Re: [Felvtalk] uveitis
- Original Message - From: "Jane Gannon" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] uveitis Hi Bob, I have had uveitis in two of my positive cats. One we gave metacam (many vets will not use this anymore as it can cause kidney disease) and neo poly dex opthalmic ointment. It did clear it up. The other one we gave the same ointment and a shot of depo medrol and this also cleared it up. This is an inflammation of the eye and must be treated with something to treat inflammation such as prednisone or metacam along with the ointment. Doing nothing is not the answer. Sometimes vets do have different opinions but you should pick the one you think is right. Or get a third opinionI feel very bad for your kitty as this is very painful. Jane - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] uveitis Amani, I am glad we hae you in the group! Amani Oakley wrote: Bob, I’d be giving the cortisone treatment a try, but because this problem is caused by the FeLV virus, you really have to go after the virus itself. Trying to fight the battle to save the eyes on their own, won’t be enough while the virus is still attacking the body. Try the Winstrol with prednisone and doxycycline, along with the corticol topical treatment. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: May-27-16 11:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] uveitis Wonder if anyone has has any success with treating Uveitis in FeLV cats. I've had my 10 mo. old guy to two different Vets...One prescribed tribple ABX with Corticosteroid which had no appreciable effect the other vet counseled against using Cortisones due to the risk of Corneal Ulcers Without treatment my guy is now losing his vision...he has blood in the Anterior Chamber in both eyes and Lens clouding in the right eye. It is getting VERY troubling when I get different opinions about something so important I'm having rather a difficult time sitting by and letting my guy go blind. The Literature all points to Corticosteroid Drops as the first line treatment but this is for the disease as it affects so called " normal " cats. Which is the lesser of evils with Cortisone Tx in this case..?? Currently following Amani's suggestion from a while ago and rinsing his eyes a few times a day with Contact Lens Solution to keep them from Gunking up but. He IS losing and none of the vets appear at all inclined to do further testing. Again it's like they are saying " Oh isn't it nice that you want to save this sweet FeLV Kitty but, really, don't try TOO hard" Bob Warwick NY ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] uveitis
Hi Bob, I have had uveitis in two of my positive cats. One we gave metacam (many vets will not use this anymore as it can cause kidney disease) and neo poly dex opthalmic ointment. It did clear it up. The other one we gave the same ointment and a shot of depo medrol and this also cleared it up. This is an inflammation of the eye and must be treated with something to treat inflammation such as prednisone or metacam along with the ointment. Doing nothing is not the answer. Sometimes vets do have different opinions but you should pick the one you think is right. Or get a third opinionI feel very bad for your kitty as this is very painful. Jane - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] uveitis Amani, I am glad we hae you in the group! Amani Oakley wrote: Bob, I’d be giving the cortisone treatment a try, but because this problem is caused by the FeLV virus, you really have to go after the virus itself. Trying to fight the battle to save the eyes on their own, won’t be enough while the virus is still attacking the body. Try the Winstrol with prednisone and doxycycline, along with the corticol topical treatment. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: May-27-16 11:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] uveitis Wonder if anyone has has any success with treating Uveitis in FeLV cats. I've had my 10 mo. old guy to two different Vets...One prescribed tribple ABX with Corticosteroid which had no appreciable effect the other vet counseled against using Cortisones due to the risk of Corneal Ulcers Without treatment my guy is now losing his vision...he has blood in the Anterior Chamber in both eyes and Lens clouding in the right eye. It is getting VERY troubling when I get different opinions about something so important I'm having rather a difficult time sitting by and letting my guy go blind. The Literature all points to Corticosteroid Drops as the first line treatment but this is for the disease as it affects so called " normal " cats. Which is the lesser of evils with Cortisone Tx in this case..?? Currently following Amani's suggestion from a while ago and rinsing his eyes a few times a day with Contact Lens Solution to keep them from Gunking up but. He IS losing and none of the vets appear at all inclined to do further testing. Again it's like they are saying " Oh isn't it nice that you want to save this sweet FeLV Kitty but, really, don't try TOO hard" Bob Warwick NY ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] doxy
Hi Amani. Thanks for the article. Sounds promising. Jane - Original Message - From: Amani Oakley To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doxy Hi Jane As I mentioned in my previous posts, I am aware that no antibiotic KILLS viruses. However, Doxycycline also interferes with RNA reproduction in ALL cells. In mammalian cells, we have two sites for RNA synthesis, and so when the Doxycycline blocks one of the sites, mammalian cells can still proceed with RNA synthesis. That isn't the case with bacterial, and other organisms like protozoa and mycoplasma. Doxycycline has been also found to block RNA synthesis in some viruses. For example, search online for the following article and you will see that scientific trials have shown that the Doxycycline (which is a tetracycline derivative) blocked the ability of the virus to enter cells and replicate. Inhibitory effect of doxycycline against dengue virus replication in vitro - Arch Virol. May 29, 2013 - "Doxycycline is an antibiotic derived from tetracycline that possesses antimicrobial and anti-inflammatory activities. Antiviral activity of doxycycline against dengue virus has been previously reported." ". . . It is efficiently used to treat some tick-borne infections and is also recommended as a first line therapy for sexually transmitted diseases as herpes simplex infections [caused by a virus]. Combining doxycycline with monocaprin provides an effective treatment for herpes labialis [another virus], significantly reducing time to healing and pain compared to moncaprin alone. Furthermore, antiviral activity of doxycycline has been reported against retroviruses, and a significant reduction in retrovirus titer was observed after incubation of infected cells with doxycycline. Previous studies have shown that doxycycline inhibits dengue virus plaque formation disrupting the conformational changes in the viral envelope that are necessary for viral entry . . . In this study, we determined the anti-dengue properties of doxycycline against four dengue virus serotypes in vitro. The results showed that doxycycline interfered with dengue virus protease and impaired virus binding to the host cells, leading to reduced viral replication in infected cells. Taken together, our results form a strong basis to warrant further experimental and clinical investigations towards reducing dengue morbidity by utilizing doxycycline and anti-inflammatory activities." With some careful digging, you will find references to the use of doxycycline (and other tetracyclines) to inhibit viral replication. I don't have more time today to find more of these articles for you, but they are there for the finding. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Gannon Sent: May-17-16 4:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] doxy Doxycycline ia an antibiotic for bacterial infections, not for viral infections. It works by interferring with the normal growth cycle of the bacteria preventing them from reproducing and allowing the body to fight off the infection. It is used against mycoplasma including mycoplasma haemofelis, whcih is a blood parasite that causes anemia and death in cats I have had a couple of cats die from it and a couple that I have saved. This disease is transmitted by fleas so it is important to use flea products on our cats. Doxy should be given with food or on a full stomach to reduce chance of vomiting. It is suggested that you give a syringe of water after pilling because it is possible for the tablets to become stuck in the esophagus which can cause irritaftion or scarring and can make it difficult for your cat to swallow. I crush it and mix it with water and syringe it. In the book "Secrets of a vet tech-the guide to low cost pet care when the cupboard is bare" by J C Farris, she tells that you can use fish meds on cats and purchase them on line or in some pet stores without a script This includes doxy (fish doxy), amoxicillan (fish mox), metronidazole (fish zole), clindamycin (fish cin), cephalexen (fish flex), ciprofloxacin (fish flox) and others. This is the same exact medication for dogs and cats. She has alot of other great ideas in this book. Dosages for these medications for cats can be found on line. I just had my 5 yr old positive, Tootsie, stop eating and drinking. She had vomited for a couple of days before. She had no fever and no symptoms of upper respiratory so I didn't want to start antibiotics. I tried everytlhing to get her to eat. Then I remembered pepcid ac was prescribed by a vet years ago for another cat (not a positive) with the same symptoms, so I tried it on Tootsie. Four days later she is looking for food and eating everything I give her. This is also u
Re: [Felvtalk] doxy
Hi Margo You do not mix the fish drugs with water unless you are using them for fish. For cats, you would use the pill form. Just trying to help. thanks for the article on doxy. Jane - Original Message - From: Amani Oakley To: Margo ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doxy Hi Margo – I just sent a far more detailed email before I saw yours. It references a scientific study on this very issue – use of doxycycline in dengue fever, but also references use of it in other viral infections caused by herpes. As I mentioned in my earlier emails, I was well aware that antibiotics obviously don’t usually work on viruses, but the tetracyclines are special. They don’t KILL viruses, but instead, help to block their replication. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo Sent: May-17-16 5:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doxy Actually, you're both right. Doxy is an antibiotic, but also has properties that prevent replication of the virus that cause dengue fever, and is being used in some trials for HIV. So, anti-bacterial, anti-inflammatory and now possibly anti-viral. You might find this interesting; http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9922979 I've used the "fish drugs" in a pinch, but they need to be made into a liquid to get correct distribution and dosage, and I do better with pills/capsules. Plus, I don't quite trust them . Just my paranoia, I know people who have used them successfully many times. HTH, Margo -Original Message- From: Jane Gannon Sent: May 17, 2016 4:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] doxy Doxycycline ia an antibiotic for bacterial infections, not for viral infections. It works by interferring with the normal growth cycle of the bacteria preventing them from reproducing and allowing the body to fight off the infection. It is used against mycoplasma including mycoplasma haemofelis, whcih is a blood parasite that causes anemia and death in cats I have had a couple of cats die from it and a couple that I have saved. This disease is transmitted by fleas so it is important to use flea products on our cats. Doxy should be given with food or on a full stomach to reduce chance of vomiting. It is suggested that you give a syringe of water after pilling because it is possible for the tablets to become stuck in the esophagus which can cause irritaftion or scarring and can make it difficult for your cat to swallow. I crush it and mix it with water and syringe it. In the book "Secrets of a vet tech-the guide to low cost pet care when the cupboard is bare" by J C Farris, she tells that you can use fish meds on cats and purchase them on line or in some pet stores without a script This includes doxy (fish doxy), amoxicillan (fish mox), metronidazole (fish zole), clindamycin (fish cin), cephalexen (fish flex), ciprofloxacin (fish flox) and others. This is the same exact medication for dogs and cats. She has alot of other great ideas in this book. Dosages for these medications for cats can be found on line. I just had my 5 yr old positive, Tootsie, stop eating and drinking. She had vomited for a couple of days before. She had no fever and no symptoms of upper respiratory so I didn't want to start antibiotics. I tried everytlhing to get her to eat. Then I remembered pepcid ac was prescribed by a vet years ago for another cat (not a positive) with the same symptoms, so I tried it on Tootsie. Four days later she is looking for food and eating everything I give her. This is also used for kidney cats that loose their appetite. Now I am going to try pepcid ac on my older positive cat, Finn, who is recovering from a seizure and temporary blindness. She is not eating well and I remember before she had her seizure she had vomited for a couple of days and was already not eating well. I will let you know if it works. Jane Virus-free. www.avast.com -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] doxy
Doxycycline ia an antibiotic for bacterial infections, not for viral infections. It works by interferring with the normal growth cycle of the bacteria preventing them from reproducing and allowing the body to fight off the infection. It is used against mycoplasma including mycoplasma haemofelis, whcih is a blood parasite that causes anemia and death in cats I have had a couple of cats die from it and a couple that I have saved. This disease is transmitted by fleas so it is important to use flea products on our cats. Doxy should be given with food or on a full stomach to reduce chance of vomiting. It is suggested that you give a syringe of water after pilling because it is possible for the tablets to become stuck in the esophagus which can cause irritaftion or scarring and can make it difficult for your cat to swallow. I crush it and mix it with water and syringe it. In the book "Secrets of a vet tech-the guide to low cost pet care when the cupboard is bare" by J C Farris, she tells that you can use fish meds on cats and purchase them on line or in some pet stores without a script This includes doxy (fish doxy), amoxicillan (fish mox), metronidazole (fish zole), clindamycin (fish cin), cephalexen (fish flex), ciprofloxacin (fish flox) and others. This is the same exact medication for dogs and cats. She has alot of other great ideas in this book. Dosages for these medications for cats can be found on line. I just had my 5 yr old positive, Tootsie, stop eating and drinking. She had vomited for a couple of days before. She had no fever and no symptoms of upper respiratory so I didn't want to start antibiotics. I tried everytlhing to get her to eat. Then I remembered pepcid ac was prescribed by a vet years ago for another cat (not a positive) with the same symptoms, so I tried it on Tootsie. Four days later she is looking for food and eating everything I give her. This is also used for kidney cats that loose their appetite. Now I am going to try pepcid ac on my older positive cat, Finn, who is recovering from a seizure and temporary blindness. She is not eating well and I remember before she had her seizure she had vomited for a couple of days and was already not eating well. I will let you know if it works. Jane --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
It is possible he has uveitis which is inflamation of the eye. It is very serious and painful, can cause blindness, and is treated with eye ointment with steroids. Research it on line, you can find pictures. The eyeball can even become swollen and bulge. It can have a brownish spot on it. Cloudiness is probably an eye ulcer. I have had 2 positives that have had this and it will clear up with treatment but it can come back. They were put on metacam for the pain and also for the inflamation along with an ointment containing cortisone. It is serious. Follow instructions for how often to do the ointment. Jane - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Recently, I have been putting coconut oil on a swab and jut dabbing it in the corner of my eye when it itches. My cats eat it all the time so it shouldn't hurt to put a small amount in your cats eye. would oothe it. Amani Oakley wrote: Hi Bob As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your little boy's eye, I can only suggest a more general approach. I have had good results with rinsing a cat's eyes with daily contact lens solution. The solution is mostly just saline but it usually contains very small amounts of disinfectants so as to disinfect contact lenses but is safe to put into your eye. I will rinse a cat's eyes with the contact lens solution multiple times a day if I can. This often helps to soothe the eye and address some infections. You can alternate this with the antibiotic/steroid cream you were provided. If it is burst capillaries, then it may be that his platelet count is low and there may be some bleeding. The cortisone in the eye cream may help reduce any inflammation and that may help. Good idea to get blood work done and get a baseline, and at the risk of sounding like endless looped recording, after that, I would try the Winstrol/Doxycycline treatment, along with Prednisone if the results are not all within reference ranges. Be sure to ask for a reticulocyte count to be done, which will help determine if any anemia you may find is regenerative or non-regenerative. At the VERY least, keep them both on Doxycycline, which interferes with viral reproduction and can hopefully slow down or stop the advancement of the FeLV virus. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: May-16-16 2:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol I'm new to the list and trying to catch up with some of the threads...particularly with regard to Winstrol/Doxy combination... Are any of you actually using this combination currently??... If so, are you administering it Sub Q, IM or orally?? Also wondering if the pushback from vets with regard to prescribing it has to do with the fact that it is one of the more popular anabolics used by body builders and athletes?? Also.. anyone have any information re: Eye Problems in FeLV+ Kitties ( other than the frequently occurring sequlae to Herpes Virus infection) I recently adopted 2 FeLV+ youngsters ( 7 and 9 months) from the shelter where I volunteer ( couldn't stand the idea of their living their lives in isolation in a 3x3 enclosure).. I bit off a LOT more than I anticipated as one has not been fully well since the day I brought him home but, until recently, he was eating Heartily and playing mightily despite a chronic URI Last week he developed some cloudiness in his L eye lenses and what appear to be burst capillaries The Vet ( I allowed the shelter to pay for this particular visit as I will go broke if I bring him as often as I might be inclined the cats are uninsurable by all the pet insurance companies I contacted) that vet offered little in the way of DX...just said " sometimes this happens to FeLV+ cats and prescribed Triple Antibiotic Ocular Ointment with Cortisone and Amoxi 2x daily ( running 103.2 temp). Frankly I think the guy hardly even looked at my guy and I am going to have to take him elsewhere on my own dime again to get a real DX and Tx suggestions.( if I go on the shelters dime he is presented as a foster and only the shelter are privy to detailed explanations and even then very little as they get a very discounted rate) This is my first experience with FeLV and I have been reading vocaciously I am not one who is going to employ heroic measures to keep my guys alive unless they won't cause ANY discomfort to them... I'm already providing them a much better life than they might have had and a LOT more love and attention than they ever would have known. Still his eye looks " angry " and I have no way to tell if it is causing him pain.. Making an appt. to have blood work done to get a baseline on his HCT,WBC's and Platelets Gums appear to still be red and his paw pads have not gotten lighte
[Felvtalk] tigger
Hi Ardy. I have not been on line lately and I was very sad to hear that Tigger has gone to cat heaven. He sounded like a really cool cat, lots of personality and mischevious. I love those kind, they always keep you smiling. You did your best to help him. I had 12 cats diagnosed positive about a year and a half ago and since that time I have lost 7. Two just died in April, one had FIP and the other just layed down and died. Both were unexpected, I only saw signs something was off for about a week. I have 2 more that started problems last week. One is 16 and had a seizure, was blind for a day, and now is not eating well. She also has a heart condition. I am waiting to see what happens. The other one is not eating much and is not herself. I just had her to the vet 2 weeks ago for blood work and it was not too bad. We talked about putting her and my other 5 year old on Winstrol and I am waiting for the vet to get back to me with his plan. My 13 year old positive has a heart murmur and we are thinking of not putting him on Winstrol because it says to use with caution in cats with heart conditions. His blood work is not too bad either although he has gotten thin even though his appetite is good. And my other positive also has FIV and is starting to have UTI's but is fat and seems ok at this time. If winstrol increases appetites, that would not be good for him. I did not do blood work on him yet and am not planning to put him on Winstrol at this time. I bought a childrens book titled Cat Heaven that I read every time I loose a cat and it makes me feel a little bit better. Makes me smile and cry. I do belive animals go to heaven and Pope Francis says they do. I need to believe this. Jane --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] The Brock Star has left the building
I am very sorry, he was so lucky to have you. Jane - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Brock Star has left the building I am so sorry for your loss. I have been there and know words do not ease the pain, only time. My prayers are with you. Ardy Robertson wrote: Marsha, I am so very sorry for your loss. Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marsha Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 5:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] The Brock Star has left the building Brock left this earthly plane this afternoon. This morning he didn't get out of the lounge chair to greet me, refused his heart pills again, and his third eyelids were showing. He did eat all the food I brought him though - he licked off the spoon as I held it up in front of him on the lounge chair. We did half, then the other half later. I visited with him a lot. He spent most of his time in his lounge chair on his fleece blanket, but once he got down and took a short stroll through his domain. Usually I am in the lounge chair, with Brock on my lap. Such a tired boy; his bone marrow was no longer working as it should - low RBC, WBC, and platelets, and not making new. He had Feline Leukemia Virus, survived a year with Restrictive Cardiomyopathy & CHF, and just recently developed lymphoma. So not fair to such a sweet and handsome boy. He received a sedative first and we spent a half hour or 45 minutes together. His paw rested on my hand. As he relaxed, he ever so lightly made biscuits on my hand. He even did his elevator butt routine, but laying down instead of standing up. He was only with me a year and a half, but he had so much love to give out during that time, that there is now another permanent scar on my heart. Along with too many others that are still somewhat fresh. Dearest Brock, visit me soon in my dreams. I left the patio lights on for your spirit to find the way back to Fort Shappell. Marsha ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] winstrol
Hi Ardy, I have not been receiving emails since March. How has the winstrol been working for your cat? Jane --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER
Hi Ardy, Thank you so much for the info. Keep us all informed about how things go for your cat. I would also be interested in the liquid. How much do you give and how often. Also how much does it cost? Did you have bloodwork done on your cat first. How long can you keep your cat on this? Has your vet used this drug before and is he familiar with side effects, etc. What is the plan for your cat. Thank you so much for finding this. I have 7 cats with felv but there is only one that I am concerned about at this time. He is eating, but he has an upper respiratory right now that I am treating with antibiotics and he has lost alot of weight. He just seems more quiet lately. His last hematicrit was 19. I am going to get in touch with my vet asap. Thanks again and good luck with Tigger! Jane - Original Message - From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Hi Jane, I am getting my Winstrol tomorrow, from Diamond Back Drugs in Arizona. Their website is www.diamondbackdrugs.com and all you have to do is have your vet go to their website and either fill out the RX form on there or call them. They compound the drug in their lab, and call you for delivery information and to get your payment by card. They told me their facility is extremely sterile, and they are sending it to me by priority mail. I talked to them on Wednesday, and they shipped it out Saturday. It is supposed to arrive tomorrow morning. They make it in liquid, chewable tablets or capsules. I am getting salmon flavor liquid. Hope this helps! Thank you, Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Gannon Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 8:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Hi Ardy, Could you tell me again where we may be able to get Winstrol in the US. My computer deletes emails after I read them even when I don't want it to and your email got deleted before I made a copy. Thanks, Jane - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Harley had a uti with sturvite crystals. I first cought on to it when I noticed that when he passed urine, there were only small lumps (silver dollar size). took him to vet and he gave covenia, but no help. Then started a dropper full of Bragg's raw vinegar in each water foun tain every day. We ahve had on problems since then. I aso had a bought and started myself on cranberry and Bragg's. now no momre problem. only one thing to watch out for, if he starts urinating too much, cut cranberry down or out, it irritates the bladder and causes incontinence3. Ardy Robertson wrote: Hello everyone, I haven't commented on Tigger for a while, and now I have some questions so I am seeking advice. My 5-1/2 year old male kitty - Tigger - has FeLV and last fall had a serious bout of fevers, weight loss, dehydration and all of that..he pulled through with syringe feedings, fluids, Convenia (14-day antibiotic) shots, several series of "Interferon" along with lots of prayers and love. He returned to eating, drinking, etc. and was doing fine, playing - nearly back to normal. He later had a blown out anal gland from constipation, which was remedied with pumpkin in his diet, along with antibiotic site injections. Bowel/bladder habits returned to normal and he healed. Then, a re-test in December confirmed that he is still FeLV positive, but at that time symptom free. Two weeks ago he seemed to be in pain, a bit feverish and not eating much. It turned out he had a "raging" urinary tract infection. I feel very bad that I did not know it. Two more Convenia shots, urinalysis with culture etc., x-ray to see if there were stones was negative, however I believe they said he has crystals - of magnesium and a couple other things. We switched him to Hills prescription food - C/D for urinary tract health, and surprisingly he likes it. I also got him a water fountain which encourages him to drink more water. However after two weeks and all of that he is still in some pain - they had given him Buprenorphine for the pain and that does take it away for about 18 hours (actually makes him a bit loopy!!). Now I have it in a bottle to give as needed, so I cut the dose in thirds and only give when necessary. When he is pain free he eats, otherwise, not so much. His healthy weight was a little over 11 lbs., and he had gained back to 10.7 lbs. Two weeks ago at the vet he was 10.2 and now he is 9.5 lbs. They are suggesting a Convenia shot every two weeks for a while and pain meds as needed. The pain seems to be brought on by eating/drinking, or by jumping down from something. Amani - if you are reading...do you feel this is the time to ask for Winstrol? They say the UTI is over with, urine is fine, but that i
Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER
Hi Ardy, Could you tell me again where we may be able to get Winstrol in the US. My computer deletes emails after I read them even when I don't want it to and your email got deleted before I made a copy. Thanks, Jane - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2016 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Harley had a uti with sturvite crystals. I first cought on to it when I noticed that when he passed urine, there were only small lumps (silver dollar size). took him to vet and he gave covenia, but no help. Then started a dropper full of Bragg's raw vinegar in each water foun tain every day. We ahve had on problems since then. I aso had a bought and started myself on cranberry and Bragg's. now no momre problem. only one thing to watch out for, if he starts urinating too much, cut cranberry down or out, it irritates the bladder and causes incontinence3. Ardy Robertson wrote: Hello everyone, I haven't commented on Tigger for a while, and now I have some questions so I am seeking advice. My 5-1/2 year old male kitty - Tigger - has FeLV and last fall had a serious bout of fevers, weight loss, dehydration and all of that..he pulled through with syringe feedings, fluids, Convenia (14-day antibiotic) shots, several series of "Interferon" along with lots of prayers and love. He returned to eating, drinking, etc. and was doing fine, playing - nearly back to normal. He later had a blown out anal gland from constipation, which was remedied with pumpkin in his diet, along with antibiotic site injections. Bowel/bladder habits returned to normal and he healed. Then, a re-test in December confirmed that he is still FeLV positive, but at that time symptom free. Two weeks ago he seemed to be in pain, a bit feverish and not eating much. It turned out he had a "raging" urinary tract infection. I feel very bad that I did not know it. Two more Convenia shots, urinalysis with culture etc., x-ray to see if there were stones was negative, however I believe they said he has crystals - of magnesium and a couple other things. We switched him to Hills prescription food - C/D for urinary tract health, and surprisingly he likes it. I also got him a water fountain which encourages him to drink more water. However after two weeks and all of that he is still in some pain - they had given him Buprenorphine for the pain and that does take it away for about 18 hours (actually makes him a bit loopy!!). Now I have it in a bottle to give as needed, so I cut the dose in thirds and only give when necessary. When he is pain free he eats, otherwise, not so much. His healthy weight was a little over 11 lbs., and he had gained back to 10.7 lbs. Two weeks ago at the vet he was 10.2 and now he is 9.5 lbs. They are suggesting a Convenia shot every two weeks for a while and pain meds as needed. The pain seems to be brought on by eating/drinking, or by jumping down from something. Amani - if you are reading...do you feel this is the time to ask for Winstrol? They say the UTI is over with, urine is fine, but that it is the Lukemia that is making him feel like this. One of the vets there is a vet chiropractor and she gave him a spinal manipulation which seemed to keep the pain at bay for over 24 hours. One of my questions is - what can I give him for pro-biotics? I bought some Vetri-Science UT Strength Feline treats that have pro-biotics in them, and he will not eat them. I even tried chopping them to bits and putting with his fish oil and he refuses. I don't want to force feed these to him. He hates yogurt but I could syringe a little of it if necessary. Any ideas are appreciated!! Thank you, Ardy Robertson Osseo, Wisconsin ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER
Hi Ardy, I would be interested to know where your vet gets the Winstrol in the US. My vet in NY said it is not available in the US. Thanks, Jane - Original Message - From: Amani Oakley To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, March 07, 2016 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Do a full haematology panel (including the reticulocyte count) and do liver enzymes (biochemistry). Ask for all your cat's results to date. If you let me know what they are, I can decipher them for you. You will probably see are reduction in red cells and haematocrit results, and you may see a reduction in platelets and white cells. FeLV can attack any or all of the three cell lines (red cells, white cells or platelets). The problem is that it shuts down the bone marrow where precursors of these cells are produced. Winstrol turns back on the bone marrow's production of these cells, so you will hopefully see an increase in any low levels in these results (most likely the red cells and haematocrit results). When the bone marrow starts to produce these cells again, you will also see a rise in the reticulocyte count (which is also a reflection of the level of activity in the bone marrow). With respect to the liver enzymes, if your vet is not firmly working with you, expect that he/she will insist that you stop the Winstrol when the enzymes rise. RESIST. You've got to let the Winstrol work and it takes a long time. The liver enzymes will go up but will come down after Winstrol is discontinued and the more important thing is to reverse the FeLV crisis. If you think the vet will not listen to you and leave your cat on the Winstrol, then don't ask for the liver enzymes. After a few weeks on Winstrol or perhaps a month, run the lab tests again to see if you are getting a response. However, I would be surprised if you wouldn't already see a difference in your cat's eating, playing and overall wellbeing. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: March-08-16 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER What type of blood work would you suggest I ask for? They don't tell me much about his red or white blood cells. Thank you, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 9:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER The Winstrol will boost his appetite and you won't need to give him anything else. The Winstrol works very very well on the bone marrow. If it were me, I wouldn't waste any more time getting him on the Winstrol. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: March-07-16 10:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Thanks Amani, I will call the vet tomorrow and ask if they will get some for me. Some time ago, the other vet in this practice said they would, if other options failed. I am just so worried that his Leukemia has spread to his bones. They also did not want to keep him on the appetite stimulant unless he really needed it. Thank you, Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Sunday, March 6, 2016 1:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Ardy I would definitely try the Winstrol now. Get bloodwork if you can, beforehand, so you can compare it afterwards, to gauge if the Winstrol is working. I have had others online tell me that when they started the Winstrol, they got an immediate and marked improvement both physically and in the blood results. If it were me, I would be trying the Winstrol now to see if Tigger is one of the cats which respond well to it. Please let us know how things progress and I am keeping my fingers crossed for you and Tigger. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: March-06-16 11:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] TIGGER Hello everyone, I haven't commented on Tigger for a while, and now I have some questions so I am seeking advice. My 5-1/2 year old male kitty - Tigger - has FeLV and last fall had a serious bout of fevers, weight loss, dehydration and all of that..he pulled through with syringe feedings, fluids, Convenia (14-day antibiotic) shots, several series of "Interferon" along with lots of prayers and love. He returned to eating, drinking, etc. and was doing fine, playing - nearly back to normal. He later had a blown out anal gland from constipation, which was remedied with pumpkin in his diet, along with antibiotic site injections. Bowel/bladder habits returned to normal and he healed. Then, a re-test in December confirmed that he is still F
[Felvtalk] winstrol
I live in NY and my vet says he can not find where to get Winstrol in the US. Also, he can not find any info about the drug on the Vetinary Information Network (VIN) that he uses. He is familiar with the drug and said it was used years ago. In fact, he said vet clinics had to stop stocking it because people were breaking in and stealing it. He said horse people who were not even clients would come to the clinic to try and buy it. He said he would try and get it for me if I wanted to try it. But he can't answer any of my questions about side effects or if it is safe for a cat with a heart condition or who is on depo medrol. So far all my positives have developed other problems that they had to be put to sleep for, not anemia. I have 6 positive cats left, I am going to euthanise my 3yr old today who has FIP. Also, one had a seizure last week, and another had uveitis. Has anyone else had any of these problems. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
I did not mean that I found research or case studies on the drug, I meant that I searched the web for info about the drug for animals. I found that it should be used with caution in animals with heart disease and that it can cause severe liver disease in cats, which we already knew. My vet researches on a site where he can not only learn about the drug but if any other vets have tried it for felv+ cats. He did this for a drug I wanted to try on my stomatitis cats and although some vets (dentists) did not believe in the drug, we went ahead and used it and it did help my 2 cats. He is very open to working with me as I too have a house of misfit cats. All drugs have side effects and not all people or animals react the same way. But it is necessary to know what they are. - Original Message - From: "Amani Oakley" To: Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Hi Jane I would be interested in knowing which research you have found. I have not located the research you reference. The only references to any link between Winstrol and heart issues which I have located, is not supported by any actual research nor even any case studies. I found suggestions linking Winstrol and heart issues in humans, but again, when examined closer, commentators have noted that again, there is no scientific support for the suggestion. The suggestion is made in connection with athletes who die suddenly from cardiac issues, but when looked at with any degree of care, several obvious things emerge: the athlete is on a cocktail of dozens of medication and the athlete is taking the medications at hundreds or thousands of times greater doses than recommended. It has taken me months and months of research to dig deep enough to get to this stage. What I seem to find, repeatedly, is that it is very easy to find a list of suggested concerns about Winstrol, but there is no s cientific support that I am able to find, that supports these listed concerns - and in fact, the opposite. Despite the fact that athletes regularly abuse Winstrol by injecting it or orally taking it at many, many times therapeutic dosage levels, there are almost no reports of adverse events with the Winstrol. As one article put it, it is the reason that professional athletes entirely ignore scientific warnings about Winstrol and the other performance-enhancing steroids. The article indicated that athletes saw scientists proven wrong twice: first, scientists said that the drugs were not effective, whereas the athletes knew otherwise, and virtually all spheres of professional athletics have a good proportion, if not the majority of athletes using these steroids to become faster, stronger, more resilient and to heal faster; second, scientists warned of the danger of these steroids, when athletes were aware of the unbelievably high doses they were using, with little or no advers e effects. How you want to proceed is up to you, but I suggest that if you actually want to try the Winstrol, asking your vet to do research will get you absolutely nowhere. I would expect the vet to encounter the reported concerns that seem to be repeated verbatim from site to site, with no references. I doubt most vets would go further, given what appears to be a high reluctance to use Winstrol - a reluctance which vets have told me stems from a report years back that Winstrol could cause liver damage. I'll leave it at that. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Gannon Sent: November-22-15 12:19 PM To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol I am going to make an appointment to take my positives to see my vet. I would like them to have a physical and a hematicrit done. My reasearch on winstrol says it should be used with caution in older pets with heart problems. Grayson is 12 and has a heart murmur. I would like my vet to research this on his vet site and help me to make a decision. I also have three 4 year old positives too. We have been trying to figure out when we may have gotten this disease in our house and we think it may have been 2013. Most cats don't live beyond 4 years after getting this. If your cat lived for 7 years that is amazing. -- Original Message - From: "Margo" To: Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 3:22 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Reading up on it will likely just reinforce his position. Literature does not support it's use for this, and many Vets are simply not going to go "off-label". I have often had to work three Vets at one time, for just this reason. Some would support one thing, some another... Margo -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Nov 20, 2015 4:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, felineres...@frontier.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Maybe if he bothe
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I am going to make an appointment to take my positives to see my vet. I would like them to have a physical and a hematicrit done. My reasearch on winstrol says it should be used with caution in older pets with heart problems. Grayson is 12 and has a heart murmur. I would like my vet to research this on his vet site and help me to make a decision. I also have three 4 year old positives too. We have been trying to figure out when we may have gotten this disease in our house and we think it may have been 2013. Most cats don't live beyond 4 years after getting this. If your cat lived for 7 years that is amazing. -- Original Message - From: "Margo" To: Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 3:22 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Reading up on it will likely just reinforce his position. Literature does not support it's use for this, and many Vets are simply not going to go "off-label". I have often had to work three Vets at one time, for just this reason. Some would support one thing, some another... Margo -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Nov 20, 2015 4:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, felineres...@frontier.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Maybe if he bothered to read up on it and learn how good it is, he might change his tune, but some people never learn. Lorrie wrote: You are fortunate, my vet absolutely refuses prescribe it for me, and acted like it was a bad drug to use. On 11-20, Amani Oakley wrote: > >I never asked my vet, but I know she is quite comfortable with me > using >Winstrol now for all kinds of conditions. I do know that at the > outset, >I was the only client of the clinic getting Winstrol. It was always > a >special order. But after a while, I started noticing that the > Winstrol >sitting on the counter was not for me but for other clients, so I > must >assume that she is prescribing it for other clients. > > >Amani > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Do I just keep him on this indefinetely? Do I have to keep having his blood tested, how often? How long did this help your cat? Do you still have this cat? - Original Message - From: Amani Oakley To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes Hi Jane Speak with your vet. He probably uses a compounding pharmacy for other types of medication. This is where my vet gets Winstrol. Our vet can get the Winstrol in 2 strengths: 2 mg and 1 mg tablets. They are hard to cut in half, but for a long time, that is what I had to do since originally the compounding pharmacy only had the 2 mg size tablets. The tablets are very small and powdery when split, and dissolve very quickly with very little moisture. Therefore, it made life a lot easier when the compounding pharmacy started providing 1 mg sized tablets. If you can only get 2 mg tablets, you also have the option of just giving them once a day, but I think it is better to give 1 mg, 2 times a day. I have no idea where you are located or how big the compounding pharmacy is that my vet uses, but it is called Chiron. (I’m in Ontario, Canada, and I think this compounding pharmacy is located close to Guelph Ontario, near the vet college there). Definitely start your cat on the Winstrol as soon as possible. I have also found Winstrol helpful in a cat I highly suspected of having FIP. She is fine now. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Gannon Sent: November-17-15 11:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes I have had the worst nightmare happen to me. I have a large cat family, I used to work at a cat rescue organization and I also help any cats that show up at my door. Last year one of my two outdoor cats started to loose weight. He was 12 so I thought maybe kidney or hyperthyroid. He started having anisocoria (one pupil lager than the other) and then I noticed 3 other cats with the same thing. I researched online and found that it can happen to FELV+ cats. So I took them all to the vet and found out they were positive. I then took the rest of my cat family and found out I had a total of 10 positives and 12 negatives. I vacinated the negatives and am letting them all live together. Since that time I have lost 5. Two older ones actually died from kidney disease, I had to euthanise my son's 2 two year olds cats, one developed FIP and the other ended up getting neurological problems until he could no longer walk. I euthanised one that was having difficulty breathing and was no longer eating. So I searched for a group that was going through the same thing so maybe I could learn about what can be done. Grayson, who is positive, is now loosing weight. He is 12 so I hoped maybe kidney or hyperthyroid so I had his blood tested and he does not have either. He is starting to have the sylmptoms of FELV. His hematocrit is 19 and he also has an abcess on his face that doesn't want to heal. He is acting like his old self and eating well. I know my vet would not have a problem using winstrol, he has always worked with me. Where would he get it from? Should I start it now before he gets worse. - Original Message - From: kat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 5:22 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes Maya - I am so sorry for your loss. Kat (Mew Jersey) Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 at 7:59 AM From: "Maya D'Alessio" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes Merlot left us yesterday morning. Thank you to everyone for your support over the month, it has been incredible. On Nov 17, 2015 12:48 AM, wrote: They sense our love and concern. I often bring a sick furbaby on my bed and stay awake all night because I am afraid they will get worse and I will not know in time to do something for them. People think I am nuts, but I cannot not be concerned. Ardy Robertson wrote: > I think when you really love your cat, you are inclined to observe every > little thing and try to understand how they are feeling based on their > actions/behavior. That gives you the insight into knowing what works and > what does not. They may have the book training, but nothing replaces loving > and observing.. and of course the love is returned. Our Tigger, when he > was at his sickest and we thought he would not make it through the night, > dragged himself into our bedroom during the night and could not get up on > the bed by any means, but laid on the floor on my hubby's side where he felt > safer being near his "mommy and daddy". (call me Cookoo) > > > -Original Messa
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I have had the worst nightmare happen to me. I have a large cat family, I used to work at a cat rescue organization and I also help any cats that show up at my door. Last year one of my two outdoor cats started to loose weight. He was 12 so I thought maybe kidney or hyperthyroid. He started having anisocoria (one pupil lager than the other) and then I noticed 3 other cats with the same thing. I researched online and found that it can happen to FELV+ cats. So I took them all to the vet and found out they were positive. I then took the rest of my cat family and found out I had a total of 10 positives and 12 negatives. I vacinated the negatives and am letting them all live together. Since that time I have lost 5. Two older ones actually died from kidney disease, I had to euthanise my son's 2 two year olds cats, one developed FIP and the other ended up getting neurological problems until he could no longer walk. I euthanised one that was having difficulty breathing and was no longer eating. So I searched for a group that was going through the same thing so maybe I could learn about what can be done. Grayson, who is positive, is now loosing weight. He is 12 so I hoped maybe kidney or hyperthyroid so I had his blood tested and he does not have either. He is starting to have the sylmptoms of FELV. His hematocrit is 19 and he also has an abcess on his face that doesn't want to heal. He is acting like his old self and eating well. I know my vet would not have a problem using winstrol, he has always worked with me. Where would he get it from? Should I start it now before he gets worse. - Original Message - From: kat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 5:22 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes Maya - I am so sorry for your loss. Kat (Mew Jersey) Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 at 7:59 AM From: "Maya D'Alessio" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes Merlot left us yesterday morning. Thank you to everyone for your support over the month, it has been incredible. On Nov 17, 2015 12:48 AM, wrote: They sense our love and concern. I often bring a sick furbaby on my bed and stay awake all night because I am afraid they will get worse and I will not know in time to do something for them. People think I am nuts, but I cannot not be concerned. Ardy Robertson wrote: > I think when you really love your cat, you are inclined to observe every > little thing and try to understand how they are feeling based on their > actions/behavior. That gives you the insight into knowing what works and > what does not. They may have the book training, but nothing replaces loving > and observing.. and of course the love is returned. Our Tigger, when he > was at his sickest and we thought he would not make it through the night, > dragged himself into our bedroom during the night and could not get up on > the bed by any means, but laid on the floor on my hubby's side where he felt > safer being near his "mommy and daddy". (call me Cookoo) > > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Lorrie > Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 9:02 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes > > You got that right! I can tell they hate it that I am so knowledable about > cats, as it shows them up. Experience is the greatest teacher. > > Lorrie > > > On 11-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: > > > Vets and doctors soon learn it is useless to argue with us. > > Sometimes our experience is better than their training. > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Felvtalk mailing list
Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
Sorry about Merlot. You did everything you could. - Original Message - From: swacht1...@comcast.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 5:49 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes I’m so very sorry – life just isn’t the same From: Christine Dundas Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:20 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes Maya So sorry for your loss. Prayers and thoughts are with you. You were a wonderful caretaker, compassionate and caring. Christine On Nov 17, 2015 7:59 AM, "Maya D'Alessio" wrote: Merlot left us yesterday morning. Thank you to everyone for your support over the month, it has been incredible. On Nov 17, 2015 12:48 AM, wrote: They sense our love and concern. I often bring a sick furbaby on my bed and stay awake all night because I am afraid they will get worse and I will not know in time to do something for them. People think I am nuts, but I cannot not be concerned. Ardy Robertson wrote: > I think when you really love your cat, you are inclined to observe every > little thing and try to understand how they are feeling based on their > actions/behavior. That gives you the insight into knowing what works and > what does not. They may have the book training, but nothing replaces loving > and observing.. and of course the love is returned. Our Tigger, when he > was at his sickest and we thought he would not make it through the night, > dragged himself into our bedroom during the night and could not get up on > the bed by any means, but laid on the floor on my hubby's side where he felt > safer being near his "mommy and daddy". (call me Cookoo) > > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Lorrie > Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 9:02 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes > > You got that right! I can tell they hate it that I am so knowledable about > cats, as it shows them up. Experience is the greatest teacher. > > Lorrie > > > On 11-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: > > > Vets and doctors soon learn it is useless to argue with us. > > Sometimes our experience is better than their training. > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
When should a cat be put on Winstrol? How low should the RBC count be? How long does it help and how long can they be on it? Also how much does it cost? - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes My prayers are with you and Merlot. Anna Summers wrote: my thoughts are with you . On 15 Nov 2015, at 12:14, Maya D'Alessio wrote: > Merlot has taken a turn for the worse. He's having trouble breathing, a > bit dehydrated, not interested in food, and the vet thought she felt a > lump in his abdomen. We might have to make a hard choice tomorrow. I > want to give him the night to see if he improves at all. > > On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Margo > wrote: > > I always feel lucky that I have a Vet who will listen to me. I figure > that when I go in, I have had the time to really evaluate the pet, know > pretty well what's going on, and have had the opportunity to research > the possibilities for that one critter. I'm not dealing with multiple > species and patients. I can focus. I like it when she also has input, > and I think that together, we are better than either of us alone. Since > the lymph node incident, we have found a way to get where we want to go > in the best way possible. Recently my Vet found an off-label use for a > new flea/tick med that saved my new dog from daily doses of a pretty > toxic drug. I didn't know about it. And I am now trying to introduce > her to Zeutering, which is a form of chemical castration that I am > considering. > > Of course, there are times...:) > > Margo > > -Original Message- > >From: Lorrie > >Sent: Nov 15, 2015 10:01 AM > >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes > > > >You got that right! I can tell they hate it that I am so knowledable > >about cats, as it shows them up. Experience is the greatest teacher. > > > >Lorrie > > > > > >On 11-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: > > > >> Vets and doctors soon learn it is useless to argue with us. > >> Sometimes our experience is better than their training. > >> > > > >___ > >Felvtalk mailing list > >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > -- > Maya D'Alessio > PhD student > B1 377B, x32320 > Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator > Biology GSA Vice Chair > GSA Director At-Large > University of Waterloo > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Anna Summers Tel :00 34 670671493 CAMPING 6 , (Camino de Guerrero, 62) El Palmar, Vejer de la Frontera, 11159 Cadiz Spain http://www.amproductionslocations.com/amproductions.html ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property"
- Original Message - From: "Jane Gannon" To: ; Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property" Last year I noticed that several of my cats had anisocoria (one pupil is larger that the other) and one of them was loosing weight. I researched on line and found that this can happen in FELV+ cats. I had them tested and they were all positive. I have a large cat family and then had everyone tested, half were positve and half were negative. I vacinated the negatives and have let them all live together. After 6 months I had one negative retested and he was still negative. In October I wrote to you that one of my young ones was lethagic, not eating and had a fever. He ended up getting FIP and I had him euthanised last week. HIs brother had to be euthanised in June. He had many problems, but in the end he had severe neurological problems and could no longer walk. I have another one now that is loosing weight, his rbc count is getting lower but he is acting fine. I want to know more info about Winstrol, my vet does not have a problem using it. How long can a cat be on it and how long does it help? Do I have to keep taking them in for blood tests? How expensive is it? Original Message - From: "Lorrie" To: Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property" On 10-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: It is a shame that cats and dogs, any animal is "just property". That reduces them to almost 'nothing in the law's eyes. As property, do they not have any value? They deserve respect at the very least. Any one tell me my cats are just property and not deserving of love, respect and proper care had better be prepared to run as fast as he can. Someone once said he would use them for target practice. I told him he would be lying on the ground next to them. - I rescue abandoned cats and kittens and last year I found a calico kitten about 8 or 9 weeks old. She was walking down the street right in the middle of town and this creep saw her at the same time and wanted to feed her to his "pet python". Well you can be sure he didn't get this poor baby. She is still with us, spayed, happy and loved. - Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property"
Last year I noticed that several of my cats had anisocoria (one pupil is larger that the other) and one of them was loosing weight. I researched on line and found that this can happen in FELV+ cats. I had them tested and they were all positive. I have a large cat family and then had everyone tested, half were positve and half were negative. I vacinated the negatives and have let them all live together. After 6 months I had one negative retested and he was still negative. In October I wrote to you that one of my young ones was lethagic, not eating and had a fever. He ended up getting FIP and I had him euthanised last week. HIs brother had to be euthanised in June. He had many problems, but in the end he had severe neurological problems and could no longer walk. I have another one now that is loosing weight, his rbc count is getting lower but he is acting fine. I want to know more info about Winstrol, my vet does not have a problem using it. How long can a cat be on it and how long does it help? Do I have to keep taking them in for blood tests? How expensive is it? Original Message - From: "Lorrie" To: Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property" On 10-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: It is a shame that cats and dogs, any animal is "just property". That reduces them to almost 'nothing in the law's eyes. As property, do they not have any value? They deserve respect at the very least. Any one tell me my cats are just property and not deserving of love, respect and proper care had better be prepared to run as fast as he can. Someone once said he would use them for target practice. I told him he would be lying on the ground next to them. - I rescue abandoned cats and kittens and last year I found a calico kitten about 8 or 9 weeks old. She was walking down the street right in the middle of town and this creep saw her at the same time and wanted to feed her to his "pet python". Well you can be sure he didn't get this poor baby. She is still with us, spayed, happy and loved. - Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Convenia was/Coco update
I am new to the forum and I was wondering if anyone ever had a felv cat that had a fever, was lethargic and not eating well. No other symptoms. If so, how was it treated and was it successful. Jane - Original Message - From: Margo To: Amy ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 03, 2015 8:08 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Convenia was/Coco update Amy, I'm with you, but done is done. My biggest issue with long lasting drugs like this is that you can't take it back. If there's an adverse reaction, you're stuck with it, and the consequences. I will only use those if the critter has shown no problems with the drug before (kind of impossible with Convenia, as it doesn't come in another form, but I'd certainly try a short term cephalosporin first) or is feral and cannot be medicated. Some Vets seem to be quite enamoured with Convenia, and give it without asking, for very inappropriate reasons. I have NO CONVENIA on all my charts. Doesn't mean I won't allow it ever, but this makes them talk to me first... Margo -Original Message- From: Amy Sent: Oct 3, 2015 8:11 AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update I know people may disagree but I would not suggest doing convenia for a cat with leukemia unless the cat is darn near impossible to medicate. The drug is meant for skin conditions and while some vets use it for URIs and UTIs, that is an off label use. I have seen it work for both but I also feel, like most vets, that it does not work nearly as well as oral antibiotics. Any vet will tell you oral meds are stronger and in a cat where a URI can be fatal, I'd always go with the strongest meds available to try to kick it quickly. Not trying to criticize, just trying to help. Good luck and keep us posted! Amy From: Kelley S To: felvtalk Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update She got the Convenia today. I asked him about the Winstrol and am going back Monday. Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday. I will get some baby food tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to drive me:() On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: Kelley If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the smell opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with kids). I would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build up her strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very quickly. She is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because she is run down and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he can give a long lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to be giving even more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken and beef. You can get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may like it as most of my cats have always liked the taste and take it easily on their own, even if I have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, full of protein, and a good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I can’t stress enough that you shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley S Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her. She woke me and told me we needed to take her to the vet. She has URI. She did not have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did. She did eat 3/4 of a can of AD. The vet is very concerned. He did say he felt she was better off with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night. But he is very concerned. Kelley ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk
