RE: OT: Pet Burial Ceremony- for Monkee

2007-07-26 Thread Gina WN
Did you find a jewelry site that you like?  If so, can I have the URL?  Thanks!
   
  Gina

Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Thank you Glenda and Wendy for your insight.  We are taking our time to plan 
something and won't do anything until Aug., so I still have time to think about 
it.  It's funny though because I just found the pet loss website today on my 
own and it was really helpful.  I liked the poems and I am really interested in 
the jewelry memorial websight links for cremains and I plan to get something 
like that.  I think I could move on better if I really feel like I always have 
a part of Monkee with me.
  Thanks,
  Caroline 



  

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From:  wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject:  OT: Pet Burial Ceremony- for Monkee
Date:  Tue, 24 Jul 2007 18:26:15 -0700 (PDT)
P.S. I am not sure if sent you the link to this pet loss site:

http://www.petloss.com/

If I didn't, I apologize.  It's a great site to navigate around and see all 
the things they have to offer.  I bet you would find some things there to 
help.  Please let us know how it goes if you feel like it.

Best of luck,
:)
Wendy

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Re: OT: Pet Burial Ceremony- for Monkee

2007-07-26 Thread Gina WN
What a beautiful idea :)  

Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I have lost many pets 
before in my life, but with my recent loss of Monkee, I feel compelled to have 
some kind of ceremony honoring his life because he is the closest companion 
(animal or human) that I've ever had.  I am really struggling with his death 
and the grieving process.  I also want something to provide me with some 
closure and I thought an official ceremony might do that.  Of course, I know 
that even though Monkee touched a lot of my friends and family, I am afraid it 
will only be my mom and I at the ceremony, but regardless, I still want to do 
it.
  Monkee was cremated so I don't really want to have a burial per se.  I 
don't plan to spread his ashes or bury them...I want to keep them.  
  I just wanted to know if anyone had any ideas for me?  My mom has been doing 
some research to find a person to perform the ceremony and a location here in 
Louisville, Kentucky.  If anyone has further thoughts, or a good script that we 
could use as a basis for the ceremony, please let me know.  I appreciate it.
  -Caroline  



  
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Re: I need information please (Malone)

2007-07-20 Thread Gina WN
My Pippin tested positive on the ELISA test at 6 weeks of age.  She tested 
negative on the IFA test at 6 months of age.  While waiting for the second 
test, I fed her Innova Evo wet and dry food, gave her 500 grams of Lysine per 
day in her wet food, provided lots of love and low stress.  My vet thinks she 
had a false positive on the first test, the ELISA.  I can't say for sure that 
she threw the virus, but she is negative now and was positive then.  
   
  Gina
  

Malone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you for the advice. I know he got it from the kitten. He 
had two tests both negative when he came in the home. He was tested when I 
picked him up from the humane society and then he was retested when Teaser was 
retested. They both had two tests before 1 year of age and that was when I 
vaccinated them for the first time. Basil had 2 other boosters. Teaser is a 
year older and she had been vaccinated 3 times. When my baby boy died both 
Basil and Teaser were retested. She is still negative but Basil was positive. 
My vet then said there was no reason to wait he would be like the kitten in a 
matter of weeks. He also felt if I kept him I would infect Teaser. I don’t 
think he is a bad vet, but hasn’t really dealt with felv much. He is really a 
vet for most of the ranches in the area. I have an opportunity to share what I 
learn here with him. That is a blessing. But now I have to wonder if he 
shouldn’t be retested, something my vet said would only cause me more
 heartache. If I take him to another vet and get a different result that would 
prove that this virus could be fought off. I just didn’t want to get my hopes 
up too high. That is why I was wondering if anyone here had a cat that was 
positive end up negative. 
   
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Re: OT: Really good article about Nike and Vick

2007-07-20 Thread Gina WN
I'm with you.  I don't buy their products outright; do they have any 
subsidiaries?
   
  Gina

Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7038442?MSNHPHCPGT1=10239
   
  Pretty much says that you aren't going to get much out of Nike if you call 
them on their sponsorship of Vick.  The underlying message to me is, let's hit 
Nike where it hurts them...their bottom line.  Stop buying their products.  I'm 
always up for a meaniful boycott...who's with me?!
   
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Re: People who don't like cats/Ensie/Irony/FeLV shelters

2007-07-20 Thread Gina WN
That is so true.  My husband had never been around cats until we got together.  
He now considers himself a cat person.  He had never had any experience with 
cats.  Now he's been loved by five over the years, and he is so attached to 
them.
   
  Gina
  

wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hey guys,

Love this thread about people who don't like cats. What Glenda says is so true. 
I once saw a saying on a sticker that read, People who don't like cats have 
never been loved by one. So now, when I run into someone and we're casually 
talking about cats and they say they don't care fo them, I use that line on 
them. I also have noticed (guys, forgive me) that many men are more ego-driven 
than women. It's not a bad thing; that's just how it is. And cats do not often 
cater to our egos. We cater to theirs. LOLOLOLOL. So often, men say they don't 
like cats. Of course, if a kitty decides it likes a man, and pays attention to 
it, then the man will love the kitty; my husband is exactly this way. He at 
first said he didn't really like cats, and I came home one day to find him 
carrying Cricket around like a baby. LOLOLOL. You don't like cats, huh? LOL. 
And he loves Julie, who is indebted to him for saving her literally from the 
jaws of a large boxer, and now she gets
up on his chest in his face; it's really cute. People I know who are 
particularly egotistic often do not like cats. One of my best friends is a 
Leo,and very ego-driven (Leos are sometimes like this), and she can't stand 
cats. She likes to be in the spot light. Surprisingly, she does have a new 
little dog, who she worships the ground he walks on, and I have to admit, he is 
cute as a button. My grandmother, who died recently, has always loved cats, and 
my father picked this up from her. I have three brothers, who all grew up 
loving cats, and now all of them as adults have cats and are great caretakers. 
So I agree that family tradition also plays a role in how a person views cats.

Ensie, our new feral kitty, is sitting in her cage right now. I brought her 
into the computer room to enjoy the window while I'm typing. She seems to like 
it. She doesn't have any windows in the room she is sequestered in right now. I 
am going to take her into the vets in a week or so, depending on how she does 
with me, and have him look at her. She has to be FeLV/FIV tested, and she needs 
a fecal done and flea meds, also, before I let her out into gen pop. lol. She's 
doing great so far. Such a sweet kitty.

Something really ironic happened, I thought you guys might be interested in. 
When I was in Greensboro, I contacted a group called The Feral Cat Assistance 
Program, a sub-group of Alley Cat Allies. A woman named Lisa called me back and 
gave me info. that helped me to trap Ensie, which was my first trap. When I got 
back to Texas, I called them again, and a woman named Amy answered a few of my 
questions about Ensie's care. The funny thing was, I told her that I had called 
Best Friends to do a TNR on my grandma's feral colony a few years ago and that 
they had called their sister group in Greensboro, which is Amy's organization. 
She said that they had come out to do the TNR. So I was talking to the woman 
responsible for getting Ensie spayed. Isn't that ironic?! Even more 'fateful', 
Amy said she had been stressing about three kittens that they had recently 
trapped and tested positive for FeLV. She said in the past, they had pts 
FeLV+'s because they didn't know better. 
Now that she did know better, she didn't have much experience with positives, 
so was looking to learn. I told her that I was an active member on the Feline 
Leukemia.org site, and she said it must have been fate that brought me along. I 
gave her some info. on seroconverting; basically told her there's about a 40% 
chance that the kittens will seroconvert. She said she was going to wait a 
month before retesting (IFA), and I told her she may want to wait about 3 
months. The woman who is caring for the kittens said she could keep them for a 
while, so that will be good. She asked if I knew anyone who would take them. I 
only knew a few specific shelters, like Casa de Calmar at Best Friends, and the 
one up north that one of members was recently instrumental in seeing that it 
get built as an addition to a new shelter going up. Anyone else know of any 
close to NC? I also thought it would be great if we could add a link on the 
website of shelters that take FeLV+'s. Any
thoughts on this? Do any of you know any shelters that are FeLV+ only?

I hope you all are having a great day. FYI: Coca-Cola contacted me today and 
said that Mr. Vick hasn't worked for them in a while (frustrating!), so I 
emailed them back and asked them about Powerade, a subsidiary of Coca-Cola. 
I'll let you know what they say.

:)
Wendy

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Re: Monkee is gone

2007-07-17 Thread Gina WN
I'm so sad for you.  My thoughts and prayers are with you.  Gentle passings 
Monkee.
   
  Gina

Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My beloved cat Monkee passed last night in my arms while I held him 
with my Mom standing next to my side.  At about 2:30 a.m.  
   
  We were going to take him to Dr. Maier's for euthanasia this morning at 8:00 
a.m.  I thought he could make it until then and that he wouldn't want to go to 
a strange emergency vet clinic he'd never been to before for his passing.  I 
didn't know he was that bad.  I feel so bad.  It was so horrible.  He was 
having some trouble breathing, but I was usually able to calm him down by 
holding him and giving him flower essences.  He had begun to have trouble 
walking and he would cry at me really loudly when he wasn't able to do 
something he wanted to do because his brain was not getting enough oxygen (like 
walk around).  I didn't want him to be in pain or suffer and I feel like I 
failed him.  
   
  He did go really quick, but I was hysterical as it was happening.  We were on 
my bed and I was holding him.  He took a last gasp of air and then he stopped.  
When his body when limp, I felt like I might die too.  I think the only thing 
that helped me and my mom was that she has rescue remedy with her and we both 
took it right away.  It sounds odd to say that, but immediately after it 
happened, I felt a sense of peace-- for him.  I think the rescue remedy helped 
my breathing at that time.  I just held him afterwards and talked to him  and 
pet him and kissed him for about two hours.  I told him how wonderful he was 
and that I would never be the same without him.  I walked around the house, sat 
with him on the porch he loved so much and took him outside for his last time 
to hold him while sitting on the front steps.  
   
  I have never had an animal die in my arms like that and to have it be my best 
friend-- the best companion I've ever had...my heart just feels like it's 
wrenching in half.  I feel guilty and traumatized.  I am having a hard time 
erasing the memories of his passing.  When I close my eyes, I see his face as 
he took his last breath.  I don't how to recover from that.
  I've never been lonely since I had Monkee and now that he's gone, that 
loneliness is crashing in.  
   
  I hope all of you are able to continue to care for your cats and give them 
the peace and love that they so desperately need.  I admire those of you who 
take care of multiple FelV cats and have lost some in the past and continue to 
keep doing the work that you do.  My thoughts and my prayers are now with all 
of you and your babies.  I felt like I didn't have the mental energy to devote 
many of my prayers in the past few weeks to any cat other than Monkee, but I 
will be praying for you now.
   
  I also wanted to remind everyone that you never really know the power of what 
love can do for a cat like Monkee, until you experience it.  When I found him, 
he was a crazy, dirty, little ragamuffin eating doves, baby rabbits, and 
whatever else he could catch in the courtyard of my law school apartment 
complex in Northern Ky 4 years ago.  And four years and 1 month ago, I couldn't 
take his living it up in the killing fields- as I called it- anymore.  It 
took so long to get him to be a somewhat normal cat.  Something bad must have 
happened to him because he was already neutered when I found him, so he had to 
have belong to someone.  He was deathly afraid of men and it took until 
probably about this past year for that fear to almost subside.  I don't think 
anyone else in my life (other than myself) believed that he'd ever be trusting, 
cuddling, sweet, lfunny, love-bug that he was with me.  The first time I turned 
on my radio and my tv after I had brought him into my life,
 he freaked out and hid under the bed for hours.  After lots of love and being 
spoiled rotten, and having four years to experience as many things as possible, 
he had truly become my best friend.  He would comfort me when something went 
horribly wrong in my life and the past 4 years have been pretty turbulent for 
me so he had a lot of comforting to do.  He was what always cheered me up when 
I was at my lowest low and he was what kept going.  He slept on my bed with me 
every night and even when I was just away for one night, I would miss him and 
miss having him there in the morning to wake up with.  I am going to miss him 
so much. 
   
I also wanted to say Thank You for being such an instant support group 
for Monkee and I.  We really needed help these past few weeks and you all 
really came through for us.  
   
  Thank you,
  Caroline 

   
 



  
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Re: Keisha

2007-07-17 Thread Gina WN
I'm very sorry about Keisha.  Gentle Bridge vibes to her.
   
  Gina

Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Laurie --
   
  I am so sorry about Keisha, how terrible and sudden.  I know you must be 
feeling devastated and traumatized.  Take comfort in knowing she knew how loved 
she was.  Hugs to you.
   
  Diane R.


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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 11:08 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Monkee is gone ~ so is Keisha


  
  Carol, I am so sorry for your loss and pain. Prayers for safe travels for 
Monkee's soul. Monkee is free now but nothing can compensate for the hole in 
your heart and life. I know. My beloved Keisha died Saturday completely 
unexpectedly. She went into respiratory distress here at home. I rushed her to 
the ER clinic. They put her in the oxygen tank and she appeared comfortable ~ 
she was not on her side and was no longer open mouth breathing. They planned to 
keep her in the tank for 2 hours and then send her home. When she went into 
respiratory distress again, they tried to save her ~ intubated her and gave her 
CPR but could not. After she died, I held her for 2 hours and stroked her fur.I 
am in shock and it doesn't seem real. I didn't want to leave her. We are doing 
a necropsy. She was not feline leukemia positive.
  May your Higher Power hold you as mine is holding me.
  Laurie
- Original Message - 
  From: Caroline Kaufmann 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:47 AM
  Subject: Monkee is gone
  

  My beloved cat Monkee passed last night in my arms while I held him with 
my Mom standing next to my side.  At about 2:30 a.m.  
   
  We were going to take him to Dr. Maier's for euthanasia this morning at 8:00 
a.m.  I thought he could make it until then and that he wouldn't want to go to 
a strange emergency vet clinic he'd never been to before for his passing.  I 
didn't know he was that bad.  I feel so bad.  It was so horrible.  He was 
having some trouble breathing, but I was usually able to calm him down by 
holding him and giving him flower essences.  He had begun to have trouble 
walking and he would cry at me really loudly when he wasn't able to do 
something he wanted to do because his brain was not getting enough oxygen (like 
walk around).  I didn't want him to be in pain or suffer and I feel like I 
failed him.  
   
  He did go really quick, but I was hysterical as it was happening.  We were on 
my bed and I was holding him.  He took a last gasp of air and then he stopped.  
When his body when limp, I felt like I might die too.  I think the only thing 
that helped me and my mom was that she has rescue remedy with her and we both 
took it right away.  It sounds odd to say that, but immediately after it 
happened, I felt a sense of peace-- for him.  I think the rescue remedy helped 
my breathing at that time.  I just held him afterwards and talked to him  and 
pet him and kissed him for about two hours.  I told him how wonderful he was 
and that I would never be the same without him.  I walked around the house, sat 
with him on the porch he loved so much and took him outside for his last time 
to hold him while sitting on the front steps.  
   
  I have never had an animal die in my arms like that and to have it be my best 
friend-- the best companion I've ever had...my heart just feels like it's 
wrenching in half.  I feel guilty and traumatized.  I am having a hard time 
erasing the memories of his passing.  When I close my eyes, I see his face as 
he took his last breath.  I don't how to recover from that.
  I've never been lonely since I had Monkee and now that he's gone, that 
loneliness is crashing in.  
   
  I hope all of you are able to continue to care for your cats and give them 
the peace and love that they so desperately need.  I admire those of you who 
take care of multiple FelV cats and have lost some in the past and continue to 
keep doing the work that you do.  My thoughts and my prayers are now with all 
of you and your babies.  I felt like I didn't have the mental energy to devote 
many of my prayers in the past few weeks to any cat other than Monkee, but I 
will be praying for you now.
   
  I also wanted to remind everyone that you never really know the power of what 
love can do for a cat like Monkee, until you experience it.  When I found him, 
he was a crazy, dirty, little ragamuffin eating doves, baby rabbits, and 
whatever else he could catch in the courtyard of my law school apartment 
complex in Northern Ky 4 years ago.  And four years and 1 month ago, I couldn't 
take his living it up in the killing fields- as I called it- anymore.  It 
took so long to get him to be a somewhat normal cat.  Something bad must have 
happened to him because he was already neutered when I found him, so he had to 
have belong to someone.  He was deathly afraid of men and it took 

Re: OT: Interested in a Bobtail?

2007-07-03 Thread Gina WN
Melissa,
   
  Have you tried posting Nonie's information and pictures on Petfinder and/or 
Catster.com?  Catster is a big community of cat lovers and you might find one 
who prefers bobtails.  Just a thought.  Good luck and thank you for providing 
Nonie and Ashley a safe and loving place while they await their forever homes.
   
  Gina
  

Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Disclaimer: I know this is very OT, but my computer at home 
checks the OT list, and I’ve only got time to write this at work, plus, it 
seems to me that there aren’t very many who read or post on the OT list. I’m 
not sure why that is…but I’ll be sure to forward this to my home address and 
post it on OT later.
   
  Anyway, delete if you aren’t interested in reading about my NON-FeLV bobtail 
(or is it Manx?—I don’t know the difference).
   
  Well, Nonie is one of my foster cats that I got back in April. Three strays 
found me in one week. Two are still at home. Cassidy, the one with FeLV, went 
to Best Friends and is the reason I joined this list. Nonie and Ashley are 
still looking for a forever home. It’s tough in these parts where cat lovers 
are few and far between and “farm cats” are the only kind most people tolerate 
since they don’t have to really take care of them.
   
  Anyhow, I’m still trying to get Ashley healthy before she gets a new home, 
but Nonie is very healthy, rambunctious, and cute. She’s a bobtail tabby (who 
likes to take showers with us), and I didn’t know if there are people who 
specifically look for those types of cats? Like all-white, all-black cats, 
Siamese, etc., I figured there must be people who prefer bobtails. Do any of 
you know of such? I really need to find these guys a home. We’re spending over 
$90 in litter a month, which is pricey for us. I’ve finally broke down and 
bought less expensive litter, but I still have to feed the expensive food to 
all (since one of my cats needs it, so all get it). I don’t cook for us very 
much since we’re gone all the time in the summer, so I don’t have time to cook 
for the kitties (but plan to in the fall/winter).
   
  I’m rambling, I know, sorry! I am just looking for some resources and a good 
home for Nonie. I’m pretty much willing to travel anywhere, but a home in the 
Plains/Midwest would be easiest for me. But, I’ll travel anywhere for the right 
home. And, no, she’s not a give-a-way (unless to a home with outstanding 
references).
   
  Sorry to bother you guys with this. I know that there are kitties pts 
everyday who don’t have good homes (and Nonie has a good home right now), and 
you all have your feline limits most likely, but I’m just looking for ideas. 
I’m fairly new to the cat rescue world—and I’ve found that you guys know a lot 
more that I do! Thanks for listening!
   
  Melissa, Nonie, Ashley, Bandit, Angel, and Baby Smokey.




 
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Re: goodbye.

2007-07-03 Thread Gina WN
Jane,
   
  I am so glad MeMe is improved!  Give her a little kiss for me :)
   
  Gina
  

Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a new person (me) it is very
sad since I've come to rely on this list as a lifeline for my Felv 
positive cat.

I use two vets, one of them well known nationally, and neither of them 
have the
knowledge and experience that you guys (collectively) have of Feline 
Leukemia.
This is a priceless resource, especially for people like myself, who 
come here shell
shocked and need to hear the reality from the frontline, not theory 
nor statistics.

My little cat, who came from an over burdened colony situation, having 
been thrown
on their porch from a moving car, is so much better and it is largely 
the result of the
information that I got here. Also, I was so grateful to be able to 
express the grief and
fear I initially felt, knowing I was with people who really loved their 
cats, and who would
(hopefully) understand.

It must be difficult repeating the same information over and over 
again, and having to
adjust to a lot of personalities and dysfunction, but if the bottom 
line is helping cats,
your time is not in vain.

I came here four weeks ago with a kitten suffering from giardia, 
stomatitis, very badly
swollen glands, constant sneezing, runny nose, diarrhea and very poor 
appetite.

I am happy to report we now have formed stools, no swollen glands, an 
occasional sneeze
and wet nose and a ravenous appetite. The stomatitis seems to be healed 
on the bottom
of her mouth, although the top is still red, but not as inflamed as it 
had been. For the first
time in her little life she seems comfortable and very content.

I hope things here can be worked out. We are very grateful to all of 
you.

Jane (and a much improved MeMe)









On Jul 1, 2007, at 3:36 PM, elizabeth trent wrote:

 Maybe when you stop being an air head and an @$$ you will come back.  
 Love ya M.C.
  
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Re: I am not getting all the posts

2007-07-02 Thread Gina WN
Yes, try your spam folder.  Tonight I had 40+ emails from the group in my spam 
folder.  I have no idea why so many are going there lately.
   
  Gina
  

Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  You could also check your spam box.  Very occasionally one of the messages 
from this group gets routed to my spam box...I am not sure why..

  On 6/30/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   weird...maybe they 
will come in late.  that happens to me sometimes.   

  On 6/30/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Hey guys,

There is something really weird going on with my
email.  I am not getting all the posts and I think 
it's been happening for a while now.  I only saw
Dede's post about Ki passing when Sally replied to
her.  I didn't even see Leslie's or Marylyn's to Dede,
but saw Dede reply to them in Sally's post.  Does 
anyone know how to fix this?

Thanks,
Wendy

--- Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

 Hi Dede

 I am so sorry. I am always hopeful that our FELV 
 babies will somehow beat
 the virus. He had a good life with you and he thanks
 you for all you did.

 Sally


 On 6/30/07, dede hicken  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Thank you Marilyn and Leslie.
 
  Dede
 
 
 
  --- Marylyn  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Bless you for all the love you gave Ki.  When
 you
   are considering all the
   what ifs as we all do, consider what if you 
 had
   never come into his life
   and how wonderful you made his life.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 If
   you have men who will
   exclude any of God's creatures
  
   from the shelter of
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   - Original Message - 
   From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
   Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:09 PM
   Subject: Ki is an Angel
  
  
   
It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let 
 you
   know
Ki left this world at 10 this AM.
   
It was sooo hard for me.  I noticed last night
   that
his belly looked really full.  The way he was 
breathing was weird also.  You could see his
 head
   and
chest moving.  His eyes had brightened up
 though,
   and
the fever had gotten better, but it kept 
 spiking.
   He
even ate a few pieces of food by himself.
   
The vet drained his belly, and it was thick
 straw
colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. 
 My
biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow
 when
   I
couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a
   horrible
death. 
   
Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should
   have
never put him in with most of the cats.  I
   dunno...I
could go crazy asking what if's  I guess I 
   believed
he would be one of the lucky ones.  He came
 from a
horrible home...many FeLV cats and death.  His
siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he 
   would
beat it.  It was only a faint pos.  He had a
 fever
like this last Nov, but recovered,
   
I am so grateful for the time I had with him. 
 He
   came
to me the week before my beloved Smokey died.
 I
didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him
 in
   the
bedroom, and played with him, and loved and
 slept
   with
him.  He was a pistol, and rough to play with!
  I
   hope
he doesn't forget us, and the time will come 
 when
   we
can all be together forever.
   
May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you
 in
   his
care until we meet again. 
   
Dede
   
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service of your God 
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Re: Ki is an Angel

2007-07-02 Thread Gina WN
I am so sorry DeDe.
   
  Gina
   
  

Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DeDe... we are all so sorry for your loss.  
  Leslie =^..^=

 
  On 6/30/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   
It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know
Ki left this world at 10 this AM.

It was sooo hard for me.  I noticed last night that 
his belly looked really full.  The way he was
breathing was weird also.  You could see his head and
chest moving.  His eyes had brightened up though, and
the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking.  He
even ate a few pieces of food by himself.

The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw
colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein.  My
biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I
couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible 
death.

Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have
never put him in with most of the cats.  I dunno...I
could go crazy asking what if's  I guess I believed
he would be one of the lucky ones.  He came from a 
horrible home...many FeLV cats and death.  His
siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would
beat it.  It was only a faint pos.  He had a fever
like this last Nov, but recovered,

I am so grateful for the time I had with him.  He came 
to me the week before my beloved Smokey died.  I
didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the
bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept with
him.  He was a pistol, and rough to play with!  I hope 
he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we
can all be together forever.

May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in his
care until we meet again.

Dede

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Re: Now i've got something of a dilemma

2007-07-02 Thread Gina WN
Yes, the concern of infecting your current kitties is always there.  I know, as 
I brought a FeLV+ kitten into my household last June.  I decided to get all my 
adults vaccinated and to keep her.  I found out she was negative five months 
later when she got the IFA test.
   
  Gina
  

C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thank you, it is not out of the question that I may take those kittens 
yet, but I have alot to think about first.  For one, at least those kittens 
have a home.  It may not be the best home in the world, but at least they have 
a mom, food, and shelter, and it sounds like the mom has hidden them from the 
dog.  There are literally hundreds or more of cats/kittens around here that 
don't even have that, and are doomed right from the start.
   
  I would really like to get my two remaining cats retested for FeLV as well.  
I'm not sure how long I need to wait on that.  They tested negative in March, 
but still may have gotten the virus over the last few months.  I would feel 
very badly indeed if I brought kittens into the house and infected them.
   
  Cassandra
- Original Message - 
  From: Gina WN 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 1:57 AM
  Subject: RE: Now i've got something of a dilemma
  

Cassandra,

I didn't see your other email saying you had decided not to take them in 
(before I emailed the one below.)  I understand your feelings and there will be 
those who need you out there when you are ready.  Take your time.

Take care,
Gina

Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Hi Cassandra,

I am not trying to pressure you to keep the babies.  I understand the grief you 
are feeling over your other furbabies, as well as the practical aspects of 
taking them in.

But...how old are the babies?  Perhaps mama kitty would not abandon them while 
in your care.  But if she did, perhaps there is a way you can bottle feed them.

When we took in our two kittens (almost 15 years ago) they were seven days old. 
 I seem to recall them eating every two hours, then it tapered off each week 
until they were fully weaned at eight weeks of age.  At about the three week 
mark, on advice from the vet, we slowly began to add a bit of wet kitten food 
to their formula in a bowl which they began to learn to lap up.  (Plus they 
still got the bottle.)  My memory is a little fuzzy after 14+ years. lol  But, 
at some point they started eating from a bowl and were no longer interested in 
the bottle.  I think at about eight weeks.

Anyhow, we got help from my sister who lived next door.  Is there someone who 
can help you feed the babies while you are at work?

By the way, our bottle babies are still with us.  Tigger and Taylor will be 15 
years old October 1st. :)

Gina

Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Cassandra --
   
  This is a toughie, obviously, and I have no practical advice to give, never 
having had young kittens.  But if you can make this work it sounds like a 
chance for you and your husband (who sounds like a total keeper, BTW!!) to 
continue the good work you started with your angel kitties.  These new ones 
wouldn't be *replacing* the three you lost, BTW, don't think of it that way.  
Entertain the possibility that Tomi, Kisa and Koda have something to do with 
finding these new babies to save.
   
  This must be so frustrating -- time isn't on your side here, you obviously 
can't wait till the kits' feeding schedule is less intense, or they could come 
to harm, but at the same time, sometimes mom cats do extreme things when they 
think they and their kits are in harm's way, which she might if they're 
captured.  Is there anyone who could come in for a while and feed the kittens 
during the day until their feeding schedules are less intense? Or is there 
maybe a foster person who would give you liberal visitation rights until the 
kittens are older.  It also seems to me that the momcat might be more tameable 
if the kits weren't an issue, so again, bad timing.  Is there a way you could 
trap them and watch carefully for a while to see what her instincts seem to be 
when confined?  Maybe if she/they were confined outside, rather than go right 
from barn to house, it would be less of a shock?  (I'm just throwing this stuff 
out as it occurs to me, sorry!  Hope some of it is
 relevant!)
   
  Diane R.
   

-
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C  J
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 7:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Now i've got something of a dilemma


  
  What worries me, is this mom is used to farm life, and for starters, may not 
even want to live with us.  If she abandons her babies by being moved here (I 
would lock her in a room with them, but she still could abandon them), I don't 
know that I am able to feed the babies, both my husband and I work mon-fri, 8 
hours a day.  We live 20-25 min drive away from work outside of the city.  It 
is possible

RE: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues

2007-07-02 Thread Gina WN
You're a good mom Caroline!!
   
  You made me laugh out loud with your description of feeling weak-kneed.
   
  :) Gina

Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I talked to Dr. Susan Maier (holistic) yesterday.  I was having a lot of 
trouble myself remaining positive and I was doing a lot of crying this week 
about Monkee's anemia situation.  She said that Monkee's has a really strong 
life-force and he looks really good and I need to stay positive because the 
blood transfusion will buy more time for her remedies to work.  I asked about 
reversal of the anemia and asked her to look at the records of the blood 
results from his CBC on Tuesday at Dr. Daley's.  I asked if she could tell if 
he had regenerative or nonregenerative anemia based on those.  She said his 
regenerative values were all within the normal limits, but that no, she 
couldn't tell from the blood results.  However, she told me if the anemia is 
brought on by the chemo, it's usually regenerative (and can thus be reversed); 
if the anemia is brought on by his actual Feline Leukemia, it's usually 
nonregenerative (and usually irreversible).  I said, I guess that is why
 Dr. Daley talked about doing the bone marrow biopsy, because that would be the 
only way to really examine the marrow and be able to tell what is going on with 
the RBC, right?  Dr. Maier said yes.  I said, of course, we aren't doing a bone 
marrow biopsy, but now I FINALLY have a better understanding of what is going 
on.  I know Dr. Daley is a good Vet, she's just so clinical, and 
soo cerebral that I don't think she explains things the way I need 
things explained to me.  And it's not that I am dumb, it's just that this is my 
first FelV+ cat- and unlike her, I haven't been through this (sadly) a million 
times with other FelV+ cats.  Also, when I am sitting there crying my eyes out 
at what she is saying to me, I really need her to slow down and talk to me like 
I am a dumb baby!  So, I am kind of having an issue with that right now.  Dr. 
Maier said that I can call her anytime to bounce ideas off of her or ask for 
clarification about something so I thought
 that was very refreshing.  
  I have also put a call into Monkee's original Vet, Dr. Jones at the Cat 
Clinic of Louisville- for him to call me to discuss us returning to him for 
primary care since Monkee's main problem now is anemia and not cancer.  I 
haven't heard from him yet.  But his office is only 5 minutes away, so the 
stress on Monkee is decreased.  Plus, he only treats cats and so the stress of 
the sound of dogs barking is also eliminated for Monkee.  Dr. Jones just has a 
really good bedside manner that I think Monkee and I both really need right 
now.  
  Dr. Maier suggested that I feed Monkee raw, lean hamburger meat and chicken 
livers to help his anemia.  I was shocked because I am a vegetarian so I NEVER 
buy meat, much less handle it, but I had to suppress my disgust and do it for 
Monkee.  Our first foray into this realm was traumatic- for me.  The chicken 
livers really freaked me out.  When I was cutting them up the first time, my 
legs got weak and my knees felt like they might buckle, but Monkee was sitting 
on the floor looking up at me licking his chops, so I had to pull through, so 
as not to faint and fall on top of him  Needless to say, he 
LOVES it!  I think I gave him too much last 
night- probably because I was losing my mind while cutting everything up- and I 
was worried that I overdid it and he couldn't eat it all, but he cleared his 
plate!  The same this morning.  It's hilarious to watch him eat the livers 
because, even though I have been coating the place with paper towels,
 he will pick up a piece and shake his head around to help break it up (like a 
dog) and he so he gets blood and liver juice (yuck) everywhere!  I swear he's 
doing it just to freak me out!  But he is so happy getting raw food, I think 
that, in and of itself, is going to increase his life force ten-fold!
  



  

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From:  wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject:  To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues
Date:  Fri, 29 Jun 2007 07:46:49 -0700 (PDT)
Hi Belinda,

In response to your post below, I felt the need to
clarify for Caroline's sake.  Bailey's situation
should be considered a miracle in my book.  As we have
seen too many times here, most cats do not respond as
Bailey did with that type of anemia; it claims the
lives of many.  While I do not wish to play a part in
taking away Caroline's hope, I also want to be
completely upfront about non-regenerative anemia.  It
can be reversed, but not usually.  I should have made
this statement earlier.  So That being said, it may be
wise to keep her kitty on Epogen considering Bailey's
case, as we never know when a situation might be
reversed.

Respectfully,
Wendy

--- Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Re: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues

2007-07-02 Thread Gina WN
Great idea about the binder!
   
  Gina

Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Monkee's HCT was 13% two weeks ago (when we first went to the Vet 
because I knew something was wrong).  That was on a Tuesday.  They gave him .3 
of Epogen and sent me home with a tiny bottle to give him sub-cu injections of 
Epogen that Thurs, and Sat.  They increased his predisone (which was 5 mg- I 
think?  the little, small pills), every other day, to one every day; his Vet 
also added the appetite stimulant, 1/2 a pill twice a day.  We did the week of 
Epogen, went back this Tues. and that is when his HCT count was 10% and his Vet 
told us the options (marrow biopsy, transfusion, etc).  We did the blood 
transfusion on Wed. and they said after it, his count was up to 15%.  The 
instructions were to just continue the pred and the appetite stim.  Nothing was 
said about the Interferon or Epogen and I was too out of it to ask because I 
was so shocked by the bill from the transfusion (and all I could think was that 
we can't afford another one).
  He was, what I call Super Monkee (it speaks for itself) on Wed., after the 
transfusion.  But since then, he's gone down a little bit (not with eating 
though); but he's defintely less Super Monkee, and he's less bright-eyed.  But 
he is still sleeping better- actual sound sleeping, as opposed to the just 
laying there and staring into space sleeping.   
  I have printed your emails and I filed them in Monkee's Care Binder- that I 
have organized with ALL his information and it has dividers and everything.  I 
am going to ask questions from the emails when a Vet ever calls me back!  But I 
decided I need to bring some MAJOR organization to caring for Monkee if I want 
to do this right, hence the binder!  I highly suggest this to anyone who isn't 
already doing something similar.  I take The Monkee Binder with me everywhere.  
  -Caroline 



  

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From:  Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject:  Re: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues
Date:  Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:22:31 -0700
PS.  If it were me I would either find a vet who knows how to work 
with epogen or ask your vet to research it, or take research you've 
done to him and ask him to work with you.  Along with the epogen a 
cat should be getting blood builders, nutrived is a good source for 
this.  It has the iron, vitamin b needed to build blood.  Fred's HCT 
got as low as 24% and the nutrived got him back up to 30%.  Nutrived 
wouldn't be enough for a cat with an HCT of 18% or less.  I can't 
remember what is Monkee's HCT?

PS.  Bailey had the bone marrow aspirate and that is why we very 
strongly suspected cancer somewhere.  He had Myloid Dysplastic 
(basically there were pre-cancerous cells there).  We did every test 
we could think of and couldn't find the cancer, even after we got 
his HCT to normal, he had no energy and wouldn't eat.   He succumbed 
to pancreatic cancer which we found after he passed with a necropsy. 
  I suspected his pancreas was involved because he always was 
uncomfortable when I fed him through his feeding tube.  He was on 
high doses of prednisolone and was getting doxy just incase his 
hemobartonella test was a false negative.  The pred and the epo are 
what got his HCT back to normal and stopped the bone marrow 
surpression by the virus.

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Re: new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp

2007-06-30 Thread Gina WN
I also treat with Advantage only when needed.  When I brought my new kitten 
into my home last year she had fleas.  I started my adult cats on Advantage, 
and after she was old enough, I treated everyone with Advantage for two months. 
 This took care of the fleas.  My cats are 100% indoors though.

Laurie, I wish you the best with your furbaby.  I hope her fever comes under 
control.

Gina

Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Hi Laurie,
  
 First, thanks for taking in an older cat that  needed you, I wish there were 
more folks that did..
  
 Fever of unknown origin is a tough one, but I do  agree w/ the other post 
about Revolution.
  
 It's not really very good for fleas, and I have  seen lots of negative medical 
reactions to it.
  
 Skin issues (huge sores developing on contact area,  especially white cats or 
Siamese flamepoints) and neurological problems due the  ivermectin in it.
  
 For some reason, many vets recommend it due to the  fact that it prevents 
heartworms, but heartworms in cats is not very  common.
  
 It can happen, but it's not very  common.
  
 And if kitty is kept inside, chances of her getting  bitten by a mosquito is 
even less.
  
 I would use Advantage for fleas, but for my  personal cats I only treat them 
every year or so, for 2 months straight, then no  treatment for quite awhile 
since they are 100% inside.
  
 make sense?
  
 Good luck, please keep us posted on her  progress.
  
  
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- Original Message - 
   From:laurieskatz 
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:24PM
   Subject: new here ~ feleuk+ cat with hightemp
   

   Hi. We rescued a one to two year old cat about 5weeks ago. She has had a 
temp anywhere from normal (June 19) to 107 (June26). Her blood work this 
week indicates she has a low white blood count and isalso anemic. She has 
no other symptoms (other than recent lethargy) and isstill interested in 
food. 

   We started interferon 7 days on/ 7 days off2 1/2 weeks ago. Isabella's 
temp was normal after the 7 days on and 107 after7 days off. The interferon 
was started again 3 nights ago and today's temp was104.2. She has weighed 
8.5, 8.4, 8.9 (10 days ago ~ this was also the day hertemp was normal). 
Tuesday, June 26, she weighed 8.8 and today 8.7. Shegot fluids Tuesday and 
today (Thursday).

   We are also giving her feline transfer factor.She was on Clavamox for 
about a week and then switched to Zeniquin( for about16 days now) when her 
temp was 105.5. Discontinued Zeniquin today and startedan anti-inflammatory 
(metacam, I believe) that she will take for 3 days.

   She is a wonderful companion. Easy to care for.Impeccable manners. Talks 
and purrs and plays when she feels good. If anyonehas suggestions about why 
the temp and what to do about the temp, WBC and RBC,we would be grateful. 
Thanks!
   ps we applied Revolution May 23 and June 23. Shereacted with fur on end 
June 23. 

   Laurie



 
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RE: Now i've got something of a dilemma

2007-06-30 Thread Gina WN
Hi Cassandra,

I am not trying to pressure you to keep the babies.  I understand the grief you 
are feeling over your other furbabies, as well as the practical aspects of 
taking them in.

But...how old are the babies?  Perhaps mama kitty would not abandon them while 
in your care.  But if she did, perhaps there is a way you can bottle feed them.

When we took in our two kittens (almost 15 years ago) they were seven days old. 
 I seem to recall them eating every two hours, then it tapered off each week 
until they were fully weaned at eight weeks of age.  At about the three week 
mark, on advice from the vet, we slowly began to add a bit of wet kitten food 
to their formula in a bowl which they began to learn to lap up.  (Plus they 
still got the bottle.)  My memory is a little fuzzy after 14+ years. lol  But, 
at some point they started eating from a bowl and were no longer interested in 
the bottle.  I think at about eight weeks.

Anyhow, we got help from my sister who lived next door.  Is there someone who 
can help you feed the babies while you are at work?

By the way, our bottle babies are still with us.  Tigger and Taylor will be 15 
years old October 1st. :)

Gina

Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Cassandra --
  
 This is a toughie, obviously, and I have no practical  advice to give, never 
having had young kittens.  But if you can make this  work it sounds like a 
chance for you and your husband (who sounds like a total  keeper, BTW!!) to 
continue the good work you started with your angel  kitties.  These new ones 
wouldn't be *replacing* the three you lost, BTW,  don't think of it that way.  
Entertain the possibility that Tomi, Kisa and  Koda have something to do with 
finding these new babies to  save.
  
 This must be so  frustrating -- time isn't on your side here, you obviously 
can't wait till the  kits' feeding schedule is less intense, or they could come 
to harm, but at the  same time, sometimes mom cats do extreme things when they 
think they and their  kits are in harm's way, which she might if they're 
captured.  Is there  anyone who could come in for a while and feed the kittens 
during the day until  their feeding schedules are less intense? Or is there 
maybe a foster person  who would give you liberal visitation rights until the 
kittens are  older.  It also seems to me that the momcat might be more  
tameable if the kits weren't an issue, so again, bad timing.  Is there a  way 
you could trap them and watch carefully for a while to see what her  instincts 
seem to be when confined?  Maybe if she/they were confined  outside, rather 
than go right from barn to house, it would be less of a  shock?  (I'm just 
throwing this stuff out as it occurs to me, sorry!   Hope some of
 it is relevant!)
  
 Diane  R.
  
  
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C   J
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 7:51 AM
To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Now i've got something of a  dilemma


 
 What worries me, is this mom is used to farm life, and for  starters, may not 
even want to live with us.  If she abandons her babies by  being moved here (I 
would lock her in a room with them, but she still could  abandon them), I don't 
know that I am able to feed the babies, both my husband  and I work mon-fri, 8 
hours a day.  We live 20-25 min drive away from work  outside of the city.  It 
is possible to come home at lunch time, but that  gives us only 10-15 mins to 
feed the babies.
  
 How often do babies need to eat?  Isn't it every couple  of hours?  And how 
long do they need to eat that frequently.  I could  probably take a few days 
off work to look after them, but do they need to eat  that frequently for a 
whole 4 weeks?  I really know nothing about looking  after baby kittens.
  
 I just don't want to do more harm than good here.
  
 Cassandra

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RE: Now i've got something of a dilemma

2007-06-30 Thread Gina WN
Cassandra,

I didn't see your other email saying you had decided not to take them in 
(before I emailed the one below.)  I understand your feelings and there will be 
those who need you out there when you are ready.  Take your time.

Take care,
Gina

Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Cassandra,

I am not trying to pressure you to keep the babies.  I understand the grief you 
are feeling over your other furbabies, as well as the practical aspects of 
taking them in.

But...how old are the babies?  Perhaps mama kitty would not abandon them while 
in your care.  But if she did, perhaps there is a way you can bottle feed them.

When we took in our two kittens (almost 15 years ago) they were seven days old. 
 I seem to recall them eating every two hours, then it tapered off each week 
until they were fully weaned at eight weeks of age.  At about the three week 
mark, on advice from the vet, we slowly began to add a bit of wet kitten food 
to their formula in a bowl which they began to learn to lap up.  (Plus they 
still got the bottle.)  My memory is a little fuzzy after 14+ years. lol  But, 
at some point they started eating from a bowl and were no longer interested in 
the bottle.  I think at about  eight weeks.

Anyhow, we got help from my sister who lived next door.  Is there someone who 
can help you feed the babies while you are at work?

By the way, our bottle babies are still with us.  Tigger and Taylor will be 15 
years old October 1st. :)

Gina

Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Cassandra --
  
 This is a toughie, obviously, and I have no practical  advice to give, never 
having had young kittens.  But if you can make this  work it sounds like a 
chance for you and your husband (who sounds like a total  keeper, BTW!!) to 
continue the good work you started with your angel  kitties.  These new ones 
wouldn't be *replacing* the three you lost, BTW,  don't think of it that way.  
Entertain the possibility that Tomi, Kisa and  Koda have something to do with 
finding these new babies to  save.
  
 This must be so  frustrating -- time isn't on your side here, you obviously 
can't wait till the  kits' feeding schedule is less intense, or they could come 
to harm,  but at the  same time, sometimes mom cats do extreme things when they 
think they and their  kits are in harm's way, which she might if they're 
captured.  Is there  anyone who could come in for a while and feed the kittens 
during the day until  their feeding schedules are less intense? Or is there 
maybe a foster person  who would give you liberal visitation rights until the 
kittens are  older.  It also seems to me that the momcat might be more  
tameable if the kits weren't an issue, so again, bad timing.  Is there a  way 
you could trap them and watch carefully for a while to see what her  instincts 
seem to be when confined?  Maybe if she/they were confined  outside, rather 
than go right from barn to house, it would be less of a  shock?  (I'm just 
throwing this stuff out as it occurs to me, sorry!   Hope some of
 it is relevant!)
  
 Diane  R.
  
  
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C   J
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 7:51 AM
To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Now i've got something of a  dilemma


 
 What worries me, is this mom is used to farm  life, and for  starters, may not 
even want to live with us.  If she abandons her babies by  being moved here (I 
would lock her in a room with them, but she still could  abandon them), I don't 
know that I am able to feed the babies, both my husband  and I work mon-fri, 8 
hours a day.  We live 20-25 min drive away from work  outside of the city.  It 
is possible to come home at lunch time, but that  gives us only 10-15 mins to 
feed the babies.
  
 How often do babies need to eat?  Isn't it every couple  of hours?  And how 
long do they need to eat that frequently.  I could  probably take a few days 
off work to look after them, but do they need to eat  that frequently for a 
whole 4 weeks?  I really know nothing about looking  after baby kittens.
  
 I just don't want to do more harm than good  here.
  
 Cassandra

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Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda

2007-06-30 Thread Gina WN
Cassandra,

I'm just now reading all the email from the list.  I got a bit behind.  I 
didn't realize that you had just lost Tomi.  I am so sorry! :(  Following on 
the loss of Kisa and Koda must be devistating.

Losing your best friend in Tomi is so heartbreaking.  You saved him from a life 
on the streets if he even made it that far.  With you, he experienced great 
love and care.

I'll be thinking about you and sending healing vibes.

Gina

Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cassandra I am so sorry you lost your 
sweet Tomi.You were a great Mama to him.Hugs to you,
  Sherry

C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I've just lost my closest friend other than my husband.  Tomi and I 
have had a special bond ever since my husband brought him home.  My husband was 
out walking the dog by the river in October of 2004, on a cold and rainy day.  
There was a kitten crying in the trees, cold and wet, and my husband couldn't 
just leave him there.  I wasn't impressed at first, since we already had 4 
cats, but Tomi quickly won me over.  I've had a very close bond with him ever 
since.
   
  He was very timid at first, hiding whenever there  was a strange noise or 
person, we often wondered how my husband was able to catch him to bring him 
home.  His tail had been broken at the end at one time too, it sort of looked 
like a question mark when it was straight up.  Tomi quickly came around though 
and trusted us, though he still always hid when any strangers came to the house.
   
  Tomi was the type of loving boy that always acknowledged your presence when 
you touched him or talked to him...or even looked at him sometimes.  He never 
showed any signs of annoyance when I gave him too many hugs/kisses, and never 
got angry.
   
  3.5 months ago when I found out he was anemic and had FeLV, I was devastated. 
 I watched him slowly decline for nearly 2 months until he crashed and I was 
sure he would die.  Amazingly he bounced back and gave me another good 8 weeks 
with  him.  Except during this time I had to watch Koda and Kisa (Tomi's close 
buddy) get sick and die, so I didn't get to spend as much time with my Tomi as 
I would have liked.
   
  Then just a few days after Kisa died on June 12, Tomi got sick and crashed 
again with the anemia.  He was having a hard time breathing, and again he 
bounced back.  Last week he had a huge appetite, eating everything I gave him, 
and drank lots of water.  Yesterday, he started to crash again.
   
  Today, he was eating a little bit of liver I gave him and still drinking, but 
his breathing was becoming more labored.  Then around noon, he began panting, 
and I watched him die in a way that will haunt me forever.  He was so scared 
and crying because he couldn't catch his breath.  This is absolutely the worse 
thing i've ever experienced.   
   
  A huge part of the happiness in my life is now gone.  I guess i'll just 
wander around like a zombie for awhile, and maybe the pain will eventually turn 
to numbness.
   
  Thank you all for the support you've given me through all of this.  It looks 
like this ordeal that has been going on nonstop since March 9 is now over.
   
  Cassandra



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Re: Tomi has joined Kisa and Koda

2007-06-30 Thread Gina WN
Your pictures are so beautiful.  They made me cry.  

I feel about my Tigger the way you feel about Tomi.  I've had him for 14+ years 
and it's still not enough.  You only had your Tomi for a short time and it is 
natural to want more time.  We are here for you whenever you need us.

Peace,
Gina

C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Thank you all so much for your thoughts 
and prayers.   Knowing there are people out there who truly understand and care 
without having  ever met myself or my babies means so much to me.  This is a 
link to a  picture I made the first time Tomi was sick, and have since had 
printed and  framed (Tomi is on the left, Kisa on the right):  
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/FirstSpacetrip5.jpg .   Now that 
they are both gone, I guess it is even more fitting.
  
 Here is another pic that I like of them:  
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/Kissing.jpg
  
 Today is still pretty tough for me.  I still can hear  Tomi's cries at the 
end, and it is breaking my heart.  Everytime I think of  it, I just feel like 
punching something.  I felt so useless and terrified  for him. 
  
 I realize I lost my best friend after my husband  yesterday.  Even if we were 
to get another kitten or two one day, I don't  think i'll ever have as close a 
bond again as I did with Tomi.  I just wish  he could have stayed for longer 
than the 2.5 years I had with him.  My  house feels so empty now.  I can no 
longer give my little boy a good long  hug when I feel upset.
  
 Cassandra
  
  
- Original Message - 
   From:C  J 
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 3:05 PM
   Subject: Tomi has joined Kisa andKoda
   

   I've just lost my closest friend other than myhusband.  Tomi and I have 
had a special bond ever since my husbandbrought him home.  My husband was 
out walking the dog by the river inOctober of 2004, on a cold and rainy 
day.  There was a kitten crying inthe trees, cold and wet, and my husband 
couldn't just leave him there.  Iwasn't impressed at first, since we 
already had 4 cats, but Tomi quickly wonme over.  I've had a very close 
bond with him ever since.

   He was very timid at first, hiding whenever there was astrange noise or 
person, we often wondered how my husband was able to catchhim to bring him 
home.  His tail had been broken at the end at one timetoo, it sort of 
looked like a question mark when it was straight up. Tomi quickly came 
around though and trusted us, though he still always hidwhen any strangers 
came to the house.

   Tomi was the type of loving boy that always acknowledgedyour presence 
when you touched him or talked to him...or even looked at himsometimes.  He 
never showed any signs of annoyance when I gave him toomany hugs/kisses, 
and never got angry.

   3.5 months ago when I found out he was anemic and had FeLV,I was 
devastated.  I watched him slowly decline for nearly 2 months untilhe 
crashed and I was sure he would die.  Amazingly he bounced back andgave me 
another good 8 weeks with him.  Except during this time I had towatch Koda 
and Kisa (Tomi's close buddy) get sick and die, so I didn't get tospend as 
much time with my Tomi as I would have liked.

   Then just a few days after Kisa died on June 12, Tomi gotsick and 
crashed again with the anemia.  He was having a hard timebreathing, and 
again he bounced back.  Last week he had a huge appetite,eating everything 
I gave him, and drank lots of water.  Yesterday, hestarted to crash again.

   Today, he was eating a little bit of liver I gave him andstill drinking, 
but his breathing was becoming more labored.  Then aroundnoon, he began 
panting, and I watched him die in a way that will haunt meforever.  He was 
so scared and crying because he couldn't catch hisbreath.  This is 
absolutely the worse thing i've ever experienced. 

   A huge part of the happiness in my life is now gone.  Iguess i'll just 
wander around like a zombie for awhile, and maybe the painwill eventually 
turn to numbness.

   Thank you all for the support you've given me through all ofthis.  It 
looks like this ordeal that has been going on nonstop sinceMarch 9 is now 
over.

   Cassandra
  

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Re: need advice quick

2007-06-30 Thread Gina WN
I'm keeping you both in my prayers.

Gina

dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Wendy. His fever keeps going 
up and down,
but not down enough.  The IR should be here tomorrow,
and so should the blood test results.  He is still not
eating, but I am feeding him the liver shake.  Between
that, and the fluids he is nicely hydrated.  She also
put him on linotinic.

I am trying to keep him cool, by sponging, and a fan. 
Wish I had a cooling blanket.  He doesn't seem any
worse, infact, he is moving around more.



--- wendy  wrote:

 IR dosage for 8 lb. cat is .25 to .5 mL.  The
 generic
 for IR that Revival Animal has is EqStim, I believe.
 
 I think you have to get Epogen through your vet, but
 not sure on that.  It goes under several names
 (Procrit, etc.) 
 
 :)
 Wendy
 
 --- dede hicken  wrote:
 
  Just got back from the vet.  She put him on Delta
  Albaplex.  It has several antibiotics and
  prednisolone.  We are to use it for 5 days.
  
  Took blood.  She said it looked thin.  His gums
 are
  OK, but it looks like he is amemic.
  
  I called Revival.  The IR is only 5ml.  How much
 do
  you use at a time?
  
  Where do you get epogen and how much is it?  Vet
  didn't know about it.
  
  She is not optimistic, of course, but is doing her
  best, I believe.
  
  Say a prayer for mylittle guy.
  
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Re: Victor Please add to the CLS :(

2007-06-30 Thread Gina WN
Rest well sweet Victor.  I am so sorry Kelley.

Peace,
Gina

Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sweet Victor a cat with the most 
beautiful green eyes lost his battle to felv today.He was living with 
Camden,the same guy that recently lost Laurel.THis is his 3rd one he lost to 
this aweful disease.He has such a big heart for adopting the feleuks.I really 
though Victor was going to make it much longer.Thank you all for your support.
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Re: FIP Facts - WAS - Suzie crossed the bridge

2007-06-30 Thread Gina WN
Thank you for the information Belinda.  I am going to read all of it.

Gina

MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the most important info, i believe, in 
the last few years, is the research showing a genetic predisposition for the 
mutation from the usually benign corona virus to the horrible FIP. when i was 
still involved with VIN (the parent of  www.veterinarypartner.com that belinda 
references), this relationship was just starting to come out, through the 
Feline Genome Project results from UC Davis and other participants. the winn 
feline foundation (whose link i don't happen to have right at hand but a search 
will pull it up, has current position papers on FIV, FeLV and FIP. personally, 
i disagree with their overly pessimistic stats on both FIV and FeLV, but that's 
me.) 

as belinda says, the information is out there and we have a responsibility to 
make sure that what we don't add to the confusion by repeating stuff that is 
NOT accurate.

(and yes, i STILL haven't found where, exactly, the oft-quoted figure that 70% 
of healthy adult cats can throw off the FeLV virus. but i'm still looking.) 



On 6/28/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
   Here are some sites with info about FIP.  Just because the same 
misinformation keeps getting repeated isn't going to make it true.  To many 
cats pay with their lives when incorrect information is tossed about.  To say a 
cat is suspected to have FIP is one thing, to say is is confirmed without the 
proper verification procedures being followed is in my opinion criminal.
 
--
 
 This is from the VeterinaryPartner.com website written and maintained by vets, 
it is from 2002 so even this is probably no the most accurate info:
 
 http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=AA=232
 
 FIP effusion fluid is thick, tenacious, straw-colored to deep golden, and 
clear to slightly cloudy.
  From another Vet Website, again written in 2002:
 
 http://www.vetinfo.com/cencyclopedia/cefip.html
 When cats have the effusive form of FIP in which abdominal fluid 
accumulation occurs, the thick, straw colored fluid has characteristics that 
strongly suggest FIP. It is possible to run a more specialized lab test, a 
polymerase chain reaction test for FIP, on this fluid. This type of testing is 
more accurate than FIP antibody testing but still is not definitive. Blood 
tests to compare the various protein levels in the blood can be very suggestive 
of FIP infection, as well. High immunglobulin levels are very suggestive of FIP 
in the presence of clinical signs. Despite all of this, there is no clear-cut 
way to make a sure diagnosis of FIP prior to death. This person does Dr Addie's 
website and probably has some of the most current and factual info on FIP:
 
 http://www.orionfoundation.com/Information.htm
 3) Verify FIP through histopathology.  Simply necropsy is not enough. 
Microscopic evaluation of tissue from biopsy or necropsy by a trained 
pathologist is considered the only diagnostic proof of FIP. Where available 
request immunoperoxidase examination of tissue to verify presence of Corona 
virus in suspect tissue. 
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Re: Victor Please add to the CLS :(

2007-06-30 Thread Gina WN
Sorry, I meant Sherry!  I think I read too many emails in a row.  

Love and peace to you Sherry,
Gina

Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rest well sweet Victor.  I am so sorry 
Kelley.

Peace,
Gina

Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sweet Victor a cat with the most 
beautiful green eyes lost his battle to felv today.He was living with 
Camden,the same guy that recently lost Laurel.THis is his 3rd one he lost to 
this aweful disease.He has such a big heart for adopting the feleuks.I really 
though Victor was going to make it much longer.Thank you all for your support.
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Re: Ambrose Please add to the CLS :(

2007-06-29 Thread Gina WN
Awww he sounds like he was a sweetie Sherry.  Gentle Bridge vibes to him.
   
  Gina

Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well we lost yet another precious handsome guy.Ambrose went through so much 
in his life,he was a hurricane Katrina cat,and was with us since just after I 
started volunteering back in November 2005.He was 10 years old when he first 
came to us.He loved his Temptation treats and as soon as he would see me with 
them that handsome gentle guy would meow at me with the softest meow.I will 
miss Ambrose. :(
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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

2007-06-29 Thread Gina WN
Kelley,
   
  I am so sorry this is happening.  My heart goes out to you.  I don't  have 
any suggestions, but I will pray that you can figure out why this is happening.
   
  Gina

Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hideyo,
   
  They eat Diamond Naturals Indoor Cat, which is not the best, but contains no 
wheat gluten.  It isn't the worst either.
   
  They also eat Evo canned when I can afford it, which isn't always.
   
  I don't think it is the food, or anything like that..it is only affecting 
cats 5-12 yo.
   
  The kittens are ok.

 
  On 6/27/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about the 
food?  What do the eat? Was any of their food related to recall food?
- Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 9:54 PM
  Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
  
 
  I use bleach. I have to to kill the virus such as URI that comes from the 
sheltr.  I use bleach in the litterboxes to kill the giardia, coccidia.  I use 
bleach in my sheets so i don't hav eto sleep on peed on sheets. 
   
  I try to use simple green when I think it will work.  
   
  The thing that mystifies me is that it is affecting a 10,12, and 2 5  year 
old cats...yet the 3 weeks olds are just fine *knock wood*.  3 of them were 
owner surrenders and one was obviously an owned cat -spayed and very friendly.  
A great staff favaprote at T:AC 
   
  I thik they are distessed and it is destroyuing their immune system.

 
  On 6/27/07, Marylyn  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   No decks or fences?  
Here they tried to use treated wood (the new version) in the walls where it 
touched the concrete.  
   
  Any insecticides?  Termite/roach/ants stuff?  Any cleaning solutions?  
Bleaches?  
   
  I'm not picking at you.  Please don't think that.  I know of other cases 
where things we think nothing of cause problems for our friends and many times 
we never find out what.  Consider that there appears to be an increase in 
cancers among people that some are blaming on the numerous chemicals now in our 
food, water, homes.   
   
  If you have a good alternative vet in your area, try him/her.  The ones I 
know can sense the problems when regular vets, who are really attuned to 
science and the scientific method, just can't.  Mine have convinced me that 
even the little blue crystals in some litter is not good for cats.  They have 
the ability to see as a cat.  It is much like baby-proofing a house.  You get 6 
inches from everything with your nose, eyes, mouth etc.   
   
  You mentioned carpet.  Consider what you use to clean it and whether it is 
outgassing.  I don't have any here but picked up a piece to make Dixie a 
scratching post (very good carpet remnant).  It has been on the porch rail for 
3 months outgassing.  Dixie won't have anything to do with it and it will never 
make it into the house again.  I am just trying to see how long it takes the 
odor to go away.   Again, I am not picking at you.  This awful set of events 
may be something entirely within the cars.  I had 2 unrelated female cats 
several months apart die.  I trapped them and had them spayed at different 
local vets.  One had every test done before she was spayed.  The other had just 
the basics done.  Both appeared extremely healthy.  Both were fine the night 
before they died but both died the third day.  I was so totally broken up that 
I asked my personal vet (120 miles away) what was going on.  Without an autopsy 
(animal version) no one could be sure but he couldn't come
 up with anything.  One could easily have had undetected heart problems but 
both of them???  All of this is to say that sometimes things just 
happen no matter how careful we are and, again, please don't think I am picking 
at youjust throwing out ideas/feelings in the hope that something 
might ring true with you.  You have been thru so much.  Maybe an angel will sit 
on your shoulder and whisper an answer.  That is my prayer for you. 
   
   
   
   
   
   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
- Original Message - 
  From: Kelley Saveika 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:45 PM
  Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
  
 
I don't have any wood.  I have concrete subfloor, carpet over some of it, vinyl 
tile over other parts of it, it is all by itself in som eplaces.  Where the ac 
flooded and we had to rip up the tile...but that was 3 years ago... 

  On 6/27/07, Marylyn  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:   They did until a 
couple of years ago 

Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

2007-06-29 Thread Gina WN
Kelley,
   
  Gentle Bridge vibes to Suzie.  I am sorry she didn't come out of her coma.  
Please try not to blame yourself.  The fact that these kitties come to you 
already compromised, might be the problem, rather than anything you are doing.
   
  Take care,
  Gina

Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh Kelley, I am so sorry for your loss, I just finished responding to your 
other email and then saw this one.  Please don't put the blame on yourself for 
trying to rescue too many.  Look instead at how many lives you have saved.  
Add them up.  Our local Humane Society euthanized almost 28,000 animals in 
2002.  We are all getting the emails showing whole families of cats about to go 
to the gas chamber.  You are doing good in the face of a horribly frustrating 
problem of overpopulation.  If some of yours are succumbing to stress, it is 
the owners who surrendered that are responsible for causing the stress, not 
you!  
   
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RE: Please add Nookie to CLS

2007-06-14 Thread Gina WN
I am sorry about Nookie.  She obviously grew to trust and love you.  I am glad 
she had the time with you that she did.
   
  Gina

Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Jeni --

I'm sorry that Nookie had to leave you just as she was starting to
become a real part of your household. Gentle Bridge vibes to her.

Diane R.

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Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Please add Nookie to CLS

Nookie passed on saturday night. She was a feral we took in a year ago,
and 
though she hide quite a bit she was finally coming out and hanging out
near 
us. She curled up into the little hiding place we made for her under
the 
stairs and passed away peacefully.
Thank you for all the support
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Re: Charity (Crossed The Bridge)- Heartfelt Thanks Update

2007-06-13 Thread Gina WN
I am so sorry that Charity crossed the Bridge.  She will be in your heart and 
soul forever.  One day you will be with each other again, as well as with Bart 
and the others who have crossed.
   
  Gina
  

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 6/11/07 4:02:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL 
PROTECTED] writes:
  Take
care of yourself and treat yourself to that slice of
cheesecake or a hot bath or whatever brings a smile to
your face.  Charity would like that.

  
  Dear Wendy  ALL the wonderful, compassionate, supportive, et al list members,
  It's Tuesday now and I have not been online [too much other stuff- 
devastated mainly]
  Just wanted to let you all know [again], this group is so, so wonderful.. 
I know I'll never leave...
  I want to give thanks for all the suggestions on what to do w/ Charity's 
remains When all of a sudden you're faced w/ such a tragedy, your mind goes 
blank..  And, since MVA my mind doesn't function
  My room mate was absolutely a god-send  And, he didn't even like my 
girl, thought I was crazy for taking her in...(Poor girl only liked me, she was 
nasty w/ everyone else.)  Can't blame her though, not one bit. (Being taped 
in a cardboard box w/ her babies ) After that, was it any wonder she 
despised humans???  I know, with all I've seen, I definitely prefer critters 
over humans.
  I couldn't get a cooler, but thank heavens we live in a real old home.My 
room mate wrapped her {gently] very well and he put her remains down in the 
basement..And, being such an old house, the basement has stone walls, also, 
a crawlspace - which is where he placed her.  And, it was HOT, but the basement 
[always] remains cool
  So, yesterday, Monday, I [we] took her to vet for cremation.  And, when I get 
her remains back, she will be [back] w/ her [our] Bart again.
  She was such a loving girl - when I earned her trust when she came to me to 
help Bart When she realized I DID help her [our] Bart, the change in her 
behavior was unbelievable  And, gaining trust is so wonderful  I 
can't even express just how I felt  (Bart  Charity both put their trust in 
me  And, that meant more than I can ever express).
  I absolutely loved my Charity,  and knowing that she loved me is.. 
WONDERFUL!!!  AMAZING
  I'm just so heartbroken she passed at such a young age.  But, I can take 
comfort knowing at the end, she finally knew she was much loved
  I really believe it was FIP.  Being together w/ Bart, well. 
  And, I have the comfort remembering cuddling her  holding her right before 
she passed I'll NEVER forget that!
   
  And Wendy, as far as taking care of myself, well, being a vegan, cheesecake 
is out. {I DO make tofu cheesecake, but I'm just not into baking, or any 
cooking right now].  And yes, I did take a bath... but you know what I did, 
that seemed to get almost all my feelings out   Washed ALL my windows, 
curtains, put diff. curtains up in all my windows   But, you know what???  
It really, really helped me deal
  Go ahead, call me crazy.
   
  Much love  thanks to EVERYONE
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Re: CLS for Jet

2007-06-13 Thread Gina WN
I am sorry Tad.  I'm glad Jet was with you in her last moments on earth.  
   
  Gina

Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  My sweet black cat Jet just passed away just a few minutes ago 
June 12, 2007
She is the 5th of the 6 FeLV+ cats from Angel Wings... She has been here 
with me
for 2 years.. She is probably about 5 years old... She has been healthy 
all the time
she was here and enjoyed her life here with Marie and myself and all the 
other cats...
She has been especially close to my feral cat who was just starting to 
tame when jet
came here... Jet most often slept curled up next to me and that's where 
she was tonight
when I felt those now all to familiar little muscle contractions that 
signals when life has
left the body on this earth...
I knew her time was coming about a month ago when she started acting 
like an older
cat and slowed down sum but even tonight she was eating but she had been 
acting
quite weak today and only an hour before she passed was the 1st time 
that she wasn't
able to stand up and walk... I pulled her up close to me and she felt 
comfortable...

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Re: Kisa is gone :(

2007-06-13 Thread Gina WN
Cassandra,
   
  I know your heart is breaking and I am so sorry for your loss of Kisa.  We 
all were hoping she would rally as well.  Take care of yourself.  Godspeed Kisa.
   
  Gina
  

C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month 
after Koda.  My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there with her at 
the end.
   
  I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve after she 
started eating again a week and a half ago.  I suppose it was just too much for 
her to overcome.  The anemia never really did improve much. Though her 
breathing was better, her skin was so pale.
   
  The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting weaker.  
I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm relieved she didn't 
have to go on suffering much longer.  I don't think she was in pain, and I 
sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at the end.  It was just so hard to see her 
so weak when she was as active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago.
   
  Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say.  She never quite saw her 
3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be forgotten.  She was 
special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know where to start to list them all.  
Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, curious, and sweet are just a few of the 
words that describe her.  She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few nights, 
and i'm going to miss her warmth so much.
   
  If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to Koda tonight.  I made a 
rock garden full of flowers on top of Koda's grave.  Now Kisa will join her 
there.
   
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Re: Skidboot video

2007-06-05 Thread Gina WN
I was crying so hard at the end of the video, my husband asked me what was 
wrong!  What a wonderful dog and story.
   
  Gina

Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: Hideyo got her missing cat Maddie!

2007-06-03 Thread Gina WN
Great news Hideyo!
   
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Re: Horus Please Add to the CLS :(

2007-05-31 Thread Gina WN
I'm so sorry Sherry :(

Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Horus I only got to know through 
e-mails and pic from Dr. Jen.He had to have one of his eyes removed and was 
blind in the other.He suffered severe head trauma and lived at Jens house.He 
slept next to her every night and purred his little heart out to her.(I am 
crying now as I write this) Dr. Jen became very attached to this beautiful 
black boy.He lost control of his tongue and was not able to eat properly.She 
really HATED to admit defeat but had to let him go on the 27th.He was also 
felv+. I admire ALL that she does for these wonderful babies!!
  Thank you all for being here for me.
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Re: l-lysine - ADVISE

2007-05-31 Thread Gina WN
When Pippin tested FeLV positive at six weeks of age, I started giving her 500 
mg of Lysine a day.  This was based upon information from this group.  My vet 
did not think it would hurt but she didn't think it would necessarily help.  
At any rate, Pippin has been FeLV negative as of six months of age (she's one 
year old now.)  I don't know if the Lysine helped her throw the virus, or she 
had a false positive test, but it didn't hurt her any.
   
  Gina
  

Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I use the l-lysine from a health food store, the powder inside a capsule, 
250-500 mg once a day.  It's an amino acid and is water soluble so any excess 
is excreted in the urine.  Hard to OD on l-lysine.

Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   What I have is Vet Viralys which I got 
from my vet. It says use 1/2 scoop 
(one scoop = 250 mg of l-lysine) twice a day for kittens under 6 months and 
1 scoop for cats over six months but that the dosage can be adjusted. My 
vet didn't think oding would cause a problem. I don't know if this will 
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From: wendy 
To: 
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: l-lysine - ADVISE


 Rett,

 I cannot answer your question completely, but in case
 you don't get anymore replies, I used to give Smookie,
 my new kitten last year who had a corneal ulcer, 500
 mg 2x per day. Some will probaby say that's a lot,
 but it worked wonders. Smookie was probably at least
 six months old at that point and at least 5 lbs. I
 would not give that much to one as small as you have.
 Hopefully, you'll get more info. on this. Also, make
 sure that the lysine does not have the additive
 propynol glycol. It causes blood issues in cats.

 :)
 Wendy

 --- Rett Lacy wrote:

 Hello,

 How much do you give a kitten before their next
 retest ( first one, weak positive). Mg?? xday??
 etc. Weight 2.5 - 3.0.
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Re: OT: Neighbor threatens ferals

2007-05-31 Thread Gina WN
What a jerk!  A little poop never hurt, and besides, who knows if it's the cats 
or not?  I would definitely keep an eye out on this guy and I would report his 
threat to the ASPCA in case anything happens to the kitties.  I'll be praying 
for them.
   
  Gina

wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Anita,

I'm so sorry. That stinks that your new neighbor is
being a jerk. Saying you're going to kill an animal
is very serious and cruel. Is it an option for you to
speak with the wife when he is not home? Maybe she
doesn't know that he did this. Also, could you talk
to the ferals the next time you feed them and explain
the situation and tell them that this guys is
dangerous. Maybe that would help. If this situation
gets more serious, there are options, like calling a
shelter to have the ferals trapped and moved to
someplace safe, or calling the aspca on this guy. 
Prayers going out that his heart would soften and that
the kitties stay out of his path. 

:)
Wendy

--- Stray Cat Alliance
wrote:

 Do you believe this storyevery day, I feed my
 front yard and back yard cats (I love in a townhome
 attached on both sides)..and have done so since we
 moved into the City in 1998. Last May my elderly
 neighbor moved out (she was pet friendly and had
 volunteered at the Humane Society) and new neighbors
 moved in (no pets). 
 
 Over the weekend, I was cleaning out my backyard
 house of straw from winter and the husband neighbor
 came over and said a cat was pooping in the landing
 of his basement steps. I said I feed only stray cats
 and you can't control where they go as you can't
 control the birds pooping where they want. He said
 you don't walk in bird poop. But in any case, I said
 to let me think about the situation as it never
 happened before. So I went in and got a plastic bag
 and cleaned up the poop as I didn't want any
 problems. Funny that noone ever pooped in our
 landing but ours smells a lot better - not that
 musty yuck smell.
 
 Then that night, in the middle of the night, I
 realized the one thing that changed was my husband
 put stone along the only grassy section in the
 backyard. In the morning, I asked my husband to move
 the stones as I figured that would probably make it
 stop if it was indeed a cat/s.
 
 Then, the door bell rings and my neighbor wants to
 speak to my husband. Of course, it was about the
 cats. My husband said it might not be a cat/s, there
 are skunks and possums. And just to put some wood
 out to block the cat/s or animal/s from going down
 the steps to the landing.
 
 Then the neighbor says if it doesn't stop he's going
 to kill them! Then my husband said he couldn't do
 that or he'd go to jail -- and my husband said then
 he didn't have time to argue about it and came in.
 
 Now, I am worried about the kitties! I would love to
 take still somewhat feral Mom cat (tho she lets me
 pet her) from the front inside but I have way too
 many cats and doubt she'd appreciate it. If we ever
 move, she is definitely coming. 
 
 I am crossing my fingers and hoping this blows over.
 
 
 Thanks for listening, I know I am rather long
 winded!
 
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Re: Please add Scamper to the CLS list

2007-05-31 Thread Gina WN
Scamper sounds like a wonderful kitty.  I am so sorry he crossed the Bridge.  
   
  Gina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Please add our cat Scamper of 18 years to the CLS list. He lost his 
fight with cancer and CRF, he died in my arms. He will go to the rainbow 
bridge to reunite with his sibling Eli who passed last year of 
complications form FIV. His memory will be kept alive, so in part he 
will be be still alive.

He will be cremated, and then when my wife passes his ashes will join hers.

He was the kitten that did not stay down stairs in the box we made for 
him. He jumped/climbed up the stairs to our bedroom, jump/climbed up the 
comforter on our water bed to sleep with us.

Whitey Elric Bone, Regis, Luceria, Geo, Saiko, Stumpy, Marely, Eli, 
Cuddles, Butch, Romeo, Dartanion, Satan, Ni**er, Sasquash, Little Tux, 
Big Tux, and the too many others, help him at that place of rest, help 
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Re: questions

2007-05-31 Thread Gina WN
Jane,
   
  I felt the same feelings you are feeling when I got the positive result on my 
Pippin when she was six weeks old.  I would look at her sweet face and think, 
how much time do I have with her?  I felt it every day of the five months I 
waited for her second test result.  Even though she tested negative the second 
time around, I still have a sense of fear that it is in hiding in her bone 
marrow, or somehow she had a false negative on the IFA.  I think the fearful 
and sad feelings are normal.
   
  One thing I know is, we don't know how much time we have, any of us.  I think 
it's particularly hard to deal with a possible time table like with FeLV or any 
other disease.  But in a way, it reminds us to cherish every moment, because we 
don't know how long we have.  There are more wise and experienced people on 
this list who will speak to this though.
   
  Prayers going up for you and MeMe.
   
  Gina

Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Cassandra you and Kisa are in my thoughts and prayers.

Does the anxiety and sadness ever go away? I feel as though
I am still in shock with the diagnosis. I feel I am back to the place
I was when my 19 year old (NoNo) was failing and I would wake up every
few hours to make sure she was ok. The feelings of impending loss
and sadness became like a low grade fever for many months. When it
became clear that she was in pain and had to cross, I was prepared and
relieved to be free of the fear and anxiety and sadness that became a 
part
of the end of her long and happy life and our infinite bond.

When I brought this kitten (MeMe) home, I was exhilarated by her 
sweetness and
smitten by the antics of a young cat. It had been a long time since 
someone had
propelled themselves across the room from a counter top to the back of 
my neck.
She sleeps between us in the same spot that NoNo had for 19 years.

The Feline Leukemia diagnosis has brought back the sadness and 
bittersweet feelings
of loss and mortality and connectedness. While I am committed to doing 
whatever I can to
give her the best care and support available, will I ever be able to 
hold her and kiss her
without a surge of sadness and regret and longing? Does the shock of 
this disease ever move
to a place of acceptance and appreciation for the present time and 
moment.

I realize that what I am asking has to do with my own consciousness and 
ability to live in
the moment with gratitude that I selected this dear, sweet being to 
love and care for.
She's sitting on my lap, purring and I am typing. I guess that is an 
answer.

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Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee

2007-05-26 Thread Gina WN
ROTF!!!
   
  Gina

Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  From watching crime dramas on tv, I've learned that coffee grounds are 
used to disguise the scent from drug sniffing dogs. Excuse me while I 
go throw a pound of coffee in my dryer :-) .

Taylor Scobie Humphrey wrote:
 Something just dawned on me. You know how Nordie's has those little 
 containers of coffee beans to sniff between testing perfumes? I used 
 to manage a coffee store and I always smelled like fresh coffee. 
 People in check-out lines would ask me what the wonderful coffee was 
 in my basket--and there was none! Maybe little sachets of ground 
 coffee in our pockets would work. !?

 Taylor Scobie Humphrey
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]


 On May 21, 2007, at 12:52 PM, Nina wrote:

 I wonder if there have been any studies conducted on deterioration 
 effects of the olfactory senses from living with too many cats. My 
 sniffer isn't what it used to be either. Perhaps it's a blessing in 
 disguise, but it does little for our social lives. I've had people 
 in check out lines ask me about my pets. I'll quick sniff at my 
 clothing but so far it's been more the tell tale dog and cat hair and 
 not problem odors. I have little chance of getting away with a 
 spontaneous murder. I carry way too much traceable dna with me 
 wherever I go.
 N

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RE: OT: on the subject of pee (long) - kitty condo

2007-05-26 Thread Gina WN
Are their prices wholesale or retail?
   
  Gina

Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  OMG, how cute is that pink one
   
  Diane R.


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Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 12:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: on the subject of pee (long) - kitty condo


  
Hi Pam,
Here's the link to the kitty condo I got recently.  It was actually $89 bucks 
plus shipping.  I got it from Petedge.com.  Phaewryn had posted the site to the 
ot list and MC commented on the condo, (so I figured it had to be a good one).  
I'm very pleased with it.  It folds for easy storage too.  I'm sorry I 
chickened out and got the black one instead of the pink one :-) .

http://www.petedge.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=4851itemType=PRODUCTiMainCat=0iSubCat=0iSubSubCat=0iProductID=4851AS=1

Pam Norman wrote:   Nina, where did you get the rollaway kitty condo? 

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Re: Plastic Bag Kitties

2007-05-26 Thread Gina WN
I do the same thing with my Tigger (in paper bags with handles.)  He loves to 
be gently swung back and forth!
   
  Gina
  

Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Delightful little kitty you have there!  
Taylor Scobie Humphrey
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On May 21, 2007, at 5:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Tigger loves those bags to play in. I can hold one open, and he will walk 
in and lay down, then I can pick him up in it (like he's a sack of groceries), 
and swing him around in it (he's laying down in the bag upside down at this 
point, like a hammock). He chirps and then flips over and digs his claws in and 
digs out through the bottom of the bag, and out he pops! He loves it, he's a 
silly boy. Sometimes if I get tired of swinging him and he hasn't decided it's 
time to get out yet, I hang him on a doorknob by the handles, LOL!
  
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Re: Charlie Brown and little Sister Oscar to CLS

2007-05-19 Thread Gina WN
I'm just now getting back to my email as I was on vacation.  I am so sorry to 
hear about Oscar and Charlie.  It does sound as though Oscar wanted to be with 
Charlie; they had a special bond.
   
  Gina
  

Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Sheila, It's so hard to lose any little critter but two at the same time?  I 
think little O wanted to be with Charlie, too.  
Taylor Scobie Humphrey
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  



On May 17, 2007, at 8:07 AM, Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote:

Sheila, I'm so sorry about your babies.  One at a time is too much, two is 
unthinkable.  Gentlest of Bridge vibes to Charlie Brown and Oscar, and hugs to 
you.
   
  Diane R.


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Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:32 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Charlie Brown and little Sister Oscar to CLS


  
Please add Charlie to CLS list he passed Sunday night and today we had to pts 
his little sister Oscar (she chose that name). She has been small and delicate 
all her life. She stopped eating Sunday and was in a lot of pain from kidney 
failure. I think she really wanted to go with Charlie. They were both felv+. 
Charlie was 15 and Oscar was 12 years old. My heart is breaking, I miss them so 
much. It seems that in my house they leave in two's. I know they are together 
and know longer sick so I will try to remember only the good days. Give your 
babies extra love tonight.  Sheila



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Re: latest on itchmo.com

2007-05-10 Thread Gina WN
Me too.  This is absolutely horrific!
   
  :( Gina

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Re: question on test result

2007-05-10 Thread Gina WN
My Pippin was a slight positive on the ELISA at six weeks of age and came up 
negative on the IFA five months later.  The vet thinks it was a false positive. 
 But, it's possible Pippin could have thrown the virus.
   
  Gina
   
  
Debi Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Deana,
   
  I foster cats and I have had 2 test slightly positive and we always wait 
(though I guess they could not do that with the momma) a few weeks before we 
retest.  On retested negative and one retested positive.  And when they retest 
positive with the snap test we then always do the test that is sent out of the 
office.
   
  I am glad to hear that you are looking for another vet.  Who is she to get 
mad because you were not having the kittens PTS
   
  Debi H.

Deana K. Wagoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Here is the next bit of info on my situation - My husband went by the vet 
office to pay the bill for the service provided on the stray mama that died 
from the dog inflicted injuries.
The vet was not at all happy that we were not bringing the kittens to her to be 
put to sleep - since she is confident they are all positve and will die. (she 
has never seen them) 

The vet now says the first test on the dying mother was slightly postive so 
she ran it again and it was More positive. Is there such thing as slightly 
positive or is it just yes or no? 

I will never know if the mama cat was beyond treatment for sure, but I do know 
that the test was done about 4 hours after I left her there and no treatment or 
exam was done before that. 
The most important item on the list was this test. 

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Re: Update on mva kitties - SAMMI IS SAFE!!

2007-05-06 Thread Gina WN
Absolutely fantastic news!!!
   
  Gina

Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
I'm so thrilled to report that Sammi is safe, reunited with Geri, Little Guy 
and her family!  Below is an edited version of the report on what happened last 
night.  HURRAY!!  Nina OH MY GOSH - we got Sammi tonight!  I am sorry if I 
have a bunch of typos  here but I am pretty much operating on being up since 
3:00 am last night.Sammi's human parents decided to come out tonight to 
look for Sammi.Traps had been set this afternoon where it was obviously she 
had been hiding out.  I was going to go back later and set the rest of the 
traps.  I was supposed to meet the fur parents in a parking lot near the site.  
I pulled in first and was actually on the phone when I looked to my left and 
saw Sammi!  I told them  - I have to go now - I see Sammi.  I called the 
parents and said Where are you?  They had just turned down the street and 
flashed their high beams at me.  They got out and I told them Sammi had gone up 
behind the dumpster where she had eaten the food the
 night before.  This was about 7:45 this evening by the way.  So they walked 
over and started calling her.  When Sammi heard their voices, she started 
meowing.  This was the first we had heard anything out of Sammi.  Within 10 
minutes, dad had Sammi in his arms.  They had brought a carrier and I set it on 
the ground with the door open and then backed off so I would not spook Sammi.  
I thought he had her secure  ly scruffed but just as he was about to put her in 
the carrier, she flipped around and took off again and went into her hiding 
place. It took another hour and much coaxing and some food in a small plate 
that they could shake and finally we got her again.  This time we put the 
carrier in my car and he went in my car and we closed the doors until he had 
her secure.  So Sammi is going to spend the  night with Geri and Little Guy and 
tomorrow will be on her way up north with a volunteer to settle in back home.  
The parents are so grateful for all of the help  that
 everyone has offered.  I cannot believe we got all 3 cats back!  It is truly 
amazing!  I guess it takes a village to catch a cat!  WOW - I am exhausted 
but still on such a high from getting this cat.  THANK YOU,THANK YOU, THANK YOU 
everyone for support, comments, encouragement - even though you may not have 
been here on the front lines.  We have made a family very happy.  I got to meet 
the baby tonight.  He is adorable and doing as well as can be expected.  They 
may not get around to thanking everyone personally but please know that they 
are extremely grateful for all of the kind words, efforts and they are truly 
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Re: My precious bottle baby is gone

2007-05-02 Thread Gina WN
I am so sorry Kelley.  Bless you for loving these babies.
  

Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Died at the vet today, where I had been taking her to be fed when I
was at work.
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Re: Herbie is gone......

2007-05-01 Thread Gina WN
I'm so sorry Herbie is gone.  Their loss leaves such a hole in our hearts.
   
  Gina

Tracy Weese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Herbie was in a lot of distress at home and so I took him to the emergency
vet (also the place that just saw him on Friday), even after being
stabilized in oxygen, he continue to go down hill. His heart was enlarged
and we were very limited in what diagnostics could be done in light of the
stress on the heart (couldn't give him fluids) and then his inability to
drawn air in..The new X-rays shows spots on the lungs and poss. fluid,
the lymph nodes were still very large.

So, with a poor prognosis, and the fact that he would not be able to
survive surgery or sedation, I decided to let him go. When I went back to
see him, I knew immediately it was the right thing to do--he looked awful,
even with the oxygen, he was really struggling to breatheHe went as
soon as the sedation was given, he was gone before the lethal fluid was
even given.

I will miss Herbie--he was such a love bug--hence, his name. He liked to
lie next to other cats and put his arms around them. 

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Re: I believe I am going to lose Tomi soon

2007-04-29 Thread Gina WN
My thoughts and prayers are with you.
   
  Gina
  

C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thank you all for your kind thoughts and suggestions for Tomi.
   
  He had a pretty good day yesterday, he was watching the birds outside the 
window for awhile and purring as I petted him.  He was even interested in 
eating some food.
   
  Today was not such a good day.  He seemed ok first thing this morning, but 
when I gave him a bit of food, he promptly vomited up.  He was then a little 
out of breath from vomiting, and cried a bit because I believe he was scared as 
he was trying to catch his breath.  He also peed himself for the first time 
ever :(
   
  After that, he had no energy to move all day.  He basically stayed in my 
bedroom the whole day,  lying under the sink.  I gave him some towels to lie 
on, and he peed again tonight on those, too weak to get up.
   
  My vet clinic doesn't do house calls, so if I need to euthanize him, i'll 
have to call around and see if anyone will do a house call.  I don't think he 
can handle a car ride at all now.
   
  Even the thought of putting him to sleep has me in tears every time, but I 
think he's at the point now that he is getting no pleasure out of life.  I 
think he is waiting to die :( 
   
  Cassandra
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  From: C  J 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:18 PM
  Subject: I believe I am going to lose Tomi soon
  

  I've been hoping and praying that Tomi would somehow pull through this, and 
last week he did seem to be doing better on the 2 prednisone per day.
   
  But now, the last few days, he's been going downhill fast.
   
  Today, he is out of breath just walking a few feet, and breathing fast.  I'm 
still able to coax him to eat a bit of baby food, but he just threw up the last 
bit of food I gave him.  He never throws up normally.
   
  I guess I have to finally accept the fact that he's not going to get better.
   
  I've been thinking about the whole euthanizing thing, but I honestly don't 
know how I could do that to him.  To spend the last hours of his life doing to 
him what he hates the most (car ride and vet visit), seems too hard for me to 
handle.  I don't think i'm strong enough to make that decision.  To me it feels 
like I would be personally ending his life.
   
  I don't want him to suffer either, and i'm not sure at all how much longer he 
will last when he is having difficulty getting enough oxygen circulated due to 
anemia.
   
  I still can't believe all this has happened.  Two months ago I was positive 
he would one day become a chunky, lazy old tom cat, lounging in the sun.  I 
would never have dreamed I would lose him after only 2 and a half years.
   
  Over the last 7 weeks, i've become even closer to him than ever as I've been 
trying to nurse him back to health.He's always been so loving and tolerant 
of my hugs and kisses.  Life is going to feel so empty when he is gone.
   
   
  Cassandra
   
   

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Re: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sherrydj88/my_photos

2007-04-22 Thread Gina WN
She's gorgeous!  What a pretty torti :)  Congratulations mama!
   
  Hugs,
  Gina

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Re: Please add Simms to the Candlelighting Ceremony on Monday

2007-04-22 Thread Gina WN
He is so handsome and looks like a sweet boy.  I am so sorry that he crossed 
the Bridge.
   
  :( Gina

Annieb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Simms was 4 years old and feline leukemia positive. I had

hopes that he was just a carrier as he did so well for the first

three years I had him with me but he became very ill a couple

of months ago, with sneezing and lots of congestion.

He was very special. Such a big sweet guy. He had this

tender, kind of puzzled but curious, look about him and he

never fought with anyone. He was very friendly with the other cats,

such a sweetheart. This list's dear Tamara found him

at a beautiful waterfront park there in Maryland, along with

his brother, Tambours. She posted on this very list about his

needing a home and that he was feline leukemia positive. I

was lucky enough to be chosen by Tamara. As I told her

today on the phone, I thanked her for giving him to me

because he gave me just pure joy and sunshine every single

day. Tamara loved him so much that she drove 18 hours

(wasn't it, T?), straight, to deliver him to me in Michigan from

Maryland. (She also brought me Sophie that day, to those

of you who are familiar with Sophie).

He was a pretty peachy shade of color with that lovely

target-shaped swirl on his sides and big creamy white feet

and some white on his chest and face, too. He had big, tall

elegant ears that I loved to stroke when he let me, finally. He

was pretty big but when he meowed, it was so soft and high

pitched, it was adorable. He didn't meow often as he was

very uncomplaining. When Tamara left him with me, she

told me I would find that he was a very special cat and she

was right, indeed. :-)

He must have died overnight, although he still felt a bit

warm when I lifted him. I woke up and thought he was not

breathing so I let the dogs out and had a better look and yes,

my sweet darling boy is gone. His eyes were half open but

he did not look scared or in pain. He was stretched out like

he was having a good nap and his whiskers were pointing

forward. I'm not sure what that meant but I am consoling

myself by thinking he did go peacefully and unafraid.

I got a package from Tamara yesterday. She had sent

two kitty pop-up tents for Simms and the other cats, to cheer

Simms up. They are so cool! He was not interested in the

tent but he did want to sleep on the crinkly soft pad.

I am kind of in shock and grief-torn because I thought he

was doing a bit better after seeming like he would die earlier

this week. He was diagnosed with either pneumonia or

cancer last month and had been on two antibiotics at a time

for a while and single antibiotics constantly, along with pain

meds towards the end. He wouldn't eat during his last week

or so but he would let me force-feed him A/D and chicken

baby food along with squirts of water all day long. He was a

bit interested in the window and the birdies outside

yesterday and he let me stroke his soft head over and over

which he never trusted me to do much, previously, so I had

thought maybe he was a bit better and would continue to

heal.

I buried him earlier today with his Christmas stocking and

his little mouse and this cute stuffed animal that Tamara sent with

him, a purple beanbag bear. It was a beautiful day and that

just made it even harder. He was such a dear polite gentle

sweet funny gentleman of a cat, a very special, loving boy

and I loved him mightily.

Here is a link to a few of my favorite photos of him that

I uploaded online in case someone would like to see what

he looked like: http://tinyurl.com/38skop

Well, sorry for this being so long but I know you guys, if anyone,
would understand.

Anne and angels Simms, Jimi Too Cool and Bugsy

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Re: Camilla Please add to the CLS :(

2007-04-19 Thread Gina WN
Sherry,
   
  My heart goes out to you.  Your Camilla sounds very sweet.  I hope she had a 
gentle Bridge crossing.
   
  Hugs,
  Gina

Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Through tears once again I write to you.Camilla was a sweet tortie with an 
awesome personality.She will be missed by many.The lady I volunteer with on 
Thursdays totally loved her,every time when we were ready to leave for the 
night she would tell CamillaNow you be here next week ok I hurt for her loss 
and mine,not to mention Dr. Jens. THank you all for being here for me.Nobody 
understands more than ALL of you.This has been a horrible month with losing 
babies.
  Sherry

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Re: sigh. don't forget to keep checking for recall news.

2007-04-19 Thread Gina WN
My Tigger likes donuts.  He gets a small taste every now and again.  I was very 
surprised when he took a bite right out of the mini-donut I had in my hand!
   
  Gina
   
  

Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The 3 Orange Boyz will try anything! Muffins are a great favorite 
and since they are not supposed to like sweet things I assume it's 
the texture. And doughnut holes! Although, I have to say, I don't 
think those scientists know everything. Maybe some kitties DO enjoy 
sweet things! Also, my cat Jack used to gaze at himself in the 
mirror--it was just so neat! And one evening I was snacking on 
prunes and that's when I discovered that Billi Bi my tuxedo boy runs 
off with the plastic lid. He looks so funny going down the hall with 
that big yellow lid in his mouth! The first time he walked around 
with it he misjudged it's width and bumped into the doorframe!
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On Apr 18, 2007, at 1:55 PM, Belinda wrote:

 That seems to be true for the most part because those I've had 
 since kittenhood have had a greater variety in their diet, 
 including human food and Joey being one will eat just about 
 anything, he is not picky at all. My others I got as strays with 
 unknown past histories, some will eat a variety and some will not, 
 they will eat one or two things and that is it!!

 i was just fascinated by the part about cats, as a species, 
 imprinting on food and non-food when very young. makes so 
 much sense in terms of those who will kill for human food while 
 others couldn't care less, and how difficult it is to change their 
 diets. i'm hoping that one of the books will go into that 
 aspect more fully..

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Re: Stamp went to the bridge

2007-04-19 Thread Gina WN
I'm so sorry to hear about Stamp.
   
  Gina

Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Beth,
  I am so sorry for your loss of Stamp.  I had to pts Ally last summer due to 
FIP, it is a rotten disease.
  Peace to you and yours,
  Beth N.
  

 
  On 4/17/07, Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had Stamp PTS this 
morning. He was getting very uncomfortable from the FIP, was jaundiced, losing 
weight, and anemic.
   
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Re: Genevieve( VitterVits)

2007-04-19 Thread Gina WN
Sherry, bless you!!!  I am so glad you took Genevieve home.  What a beautiful 
name.  I can't wait to see the pictures!
   
  Gina

Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So I did it,I brought home my beautiful felv+ baby girl tonight.So far they 
are doing pretty good.She is checking out her new home and her new brothers are 
checking her out.She is doing all the hissing but nothing severe.I sure hope I 
did the right thing.
  Dr. Jen said that I better take her tonight cause she had a e-mail about 
someone interested in adopting her.I think it was a plot to make sure I took 
her. :) Oh well she is MINE now. :)
  I will post some pics for you to see her soon.Take care.
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Re: Camilla and Spencer

2007-04-18 Thread Gina WN
Poor babies!  I will keep them in my prayers.
   
  Gina
  

Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We are in great need of prayers and good thoughts for these two wonderful 
babies.
  Camilla has gone down hill fast and is anemic,she is also one of Dr. Jens all 
time fav kitties.
  Spencer has the same thing that Diesel just lost his battle to.But his isn't 
as bad it is only swollen on one side of his throat.She is trying all that she 
can for these babies.THanks so much.
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OT:: more recalls

2007-04-18 Thread Gina WN
I work for a retailer which sells mass quantities of items made in China.  
Since I chose to shop in my own store, it's going to be doubly hard for me not 
to buy goods from China.  I will do my utmost best!  I can't wait for my local 
farmers market to open in May!
   
  :) Gina

wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thus the effects of a global economy...things were so
much simpler when we weren't buying over 75% of our
goods from overseas. I think it's dangerous to our
very existence to set up our national economy in this
manner. Here's to buying U.S. made only!!! And I
will not be buying anything Chinese if I can help it. 
So much controversy with that country.

:)
Wendy

--- Nina wrote:

 The death and sickness of what we are dealing with
 is a the real 
 nightmare. We've already been surprised about how
 few 
 factories/companies/suppliers are truly involved in
 the making of our 
 processed pet foods. It can be done. I don't know
 how long it would 
 take to track this sort of data base, who knows,
 maybe someone is in the 
 process as I type this. It's already too late for
 thousands of dogs and 
 cats, I'm very sorry to say that it appears
 thousands more will 
 experience the same fate before we get to the bottom
 of it, if we ever do.
 Nina
 
 wendy wrote:
  It's not just as simple as comparing ingredients
 when
  you're talking about this many companies. They
 have
  to compare all of the following: each ingredient,
 from
  which company each came from, and then for each
  individual ingredient, they need a list of
 ingredients
  that made that ingredient, and which companies
  provided each of those, and so on...until they get
  down to the raw ingredients for everything that
 made
  that product what it is. Then they also have to
 look
  at batches/dates for all of those, and all the
  manufacturing facilities involved. It's a
 logistical
  nightmare... 
 
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RE: OT: Roombie-the new Roomba - for those of youconsideringpurchasing one

2007-04-18 Thread Gina WN
I got mine at Drs Foster and Smith too.  It works really well!

Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Marylyn, I have this 
rubber spongy thing that my friend gave me. They’re cheap, and I love it! It’s 
grayish black and kind of shaped like a rectangle, but with a curved inner part 
for you to grip. I think she got it from Drs. Foster and Smith, but I’m not 
really sure. But, this thing takes the fur and rolls it up when you drag is 
across the upholstery. This is the only way I can vacuum my furniture—I have to 
do this first which gets up the majority of the hair, but the stuff that’s left 
is actually vacuum-able. I also bought some vacuum spray stuff that’s supposed 
to allow the hair to not stick to furniture, but it was a mess and didn’t 
really work, and it would get in places I didn’t want. By far, I stand my 
rubber thing!
   
  I’ll look later for a link to one, I couldn’t find one on the Drs. Website, 
but I know it’s out there somewhere. But, I did read while looking that many 
people use a rubber glove. I’ve never tried it. If you do, let us know!
   
  Melissa
   
  
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Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 6:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: Roombie-the new Roomba - for those of youconsideringpurchasing 
one

   
I saw something about rubber gloves (like for washing dishes) getting up 
fur on upholstery.  Has anyone had any experience with this?

 

 

 

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From: elizabeth trent 

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 6:34 PM

Subject: Re: OT: Roombie-the new Roomba - for those of you 
consideringpurchasing one

 

I'm curious -- how much does it hold?  I love my purple dyson for animal 
hair but so help me - we're such a shedding bunch I have to empty it 
frequently.  how does it perform?

 

elizabeth

 

On 4/15/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  Hey guys,

Just wanted to let you guys know that Roombie (our new
Roomba Sage for pet owners) went on it's maiden voyage 
this morning.  The kitties were somewhat alarmed at
first, but by the time it cleaned for 45 minutes and
docked itself, they weren't too concerned with it.
Smookie ran over to it when it stopped and has been 
trying to get the brushes out from underneath it.
It's too cute.

So far, Roombie did a bang-up job of vacuuming my tile
floors-the living room, kitchen, and eating area along
with the front entry way and hallway leading from 
that.  That's as far as it could go since all the
doors were shut along the hallway.  I was very
surprised with how well it patterned itself while
cleaning.  It got in and out of tight spaces.  It even
tried to eat Smookie's feather toy, but I rescued it.


We paid $219 for it at the irobot website, which is
the company that makes Roomba.  A better deal than at
Linens and Things or Bed, Bath, and Beyond.  They 
have a pretty decent special, which includes free
shipping, and a free home dock (normally $60); fairly
cheap for a Roomba.  Normally, I am a very frugal
person, but I have bought three vacuum-cleaners in the 
past few years at about $50 each at Walmart, and all
have died.  Plus, I don't actually have to do the
vacuuming myself, so that itself was worth the extra
money.  With the tile, as opposed to the carpet we had 
that hid a lot of dirt, every speck of dirt shows up,
and I'm having to sweep every day as it is.  So all in
all, I'm happy as of day one.  We'll see after a month
or so if Roombie was worth it.

:)
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Re: A couple of pictures I took of Tomi today

2007-04-16 Thread Gina WN
Tomi boy is gorgeous!

C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I took these pictures today of my 
little Tomi boy:
   
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  And here is an older pic of Tomi and Kisa (my other Felv baby) together:
   
  http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/TomiKisa.jpg
   
   
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RE: Ages please

2007-04-16 Thread Gina WN
My Pippin tested positive at 6 weeks of age on the ELISA test.  Five months 
later we had her retested using the IFA test; she tested negative.  She is the 
reason I joined this group. :)  My other three kitties, Tigger (14 years), 
Taylor (14 years) and Bob (8 years) are negative for FeLV (they are also 
vaccinated for FeLV.) 
   
  Gina
   
  Here is a link to their photos:
   
  http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a106/tiggerwiggins/Our%20Cats/
  

Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Oh Nan, She sounds precious! I had an all black kitty once when I was a
kid--I named her Gorgeous! I only wish I had room and lived closer to
Michigan (I'm in northeast Nebraska), but I'm sure someone on here should be
able to help you! Please keep us posted! Have you given her a name?
Melissa

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nan Gelman
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 1:58 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Ages please- OT- Ferals

hi all, 

It has been a while since I have posted to this site, but I need some help
is there anyone in southwest Michigan who would like to adopt a very sweet
all black female sprayed kitty cat. This kitty was found in a camp grounds
trying to get in to anyone's car that she could. She is about a year old
sprayed and front declawed. She tested negative for both FELV and FIV She is
very sweet and gentle. Please let me know asap. 

Thanks so much 

Nan 


 Original message 
Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:20:11 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Re: Ages please- OT- Ferals 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 I know all too well what those poor babies are
 feeling - being in captivity.And I didn't mean to
 put them down using the term nasty. Sorry, my
 mistake. It's not their fault at all But,
 bless them, being trapped  rescued  being at the
 shelter is a lot better than what they were facing -
 CERTAIN DEATH!!!
 We got so many calls from people begging for help
 because they were facing other (kill) shelters
 coming out to trap them due to complaints from
 neighbors.
 And, our shelter/sanctuary is not a bad place 
 All cats are placed in large rooms/areas after
 initial isolation while doing all tests/bloodwork. 
 And, each area has an outside deck for them. Plus,
 lots of beds, little huts (to act as hiding
 places), etc. And, they always have plenty to
 eat.dry  wet. So, they will never face hunger
 again. Or any illness - we have vets on property
 3X a week (Now, medicating them is tricky, but
 it does get done.)
 And, I always had (still do, I think[?]) a way in
 working w/ ferals. Fostered MANY  was able to
 bring them around. Can't even count how many
 former ferals were adopted.
 And, now I have my Charity...a former feral. 
 Ended up in ER many times from her!!! And, I was
 just trying to help.. Even Bart (RIP), meanest
 feral I ever encountered, trusted me, sadly, too
 late, when Charity led me to him. I really
 believe the whole reason Charity is a love-muffin
 (with me only), is because she knew I had helped
 Bart, her constant companion.
 People are the problem, NOT the poor cats. And,
 education IS the key, but, sadly, too many people
 won't listen. After all, They're only animals!. 
 Boy, does that p*ss me off! Heard that WAY too many
 times!
 Just wanted to clarify  expand on my previous
 post
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Re: Cassandra and Brunello Please add to the ClS :(

2007-04-16 Thread Gina WN
Bless you Sherry and all that you do for these babies.  They are in my prayers. 
 I am sorry you lost Cassandra and Brunello.

Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Ok now that I have stopped crying 
for the moment,let me ask that these sweet angels be added to the list.
  Cassandra beautiful sleek black girl left us yesterday,she is now with her 
beautiful sister Carissa.
  Brunello had a very rough life before Jen took this wonderful rough looking 
but very handsome boy with the loudest motor into Sids.I fell in love with him 
the second that I saw him.This was a shocker,I was just there Thursday and he 
was fine.Yesterday morning when one of the volunteers came in,she found him 
gasping for breath.It was found that he had a large mass on his trachea.
  This volunteering is the hardest yet most rewarding thing that I have done in 
my life.I am soo glad that I have all of you to talk to.
  Sherry

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Re: OT: Pregnant Feral Kitty....Questions

2007-04-16 Thread Gina WN
I can see both sides of the issue.  However, being the softy that I am, I would 
have trouble aborting the kits.  My Tigger and Taylor are the offspring of a 
feral mom.  I guess that's why I feel the way I do.  Good luck with the little 
girl Terrie and let us know how it goes.
   
  Gina
  

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Terrie,
   
  I disagree with aborting kittens unless you absolutely have no option. When I 
adopt kittens too young to be altered, the spay/neuter is included in the 
adoption fee and must be done at my vet. Bingo, if they are late getting them 
fixed I know it since I havent gotten a bill from my vet. I call and if they 
don't get them altered I take the cat back (its only happened once) then mom 
and all babes are fixed and the cycle for that family stops. 
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Re: OT: Roombie-the new Roomba - for those of you considering purchasing one

2007-04-16 Thread Gina WN
How neat!  I'd love to have one of those.  Sounds like you got a really good 
deal.
   
  Gina

wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hey guys, 

Just wanted to let you guys know that Roombie (our new
Roomba Sage for pet owners) went on it's maiden voyage
this morning. The kitties were somewhat alarmed at
first, but by the time it cleaned for 45 minutes and
docked itself, they weren't too concerned with it. 
Smookie ran over to it when it stopped and has been
trying to get the brushes out from underneath it. 
It's too cute. 

So far, Roombie did a bang-up job of vacuuming my tile
floors-the living room, kitchen, and eating area along
with the front entry way and hallway leading from
that. That's as far as it could go since all the
doors were shut along the hallway. I was very
surprised with how well it patterned itself while
cleaning. It got in and out of tight spaces. It even
tried to eat Smookie's feather toy, but I rescued it. 


We paid $219 for it at the irobot website, which is
the company that makes Roomba. A better deal than at
Linens and Things or Bed, Bath, and Beyond. They 
have a pretty decent special, which includes free
shipping, and a free home dock (normally $60); fairly
cheap for a Roomba. Normally, I am a very frugal
person, but I have bought three vacuum-cleaners in the
past few years at about $50 each at Walmart, and all
have died. Plus, I don't actually have to do the
vacuuming myself, so that itself was worth the extra
money. With the tile, as opposed to the carpet we had
that hid a lot of dirt, every speck of dirt shows up,
and I'm having to sweep every day as it is. So all in
all, I'm happy as of day one. We'll see after a month
or so if Roombie was worth it.

:)
Wendy

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Re: OT: To shelter owners/volunteers-your opinion needed on site visit for Maltese shelter

2007-04-16 Thread Gina WN
We have a four cat limit in our county. :(
   
  Gina
  

Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Well, I think pet limit laws are archaic and silly and should be abolished.

But that's beside the point.

What if the city code were 6 dogs and 5 cats and tomorrow they changed
it to 3 dogs and 2 cats? I mean, you can't predict the future. What
if they move somewhere where the code is only 4 dogs?

How many of us have had animals

1. in excess of city codes
2. in excess of what was allowed by our landlord
3. in secret from our landlord
4...well, I think you get the point.

Fortunately we don't have animal limit laws here, though the shelter
limits me to 10 (personal and foster) animals at a time.

They only count litters as 1, though. So all my litters, including
the ones that are almost 2 years old, I count as 1. That's how I get
around it. Heh.

On 4/12/07, wendy wrote:
 Hey guys,

 I went on my first site visit tonight with my friend
 who lives here in San Antonio. The only real concern
 she and I both had were that the family already has 5
 dogs and 5 cats. They live in a regular subdivision
 home in San Antonio (regular size plot-nothing too
 large, although the backyard is nicely sized). The
 municipal code says that no more than 5 dogs and 3
 cats be in one home at a time. So our question,
 especially to shelter owners/volunteers, is this: if
 you know adopting a dog out, even if it's to a good
 family, will put that family in violation of city
 codes, would you do it? My friend is not the one
 making the decision; she's just reporting the
 information to the shelter. We were just curious as
 to what your thoughts are on this.

 :)
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Re: sweet kitty in sw Michigan/Who has the cat now?

2007-04-16 Thread Gina WN
My Taylor is black with a little splash of white on her chest and tummy.  She 
has such beautiful shiny fur!  Too bad people are either superstitious or over 
look them.
   
  Gina
  

TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  i can post her to the michigan rescue lists if someone can get me more 
information on where she is, who has her, etc.

and in many parts of the country, black cats are the LAST adopted

hard for me to understand, as my first two cats were black, but it is true 

(speaking of which, it's friday the thirteenth, the universal moveable 
black-cat holiday--celebrate it with someone furry and black that you love!)

  On 4/13/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Where is she?  Who has 
her now?

cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Oh, she sounds so sweet and it is 
so sad that she was
trying to find security in anybody's car! I hope you
find her a home or who belongs to her. I love black 
cats. My Thomaseena was black and lived to be about
18 years old. I grew up with her. When she died I
lost my best friend. My diabetic cat (Katie) is black
and she holds a very special place in my heart. Is
someone taking care of her until then? Did you say
she was declawed? It isn't cheap to have a kitty
declawed. You would think somebody cared about her. 
I will be praying that you find this poor sweet girl's 
home or a new home. 

Cindy Reasoner

--- Melissa Lind wrote:

 Debbie, I bet Nina meant that some people are
 superstitious or believe old
 wives tales (bad luck if a black cat crosses your
 path, etc.). Funny that
 this post occurred on Friday the 13th! Double
 superstitions! I just saw a
 beautiful, silky, short hair all black cat roaming 
 our back yard. I called
 to it from our deck, but it had better things to do!
 I personally am not
 superstitious about black cats, but I do throw
 spilled salt over my left
 shoulder! :) Melissa 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Debbie
 Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 2:41 PM 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: sweet kitty in sw Michigan needs help
 
 out of curiosity - why would a cat have a strike
 against her for being
 black? I'm curious.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Nina 
 Sent: Apr 13, 2007 4:24 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: sweet kitty in sw Michigan needs help
 
 Hi Nan,
 I took the liberty of changing the subject line of
 your post to better 
 indicate what it's about. What a little love this
 girl sounds like! 
 Poor angel on her own with no front claws trying to 
 get into the safety 
 a human's car. It makes me want to go and scoop
 her up myself, (I won't 
 even mention that to Bruce or my overcrowded
 household).
 
 Who has the cat right now? Has anyone posted
 flyers at the campground 
 in case she accidently became lost from her people?
 Someone might be 
 heartbroken and looking for her as I type this. 
 Are you checking local 
 papers for lost ads? Has someone posted a found ad
 in the paper near 
 where the campgrounds are? They should also file a
 found report with 
 the local animal shelter and ask if anyone has 
 reported her missing to 
 the shelter.
 
 She does have a strike against her because she's
 black, (I personally 
 love black cats), but she has quite a rescue story 
 and that might help 
 to find her a home. The very best to you and this
 sweet baby, please 
 let us know what happens to her. Hey... Wasn't
 there just someone very 
 nice on this list that was thinking about adopting 
 a neg cat??? Who was 
 that? Wasn't it Marissa?? Marissa, did you end up
 adopting more cats 
 yet?? 
 Nina
 
 Nan Gelman wrote:
  hi all, 
 
  It has been a while since I have posted to this
 site, but I need some
 help is there anyone in southwest Michigan who would
 like to adopt a very
 sweet all black female sprayed kitty cat. This kitty 
 was found in a camp
 grounds trying to get in to anyone's car that she
 could. She is about a year
 old sprayed and front declawed. She tested negative
 for both FELV and FIV
 She is very sweet and gentle. Please let me know 
 asap. 
 
  Thanks so much 
 
  Nan 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Re: Well, it looks like i'm going to lose Tomi :(

2007-04-16 Thread Gina WN
Tomi is in my prayers.  I hope by some miracle he'll pull through.
   
  Gina

C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I took Tomi to the vet today to have his PCV rechecked.  He's been 
lethargic again lately.  The PCV has gone down to 11 from 17 in the last week 
and a half.
   
  I just don't understand it.  After his transfusion, his blood count went up 
on its own from 13, to 17, then 19.  Now in the last few weeks, its gone down 
to 17, and now 11.
   
  I've been giving him prednisone again for the last week and a half, and now 
all the vet could suggest was to up his prednisone from 1 to 2 tablets a day.
   
  I guess his hemobartonella wasn't the only problem with his blood.  The vet 
says that its likely his bone marrow is shutting down, and she didn't think 
another transfusion would be worth it.
   
  I don't know what the heck else to do.  Maybe I should stop his interferon 
while giving him the prednisone.
   
  This is so hard, just when I had a glimmer of hope that he might actually 
pull through this, now my hope is pretty much gone :(  It's such a feeling of 
desperation to see him slowly getting worse, and not being able to do anything 
about it.
   
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Re: Many to add to prayers

2007-04-10 Thread Gina WN
Prayers coming your way!
   
  Hugs,
  Gina

Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi everyone,I need to ask for ALOT of prayers for a few of my sanctuary 
babies.
  Nathaniel,sweet handsome tiger and whit boy is terribly anemic and at Jens.
  Spencer,cute little tiger is a bit bloated and at tha clinic.
  Cassandra,sweet little black girl not eating well and a bit lethargig and is 
at the clinic.
  Camilla,crazy tortie seems to be coming down with something.
  Miller,sweet tiger seems under the weather.
  And Milton our new black and white handsome boy is coming down with something 
too.I TOTALLY fell in love with this boy tonight as soon as I seen his face. :)
  Sorry for the big list but you wonderful people have the power of good 
thoughts.
  Thank you soo much once AGAIN
  Sherry and her many furry friends

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Re: Felvtalk - introduction - Chewie and Stitch

2007-04-10 Thread Gina WN
Welcome Joe, you have come to the right place.  There are a lot of 
knowledgeable and caring people here.
   
  Gina

Joe Reil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Howdy all,

This is my first post to this list, thought I'd do a
bit of intro.

We had three cats in our family. The older two were
both castaways that were adopted as adults. Zoro was
the oldest and I adopted him from a co-worker when I
lived by myself. He died several years ago.

The remaining two were Stitch and Chewie. Chewie was
the next oldest. She had a really hard start to life,
she was originally found, as a stray by some friends
of ours. She was probably two or three at the time and
she had evidence of being abused - she had some
suspicious scars on her underside.

She lived with them for a while, very shy/nervous and
eventually came out of her shell. A couple years
later, they had to move, and couldn't take her with
them so we took her in. We had her for several years
as well and while we don't know her exact age, best
estimate put her at 8-10 years old when she died last
month.

She had a loss of appetite and started losing weight.
She had two trips to the Vet - after the first visit
she took a serious turn for the worse so we had her
back at the vet only a few days later. A blood test on
the second visit revealed that she had FelV. So,
considering she was very sick and was suffering from a
pretty serious disease we opted to put her to sleep
then. :(

I didn't know much about FelV then (and I'm still
learning about it), but information from both our Vet
and online resources I found indicated that it was
contagious so we decided to have our third (and
youngest) cat tested for it. Stitch is the only one we
got as a Kitten and she's about 3.5 years old.

I brought her to the vet this weekend and she tested
positive for FelV. :(

I do intend to learn as much as I can about the
disease so we can keep her with us as long as
possible. I know that it will eventually catch up to
her and our main thing will be to put that off as long
as possible. She's still young and healthy so
hopefully that'll be a long time still. :)

We had been planning to get a second cat, but we've
put that plan on hold now. I know it is possible to
inoculate against FelV, but given that the vaccine
takes a while to take effect, we'd either have to
quarantine the new cat until the vaccine took effect
or find it someplace else to live for a month or so,
and on top of all that I don't think we want to put
Stitch through the stress of another housemate at the
moment (she doesn't react well to strangers).

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Re: Please say a prayer for the cats

2007-04-08 Thread Gina WN
The poor babies :(  My heart goes out to them and the shelter workers.

dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Patti,

We found out a couple of hours ago that over 100 cats
perished. 5 fireman were hurt getting the dogs out,
and they did save a few cats. The dog area was away
from the start of the fire.

Apparently, the fire started near the cat area, and
the fire was so bad when they got there, that the roof
collapsed. If ANY good can come from this, it will be
that they can rebuild with the inserance $ and with
the support of the community, build a state of the art
center. The building was so old, but they had fixed
it up really cute. What a crappy time to have this
happen...kitten season. The newspaper made it sound
better than it was. My friend Bill went up there to
check on some cats, and got this straight from the
staff there.

I am hugging mine extra today.
Dede
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 I'm in tears [again]  it also breaks my heart.
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Re: OT - Easter Kittens

2007-04-08 Thread Gina WN
Awww congratulations Kelley!  

Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I could pretend to be the Universe. 
Would you like a few kittens?:P

On 4/8/07, Nina wrote:
 It puts me in mind of all those kittens you had last year MC. I can only
 imagine how much work it was, but I couldn't help but be a little jealous.
 (My crazy is showing!). I love the babies, but the only way I get to
 interact with them is when the Universe plops them in my lap.
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Re: pictures of Cassidy and Ashley

2007-04-06 Thread Gina WN
They are precious!  I like their markings.  Both of them look very sweet.
   
  Gina
  

Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Okay, I know you’re all sick of hearing from me, but here are 
some pictures. I hope this works.
   
  Cassidy:
  
http://picasaweb.google.com/mzurovsk/Cassidy/photo?authkey=Iq5dHa-Vucs#5050179613677810130
   
  Ashley:
  
http://picasaweb.google.com/mzurovsk/Ashley/photo?authkey=imb76PXJObI#5050180614405190130
   
  They’re kind of grainy since my flash isn’t working, and I had to lighten 
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Re: Diesel

2007-04-06 Thread Gina WN
I will definitely keep Diesel in my prayers.
   
  Gina
  

Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I hate to say this but could you all add Diesel to your prayers.He is a 
seet little orange guy who purrs like a diesel.I felt his neck tonight and it 
was VERY swollen.So I called Dr. Jen and she sent her hubby over to get him so 
she can keep an eye on him tonight and start him on meds.Sorry for all the 
begging for prayers but these sweet creatures need all they can get.Hugs to you 
all
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Re: Diesel Please add to the CLS :(

2007-04-06 Thread Gina WN
I am sorry you lost precious Diesel :(
   
  Gina

Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am SO sorry to say that sweet little Diesel has joined the many fur 
angels that have been lost to this HORRIBLE disease.His throat was swollen so 
bad that it was impeding his windpipe and making it hard to swallow.It was a 
mistake that I even noticed it last night.But it may have saved him some 
suffering if it had gone unnoticed too long.This just breaks my heart once 
again to lose such a sweet innocent creature.
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Mega C Plus?

2007-04-06 Thread Gina WN
Has anyone heard of, or given, Mega C Plus to their cats?  I clicked on a link 
in the article and it lead me to the product.
   
  Gina
  

wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Oops...I was referring to the link that MC had posted:

http://howl911.com/#headlines

Sorry about that.
:)
Wendy

--- wendy wrote:

 Have you guys read what the FDA is now
 investigating? 
 That the melamine was added for profit to possibly
 speed up the gelling of wheat gluten, meaning less
 wheat gluten was needed, thus making it cheaper for
 manufacturers. This makes me sick. I am not one
 that
 supports our 'global economy' anyway. I am tired of
 calling 1-800 numbers for help with products I've
 bought, only to speak with someone in India that I
 cannot communicate with...
 
 wendy
 
 
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Re: Melamine added on purpose???

2007-04-06 Thread Gina WN
I can't even process the idea yet that it might have been intentional.  
Unbelievable!
   
  Off topic: I can't wait until our farmer's market opens in May.  I really 
want to buy as much locally as I can.  It's not easy in today's world.  It's so 
hard to find affordable clothing not made in China.  Anyone have any 
suggestions?
   
  Gina
   
   
  
elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll tell you this...I almost bought a top at Target today during my lunch 
break --- until I saw that it was made in China.
   
  elizabeth

 
  On 4/6/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Have you guys read what the FDA 
is now investigating?
That the melamine was added for profit to possibly 
speed up the gelling of wheat gluten, meaning less
wheat gluten was needed, thus making it cheaper for
manufacturers.  This makes me sick.  I am not one that
supports our 'global economy' anyway.  I am tired of 
calling 1-800 numbers for help with products I've
bought, only to speak with someone in India that I
cannot communicate with...

wendy


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Re: Mega C Plus? --Lance

2007-04-06 Thread Gina WN
Can you tell me some of the benefits you've seen with the Mega C?
   
  Gina

Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Ember gets a 1/4 tsp of Mega C Plus in her morning food. She hasn't had any 
problems with it.   

  Lance
  
  On Apr 7, 2007, at 12:03 AM, Gina WN wrote:

Has anyone heard of, or given, Mega C Plus to their cats?  I clicked on a 
link in the article and it lead me to the product.
   
  Gina
  

wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Oops...I was referring to the link that MC had posted:

http://howl911.com/#headlines

Sorry about that.
:)
Wendy

--- wendy wrote:

 Have you guys read what the FDA is now
 investigating? 
 That the melamine was added for profit to possibly
 speed up the gelling of wheat gluten, meaning less
 wheat gluten was needed, thus making it cheaper for
 manufacturers. This makes me sick. I am not one
 that
 supports our 'global economy' anyway. I am tired of
 calling 1-800 numbers for help with products I've
 bought, only to speak with someone in India that I
 cannot communicate with...
 
 wendy
 
 
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  some menu foods
  brands.
  
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Re: advice sought, contacts needed

2007-04-05 Thread Gina WN
Hi Melissa,
   
  I don't know if you've made a decision yet about Cassidy, but I wanted to add 
that my Pippin, who will be a  year old on April 25th, tested a faint positive 
on the ELISA test when she was around six weeks old.  I had her rested five 
months later, using the IFA test, and she was negative.  So, she either threw 
off the virus, or she was never positive to begin with (false ELISA).
   
  At any rate, I hope you find the answers to help you make a decision about 
Cassidy.  I would not have hesitated to mix my Pippin with my others, even if 
she had tested positive.  After learning from this group, I was ready to keep 
her regardless.  In fact, I had all mine vaccinated against FeLV in preparation 
to do just that, in case she was truly positive.
   
  Blessings,
   
  Gina
  

wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Melissa,

I mixed my positive with three other negatives and
they are all still negative years later. They lived
together for four years. As long as your neg's are
adults and vaccinated, they'll most likely be fine. 
In my opinion, fighting/biting is the only sure way to
pass FeLV in adults. Also, since this positive kitty
you have is so young, she has a 40% chance of throwing
off the virus, becoming negative at that point. Even
if you don't decide to mix, can Cassidy stay outside
until you can test her again in 3-6 months to see if
she's negative? Also, there is a high rate of false
positives on the FeLV tests. Some tests are more
accurate than others. Which test did they do on her? 
There are FeLV specific shelters that you can take
her. The Best Friends Animal Sanctuary in Kanab, Utah
is GREAT! My husband and I visited there in February
and they have a wonderful FeLV building (I think it's
called Casa de Calmar) where I volunteered for two
days. They were not full at that point, but probably
will be shortly being that it's kitten season now so
you might want to call them asap. Please let us know
what you decide to do. Good luck.

:)
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Re: CLS Please add Thurston and Carmellia

2007-04-05 Thread Gina WN
I'm so sorry about Carmellia and Thurston.  Thank you for giving them a loving 
home
   
  Gina
  

Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Two more of our FeLV+ kitties have gone on to the Rainbow Bridge 
Carmellia March 13,2007
Thurston March 30,2007

I am having a hard time to write this... Little Thurston was only 3 
months old
when he came to live with me and he only stayed for about 6 months
but during that time he had become my very special little buddy...
He was always with me to help with what ever I was doing... He came
here with his little sister who also passed on a few weeks earlier...
They were very close and I am sure that they now have found each other
at the Rainbow Bridge... I just can't believe he is gone and I keep feeling
he will come pouncing up to see what I am typing... I had so hoped that
he would be one of those very few + babies that stay here for a few years
but that just wasn't meant to be

Carmellia was a middle aged kitty who had been isolated from other kitties
and she was a bit over whelmed with all my other kitties... She stayed in
the isolation cage most of the 6 months time that she was here... Her
own choice... the door was open... She was friendly though and loved
attention in her cage... Just the last month she was starting to sneak out
and come to me if the others were sleeping... I can't help but wonder
if it was the stress of coming into my home that brought on her passing
but she did let me know that she knew she was loved before she left...

We will miss Thurston and Carmellia as we do all the other that have
been with us for their too short life times...

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Re: Feline blood for transfusion available

2007-04-05 Thread Gina WN
Hideyo, I am very sorry Felix crossed the Bridge.  
   
  Gina
  

elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hideyo, I am so very sorry you lost your Felix.  My heart hurts with you..
   
  elizabeth

 
  On 4/2/07, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, my Felix 
passes away –due to severe anemia, he had 4 transfusion during the past couple 
of weeks – I hae 2 more units of blood that I purchased form blood bank for my 
baby Felix available since Felix has gone to heaven – please let me know if 
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Re: Hi Marissa

2007-04-05 Thread Gina WN
I know whoever ends up in your home is going to be very fortunate.  I am happy 
that you have decided to give your abundant love and care to more furbabies.
   
  Blessings,
  Gina
  

Marissa Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Aw, thanks for asking Wendy!
   
  I'm doing okay.  The first several days after Slinky went to the bridge I 
really thought I was doing great!  But the last few nights have been pretty 
rough.  The guilt and what-if's started 2 nights ago - if I'd caught the UTI 
sooner, gotten him in sooner - and to a better vet, done more, paid closer 
attention, etc  In my head I know that's not true, but as someone else 
said, grief is not logical...and neither is guilt!  
   
  I really started mourning Slink when I first found out how sick he was...but 
I think at that point I was mourning the loss of a friend, a companion, someone 
to keep me company.  Now I think I'm mourning the loss of SLINKY...his 
personality, his sweetness, the amazing bond we had.  Those are the things I 
can't ever get back, despite being able to get new friends, etc.  So...it's a 
process I guess I have to go through, but it's not fun!  I cried myself to 
sleep twice this week - holding his favorite pillow and petting the stuffed cat 
that looks like him (tho he's way too small).
   
  People have been fabulously supportive, though.  The vet sent me a card with 
a very sweet note shortly after our appointment, and yesterday I got cards in 
the mail from 2 friends.  Everyone's been checking on me and MC and Barb have 
been talking to me almost 24/7  (THANKS GUYS).  It's so great 
to have family and friends help you through these times.
   
  Despite all the grief, I know Slink would not want me to be alone (he knows I 
need some babies to take care of me! lol) and I promised him I would give a 
good home to other cats.  So I've begun looking for 2 new furbabes to adopt.  I 
actually applied for 2 at the Washington Animal Rescue League:
  http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=8110889
   
  http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=8136096
   
  When I went to visit them again yesterday, one of the staff mentioned that 
they have a lot of apps in for Patience and that they were already leaning 
toward someone before I came along, so it sounds like I may not end up with 
her.  But she said there weren't many in on Rufus...because his condition is 
scarier.  I pointed out that I work in disability rights - it takes a lot to 
scare me! lol  They seemed to think this one (below) would be a good match for 
Rufus since he's pretty quiet.
   
  http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=8136115
   
  I've decided I definitely want special needs kitties...but I just can't do 
another terminal illness (such as felv) again right now.  I don't have the 
emotional resources...nor the financial.  And now that I understand the 
potential costs of treatments, etc. I don't think it would be very responsible 
of me to take in a + cat knowing I can't afford to pay for what they may 
(probably will) need.  It's beginning to seem, though, that the special needs 
kitties are fairly popular...so I'd be willing to take in a healthy, 
middle-aged cat who's having trouble getting adopted as well.
   
  I'll let you all know what happens with the applications...and I know you all 
will love them even if they're not positive!  ;)  
   
  Thank you all so much for being here!  This list has been my lifeline and I 
know I couldn't get through this stuff without you!!!  I hope all your 
furbabies are doing well!!!
   
  MJ and Angel Slinky  :)

wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hey Marissa,

How are you doing today? You sound pretty upbeat in
your posts, so I hope you're feeling good. Slinky is
probably so happy to see you doing well, watching you
from the top of his 'tree in the sky'. 

:)
Wendy

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Re: In memory of Bagheera

2007-04-05 Thread Gina WN
He was absolutely gorgeous!
   
  Gina
  

Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
body{font-family: 
Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:9pt;background-color: 
#ff;color: black;}  I was shifting thru pics the other day and found 
this one of Bagheera. I brought this fella home from the airport where I 
worked. We had a lot of temps working at that time and they were hitting at 
him, licking, etc... At the same time I had just got married and we bought a 
new home. I scooped Bagheera up and took him home. He lived with us for nearly 
2 years. He weighed 20+ pounds. He had been someone's pet because he had been 
neutered, however they also discovered a bb lodged in his skull where someone 
had shot him. He was the most lovable, gentle giant around. Unfortunately we 
believe a coyote may have got him. He went out one morning and never returned. 
Normally he never left the yard. We miss him dearly and he left his mark upon 
our hearts.
   
  
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Re: Late FeLV diagnosis

2007-04-05 Thread Gina WN
I'm also praying for Mao.
   
  Gina
  

C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm sorry that Mao is ill. At least if he is still showing his happy 
personality, you know that he's not giving up on himself yet.

Praying for Mao that he pulls through this and stays with you for quite 
awhile longer.

Cassandra


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From: Nathan Kennedy 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 10:59 AM
Subject: Late FeLV diagnosis


 Yesterday I got the bad news that my boy Mao was FeLV+. This was the
 worst-case scenario and one that I had dismissed because he tested
 negative when I rescued him from the street as a baby in October, as had
 the only other cat he had contact with.

 He saw the vet on his first visit, the next day for vaccinations and a
 checkup, a few weeks later for boosters, again for a nasty fever in
 December that cleared up shortly afterwards, and in January for neutering.
 Other than the fever, the only problems he had were recurring diarrhea
 that I tried to manage by modifying his diet and an occasional fit of
 whooping that the vet had dismissed as hairballs. Those worried me a bit,
 but the vet's clean bill of health, his big appetite, energy, and growth
 all reassured me.

 Until recently. Mao seemed to dull a bit, and started snoring during his
 naps. Over the past week, Mao developed a nasty case of earmites and
 increased trouble breathing, progressing into fits of gasping for air.
 Since he had no runny nose and his temperature was normal, I thought it
 might be asthma. I took him to the vet on Saturday, and he took a blood
 sample and X-rayed him, finding a constriction in his trachea. He
 prescribed prednisone to try to make it easier for him to breathe as well
 as treatment for the mites. Then Sunday night, Mao almost instantly
 developed a horrible eye infection. The third eyelid of his right eye
 closed over and swelled up, blinding him in that eye and making it
 impossible for him to close it--meanwhile, his breathing deteriorated. He
 went back to another vet in the morning, and got eyedrops and ointment as
 well as antibiotics. It wasn't until later in the afternoon I got the
 call that he had tested FeLV+.

 Mao's breathing is not improving. The slightest exertion is enough to
 send him into a loud fit of labored gasping, and when he is not napping
 every breath is strained--he can't climb his scratching post anymore,
 which used to be his favorite perch. Despite all that, he still wakes me
 up in the morning purring and rubbing my face. He still likes to eat and
 pauses between bites of his favorite food to give me his happy look
 through his squinting, red eyes. He has always been such a happy cat, and
 it still shows through all his suffering.

 But if his condition doesn't get any better I don't think he can last much
 longer. It's hard to see this happen to Mao at such a young age (not even
 8 months yet). The vet who diagnosed him told me that he could have
 gotten FeLV shortly before I found him and tested negative. I didn't
 think I would lose him so soon.




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Re: Lucinda Please add her to the CLS

2007-04-05 Thread Gina WN
I'm so sorry Sherry.  
   
  Gina
  

Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am typing this through tears,I just recieved an e-mail from Dr. Jen that 
she had to let our sweet beautiful Lucinda go last night.She is now with her 2 
babies Mini and Max who we lost last year.
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RE: Margarita Please add to CLS

2007-04-05 Thread Gina WN
I was just thinking about the work you do Sherry and how blessed the furbabies 
are to have you caring for them.  I am very sorry about Margarita and all the 
sweet souls you have lost.
   
  Blessings,
  Gina
  

Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Gentle Bridge vibes to Margarita.  
   
  Diane R


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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 2:37 PM
To: Felvtalk
Subject: Margarita Please add to CLS


  
  Well we lost another little orange girl.Margarita wasn't with us long,she 
loved people but not other cats.She loved sitting in our laps and purring like 
crazy.Jen said she had her with her through the night and cuddled with her.I 
guess her abdomen filled with fluids.
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Re: Please add Hillman Waller to cls

2007-04-05 Thread Gina WN
Jeni,
   
  I'm sorry about Hillman Waller.  I hope his crossing was peaceful.
   
  Gina

Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jeni,I am so sorry about Hillman Waller.Hugs to you.
  Sherry

JENI RECA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi,
We had to put Hillman Waller to sleep last night, it was a hard decision but 
best for him. He was a 1.5 years and was the sweetest cat ever! Positive 
as a kitten and also developed lymphosarcoma, but even with the surgery that 
took out most of it near his throat, we think it came back. He went into 
respiratory failure last night. But I take comfort in knowing not only is 
he with all the wonderful feluk kitties that have passed on, he is also with 
Papoose, that we lost last may.
Jeni

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Re: Slinky - Please add to the CLS

2007-04-05 Thread Gina WN
You made me tear up Beth.  I found a little lock of fur in my house after my 
Buddy died and I kept it.  I like to pet it now and again.  I totally 
understand where you are coming from.
   
  Gina
  

Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm so sorry..
  I know how hard it is. If my boyfriend hadn't bee holding me when I put my 
second FeLV kitty to sleep I really think I would have snatched her from the 
table and ran, even though I knew it was the right thing to do.
   
  I had the vet shave some hair from the belly of one of my FeLV cats after he 
was PTS. He had the most beautiful golden belly fur. I put it in the jar with 
his ashes. Now I can pet him any time I want.
   
  Beth

Marissa Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all.  I guess I need to complete the updates on Slinky, huh?  
   
  Yes, he went to the bridge last night.  I was having second thoughts all day 
yesterday...he, of course, perked up a bit, sat in the window sill again 
(hadn't done that in ages), and was still drinking, eating, and breathing fine. 
 I even started to wonder if his nose looked pinker.
   
  But I decided to go to the vet appointment and ask her what she thought - and 
that all important question, what would you do if he were your kitty?  
   
  Right before we left I think I finally understood that it really was time.  
It occurred to me that on Sunday he was very cuddly with me and initiating some 
cuddle time on his own.  But yesterday he didn't want anything to do with me.  
And when we left the vet on Monday, someone said he'd tell me when it was time, 
and I remember thinking, I think he already has told me but I didn't want to 
believe it.  I think his spirit left on Sunday...I think all that cuddling was 
him saying goodbye and beginning to get ready for the journey.
   
  So we went to the vet and I asked her if she thought his nose looked pinker.  
She looked at his gums, etc. and assured me that they were not.  I was tempted 
to have her do another CBC, but that seemed like just adding to the torture 
he'd already been through.  Without my even asking, the vet said, If this were 
my cat, this is what I would be doing.  Not only is he not getting any better, 
but he's actually getting steadily worse...and he's just going to suffer if we 
wait much longer.  She of course pointed out that I had the option of waiting, 
but that seemed like it would just drag out the inevitable.  He was so weak the 
last couple days that he couldn't even get back on the bed once he'd gotten 
down.
   
  The vet explained everything in detail and even shaved some of his fur for me 
since I'd forgotten I wanted a sample (good cuz what she got was way better 
than anything I could've gotten with a scissors).  Then she gave him the 
tranquilizer (I think she did it quickly so I wouldn't have time to change my 
mind...knowing that was best for me and for Slinky).  She said it would take a 
few minutes for it to work, so they left and I just held him and cried and told 
him how much I loved him.  Thanked him for letting me share in his life and 
told him I was giving him the only gift I could at this point.  The room we 
were in had a beautiful painting of the bridge, so I showed it to him and told 
him that was where he was going.  
   
  They had put a sheep skin-like pad on the table and when they came back I 
laid him on that and put his head on his favorite pillow (he loved to knead on 
this sqush pillow I have).  She thought they might have to put a catheter in 
his front leg to get the needle in since his veins were so small, but she was 
able to do it in his back leg.  Once it was in, I just held him and cried and 
cried some more.  But I know he was in peace.
   
  He visited me this morning - as I was waking up I could hear the birds 
outside my window and I distinctly heard a meow (I remember thinking that I 
didn't know of a bird that meowed).  When it happened I got chills.  And when I 
woke up fully I realized that he was letting me know that he's happy and he 
loves me.  
   
  I'm actually doing much better than I expected to be.  After the vet 
appointment my friend took me out to dinner and then to ben and jerry's 
(self-medicating is always good!), which distracted me and that helped a lot.  
Of course when I got home I completely lost it, but I knew that would happen.  
I called dad and he was wondeful about telling me I did all the right things, 
that he loves me, and not to worry about paying all those bills back 'till some 
time in the future.  
   
  Today I relaxed in the morning and then went and got my hair cut (my stylist 
is dad's partner and the owner of the salon...so he has lots of experience 
with losing kitties) and did some shopping.  I got a stuffed kitty that looks 
just like Slinky, so he'll be my new sleeping buddy.  I thought I would lose it 
when I came home tonight, but I just choked up for a bit and really was okay.  
I know all the prayers and thoughts everyone is sending me are 

Re: someone who is GOOD at marketing, etc

2007-04-05 Thread Gina WN
Isn't a small amount of vegetables and grains okay for a dog?  I don't have 
dogs, so I don't know.
   
  Gina
  

Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Doesn't it depend what you feed them though?  I mean I wouldn't think they 
should eat oh..fettucini alfredo..but if they are eating cooked meat shouldn't 
it be ok?

  On 3/26/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   i did see some flyers at the 
pet food store friday
where you can order home cooked 'people' food for your 
dogs.  i didn't get the company name because i was too
busy laughing (not to mention, i saw the flyer on the
floor while using the restrooom).  the company is
serious though.  they have very nice color flyers. 
the food looks just like what the black eyed pea cooks
up for it's customers.  not sure it's healthy though.
vets tell people not to feed their dogs people food.

:)
wendy

--- TenHouseCats  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 you know, they have these businesses all over the
 country for people
 to get together and cook up a week's worth of meals 
 with other people,
 in a fully-equipped kitchen, etc. good company,
 instructions, all the
 ingredients--

 someone needs to start up a business, then franchise
 it, doing that 
 for homemade pet-meals! people could get together,
 talk about their
 critters, share information--and go home with food!

 too bad i am totally USELESS when it comes to
 manifesting anything i 
 visualize. the concrete details slay me

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Re: thank you

2007-04-05 Thread Gina WN
Mama kitty was so fortunate to have you as her human and I feel very fortunate 
to know you from this list and also to know the rest of the list members.
   
  You are all blessings in my life,
   
  Gina

elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you.
   
  I am such an independent cuss -- never thought I would need support from 
anyone but you all have done so much to help me through Mama Kitty's illness 
and her death.  This group has been a valuable source of information and 
comfort.  I've come to think of you as family and I just can't see 
unsubscribing at this point.  I hope it is ok to stay. 
   
  I do have one FeVL+ interest.  One of my ferals that I've been feeding for a 
couple of years -- I named him Zulu -- was captured and neutered by my neighbor 
(who is involved with cat rescue) last year.  He tested positive for FeVL and 
they would not allow him to be PTS (I am grateful to them for that).  He is so 
very feral that there was no hope of ever being able to adopt him.  We all 
wrestled with the decision but we decided to return him to the wild.  We are 
well outside of the city limits and reasoned that since he is neutered he would 
be far less likely to bite anyone.  They clipped his ear to indicate that he 
was neutered and vaccinated.  The decision to set him free was a controversial 
one -- but I've seen too many cats here have to live their lives in cages and I 
pleaded with the cat rescue to set him free and they agreed.  We have one 
neighbor here who has outside kitties - and we contacted him first and sent him 
a lot of information on FeVL+ (although he was
 already very well educated) and he agreed that for our Zulu in this situation 
- this was by far the best decision. 
   
  Since they released Zulu, I've constantly kept good food in the bistro here 
at Liz's Kitty Boutique and Day Spa (and sometimes infirmary).  He has a 
healthy appetite and eats very well.  Zulu will now let me stand within one 
foot of the door (inside) while he eats (outside)..but he is constantly on 
guard to see if he needs to flee for his life.  I give him as much peace as 
possible since meals should be eaten in peace.  If we were ever to test him 
again, we would have to trap him - and he is now very wise to that.  I figure 
the best I can do is keep giving him quality food and clean water and sneak in 
supplements when I can. 
   
  As I grieve it is good to know that there are so many of you who do 
understand.  There is nothing more heart wrenching than literally burying 
someone you love.  I can't remember if I told you but one neighbor gave me a 
beautiful granite stone that he found in Colorado the week before - it is about 
a foot wide and made of granite.  This stone marks Mama's grave...along with a 
beautiful gift from another neighbor:  she brought Mama a beautiful copper 
shepherd's hook...from this hangs a stone bird bath from a black chain that 
hangs low beside Mama Kitty's grave.  Mama did so love to watch the birdies.  
   
  Mama's grave is surrounded by roses -- not just the wonderful perfectly 
formed Hybrid Tea roses for cutting (only fragrant ones planted here) -- but 
also several OGRs (Old Garden Roses) that are so wonderfully fragrant - like 
Bayse's purple (a rugosa) and some beautiful pink and fragrant pink bourbon 
roses..two Loetta Liggett's...can't name them all.  Clematis' wind up the old 
roses that bloom once so that there are blooms on them throughout the season  
There are also daffodils, irises and beautiful pink and white impatiens.  I 
planted a mini rose beside her grave this weekend - a prolific 
bloomer..fragrant and a soft peach color..delicate and beautiful like she was.  
I've been thinking of getting some guardian figures to protect her grave -- 
like Bastet or some lions...but I mostly want for it to be beautiful and 
peaceful and a place that calms the spirit of all who visit.  The place where 
she is buried will be the most beautiful part of this yard.  It meant so much to
 me that my parents asked if they could come over to see where she is buried.  
They cried with me.  I am so very fortunate to be surrounded by love. 
   
  I cannot tell you how many times this weekend I have seen Mama Kitty with me 
as I was sitting on her porch.  I see her everywhere.  I know she is with me.
   
  Thanks for listening to me ramble...and most of all, thank you to all of you. 
 i love you all so much.
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Re: To Kelley: RE: Small meltdown

2007-04-05 Thread Gina WN
I often have to explain to my husband why I'm crying and it's generally over an 
Internet friend's cat who is sick or who has died.  He seems to get it now! :)
   
  Gina
  

wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  lololol...should I be laughing at this??? it does
sound crazy, but we all know you aren't.

thanks for the endorphins

:)
wendy

--- Kelley Saveika wrote:

 Wendy,
 
 I have meltdowns nearly every day just reading this
 list. I can
 barely read the feline heart list at all. And yeah,
 I cry at work
 too. It isn't good...
 
 Try explaining to your boss that you aren't crying
 over your own
 cat...you are crying over your Internet friends' cat
 that you've never
 met (the friend or the cat).
 
 
 
 Kelley
 
 On 4/3/07, wendy wrote:
  Leah,
 
  In a twisted way, I am glad I'm not alone. Of
 course,
  in my own utopia, I would never wish those kinds
 of
  memories on anyone. You used the perfect
  term...agonizing. Prayers going out for peace for
 all
  of us.
 
  :)
  Wendy
 
  --- Wolf, Leah R. wrote:
 
   Wendy,
  
   You are not alone. It took two weeks for my
 Bubba
   to die from felv and
   watching him slip away inch by inch was
 agonizing.
   When I think of him, I
   have to force myself not to dwell on the
 experience
   or else I will break
   down all over again.
  
  
   Leah
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
   Behalf Of wendy
   Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 11:05 AM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: OT: Small meltdown
  
   Hey guys,
  
   Why is it that even a year and a half after
   Cricket's passing, I can burst
   into tears after having flashbacks of the night
 he
   died? To a logical
   person (being me), it sounds ridiculous and
   overdramatic.
   But the fact remains that when I allow myself to
   remember what happened with
   Cricket the night he died, and how horrible it
 was,
   it sends me straight
   into meltdown. I am at work for heaven's sake.
   Usually, when I think about
   Cricket, I don't think about that one day in his
   life. But it seems so
   unfair that he couldn't have a more peaceful
 death.
   I will never forget his
   suffering, even knowing that he is now at rest. 
 Why
   do some
   people's/animal's last days of their lives have
 to
   be filled with pain and
   suffering?
   I just don't understand it. I think maybe all
 the
   recent losses, and sadly
   there have been many, might be bringing my
 memories
   back, but maybe that's a
   good thing? Maybe we never really fully stop
   grieving, but every little
   meltdown we have allows us to heal a little
 more.
  
   Thanks for letting me ramble about my lack of
   understanding of the meaning
   of life.
   :)
   Wendy
  
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Re: To Nina: Re: What to do with feral cat attacking my cats

2007-04-05 Thread Gina WN
My Buddy was a street cat, skittish and scared (though probaby not feral) and 
he ended up being the sweetest cat I've ever had, and that was before we had 
his pom poms removed.  He was 15 pounds of pure muscle and had the neatest 
cheek pouches that the vet said he had because he was an adult tom cat when we 
rescued him.  He got a little pudgy after the neutering though.  He was my FIV+ 
boy.  
   
  It's been almost four and a half years since he crossed the Bridge and I 
still grieve for his gentle soul.  I always will.  Some street cats make the 
BEST house cats.  You just never know. :)
   
  Gina
   
  
Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Aww, so wonderful to hear about Nilla Belle, (pardon me Nilla for 
calling you a he :-) ). I love the success stories!

Ya know Wendy, so many of these street tough thugs turn into the 
sweetest couch potatoes once they are relieved of those bothersome pom 
poms. He may not be as nasty as he appears. Do you remember my FIV 
boy, Starman? He bit me so hard at first that it would not only 
puncture my skin, but left bruises around the bite site. He is now the 
fattest, happiest, most content lap cat you could imagine, (I'll send 
you a picture off list). His girlfriend is our tiny Pistol, she's all 
of 7lbs soaking wet and Star is pushing 20lb. She wanted nothing to do 
with him and his burly ways when he came to live with us, but he wore 
her down with his persistent and patient adoration and now they sleep 
and play together. He follows her around like some underpaid bodyguard, 
it's so cute. So, you never know what personality lurks under all that 
testosterone, fear and self preservation. 
Nina

wendy wrote:
 Thanks for asking about Nilla Belle. She's
 wonderful!!! I can't believe I am even saying that,
 but she is just the BEST dog. She is so smart, and
 loving, and walks like a trained showdog. We're
 blessed to have her. Thanks for all the rescue info. 
 This will help when approaching them for help.

 :)
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Re: Too much bad news

2007-04-05 Thread Gina WN
I am so sorry about Midnight.  
   
  Gina

Jennifer Madon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I hate to add to the bad news but I just want everyone to know that I 
lost Midnight over the weekend. He had started throwing up a lot on 
Thursday. He seemed a little slower than normal but he had no other 
symptoms. I woke up Sunday morning about 4 am to find him curled up 
beside me but he was gone. Thank you to everyone on this list. You 
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Re: Too much bad news

2007-04-05 Thread Gina WN
That's true Marilyn.  And often they know when it's time to visit.  My Buddy 
did and it comforted me beyond words.
   
  Gina

Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Midnight left this world where he felt the safest--right by your side. Know 
how much he adores you. Ask him to visit. He wants to but thinks he should 
wait until you are ready.






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From: Jennifer Madon 
To: 
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:29 AM
Subject: Too much bad news


I hate to add to the bad news but I just want everyone to know that I lost 
Midnight over the weekend. He had started throwing up a lot on Thursday. 
He seemed a little slower than normal but he had no other symptoms. I woke 
up Sunday morning about 4 am to find him curled up beside me but he was 
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Re: Update on Chief

2007-04-05 Thread Gina WN
Terrific news!
   
  Gina

TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  great news on both fronts!

(hm. have we mentioned lately how nice it is to have flight attendants who 
use their passes to help transport special-needs kitties?)

MC

  On 3/29/07, Stephanie E Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Well… My 
parents decided to keep Chief when it came right down to it. So, he's got a 
good, safe home as an only kitty. :D
   
  And, I am interviewing with the airlines to be a flight attendant!! I AM 
SO EXCITED!!! 
   
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Re: Good Bye Mama Kitty

2007-03-29 Thread Gina WN
I'm so sorry that Mama Kitty had to leave you.  You were a great mom to her.
   
  Gina

elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Mama Kitty,  You will forever rest in this yard that you loved so much.  
You are surrounded by roses.  I covered your grave with tulips and apple 
blossoms.  
   
  It hurts so much to say goodbye.  You will forever be alive in my heart.  I 
love you.
   
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Re: Hammy Please add to the CLS

2007-03-29 Thread Gina WN
You and Hammy are in my thoughts.
   
  Gina

Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,thank you for your good wishes and prayers for sweet little Hammy.He 
is now with all the Angel fur kids.
  Could you also put Lucinda in your prayers too? she is at Dr. Jens house 
possibly with some brain problems due to the felv.My boyfriend loves this 
beautiful orange tiger girl.Thank you all so much
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Re: Slinky - Please add to the CLS

2007-03-29 Thread Gina WN
Marissa,
   
  My heart aches for your loss of Slinky.
   
  Gina
  

Marissa Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all.  I guess I need to complete the updates on Slinky, huh?  
   
  Yes, he went to the bridge last night.  I was having second thoughts all day 
yesterday...he, of course, perked up a bit, sat in the window sill again 
(hadn't done that in ages), and was still drinking, eating, and breathing fine. 
 I even started to wonder if his nose looked pinker.
   
  But I decided to go to the vet appointment and ask her what she thought - and 
that all important question, what would you do if he were your kitty?  
   
  Right before we left I think I finally understood that it really was time.  
It occurred to me that on Sunday he was very cuddly with me and initiating some 
cuddle time on his own.  But yesterday he didn't want anything to do with me.  
And when we left the vet on Monday, someone said he'd tell me when it was time, 
and I remember thinking, I think he already has told me but I didn't want to 
believe it.  I think his spirit left on Sunday...I think all that cuddling was 
him saying goodbye and beginning to get ready for the journey.
   
  So we went to the vet and I asked her if she thought his nose looked pinker.  
She looked at his gums, etc. and assured me that they were not.  I was tempted 
to have her do another CBC, but that seemed like just adding to the torture 
he'd already been through.  Without my even asking, the vet said, If this were 
my cat, this is what I would be doing.  Not only is he not getting any better, 
but he's actually getting steadily worse...and he's just going to suffer if we 
wait much longer.  She of course pointed out that I had the option of waiting, 
but that seemed like it would just drag out the inevitable.  He was so weak the 
last couple days that he couldn't even get back on the bed once he'd gotten 
down.
   
  The vet explained everything in detail and even shaved some of his fur for me 
since I'd forgotten I wanted a sample (good cuz what she got was way better 
than anything I could've gotten with a scissors).  Then she gave him the 
tranquilizer (I think she did it quickly so I wouldn't have time to change my 
mind...knowing that was best for me and for Slinky).  She said it would take a 
few minutes for it to work, so they left and I just held him and cried and told 
him how much I loved him.  Thanked him for letting me share in his life and 
told him I was giving him the only gift I could at this point.  The room we 
were in had a beautiful painting of the bridge, so I showed it to him and told 
him that was where he was going.  
   
  They had put a sheep skin-like pad on the table and when they came back I 
laid him on that and put his head on his favorite pillow (he loved to knead on 
this sqush pillow I have).  She thought they might have to put a catheter in 
his front leg to get the needle in since his veins were so small, but she was 
able to do it in his back leg.  Once it was in, I just held him and cried and 
cried some more.  But I know he was in peace.
   
  He visited me this morning - as I was waking up I could hear the birds 
outside my window and I distinctly heard a meow (I remember thinking that I 
didn't know of a bird that meowed).  When it happened I got chills.  And when I 
woke up fully I realized that he was letting me know that he's happy and he 
loves me.  
   
  I'm actually doing much better than I expected to be.  After the vet 
appointment my friend took me out to dinner and then to ben and jerry's 
(self-medicating is always good!), which distracted me and that helped a lot.  
Of course when I got home I completely lost it, but I knew that would happen.  
I called dad and he was wondeful about telling me I did all the right things, 
that he loves me, and not to worry about paying all those bills back 'till some 
time in the future.  
   
  Today I relaxed in the morning and then went and got my hair cut (my stylist 
is dad's partner and the owner of the salon...so he has lots of experience 
with losing kitties) and did some shopping.  I got a stuffed kitty that looks 
just like Slinky, so he'll be my new sleeping buddy.  I thought I would lose it 
when I came home tonight, but I just choked up for a bit and really was okay.  
I know all the prayers and thoughts everyone is sending me are helping a ton!!! 
 I think half the population of the US is praying for me and checking on me!
   
  You guys have been absolutely amazing and having people to talk to who've 
been there and understand how this is has been an unbelievable help!  Thank you 
all so much for all your support!!!
   
  I know this is kinda long, but since you've all been reading so much about 
Slink, I thought you might want to know some of the details of his crossing.  
Thanks again for everything...I know I couldn't get through this without you!!
   
  Love to you and all your furkids!
   
  MJ

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Re: Looking for a good canned food

2007-03-24 Thread Gina WN
LOL My Pippin used to try to bury the Innova wet food!  
  

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  Try Shredded Friskies...Turkey and Cheese, Salmon and Cheese. 
  My cats devour this stuff and will begged for it.
   
  Friskies Prime Fillets
  Fancy Feast Medley
  Whiskas
   
  Buy a can of each so you can get an idea what the kitty will eat.
  I have bought the expensive food in the past and it was a waste of money they 
wouldn't eat it...tried to bury it!
  My Vets that are Felv/Fiv friendly say give what they will eat to get the 
something solid and water from the wetfood. 
  Too many changes in food isn't good for them due their digestive tract. So be 
careful.
   
  I too remember feeding my cats years ago Puss n Boots and Friskies in the big 
cans. 
  It was when there wasn't so many varieties as today but they were happy with 
it.
  Didn't have all the health problems either...makes ya wonder though.
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Re: Brady Add to CLS please

2007-03-23 Thread Gina WN
I'm very sorry about Brady :(
   
  Gina

Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
THis sweet handsome gray tiger boy won me over at Crashs,on Sunday I 
noticed he didn't look well and we lost him today to FIP.He was a shy boy but I 
helped get him to trust.THe power of Temptations treats. :) This one really 
hurts.Well they all do,I don't usually get too attached to the ones that have a 
chance at getting adopted but I really like this guy.He didn't have felv but 
could we add him to the list?THanks so much
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Re: Hammy

2007-03-23 Thread Gina WN
Sending prayers for sweet Hammy.
   
  Gina

Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all could you please send prayers and good vibes to one of our newest 
Sids kids,he is having a difficult time and is at Dr Jens house where her 11 
year old son is helping taking extra care of him.He is felv+.Thanks everyone.
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Re: Please add Ricky Rick to the CLS

2007-02-13 Thread Gina WN
I am so sorry for your loss of Ricky Rick.
   
  Gina

Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Fri Feb 9, 2007 Ricky Rick was helped to end his suffering
from lymphoma and FeLV...
Ricky was a big old black and white tux tom cat when he was
brought into the shelter... He tested pos but he was such a friendly
old fellow that they had to try and find him a home... He came to
live with me about 15 months ago and was very happy and quickly
became friends with the other cats... He had been stray for some time
and his coat was very shabby but with good food he soon became
such a handsome fellow... It wasn't long though before we noticed
his lymph nodes were swelling... He took his pred. and the progression
was very slow but then this last week he was peeing blood and not
swolling his food and it was time to let him go on
Rick had his own pillow right next to mine that he has slept on at night
for as long as I can remember and I miss not having him there... But then
my feral cat that I have been taming for 2 1/2 years and must sense that
this is a sad time has been much closer in the last few days and she may be
the one to take over that spot
We will miss our friendly old Ricky Rick.
Tad and Marie





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Re: Please add Luvy to CLS

2007-02-12 Thread Gina WN
Precious Luvy, though  your time was short on the earth, you lived a lifetime 
of love with your family.  My condolences go out to you Tad and Marie.
   
  Gina
   
  

Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Feb. 8, 2007 Luvy lost her short life to FeLV...
She was just 7 months old.. When she was about one week old
she and her brother were brought into the shelter with no mother..
I suppose she may have died from FeLV soon after giving new life...
A king rescue person bottle fed them and they were healthy playful
8 week old kittens ready for adoption and then they tested pos...
At 12 weeks old they came to live with me... I don't know if they had
been free to run around the house all the time before but they seemed
to enjoy it as much or more than any kittens I have known before...

The boy was neutered before leaving the shelter but I talked them into
waiting and let me do it here later after the stress of moving was over...
I took her in at 6 months and she seemed a little slow in getting back
to normal but 2 weeks later when we went in to have stitches out she seemed
fully recovered... I let the vet give both of them rabies shots at that 
time...
The boy was fine but she stopped eating on her own but took assist
feeding OK.. A couple days later she was having labored breathing
and we took her back to the vet... X-ray showed fluid in the lung
cavity and the vet could see cancer cells in the fluid,,, We agreed
she wasn't suffering but just fading and we brought her home to
finish her life... With a little assistance she went to her same favorite
places and purred when on my chest with her nose touching mine..
On Wed. night she refused to take any food and we knew the end was
near.. Early thur. morning she was still alive and snuggled at my feet
with 3 other big cats but a couple hours later she had passed on...

Her time with us seemed so very short but she was such a little luv bug
that she will remain in our memories for ever... We will miss you little 
Luvy...

Tad and Marie





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Re: Lucy and unsubscribing

2007-02-08 Thread Gina WN
Michelle, I've learned a lot from you and I really value your opinion.  I hope 
that you just take a break from the list mail and take time for yourself right 
now.  Please don't unsubscribe.
   
  Gina
  

Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Ditto, Michelle.   We all have different feelings and opinions -- and nobody 
is trying to tell you what to do.  What is right for one person isn't right for 
another.  One thing I like about the list is the way we play devil's advocate 
for one another -- sometimes asking hard questions.  Then whoever is on the 
receiving end can take what they want and leave the rest.   

Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't go Michelle, we 
all value your knowledge and input and want to be able to help you (whether by 
advice or just being an ear to hear) as you have helped so many of us.  You 
having Gray there to be a 2nd pair of eyes is a blessing for YOU.  Surely, you 
trust him to tell you if he thinks you're trying too hard to save Lucy.  HIS 
and YOUR opinions and knowledge of Lucy are the best that exist and you have 
gone through the deaths of animal friends together before.  And the making or 
not-making of the decision to assist.

That said, I certainly see that a break from the list could be helpful to you 
and your state of mind.  Would you be willing to just go No-Mail?

GLOW to you and your family for strength, clarity and peace.
   
Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito

My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his 
life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. 
- Anonymous   

  - Original Message 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2007 6:49:31 PM
Subject: Lucy and unsubscribing

  Since I last wrote, Lucy got up, climbed all 14 stairs to the upstairs, ate 
half a jar of baby food and a couple pieces of dry food, curled up on a cat 
bed, and is purring away as Gray pets her. When Gray poured the dry food for 
Patches, Lucy literally got up and ran over to it, trying to push Patched out 
of the way.
   
  I know she has FIP, or most likely does. I know there is no real cure and it 
will get her. But today does not seem to be the day, and I do not think it is 
selfish to decide that. Someone who can and wants to climb stairs, wants to eat 
(even if not a normal amount), wants company and pets, and can go running over 
to a bowl of food is, in my opinion, not asking to be killed.
   
  To whoever wrote that I should not do home euthanasia, I was not 
considering home euthanasia, I was considering, in an emergency if she gets in 
distress, tranquilizing her until a vet could come or we could get to a vet. i 
did that with Simon and he immediately slept and actually died in his sleep 
before we needed to. But it was not intended as euthanasia. I and several 
others on the list have also used oral valium to ease passings, and it has done 
so. I do not think this is irrational.
   
  I stopped reading posts after that and just deleted, to whoever wrote 
something in the subject line about allowing suffering.  Given that I had just 
come downstairs from Lucy's little trek and eating spree, it seemed too 
ridiculous to read.
   
  This list has been a godsend for me at times, and I have made friendships 
with a few of you that I hope to continue offline from the group.  But this 
group is not helping me right now and is actually upsetting me quite a bit. So 
I am unsubscribing.  Nina and Hideyo, I hope to stay in touch with you 
individually, and anyone else who actually wants to, and to share ideas and 
emotional support.  But I am done with the group.
   
  Michelle





  
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