Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

2012-10-09 Thread Joslin Potter
I've seen them for sale on e-bay, the nematodes that is.

 


 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
  
Nematodes - do you mean like I get for japanese beetles in my yard?  If not, 
what is name and where do I get them?


 GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: 
 I actually use Frontline on incoming cats with fleas..just that once, then
 it's the friendly little nematodes!
 
  
 
  
 
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
 Evans
 Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 4:53 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
 
  
 
 I don't believe that the doses would be different because you break the big
 one into 7 doses (as in Frontline Plus).  I was afraid to do this at first
 because I thought it might somehow be different than the single doses but if
 you think about it, there's no sediment at the bottom of the tube.  It's all
 uniformly mixed so no possibility of different strengths from breaking up
 the tube into smaller doses. What you are paying for in the standard cat
 dose is the packaging.  You are paying for 3 plastic tubes instead of one
 larger plastic tube.  I don't feel that plastic tubes are so great that  I
 want to pay $15 extra above the cost of the ingredients.  I wish more stuff
 was on a bring your own bottle basis.  Some stuff in the grocery store is
 sold that way - peanut butter, honey, some cosmetics.  Everything else is
 over-packaged so that when you finish your juice or your ketchup or
 whatever, you either toss the package, bottle  into the landfill or you have
 to lug it to recycle if you don't live in a city with curbside pick-up.  I
 have been breaking Frontline Plus and Revolution into cat size doses for
 years.  Haven't tried Advantage though because it goes by weight and that's
 a little more work intensive, since I have several cats who can't fit
 through the doorway and several more who could slip through the keyhole.
 
  
 
  
 
 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
 neighbors too!
 
  
 
   _  
 
 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:40 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
 
 
 On 10-05, Edna Taylor wrote:
     My vet frowns on using any dog flea product on cats because she said
     even though it is the same ingredients, the portions of the same
     ingredients may be different. 
 
 The vet will make much more money if you give individual doses. I cannot do
 this as I have 24 rescued cats at this time, and at $15. a pop, every month,
 I'd be broke in no time, so I buy flea stuff from CAnada or overseas and
 dose down from the big dog size.  However, dosing down from the big dog
 size MUST be carefully figured out so the cats are not hurt.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2012-10-09 Thread Joslin Potter
   
 I agree with you Lee, I don't see any issue with hunting.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  


The Lord replied,‘The times when you have seen only one set of footprints in 
the sand, is when I carried you MS
 


 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
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Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 12:20 PM
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   People who hunt for the trophy are wrong.  Those who hunt to help feed their 
family are right.  Politicians will tell you what they think you want to hear 
and do what they want.  I am desperate enough this year to vote for one of my 
cats - write in vote. Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote:  This 
list has always been so very helpful-now it is full of judgmental people that 
do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this 
list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the 
world hunt-they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then 
the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information 
about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It 
is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the 
list in the first place. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] for Lee

2012-10-09 Thread Joslin Potter
   
  
Nothing angers me more then people who get rid of their pets because they 
become to much work. More so the people who have the 10 yr old cat/dog and 
are having a baby so they need to rehome the cat/dog, or they just don't have 
time anymore that the animal needs. Why didn't they think of this before 
getting the animal? And in all honesty, my grandmother gave me a hard time for 
having 2 cats when my daughter was born one was 2 and the other was 11... Once 
the baby was born i don't ever recall them getting into her bed or drinking her 
milk if anything they were terrified! I live in an area where we get a lot of 
drop offs, and it's pretty depressing, I would like to keep them all, most are 
skittish and scared, sometimes they come back and sometimes they don't... I 
woudl love to drop off those people somewhere! 

The Lord replied,‘The times when you have seen only one set of footprints in 
the sand, is when I carried you MS
 


 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] for Lee
   I agree with that!  We keep extending our lives and breeding with no regard 
as to how we will feed and care for the children.  So many just let hem run 
wild and then they start making babies.  Some even do it for the money - one 
lady in news recently admitted she had children and encouraged her daughters to 
do same for the money they get for each baby.  WHAT HAPPENED TO OUR MORALS, 
SENSE OF RIGHT AND WRONG?  Then we let cats and dogs breed so the children can 
witness the miracle of birth and have a little kitten/puppy.  Then when it 
becomes too much trouble, out it goes like and old piece of clothing.  All of 
my cats came in as ferals or dump cats left behind by uncaring owners. 
Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:  Lee,   We think alike.  
Humans are the main cause of most of the problems on earth!  Too bad we have 
to keep feeding hunters, irresponsible pet owners, polluters, and other jerks 
like this.  Lorrie  On
 10-04, Lee Evans wrote:     During the years of concentration camps, very 
few babies were born to     the women who were being tortured there, even 
though rape was rampant.     It wasn't that they turned off their 
reproductive system because it     was a legitimate rape but because below 
a certain nutritional level,     the body of a woman can't sustain a 
pregnancy and miscarries.  Deer and     other wild animal populations 
regulate themselves during times when     food is scarce and then grow during 
times when food is readily     available.  Feeding corn to deer in the winter 
assures all these     darling sport hunters of a good stock of victims for 
their sport when     deer season arrives again.  If hunting and eating the 
victim is a good     means of population control, maybe we should reconsider 
cannibalism.     Humans are soon going to outgrow themselves.  There are 8 
billion of us    
 infecting the planet at this time and if even half of those breed, we     
will have another 4 billion within a year or two..       Spay and Neuter 
your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty     neighbors too!  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

2012-10-09 Thread Joslin Potter
I don't think 4H is that bad, is a great way for agriculture’s future leaders 
to learn first-hand the ins and outs of the livestock business, and it’s an 
outstanding activity to keep young people busy, engaged and out of trouble in 
the summer months, most state fairs are family events, they have contests, and 
it's hard work. I know a lot of the local farmers in my area use it as an 
advantage to buy cattle and sell them as well. Plus, they are always cleaning 
up after these animals at the fairs, I mean they are on show you know? I guess 
it's all about how you raise your kids. My girlfriend always raised chickens 
for the county fairs and at the end of the season the chicken would become 
dinner or into the freezer. I know this sounds gruesome but the logic was it 
was home grown without chemicals, and the chicken is food. 


~ * Joslin Irene *~
 


 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
  
That's exactly how I feel about the 4-H Club!~ It totally tries to desensitize 
children's feelings for animals!



-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 12:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

I am in a rural area and they all think I am crazy because I have 7 cats and 
think they have rights.  I don't think i could ever be a successful farmer 
because I would have to kill the animals.  One look in their eyes and that 
would be it for me.  These animals are raised to trust us for food and care and 
then one day we kill them plus the treatment they get from some while being 
raised for the slaughter is deploreable. At least when you meet a lion, 
buffalo, sow with babies, you know what to expect and if you are smart, you 
turn tail and run for shelter.  That is why I am not too keen on 4H.  They hand 
raise the animal, groom it and almost turn it into a pet and then after the 
fair, it is sold to someone for slaughter.  A betrayal is ever I saw one.


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Re: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Too much OT posting

2012-10-09 Thread Joslin Potter

I'm really sorry James, I didn't mean to blow up peoples mailboxes I was just 
curous of what other people thought of the election, it's nice to hear from 
people other than the ones you come in contact with everyday or family. 

~ * Joslin Irene *~
 


 From: James G Wilson phaed...@charter.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 11:33 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Too much OT posting
  
Hey all, 

Hope everyone is doing well. I have received a number of 
complaints privately about the amount of OT posting of 
late. There are a lot of people whose mailboxes simply 
cannot handle the volume of extraneous mail. Also, 
people should be respectful of the mission of this group 
and try to stay on topic as much as possible. Yes, OT 
posts once in awhile are ok. But, it has gotten a bit out of 
hand of late. So, please try to keep posts on topic again. 
Thank you all for your cooperation. After all, we are all 
here for our cats and for each other. Kind regards.

James G. Wilson - FeLV list administrator
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

2012-10-09 Thread Joslin Potter
As a small game hunter myself, however, I can understand why one might be upset 
with the system of eating certain animals and not others. I know in countries 
overseas like Thialand, China, and Korea they acutally eat dogs and cats, so I 
can understand your sensitivity when you refer to a rabbit/chicken having a 
difference of opinion. Since starting this group I joined Change.org in hopes 
that by signing my name I might be able to make a change, however, the country 
girl in my can't kick the deer steaks and my all time favirote snapper turtle, 
but I do respect your choice to be an omnivour. 


~ * Joslin Irene *~

  


 From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
  

I think the chicken would have a different opinion as to whether she is food or 
not.  The main thing is that humans are omnivorous.  We can survive quite 
nicely without ever eating an animal or even eating animal products.  Killing a 
chicken, a cow, a pig, a lamb, a rabbit, a fox for his fur, a fish because he 
doesn't have legs and lives in water instead of air is just not right.  I can't 
do it because I have a choice and I choose to allow members of other species to 
live.  It don't feel that 4H would be a bad idea if the kids were growing giant 
tomatoes and pumpkins.  I applaud farming, especially organic farming.  But 
raising a  700 pound pig or steer called Baby and then winning over a 
thousand dollars so Baby can be turned into bacon or steaks is just not my idea 
of teaching kids ethics.  What it is is teaching kids that sometimes it's OK to 
send your friend off to be slaughtered.  Lots of 4H kids are traumatized when 
the final day comes
 and they have to leave their friend and know he or she is going to be killed.  
Even the money is not solace.  So what type of lesson do they learn? That they 
have just taken part in a ritualized and accepted form of murder.  Think about 
how horrified we are if we hear about some country where killing dogs and cats 
for food is acceptable.  Why do we consider some animals food and some as 
respected companions and family members?  When you think about that, maybe you 
won't be a 4H enthusiast any more.



Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!


 


 From: Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
  

I don't think 4H is that bad, is a great way for agriculture’s future leaders 
to learn first-hand the ins and outs of the livestock business, and it’s an 
outstanding activity to keep young people busy, engaged and out of trouble in 
the summer months, most state fairs are family events, they have contests, and 
it's hard work. I know a lot of the local farmers in my area use it as an 
advantage to buy cattle and sell them as well. Plus, they are always cleaning 
up after these animals at the fairs, I mean they are on show you know? I guess 
it's all about how you raise your kids. My girlfriend always raised chickens 
for the county fairs and at the end of the season the chicken would become 
dinner or into the freezer. I know this sounds gruesome but the logic was it 
was home grown without chemicals, and the chicken is food. 


~ * Joslin Irene *~
 


 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting
  
That's exactly how I feel about the 4-H Club!~ It totally tries to desensitize 
children's feelings for animals!



-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 12:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

I am in a rural area and they all think I am crazy because I have 7 cats and 
think they have rights.  I don't think i could ever be a successful farmer 
because I would have to kill the animals.  One
 look in their eyes and that would be it for me.  These animals are raised to 
trust us for
 food and care and then one day we kill them plus the treatment they get from 
some while being raised for the slaughter is deploreable. At least when you 
meet a lion, buffalo, sow with babies, you know what to expect and if you are 
smart, you turn tail and run for shelter.  That is why I am not too keen on 
4H.  They hand raise the animal, groom it and almost turn it into a pet and 
then after the fair, it is sold to someone for slaughter.  A betrayal is ever I 
saw one.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter

2012-10-08 Thread Joslin Potter
I really like the Worlds best cat litter, it's not only flushable but doesn't 
have that dust either. 15 lb bag lasts me about 3 weeks or so with 2 cats.

 


 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
  
I use scoopable litter, but I use the dust free kind. Some scoopable
litter is so dusty clouds of it billow up and this is obviously bad
stuff.  I never use any scoopinig litter with small kittens, but 
with as many grown cats as I have (total 24) I use very large litter 
boxes and I simply can't lift them (to dump) when they are filled with 
the clay litter. I have painful arthritis and I'm ancient... almost 80.

I'd really like to hear from others on the list about who uses clay
litter and who uses scoopable.  Fresh Step and Tidy Cat scoopable don't
seem to have any dust at all, but it's scary to think scoopable litter
is so bad.

Lorrie


On 10-08, Natalie wrote:
 
    Liter, especially clumping litter, should be banned - I have tons of
    info on it, how a company responded to a concerned cat owner, Buyer
    beware.  I discourage all my adopters from using it.  Sodium bentonite
    is fatal to cats if they inhale it, eat it, inadvertently when cleaning
    themselves - or kittens, while playing.
 
    People always seem to think that if something is expensive, it must be
    the best - and they want the best for their cats!  Hartz litter is
    pretty disgusting, too!
 
    Natalie
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?

2012-10-05 Thread Joslin Potter
When we found out Zoey was + with FeLV I automatically thought like what your 
describing, he was going to have to be laid to rest, however, my vet was very 
optimistic and caring. She assured me that things were going to be fine, 
different, but fine. Thye stood by my decision to keep him alive, they would 
call once a month to check in on him, and always were very accomidating in 
providing care at a decent price. However a few weeks ago when we took him in, 
before putting him down, she even shed a tear herself that he was in a lot of 
pain, and they could treat him but it didn't look like he was going to stay 
better. So, we made the decision. 
 
But you are correct. A lot of people even that when we told them that Zoey was 
special they would ask why? Why would you want a cat tat was sick like that 
and I've even been called Selfish for letting him suffer, however the first 
year was a little ruff, but the three years later, up until 6 months before we 
put him down, you couldn't even tell.
 
- Joslin
 


 From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:00 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Why Are You Keeping This Cat Alive?
  

One of the strangest problems I face with my FeLv+ and FIV+ cats is going to 
the vet for a simple health issue.  I bring in a fat, sleek cat with a URI and 
the vet asks me, in the course of treatment Is this one of  your FeLv+ or FIV+ 
cats?  Well, I have to say yes because we are at the doctor's office and it's 
not good to hide medical facts from your cat's doctor, right?  And most of the 
time, even though the vet knows my opinion on cats who have these two 
disorders, the cat is viewed as different from another cat with a URI or 
diarrhea, or whatever simple issue the cat is going through and several times I 
have gotten a lecture of the This Is The Beginning Of The End type along with 
the antibiotic shot or whatever the protocol was for the actual issue.  I find 
this annoying and frightening because I feel that my special needs cats are 
being treated as hopeless and perhaps are being given less appropriate 
treatment than my regular cats.  Has
 anyone noticed this problem with their feline health care provider?  There is 
one vet who I used for 15 years until I moved 50 miles away that never did this 
and never made me feel that I was selfishly keeping a sick cat alive.  I would 
bring in my FIV+ and FeLv+ kits and he would treat them the same way he would 
treat the others.  Even when I would tell him that Wally or Sugar or whoever, 
was FIV+ or Taco was FeLv+ he would say, Yes, I know.  I did the test, 
remember? But this is just an upper respiratory infection. and that would be 
it.  Shot given, pills prescribed, bill paid.  I wish all vets were like that.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread Joslin Potter

Honestly, I found that a good old fashion bath with dawn dish soap 
and flea comb has been our best defense this year. ( along with a few house 
bombs) It sucks having to give everyone a bath but i like it more then putting 
greasy drops on my pets.
 


 From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products
  

I 
bought Frontline for my foster cats last summer and it was completely 
ineffective. The next time I was at my vet’s office, I mentioned it (because 
that’s where I bought it). The vet on duty (not my regular) said she had 
recently heard many similar complaints and surmised that fleas in our area were 
building an immunity to it.  
 
I 
switched to Advantage and it’s worked well. However, since then, I found a 
source for a generic equivalent and I’ve been using it for about a year now 
with 
no complaints. It’s $10 (free shipping) for 18 treatments for small cats or 9 
treatments for larger cats. If anyone is interested, the company is 
http://www.fleakiller.co/ 
 
I 
have no personal interest in this company or site. I’m just a very satisfied 
customer.  
 
Cindy 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products

2012-10-05 Thread Joslin Potter
I agree, my girlfriend went to vet in dispair trying to find something to help 
her cats rid of the fleas and they offered her a discount for Revolution, once 
upon her cats they too began losing their fur at the site of application, what 
was worse some of them were fighting her to put on so it was patchy. It's still 
not grown in correctly like before.

 


 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw:  Flea Products
  
I GOT rEVOLUTION ONCE AND IT CAUSED THEM TO LOOSE THEIR HAIR AT THE APPLICATION 
POINT.  THEN THE HAIR CAME BACK IN SNOW WHITE.  NOT TOO FOUND OF THAT.  VET 
AGREED AND WE STOPPED IT.

 Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 I'm not sure that fleas can become immune to meds.  The ones who are on the 
 cat die.  The ones who hatch from the floor jump on the cat, die.  The ones 
 who lay eggs are apparently still alive so how can they become immune to a 
 product?  Unless Super Flea survives the treatment and goes on to reproduce.  
 But it's probably a good idea to switch products any way.  Some are good for 
 treating heavy flea infestations (Frontline Plus) and some have mange, worm 
 prevention also, Revolution.  I have not had good results with Revolution on 
 fleas although it's great for preventing mange and sometimes reducing 
 infestation of earmites.  I find that Advantage is also good for heavy flea 
 infestation but I haven't tried it yet.  I have Frontline Plus right now and 
 am on my way to treat the little lions, tigers and panthers.


 
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too!





From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: FeLV Talk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 4:06 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw:  Flea Products





Well I Googled before  did again. The only thing I can find is that some cats 
are more prone to Moxidectin toxicity, which is why you have to be so careful 
about dosages.
The Multi formula has meds for fleas - Imidacloprid  heartworm larvae - 
Moxidectin

Either way the dog Multi has bit had much effect on my cats this year. I've 
heard some people say you should switch products periodically to keep the fleas 
from becoming immune to the
meds.

Beth


 
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From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products



It's been a while since I read that about the dog Multi, however I doubt 
they've changed ingredients.  I can't remember what ingredient it is in the dog 
multi that's bad for cats.  I found the info online though so I know it's out 
there.  Maybe what I read was wrong though.  Find out what ingredient is bad 
and ask your vet if he knows the dog multi has that ingredient in there and 
tell him someone told you it was bad for cats.  I'd go back and look it up if I 
had time but I've got to get back to work cause the CPAs will be here Monday to 
audit the books for my company. 
 
“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 



Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 12:56:46 -0700
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products


Oh great!. My vet said the Multi was OK.But it still isn't working


 
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 



From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products



Also - don't get Advantage Multi for Dogs and break it down for cats.  Regular 
Advantage for dogs is okay to break down for cats but don't use the Multi.  
Some extra ingredient in there is bad news for cats.  Obviously the cat Multi 
is okay.

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profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 






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Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw

2012-10-04 Thread Joslin Potter

I no longer declaw my cats, Zoey passed away a week ago, I no longer declaw 
my cats.  
 


 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw
  
You declawed your cat?  I will send you some information about
this.  It is NOT a good thing to do.

People don't realize what's involved when a cat is declawed. They
think it's just a manicure, but it's actually amputation of the
digit of each toe along with the nail.  It's a very serious and
excruciatingly painful surgery to inflict on cats and kittens. It 
is in fact ten different amputations!

Because some veterinarians advocate it, to make extra $$$, people
believe that there are no risks involved and think it's merely a
simple procedure.  It is NOT.  

Veterinarians who perform this surgery do not tell people that this
surgery can cause all or a combination of all the following
Personality changes, such as withdrawal, unpredictability  biting
(they now feel helpless, as biting is their only means of defense).
The most common problem with declawed cats is urinating and 
defecating outside of the litter box.  The reason is that it is
extremely painful to step on litter after the surgery, and in many
cases a cat will never use it's box again.

Walk into any shelter and you'll see many declawed cats there who
have been given up, due to one or more of the above reasons.

Here's a perfect example:  We know of a couple who, when expecting a
baby, had their two adult cats declawed; what they got instead, was
far more dangerous to a baby than scratching - unpredictable and
serious biting! They had no choice but to have their cats of 6
years killed because no one in their right mind would adopt them.

Cats need claws for many reasons During play her claws snag
flying toys out of the air and hold them in place. A cat uses claws
to scratch an itch, manipulate catnip mice, grip a narrow catwalk,
hoist her body up to a high-up perch.  Most important of all, claws
are lifesavers, enabling a cat to climb to safety or thwart an
attacker if she should get outside by accident.

All this and much more is lost when a cat is declawed.

Unlike routine recoveries, including recovery from neutering
surgeries, which are fairly peaceful, declawing surgery results in
excruciating pain.  Cats huddle in the corner of the recovery cage,
immobilized in a state of helplessness, overwhelmed with pain.
Declawing is a major operation. The patient is first put under
general anesthesia, as the pain would be torturous without it. A
tourniquet is placed around the first paw to be declawed. The
veterinarian then performs a series of ten amputations. Each
amputation removes the claw and the bone into which it is firmly
rooted. The supporting tendons and ligaments for each claw are
severed. The surrounding soft tissue and flesh is cut off, and a
veterinary technician bandages up kitty's paws to soak up the blood.
Kitty is now declawed. The retractable claws that she would have used
throughout her life for scratching, playing, walking, and self
defense lie in a heap on the table, waiting to get thrown out
with the trash.

Declawing Sites

www. stopdeclaw.com     a powerful anti-declaw site.

http://www.declawing.com/ -- veterinarian Christianne Schelling describes
declawing in plain English.

http://www.de-clawing.com/

http://www.declaw.com/

http://www.catscratching.com/

Declawing has been banned in over 20 other countries. I think the 
only reason it's still done here is vets make a lot of money from it,
plus people are uninformed about how cruel and painful it is.


On 10-03, Joslin Potter wrote:
    You make a good point Natialie, When we took Zoey in to be fixed and
    declawed we didn't realize that in a few months when he was dx with
    FeLV that we would be seeing them a lot more often then planned, I also
    recommened them to everyone and sometimes get discounts for refering
    friends. 



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Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw

2012-10-04 Thread Joslin Potter
thanks everyone for the information. i know it is wrong and i no longer do it 
to my animals, the last one i did was over 5 years ago and he has long sinced 
passed. I felt horrible once i had seen what they really do. Thanks for the 
reminding information. 

 


 From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw
  

Also: http://www.pawproject.org/   Technically, it's like getting your fingers 
cut off at the first knuckle, except that all that cats have for fingers are 
their claws.  So it's really like having all your entire fingers (and thumbs) 
cut off, so you can't pick up anything anymore---and also (even if you only 
declaw the front) all of your toes, so you can't walk without pain (including 
back pain).   

Watch this:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NQOzwj41Pc




On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

You declawed your cat?  I will send you some information about
this.  It is NOT a good thing to do.

People don't realize what's involved when a cat is declawed. They
think it's just a manicure, but it's actually amputation of the
digit of each toe along with the nail.  It's a very serious and
excruciatingly painful surgery to inflict on cats and kittens. It
is in fact ten different amputations!

Because some veterinarians advocate it, to make extra $$$, people
believe that there are no risks involved and think it's merely a
simple procedure.  It is NOT.

Veterinarians who perform this surgery do not tell people that this
surgery can cause all or a combination of all the following
Personality changes, such as withdrawal, unpredictability  biting
(they now feel helpless, as biting is their only means of defense).
The most common problem with declawed cats is urinating and
defecating outside of the litter box.  The reason is that it is
extremely painful to step on litter after the surgery, and in many
cases a cat will never use it's box again.

Walk into any shelter and you'll see many declawed cats there who
have been given up, due to one or more of the above reasons.

Here's a perfect example:  We know of a couple who, when expecting a
baby, had their two adult cats declawed; what they got instead, was
far more dangerous to a baby than scratching - unpredictable and
serious biting! They had no choice but to have their cats of 6
years killed because no one in their right mind would adopt them.

Cats need claws for many reasons During play her claws snag
flying toys out of the air and hold them in place. A cat uses claws
to scratch an itch, manipulate catnip mice, grip a narrow catwalk,
hoist her body up to a high-up perch.  Most important of all, claws
are lifesavers, enabling a cat to climb to safety or thwart an
attacker if she should get outside by accident.

All this and much more is lost when a cat is declawed.

Unlike routine recoveries, including recovery from neutering
surgeries, which are fairly peaceful, declawing surgery results in
excruciating pain.  Cats huddle in the corner of the recovery cage,
immobilized in a state of helplessness, overwhelmed with pain.
Declawing is a major operation. The patient is first put under
general anesthesia, as the pain would be torturous without it. A
tourniquet is placed around the first paw to be declawed. The
veterinarian then performs a series of ten amputations. Each
amputation removes the claw and the bone into which it is firmly
rooted. The supporting tendons and ligaments for each claw are
severed. The surrounding soft tissue and flesh is cut off, and a
veterinary technician bandages up kitty's paws to soak up the blood.
Kitty is now declawed. The retractable claws that she would have used
throughout her life for scratching, playing, walking, and self
defense lie in a heap on the table, waiting to get thrown out
with the trash.

Declawing Sites

www. stopdeclaw.com     a powerful anti-declaw site.

http://www.declawing.com/ -- veterinarian Christianne Schelling describes
declawing in plain English.

http://www.de-clawing.com/

http://www.declaw.com/

http://www.catscratching.com/

Declawing has been banned in over 20 other countries. I think the
only reason it's still done here is vets make a lot of money from it,
plus people are uninformed about how cruel and painful it is.


On 10-03, Joslin Potter wrote:
    You make a good point Natialie, When we took Zoey in to be fixed and
    declawed we didn't realize that in a few months when he was dx with
    FeLV that we would be seeing them a lot more often then planned, I also
    recommened them to everyone and sometimes get discounts for refering
    friends.



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[Felvtalk] President

2012-10-04 Thread Joslin Potter
Hey guys not to get off from subject butI was interested in what everyone 
thinks about the Presidential Canidates, is their a reason why one should 
choose one over the other? Obama pledges support for nearly every animal 
protection bill currently pending in Congress, and says he will work with 
executive agencies such as the U.S. Department of Agriculture to make their 
policies more humane, according to Global Philosophy. However Mitt Romeny  has 
made no clear statements or policies on animal issues. Reports also show that 
Romney has received thousands in campaign donations from the HSUS. However, he 
has done a few things in his state for better laws in reference to animal 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw

2012-10-04 Thread Joslin Potter
Thanks, it's okay. He had FeLV and we did everything we could to keep him 
alive, he lived over four years with the disease. I was so proud of him, and 
happy that we got a chance to have him in our family.

 


 From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw
  

 
Lorrie,  I agree with you 100%.  My Mom has wanted to adopt several kittens I 
have had in the past and I have always told her NO because she declaws, then 
she complains that her cats aren't as sweet and social as they were when they 
were kittens and I say that's because you tortured and mutilated them, good 
going Mom.  That is one position that I will NOT back down from and I don't 
care if it hurts my Mom's feelings because she should have never done it in the 
first place and for what? furniture?  pppft.  Don't get 
me wrong, I love my Mom but I don't agree with what she did.  Declawing is 
cruel and inhumane :(
 
Joslin,  I am sorry for your loss of Zoey :(

Edna
 



Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 06:10:58 -0700
From: joslinir...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw


I no longer declaw my cats, Zoey passed away a week ago, I no longer declaw 
my cats.  
 


 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw
  
You declawed your cat?  I will send you some information about
this.  It is NOT a good thing to do.

People don't realize what's involved when a cat is declawed. They
think it's just a manicure, but it's actually amputation of the
digit of each toe along with the nail.  It's a very serious and
excruciatingly painful surgery to inflict on cats and kittens. It 
is in fact ten different amputations!

Because some veterinarians advocate it, to make extra $$$, people
believe that there are no risks involved and think it's merely a
simple procedure.  It is NOT.  

Veterinarians who perform this surgery do not tell people that this
surgery can cause all or a combination of all the following
Personality changes, such as withdrawal, unpredictability  biting
(they now feel helpless, as biting is their only means of defense).
The most common problem with declawed cats is
 urinating and 
defecating outside of the litter box.  The reason is that it is
extremely painful to step on litter after the surgery, and in many
cases a cat will never use it's box again.

Walk into any shelter and you'll see many declawed cats there who
have been given up, due to one or more of the above reasons.

Here's a perfect example:  We know of a couple who, when expecting a
baby, had their two adult cats declawed; what they got instead, was
far more dangerous to a baby than scratching - unpredictable and
serious biting! They had no choice but to have their cats of 6
years killed because no one in their right mind would adopt them.

Cats need claws for many reasons During play her claws snag
flying toys out of the air and hold them in place. A cat uses claws
to scratch an itch, manipulate catnip mice, grip a narrow catwalk,
hoist her body up to a high-up perch.  Most
 important of all, claws
are lifesavers, enabling a cat to climb to safety or thwart an
attacker if she should get outside by accident.

All this and much more is lost when a cat is declawed.

Unlike routine recoveries, including recovery from neutering
surgeries, which are fairly peaceful, declawing surgery results in
excruciating pain.  Cats huddle in the corner of the recovery cage,
immobilized in a state of helplessness, overwhelmed with pain.
Declawing is a major operation. The patient is first put under
general anesthesia, as the pain would be torturous without it. A
tourniquet is placed around the first paw to be declawed. The
veterinarian then performs a series of ten amputations. Each
amputation removes the claw and the bone into which it is firmly
rooted. The supporting tendons and ligaments for each claw are
severed. The surrounding soft tissue and flesh is cut off, and a
veterinary
 technician bandages up kitty's paws to soak up the blood.
Kitty is now declawed. The retractable claws that she would have used
throughout her life for scratching, playing, walking, and self
defense lie in a heap on the table, waiting to get thrown out
with the trash.

Declawing Sites

www. stopdeclaw.com     a powerful anti-declaw site.

http://www.declawing.com/ -- veterinarian Christianne Schelling describes
declawing in plain English.

http://www.de-clawing.com/

http://www.declaw.com/

http://www.catscratching.com/

Declawing has been banned in over 20 other countries. I think the 
only reason it's still
 done here is vets make a lot of money from it,
plus people are uninformed about how cruel and painful it is.


On 10-03, Joslin Potter wrote:
    You make

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Declaw

2012-10-04 Thread Joslin Potter
As a matter of fact I had set up an appointment with my vet for a fm cat we 
have and they offered it at a discount if i did it together. I'm going to be 
honest I don't see much of a difference from the declaw cat and the one that is 
not. As long as they have posts and one takes the time to let them know what 
they cannot do it i really don't see a need for it, and it is cruel. What I 
don't get is who started that trend, and why is it limited to cats? or do they 
do it to dogs too?

 


 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:37 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW:  Declaw
  

Did your vet recommend it?  
I know that Bainfield Health, the veterinary Group with Petsmart, has a 
“package deal” on kitten health (DUH), that includes declawing!  I wrote to 
them and got a really stupid letter back – I will post it sometime – just 
unbelievable!
 
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin 
Potter
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:13 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw
thanks everyone for the information. i know it is wrong and i no longer do it 
to my animals, the last one i did was over 5 years ago and he has long sinced 
passed. I felt horrible once i had seen what they really do. Thanks for the 
reminding information. 
 
From:Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw
Also: http://www.pawproject.org/   Technically, it's like getting your fingers 
cut off at the first knuckle, except that all that cats have for fingers are 
their claws.  So it's really like having all your entire fingers (and thumbs) 
cut off, so you can't pick up anything anymore---and also (even if you only 
declaw the front) all of your toes, so you can't walk without pain (including 
back pain).   
 
Watch this:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NQOzwj41Pc
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 3:45 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
You declawed your cat?  I will send you some information about
this.  It is NOT a good thing to do.

People don't realize what's involved when a cat is declawed. They
think it's just a manicure, but it's actually amputation of the
digit of each toe along with the nail.  It's a very serious and
excruciatingly painful surgery to inflict on cats and kittens. It
is in fact ten different amputations!

Because some veterinarians advocate it, to make extra $$$, people
believe that there are no risks involved and think it's merely a
simple procedure.  It is NOT.

Veterinarians who perform this surgery do not tell people that this
surgery can cause all or a combination of all the following
Personality changes, such as withdrawal, unpredictability  biting
(they now feel helpless, as biting is their only means of defense).
The most common problem with declawed cats is urinating and
defecating outside of the litter box.  The reason is that it is
extremely painful to step on litter after the surgery, and in many
cases a cat will never use it's box again.

Walk into any shelter and you'll see many declawed cats there who
have been given up, due to one or more of the above reasons.

Here's a perfect example:  We know of a couple who, when expecting a
baby, had their two adult cats declawed; what they got instead, was
far more dangerous to a baby than scratching - unpredictable and
serious biting! They had no choice but to have their cats of 6
years killed because no one in their right mind would adopt them.

Cats need claws for many reasons During play her claws snag
flying toys out of the air and hold them in place. A cat uses claws
to scratch an itch, manipulate catnip mice, grip a narrow catwalk,
hoist her body up to a high-up perch.  Most important of all, claws
are lifesavers, enabling a cat to climb to safety or thwart an
attacker if she should get outside by accident.

All this and much more is lost when a cat is declawed.

Unlike routine recoveries, including recovery from neutering
surgeries, which are fairly peaceful, declawing surgery results in
excruciating pain.  Cats huddle in the corner of the recovery cage,
immobilized in a state of helplessness, overwhelmed with pain.
Declawing is a major operation. The patient is first put under
general anesthesia, as the pain would be torturous without it. A
tourniquet is placed around the first paw to be declawed. The
veterinarian then performs a series of ten amputations. Each
amputation removes the claw and the bone into which it is firmly
rooted. The supporting tendons and ligaments for each claw are
severed. The surrounding soft tissue and flesh is cut off, and a
veterinary technician bandages up kitty's paws to soak up the blood.
Kitty is now declawed. The retractable claws that she would have used
throughout her life for scratching, playing, walking, and self
defense lie in a heap on the table, waiting

Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-04 Thread Joslin Potter
Sorry Terri I didn't mean to offend anyone, I was just curious I'm so confused 
on who to vote for, and everyone is saying something different. 

 


 From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
  

  
I think this topic should be off limits here. 

Terri 
- Original Message -  
From: Joslin  Potter  
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:49  AM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] President 

 
Hey guys not to get off  from subject butI was interested in what everyone 
thinks about  the Presidential Canidates, is their a reason why one  should 
choose one over the other? Obama pledges support for  nearly every animal 
protection bill currently pending in Congress, and says he  will work with 
executive agencies such as the U.S. Department of Agriculture  to make their 
policies more humane, according to Global Philosophy. However  Mitt Romeny  
has made no clear statements or policies on animal issues.  Reports also show 
that Romney has received thousands in campaign donations  from the HSUS. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-04 Thread Joslin Potter
I'm sorry to hear that, I've been taking it from people on facebook as I am 
just trying to understand what each of them is for. For me it's healthcare, 
that is what intrests me the most however, when it comes to people like Mike 
Vick, there need to be better laws put into place, i just wondered how everyone 
else felt, no judgement from me. Like i told a friend, we hall have and know 
something someone else might not. 

 


 From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
  

  
I've had family members BASH me for my beliefs.  So I prefer not to 
discuss politics, especially with people who don't really know me. 

T 
- Original Message -  
From: Edna Taylor  
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:21  PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President 

 
Why is that?  I believe that people can have different  opinions yet still 
be friends and get along and discuss their  differences nicely.   I am liberal 
in some things but  conservative in others, I do not vote based on party 
affiliation, I vote based  on what that one particular candidate has to 
offer.  Sometimes I  vote Democrat, sometimes I vote Republican, it all 
depends on the issues  at hand.
 

 



From: siggies...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 
  4 Oct 2012 10:51:25 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President

 
I think this topic should be off limits here. 

Terri 
-  Original Message -  
From: Joslin Potter  
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:49 AM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] President 

 
Hey guys not to get  off from subject but I was interested in what everyone 
thinks about the  Presidential Canidates, is their a reason why one should  
choose one over the other? Obama pledges support for nearly every animal  
protection bill currently pending in Congress, and says he will work with  
executive agencies such as the U.S. Department of Agriculture to make their  
policies more humane, according to Global Philosophy. However Mitt  Romeny  
has made no clear statements or policies on animal issues.  Reports also show 
that Romney has received thousands in campaign donations  from the HSUS. 
However, he has done a few things in his state for better  laws in reference 
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Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-04 Thread Joslin Potter
I agree. I know that we are all from different states and backgrounds, that is 
why i am curious i know what it is like hear in Michigan... I would never judge 
anyone... 
  


 From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
  

 
I would never bash someone for their beliefs because they are YOUR beliefs and 
I respect that.  Us cat people have to stick together whether we agree on 
candidates or not because most of the world thinks we are crazy anyway :)
 



From: siggies...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:24:44 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President

 
I've had family members BASH me for my beliefs.  So I prefer not to 
discuss politics, especially with people who don't really know me. 

T 
- Original Message -  
From: Edna Taylor  
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:21  PM 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President 

 
Why is that?  I believe that people can have different  opinions yet still 
be friends and get along and discuss their  differences nicely.   I am liberal 
in some things but  conservative in others, I do not vote based on party 
affiliation, I vote based  on what that one particular candidate has to 
offer.  Sometimes I  vote Democrat, sometimes I vote Republican, it all 
depends on the issues  at hand.
 

 



From: siggies...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 
  4 Oct 2012 10:51:25 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President

 
I think this topic should be off limits here. 

Terri 
-  Original Message -  
From: Joslin Potter  
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
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Subject: [Felvtalk] President 

 
Hey guys not to get  off from subject but I was interested in what everyone 
thinks about the  Presidential Canidates, is their a reason why one should  
choose one over the other? Obama pledges support for nearly every animal  
protection bill currently pending in Congress, and says he will work with  
executive agencies such as the U.S. Department of Agriculture to make their  
policies more humane, according to Global Philosophy. However Mitt  Romeny  
has made no clear statements or policies on animal issues.  Reports also show 
that Romney has received thousands in campaign donations  from the HSUS. 
However, he has done a few things in his state for better  laws in reference 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow Hunting

2012-10-04 Thread Joslin Potter
That is pretty insane that they all had to die. BTW, I find it interesting that 
now people are against eating plants, how do these people live? What do they 
eat?  your right people are not going to stop eating meat, people have been 
eating meat since the dark ages, Tribes that still live in the jungles how 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Bow hunting

2012-10-03 Thread Joslin Potter
I really like what our town has, they have a spay and neuter clinic express, 
services include:
 
Pain Control injection $10.00 
Microchip $20.00 
General Dewormer $5.00 
Rabies Vaccination $10.00 
Distemper combo Vaccination $10.00 
Fecal Parasite Test $15.00 
Frontline application $15.00 
Heartworm Test $15.00 
 
Spays are under $45 for fm cats and $30 for males the only down fall is 
that they are not in one specific area for very long so you have to almost get 
an appointment months in advance which sometimes is not convenient, I wish they 
had more of these that were stationed. Perhaps more people would get their 
animals fixed. I know a friend of mine that lived in Adrian MI, he used a 
friends addess and took his kitties into Ohio where they were fixed for free do 
to income. It is too bad to see all those kittens that get dropped of at animal 
control. We recently lost our FeLV cat on September 25th. he was having 
reoccuring bladder infections and peeing blood, after countless trips, and 
watching him howel and cry up and down the stairs, no longer able to jump on 
furniture, we made the hardest decision for our fur baby. he was 5 dx for 4 yrs 
of his life. However, we did adpot a kitten from our local shelter, looking 
into all those scared and innocent eyes, we
 might be, when we get caught up, adpot another. Kudos to you Natialie, that is 
amazing that you can offer shelter to cats/kittens in need. 
 


 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 9:14 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW:  FW: Bow hunting
  

Yes, it would make sense – if cats had not been domesticated so long ago, they 
would still be part of the natural ecosystem, be considered wildlife and 
probably still reproduce only once, instead of numerous times throughout the 
year, as they do now.  It does happen to most wildlife, but obviously very 
differently, depending on the species.  
It’s too bad that this doesn’t apply to domesticated animals anymore.  I doubt 
that companion animals will ever become extinct.  My hope would be that every 
time someone wanted a cat or a dog, they would have to be on a waiting list – 
what’s happening right now, is obscene – the number of healthy, beautiful 
animals that are killed routinely in shelters and pounds is unbearable.  I 
started the cat rescue 20 years ago, and I don’t think much has changed, other 
than other small groups in the area doing the same thing.  People are still not 
spaying/neutering, still abandoning their pets, and many are still total jerks! 
 Those of us who do rescue, are paying emotional, physically, and financially 
for others’ irresponsible behavior, because we care.
 
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn 
Hargreaves
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:32 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Bow hunting
 
Does this happen with all species?
 
I think the best thing to do is leave animals alone, too, but when feral cats 
bother people to the point where they are going to kill them, it's probably 
better to try to get numbers down.   I prefer the methods some used with 
wolves, doing tubal ligations/vasectomies instead of messing with their 
hormones by taking out the sex organs.  That said, we're real good at 
exterminating species, so I hope that doesn't happen with companion animals.
 
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:09 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:
It’s really interesting because when, and that’s rarely, that they reach a 
biological carrying capacity (or in a severe winter and no food), sperm counts 
go down and females, in real dire situations, will actually absorb their 
fetuses.  Also, people mistake deer as starving in the winter because they may 
seem thin, ribs showing, it’s only that thyroxin (a calcium-rich hormone) 
regulates their metabolisms in cold weather….even iof a lot of food were 
available, they might not be able to absorb all the nutrition.
The best thing is to leave them alone – thousands of years, and they have been 
able to regulate themselves until commercial hunting almost wiped them out at 
the end of the last century, and states had to start managing them to bring 
back the herds – then they found out what a big business it can be (hunting 
licenses, P-R Act, etc)- now they manage for MSY.
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn 
Hargreaves
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:12 PM

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
Yes, I've heard from wildlife experts that the population of all species will 
level off at the carrying capacity (food, shelter) of the habitat, despite 
predation (of any sort).   This is why if you want to reduce a species' 
population, you have to sterilize and return, so the sterilized ones take up 
some of that capacity.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
No, they 

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Bow hunting

2012-10-03 Thread Joslin Potter
That is horrible, those poor children. Thank God for their Grandparents, it's 
too bad however, that Grandma and Grandpa can't enjoy them like they are 
supposed too... WTH is up with people?

 


 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  FW: Bow hunting
  
I would like to spay/neuter a lot of the intelligent human population.  They 
also treat their children the same way.  i know of one who feeds her children 
cereal because they can get that by themselves.  She would prefer to do her 
heroin instead of cooking.  She is now in prison and her children stay with 
grandparents or roam the streets.


 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 Yes, it would make sense – if cats had not been domesticated so long ago, 
 they would still be part of the natural ecosystem, be considered wildlife and 
 probably still reproduce only once, instead of numerous times throughout the 
 year, as they do now.  It does happen to most wildlife, but obviously very 
 differently, depending on the species.  
 
 It’s too bad that this doesn’t apply to domesticated animals anymore.  I 
 doubt that companion animals will ever become extinct.  My hope would be that 
 every time someone wanted a cat or a dog, they would have to be on a waiting 
 list – what’s happening right now, is obscene – the number of healthy, 
 beautiful animals that are killed routinely in shelters and pounds is 
 unbearable.  I started the cat rescue 20 years ago, and I don’t think much 
 has changed, other than other small groups in the area doing the same thing.  
 People are still not spaying/neutering, still abandoning their pets, and many 
 are still total jerks!  Those of us who do rescue, are paying emotional, 
 physically, and financially for others’ irresponsible behavior, because we 
 care.
 
  
 
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
 Kathryn Hargreaves
 Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:32 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Bow hunting
 
  
 
 Does this happen with all species?
 
  
 
 I think the best thing to do is leave animals alone, too, but when feral cats 
 bother people to the point where they are going to kill them, it's probably 
 better to try to get numbers down.   I prefer the methods some used with 
 wolves, doing tubal ligations/vasectomies instead of messing with their 
 hormones by taking out the sex organs.  That said, we're real good at 
 exterminating species, so I hope that doesn't happen with companion animals.
 
  
 
 On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:09 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 It’s really interesting because when, and that’s rarely, that they reach a 
 biological carrying capacity (or in a severe winter and no food), sperm 
 counts go down and females, in real dire situations, will actually absorb 
 their fetuses.  Also, people mistake deer as starving in the winter because 
 they may seem thin, ribs showing, it’s only that thyroxin (a calcium-rich 
 hormone) regulates their metabolisms in cold weather….even iof a lot of food 
 were available, they might not be able to absorb all the nutrition.
 
 The best thing is to leave them alone – thousands of years, and they have 
 been able to regulate themselves until commercial hunting almost wiped them 
 out at the end of the last century, and states had to start managing them to 
 bring back the herds – then they found out what a big business it can be 
 (hunting licenses, P-R Act, etc)- now they manage for MSY.
 
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
 Kathryn Hargreaves
 Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:12 PM
 
 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
 
 Yes, I've heard from wildlife experts that the population of all species will 
 level off at the carrying capacity (food, shelter) of the habitat, despite 
 predation (of any sort).   This is why if you want to reduce a species' 
 population, you have to sterilize and return, so the sterilized ones take up 
 some of that capacity.
 
 On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 No, they wouldn’t reproduce the same way, that’s the whole point! According 
 to research on reproduction, hunted herds twin only 14%, while hunted herds 
 twin or even triple at 38%.  It’s just nature’s way!  In fact, predators are 
 better hunters because they go for the sick and old animals, while hunters 
 avoid them, thereby actually degrading the gene pool – healthier animals are 
 not the result of hunting – that’s done at deer farms by mating the best with 
 the best specimen, producing fantastic trophy animals.
 
 No, I do not eat any meat.
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Overpopulation of cats

2012-10-03 Thread Joslin Potter
You make a good point Natialie, When we took Zoey in to be fixed and declawed 
we didn't realize that in a few months when he was dx with FeLV that we would 
be seeing them a lot more often then planned, I also recommened them to 
everyone and sometimes get discounts for refering friends. I am amazed at $400 
to fix an animal that is *INSANE* why would anyone even want a pet? I wonder 
how many people if they contacted their vets would they be interested, I used 
to go to a vet where they offered discounts if you got more than one animal s/n 
at a time, this is very rare anymore as well. 

 


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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Overpopulation of cats
  
And the question is WHY?  
I have a feeling a lot of it isn't JUST plain ignorance (although I hate to
admit, many are just that!), it may be the cost of spaying/neutering -
prices on the Easdt Coast can be up to $400 for a female cat!  Yes, there
are low-cost certificates available, but how many veterinarians participate?
Many are in it just for the money, and yet, they don't realize that by
performing the surgery, they could actually gain a client for life!  It's
like cutting off your nose to spite your face Some larger humane groups
also offer their own pre-paid spay/neuter at time of adoption, but the rate
of actually taking advantage of the already prepaid surgferiesare really
low, that's why many spay/neuter little kittens before they are adopted!
We work with two veterinary groups and get a nice discount, although the
larger group just informed us that the 50% is down to 30% (they could
certainly afford to keep giving us the old rate...).  
I also use FoA certificates (http://www.friendsofanimals.org/), and give 
adopters
another option of SPAY/USA at 1-800-248-SPAY.
It would be great to get more veterinarians to participate in both programs.
Natalie

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 9:23 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Overpopulation of cats

Thanks for what you do Natalie.   I've been rescuing cats for about
40 years now and have 14 N/S rescued cats at home and more in a building I
bought in 2004 and made into a cageless sanctuary for abused, abandoned
cats. I also TNR, but as you said, I don't see much change in the number of
kittens being born.  People still don't N/S as they find it much
easier to dump their unwanted cats.   It is difficult not to detest
most people.. Meaning people like that who care so little about their
animals.

Lorrie


On 10-03, Natalie wrote:
    Yes, it would make sense - if cats had not been domesticated so long
    ago, they would still be part of the natural ecosystem, be considered
    wildlife and probably still reproduce only once, instead of numerous
    times throughout the year, as they do now.  It does happen to most
    wildlife, but obviously very differently, depending on the species.
 
    It's too bad that this doesn't apply to domesticated animals anymore.
    I doubt that companion animals will ever become extinct.  My hope would
    be that every time someone wanted a cat or a dog, they would have to be
    on a waiting list - what's happening right now, is obscene - the number
    of healthy, beautiful animals that are killed routinely in shelters and
    pounds is unbearable.  I started the cat rescue 20 years ago, and I
    don't think much has changed, other than other small groups in the area
    doing the same thing.  People are still not spaying/neutering, still
    abandoning their pets, and many are still total jerks!  Those of us who
    do rescue, are paying emotional, physically, and financially for
    others' irresponsible behavior, because we care.
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread Joslin Potter
I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as 
keeping population under control. -Joslin

 


 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
  
I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately,
innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the
domestic animals, even farm animals.
An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr
old kid with them, blamed it on him.  Turned out, it wasn't.

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a
hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a
hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake.


Lorrie

On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area
 and I keep my cats close to home.  Only Harley goes down the road, so 
 HE stays inside.  I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse.
 Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are 
 animals so why can't I shoot them.  They are only animals arn't they?
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

2012-10-02 Thread Joslin Potter
I agree with you, but what would happen if we didn't have a hunting season, do 
you think they would not still reproduce like they do now? To each their own, 
again, I'm just thankful for the life of a deer, and the people who do purchase 
linceses as this money is put back into the wild life. The funding from 
licenses and tags is used to insure a healthy population of wildlife in the 
states, including the DNR to enforce the rules... I take it you don't eat meat 
Natalie?

 


 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
  

It may provide your family with meat, BUT, technically, hunting doesn’t really 
lower deer populations except in the immediate aftermath of a cull.  Next year, 
there will be the same number of deer, if not more, because hunting encourages 
and spurs reproduction through compensatory rebound and because states manage 
deer for MSY (maximum sustained yield).  I’m sure that you will notice that the 
population doesn’t really go down in the long run.  I have made it my business 
to learn as much as I can about deer biology/reproduction.  Natalie
 
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin 
Potter
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:48 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
 
I'm thankful for deer season, it provides my family with meat, as well as 
keeping population under control. -Joslin
 
From:Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

I monitor all the hunting accidents, it happens a lot, but unfortunately,
innocent bystanders get hurt or killed, too - not to mention all the
domestic animals, even farm animals.
An Indiana hunter was killed on a youth day hunt, and two men with a 10-yr
old kid with them, blamed it on him.  Turned out, it wasn't.

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

I hate bow hunting or any hunting whatsoever. I'd really love to see a
hunter with a bow stuck in him, and I'm quite delighted when I hear that a
hunter has shot his hunting buddy by mistake.


Lorrie

On 10-01, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Bow hunting has started in my area
 and I keep my cats close to home.  Only Harley goes down the road, so 
 HE stays inside.  I keep hearing they are only animals as the excuse.
 Well, since we are suspossed to be descended from monkeys, we are 
 animals so why can't I shoot them.  They are only animals arn't they?
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] new positive kitten

2011-10-09 Thread Joslin Potter
My cat was dx with FeLV just before he was a yr old, he's 5 now and we have not 
had to take him to the vet or anything (knock on wood).. If anything it just 
slowed him down a little faster, out of that kitten phase!
 
Joslin  Zoey



From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2011 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] new positive kitten

I have 2 positives, one of them over 12 years old, the other about 2
or 3.  Both of them have been intermingling with my negatives
(currently 8 of them) for years.  I keep the negatives up to date on
vaccinations and haven't yet had one turn positive although I kept the
very young cats away from them until they were older and thru the full
series of vaccinations.


On 10/8/11, john pollack bucfa...@yahoo.com wrote:
 My cat, Tigger is almost 5. he was born with FeLV. he lives with my other 5
 cats, ranging in age from 1 to 15. none of the others have teste=d positive,
 and they are checked yearly



 
 From: JoAnn Fredo lt;jufr...@yahoo.comgt;
 To: quot;felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgquot;
 lt;felvtalk@felineleukemia.orggt;
 Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2011 7:19 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] new positive kitten


 Message body
 I was apart of this list 09/2000 when my husband and I adopted 3 kittens,
 and all tested positive. We lost little Vinnie at 8 months due to lymphoma,
 Molly developed lymphoma and we treated it. She lived 4 years, the lymphoma
 never came back, the feline leukemia took her life. Toots lived 9 years, no
 problems until the last month of his life he developed bone cancer. All 3 of
 my babies received interferon and dimethylglycine every night. Two years ago
 we adopted 2 more kittens, they were negative. This past Friday my
 neighbor's daughter found a cute orange tabby kitten and asked us if we
 wanted him.  He tested positive, but it is not in his bone marrow. I have
 everyone separated, and am looking for a home. I know may people mix
 positive with negative cats, can you please tell if there are success
 stories out there or if negative cats became positive. Thanks, Jo Ann

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rafferty Please add to the CLS :(

2011-08-11 Thread Joslin Potter
I'm so sorry for your loss, my prayers are w you.
 
Joslin  Zoey

From: Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com
To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 7:08 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Rafferty Please add to the CLS :(

My heart is heavy and hurting tonight,I had to let my beautiful Rafferty go to 
the bridge. Raff was my 1st Sids kid that I brought into my heart and home 
almost 5 years and 8 months ago. I brought him home just a few seconds from 
midnight NYE 2006. He chose me when I was talking to another cat I heard this 
pllluuurrp behind me,I turned around and saw this crazy Dr Seussish looking cat 
and asked him if he was talking to me...his response  puurrrpI was 
hooked he was mine or I was his  :) 
He was also a milkaholic...he would stalk you in the kitchen if you got the 
milk out and did not give him someone of my fav pics of him is the one with 
droplets of milk on his beautiful black and white faceI love you Raff and I 
am so happy I brought you home and cherish EVERY moment I had with you,no 
regrets my baby boy no regrets.
Sherry
We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
than our own,
Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue people

2011-08-06 Thread Joslin Potter
Oh my, that brought tears to my eyes, how can people be so cruel? Imagine what 
that poor animal must of been feeling?
From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue people

I had an old woman call me a few years ago; she spends winters in FL.  She
wanted me to take an old cat as a trade-in for a kitten to be a good
mouser in her basement while she was away.
Last year, when our vet's office was opened in the morning (on a major busy
road), there was an open box by the front door with 4 5-6 wk old kittens,
and the mother cat was sitting next to that box!!

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 7:10 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue people

I have a rescue shelter, which is a large two story building with
individual rooms for the cats, and I guess I've been very fortunate, 
because others in the area who rescue have been very helpful to me.
It's the general public who give me such problems.  They dump their
pregnant females on me, as well un-neutered males who spray and
fight.  The worst thing they do is tape up kittens in cardboard
boxes and leave them out in front of my building when no one is
there.  Thankfully we find them on time.  

Lorrie

On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote:
 I do rescue and have for years, and the people who have been by far the
 nastiest to me, have been OTHER RESCUERS.  




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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Joslin Potter
good for you Peggy, people can be so judgemental, we went to adopt a dog from 
the pound and had our daughter with us and they informed us that with a child 
that puppy could not be trusted! I was so upset I have never gone back, I 
normally turn to Criags list we have a lot of kitten drop offs and with a FeLV 
+ cat it's just to hard to keep them all 8( But well said, you know your truth!


From: Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

I totally agree, but another side of the story...I got treated VERY bad by
shelter personnel  because I brought in a stray husky I found on the side of
the road! I knew they thought I was lying. It made me feel horribble because
I would never do that to one of my own animals!!! If they treat people like
that, who are trying to help the animal find its owners or at least get off
the road so it won't get hit, they might not do it again!
Not me!! Ill just take the bad treatment over leaving a cat or dog in
danger!

On Aug 5, 2011 4:10 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 This is STILL a kind, supportive group, but those of us who rescue see
 too much neglect and cruelty to look at the world thru rose colored
 glasses. While it is true that not all people are irresponsible and
 uncaring, we see entirely too many people who consider animals as
 disposable things.

 Lorrie

 On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote:

 Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It
 makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more.


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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Joslin Potter
I don't get that either, I have a friend of a friend who is looking to get rid 
of her 12 yr old cats becuase they are having a baby and she just can't take 
that chance of the cats smothering the child, while I'm sure it has happened to 
people, come on, my cat was more scared of my daughter as a baby than anything, 
and never touched her bottle, there are things you can do, but I guess her mum 
is just persistant in her getting these cats out of her house. It just sickens 
me, where are these cats supposed to find homes when there are hundreds of 
babies waiting to be adpoted, and as we all know, people love baby animals 
but once there older, they get the boot, i cannot stand people like that. My 
animals are my children you know? 

From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

On 08-04, Natalie wrote:

 I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
 people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
 and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
 to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
 do that?  What kind of horrible race are we?  Baby comes, cat or
 dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
 throw-away-society!
 
__-

Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
rescue work I've begun to hate most people too.  I've rescued cats
all my life, and I've seen this over and over again.  People think
nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!


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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Joslin Potter
What a wonderful example of how to handle a situation, I get that your kids 
come before pets, I'm happy to hear they just didnt go and drop them off, and 
you know they were just hoping for the best when they even offered to pay to 
send the cats back. Everytime we get a drop of my heart just sinks, this more 
animal, what is it thinking, more so the older ones, you know? No matter the 
situation how can people just open a door and toss out an animal?


From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and
judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart.  There's
always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
rescue.  (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
whenever I see an I hate people thread.)  In contrast, MOST of my adopters
have been lovely people.  We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do)
and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
pound.  We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
delivered back to us safely.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 On 08-04, Natalie wrote:

  I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
  people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
  and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
  to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
  do that?  What kind of horrible race are we?  Baby comes, cat or
  dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
  throw-away-society!
 
 __-

 Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
 rescue work I've begun to hate most people too.  I've rescued cats
 all my life, and I've seen this over and over again.  People think
 nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
 ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!


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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Joslin Potter
Are you serious, did she get arrested for animal hording? Come on who does 
that? She DOES need a neuter!


From: D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs this 
weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght in  8 
dogs..

 

--- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:


From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM


That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten 
for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I 
guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be 
orange  white :)

This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I 
agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any 
other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have 
tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how 
will he treat her? Geez!
- Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!



I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my cat 
because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email.  As a matter of fact, got 
one the other day.   Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside 
in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult to injury, 
she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist.  Yep, those are the types of people 
that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered.  
Are all people like that?  Absolutely not.  Are too many people like that?  you 
bet your boots.  Sad, but true :(


 From: moonv...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
 In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and
 judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
 Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
 always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
 something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
 I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
 rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
 whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters
 have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
 baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
 form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do)
 and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
 pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
 delivered back to us safely.
 
 On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 
  On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
 
   I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
   people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
   and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
   to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
   do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
   dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
   throw-away-society!
  
  __-
 
  Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
  rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
  all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
  nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
  ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
 
 
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 Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
 
 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20
 
 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
 
 Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
 http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties
 
 Please help Trooper!
 
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 can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they
 should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Joslin Potter
I think that people should have to be kept on record when they take animals to 
the pound and what not, i wonder, quite honestly, how many people out there get 
kittens and puppies and then  drop them off once they get bigger or realize 
that there just to hyper, or even worse, they just grew up. It makes you want 
to ask the question, thou i know kids are no comparison, but makes you want to 
ask if they would give their kids up for adoption because they don't listen or 
potty train easy, chewed on your faviorte shoe, or was just to hyper.. sorry 
this is a ruff subject for me. 


From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 2:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!


YEP, first it's the cat she gives up, what is next?  Also, I wonder, is it hard 
to walk and drive a car without a spine?


 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:57:16 -0500
 From: longhornf...@verizon.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
 That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a 
 kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like 
 hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who 
 happened to be orange  white :)
 
 This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I 
 agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any 
 other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have 
 tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then 
 how will he treat her? Geez!
 - Original Message - 
 From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
 
 
 I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my 
 cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email. As a matter of fact, 
 got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat 
 outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult 
 to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the 
 types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be 
 spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many 
 people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :(
 
 
  From: moonv...@gmail.com
  Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
  In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel 
  and
  judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue.
  Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's
  always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing
  something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc.
  I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of
  rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think
  whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my 
  adopters
  have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a
  baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a
  form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will 
  do)
  and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the
  pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and
  delivered back to us safely.
 
  On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 
   On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
  
I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or
dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
throw-away-society!
   
   __-
  
   Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
   rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats
   all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think
   nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
   ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Joslin Potter
 i like that Edna, I'm so posting that to my FB!


From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!







I don't see that it is not kind and supportive list but the truth is the truth, 
people give up their pets at an alarming rate and for, sometimes, what amounts 
to really stupid reasons.  They also leave them in abandoned, foreclosed homes 
to starve to death.  Does this mean that we are not supportive and don't care?  
No, it means many of us are in rescue and our homes are usually filled to the 
brim with cats/dogs and sometimes we need to vent.  Doesn't mean that we no 
longer want to support and help others, it means that our hearts are broken and 
as someone posted on their FB profile and I copied:

My pets/fosters are not disposable. They may have imperfections, may 
eventually have health problems, and be a lot of work. But when I got them, I 
promised them a forever home. No matter what their faults are, they are good at 
something, and deserve to be loved and have a forever home. They are not only 
my pets/fosters, They are a part of my family.




 From: moonv...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:57:03 -0500
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
 Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It makes me
 sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more.
                        
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Joslin Potter
UUHH, Natalie that just irks me, you know my best friend has 6 cats, most of 
them she took home from our house as i said before we have a lot of drop offs, 
and they do not have internet or cable because their animals come FIRST, they 
also have two dogs, but still she said that these are her children, and like 
you Cable is nice but so is a good book, and she can watch television on her 
phone, but still. As she says, one less bill is one more bag of food.


From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

We are all supportive of anyone who rescues, deals with unwanted and/or sick
cats, fills their homes with discarded animals!  I cannot tolerate people
who are hypocritical about animals; pretending to love them, and then give
them up at the drop of a hat even if it means abandoning them outside to
fend for themselves!  
Here's one I just got this alert; perfect example: 

Subject: DECLAWED CAT---2 YRS OLD
A rescue friend told me that the place in Queens where she buys her pet
supplies found a cat left in a carrier outside his door this AM.  She is
about 2 years old, extremely friendly, seems healthy and is DECLAWED. Her
coat is a luxurious shiny black. He is calling her Sophia.  She has to stay
in a cage until he finds her a home.  If you know anyone who might like to
help this baby, please call or text 917 689 8414 No pic available at this
time.

There are other ways of dealing with not being able to care for your animal.
My husband and I supply a woman with cat food and litter for her 3 cats
because she can't afford it, or else we would have to take her cats into our
home.  My question to someone who claims that they have no money to buy cat
food is do you have cable TV?  The response has often been Yes, butI
need it.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!


Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in Texas,
giving away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster.  Case in point (no,
I will not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio who
appeared to be loving and caring, he adopted three free cats from CL and
all there of their lives ended in a horrible fashion.

I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath the
and I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of.  Sorry to
get off topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are not in
rescue but what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can never
be forgotten.

As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying there is
no pet overpopulation problem.  I have a house full of cats that prove
otherwise.  Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise and I
have one cat in my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I have not
gotten one hit on her.  There IS a pet overpopulation problem and no-kill
begins with NO BIRTH.

Okay, I will get off my soapbox now.  Again, my apologies for getting off
topic.

Edna Taylor
Texas Siamese Rescue



 From: moonv...@gmail.com
 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:59:04 -0500
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
 According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person
 value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there
is
 not enough money in the world to make me give her up. Giving away cats
 and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find
 homes for more animals.
 
 Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about
this
 stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!

2011-08-05 Thread Joslin Potter
I agree. we are not speaking.


From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
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Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!


You should tell her to tell her friend that she needs to come out of the dark 
ages and stop believing that old wives tale about cats smothering babies.  I 
can just see a cat put one paw over a baby's nose and then a paw over it's 
mouth with the intention of smothering it.  And about the whole licking the 
babies mouth to get the milk, that's crap but even it was true the baby can 
still breath out of it's nose.  I just can't see how it's possible for a cat to 
smother a baby.  And cat's can't suck so they can't suck the breath from the 
baby.  And even if they could suck the baby's lungs are stronger and bigger 
than a cat's so it wouldn't be able to suck enough breath out of it to smother 
it.  Tell your friend she shouldn't hang around such stupid people.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:40:57 -0700
 From: joslinir...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
 I don't get that either, I have a friend of a friend who is looking to get 
 rid of her 12 yr old cats becuase they are having a baby and she just can't 
 take that chance of the cats smothering the child, while I'm sure it has 
 happened to people, come on, my cat was more scared of my daughter as a baby 
 than anything, and never touched her bottle, there are things you can do, but 
 I guess her mum is just persistant in her getting these cats out of her 
 house. It just sickens me, where are these cats supposed to find homes when 
 there are hundreds of babies waiting to be adpoted, and as we all know, 
 people love baby animals but once there older, they get the boot, i cannot 
 stand people like that. My animals are my children you know? 
 
 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 10:14 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
 
 On 08-04, Natalie wrote:
 
  I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel
  people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter
  and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought
  to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone
  do that?  What kind of horrible race are we?  Baby comes, cat or
  dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a
  throw-away-society!
  
 __-
 
 Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my
 rescue work I've begun to hate most people too.  I've rescued cats
 all my life, and I've seen this over and over again.  People think
 nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am
 ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race!
 
 
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[Felvtalk] Question

2011-07-29 Thread Joslin Potter
Greetings Everyone, 
 
We recently took in a kitten someone was going to put down from our vet, and 
last night I was awaken in the middle of the night by a howling noise, i 
thought it was our older cat but it was the kitten, she was growling in the 
corner and for some reason went to the bathroom on the floor instead of her 
litter box, is this common among FeLV cats? It was dr jeckle and Mr. Hyde, she 
was back to her loving self this morning? I'm so confused I've never seen an 
animal behave like that? When my older cat was dx he was more so sick we 
thought he swallowed a bone? talk about one of the worst days ever!
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] RIP Miss Clara

2011-03-03 Thread Joslin Potter
I'm sorry to here about your loss, my prayers and heart are with your family!
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process...

2011-01-09 Thread Joslin Potter
Shannon, 

I agree with you on the uneducated part in the beginning... I had always been 
asked if I wanted to vaccinate my cats but knowing little and never knowing 
anyone with a (+) I figured it would never happen to us, and even thou it has 
it 
has been a blessing... i realized just how precious he is to me, and just how 
much cleaner i need to keep things not only for him but the whole famly as well 
I know sooner or later our time will be up with him, but at least he not only 
taught us something but... we gave him everything we had. 


~Joz  Zoey~ 


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 12:20 AM


Natalie, 

My vet is the same way, when we found out about Zoey I about had a emotional 
breakdown, she gave me a hug and said it was not a death sentence, just a 
different way of living. He has been symptom free since he got sick  we found 
out, they are more than wonderful too as far as constant check ups and good 
care. 


~Joz  Zoey~


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Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process...

2011-01-08 Thread Joslin Potter
Natalie, 

My vet is the same way, when we found out about Zoey I about had a emotional 
breakdown, she gave me a hug and said it was not a death sentence, just a 
different way of living. He has been symptom free since he got sick  we found 
out, they are more than wonderful too as far as constant check ups and good 
care. 


~Joz  Zoey~





From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 10:34:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process...

You cannot believe how many people, when they find out that their cat is
FeLV positive, ask the vets to immediately kill them!  My vet, is the last
one to ask - he will NEVER do it.  But there are many vets who actually
suggest to their clients that the kindest thing to do is to put them out of
their misery, when they're not even exhibiting any symptoms yet.  I get
calls from such people, asking if I would take their cat - my response is,
why can't you keep the cat you claim to love so much?  I happen to have two,
because I had no choice, but I wasn't going to throw them out, not accept
them, or have them killed. They're wonderful cats, but I doubt that anyone
will adopt them - so I will have them for life. I wish there were a decent
place for FeLV cats - but as nice as some of them may appear, they are NOT -
not in this area.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 6:08 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process...

Just wanted to share something I have encountered - we are considering a pal
for Whimsy, and have been in touch with wonderful, amazing rescues,
shelters, and fosters.  I have encountered many times kitties who have never
had an IFA and sometimes only one ELISA.  Obviously, this doesn't sit quite
right with me, and I need an IFA.  Of course, it's an expensive test and
totally understandable why it's not done as much.  I have offered to pay for
one (for a kitty who has lived in a cage for a year) and wish I could get
all of those in question this luxury.  It's a dilema I didn't anticipate.  I
have had to explain on many occasions what it is as well.  
 
I'm so touched by all the passion and committment out there for these
special kitties.  You wouldn't believe the long, stunned silence on the
phone when I ask Do you have any Feline Leukemia kitties for adoption? 
I've had shelter people shout for joy and almost cry at my inquiry.  It's
also made me aware of where I will be directing my donations to.  My
favorite local shelter takes care of these guys, but I am definitely going
to redirect my other donations to smaller groups that care for these
sweethearts - that welcome them with open arms.  
 
I realize, too, that having Whismy come into my life, for however long it
may be, has made me an advocate for FeLV adoptions, and when you start see
how many people you can inform, you truly see how to effect change.  It may
be one person in one waiting room at your vet clinic, but if that gives one
of these cats the chance to live out their years, it is definitely powerful
action.  The horror of the inital diagnosis seems to disipate and you
see...yes, we can handle it; if not us, who? 
 
Shannon and Whimsy


      
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Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process...

2011-01-08 Thread Joslin Potter
Call around to your local vets and have them take your name and number, that 
way 
the ignorant people whom think death is the only way to help a FeLV cat have 
another option... you... 






From: Second Chance Meows secondchanceme...@yahoo.com
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Sent: Sun, January 9, 2011 1:25:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process...

there are places for FeLV cats. you just have to look real hard for them.  
most, 

like us try and keep a low profile so we can keep numbers to a minimum. that 
way 

the cats, that others wanted to kill, get the love and attention they deserve.

Michael Johnson
Founder/Owner
Second Chance Meows
A FeLV Sanctuary





From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sat, January 8, 2011 7:34:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process...

You cannot believe how many people, when they find out that their cat is
FeLV positive, ask the vets to immediately kill them!  My vet, is the last
one to ask - he will NEVER do it.  But there are many vets who actually
suggest to their clients that the kindest thing to do is to put them out of
their misery, when they're not even exhibiting any symptoms yet.  I get
calls from such people, asking if I would take their cat - my response is,
why can't you keep the cat you claim to love so much?  I happen to have two,
because I had no choice, but I wasn't going to throw them out, not accept
them, or have them killed. They're wonderful cats, but I doubt that anyone
will adopt them - so I will have them for life. I wish there were a decent
place for FeLV cats - but as nice as some of them may appear, they are NOT -
not in this area.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 6:08 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process...

Just wanted to share something I have encountered - we are considering a pal
for Whimsy, and have been in touch with wonderful, amazing rescues,
shelters, and fosters.  I have encountered many times kitties who have never
had an IFA and sometimes only one ELISA.  Obviously, this doesn't sit quite
right with me, and I need an IFA.  Of course, it's an expensive test and
totally understandable why it's not done as much.  I have offered to pay for
one (for a kitty who has lived in a cage for a year) and wish I could get
all of those in question this luxury.  It's a dilema I didn't anticipate.  I
have had to explain on many occasions what it is as well.  

I'm so touched by all the passion and committment out there for these
special kitties.  You wouldn't believe the long, stunned silence on the
phone when I ask Do you have any Feline Leukemia kitties for adoption? 
I've had shelter people shout for joy and almost cry at my inquiry.  It's
also made me aware of where I will be directing my donations to.  My
favorite local shelter takes care of these guys, but I am definitely going
to redirect my other donations to smaller groups that care for these
sweethearts - that welcome them with open arms.  

I realize, too, that having Whismy come into my life, for however long it
may be, has made me an advocate for FeLV adoptions, and when you start see
how many people you can inform, you truly see how to effect change.  It may
be one person in one waiting room at your vet clinic, but if that gives one
of these cats the chance to live out their years, it is definitely powerful
action.  The horror of the inital diagnosis seems to disipate and you
see...yes, we can handle it; if not us, who? 

Shannon and Whimsy


      
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Re: [Felvtalk] Boo is gone

2011-01-03 Thread Joslin Potter
God shall wipe all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death,
nor crying, nether shall there be any more pain: for the former things are 
passed away.
-Revelation 21:4 
 
I'm sorry to hear of your loss, my heart weeps for yours... God Bless!
 
Joslin  Zoey!


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Spanky is an angel

2011-01-03 Thread Joslin Potter
I'm sorry to hear about Spanky... Looking at me own i can't even imagine, my 
prayers are with you!





A PRAYER FOR ANIMALS 


Hear our humble prayer,
O God,
for our friends, the animals,
especially for those who are suffering;
for any that are lost or deserted
or frightened or hungry.

We entreat for them all
Thy mercy and pity,
and for those who deal with them,
we ask a heart of compassion
and gentle hands and kindly words.

Make us, ourselves,
to be true friends to animals
and so to share
the blessings
of the merciful.

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Re: [Felvtalk] how to know if your only needs a friend?

2010-12-15 Thread Joslin Potter
I wondered the same thing too, but with the adoption of our newest pomeranian, 
i 
realized that another cat was not in the game plan, believe it or not, my cat 
thinks of the puppy as it's kitten, truly different.





From: Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wed, December 15, 2010 10:49:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to know if your only needs a friend?

thanks for sharing, Bonnie!  I wonder if it's just a female thing? I know there 
are laid back girl kitties, but I've always had tempermental, fussy ones, who I 
loved dearly.  We call our only female - the oldest at 15 - queen, too. :)

--- On Wed, 12/15/10, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:


From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to know if your only needs a friend?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 8:27 PM


Shannon
I have to tell you this story...
I got my cat, Stormy, as a 12 week old kitten.  She was indoors only.  There 
was 
a yard cat but they only saw eachother through the window.  About a year 
after 
getting Stormy, I decided to go back to school to finish my degree.  I was 
already working full time, so this meant poor little Stormy would be alone much 
of the time.  In a move that is the *only* time I've sought out a cat (they 
usually just come to me, as Stormy had) I went to the local shelter and adopted 
a kitten about 12 wks. old.  I brought him home and said, Look Stormy -- I got 
you a friend!
Hiss, spit, growl, fur on end, very unhappy cat.  Oops.  I don't think she ever 
quite forgave me...
 From this I came to the conclusion that humans are social and cats are 
solitary.  That's undoubtedly not an absolute in either case, but generally 
speaking, I think most cats would prefer to be the only.
ps -- Stormy now shares the house with three others, all came to me out of 
their need.  She's a little pissy sometimes, but I let her know she's queen 
and let the others know they are to give her utmost respect (she's the elder 
puss) and she's adjusted very well.
Good luck!


      
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Re: [Felvtalk] Newbie

2010-12-12 Thread Joslin Potter
Welcome Katy to the grou-p!





From: Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com
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Sent: Sun, December 12, 2010 10:28:56 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Newbie

Hey, I just wanted to introduce myself. I am Katy and I have two FeLV+ cats. I 
live in Kentucky.

I have worked in animal rescue for about a year and a half, since I graduated 
college in 2009. I found a 5-week old kitten, Buddy, abandoned in a gulley next 
to a parking lot, summer of '09. He tested positive for the FeLV blood test and 
tested positive again several months later. 


He is very healthy and is very playful. I felt very bad that he was alone all 
the time, when I saw on one of my animal rescue networks that another FeLV+ cat 
needed a home. So I took her in, het name is Chloe. 


So far, they are healthy and active. The only way I can tell that they have 
FeLV 
is that they test positive and they get sick easily. 


Vets in area told me to put them asleep now, even though they are healthy. 
Small 
town vets don't seem to be very educated on the FeLV subject. 


Reading all the emails lately have given me a lot of hope and I really 
appreciate this email list. Thanks for sharing your experiences!

---Katy

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Re: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.

2010-12-08 Thread Joslin Potter
I would call your vet, but i don't see why it would be a problem, just remember 
kittens immune systems are not as strong as your older cats, make sure you are 
keeping the water dishes, litter boxes and such clean... congrats on your new 
addition!





From: Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wed, December 8, 2010 11:52:03 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Question on taking in kitten or not.

About 6 weeks ago, our cat Oreo got sick and tested positive on Felv. She
went downhill since that point and we had to put her to sleep a week later.
She was suffering!
We panicked about our 6 other (indoor) cats and had them all tested the same
day Oreo tested positive. They were all negative, even after living with
Oreo for almost a year!
To be a 100% sure we will test them again in a while.

The thing is.we rescued this 10 week old kitten yesterday evening. Found
him in the bushes besides a dumpster at a gas station, and decided to take
him home because we didn't think he would survive the freezing cold.
He is now warm and safe in our bathroom, separated from the rest.
My question is.would it be safe for him and the others, to have him
tested for Felv/Fiv and if negative, vaccinate for Felv and integrate into
the group in about 2 weeks.
Againour other cats are negative but there is still a small chance that
there might be a positive test result in the 2nd round of testing!

We really would like to keep him and give a good home. But if it appears to
be a bad idea we will find him a good home with someone else.

Thanks for your thoughts!

Peggy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is gone.

2010-10-26 Thread Joslin Potter
God didin't promise days w/out pain, laughter w/out sorrow, sun w/out rain, 
but 
he did promise strength for the day, comfort for the tears, and light for the 
way!

I am so sorry to hear about Murphy, I am empowed by your strength to take on 6 
FeLV kittens, what an angel you are to all of them, even the one's who've 
passed! 


~JozZoey~



  
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Re: [Felvtalk] New

2010-10-14 Thread Joslin Potter


Thank you for that Edna, I really do hope that my cat can live a long  healthy 
life like your cat, so many people are negative nellies about being that 
optimistic, but I'm glad to here it does! He sounds like he had the best of his 
days on the lake, we let ours go out by the pool and lay around... he loves 
chashing frogs lately! For the first time he seems to have that spunk back... 




From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 10:26:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New


My first Feluk kitty (well, only one that was actually MY cat) lived to be 16 
years old and we never gave him anything special in the way of food and/or 
vitamins.  We fed him Purina dry and some canned food (this was 20 years ago so 
we didn't know a lot about Feluk at the time) and he was a happy, healthy kitty 
up until he passed away.  We found him when he was 10 and he tested positive.  
We kept him inside for the most part until we moved to the lake and because we 
were right on the water, we would let him go in the backyard while we were 
outside.

I am sure others here have MUCH more knowledge than I do and I bow to their 
wisdom.

Edna

 From: kristinsc...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:14:46 -0500
 Subject: [Felvtalk] New
 
 
 Hello there,
 
 I am new to this group. My cat Bodie was diagnosed with FELV on Monday, he is 
nine months old. I don't have much knowledge about this disease and hope that 
maybe some of you can help to inform me. My first question is how long do cats 
with Felv live? Some websites said a couple of years and some said they can 
live 
a full life. How long have your cats lived? To my knowledge there are no meds 
out there, right?? As far as vitamins or food, would you have any suggestions. 
I 
know that it is important to keep his immune system up. Right now Bodies is 
healthy and very energetic. He has an eye infection that is clearing up, other 
than that you would have no idea that he is sick. I feel a very overwhelmed 
and 
scared. I would love to hear some tips and info for a newbie. Thank you all so 
much.
 
 Kristin 
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Re: [Felvtalk] New

2010-10-14 Thread Joslin Potter
Edna, 

So, I guess what I am saying is, cherish the time you have together, don't 
worry about what will happen tomorrow because they are in our lives for such a 
short time but in our hearts forever.
 
- I couldn't agree with you more, I find it to really be a blessing that he is 
still with me! I had a cat prior to him that ironically looked just like Zoey, 
his name was Sampson, he didn't have FeLV but he was the first kitten that I 
took care of on my own, you know as far as cost... fixing/declawing, he was my 
man...  even after my daughter, as sad/obsessive as it sounds i always made 
sure 
I made mum time for him as well. When my daughter and I moved into our first 
place as a family, he got outside  to this day we still do not know how, he 
was 
gone for almost three days when he came home with the fur/skin gone on one side 
of his face, limping, i think he had gotten hit by a car, or attacked and made 
it home
 
-The vet told us to watch him and gave him some cream, when he started acting 
all goofy and not really being there we found out the infection had gone to 
his brain, and had to put him down... On top of all that, i had to listen to 
family remind me of the dollars we could have been spending on our child, alas 
Sampson was MY CHILD. To this day, I have a huge 8 x 10 RIP picture on our home 
wall, and I've never really gotten over it, is that sad? While i love Zoey, I 
will always hold in my heart Sampson... and i hope someday... when I'm gone... 
i 
can meet the sole that rested in his body!
  
-Zoey, the little fur ball came into my life while out visiting with friends, 
and i like to think of him as a gift from Sampson to let me know that it was 
okay to let go, and put Zoey here to keep my spirits alive. We used to live in 
a 
TPark when we found Bella, she was skinny, the people two houses down left and 
didn't take there animals, likely story right... the mother cat/kittens were 
trapped underneath, and if i would have been more nosy, i might have saved more 
than just Bella, i have no idea how long they were truly under there, but as 
the 
mother cat laid there (RIP)... I had seen her in there house window... alas 
Bella was FeLV + and i had no idea! The vet didn't even think to test for it, 
they said she just needed some healthy food  and what not, but when Zoey got 
cold sores in his mouth so bad that he was coughing and could no longer use the 
bathroom we rushed him there, they thought at first maybe AIDS as he was UTD 
with all his shots, we didn't save the kitten she was just to weak... alas when 
i took Zoey back 6 months later, he still tested +
 
 
Good news thou! I had a rescue shelter call me today and tell me they had two 
female kittens come in today and is willing to work with me on price to adopt 
one, I'm so excited to maybe get zoey a friend! In a cat w more than one, 
should 
i have two litter boxes? I normally clean mine 3x per day, but i didn't know 
with two? are there any other tips... maybe how if one gets sick how to keep 
the 
other healthy? perhaps introduction? thanks guys for all the support! I really 
do think of Zoey as my angle, I've come to terms with him getting sick, I cried 
for a really long time, if i had not taken in that kitten he would have been 
healthy right now, but he is in a way, and he is here... I love him so much... 
people are sick that think of this as a reason to end a life, but i guess look 
how many people get pets and then don't want them even 6 months later because 
they are not babies, or the woman that gets pregnant and thinks she has to rid 
of all pets?! then after the baby is born they get more pisses me off... 

 
- On an end note, I think that instead of testing on animals, they should pass 
a 
bill to test on death row inmates... if they sign the paper work knowing and 
volunteering why not? 

 
Joslin  Zoey! 
 
 
    



 







  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-14 Thread Joslin Potter
I agree, my vet told us we could try the vaccine, but it would be best to get 
another felv cat. They refer the shot to people who already have more than one 
cat in there household and find out that one is infected.. so they don't have 
to 
rid of any there pets, but if you can save another felv why not?





From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
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Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 2:18:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

I think everyone must understand that ANY vaccine is at best only 80%
effective!

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100%
efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a
terrible death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the
virus knowingly, regardless of how many people may have been lucky with
mixing so far. The virus can be spread through saliva which means continual
shared eating and drinking quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on
in litterboxes so it isn't just fighting you have to consider. I am a very
positive person and love all animals regardless of their infliction but
could never imagine why anyone would want to risk endangering their other
pets, vaccine or not.


-Original Message-
From: Melinda Kerr
Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and
every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for
sharing.

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On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank  Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote:

 I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me.  He tested positive in
January
 of 2008.  At that time Casper was about 4 years old.  I had all my
positive
 cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of
 2008.  In July I took in another positive and in September still another
 positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem.  I kept
 all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines.  In December of 2009
 Casper started sneezing quite a bit.  He went through a round of
antibiotics
 and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on
 meds again.  Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I
 took him to the vet again.  That was when they decided to test him for
 feline leukemia.  He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010.
 I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another
 cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be
 checked out.  Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably
 positive when I brought him into my home, but he spent about two years
with
 me before he was ever exposed to a FeLV+ cat. I believe that if I had
never
 mixed my positives and negatives Casper would still be alive.
 I'm sorry to be the one with the bad news, but it is better to understand
 that there is a risk and that feline leukemia is a horrible and dangerous
 disease.

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 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Kerr
 Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:15 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing

 OK,  I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one.
 What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed
positives
 and negatives.  My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show
 up on her initial test.  We did not know she was positive until a
 mediastinal mass developed when she was almost a year old.  She now
receives
 chemo and is doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has
 never shown any signs of being sick.

 Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive.
  However, the initial test was negative.  I have the cats separated and
 intend to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in.  They
 have been introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along
 quite well.  Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him.
Neither
 of my vets seem to think that mixing them will be a problem.

 I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great
 results.  I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative
 became positive.  I'm looking for stories of success or failure.  Please
 share your stories!

 Thanks,
 Melinda, Fuji and Shadow
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Re: [Felvtalk] New

2010-10-14 Thread Joslin Potter
thank you for the advice, we just moved in here not even three weeks ago, so i 
had the carpets steamed! Also, thank you for the litter box answer i will be 
sure to pick one up do you keep them apart like in differnt rooms? I have been 
keeping the litter box in a basement closet that has a little doggie door 
should i maybe put the new one in a laundry room?

Jos  Zoey!





From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 3:52:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New

Joslin
I really appreciate your story, and the care, love and attention you show your 
animal friends.  It is something I can relate to.
As for your questions: I always have one litter box per cat.  They might share, 
cross use, etc.  But I think it provides plenty of bathroom space in case 
anyone gets anxious about smelling the others.
I also isolate a new cat in the house, usually for quite a while -- like 3 to 6 
weeks.  Depends on how everyone acts, but I find a slow, distant introduction 
helps.  Also, you might go around the house and notice where your cat has scent 
marked (dark spots on the corners or doors, about 6 inches up from the floor).  
I clean those off frequently with vinegar/water blend and it seems to calm 
everyone down.
Best wishes on your cat raising!


- Original Message - From: Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New


 Edna,
 
 So, I guess what I am saying is, cherish the time you have together, don't
 worry about what will happen tomorrow because they are in our lives for such a
 short time but in our hearts forever.
 
 - I couldn't agree with you more, I find it to really be a blessing that he is
 still with me! I had a cat prior to him that ironically looked just like Zoey,
 his name was Sampson, he didn't have FeLV but he was the first kitten that I
 took care of on my own, you know as far as cost... fixing/declawing, he was my
 man... even after my daughter, as sad/obsessive as it sounds i always made 
sure
 I made mum time for him as well. When my daughter and I moved into our first
 place as a family, he got outside  to this day we still do not know how, he 
was
 gone for almost three days when he came home with the fur/skin gone on one 
side
 of his face, limping, i think he had gotten hit by a car, or attacked and made
 it home
 
 -The vet told us to watch him and gave him some cream, when he started acting
 all goofy and not really being there we found out the infection had gone to
 his brain, and had to put him down... On top of all that, i had to listen to
 family remind me of the dollars we could have been spending on our child, alas
 Sampson was MY CHILD. To this day, I have a huge 8 x 10 RIP picture on our 
home
 wall, and I've never really gotten over it, is that sad? While i love Zoey, I
 will always hold in my heart Sampson... and i hope someday... when I'm 
 gone... 
i
 can meet the sole that rested in his body!
 
 -Zoey, the little fur ball came into my life while out visiting with friends,
 and i like to think of him as a gift from Sampson to let me know that it was
 okay to let go, and put Zoey here to keep my spirits alive. We used to live 
 in 
a
 TPark when we found Bella, she was skinny, the people two houses down left and
 didn't take there animals, likely story right... the mother cat/kittens were
 trapped underneath, and if i would have been more nosy, i might have saved 
more
 than just Bella, i have no idea how long they were truly under there, but as 
the
 mother cat laid there (RIP)... I had seen her in there house window... alas
 Bella was FeLV + and i had no idea! The vet didn't even think to test for it,
 they said she just needed some healthy food and what not, but when Zoey got
 cold sores in his mouth so bad that he was coughing and could no longer use 
the
 bathroom we rushed him there, they thought at first maybe AIDS as he was UTD
 with all his shots, we didn't save the kitten she was just to weak... alas 
when
 i took Zoey back 6 months later, he still tested +
 
 
 Good news thou! I had a rescue shelter call me today and tell me they had two
 female kittens come in today and is willing to work with me on price to adopt
 one, I'm so excited to maybe get zoey a friend! In a cat w more than one, 
should
 i have two litter boxes? I normally clean mine 3x per day, but i didn't know
 with two? are there any other tips... maybe how if one gets sick how to keep 
the
 other healthy? perhaps introduction? thanks guys for all the support! I really
 do think of Zoey as my angle, I've come to terms with him getting sick, I 
cried
 for a really long time, if i had not taken in that kitten he would have been
 healthy right now, but he is in a way, and he is here... I love him so much...
 people are sick that think of this as a reason to end a life, but i guess look
 how many people get pets and then don't

Re: [Felvtalk] Add my Chloe (FELV) to the Bridge list

2010-10-12 Thread Joslin Potter
I'm sorry to hear about your loss Gloria, tears fill my eyes as well as my FeLV 
cat purrs next to me, it's hard to imagine that things can take a turn in a 
minutes notice. I'm happy that the cat got to live a happy and filled life with 
such a wonderful person/family such as yourself. It takes real courage to go 
thru the ups and downs of this disease!

Joz  Zoey!





From: Hotmail Junk cstet...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, October 11, 2010 8:21:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Add my Chloe (FELV) to the Bridge list

My heart hurts for you! My prayers are with you!!

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On Oct 11, 2010, at 4:53 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:

 My Chloe died today - she's a gray and white FELV kitty, a lovely and sweet 
kitty.  I got her in Sept 2005, from a lady in Oklahoma named Jennifer.  
Jennifer had been a vet tech, and had FELV cats, but when her baby developed 
serious problems and she needed to pass her specia needs cats on to someone 
else, and I took them.
 
 One by one they have passed on.  Chloe was the last - she was 15 or 16, claws 
had grown out, and she was having some kidney problems.  Fall is so dry, it 
seems to be hard on kidney cats.
 
 Chloe was a sweetie and had a soft and gentle passing.  I kept covering her 
 and 
trying to keep her hydrated and warm, but she said no mom, I don't want the 
cover on me. Sleep soft sweet Chloe.
 
 Gloria
 
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