care 
 of him. We have known him since he was about 4-5 months old. Very long 
 story short, we have him. Took him to the vet to get a check up, shots 
 and neutered with the intention of making him a part of our family, 
 along with 3 other cats. Found out he was Feluk+. After balling and 
 researching this crap disease, we decided we loved him too much to let 
 him go anywhere but here. He was approximately 1 year and 8 months old 
 when he tested positive on 11/29/11. He is now almost 2 and a half. I 
 was wondering if anyone could tell me if it would be beneficial to 
 have him re-tested. Is there any chance he may have grown out of it 
 since he was younger when he got it? He eats well and plays well. 
 Sometimes, his stool contains a small amount of blood in it. We have 
 had him tested for everything in an effort to find out why this is. 
 The vet stated she does not believe the blood has anything to do with 
 his FeLuk. He is currently on ID.
 So, does anyone think getting him tested again is a good idea?

 Melissa L. McKenna


 -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:46 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens

 Glad you left that vet.  even if the cat were still positive, at that 
 age she culd live a long and healthy life.  Annie was 4 when she 
 tested positive.  She is now 8 going on 9 and the healiest, happiest 
 cat I ever saw.

  Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I recused a cat who was approx. 3 years old. She tested positive the 
 first time for FELV but three months later she tested negative on the 
 ELISA and the IFA.  The first time she tested positive the vet hinted 
 that I should euthanize her! I am so glad I did not listen to him. 
 BTW, he is no longer my vet.
 Jannes


 
 From: Liz Lee Morris liz...@sccoast.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens


 Hi, I have a kitten who tested Felv positive at 5 weeks old on both 
 the IFA and Elisa test. Both were done on the same day. He is so 
 precious to me and I am so sad. The vet basically said he has no 
 chance. I have been giving him lysine daily and lots of love. He is 
 now 3 months old and is happy and appears healthy. Is it possible that 
 he might be negative now?

 From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 ] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
 Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:55 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens

 Hang in there Lorrie.  Sometimes they turn.  Did you ever find the mom 
 cat? If so, have her tested too.  If she's young, she may turn
 negative in 90 days also.  The ones a year or younger sometimes do.   
 Even older cats can fight it off.  I have a cat who was positive when 
 rescued.  He was about 2-3 years old, male. Had him for about
 90 days in a separate room, retested with IFA test and again with the 
 ELISA test and he was negative with both tests. I still have Moses.  
 It has been 6 years now.  Percy, a recent rescue tested positive for 
 FIV and FeLv.  Kept him in a room for 90 days also, retested. He's 
 FIV+ but negative for FeLv so I moved him to my little FIV+ area.  
 He's doing fine.  Unfortunately, Smooch and Taco were also adult FeLv+ 
 cats, stayed positive after 90 days.  They roomed together, separate 
 from my other cats for 2 years, died within a month of each other.  
 Sad but at least they had those 2 years.  Two years to a cat
 is like 5 years to us.  Hugs to you and the kittens.

 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
 neighbors too!


 

 From:Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:38 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens

 I rescued a litter of four kittens two months ago.  Had them tested
 yesterday for FelV and all 4 are positive!  I am heartsick.   
 However, I have
 a FelV section in my cageless shelter building where they will be able 
 to stay until they are tested again in 90 days.  They appear so 
 healthy and playful right now, and I can't bear to put them to sleep.  
 Still I know some of them may not make it SO SAD.

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Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens

2012-08-22 Thread GRAS
Sorry, I meant which FeLV test was done on him?



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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
longhornf...@verizon.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:32 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens

My FeLV kitty had blood in his stools but he also had coccidia.

Lynda
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Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:11:54
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens

Which test did he have?




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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens

Does it make a difference to how you love him?
On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:59 PM, McKenna's wrote:

 We have a bot, belonged to the ahole neighbors who did not take care 
 of him. We have known him since he was about 4-5 months old. Very long 
 story short, we have him. Took him to the vet to get a check up, shots 
 and neutered with the intention of making him a part of our family, 
 along with 3 other cats. Found out he was Feluk+. After balling and 
 researching this crap disease, we decided we loved him too much to let 
 him go anywhere but here. He was approximately 1 year and 8 months old 
 when he tested positive on 11/29/11. He is now almost 2 and a half. I 
 was wondering if anyone could tell me if it would be beneficial to 
 have him re-tested. Is there any chance he may have grown out of it 
 since he was younger when he got it? He eats well and plays well.
 Sometimes, his stool contains a small amount of blood in it. We have 
 had him tested for everything in an effort to find out why this is.
 The vet stated she does not believe the blood has anything to do with 
 his FeLuk. He is currently on ID.
 So, does anyone think getting him tested again is a good idea?

 Melissa L. McKenna


 -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:46 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens

 Glad you left that vet.  even if the cat were still positive, at that 
 age she culd live a long and healthy life.  Annie was 4 when she 
 tested positive.  She is now 8 going on 9 and the healiest, happiest 
 cat I ever saw.

  Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I recused a cat who was approx. 3 years old. She tested positive the 
 first time for FELV but three months later she tested negative on the 
 ELISA and the IFA.  The first time she tested positive the vet hinted 
 that I should euthanize her! I am so glad I did not listen to him.
 BTW, he is no longer my vet.
 Jannes


 
 From: Liz Lee Morris liz...@sccoast.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens


 Hi, I have a kitten who tested Felv positive at 5 weeks old on both 
 the IFA and Elisa test. Both were done on the same day. He is so 
 precious to me and I am so sad. The vet basically said he has no 
 chance. I have been giving him lysine daily and lots of love. He is 
 now 3 months old and is happy and appears healthy. Is it possible that 
 he might be negative now?

 From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 ] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
 Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:55 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens

 Hang in there Lorrie.  Sometimes they turn.  Did you ever find the mom 
 cat? If so, have her tested too.  If she's young, she may turn
 negative in 90 days also.  The ones a year or younger sometimes do.   
 Even older cats can fight it off.  I have a cat who was positive when 
 rescued.  He was about 2-3 years old, male. Had him for about
 90 days in a separate room, retested with IFA test and again with the 
 ELISA test and he was negative with both tests. I still have Moses.
 It has been 6 years now.  Percy, a recent rescue tested positive for 
 FIV and FeLv.  Kept him in a room for 90 days also, retested. He's
 FIV+ but negative for FeLv so I moved him to my little FIV+ area.  
 He's doing fine.  Unfortunately, Smooch and Taco were also adult FeLv+ 
 cats, stayed positive after 90 days.  They roomed together, separate 
 from my other cats for 2 years, died within a month of each other.
 Sad but at least they had those 2 years.  Two years to a cat
 is like 5 years to us.  Hugs to you and the kittens.

 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
 neighbors too!


 

 From:Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, August

[Felvtalk] FW: FelV positive kittens

2012-08-22 Thread GRAS
No, I haven't heard of IDEXX - looked it up and it seems to be equivalent to
the SNAP test but used on large animals like cows.
Coccidia is a parasite that can easily be taken care of.
Natalie
-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of McKenna's
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 5:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens

Tickles had what is called the IDEXX? test done on him. Does that sound
familiar to you, GRAS?

@LINDA, I have heard of coccidia, but what exactly is it? Can it be cured
with meds? Our vet can't seem to figure out the source of the blood and
feels he may rupture some small capillaries when he is passing stool. He
does not cry out when he goes or appears to be in any sort of discomfort.

Melissa

-Original Message-
From: GRAS
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens

Sorry, I meant which FeLV test was done on him?



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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
longhornf...@verizon.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 11:32 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens

My FeLV kitty had blood in his stools but he also had coccidia.

Lynda
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Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 11:11:54
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Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens

Which test did he have?




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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens

Does it make a difference to how you love him?
On Aug 21, 2012, at 6:59 PM, McKenna's wrote:

 We have a bot, belonged to the ahole neighbors who did not take care 
 of him. We have known him since he was about 4-5 months old. Very long 
 story short, we have him. Took him to the vet to get a check up, shots 
 and neutered with the intention of making him a part of our family, 
 along with 3 other cats. Found out he was Feluk+. After balling and 
 researching this crap disease, we decided we loved him too much to let 
 him go anywhere but here. He was approximately 1 year and 8 months old 
 when he tested positive on 11/29/11. He is now almost 2 and a half. I 
 was wondering if anyone could tell me if it would be beneficial to 
 have him re-tested. Is there any chance he may have grown out of it 
 since he was younger when he got it? He eats well and plays well.
 Sometimes, his stool contains a small amount of blood in it. We have 
 had him tested for everything in an effort to find out why this is.
 The vet stated she does not believe the blood has anything to do with 
 his FeLuk. He is currently on ID.
 So, does anyone think getting him tested again is a good idea?

 Melissa L. McKenna


 -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:46 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens

 Glad you left that vet.  even if the cat were still positive, at that 
 age she culd live a long and healthy life.  Annie was 4 when she 
 tested positive.  She is now 8 going on 9 and the healiest, happiest 
 cat I ever saw.

  Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I recused a cat who was approx. 3 years old. She tested positive the 
 first time for FELV but three months later she tested negative on the 
 ELISA and the IFA.  The first time she tested positive the vet hinted 
 that I should euthanize her! I am so glad I did not listen to him.
 BTW, he is no longer my vet.
 Jannes


 
 From: Liz Lee Morris liz...@sccoast.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens


 Hi, I have a kitten who tested Felv positive at 5 weeks old on both 
 the IFA and Elisa test. Both were done on the same day. He is so 
 precious to me and I am so sad. The vet basically said he has no 
 chance. I have been giving him lysine daily and lots of love. He is 
 now 3 months old and is happy and appears healthy. Is it possible that 
 he might be negative now?

 From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 ] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
 Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:55 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens

 Hang in there Lorrie.  Sometimes they turn.  Did you ever find the mom 
 cat? If so, have her tested too.  If she's young, she may turn 
 negative in 90 days also.  The ones a year or younger sometimes do.
 Even older cats can fight

Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens

2012-08-21 Thread GRAS
I believe that testing at such an early age can often come up false
positive.  I would retest!

Isn't doing ELISA and IFA at the same time, on such a young kitten overkill?

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Liz Lee Morris
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:01 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens

 

Hi, I have a kitten who tested Felv positive at 5 weeks old on both the IFA
and Elisa test. Both were done on the same day. He is so precious to me and
I am so sad. The vet basically said he has no chance. I have been giving him
lysine daily and lots of love. He is now 3 months old and is happy and
appears healthy. Is it possible that he might be negative now? 

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 11:55 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens

 

Hang in there Lorrie.  Sometimes they turn.  Did you ever find the mom cat?
If so, have her tested too.  If she's young, she may turn negative in 90
days also.  The ones a year or younger sometimes do.  Even older cats can
fight it off.  I have a cat who was positive when rescued.  He was about 2-3
years old, male. Had him for about 90 days in a separate room, retested with
IFA test and again with the ELISA test and he was negative with both tests.
I still have Moses.  It has been 6 years now.  Percy, a recent rescue tested
positive for FIV and FeLv.  Kept him in a room for 90 days also, retested.
He's FIV+ but negative for FeLv so I moved him to my little FIV+ area.  He's
doing fine.  Unfortunately, Smooch and Taco were also adult FeLv+ cats,
stayed positive after 90 days.  They roomed together, separate from my other
cats for 2 years, died within a month of each other.  Sad but at least they
had those 2 years.  Two years to a cat is like 5 years to us.  Hugs to you
and the kittens.

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!

 

  _  

From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:38 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens


I rescued a litter of four kittens two months ago.  Had them tested
yesterday for FelV and all 4 are positive!  I am heartsick.  However, I have
a FelV section in my cageless shelter building where they will be able to
stay until they are tested again in 90 days.  They appear so healthy and
playful right now, and I can't bear to put them to sleep.  Still I know
some of them may not make it SO SAD.

Lorrie



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Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list... too quiet

2012-08-15 Thread GRAS
Got, it, too!

 

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list... too quiet

 

Me too!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of lexingtongrn
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 7:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list... too quiet

 

Got it

 

From: James G Wilson phaed...@charter.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 12:56 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Testing the list... too quiet


Hey all,

Just testing the list since it's been so quiet. Hope this 
goes through ok. Best wishes to all.

James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net
http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Support)
http://www.facebook.com/crambone
http://weather62025.com (for Edwardsville, IL)


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Re: [Felvtalk] off topic - - removing kitten's eye

2012-07-23 Thread GRAS
I would use whatever the vet gives you for the eye(s).In the 20 years of
rescuing cats, I have had and still do have several cats that have vision in
only one eye, bad eyes was left intact, and they're fine.  They also had bad
infections that were not treated when they were kittens.  We've had eyes
removed when there was a severe infection and the eyes were either ruptured
or hanging out like little grapes (usually from herpes virus).

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 5:31 PM
To: feline leukemia list
Subject: [Felvtalk] off topic - - removing kitten's eye

 

I trust your insights and experiences.
 
Briefly I chose to foster 3 kittens with significant conjunctivitis from
the local pound about 2 weeks and 2 days ago.  That was on a Saturday.  I
knew come Monday they would be killed.  I have spent significant $ of my $
by choice.
 
All tested negative for FIV, fe leukemia and heart worm this past Saturday.
I chose to vaccinate them including fe leukemia this past Saturday.
 
Maya Mia is about 2 months old.  Her left eye is swollen.  The eye is cloudy
and has become vascularized.  There is no evidence of pus.  Her right eye
had/has a corneal ulcer.  There is a small amount of cloudiness.  Two vets
have recommended to remove the left eye.
 
The first vet backed off that it was an emergency when I asked her what if
re:  the corneal ulcer eye.
 
Two local rescue groups say they have good fortune re:  placing kittens with
less than optimal vision.
 
My question to you is, what has been your experience re:  letting nature
take it's course.  she happily and accurately leaps from atop a cage to one
2.5 away.  She is active.
 
The kittens contemplated future is with an area SPCA.  Their doors are not
open to them at the present.  They would be adopted into forever homes  from
the SPCA or stay at the facility if not adopted..
 
The first vet advised me to use opthalmic antibiotic drops for the present.
I had used opthalmic ointment on both eyes for 10 days.
 
thank you.
 
cz
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas

2012-07-18 Thread GRAS
In the 20 years of cat rescue, with so many FIV+ mother cats, not a single 
kitten EVER was FIV+!  And when and if tested, there was absolutely no sign of 
it by age 3 months, although some vets say that it could be up to 6 months. 
They shed the virus quite rapidly as their immune systems develop.

I have never heard of kittens born to FeLV mothers ever being negative.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas

 

It's not a certainty that the kittens would be positive for FeLv if the mom 
was. You need to test each kitten separately when they are about 12 weeks old.  
Even if they test positive, don't have them killed.  FeLv can sometimes be 
overcome in kittens and in cats.  I have a cat who was positive but turned 
negative after 2 months quarantined in a room.  That was about 7 years ago.  He 
is now with my regulars and still healthy.  This has happened to another cat 
recently although he was positive for FIV.  With FIV they rarely turn after 
they are adults but kittens do turn negative for FIV because they really only 
have the antibodies left over from the birth mom.  Once they are on their own 
and making their own blood, they turn negative for FIV.  However, FeLv is 
tricky and sometimes does not turn in kittens who are born to a positive mom.  
As for fleas, I doubt it.  Fleas can transmit flea tape worm and possibly 
toxoplasmosis but I have never been told by a vet that FeLv can be transmitted 
by fleas. 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!

 

  _  

From: Kathy klovel...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 9:05 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas

 

I'm new to this group  to FeLV.  2 kittens showed up at my house about a 3 
weeks ago, I took them inside, bathed good  put in separate room away from my 
2 other cats.  I just found out that the mother cat has FeLV so have been told 
that the kittens probably do as well.  I found a few fleas on one of the 
kittens last night so immediately bathed both of them again  vacuumed the room 
really good.  I've been so careful to keep them away from my other 2 cats  now 
am a bit concerned that a few fleas could transmit if they got on my cats.  Any 
advice that can be offered is appreciate.  I researched briefly online  saw 
that it was a possibility so am concerned.  I also treated the kittens (a 
little over 8 weeks) w/a flea spot treatment about an hour after their 
bath………..it was specifically for any kitten or cat 8 weeks  older.  Was a 
milder treatment I could tell b/c it doesn't kill flea eggs.

K-

Kathy Wood

“Until one has loved an animal a part of one's soul remains unawakened.” 
Anatole France 1844-1924 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Section 1983

2012-07-07 Thread GRAS
Unfortunately, technically, the Manson creep didn't do the killing
himself...no excuse.  They should stop putting people in prison for silly
little things like possession of grass - they become criminals while in
there. And then there are murderers, rapists, who serve less time than they
do if they had a good lawyer.  The private prison systems is making
millions!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 4:39 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Section 1983

Just look at people accused of torturing, killing people.  They don't get
very severe punishments either.  As far as I am concerned, if you kill
someone, you should die also.  Our jails/prisons are full of life termers
who have killed or maimed someone.  Look at Charles Manson.  How many did he
kill and he is still alive.  


 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 There are so many DNA lists, which I get almost daily, of people who 
 take puppies and kittens, torture them, kill them, use for dog 
 fightingand if they're not caught in the act, nothing is done and 
 they continueposting free animals on Craigslist is the worst! And 
 look at all those who have gone to court for torturing, killing 
 animals - what do they get?  A slap on the wrist, a little fine and/or 
 a suspended sentence.Once in a while, it's slightly more severe.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
 Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 7:36 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Section 1983
 
 You are so right Natalie And as for those people saying Free 
 kittens to a good home, they mean anyone who will take a kitten off 
 their hands!
 
 Lorrue
 
 
 On 06-30, Natalie wrote:
  Whenever people say that, I tell them what it really is: The miracle 
  of death!  First of all, the cat will most likely have the kittens 
  at night, when they're away, in schooland when they say that 
  they get good homes for the kittens, how can they honestly reinforce 
  the absolute need for spaying/neutering to the adopters when the 
  example they set was the exact opposite?  And for every kitten that 
  is allowed to be born and a home found, a rescue kitten will die 
  because homes are so
 scarce.
  
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
  Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 5:35 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Section 1983
  
  Oh how very true. I wish the people who don't neuter and spay could 
  all see this!!!  I get so sick of people who let their cats have 
  kittens so they can witness the miracle of life!  How I wish their 
  kids could watch all those precious cats and kittens being killed!!
  
  Lorrie
  
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Foster Mom with FELV kittens follow up

2012-06-27 Thread GRAS
I remember slightly, but don't recall if there was there a mother that was
tested?  That should be enough, because if she is FeLV+, the kittens are
definitely positive.

If the kittens are positive again, and then you do the IFA, and it's
negative, it doesn't mean that they are negative, it only means that the
virus isn't in the bone marrow yet.  Another snap or ELISA, if positive,
would confirm it.

It seems that they are doing well, so, maybe their second snap or ELISA will
be negative..how old were they when they were tested first - sometimes, at a
too young age, tests like that can be false positives.

I hope I got everything right - I had two adults that were positive, then
tested on IFA, negative - thought they were clear of it - not so fast,
another IFA was positive!  And in the meantime, many healthy cats were
exposed, but to date, not a single cat got infected after being with them
for about 6 months.  One of them died of renal failure while still with me,
the other one was adopted by a vet and is doing very well - he got stressed
out by the move and had a high temperature - fine now.

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jamielynn Storch
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:13 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Foster Mom with FELV kittens follow up

 

I posted a couple weeks ago when I first found out about my kittens testing
positive for FELV.  Since than I have done a lot of research and have a much
better understanding of what I'm dealing with.  They are set to be tested
again in July and if the snap test is positive we will be sending out for
IFA testing.  At this point it does seem as though chances are they are
truly FELV (of course they still have the chance to flip or fight it off
but it does not seem likely all 3 will nor does it seem that it was a false
positive as all 3 kittens were tested separately, at different times with
the tests administered by different peopleall coming back positive.

So anyway Im located in Philly.  More than willing and ready to drive any
distance I can make in a weekend trip for them to find a good home.  So
please watch and share their video I made for them (it might make you laugh
and cry).  Video link: http://youtu.be/N0uqTPhYLTQ

They are absolutely wonderful but I dont have space for 3 FELV negative cats
in my home permanently let alone 3 positive cats.  They will NOT be euthed
due to this but I may have to turn them over to a FELV rescue if Im unable
to find a good placement for them which I would hate to do after raising
them :(.  

-- 
Jamielynn  Storch
www.jlynnphotographyonline.com

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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2012-06-20 Thread GRAS
I got this one, and yes, there was correspondence this week - but I can't
tell you if you're on the list or not - Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Catherine Caughie
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Good afternoon,

 

I haven't received any emails from the group in over a week.  Am I still on
the mailing list:

My email is: 

 

caug...@daytonastate.edu

 

Thank you.

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Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

2012-06-04 Thread GRAS
Since we have cat condos in the garage, I leave it open when the weather is 
nice, for airing out.

One night, after I closed the door, I noticed a huge  “mother of all possums”, 
in the garage near the cat condos.  Didn’t want to budge.  I coaxed him, 
offered goodies, he just looked at me and sort-of hissed.  Lots of sharp little 
teeth! I finally put a large trap in front of him, gingerly pushed him in with 
a snow shovel, and carried him/her out.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 11:27 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

 

The added benefit of possums is that since they are marsupials, they are not 
carriers of rabies!  They are simply weird looking.  I saw my first possum 
about 10 years ago.  We mutually scared each other out of our skins.  Then we 
tip-toed back around the corner of the house and stared at each other for a 
while.  We both decided that the other was just strange looking but not 
dangerous and from then on they had a place at my backyard feeding station.

 

  _  

From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, June 4, 2012 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION


I love the possums too! They used to eat with my inside outers on my front 
porch, and would sit in the squirrel feeding box that I had in the front yard. 
I love em and the fact that they are marsupials make them all the more 
fascinating(-:

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. 

On Jun 1, 2012, at 9:56 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

 Possums don't bother me but the coons do.  I have trapped and relocated both 
 (not during baby season) because they were raiding my mother's house, 
 threatening her ferals and endangering themselves thanks to the problems they 
 were causing neighbors.  They were relocated to a farm I own.  I brought the 
 coons over immediately because they were vicious and very likely to hurt 
 themselves trying to escape (can't blame them).  They get/carry a lot of 
 diseases including canine distemper which makes people think they are rabid 
 when they are not but they do carry rabies.  As noted, they can easily kill 
 cats and dogs, even hunting (read fairly large dogs).  They are extremely 
 messy and destructive and can get into about anything.  I know, and knew, 
 from personal experience but was not willing to turn the captives over to 
 hunters or to locate them where there wasn't an appropriate environment.
 
 Possums will defend themselves if they have to but are fairly calm...again 
 from personal experience.  They are wonderful at insect control and I have 
 watched them under the porch lights on the farm...inhaling the insects.
 
 Just FYI:  The coons are very cute and charming.not so much with the 
 possums but they are actually darlings in my world.
 On Jun 1, 2012, at 8:54 AM, Natalie wrote:
 
 Whenever someone dumps a cat around here, I always see them eating together 
 with possums - it's amazing.  The first time I saw it, I was really 
 terrified for the cat!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
 dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 12:22 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION
 
 cats and possums getting along.  That was one worry I had about feeding the 
 birds, that the cats could be hurt by them.  So far, all my cats have enough 
 good sense to back off when they and the coons come up to eat.  Somehow they 
 seem to know they could not win a fight with either one of them.  Coons can 
 kill a full grown dog, especially if they get them in enough water to hold 
 their head down until the drown them.
  Dana Giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote:
 I feed mine on the ground inside a bin which I have cut out the sides of so 
 they can pass through. I lean boards up  Against the sides. It's low 
 perfect for a cat and opossums but apparently too low and awkward for a 
 raccoon to get in there. I put a large deep square plastic food bin inside 
 and a piece of styrofoam on the floor inside to wedge the food bin into one 
 place. Opossums and cats get along fine so I let them share. My main issues 
 end up being ants and slugs which I use food grade diacetemous earth and 
 sandpaper to deter. I also have a rope light out there - dunno if that 
 deters so wanted to mention it. Hope that helps.
 
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that 
 are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts 
 upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is 
 to me sufficient justification of the 

Re: [Felvtalk] RenAvast for cats

2012-06-03 Thread GRAS
I don't know - but what helps one of my FIV+ cats who gets crystal, is
putting apple cider vinegar into the water - good quality, of course, and
start with a drop, slowly build it up to more to acclimate a cat to it.  I
add ACV to my bottles of drinking water - makes the water taste so much
better. I also add Vitamin C in crystal form to the food, in very small
amounts, slowly building up - I mixed it with biotin, now I will mix with
the NutraMin.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 7:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RenAvast for cats

Wonder if this would help my Homey - she has sturvite crystals.  Keeps
coming back.

 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 Hi, everyone;
 
 I thought this might be of interest to you.
 
 One of our older cats (17) - blood tests revealed slight renal 
 problem, for which my vet recommended a new product RenAvast; there's 
 a lot more info on it if you search.  http://www.renavast.com/  I 
 contacted them and since I am a 501 (c) (3) group, they kindly they 
 offered wholesale prices (as to a vet). Apparently, you can start using it
on cats who don't have a problem
 yet.
 
 I also started using NutraMin as a supplement for all the cats.
 
 Natalie
 
  
 


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[Felvtalk] Cat shelters

2012-06-02 Thread GRAS
We built 4 cat condos in our large garage. They don't sit in cages - those
are small rooms with cubicles, shelves, scratch posts, etc.  There's
full-spectrum lighting new  cats, cats that need medications in their food
(or else others would eat it, or they recuperate from surgeries, dentals,
spay/neuters..) I also use large cages to acclimate them to a group of cats
- they get to know one another safely; then I open the door.cats either
leave or they don't - until they are ready.  Others will come into the cage
to keep thyme company, etc. We also have a bathroom with a screen door to a
room where we spend a lot of time - for terminally sick cats or very old
cats that need special care and don't want them to be alone, or introducing
cats to the others. We also have a large cat room with outdoor access. A
FIV+ room,, etc. If no room, then there's always a bathroom to use in an
emergency.

Unfortunately, many shelters don't even try finding adopters.it's easier to
just kill them.  We had to force the town shelter to have weekend hours
because people work. 

Etc. etc. etc.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 12:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/placing the
stray cats

 

They will just sit in a cage until they get adopted for god knows how
long. 

 

I always pipe up when somebody says that cats sit in cages at shelter/in
jail, etc..well that is true of kill shelters and some no-kills. And BTW not
all open policy shelters put the cat in the cage and leave it there.

 

No-kills specially know very well that an animal can't live in a cage. I
don't work at a shelter but am close friends with a nk and several HS's.
Cats don't do well in cages for an extended period of time. While medicating
and being socialized, acclimated and other changes, yes, they have to be.

But it is dangerous actually to hold animals in cages b/c of stress which
leads to disease. They know that or should know it.

Depending on room cats are taken out of the cages and let roam in rooms,
ussualy are in for the night. At the no-kill the only cats in cages are sick
ones or baby kittens. Even fractious cats they separate in groups in small
rooms. For instance one year ago the nk shelter took one of my rescue cats,
she was tame but has a very short fuse. She was in a cage during
quarantine(10 days) and that was it. Afterwards shared a room with one cat
she could bear, doesn't like much other cats.

She'd swipe at people too so she needed an understanding owner, finally last
week that family showed up and she was adopted.

In your situation I'd ask a  no-kill shelter, true most are full but you
never know. Unless you wish to keep all the cats, which probably for them is
the best alternative. Where are you at?

Marta

 

 

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I was going to suggest a ramp, but alas, the coons could also use it.  

RE:  taking them to a no kill shelter, if it is like the ones around here,
they are not able to take on any more dogs or cats.  Everyone who has lost
ajob, home and has to move in with relatives, brings their animals to the
shelter.  You are right, they would have to spend some time there especially
if they are not socialized.  That takes time and that means time in cages.
I took 2 from P.A.L.S..  I had gone to see about 1 cat and ended up with
both Lil Bit and Casey.  They had been in an 8 x 10 cage with about 6 or 8
other cats for over a year.  Lil Bit is just now moving around the house
because she is so small (6lbs) and timid and Casey is getting used to NOT
being allowed to bully everyone.  I just wish people would bring a short
letter giving information about their pets so the adopter would understand
why they are the way they are.  Often they are misunderstood and end up back
at the shelter because people do not have the patience to try to understand
them


 dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Speaking of all this about the raccoon, anyways, wish I could find homes
for the 7 cats i feed every day.  They are all so beautiful and quite
healthy looking with all the meat i feed them and the dry food.  At least 3
of them are very friendly and the others are coming around, too.  Anyone
have any input about how to place these cats?  I hate to bring them to a
shelter even if it's no kill.  They will just sit in a cage until they get
adopted for god knows how long.  It's very hard feeding every day.  It's
just me and my husband.  We can never go away anywhere now because of it.
What are your experiences?  Dotty





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Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply

2012-05-31 Thread GRAS
Please don't trap this time of year, they could still have babies
somewhere.and depending on the state, laws may prohibit relocation of
wildlife (as in CT).

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:45 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply

 

Hi - That's an idea.  I'm waiting to see if the coon returns.  I just
restarted the dry food after two weeks of not putting it out.  I'm afraid to
trap it - it may have babies somewhere.  I'd feel bad.  I read coons can't
jump or climb but also had some feedback that, yes they can. Wondering about
this.  Dotty

 

  _  

From: MaiMaiPG cougarcl...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply

 

Do they have battery operated radios that have timers?  Be aware that coons
can destroy about anything.  If this is one coon or maybe two, can you trap
it and relocate it?  

On May 31, 2012, at 6:32 AM, dot winkler wrote:





Hi Martha - I don't live nearby.  I live in the next town over.  I drive
over there once a day.  Wish i did.  That would be a good idea if I could
have noise at night to deter the critters!  Thanks

 

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From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION

 

A radio playing at night has reduced the raccoon visits at our chicken-coop,
maybe it would help with the cat situation?

 

 

 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-29 Thread GRAS
To everyone, including Charles, who still seems to be reading the mail:

This is my final comment on this topic, and if it offends some, ask me to
leave the group.

I'm sorry, whether the first note from Charles was someone's idea of a joke,
as suggested, or not, his second note certainly sounds like one too - it's a
complete turnaround, a little hard to believe. His stud cat lives in a cage,
gets out for daily walks, and that's love - and we're all idiots because
we advocate spaying and neutering and express concern for a female cat that
was purchased for only one purpose, to breed with his beloved stud cat,
for what purpose? To sell the kittens.

Sadly, the purchased breeder cat for whom he paid $300 is FeLV+, and that's
where the problem came in, not a real concern for her illness. She wouldn't
be able to be used as a breeder. Had she been healthy, she, too, would be
living in a cage, with her kittens over and over again, like in a puppy
mill.  The kittens wouldn't even have been home-raised, as they deserve.. 

According to Charles, some of us we were bitching about something that
dogs and cats were in the wild - not spayed or neutered?  Where have you
been living, Charles, in  cave? Try to understand what those who objected to
your breeding go through the horrible and emotionally charged and
financially debilitating work of rescuing a huge surplus of unwanted cats.

I belong to a national Alert group; every day, a mere partial list of cats
and dogs on a kill-list goes out of healthy, beautiful, young and old,
begging to be rescued from the heart stick , gas chamber, or more humane
euthanasia. Most don't even end up in nice shelters like the ones some of us
operate, they go to municipal shelters that in many places in the country
are dumping grounds for unwanted animals, living in squalor and filth. And
those are just the ones that somehow got to a shelter or dumping area for
killing.  The rest are discarded anywhere you can imagine, fending for
themselves under horrible conditions, breeding several times a year until we
step in - most times, our work is like a drop in the ocean - but to the
saved cat, it's everything.

Whether Charles' letter was a joke or not (I'm not laughing), the topic was
definitely not.
Whether the poor FeLV+ cat is real or imaginary, isn't funny either.

Natalie - cat rescuer in CT


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

Charles, Please give this beautiful female Bengal to someone who will love
her.  Her life does not need to be cut short.  I have a FelV shelter and
many of my positive cats live many years with the disease.  They have a home
like setting, no cages, and a lady who lives there full time to care for
them and give them companionship. I am in eastern WV, which is too far away
for you, but there are many FelV shelters available, as well as people with
no other cats who would love to have this female as a pet.

Lorrie

On 05-28, Charles Adams wrote:
Hello Kelley,
  Thanks for your kind words. Seems like the majority out here are
pure bone head jerks. I am not breeding to get rich. I love my cat and
he  get's out daily for walks. Hell if they really want to bitch about
something  all  cat's  and  dogs were wild at one point and guess what
they  didn't  get  fixed  in  the wild so what give with these idiots?
Again thanks for kind words and thinking about what is important here.
A  beautiful  female  who's life will be cut short because some greedy
idiot goes to animal shelters and collects animals to sell to others.
Charles

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Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

2012-05-29 Thread GRAS
Chuck - in none of your writings did you ask on how to treat the FeLV+ cat
for the disease!  This is the kind of group this is.

To give you a picture of what happens all over the US, multiply Edna's
numbers...you may get the piucture!

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:39 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

 

Austin, Tx has a total of 400 kittens needing homes

- Original Message - 

From: Edna Taylor mailto:taylore...@msn.com  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:35 AM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

 

Seems that Chuck is the one being rude (for the most part) and well,
keeping his cat in a cage outside just doesn't seem like the type of person
that REALLY cares about his cat, but hey, just my opinion.
 
Also, rescuers are entitled to get a bit miffed when someone is adding to
the problem because ONLY 1 out of every 10 kittens born will find a home,
the rest either die in the shelter or on the streets.  WE DON'T NEED MORE
PEOPLE BREEDING CATS.  If you want to see some examples, I would be happy to
put together a word document with the thousands of emails I get from the
Houston area every day regarding need homes for these kittens/cats  list
of cats to die today, etc. etc.
 


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From: mckennas...@power-net.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 10:31:39 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

What the hell kinda group did I join here? I thought this was suppose to be
an information and support sight for people with kitties with FIV and FeLuk.
Geez, people. I do not agree with breeding, but you're not gonna change his
mind by being nasty.

 

From: Natalie mailto:at...@optonline.net  

Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:21 AM

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FIV kitty needs a home

 

Chuck - not only are you rudely calling list members jerks with their heads
up their asses, now we're a bunch of crooks who want to take that
unfortunate future breeder cat to sell to another breeder, lining our own
pockets; this may be your mentality - it's not ours (if I may speak for
everyone here on this one point).

There's honesty and  there's reality, and it's not pretty. Here's an
analogy:  If a murderer admits to killing someone, does that make him a good
guy just because he was honest?  What's your point - no, please don't
answer.

Just because the woman who sold you the FeLV+ cat pulled the wool over your
eyes, you feel slighted, and now she's the little tramp - you allowed
yourself to be duped because you thought you could make a few bucks off this
cat and yours, however, the loser in these cases is always  the female
breeder cat.

I would be careful about using all those lovely epithets on this list's
members, who have tried hard with suggestions to help you. Have you even
tried some of the very good suggestions from all the members who wrote on
the subject?

I happen to care about cats, no matter whose they are.

 

http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=istry+of+FeLV+positive+cats+s
helters 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

2012-05-29 Thread GRAS
It is unconscionable to allow a FeLV+ cat outside, not only because she will
get pregnant - she will spread FeLV to all cats that mate with her, and the
cycle will continue.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

 

Charles, I don't agree with anyone who calls you a jerk or any other nasty
name.  Most of us on this list are overworked and have constant shortages of
funds. We tend to get impatient with people who are trying, for whatever
reason, to bring more cats into the world. We rescue these FeLv+ cats
because they are unwanted and usually killed at so-called shelters, which
usually shelter no one.  Can you imagine a children's shelter that killed
the children if they couldn't be adopted?  Can you imagine breeding children
for skin color, eye color or other characteristics that were popular at any
given time?  Usually breeding is done for certain characteristics - fur
length, the pug nose look, no fur, curly fur and any number of
characteristics that create designer type cats but have nothing to do with
improving the health or happiness of the cats brought into the world by
breeding.

 

I know that you weren't spending $300 to get a breeding female so that you
could have more Bengal cat pets.  You would eventually have sold the
offspring, possibly not neutered or spayed to other people who want to breed
Bengal cats to sell etc..  Please be honest with yourself.  You did write in
one of your first posts that you didn't want a pet cat in your house.
Allowing the female FeLv+ cat to be outside invites any roaming tom cat to
impregnate her.  So if you think that it's unfortunate to have purchased a
FeLv+ cat, just think about a pregnant FeLv+ cat full of mixed breed
kittens.  Not a good plan.  I understand why you have the male cat outside
in a cage.  Before they are neutered, male cats stink.  I have had a few in
my house waiting for a neuter appointment and it wasn't pleasant.  After
they are neutered, however, the marking scent disappears and they are
wonderful pets again.  You can actually sell your male Bengal after he's
neutered and recoup some of your $300 loss.  You can't sell the FeLv+ cat
but do get her spayed before you have the additional misery of a pregnant
cat who mated with some roaming outside male.

 

One more bit of information Charles, we don't buy cats from shelters and we
don't sell cats that we rescue.  By the time we get the cats ready for
adoption we have sometimes spent hundreds of dollars on getting them
fixed, getting their shots, feeding and housing them until they are
adopted.  Food, litter and time spent in their care cost way over the
adoption price of $50 to $80  per cat.  The adopter gets a good pet that
they can enjoy and love right out of the carrier.  They don't have to
first start to haul the cat to the vet to get him/her fixed and vaccinated.
You probably didn't know this.  Anyway, I'm glad you joined this list.  I
hope you have learned some facts about breeding and cats in general.  I
won't be posting on this topic any more so good luck to you  and I hope you
will do the right thing by your lovely cats.

 

 

 

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[Felvtalk] Watch for this person In Wharton, El Campo, Richmond/Rosenberg, Sugar Land

2012-05-27 Thread GRAS
I'm sorry, cannot relate to your problem because I am a rescue and oppose
breeding, for obvious reasons.  I feel really bad for the poor cat that is
not wanted for anything except breeding (but that's my personal view).
However, I would suggest that you contact a breed rescue or a group that
takes in special need cats such as FeLV/FIV; they may not be in your
immediate area, but it's worth a try, even if transport has to be arranged.
Some rescues have a special area for FeLV cats, as I once did, out of
necessity, but no longer do - only FIV right now. If you contact rescue
groups in your area, they may be able to direct you to someone who may want
to care for this cat.

A member of this group rescues only FeLV+ cats, he's in Nevada, I believe.
We haven't heard from him for a while, though.  Does anyone remember - his
e-mail was something like secondchance meows, or something.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 2:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Watch for this person In Wharton, El Campo,
Richmond/Rosenberg, Sugar Land

 

Well, I don't know about the scam but about the cat; if you don't want her
you could call a rescue. What type of test did they do? I'd test with IFA
tho the in house is accurate for FeLV, or can be. I can't relate much to the
situation you are decribing b/c I live in Nebraska where temperatures can be
extreme so an outside pen is only for nice days(I've one + other cats in
pens outside but have to run them back in when weather turns).

I'm not a breeder so wouldn't know whats usual in this cases. I'm in the
Nebraska rescuers group and can add 'Jennifer' to the DNA(do no adopt
specially but don't deal with too)

As for the Bengal girl, if it were me I'd keep her inside separate from
others and retest. But if you don't want her you should give her up to a
rescue group or a no-kill shelter.

Are you in Facebook? I'm asking b/c it'd be useful to breeders to pass along
this info..much luck, so sorry this happened.

Marta

 

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From: Charles Adams texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 12:41 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Watch for this person In Wharton, El Campo,
Richmond/Rosenberg, Sugar Land

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Re: [Felvtalk] Wasting away

2012-05-22 Thread GRAS
I am so sorry about Orlando!

Lorrie - Is he getting any medical support for his condition?  When I had
FeLV+ cats, and still have 6 FIV+ cats, I gave/give them CoQ10 (50mg) daily,
and Nutramin* (higher than suggested dosage for sick cats), building up the
amount givenwhen I see that there's not much more to be done and you
know that the cat is either in pain or has a just absolutely horrible
quality of life, I opt for euthanasia as a last resort, only after having
done everything that I could.

* I mix Nutramin into the food for all the rescue cats; one of the many
sources they actually gives a nice discount to rescue groups (if you ask for
it and tell them of your non-profit status). 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:05 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wasting away

I am so sorry for your loss of Orlando. I do rescue work and I have several
FelV cats, and one of my favorites is a long haired black male who tested
positive several months ago.  He is not just wasting away.  He is not
anemic, has no tumors, but is just getting thinner and thinner. Since he
shows no symptoms there is nothing the vet can do to buy him a bit more
time, and I know he won't be with me for long. He doesn't appear to be in
any pain, he is just weak, thin and he no longer grooms himself, but he is
still eating.  I've lost many FelV cats, but most had either tumors or
became anemic and crashed. 
Have any of you had FelV cats who just wasted away, and do you think I
should just let him die at home where he feels comfortable and safe?  I hate
to have him euthanized at this point as it is so frightening for cats to go
to the vet.  I would appreciate your thoughts.

Lorrie



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Re: [Felvtalk] Mama died in my arms last night

2012-05-18 Thread GRAS
I am so sorry! She knew she was in your good hands - may Mama rest in peace
and enjoy herself with her family and friends over the rainbow bridge..

 

I just lost a cat that was adopted 7 years ago; I was taking care of her for
the adopter - she stopped eating and was diagnosed with an extremely
fast-growing mass in her stomach that was pushing against the diaphragm,
making breathing extremely difficult for KT. We had to let her go (it
happened within one week and then overnight). She was NOT FeLV+; perfectly
healthy at age 12.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 5:22 PM
To: feline leukemia list
Subject: [Felvtalk] Mama died in my arms last night

 

Her eyes were clear and wonderfully green and her fur luxurious; her teeth
were good.  Mama was highly anemic. She crashed in about a 10-day period.
Mama wasn't Isaac's mama.  He left in Feburary 2011.  Some of you will
remember his story.  Mama was his acting mama.  Now he and Mama and BreAnne
and TorieRose are together.  Thank you for being with us.
 
purrs  rubs
 
cz

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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

2012-05-08 Thread GRAS
Yes, even the smallest needles work, they just take a lot longer. Sometimes,
when you notice that the drip isn't fast enough, even though you've opened
it up, lift up the skin, or move the needle around.  Often, there's a
kink/squeezed together on the tube where it was clamped over to shut down.
Move that whole thing up or down, and squeeze open the kink in the tube with
your fingers by kneading it.

BTW - 6 months old isn't exactly tiny - I would go with a 20..when I had
kittens that were only a few weeks old, I used a syringe, as someone
mentioned.  But at this age, you definitely need to give more fluids than
you can get into a syringe. I assume that you need to give at least 100 mL?.

If the cat is hard to handle, wrap in a towel, keep on your lap with the
head facing toward your left under arm - that way you can control the cat
with left arm wrapped around with hand at the cats behind, while you use
right hand to keep on top of needle gently so it doesn't come out if the cat
moves.

For really hard to handle cats, I use a cat bag; it has zippers and Velcro
everywhere, and you open whatever part of the body you need to expose.

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids
Importance: High

 

What about the 23 gauge?  That's even smaller, correct?  Does it work okay
or does it take forever to get the fluids in because the needle is so small?

I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain
 

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Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 21:45:03 -0400
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

Maureen,

I never use those  horse needles for cats; I prefer the 20x1, and often
use 18x1 as well - it may take a little bit longer, but goes in a lot
easier, especially for kittens.  Some cats have tough skin, and others have
super soft skin and the needle just glides right in. Getting the needles
from the vet gets a bit expensive and they're not as sharp as the ones that
I get here (no prescription needed) - a box of 100 is $6.45
http://www.thrivingpets.com/index.php/terumo-needles-box-of-100.html 

The company is www.thrivingpets.com 

Natalie 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

 

For you guys that give sub-q fluids - 
 
What size needle do you use?  A friend showed me how to do it yesterday but
she has these huge 18 gauge needles.  I'm wondering if I can use a smaller
size.  It's for my 6 month old kitten so I hate stabbing her with that huge
thing.
 
Maureen

I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain


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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

2012-05-08 Thread GRAS
Yes, even the smallest needles work, they just take a lot longer. Sometimes,
when you notice that the drip isn't fast enough, even though you've opened
it up, lift up the skin, or move the needle around.  Often, there's a
kink/squeezed together on the tube where it was clamped over to shut down.
Move that whole thing up or down, and squeeze open the kink in the tube with
your fingers by kneading it.

BTW - 6 months old isn't exactly tiny - I would go with a 20..when I had
kittens that were only a few weeks old, I used a syringe, as someone
mentioned.  But at this age, you definitely need to give more fluids than
you can get into a syringe. I assume that you need to give at least 100 mL?.

If the cat is hard to handle, wrap in a towel, keep on your lap with the
head facing toward your left under arm - that way you can control the cat
with left arm wrapped around with hand at the cats behind, while you use
right hand to keep on top of needle gently so it doesn't come out if the cat
moves.

For really hard to handle cats, I use a cat bag; it has zippers and Velcro
everywhere, and you open whatever part of the body you need to expose.

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 9:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids
Importance: High

 

What about the 23 gauge?  That's even smaller, correct?  Does it work okay
or does it take forever to get the fluids in because the needle is so small?

I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain
 

  _  

Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 21:45:03 -0400
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

Maureen,

I never use those  horse needles for cats; I prefer the 20x1, and often
use 18x1 as well - it may take a little bit longer, but goes in a lot
easier, especially for kittens.  Some cats have tough skin, and others have
super soft skin and the needle just glides right in. Getting the needles
from the vet gets a bit expensive and they're not as sharp as the ones that
I get here (no prescription needed) - a box of 100 is $6.45
http://www.thrivingpets.com/index.php/terumo-needles-box-of-100.html 

The company is www.thrivingpets.com 

Natalie 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

 

For you guys that give sub-q fluids - 
 
What size needle do you use?  A friend showed me how to do it yesterday but
she has these huge 18 gauge needles.  I'm wondering if I can use a smaller
size.  It's for my 6 month old kitten so I hate stabbing her with that huge
thing.
 
Maureen

I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain


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Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

2012-05-08 Thread GRAS
When people ask me why I rescue cats and help animals, and why I don't help
people instead (accusingly, of course), I tell them that the two are not
mutually exclusive and besides, there are plenty of people who help people.
My question to them is, do you help people?,  which often catches them off
guard because they probably don't.

I'm so glad that I never came across a veterinarian like that, although I've
heard of some jerks like that around here..

Natalie

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 1:58 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

 

Had to send this again because it bounced back the first time.  I hate it
when it does that.



  _  

From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:40:59 -0400

Ha, ha - I love it!!!  You sound as pissed off as I was.  Believe me he is
on my shitlist too.  I was boiling about it for days.  Matter of fact I was
just telling my co-worker about him this morning and I got pissed off again
thinking about it.

I guess he just wanted me to take her home and watch her die.  I don't know.
He never did go as far as to say that exactly because I said I wanted him to
give her fluids and do a blood test and then e-mail this other vet so I
could get this experimental drug for dry form of FIP.  I didn't give him a
chance to send me away with nothing.  Course, at the time other than the
fever she was doing okay.  Although she was wobbly on her back legs she was
still eating and everything although she had lost some weight.  So she
wasn't in any pain.  But I think with a temperature of 104 he would have
wanted to do something about that anyway.  The thing is that like
toxoplasmosis shows the same symptoms as the dry form of FIP and if it was
that it could be treated with some antibiotics that aren't even that
expensive.  He's such a dumbass.  I didn't know that the symptoms were the
same until a couple days later and when I asked him about it he said he had
thought about it when he was looking at her.  So if he thought about it and
didn't suggest a test for it then he didn't care.  He figured with FeLV
she's going to die sooner or later so why spend money doing any kind of
tests or treatments on her.  I'm surprised he didn't suggest killing her.
BTW - it's not euthanization unless it's to end suffering so at that point
it would have been just killing her.

I like your answer about doing what you do for the animals.  I'm going to
steal it.  Most everybody just thanks me for helping the animals (I feed
ferals so I run into different people that see me doing it plus going to
adoptions, etc.) but every now and then I get someone who asks why I do it,
as though it's a bad thing or beneath me or something.  I'll use your answer
for those folks.  It's probably better than what I normally say to them, if
you know what I mean!

Maureen


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From: marciabmar...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 12:14:58 -0500
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

What the hell is wrong with this vet, that he didn't even want to help a
little helpless suffering animal feel better? And he has the knowledge and
power to do just that!! I'm baffled. Not tooting my own horn by any means,
but when people ask me why I do what I do for animals, the only answer I
have for them is because I can, and that obligates me.  I make no money of
course, but I spend plenty. I guess it all boils down to caring enough. That
vet would and is on my shitlist and I don't even know him.

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas
2010. 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

2012-05-07 Thread GRAS
Maureen,

I never use those  horse needles for cats; I prefer the 20x1, and often
use 18x1 as well - it may take a little bit longer, but goes in a lot
easier, especially for kittens.  Some cats have tough skin, and others have
super soft skin and the needle just glides right in. Getting the needles
from the vet gets a bit expensive and they're not as sharp as the ones that
I get here (no prescription needed) - a box of 100 is $6.45
http://www.thrivingpets.com/index.php/terumo-needles-box-of-100.html 

The company is www.thrivingpets.com 

Natalie 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2012 8:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Giving sub-q fluids

 

For you guys that give sub-q fluids - 
 
What size needle do you use?  A friend showed me how to do it yesterday but
she has these huge 18 gauge needles.  I'm wondering if I can use a smaller
size.  It's for my 6 month old kitten so I hate stabbing her with that huge
thing.
 
Maureen

I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain

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Re: [Felvtalk] sick FLV+ kitty, worried owner

2012-04-22 Thread GRAS
My vet routinely prescribes Cyproheptadine….just ¼ of a pill induces
appetite very quickly!  I can attest to that! Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of KG BarnCats
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 9:48 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] sick FLV+ kitty, worried owner

 

I'm surprised no one has mentioned an appetite stimulant such as
cyproheptadine or mirtazipine.  These are awesome tools to help keep a cat
eating the top quality foods it needs to rebuild its body.  Also don't be
afraid of an early feeding tube --if-- the cat's prognosis on the other side
of the illness is good.  Even with a FELV cat, some illnesses are not a sign
that the cat is nearing the end.  But adding slow starvation on top of
illness is a path to disaster.  And a feeding tube can be put in (just takes
a few minutes... relatively minor surgery... anesthetia is very short) for
$125 at helping hands clinic in Richmond, if u are anywhere near... awesome
inexpensive clinic profiled on Good Morning America, etc.

Good luck,
Laurie

Laurie

On Sunday, April 22, 2012, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Anna, you've already gotten some good advice.  Anemia will make her feel
rotten.  Treating that with nutrived could help her feel better.  Or try
Pet-Tinic but also give her some folic acid.  I've given anemic kitties
NutriVed, folic acid, Super B complex and B-12.  Be sure to follow up any
med with a syringe of food or water.
  
 Make sure she is eating enough food to maintain her body wt.  That may
mean assist feeding.  There is a great yahoo group to help.
 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/
 You can try some gently warmed meat baby food (no onions or garlic).  It
is easy to syringe feed.   
 You can check to see if she is dehydrated by checking her gums.  If they
are slick she is OK.  If they are tacky she is dehydrated.  That will also
make her feel lousy.  You can give sub q fluids at home.  I buy the fluids
by the case from my local pharmacy.  The IX sets and Terumo ultra thin wall
needles are available on line.  Here are some links that will help
 Sophia Gets Her Subcutaneous (Sub Q) Fluids
 http://www.tinyurl.com/63max
 Go here for info on sub q fluid supplies
http://www.zzcat.com/CRF/supplies/index.html
  
 Hiding doesn't man this is the end.  Just that Sylvia isn't feeling well.
Do try to get some food into here.
  
 Sharyl
  
 From: Anna Waltman anna.walt...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 1:25 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] sick FLV+ kitty, worried owner

 Dear all,
 I've been a member of this list since 2009, when Sylvia, the older of my
two (strictly indoor-only) cats, was first diagnosed with FLV (she'd tested
negative twice as a kitten, then at just over a year old came up positive on
both the snap and IFA tests). We have a great vet, and she's been a happy,
healthy, fat, and sassy calico cat for most of her life. I haven't been very
active on this list in the last year or so because Sylvia has been so
healthy, apart from a case of gingivitis that our vet and I were monitoring
carefully. She's about four years old now, and was originally a stray kitten
in an urban area. I adopted her from an ASPCA in New Jersey. The vet thinks
she got the virus from her mama and it was dormant in her system until the
stress of moving from NJ to MA caused it to turn active.

 Unfortunately, her run of good health seems to be over. Toward the end of
March, she started having diarrhea and seemed lethargic, so I took her to
the vet, who said she didn't have a fever, but gave her a shot of systemic
antibiotics and some subcutaneous fluids anyway. Her energy levels rose and
the diarrhea resolved itself. However, Sylvia's energy levels took a
nosedive again this past week, and she's been totally lethargic. She started
hiding in my roommate's closet and spent an entire night in there on
Wednesday. She's been refusing to play with my other cat, Beatrice, and
hissed last time Beatrice tried to convince her to play chase (not normal at
all-- these two have always been good buddies and playmates).

 Yesterday, we went back to the vet. This time, she did have a high fever
(105) and the vet did blood work, which showed anemia and a high white blood
cell count. The vet said all signs point to infection and suggested
antibiotics and fluids, but she also wanted to do x-rays to check for
tumors...then she also said that even if a tumor showed itself, there would
be no treatment options and we'd have to discuss euthanasia. I opted against
the x-rays as I'm on a limited budget and couldn't really see the point if
the tests wouldn't lead to treatment. We decided to do another round of the
injected systemic antibiotics and sub-Q fluids, and the vet also gave me an
oral antibiotic to dose Sylvia with once a day. I'm going to purchase a
thermometer so I can monitor her temperature daily, as well. I'm under

Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list again

2012-04-16 Thread GRAS
Got this - Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James G Wilson
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Testing the list again

Hey all, 

Let me know if you get this message. I think there are still some problems
with the list. Haven't received any mail since the host said they fixed the
problem. Sorry for the inconvenience. Best.

James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net
http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research  Support)
http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (Weather for
Edwardsville, IL)


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Re: [Felvtalk] NYC: pathetic maybe-FeLV needs foster/adopter

2012-04-09 Thread GRAS
I am on the Animal Alert S-O-S distribution list and get hundreds of e-mails 
daily about cats and dogs on death row – it is enough to drive you crazy and 
keep you from sleeping at night., especially when you see photos of those sad 
faces with pleading eyes. Usually, these poor animals are scheduled to die the 
next morning which doesn’t give enough time to do much about it. Since I 
operate a cat rescue, I am already full up all the time, but have managed to 
get some off death row to foster, we have kept one real character of a cat, and 
have been able to  network to find homes for the few luckier ones!  If everyone 
did one tiny bit, like on this FB site, so much more can be accomplished!  
Thanks for getting involved!  Natalie =^..^=  

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 8:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com; FeLVTalk
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] NYC: pathetic maybe-FeLV needs foster/adopter

 

I saw this cat on the Pets on Death Row Facebook page--heartwrenching, no 
matter how little time he may have on this earth sure would be nice for it to 
end with love and not at that awful shelter. 

Scent from my wireless handheld litterbox =^..^=


On Apr 9, 2012, at 7:26 PM, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:

BY TONIGHT

 

this is a website for cats in the NYC pound system, which is an absolutely 
horrible place. anyone who isn't sick when they get there will be. there's 
question about how much of that is the sheer number of critters who pass 
through the doors, and how much is really bad management and use of resources.

 

every day around 6pm EDT, they post the cats who are marked for death the next 
day--the shelters are open to serious adopters phone calls til 8pm; they start 
euthing at 6am the following day.

 

https://www.facebook.com/nycurgentcats 

 

the guy we're working on is the second one from the left--if you scroll down a 
bit, you'll see his biography; his name is patrick.

 

the problem with these cats is that no rescue will pull them without having a 
definite, approved foster/adopter

 

the website has more info than i do.




MC

--

Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine
Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org)
Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis/Bartonaella link and treatment

2012-04-06 Thread GRAS
Thank you so much!  FIV+ Sox is actually the first one I ever had to suffer
from stomatitis.  I will definitely have him checked for bartonella - it's
great to have all these great  thinking minds in one group! Natalie =^..^=

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kat Parker
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 4:07 AM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis/Bartonaella link and treatment

 

This was sent to me in email from a rescuer I know and work with. I have an
FIV cat I rescued from a drainpipe who now lives with another friend of
mine, John, and is very sick with stomatitis.   Don't know if this will help
anyone, but it's good to pass along since FIV+ and FeLV+ cats have problems
with stomatitis:

Last year one of our vets found literature tying Stomatitis to
Bartonella.  In fact, on the results for Bartonella now there is a
sentence saying that they have now found a connection between
Bartonella and Stomatitis in cats.  A lot of cats carry Bartonella
(also tied into heart issues which a lot of people do not realize)!
So I highly recommend checking for Bartonella before removing his/her
teeth.  The treatment is just a round of Azithromycin.  Since
discovering this connection we have had several cats with stomatitis
test positive for Bartonella and all cleared after a round of Zithro.
I found a few links and pasted below.
Julia

http://www.virginiaveterinarydentistry.com/647115.html

 

 


An association has been established between Feline Stomatitis and a
specific bacterial organism called Bartonella. In a large study 70% of
cats with severe gingivitis/ stomatitis syndrome tested positive for
this organism. Antibiotics in routine veterinary use have no effect on
Bartonella organisms but there is an antibiotic called azithromycin
that is effective. We are now recommending that all cats with symptoms
of stomatitis or severe gingivitis should be tested and those that are
strongly positive be treated. In the same large study, more than 70%
responded favorably to treatment. Bartonella is unlikely to be a
causative organism but one that contributes to the problem. Some cats
do not test positive and some that are positive do not improve, but
the link to Bartonella is promising and most cats that we have treated
have improved substantially.



Love and Katnip,   
  ~Kat~ =^,,^=

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Re: [Felvtalk] Brando and Luna Please add to the CLS :( :(

2012-04-04 Thread GRAS
How sad!  I am so sorry - it's bad enough to lose one at a time, but two..

Last month, I lost two cats, one day apart (one was expected, one was not).

Natalie

 

May I ask what Brando was getting for his stomatitis?  One of our FIV+ cats
has stomatitis and gets injections of prednisone every three months,
sometimes sooner - depending on how he's doing.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 10:17 AM
To: Felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Brando and Luna Please add to the CLS :( :(

 


Monday we lost two wonderful fur friends Brando,well he was one of my
boyfriends at Sids..We had MANY make out sessions which was me holding him
while he slobbered all overr my hair face neck :) He was a lover thats for
sure,he will ALWAYS have a special place in my heart...I had a special
connection with him and knew when he was in need of his medication for his
awful stomatitis that MANY of our Sids kids get. I will forever miss this
awesome guy!

 

Luna,but as I lovingly called her Tuna Pishes :)  Well this wonderful girl
was lucky enough to have gotten herself a home around Christmas time almost
2 years ago with a wonderful family. I had considered adopting her but I
believe she was in her meant to be home,she too will ALWAYS have a special
place in my heart.

Sherry

We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary

than our own,

Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.

Unable to accept its awful gaps.

We still would have it no other way

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 9, Issue 3

2012-04-04 Thread GRAS
I've researched stomatitis, and it seems that there's really nothing other
steroids and the alternative of pulling ALL teeth, cleaning out really well,
and even then, no guarantees, especially in cats with immunodeficiencies
Thank you!
Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
sherryd...@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 1:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 9, Issue 3

Natalie, Brando was getting Depo shots which is a steroid also Sent from my
Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Re: [Felvtalk] Brando and Luna

2012-04-04 Thread GRAS
Thank you! =^..^=

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 5:19 PM
To: feline leukemia list
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brando and Luna

 



Sherry and SIDS family, Natalie,  and all of us who share with each other
here,
 
please wrap yourselves in all-day and night hugs from me.
 
thank you for you soft hearts and open arms.
 
cz
 
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] eye issues

2012-04-01 Thread GRAS
One of our cats at about age 7 or 8, started having spots on his eye, and
they were moving around.  Sometimes they look like a lot less, other times
more.  Eye was checked, it was nothing to worry about and doesn't at all
interfere with his vision. He will be 17 yrs old in July. Spook's eyes are
dark amber and spots are brown. Since your cat has blue eyes, and spots are
blue, it could be the same thing.  I would still have it checked, because no
two things are ever the same. Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Holly Shelton
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 10:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] eye issues

 

Hi there. Oliver had an eye infection that was treated successfully about a
month ago.  Last Thursday, he and another one of my cats had dentals.  All
seemed to go well, Today, I noticed that one of his eyes looked off He has
these huge blue Siamese eyes so you notice when something is weird.  I can't
quite describe it, but it seems like his pupils look like there are spots of
blue from the blue part of his eyes in there on the edge, if that makes
sense.  He is eating ok and of course isn't going to let me get as good of a
look at it his eyes as I want to.   

 

I plan on calling the vet first thing tomorrow morning.  I wonder if he has
some kind of delayed reaction to the anesthesia?  I'd love to hear
everyone's thoughts.  Thanks,  Holly

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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2012-03-22 Thread GRAS
I could have been the type of medication that caused it...

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Holly Shelton
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

My six year old Siamese cat, Oliver tested positive for the leukemia virus
back in December.  He's been doing great, other than having an eye infection
a few weeks back, which cleared up pretty well. I have noticed that there is
a ring of gray hair around the eye that had the infection. Has anyone else
had that happen after an eye infection?  So weird.  My vet has never seen
that happen. 

 

Oliver did have a blood panel done two weeks ago as he is due for a dental
next week.  All of the values, especially the ones that related to leukemia
virus were great.

 

Thanks, Holly

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Re: [Felvtalk] update mssr. phelps - FeLv/FIV cat

2012-03-22 Thread GRAS
Will you try the tonic and slave from the 2053 group? Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of pandie...@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 4:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] update mssr. phelps - FeLv/FIV cat

 

He had the surgery monday to remove the tumor.  the vet called me yesterday 
with biopsy results - salvary gland adnocarcinoma.



-Original Message-
From: Natalie  mailto:at...@optonline.net at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk  mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, Mar 22, 2012 5:08 am
Subject: [Felvtalk]  http://www.adopt.bemikitties.com 
www.adopt.bemikitties.com - for FeLv/FIV cat

Has anyone heard of this?

 

 http://www.adopt.bemikitties.com/ www.adopt.bemikitties.com has a place to 
list vets who are  FIV and FeLV friendly.

 

PLEASE  register your vet if he is one of them so that the next person who gets 
a cat diagnosed in your area won’t get a euthanasia suggestion immediately. 

 

Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!

Maybe That'll Make A Difference

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger:new kitten

2012-03-20 Thread GRAS
Is it the only cat now or do you have other FeLV+ cats in the house?
If you keep kitten indoors, there's NO need to vaccinate, unless there are
FeLV+ cats - always vaccinate only according to a cat's lifestyle. The
vaccines themselves have been controversial and only 80% effective (as all
vaccines are) -so, if there's no need, don't do it.  Natalie

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
botha.marin...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 12:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Ginger:new kitten

Should we inoculate the new kitty against feline leukemia? Marinda Sent via
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Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger - new kitten

2012-03-18 Thread GRAS
Congratulations!

Just wash all the bedding, feeding bowls that are plastic (don't use them,
anyway because they are porous), get some new toys, and you're set! I
remember the days when it was a 6-month wait before one could introduce a
new FeLV- cat into a household that had a FeLV+ cat..Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of pandie...@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 11:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger - new kitten

 

i'm so confused.  they said my cat tested positive for both FIV and felv

 

In a message dated 3/18/2012 10:41:19 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
pandie...@aol.com writes:

the same with felv?

 

In a message dated 3/18/2012 8:07:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
create_me_...@yahoo.com writes:

You shouldm't need to do anything special. You can wash bowls  bedding, but
it really isn' that big a deal. Its not like distemper which lives for
years
Congratulations on your new baby!
Beth

botha.marin...@gmail.com wrote:

Ginger: we want to introduce a 12 week old kitty to our home. What
precautions should we take since my beloved Ginger kitty died of feline
leukemia? Please help! Marinda 
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   2. Re: Scarpetta and Foley Please Add to the CLS :( :(
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So yesterday one of our former Sids kids Scarpetta had to be let gohe
was one sweet boy...I remember the first time meeting himI looked at
him, I told him boy you sure are an ugly kittyhe looked at me with his
loving beautiful eyes?and gave the sweetest yet strangest meowand
instantly he became one of the most beautiful cats I had the honor to know
and love...he had a wonderful home for about the last 6 months with our
wonderful volunteer Marcia...she has taken home several extra special needs
Sids kids and has lost them within this last year...bless her warm heart for
taking home some of the most wonderful cats
?
Foley,oh Foley...he went home almost a year ago with Julie another awesome
kind hearted lady that also has taken home many special Sids kids and have
lost so many too recently...well this wonderful tiger boy left this world
today...my heart is broken...I was going to go visit him and several of the
other former Sids kids this sunday,,,but Julie sent me a message today that
she has to let him go...I will be getting a clay paw print of his...he has a
paw print in my heart as do all the wonderful Sids kidsso much sadness
lately. :( Bless you all...hug your babies tight...
Sherry


We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
than our own,
Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
We still would have it no other way
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bounces

2012-03-12 Thread GRAS
If I send a message that's too long, I get an e-mail saying that it needs to
be approvedbut it never does, so I just shorten it, and re-send it.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 7:37 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bounces

On 03-11, Sally Davis wrote:
Did  anyone else get an email from this group that says the emails are
bouncing? I am afraid to click on it in case it is a malicious link .
James I am still here.
Sally Davis

YES,  I did and it was most upsetting I never have bounced mail, as I keep
my posts short and I trim former messages. I wrote back right to the owner
right away, and still don't know if I'm being dumped!

Did anyone else get this ???

Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bounces

2012-03-12 Thread GRAS
Was there a URL listed (they may take up a lot of space

-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 10:07 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bounces

Last week or so I sent a couple that only had 1 or 2 sentences and it said
it was too long.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 12, 2012, at 7:13 AM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:

 If I send a message that's too long, I get an e-mail saying that it 
 needs to be approvedbut it never does, so I just shorten it, and
re-send it.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
 Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 7:37 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bounces
 
 On 03-11, Sally Davis wrote:
   Did  anyone else get an email from this group that says the emails are
   bouncing? I am afraid to click on it in case it is a malicious link .
   James I am still here.
   Sally Davis
 
 YES,  I did and it was most upsetting I never have bounced mail, as I 
 keep my posts short and I trim former messages. I wrote back right to 
 the owner right away, and still don't know if I'm being dumped!
 
 Did anyone else get this ???
 
 Lorrie
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis

2012-03-12 Thread GRAS
Yes, rescued/trapped stray cats often have it, and they seem to forever have
some kind of eye problems.not serious, but watery, goopy, etc. 

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 12:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Uveitis

 

Anyone ever dealt with Uveitis (eye inflammation)?  My FeLV kitten had a
scratch or something in her eye but that is healed but her eye is still
really red and irritated.  The vet suspects her FeLV is causing the
irritation and redness to continue.  Right now she's taking Baytril and
Clavamox, Interferon Alpha, and Flurobiprofen drops and Terramycin ointment
in the eye.


I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain

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Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis

2012-03-12 Thread GRAS
Has anyone noticed that we get double mailings?

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jbero tds.net
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 3:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis

 

I have had a kitten with a severely scratched cornea.  After treatment for a
week the eye continued to not heal and ultimately the eye was surgically
removed.  After that it healed well.  Her eye was in really bad shape
though.  Corneal abrasions generally heal quickly, but with felv it may
hinder the healing.  

 

I would recommend vitamin c  (mega c can be order via internet and works
well) as well as colloidal silver (mesosilver is a good quality colloidal
silver) and finally tonic (a herbal mixture of four herbs that promote
healing and support the immune system - a great group for advice on this is
group 2053 - I can give you the email address if you're interested).  Oh
wait one more thing - standard process has an immune support supplement that
you could add as well as a whole body support supplement if you're
interested.  There are a host of choices - personally I'd start with mega c
and silver as the vitamin c helps with wound healing and silver both helps
with wound healing and is a great antimicrobial.

 

Good luck.

 

Jenny 

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
wrote:

Anyone ever dealt with Uveitis (eye inflammation)?  My FeLV kitten had a
scratch or something in her eye but that is healed but her eye is still
really red and irritated.  The vet suspects her FeLV is causing the
irritation and redness to continue.  Right now she's taking Baytril and
Clavamox, Interferon Alpha, and Flurobiprofen drops and Terramycin ointment
in the eye.


I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain


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Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger

2012-03-11 Thread GRAS
I have so many poems, but haven't seen this one yet; thank you for posting
it - Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 9:07 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger
Importance: High

Maybe this will help:

 From a cat
When humans die, they make a will
To leave their homes, and all they
Have to those they love.
I too would make a will, if I could write.
To some poor, wistful, lonely stray
I'd leave my happy home,
My dish, my cozy bed, my cushioned chair, my toy, The well-loved lap, The
gently stroking hand, The loving voice, The place I made in someone's heart,
The love, that at the last Could help me to a peaceful, painless end Held in
loving arms.
If I should die,
Oh! Do not say:
No more a pet I'll have
To grieve me by its loss.
Seek out some lonely, unloved cat
And give my place to him.
This is my legacy,
The love I leave behind,
'Tis all I have to give.
-- Margaret Trowton --  

On Mar 10, 2012, at 11:23 PM, Melinda Kerr wrote:

 Well said!  I was trying to think of how to say the same thing.
 On Mar 11, 2012, at 2:16 PM, GRAS wrote:

 I am so sorry about Ginger; every time I hear of a cat dying, it 
 hurts, whether it's someone else's or my own...and it happens so 
 often on this list!
 No, getting another cat is not betrayal; I see it as a wonderful 
 tribute to the cat that died!  There are so many out there that are 
 in desperate need of a home, and if you can prevent a death in honor 
 of your cat that just passed, even better! Natalie



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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: TNR

2012-03-11 Thread GRAS
A friend also used those wooden garbage bin holders that open from the
frontshe cut openings for entry, put in a shelf for more sleeping space,
filled with hay or straw, or even smaller individual Styrofoam cubicles
without lids, and it housed about 10 or more cats.
BTW - Rubbermaids also make great covered litter boxes for multiple cats.
Cut an appropriate opening in front, depending on cats' needs (low or higher
threshold), and presto, litter box with a lid!  Natalie  

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 9:11 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: TNR

Plastic rubbermaid totes will help too.  If you cut a hole toward the end on
one of the long sides and leave the lid on top, you can stuff it with a
little hay or pine needles (no cloth please, it holds water).  Cutting the
hole this way lets them get further out of the weather and feels safer than
putting it in the middle or on a short side.  The top acts as a roof,
repelling water and wind and makes it easier to tend to the box.  I like to
put a little Sevin in for fleas during the season.
On Mar 11, 2012, at 12:03 AM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
 wrote:

 If the caregivers provide protection for them, even a styrofoam cooler 
 wll protect frm rain, snow and with a bit of straw, they can be warm.

  GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:
 At least the cat colonies don't have to freeze in the winter in FL 
 like they do elsewhere.

 Most TNR groups that I know of in this area don't tests at all.



 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
 Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 1:27 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: TNR





 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com
 Date: Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 1:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org



 Definitely not to argue, but to provide some perspective on high 
 volume TNR and the ACA (and Neighborhood Cats) stance on routine 
 testing of TNR ferals...



 While millions of cats are of course killed in shelters each year
 nationally, the free roaming cat population on the streets may  
 differ vastly
 geographically.  In my city (Tampa), there are hundreds of  
 thousands of
 feral cats.   There are several of us constantly practicing TNR on  
 the
 population at large (or colonies where the feeders are not  
 fixing--a huge
 sore spot with us, too), meaning trapping pretty much every week,  
 sometimes
 more than once a week, cats who are not at our own colonies.  Some  
 of my
 friends trap anywhere from 10 - 50 cats per week for TNR (and of  
 course
 kittens and such are rescued as much as space/socialization/fosters  
 permit,
 sick cats treated, etc.)  Routine TNR's--not being rescued for  
 adoption or
 not being addressed/treated for illness are not tested.   If we  
 tested every
 cat, we could only spay/neuter/vaccinate a fraction of the cats.   
 There
 would be far more (exponentially, we all know how cats can  
 reproduce--here
 it's hot and a mama will have 3 litters a year) cats breeding,  
 spreading
 illness.  There would be more negative AND more positive cats, and  
 therefore
 since unfixed, also more positive (and negative) kittens being born  
 on the
 streets.   In our city, we are serving the greater good by fixing  
 as many as
 possible.   Since we all also do a lot of rescue, pulling  
 friendlies/dumped
 cats, or cats to be treated for illness, from colonies, I can say  
 we run
 into FELV fairly seldomly.  Despite my own very high # of colonies,  
 in
 addition to helping people rescue and fix cats all over, I have run  
 into
 FELV the most of anyone I know and it's really just been in two  
 areas, close
 in proximity, where the feeders are NOT fixing the cats.  Disease
 definititely seems to proliferate where the cats are unsterilized,  
 though of
 course I realize it spreads in other ways besides reproducing.



 As TNR has steadily increased in our county, the # of cats  
 euthanized at our
 county AS has steadily declined--I can share a graph if anyone is
 interested, the results are absolutely amazing and pretty much in  
 direct
 proportion in terms of euth decrease/TNR increase.   Several years  
 ago
 16K-18K cats were killed per year at this county shelter; now it is  
 down to
 around 9K.



 Even our own local Humane Society--which has the most awesome s/n/TNR
 clinic, but was very firm on testing for years, finally conceded  
 with the
 ACA/Neighborhood Cats stance that, on routine TNR's not showing  
 signs of
 illness, the resources are best spent in sterilizing more cats than  
 on
 testing.  They do sometimes call us while assessing/operating and  
 say they
 feel a particular cat needs to be tested.  They are elated by the  
 decrease
 in shelter

Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: caboodle ranch (pet-abuse.com DNA national website)

2012-03-11 Thread GRAS
I wonder what qualifies cases to be listed on the registry….it probably has to 
be validated by an investigation, arrest – some are marked “alleged” and some 
“convicted”…This site has other great info, the connection between animal abuse 
and further violent behavior, etc.

The rescue community always posts Do Not Adopt (DNA) lists, names and 
descriptions of adopters and what they have allegedly done and are doing. 
Unfortunately, more often than not, these people are NOT investigated because 
police or AC need more proof, or they just couldn’t care less, yet we know what 
they’re doing!

Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 5:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: caboodle ranch (pet-abuse.com DNA national website)

 

I'm so glad this exists, but it's extremely hard to look at. It made me want to 
barf.

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. 


On Mar 10, 2012, at 3:55 PM, dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com wrote:

There is: I found one database that seems amazing but it's suprising how often 
people don't know about it and just uselessly circulate DNR's on lists:   It's 
called http://www.pet-abuse.com/

 





On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 2:36 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

PS  Those who dump animals should never be allowed to hve another animal.  
There should be a list circlated nationwide for humane societies and rescues.  
As for thosewho dump children or abuse them, they should be spayed or neutered 
so they can never have another child to  inflict pain and suffering on.


 dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 You mention people abuser.  I was told by an investigator for the humane 
 society that wen he is called to ivestigate animal abus, 9 times out of 10 he 
 also reports child buse.  I AM NOT SAYING GRANT IS THAT, BUT PEOPLE WHO 
 DUMP THEIR ANIMALS WULD FIT INTO THAT CATAGORY.  THEY HAD A CHILD BUT NOW 
 IT IS TOO MUCH TROUBLE SO THEY ABUSE AND EVEN DUMP THEM ON THE ROADSIDE OR 
 SEND THEM TO GREYHOUND BUS TERMINAL WTH A NOTE SAYING THEY CAN NO LONGER COPE 
 WITH THE CHILD, PLEASE SEND TO BAPTIST CHILDREN'SHOME.  I just wish I could 
 also adopt the abused, unwanted children and give them a good home with lots 
 of cats and dogs to teach them the meaning of love.  Then all could learn to 
 love and be loved and be happy.  THAT IS MY SERMON FOR THE DAY.


 Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Amen, I agree 100%. It's time for the dumpers, who are virtually invisible, 
 to start paying the piperwho are virtually invisible, to start paying the 
 piper.
 
Amen two..there should be a way to catch them, and if possible then once that 
dumping is stopped lets see how many true hoarders_and there are_ remain.
Justice would be served that way. But it is not possible, somebody should 
invent a device to catch them..or something. We can just preach for now **don't 
dump, you are not only putting your pet(or your foundling)life in jeopardy but 
are hurting the good person behind that fence. Right now you are a peoples 
abuser even if you don't realize it and if you don't now you do. People will go 
to jail and have their lives ruined b/c of your actions and the cat/dog you 
left might even die.**
Lets grab the dumper's conscience and hardwire with that statement so they can 
hear it the rest of their lives..ppl walk away satisfied now the fur they left 
will be taken care of and they found a good solution to their problem, lets 
change that playback(and some of this people won't take the animal to a Humane 
Society because it'll be put down..Yes it can happen, but know the outcome 
from your dumping is not very different plus there's a persons reputation and 
all the animals she tried so hard so to save at stake now too..deal with 
it!!(I've seen that and it males so angry)
Marta
 
 
 

 
It's time for the dumpers, who are virtually invisible, to start paying the 
piper. And the people who TRULY have good intentions to stop being persecuted.


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Re: [Felvtalk] TNR

2012-03-11 Thread GRAS
Are you talking about ones that are over-size for this group?  Just erase
some older comments at the bottom, and re-send.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Kerr
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR

 

I also received that email and did not know what it meant.  I know my last
posting was very short and posted.  I was thinking that maybe a filter was
causing some of the emails I should have received to bounce as I often read
a chain with emails that I didn't see.

 

 

 

On Mar 12, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Sally Davis wrote:





Did anyone else get an email from this group that says the emails are
bouncing? I am afraid to click on it in case it is a malicious link .

James I am still here.

Sally Davis




 

The real problem is feeders who do not TNR.  That's how these feral/hard
stray colonies get out of control.  Managing these colonies means
responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed.  

 

JMHO

Sharyl

 

From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

 

I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of
them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don't like some of the
ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for.  Some groups spay cats
and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a
known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as
infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures.

Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical
care!

I can't even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700
cats!

Natalie

 

 


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.  Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in a feral colony.
I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies.  The adult males and females are
released back after recovery from their surgeries.  Males 1 day and females
3-4 days as long as they are doing OK.   The kittens I tame and try to adopt
out.  The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these feral/hard
stray colonies.  My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only happy
outside in his colony.  We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but we
can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have
been spayed/neutered.  At least that way the population is controlled. 


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Re: [Felvtalk] TNR

2012-03-11 Thread GRAS
Messages too long.

What I don't understand is that until recently, the accepted size was 20KB,
now slightly longer ones are allowed to come through - this one was 30KB (I
will erase some things from the bottom before II send this). Does anyone
know what the limit is right now?

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of P Rose
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR

 

I also received an email. I'm fairly new to the group and haven't posted as
of yet. I didn't understand why they said the emails to me were bouncing
because I have been receiving all of your posts on a regular basis. Anyone
have a clue?

 

Prairie Rose

 

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com wrote:

I also received that email and did not know what it meant.  I know my last
posting was very short and posted.  I was thinking that maybe a filter was
causing some of the emails I should have received to bounce as I often read
a chain with emails that I didn't see.

 

On Mar 12, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Sally Davis wrote:





Did anyone else get an email from this group that says the emails are
bouncing? I am afraid to click on it in case it is a malicious link .

James I am still here.

Sally Davis

The real problem is feeders who do not TNR.  That's how these feral/hard
stray colonies get out of control.  Managing these colonies means
responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed.  

JMHO

Sharyl

 

From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

 

I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of
them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don't like some of the
ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for.  Some groups spay cats
and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a
known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as
infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures.

Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical
care!

I can't even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700
cats!

Natalie

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Re: [Felvtalk] TNR

2012-03-11 Thread GRAS
What is the maximum size this group handles right now?
It used to be 20KB, now I just saw a 30KB that came through.  This is very
confusing. I have even tried sending something longer in sections, and it
didn't work.
Would you please change my e-mail address back to the original one:
at...@optonline.net or in addition to the one I am using right now.
Thank you,
Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James G Wilson
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 11:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR

Hey all,

We've been having problems lately of certain email hosts bouncing mail back
to the server. Even my address was bounced. It seems to be happening every
couple of weeks lately. Don't worry though. I go in and manually reset all
of the group's addresses back to regular mail. 
Sorry for the inconvenience. But, as long as spammers are allowed to flood
the networks, we'll have to deal with this. Please feel free to let me know
if there are any other issues. Best wishes to all.

James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net
http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research  Support)
http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (Weather for
Edwardsville, IL)

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Re: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Quigley

2012-03-10 Thread GRAS
I lost another one today - I am totally drained. Preston, who was blind and
declawed, found abandoned in September in a rural area in CT, has been with
us all this time, looking for a home. He finally had a home to go to
tomorrow.  I had been treating him for CRF and while I was giving him fluids
last night, I noticed that he breathed in an odd way.I thought that I heard
a sort-of rattling in his lungs when I carried him.  He always purred and
made cookies (happy feet) on his beloved fleece blanket.I decided to get him
checked out one more time before he was to leave tomorrow.  X-rays were
taken - huge mass in his lungs, fluids drained were yellow and red, and he
started fading fast.  We rushed back to the hospital, and held him while he
was euthanized..Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 4:37 PM
To: feline leukemia list
Subject: [Felvtalk] S'Matter  Quigley

 

rocking with you and your beloveds.
 
thank you for being here with us.  what a family we have  - - here and
beyond.thank you for your faithfull-ness
 
purrs  rubs
 
cz


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Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:55:50 -0500
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Please add to the CLS :(

Sherry,

So sorry about S'Matter.

I lost a cat yesterday, had to have Quigley euthanized. NOT from  FeLV, but
to a very severe kidney infection - he was over 16 yrs old, grey with the
most amazing emerald green eyes (left on our doorstep in a carrier years
ago).

Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 1:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Please add to the CLS :(

 

I am sorry for your loss :(
 

  _  

Date

: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:30:16 -0800
From: sherryd...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Please add to the CLS :(


This morning we lost sweet scared S'Matterhe was quite the scaredy
cat,but we did our best to calm his fears...he never really trusted us
totally,but when I handed out treats I spotted him out of his hiding spot in
the last couple monthstook pics to prove to others that he was a little
braverwell I hope this wide eyed boy is calm and relaxed nowwe will
miss you S'Matter  :(

Sherry

 

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[Felvtalk] FW: S'Matter Quigley

2012-03-10 Thread GRAS
I sent this before, but it was too large.

I lost another sweet cat today - I am totally drained. It hasn't been a good
week. Preston, who was blind and declawed, found abandoned in September in a
rural area in CT, has been with us all this time, looking for a home. He
finally had a home to go to tomorrow.  I had been treating him for CRF and
while I was giving him fluids last night, I noticed that he breathed in an
odd way.I thought that I heard a sort-of rattling in his lungs when I
carried him.  He always purred and made cookies (happy feet) on his beloved
fleece blankets.I decided to get him checked out one more time today before
he was to leave tomorrow morning.  X-rays were taken - huge mass in his
lungs, fluids drained were yellow and red, and he started fading fast.  We
rushed back to the hospital, and held him while he was euthanized..Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 4:37 PM
To: feline leukemia list
Subject: [Felvtalk] S'Matter  Quigley

 

rocking with you and your beloveds.
 
thank you for being here with us.  what a family we have  - - here and
beyond.thank you for your faithfull-ness
 
purrs  rubs
 
cz

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Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:55:50 -0500
From: g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Please add to the CLS :(

Sherry,

So sorry about S'Matter.

I lost a cat yesterday, had to have Quigley euthanized. NOT from  FeLV, but
to a very severe kidney infection - he was over 16 yrs old, grey with the
most amazing emerald green eyes (left on our doorstep in a carrier years
ago).

Natalie

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger

2012-03-10 Thread GRAS
I am so sorry about Ginger; every time I hear of a cat dying, it hurts,
whether it's someone else's or my own...and it happens so often on this
list!
No, getting another cat is not betrayal; I see it as a wonderful tribute to
the cat that died!  There are so many out there that are in desperate need
of a home, and if you can prevent a death in honor of your cat that just
passed, even better! Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
botha.marin...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 3:05 AM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Ginger

It's been a few weeks since we lost our ginger kitty. I am still so sad
about my darling! Do you think I should get another kitty so soon after his
death? I feel I would kind of betray my Ginger kitty. Could you please
advice me what to do? Marinda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your
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Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger

2012-03-10 Thread GRAS
I can never understand how people would never want to get another pet; they
just don't want to lose them againbut what a joyless life it would be
without them! Before we started the cat rescue, every time one of our cats
died, I'd rush over to our vet the very next day and ask whether they had
any cats (he always has abandoned cats) - I didn't even ask questions, just
grabbed the first cat that was available. All turned out to be the best
cats ever, as if they weren't all the best cats ever, anyway, right?
Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 12:36 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger

Well said Natalie. So many people struggle with this. I used to have my own
pet grooming business and had this come up every so often with customers. So
sad. Some vow to never ever have another pet. I always told them that they
were such wonderful pet parents and there were so many that needed homes.
But I never thought to say it was a tribute to the pet that died. Such a
wonderful perspective. Thank you!
Marcia

Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas
2010. 

On Mar 10, 2012, at 11:16 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:

 I am so sorry about Ginger; every time I hear of a cat dying, it 
 hurts, whether it's someone else's or my own...and it happens so often 
 on this list!
 No, getting another cat is not betrayal; I see it as a wonderful 
 tribute to the cat that died!  There are so many out there that are in 
 desperate need of a home, and if you can prevent a death in honor of 
 your cat that just passed, even better! Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
 botha.marin...@gmail.com
 Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 3:05 AM
 To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Ginger
 
 It's been a few weeks since we lost our ginger kitty. I am still so 
 sad about my darling! Do you think I should get another kitty so soon 
 after his death? I feel I would kind of betray my Ginger kitty. Could 
 you please advice me what to do? Marinda Sent via my BlackBerry from 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Ferals

2012-03-09 Thread GRAS
That's fantastic!  You are really an example for others to follow! 
Thank you on behalf of all the =^..^=  =^..^=  =^..^=  =^..^=..
Natalie  =^..^=  =^..^= etc.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 7:03 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ferals

Heather, this is a huge undertaking for you and your bf.  What a wonderful
committment.  Thank you.

Lorrie

On 03-07, Heather wrote:
My  bf  and I take care of over 140 feral/homeless cats on the streets
everyday  (in  over  20  different spots), 365 days a year for several
years  now,  they  are  spayed  and  neutered/vaccinated,  treated for
illnesses  as much as we are able.



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Re: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Please add to the CLS :(

2012-03-09 Thread GRAS
Sherry,

So sorry about S'Matter.

I lost a cat yesterday, had to have Quigley euthanized. NOT from  FeLV, but
to a very severe kidney infection - he was over 16 yrs old, grey with the
most amazing emerald green eyes (left on our doorstep in a carrier years
ago).

Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 1:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Please add to the CLS :(

 

I am sorry for your loss :(
 

  _  

Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:30:16 -0800
From: sherryd...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Please add to the CLS :(


This morning we lost sweet scared S'Matterhe was quite the scaredy
cat,but we did our best to calm his fears...he never really trusted us
totally,but when I handed out treats I spotted him out of his hiding spot in
the last couple monthstook pics to prove to others that he was a little
braverwell I hope this wide eyed boy is calm and relaxed nowwe will
miss you S'Matter  :(

Sherry

We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary

than our own,

Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.

Unable to accept its awful gaps.

We still would have it no other way


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Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

2012-03-08 Thread GRAS
Believe me, I am 100% onboard with TNR, it’s just not for me.  I have tried 
several times to set-up colonies in Greenwich, but could not get anyone to 
become responsible caretakers….TNR colonies require really dedicated and 
responsible people, not part-time do-gooders who have no idea how much work 
goes into caring for a colony to keep it healthy. And as I said before, I am 
totally against the immediate release after surgery (spay/neuter, especially in 
the winter))….but you would be surprised how many keep doing it with horrible 
results; their philosophy is that even though they lose a few, they’ve done 
their part!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 3:37 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

 

I know others have also responded Natalie about TNR.  TNR is one of the best 
ways of fighting the spread of FeLV.  In my experience a positive momma will 
have positive kittens.  Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in 
a feral colony.  I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies.  The adult males 
and females are released back after recovery from their surgeries.  Males 1 day 
and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK.   The kittens I tame and try 
to adopt out.  The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these 
feral/hard stray colonies.  My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only 
happy outside in his colony.  We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but 
we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have 
been spayed/neutered.  At least that way the population is controlled. 

 

The real problem is feeders who do not TNR.  That's how these feral/hard stray 
colonies get out of control.  Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, 
feeding and medical treatment when needed.  

 

JMHO

Sharyl

 

From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

 

I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of 
them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways 
that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for.  Some groups spay cats and 
release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known 
fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, 
and even disembowelment due to ruptures.

Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care!

I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 
cats!

Natalie

 

 

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[Felvtalk] FYI - pet food article

2012-03-08 Thread GRAS
As pets have become more important to their owners, what the pets are fed
has become more important as well. Most pet owners are concerned about the
quality and nutrition level of the food they are feeding their furry family
members. There are now hundreds of pet foods available to the consumer. How
do you know what to believe regarding pet food claims?...

Read the full  http://bcvetgreenwich.com/index.php?newsletters=12154
article

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] FYI - pet food article

2012-03-08 Thread GRAS
There have been an alerts out about Costco pet food recalls.

http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=Costco+pet+fod+recall 

 

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FYI - pet food article

 

Does anyone feed Kirkland food? Sold at Costco? 

I have a friend who feeds it to her cats  all of a sudden 4 of her cats
started losing weight. She switched foods  now they are OK.

 

Beth

Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ 

 

 

 

From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 9:42 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FYI - pet food article

 

As pets have become more important to their owners, what the pets are fed
has become more important as well. Most pet owners are concerned about the
quality and nutrition level of the food they are feeding their furry family
members. There are now hundreds of pet foods available to the consumer. How
do you know what to believe regarding pet food claims?...

Read the full  http://bcvetgreenwich.com/index.php?newsletters=12154
article

 





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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: TNR

2012-03-08 Thread GRAS
At least the cat colonies don't have to freeze in the winter in FL like they
do elsewhere.

Most TNR groups that I know of in this area don't tests at all.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 1:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: TNR

 

 

-- Forwarded message --
From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org



Definitely not to argue, but to provide some perspective on high volume TNR
and the ACA (and Neighborhood Cats) stance on routine testing of TNR
ferals...

 

While millions of cats are of course killed in shelters each year
nationally, the free roaming cat population on the streets may differ vastly
geographically.  In my city (Tampa), there are hundreds of thousands of
feral cats.   There are several of us constantly practicing TNR on the
population at large (or colonies where the feeders are not fixing--a huge
sore spot with us, too), meaning trapping pretty much every week, sometimes
more than once a week, cats who are not at our own colonies.  Some of my
friends trap anywhere from 10 - 50 cats per week for TNR (and of course
kittens and such are rescued as much as space/socialization/fosters permit,
sick cats treated, etc.)  Routine TNR's--not being rescued for adoption or
not being addressed/treated for illness are not tested.   If we tested every
cat, we could only spay/neuter/vaccinate a fraction of the cats.  There
would be far more (exponentially, we all know how cats can reproduce--here
it's hot and a mama will have 3 litters a year) cats breeding, spreading
illness.  There would be more negative AND more positive cats, and therefore
since unfixed, also more positive (and negative) kittens being born on the
streets.   In our city, we are serving the greater good by fixing as many as
possible.   Since we all also do a lot of rescue, pulling friendlies/dumped
cats, or cats to be treated for illness, from colonies, I can say we run
into FELV fairly seldomly.  Despite my own very high # of colonies, in
addition to helping people rescue and fix cats all over, I have run into
FELV the most of anyone I know and it's really just been in two areas, close
in proximity, where the feeders are NOT fixing the cats.  Disease
definititely seems to proliferate where the cats are unsterilized, though of
course I realize it spreads in other ways besides reproducing. 

 

As TNR has steadily increased in our county, the # of cats euthanized at our
county AS has steadily declined--I can share a graph if anyone is
interested, the results are absolutely amazing and pretty much in direct
proportion in terms of euth decrease/TNR increase.   Several years ago
16K-18K cats were killed per year at this county shelter; now it is down to
around 9K.

 

Even our own local Humane Society--which has the most awesome s/n/TNR
clinic, but was very firm on testing for years, finally conceded with the
ACA/Neighborhood Cats stance that, on routine TNR's not showing signs of
illness, the resources are best spent in sterilizing more cats than on
testing.  They do sometimes call us while assessing/operating and say they
feel a particular cat needs to be tested.  They are elated by the decrease
in shelter euthanasia as well.

 

I have no qualms returning an FIV+ cat to a safe area with a good caretaker,
I had one FIV+ female who lived to be 14 outside until we brought her in to
live her last 9 months due to geriatric issues.  Granted, this was on a
university campus where we often have cats live to be over 10 years old
(just a little different environment from the true streets such as fast food
joints, etc.).

 

I hope me providing this perspective isn't resented--again, it's not
intended to argue, just some comments to explain why many embrace the ACA
perspective on not testing routine TNR's

 

Of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion and best practices for
what they are doing.  The overpopulation problem in Florida is insane, that
is one thing that goes without saying.

 

Thanks everyone for caring about cats!

 

Heather

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

I agree, FeLV should be put down or homed. I have returned FIV cats

Unfortunately, Alley Cat Allies thinks they all should be returned  not
even tested. The place I have gotten ferals fixed believes this  refuses to
test ferals.

Crazy.

 

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[Felvtalk] Part 3 of Caboodle Ranch cats taken away

2012-03-06 Thread GRAS
More than 100 responders are assisting the ASPCA with the investigation,
including staff and volunteers from the University of Florida (Gainesville)
College of Veterinary Medicine, the Maples Center for Forensic Medicine and
the following organizations:

Atlanta Humane Society (Atlanta, GA)
Bay Area Disaster Animal Response Team (Belleair Bluffs, FL)
Cat Depot (Sarasota, FL)
Florida State Animal Response Coalition (Bushnell, FL)
Good Mews Animal Foundation (Marietta, GA)
Humane Society of Broward County (Fort Lauderdale, FL)
International Fund for Animal Welfare (Yarmouth Port, MA)
McKamey Animal Care and Adoption Center (Chattanooga, TN)
PetSmart Charities, Inc. (Phoenix, AZ)
RedRover (Sacramento, CA) 
Sumter DART (Bushnell, FL)

The founder and operator of Caboodle Ranch, Craig Grant, has been arrested
and charged with one count of felony animal cruelty, three counts of cruelty
to animals and one count of scheming to defraud. The cats are currently
considered evidence in the criminal case, but the ASPCA will work on
placement of the animals once their final disposition has been determined by
the prosecutor.

Please check back on ASPCA.org for future updates about the
https://donate.aspca.org/Donate/Donations/Website%20Banners/Website_Banner_
Guardian_5.aspx Florida cats.

 

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[Felvtalk] Part 2 of Caboodle Ranch cats taken away

2012-03-06 Thread GRAS
Since Monday, February 26, the ASPCA's
http://www.aspca.org/fight-animal-cruelty/field-investigation-and-response-
team-members.aspx Field Investigations and Response (FIR) team has been in
northern Florida managing the removal of hundreds of cats from an
overwhelmed cat sanctuary known as Caboodle Ranch. We joined the effort at
the request of Madison County Animal Control and the Madison County
Sheriff's Office, which obtained a search warrant following a thorough
investigation of the sanctuary that spanned more than a year.

The cats were found living in overcrowded and filthy conditions. Many are
exhibiting signs of severe neglect and appear to be suffering from upper
respiratory conditions and eye infections, among a host of other medical
issues. Some sick cats were housed together but not separated by their
afflictions, allowing for the unfettered transmission of various diseases.
Responders have found numerous deceased and decomposing cats on the
property, as well as multiple shallow grave sites.

This is a tragic situation. Caboodle Ranch was clearly overwhelmed with
hundreds of cats in dire need of medical treatment, says Tim Rickey, Senior
Director of the ASPCA's FIR 

With nearly 700 cats already removed from the property, this is the largest
number of cats the ASPCA has ever seized in the course of an
http://www.aspca.org/fir animal cruelty investigation-and efforts to
locate them all are ongoing. The rescued animals have been relocated to a
temporary shelter in Jacksonville, where veterinary, sheltering, and
behavior teams are assessing, diagnosing, treating and caring for them. 

ASPCA responders are struck by the stark difference between the version of
the Caboodle Ranch presented on its website and the
http://www.aspca.org/fight-animal-cruelty/animal-hoarding.aspx reality on
the ground. There are some extremely sick animals, says one ASPCA
volunteer. Most are not at death's door, but there are very, very few who
are completely healthy. She also notes that the majority of the cats are
friendly and eager for human contact: Four hundred of them just walked
right into our carriers.

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

2012-03-06 Thread GRAS
ASPCA removed 700 cats from Caboodle Ranch - I tried posting it here this
morning, even in three parts, it was still too large., and kept bouncing
back, saying it has to be reviewed.. If anyone would like to see it, let me
know and I will forward TO YOU.  Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dana giordano
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 9:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

 

Just info on the caboodle ranch issue: 

 

This place gets a lot of media attention and volunteers. 

 

Personally, while he's not perfect, he was not alone in this work, so it
seems at least worth it to consider he got steamrolled. 

 

I've been reading about it and it really seems like it may have been part of
an overall political move by PETA (who tends to kill animals, not save them
- check their stats.) 

 

PETA apparently wants to stop the bill that will allow rescues to pull the
animals slated to die from the county shelter and is using this issue as a
platform. ASPCA was involved but I think PETA was pretty much running that
show. And if there is one org I do NOT trust it is PETA. (So now you know
where my bias is.) 

 

 

Anyway, If you're interested in reading more: 

 

http://blogs.catster.com/the-cats-meow-a-cat-and-kitten-blog/caboodle-ranch-
the-other-side-of-the-story/2012/03/05/

 

 

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2012-03-02/story/embattled-caboodle-ranch
-operator-says-confiscated-records-detail-his

 


If you want to support the guy, there is a Caboodle Ranch petition:

 

http://www.change.org/petitions/free-craig-grant-and-open-caboodle-ranch-fre
e-craig-grant-and-open-caboodle-ranch?utm_medium=facebook
http://www.change.org/petitions/free-craig-grant-and-open-caboodle-ranch-fr
ee-craig-grant-and-open-caboodle-ranch?utm_medium=facebookutm_source=share_
petitionutm_term=autopublish
utm_source=share_petitionutm_term=autopublish#

 

 

I hope the cats will end up in a safe place and not euthed. Remember, more
than anything, it is the cats who now are in bigger danger now, then they
were at the ranch. 

Also - consider how many times TNR's put domestic cats back on the street if
there were feeders? (I'm not one of them, but consider that, before
condemning the guy.)

 

This is a sad story. I hope we hear better news for all the animals
involved. 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

2012-03-06 Thread GRAS
I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of
them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don't like some of the
ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for.  Some groups spay cats
and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a
known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as
infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures.

Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical
care!

I can't even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700
cats!

Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 10:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links

 

consider how many times TNR's put domestic cats back on the street if
there were feeders? (I'm not one of them, but consider that, before
condemning the guy.)

 

You mean the policy of returning cats to a feral colony if the colony has a
feeder?..how that fits into this situation? TNR is for ferals not housecats.

Though in some cases_such as mine I trap cats on the loose, ferals or not.
If feral they go to a feral colony, if not I try to find owner, education
goes so far, most people will want to keep the cat in/out but at least the
cat is neutered now and won't be making more. If possible I take in the cat,
list as found and if it is not claimed I put him up for adoption_taking in
all tame cats is just not possible but I do try to bring in the declaweds
and kittens._ I don't just abandon the cat out there, I make sure it has
shelter and a feeder.

I know very well this is considered cruel by a sector of the pop and that's
ok, we all have a right to our opinion. 

 

But I don't understand how this fits with Caboodle, you mean because he had
all these cats roaming the property and they weren't taken care of? If so I
would say that since he said Caboodle was a sanctuary that implies the cats
are to be taken care of, if sick taken to a vet etc._Very different from a
feral colony where the intentions are the same but  nobody wants a colony of
sick cats and yet there are ferals that will die rather than walk in a trap;
I know I had one of these. We tried for half a year to trap him and in his
last months it was evident that he would have had to be euthanized. We just
could not, and one day we found him dead. It happens often and makes
caretakers feel awful.

 

A sanctuary OTOH is expected to treat each and every cat. A sanctuary is not
just a place to leave a pet, walk away and forget all about it. That is why
a person is expected to fund the cat care. Granted some of the cats could
have been dumped at the place and no money to support them. But it wasn't
the majority, and if CG couldn't afford them did he ask rescues to take
them? I don't know that, I can't side with either story but just wanted to
comment on that remark abt TNR and how it fit with the CR situation, I think
it doesn't.

Marta

 http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ http://homelessnomore.webs.com/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch link

2012-03-05 Thread GRAS
I realize what PETA is trying to do with the propend legislation, but it
doesn't negate the conditions at Caboodle, nor how the creep took money for
personal use even though at the same time he was paying himself a hefty
salary! He may have started with good intentions, but obviously abandoned
them down the line.

I always questioned the logistics of such an open type cat rescue group -
how does one keep them all inside, how does one keep track of them, and what
would stop anyone from dumping new and possibly sick cats..and much more.

PETA has also been going after a hospice-type group in NY state called
Angel's Gate; they take in FeLV/FIV, terminally ill and very handicapped
animals - of course, visiting such a place is never the same as seeing
healthy animals for adoption. FoA is fully backing Angel Gate's work, and I
can truly appreciate how much different it is caring for healthy versus only
sick animals, from my own experience.

As much as I appreciate much of PETA's work, some of their work is extremely
questionable, and Ingrid Newkirk originally came from managing a kill
shelter, never abandoning her serious kill convictions!.

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 10:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch link

 

I'm just posting this link in case anyone is interested in hearing the
other side of the story--I am not trying to take either side but thought
this may be of interest to some.

 

I can't say which side is right--my guess would be neither and that the
truth lies somewhere in between, however, PETA is absolutely using this case
to try to fight the Florida Animal Rescue Act and for me, their involvement
really skews things.  Again though just posting since this case has been
discussed here.  Thanks!

http://caboodleranch.livejournal.com/43479.html

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Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic but if anyone can help with info? fluid in lungs

2012-03-03 Thread GRAS
My vet is and his assistant  have become expert in dealing with feral cats
by using towels/blankets to wrap and rewrap as needed for examinations.  I
have also learned this in dealing with feral cats.  You could also get some
Bach Flower Remedy - RESCUE, use it in the cat's water, you can put it onto
the cat's gums, or even on the skin inside the ear or on the forehead..every
little bit helps.  Use some Feliway spray inside the carrier (one spray of
it about one hour before using the carrier (it's quite potent) - all that
should calm the cat.

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 6:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic but if anyone can help with info? fluid in
lungs

 

Talk to a holist vet (MHO).  Kitty and Dixie, feral similar to yours, did
wonderfully with the care of both a holistic vet and a regular vet.  I know,
I am blessed to have both and they respect each other.  Also, if possible,
find another regular vet.  Killing a cat without symptoms  and true pain
(not discomfort) is beyond me.  I have dealt with ferals a really long time.
In fact, every cat who has moved into my home or chosen to live where I can
provide some comforts (food, outdoor shelter) has been feral.  They are the
smartest of the smart (again MHO) and will let you know exactly what they
want.  

On Mar 3, 2012, at 5:09 PM, dppl dppl wrote:





 Melinda, thanks for taking the time to respond so quickly.

My fear is, if this vet didn't want to draw blood since she

said cat's gums started turning blue, how will she 

endure further testing?  How much stress

should I put her through? She was born to a feral cat, I have had her over 

13 years she is tame for me, but freaks out when i try to put her in carrier
.

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic but if anyone can help with info? fluid in lungs

2012-03-03 Thread GRAS
Better test it out before going to the vet since every cat responds
differently to catnip, some get mellow, happy, and others might get very
agitated and even aggressive..

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 7:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic but if anyone can help with info? fluid in
lungs

 

And maybe some spray catnip concentrate

On Mar 3, 2012, at 5:47 PM, GRAS wrote:





My vet is and his assistant  have become expert in dealing with feral cats
by using towels/blankets to wrap and rewrap as needed for examinations.  I
have also learned this in dealing with feral cats.  You could also get some
Bach Flower Remedy - RESCUE, use it in the cat's water, you can put it onto
the cat's gums, or even on the skin inside the ear or on the forehead..every
little bit helps.  Use some Feliway spray inside the carrier (one spray of
it about one hour before using the carrier (it's quite potent) - all that
should calm the cat.

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 6:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic but if anyone can help with info? fluid in
lungs

 

Talk to a holist vet (MHO).  Kitty and Dixie, feral similar to yours, did
wonderfully with the care of both a holistic vet and a regular vet.  I know,
I am blessed to have both and they respect each other.  Also, if possible,
find another regular vet.  Killing a cat without symptoms  and true pain
(not discomfort) is beyond me.  I have dealt with ferals a really long time.
In fact, every cat who has moved into my home or chosen to live where I can
provide some comforts (food, outdoor shelter) has been feral.  They are the
smartest of the smart (again MHO) and will let you know exactly what they
want.  

On Mar 3, 2012, at 5:09 PM, dppl dppl wrote:






 Melinda, thanks for taking the time to respond so quickly.

My fear is, if this vet didn't want to draw blood since she

said cat's gums started turning blue, how will she 

endure further testing?  How much stress

should I put her through? She was born to a feral cat, I have had her over

13 years she is tame for me, but freaks out when i try to put her in carrier
.

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Animal abuse

2012-03-02 Thread GRAS
Maybe a better strategy could have been NOT to say anything, and then ZAP it
to him through the jury!?

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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On 03-01, Lynda Wilson wrote:
 Oh don't shoot him, make him suffer the same way he made those poor 
 babies suffer. An eye for an eye in this case!
 
 Good for you for telling the attorney's your opinion! I'd say the same 
 thing :0)

I don't like PETA being in on this case either. I think Craig Grant got in
over his head, but didn't mean to abuse the cats.

AS for jury duty I'd say I had to listen to the details before
making a decision. That way I'd be chosen for the jury. 
Then when the jury voted I'd give this cruel SOB what he deserves.

Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty

2012-03-02 Thread GRAS
Thank you for sending this.  It makes it clear that this isn't just a case
of a mere getting over his head situation.he's a crook, plain and simple.
I'm glad that I never came across anyone like that, yet..Natalie

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of C PQ
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 8:03 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner
charged with cruelty

 

FYI:  Here's another perspective on the situation:

 

From:  X [name removed]

Sent: Tuesday,February 28,  2012 3:51 PM

Subject: Craig  Grant, Director of Caboodle Ranch

 

The below info isfound  at this link:
https://www.facebook.com/caboodleranch.savethekitties

 

Yesterday, when I heard of the investigation and rescue intervention at
Caboodle Ranch, my first thought  was that Craig Grant was just another
compassionate fool who got in over his  head because he couldn't turn away a
cat with nowhere to go.  The below  information has changed my perception of
him.  No decent individual would  let animals in his custody go without
needed medical care, food and clean living conditions while making frivolous
expenditures on himself from 501.3c funds that  should have been spent on
the cats.

 

Financial  Fraud

 

For an overview of embezzlement and  financial fraud click here here.

 

Records obtained through  the court indicate that operator, Craig Grant, is
embezzling corporate funds  (donations) for personal use. There are numerous
transactions on their 501(c)  not-for-profit account fortransactions
such as: airline flights, trip to Vegas, tickets to Daytona 500, hotels,
online clothing orders, online magazine orders,  gifts, etc.  The list goes
on and on. Craig admitted in court records that he does not routinely record
cash donations. It's been reported that Craig has used cash to take people
out to eat.

 

In interviews Craig Grant has stated he  gets a $1000/month personal salary.
Therefore, any personal expenses should be paid for out of HIS salary.  It
is unlawful for any transactions for personal use to come out of a
not-for-profit corporate account. All donations/income MUST be used for the
care of cats.

 

The IRS andAttorney General have been  notified.

 

 


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 Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 19:34:37 -0600
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner
charged with cruelty
 
 I have asked my vet to tak t me if he thinks I am becoming a hoarder. I
wish I had a mllion dollars, I would have such a rescue place for all
animals, but until then, I feel that my limit is 7 cats both fnancially and
physically.
 
 
  Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: 
  The people I'm talking about did spay/neuter  had vet references. They
had good intentions, but the hoarding mentality took over  got out of hand.
 
  
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
  
 
 
 
 From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:28 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged
with cruelty
 
 
 Sadly, there may be some, but I have yet to come across a
rescuer/hoarder in the 20 years of being involved in cat rescuein Southern
CT.  There are probably some hoarder types; a typical symptom would be
someone who doesn't spay/neuter nor provides veterinary care..therefore,
they may not be the typical hoarders as we know them. The CT woman was
definitely not one!  She was extremely well-respected, a caring and capable
woman whose life and the lives of the cats in her care have been ruined
forever, thanks to overzealous officials and a disgruntled person! The state
didn't even allow her home-visit vet to vouch for the health and treatment
that he prescribed for cats in her care to testify on her behalf! I can tell
you that there's a hidden agenda in CT to put all small cat rescues out of
business to allow stray, feral, abandoned cats to be rounded up and killed!

 BTW, we are NO-KILL, no cages; in addition to cats in home surroundings,
we also have several cat condos and enclosed outdoor runs in warmer months.
 Natalie
  
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:47 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged
with cruelty
  
 I don't know the full story of the woman in CT, so I can't comment on
that, but I've seen people who are heads of rescue organizations who are
hoarders. Just because someone has a title does not mean they are OK.
  
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
  
  
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