[Felvtalk] Abram and FELV

2019-03-25 Thread Jennifer Stertzer
Hello,  We are in the midst of dealing with a FELV outbreak in our household.  
Several months ago, we learned our new kitten was FELV positive; however, by 
that time three other cats had been infected.  Since Feb., we have lost two 
cats and the third is not doing well.  I have been reading the mail archives 
and have shared info with my vet, but I am now at a loss about what net steps 
to take.  At the beginning of March, Abram started to act differently - not 
interested in food (which is unusual), lethargic, and skittish.  We took him to 
the vet and discovered he also had a fever.  The vet gave him an injection of 
Convenia and put him on Onsior.  He did start eating again, but remained 
lethargic and skittish.  We took him back to the vet last week for blood work, 
which all came back fine.  He also still had a fever so he went back on Onsior. 
 I should also mention that we started him on Interferon in mid-March and just 
started his second 7-day treatment.  His symptoms remain - lethargic, skittish, 
and feeling slightly feverish.  I called the vet today and the only thing they 
can think to do is another injection of Convenia and round of Onsior.  The vet 
said that most likely this all relates to FELV and ultimately there’s not much 
to be done.  Of course, I don’t want to believe that.  Has any one else had a 
FELV cat with persistent fever?  Can T-CYTE be used in conjunction with 
Interferon? Any ideas?  We just can’t bear to lose another one of our loves to 
this.  Thanks in advance for any ideas.  Best, Jennifer
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6

2018-06-12 Thread Jennifer Minnich
Thanks Amani!  I got it-:)  Thank you for your understanding re blind cat 
because it helps, i’ll never get over it and will always cherish him and share 
his story and amazing pelvic recovery to help others (he defied all odds esp at 
his older age).  He was not fiv/felv but so many cats and dogs not to mention 
strays in his position & age get ‘put down’
b/c of. So sad.  The second they saw him and that he was stray they wanted to 
euthanize. Wish we could talk more about that offline some time as i’d be 
curious as to your take on his demise it was so odd. 
Anyway Thank You for sharing your personal experiences and very touching 
Zander story that’s pretty remarkable - lucky he had U to fight for him.  And 
what U learned from it, and share, really shows how zander affects so many 
people and cats infinitely!   It makes sense, the med formula how u explained 
it, and I definitely will hang on to this, so thank U!

If u got email about his eye, it seemed better this morning; we’ll keep an eye 
on it, but coulda be allergic reaction to scratch post. 

In researching how they test and confirm
Felv, I had ran across IFA test awhile
back but was confusing and had not personally had need to do it.   Fast forward 
in  recent research, I came across this Link below and thought U may find 
interesting about IFA confirmatory test and dr. Hardy’s Lab.  It made more 
sense to me now, altho I don’t quite get what is done different at hardy’s lab 
or, why that’s not just standard protocol, considering lives depends on it.
Would be curious of ur take on it and, if U do depend on Elisa, or IFA too, 
and/or do retesting on adults;  if a loaded question, I understand,  or if 
better for offline discussion let me know.   Here’s the link Fyi: 
http://www.askthecatdoctor.com/felineleukemia.html

The foster I hoped for did not pan out. Talking to someone else later and sort 
if observing him;   it may really help to reach out locally to those who 
understand and really do appreciate the opportunity, if needed.  

Jennifer


> On Jun 11, 2018, at 10:40 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Jennifer – I actually answered you yesterday, but the darned email was caught 
> up by the FeLV filter which captures emails that have too long an email trail.
>  
> I have cut out some of the earlier emails to enable the email to go through 
> (hopefully).
>  
> Amani
>  
> From: Amani Oakley 
> Sent: June-10-18 3:22 PM
> To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
> Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6
>  
> What a very sad story about your blind cat. I understand your heart break. I 
> too have placed cats into what I thought were excellent homes, only to have a 
> sad, and an unnecessarily tragic outcome. I have probably adopted out close 
> to 400 cats in the time my husband and I have been rescuing cats. Thankfully, 
> most of the time, people are just really happy to return a cat to me if 
> things aren’t working out, but I know only too well that once out of my 
> hands, you’re at the mercy of what someone else thinks is the right thing to 
> do.
>  
> Your email to felv talk goes out to everyone on the list at the same time. I 
> will often answer regarding FeLV because I was lucky enough to have stumbled 
> on a medication protocol (which I was calling Zander’s protocol) which 
> treated my Zander’s FeLV when EVERYTHING else had failed. I used to be a 
> medical lab technologist so lab results are key to me. When trying Zander on 
> the various medications that were suggested as assisting with FeLV, I got 
> weekly bloodwork done and would study the results to see which direction his 
> bloodwork was going. Nothing worked at all (Interferon, LTCI, combo of 
> prednisone/Doxy) and I kept him alive with several blood transfusions. When 
> that was no longer an option because he had had a reaction during his last 
> blood transfusion and the next one would kill him, I rummaged around in my 
> drawer of cat meds, and had nothing else at all to try but figured what the 
> hell, and tried him on Winstrol (Stanazalol) which I thought might at least 
> keep him eating and maybe keep him alive a bit longer. To my complete and 
> utter amazement and disbelief, after just a few days on Winstrol, his ivory 
> white gums and inner ears (signs of his profound anemia) started showing a 
> slight pinkish blush. The next blood work (a few days later) showed the first 
> uptick in haematocrit that I had seen with him since the FeLV crisis had 
> begun, which was not brought on by the artificial increase in red cells from 
> his transfusions.
>  
> I kept him on the combination of prednisone/doxycycline/winstrol  for more 
> than a year, while his haematocrit climbed from 10 and back into the normal 
> reference range of 25 to 45. Everytime I tried to stop or reduce the dosage 
> of winstro

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6

2018-06-12 Thread Jennifer Minnich
Thank You Ardy for reaching out! and sharing your story which is wonderful he 
had
a loving home and of course returned the love & joy.  So many that don’t get 
the chance that they deserve.  This is a compassionate great group of people.
Jennifer 


> On Jun 11, 2018, at 10:32 PM, Ardy Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jennifer,
> I had an FeLV+ kitty for 5-1/2 years and did not know he was positive because 
> he had tested negative as a kitten when I found him. So during that time he 
> came in contact with many othernder cats, and none of them became positive. I 
> read that after 11 months of age, it is quite rare for a cat to catch it from 
> a positive friend. Had I known Tigger was positive, I might not have kept him 
> – but I am so very happy I didn’t know it and kept him, because I would never 
> have known how much fun and love he brought to our house! Whatever you 
> decide, my best to you and your little one.  I would for sure get him on the 
> Doxy as soon as you can.
> Ardy
>  
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Jennifer Minnich
> Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2018 5:19 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6
>  
> Hi,  thank you for replying.  It is helpful to talk to someone with 
> experience with this.
>  
> Sorry to be ignorant but, how do I post where I am?  (Not sure what that 
> means). 
> And If I post, is it ok to ‘put it out there’ re: possible home with other 
> felv positives? 
> Esp because I would be willing to help support him which I think makes a 
> difference.
>  
> we’d love to keep and care for him and this sucks !!  but i’m trying to be 
> positive that a plan will happen.  He went from hissy street cat to curling 
> up in my lap.  Urg!   
>  
> I’d worry with someone else unless it was someone with experience, or like u 
> said non cat crazy people but compassionate and committed.
>  
> We discussed it a few times and just would not be comfortable with the risk 
> of coMingling them unfortunately,-:( which sucks.  Or the whole vaccination 
> thing b/c with multiple other cats it’ll be too much craziness plus not even 
> sure of efficacy, or side effects.  
>  
> That leaves me with leaving him separated and constantly trying to be 
> sterilized on our end which seems cumbersome and I’m not so sure fair to him 
> to be isolated all the time.   OR the only cat.  OR in a multi pos. home 
> (prob. preferrable b/c someone would know how to treat him). OR putting him 
> back outside which doesn’t seem best for him. 
>  
> I can imagine there are times it works out ok to comingle yes, where it can 
> be ok vs ‘oh my gosh no don’t do that’.  That is what happened with my FIV 
> cat which is a long story but bottom line after research and talking to folks 
> it was an ok fit b/c no one were fighters. felv is different. I have known 
> others (individuals or rescues) where exposure of different things had bad 
> outcomes.  I guess it’s a matter of variables, situations and/or luck.   
> Sounds like you have been fortunate which is awesome.
> (Thanks for ALL u do to help the felines-:)
>  
> I got the antibiotic before seeing this.  I am
> familiar with doxy and thought that’s what he’d give, but it was Orbax 
> (Orbifloxacin).
> Are U familiar?  
> When i got it I asked front desk if it was as strong as doxy and she said yes 
> and that it’s broad spectrum antibiotic.   Thoughts?
>  
> Are u familiar with Collodial Silver? 
>  If not I can send the link.
>  I was recommended this yesterday for use for people and cats or other 
> animals. 
> Cat person said she uses all the time for different things from bacterial 
> infections to URI’s.   It’s a natural antibiotic.
>  It lists as an option for stomatitis  and felv use so I imagine it cannot 
> hurt,  in basic doses.  (supposed to be good for many things including 
> inflammation and immune-building).  I plan to give him that and the 
> antibiotic; was ok with vet .
>  
> With ur experience and what u’ve heard (he’s between 5-7 yrs. old they say;  
> to be neutered in couple weeks;   10lbs  (needs gain some);   Bad stomatitis 
> (i’ll send pic if u want ): 
>  
> A) what’s ur feeling about putting him
> back outside?(I’ve never done that;  he could get by but My feeling is he 
> shouldn’t be in the elements and would do better inside)—- just not sure what 
> will happen if there are no other good options.
>  
> B) at that age and what you are hearing... any sense of lifespan?  (I know 
> it’s hard to say but was guessing 2-4 years or up to a year). my vet said 
> oldest one he knew of was patient’s who lived to 8y/o.   What’s ur feeling of 
> assessing if he could las

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6

2018-06-11 Thread Jennifer Minnich
Hi Amani,  

hope you received the email below-:)   
  
Will wait to hear back re: email address inquiry;  

in the meanwhile, i plan to see how he’s doing in the next couple weeks; i may 
have a temp. foster not sure yet;   would appreciate the opportunity for local 
group outreach if needed. 

He’s been in my bathroom the past few days and seemed to be doing pretty good; 
tonight he’s squinting an eye - any experience with that with your felv’s?   (I 
put a sissel scratchpad in with him yesterday which is awefully concidental 
this started today, so I kind of wonder if he’s allergic or got any of it in 
his eyes,  or if it’s the meds or
Felv separately related). Will see how he is in the morning and go from there. 

Thank u,
JennifEr


> On Jun 10, 2018, at 6:53 AM, Jennifer Minnich  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks so much Amani.  What an amazing global group.  Very awesome to have 
> such support for folks and these cats, everywhere!
> 
> Amani, when I am emailing you now, is it going out to the group or just you? 
> For example, is there a different email I should be using.  Please let me 
> know, and then I’ll
> have the hang of it, thanks!-:) 
> 
> I really appreciate ur time, compassion, and advice and communication. I will 
> keep in mind the advice on the doxy for sure.
> 
> Our understanding predominantly is that FIV is via bite wounds, where my 
> experience with one cat who fortunately wasn’t aggressive and fit with the 
> environment.
> My understanding with Felv is via bites as well also general contact.  With 
> so much contraversy about it, it’s very interesting from what u share how 
> some seem to spread or get it while others don’t like life, a continual 
> learning process for me..
> 
> Canada wow - I am in south florida and long story short I flew with a special 
> needs senior blind cat I rescued and rehabbed to his furrever home in canada. 
> He was purrfectly fine when I left him there (and yes I was very attached b/c 
> I knew everything about him) (only reason I decided to home him was b/c I had 
> a sick older cat and I feared it may stress her, and that he may have been 
> better off.he was an amazing special soul!!!  Very special.   I settled 
> him in for a few says all was fine;  But 3 weeks later he took a crazy turn 
> where he was worse off than when I first found him (and he was bad off with 
> broken pelvis), and, they euthanized-:( my heart still and always will hurt 
> over it.  They were nice people and good animal people with good intentions 
> but IMO made mistakes and would not heed my advice for transitioning him. 
> Rushed it with their other animals which freaked him out;  he fell off the 
> bed, yada yada.   They said he had cancer.  Based on what I’d ask? No answer. 
> Anything may have been b/c he too was community cat with unknown background, 
> altho all his same tests I had from a month prior were fine.   I asked 
> (begged) to share his medical records which aside from my own edification, I 
> felt his story and whatever caused his demise, could Really help other cats 
> somehow. His story was extraordinary, as was/is he. So for it to end that way 
> and be ignored as to why, was cruel and unjust. Like if nothing to hide, why 
> not share the records.  To this day a year and half later I still wish I had 
> them for some kind of closure, not only for me but his story in order to help 
> other cats in similar situations.   Sorry I strayed (no punn intended Lol) 
> from the topic.  
> 
> Like you said, and you have much more experience, about putting them back 
> out, esp. being vulnerable/sick and after they’ve experienced love. 
> 
> Jennifer
> 
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2018, at 12:20 AM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jennifer
>>  
>> There are people in this group from all over the U.S. (New York, Texas, 
>> Wisconsin, California, etc.) and all around the world (Canada – me!; Brazil, 
>> Italy, South Africa), so I just meant that if you tell us in your email, 
>> approximately where you’re located, there may be people near you who might 
>> be willing to help out with your cat.
>>  
>> In my personal opinion, once you’ve taken the time and care to tame down a 
>> feral, as you have clearly done, I would never put them back out on the 
>> street. But maybe that’s why I’m up to 18 cats now! I just think that once 
>> they know what it’s like to be warm and clean and loved, it is just too 
>> terrible to put them back outside again.
>>  
>> Frankly, of the two conditions, it is the FIV which is more contagious so if 
>> you’ve had experience with that, and it turned out okay, in my experience, 
>> it won’t be the FeLV that causes a problem, unless you have kittens in your 
>> house. Adult 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6

2018-06-10 Thread Jennifer Minnich
Thanks so much Amani.  What an amazing global group.  Very awesome to have such 
support for folks and these cats, everywhere!

Amani, when I am emailing you now, is it going out to the group or just you? 
For example, is there a different email I should be using.  Please let me know, 
and then I’ll
have the hang of it, thanks!-:) 

I really appreciate ur time, compassion, and advice and communication. I will 
keep in mind the advice on the doxy for sure.

Our understanding predominantly is that FIV is via bite wounds, where my 
experience with one cat who fortunately wasn’t aggressive and fit with the 
environment.
My understanding with Felv is via bites as well also general contact.  With so 
much contraversy about it, it’s very interesting from what u share how some 
seem to spread or get it while others don’t like life, a continual learning 
process for me..

Canada wow - I am in south florida and long story short I flew with a special 
needs senior blind cat I rescued and rehabbed to his furrever home in canada. 
He was purrfectly fine when I left him there (and yes I was very attached b/c I 
knew everything about him) (only reason I decided to home him was b/c I had a 
sick older cat and I feared it may stress her, and that he may have been better 
off.he was an amazing special soul!!!  Very special.   I settled him in for 
a few says all was fine;  But 3 weeks later he took a crazy turn where he was 
worse off than when I first found him (and he was bad off with broken pelvis), 
and, they euthanized-:( my heart still and always will hurt over it.  They were 
nice people and good animal people with good intentions but IMO made mistakes 
and would not heed my advice for transitioning him. Rushed it with their other 
animals which freaked him out;  he fell off the bed, yada yada.   They said he 
had cancer.  Based on what I’d ask? No answer. Anything may have been b/c he 
too was community cat with unknown background, altho all his same tests I had 
from a month prior were fine.   I asked (begged) to share his medical records 
which aside from my own edification, I felt his story and whatever caused his 
demise, could Really help other cats somehow. His story was extraordinary, as 
was/is he. So for it to end that way and be ignored as to why, was cruel and 
unjust. Like if nothing to hide, why not share the records.  To this day a year 
and half later I still wish I had them for some kind of closure, not only for 
me but his story in order to help other cats in similar situations.   Sorry I 
strayed (no punn intended Lol) from the topic.  

Like you said, and you have much more experience, about putting them back out, 
esp. being vulnerable/sick and after they’ve experienced love. 

Jennifer


> On Jun 10, 2018, at 12:20 AM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jennifer
>  
> There are people in this group from all over the U.S. (New York, Texas, 
> Wisconsin, California, etc.) and all around the world (Canada – me!; Brazil, 
> Italy, South Africa), so I just meant that if you tell us in your email, 
> approximately where you’re located, there may be people near you who might be 
> willing to help out with your cat.
>  
> In my personal opinion, once you’ve taken the time and care to tame down a 
> feral, as you have clearly done, I would never put them back out on the 
> street. But maybe that’s why I’m up to 18 cats now! I just think that once 
> they know what it’s like to be warm and clean and loved, it is just too 
> terrible to put them back outside again.
>  
> Frankly, of the two conditions, it is the FIV which is more contagious so if 
> you’ve had experience with that, and it turned out okay, in my experience, it 
> won’t be the FeLV that causes a problem, unless you have kittens in your 
> house. Adult cats can end up testing positive for FeLV, but it doesn’t do 
> anything to them. I agree with you that you should try hard to find him 
> another home, but if all else fails, please consider keeping him. It sounds 
> like you’ve done just a wonderful thing for him, and he obviously loves you 
> very much.
>  
> With respect to the anbiotic, nothing is like Doxycyline other than another 
> tetracycline. Broad-spectrum antibiotics cover Gram positive and Gram 
> negative bacteria – that is what is meant by broad spectrum. Doxycycline had 
> effects on bacteria, viruses (block viral ability to replicate), spirochetes 
> (eg – Lyme Disease), parasites (eg – malaria, immature stage of the 
> roundworm), etc. Don’t let them try and substitute Doxcycycline – it works 
> very differently than almost every other antibiotic. Nothing at all wrong 
> with the Orbifloxacin – it is a floroquinolone I think – same family as 
> ciprofloxacin – and it is effect against some organisms like Pseudomonas 
> aeruginosa  and Staph aureus which are tough bugs to kill. But I suggested 
> the Doxycycline b

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6

2018-06-09 Thread Jennifer Minnich
Hi,  thank you for replying.  It is helpful to talk to someone with experience 
with this.

Sorry to be ignorant but, how do I post where I am?  (Not sure what that 
means). 
And If I post, is it ok to ‘put it out there’ re: possible home with other felv 
positives? 
Esp because I would be willing to help support him which I think makes a 
difference.

we’d love to keep and care for him and this sucks !!  but i’m trying to be 
positive that a plan will happen.  He went from hissy street cat to curling up 
in my lap.  Urg!   

I’d worry with someone else unless it was someone with experience, or like u 
said non cat crazy people but compassionate and committed.

We discussed it a few times and just would not be comfortable with the risk of 
coMingling them unfortunately,-:( which sucks.  Or the whole vaccination thing 
b/c with multiple other cats it’ll be too much craziness plus not even sure of 
efficacy, or side effects.  

That leaves me with leaving him separated and constantly trying to be 
sterilized on our end which seems cumbersome and I’m not so sure fair to him to 
be isolated all the time.   OR the only cat.  OR in a multi pos. home (prob. 
preferrable b/c someone would know how to treat him). OR putting him back 
outside which doesn’t seem best for him. 

I can imagine there are times it works out ok to comingle yes, where it can be 
ok vs ‘oh my gosh no don’t do that’.  That is what happened with my FIV cat 
which is a long story but bottom line after research and talking to folks it 
was an ok fit b/c no one were fighters. felv is different. I have known others 
(individuals or rescues) where exposure of different things had bad outcomes.  
I guess it’s a matter of variables, situations and/or luck.   Sounds like you 
have been fortunate which is awesome.
(Thanks for ALL u do to help the felines-:)

I got the antibiotic before seeing this.  I am
familiar with doxy and thought that’s what he’d give, but it was Orbax 
(Orbifloxacin).
Are U familiar?  
When i got it I asked front desk if it was as strong as doxy and she said yes 
and that it’s broad spectrum antibiotic.   Thoughts?

Are u familiar with Collodial Silver? 
 If not I can send the link.
 I was recommended this yesterday for use for people and cats or other animals. 
Cat person said she uses all the time for different things from bacterial 
infections to URI’s.   It’s a natural antibiotic.
 It lists as an option for stomatitis  and felv use so I imagine it cannot 
hurt,  in basic doses.  (supposed to be good for many things including 
inflammation and immune-building).  I plan to give him that and the antibiotic; 
was ok with vet .

With ur experience and what u’ve heard (he’s between 5-7 yrs. old they say;  to 
be neutered in couple weeks;   10lbs  (needs gain some);   Bad stomatitis 
(i’ll send pic if u want ): 

A) what’s ur feeling about putting him
back outside?(I’ve never done that;  he could get by but My feeling is he 
shouldn’t be in the elements and would do better inside)—- just not sure what 
will happen if there are no other good options.

B) at that age and what you are hearing... any sense of lifespan?  (I know it’s 
hard to say but was guessing 2-4 years or up to a year). my vet said oldest one 
he knew of was patient’s who lived to 8y/o.   What’s ur feeling of assessing if 
he could last a while or if things could go south quickly??
I guess i’m trying to imagine how long or short term the commitment may be. 

C). He would def . seem to have felv by way of strong stain and stomatitis.  In 
doing some research, I wonder about the confirmTory IFA test.  It seems if it’s 
pos. too, that it’s in the bone marrow and no chance shedding it.

Thanks!
Jennifer 



> On Jun 9,r  2018, at 1:24 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Jennifer – from your area code, you are no where near me. You need to post 
> where you are.
>  
> Can I also suggest you get your vet to start him on doxycycline – 50 mg. 
> daily, for an extended treatment period like 6 weeks. As long as he isn’t 
> showing other symptoms other than the stomatitis, that should be enough for 
> now. Even if your vet wants to put him other antibiotics, the Doxycycline 
> should also be considered alongside other meds. It has been to shown to 
> interfere with viral replication so it might help. I have used it for both 
> FeLV and FIV cats, and had good results. (I won’t go into the details, since 
> everyone on this chatline is well and truly tired of me posting the same 
> stuff in answer to new inquiriesJ.)
>  
> I think what you’re doing is simply tremendous. Unfortunately, you may have a 
> very difficult time finding a home for him. Anyone who doesn’t have a cat 
> already is not a crazy cat person, and therefore, likely unwilling to take on 
> a cat with significant responsibilities – at least into the future. Anyone 
> with a cat or cats will have the same issues you mention with respect to 
> worrying 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6

2018-06-09 Thread Jennifer Minnich
Hello,   I subscribed a few years ago but have never posted;  not even sure how.
I think I tried and never worked. 
Is this a forum to ask advice and/or ask about long term foster or adopter?  
Please I hope u will read this.   Thank you. 

A male tabby community cat by my house who I befriended turns out to be double 
positive.-:( I would notice pain when he was eating so then I eventually pureed 
wet food in the blender til was like soup and sat with him while he ate... I 
was so happy he’d eat! 
Even that was hard sometimes til eventually it was manageable. 

My plan was to neuter/shots/chip/get tested, and adopt. 

Things took a different order b/c I felt so bad about his mouth so I took him 
by my vet first to diagnose... well he tested double 
positive-:(,and has very bad stomatitis.   I got antibiotics, and am gonna 
give with collodial silver.   He has neuter appt. In a couple weeks.  They 
think he is
5-6 y/o. 

 I am at a crossroads b/c I do not want to put him back outside-:( yet I don’t 
want to expose my cats. 

 Speaking to our vet, Adopting him ourselves doesn’t seem too super viable 
unless we separate him and we’d wonder or worry about possible cross 
contamination.  
Vaccinating our indoor cats doesn’t seem practical as it would get costly and 
concerning b/c of possible side effects or efficacy.  

Which leads me to:   If he were an only cat (or only cat with other animals), 
OR in a multi-positive house with experienced felv parents,  that would be 
options for him..   I just want him to be indoor only, loved, safe, and cared 
for;  it’s a lot to take on but he’s So worth it and deserves it;  he clearly 
was overlooked in the neighborhood and now has a chance at at least comfort 
care and love;if it can’t be me, my hope is it would be someone who gets 
his situation and loves and cares for him no matter what. 
To a right home with good people,  I would be willing to transport and/or 
support $ him if needed. 
Do you know of anyone? Is this a forum that
 I could ask?

Thank you for ur compassion, and time! 
Jennifer
305-298-3709



> On Jun 8, 2018, at 9:23 PM, Deborah Whorley  wrote:
> 
> Latest discussion from this group. Start at the bottom. There were other
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> > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
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> > In my world, my perspective is usually, it can?t hurt. I would at least get 
> > her on the Doxycycline. It might help with the other problems you are 
> > having, or not, but I would probably give it a try if it were me. The only 
> > thing to watch with the Doxycycline is that the hard tablets have been 
> > known to get stuck in a cat?s throat and cause burning of the eosophagus. I 
> > have never had that problem but I have heard others speak of it. If that is 
> > a concern and all you can get are hard tablets, rub them in butter before 
> > giving them and ensure that the cat is given some yummy canned food 
> > afterwards to ensure that the pill goes down properly. Others have 
> > mentioned you can get Doxycycline in liquid form as well. I suspect that 
> > the problem has been blown out of proportion to the amount of time it 
> > actually occurs, and just like what happened with Winstrol and the link 
> > between it and liver damage, it has improperly curtailed the use of 
> > Doxycycline. I have found Doxycycline (a tetracycline) to ha
>  ve a truly remarkable range of effectiveness, so with any luck, it may 
> address whatever is causing the other nose and eye infections.
> >  
> > Amani
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Re: [Felvtalk] not receiving e-mails

2018-02-22 Thread Jennifer Olson
Been peaceful !

On Feb 21, 2018 4:02 PM, "Sandy"  wrote:

> Looks like I have not received any e-mail contact since November 2017.
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[Felvtalk] Merry Christmas & Happy Anniversary wishes

2017-12-27 Thread Jennifer Olson
December 22nd marked the beginning of our 2nd yr with Figaro in our lives.
He is healthy, but a bit heavy- the kind of weight gain common after being
neutered. Have yet to get him integrated into the clan, so each of us
"bipedals" lavish Figaro with various kinds of attention... of course I'M
the "Mama" so Figaro and I do lots of grooming & cuddling!
Much admiration goes out to all of you, whose loving strength enriches the
lives of precious fur-babies, for as long as we are able!
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[Felvtalk] Krammer

2017-11-06 Thread Jennifer Olson
Kat, you are an amazing fur-baby Mama !
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[Felvtalk] Read entire string

2017-10-16 Thread Jennifer Olson
My thoughts and prayers are with all of you.
Jen
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[Felvtalk] Howdy!

2017-10-16 Thread Jennifer Olson
Still here, and glad the message tonight wasn't bad news!
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[Felvtalk] Kat K's kitten

2017-09-02 Thread Jennifer Olson
PRAISE JESUS ! ! !
Jen
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[Felvtalk] CH +FeLv

2017-09-01 Thread Jennifer Olson
Katherine K,
What's the word on that lil baby?
Jen
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[Felvtalk] (no subject)

2017-08-15 Thread Jennifer Olson
Lucky is BLESSED !
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[Felvtalk] Lucky Lucky- truly BLESSED

2017-08-02 Thread Jennifer Olson
Thx for sharing the happy update !
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[Felvtalk] Pathetic

2017-08-01 Thread Jennifer Olson
I just realized that a young cat I saw on I-35 in Minneapolis August of '91
was probably tossed too!  During rush hour no less, I couldn't do anything
to help it, I was a passenger and that poor baby had been severely injured
already. I still remember the absolute, helpless horror and what the
precious little creature looked like-  even though I probably only saw it
for a fraction of a second.
Bob, I agree completely.
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[Felvtalk] Unspeakable evil

2017-07-31 Thread Jennifer Olson
Stories like this kitten thrown from a moving car are TOO common. Force
Change, Change.org & Animalpetitions.org are a few places that have
petitions for protecting snimals and seeking justice.
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[Felvtalk] dlegg

2017-07-28 Thread Jennifer Olson
How are YOU dlegg after your surgery?
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[Felvtalk] Post-Op

2017-07-28 Thread Jennifer Olson
Bob,
How are you ? ? ?
Jen
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[Felvtalk] Sending prayers up for you!

2017-07-22 Thread Jennifer Olson

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[Felvtalk] (no subject)

2017-06-12 Thread Jennifer Olson
Praying for Krammie & you.
Jen
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[Felvtalk] O2 ?

2017-05-31 Thread Jennifer Olson
Did you get information on how to best safely administer oxygen to your
Annie?
Jen
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[Felvtalk] Animal WELfare

2017-05-27 Thread Jennifer Olson
I agree Robert, it is a HUGE struggle to maintain a "good heart" towards
all people- even those that practically demand to be hated. Also afraid
that faced with any act of abuse- I too would have to face the law.
There are web petition links where I get added 'relief' by signing to find
& prosecute to the fullest extent of the law those perpetrating heinous
acts against innocents.
Am I allowed to pass along the names of these sites (although I'm certain
some in this chat are probably quite familiar already) ?
Jen
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hi......sad news....

2017-05-27 Thread Jennifer Olson
So sorry for your loss- Rejoicing he had you to love him !
Jen

On May 27, 2017 10:12 AM, "rosebudcocopuff" 
wrote:

> My sweet, beautiful, Martinjust one yr. Of age lost his fight on
> Thursday, May 25th.   Rest now my baby boy. Always remembered, always
> loved.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sentiment

2017-04-24 Thread Jennifer Olson
Very well said!
Jen
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[Felvtalk] Sheri <3

2017-04-14 Thread Jennifer Olson
Mo had The Best-

And it was ALL because YOU are who you are.
God sent him to you-
because without you,
Mo wouldn't have been given a
shadow of a chance.
Your selflessness to give Mo everything & hold back no part
of your heart (knowing one day you would likely outlive him)
made you his angel-

Now Mo is your lil angel,
he is HEALTHY,  FREE from suffering,  looking forward to the day of your
reunion-
a blink of the eye for him...

My prayers are with you as this raw grief slowly heals,
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[Felvtalk] Lovely

2017-04-13 Thread Jennifer Olson
Ardy,
Thanks so much for sharing that poem!
Jen
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[Felvtalk] Make certain

2017-04-12 Thread Jennifer Olson
Dear Bob,
If you want to be sure Jelly is in your loving, comforting, protective
arms- and not suffering, alone
You can take Jelly in to the vet's, be WITH him, and set him free.
My heart is hurting so much for you.
Praying for you both-
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[Felvtalk] Mobil vet

2017-04-12 Thread Jennifer Olson
AWESOME ! ! !   There should be MORE of them.
I'd pay the extra "convenience" fees, to protect my fur-babies from the
stress of going in.
The comfort felt of being at HOME !
I think if we approach our vets with the idea, and a waiver because of
concerns of being sued, this could really catch on!
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[Felvtalk] Holding on...

2017-04-11 Thread Jennifer Olson
I have been allowed to hold both of my cats & 1 for my sister as they were
"put down". Using a towel around their lower half to catch anything
excreted when they leave their body helps.
Be your & your baby's best advocate when the time comes.
My heart hurts for yours,
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[Felvtalk] Mo

2017-04-11 Thread Jennifer Olson
Thoughts & prayers for your strength. Mo will be completely healthy soon-
just missing you til you are reunited once more.
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[Felvtalk] Comfort

2017-04-10 Thread Jennifer Olson
It is PAINFULLY difficult to know when enough is enough.
God be with you & your furbaby.
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[Felvtalk] PRAISE JESUS !

2017-04-07 Thread Jennifer Olson
SO happy to hear you've had some ups again- praying he's stable long enough
for the meds to work their miracles for Jelly!
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[Felvtalk] So much to lose

2017-04-06 Thread Jennifer Olson
Bob,
Understanding that there won't be a cheap way to check so soon on Jelly's
anemia, I want you to consider indulging on a food Jelly used to LOVE,
offer it over the weekend, try to put force feeding aside, and just love on
him  ❤
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[Felvtalk] Cherished memories

2017-04-06 Thread Jennifer Olson
When I had to give my cat subcutaneous fluids because of her condition-
Zuzu began to act like she wasn't sure if I was about to inject her- or
just wanted to hold her each time I picked her up.
THAT was killing ME!  That is when I realized I was being selfish. All I
was going to have until her & I are reunited in Heaven are my memories. I
did NOT want them to become ugly last days with my beloved baby girl.
Jelly will be waiting for you in Heaven, no matter what you choose... with
love & hope it is you making the choices we all will face eventually with
our fur-babies.
You are NOT alone,
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[Felvtalk] YAY 4 HOPE

2017-04-05 Thread Jennifer Olson
Mo & Vi & you are in my prayers!
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[Felvtalk] Dearest Friend

2017-04-03 Thread Jennifer Olson
Know that MANY hearts here are breaking with yours- and that we're relieved
your messages are finally getting through. I know how very isolated this
situation can make one feel, a personal hell!
There is great strength in your & Jelly's love- THAT can not be changed-
you will do what we all have to face eventually...
Setting our fur-babies free from bodies that have become a prison.
You ARE doing ALL YOU CAN.
NEVER second guess that.
You will know in your heart when you've reached the step where anything
further isn't for Jelly, but comes from our selfish human weakness of NEVER
wanting to let our loved one go.
I am crying WITH you.
Jen
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[Felvtalk] Update on Figaro VonMouztrapf

2017-03-23 Thread Jennifer Olson
Neuter this morning went fine. My son & I stopped after school to visit
him. We'll get Figaro back tomorrow   =~D
Jen
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[Felvtalk] Meow-y-WOWY

2017-03-16 Thread Jennifer Olson
Sorry, none.
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[Felvtalk] Food...

2017-03-09 Thread Jennifer Olson
I am curious too. I want to give Figaro all the nutritional support
possible for stable health. A few times a wk I'm giving a kitten vitamin
supplement. Am just starting to mix kitten kibble in his adult kibble.
Anxious to hear everything else suggested !   =~D
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Re: [Felvtalk] Good news!

2017-03-09 Thread Jennifer Olson
Thank you!
Jen

On Mar 8, 2017 7:17 PM, "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote:

> Hi Jen,
>
> The only problem with staying at that vet, is once you actually need
> Zander’s Protocol, it will take some time to obtain the Winstrol, and find
> a vet willing to prescribe it for you, along with the Doxy and Prednisone.
> When my Tigger baby got actively sick, I ran out of crucial time obtaining
> the Winstrol. L
>
>But hopefully your kitty will remain symptom free for a long long time…
> Ardy
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Jennifer Olson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 8, 2017 12:05 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Good news!
>
>
>
> Figaro's bloodwork shows he is "healthy" ! ! ! No sign of ear mites so
> treatment now is to clean & use ointment for otitis externa. Did NOT do
> skin scraping for d. gatoi, fur & skin are MUCH improved. And Vet's going
> to let us have the "Barn cat" discount on his neuter!
>
> Bad news, Vet "looked into" the meds of Z's protocol & efficacy for FeLV,
> and isn't on board...
>
> So, until Figaro is actively ill from FeLV, we'll continue to vet @ this
> clinic.
>
> IFA results are pending.
>
> Thanks for your prayers & support all ! ! !
>
> Jen
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[Felvtalk] Good news!

2017-03-08 Thread Jennifer Olson
Figaro's bloodwork shows he is "healthy" ! ! ! No sign of ear mites so
treatment now is to clean & use ointment for otitis externa. Did NOT do
skin scraping for d. gatoi, fur & skin are MUCH improved. And Vet's going
to let us have the "Barn cat" discount on his neuter!
Bad news, Vet "looked into" the meds of Z's protocol & efficacy for FeLV,
and isn't on board...
So, until Figaro is actively ill from FeLV, we'll continue to vet @ this
clinic.
IFA results are pending.
Thanks for your prayers & support all ! ! !
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fluid in Airway

2017-03-08 Thread Jennifer Olson
I watch A LOT of criminal/ forensic shows-  you had me going for a second
=~O

On Mar 8, 2017 2:21 AM, "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bcha...@optonline.net> wrote:

> Funny you should mention that Jen because I DID have several recordings
> last season when the problem was substantially worse... Of course I
> couldn't locate them when I brought him to the vet...but that is the best
> answer to my dilemna...  The Sound is definitely pronounced enough to
> record well... The other day I stuck a large knife in his side to see if
> the fluid would come out but all I got was blood.my bad... really did
> little to help the problem
> ( I AM JUST KIDDING FOLKS!..HONEST !  : ) Looks like I have
> some homework to do again on Airway issues in Kitties...
>
>
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>>  What antibiotics seem to help FELV cats the most?Also, my Charlie seems
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>> respond well to Predisolone. Longterm ?
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>> Bob,
>> Have you tried to record the sounds of his breathing to replay for a vet?
>> Suppose you told them about past episodes & effects of thorough cleaning?
>> Jen
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2017 8:33 PM, "ROBERT CHAPEL"  wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hello All:
>>>
>>> My remaining boy ( Magellin aka  " Jelly " ) has some kind of fluid
>>> either
>>> in his lungs or in his trachea... The oddest thing is that despite my
>>> hearing it ALL the time ( and even frequently cupping him to get him to
>>> cough and clear it a bit) 2 Vets have failed to hear it ( and... in
>>> fact...
>>> it seems to disappear when I've taken him somewhere to "show" them what
>>> I'm
>>> talking about)... possibly adrenaline from being anxious about being in
>>> the
>>> car and a new environment dries it up temporarily.. just like we get dry
>>> mouths when we are scared??  It concerns me even though it's not
>>> currently
>>> causing him a lot of distress it's just very disconcerting when I
>>> hear
>>> him gurgling as he eats his dinner or as he sleeps because I simply don't
>>> know what it is and if there is something I should be addressing before
>>> it
>>> gets worse...   When I first got him he appeared to have an asthma like
>>> condition with multiple attacks of a kind of " hacking"  each day
>>> Interestingly that was last March as well ( when I first got him
>>> almost
>>> to the day today. along his little but older "brother" who lasted
>>> just
>>> under a year with me despite many many trips to vets and multiple meds
>>> nearly the entire time I had him  I call him little because he failed
>>> to thrive from the  get go...a poster cat for bad FeLV)   I still feel
>>> his
>>> loss and I will be devastated if I were to lose this guy over something I
>>> could have

Re: [Felvtalk] Fluid in Lungs or Airway...

2017-03-06 Thread Jennifer Olson
Bob,
Have you tried to record the sounds of his breathing to replay for a vet?
Suppose you told them about past episodes & effects of thorough cleaning?
Jen

On Mar 6, 2017 8:33 PM, "ROBERT CHAPEL"  wrote:

>
>
> Hello All:
>
> My remaining boy ( Magellin aka  " Jelly " ) has some kind of fluid either
> in his lungs or in his trachea... The oddest thing is that despite my
> hearing it ALL the time ( and even frequently cupping him to get him to
> cough and clear it a bit) 2 Vets have failed to hear it ( and... in fact...
> it seems to disappear when I've taken him somewhere to "show" them what I'm
> talking about)... possibly adrenaline from being anxious about being in the
> car and a new environment dries it up temporarily.. just like we get dry
> mouths when we are scared??  It concerns me even though it's not currently
> causing him a lot of distress it's just very disconcerting when I hear
> him gurgling as he eats his dinner or as he sleeps because I simply don't
> know what it is and if there is something I should be addressing before it
> gets worse...   When I first got him he appeared to have an asthma like
> condition with multiple attacks of a kind of " hacking"  each day
> Interestingly that was last March as well ( when I first got him almost
> to the day today. along his little but older "brother" who lasted just
> under a year with me despite many many trips to vets and multiple meds
> nearly the entire time I had him  I call him little because he failed
> to thrive from the  get go...a poster cat for bad FeLV)   I still feel his
> loss and I will be devastated if I were to lose this guy over something I
> could have done something about.   The asthma like condition went away
> after I gave the rugs a thorough cleaning, moved all the furniture away
> from the walls and vacuumed and cleaned... got rid of as much dust as I
> could I did so many damn things I'd be hard pressed to know which ( if
> any) were the most useful...could have been simply that when I was finally
> able to open the windows THAT did it...   All that said just wondering
> if anyone has had such symptoms with a cat ( sounds like one of us might
> sound after a bad chest cold just as the mucuus is loosening up... but
> instead of getting better it simply stays at the same levelAnyone
> have experience with using nebulizers with cats ( and yes I've done the
> bathroom shower thing...  thats a bit wasteful)I'm actually
> wondering about these new " Vape things... ie... if I were to add a small
> dose of medication to it  they produce a HUGE amount of vapor and could
> be a LOT cheaper than a nebulizer.  Wondering also if anyone has ever
> given a cat a small dose of a mucolytic medication with what result.???
> Ultimately I'll do a chest Xray but... these are rather pricey and it's
> spring "wedding" time now  another cash outlay Though I won't hold
> off if it gets worse... I've just been home a LOT lately and have been
> hearing it all day long many days
> The little guy is still playful , energetic, eats well ,poops and pees
> normally and is his same ultra sociable self... I just don't want to ignore
> something I really should possible be paying more attention to.
>
> thanks for any suggestions and experience...
>
> Bob
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Re: [Felvtalk] Prednisone

2017-03-06 Thread Jennifer Olson
AWESOME ! ! !THANK  YOU   =~D

On Mar 6, 2017 2:29 PM, "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:

> Zander was originally on prednisone and Doxycycline, when I added the
> Winstrol, and the trio worked well so I didn’t touch anything (except to up
> the Winstrol dose at the start of his treatment).
>
>
>
> However, I was subsequently told by a senior veterinary researcher, that
> the prednisone was a good addition because it would help to protect the
> liver from the effect of the Winstrol.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Jennifer Olson
> *Sent:* March-06-17 2:53 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Prednisone
>
>
>
> Have vet appointment soon. Can't find the rationale for prednisone in
> Zander's protocol.
>
>
>
> Would like to have that information when I see Dr.
>
>
>
> Jen
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[Felvtalk] Prednisone

2017-03-06 Thread Jennifer Olson
Have vet appointment soon. Can't find the rationale for prednisone in
Zander's protocol.

Would like to have that information when I see Dr.

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Re: [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!?

2017-03-05 Thread Jennifer Olson
It is Advantage Multi   =~D   Have been trying to soothe his ears and
hopefully SUFFOCATE some of the lil buggers with olive oil & cotton ball
massaging. Persistant monsters!
What does HTH mean?
Jen

On Mar 5, 2017 7:52 AM, "Margo" <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>
> p.s.. If the Ivermectin is to treat the Demodex, I never had any luck with
> that, but then, I've only treated dogs. I had success with Advantage Multi
> every two weeks, and most recently, Bravecto as labeled.
>
> HTH
>
> Margo
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jennifer Olson
> Sent: Mar 4, 2017 9:22 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!?
>
> May be asking for THAT on Monday. I just pray his neutering is in the very
> near future!
>
> On Mar 4, 2017 8:19 PM, "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
>
>> That’s so weird. I have used Revolution, and it gets rid of the ear mites
>> with a single application.
>>
>>
>>
>> Amani
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
>> Of *Jennifer Olson
>> *Sent:* March-04-17 9:18 PM
>> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!?
>>
>>
>>
>> The demodex gatoi !  Figaro would very likely NOT have gotten the
>> parasite if the FeLV wasn't present.
>>
>> Still working on that & ear mites- oral ivermectin every other day and a
>> topical product meant to be used once/ mo Vet said to apply every 2 wks for
>> approx 6 wks. Ear mites are quite stubborn, but the skin mites are
>> succuming- maybe even OFF him now.
>>
>> Jen
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Re: [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!?

2017-03-04 Thread Jennifer Olson
May be asking for THAT on Monday. I just pray his neutering is in the very
near future!

On Mar 4, 2017 8:19 PM, "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:

> That’s so weird. I have used Revolution, and it gets rid of the ear mites
> with a single application.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Jennifer Olson
> *Sent:* March-04-17 9:18 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!?
>
>
>
> The demodex gatoi !  Figaro would very likely NOT have gotten the parasite
> if the FeLV wasn't present.
>
> Still working on that & ear mites- oral ivermectin every other day and a
> topical product meant to be used once/ mo Vet said to apply every 2 wks for
> approx 6 wks. Ear mites are quite stubborn, but the skin mites are
> succuming- maybe even OFF him now.
>
> Jen
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[Felvtalk] How coyld I foeget?!?!?

2017-03-04 Thread Jennifer Olson
The demodex gatoi !  Figaro would very likely NOT have gotten the parasite
if the FeLV wasn't present.
Still working on that & ear mites- oral ivermectin every other day and a
topical product meant to be used once/ mo Vet said to apply every 2 wks for
approx 6 wks. Ear mites are quite stubborn, but the skin mites are
succuming- maybe even OFF him now.
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[Felvtalk] Thank you all

2017-03-04 Thread Jennifer Olson
Figaro has appointment Mon afternoon now. All the Z's protocol, retesting &
neutering will get addressed SOON   =~D
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[Felvtalk] Fwd: Cont....

2017-03-03 Thread Jennifer Olson
-- Forwarded message --
From: "Jennifer Olson" <j13w0l...@gmail.com>
Date: Mar 2, 2017 2:51 PM
Subject: Cont
To: "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bcha...@optonline.net>
Cc:

Sometimes I feel like he would've been better without my "help".
Other times I feel like- SCREW IT,  come on upstairs- but I don't need
Figaro's spraying setting off ANY of the other 3 spraying too! And I don't
know that the mites (skin or ear) are totally gone yet.   =~{
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[Felvtalk] Fwd: My intention has been...

2017-03-03 Thread Jennifer Olson
-- Forwarded message --
From: "Jennifer Olson" <j13w0l...@gmail.com>
Date: Mar 2, 2017 2:45 PM
Subject: My intention has been...
To: "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bcha...@optonline.net>
Cc:

Integrate Figaro after he heals from neutering. He is due to be retested
for FeLV, and I will be discussing his health & getting neutered ASAP! as
well as putting him on doxy, & whether to wait a lil if he does start doxy.
Concern being surgery stressing him & virus becomming an issue.
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[Felvtalk] In my defense...

2017-03-02 Thread Jennifer Olson
Figaro has urinated on the bed at least once before (didn't wake me up, but
I was in bed), on a wall & somewhere yet to be discovered (somehow he got
it on back of his neck that time!). I will try to find that other product
Margo recommends.
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[Felvtalk] Losing patience

2017-03-02 Thread Jennifer Olson
Figaro is adorable, but I'm so frustrated with the whole situation-
I'm begining to consider other livining arrangements... aka placement...

On Mar 2, 2017 3:19 AM, "ROBERT CHAPEL"  wrote:

Thanks Amani... this is very helpful and I will do my best to locate these
references... preferably the full articles if they don't charge too much
for them ( I no longer work in hospitals and don't have access to full
medical databases ( for free)...

VERY interesting about the ebola virus and the eyes it does indeed
appear that the virus established a foothold in Yogi's eyes   BUT... it
was also via the eyes that I was able to introduce antiviral meds that my
Veterinary opthalmologist was using off label.  Of course the target
for these meds was the Herpes Virusbut it too ,is,  a retro Virus and
these meds "might" have had some effect on the FeLV virus as well
had I used them for a longer time ( though I would have had to have sold my
house to do so : )
You can find ALL sorts of aid for these Anti Virals if you are using them
for HIV or Herpes 1 or 2 but they are hard to locate at discount for
Veterinary Use.  I really am VERY concerned at the price of Vet
services as I feel they will ultimately reduce the number of pet
owners.  I was able to easily afford to keep 4 cats on a rather low
Social Worker income back in the 80's but keeping one ill FeLV in 2017 can
easily add 400.00 a month to ones expenses  Many people who might
formerly have adopted multiple cats will now only take in one or  two.
All the more reason for forums like ours as it is up to us to share our
knowledge and experiences to help each other avoid total reliance on a
veterinary system that is not always working to preserve our FeLV cats
lives.


Hi Bob
>
> I am unable to attach the literature regarding the ability of Doxycycline
> to interfere with RNA replication and/or interfere with viral infection,
> but here are a few titles to look up on the Internet:
>
> - Antiviral activity of doxycycline against vesicular stomatitis virus in
> vitro - FEMS Microbiol Lett. 2015
>
> - Control of small inhibitory RNA levels and RNA interference by
> doxycycline induced activation of a minimal RNA polymerase III promoter -
> 2006 Nucleic Acids Res. 34
>
> - Inhibitory effect of doxycycline against dengue virus replication in
> vitro - October 2013 Archives of Virology 159(4)
> - Study of the antiviral activity of some derivatives of tetracycline and
> non-steroid anti-inflammatory drugs towards dengue virus - August 2013
> Tropical Biomedicine 30(4):1-10   (BY THE WAY - DOXYCYCLINE IS A
> TETRACYCLINE)
>
> - A study of the clinical activity of a gel combining monocaprin and
> doxycycline: a novel treatment for herpes labialis. (2012) J Oral Path Med
> 41:61-67
>
>
>
> The following paper was interesting in that it explored the role of
> Doxycycline in inhibiting tumour cell proliferation, angiogenesis,
> metastasis and migration of cancerous cells (including leukemic cells) from
> the bone marrow:
>
> - Doxycycline inhibits leukemic cell migration via inhibition of matrix
> metalloproteinases and phosphorylation of focal adhesion kinase - published
> Molecular Medicine Reports, September 2015 Vol. 12, Issue 3.
>
>
> Amani
>
> P.S. - By the way, Bob. The other thing that was featured in that show
> last night about the fight against Ebola, is that the same doctor who
> contracted it and was declared symptom-free, later began to develop eye
> problems and when they examined his eye, they found millions of the Ebola
> viruses in the eye. The programme explained that the eye was an area of
> reduced immunity in the body, and thus, the virus had found a breeding
> ground where it remained, though it had been cleared from the rest of the
> body. They therefore began treating the doctor's eye, and the treatment was
> ultimately successful. It brought to mind the problems Yogi had had with
> his eyes, and I wondered if the answer was similar - that the virus had had
> a toe-hold there.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: March-01-17 5:02 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Knowing the " whys" of Win/Pred/Doxy
>
> Amani...
>
> If we consider the extended time frame for Doxy and multiple courses of
> other ABX it makes a certain "intuitive" sense that a non bacterial
> infection is going to require a longer period of time to have whatever
> non-specific ( read... not related to bacterial infection necessarily)...?
> So little research money appears to be devoted to FeLV that I don't know
> that we'll know in the next decade unless the continuing demands of
> consumers ( who do NOT want to hear , in this day and age of " Miracles")
> that there is _ no hope_ for their much loved
> pets) alter this course.??? I STILL bristle when I think of the closed
> minds 

Re: [Felvtalk] Knowing the " whys" of Win/Pred/Doxy

2017-03-01 Thread Jennifer Olson
Alright-  Figaro just pee'd on my bed right- next to me- after I cleaned
box (and then his paws because he made loose poop & got litter ETC on the
bed) caught him in the act. He hasn't been neutered yet. I threw my bedding
into washer, sprayed bed with "Nature's Miracle- No Spray" & resolved I am
NOT remaking bed...
I can hear him crying, like he does when I AM there trying to go to sleep.
Overnight is the biggest lump of time I can be with him so he isn't
COMPLETELY isolated, alone I hate this.
Do I just go to bed now upstairs, or TRY to lay in a dry spot with new
blankets?
='~{

On Mar 1, 2017 4:26 PM,  wrote:

> AMEN TO THAT!  I especially get angry that they do not consider
> alternative medicine a viable tratment.  Unless I get a broken arm, I first
> try alternative meds.  I have not had a flu shot for over 8 years and have
> not had a cold or flu.  I use ginger, turmeric, garlic, onion, cinnamon as
> my anti flu meds.  I just wish we knew more about animals (cats) and herbs,
> which is safe or not safe to use.  Then when something comes up on a
> weekend/holiday and I cannot et my cat to the vet, I would be able to start
> treatment  until I can get to a vet.
>
>  ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
> > Amani...
>
> If we consider the extended time frame for Doxy and multiple courses of
> other ABX it makes a certain "intuitive" sense that a non bacterial
> infection is going to require a longer period of time to have whatever
> non-specific ( read... not related to bacterial infection
> necessarily)...  So little research money appears to be devoted to FeLV
> that I don't know that we'll know in the next decade unless the
> continuing demands of consumers ( who do NOT want to hear , in this day
> and age of " Miracles") that there is _ no hope_ for their much loved
> pets) alter this course.I STILL bristle when I think of the closed
> minds in the medical and Veterinary community and SO resent that
> businessmen( Yes...that is what the vast majority are turning into now
> that practices are being forced to consolidate into " Health Systems")..
> hold the power of life and death over us AND our pets.   On the plus
> side with the business model being what it is ( and in contrast to
> the lost art of " professionalism")  The CONSUMER is always right.  Vets
> will be forced, in the future, to work more closely with the "
> customers" wishes as attachment to a given vet will become less common
> as time goes on and people will " practice shop " for the answers they
> want until such time as Vet services become so expensive that insurance
> becomes a " must have " and ultimately go the way of medicine (
> ie...being confined to a slate of approved practitioners...
> againlimiting choice)...  But... there are some years to go before
> that happens and I feel that there IS a window of opportunity happening
> NOW and for the next few  years for people to have some real influence
> on how Vets practice   I am betting, for example, that had I had the
> money to go to a more " well to do " neighborhood where people are more
> demanding and better informed I could have found a vet to cooperate...
> Here in the "sticks" people just blindly accept what the vet has to say
> and they still enjoy the freedom of calling all the shots.   This
> WILL end over the next couple of years.  I learned a lot with this first
> experience and made mistakes that I WILL NOT make again.
>
> BTW  Do you have any literature in support of the AntiRNA effects of
> Doxy... I am SO happy that there are still a couple of things out
> there that we still can get our hands on that don't have to pass muster
> with script pad businessmen  STILL I am also not advocating the the
> medically ill prepared take it upon themselves to decide that THEY will
> decide what is best for their animal... If we are going to go above and
> beyond our Vets advice it would best be with very sound reasoning and an
> EXCELLENT understanding of what we are doing and why.   Anything less
> and the community of Veterinary practitioners could easily dismiss our
> successes as "dumb luck" or ascribe them to " unknown" factors.  I
> think this is particularly important re: Winstrol/Pred/Doxy   I'd hate
> to see people going to their vets asking for this combination of drugs
> and really having an inadequate understanding of why they are asking for
> beyond the fact that it's been recommended on our forum...For
> myself... I am clear on the Whys of Winstrol and Doxy ( though will be
> looking for more lit support on the RNA effects of Doxy) but not clear
> on the whys of the Pred.
> Sorry for taking up so much space here but I'm having an " attack " of
> missing my little guy and am tremulous about being caught in the same
> position if I take in another FeLV as I am inclined to do
>
> >
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[Felvtalk] Doxy

2017-03-01 Thread Jennifer Olson
Thanks again, VERY grateful !
Jen
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Re: [Felvtalk] Zander's Protocol

2017-03-01 Thread Jennifer Olson
Thank you for clarifying for me so quickly ! ! !
My new fur-baby, now called Figaro (husband named because this stray was
"singing" outside on COLD morning Dec 22nd), is not sick with anything r/t
being FeLV+ presently.
What I understand is this regimen is for cats in hemodynamic crisis?
Do you advise any action now, to suppress the leukemia virus?
Jen

On Mar 1, 2017 12:09 PM, "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:

> No – it’s just what I call it, in honour of my baby boy, Zander. I have
> just referred to it as such, here, among friends.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Jennifer Olson
> *Sent:* March-01-17 1:07 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Zander's Protocol
>
>
>
> I tried searching for Zander's protocol online with no results. Is this a
> term or phrase coined here, or widely used in veterinary medicine?
>
> Thx, Jen
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[Felvtalk] Zander's Protocol

2017-03-01 Thread Jennifer Olson
I tried searching for Zander's protocol online with no results. Is this a
term or phrase coined here, or widely used in veterinary medicine?
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Re: [Felvtalk] embarassed..re: FeLV

2017-02-11 Thread Jennifer Olson
AMEN !

On Feb 11, 2017 8:15 PM, "Sandy" <swacht1...@comcast.net> wrote:

> the more information the better
>
> --
> *From: *"Katherine K." <kaths...@gmail.com>
> *To: *felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent: *Friday, February 10, 2017 2:10:59 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Felvtalk] embarassed..re: FeLV
>
> I see those of us with FeLV cats as being their biggest
> advocates. Whenever possible, we should help to educate others and dispel
> the myths surrounding them to help give them a chance at life.
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 12:44 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Roxanne
>> Perhaps I missed something along the way... another email perhaps??   I'm
>> not sure if I understand your question...  Why would you have concerns
>> about letting people know you have FeLV catsand moreover why would you
>> feel somehow badly that you are NOT embarassed.  I've never noted any
>> discrimination on the part of other cat owners against people with FeLV
>> cats  The question took me so offguard that I feel I MUST have missed
>> something along the way ( eg... you run a pet care business or something
>> similiar   ?? Apart from anything like that I don't see the
>> downside ( even potentially) of letting people know that you are kind
>> enough to look after animals that have special needs...
>>
>>
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>>> [Felvtalk] Nasal polyp
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>>> I?ve experienced nose issues in two cats, but in both, the problems were
>>> serious (one cancerous and one some sort of abscess which eventually
>>> impinged on the brain, causing a coma). Sounds like yours isn?t serious,
>>> which is a good thing. But, yeah, I?ve had to deal with blood all over the
>>> place as well.
>>>
>>> Amani
>>>
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Katherine K.
>>> Sent: February-09-17 4:19 PM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Nasal polyp
>>>
>>> Anyone here ever dealt with a nasal polyp?
>>>
>>> My 15 yo FeLV cat started having a chronic bloody nose (in one nostril
>>> only) about 6 weeks ago. We did a shot of Convenia, then tried 2 weeks of
>>> azithromycin antibiotics. Didn't help.
>>>
>>> I took him in for a follow up yesterday and upon closer inspection we
>>> discovered a polyp visible just on the inside of his nostril. It was too
>>> small to remove with tweezers, so the vet prescribed another round of
>>> azithromycin to kep infection at bay, and suggested we wait a month or 3
>>> for it to grow bigger so we can remove it.
>>>
>>> I'm just glad it's not cancerous, but the poor guy has sneezing fits
>>> daily, wakes up with dried blood crusted around his nostril each morning,
>>> and I'm wiping bloody specks off my floors and walls (from the sneezes.
>>> Looks like a mini crime scene in my house :-P)
>>>
>>> Curious if anyone else has had to help 

Re: [Felvtalk] age

2017-02-10 Thread Jennifer Olson
I really feel for you & the situation. Dealing with almost the same issues
here. I'm praying for you.
Jen

On Feb 9, 2017 3:14 PM, "Rebecca Pruett" <rpruettphotogra...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> The cat I rescued from my neighborhood September of last year is probably
> around 7-8 years old and just got a positive IFA for FeLV. She also has FIV
> and bartonella (which was treated with an antibiotic. She is missing many
> of her teeth and the rest need to be pulled. She has good and bad days. I
> feel so bad having to keep her quarantined in a bathroom but she isn't a
> fan of other cats and I don't want my cats exposed. I got her a cat tree so
> she can sit and look out the window and she seems happy I just wish I could
> find her a forever home. I've been trying for months with no luck. She's
> such a sweet cat.
>
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 4:07 PM Katherine K. <kaths...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My cat was diagnosed at age 11. He's about to turn 15. His health has
>> been up and down since the diagnosis.
>>
>> My other cat (who is negative) gets vaccinated yearly since his
>> diagnosis. They were already living together so any risk of exposure had
>> already happened. After almost 4 years, she is still negative.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 3:03 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Jennifer, how old are your other cats? Are they vaccinated for FeLV? I
>> would speak with your vet, but I have never ever had a cat spread FeLV to
>> another cat in my household. I might be more worried if your other cats are
>> just kittens, but if they are adults, just take the precaution of
>> vaccinating them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Amani
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
>> Of *Jennifer Olson
>> *Sent:* February-09-17 2:58 PM
>> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] age
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 22nd, 2016 an ADORABLE young male kitty arrived crying @ our home.
>> We already have 3 cats & a dog, so we tried to find him a home. After a
>> month, and having allowed him inside (kept seperate from our zoo) due to
>> lethally cold weather, we decided he was here to stay. I was DEVASTATED
>> when he tested positive for FeLV. My problem isn't whether to give him a
>> chance at as long of a happy life he may have ahead of him, but HOW !  We
>> can't keep him alone in the basement bedroom forever, there isn't even a
>> decent sized window for him & my heart breaks that the only time I can give
>> him is to sleep by him at night. The few times I check in on him during the
>> day are so brief! He has SUCH character, and is SO handsome. I don't know
>> how he ended up at our home, unless he was dumped or left a nearby farm.
>>
>> WHERE are the rescue agencies for FeLV+ cats ? ? ? Currently I'm treating
>> him for skin mites (has ear mites TOO) so he MIGHT be deemed "adoptable" at
>> a shelter that does try adopting out FeLV+ cats. The precautions necessary
>> to keep the mites, FeLV, oh yes- AND worms (had to treat EVERYONE) from
>> spreading is also wearing me out.
>>
>> CAN  ANYONE  HELP  US ?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2017 5:12 PM, <dlg...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>
>> My Annie is now 9 years old and was diagnosed as positive when I got her
>> at age 4.  She recently started sneezing and had runny eyes so off to the
>> vet we went.  She gave her a shot of antibiotic and some more to take at
>> home.  She seems to be improving, no more sniffles or runny eyes.  So far
>> the discharges have been clear but I did not want to wait a few days to be
>> sure.  He other problem is a lame left front leg.  It is not broken and the
>> vet thinks she probably sprained it when jumping dow from high places,
>> which she does a lot trying to avoid Harley who is a real pest these winter
>> days.  If he cannot get outside, he is a terrorist on 4 legs, knocks things
>> down, over, stares at me.
>>
>>  Marlene Snowman <tessie1...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Sheila, my little Bear is 1.5 years old and I've had her since she
>> was a little more than 1 month old. She was very ill and tested positive
>> from entry into my life. She appears healthy with good appetite with the
>> exception of a nasal infection that the vet has been unable to remedy.
>> >
>> > I have no other personal experience with Felv although I have work
>> colleagues who have cats that are 6 years old and appearing healthy.
>> >
>> >

[Felvtalk] Knowledge is power

2017-02-10 Thread Jennifer Olson
If I had known about the need for FeLV+ homes before I got my other cats, I
just might have started a little refuge myself. How worried SHOULD we be
about keeping the FeLV+ stray I've become attached to over the last few
weeks?
Worrying is ruining quality of life here...
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Re: [Felvtalk] age

2017-02-10 Thread Jennifer Olson
MN.  Right now I'm about to switch from oral ivermectin to Feline Advantage
Multi.
His fur appears to be growing back, and he must be scratching less because
nearly all of the scabs/ bumps are gone- BUT it would be nice to destroy
the mites FASTER, & without the nasty tasting oral.
Your thoughts?
Jen

On Feb 9, 2017 4:42 PM, "Margo" <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Hi Jennifer,
>
> Thank you for taking him :)
>
> What are you using to treat him for mites and worms? It
> shouldn't be difficult to keep them under control after initial treatment,
> so is something else going on?
>
> Where are you? No need to be specific, just general area, and
> maybe someone can offer more "local" advice. V take FeLV+ cats.
>
> Margo
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jennifer Olson
> Sent: Feb 9, 2017 2:58 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] age
>
> On Dec 22nd, 2016 an ADORABLE young male kitty arrived crying @ our home.
> We already have 3 cats & a dog, so we tried to find him a home. After a
> month, and having allowed him inside (kept seperate from our zoo) due to
> lethally cold weather, we decided he was here to stay. I was DEVASTATED
> when he tested positive for FeLV. My problem isn't whether to give him a
> chance at as long of a happy life he may have ahead of him, but HOW !  We
> can't keep him alone in the basement bedroom forever, there isn't even a
> decent sized window for him & my heart breaks that the only time I can give
> him is to sleep by him at night. The few times I check in on him during the
> day are so brief! He has SUCH character, and is SO handsome. I don't know
> how he ended up at our home, unless he was dumped or left a nearby farm.
> WHERE are the rescue agencies for FeLV+ cats ? ? ? Currently I'm treating
> him for skin mites (has ear mites TOO) so he MIGHT be deemed "adoptable" at
> a shelter that does try adopting out FeLV+ cats. The precautions necessary
> to keep the mites, FeLV, oh yes- AND worms (had to treat EVERYONE) from
> spreading is also wearing me out.
> CAN  ANYONE  HELP  US ?
>
> On Feb 8, 2017 5:12 PM, <dlg...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
>> My Annie is now 9 years old and was diagnosed as positive when I got her
>> at age 4.  She recently started sneezing and had runny eyes so off to the
>> vet we went.  She gave her a shot of antibiotic and some more to take at
>> home.  She seems to be improving, no more sniffles or runny eyes.  So far
>> the discharges have been clear but I did not want to wait a few days to be
>> sure.  He other problem is a lame left front leg.  It is not broken and the
>> vet thinks she probably sprained it when jumping dow from high places,
>> which she does a lot trying to avoid Harley who is a real pest these winter
>> days.  If he cannot get outside, he is a terrorist on 4 legs, knocks things
>> down, over, stares at me.
>>
>>  Marlene Snowman <tessie1...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Sheila, my little Bear is 1.5 years old and I've had her since she
>> was a little more than 1 month old. She was very ill and tested positive
>> from entry into my life. She appears healthy with good appetite with the
>> exception of a nasal infection that the vet has been unable to remedy.
>> >
>> > I have no other personal experience with Felv although I have work
>> colleagues who have cats that are 6 years old and appearing healthy.
>> >
>> > I'm hoping that all our fur babies have longevity and a quality of life
>> too.
>> >
>> > Marlene
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > > On Feb 8, 2017, at 4:22 PM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium <
>> sheila.armstrong-br...@ssa.gov> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I am learning a lot about FELV cats since I found my Skylar.  Just
>> wondering about how old is the oldest cat that lived with it.  I had the
>> IFA test done and that is positive also even though he is perfectly healthy
>> at the moment.  He will be 2 years old this month, I found him a year ago.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Katherine, Rebecca and Jennifer

2017-02-10 Thread Jennifer Olson
I'm new   =~}

On Feb 10, 2017 7:50 AM, "Rebecca Pruett" 
wrote:

> I am .
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 8:36 AM Katherine K.  wrote:
>
>> I'm not a new member. Been on here for about 4 years.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 11:51 PM,  wrote:
>>
>> Are you all new members?  I never get your emails except in "trash".  How
>> do I get these people coming to my inbox?  I know I must have missed a few
>> emails because of this.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline leuk.

2017-02-10 Thread Jennifer Olson
BE  PROUD ! ! !   I wish I could find someone as caring here to take an
adorable young male stray that showed up on Dec 22nd & has tested pos. I'm
overwhelmed with the 3 cats (all FeLV neg) & 1 large dog we already have.
God bless you!
Jen

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wrote:

> I need some opinions I currently have one feline leukemia cat and someone
> as of now is going to give me there leukemia cat. they changed their mind
> for about 3 weeks now. My question is for two years I've not told anyone
> that I have had and have a cat with feline leukemia I don't want people to
> judge me. But I feel bad cuz I'm not embarrassed to own a feline leukemia
> cats. My current cat is now two years past his diagnosis. Do I share with
> my friends and then Facebook or do I maintain keeping the secret
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Re: [Felvtalk] age

2017-02-09 Thread Jennifer Olson
On Dec 22nd, 2016 an ADORABLE young male kitty arrived crying @ our home.
We already have 3 cats & a dog, so we tried to find him a home. After a
month, and having allowed him inside (kept seperate from our zoo) due to
lethally cold weather, we decided he was here to stay. I was DEVASTATED
when he tested positive for FeLV. My problem isn't whether to give him a
chance at as long of a happy life he may have ahead of him, but HOW !  We
can't keep him alone in the basement bedroom forever, there isn't even a
decent sized window for him & my heart breaks that the only time I can give
him is to sleep by him at night. The few times I check in on him during the
day are so brief! He has SUCH character, and is SO handsome. I don't know
how he ended up at our home, unless he was dumped or left a nearby farm.
WHERE are the rescue agencies for FeLV+ cats ? ? ? Currently I'm treating
him for skin mites (has ear mites TOO) so he MIGHT be deemed "adoptable" at
a shelter that does try adopting out FeLV+ cats. The precautions necessary
to keep the mites, FeLV, oh yes- AND worms (had to treat EVERYONE) from
spreading is also wearing me out.
CAN  ANYONE  HELP  US ?

On Feb 8, 2017 5:12 PM,  wrote:

> My Annie is now 9 years old and was diagnosed as positive when I got her
> at age 4.  She recently started sneezing and had runny eyes so off to the
> vet we went.  She gave her a shot of antibiotic and some more to take at
> home.  She seems to be improving, no more sniffles or runny eyes.  So far
> the discharges have been clear but I did not want to wait a few days to be
> sure.  He other problem is a lame left front leg.  It is not broken and the
> vet thinks she probably sprained it when jumping dow from high places,
> which she does a lot trying to avoid Harley who is a real pest these winter
> days.  If he cannot get outside, he is a terrorist on 4 legs, knocks things
> down, over, stares at me.
>
>  Marlene Snowman  wrote:
> > Hi Sheila, my little Bear is 1.5 years old and I've had her since she
> was a little more than 1 month old. She was very ill and tested positive
> from entry into my life. She appears healthy with good appetite with the
> exception of a nasal infection that the vet has been unable to remedy.
> >
> > I have no other personal experience with Felv although I have work
> colleagues who have cats that are 6 years old and appearing healthy.
> >
> > I'm hoping that all our fur babies have longevity and a quality of life
> too.
> >
> > Marlene
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Feb 8, 2017, at 4:22 PM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium <
> sheila.armstrong-br...@ssa.gov> wrote:
> > >
> > > I am learning a lot about FELV cats since I found my Skylar.  Just
> wondering about how old is the oldest cat that lived with it.  I had the
> IFA test done and that is positive also even though he is perfectly healthy
> at the moment.  He will be 2 years old this month, I found him a year ago.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlin has gone to the bridge

2015-09-27 Thread Jennifer Lewis
We have a screen door (yes indoors) so Brynn is not so alone. As well, we are 
2, so Jeff is in there (Our office, her suite) with her a lot. BTW, the screen 
door has panels on the bottom so no kissy faces.
jen
On Sep 27, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Kelley S wrote:

> I feel really bad, because I have a healthy cat population room that I live 
> in with the healthy population cats, and a felv+ room, and no matter how much 
> time I spend in the felv+ room, it is never enough, and obviously not as much 
> time as I spend in the healthy population room.  I was just about to mix 
> them, because I had a kitten who is now over a year and has had both felv 
> shots, but I hadn't yet.  I think what I will do is order a condo, and put 
> her in it for at least a couple of hours a day out front for observation 
> purposes.  
> 
> On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 3:48 PM, kat  wrote:
> Dear Kelley,
>  
> Your pain says you "failed him" - But you gave him more love & care than he 
> would have gotten from anyone else.  Cats are stoic by nature - they don't 
> show illness until it's in the advanced state (I've been there too - we all 
> have).  It's so easy to look back & say "I should have..."  It's not so easy 
> to recognize it as it happens.  Yes, have your other FeLV+ kitty checked out 
> - it will help ease your mind & heart.  But please do not think you have 
> "failed" any of them.  Your love is more important than anything to them.
>  
> Sending you gentle hugs & purrs from my 'crew' to help ease your pain.  We 
> understand.
>  
> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>  
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 at 3:49 PM
> From: "Kelley S" 
> To: felvtalk 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Merlin has gone to the bridge
> I failed him.  I did not notice his symptoms in time.  Now I have his 
> "sister" (not blood related" by herself.  She is going to be miserable,she 
> does not like to be alone.  I had an appointment for 2 other cats on Monday.  
> I am switching her out with one of them so that I can get her completely 
> checked out.  Not that heart failure is contagious, but I need to be more on 
> top of my FELV+ cats, or now, cat.  I can't do this anymore, I don't know how 
> yall do it.  I don't have "too many" cats overall, but I do think I have "too 
> many" to handle many chronically ill (or potentially chronically ill).  I 
> guess any cat is "potentially chronically ill."  By the way, I fell even more 
> in love with this doctor when he told me he had taken home 2 FELV+ kittens 
> from the clinic and they died before 10 months old.  I read between the lines 
> that someone wanted their FELV+ kittens euthanized or did not want them when 
> they tested pos.  
>  
> On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Marsha  wrote:
> Kelley, I am so, so sorry to hear about Merlin.  Thanks for doing your best 
> and taking care of him as you did.  Sometimes love just isn't enough to keep 
> them here, and they have to move on to the next realm.  Out of our sight and 
> hearing, but never disconnected from our hearts.
> 
> Soft headbonks and purrs from FeLV+ Brock and me, and my Murrlin too.
> 
> Marsha
> 
> 
> On 9/27/2015 2:08 PM, Kelley S wrote:
> They say his heart gave out.
> 
> Kelley
>  
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Very worried about Merlin

2015-09-26 Thread Jennifer Lewis
Best wishes and prayers
On Sep 26, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Kelley S wrote:

> Well, I got him up to the vet.  He is dehydrated and had lost weight.   He 
> has an ulcer on his tongue but nothing worse than some he has had in the past 
> and his mouth looked better than I expected, though I was hoping it was 
> something like  that that a steroid shot would help. The primary issues the 
> FELV has caused him in the past have been stomatitis and mouth ulcers and 
> persistent uri.   His body temp is low.  I forget the number but at least 2 
> degrees too low.  They are keeping him and giving him supportive care while 
> they try to figure out what is wrong.  They have him on a heating pad and are 
> administering fluids.  I left him there and then we went to get something to 
> eat because I was shaky.  I have now been up over 24 hours.  I just called 
> and he did eat a tablespoon and a half of food on his own for them, so 
> perhaps his condition is not as dire as I feared, though his condition 
> remains guarded.  I hope any of this made sense I'm more tired than I have 
> been in a long time and I want to try to stay up til 6 for the vet's call or 
> I will never wake up when the phone rings 
> 
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Kelley S  wrote:
> We have an appointment at 9:40.  Bless Dr Smith I am sure he was quite booked 
> today.
> 
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Lance  wrote:
> Healing vibes for Merlin. Please let us know what you find out. 
> 
> Best hopes and wishes,
> 
> Lance
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2015, at 6:27 AM, Kelley S  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks.  Dr Smith opens up at 8, so I'm waiting for it to be 8.
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 6:20 AM, kat  wrote:
>> Kelley,
>>  
>> Sending stay-strong, healing prayers to both you & Merlin.  Please let us 
>> know what the vet says.
>>  
>> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>>  
>> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 at 4:10 AM
>> From: "Kelley S" 
>> To: felvtalk 
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Very worried about Merlin
>> Hi all,
>>  
>> Merlin has stopped eating his wet food.  I had noticed more and more food 
>> remaining in the FELV cat room and watched him carefully tonight.  He is 
>> also not grooming.  He DID pass a normal amount of stool (which I guess 
>> means he has been eating something), unfortunately he passed the stool on 
>> his blankie and then lay down right there.  I am going to try to get him 
>> into the vet in the am, but it is Saturday and I know he will be busy.  If 
>> he can't work me in I am going to at least try to get some AD and see if I 
>> can syringe feed it to him.
>>  
>> Kelley
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Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

2015-09-21 Thread Jennifer Lewis
So sorry. 
One of my non-Leuk kitties is about 20 and we are looking at winding down 
ourselves for the Big Man (not so big any more). He is hyperthyroid and his 
meds have advanced his CRF, and he has heart issues. No heroics... tried that 
on my darling Buff and will never forgive myself. 
Our plan now is for his maximum comfort and life quality, as hard as it is for 
us. 
It's very hard... but I do recommend the same path. For you and for Bella.

Our hearts are with you~
Jennifer, Manny Man, Brynn, Wiggles, Bev and The Goof 
On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:37 AM, simon95 wrote:

> My little bella is very sick she has lythomy in her kidneys she hasnt eaten 
> in 3 days i am force feeding her and she is loosing weight rapidly. 
> 
> 
> Sent from Samsung Mobile
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: "Katherine K."
> Date:2015/09/21 17:24 (GMT+01:00)
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list
> 
> We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual check 
> up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old cat 
> Krammer used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May unfortunately, 
> and is now down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of Prednisolone to stimulate 
> appetite. I'm debating whether to buy more LTCI injections - he's had them 
> monthly for the past 2 years but they're just so costly and hard to measure 
> if they actually do anything.  Sigh.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis <blonded...@mac.com> wrote:
> All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
> Jennifer L
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:
> 
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in
> > awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well.
> > Best wishes.
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] New to the group

2015-09-21 Thread Jennifer Lewis
LOVE the names!
I recommend starting them on Maitake d-fraction. The + kitties in particular as 
it is anti-cancer, but all is ok too. We even take it ourselves. Our Brynn just 
lays down and laps it. About 7-10 drops in a syringe of water.
Jen L
On Sep 21, 2015, at 10:01 AM, Sabrina Doyle wrote:

> Hi all my name is Sabrina. 1.5 years ago we decided to adopt a new kitten. 
> Mad Max, came from a spay clinic/rescue, very reputable. Our 2 Dizzy, 11 with 
> issues an a seizure disorder, and The Weasel age 3 at the time. All testing 
> of Max mom was negative. Got a call 6months later his brother got sick and 
> tested positive for FELV. The woman who surrendered the litter pointed them 
> to the wrong Mother. Max will be 2 Feb. 1 and has tested positive twice. 
> Since then we adopted Raven who we knew was positive. We have lots of love 
> but I am here to learn so I can give them the best care. Thanks for taking 
> the time to read.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

2015-09-21 Thread Jennifer Lewis
All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
Jennifer L
On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in 
> awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well. 
> Best wishes.
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] 4 month old kitten with Feline Leukemia

2015-06-28 Thread Jennifer Lewis
Hi
I am so sorry to hear your little Oreo has tested +. 

Try anything you can to get him to eat. Tempt him with any and every thing. He 
has to eat. Tuna juice is a good one, as is rotisserie chicken. I don't think 
steroids are a good idea...maybe a bit drastic and they are very hard on his 
system, especially as he is so young. Brynn is on steroids for her 
stomatitis... we really wish there was another option for her

We have Brynn on Maitake D fraction. She takes the diluted drops very easily. I 
am convinced they are helping her as aside from her stomatits she is completely 
asymptomatic

Jennifer


On Jun 28, 2015, at 7:13 AM, KATHLEEN BUSO wrote:

 Hi, I am looking for advice about our little Oreo. We adopted him at 9 weeks 
 from a rescue group. His mom was a stray who was ill when she had her 
 kittens. The kittens were eventually bottle fed and had a rough start in 
 life, but then seemed to recover and were adopted out. About two weeks ago, 
 our Oreo started to show signs of illness. His inner third eyelid came out, 
 and then he started running a fever. I took him to the Rescue's vet, and she 
 gave me antibiotics and some metacam to bring down the fever. She said the 
 mom had been tested for a bunch of viruses, including feline leukemia and 
 came back negative, so there was no reason to test Oreo. A week later, he was 
 worse so I took him to another vet and she tested him and told me he tested 
 positive for feline leukemia. Up until yesterday, he seemed to still have a 
 fairly good appetite but was sleeping a lot and showing symptoms of upper 
 respiratory infection. Today he is uninterested in food and seems much worse. 
 I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions that would help, or should I 
 just accept that there's nothing that can be done? We were considering trying 
 the LCTI drug but we live in Canada so we would have to travel into the 
 States to get it. It would be about a 3.5 hour drive there and would be hard 
 on Oreo, as he hates the car. Has anyone used LCTI and had any success with 
 it? Is there anything else I can do for Oreo now, to help him feel better, 
 like steroids? Any suggestions or advice would be very much appreciated. 
 
 Thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] My Harley is gone

2015-05-16 Thread Jennifer Lewis
I am so sorry Marsha. I hope that he is with my FeLV Smoosh (We lost her at 14 
months in July) and my heart and soul kitty Buffcat (CRF) who crossed last week 
after being the best friend I have ever known for over 17 years.

Jennifer
On May 15, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Marsha wrote:

 My sweet little FeLV+ Harley, just barely 5 years old, went to join his buddy 
 Milkdud across the Rainbow Bridge today.  There is a pet cremation service 
 about an hour from me that does individual cremations, and you can arrange to 
 attend if you want to.  I put his catnip heart in with him, and a dandelion 
 blossom, covered him with the petals from a red rose, and then let some of my 
 tears drop onto him.  I sat with him outside in a glider chair until they 
 were ready for him.  The weather was nice, and I looked out into a peaceful 
 wooded area.  Only the very slightest breeze, so the rose petals didn't blow 
 away.  I carried him inside when they were ready, but didn't remain for the 
 process.  I chose an urn that looks like a black cat (like Harley) crouching 
 to pounce on a mouse.  I may put it in his favorite hunting spot, if it 
 doesn't upset Brock (Harley's FeLV+ roommate).
 
 The last several days, Harley could only have broth (tuna juice, the juice 
 from Fancy Feast Appetizers, etc.) and he had a difficult time getting even 
 that down due to the growth of his cancer.  Rather than take the chance of 
 him choking on his broth over the weekend, I took him to the vet to help him 
 cross over.  He remained in bed nearly all the time the last 3 days, but 
 thanks to his pain meds, he did enjoy some pets, tummy rubs, and naps in his 
 last days.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rehome one-year-old grey cat

2015-05-09 Thread Jennifer Lewis
Where?
On May 9, 2015, at 3:08 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 If youi can afford it, keep him/her.  I have a nine year old that was 
 diagnosed at age 4.  She is still healthy as can be.  None of my other cats 
 has contracted FELV.
 
 
  Maria Hunter maria.hunte...@cox.net wrote: 
 
 Hello, I am trying to find new homes for my sisters cats that she has been 
 taking care of for a year now. The next door neighbor complained and was 
 going to have them picked up by animal control. Therefore I had them brought 
 to my garage by the help of a Cat rescue inc. volunteer. I have been trying 
 to get help for adoption of five cats. Unfortunately I had one of them fixed 
 yesterday and he is diagnosed with feline leukemia. Trying to find a new 
 home for him. Any suggestions?
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Harley Brock

2015-04-28 Thread Jennifer Lewis
Oh My. Peace to you and your kitty kids
On Apr 28, 2015, at 9:25 PM, Kelley S wrote:

 I'm so sorry.  There is a good Yahoo feline heart disease group.  I lost my 
 Missy to heart disease.  
 
 On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:
 Harley has been with me 4.5 years, since he was a kitten of almost 4 months 
 old, FeLV+ since then.  Brock was adopted as a companion for Harley 7 months 
 ago, after Harley's FeLV+ buddy Milkdud died last May.
 
 Harley was diagnosed with cancer in the middle ear  jaw area in March, and 
 he had one palliative radiation treatment at the end of March.  He was 
 supposed to get his 2nd treatment a few days later, and the tumor had grown 
 just enough that he could not be intubated. No anesthesia = no radiation 
 treatment.  The tumor is causing some pressure behind his right eye, and is 
 pressing on the inner ear also, causing balance issues sometimes.  He gets 
 meloxicam and buprenorphine (extended release) every 3 days, and this keeps 
 him comfortable enough to eat (soft food  liquid), groom a little, roll over 
 for belly rubs, and once in a while bat a toy, scratch on his Turbo Scratcher 
 with the light-up ball, or rub his nose on a catnip toy.
 
 Brock gave me a shock.  I took him in for a voracious appetite without 
 gaining weight, and itchiness around the head and neck, thinking maybe 
 hyperthyroidism.  Blood work showed potential kidney issue, urinalysis the 
 same, high blood pressure.  An ultrasound was scheduled to look at the 
 kidneys, and everybody was surprise to find he had free fluid in his 
 abdominal area.  110 cc of chyle was drawn off, needle aspirations taken of 
 kidney and liver.  Almost certainly lymphoma, they thought.  Cytology came 
 back negative for that, and he went to see a cardiologist and get an 
 echocardiogram.  Final diagnosis:  restrictive cardiomyopathy with congestive 
 heart failure.  He is only 4-5 years old.  He does not look or act like 
 anything is wrong, and the physical exam never suggested he had that pleural 
 effusion in there.  Now he is on 4 heart meds, and a potassium supplement.  
 The pleural effusion is under control for now, but I've been told this kind 
 of cardiomyopathy is the worst of 3 kinds.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Tested Postive for FeLV

2015-01-18 Thread Jennifer Lewis
I reached out to the only rescuer I know in TX but no joy. Sorry
Jen
On Jan 18, 2015, at 3:26 AM, Lee Evans wrote:

 I was given this stray by a person with whom I used to do rescue. I am now 
 out of the rescue business and have over 30 cats who were not adoptable for 
 one reason or another. They are an aging group of cats. Occasionally I would 
 take in a FeLv+ cat to see if he or she would turn negative and most of them 
 did. The ones who did not went on to people who understood FeLV and were 
 willing to give the cat a chance at life. 
 
 Now I do have a problem. With  this white and spotted stray, who has 
 wonderful possibilities for being adopted, I do not have an isolation room. 
 Every room in my house has some type of regular cat or problem group(one eyed 
 FIV cats and cats who were losing weight and need extra nutrition). 
 
 Is there anyone on the list who lives in the San Antonio/Austin area or any 
 small town in this area who can foster the white cat to see if he overcomes 
 the virus? He has no symptoms except he eats like a pig and is underweight, 
 possibly from being an outside stray. I had a foster home for him but they 
 are not going to take a leukemia positive cat and my other two homes who do 
 accept leukemia  cats are over their limit already with cats who did not turn.
 
 Thanks for any help anyone can give. I do want this lovely little cat to have 
 a chance at a good life.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] 5 leukemia positive kittens

2014-11-14 Thread Jennifer Lewis
I agree with Katherine. My rescue group was just happy that I was able to take 
and keep 2 + kitties that otherwise would have gone to a sanctuary after their 
long term fosters failed and bailed on them. 
As desperate as all rescue groups are for funds, they never even suggested a 
fee for either kitty. My baby Smoosh lasted for 14 months as she inherited the 
FeLV from her mother. Brynn came to me as an adult and is still here with us. 
We often think of getting her a companion, but our living situation is tenuous 
right now and we're in a holding pattern.
On Nov 14, 2014, at 9:05 AM, Katherine K. wrote:

 Amy,
 I wish you the best of luck in placing these kittens. I had a litter of 4 
 positive kittens and tried very hard to find good homes for them, with no 
 luck, so they lived with me until they passed away, most before they were 1 
 year old. It was a very busy year, but they were a lovely little group and it 
 was nice seeing them stay together as a family for the time they had. 
 I have to agree with Kelley that a $115 adoption fee in reality is not likely 
 to help you get them placed in homes. In my experience, people just don't 
 want to adopt and get attached to, much less pay a fee for, a kitty who will 
 probably not live long. I was lucky enough to be working with a larger rescue 
 organization who covered their shots, spay/neuters and testing expenses. I 
 just provided the home, food, love and tears :) 
 I suggest making flyers with the best photos you can get, and make them sound 
 very friendly and loving. Play the sympathy card for all it's worth! :)
 Good luck,
 Katherine
 
 On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote:
 I must not be getting all the posts.  FELV+ kittens are very hard to 
 place,and the adoption fee you are charging doesn't make it easier.  I too do 
 rescue.   We adopted out a double positive cat to a person on this list. We 
 altered her, vaccinated her, tested and retested her.  We charged $25 and 
 today I doubt we'd charge that. She went to an excellent home, we got 
 pictures and updates.  She recently was euthanized due to severe 
 cardiomyopathy and lived 7.5 years.  I wish you the best of luck testing your 
 5.  Maybe someone here has room for a new kitty:)
 
 On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 8:53 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 I GOT ANNIE AS AN ADULT OF 4 YRS, BUT THE VET THINKS SHE WAS ALWAYS POSITIVE. 
  SHE HAD NEVER BEEN OUTSIDE THE LADY'S HOUSE AND WAS SPOILED ROTTEN.  I HAVE 
 HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH MY OTHER CATS WHO WERE ANYWHERE FROM 1 YEAR TO 10 YEARS. 
  MOST DIE OF OLD AGE AT 18 OR SO.  YOU DO HAVE TO BE VERY OBSERVANT AND CATCH 
 ANY PROBLEM BEFORE IT CAN GET STARTED.
 I AGREE, YOU HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE, BUT IF THEY REALLY LOVE CATS, THEY WILL 
 TAKE THE CHANCE AND LOVE THEM UNTIL THEY ARE GONE.  WHAT YOU GET FROM THEM IN 
 THAT SHORT TIME IS WORTH IT.
 
  Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote:
  Did she get leukemia as a kitten?  I have a 12 year old leuk positive but I 
  didn't get him til he was three so not sure if he had it as a kitten or an 
  adult.  I also just lost one of my leuk positives that was 12, also got her 
  around 4 so not sure when she got leukemia.  Anybody that I had with 
  leukemia as a kitten hasn't made it past 2 :(  I know any of them can defy 
  the odds and I always tell people that but I will warn people that there 
  may be heartbreak ahead.  I think it is only fair.  Never stopped me from 
  helping these little ones though.  They are all so special.
 
  We just had an entire litter convert at our rescue (which the vets and the 
  specialists have told me is really unusual) so I'm hoping for the best for 
  these little cuties.  So happy your Annie is doing well!!!
 
 
  
   From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
  To: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 9:28 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 5 leukemia positive kittens
 
 
  MAY NOT LIVE OVER A YEAR, BUT THEN YOU NEVER KNOW.  MY ANNIE IS NOW 8 YEARS 
  OLD .
 
 
 
 
   Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote:
   I volunteer for a rescue in Rochester, NY and have also owned leukemia 
   positive cats (rescues) for years.  We were recently contacted by 
   somebody that adopted out a kitten from a litter of 5 that she found 
   outdoors.  She got a call from the adopters that the kitten tested 
   positive and that the people needed to bring him back.  She wanted help 
   so we paid to have all 5 kittens tested this week.  All five are 
   positive.  The foster is willing to hold them for 30 days so we can 
   retest them but she does not want to euthanize (nor would we suggest 
   that) and she can't keep them.  She has five cats of her own and can't 
   take another 5.  She would like us to try to find adoptive homes for them.
  
   We have agreed to find homes for them if she will let us screen the homes 
   and do the adoptions through our rescue, Animal Service 

Re: [Felvtalk] Such a short little life

2014-10-22 Thread Jennifer Lewis
Elizabeth,

So sorry for your loss I was just there with Smoosh a couple of months ago.

Marta,

Where are you located?

Jennifer
On Oct 22, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Kamila Piotrowska wrote:

 They are ALL beautiful and lovable just have shorter life's but it is up to 
 us humans to take care of them and give them that warm  comfortable home to 
 be themselves, 
 I have 4 of FELV+ that rescue wanted to put down, and I have refused to agree 
 with them , since that time I'm looking for people who understand that 
 conditions and are willing to take them for that little time that they have. 
 If any one in this group is willing to take care of one or more FeLV+ kitten 
 please let me know, i have 3 siblings that are 6 months old and one 1 1/2 yo 
 girl as well, they are all fixed and up to date with vacc. Before you going 
 to say anything and judge, I do owe 5 cat of my own and one become positive 
 true fostering, I'm still not giving up, but my living situation will change 
 soon and can not provide for 9 cats. Please contact me if you are willing to 
 help them to find loveable home. 
 Thank you
  Marta 
 
 On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Mercy Cats mercyc...@outlook.com wrote:
 Elisabeth,
 
 Please try to take comfort in the knowledge that Nanita would not have had 
 any life without you and your husband.  She had people who loved her, and 
 that is the most important thing.  You're very special.  It's been almost 
 five years since our Harley died at around 18 months of age.  He too was full 
 of mischief and loved playing crazy cat.  It still breaks my heart to think 
 of his loss, but I'll never regret adopting him.  Harley stuffed a lot of 
 life and love into that year and a half.
 
   All three of you are in my thoughts and prayers.
 
 Sharon
 
 
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  Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 08:58:38 -0600
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Such a short little life
 
  
  Elisabeth,
  Thank-you so much for sharing your story. I too have Felv + kitty of 6 mos. 
  We’ve nicknamed him Slayer of Dragons! We’re all having so much fun with 
  him. I do keep in the back of my mind that his life will be short. Trying 
  like hell to just enjoy the moments I have with him. So sorry for your 
  loss. 
  In Sympathy,
  Debi Kraal
  On Oct 22, 2014, at 1:50 AM, Elisabeth Eastley eeast...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   It is with the greatest sadness that I have to say that out little Nanita 
   passed away last night. She was just over a year old and had developed 
   lymphoma which grew quite quickly. Most of her life was spent getting up 
   to mischief and her nickname was Troublemaker. She was her Daddy's girl 
   and lived her life to the fullest. She was a happy and affectionate 
   little girl. Her loss leaves a hole that will never be filled.
   
   Thank you to everyone who replied to my question.
   
   With kindest regards
   
   Elisabeth
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Re: [Felvtalk] Harley has a new friend

2014-09-28 Thread Jennifer Lewis
Congrats Marsha! 

I hope all works out well.. Our Brynn has been so lonely since we lost Smoosh, 
so I'd love to hear how it all goes.. We entertain getting her a new bud, but 
so far, all the +s that come our way are kittens, and given the mort rate, we 
are just too scared to go there after Smoosh... It's sad but the hole in our 
hearts is still too raw for us to think about a youngster (although we are such 
suckers when there's one in need)

Jen

On Sep 28, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Marsha wrote:

 My FeLV+ cat Harley has been alone since his buddy Milkdud died May 20.  I 
 have seen many FIV+ cats up for adoption during that time, but there haven't 
 been any local FeLV positives.  I  found one at a shelter nearly 2 hours away 
 and brought him home yesterday.  He is currently in an isolation cage up on a 
 table.  The shelter only tested him once, with a Snap/ELISA test.  I probably 
 should have waited until Monday and paid for their local vet to do an IFA, 
 but he is here now.  I'll call my vet 1st thing in the morning to get him in 
 for a new test.  The new boy's name is Brock, and he is all black, about 3 
 years old.
 
 Harley is fascinated by the new boy, but a tad jealous, and maybe even upset 
 that it wasn't Milkdud.  While I was getting Brock's crate situated in the 
 isolation cage, Harley snatched Brock's mouse toy and ran off with it.  Poor 
 Brock never even got to play with it!  But the shelter said he doesn't play 
 much, preferring to be petted and held.  That could be an issue when Brock is 
 released from the cage, if he ignores Harley's attempt to play and climbs in 
 my arms instead.  In the meantime, I am giving Harley lots of extra attention 
 and playing with him.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Blind positive cat

2014-09-25 Thread Jennifer Lewis
YAY!!
On Sep 25, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Katherine K. wrote:

 Just wanted to let everyone know that I got the blind kitty. He's sper 
 sweet. My other positive cat seems interested in meeting him, so hopefully 
 that's a good sign. 
 
 On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Jennifer Lewis blonded...@mac.com wrote:
 And be sure to introduce the new kid slowly.
 On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:06 PM, Grace Mifsud wrote:
 
  Hi
  I have homed a few blind cats.it shoud not be a problem giving this blind 
  cat a home you just have to put litter,food water always in the same 
  place.they will get so used to the house you will some times think they are 
  not blind.
  Grace
 
  Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Does anyone have experience with a blind FeLV+ cat? There is one near me 
  who needs a home, so I am considering him. I think he is about 1-2 years 
  old. I believe his blindness comes from a viral infection. I do not have 
  stairs in my home, and I have been told he is littertrained. I plan to 
  start him out in one room.
 
  I'm also concerned about stressing my 12 yo positive cat. He likes other 
  cats, but I don't know how sensitive his immune system will be to a change 
  in the household and would hate to cause him to have a health relapse due 
  to introducing a new cat. On the other hand, I know how hard it is to 
  rehome a positive cat, and since I already have a positive household, I 
  feel like I should be open to helping other positives.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Blind positive cat

2014-09-23 Thread Jennifer Lewis
And be sure to introduce the new kid slowly.
On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:06 PM, Grace Mifsud wrote:

 Hi 
 I have homed a few blind cats.it shoud not be a problem giving this blind cat 
 a home you just have to put litter,food water always in the same place.they 
 will get so used to the house you will some times think they are not blind. 
 Grace
 
 Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Does anyone have experience with a blind FeLV+ cat? There is one near me who 
 needs a home, so I am considering him. I think he is about 1-2 years old. I 
 believe his blindness comes from a viral infection. I do not have stairs in 
 my home, and I have been told he is littertrained. I plan to start him out in 
 one room. 
 
 I'm also concerned about stressing my 12 yo positive cat. He likes other 
 cats, but I don't know how sensitive his immune system will be to a change in 
 the household and would hate to cause him to have a health relapse due to 
 introducing a new cat. On the other hand, I know how hard it is to rehome a 
 positive cat, and since I already have a positive household, I feel like I 
 should be open to helping other positives. 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] need some help/advice

2014-09-16 Thread Jennifer Lewis
Matt,

I know Roughy doesn't like the vet, but you may need to get his chest x-rayed. 
Our Smoosh began having very labored breathing (and it happened very quickly) 
and when we took her in, x rays showed a massive amount of fluid had collected 
in her chest cavity; it was in essence smothering her.  You could not even see 
her heart and all you could see of her lungs looked like little feathers. She 
was a small (6 lb) cat  and around a pint of bloody fluid was extracted (which 
was found to contain squamous or cancer cells). We lost her shortly after to 
this fast moving cancer, as the fluid built up again very quickly and we could 
not watch her suffer. 

Sorry to bear  less-than-positive input, but this was our experience. Please 
talk to your vet about this.

Jennifer (and Smoosh)


On Sep 16, 2014, at 12:39 PM, Matt Pardo wrote:

 Thank you, Lee! I talked to my vet who is concerned that because of his 
 stress levels, we should see if his current treatment will help enough. He is 
 concerned that being hospitalized for a transfusion will be too much for him. 
 He gets EXTREMELY stressed to the point of making himself violently ill. He 
 was a feral cat for most of his life so he hates cars and all other people. 
 Anyway, he seems to be improving a tiny bit although I am hoping it isn’t my 
 mind playing tricks on me. I am excited that he is drinking water again and I 
 am hopeful that he will start eating on his own.
  
 No fleas…I haven’t let him outside (or any of my cats) for the last 4 years.
  
 Anyway, thanks again, Lee!
  
 From: Lee Evans [mailto:moonsiste...@yahoo.com] 
 Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 8:01 PM
 To: Matt Pardo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] need some help/advice
  
 Roughy needs a transfusion if his breathing is labored. The anemia is getting 
 him. Can you take him to a clinic that offers blood-matching transfusions? My 
 poor Bunny had labored breathing and progressive anemia towards the end. Her 
 bone marrow was not producing any red cells. Maybe you can buy some time for 
 Roughy. His bone marrow may still be producing red cells but not in the 
 quantity he needs. If he gets a good dose of healthy blood, it will help him 
 eat again. You may need to stop the cortisone. You need a second opinion from 
 a vet who is up on the latest data regarding feline leukemia. What Roughy may 
 have is non-generative anemia but maybe not. He may still be in the stage of 
 generating red cells. Have you treated him for fleas? Cats can also get flea 
 anemia which responds well to a transfusion.
  
 
 On Sunday, September 14, 2014 7:14 PM, Matt Pardo mpa...@velocitystorm.com 
 wrote:
  
 
 Thanks for the feedback, Lee. We were hoping that Roughy had turned negative 
 because we have had him for four years. He is our only FeLV+ cat and he is 
 FIV+/FeLV+. I feel like a real idiot for not getting him tested. I should 
 have been prepared for this. Right now, I am just praying we get through the 
 weekend. His breathing seems so difficult and I know he hasn’t slept very 
 much (nor have I). I am reading more about treatments and I am not sure my 
 vet is very current on treatments. He is a great vet, but he didn’t present 
 any real options. Ugh.
  
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee 
 Evans
 Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 5:54 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] need some help/advice
  
 Hi Matt -  I have had several cats who turned from FeLv+ to negative. One who 
 turned back to positive after turning to negative passed away very quickly. 
 Odd case because my other turned cat lived to be 12 years old. He was about 
 a year old when I rescued him, he was positive and then turned negative. 
 Lived a pretty long life too, considering he had been a street cat before I 
 got him.  I still have one who was both FeLv+ and FIV+. He turned negative 
 for leukemia but not for FIV but FIV is not a serious issue around my place. 
 They usually live as long as negative cats.
  
 I was under the impression that cats who are positive for leukemia are not 
 supposed to be given cortisone shots or oral cortisone medication. It will 
 increase a cat's appetite for a while, but not for long. Cortisone also has a 
 bad effect on the cat's kidneys if given regularly. I could not find anything 
 current on Facebook although there are a couple of pages for Leukemia 
 positive cats but no postings since 2011 and 2012. I don't think you will be 
 getting any up to the minute information on those pages.
  
 On Sunday, September 14, 2014 12:12 PM, Matt Pardo mpa...@velocitystorm.com 
 wrote:
  
 Hi everyone, I am new to the list. I have been looking through the archives 
 for an answer, but haven’t found it yet. Sorry if this has been answered 
 before.
  
 My cat, named Roughy, was a feral cat with FIV and FeLV. I have had him for 
 about four years now with only minor infections. However, on Thursday, he 
 didn’t eat

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6

2014-08-14 Thread Jennifer Lewis
Shelley,

I'm sorry I've been out of touch. These past weeks have been very hard for us. 

Smoosh's FVRCP was from Pfizer called FELOCELL. She had no reaction to the 
shots, and I got them through one of my rescues. Again, we did not do rabies as 
she wasn't going anywhere once she came to us, but Brynn had hers as she was 
originally supposed to go to a sanctuary and the law required it.

Brynn has started to develop a fatty something on her side( I don't think it's 
a vac site) . We are monitoring it closely. She is so lonely without Smoosh. 
I'm really not sure who misses her the most, although I suspect it might be me.

Jen
On Aug 14, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Shelley Theye wrote:

 Hi Kat,
 
 Thanks so much for your reply. 
 
 Do you have any references or a website that covers the vaccination issue 
 with pos. cats 
 or are you speaking from personal experience, if so, can you share?
 
 Also, can you explain about the 'antbody problem that pos. cats have? 
 
 Leo actually had to be quarantined for rabies when I first got him, long 
 story, but I was having him retested for FeLV after his first pos.
 test, and the tech handled him roughly (he was still semi-feral at that 
 point) and as she was chasing him around 
 and trying to grab him with a towel he bit her, so she filed that with the 
 local animal control and he had to be quarantined 
 for 10 days, which was so upsetting in a number of ways.  He had received his 
 first Rabies vacc. less than 10 days prior to this
 so they said it wouldn't be effective yetI was worried that if he had a 
 chance to throw the virus off he 
 would lose that chance with the stress of quarantine.  He now is very sweet 
 but still afraid of anything new, so I guess I 
 am just paranoid about the whole rabies thing, not so much that he will get 
 rabies, but never want him to have to be 
 quarantined again!  
 
 Thanks so much! 
 Shelley
 
 
 On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't so 
 either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with being 
 positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again, 
 probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a 
 positive cat?  The law is ot going to be enforced in your home  it's not a 
 big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have that 
 antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop 
 antibodies. 
 
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 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:44:06 -0400
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 Hi Lance,
 
 I am not sure!  I will ask her.  She is pretty great.  Didn't even consider 
 euth. when he tested positive.  Went ahead and neutered Leo and told me the 
 news later that day.
 
 I just keep thinking about what the folks on this list said last year when I 
 asked, that their cats became sick after vaccinating.
 
 Thanks for letting me know that Ember did OK without vaccines at the vet 
 clinic.  I don't know if they make a purevax FVRCP.
 
 We will do the Rabies, and vet said to wait at least 2 weeks between 
 vaccines if do the FVRCP.  I thought that was good of her
 to suggest too, because it is better not to do them all at once.  I never 
 realized that until a few years ago.
 
 I'll let you all know if I find out anything on this,  will probably just do 
 the rabies though for now.
 
 Shelley
 
 
 On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 
 I wish I had an answer for you. Would your vet be willing to log onto 
 Vetinfo to see what other vets are recommending for FeLV cats? I seem to 
 recall that Ember?s vet recommended that she be vaccinated, but we never 
 did that. Despite her low white count, she never picked anything up at the 
 vet?s office as far as I know. Even the dentals didn?t weaken her enough.
 
 If Purevax makes an FVRCP vaccine, that might be the 

Re: [Felvtalk] Just tested positive

2014-07-26 Thread Jennifer Lewis
First off, Thank you all so much for your condolences. 
Smoosh was absolutely a 'cat of a lifetime' in every way (and every day), and 
losing her has rocked me to my core. 

My vet, Dr Stan Avezov of Pasadena Pets Hospital in Pasadena, CA could not have 
been any more wonderful with her, and supportive of us.
 
He is compassionate and understanding to the nth degree, and I would never 
hesitate for a moment to advocate for him. 
We have financial limitations (Smoosh and Brynn were supposed to be 
weekend/temp fosters through a rescue until they tested + and their long term 
situations bailed on them) but he has consistently worked with us always for 
the greatest good for the girls throughout their lives. He also is absolutely 
my 'go to' for my other kitties as well, and we are kinda 'the Island of Misfit 
Toys' at my house. I have a kidney survivor, a senior, a cripple and a 
diabetic... 

Brynn continues to thrive with his help and guidance, although she really 
misses her Smoosh, as do I.

I wish everyone had a vet like Dr Stan.

Jennifer


On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:02 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 i HAVE HEARD SO MANY STORIES OF VETS DOING THIS.  IT SEEMS THEY DON'T WANT TO 
 BOTHER TREATING POSITIVES.  MAYBE THEY DON'T THINK THE OWNERS WILL WANT TO 
 DEAL WITH THE EXPENSE OR TIME TO TREAT THEM, BUT THAT SHOULD BE LEFT UP TO 
 THE OWNER TO DECIDE, NOT THE VET.  ESPECIALLY, IF PETA IS DOING FREE 
 SPAYS/NEUTERS, DO NOT TAKE YOUR ANIMALS TO THEM.  I KNOW OF ONE INSTANCE 
 WHERE THEY EUTHANIZED THE CATS WITHOUT EVER NOTIFYING THE OWNER.  IT IS 
 STANDARD PROCEEDURE WITH THEM. WHEN I GOT ANNIE, SHE HAD BEEN THROUGH A LOT 
 OF STRESS AND SUDDENLY TESTED POSITIVE .  DR. RHODES SAID I HAD 2 CHOICES:  
 EUTHANIZE OR WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENED.  HE SAID I SHOULD VACCINATE ALL THE 
 OTHERS AS A PRECAUTION.  NO ONE ELSE EVER TESTED POSITIVE AS A RESULT OF 
 BEING AROUND HER.  
 
  Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote: 
 Holy crap, not even an IFA confirmation?!  I once took a feral in to be 
 spayed, only to discover in the afternoon they didn't do the surgery 
 when she tested positive, and they couldn't get hold of me for 
 instructions.  Now I make sure to give instructions beforehand - go 
 ahead with the spay or neuter regardless of FeLV / FIV status (though I 
 might hold off if there was a positive on the  heartworm test).
 
 Marsha
 
  On 7/25/2014 12:54 PM, Kelley S wrote:
 The low cost spay clinic I took Merlin to recommended immediate euth 
 for merls, without so much as an IFA.  Of course I said no.  THen I 
 found my holistic vet who boosts their system through supplements.
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Just tested positive

2014-07-24 Thread Jennifer Lewis
We said goodnight to my heart, my Smoosh about an hour ago. 
She contracted the virus from her feral mom, and came to us at 8 weeks after 
being trapped. We loved her dearly for 13 wonderful months until she left with 
my heart tonight. 


On Jul 24, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Maya D'Alessio wrote:

 I am a microbiologist, so the lack of research really does frustrate me. I 
 was asking the vet if we know if the viral load increases over time like in 
 hiv. He said there was very limited funding for felv research. Very 
 frustrating.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] 2nd holistic vet visit

2014-03-27 Thread Jennifer Lewis
http://www.amazon.com/Periodontal-Health-Advance-Formula-Softgels/dp/B004BAY9ZW
On Mar 27, 2014, at 3:10 PM, gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:

 Sounds good!  The web shows it's esterified fatty acids, but it's hard to 
 find an understandable definition. How/where can one get it Michelle?  
 
 Gloria
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 27, 2014, at 4:46 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:
 
 Esterilized Fatty Acids for oral health seriously helped my FIV+ cat with 
 horrible stomatitis. Was like a miracle. A veterinary dentist put him on it.
 
 Michelle
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Kelley moonv...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wed, Mar 26, 2014 10:20 pm
 Subject: [Felvtalk] 2nd holistic vet visit
 
 Took Merls in today.  Could not afford it but I was really worried about his 
 mouth.  He has nasty lesions but is still eating.  He will be on the feline 
 immune booster as well as a holistic concoction for his mouth. Recheck in 3 
 weeks.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs traditional vets for felv

2014-03-15 Thread Jennifer Lewis
That's EXTORTION and PREDATORY
On Mar 15, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Gloria B. Lane wrote:

 Good grief!  26% is beyond high.
 
 
 On Mar 15, 2014, at 12:47 PM, Kelley wrote:
 
 Just tried and was turned down which is what I figured.  But I did try.  
 Interest is 26% unless you pay it off in 6 months by the way. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 14, 2014, at 11:21 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:
 
 Have you looked into Care Credit? It's very low or no interest and is only 
 for vet and medical expenses. Some vets take it. 
 
 Not that I think a visit to a holistic vet is necessarily necessary. People 
 have had mixed experiences with them. 
 
 I had 6 FeLV+ cats. One, who was also FIV+, lived to about 9 years old. 
 Most of the others lived to about 5. One died at 18 months. You definitely 
 need to take as good care of them as possible, get problems treated 
 quickly, and try to keep their lives stress-free, but beyond that I think, 
 to some extent, that it is a crap shoot.. 
 
 Michelle
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Kelley moonv...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:54 pm
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs traditional vets for felv
 
 I'm actually going to have to cancel their appointment. Can't pay for it.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Mar 14, 2014, at 8:48 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:
  
  My FeLeuk girl sees an integrative vet, who practices both holistic and 
 traditional medicine. She gets bicom treatments
  from her, as well as various holistic medicines. She is stable
  and even gaining weight on this regimen. I think this is
  better care for her than she would get from a traditional
  vet. 
  Just my experience...
  
  Chris C.
  
  -Original Message- From: Kelley Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 8:01 
  PM 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs traditional 
 vets 
 for felv 
  What are your thoughts on this?
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs traditional vets for felv

2014-03-15 Thread Jennifer Lewis
Go for it. I've already shared them there and will continue to do so. Where are 
you, Kelley? There may be some additional options for assistance...
On Mar 15, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Gloria B. Lane wrote:

 I think FB page for the kitties is a good idea.
 
 
 On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Kelley wrote:
 
 Yes that was just for whoever said the  interest rate was low. It is not.   
 But they do have a 6 month interest free option.  
 
 Thanks to a donation I almost have enough to take one of them to the vet. It 
 is 35 dollars for the holistic vet with a discount on Wednesdays. 
 
 I'm feeling better since I got the donation and am thinking of making a 
 Facebook page for the kitties - what do y'all think?  
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:
 
 Good grief!  26% is beyond high.
 
 
 On Mar 15, 2014, at 12:47 PM, Kelley wrote:
 
 Just tried and was turned down which is what I figured.  But I did try.  
 Interest is 26% unless you pay it off in 6 months by the way. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 14, 2014, at 11:21 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:
 
 Have you looked into Care Credit? It's very low or no interest and is 
 only for vet and medical expenses. Some vets take it. 
 
 Not that I think a visit to a holistic vet is necessarily necessary. 
 People have had mixed experiences with them. 
 
 I had 6 FeLV+ cats. One, who was also FIV+, lived to about 9 years old. 
 Most of the others lived to about 5. One died at 18 months. You 
 definitely need to take as good care of them as possible, get problems 
 treated quickly, and try to keep their lives stress-free, but beyond that 
 I think, to some extent, that it is a crap shoot.. 
 
 Michelle
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Kelley moonv...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:54 pm
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs traditional vets for felv
 
 I'm actually going to have to cancel their appointment. Can't pay for it.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Mar 14, 2014, at 8:48 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:
  
  My FeLeuk girl sees an integrative vet, who practices both holistic and 
 traditional medicine. She gets bicom treatments
  from her, as well as various holistic medicines. She is stable
  and even gaining weight on this regimen. I think this is
  better care for her than she would get from a traditional
  vet. 
  Just my experience...
  
  Chris C.
  
  -Original Message- From: Kelley Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 
  8:01 PM 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs 
 traditional vets 
 for felv 
  What are your thoughts on this?
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] euthanized Shallie Marie, yesterday the last of my

2014-01-04 Thread Jennifer Lewis
So Sorry, but glad for the love you had.

Jen, Brynn and Munch
On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:26 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:

 I’m so sorry.
  
 Chris C.
  
  
 From: Beth
 Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 2:40 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] euthanized Shallie Marie, yesterday the last of my
  
 So sorry! My thoughts are with you  the fur baby.
 
 Beth
 
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 From: czadna sacarawicz czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com; 
 To: feline leukemia list felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; 
 Subject: [Felvtalk] euthanized Shallie Marie, yesterday the last of my 
 Sent: Sat, Jan 4, 2014 7:53:53 PM 
 
 six that tested positive in March 2010.
 Thanks for being with us - - lights in the darkness.  I had suspected she was 
 crashing.  Vets thought it was dental . . .   two weeks later.  will leave it 
 there.  
 Now she joins her intrepid son Isaac, Mama and Luscious, Torie Rose and 
 BreAnne.  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear

2013-12-24 Thread Jennifer Lewis
Bear,

You're in my Christmas prayers.

Jen
On Dec 24, 2013, at 4:15 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:

 Turns out it does not look like FIP, looks like hemolytic anemia, where he is 
 killing off his own red blood cells, and the vet simply did not keep him on a 
 high enough dose of immune-suppressants so he crashed again. Now he is really 
 bad. I don't know what his chances are at this point, but I do not think they 
 are good, though the vets say he can turn around. He just got a transfusion 
 and they are starting him on cyclosporine, a stronger immune suppressant. And 
 doxycycline.
  
 Please send him prayers. He is FIV+, not FeLV+, though he has had as many 
 issues as my FeLV cats did. I got back on this list looking for feline 
 interferon, which I don't need, but one thing I know this list is good for is 
 prayers. Please pray it's a good Christmas for Bear and he responds well to 
 the transfusion and the cyclosporine.
  
 thank you,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

2013-12-21 Thread Jennifer Lewis
Thanks Lorrie!
On Dec 21, 2013, at 5:05 AM, Lorrie wrote:

 Read below...
 
 
 On 12-20, Jennifer Lewis wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 My poor Bryyn is having an awful time. Does anyone have experience with
 severe mouth pain? I've been told by vets that she's too young for
 stomatitis, but she's having a horrific time.
 
 My vet prescribed prednisone, but not only does it not seem to help, we're
 leery of it for the long term and honestly can't afford it.
 
 It seemed to be mostly jaw/lymph related as she would freak when yawning,
 but it's getting worse and I'm beside myself. She also has awful breath
 which makes me think as well it may be stomatitis.
 
 Please help!
 Jen
 
 Jen, I don't believe stomatitis is only a problem in older cats.
 Some cats that are quite young have it.  I have delt with it and
 it is difficult to deal with.  Vets usually alternate between pred.
 and antibiotics, and in worse case scenario all the cats teeth must
 be removed, which is quite costly.  Howvever since you mention this
 jaw/lymph connection I'd definitely get another opinion. It may not
 be her teeth at all.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Uneven pupils

2013-12-21 Thread Jennifer Lewis
Thanks!
Jen
On Dec 21, 2013, at 12:03 PM, Margo wrote:

 
 
 Clindrops is likely Clindamycin. It has several trade names, including 
 Antirobe. Also comes in little tiny pills. The liquid tastes foul, but is 
 better cold, s refrigerate it. Try to follow it with something tasty. It is 
 good for mouth issues, as well as abcesses, and some types of pneumonia. One 
 I try to keep on hand.
 
 
 HTH
 
 Margo
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: trustinhi...@charter.net
 Sent: Dec 21, 2013 1:12 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uneven pupils
 
 I gave my Pookie Clin Drops (short for clin...something). Very 
 economical. Works well for infections that are in the mouth or tissues. 
 Very economical. I also took him for acupuncture. Carolyn
 
 
 On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 12:29 AM, Jennifer Lewis wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Off topic or a new one.
 My poor Bryyn is having an awful time. Does anyone have experience 
 with severe mouth pain? I've been told by vets that she's too young 
 for stomatitis, but she's having a horrific time.
 My vet prescribed prednisone, but not only does it not seem to help, 
 we're leery of it for the long term and honestly can't afford it.
 
 It seemed to be mostly jaw/lymph related as she would freak when 
 yawning, but it's getting worse and I'm beside myself. She also has 
 awful breath which makes me think as well it may be stomatitis.
 
 Please help!
 Jen
 
 
 On Dec 20, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Lorrie wrote:
 
 One of my cats has uneven pupils, but he is not FelV positive.
 He was hit on the head by some low life bastard before I rescued him.
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 12-20, gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:
  The only ones I've had with uneven pupils are Felv cats, and then 
 only
  a couple.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Uneven pupils

2013-12-20 Thread Jennifer Lewis
Hi all,

Off topic or a new one.
My poor Bryyn is having an awful time. Does anyone have experience with severe 
mouth pain? I've been told by vets that she's too young for stomatitis, but 
she's having a horrific time. 

My vet prescribed prednisone, but not only does it not seem to help, we're 
leery of it for the long term and honestly can't afford it.

It seemed to be mostly jaw/lymph related as she would freak when yawning, but 
it's getting worse and I'm beside myself. She also has awful breath which makes 
me think as well it may be stomatitis.

Please help!
Jen


On Dec 20, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Lorrie wrote:

 One of my cats has uneven pupils, but he is not FelV positive.
 He was hit on the head by some low life bastard before I rescued him.
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 12-20, gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:
   The only ones I've had with uneven pupils are Felv cats, and then only
   a couple.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV?

2013-11-13 Thread Jennifer Lewis
I love World's Best, but can't afford it right now. I'd rather spend $$ on good 
food and care.

For my FELV's I am using unmedicated Laying Hen crumble. Yes, chicken feed. 
Available at any feed store, and these days urban chickens are tres chic so 
it's easy to find.
I got it because one of my girls was only 2 months and we were scared she'd eat 
clay, and we've stuck with it. It's very similar to WB (It's corn), clumps, 
LIGHT, and 50 lbs is around $16 (and that's in LA). Low dust.
OH, and did I mention it is FLUSHABLE?

I wish all the other kids would use it, but my diabetic won't so she will pee 
everywhere, so only the girls get it. That clay s**t is heavy and dusty.

Jen, Brynn and Munch

PS. Brynn has a kitty cold :(
On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:11 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 I will still stick with World's Best.  In fact the reason I switched to it is 
 being able to sift out clumps and not the whole box.  I have 5 cats and even 
 in the winter months when they cannot go outside, it lasts a long time.  It 
 is also half the weight of clay.
 
  Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 I'm not very enthusiastic about clumping litter. If you use it properly, you 
 have to use the whole darn bag to get it to clump properly and not turn into 
 a cement block because you did not use enough. If you use the whole bag, 
 it's very expensive because when you scoop the clumps, the litter MUST be 
 replaced, again to get it to clump properly and not glue itself to the 
 litter box. If you replace it you spend more money. If you use the generic 
 store brand, you get 40 pound clumps that eventually bond together and need 
 to be disposed of in an industrial waste dump. LOL. Not everything that is 
 advertised is really as magical as it seems to be.
 
 
 
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] research on feline interferon alpha

2013-11-12 Thread Jennifer Lewis
Thanks!

Jen L
On Nov 12, 2013, at 7:58 AM, Shelley Theye wrote:

 Thanks Katherine.  So LTCI is the same thing Lance is referring to as  feline 
 recombinant interferon omega ?
 Shelley
 
 
 On Nov 12, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Katherine K. wrote:
 
 Hi Shelley and Jennifer,
 
 When my 10 yr old cat was first diagnosed in July, I found this forum to be 
 helpful in learning about LTCI: 
 http://910pets.com/forum/topics/feline-leukemia?xg_source=activityid=2127871.
  It's not very active now, but it's a good resource and folks will still 
 respond to you if you post there. 
 
 My cat was running a fever, had gone from 13 lbs to 11.5, wasn't eating and 
 was lethargic when he was first diagnosed. I don't remember his RBC count at 
 the moment. We ordered LTCI for him and gave him 3 injections in the first 
 week, then went to once a week for 2 weeks, then once every 2 weeks for a 
 few weeks, and now he gets it once a month. He has returned to his normal 
 self. He was also on a low dose of prednisone for a month. I don't know 
 which medicine helped pull him out of the woods but I'm glad to keep trying 
 the LTCI if it keeps him healthy. It costs me about $50 per injection though 
 so it's not something I'm financially able to try on my 4 positive kittens.
 
 Katherine
 
 
 On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 Lance,
 Thanks so much for explaining the difference between the 2 interferons.  I 
 did not realize that there were 2 types.  I had asked Leo's new vet about 
 using it as a preventative, and  since she could easily get interferon, now 
 I know that it was  the human one.  Anyway, he is not symptomatic right now, 
 so the only thing I give him occasionally is Lysine.
 Shelley
 
 Shelley Theye
 ve...@bellsouth.net
 
 
 
 On Nov 11, 2013, at 8:50 PM, Lance wrote:
 
 I think the de Mari feline recombinant interferon omega study was done with 
 symptomatic FeLV+ cats. I think. If I already had interferon omega and 
 Ember was symptomatic, I would definitely try it. I know very little about 
 what is suggested with LTCI (symptomatic vs. asymptomatic for treatment). 
 Their website should mention this.
 
 To clarify, there are two types of interferon given for FeLV+ cats: 1) 
 interferon alpha (a product for humans that has anecdotally shown promise, 
 but studies have failed to verify this) and 2) feline recombinant 
 interferon omega (anecdotal evidence AND studies have shown promise).
 
 It’s easy to get #1 from pretty much any vet. They can write a prescription 
 and have it filled by Roadrunner or another pharmacy that does 
 drugs/compounding for pets. It’s also cheap. I think it’s ~$40 for a month 
 and a half supply using the 5 days on/5 days off protocol.
 
 It’s somewhat difficult and expensive to get #2.Your vet has to go through 
 an FDA program that used to be called Compassionate Use. This allows your 
 vet clearance to import feline recombinant interferon omega, which they 
 need, as it’s not sold in the US. There’s paperwork involved, though I 
 don’t think it’s horrible. A dedicated, compassionate vet will do this for 
 you. You then have to pay (through your vet) Abbeyvet In England for the 
 drug and the overnight shipping—overnight from England. When I last priced 
 this, it was ~$1300 for the drug and the shipping. I believe this is for 
 something like 15 doses, but that’s all you give in a year, according to 
 the established protocol. At least with feline recombinant interferon 
 omega, you know you have something that has been proven to work, unlike 
 other drugs I could mention. Will it produce results for a particular FeLV+ 
 cat? Maybe?
 
 If Pookie is doing well, then I agree: don’t rock the boat. You might still 
 look into what it would take to get feline recombinant interferon omega 
 imported. Your vet might never have heard of it, and it might be useful to 
 ask them to look into it. If you decide to do it down the road, you have 
 that much less work to do to get it here.
 
 On Nov 11, 2013, at 6:48 PM, trustinhi...@charter.net wrote:
 
 I took Pookie to the one of four vets in Wisconsin who has done LTCI 
 injections, but Pookie was sick, running a temp, and not eating when he 
 was seen. So he wasn't a candidate for the injection. Do the FELV+ kitties 
 need to be symptom free before they administer this? Also is this the same 
 with the interferon shots? And does anyone know who administers interferon 
 in Wisconsin? My inclination is if it isn't broken don't fix it...If 
 Pookie is doing well, I don't want to mess with him. And he is doing great 
 now since he had acupuncture. Seems so hit or miss with all this??
 
 
 On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Jennifer Lewis wrote:
 
 Has anyone tried any other the other meds out there, like Lymphocyte 
 T-Cell Immunomodulator (LTCI)?
 
 Jennifer L, Munchkin and Brynn
 
 
 
 On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:54 PM, MaryChristine wrote:
 
 http://goo.gl/uT6Evb
 
 not new to most of us, but always good to see

Re: [Felvtalk] research on feline interferon alpha

2013-11-11 Thread Jennifer Lewis
Has anyone tried any other the other meds out there, like Lymphocyte T-Cell 
Immunomodulator (LTCI)?

Jennifer L, Munchkin and Brynn



On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:54 PM, MaryChristine wrote:

 http://goo.gl/uT6Evb
 
 not new to most of us, but always good to see things get the official 
 recognition. tho it does end as most research articles do, more research is 
 needed.
 
 MC
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bunny Passed Away This Evening

2013-10-31 Thread Jennifer Ballew
Sorry to hear about your kitty.  I went through a similar thing a few weeks
ago when my own kitty passed away.  It's very hard!  My sympathies.  :-(

Jen
On Oct 31, 2013 4:50 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 She came to me two and a half years ago when she was around 9 months old.
 She had been abandoned at an apartment complex, rescued but then tested
 FeLv+. She was brought to me to see if she would turn negative. She did! I
 kept her anyway because she had a few bad habits, like biting my fingers
 when I was sleeping and trying to tear apart my iPod headphones. She was
 very mischievous. I named her Bunny because she was brought to me on Easter
 Sunday.  She has lived with me and two other cats in my bedroom/home office
 since that Easter in 2011. About two weeks ago I noticed a change in her
 behavior. She no longer pestered Delilah, the resident female cat in the
 room and she seemed to lose interest in sleeping on the bed with me and
 Samson and Delilah (the two other cats in the room). However she was eating
 normally and nothing else seemed out of place. I assumed that it was the
 change in the weather from very hot to nice, cool evenings and then to
 rain. On Saturday of last week she seemed lethargic. She was not eating her
 usual amount of food and not drinking her usual amount of water. I checked
 her gums to see if it might be stomatitis or some bad tooth upsetting her
 but her gums were very pale and so was her tongue. I immediately thought it
 was flea anemia. I took her to the vet on Tuesday because Monday is usually
 very busy with dogs there. She was more lethargic and depressed by then and
 her appetite had all but disappeared. She was still drinking water. She had
 no fleas so I asked the vet to re-test her for FeLv. Sure enough, she was
 positive. She had all the classic symptoms of active FeLv. I was heart
 broken but still, I asked him to give her some meds to make her more
 comfortable and perhaps get back her appetite. He gave her cortisone.
 Today, she was no better. She just lay on her towel and couldn't make it to
 the litter box although it was just a few steps away. I took her in again
 and he gave her some fluids, not too much because he said it would make her
 even more anemic. He gave her a little more cortisone to try to kick start
 her appetite. I had been syringe feeding her by then. He also gave her a
 small dose of Convenia and some B-complex but nothing helped. She passed
 several hours after the vet visit. I probably should have had him help her
 pass but I just didn't want to give up hope.

 There is a question here, in all this upsetting dialog. My other two cats
 who slept with me and Bunny and groomed each other, ate with each other,
 drank and used the same litter box are around 7 years old. The vet told me
 that once they are into adulthood, they are not as likely to get FeLv as
 they would if they were under 2 years old. Is this true? I will have them
 tested in about 3 weeks anyway to see what happened, if anything. Also, has
 anyone had the experience of a young cat throwing off the virus and turning
 negative, then turning positive again after a year, or was that second test
 after I had held her in isolation for 4 months a false negative?

 Right now I'm fostering a kitten who has tested negative for FIV/FeLv. She
 is several rooms away from where Bunny has lived. They never came in
 contact with each other but I have walked from my bedroom into the kitten's
 room to feed, clean, etc.. Did I put her at risk?

 This is desperately upsetting. I have decided not to take in any more
 fosters with FeLv. I have never had this happen before. Most of my turned
 cats are still with me and are well into several years of adulthood. I
 usually don't have good results with getting turned cats adopted because
 most people don't want the possibility that the cat is harboring the
 disease. Maybe Bunny had it in her bone marrow and tested negative on the
 regular SNAP test. I should have tested with the IFA also but don't have
 much money to spare.

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Re: [Felvtalk] virus has finally caught up with her

2013-10-11 Thread Jennifer Ballew
Lorrie-

Thank you for the kind words.  I debated back and forth, and after a
lnng discussion with the vet I decided putting her down was the
best thing for her.  I did what you did: gave her the best life I could,
but let her go when it was time.

Thanks again,
Jennifer
On Oct 11, 2013 5:41 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 Dear Jennifer,

 You did the right thing. I have had many FelV cats, and other
 than giving fluids to make them more comfortable or taking care of
 something like an infection that a vet can treat, I will NOT put a
 cat of mine thru any heroic measures. I have tried assist feeding,
 and I've watched them gag and try to get away from me. This is pure
 torture for them as well as for me, the torturer. I know a lot of you
 will disagree with me, but when a FelV cat becomes desperately ill I
 put them down.  I give my FelV cats as good a life as I can while
 they are alive and well, but when they are dying I let them go.
 Thank you for making the brave decision you made.  You will miss
 Sasha terribly, but you did the kindest thing you could for her.

 Hugs for you from Lorrie

 On 10-10, Jennifer Ballew wrote:
 Put Sasha down today.  I think it was time.  :-(
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

2013-10-10 Thread Jennifer Ballew
Put Sasha down today.  I think it was time.  :-(
 On Oct 10, 2013 2:02 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sub Q will work almost immediately if anything is going to work at all.
 Don't freak tho.  It will show as a big scary malleable lump under the skin
 as the liquid drains from the IV bag.  It is just the water under the skin
 and will dissipate within a short period of time but the rehydration starts
 surprisingly quickly and can make an almost immediate world of difference.
 Please don't hesitate.  It is the best and quickest way to give your kitty
 a chance.

 Kat


 On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:57 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:

   At the Shelter where I volunteer, they find that rehydrating a
 cat by giving sub-q usually perks up their appetite.

 Chris C.


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 Hi Jennifer,

Well, I think she will need some help. I am
 surprised that a Vet allowed a dehydrated cat to leave without doing
 something about it, so I'd call and ask why. It's good that she is
 drinking, but it is impossible to correct clinical dehydration orally, she
 must have either IV or sub-q fluids. That alone MAY be enough (combined
 with the B-12) to start her eating again, it can be miraculous. If you
 don't want to try the Clavamox, then take her (what is her name?) in and
 request sub-q fluids (and have them show you how to do it at home) and ask
 about Convenia, a long-lasting injectable antibiotic. I don't generally
 recommend it, but it's better than nothing, and less stressful for both of
 you. Explain that medicating orally seems too stressful. You could ask
 about appetite stimulants, but they need to be given by mouth as well, so
 maybe you don't want to try.

Much depends on how far you want to go. Sub-q's
 and assist feedings aren't difficult to do, but you may not have the time
 to give to this. I would say, even if you decide not to continue long-term
 care, get to the Vet (or another of you don't want to go back there) TODAY
 for sub-q or IV fluids, and see if that helps.. If you have to work, most
 Vets will allow drop-off.

Please help her by getting the dehydration
 resolved. She feels totally lousy, and of course doesn't want to eat, or
 move. At least she will feel better, and that's critical, whatever course
 you elect to follow.

 All the best,

 Margo

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 They took her temp yesterday and no fever.  She's not showing any outward
 signs of infection, so that's good I guess.  I'm just wondering if she's
 going to be able to pull out of this.  :-(

 Jennifer
 On Oct 9, 2013 8:27 PM, moonsister22 moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Regular cats can also have those symptoms. The B12 shot is good. Does
 she have a fever? Many doctors completely neglect the simple task of taking
 the cat's temperature. An antibiotic injection might be of benefit. My hard
 and fast rule is to think simple first. My FIV positive cat had a lump on
 his back. It was diagnosed as probably a malignant tumor. I suggested it
 was a non-malignant fatty tumor. Three years later Mr. Snowy is still fat
 and going strong and the tumor has absorbed. Maybe it's luck and they will
 use up the last of their nine lives eventually but until then start off
 simple but cautious and do always take to vet but listen with both ears
 open and your brain cells on high alert.

 Hugs and blessings to you and the fur kids.

 Sent from my iPod

 On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hey all-
 
 
  This is the first time I have posted to the forum.  I have two FeLV
 positive cats, one two and one three years old.  The older cat has never
 had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently
 started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her.  Just within
 the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only
 drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very
 unsteady and wobbly.  I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her
 blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated.
 They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to
 possibly being dehydrated.  They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home.
 I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any
 unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I
 would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was
 alive so that she would have the best chances.  I'm just wondering if any
 of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out

[Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

2013-10-09 Thread Jennifer Ballew
Hey all-


This is the first time I have posted to the forum.  I have two FeLV
positive cats, one two and one three years old.  The older cat has never
had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently
started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her.  Just within
the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only
drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very
unsteady and wobbly.  I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her
blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated.
They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to
possibly being dehydrated.  They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home.
I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any
unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I
would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was
alive so that she would have the best chances.  I'm just wondering if any
of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out
of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left.  I'm
sincerely heartbroken.  I really thought I had nursed her through the most
risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on to live
a halfway long life.  In any case, if anyone has any advice or information
I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks all,

Jennifer

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To hope is to risk pain.
To try is to risk failure,
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Because the greatest hazard in life
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