Re: [Felvtalk] Too little appetite

2014-02-26 Thread KG BarnCats
tI recommend that you take Kitty to the vet right away and find out if
there is a reason for inappetance, such as dental/gum irritation.  That is
really common in FELV or FIV cats.  Also, get some appetite stimulant pills
such as cyproheptadine or mirtazipine (also fights nausea).  The longer you
wait while the cat eats poorly, the weaker the cat gets.  Nothing good
comes of that.   Good luck.




On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello everyone,

 Kitty, our little 19 months old FeLV positive cat, has for the past three
 days been eating less than usual. I have tried all sort of new canned foods
 but she eats a little bit and then walks away. She will eat maybe 1/3 of
 what she would normally eat in one meal then walk away sometimes she comes
 back to it but mostly she will want something else. If I give it to her in
 a new bowl she might it or not.
 She has not stopped eating all together but I'm concerned that she is not
 eating as much as previously.
 She plays, poops and pees, does not hide, is otherwise her usual adorable
 self.
 Has anyone seen these signs before?
 I don't know if i should take her to the vet or wait.


 Thanks,

 Malls and Kitty.



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[Felvtalk] urgent question on FELV tests/vax

2014-01-11 Thread KG BarnCats
Seeking advice and best places to shop.

In addition to a small phydically isolated of FELV+ cats, I care for a
large colony of cats.  These are all fixed, all previously tested
negative and mostly adult.  They range from friendly to full feral.
A few were FELV vaccinated a couple years back.

One previously negative diabetic cat has fallen ill and just re-tested
positive, after a host of other tests and treatments over the last two
months.   I don't have the money to test and vax everyone at the vet.
So I am looking for the most cost efficient way to test and vax.

Is it possible to buy snap tests and do them myself, using a blood
drop from the ear?  (similar to getting blood for blood glucose
testing).  Is special equipment required to run the test?  Best source
for bulk test kits?

Where are the cheapest vaccines? I have seen 10 dose FELV only vials
on sale for $69 at California Pet but if anyone knows a better source
for single doses or multi dose vials, I'd appreciate it.

Is there any data/studies to indicate that a single dose conveys
protection for cats over 6 more?  I recall reading on cat info.org
that FVRCP single dose can convey longterm immunity for cats over 4
months.  My understanding is that multiple doses are needed because of
potential maternal derived immunity interference with vaccines, at
least for FVRCP.

Thanks in advance.

Kg

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Re: [Felvtalk] Need feline interferon omega very quickly

2013-12-24 Thread KG BarnCats
Look into polyprenyl immunostimulant (PI) from Sass  Sass.  They have had
good results with dry FIP. Much cheaper and faster to get than interferon
omega.I don't think you use steroids with it, though.

Laurie


On Monday, December 23, 2013,  lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:
 Hi,

 My name is Michelle and I used to be a regular on this list for several
years when I had 6 FeLV+ cats, none of whom, unfortunately, are still with
me. At the time, several of us were ordering feline interferon omega and
would send it to each other when needed in an emergency. I have an FIV+ cat
now who appears to have non-effusive FIP (not definite but many signs
pointing there). The only hope of helping that is feline interferon omega
given in combination with steroids, and given quickly. I will not be able
to get it quickly. Does anyone have it who might be willing to sell me a
few doses to get him started while I try to get it? Or to do an exchange
like we used to do, sending me a few doses while I order and then I send it
back?

 Michelle L.
 NJ (used to be MA)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

2013-12-21 Thread KG BarnCats
Just a note on dental extractions... Helping Hands in Richmond is a great
surgical/dental specialty clinic.  They have pre set prices like $175 for
any dental -- no matter what is needed.  That includes a full mouth
extraction.  Meds are included. Blood work is like $45. This is a top
quality clinic which I have used many, many times over the last few years.
 Was just there again 2 weeks ago with one for chin tumor removal and one
for dental.  Went great.They are against economic euthanasia and have been
on Good Morning America etc.  At their prices, you can travel a long way
and still save a lot of money.  They say if you can get here, we will help
your pet.

Kg



On Saturday, December 21, 2013, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 Read below...


 On 12-20, Jennifer Lewis wrote:
 Hi all,

 My poor Bryyn is having an awful time. Does anyone have experience with
 severe mouth pain? I've been told by vets that she's too young for
 stomatitis, but she's having a horrific time.

 My vet prescribed prednisone, but not only does it not seem to help,
we're
 leery of it for the long term and honestly can't afford it.

 It seemed to be mostly jaw/lymph related as she would freak when yawning,
 but it's getting worse and I'm beside myself. She also has awful breath
 which makes me think as well it may be stomatitis.

 Please help!
 Jen

 Jen, I don't believe stomatitis is only a problem in older cats.
 Some cats that are quite young have it.  I have delt with it and
 it is difficult to deal with.  Vets usually alternate between pred.
 and antibiotics, and in worse case scenario all the cats teeth must
 be removed, which is quite costly.  Howvever since you mention this
 jaw/lymph connection I'd definitely get another opinion. It may not
 be her teeth at all.

 Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite

2013-12-18 Thread KG BarnCats
Can oregano oil be used on cats?  A friend has two kittens with awful
ringworm.  So far Program and Vetericyn haven't done much.  (Gave her some
Vibactra Plus tonite to try boosting the kittens' immune system.)



On Tuesday, December 17, 2013, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yes, I'm actually more into natural and homeopathic then conventional
medicine.

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 On Dec 17, 2013, at 6:07 AM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote:




 -Original Message-
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
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 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite

 I am leary of drs. who want to see/know about herbs, etc. as they might
report you for practicing medicine without a license.

   Unless one is charging for services, simply suggesting or selling
a legal product probably presents no legal issue. I've had mixed results
with alternative therapies, but don't hesitate to try them, after
considerable research. It's probably best to tell your Allopath about
anything you're taking, no matter how safe, as some herbal remedies and
products can significantly affect physiology. Which means they work :)

 All the best,

 Margo



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Re: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV?

2013-11-11 Thread KG BarnCats
We really love Dr Elsey Precious Cat multi cat litter.  Lowest dust of any
I've seen plus cats love it.  Did side by side testing with numerous other
brand incl Swheat and Worlds Best, my cats strongly preferred it.  Clumps
great.  I use giant rubbermaid tubs so few clumps are by the sides making
scooping fast and easy.  There is a fax in rebate for a free first bag on
their website also a 100% usage guarantee.  Cant do better than that.

Kg

On Sunday, November 10, 2013, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Or heartworms.

 Katherine Kershaw kaths...@gmail.com wrote:

May also want to consider pneumonia as a cause for coughing. Xray can
determine it. Is it phlegmy sounding? My cat was swallowing, coughing, had
a gurgly sounding purr and was diagnosed with a little pneumonia. Cleared
up with antibiotics.

Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

They make sifting litter boxes just for the pine litter. you just sift
it to the bottom. And, yes, go to the feed store  get the equine once you
have determined your cats will actually use it.

Beth

Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

Feline does not have dust when pouring but it turns into a find yellow
powder after it breaks down. It's nice and inexpensive where I am because I
get pine pellets from a local feed store at $6 for 40#. But it takes a lot
of sweeping up after it's used for a while.





On Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:05 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
wrote:

Hi Tina -

SWeat Scoop also harden to a cement-like texture that is horribly
difficult to get out . I had to take a hammer to it.
You might want to try Feline Pine. Some cats don't like the texture,
but it doesn't have the dust. Also World's Best (corn based) or the new
Blue Buffalo (Walnut Based). My cats  I like the BB best.
I also if your litter box is covered, but that can cause asthmatic
problems.

Beth




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 From: Tina Smith mit...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 9:56 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV?



Hi all,


I have an FeLV+ kitty.  He has been mostly healthy but is currently
going through something that is causing a lot of coughing.  We have noticed
that he seems sensitive to the drier air of winter and perhaps has some
environmental allergies.  In addition to other things we are doing I am
trying to find a dust-free cat litter for him.  Last night I spent a small
fortune on SWheatScoop litter and was appalled to see all of the dust that
went flying when we put it in his litter pan.  So much for dust-free.  Has
anyone here had luck finding a litter that is good to use for our FeLV+
sweeties?


I'll also tell you a little more about what he's going through in case
anybody has some insight into what might be causing it.  The vet wasn't
helpful.  Just gave him a Convenia antibiotic injection but couldn't say
what the problem might be except possibly pleural effusion.  Darwin is
coughing a lot - a little like the hairball cough but not exactly.  He
seems to be breathing mostly okay through his nose, although I have noticed
occasionally that there does seem to be a little congestion.  There has
been no open-mouth breathing.  He had a bout of diarrhea for a couple of
days this past week but seemed to get over that.  Now I think he might
actually be constipated.  When he coughs nothing comes out but he does
swallow as if he has coughed a little something up and then swallows it. I
have almost wondered if he might have an obstruction but it does seem to be
affecting his breathing some.  I haven't been able to pinpoint any
triggers.  He
 has coughed after drinking water, he has coughed when the heat was on,
he has coughed right after using the litter box.  But he has also coughed
when he's just resting on the bed and nothing is going on.


Any insight would be so welcome.

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Re: [Felvtalk] dermatitis, steroids, and FeLV+ cats

2013-11-05 Thread KG BarnCats
My FIV+ diabetic foster Boo came to me very skinny with the fur licked off
his belly and back legs.  The vet office where he had been office cat
(until his FIV status was discovered) tried steroids, diet changes etc.  I
transitioned him to balanced homemade raw food.  The transition in his case
amounted to putting a plate in front of him, and his fur quickly back in
thick and plush.  He has gained quite a bit weight and looks great now,
aside from a chronic weepy eye.

For the dermatitis / lesions, I would personally start with Vetericyn VF
(vet strength version) in the hydro gel format since that clings better.
It kills fungus, bacteria, viruses etc.  I've had very good luck with
that.  That will help in the interim til you can discover the underlying
cause.

KG


On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:

 Lance
 I had a cat with perseveration licking who removed all the fur under her
 front leg.  No one ever found a root cause and the only thing the vet
 could think of was a steroid shot.  That was 23 years ago!  My Martha did
 not have FeLv that we knew of.  She lived to be nearly 21 years old.  The
 steroids helped but did not cure her problem.  This doesn't directly answer
 your question, but I offer it in case it helps. Your obvious care for Ember
 is so touching.  Best of luck.
 Bonnie

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 On Nov 5, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:

  Hi all,
 
  My Ember has had dermatitis for about two months now. A month ago, the
 vet gave her a Convenia shot, and that didn’t seem to change things much. I
 gave her 2mg of chlor trimeton twice a day for five days, and that hasn’t
 changed anything substantially. She has lesions on her neck and shoulders,
 and there also must be some near her backside, as she’s licked some hair
 off her legs, lower tail, and stomach.
 
  I should note that I’m 99.9% certain this has nothing to do with fleas.
 Ember has no exposure to other animals or the outside (she’s isolated in a
 set of rooms on the second floor of this house), I have seen no fleas on
 her, and I haven’t had any jump on me. The vet found none on her when she
 went in a month ago.
 
  I spoke to the vet today, and she mentioned that they usually give cats
 with this type of dermatitis a steroid injection, but that she worries
 about doing that to Ember, given her FeLV+ status. The vet did say that,
 rather than an injection, we could try tablets. That would at least allow
 us to control how much exposure Ember gets. Right now, this doesn’t seem to
 be life-threatening. I’m wondering what others have done in this situation.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Lance
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6

2013-08-10 Thread KG BarnCats
I am sorry to say wet FIP is another possible cause of fluid in the chest.
 There is no definitive test but there are suggestive bloodwork results,
also if fluid can be tapped off, it can be examined.  FIP fluid is
typically yellowish and sticky.  A Rivalta test can also be done on the
fluid.  there is no cure or effective treatment for wet FIP, although the
slower moving dry FIP form has been successfully treated with polyprenyl
immunostimulant (PI).  Neither form is contagious, as FIP is believed to
arise independently when a cat infected with the common and otherwise mild
coronavirus has the virus mutate for unknown reasons.  FELV+ cats are
apparently more susceptible to the mutations and thus FIP.

I lost my 7 month old FELV+ Smokey to abdominal wet FIP in a matter of
days, just as he was beating a bad URI with help of interferon omega and
PI.  The swelling made him very uncomfortable so we let him go.

Laurie


On Saturday, August 10, 2013, Marci Greer frecklescras...@hotmail.com
wrote:



 Hi everyone,

 We took Charles (felv+) to the vet this morning and they did an xray of
his chest, their is a lot of fluid in his chest cavity, she said it

 could possibly be a tumor. She gave him a shot of cortisone and a shot of
Lasix, sent us home with Lasix pills as well.  I am hoping that

 the Lasix gets rid of all of the fluid and hopefully we can by some time
if it is a tumor.  If anyone has any advise or thoughtsI don't want

 to loose one of our babies.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer

2013-08-09 Thread KG BarnCats
Also check the local pounds - ours has certain foods they prefer to use for
a consistent diet (less tummy trouble).  The other donated foods are often
re-donated to feral feeders who agree to participate in TNR.

KG



On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 Another thought, our small rescue group in NC will get food donations from
 the public sometimes, and we usually give
 some of it to people in the community that need help.  Maybe she could
 check with some of the  local larger
 rescue groups in her area to see if they might have extra food?  They
 might not publicize it, we don't.
 Shelley

 On Aug 9, 2013, at 9:08 AM, Beth wrote:

  In Atlanta we have pet food pantries. You have to be income qualified.
 There may be something near her for that. Sometimes rescues also get good
 at a discount  will sell to colony feeders.
 
  Beth
  Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/
  
 
  From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
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  Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer
 
  I CAN'T HELP, UP TO MY EARS $PROBLEMS, but I have heard that sometimes
 Petsmart and oher pet stores offer outdated pet foods at reduced or for
 free.  Wouldn't hurt to look into it.
 
   Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
   Yes, I have gone online (she has no computer, can't afford to buy one)
 and looked into the Pet Food Stamps program but since Karen has a job and
 is single she is not eligible. I seems like you have to be totally down and
 out to get any help, especially for animals. I can't get Medicaid because I
 am regularly paying a mortgage on a house and I desperately need dental
 work. So there you have it. The great American dream for those of us who
 actually are doing the right thing has turned into a nightmare. Can anyone
 help Karen with a donation of a gift card from a pet food supply store?
 That way she could save some of her hard earned money to make a down
 payment on something that she can drive to work and to her cat colonies
 every day, like she used to. She had just paid off the car she had when the
 transmission cracked. She didn't have air conditioning either and the
 windows stopped functioning. Needed another car even before the
 transmission went belly up.
 
 
  Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
 neighbors too!
 
 
 
 
 
  
  
  
 
 
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[Felvtalk] anemia treatments?

2013-07-25 Thread KG BarnCats
What anemia treatments have proven effective for your FELV+ cats?  I don't
have money for transfusions.  Will price LTCI this morning.

Kg
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT-diatomaceous earth - warning

2013-07-02 Thread KG BarnCats
It's food grade DE.  It is perfectly safe to consume - cats, dogs, horses,
people, etc.. It's usually mixed with wet food or water.  It works by
microscopically scratching the bugs//worms which then dessicate.   See
http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/defaq.html or just google.  Sounds like
some can have reaction to breathing it, so extra care to avoid stirring it
into the air is.needed.  I wonder if the mask could stop the tiny
particles.  I haven't ever needed to use it indoors but I appreciate the
cautionary tale shared.



On Monday, July 1, 2013, C PQ c...@hotmail.com wrote:
 I know someone that FEEDS it to her cats. That can't be good after
hearing your experience. If it's a desiccant, then I would think it might
cause internal damage. Anyone know anything about that?

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 I was really thinking of using it in the yard and on the deck and seeing
how that worked. So far last year and this year we have had NO FLEA OR TICK
PROBLEMS. The cats only go out on the deck, except Harley. He goes into the
woods, but has only had 2 ticks and no sign of fleas. KNOCK ON WOOD.
 nOW IF THERE WAS A SOLUTION FOR BUFFALO GNATS. They raise huge welts on
me and so I spend most of my time indoors until they are gone. They usually
disappear when it starts getting hot.

  janine paton patonjan...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
  I am sorry, I haven't been following this thread but caught the
diatomaceous warning.  Hoping they still make this, but 1-800-flea busters
out of FL. is my favorite product to use.  It's a little work, but I think
I was over zealous the first year.  Third yr I used it, I was not so
diligent, but it worked just fine.  It is safe, and it lasts a year and
that's the real bonus.  Takes a few weeks to work, but it really does.

 Janine


 
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 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 5:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT-diatomaceous earth - warning


 Very scary Beth,  Thanks for the warning.


 On 07-01, Beth wrote:
 I don't want to start a barrage of OT emails with this post. Just a
 quick warnng to be careful
 I tried the food grade diatomaceous earth this weekend to try to
stop
 the fleas. I have all hardwood floors - really old ones, with lots
of
 crevices for the flea eggs to hide in.
 I wore a good sanding mask which blocks small particles. I opened
the
 windows (as many as I could without danger of the cats getting out).
 I sprinkled it in the product on the floors using a sieve. I gently
 swept it into the cracks in the floor in my bedroom  hallway. If
did
 not create any visible dust clouds, etc.
 I went outside, took the mask off  sat for a bit.
 When I went back inside I could not breath. My mouth immediately
became
 parched  my throat started closing.
 I grabbed some water  went back outside.
 I spent the rest of the day with the mask back on washing the floors
 trying to get rid of the stuff.
 Please be careful. I am a very active, relatively young  person. I
 don't have breathing issues.  This was quite scary.
 In addition to the breathing issues, some of it got on my skin  it
 just burned.
 Again, yes, this was the food grade kind.
 I know people on this list use it  have no problems. That's great.
But
 if you have not tried it, please be careful if you do. Try it in a
very
 small area, first.
 I guess I will go back to vacuuming  flea combing.
 I may use the rest in the yard since most of the problem seems to
be my
 dog bringing them in from outside.
 Beth

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[Felvtalk] (no subject)

2013-07-02 Thread KG BarnCats
The cat has only been lost a month - please do not give up!  Odds are he
has not gone far.  I found my Lee after 3.5 months lost. I helped a rescue
find a young kitten lost on the side of a road by acres and acres of woods
with most saying she would have been eaten by coyotes ... But we got her
back safe after a month, and saved another kitten to boot.  My favorite
quote from the various lost pet sites... The cat's job is to survive; your
job is to find the cat!  Do not give up, do not listen to pessimists.  Keep
checking the shelters and vets, keep putting up posters, etc.

Kg

On Tuesday, July 2, 2013, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 I am so sorry you lost William, but I was confused by your post.
 Are you leaving the FelV group or looking for another FelV cat?

 I have a FelV sanctuary and all my positive cats are in good health
 now, but of course this could change. I would love it if they could
 have a real home. If you are looking for a high needs cat I have
 several. Where are you located.

 Lorrie


 On 07-01, Patricia Romagna wrote:
Hi,

I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions.  My cat, William
(as in Shakespeare) ran away last month.  I just hope that he found a
loving family.  When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone
to come to my house just in case he returned home.  I live in a
townhouse community so every house looks the same and he never left
the
house before.  I will probably get another high needs cat.  I adopted
William knowing that he had leukemia.  Basically I want to adopt a cat
that no one else wants.  Wishing all of the best to the members of the
group.


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Re: [Felvtalk] diatomaceous earth

2013-06-13 Thread KG BarnCats
Must use food grade!  The food grade can be fed, mixed on wet canned food.
 Although it feels silky like baby powder, it is actually made of tiny
spiky ball shaped shlls which scratch and dehydrate.  It works mechanically
so pests can't develop immunity.  Kills internal worms when eaten in canned
food (good for kittens, ferals, or in/out cats), and can use topically or
environmentally... can be used against fleas, ants, roaches etc.  Can be
sprinkled in feral cat straw bedding in their shelters. Can be rubbed
directly into fur. Can be used in carpeting, furniture, corners, cracks,
etc if vacuumed up after a while.  I have heard to leave it a day or two.
 Just don't breathe it in, again like baby powder - avoid making clouds
while sprinkling.  Some say you can use it in the yard but I wouldn't
advise that due to all the unintended victims.  if bugs are getting in, can
put DE around foundation, just reapply after rain.  My friends had ants
really bad and DE took care of it quickly.  Get it cheap at local farm
supply.  I paid $20 for 50 lbs of food grade, enough for years.

Kg

On Thursday, June 13, 2013, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
 For fleas in your house you might want to use FOOD GRADE diatomaceous
earth. Be sure it's the food grade, not the other type because the non-food
grade can get into the lungs and cause all sorts of problems. I had a major
flea infestation in my outside enclosure shed which is home to ten cats who
are inappropriate for house living. My friend gave me a bag of food grade
diatomaceous earth which I spread on the floor of the shed and swept it on
in a very thin layer. I closed the shed door for that day and night (good
weather so the cats could be in their outside completely escape proof area.
The next day, when I went into the shed and then stepped outside, there
were no nasty black little specks hopping on my pants leg. Nothing. The
fleas were gone. It was then easier for the Frontline Plus I use on the
cats to do its thing. I even treated part of their yard with the stuff with
excellent results and no harmful chemicals. The food grade diatomaceous
earth is used as a supplement in feed for cows, horses and dogs so even if
the cats lick it off their fur, it will do no harm. It's a calcium
supplement. It's excellent for treating carpets and if you don't mind a
grey sheen on your lino or wood floors, it's good for that also. For
floors, sweep it around the woodwork along the walls and down into crevices
where the lino doesn't fit so well against the wall, if you have that
problem. It's great for dark closets and behind appliances, even for
treating sofas and futons, if you vacuum it out after a few hours.
Diatomaceous earth works on the principle of dehydrating the soft underside
of the flea. What you end up with is a dead, dehydrated flea. It works on
any insect that has a soft underside.


 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!


 
 From: JC microscopicwin...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 7:43 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba

 He's in my thoughts and prayers, as are you..
 --- On Wed, 6/12/13, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:59 PM

 Poor Bubba! I'm sorry he's having such a rough time, and a rude bite on
the tail to top it off. Hopefully he can clear the Hemobart and move on.
I'll add him to the purrayers list.
 Best wishes to you and Bubba,
 Lance
 On Jun 12, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hey guys need some positive energy for one of my FeLV fosters - Bubba. He
had been battling a URI. Tried a couple different antibiotics, and finally,
after a week the URI cleared   he started eating on his own last Sunday.
Well as soon as I took him off the Doxy he started going down again.
 We went to the shelter this afternoon  thankfully they had a wonderful
vet volunteering who has experience in FeLV kitties.
 We're wondering now if he has Hemobart since he starting going down after
withdrawing the Doxy. His gums were pink, though. I've had a constant
battle with fleas. Advantage was no longer working so I switched
Frontline, but that doesn't seem to be working well either.
 He got fluids, more Doxy, Prenisone, Cyproheptadine, Capstar  AD.
 On top of that it looks like he has a cat bite o his tail. Poor baby.
Going to go home tonight  spend some one-on-one time with him.
 Just being able to talk to you guys about these babies really helps. At
least I feel like someone understands how helpless I feel sometimes.

 Beth

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Re: [Felvtalk] Where to buy Interferon Alpha

2013-06-12 Thread KG BarnCats
$40 per month per cat?  No way!!!I believe Wedgewood is where we've
gotten interferon alpha before, compounded so the dose per adult cat is 1
ml.  It is good for 60 days. They sell different size bottles -- the more
you buy, the cheaper it is per dose.  Calculate 30 ml per cat (one month's
medication), times the number of cats you have, times 2 (since good for 2
months) to come up with how much you need.  Then buy the appropriate size
bottle.

Others that compound I've used in the past include Diamondback,
Roadrunner... not sure they all do Interferon.

KG



On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 10:40 PM, kasia mosko kasia...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Hi,

 I ma wondering if anyone knows where can I purchase Interferon Alpha? My
 vet said he could get if for me but it would cost 40 dollars a month for
 each cat. He also said he would be able to dilute it if I could obtain it
 in its full strength, which would save us a lot of money.

 Thanks so much,
 Kasia


  *From:* Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Sunday, June 9, 2013 1:14 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Treatment Protocols

 Of those on the list, I've only used inteferon alpha and Dimethylglycine
 (DMG). Interferon is fairly affordable, while DMG is cheap and available in
 a number of formats (liquid, powder, treat). I can't vouch for whether or
 not they work. We have no studies that I know of for DMG use on FeLV+ cats,
 and interferon alpha studies show possible help, but nothing that says it
 will definitely improve anything.

 ImmunoRegulin - I believe I spoke to Dr. Thomas (an article about her use
 of IR is listed on that page) about ImmunoRegulin. If I remember right, she
 hasn't used the drug for cats in a long time, but I don't think this was
 due to any problem with it. She still said it had done some good.

 Acemannan - Ember's first vet to treat her for FeLV had tried using this
 drug on cats a long time ago, and he didn't see any use in it.

 Lymphocyte T-Cell Immune Modulator - This is a relatively new product, and
 my understanding is that adequate studies have not been conducted. My vet
 wasn't impressed. A cat in town is getting it for something related to
 sneezing, and the owner is happy with the cat's progress. I don't know
 anything about the case; just that my vet talked to another vet here about
 it. It shouldn't hurt, and I'm considering it.

 Staph Protein A - I know nothing about this one and don't know that I've
 ever heard of anyone using it.

 Baypamun - http://www.felineleukemia.org/baypamun.html You can search
 the list archives for this, but I'm not sure it's even available. That page
 on the site hasn't been updated in quite awhile.

 How is Jack doing today?

 Lance

 On Jun 9, 2013, at 11:24 AM, kasia mosko kasia...@yahoo.com wrote:

 
  Hello All,
 
  I've came across this website with treatments for Felv, and was
 wondering if anyone ever tried anything (I know some members tried
 Interferon Alpha)? The link is
  http://www.felineleukemia.org/treatmnt.shtml
 
  Best,
  Kasia
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Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic. Very Thin 8 year old cat

2013-03-20 Thread KG BarnCats
Thanks for reaching out in your desperation to help your mom's kitty.
Sorry you lost your mom, btw.

In my opinion, this cat has to get to the vet, even if only for
euthanasia.  It would be great to do exam/bloodwork first though, if
finances allow -- just in case it's easily treatable.  Euthanasia would be
better than slow starvation.

If she is shy of the standard box trap, then a drop trap is awesome.  See
http://www.livetrap.com/index.php?dispatch=products.viewproduct_id=30250 for
full kit with trap and transfer cage.   They can be made, too, if you are
handy. I'm totally not, so I bought the drop trap and it is great for
trap-shy cats.

 Failing that, what about asking the vet about some kind of sedative like
acepromazine?  This could be fed via pill pocket or perhaps crushed in her
food.  (I've never crushed it, not sure if it's bitter...  PP have always
worked for me.) This med would make her calmer, more sleepy, and possibly
slow enough where you could very slowly herd her into a trap.  Having a
friend with a large sheet of cardboard could really help.

A large door dog wire crate is great for housing feral cats during
treatment.  Ask a friend with a big dog, if you can borrow their crate.
You can put the trap right inside the crate and work completely hands-off,
especially if the trap has a guillotine door.  If not, it's just a little
more difficult but not impossible.  I recommend the setup as seen at
http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_FOSTERING_A_FERAL_CAT_SAFELY , with
the exception that the trap/carrier door should face AWAY from the crate
door opening, with maybe 6 at most between the trap door and the back wall
of the wire crate.  That way, if you have to work with the cat without it
being secured in the closed trap/carrier, the cat has to come out, turn
around and then head for the door -- that buys you extra time to react.
Bungee cords are great for holding the trap/carrier door open - you can
hook the door and pull it up from external to the crate.  A second bungee
can hold the trap in palce.  An extended wire coat hanger can help grab the
trap door handle too. . For a litter box, I  recommend getting a $3 kitchen
dish wash tub.  The high sides will keep litter from going everywhere, and
it's easy to clean.  I like the 18 liter size tub (
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Sterilite-18-Qt-Dishpan-White/17011369 ) but I
typically use 42-48 double door wire dog crates.   Just so much easier to
fit everything in, and to work in.

If she is diabetic, getting her on low carb wet food (no more dry kibble
ever) will in all likelihood put her into remission within a week or two.
Especially if she can get insulin shots for a week or two, but even if not,
the symptoms should drop dramatically with low carb wet food.   I can
advise more on this separately, having worked with diabetics since 2007.

If the cat is hyperthyroid, surgery could be a great option. It is usually
a cure.  The vet at Helping Hands in Richmond is extremely experienced and
will do the surgery for around $500 including bloodwork and everything
else. I just had it done for one of my old girls and she is gaining weight
beautifully.  It was 1/3 the cost of radiation treatment.

You could make an insulated bed for pretty cheap.  A roll of reflectix can
be bought at your local hardware store.  It is a thin flexible
silvery insulation that reflects back 95% of body heat.  Add some straw for
nesting material, and then the Snuggle safe would make it awesomely warm.

 Where are you located?  (town name or something nonspecific like, 45 min
north-west of whatever city)


KG




On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 2:48 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:

 I really appreciate the information about getting her to the vets and
 would if it was an option.  I have live traps etc.  Once this crew is
 trapped, they are rarely trapped again.  She can't be handled nor can the
 others.  It is my hope to trap them one final time and relocate them to my
 farm.  They live at my Mom's and she died.  Her house will be sold.  I have
 examined all the trap/vet possibilities.  Honest.  Consider that there will
 be no way of treating her for diabetes or even thyroid issues over any
 period of time unless she is imprisoned at the vets for the rest of her
 life.

 I will check the Neutro Ved for her food.  Sometimes I can get supplements
 into her food and other times I can't.  These guys are very wild.  Think of
 this in terms of treating a possum or coon that lives near you.  And yes,
 she is very loved but she is very wild too.

  On Mar 20, 2013, at 12:00 PM, Lee Evans wrote:

  Could be overactive thyroid. Especially if she's eating normally or more
 than normally and is getting thinner by the minute. That could also account
 for the fact that she is cold. Is her fur dull looking and dry? If she can
 be trapped, she would need a thyroid profile (T-3 and T-4) and a glucose
 test for diabetes. She may have the equivalent of human pernicious anemia
 or chronic anemia so 

Re: [Felvtalk] raw food FeLV pos cats

2013-03-16 Thread KG BarnCats
Hi,
For several years I have primarily fed home made raw to my horde of cats
(FELV + separated) and dogs, and have never had any food related problem
whatsoever.  They are in wonderful condition. I do mix in some fish as a
treat every week or so, but it is canned tuna, mackerel, or sardines (all
in water, not oil).  I carefully follow a balanced recipe with no grains,
starches, veggies.

I make a point of being very well read on the publicized risks but I think
they are very overstated - after all, raw is what cats evolved to eat over
millions of years.  Their digestive systems are short and acidic.   Most
vets are poorly trained on nutrition and much of that training comes via
the pet food industry, which makes a bundle selling biologically
inappropriate grain laden, carb heavy, overproccessed, overpriced crap.  Of
course they fear-monger about raw food, even for cats with perfectly
healthy immune systems.  As if dry food hasn't been proven to have frequent
contamination with salmonella etc.  No human has ever been shown to catch
disease from raw food, but there are loads of cases of people getting it
from commercial pet food.  And that doesn't even begin to address the
factors of salivary enzymes as the cat gnaws chunks of meat/bone, or the
enzymes and nutrients destroyed by the disgusting rendering process, or the
plastic and filth cooked in with the often rancid ingredients.  Or the risk
of tainted ingredients. Or the fact that cats are far less healthy overall
than they were 50 years ago... just research the huge jump in diabetes,
obesity, kidney disease, cancer, etc.  Why do most cats now routinely die
in their early teens at best, when they used to live so much longer?  Why?

If one believes that fresh, natural food is better for people than
processed food, then why treat animals any different?  I believe sick or
immunocompromised animals need more nutrition, not less.  They need the
best quality food possible, and I think that is the food they evolved to
eat.   I wish I could feed whole prey, but it's unaffordable.  On the other
hand, homemade raw is made with far better ingredients yet costs so much
less than commercial food - about 35 cents a day.

Which do you trust more?  Millions of years of mother nature's success, or
the money-motivated pet food industry?

Ok, getting off soapbox now.  :)
Kg


On Saturday, March 16, 2013, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Carrie,
 I am so sorry to hear about your kitties. And I am praying they get
better very soon.
 I had put a post up asking the group about raw food for FeLV cats but no
one responded or commented about using that for their cats.
 I have read that for FeLV cats it might be a hazard because their systems
cannot withstand any challenges from parasites.
 Also I have read that seafood is not recommended for FeLV cats so I do
not feed any seafood to mine.
 I am trying to find a holistic vet to start my FeLV cat on a special diet
but it's always best to be in contact with a vet when starting the home
cook diet or a raw diet.
 If the cats are sick l would take them to vet so they can be treated
right away, with FeLV early prevention is the best policy.
 Hope this helps, please send an update soon.
 Sent from my iPad
 On Mar 15, 2013, at 23:45, Carrie Rosenblatt oecb11...@yahoo.com wrote:

 hi. I saw this online - and wondered what you found out about raw food
for FeLV cats. I had one at my apt for a night, and gave him homemade food,
which was made with raw meat, but no pieces of meat was in what I gave him,
just the grains and tuna and supplements, but I was wondering if the juice
or residue from the raw meat could have hurt him, as he is very sick and
getting worse.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc

2013-03-03 Thread KG BarnCats
consider adding Agaricus blazeii for white cell stimulation, obtaining from
atlasworldusa.com .  It worked great for my felv- boy when he was going
thru chemo for multi site lymphoma, the vets were astonished how great his
bloodwork was. Normally the white count would drop dramatically but his
stayed normal.  I get the human capsules then mix it in the wet food.  He
is super fussy but ate it without problem.  It is not very expensive, about
$1 a day.

the agaricus blazeii is a standard support recommended by Dr Alice Villa
Lobos, one of the top feline cancer speciaiists in the US.  Google immuno
nutrition villa lobos to find out more.

another thing to consider is transfer factor, more expensive but it is the
stuff in mother's milk that stimulates, trains and regulates the immune
system.  It works for any mammal.  There are several versions, the more
expensive one with tri-factor is supposed to tune up the immune system over
400 per cent.  I used to use it but had to give up due to the cost.  Can be
bought on Amazon.

good luck
KG



On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 Thanks for relating your experience, Sally. That link might come in handy,
 too. I wish we had more to go on than anecdotes, though. It seems like
 there haven't been that many studies done to confirm what treatments work
 best. I'm considering:

 ImmunoRegulin
 Virbagen Omega
 LTCI
 Neupogen

 I don't know if I can afford Neupogen, and when I talked to my vet about
 it, she seemed uncertain. It has a reputation for causing bone pain, and if
 I can help it, I don't want to give Ember something that makes her
 miserable.

 Virbagen Omega is expensive, but I know (roughly) how much it costs, and
 it's worth it to me if it can help Ember. There seems to have been some
 success in its use. Unfortunately, it still doesn't seem to be available
 here, and shipping is a good chunk of its cost.

 LTCI and ImmunoRegulin seem affordable and potentially useful. When I was
 last looking into these options, there wasn't much evidence to support
 LTCI's benefits. It seems to have become more accepted over the last few
 years, but I'm still feeling cautious about it.

 I'll do a more thorough scan of the list's archives soon, and I'm going to
 call a few vets tomorrow.

 Lance

 On Mar 3, 2013, at 12:25 AM, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote:

 Lance,

 Two of my cats got this. Junior went from being anemic to borderline low
 and his fevers which had been as high as 106.5 went away. Now As I am
 reading more I wish I had kept him on it.  Tiny wasa asymptomatic but he
 was positive. He actually passed 4 mos after testing positive. The felv
 probably played a part. He most likely threw a clot  I was with him and was
 too sudden. There was no emergency vet visit. The worst part was he died on
 Chstmas day. I miss them all.I ordered the IR from Revival Pet supply. I
 ordered mine direct does not require a presciption.
 http://www.revivalanimal.com/ImmunoRegulin-EqStim.html It was more if my
 vet ordered it. I took the vial in to the vet's office and a tech  gave him
 the injection IV.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc

2013-03-03 Thread KG BarnCats
I gave 1/2 agaricus blazeii human capsule twice a day, so he got 600
mg/day.  recommended on the pet bottle was 45 mg/lb so my dose was a little
more than that.  Danny went into remission in month and is still cancer
free 6 years later.  :)

KG



On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:25 PM, designercats cats
designerc...@hotmail.comwrote:

 Thank you for this timely info! One of my FeLV+ cats, Mattie was diagnosed
 with high grade lymphoma on Dec. 22nd. I've had her for 5 years now and
 she's done well. Her only symptoms were those of a bladder infection.  Her
 bloodwork was great.  She's been undergoing chemo since Dec. 27th and this
 last week, her lymphocyte count was a bit too low.After 4 weeks, she went
 into complete remission, and is doing well other than the slightly low wbc.
  She weighs 13 lbs, eats well, etc.. I'm also giving her onco support by rx
 vitamins, but no transfer factor. I was looking for something specifically
 to raise the wbc. I'll order this tomorrow and hopefully will get
 it quickly. How much did you give you cat undergoing chemo?
 Thank you so much again!
 El

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 Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 21:13:36 -0500
 From: kgbarnc...@gmail.com

 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc

 consider adding Agaricus blazeii for white cell stimulation, obtaining
 from atlasworldusa.com .  It worked great for my felv- boy when he was
 going thru chemo for multi site lymphoma, the vets were astonished how
 great his bloodwork was. Normally the white count would drop dramatically
 but his stayed normal.  I get the human capsules then mix it in the wet
 food.  He is super fussy but ate it without problem.  It is not very
 expensive, about $1 a day.

 the agaricus blazeii is a standard support recommended by Dr Alice Villa
 Lobos, one of the top feline cancer speciaiists in the US.  Google immuno
 nutrition villa lobos to find out more.

 another thing to consider is transfer factor, more expensive but it is the
 stuff in mother's milk that stimulates, trains and regulates the immune
 system.  It works for any mammal.  There are several versions, the more
 expensive one with tri-factor is supposed to tune up the immune system over
 400 per cent.  I used to use it but had to give up due to the cost.  Can be
 bought on Amazon.

 good luck
 KG



 On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 Thanks for relating your experience, Sally. That link might come in handy,
 too. I wish we had more to go on than anecdotes, though. It seems like
 there haven't been that many studies done to confirm what treatments work
 best. I'm considering:

 ImmunoRegulin
 Virbagen Omega
 LTCI
 Neupogen

 I don't know if I can afford Neupogen, and when I talked to my vet about
 it, she seemed uncertain. It has a reputation for causing bone pain, and if
 I can help it, I don't want to give Ember something that makes her
 miserable.

 Virbagen Omega is expensive, but I know (roughly) how much it costs, and
 it's worth it to me if it can help Ember. There seems to have been some
 success in its use. Unfortunately, it still doesn't seem to be available
 here, and shipping is a good chunk of its cost.

 LTCI and ImmunoRegulin seem affordable and potentially useful. When I was
 last looking into these options, there wasn't much evidence to support
 LTCI's benefits. It seems to have become more accepted over the last few
 years, but I'm still feeling cautious about it.

 I'll do a more thorough scan of the list's archives soon, and I'm going to
 call a few vets tomorrow.

 Lance

 On Mar 3, 2013, at 12:25 AM, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote:

 Lance,

 Two of my cats got this. Junior went from being anemic to borderline low
 and his fevers which had been as high as 106.5 went away. Now As I am
 reading more I wish I had kept him on it.  Tiny wasa asymptomatic but he
 was positive. He actually passed 4 mos after testing positive. The felv
 probably played a part. He most likely threw a clot  I was with him and was
 too sudden. There was no emergency vet visit. The worst part was he died on
 Chstmas day. I miss them all.I ordered the IR from Revival Pet supply. I
 ordered mine direct does not require a presciption.
 http://www.revivalanimal.com/ImmunoRegulin-EqStim.html It was more if my
 vet ordered it. I took the vial in to the vet's office and a tech  gave him
 the injection IV.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Anemia blood transfusions

2013-02-27 Thread KG BarnCats
The transfusion is to get the cat past a crisis.  To address the underlying
issues, you could try treating with LTCI which is specifically for FELV+
cats.  Orally dosed Interferon alfa is another excellent treatment for
FELV+ cats, and cheap especially when you have multiple FELV+ and/or FIV+
cats (compounded liquid, 60 day shelf life).

http://tcyte.com/ltci-product-info-feline-leukemia/

Epogen is a drug that can be used to stimulate red blood cell production,
but it is a serious medicine not to be given lightly.  But I would try it
alongside the interferon alfa and LTCI in a desperate anemia situation, if
I had the money.

More info at http://www.felineleukemia.org/treatmnt.shtml

BTW I had a very anemic cat (FELV-) and they didn't know why he was sick
despite all kinds of tests.  Out of desperation we gave him the doxy, and
he responded very quickly.  So they figured he had hemobartonella.  He
recovered and is still fine, years later.

KG



On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Marnie -

 So sorry your baby is sick.
 The Doxy is in the hopes it is hemobartonella that is causing the problem.
 This can be a little difficult to diagnose, so vets usually give the Doxy
 just in case, but it works pretty quickly if that's what it is. I had a
 non-FeLV cat with hemobartonella  he started showing improvement within 2
 days of the blood transfusion  Doxy.
 Non-regenerative anemia of unknown origin is pretty common in FeLV cats.
 Most of my FeLV's have died from this. I would have to agree with your vet,
 unfortunately.

 So sorry you are having to go through this.

 Beth
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 *Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:48 PM
 *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Anemia  blood transfusions


 I apologize in advance if this topic has been discussed recently, but my
 baby is sick and I haven't been on the computer much.

 My FELV cat Thomas O' Malley, has non regenerative anemia. He wasn't
 showing any signs of illness until one day he spent the entire day hiding
 in my closet. I immediately took him in and he was already pale from lack
 of blood. We gave him a transfusion and he has been great for 2 weeks.
 Yesterday he went back in the closet and we are back in the same situation.
 The vet recommended against another transfusion saying its a waste of time
 and money because the FELV will continue to attack the marrow and he will
 continue to need transfusions.

 I read that the transfusions can last longer each time you get them, but I
 don't know if that's true. Has anyone had a cat in this situation? Did the
 transfusion last more than a few weeks?
 I have him on iron supplements in addition to the prednisone and
 doxycycline.

 Thanks. I'm so conflicted. I don't want him to suffer!
 Marnie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice

2012-11-20 Thread KG BarnCats
It's a very interesting article/study.  I think they are not advocating
that pets go unspayed but rather there be further study of spay where only
the uterus is removed.  But in addition to risks like mammary cancer, I
worry about spayed pets in heat and their hormonally driven efforts to
escape the house to mate.  How many pets are lost, injured and killed that
way?  How many pet owners will be upset by the pet's behaviors and possible
mess while the pet keeps cycling in heat?   It is a multi-faceted issue
that I hope gets more research.

Kg



On Tuesday, November 20, 2012, Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Perhaps this information will be useful to other folks on this list,
then, since Felv shortens lifespan in general.
 Dogs are more likely to get both mammary cancer and pyometra than are
cats, and ovary retention seems to override this, along with their heat
stresses.However, cats are polyestrous (go into heat several times a
year) whereas dogs are diestrous (two heat cycles a year), so cats have
more heat stresses, which may or may not override the ovary-retention
effect.  Note that breeders use various methods of getting cats they don't
want pregnant out of heat, so perhaps one could sufficiently reduce the
stress to that of a dog's.
 I've heard of cats living to over 30, and since this study looks at the
outliers for what's possible, we might look at 30+ years as an upper bound
for cat longevity, at least non-Felv+ ones.


 On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I'm not going to start an argument over one study.
 Being in heat was very stressful on the one of the 1st FeLV cats I had.
The spay was easy  she recovered quickly.
 My cats have all been spayed. We've had cats live well into their 20's -
all spayed.
 Cats who still have their ovaries, which are responsible for heat
cycles, are much more likely to develop mammary cancer.
 Cats ( dogs) can also develop an infection in their uterus (pyometra)
from not being spayed..

 There is just not enough evidence out there to make me even think about
not getting my cats, FeLV or not,  spayed.

 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

 
 From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 3:41 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice

 If that's the case, then why do dogs who retain their ovaries live a
third longer?There's more to the overall story than just local
stresses: http://www.gpmcf.org/respectovaries.html   American vet schools
do not teach any sterilizations other than spay/neuter.

 On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 My vet said being in heat is more stressful than the surgery. I would
wait for the retest, though. If still positive have a full bloodwork panel
done to make sure she is healthy, just as you would for a senior kitty.
 Hope all goes well.

 Beth

 Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello everyone,
 
 We are looking at possibly spaying Kitty, our 5 months old FeLV rescued
feral baby. She is currently on the lysine and living large in her own
room, isolated from our other two cats, since she posted positive but we
are retesting her at 6months, which should be in December.
 Should we retest first and then spay?
 Is there anything we should know/do to prepare ?
 
 Any suggestions are welcome
 
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 If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save
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 If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life,
and to free up cage space.

 Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/

 Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
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 Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

 More fun reading:
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Re: [Felvtalk] SusieQ

2012-10-06 Thread KG BarnCats
If chemotherapy is an option, you could try one dose on the
Wisconsin-Madison protocol.

my diabetic Danny was dx with lymphoma in his liver, intestines and liver -
very fast moving.  he was given very poor prognosis, maybe 10% of making a
couple months, and could easily die from the chemo since he was so
debilitated from the time it took to get a diagnosis.  honestly I only
tried because it was my sons cat and he begged for one more chance for
Danny to fight (he had beaten several life threatening illnesses before).
 Well don't you know that chemo stomped the crap out of that cancer and
literally the day after the chemo, Danny was like a new cat and came home
and ate like crazy... this was the day I thought I would be letting him go.
 I was actually furious with the ER vet because I called and was told he
could come home and I thought they didn't even know which horribly sick cat
was mine.   That was 5.5 years who and Danny is still cancer free.  (He did
complete the 26 week protocol)

The point is, sometimes you get lucky.  One dose of chemo will let you know
if chemo is going to work, statistically.  Those that respond well to the
first dose tend to do very well; those that don't respond, don't do well.
 So you could stop after the first chemo if it didn't help.

Another thing to try either way is agaricus blazei from Atlasworldusa.com.
 this is given to all cancer patients by Dr Alice villalobos who is one of
the nations top feline cancer specialists (Google villalobos
immunonutrition).  It is low cost and Danny's weekly bloodwork proved
without a doubt that it greatly increased his white blood cell count during
chemo.

By the way do not let the liver damage overly scare you.  The liver can
heal itself, regenerate.  Denamarin works great.  Danny's went from very
damaged per bloodwork to normal in a month.

Best wishes whatever you decide.

Kg


 From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 2:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again

 REALLY?  Y'all think so?  I don't think anyone is being mean and hateful,
but then again, I tend to see the positive side of most things :)

 Anywho, I'll ask again DOES anyone have any advice on things I can do to
make SuzieQ more comfortable in her last days.  She is 2-3 years old, was
diagnosed with a rapidly advancing cancer a couple of weeks ago, doctor
said she was exposed to FeLuk as a kitten even though she was able to shed
the virus but there is nothing we can do because the cancer has
already compromised her liver, etc.  Anyone have any pearls of wisdom to
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

2012-10-06 Thread KG BarnCats
You can definitely get waiver for some medical issues or immunodeficiency.
 For rabies, if you can't get a waiver, insist on the purevax brand which
is non-adjuvanted.  It has less irritating ingredients, making it far less
likely to cause cancer etc.

kg


On Saturday, October 6, 2012, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote:
 I might give them rabies simply because of law enforcement issues but you
should be able to get a waiver for that.  I don't vaccinate sick/immune
compromised animals.
 On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:52 AM, Lorrie wrote:

 What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens??
 They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations,
 but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry.
 They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in
 my cat sanctuary.

 Lorrie

 On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds.  I am having
 enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not.  I have a couple who
 never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them
and
 1 is 14 years old.  I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might
do
 more harm than good.  The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most
of
 the time they are on the deck laying in the sun.  Rabies is required
here,
 but not the others.  I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since
I
 have 2 positives.


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Re: [Felvtalk] DNR order - OT

2012-09-26 Thread KG BarnCats
Some, especially the elderly or very ill, may wish to look into the
DNR bracelets.  My grandmother's nursing home mislaid her file so at
the critical moment, they could not show her DNR to the paramedics --
so she was forced through a lot of intrusive procedures that she
absolutely did not want.  The family was horrorstruck as well to know
that her wishes were not honored.  The bracelets can help prevent
similar events.





On 9/26/12, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 On 09-25, MaiMaiPG wrote:
 With those beliefs, please check into a Do Not Resuscitate Order.  LWs
 are great but stopping something once it is started is difficult.  A
 DNR can help keep measures from being started.

 Thanks, I'll do that. I didn't realize a DNR order was a separate thing
 from a LW with a medical POA.


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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

2012-08-31 Thread KG BarnCats
just look at the science diet ingredients then look up what an obligate
carnivore should eat.  science diet is a huge scam.  over on diabetes
groups, it's often called science death for its horribly inappropriate high
carb crap ingredients.
Check WWW.catinfo.org to see what a cat should eat.  hint:  not dehydrating
dry food, especially for males or any cat with urinary tract problems.


On Friday, August 31, 2012, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:
 Whenever our cats were put on Science Diet, they hated it, lost
weight…because they didn’t want to eat it.  Wasted a lot food, a lot of
money, and didn’t help the cats.  It’s disgusting!



 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
 Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 1:28 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition



 I absolutely detest Science Diet.

 Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas
2010.

 On Aug 30, 2012, at 11:08 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I used Hills on and off for years and found that my cats threw up more
often with it.  So I finally quit using.  Water fountains are great.  Not
only do the cats drink.  They sit for hours watching the water go round and
round.  Only problem was, two or three of my cats started urinating around
the fountain. Maybe they were trying to imitate it.  Who knows what goes
through the minds of cats.  No, they didn't have UTI, just a bit of bad
attitude.





 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!



 

 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

 Vets push the Hills because Hills says to.


  Emma Beauchamp weazy...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hello All,

 My cat Gertrude Penelope Pennyapple is a one year old baby and she has
had FELV probably since she was born. She has always been very healthy
despite the FELV and a chronic upper respiratory infection, but recently
(Sunday night) she contracted a UTI.  She had a urinalysis at the vet and
130 dollars later she was diagnosed with an UTI, and Struvite Crystals were
present in her bladder.  I was given an Antibiotic called Orbax and given
Hill's Science Prescription diet S/D.  I bought a bag of Dry Food and a
couple of cans of wet.

 My picky/anorexic cat hates both of them! She ate 1/3 of a can of the wet
food yesterday, but hasn't touched it today, and she just kind of giggled
at the dry food and turned away.


 After reading a few articles online, I'm kind of mad they sold me the dry
food in the first place, since a big part of the struvite crystals is water
intake!

 I was wondering if anybody has dealt with this issue before, and if so
what kind of food/diet did you switch to?

 Before the prescription food I was feeding Gertie Whiskas brand meaty
selections dry food, and occasionally their wet food as well.  I used to
feed her exclusively Blue Buffalo Wet Food, but this summer funds were
tight so I switched to the Whiskas, and she seemed to like it more anyway!

 So any suggestions/experiences would be welcome and helpful!!

 Emma Beauchamp



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[Felvtalk] stomatitis protocol

2012-08-24 Thread KG BarnCats
I would really like to get the stomatitis protocol.  I have 2 FELV+ with it.

thanks




On 8/23/12, Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote:
 Lee, would you like me to send you my holistic stomatitis protocol?   It
 worked on both my cats (not Felv+, though), one of which had it so bad that
 blood spurted out his mouth whenever he opened it.


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Re: [Felvtalk] sick FLV+ kitty, worried owner

2012-04-22 Thread KG BarnCats
I'm surprised no one has mentioned an appetite stimulant such as
cyproheptadine or mirtazipine.  These are awesome tools to help keep a cat
eating the top quality foods it needs to rebuild its body.  Also don't be
afraid of an early feeding tube --if-- the cat's prognosis on the other
side of the illness is good.  Even with a FELV cat, some illnesses are not
a sign that the cat is nearing the end.  But adding slow starvation on top
of illness is a path to disaster.  And a feeding tube can be put in (just
takes a few minutes... relatively minor surgery... anesthetia is very
short) for $125 at helping hands clinic in Richmond, if u are anywhere
near... awesome inexpensive clinic profiled on Good Morning America, etc.

Good luck,
Laurie

Laurie

On Sunday, April 22, 2012, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Anna, you've already gotten some good advice.  Anemia will make her feel
rotten.  Treating that with nutrived could help her feel better.  Or try
Pet-Tinic but also give her some folic acid.  I've given anemic kitties
NutriVed, folic acid, Super B complex and B-12.  Be sure to follow up any
med with a syringe of food or water.

 Make sure she is eating enough food to maintain her body wt.  That may
mean assist feeding.  There is a great yahoo group to help.
 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/
 You can try some gently warmed meat baby food (no onions or garlic).  It
is easy to syringe feed.
 You can check to see if she is dehydrated by checking her gums.  If they
are slick she is OK.  If they are tacky she is dehydrated.  That will also
make her feel lousy.  You can give sub q fluids at home.  I buy the fluids
by the case from my local pharmacy.  The IX sets and Terumo ultra thin wall
needles are available on line.  Here are some links that will help
 Sophia Gets Her Subcutaneous (Sub Q) Fluids
 http://www.tinyurl.com/63max
 Go here for info on sub q fluid supplies
http://www.zzcat.com/CRF/supplies/index.html

 Hiding doesn't man this is the end.  Just that Sylvia isn't feeling
well.  Do try to get some food into here.

 Sharyl

 From: Anna Waltman anna.walt...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2012 1:25 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] sick FLV+ kitty, worried owner

 Dear all,
 I've been a member of this list since 2009, when Sylvia, the older of my
two (strictly indoor-only) cats, was first diagnosed with FLV (she'd tested
negative twice as a kitten, then at just over a year old came up positive
on both the snap and IFA tests). We have a great vet, and she's been a
happy, healthy, fat, and sassy calico cat for most of her life. I haven't
been very active on this list in the last year or so because Sylvia has
been so healthy, apart from a case of gingivitis that our vet and I were
monitoring carefully. She's about four years old now, and was originally a
stray kitten in an urban area. I adopted her from an ASPCA in New Jersey.
The vet thinks she got the virus from her mama and it was dormant in her
system until the stress of moving from NJ to MA caused it to turn active.

 Unfortunately, her run of good health seems to be over. Toward the end of
March, she started having diarrhea and seemed lethargic, so I took her to
the vet, who said she didn't have a fever, but gave her a shot of systemic
antibiotics and some subcutaneous fluids anyway. Her energy levels rose and
the diarrhea resolved itself. However, Sylvia's energy levels took a
nosedive again this past week, and she's been totally lethargic. She
started hiding in my roommate's closet and spent an entire night in there
on Wednesday. She's been refusing to play with my other cat, Beatrice, and
hissed last time Beatrice tried to convince her to play chase (not normal
at all-- these two have always been good buddies and playmates).

 Yesterday, we went back to the vet. This time, she did have a high fever
(105) and the vet did blood work, which showed anemia and a high white
blood cell count. The vet said all signs point to infection and suggested
antibiotics and fluids, but she also wanted to do x-rays to check for
tumors...then she also said that even if a tumor showed itself, there would
be no treatment options and we'd have to discuss euthanasia. I opted
against the x-rays as I'm on a limited budget and couldn't really see the
point if the tests wouldn't lead to treatment. We decided to do another
round of the injected systemic antibiotics and sub-Q fluids, and the vet
also gave me an oral antibiotic to dose Sylvia with once a day. I'm going
to purchase a thermometer so I can monitor her temperature daily, as well.
I'm under strict instructions to bring her back in if her temp rises or
stays where it is. We go back on Wednesday for another round of blood work,
to see if the anemia and white blood cell count are improving or getting
worse.

 I'm a mess. I'm so worried; I broke down crying in the vet's office
yesterday before the vet even came in to see Sylvia. And poor Sylvia has
been hiding under my 

Re: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice

2012-03-21 Thread KG BarnCats
Ask about an appetite stimulant such as cyproheptadine or mirtazipine.  I
have had feeding tubes put in several times and would never hesitate to get
another.  Helping   Hands in Richmond Va is an awesome low cost surgery,
and a feeding tube is only $125 total. One thing to watch out for with
hepatic lipidosis is refeeding injury... it can cause major problems!

On Thursday, March 22, 2012, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote:
 I agree that this kitty needs to be looked at for lipidosis. My Luc had a
bout with this several years ago – he had stopped eating and we didn’t
immediately notice, never did find out the reason although the vet
suspected a touch of pancreatitis. We had a feeding port implanted in his
esophagus, a couple inches from his ear. It didn’t bother him too much, and
we were able to feed him watered-down and blundered A-D. Within 2 weeks his
appetite was back on track. First he wanted to lap up the A-D goo, and then
he started eating on his own again. We had to leave the port in for a while
because the surrounding hole had to heal before it could be taken out.
Anyway, he made a complete recovery. It cost us quite a bit since the
emergency vet in the area was the only one who could put in the port, and
Luc had a bad reaction to the anesthetic and had to stay the night there –
that by itself was $600 – but it was money well spent to save our guy. He
was 13 at the time (and FeLV-).



 Diane R.



 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
 Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 8:50 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice
 Importance: High



 It may not be just jaundice, it could be hepatic lipidosis, which is very
serious! Blood test is a must, and force feeding, fluids (sub-q), and
antibiotics are required!

 I had a cat last summer that went down to 4.5 lbs, to the point where
they wanted to insert a feeding tube through nose or surgically into
stomach to which I said no, because I knew that I could force fed her small
amounts all day long, and she would have been absolutely miserable with any
of the two.  I mixed A-D with some hot water and meds, and used a syringe.
 Within 2 weeks, her values were tremendously improved and she made a
complete recovery.  Hepatic lipidosis happens mostly to female cats. She
was only about 1 ½ - 2 yrs old.  She is a very fussy eater, and I have
finally found the one and only food that she will eat. BTW,  her prognosis
was grim, and the vets were really surprised how I got her well in such a
short time! The poor girl was through a lot, had a litter in the streets
(only 2 survived), and we got her when she was already pregnant with second
litter – too late to abort.





 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
 Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 9:23 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice



 A friend of mine has two FeLV + cats, littermates about 8 months old, and
one has developed jaundice.  He has lost a ton of weight also.  The last
couple of days he doesn't want to eat although he's not laying around or
lethargic.  Anyone had experience with this?  Anything that can be done or
is this the end for him?

 Maureen

 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that
are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts
upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to
me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
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Re: [Felvtalk] interferon strength and source

2012-02-20 Thread KG BarnCats
Hi,
I have rescued several cats that are FELV or FIV+.  My vet is willing to
prescribe interferon   but she never had anyone use it before and she
doesn't doesn't know what strength to prescribe?  Please let me know a good
place to order it from, too.  I need the largest size bottle, I guess,
since I have multiple pos kitties.

Is the interferon ready to use or do I have to dilute it?  If so where can
I fond out how to do that?

What is the recommended dose?  Is it weight dependent?

I already feed home made raw supplemented with platinum performance.

Thanks!!
Laurie


 - Original Message -

 From: Vicky Eyal

 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 12:09 PM

 Subject: [Felvtalk] When to start treatment?



 I was just wondering when the best time to start treatment for FeLV is?
While the cat is still healthy or best to wait until he/she is visibly
sick? Also, which of the treatments mentioned on the site would you
recommend? I am leaning towards Interferon, just because there seems to be
more anecdotal evidence around for that - thoughts? Are your cats on
multi-vitimins or anything to boost/support the immune system?



 Thanks so much,

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Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey

2012-02-08 Thread KG BarnCats
Hi, can you tell me more about the salve and tonic.  My FELV- cat Venture
just had his foreleg amputated yesterday due to a fast growing tumor
(biopsy pending).  He has  stage 2 CRF.  Thanks.


Laurie

On Tuesday, February 7, 2012, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:
 I'll let Natalie talk to you about this since she has the most
experience.  It's not something you can get off the shelf in a store.

 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that
are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts
upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to
me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
Twain

 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 19:01:30 -0600
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey
 CC: molvey...@hotmail.com

 What is the name of the salve and tonic? Would like to have some on hand
just in case.

  Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
  From my limited amount of experience with this black salve and tonic,
I would recommend it. I wouldn't hesitate to try it again on any of my
animals that had cancer.
 
  “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that
are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts
upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to
me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
Twain
 
  Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 17:42:29 -0500
  From: g...@optonline.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey
 
 
 
  Would anyone with a cat or dog that has had cancer removed be
interested in a black salve that would get to the rest of the tentacles
that the vet may not have been able to remove? It’s not expensive, but you
would have to join a group where you would get advice from people who have
used it and lots of moral support, too. It is for people and
animals…there’s also an herbal tonic for cancer, you get the herbs, brew up
the tonic, etc. REALLY WORKS! In cases after surgery, the salve would be
able to reach the interior through the incisions.Natalie From:
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
  Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:50 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey Cindy - So sorry to hear about Smokey.
I have a friend who had this with her dog. She had the 1st tumor removed,
but it kept spreading. She just kept him going as long as he was still
happy  not suffering.Give him lots of love. He has done remarkable living
this long with this awful virus. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!
www.Furkids.org From: cindy reasoner reasoner37...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 4:11 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Smokey
  It has been a very long time since I have posted anything. I first
found this site when my Smokey tested positive for feline leukemia. He had
a hard time at the beginning with fevers but we finally got that under
control. He has gone over 6 years with no problems or sickness. The other
day I felt a very large knot on his left front leg. I took him to the vet
to get it checked out. He thought it was probably cancer. He removed it
today but he couldn't get all of it. He described it as having tenticles
going in all different directions. He is sending it off to be sure it is
cancer and what type. I have never dealt with this before and Smokey's
outlook seems pretty grave. Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Cindy
 
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