Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Jetty Dijkshoorn]

Thanks so much Amani. Will buy a package immediately. What would you say
about the doses. Dolce weighs about 2,75 kg

2015-11-20 0:15 GMT+01:00 Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>:

> Jetty,
>
>
>
> You can use the prednisolone with the Winstrol. They are different kinds
> of steroids and work well together. A very senior, well-respected vet I
> know very well, once told me that the prednisolone helps protect the liver,
> while on the Winstrol. I used both, along with Doxycycline on Zander, at
> the early stages of his recovery from his FeLV crisis.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Jetty Dijkshoorn
> *Sent:* November-19-15 6:11 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>
>
>
> I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your furry friends. Luckily my
> suspected FELV sweetheart Dolce is doing really well at this moment. He
> went from very lethargic with pale gums and nose to a lively guy with the
> help of 1 tablet of prednisolon every other day. I am very much interested
> in starting with Winstrol to help his RBC go further up but not sure
> whether I have to stop using the prednisolon or use both of them
> together.We live in the Netherlands and I already found out that I can buy
> the 2 mg tablets in an online shop for a reasonable price.
>
> I want to thank all the members of this forum for all your stories and
> advises. There is not much knowledge here about FELV and it is very common
> to put cats to sleep after very uncertain snaptest diagnosyses. So glad
> that thanks to your encouraging advises he is still a very happy cat.
> Although I am a bit concerned about a lump he developed under his left eye.
> It does not seem to bother him but I hope it does not grow any further.
>
>
>
> Jetty an Dolce
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2015-11-19 2:16 GMT+01:00 Jane Gannon <strayc...@roadrunner.com>:
>
> Do I just keep him on this indefinetely?  Do I have to keep having his
> blood tested, how often?  How long did this help your cat?  Do you still
> have this cat?
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:38 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>
>
>
> Hi Jane
>
>
>
> Speak with your vet. He probably uses a compounding pharmacy for other
> types of medication. This is where my vet gets Winstrol. Our vet can get
> the Winstrol in 2 strengths: 2 mg and 1 mg tablets. They are hard to cut in
> half, but for a long time, that is what I had to do since originally the
> compounding pharmacy only had the 2 mg size tablets. The tablets are very
> small and powdery when split, and dissolve very quickly with very little
> moisture. Therefore, it made life a lot easier when the compounding
> pharmacy started providing 1 mg sized tablets. If you can only get 2 mg
> tablets, you also have the option of just giving them once a day, but I
> think it is better to give 1 mg, 2 times a day.
>
>
>
> I have no idea where you are located or how big the compounding pharmacy
> is that my vet uses, but it is called Chiron. (I’m in Ontario, Canada, and
> I think this compounding pharmacy is located close to Guelph Ontario, near
> the vet college there).
>
>
>
> Definitely start your cat on the Winstrol as soon as possible. I have also
> found Winstrol helpful in a cat I highly suspected of having FIP. She is
> fine now.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Jane Gannon
> *Sent:* November-17-15 11:54 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>
>
>
> I have had the worst nightmare happen to me.  I have a large cat family, I
> used to work at a cat rescue organization and I also help any cats that
> show up at my door.  Last year one of my two outdoor cats started to loose
> weight.  He was 12 so I thought maybe kidney or  hyperthyroid.  He started
> having anisocoria (one pupil lager than the other) and then I noticed  3
> other cats with the same thing. I researched online and found that it can
> happen to FELV+ cats.  So I took them all to the vet and found out they
> were positive.  I then took the rest of my cat family and found out I had a
> total of 10 positives and  12 negatives.  I vacinated the negatives and am
> letting them all live together.  Since that time I have lost 5. Two older
> ones actually died from kidney disease, I had to euthanise my son's 2 two
> year olds cats, one developed FIP and the other ended u

Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

[Jetty Dijkshoorn]

I am so sorry to hear about the loss of your furry friends. Luckily my
suspected FELV sweetheart Dolce is doing really well at this moment. He
went from very lethargic with pale gums and nose to a lively guy with the
help of 1 tablet of prednisolon every other day. I am very much interested
in starting with Winstrol to help his RBC go further up but not sure
whether I have to stop using the prednisolon or use both of them
together.We live in the Netherlands and I already found out that I can buy
the 2 mg tablets in an online shop for a reasonable price.
I want to thank all the members of this forum for all your stories and
advises. There is not much knowledge here about FELV and it is very common
to put cats to sleep after very uncertain snaptest diagnosyses. So glad
that thanks to your encouraging advises he is still a very happy cat.
Although I am a bit concerned about a lump he developed under his left eye.
It does not seem to bother him but I hope it does not grow any further.

Jetty an Dolce



2015-11-19 2:16 GMT+01:00 Jane Gannon :

> Do I just keep him on this indefinetely?  Do I have to keep having his
> blood tested, how often?  How long did this help your cat?  Do you still
> have this cat?
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Amani Oakley 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 18, 2015 10:38 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>
> Hi Jane
>
>
>
> Speak with your vet. He probably uses a compounding pharmacy for other
> types of medication. This is where my vet gets Winstrol. Our vet can get
> the Winstrol in 2 strengths: 2 mg and 1 mg tablets. They are hard to cut in
> half, but for a long time, that is what I had to do since originally the
> compounding pharmacy only had the 2 mg size tablets. The tablets are very
> small and powdery when split, and dissolve very quickly with very little
> moisture. Therefore, it made life a lot easier when the compounding
> pharmacy started providing 1 mg sized tablets. If you can only get 2 mg
> tablets, you also have the option of just giving them once a day, but I
> think it is better to give 1 mg, 2 times a day.
>
>
>
> I have no idea where you are located or how big the compounding pharmacy
> is that my vet uses, but it is called Chiron. (I’m in Ontario, Canada, and
> I think this compounding pharmacy is located close to Guelph Ontario, near
> the vet college there).
>
>
>
> Definitely start your cat on the Winstrol as soon as possible. I have also
> found Winstrol helpful in a cat I highly suspected of having FIP. She is
> fine now.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Jane Gannon
> *Sent:* November-17-15 11:54 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>
>
>
> I have had the worst nightmare happen to me.  I have a large cat family, I
> used to work at a cat rescue organization and I also help any cats that
> show up at my door.  Last year one of my two outdoor cats started to loose
> weight.  He was 12 so I thought maybe kidney or  hyperthyroid.  He started
> having anisocoria (one pupil lager than the other) and then I noticed  3
> other cats with the same thing. I researched online and found that it can
> happen to FELV+ cats.  So I took them all to the vet and found out they
> were positive.  I then took the rest of my cat family and found out I had a
> total of 10 positives and  12 negatives.  I vacinated the negatives and am
> letting them all live together.  Since that time I have lost 5. Two older
> ones actually died from kidney disease, I had to euthanise my son's 2 two
> year olds cats, one developed FIP and the other ended up getting
> neurological problems until he could no longer walk.  I euthanised one that
> was having difficulty breathing and was no longer eating.  So I searched
> for a group that was going through the same thing so maybe I could learn
> about what can be done.  Grayson, who is positive, is now loosing weight.
> He is 12 so I hoped maybe kidney or hyperthyroid so I had his blood tested
> and he does not have either.  He is starting to have the sylmptoms of
> FELV.  His hematocrit is 19 and he also has an abcess on his face that
> doesn't want to heal.  He is acting like his old self and eating well.
> I know my vet would not have a problem using winstrol, he has always worked
> with me.   Where would he get it from?  Should I start it now before he
> gets worse.
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* kat 
>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 17, 2015 5:22 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>
>
>
> Maya - I am so sorry for your loss.
>
>
>
> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>
>
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 17, 2015 at 7:59 AM
> *From:* "Maya D'Alessio" 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>
> Merlot left us yesterday 

[Felvtalk] Interferon Alpha,

[Jetty Dijkshoorn]

Good day to you,

 I am new to your forum. 2 weeks ago a sweet tomcat decided that he wanted
to join our group of 6 cats. Since umber 7 seemed a bit too much I found
him a new owner but before given her this lovely guy. I went for a check up
at the vet. He saw that he suffered from amnesia and tested him on feline
leukemia and unfortunately this test turned out positive. As he is doing
much better now than 2 weeks ago. He gained a  lot of weight and starts
playing again I want to try to keep him healthy as long as possible.
Looking for medicatons I landed on your very informational website. I think
I want to start by giving him interferon alpha but this is very expensive
in my country.

I saw that a liquid interferoon should not be that expensive, but the
island pharmacy website is no longer in the air. Have you got another
company and website where I could buy this medication? If I go for
treatment in the Netherlands it will cost me 5 times as much.

Thank you for your advise and keep up the good work.

Jetty Dijkshoorn
Holland
jdidu...@dubai.com
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[Felvtalk] Interferon Alpha,

[Jetty Dijkshoorn]

Good day to you,

 I am new to your forum. 2 weeks ago a sweet tomcat decided that he wanted
to join our group of 6 cats. Since umber 7 seemed a bit too much I found
him a new owner but before given her this lovely guy. I went for a check up
at the vet. He saw that he suffered from amnesia and tested him on feline
leukemia and unfortunately this test turned out positive. As he is doing
much better now than 2 weeks ago. He gained a  lot of weight and starts
playing again I want to try to keep him healthy as long as possible.
Looking for medicatons I landed on your very informational website. I think
I want to start by giving him interferon alpha but this is very expensive
in my country.

I saw that a liquid interferoon should not be that expensive, but the
island pharmacy website is no longer in the air. Have you got another
company and website where I could buy this medication? If I go for
treatment in the Netherlands it will cost me 5 times as much.

Thank you for your advise and keep up the good work.

Jetty Dijkshoorn
Holland
jdidu...@dubai.com
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Alpha,

[Jetty Dijkshoorn]

Hi Lance,

thanks so much for your reply, very much appreciated. I checked on the
internet and found 10 ug at eur 152,00 at a webshop. Is that a price which
sounds reasonable to you as I have no clue at all. Talked to my vet this
afternoon and he was not that positive about using interferon. Wallie seems
to be doing right now he is eating a lot and is feelling much better than
when I let him in. The vet prescribed him antibiotics and a prednisone
treatment. If necessary will give him this interferom as well,

Waiting for your feedback,

Kind regards,
Jetty Dijkshoorn



2014-06-03 18:12 GMT+02:00 Lance lini...@fastmail.fm:

 Hi Jetty,

 You might check here for interferon alpha:
 http://www.roadrunnerpharmacy.com

 Road Runner is an American pharmacy that specializes in medicine for
 animals. I have ordered interferon alpha from them a number of times.

 I am surprised that interferon alpha, a human product, would be
 prohibitively expensive in the Netherlands, as it seems to be widely used
 and produced. I’m hoping that someone there can get it for you cheaper than
 it would cost to have it shipped overseas.

 I would seriously consider looking into Virbagen Omega, a feline
 recombinant interferon. It will be expensive, though it should be somewhat
 cheaper than it is for Americans (we need it flown overseas, overnight. VO
 is not given all the time. Usually, the doses are given over several weeks’
 time, then the drug is discontinued.

 Virbagen Omega is the only treatment that has been proven to positively
 affect the course of the disease. All other drugs, including interferon
 alpha, have not shown any efficacy in scientific trials. See the Retrovirus
 Guidelines document available here:


 http://www.catvets.com/guidelines/practice-guidelines/retrovirus-management-guidelines

 Best wishes and hopes for you and your tomcat friend,

 Lance

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 6:45 AM, Jetty Dijkshoorn jdidu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good day to you,

  I am new to your forum. 2 weeks ago a sweet tomcat decided that he wanted
 to join our group of 6 cats. Since umber 7 seemed a bit too much I found
 him a new owner but before given her this lovely guy. I went for a check up
 at the vet. He saw that he suffered from amnesia and tested him on feline
 leukemia and unfortunately this test turned out positive. As he is doing
 much better now than 2 weeks ago. He gained a  lot of weight and starts
 playing again I want to try to keep him healthy as long as possible.
 Looking for medicatons I landed on your very informational website. I think
 I want to start by giving him interferon alpha but this is very expensive
 in my country.

 I saw that a liquid interferoon should not be that expensive, but the
 island pharmacy website is no longer in the air. Have you got another
 company and website where I could buy this medication? If I go for
 treatment in the Netherlands it will cost me 5 times as much.

 Thank you for your advise and keep up the good work.

 Jetty Dijkshoorn
 Holland
 jdidu...@dubai.com

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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon Alpha,

[Jetty Dijkshoorn]

Dear Lance,
Thanks again for all your help. I am considering to give him the Virbagen
Omega. He is only a very tiny guy so the costs would be ok. My vet is not
convinced about the effect of interferon and that in respect to the total
cost, he wanted to try the cheaper way first.  Wally is really doing ok now
but the vet told me that his red blood cel value was only 1/3 of the normal
value. But any way I see a lot of progression in his behaviour and his
looks since the day he came. I think I will wait for this cure to end and
then take a decision on the interferon. One of my nephews is a vet, think I
could try to get it through him. I am a bit scared to take my own decision
on this behind the back of my vet.



2014-06-03 20:56 GMT+02:00 Lance lini...@fastmail.fm:

 You’re welcome. I only wish I could help more.

 30ml of interferon alpha costs me about $45 in the US. That includes
 shipping, I think.

 How is the tomcat’s anemia? Did the vet run new blood work to see if his
 feeling better correlates to a rise in red blood cell values?

 Interferon alpha could be expensive over the long run, just because you
 (or the new owner) would be buying it monthly. If I was in your situation
 (particularly being in Europe), and my cat had presented with anemia, I
 would look into Virbagen Omega instead. This drug is available in France,
 so it seems like it should be available throughout western and central
 Europe.

 Virbagen Omega is made for cats, and according to the literature we have,
 it makes a difference in survival time. Interferon alpha is a human drug,
 and the only evidence we have that it helps is anecdotal, not scientific.
 I’m not saying it doesn’t help. I just lost my FeLV+ girl, Ember, who had
 the virus for a minimum of eight years, and she did very well. I used
 interferon alpha on her. But, Virbagen Omega is not available here, and it
 costs a lot of money to get it sent over, so we used what was available.

 Bottom line: I’m encouraging you to see if you can get Virbagen Omega in
 the Netherlands. If you can, and if the price-to-dose isn’t prohibitive, it
 would seem (according to what the literature says) that you would be better
 off giving the tomcat the limited number of doses of Virbagen Omega as
 opposed to keeping him on interferon alpha from here on out. But you (and
 the new owner) must do what feels right and what makes sense.

 If your vet is uncertain about interferon alpha and unfamiliar with
 Virbagen Omega, I would call around to find someone who has more
 experience. At the least, you could consult with them and get a “second
 opinion”.

 Best regards,

 Lance

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Jetty Dijkshoorn jdidu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Lance,

 thanks so much for your reply, very much appreciated. I checked on the
 internet and found 10 ug at eur 152,00 at a webshop. Is that a price which
 sounds reasonable to you as I have no clue at all. Talked to my vet this
 afternoon and he was not that positive about using interferon. Wallie seems
 to be doing right now he is eating a lot and is feelling much better than
 when I let him in. The vet prescribed him antibiotics and a prednisone
 treatment. If necessary will give him this interferom as well,

 Waiting for your feedback,

 Kind regards,
 Jetty Dijkshoorn



 2014-06-03 18:12 GMT+02:00 Lance lini...@fastmail.fm:

 Hi Jetty,

 You might check here for interferon alpha:
 http://www.roadrunnerpharmacy.com

 Road Runner is an American pharmacy that specializes in medicine for
 animals. I have ordered interferon alpha from them a number of times.

 I am surprised that interferon alpha, a human product, would be
 prohibitively expensive in the Netherlands, as it seems to be widely used
 and produced. I’m hoping that someone there can get it for you cheaper than
 it would cost to have it shipped overseas.

 I would seriously consider looking into Virbagen Omega, a feline
 recombinant interferon. It will be expensive, though it should be somewhat
 cheaper than it is for Americans (we need it flown overseas, overnight. VO
 is not given all the time. Usually, the doses are given over several weeks’
 time, then the drug is discontinued.

 Virbagen Omega is the only treatment that has been proven to positively
 affect the course of the disease. All other drugs, including interferon
 alpha, have not shown any efficacy in scientific trials. See the Retrovirus
 Guidelines document available here:


 http://www.catvets.com/guidelines/practice-guidelines/retrovirus-management-guidelines

 Best wishes and hopes for you and your tomcat friend,

 Lance

 On Jun 3, 2014, at 6:45 AM, Jetty Dijkshoorn jdidu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good day to you,

  I am new to your forum. 2 weeks ago a sweet tomcat decided that he
 wanted to join our group of 6 cats. Since umber 7 seemed a bit too much I
 found him a new owner but before given her this lovely guy. I went for a
 check up at the vet. He saw that he suffered from amnesia and tested him on
 feline

Re: [Felvtalk] prednisone

[Jetty Dijkshoorn]

Thanks Marsha,for your advise..all very welcome. I am very new to this
subject. I am the lucky owner of 6 healthy cats and do all the best I can
to make this little guy feel good..and he won't recover I will make sure
that he doesn't have to suffer.




2014-06-03 21:58 GMT+02:00 Marsha mar...@lynxe.com:

 Jetty,

 Regarding prednisone - it will make a cat feel better and stimulate the
 appetite.  It also sometimes can shrink certain kinds of tumors
 temporarily.  But keep in mind that it also suppresses the immune system,
 which you usually want to avoid in a FeLV+ cat.  Prednisone / Prednisolone
 is a great drug, but be sure to balance the benefits against the negatives
 for each specific cat.  Prednisone will suppress inflammation, so it is
 harder to tell if your cat has developed an infection.  Infections in a
 FeLV+ cat need to be treated quickly and for a longer time period.

 Marsha

 On 6/3/2014 12:12 PM, Jetty Dijkshoorn wrote:

 Hi Lance,

 thanks so much for your reply, very much appreciated. I checked on the
 internet and found 10 ug at eur 152,00 at a webshop. Is that a price which
 sounds reasonable to you as I have no clue at all. Talked to my vet this
 afternoon and he was not that positive about using interferon. Wallie seems
 to be doing right now he is eating a lot and is feelling much better than
 when I let him in. The vet prescribed him antibiotics and a prednisone
 treatment. If necessary will give him this interferom as well,



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