Re: [Felvtalk] not receiving e-mails

2018-02-21 Thread Kelley S
I only get messages when there have been 2.  I never ever get initial
messages.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 5:28 PM, Lorrie  wrote:

> Hi Sandy, I noticed the total lack of messages.. Hopefully this
> means none of us are having any problems with our cats at this time.
>
> Lorrie
>
> On 02-21, Sandy wrote:
> > Looks like I have not received any e-mail contact since November 2017.
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Unsubscribe me please

2018-02-21 Thread Kelley S
There's a link at the bottom of every message telling you how to
unsubscribe.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 3:31 PM,  wrote:

> Please unsubscribe me.  Thank you.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone There....

2017-10-16 Thread Kelley S
I never get initial emails, but get subsequent ones.

On Monday, October 16, 2017, ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:

> No mail has appeared in my mailbox from this group for quite  long while
> so I thought I would inquire as to whether _ I _ am just missing mail that
> HAS been going to others or if the group has simply not been active for a
> couple of months. Generally it has been my experience that once I write
> one of these notes I start to get mail once again... NO idea why
> I thought of all of you recently when it was time to put my Hospice Cat (
> Gilbert) down Third cat I have lost in a year   I'm 0 for 3 at this
> point and am thinking it might be time to take on a more healthy animal but
> I keep harkening back to amani's words... If not us... who??   Certainly
> not the people who don't much care about cats...nor the vast majority of
> people who HAVE cats.  There are SO many deserving animals out there
> that have problems that place them low on the adoption list  they ALL
> deserve to have a home and someone to see them as special  Gilbert was
> not adoptable with his brain injury...though ALL of the volunteers thought
> him special...still... no one came forward when he developed cancer though
> they all truly DID care that he was going to die  He had a good life
> for his last few months... sitting on the porch...looking out the
> window and more petting and love than even HE wanted.  As is usually
> the case it was probably harder on me than him when it came time He
> stopped eating, it was painful for him to get his oral meds and even subq
> pain killers did little... He was constipated and just hid out all day...
> The Tumor was forcing his one eye to protrude and the other to recede... it
> would have been cruel to ask him to endure more. A beautiful sweet
> animal I miss him terribly...
> Curious to see if I find the list active with this submission.
>
>
> Bob...
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Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant

2017-06-19 Thread Kelley S
No.   A cat vaccinated for FIV can test pos.   Not FELV.

On Sunday, June 18, 2017, Sandy  wrote:

> Pam Doore Ask Amani (on this felvtalk)  about Zander's Protocol - consists
> of doxycycline, Prednisolone and most important is Winstrol.  IMPORTANT to
> get your kitty on this ASAP.
> It is my understanding that a cat given the vaccine and then booster may
> test positive for FeLV - a bummer.
>
> Sandy W
>
> --
> *From: *"Pam Doore"  >
> *To: *felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> 
> *Sent: *Sunday, June 18, 2017 8:17:21 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Felvtalk] Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant
>
> Hi Marilyn,  I have been using lysine gel to help my Mozart who has herpes
> virus on top of the FeLu.
> There was a powdered supplement that a FeLu rescue outside of Boston gives
> to all of their cats to help build up immune system. I don't remember what
> the name of that was.  It was originally given to humans with HIV.
>
> What kind of infection is Destiny fighting?
>
>
> ~~@~@~@~@~@
>
> *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me,
> Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — **St. Patrick*
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Marilyn Knapp Litt <
> mari...@marilynlitt.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Has anyone used these for FeLV?
>>
>>
>>
>> My kitty, Destiny,  is battling a bad infection.  We were shocked to find
>> she had FeLV.  She had had the shot and a booster.  The vet was treating
>> her and the infection was getting worse and then we found out the terrible
>> truth.  I am feeding her food with a syringe and keeping her comfortable.
>> She is on an antibiotic.  I am giving her Essiac tea.  No idea if it is
>> effective.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am going to get DMG because friends have suggested that for FeLV.
>>
>>
>>
>> I also am looking at Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant, but find
>> info on using them with cancer, not FeLV.  Anyone have a suggestion about
>> boosting her immune system and fighting this infection?  We thought we were
>> going to lose her this week, but she is slightly better the last 24 hours.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~Marilyn Knapp Litt
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Re: [Felvtalk] Is Anyone Out There?

2017-04-03 Thread Kelley S
I never ever see first posts.  Only replies.

On Monday, April 3, 2017, Maira Favela  wrote:

> Robert, my heart goes out for you and your little companion. Dont stop
> fighting till the very end. May God be with both of you, and much prayer.
>
> On Apr 3, 2017 2:22 PM, "Amani Oakley"  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> One of our group list is trying to get on the list and says he hasn’t
>> heard from anyone in a while, and his posts are not being posted. He has
>> tried to reach the moderator with no success. Anyone know what is going on?
>>
>> Amani
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[Felvtalk] RIP little girl Coco

2016-10-27 Thread Kelley S
Lost my little Coco last night.  It was sudden - she was playing and
running around before I went to sleep and when I woke up she was gone.
Probably better for her that way as she didn't have to suffer through a
long protracted illness.  Sure does hurt though.

Kelley
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Re: [Felvtalk] No Mail

2016-09-14 Thread Kelley S
I never get any initial posts.  If there are replies, I get them.
I posted about Toodles anemia and her fundraiser, but she's not FELV+.


On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 7:11 PM, kat  wrote:

> It does seem quiet.  There have been only a few posts lately.
> You can always log in to your account and re-save your current set-up.
> It should also tell you if your account has been disabled.
> I get the same thing periodically, and I'm not sure why either.
>
> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 7:17 PM
> *From:* Lorrie 
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] No Mail
> I've not had any mail from the group in about a month.
> I hope this means you and your kitties are all doing well.
> However I wonder if I've been dumped by the automatic system
> that claims I have bounced mail, which I do NOT.
>
> Lorrie
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[Felvtalk] Catio plans

2016-09-05 Thread Kelley S
We also have catio plans, if anyone is interested.  The plans are 100%
free, but we are asking if you find them useful to make a donation in any
amount.

To make this on-topic - little Coco was retested and is still pos, but
she's doing very well other than the occasional URI and diarrhea.  The vet
is amazed and says she has outlived her life expectancy.  I hope to keep
her with me for many years to come.

Kelley and Angel Merlin.
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[Felvtalk] Request for help

2016-09-05 Thread Kelley S
Hi Guys,

First, please forgive the blank email I sent.  I would like to request to
post a fundraiser here.  I know none of us have money, but I'm hoping if
this fundraiser gets shared it will get to some folks with money.  My
Toodles is in the hospital and has been since Thurday.  I'm anticipating
the bill will be $750 if not more, and that is more than half my SSDI
check.  When I was able to work this was not as much of a problem, but now
it is.

I won't post it if yall say not to!  So just let me know.

Thanks,

Kelley
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[Felvtalk] Hello folks

2016-09-05 Thread Kelley S
Would anyone mind if I posted a fundraiser here?  Yall have been so good in
the past about sharing them.  I'm not asking for money, as I know we are
all very short, but to share among as many people as you can.  I'm on SSDI,
and one of my babies has been in the hospital since Thursday, and the bill
is already half my check for next month.  I try not to ask too often and
make it work, but this is not workable.

Love yall,

Kelley
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[Felvtalk] (no subject)

2016-09-05 Thread Kelley S

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Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question

2016-08-30 Thread Kelley S
Timmy's Dirty Flea Soap is the best.  http://www.dirtyflea.com/

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 6:39 PM, Sandy  wrote:

> Use Deamateous Earth _ FOOD GRADE  - think the spelling may be off - I
> believe it's available from Home Depot or order online
> Sandy W
>
> --
> *From: *"Margo" 
> *To: *"Karen Harshbarger" ,
> felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 5:33:53 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question
>
>
>
> I'm having flea issues, as well. Mako went to a specialist (for non-FeLV
> related problems) and they recommended Comfortis. I had to order from
> Valley Vet, and gave it to him 8/26. So far so good. It seems to have done
> the job, but I also use flea traps, and treated the other cats as well. For
> most of the year, I was okay using (generic) Capstar and flea traps.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Karen Harshbarger
> Sent: Aug 30, 2016 3:23 PM
> To: Felvtalk
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Urgent help with flea treatment question
>
>   As most of you know, we lost our Cole to feline leukemia and liver
> complications this month.  I don't have time to morn my dear sweet Cole as
> I am struggling to save his brother Ash.  Ash tested positive again this
> month (4 years ago tested positive once and then negative twice).  However
> his blood work shows everything in the normal range and he is eating and
> playing and going to the bathroom and seems healthy, so the vet has
> recommended no treatment or preventatives at this time.  They only suggest
> another blood work check in one to 4 months and flea treatment.
>
> Ash and  his brother have fleas.  I know I must treat but that seems like
> when Cole started going downhillwhen I treated for fleas with Frontline
> twice.
> Frontline did nothing for the fleas, even though I threw away all beds and
> blankets and cleaned their living quarters.  I fear that the fleas or
> treatment or both did something to Cole to take his life.  But I know I
> have to treat fleas too.  I have tried combing everyday, but that does not
> work either.
>
> Has anyone used Vectra flea treatment for cats.  It has worked well for me
> for other cats, but I fear that it might be too strong for our Ash with the
> feline leukemia.  As I said I used Frontline originally cause I was told it
> was safer because it could be used on young kittens even.  Ash is 4 1/2
> years old and I know I have to do something about the fleas.  Please let me
> know if you have used Vectra flea treatment.  Or if you use something else
> successfully or don't use flea treatment at all with feline leukemia.  Ash
> never goes outside, so I don't know where they got the fleas unless at vet
> or we brought the fleas in from outside on shoes, etc.
>
> Please Helpthis is urgent as I feel I must do something to get rid of
> fleas that already seem out of hand since 2 treatments of Frontline did not
> work, and I am so worried about anything with Ash with his positive on the
> feline leukemia test at the vet and after loosing Cole.  My heart just cant
> loose another of my fur babies.  Please Help!!!
>
> Thank you, Karen and kitties Ash and BJ and angle Cole
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question

2016-08-29 Thread Kelley S
I personally do not do lysine AT ALL.  It was only ever really recommended
for herpes, there's recent evidence it doesn't even work for that, and it
reduces something else they need (can't remember right now).
http://www.petmd.com/blogs/thedailyvet/ken-tudor/2014/august/feline-herpes-virus-bad-news-popular-treatment-31971

What I totally recommend, and so does my holistic vet:  Raw or partially
cooked diet.  Standard Process Immune System Support.  I've seen standard
process clear up some nasty stuff.

Kelley and Coco.

On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 7:15 PM, Marlene Snowman 
wrote:

> Hi - I've been reading posts for a bit and decided I needed some advice
> too. I have a FelV kitten who is 1 year old. I've had her since she was
> just a little more than a month old. She tested positive twice and the vet
> has yet been able to physically examine her or get a blood test since. She
> isn't feral but her dislike of the vet and people is probably her strength
> and fight to stay alive. I feed her really good kitten food and mixed with
> astragalus and ligustrum twice daily and l-lysine. She's also been on
> antibiotics for a nose and eye infection, not to mention the fleas, ear
> mites, tongue ulcers and lacerations on her legs when I first rescued her
> but she hasn't been on antibiotics for 4 months at least. (So antibiotics
> for most of her life). She's gone from a pound to 7.2 lbs. So I've seen a
> great improvement. The nose infection has never cleared, so boogers are a
> constant, although more a yellow to clear than the original greenish mucous.
>
> I recognize that I need to get her in for a complete blood work. She eats
> well, drinks a lot and other than the boogers, seems healthy.
>
> Would you suggest anything now other than the blood work for my girl Bear ?
>
> Thanks
> Marlene
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Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma

2016-06-15 Thread Kelley S
I've not had to deal with a great deal of stomatitis, but I've heard good
things about cold laser therapy following full mouth extraction.  Here's a
url that is interesting (but about FIV cats, not FELV ones).
http://www.fivtherapy.com/gingivostomatitis3.htm?ckattempt=1

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 9:33 PM, Rachel Dagner  wrote:

> I hate felv with all of my heart and soul. I wish it was it was something
> we could all stomp on and strangle and beat the living daylights out of. I
> did laundry tonight and washed the towel from Tucks carrier and vacuumed
> the porch rug that had one of his claw sheds on it. I still miss him so
> much. I love Josie but it's still hard to get over how unfair it is to lose
> our babies to some stupid little micro organism virus that needs to be
> wiped from the face of the earth. I pray everyday that someone finds a way
> to kill this virus so no animal or human ever has to suffer from it again.
> I long for the day when our little group is defunct because it is no longer
> needed. Sorry for throwing this rant in, emotional day at the Dagner
> household, I just want so badly for everyone's babies to be able to survive
> and for their humans to not have to go through this.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 15, 2016, at 9:34 PM,  <
> swacht1...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I guess you all have been lucky – or your kitty cats have been lucky –
> stomatitis can be horrible – yes bad breath but lesions in the mouth –
> infection – not to be taken lightly – especially with an FeLV kitty.
> Speaking from experience – dealing with it now.
>
> I do agree 2nd opinions are important.
> Sandy W
>
> *From:* Amani Oakley 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 15, 2016 7:29 PM
> *To:* Amy  ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma
>
>
> Hi Ashley
>
>
>
> I echo what Amy has said. Stomatitis usually presents as some reddening of
> the gum, usually along the teeth line. It doesn’t usually cause too much of
> a problem for the cats, but you might notice bad breath, for example.
> Sometimes it might result in the need to extract a tooth, but not too often
> and not usually until it has a been around a while. Antibiotics and
> steroids will usually help – especially prednisone. I get it from my vets
> now in a transdermal cream, with is great because you just rub it on the
> inside of a cat’s ears and you don’t need to crank open their mouths. This
> is especially important if their gums are sore or they have an infected
> tooth or more. It hurts more to open the mouth, quite obviously. I have one
> cat who has stomatitis and an infected tooth. I find that when I give her
> the transdermal prednisone, the pain in her mouth/gums is reduced and she
> will be able to eat normally again.
>
>
>
> However, as Amy has said, I don’t think it is too common to get stomatitis
> at a level when it is really problematic.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *Amy
> *Sent:* June-14-16 10:04 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Twigs- Felv and asthma
>
>
>
> Hi Ashley,
>
>
>
> I can only comment on the stomatitis. Haven't dealt with asthma. I've had
> numerous leuk positives and have never had to deal with major mouth issues.
> I've had some with red gums that need a dose of antibiotics and or pred but
> they always respond well. I volunteer for a rescue, though, and we see so
> much stomatitis. There are so many treatment options and in my experience
> no two vets agree. Many of our cats have had 2nd opinions and they totally
> differ. Some vets test for Bartonella, some think it is a waste. Some do
> antibiotics and or steroids. Some recommend laser treatment. Some suggest
> full extraction. I can tell you that we have not had to do full extractions
> on any cats since I've been with the rescue. We always try other methods
> and they seem to respond well. That said, if a cat is really painful and
> not responding to treatment, I have heard it is more humane to extract so
> they are not in pain. If we had a cat that was an extreme case, we wouldn't
> be opposed to extractions. If I was going to do that, I think I'd want a
> 2nd opinion to make sure that it is really necessary as I've seen vets that
> jump to that too quickly.
>
>
>
> As far as keeping them healthy, just love them, try to minimize stress,
> watch their health and treat anything that comes up as needed. I'm sure
> supplements and other things help too but I just love mine and do
> everything I can to keep them healthy. Nobody knows how long you will have.
> I've had some that live months and I have one that has been with me 12
> years. Just enjoy Twigs for whatever time you have.  I hope you have many
> happy years together.
>
>
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> Amy
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] feline leuk

2016-06-13 Thread Kelley S
Many times a "slight positive" is a test that isn't correctly read.  I
can't say it is all the time.  I had a kitty who tested "slight positive"
who came up negative on retest.  No way would I separate the babies, if she
is positive and they are going to be infected they're likely already
infected.  Just my opinion.

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Roxanne Smith 
wrote:

> Hi all, I am in a rescue group, and one of our mommas came back as
> "slightly" positive per the vet, I must say that confuses me as the test
> was a combo test... Thoughts???
> In addition, she has two three week old babies, opinions on whether or not
> they should be separated???
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2016-06-09 Thread Kelley S
Yes, but anemia is a condition  It isn't necessarily caused by FELV.  I've
had cats with anemia who didn't have FELV, and if her kitty had FELV the
bloodwork would not have come back right, unless her kitty wasn't tested
for anemia, but anemia is one of the things all my vets have always checked
on with bloodwork.   I guess anemia isn't an infection, and neither is
cancer, so I completely misstated that, but I still believe cats don't die
OF FELV, they die of something else.  As for the other kitty being pos, I
just remembered that even cats who have tested pos and been housed with
other pos cats can turn neg, it happens every once in a while.  So
definitely not good to assume the other kitty is pos.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
wrote:

> Kelley
>
>
>
> I don’t think that is necessarily accurate. When FeLV acts to shut down
> the bone marrow, the cats usually die from severe anemia and/or internal
> bleeding (very low platelets) etc. While I agree that the depression of
> white cell production may allow for the introduction of opportunistic
> infections, I don’t think that is necessarily the cause of death. With my
> Zander, he wasn’t suffering from anything other than a profound lack of red
> cells that meant that (a) his blood couldn’t circulate oxygen properly; (b)
> he felt horrible and wouldn’t eat; (c) he was extremely fatigued by the
> profound anemia.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Kelley S
> *Sent:* June-09-16 5:01 PM
> *To:* felvtalk
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
>
>
>
> I'd look into a different vet, for starters.  Cats don't die of FELV, they
> die of opportunistic infections due to compromised immune systems.  If the
> blood tests were good, what specifically was being treated?  Chances are
> very good Dolce does NOT have FELV.  Many people here mix positive and
> negative, as do I with my vet's approval, although my negative cats are
> vaccinated against FELV.  I think it is just nutty to say not to even test
> him.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Mary Muzyka <mary.muz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very
> informative.  I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline
> leukemia.  She was gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and
> healthy girl to barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first
> noticed that she wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that
> matter.  I took her to the vet and they did blood work and called me within
> an hour of leaving their office telling me she tested positive.  They then
> sent her blood out for other various tests and the results were all good
> for her not having any other problems.  Each day she got a little less
> active and then stopped eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed
> and give her water for a couple days and then took her back to the vet.
> She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she began eating
> and drinking immediately.  They also gave me a couple pills to give her
> to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once.  She was shutting down
> and looked so sad.  The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told
> me it was time to put her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the
> streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV &
> leukemia and she was negative.  She has been living with my four year old
> boy, Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet
> tells me there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect
> health right now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him
> because she is certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from
> the posts here, there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to
> run and play together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add
> that since I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been
> reading, no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think
> she had something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience
> over the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.
>
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2016-06-09 Thread Kelley S
I think it is pretty odd to have good bloodwork if they have lymphoma.  I
had a kitty with lymphoma and he had non regenerative anemia and some other
abnormalities but you are right, it isn't necessarily something that would
show up on bloodwork.  The statement that she is 99% sure the other kitty
has it and not to even test is still way out of whack in my opinion.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com> wrote:

> Tucker’s blood work showed nothing and he had cancer. So if it was
> Lymphoma that might not have shown anything out of the ordinary on the
> blood work.
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Kelley S
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 5:01 PM
> *To:* felvtalk
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
>
>
>
> I'd look into a different vet, for starters.  Cats don't die of FELV, they
> die of opportunistic infections due to compromised immune systems.  If the
> blood tests were good, what specifically was being treated?  Chances are
> very good Dolce does NOT have FELV.  Many people here mix positive and
> negative, as do I with my vet's approval, although my negative cats are
> vaccinated against FELV.  I think it is just nutty to say not to even test
> him.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Mary Muzyka <mary.muz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very
> informative.  I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline
> leukemia.  She was gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and
> healthy girl to barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first
> noticed that she wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that
> matter.  I took her to the vet and they did blood work and called me within
> an hour of leaving their office telling me she tested positive.  They then
> sent her blood out for other various tests and the results were all good
> for her not having any other problems.  Each day she got a little less
> active and then stopped eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed
> and give her water for a couple days and then took her back to the vet.
> She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she began eating
> and drinking immediately.  They also gave me a couple pills to give her
> to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once.  She was shutting down
> and looked so sad.  The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told
> me it was time to put her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the
> streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV &
> leukemia and she was negative.  She has been living with my four year old
> boy, Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet
> tells me there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect
> health right now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him
> because she is certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from
> the posts here, there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to
> run and play together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add
> that since I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been
> reading, no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think
> she had something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience
> over the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.
>
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2016-06-09 Thread Kelley S
I'd look into a different vet, for starters.  Cats don't die of FELV, they
die of opportunistic infections due to compromised immune systems.  If the
blood tests were good, what specifically was being treated?  Chances are
very good Dolce does NOT have FELV.  Many people here mix positive and
negative, as do I with my vet's approval, although my negative cats are
vaccinated against FELV.  I think it is just nutty to say not to even test
him.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Mary Muzyka  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very
> informative.  I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline
> leukemia.  She was gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and
> healthy girl to barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first
> noticed that she wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that
> matter.  I took her to the vet and they did blood work and called me within
> an hour of leaving their office telling me she tested positive.  They then
> sent her blood out for other various tests and the results were all good
> for her not having any other problems.  Each day she got a little less
> active and then stopped eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed
> and give her water for a couple days and then took her back to the vet.
> She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she began eating
> and drinking immediately.  They also gave me a couple pills to give her
> to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once.  She was shutting down
> and looked so sad.  The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told
> me it was time to put her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the
> streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV &
> leukemia and she was negative.  She has been living with my four year old
> boy, Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet
> tells me there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect
> health right now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him
> because she is certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from
> the posts here, there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to
> run and play together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add
> that since I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been
> reading, no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think
> she had something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience
> over the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.
>
> Mary Muzyka
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Can we help this woman.....

2016-06-01 Thread Kelley S
The south is MUCH different from New York State.  It is much cheaper to
live here and there are correspondingly fewer services.  I could never
dream of having a lot of stuff they have in NYS.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 7:12 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:

>
>
>
> Having a hard time ( as usual) getting this all straight in the digest
> formie... where this woman and her cats actually stand at the
> momentbut...
>
> I would suggest, as a possibility,  ( and I can only remember 2 instances
> when I have made this suggestion) that she have herself admitted to the
> local hospital and tell them she has NO where to go upon
> dischargethough should not admit this up front. The last 11 yrs of
> my life I worked as a Hospital ER and Inpatient Social Worker  and
> Hospitals ( at least in NYS) are not allowed to discharge patients who are
> homeless and in need of medical services post discharge  This will put
> a discharge planner on the case who will assist with finding a place for
> her to live.  Admittedly...   it will not be the perfect arrangement
> but might buy her some time and will definitely be better than
> nothing. I could say with assurance if she lived in NYS that this
> would BE a good answer SC could well be different If I could
> speak with her directly I would know better if this could be an answer for
> her  ( are her animals all still with her at this point??)
> I have time I could devote to this but precious little extra money my
> own cats are eating up my expendable income
>
> I cannot tell you how many times I was severely scammed by people doing
> this simply TO get housing. bout time the secret was out for someone
> who deserves the assistance ( legitimate decent people seldom DO this
> intentionally)  Just a suggestion I'm also wondering if she
> has home health services??  Health Insurance??  Likely has state Medicaid
> given her situation and the Section 8 approval.   She NEEDS state
> Social Services involved
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] The Brock Star has left the building

2016-04-29 Thread Kelley S
I'm so very sorry for your loss.

On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 8:01 PM, Sandy  wrote:

> Marsha I'm so sorry [image: Frown]
> Sandy W
>
> --
> *From: *"Katherine K." 
> *To: *felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent: *Friday, April 29, 2016 7:35:14 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Felvtalk] The Brock Star has left the building
>
>
> I'm so sorry, Marsha. Thanks for sharing his story. It is so unfair that
> they don't have more time in this world but he had a wonderful life thanks
> to you.
>
> I lost Jazz a few weeks ago and I've found bittersweet comfort in
> remembering his silly, happy personality. I hope Brock visits you soon, but
> you should know he's always close by.
>
> Katherine
> On Apr 29, 2016 6:39 PM, "Amani Oakley"  wrote:
>
>> Oh Marsha. I am so incredibly saddened by your loss.
>>
>> They are source of our greatest happiness and our deepest pain and
>> despair.
>>
>> Amani
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>> Marsha
>> Sent: April-29-16 6:30 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] The Brock Star has left the building
>>
>> Brock left this earthly plane this afternoon.  This morning he didn't get
>> out of the lounge chair to greet me, refused his heart pills again, and his
>> third eyelids were showing.  He did eat all the food I brought him though -
>> he licked off the spoon as I held it up in front of him on the lounge
>> chair.  We did half, then the other half later.  I visited with him a lot.
>> He spent most of his time in his lounge chair on his fleece blanket, but
>> once he got down and took a short stroll through his domain.  Usually I am
>> in the lounge chair, with Brock on my lap.  Such a tired boy; his bone
>> marrow was no longer working as it should - low RBC, WBC, and platelets,
>> and not making new.  He had Feline Leukemia Virus, survived a year with
>> Restrictive Cardiomyopathy & CHF, and just recently developed lymphoma.  So
>> not fair to such a sweet and handsome boy.
>>
>> He received a sedative first and we spent a half hour or 45 minutes
>> together.  His paw rested on my hand.  As he relaxed, he ever so lightly
>> made biscuits on my hand.  He even did his elevator butt routine, but
>> laying down instead of standing up.
>>
>> He was only with me a year and a half, but he had so much love to give
>> out during that time, that there is now another permanent scar on my
>> heart.  Along with too many others that are still somewhat fresh.
>>
>> Dearest Brock, visit me soon in my dreams.  I left the patio lights on
>> for your spirit to find the way back to Fort Shappell.
>>
>> Marsha
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Re: [Felvtalk] Coco sneezing blood

2016-01-22 Thread Kelley S
She's been to the vet twice in the past week:)
Kelley
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>
> Think horses, not zebras.
>
>  It is far more likely that with the other symptoms, it is a respiratory
> infection of some sort. She has seen a Vet.
>
> Could it be something more threatening? Yes. But it seems both Kelley and
> the Vet are watching, and I'd bet changes will be noticed and addressed.
>
> Margo
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Amani Oakley
> Sent: Jan 22, 2016 11:45 AM
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco sneezing blood
>
> I had this in one cat – turned out to be a nasal sarcoma. Have it checked
> out.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Kelley S
> *Sent:* January-22-16 1:29 AM
> *To:* felvtalk
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Coco sneezing blood
>
>
>
> Hey folks
>
>
>
> Coco went through a bad time last year where she would not eat, dropped a
> lot of weight.  We got her started eating again and she has gained 1/2
> pound - from 6.0 to 6.5 (she is a small cat, but I'd rather see her at 7).
>
>
>
> Anyway, she is now sneezing blood.  I took her in to the vet Saturday and
> he tried one antibiotic, took her back on Wed and he gave her another
> antibiotic, which I am probably going to have to go rebuy tomorrow as I've
> managed to lose the bottle.
>
>
>
> Anyway - she is now sneezing blood and has a very little bit of dried
> matter in the corners of her eyes.  She is eating, drinking, pottying,
> playing fine.  But she is still sneezing blood - sometimes a fine spray and
> sometimes hunks of bloody mucus which is very unnerving.
>
>
>
> Has anyone had to deal with this?
>
>
>
> Kelley and Coco
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Coco sneezing blood

2016-01-22 Thread Kelley S
Both nostrils.  Looks like the snot may be yellow underneath, but hard to
tell when bloody.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 7:43 AM, Marsha <mar...@lynxe.com> wrote:

> One nostril or both?  Color of mucus (besides the blood)?
>
> Marsha
>
>
> On 1/22/2016 12:28 AM, Kelley S wrote:
>
>> Hey folks
>>
>> Coco went through a bad time last year where she would not eat, dropped a
>> lot of weight.  We got her started eating again and she has gained 1/2
>> pound - from 6.0 to 6.5 (she is a small cat, but I'd rather see her at 7).
>>
>> Anyway, she is now sneezing blood.  I took her in to the vet Saturday and
>> he tried one antibiotic, took her back on Wed and he gave her another
>> antibiotic, which I am probably going to have to go rebuy tomorrow as I've
>> managed to lose the bottle.
>>
>> Anyway - she is now sneezing blood and has a very little bit of dried
>> matter in the corners of her eyes.  She is eating, drinking, pottying,
>> playing fine.  But she is still sneezing blood - sometimes a fine spray and
>> sometimes hunks of bloody mucus which is very unnerving.
>>
>> Has anyone had to deal with this?
>>
>> Kelley and Coco
>>
>>
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[Felvtalk] Coco sneezing blood

2016-01-21 Thread Kelley S
Hey folks

Coco went through a bad time last year where she would not eat, dropped a
lot of weight.  We got her started eating again and she has gained 1/2
pound - from 6.0 to 6.5 (she is a small cat, but I'd rather see her at 7).

Anyway, she is now sneezing blood.  I took her in to the vet Saturday and
he tried one antibiotic, took her back on Wed and he gave her another
antibiotic, which I am probably going to have to go rebuy tomorrow as I've
managed to lose the bottle.

Anyway - she is now sneezing blood and has a very little bit of dried
matter in the corners of her eyes.  She is eating, drinking, pottying,
playing fine.  But she is still sneezing blood - sometimes a fine spray and
sometimes hunks of bloody mucus which is very unnerving.

Has anyone had to deal with this?

Kelley and Coco
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Re: [Felvtalk] cat fountains

2016-01-12 Thread Kelley S
My friend does something similar but she feeds them all in separate
crates.  They know their crates and will jump in at meal time.  I could
never give my cats canned food in separate bowls like that - they love
canned food so much they just go crazy and some would definitely be left
out.  I also have one who does not like canned food - she does like plain
human canned chicken but I can't give her that as a main diet.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 11:44 AM, Lorrie  wrote:

>
> I have three fountains and the cats do drink lots more water this
> way, however the fountains have to be maintainenced, often and it's
> kind of a nuisance to clean them and change the filters etc.
>
> .
> Dry food really isn't good for cats and can cause cystitis or UTIs.
> It's very convenient for us, but not the best thing to feed cats. I
> don't leave food down (free feed) because I have one cat who has
> urinary problems. I give my 14 cats canned food in 14 bowls every day
> LOL, and I put water on their dry food when they get that. They don't
> seem to mind, and they drink up the water then eat their portion of
> dry food.  This way I am sure they get enough water. I have to watch
> them tho, as three of them are pigs and they try to steal each others
> food. I couldn't do this if I was still working, but I'm home all day
> now and I can portion out the food according to the weight of each
> cat.
>
> Lorrie
>
> On 01-11, Ardy Robertson wrote:
> > That's what I heard - that moist food is like 70% water. I worry about
> his
> > bladder/kidney because it is fish-based and that is all he will eat. (His
> > dry food is chicken now)
> >
> > I thought maybe some extra water would help with any bladder issues later
> > on. He seems to smack his lips a bit now, like he is dry. He does like to
> > catch water from the faucets if I leave a really small stream so I think
> he
> > would enjoy a fountain maybe just for fun :)
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

2016-01-08 Thread Kelley S
For homemade food, the best I know of is Dr Piersen's.  She has an
extensive page on what cats should eat.  http://www.catinfo.org

On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Margo  wrote:

> Remember that baby food is NOT a "complete and balanced" diet.
>
> The only time I have ever had a cat voluntarily eat something I so
> lovingly prepared, was when I had a cat with IBD who could only tolerate
> raw. And I'm a GOOD cook 
>
> I have hesitated to respond to this, because my practice is often frowned
> upon. I like to feed canned foods with no grain, no carbs and (gasp)
> by-products are allowed. I avoid fish for most of them, but only because I
> do think it may be a trigger for stone-formers. Of course, my two blockers
> are also my two FeLV+'s. So most of the time, I don't offer fish based
> foods.
>
> I also tried many of the gourmet, grain free, special, amazing (ly
> expensive) options that Chewy had to offer. I have now decided that feeding
> Fancy Feast Classic pates (they're currently eating beef or chicken) and/or
> Sheba pates (same flavors) is fine. Some would eat one kind, some another,
> but hundreds of $ worth of the "Good Stuff" went to the ferals and
> raccoons. I don't feed dry (the stone forming thing again) often. If you
> have only a few cats, I had pretty good luck with Hound and Gatos and Wild
> Calling carb free varieties.
>
> Good Luck :)
>
> Margo
>
>
> -Original Message--
> ---
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> Sent: Jan 8, 2016 10:55 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to
> share?
>
> If you use Gerbers, make sure you use stage 2 only.  the small 2.5 oz jars
> because they are strictly meat and water with a tad of cornstarch in it.
> No onions or garlic in these.  The ones you want are Ham (no salt added),
> Chicken, Turkey or Beef with gravy.
>
> Nancy & the gang
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: dlgegg 
> To: felvtalk 
> Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 5:00 pm
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to
> share?
>
> I have used baby food, just make sue that it does not have any garlic or
> onioin, Gerbers is pretty good.
> I have also boiled chicken for my soup and held out some before I put in
> garlic and onion.
>
>  Ardy Robertson  wrote:
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > My FeLV+ cat Tigger is doing very well at the moment, however, he did
> have a
> > swollen lymph node, and even though he is past the initial period of
> > illness, he is still positive. He does seem to be cold quite often even
> > though we have the thermostat turned way up for him, and he also seems to
> > sleep a lot more than he ever did before so I am now giving him a liquid
> > vitamin/mineral supplement with iron in it.
> >
> >
> >
> > When he was very sick and not eating/drinking, the vet told me to feed
> him
> > anything he wants. What he chose was Friskies salmon pate canned food.
> Now
> > that he eats better, he has really cut down on eating the Blue Buffalo
> dry
> > food. In my reading I have heard that it is not good for him to have any
> > "fish-based" food. I have seen this mentioned in several articles. I
> think
> > it has something to do with bacteria but I'm not sure.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am wondering if any of you make your own cat food. I once had to boil
> > chicken and rice together for a cat who was sick, and as I remember she
> > didn't like it much. So - I am looking for a way to make something out of
> > "people quality" meat and maybe put a little rice in it, but I am
> thinking
> > it will have to have a "pate" consistency and be fairly flavorful. This
> > kitty doesn't seem to think he should eat any people food, whereas my
> other
> > one believes she should only eat people food.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any ideas would be appreciated - I will go to whatever lengths needed to
> > make a good food for him. (I have tried the fresh cat food at Pet Food
> Plus
> > and he won't touch it. I have also tried all the other canned stuff, even
> > the super expensive kinds.)
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks!!
> >
> > Ardy Robertson
> >
> > Osseo, WI
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lymphoma

2015-12-24 Thread Kelley S
Hi Lance,

Thanks for reminding me about Yahoo groups.  Most of the ones I was on are
defunct since the advent of Facebook but it looks like this one is still
busy.  I have joined it and am seeing what I can find out.

Thanks!
Kelley

On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> Hi Kelley,
>
> I’m sorry to hear that Simon is ill. If you’re not already a member, I
> highly recommend that you join the feline lymphoma list on Yahoo:
>
> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/feline_lymphoma
>
> Best hopes for Simon.
>
> Lance
>
> On Dec 20, 2015, at 8:27 PM, Kelley S <moonv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Hope you will not mind me asking about a negative kitty, since yall know a
> ton about lymphoma and I don't.
>
> Simon is sick.  He had his senior bloodwork and it came back with elevated
> white blood cell counts and non regenerative anemia, so my vet did
> additional tests  PCR for hemobart and combo test, both came back
> negative   He's also lost a lot of weight.  I'm trying to feed him A/D to
> see if I can get a little weight back on him.
>
> So the next step apparently is a sonogram to look for cancer.  Vet
> suspects due to his age (10) and the blood profile lymphoma or mylenoma..
> Regular DVM doesn't know anything else to do at this point.
>
> What can yall tell me about your experiences with cats and cancer?  I've
> only had one with cancer and I had her euthanized due to the vet's advice -
> it was cancer of the mouth and he said the tumor was in a bad place and
> there was no treatment.
>
> Also, I hope yall don't mind me sharing a fundraiser when I get one made.
> I don't have enough money to cover specialists.  He's a sweet boy, I call
> him my shadow.  He's lying beside me now..
>
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[Felvtalk] Lymphoma

2015-12-20 Thread Kelley S
Hi folks,

Hope you will not mind me asking about a negative kitty, since yall know a
ton about lymphoma and I don't.

Simon is sick.  He had his senior bloodwork and it came back with elevated
white blood cell counts and non regenerative anemia, so my vet did
additional tests  PCR for hemobart and combo test, both came back
negative   He's also lost a lot of weight.  I'm trying to feed him A/D to
see if I can get a little weight back on him.

So the next step apparently is a sonogram to look for cancer.  Vet suspects
due to his age (10) and the blood profile lymphoma or mylenoma..  Regular
DVM doesn't know anything else to do at this point.

What can yall tell me about your experiences with cats and cancer?  I've
only had one with cancer and I had her euthanized due to the vet's advice -
it was cancer of the mouth and he said the tumor was in a bad place and
there was no treatment.

Also, I hope yall don't mind me sharing a fundraiser when I get one made.
I don't have enough money to cover specialists.  He's a sweet boy, I call
him my shadow.  He's lying beside me now..

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Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes

2015-11-17 Thread Kelley S
I'm so sorry for your loss.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Jane Gannon 
wrote:

> Sorry about Merlot.  You did everything you could.
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* swacht1...@comcast.net
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 17, 2015 5:49 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>
> I’m so very sorry – life just isn’t the same
>
> *From:* Christine Dundas 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:20 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>
>
> Maya
> So sorry for your loss.  Prayers and thoughts are with you.  You were a
> wonderful caretaker, compassionate and caring.
>
> Christine
> On Nov 17, 2015 7:59 AM, "Maya D'Alessio"  wrote:
>
>> Merlot left us yesterday morning. Thank you to everyone for your support
>> over the month, it has been incredible.
>> On Nov 17, 2015 12:48 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> They sense our love and concern.  I often bring a sick furbaby on my bed
>>> and stay awake all night because I am afraid they will get worse and I will
>>> not know in time to do something for them.  People think I am nuts, but I
>>> cannot not be concerned.
>>>
>>>  Ardy Robertson  wrote:
>>> > I think when you really love your cat, you are inclined to observe
>>> every
>>> > little thing and try to understand how they are feeling based on their
>>> > actions/behavior. That gives you the insight into knowing what works
>>> and
>>> > what does not. They may have the book training, but nothing replaces
>>> loving
>>> > and observing.. and of course the love is returned. Our Tigger,
>>> when he
>>> > was at his sickest and we thought he would not make it through the
>>> night,
>>> > dragged himself into our bedroom during the night and could not get up
>>> on
>>> > the bed by any means, but laid on the floor on my hubby's side where
>>> he felt
>>> > safer being near his "mommy and daddy". (call me Cookoo)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> > Lorrie
>>> > Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 9:02 AM
>>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>>> >
>>> > You got that right! I can tell they hate it that I am so knowledable
>>> about
>>> > cats, as it shows them up. Experience is the greatest teacher.
>>> >
>>> > Lorrie
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 11-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Vets and doctors soon learn it is useless to argue with us.
>>> > > Sometimes our experience is better than their training.
>>> > >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bella

2015-10-28 Thread Kelley S
I'm so sorry for your loss.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:36 PM, Marsha  wrote:

> So sorry to hear about Bella.  Purrs and soft head bonks to you.
>
> Marsha
>
> On 10/28/2015 4:48 PM, simon95 wrote:
>
>
> My sweet little girl crossed over yesturday.she was 4 years old. So sad
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Feline vaccines was/: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

2015-10-26 Thread Kelley S
My response was in response to someone who seemed to be saying canine and
feline "parvo virus" are the same thing  Though I could have misunderstood.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2015 at 1:53 AM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
wrote:

> They are not the same virus, but I don’t understand your point in response
> to my post. The leukemia virus in cats can cause:
>
>
>
> Weight Loss
>
> Fever
>
> Imunodeficiency and infections (from, among other things, reduction in
> WBC’s)
>
> Anemia
>
> Immune-mediated disease
>
> Reproductive problems
>
> Gastrointestinal problems
>
> Neurologic disease
>
> Platelet disorders
>
> Lymphadenopathy (enlarged lymph nodes)
>
> Cancer
>
> Respiratory and eye infections
>
> Oral disease
>
>
>
> As can be seen from this list, all three cell lines can be affected by the
> virus.
>
>
>
> This list comes from an article from peteducation.com.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Kelley S
> *Sent:* October-26-15 1:21 AM
> *To:* felvtalk
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Feline vaccines was/: Stanozolol
> (Winstrol(R))
>
>
>
> My understanding of panleuk (distemper) and parvo are that they are 2
> different things, that dog parvo may have mutated from panleuk but they are
> not the same.but I am not a vet so...
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
> wrote:
>
> No – it’s primarily for red cell production. It is used for this in humans
> too, with severe cases of genetically-caused anemia. I found it worked on
> all three cell lines though, but it was the RBC’s/haematocrit (PCV) values
> that bounced back first. I think that because it has stimulating effects on
> the bone marrow, this is why it eventually perks up production of white
> cells and platelets as well.
>
>
>
> As I mentioned in my summary of what happened to Zander, we first noticed
> that Winstrol was having a positive effect because his gums started to pink
> up.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] *On Behalf Of *Maya D'Alessio
> *Sent:* October-24-15 7:36 AM
> *To:* Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Feline vaccines was/: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
>
>
>
> Question about the Winstrol - is it good for RBC too? or mostly just the
> WBC? Has anyone used it in concert with Epogen (Erythropoeitin)? Or used
> Epogen instead?
>
>
>
> I'm concerned about the paleness of Merlot's gums. He still has decent
> energy though.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Feline vaccines was/: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

2015-10-25 Thread Kelley S
My understanding of panleuk (distemper) and parvo are that they are 2
different things, that dog parvo may have mutated from panleuk but they are
not the same.but I am not a vet so...

On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Amani Oakley 
wrote:

> No – it’s primarily for red cell production. It is used for this in humans
> too, with severe cases of genetically-caused anemia. I found it worked on
> all three cell lines though, but it was the RBC’s/haematocrit (PCV) values
> that bounced back first. I think that because it has stimulating effects on
> the bone marrow, this is why it eventually perks up production of white
> cells and platelets as well.
>
>
>
> As I mentioned in my summary of what happened to Zander, we first noticed
> that Winstrol was having a positive effect because his gums started to pink
> up.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *Maya D'Alessio
> *Sent:* October-24-15 7:36 AM
> *To:* Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Feline vaccines was/: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
>
>
>
> Question about the Winstrol - is it good for RBC too? or mostly just the
> WBC? Has anyone used it in concert with Epogen (Erythropoeitin)? Or used
> Epogen instead?
>
>
>
> I'm concerned about the paleness of Merlot's gums. He still has decent
> energy though.
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update

2015-10-24 Thread Kelley S
t;> talked to me and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I
> > >> would like the 4 vets in the office to either speak with me in a
> > >> group, or talk amongst themselves and then I would come in and talk
> > >> about my Tigger’s future treatment. I talked about Winstrol to him,
> > >> and he promised to check with the veterinary specialists and see
> > >> what they have to say about it. I told him I wanted to know about
> > >> Tigger’s bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but no one has given me
> > >> any results so I am really in the dark). I told him I want to be
> > >> pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat things that pop up.
> > >> He made a lot of promises to me, and I sincerely hope he follows
> > >> through. I tried to impress upon him how important our little
> > >> furball is to us, and that he deserves to have everything possible
> > >> done for him. I told him I am willing to do the supportive care
> > >> longterm or whatever is necessary, but did not want to do the
> > >> unnecessary things. My goal is to change their minds about
> > >> instantly writing off kitties who happen to be unfortunate enough to
> have this virus. I am so happy I found your group because I see that
> everyone who has posted seems to be of the same opinion.
> > >>
> > >> Ardy Robertson
> > >>
> > >> Osseo, WI
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > >> <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] *On Behalf Of *Maya
> > >> D'Alessio
> > >> *Sent:* Friday, October 23, 2015 7:08 AM
> > >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Good luck Kelley! Let me know how your vet reacts about the Winstrol.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:51 AM, <dlg...@windstream.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> tHAT IS WHAT MY VET SAID WHEN i GOT ANNIE.  THE OTHERS ARE SAFE IF
> > >> THEY ARE VACCINATED.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Kelley S <moonv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > Well, I am happy to say she is eating like a champ.  She ate one
> > >> serviing
> > >> > of Prowl today, plus a can of food, plus some dry food - I don't
> > >> > really like her eating dry but it will put weight on her.
> > >> >
> > >> > Best of all, my vet say he has no problems letting her in with
> > >> > the rest
> > >> of
> > >> > my vaccinated cats. I have 2 more vaccinations to go, one is
> > >> > tomorrow
> > >> and
> > >> > the other one is next Friday.  He even said when he brought the
> > >> > FELV+ kittens to his house, he made sure his other cats were
> > >> > vaccinated first
> > >> and
> > >> > then let them in with the others.
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm going to try my best to ask again about Winstrol tomorrow.
> > >> >
> > >> > Kelley
> > >>
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> > >>
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> > >>
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[Felvtalk] Fwd: Coco update

2015-10-24 Thread Kelley S
On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 12:02 AM, Kelley S <moonv...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I personally am extremely glad they are property.  Otherwise some other
> person who thinks they know better could decide Coco should be euthanized
> because she is positive, could see my dog out running around in my yard and
> think that is not good and take him and put him in their car and leave,
> such things have already happened.   I don't want a CPS like organization
> deciding how my animals should be taken care of and when they should be
> PTS.
>
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 11:48 PM, <dlg...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
>> This is off topic, but I keep getting some of member emails in my trash
>> box instead of the inbox.  Is this hapening to anyone else?
>>
>>  Kelley S <moonv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > In Texas, they were found to be a special kind of property like a
>> > photograph...but then that was rescinded...not sure what the status is
>> > now..but at any rate you do sign a disclaimer saying you will not sue
>> so...
>> >
>> > On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I'm a lawyer. First, I can tell you that there wouldn’t be much of a
>> > > lawsuit in the passing of an ill cat (or even a healthy one for that
>> matter
>> > > - they are just properly under the law) and second, writing down and
>> > > signing that you take full responsibility in that circumstance, is an
>> > > almost impossible hurdle to overcome. Vets in Canada don’t get sued
>> very
>> > > much at all, so I would be surprised if this was even a consideration
>> for
>> > > them here. I don’t know the circumstances in the U.S., but they are
>> still
>> > > considered property (chattel) so I doubt things would be much
>> different in
>> > > the legal sphere.
>> > >
>> > > Amani
>> > >
>> > > -Original Message-
>> > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On
>> Behalf Of
>> > > dlg...@windstream.net
>> > > Sent: October-24-15 3:57 PM
>> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
>> > >
>> > > tHEY ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF LAWSUITS, THE CAT DIES AND NO MATTER
>> WHAT
>> > > YOU SAID BEFORE, YOU MIGHT SUE.
>> > >
>> > >  Maya D'Alessio <mde...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing
>> > > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but
>> in
>> > > > most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is
>> > > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of
>> a
>> > > > concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that
>> > > > have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to
>> > > > use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a
>> two
>> > > > vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has
>> > > > been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was
>> > > > quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really
>> > > > interested in hearing me out
>> > > >
>> > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio
>> > > > <mrdal...@uwaterloo.ca>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing
>> > > > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but
>> > > > > in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat
>> is
>> > > > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less
>> of
>> > > > > a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs
>> > > > > that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they
>> > > > > wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative
>> anemia!
>> > > > > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very
>> > > > > understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've
>> > > > > been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other
>> > > > > vet is not really interested in hearing me ou

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

2015-10-23 Thread Kelley S
I had a senior cat come into rescue  and I gave him a rabies shot as
required by law.  He developed AIHA (Automated Immune Hemolytic Anemia) and
after giving it a good fight passed away.  I had a fundraiser for him and
some of yall were nice enough to donate  He had DAILY CBC blood counts as
well as extremely strong meds (Leukeran, an anti cancer drug, was one.) I
will never ever be cavalier about vaccinations again - unfortunately Texas
does not accept titer tests for rabies but if your state does I would
HIGHLY encourage it.  Of course kittens do need an initial series...but
after that, especially for the seniors, vaccines can be terribly dangerous.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 9:13 PM, <dlg...@windstream.net> wrote:

> I have not vaccinated any of my cats for the last 5 years and no one has
> had any problems.  Most do not go out, just one and he stays in my yard or
> on the deck.  I am in the woods so do not have contact with many cats and
> dogs.  Last vaccination, one cat had a reaction, lost the hair around the
> site and was very sick.
>
>  Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote:
> > As of this past January (2015), they were giving FIV vaccinations in
> combo with distemper, and a couple others, I think rabies, and is there a
> parvo one or something? I will ask next time I am there. This is in Osseo,
> WI.
> >
> > I would hope shelters would have this knowledge. Otherwise they are very
> quick to euthanize. :(
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Kelley S
> > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:11 AM
> > To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
> >
> >
> >
> > I hope no one in still giving combo vaccinations for FIV.  My
> understanding is that the FIV vaccine (but not the FELV vaccine) will cause
> a cat to test FIV+ for lifetime.  In the sad occasion kitty should get out
> and taken to a shelter, he will test FIV+ and that is not a good thing for
> a cat in a shelter.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 12:51 AM, Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net
> <mailto:ar...@centurytel.net> > wrote:
> >
> > So happy that the older cats did not get it - somewhere I read that
> after 11 months of age their immune system can usually fend it off.
> >
> > Another misconception that I had, when I took a stray cat in to be
> spayed and vaccinated, was that the "combo" vaccination they use for
> distemper, rabies, FIV and something else does not include a vaccination
> for FeLV. At that time, I had no idea that FIV and FeLV were two different
> things. (Of course I thought ONE distemper shot as  kitten was all you
> needed to give also.) But my point is -- it would be nice to have it all
> explained to you, and maybe some vet clinics do, but ours does not. Years
> ago I had an orange kitty named Scotchy that died right after being given a
> rabies vaccination too. They said it was rare.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org  felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Lee
> > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 12:06 AM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
> >
> > Not sure my emails are going through. However I have to tell everyone
> that FeLv is not the horridly contagious disease that most vets would have
> us believe. Three years ago to the month my little Honey Bunny passed away
> from an active and virulent case of feline leukemia. Before we could try
> much of anything her system shut down. My vet is not a specialist and his
> take on it was that once leukemia is active nothing much can be done.
> >
> > Bunny was s cat who had tested positive at first so I kept her isolated
> for a month in a separate room. She was under a year old at the time of
> rescue and first test. On retesting, she had turned negative. However, I
> isolated her for another month just to be sure. Still negative so I moved
> her in with Samson and Delilah who both share my bedroom. Exactly a year
> later when Bunny was two years old, I noticed she was not scarfing down
> food as she had been doing. She grew lethargic and disinterested in playing
> and being mischievous. In a matter of three weeks she went from healthy to
> dead. The misery was that both Samson and Delilah had been thoroughly
> exposed.
> >
> > There is somewhat of a happy side of this sad story. It has been three
> years since their exposure and I recently tested both cats. They are both
> negative. My vet told m

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

2015-10-23 Thread Kelley S
Parvo would be for dogs...cats cannot get parvoI don't know of any vets
who recommend FIV vaccinations...they do not work well and the cat will
always test positive for FIV after...

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 6:50 PM,  wrote:

> To prevent the disease, you need to treat it and vets do not seem to get
> that.  Only by treating and learning about it can we prevent it.
>
>  Ardy Robertson  wrote:
> > Thank you very much for this information Amani.
> >
> > Possibly another reason they don’t want to treat FeLV+ cats is that they
> somehow feel “getting rid” of them is helping to not spread the disease. My
> thought is that most spreading is probably done from mother cat to baby,
> and of course in those rare homes that have very large numbers of
> poorly-cared-for cats. They are not really trusting owners of FeLV+ cats to
> be responsible enough to not allow it to spread. I have also now read that
> cats that are over 11 months of age probably have enough of an immune
> system to not get the disease even if they are near positive cats. Although
> I would not take that chance and ever let them run outdoors or be around
> other cats.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Ardy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Amani Oakley
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:03 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
> >
> >
> >
> > Arty, again, this is an email I tried to post early this morning, but
> for some reason it didn’t go through to the Listserve, so I am reposting:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Amani Oakley
> > Sent: October-21-15 11:51 AM
> > To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
> > Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
> >
> >
> >
> > Arty, the Winstrol is an anabolic steroid so it really just works by
> bulking up the body, repairing damaged tissue, and also has a strong
> ability to treat serious anemia by working directly on the red blood cell
> producing cells in the bone marrow and erythropoietin production in the
> kidneys. Erythropoietin is the substance that the body produces that tells
> it to make more red cells.
> >
> >
> >
> > It is NOT the same kind of steroid as prednisolone, etc., so it can be
> used with other types of steroids, with pain meds and with antibiotics,
> etc., without interfering with their activity.
> >
> >
> >
> > My frustration comes from the fact that this drug was basically pulled
> because it is associated with doping scandals in professional athletes
> (they use it to become stronger and faster and to heal and recover from
> workouts faster), so it became a drug whose name you can’t mention and is
> tough to get sometimes. Also, there was a scientific study suggesting liver
> damage with its use, but the rest of the scientific literature just doesn’t
> seem to have borne this out and it certainly isn’t my experience. So here
> we have this relatively inexpensive, fairly effective option, with little
> downside risk, and quick effects usually, and the vets would rather tell us
> there is no hope and to euthanize our cats, than suggest this medication.
> >
> >
> >
> > I just don’t get it, and I have some very good friends who are high up
> in the echelons of the vet community, so believe me when I tell you that I
> have had this discussion on many occasions!
> >
> >
> >
> > Amani
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Ardy Robertson
> > Sent: October-20-15 11:10 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you so much Amani – it really sounds like you have done your
> homework!! And that’s just it – this happened so fast and took us so
> off-guard that I didn’t have any knowledge of what to do. We took him in on
> a Sunday night, and after putting some “puzzle pieces” together, I think he
> was getting sick for a while and I just did not pick up on it. We had been
> gone for a couple days, then we had company at our house so he was kind of
> out of sight and I figured he just didn’t like the people, when actually he
> usually loves people. He had felt hot a couple of times, but both times he
> was lying on a window sill with the sun shining directly on him. Our
> regular vet was out so a different animal hospital was filling in. They
> gave him fluids and antibiotics as well as pain liquid and sent us home. No
> blood test.
> >
> >
> >
> > The next day our regular vet did xrays and found an enlarged lymph node
> somewhere near his tummy I think, so that’s why they did the blood work and
> found the FeLV. They were also the ones that did the FeLV test 5 years
> prior when we found him as a kitten. They changed to an antibiotic 10-day
> shot for what they thought was a bite from another cat that we had taken in
> (who tests negative). That cat was a very 

[Felvtalk] Coco update

2015-10-23 Thread Kelley S
Well, I am happy to say she is eating like a champ.  She ate one serviing
of Prowl today, plus a can of food, plus some dry food - I don't really
like her eating dry but it will put weight on her.

Best of all, my vet say he has no problems letting her in with the rest of
my vaccinated cats. I have 2 more vaccinations to go, one is tomorrow and
the other one is next Friday.  He even said when he brought the FELV+
kittens to his house, he made sure his other cats were vaccinated first and
then let them in with the others.

I'm going to try my best to ask again about Winstrol tomorrow.

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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

2015-10-23 Thread Kelley S
I hope no one in still giving combo vaccinations for FIV.  My understanding
is that the FIV vaccine (but not the FELV vaccine) will cause a cat to test
FIV+ for lifetime.  In the sad occasion kitty should get out and taken to a
shelter, he will test FIV+ and that is not a good thing for a cat in a
shelter.

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 12:51 AM, Ardy Robertson 
wrote:

> So happy that the older cats did not get it - somewhere I read that after
> 11 months of age their immune system can usually fend it off.
>
> Another misconception that I had, when I took a stray cat in to be spayed
> and vaccinated, was that the "combo" vaccination they use for distemper,
> rabies, FIV and something else does not include a vaccination for FeLV. At
> that time, I had no idea that FIV and FeLV were two different things. (Of
> course I thought ONE distemper shot as  kitten was all you needed to give
> also.) But my point is -- it would be nice to have it all explained to you,
> and maybe some vet clinics do, but ours does not. Years ago I had an orange
> kitty named Scotchy that died right after being given a rabies vaccination
> too. They said it was rare.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Lee
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 12:06 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
>
> Not sure my emails are going through. However I have to tell everyone that
> FeLv is not the horridly contagious disease that most vets would have us
> believe. Three years ago to the month my little Honey Bunny passed away
> from an active and virulent case of feline leukemia. Before we could try
> much of anything her system shut down. My vet is not a specialist and his
> take on it was that once leukemia is active nothing much can be done.
>
> Bunny was s cat who had tested positive at first so I kept her isolated
> for a month in a separate room. She was under a year old at the time of
> rescue and first test. On retesting, she had turned negative. However, I
> isolated her for another month just to be sure. Still negative so I moved
> her in with Samson and Delilah who both share my bedroom. Exactly a year
> later when Bunny was two years old, I noticed she was not scarfing down
> food as she had been doing. She grew lethargic and disinterested in playing
> and being mischievous. In a matter of three weeks she went from healthy to
> dead. The misery was that both Samson and Delilah had been thoroughly
> exposed.
>
> There is somewhat of a happy side of this sad story. It has been three
> years since their exposure and I recently tested both cats. They are both
> negative. My vet told me that most healthy, non stressed, well fed cats can
> survive an exposure such as Sam and Dee had without catching the disease.
> The groups in most danger are cats under a year old, stressed feral cats
> who have not been fixed and elderly cats who are experiencing health issues.
>
> On Oct 22, 2015 11:07 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You may be right Ardy, as to their motivation, but in my case, I was
> allowed to spend close to $10,000 when all treatments were tallied up, for
> worthless ineffective treatment, until I accidentally hit upon the
> Winstrol, with a cost of something like 50 cents per pill. Of course they
> were telling me the whole time to let him go, and that I needed to consider
> his “quality of life” (ie – I was being selfish and immoral), and it was
> only my insistence that I intended to try every feasible option to save my
> cat...
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Ardy Robertson
> > > Sent: October-22-15 10:50 PM
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you very much for this information Amani.
> > >
> > > Possibly another reason they don’t want to treat FeLV+ cats is that
> they somehow feel “getting rid” of them is helping to not spread the
> disease. My thought is that most spreading is probably done from mother cat
> to baby, and of course in those rare homes that have very large numbers of
> poorly-cared-for cats. They are not really trusting owners of FeLV+ cats to
> be responsible enough to not allow it to spread. I have also now read that
> cats that are over 11 months of age probably have enough of an immune
> system to not get the disease even if they are near positive cats. Although
> I would not take that chance and ever let them run outdoors or be around
> other cats.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Ardy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Amani Oakley
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:03 PM
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 

Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update

2015-10-03 Thread Kelley S
She's eating a good bit of plain baked chicken thigh right now.

On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 6:48 AM, Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> .
> >
> >"I doubt he will approve of the Winstrol, forget him and go ahead and get
> it."
>
> Actually I think the Vet was receptive. But how does one just go ahead and
> get Winstrol? My Vet will try almost anything, but that isn't something her
> boss wants to deal with...
>
> Margo
>
>
>
>
> > Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> >> The Convenia should help. Unfortunately, if he hasn’t started to source
> the Winstrol (unless he has used it before) it may take him some time to
> find it. Be insistent. Let me know what his answer is on Monday. I wish you
> were nearby. I would have no trouble helping you out. I have been where you
> are, more times than I can count.
> >>
> >> Amani
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Kelley S
> >> Sent: October-02-15 11:22 PM
> >> To: felvtalk
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
> >>
> >> She got the Convenia today.   I asked him about the Winstrol and am
> going back Monday.  Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday.  I will get some
> baby food tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to
> drive me:()
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com
> <mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
> >> Kelley
> >>
> >> If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high
> steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks
> Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the
> smell opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with
> kids). I would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build
> up her strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very
> quickly. She is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because
> she is run down and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he
> can give a long lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to
> be giving even more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken
> and beef. You can get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may
> like it as most of my cats have always liked the taste and take it easily
> on their own, even if I have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest,
> full of protein, and a good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I
> can’t stress enough that you shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol.
> >>
> >> Amani
> >>
> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of Kelley S
> >> Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM
> >> To: felvtalk
> >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update
> >>
> >> My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her.  She
> woke me and told me we needed to take her to the vet.   She has URI.  She
> did not have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did.  She did eat
> 3/4 of a can of AD.  The vet is very concerned.  He did say he felt she was
> better off with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at
> night. But he is very concerned.
> >>
> >> Kelley
> >>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update

2015-10-02 Thread Kelley S
I don't think he has a problem providing the Winstrol.  He's pretty
agreeable.  He's one of my favorite vets ever. After Merlin died he told me
he once took home 2 FELV+ kittens from the clinic and they died before 10
months.  I read between the lines - someone asked him to PTS those kittens
after they tested pos.  This in contrast to one of my old vets who had a
sign on his door any cats or kittens left at the door would be humanely
euthanized.  He does not see much FELV+ in his practice so he does not
know, but he is generally willing to get me whatever i ask for. Michelle is
asleep right now so I can't do anything.  No car.

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:36 PM, <dlg...@windstream.net> wrote:

> I doubt he will approve of the Winstrol, forget him and go ahead and get
> it.
>
>  Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> > The Convenia should help. Unfortunately, if he hasn’t started to source
> the Winstrol (unless he has used it before) it may take him some time to
> find it. Be insistent. Let me know what his answer is on Monday. I wish you
> were nearby. I would have no trouble helping you out. I have been where you
> are, more times than I can count.
> >
> > Amani
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Kelley S
> > Sent: October-02-15 11:22 PM
> > To: felvtalk
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
> >
> > She got the Convenia today.   I asked him about the Winstrol and am
> going back Monday.  Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday.  I will get some
> baby food tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to
> drive me:()
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com
> <mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
> > Kelley
> >
> > If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high
> steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks
> Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the
> smell opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with
> kids). I would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build
> up her strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very
> quickly. She is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because
> she is run down and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he
> can give a long lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to
> be giving even more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken
> and beef. You can get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may
> like it as most of my cats have always liked the taste and take it easily
> on their own, even if I have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest,
> full of protein, and a good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I
> can’t stress enough that you shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol.
> >
> > Amani
> >
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of Kelley S
> > Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM
> > To: felvtalk
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update
> >
> > My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her.  She woke
> me and told me we needed to take her to the vet.   She has URI.  She did
> not have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did.  She did eat 3/4 of
> a can of AD.  The vet is very concerned.  He did say he felt she was better
> off with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night.
> But he is very concerned.
> >
> > Kelley
> >
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2015-10-02 Thread Kelley S
My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her.  She woke me
and told me we needed to take her to the vet.   She has URI.  She did not
have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did.  She did eat 3/4 of a
can of AD.  The vet is very concerned.  He did say he felt she was better
off with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night.
But he is very concerned.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update

2015-10-02 Thread Kelley S
She got the Convenia today.   I asked him about the Winstrol and am going
back Monday.  Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday.  I will get some baby
food tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to drive
me:()

On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
wrote:

> Kelley
>
>
>
> If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high
> steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks
> Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the
> smell opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with
> kids). I would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build
> up her strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very
> quickly. She is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because
> she is run down and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he
> can give a long lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to
> be giving even more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken
> and beef. You can get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may
> like it as most of my cats have always liked the taste and take it easily
> on their own, even if I have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest,
> full of protein, and a good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I
> can’t stress enough that you shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Kelley S
> *Sent:* October-02-15 10:05 PM
> *To:* felvtalk
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Coco update
>
>
>
> My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her.  She woke
> me and told me we needed to take her to the vet.   She has URI.  She did
> not have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did.  She did eat 3/4 of
> a can of AD.  The vet is very concerned.  He did say he felt she was better
> off with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night.
> But he is very concerned.
>
>
>
> Kelley
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[Felvtalk] Coco update

2015-10-01 Thread Kelley S
We got Coco bathed with Dawn water and all the nasty flea dirt off of her.
She still has a few live fleas crawling on her even with the Seresto collar
but nothing like they were before.  We have her in an upstairs bathroom
with A/D.  Last night she ate half a can of Friskees on her own.  I am
going to clean up her room while she is in the other room and put her
clean bedding back in - I washed it in hot water to kill flea eggs.

Her ears are dirty,  need to see if it is infection or mites. It isn't
crunchy like mites tend to be so maybe infection.  Lots of waxy residue.
Looks like what my heart kitty Missy used to get near the end of her life.

Thanks to whoever recommended Little City Dogs, I ordered 2 packages of
Lufenuron and one of Nitenpyram.  I am declaring WAR on these fleas..
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Re: [Felvtalk] Little Girl Coco

2015-10-01 Thread Kelley S
I continue to be really worried.  She is so very thin and eats almost
nothing.  She IS eating, just not much at all.  I have gotten some AD and
am going to try to syringe it to her.

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Kelley S <moonv...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Lorrie,
>
> Yes, I would agree it is very difficult.  Unfortunately very difficult
> does not mean impossible.  That's my problem. I  have no more kittens.  I
> have a young adult cat who was born 1/7/13 who has been combo tested
> negative and vaccinated along with all the other cats.
>
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote:
>
>> Kelley,
>> -
>> My vet told me it is very difficult for FelV cats to give the virus
>> to other adult cats. It is a different story with kittens who are
>> very susceptible, as their immune systems are not fully developed.
>> I've personally found that kittens born with FelV from a positive
>> mother almost always die. However, I have 10 adult cats who have been
>> with two FelV pos. cats for 5 years and none of them have become
>> positive.  FelV is not easily transmitted to adult cats, even when
>> they share food and water bowls.
>>
>> Lorrie
>>
>> n 09-29, Kelley wrote:
>>
>> > By the way, various vets have told me regarding mixing vaccinated
>> > negatives and positives everything from "FELV is so contagious that
>> > if a positive cat licks a blade of grass and your negative cat
>> > comes along and licks the same blade of grass they will be
>> > infected" to "it's no big deal." So at this point I have to wonder
>> > how much good "a vet told me" is.
>> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Little Girl Coco

2015-09-30 Thread Kelley S
Lorrie,

Yes, I would agree it is very difficult.  Unfortunately very difficult does
not mean impossible.  That's my problem. I  have no more kittens.  I have a
young adult cat who was born 1/7/13 who has been combo tested negative and
vaccinated along with all the other cats.

On Wed, Sep 30, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Lorrie  wrote:

> Kelley,
> -
> My vet told me it is very difficult for FelV cats to give the virus
> to other adult cats. It is a different story with kittens who are
> very susceptible, as their immune systems are not fully developed.
> I've personally found that kittens born with FelV from a positive
> mother almost always die. However, I have 10 adult cats who have been
> with two FelV pos. cats for 5 years and none of them have become
> positive.  FelV is not easily transmitted to adult cats, even when
> they share food and water bowls.
>
> Lorrie
>
> n 09-29, Kelley wrote:
>
> > By the way, various vets have told me regarding mixing vaccinated
> > negatives and positives everything from "FELV is so contagious that
> > if a positive cat licks a blade of grass and your negative cat
> > comes along and licks the same blade of grass they will be
> > infected" to "it's no big deal." So at this point I have to wonder
> > how much good "a vet told me" is.
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Little Girl Coco

2015-09-29 Thread Kelley S
I spoke to him about the Winstrol and he agreed it would be a good idea.
We did not go further than that.  I have a diarrhea problem we are trying
to deal with and I think a specialist may end up getting involved. It is
nothing that shows up in a regular vet office type fecal and antibiotics
and steroids have not helped it.  Neither have fortiflora, yogurt, pumpkin,
some volcanic ash stuff recommended by my old vet, crying, or praying.
Not all the cats have it but those that do it is intractable.  Their senior
bloodwork shows mostly the same thing, all the major stuff normal, mildly
elevated white blood cells.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 5:59 PM, Amani Oakley 
wrote:

> I agree Kelley. Do what you think is best. Unfortunately, only you get to
> live with the consequences of your decision. I learned that the hard way
> and always keep that in mind when deciding what to do. When I close my eyes
> at night, I don't want to be tortured but what I should have done but
> failed to do.
>
> However, what you have described with Coco (underweight and anemic) are
> both things that the Winstrol is excellent at helping with. I don't know if
> you spoke with your vet about that. That may be something you want to try
> with her. If you do, I hope you have as good a result as I had.
>
> In the meantime, take a while to cope with Merlin's loss and don't make
> any significant changes unless you are comfortable with them right now.
> Perhaps when you are a little less stressed, things may look different to
> you, but for now, you have a lot to cope with.
>
> Amani
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Kelley
> Sent: September-29-15 6:54 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Little Girl Coco
>
> By the way, various vets have told me regarding mixing vaccinated
> negatives and positives everything from "FELV is so contagious that if a
> positive cat licks a blade of grass and your negative cat comes along and
> licks the same blade of grass they will be infected" to "it's no big
> deal."  So at this point I have to wonder how much good "a vet told me" is.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 29, 2015, at 4:40 PM,  <
> dlg...@windstream.net> wrote:
> >
> > Kelly, be brave.  My vet told me that as long as the others are
> vaccinated, you are safe.  The idea is to reduce stress for them, keeping
> her seperae adds a lot of stress.  My positives and negative have been
> eating from he same bowls, drinking from the same fountains, sleeping on my
> bed, chair, etc now for over 4 years.  No one has gotten sick.  Just watch
> them, make sure to act at the first sign of anything wrong you go to the
> vet.  Annie is positive and her onlyh problem is she is having a problem
> adjusting to not being the only one in the house, getting all the
> attention.  I did start giving the lowest possible dose of medication to
> relax her and now, she allows others to sleep on my lap with her.
> >
> >  Margo  wrote:
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Re: [Felvtalk] Little Girl Coco

2015-09-28 Thread Kelley S
Because I'm scared. That's why.   I wish I could get it to make more
sense.   It had always been the plan to let her and Merls out when I got
them all vaccinated and tested.  They are finally all vaccinated and
tested, and the youngest is over 1 year old, and I still can't do it.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 12:44 AM, <dlg...@windstream.net> wrote:

> If your other cats are healthy and getting vacinnated every year for FELV,
> why not let her in with them.  I have never seperated FELV cats from
> negatives and all my other cats that have passed on were 18 and 19 yeas
> old, they died of old age related problems.
>
>  Kelley S <moonv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I took her to the vet today.  Very friendly, mostly healthy.  She is a
> bit
> > thin.  I am going to try to put her on some dehydrated or frozen raw.
> She
> > does not eat a lot, but she does eat.  A little anemic.  She has
> diarrhea,
> > fecal is not turning up anything.  Very very friendly and loves people.
> > Unfortunately continues to test positive and we are deciding she is
> > persistently infected at this point.
> >
> > She HATES being separated from us and will hate it more now that Merls is
> > gone and she has no one to play with.  I have ordered one of the big cat
> > condos and am going to put it in front of the sliding glass door and put
> > her in there for a couple of hours a day so she can have some time out of
> > her room (large bedroom) and see outside.
> >
> > But, I would adopt her out if anyone were looking for another kitty to
> add
> > to their FELV crew.  I can't get another one for a companion for her, I
> > just cannot do this.  She is safe here and has a home for however long
> her
> > life may last.  But if you know anyone who is looking for an FELV kitty
> > please let me know.  She is a long haired orange kitty and absolutely
> > gorgeous.
> >
> > I know many of you mix and I thought I could and I know all the medical
> > reasons it is ok.  But I just can't do it.
> >
> > Kelley
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Plan for Coco

2015-09-28 Thread Kelley S
I agree that sometimes people do not treat stray animals well.  But in her
case there is zero chance of unwanted pregnancy.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 6:57 AM, <dlg...@windstream.net> wrote:

> All of my cats get spayed/neutered as soon as they are old enough.
> Unwanted kittens are targets for guns, cars and poison around here.  People
> think of strays, dog or cat s a nuisance, not worthy of respect and life.
>
>
>  Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com> wrote:
> >
> > To spay or not to spay, that is the question. I had one spayed years
> > ago and she came thru it fine, but this is the one who died suddenly
> > at age 6.  Her sister was not spayed, but put on birth control and she
> > is still alive and appears fine. My other FelV cats died mostly as
> > kittens ages 8 to 10 months, but one made it to a year and a half..
> > -
> > Lorrie
> >
> >
> > On 09-27, Kelley S wrote:
> > >Hi all,
> > >Coco is FELV+ kitty #2.  My plan for her so she doesn't feel so
> alone
> > >until I can bring myself to mix (all other kitties have tested
> > >negative, some multiple times) is to buy a large cat condo and put
> her
> > >in it at least a couple hours a day out here.  Now, what I want to
> ask
> > >yall about is spaying.  She is unsprayed..
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Capstar/Nytenpyram

2015-09-28 Thread Kelley S
We have been using Advantage monthly (big dog tube, divided up) and not
much success.  Every time I take a cat in the vet will say "too many fleas"
and apply Revolution.  That seems to work better but at $18 a pop I cannot
afford it.  So I actually am going to Seresto collars.  I have read of some
side effects, so I am going slow and putting one on per few days and
observing.  Some people would yell at me for that, but the natural products
are not working and some of the chemicals are not working either, and I
can't have severe flea infestations.  The collars are expensive, but less
expensive than monthly Revolution and steroid shots for flea allergy.  I
have never ever seen fleas like this in my life and I've lived all over the
south.  The cats do not go outside.  These fleas were here when we moved
in.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Lorrie  wrote:

> Nytenpyram is excellent stuff. Much less expensive than Capstar. My
> daughter has 27 rescued cats and she also buys it from Little City
> Dogs.
> -
> I never have a severe flea problem as I vacuum every day, use
> Advantage 2, have flea traps in every toom, and use flea combs.
>
> Lorrie
>
>
>
> On 09-28, Margo wrote:
> >This year I also used Little City Dogs Nytenpyram (generic Capstar) in
> >conjunction with Flea traps. Usually Advantage does fine. I tried
> >multiple topicals, and this year, NOTHING worked. I did have to use it
> >more than once, and used the dog size mixed into food for 6-8 cats,
> >divided between them.
> >Margo
> >
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[Felvtalk] Little Girl Coco

2015-09-28 Thread Kelley S
I took her to the vet today.  Very friendly, mostly healthy.  She is a bit
thin.  I am going to try to put her on some dehydrated or frozen raw.  She
does not eat a lot, but she does eat.  A little anemic.  She has diarrhea,
fecal is not turning up anything.  Very very friendly and loves people.
Unfortunately continues to test positive and we are deciding she is
persistently infected at this point.

She HATES being separated from us and will hate it more now that Merls is
gone and she has no one to play with.  I have ordered one of the big cat
condos and am going to put it in front of the sliding glass door and put
her in there for a couple of hours a day so she can have some time out of
her room (large bedroom) and see outside.

But, I would adopt her out if anyone were looking for another kitty to add
to their FELV crew.  I can't get another one for a companion for her, I
just cannot do this.  She is safe here and has a home for however long her
life may last.  But if you know anyone who is looking for an FELV kitty
please let me know.  She is a long haired orange kitty and absolutely
gorgeous.

I know many of you mix and I thought I could and I know all the medical
reasons it is ok.  But I just can't do it.

Kelley
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[Felvtalk] Merlin has gone to the bridge

2015-09-27 Thread Kelley S
They say his heart gave out.

Kelley
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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlin has gone to the bridge

2015-09-27 Thread Kelley S
I feel really bad, because I have a healthy cat population room that I live
in with the healthy population cats, and a felv+ room, and no matter how
much time I spend in the felv+ room, it is never enough, and obviously not
as much time as I spend in the healthy population room.  I was just about
to mix them, because I had a kitten who is now over a year and has had both
felv shots, but I hadn't yet.  I think what I will do is order a condo, and
put her in it for at least a couple of hours a day out front for
observation purposes.

On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 3:48 PM, kat <merrykatme...@email.com> wrote:

> Dear Kelley,
>
> Your *pain* says you "failed him" - But you gave him more love & care
> than he would have gotten from anyone else.  Cats are stoic by nature -
> they don't show illness until it's in the advanced state (I've been there
> too - we all have).  It's so easy to look back & say "I should have..."
> It's not so easy to recognize it as it happens.  Yes, have your other FeLV+
> kitty checked out - it will help ease your mind & heart.  But please do not
> think you have "failed" any of them.  Your love is more important than
> anything to them.
>
> Sending you gentle hugs & purrs from my 'crew' to help ease your pain.  We
> understand.
>
> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 27, 2015 at 3:49 PM
> *From:* "Kelley S" <moonv...@gmail.com>
> *To:* felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Merlin has gone to the bridge
> I failed him.  I did not notice his symptoms in time.  Now I have his
> "sister" (not blood related" by herself.  She is going to be miserable,she
> does not like to be alone.  I had an appointment for 2 other cats on
> Monday.  I am switching her out with one of them so that I can get her
> completely checked out.  Not that heart failure is contagious, but I need
> to be more on top of my FELV+ cats, or now, cat.  I can't do this anymore,
> I don't know how yall do it.  I don't have "too many" cats overall, but I
> do think I have "too many" to handle many chronically ill (or potentially
> chronically ill).  I guess any cat is "potentially chronically ill."  By
> the way, I fell even more in love with this doctor when he told me he had
> taken home 2 FELV+ kittens from the clinic and they died before 10 months
> old.  I read between the lines that someone wanted their FELV+ kittens
> euthanized or did not want them when they tested pos.
>
> On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Marsha <mar...@lynxe.com> wrote:
>>
>> Kelley, I am so, so sorry to hear about Merlin.  Thanks for doing your
>> best and taking care of him as you did.  Sometimes love just isn't enough
>> to keep them here, and they have to move on to the next realm.  Out of our
>> sight and hearing, but never disconnected from our hearts.
>>
>> Soft headbonks and purrs from FeLV+ Brock and me, and my Murrlin too.
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>>
>> On 9/27/2015 2:08 PM, Kelley S wrote:
>>>
>>> They say his heart gave out.
>>>
>>> Kelley
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlin has gone to the bridge

2015-09-27 Thread Kelley S
I failed him.  I did not notice his symptoms in time.  Now I have his
"sister" (not blood related" by herself.  She is going to be miserable,she
does not like to be alone.  I had an appointment for 2 other cats on
Monday.  I am switching her out with one of them so that I can get her
completely checked out.  Not that heart failure is contagious, but I need
to be more on top of my FELV+ cats, or now, cat.  I can't do this anymore,
I don't know how yall do it.  I don't have "too many" cats overall, but I
do think I have "too many" to handle many chronically ill (or potentially
chronically ill).  I guess any cat is "potentially chronically ill."  By
the way, I fell even more in love with this doctor when he told me he had
taken home 2 FELV+ kittens from the clinic and they died before 10 months
old.  I read between the lines that someone wanted their FELV+ kittens
euthanized or did not want them when they tested pos.

On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Marsha <mar...@lynxe.com> wrote:

> Kelley, I am so, so sorry to hear about Merlin.  Thanks for doing your
> best and taking care of him as you did.  Sometimes love just isn't enough
> to keep them here, and they have to move on to the next realm.  Out of our
> sight and hearing, but never disconnected from our hearts.
>
> Soft headbonks and purrs from FeLV+ Brock and me, and my Murrlin too.
>
> Marsha
>
>
> On 9/27/2015 2:08 PM, Kelley S wrote:
>
>> They say his heart gave out.
>>
>> Kelley
>>
>>
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[Felvtalk] Plan for Coco

2015-09-27 Thread Kelley S
Hi all,

Coco is FELV+ kitty #2.  My plan for her so she doesn't feel so alone until
I can bring myself to mix (all other kitties have tested negative, some
multiple times) is to buy a large cat condo and put her in it at least a
couple hours a day out here.  Now, what I want to ask yall about is
spaying.  She is unsprayed.  There is NO chance of her getting out (she'd
have to get out of the FELV room, then out of the basement, then upstairs
then out an exterior door upstairs, which is not going to happen, plus when
we leave we go out the garage door to go out so if anyone WERE to follow us
they'd still just be in the garage).  As long as I've had her she has never
seemed to go into heat.  If she did it was a silent heat.  Is it more
stressful to spay her or more stressful to not spay her?

She is a beautiful medium hair orange girl.

I am going to ask the doctor about Winstrol for her.  I am debating taking
her to the holistic vet but she is so expensive here ($400 for an initial
visit).  I have her on Standard Process Feline Immune System support 1
tablet 2x day.  I am putting a Seresto collar on her if I can keep it on
her  We have a bad flea problem here and nothing I am doing is helping.  I
have lived all over the south and this is the worst flea problem I've ever
seen.  We have tried  diatomaceous earth.  Advantage doesn't do much at
all.  Revolution works for a little while.  I have some Advantage spray
which kills adults, larva and eggs to spray on carpeted furniture  I am
taking the blankies out of that room and wash them in hot water and dry on
high heat to kill eggsEven our vet does not know what to do.  I am
declaring WAR on these flea.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Very worried about Merlin

2015-09-26 Thread Kelley S
Thanks.  Dr Smith opens up at 8, so I'm waiting for it to be 8.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 6:20 AM, kat <merrykatme...@email.com> wrote:

> Kelley,
>
> Sending stay-strong, healing prayers to both you & Merlin.  Please let us
> know what the vet says.
>
> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 26, 2015 at 4:10 AM
> *From:* "Kelley S" <moonv...@gmail.com>
> *To:* felvtalk <Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Very worried about Merlin
> Hi all,
>
> Merlin has stopped eating his wet food.  I had noticed more and more food
> remaining in the FELV cat room and watched him carefully tonight.  He is
> also not grooming.  He DID pass a normal amount of stool (which I guess
> means he has been eating something), unfortunately he passed the stool on
> his blankie and then lay down right there.  I am going to try to get him
> into the vet in the am, but it is Saturday and I know he will be busy.  If
> he can't work me in I am going to at least try to get some AD and see if I
> can syringe feed it to him.
>
> Kelley
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[Felvtalk] Very worried about Merlin

2015-09-26 Thread Kelley S
Hi all,

Merlin has stopped eating his wet food.  I had noticed more and more food
remaining in the FELV cat room and watched him carefully tonight.  He is
also not grooming.  He DID pass a normal amount of stool (which I guess
means he has been eating something), unfortunately he passed the stool on
his blankie and then lay down right there.  I am going to try to get him
into the vet in the am, but it is Saturday and I know he will be busy.  If
he can't work me in I am going to at least try to get some AD and see if I
can syringe feed it to him.

Kelley
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Re: [Felvtalk] Very worried about Merlin

2015-09-26 Thread Kelley S
Well, I got him up to the vet.  He is dehydrated and had lost weight.   He
has an ulcer on his tongue but nothing worse than some he has had in the
past and his mouth looked better than I expected, though I was hoping it
was something like  that that a steroid shot would help. The primary issues
the FELV has caused him in the past have been stomatitis and mouth ulcers
and persistent uri.   His body temp is low.  I forget the number but at
least 2 degrees too low.  They are keeping him and giving him supportive
care while they try to figure out what is wrong.  They have him on a
heating pad and are administering fluids.  I left him there and then we
went to get something to eat because I was shaky.  I have now been up over
24 hours.  I just called and he did eat a tablespoon and a half of food on
his own for them, so perhaps his condition is not as dire as I feared,
though his condition remains guarded.  I hope any of this made sense I'm
more tired than I have been in a long time and I want to try to stay up til
6 for the vet's call or I will never wake up when the phone rings

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Kelley S <moonv...@gmail.com> wrote:

> We have an appointment at 9:40.  Bless Dr Smith I am sure he was quite
> booked today.
>
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>> Healing vibes for Merlin. Please let us know what you find out.
>>
>> Best hopes and wishes,
>>
>> Lance
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2015, at 6:27 AM, Kelley S <moonv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks.  Dr Smith opens up at 8, so I'm waiting for it to be 8.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 6:20 AM, kat <merrykatme...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Kelley,
>>>
>>> Sending stay-strong, healing prayers to both you & Merlin.  Please let
>>> us know what the vet says.
>>>
>>> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 26, 2015 at 4:10 AM
>>> *From:* "Kelley S" <moonv...@gmail.com>
>>> *To:* felvtalk <Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>>> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Very worried about Merlin
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Merlin has stopped eating his wet food.  I had noticed more and more
>>> food remaining in the FELV cat room and watched him carefully tonight.  He
>>> is also not grooming.  He DID pass a normal amount of stool (which I guess
>>> means he has been eating something), unfortunately he passed the stool on
>>> his blankie and then lay down right there.  I am going to try to get him
>>> into the vet in the am, but it is Saturday and I know he will be busy.  If
>>> he can't work me in I am going to at least try to get some AD and see if I
>>> can syringe feed it to him.
>>>
>>> Kelley
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Re: [Felvtalk] Very worried about Merlin

2015-09-26 Thread Kelley S
We have an appointment at 9:40.  Bless Dr Smith I am sure he was quite
booked today.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> Healing vibes for Merlin. Please let us know what you find out.
>
> Best hopes and wishes,
>
> Lance
>
> On Sep 26, 2015, at 6:27 AM, Kelley S <moonv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks.  Dr Smith opens up at 8, so I'm waiting for it to be 8.
>
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 6:20 AM, kat <merrykatme...@email.com> wrote:
>
>> Kelley,
>>
>> Sending stay-strong, healing prayers to both you & Merlin.  Please let us
>> know what the vet says.
>>
>> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 26, 2015 at 4:10 AM
>> *From:* "Kelley S" <moonv...@gmail.com>
>> *To:* felvtalk <Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Very worried about Merlin
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Merlin has stopped eating his wet food.  I had noticed more and more food
>> remaining in the FELV cat room and watched him carefully tonight.  He is
>> also not grooming.  He DID pass a normal amount of stool (which I guess
>> means he has been eating something), unfortunately he passed the stool on
>> his blankie and then lay down right there.  I am going to try to get him
>> into the vet in the am, but it is Saturday and I know he will be busy.  If
>> he can't work me in I am going to at least try to get some AD and see if I
>> can syringe feed it to him.
>>
>> Kelley
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Re: [Felvtalk] Very worried about Merlin

2015-09-26 Thread Kelley S
6 pm update. His temperature is up to 98 degrees. He has had an antibiotic
injection. They have given him fluids and there is evidence he has drunk
some water on his own. He is on a heating pad. He is resting comfortably.
Next update tomorrow afternoon sometime.

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Jennifer Lewis <blonded...@mac.com> wrote:

> Best wishes and prayers
>
> On Sep 26, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Kelley S wrote:
>
> Well, I got him up to the vet.  He is dehydrated and had lost weight.   He
> has an ulcer on his tongue but nothing worse than some he has had in the
> past and his mouth looked better than I expected, though I was hoping it
> was something like  that that a steroid shot would help. The primary issues
> the FELV has caused him in the past have been stomatitis and mouth ulcers
> and persistent uri.   His body temp is low.  I forget the number but at
> least 2 degrees too low.  They are keeping him and giving him supportive
> care while they try to figure out what is wrong.  They have him on a
> heating pad and are administering fluids.  I left him there and then we
> went to get something to eat because I was shaky.  I have now been up over
> 24 hours.  I just called and he did eat a tablespoon and a half of food on
> his own for them, so perhaps his condition is not as dire as I feared,
> though his condition remains guarded.  I hope any of this made sense I'm
> more tired than I have been in a long time and I want to try to stay up til
> 6 for the vet's call or I will never wake up when the phone rings
>
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Kelley S <moonv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We have an appointment at 9:40.  Bless Dr Smith I am sure he was quite
>> booked today.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>>> Healing vibes for Merlin. Please let us know what you find out.
>>>
>>> Best hopes and wishes,
>>>
>>> Lance
>>>
>>> On Sep 26, 2015, at 6:27 AM, Kelley S <moonv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks.  Dr Smith opens up at 8, so I'm waiting for it to be 8.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 6:20 AM, kat <merrykatme...@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kelley,
>>>>
>>>> Sending stay-strong, healing prayers to both you & Merlin.  Please let
>>>> us know what the vet says.
>>>>
>>>> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 26, 2015 at 4:10 AM
>>>> *From:* "Kelley S" <moonv...@gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* felvtalk <Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>>>> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Very worried about Merlin
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Merlin has stopped eating his wet food.  I had noticed more and more
>>>> food remaining in the FELV cat room and watched him carefully tonight.  He
>>>> is also not grooming.  He DID pass a normal amount of stool (which I guess
>>>> means he has been eating something), unfortunately he passed the stool on
>>>> his blankie and then lay down right there.  I am going to try to get him
>>>> into the vet in the am, but it is Saturday and I know he will be busy.  If
>>>> he can't work me in I am going to at least try to get some AD and see if I
>>>> can syringe feed it to him.
>>>>
>>>> Kelley
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Re: [Felvtalk] Big Pharma

2015-09-22 Thread Kelley S
I really wish I could see the initial posts..I've been complaining about
this for a while and not gotten any suggestions

On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Amani Oakley 
wrote:

> I don't disagree with that sentiment, but I have to tell you that Winstrol
> is not "big pharma". In fact, one of my frustrations is that there is a
> medication out there which has proven itself to be extremely beneficial in
> treating a lethal condition in cats, and yet most vets either don't know
> about it or don't prescribe it. Winstrol, and other anabolic steroids, have
> been blackballed by the scientific community because they hane been used as
> a performance enhancing drug by athletes. Some of you who follow these
> things will recall that it was Winstrol (Stanozolol) which was found in
> Canadian Ben Johnson's samples which got him stripped of the gold medal in
> running in the 1988 Olympics. Frankly, I don't understand why this
> association with illegal use in athletes should mean that the scientific
> community as a whole refuses to look at the effectiveness of this group of
> drugs. Moreover, looking at the scientific studies that do exist makes it
> clear that there are no solid studie
>  s linking the use of these drugs to the many scary side effects the
> public always hears about. Even if side effects do exist (as they do with
> virtually every drug out there) athletes abuse these drugs by using them in
> huge doses and "stacked" in combination with all kinds of other drugs, so
> this is hardly reflective of how these drugs are supposed to be used, or
> would be used in a medical context.
>
> We aren't professional athletes, and many cats the world over are
> suffering from lethal conditions like leukemia, and yet, instead of being
> told that there MAY be a medication that could help (and I'm not of course
> saying it always does), we are instead routinely told there is nothing we
> can do but watch our babies fade away from the infection.
>
> It is obvious that Winstrol is not on the "Big Pharma" approved list
> because it is difficult to obtain, even from the vets, and they are pretty
> skeptical about it, so it certainly isn't a medication which is being
> "pushed" or promoted by "Big Pharma". With Zander, when he recovered from
> what was clearly a death spiral (his PCV was 5% and he couldn't move, and
> couldn't breathe without an oxygen tent over his head), and even though I
> had meticulously run and collected his blood work both before and after the
> use of Winstrol, some vets started to question whether he had had leukemia
> in the first place. So, when the medication works when it isn't supposed
> to, then the vets start saying that maybe he wasn't dying after all.
>
> I tried Winstrol on Zander out of sheer desperation. When we were told he
> couldn't have any more blood transfusions because he had reacted to his
> second one, we were giving him the LTCI injections and following his blood
> work closely. The LTCI was doing nothing and I was watching his PCV drop
> lower and lower again. When it reached 10 (after a high of only about 16
> after the blood transfusions), I knew I was going to lose him soon with no
> other options available (after scouring the internet and speaking to
> experts everywhere). I literally went through the drawer I keep all the cat
> medications for all the emergency cat fostering I do, and I found Winstrol.
> It had been given to me years before by another vet for a cat with FIP, but
> the cat had passed away so quickly, I had had no time to even try the
> medication. I remembered that the vet had said that the Winstrol MAY help
> to stimulate appetite and make the cat feel better. I had nothing else so I
> figured, what the hell, and use
>  d it on Zander. I expected NOTHING. Three days later, I noticed this very
> very slight blush on his so-pale gums, and I was pretty sure I was making
> it up because I was so desperate. I showed my husband. He too thought he
> saw something but both of us figured we were just so desperate for a
> miracle that we were hallucinating. We took Zander to the vets that
> Saturday for bloodwork, and his PCV came back at 12. We couldn't believe it
> and obviously remained skeptical. But week after week, the PCV climbed
> steadily until it was in the 30's, and he was eating and playing long
> before that.
>
> I don't think it is a miracle cure at all, but I do think it is a very
> good option for leukemia, and I remain frustrated that this option is not
> being offered in most situations where a cat has leukemia. It makes no
> sense to me, and doesn't to this day, that most people are not even told
> about the option of using it, when there are really no other decent
> treatments out there and the odds of the cat surviving this infection are
> really really poor. Because I had such an amazing response with Zander and
> his leukemia, I have used it in other situations where again we are told
> the vets have no 

Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

2015-09-21 Thread Kelley S
Regarding the Winstrol, are there any scientific studies I can show my vet?

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Kelley S <moonv...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am having a problem with the list.  I never see the initial posts (for
> example I did not see this one) , and there were many replies before the
> thread hit my inbox.Merlin is hanging in there.
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
> wrote:
>
>> That’s exactly what it does. In humans, it is also given to treat severe
>> non responsive genetic anemia. However, it is an anabolic steroid which
>> athletes use, so it is also excellent to build muscle mass in cats that are
>> wasting and as I mentioned, it is a superb appetite stimulant.
>>
>>
>>
>> Quite unfortunately in my opinion, it got a bad reputation because (a)
>> athletes abuse it and (b) there was this observation in the vet world that
>> it caused liver damage. When our beautiful little Zander had his miraculous
>> turn-around, I waited a full year to contact the internal medicine
>> specialist who had seen in him in the ER clinic and had administered blood
>> transfusions to Zander. That vet and everyone else had told us that there
>> was nothing else that could be done when Zander reacted to the second blood
>> transfusion, and we were told a third transfusion would likely kill him as
>> he had now developed antibodies to the foreign red cells. When I called
>> this vet to tell him of Zander’s amazing turn-around and the fact that
>> Zander was actually still alive and doing very well after a year, the
>> internist said to me that I had “gone old school” in using the Winstrol.
>> When I asked him what he meant, he explained that they used to use Winstrol
>> all the time for leukemia and a host of other conditions in cats, but they
>> had stopped when some talk at some vet conference suggested that it might
>> cause liver damage. I explained that we had followed Zander’s blood work
>> closely, and while we did see a rise in some liver enzymes eventually, they
>> went back to normal after tapering the medication, and there were no
>> lasting problems with the liver. We have now seen this in several other
>> cats with other conditions like sarcoma, FIP, etc. We have had good
>> response to the Winstrol in almost every scenario we have tried it (and we
>> always take the sickest of the sickest cats to look after), and
>> occasionally we seek a spike in liver enzymes but it doesn’t affect the
>> cats and it disappears with no lasting effect on the liver.
>>
>>
>>
>> Amani
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
>> Of *Jenn Trotter
>> *Sent:* September-21-15 1:25 PM
>>
>> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list
>>
>>
>>
>> Amani - I am interested in Winstrol. Is that something that has been
>> tested to help non-regenerative anemia?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Katherine
>>
>>
>>
>> See my email regarding use of Winstrol. I tried LTCI injections on our
>> little boy, while monitoring him extremely closely with weekly blood work.
>> The LTCI did absolutely nothing for him, though we tried it for at least
>> six months. As soon as I put him on the Winstrol, and again, running weekly
>> blood work, his red blood cell numbers began to climb – and I mean within
>> days of starting the medication. They continued to climb, as did his
>> platelets which had also been running low. His reticulocyte count
>> (measuring new red cell production) also went up, and it had been at almost
>> zero for more than 8 months before the Winstrol. We had given him several
>> blood transfusions because he just wasn’t producing any red cells himself.
>>
>>
>>
>> Amani
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
>> Of *Katherine K.
>> *Sent:* September-21-15 11:24 AM
>> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list
>>
>>
>>
>> We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual
>> check up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old
>> cat Krammer used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May
>> unfortunately, and is now down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of
>> Prednisolone to stimulate appetite. I'm debating whether to buy more LTCI
>>

Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

2015-09-21 Thread Kelley S
I am having a problem with the list.  I never see the initial posts (for
example I did not see this one) , and there were many replies before the
thread hit my inbox.Merlin is hanging in there.

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley 
wrote:

> That’s exactly what it does. In humans, it is also given to treat severe
> non responsive genetic anemia. However, it is an anabolic steroid which
> athletes use, so it is also excellent to build muscle mass in cats that are
> wasting and as I mentioned, it is a superb appetite stimulant.
>
>
>
> Quite unfortunately in my opinion, it got a bad reputation because (a)
> athletes abuse it and (b) there was this observation in the vet world that
> it caused liver damage. When our beautiful little Zander had his miraculous
> turn-around, I waited a full year to contact the internal medicine
> specialist who had seen in him in the ER clinic and had administered blood
> transfusions to Zander. That vet and everyone else had told us that there
> was nothing else that could be done when Zander reacted to the second blood
> transfusion, and we were told a third transfusion would likely kill him as
> he had now developed antibodies to the foreign red cells. When I called
> this vet to tell him of Zander’s amazing turn-around and the fact that
> Zander was actually still alive and doing very well after a year, the
> internist said to me that I had “gone old school” in using the Winstrol.
> When I asked him what he meant, he explained that they used to use Winstrol
> all the time for leukemia and a host of other conditions in cats, but they
> had stopped when some talk at some vet conference suggested that it might
> cause liver damage. I explained that we had followed Zander’s blood work
> closely, and while we did see a rise in some liver enzymes eventually, they
> went back to normal after tapering the medication, and there were no
> lasting problems with the liver. We have now seen this in several other
> cats with other conditions like sarcoma, FIP, etc. We have had good
> response to the Winstrol in almost every scenario we have tried it (and we
> always take the sickest of the sickest cats to look after), and
> occasionally we seek a spike in liver enzymes but it doesn’t affect the
> cats and it disappears with no lasting effect on the liver.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Jenn Trotter
> *Sent:* September-21-15 1:25 PM
>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list
>
>
>
> Amani - I am interested in Winstrol. Is that something that has been
> tested to help non-regenerative anemia?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Amani Oakley 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Katherine
>
>
>
> See my email regarding use of Winstrol. I tried LTCI injections on our
> little boy, while monitoring him extremely closely with weekly blood work.
> The LTCI did absolutely nothing for him, though we tried it for at least
> six months. As soon as I put him on the Winstrol, and again, running weekly
> blood work, his red blood cell numbers began to climb – and I mean within
> days of starting the medication. They continued to climb, as did his
> platelets which had also been running low. His reticulocyte count
> (measuring new red cell production) also went up, and it had been at almost
> zero for more than 8 months before the Winstrol. We had given him several
> blood transfusions because he just wasn’t producing any red cells himself.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Katherine K.
> *Sent:* September-21-15 11:24 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list
>
>
>
> We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual
> check up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old
> cat Krammer used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May
> unfortunately, and is now down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of
> Prednisolone to stimulate appetite. I'm debating whether to buy more LTCI
> injections - he's had them monthly for the past 2 years but they're just so
> costly and hard to measure if they actually do anything.  Sigh.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis 
> wrote:
>
> All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
> Jennifer L
>
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in
> > awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well.
> > Best wishes.
> >
> > James G Wilson - phaedru...@comcast.net
> > (217) 816-8680 (cell)
> > http://weather62704.us (Weather for Springfield, IL)
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Re: [Felvtalk] My Harley is gone

2015-05-15 Thread Kelley S
I'm so sorry your sweet boy is gone.  Thank you for loving him and making
the best decisions for him.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 I’m so sorry to read that Harley is gone, Marsha. I’m glad that he had
 some good moments over the last few days. Difficult as it was, you made a
 choice to not let him suffer, and you made that choice with the same love
 you shared with him throughout his life.

 Take care.

 Lance

  On May 15, 2015, at 8:24 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:
 
  My sweet little FeLV+ Harley, just barely 5 years old, went to join his
 buddy Milkdud across the Rainbow Bridge today.  There is a pet cremation
 service about an hour from me that does individual cremations, and you can
 arrange to attend if you want to.  I put his catnip heart in with him, and
 a dandelion blossom, covered him with the petals from a red rose, and then
 let some of my tears drop onto him.  I sat with him outside in a glider
 chair until they were ready for him.  The weather was nice, and I looked
 out into a peaceful wooded area.  Only the very slightest breeze, so the
 rose petals didn't blow away.  I carried him inside when they were ready,
 but didn't remain for the process.  I chose an urn that looks like a black
 cat (like Harley) crouching to pounce on a mouse.  I may put it in his
 favorite hunting spot, if it doesn't upset Brock (Harley's FeLV+ roommate).
 
  The last several days, Harley could only have broth (tuna juice, the
 juice from Fancy Feast Appetizers, etc.) and he had a difficult time
 getting even that down due to the growth of his cancer.  Rather than take
 the chance of him choking on his broth over the weekend, I took him to the
 vet to help him cross over.  He remained in bed nearly all the time the
 last 3 days, but thanks to his pain meds, he did enjoy some pets, tummy
 rubs, and naps in his last days.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Harley Brock

2015-04-28 Thread Kelley S
I'm so sorry.  There is a good Yahoo feline heart disease group.  I lost my
Missy to heart disease.

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:

 Harley has been with me 4.5 years, since he was a kitten of almost 4
 months old, FeLV+ since then.  Brock was adopted as a companion for Harley
 7 months ago, after Harley's FeLV+ buddy Milkdud died last May.

 Harley was diagnosed with cancer in the middle ear  jaw area in March,
 and he had one palliative radiation treatment at the end of March.  He was
 supposed to get his 2nd treatment a few days later, and the tumor had grown
 just enough that he could not be intubated. No anesthesia = no radiation
 treatment.  The tumor is causing some pressure behind his right eye, and is
 pressing on the inner ear also, causing balance issues sometimes.  He gets
 meloxicam and buprenorphine (extended release) every 3 days, and this keeps
 him comfortable enough to eat (soft food  liquid), groom a little, roll
 over for belly rubs, and once in a while bat a toy, scratch on his Turbo
 Scratcher with the light-up ball, or rub his nose on a catnip toy.

 Brock gave me a shock.  I took him in for a voracious appetite without
 gaining weight, and itchiness around the head and neck, thinking maybe
 hyperthyroidism.  Blood work showed potential kidney issue, urinalysis the
 same, high blood pressure.  An ultrasound was scheduled to look at the
 kidneys, and everybody was surprise to find he had free fluid in his
 abdominal area.  110 cc of chyle was drawn off, needle aspirations taken of
 kidney and liver.  Almost certainly lymphoma, they thought.  Cytology came
 back negative for that, and he went to see a cardiologist and get an
 echocardiogram.  Final diagnosis:  restrictive cardiomyopathy with
 congestive heart failure.  He is only 4-5 years old.  He does not look or
 act like anything is wrong, and the physical exam never suggested he had
 that pleural effusion in there.  Now he is on 4 heart meds, and a potassium
 supplement.  The pleural effusion is under control for now, but I've been
 told this kind of cardiomyopathy is the worst of 3 kinds.

 Marsha, Harley,  Brock

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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

2015-02-23 Thread Kelley S
Hi Lance,

I've been doing some reading on stomatitis since Merls has been diagnosed
with it.  There's a product called Plaque Off that is supposed to help with
dental issues.  It's composed entirely of seaweed so it won't do any harm
in any case.  Best wishes for both the kitties. Please keep us posted.
That's odd they suspect calici.  Have they been exposed to any other cats?

Kelley

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 The cats went in this morning. Sidney’s drooling and inappetence were
 almost certainly related to dental issues. His teeth were cleaned, and some
 teeth were pulled. Since he was under, they gave him nutrients.

 I’m a little concerned that they sent Metacam for Sidney. I would prefer
 my parents didn’t give that to any of their animals. It might not cause a
 problem, but if it does, it’s an understatement to call it serious.

 Callie was hydrated, and they did some testing. I don’t know the details
 since I wasn’t there. Her situation is more uncertain.  The vet thinks she
 might be dealing with feline calicivirus, but it’s also possible that she
 has an autoimmune condition. They’ve put her on Carafate (Sucralfate) every
 six hours to help treat the ulcers.
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

2015-02-23 Thread Kelley S
Lance,

I was referring to Callie...I'm assuming they have been vaccinated?  I've
only seen calicivirus in a shelter pull and that was a kittenit just
seems odd they would be exposed to it.  I wonder if it can lie dormant and
surface later?

In the one case of Calici I did run across the kitten turned out fine.  We
had to syringe feed him due to the abcesses in his mouth, but he had a 100%
recovery.

Kelley

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 Sidney may have had some brushes with another cat, but those have been
 fleeting. As far as I know, he hasn’t been bitten or scratched.

 Thanks for mentioning Plaque Off. I need to look into that.

 On Feb 23, 2015, at 4:47 PM, Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Lance,

 I've been doing some reading on stomatitis since Merls has been diagnosed
 with it.  There's a product called Plaque Off that is supposed to help with
 dental issues.  It's composed entirely of seaweed so it won't do any harm
 in any case.  Best wishes for both the kitties. Please keep us posted.
 That's odd they suspect calici.  Have they been exposed to any other cats?

 Kelley

 On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 The cats went in this morning. Sidney’s drooling and inappetence were
 almost certainly related to dental issues. His teeth were cleaned, and some
 teeth were pulled. Since he was under, they gave him nutrients.

 I’m a little concerned that they sent Metacam for Sidney. I would prefer
 my parents didn’t give that to any of their animals. It might not cause a
 problem, but if it does, it’s an understatement to call it serious.

 Callie was hydrated, and they did some testing. I don’t know the details
 since I wasn’t there. Her situation is more uncertain.  The vet thinks she
 might be dealing with feline calicivirus, but it’s also possible that she
 has an autoimmune condition. They’ve put her on Carafate (Sucralfate) every
 six hours to help treat the ulcers.
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

2015-02-23 Thread Kelley S
Lance,

The c in the FVRCP vaccine is calicivirus.  It covers calici,
Rhinotracheitis,
and
Panleukopenia.   Current recommendations are for the initial series as a
kitten, then a booster not more often than every 3 years.   I'm just trying
to figure out how on earth she could possibly have been exposed.

Kelley

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 5:03 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 I see. I mentioned Sidney because he’s the only one who might have met
 another cat. Callie is strictly indoors, and the only cat she meets is
 Sidney.

 I’m not sure about vaccinations. If that’s a core vaccine, then she
 probably had it when she was a kitten. Neither cat has had a recent
 vaccination.

 On Feb 23, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

 Lance,

 I was referring to Callie...I'm assuming they have been vaccinated?  I've
 only seen calicivirus in a shelter pull and that was a kittenit just
 seems odd they would be exposed to it.  I wonder if it can lie dormant and
 surface later?

 In the one case of Calici I did run across the kitten turned out fine.  We
 had to syringe feed him due to the abcesses in his mouth, but he had a 100%
 recovery.

 Kelley

 On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 Sidney may have had some brushes with another cat, but those have been
 fleeting. As far as I know, he hasn’t been bitten or scratched.

 Thanks for mentioning Plaque Off. I need to look into that.



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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

2015-02-23 Thread Kelley S
Marsha,

I don't think ANY vaccine can possibly hope to cover all the various
strains of anything.  I just find it so odd that a mature cat would all of
a sudden come down with calici, as their immune systems, absent FELV, are
quite well developed after a year of age.  I'm not a vet and am not trying
to doubt their diagnosis.  Just trying to figure it out.

Kelley

On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:

 Sounds like a good plan.


 On 2/23/2015 4:57 PM, Lance wrote:

 I would prefer buprenex (the compounded liquid version if possible) or
 tramadol. We may have some tramadol here. I don’t think we’re going to give
 Sidney anything tonight, but I’ve put the metacam somewhere that will
 require deliberate consideration rather than “Oh, there’s that thing we
 give to Sidney. I’ll do it now.”



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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

2015-02-22 Thread Kelley S
Honestly at this point I'm thinking infection and get them to the vet asap
Monday.

On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 1:18 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 DOES THEIR BOX OR BOXES GET CLEANED EVERY DAY?  I HAVE 4 CATS AT PRESENT
 AND 6 BOXES (LEFT OVER FROM 8 CATS) AND THEY ALL GET CLEANED MORNING AND
 EVENING TO PREVENT AN INFECTION FROM TRANSFERRING FROM ONE CAT TO ANOTHER.
 I USE BLUE BUFFALO MULTI CAT AND WORLD'S GREATEST BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH
 BIODEGRADEABLE AND I HAVE AN ESTABLISHED SPOT TO DISPOSE OF USED LITTER.
 IT BREAKS DOWN AND BECOMES PART OF THE SOIL.


  Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote:
  But it isn't really likely that they both have a UTI at the same
  time...what are you feeding them?  Could there be a problem with the
 food?
  Other than that I am thinking something contagious..I just don't know
 what:(
 
  On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 8:13 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 
   DO THEY BOTH HAVE URINE BACTERIA?
   IS THERE A PLANT IN THE HOUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE EATEN ON?
   HOW ARE THEY WITH THE LITTER BOX?  WHEN HARLEY HAD A UTI AND STONES, HE
   DID NOT EVEN GO NEAR THE BOX, BUT EVERY WHERE ELSE.  IF THEY USE THE
 BOX,
   ARE THE URINE CLUMPS NORMAL SIZE OR SMALL?
   HOMEY AND HARLEY BOTH HAVE HAD UTI'S AND BOTH AVOIDED THE BOX AND I
 SPENT
   A FORTUNE ON PAPER TOWELS AND STUFF TO CLEAN UP PUDDLES.  THEY BOTH
 WERE
   OFF THEIR FEED, LAID AROUND
  
    Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:
Hi everyone,
  
   I have good reason to believe that the cats I mention below are
 negatives.
   I’m not 100% sure, but one of them has had no exposure to my angel
 Ember in
   the last nine years, and the other one who did have a run-in was
 tested at
   36 days out and then about a year out. Both tests came back negative.
  
   Our 9yro cat Callie stayed on her blanket all day Wednesday, which
 isn’t
   unusual in general cat behavior, but a bit off. On Thursday, she hid
 under
   the bed and acted scared whenever she came out (tail down and dashing
 to
   get somewhere). She popped out a few times to follow a toy I was
 tempting
   her with, but she would go back to hiding in short order. We realized
 that
   she hadn’t been eating (she feels thinner to me), and I noticed that
 her
   coat seemed different, though I can’t explain how. Maybe a bit more
 dull,
   but not really?
  
   Callie was taken to the vet on Friday. Bloodwork looked normal (I’m not
   sure what they tested, but I imagine it was a CBC with some metabolism)
   though her potassium level was low. The vet thought this was due to
 her not
   eating. They x-rayed her (pretty normal), checked her heart (normal),
   palpated her (normal), took temperature (no fever), so they kept her
 for
   the day to see if they could find out more. After getting a sample,
 her vet
   said  her urine had a lot of bacteria in it. They gave her a shot
   (Convenia, I’m guessing) and asked to see her in two weeks or sooner
 if she
   doesn’t start to feel better.
  
   Around Wednesday, I noticed that our other cat, 11.5yro Sidney, felt
 like
   he might have lost some weight. It turned out that he also had not been
   eating. Sidney’s behavior was more normal for him, but he
 didn’t/doesn’t
   feel well. He was taken to the vet today, and unfortunately, I only
 have a
   vague picture of how that went. The tech thought she saw an ulcer in
   Sidney’s mouth, but the vet said he might have some inflammation and
   scheduled him for a dental. He got fluids and a shot (again, probably
   Convenia) and was sent home.
  
   Sidney is drooling quite a bit and hasn’t eaten since this morning.
 He’s
   clearly not feeling well, but he’s keeping closer to his normal
 routine,
   whereas Callie is not. She probably hasn’t had time to bounce back
 yet, but
   she’s still not eating; only drinking a little. She’s a little more
   interactive, but nowhere near normal.
  
   We’re tempting them with everything we can including tuna, Fancy Feast
   Chicken, treats, snacks, etc. I don’t think we can do much more other
 than
   keep looking for things that they can’t resist at least nibbling on.
  
   I’m wondering what my fellow cat guardians think of this situation. It
   seems unusual that two adult cats would get sick at the same time.
  
   Lance
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Re: [Felvtalk] [OT] two sick cats

2015-02-21 Thread Kelley S
But it isn't really likely that they both have a UTI at the same
time...what are you feeding them?  Could there be a problem with the food?
Other than that I am thinking something contagious..I just don't know what:(

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 8:13 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 DO THEY BOTH HAVE URINE BACTERIA?
 IS THERE A PLANT IN THE HOUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE EATEN ON?
 HOW ARE THEY WITH THE LITTER BOX?  WHEN HARLEY HAD A UTI AND STONES, HE
 DID NOT EVEN GO NEAR THE BOX, BUT EVERY WHERE ELSE.  IF THEY USE THE BOX,
 ARE THE URINE CLUMPS NORMAL SIZE OR SMALL?
 HOMEY AND HARLEY BOTH HAVE HAD UTI'S AND BOTH AVOIDED THE BOX AND I SPENT
 A FORTUNE ON PAPER TOWELS AND STUFF TO CLEAN UP PUDDLES.  THEY BOTH WERE
 OFF THEIR FEED, LAID AROUND

  Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:
  Hi everyone,

 I have good reason to believe that the cats I mention below are negatives.
 I’m not 100% sure, but one of them has had no exposure to my angel Ember in
 the last nine years, and the other one who did have a run-in was tested at
 36 days out and then about a year out. Both tests came back negative.

 Our 9yro cat Callie stayed on her blanket all day Wednesday, which isn’t
 unusual in general cat behavior, but a bit off. On Thursday, she hid under
 the bed and acted scared whenever she came out (tail down and dashing to
 get somewhere). She popped out a few times to follow a toy I was tempting
 her with, but she would go back to hiding in short order. We realized that
 she hadn’t been eating (she feels thinner to me), and I noticed that her
 coat seemed different, though I can’t explain how. Maybe a bit more dull,
 but not really?

 Callie was taken to the vet on Friday. Bloodwork looked normal (I’m not
 sure what they tested, but I imagine it was a CBC with some metabolism)
 though her potassium level was low. The vet thought this was due to her not
 eating. They x-rayed her (pretty normal), checked her heart (normal),
 palpated her (normal), took temperature (no fever), so they kept her for
 the day to see if they could find out more. After getting a sample, her vet
 said  her urine had a lot of bacteria in it. They gave her a shot
 (Convenia, I’m guessing) and asked to see her in two weeks or sooner if she
 doesn’t start to feel better.

 Around Wednesday, I noticed that our other cat, 11.5yro Sidney, felt like
 he might have lost some weight. It turned out that he also had not been
 eating. Sidney’s behavior was more normal for him, but he didn’t/doesn’t
 feel well. He was taken to the vet today, and unfortunately, I only have a
 vague picture of how that went. The tech thought she saw an ulcer in
 Sidney’s mouth, but the vet said he might have some inflammation and
 scheduled him for a dental. He got fluids and a shot (again, probably
 Convenia) and was sent home.

 Sidney is drooling quite a bit and hasn’t eaten since this morning. He’s
 clearly not feeling well, but he’s keeping closer to his normal routine,
 whereas Callie is not. She probably hasn’t had time to bounce back yet, but
 she’s still not eating; only drinking a little. She’s a little more
 interactive, but nowhere near normal.

 We’re tempting them with everything we can including tuna, Fancy Feast
 Chicken, treats, snacks, etc. I don’t think we can do much more other than
 keep looking for things that they can’t resist at least nibbling on.

 I’m wondering what my fellow cat guardians think of this situation. It
 seems unusual that two adult cats would get sick at the same time.

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[Felvtalk] Thought some might be interested in this

2015-02-16 Thread Kelley S
http://feline-nutrition.org/health/nutrition-is-vital-for-felv-cats
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[Felvtalk] Merlin - good news bad news

2015-01-30 Thread Kelley S
Well folks,

The good news is - Merlin has gained a lot of weight.  .  Went from 5.6 to
7.5.   He eats wet food consistently and a little dry food.  I have him on
grain-free canned.

The bad news is his congestion has not gotten any better.  He still has no
ocular or nasal involvement. The OTHER bad news is that his mouth looks
dreadful.  He is now diagnosed formally with stomatitis.  He got a
cortisone shot and a prescription for zithro.  Walgreens wants $90 for it.
Not happening.  As I have a scrip I was able to source it easily online,
but discovered my old source for zithro suspension, 1drugstore-online.com,
is gone.  Does anyone have a current source for ordering zithro online with
out a scrip?

Thanks,

Kelley and Merlin
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Re: [Felvtalk] So frustrated

2015-01-21 Thread Kelley S
Thanks Margo.  I expect Dr Garden would be best, but I am just highly
uncomfortable with spending $600 on a cold.  Then if someone God forbid
breaks their leg or something in the middle of the night I'm screwed.  I
will ask Dr Smith about this.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:45 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
wrote:

  Kelley,

 Sorry this has been so frustrating. I want to comment o
 one particular statement;

 it is likely the URI panel will tell
 us the cause is viral, in which case antibiotics were never indicated to
 begin with and there is no cure for a virus.

  That's not entirely true. The panel might target which
 antibiotic would actually work if it's a secondary bacterial infection.
 But, it IS more likely that it was basically viral. I know you said you
 love this Vet, but perhaps she's not familiar with the use of famciclovir
 inn cats with URI's. It doesn't work with anything but herpes, but since
 that is a frequent cause of URI in cats, it's certainly worth a shot. I've
 had very good results with it, and it has become one of my first lines of
 defense for my FeLV babies. If they sniffle or sneeze more than 24 hours,
 they start on it.

 This article addresses t's use in Herpes, focusing on the ocular aspect,
 but dosing is discussed, and the URI  connection;

 http://www.vscot.com/LibraryForms/FamciclovirUseFelineHerpes.pdf

 This covers a study with URIs as well as ocular and dermatitis...

 Maybe someone will let you try it.

 HTH,



 Margo

 -Original Message-
 From: Kelley S
 Sent: Jan 21, 2015 7:23 PM
 To: felvtalk
 Subject: [Felvtalk] So frustrated

 Well, it has been over a month and Merlin still has a cold. He has no
 ocular or nasal involvement. He has sneezing and congestion. When I took
 him to the vet in my new location, he diagnosed him with a mouth tumor.
 Also gave him antibiotics. I took him back for surgery a week later. I
 called that am and told them he was still symptomatic and asked if they
 wanted me to bring him in and they said yes because they thought the tumor
 may be contributing to his breathing problem.

 I contacted the holistic vet up here and they gave me an estimate of $600.
 The office visit is $200, which I actually get because they give you an
 entire hour. Then they want to run a URI panel, which is another $200, and
 then some other test which I can't remember. Merlin is worth any amount of
 money to me, but I do have other cats and I just have a problem spending
 $600 on a cold when either he or they may need something more urgently
 later and if I have already spent money I will not have the money then.

 So I called my old holistic vet, who I dearly love. I told her what this
 vet wanted to do, and she asked who the vet was, I told her, she said she
 knew of her but did not know her. So she said the URI panel will tell
 what is causing the URI, but as he has had antibiotics additional
 antibiotics are not going to help, so it is likely the URI panel will tell
 us the cause is viral, in which case antibiotics were never indicated to
 begin with and there is no cure for a virus. So that's basically a waste
 of $200. That concerns me. My old vet didn't come right out and say it
 but I don't think she is pleased with this vet. She doesn't think Merlin
 should have been under anaesthesia a week after tx for a cold. Also the
 vet apparently gave him 2 doses of Revolution a week apart. He did not
 tell me or charge me for the last one but it is in his chart. Also he took
 2 teeth out and did not tell me. So, does he need a dental? If so I would
 have highly preferred them to call and ask to do it while he was already
 under.

 My holistic vet wants him to be on Natrum Muriaticum, which I looked up and
 it is table salt. At least if that is a waste of money it will be a waste
 of .88. Also wants him nebulized with saline, and on a raw diet which I am
 lagging badly in having him on.

 By the way, I am not getting anyone's initial posts here. Sometimes I get
 the follow ups. No way to tell if I am getting them all.

 Kelley, Merlin, and Coco.


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[Felvtalk] So frustrated

2015-01-21 Thread Kelley S
Well, it has been over a month and Merlin still has a cold.  He has no
ocular or nasal involvement.  He has sneezing and congestion.  When I took
him to the vet in my new location, he diagnosed him with a mouth tumor.
Also gave him antibiotics.  I took him back for surgery a week later. I
called that am and told them he was still symptomatic and asked if they
wanted me to bring him in and they said yes because they thought the tumor
may be contributing to his breathing problem.

I contacted the holistic vet up here and they gave me an estimate of $600.
The office visit is $200, which I actually get because they give you an
entire hour.  Then they want to run a URI panel, which is another $200, and
then some other test which I can't remember.  Merlin is worth any amount of
money to me, but I do have other cats and I just have a problem spending
$600 on a cold when either he or they may need something more urgently
later and if I have already spent money I will not have the money then.

So I called my old holistic vet, who I dearly love.  I told her what this
vet wanted to do, and she asked who the vet was, I told her, she said she
knew of her but did not know her.   So she said the URI panel will tell
what is causing the URI, but as he has had antibiotics additional
antibiotics are not going to help, so it is likely the URI panel will tell
us the cause is viral, in which case antibiotics were never indicated to
begin with and there is no cure for a virus.  So that's basically a waste
of $200.  That concerns me.  My old vet didn't come right out and say it
but I don't think she is pleased with this vet.  She doesn't think Merlin
should have been under anaesthesia a week after tx for a cold.  Also the
vet apparently gave him 2 doses of Revolution a week apart.  He did not
tell me or charge me for the last one but it is in his chart.  Also he took
2 teeth out and did not tell me.  So, does he need a dental?  If so I would
have highly preferred them to call and ask to do it while he was already
under.

My holistic vet wants him to be on Natrum Muriaticum, which I looked up and
it is table salt.  At least if that is a waste of money it will be a waste
of .88.  Also wants him nebulized with saline, and on a raw diet which I am
lagging badly in having him on.

By the way, I am not getting anyone's initial posts here.  Sometimes I get
the follow ups.  No way to tell if I am getting them all.

Kelley, Merlin, and Coco.
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Re: [Felvtalk] So frustrated

2015-01-21 Thread Kelley S
I mailed this url to Dr Smith.  Thank you.

On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:

  Thanks for posting that link, Margo.  I'll save it and print a copy to
 take to the vet next time I have to deal with a URI.  I asked about it
 during Harley's hospitalization, but the vet wasn't familiar with its use
 in cats, and tends to be cautious with newer things.  Would have been nice
 if Harley's hospital stay could have been shortened.10-11 days and
 around $7800.  Going to have to shorten my sabbatical.  Funny thing about
 the sabbatical - I haven't accomplished all I set out to do, but am so
 thankful that it gave me the time to spend with Milkdud in his last few
 weeks on Earth, and I also had the time to focus on Harley and visit him
 every day, sometimes even for an hour or more.  No stress from work, asking
 for days off, or getting no sleep in between shifts.

 Marsha

 On 1/21/2015 6:45 PM, Margo wrote:

  That's not entirely true. The panel might target which
 antibiotic would actually work if it's a secondary bacterial infection.
 But, it IS more likely that it was basically viral. I know you said you
 love this Vet, but perhaps she's not familiar with the use of famciclovir
 inn cats with URI's. It doesn't work with anything but herpes, but since
 that is a frequent cause of URI in cats, it's certainly worth a shot. I've
 had very good results with it, and it has become one of my first lines of
 defense for my FeLV babies. If they sniffle or sneeze more than 24 hours,
 they start on it.

 This article addresses t's use in Herpes, focusing on the ocular aspect,
 but dosing is discussed, and the URI  connection;

 http://www.vscot.com/LibraryForms/FamciclovirUseFelineHerpes.pdf

 This covers a study with URIs as well as ocular and dermatitis...

 Maybe someone will let you try it.



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[Felvtalk] Merlin has a mouth tumor

2014-12-23 Thread Kelley S
Well folks,

Pretty much what the subject line says.  My baby boy Merlin has a mouth
tumor  The vet feels it is benign, of course we will not know that for sure
until it is out  Surgery is scheduled for Monday.  d have had him to the
vet sooner but my friend and I were both too sick to get out of bed before
today.

Would you go ahead with surgery/  My feeling is yes as he is otherwise
healthy but wanted to hear your thoughts.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlin has a mouth tumor

2014-12-23 Thread Kelley S
It is in the corner of the mouth and yes the vet believes that is part of
the reason for the weight loss (in addition to the URI)

On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:

 Where in the mouth is it located?  Is it causing problems with eating or
 swallowing?

 Marsha


 On 12/23/2014 5:56 PM, Kelley S wrote:

 Well folks,

 Pretty much what the subject line says.  My baby boy Merlin has a mouth
 tumor  The vet feels it is benign, of course we will not know that for sure
 until it is out  Surgery is scheduled for Monday.  d have had him to the
 vet sooner but my friend and I were both too sick to get out of bed before
 today.

 Would you go ahead with surgery/  My feeling is yes as he is otherwise
 healthy but wanted to hear your thoughts.

 Kelley



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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlin has a mouth tumor

2014-12-23 Thread Kelley S
It hasn't yet   The vet wants to wait until Monday or Tuesday of next week

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 12:10 AM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:

  Has the URI cleared up as far as breathing is concerned?  If not, I'd
 wait a bit.

 Marsha

 On 12/23/2014 11:58 PM, Kelley S wrote:

 It is in the corner of the mouth and yes the vet believes that is part of
 the reason for the weight loss (in addition to the URI)

 On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:

 Where in the mouth is it located?  Is it causing problems with eating or
 swallowing?

 Marsha


 On 12/23/2014 5:56 PM, Kelley S wrote:

 Well folks,

 Pretty much what the subject line says.  My baby boy Merlin has a mouth
 tumor  The vet feels it is benign, of course we will not know that for sure
 until it is out  Surgery is scheduled for Monday.  d have had him to the
 vet sooner but my friend and I were both too sick to get out of bed before
 today.

 Would you go ahead with surgery/  My feeling is yes as he is otherwise
 healthy but wanted to hear your thoughts.



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[Felvtalk] Merlin to vet

2014-12-19 Thread Kelley S
Hi folks,

I'm taking Merlin to the vet Monday.  He seems congested and sneezing.  No
nasal or ocular discharge but he's dropped weight.  He is eating, I just
fed him canned.  Drinking too.

Now, my regular vet is a really really nice guy, but he has little
experience with FELV by his own admission.  I think most people around here
euth for FELV.  I'm trying to establish a relationship with a holistic vet
but he needs to be seen sooner than that will happen.

I'm thinking this vet will give him a convenia injection.  Does that seem
reasonable and does it work for your kitties?

Anything else I should keep in mind?

Thanks all,

Kelley and Merlin
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Re: [Felvtalk] 5 leukemia positive kittens

2014-11-15 Thread Kelley S
 but I would like to say that I never said anything about not placing
 these cats in homes with other FeLV positive cats.  I said I would do an
 IFA first because both Cornell and the SPCA suggest that.  I have
 researched this disease for the past 10 years of my life and talked to vets
 all over the country about it.  I've talked to sanctuaries as well and many
 will not take a leuk positive cat without a positive IFA.  If the cat is
 going to convert and you send it to a home with leukemia when it is IFA
 negative, you could be giving that kitten a death sentence when it could
 have a happy full life leukemia free.  Right now we are giving them 30 days
 to start converting and then we will retest.  But if somebody wanted  one
 and they had cats with leukemia, I just would want to make sure the kitten
 is truly positive.  As I mentioned, we recently had 5 positives at our
 rescue and I posted it about it a while back.  They are now all leuk free
 on both the Elisa and IFA.  We separated them from the positive mom and we
 gave them 90 days to convert before retesting.  They have been tested 3
 times as negative and Cornell, the SPCA and numerous vets said they are
 leukemia free and can be adopted out as such.  I know that is highly
 unlikely but it can happen.  The SNAP tests only indicates exposure, not
 true infection from what I've been told.  Not every exposed cat remains
 infected as you all know and I just want to be sure these are true
 positives if they are going to mix with leuk positives.

 So anyway, that is all I can say about these babies.  Not sure why people
 are on my case.  I thought this would be a great resource because I've seen
 people ask about finding a leuk positive kitty.  Just wanted to post here
 in case somebody was willing to open their home and heart to one of these
 babies.

 Btw, to the poster that told me I most likely have 3 girls.  Yes, I
 suspected the blue cream, the tortie and the calico would be girls.  They
 are.  The black and the gray and white are boys.  I just wasn't 100 sure
 yet :)

 Amy Weygandt

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  *From:* Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com
 *To:* felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Friday, November 14, 2014 3:05 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] 5 leukemia positive kittens

 Marsha..sorry..when I said I don't know what you want I was referring
 to the OP, who if I recall correctly said something along the lines of we
 don't want these cats in with other FELV+ cats if they could possibly be
 negative.  So the way I read her post was:  we want people with no cats
 who are willing to take the very probable heartbreak of a FELV+ kitten and
 promise to not expose it to other FELV+ cats and who will pay us over a
 hundred dollars for doing so.  This is possible, but not very likely
 IMHO.   Even in our rescue, after a certain point they would eat up over
 $100 worth of food and we would be losing money even if we did get $100
 plus for them.  More importantly, everyone is limited in space, and an
 animal in a foster home means another animal your rescue cannot help.
 The facebook group is interesting, and I encourage those on Facebook to
 join, not that I want to take traffic away from here, but most are very
 very very very stridently against mixing.I tried to get them to come
 here, but haven't had any luck that I know of.  There is a very strange
 situation going on there that I'd like to get some input on.  There is a
 kitten who has tested (snap and IFA) pos for FELV.  This kitten came from a
 breeder who tests all her cats regularly and none has ever tested
 positive.  The kitten's owner took the kitten to the vet as per contract
 within 10 days of buying the cat and got a positive test.  Rechecked with
 IFA, still positive.  ALL THE OTHER CATS were retested by the breeder and
 are still negative.  All the other kittens in the litter have tested
 negative.  HOW did this kitten contract FELV?

 Anyway here is the link:  https://www.facebook.com/groups/26073442228/


 On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:



 Kelly, now *I'm* confused.  I don't want anything.  I was just sharing my
 personal experiences and putting some suggestions out there.  Some of the
 resources you or others may already know about, but others might be new to
 some people.  Feel free to list your Facebook resources so people here are
 aware of those too.   Or maybe you were really replying to the same person
 I was replying to?

 Idea for everyone:  make up a flyer with some basic info about FeLV, with
 a picture of one or more or your FeLV+ cats looking happy and living the
 good life.  Maybe put a link on the flyer to felineleukemia.org or other
 resource(s).  Distribute the flyer to local vet offices for when the vet
 gets a client with a cat that tests positive.  The vet could show the flyer
 to the owner so that the owner can see that there is support available, and
 that FeLV+ cats can live a happy life for a variable number

Re: [Felvtalk] 5 leukemia positive kittens

2014-11-14 Thread Kelley S
I must not be getting all the posts.  FELV+ kittens are very hard to
place,and the adoption fee you are charging doesn't make it easier.  I too
do rescue.   We adopted out a double positive cat to a person on this list.
We altered her, vaccinated her, tested and retested her.  We charged $25
and today I doubt we'd charge that. She went to an excellent home, we got
pictures and updates.  She recently was euthanized due to severe
cardiomyopathy and lived 7.5 years.  I wish you the best of luck testing
your 5.  Maybe someone here has room for a new kitty:)

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 8:53 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 I GOT ANNIE AS AN ADULT OF 4 YRS, BUT THE VET THINKS SHE WAS ALWAYS
 POSITIVE.  SHE HAD NEVER BEEN OUTSIDE THE LADY'S HOUSE AND WAS SPOILED
 ROTTEN.  I HAVE HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH MY OTHER CATS WHO WERE ANYWHERE FROM 1
 YEAR TO 10 YEARS.  MOST DIE OF OLD AGE AT 18 OR SO.  YOU DO HAVE TO BE VERY
 OBSERVANT AND CATCH ANY PROBLEM BEFORE IT CAN GET STARTED.
 I AGREE, YOU HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE, BUT IF THEY REALLY LOVE CATS, THEY WILL
 TAKE THE CHANCE AND LOVE THEM UNTIL THEY ARE GONE.  WHAT YOU GET FROM THEM
 IN THAT SHORT TIME IS WORTH IT.

  Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote:
  Did she get leukemia as a kitten?  I have a 12 year old leuk positive
 but I didn't get him til he was three so not sure if he had it as a kitten
 or an adult.  I also just lost one of my leuk positives that was 12, also
 got her around 4 so not sure when she got leukemia.  Anybody that I had
 with leukemia as a kitten hasn't made it past 2 :(  I know any of them can
 defy the odds and I always tell people that but I will warn people that
 there may be heartbreak ahead.  I think it is only fair.  Never stopped me
 from helping these little ones though.  They are all so special.
 
  We just had an entire litter convert at our rescue (which the vets and
 the specialists have told me is really unusual) so I'm hoping for the best
 for these little cuties.  So happy your Annie is doing well!!!
 
 
  
   From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
  To: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 9:28 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 5 leukemia positive kittens
 
 
  MAY NOT LIVE OVER A YEAR, BUT THEN YOU NEVER KNOW.  MY ANNIE IS NOW 8
 YEARS OLD .
 
 
 
 
   Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote:
   I volunteer for a rescue in Rochester, NY and have also owned leukemia
 positive cats (rescues) for years.  We were recently contacted by somebody
 that adopted out a kitten from a litter of 5 that she found outdoors.  She
 got a call from the adopters that the kitten tested positive and that the
 people needed to bring him back.  She wanted help so we paid to have all 5
 kittens tested this week.  All five are positive.  The foster is willing to
 hold them for 30 days so we can retest them but she does not want to
 euthanize (nor would we suggest that) and she can't keep them.  She has
 five cats of her own and can't take another 5.  She would like us to try to
 find adoptive homes for them.
  
   We have agreed to find homes for them if she will let us screen the
 homes and do the adoptions through our rescue, Animal Service League.  We
 would love to find homes for them with people that know this disease.  We
 have a black, a blue cream, a gray and white, a calico and a tortie.
 Pictures are available if you email me.  We will determine sex and give
 them names soon.  We will also retest them at 30 days or possibly do an IFA
 to make sure they are positive if somebody wants them sooner and has other
 leuk positives.  We wouldn't want to send them to a home with leukemia if
 there is any chance they are going to fight it off but will all five
 positive, we suspect some or all of them will remain positive.
  
   These kittens will not be free.  We will do all the vetting on them -
 spays/neuters, microchipping, rabies, distemper, flea and parasite
 treatment, etc., and will charge a $115 adoption fee.  We are a rescue and
 will not adopt out animals that are not fully vetted and we don't do free
 adoptions.  We are aware that they may not live past a year or two but they
 still deserve a loving, responsible home and proper veterinary care.
  
   If anybody is interested in helping one of these little beauties,
 please let us know.
  
   Amy Weygandt
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] 5 leukemia positive kittens

2014-11-14 Thread Kelley S
There are some other places to list on Facebook, if you would like the
links.  One thing that struck me when I read your post was confusion on my
part as to what exactly you wanted.  It seemed to me reading it, and I may
be reading things into this, that you did not want the kittens to go to a
home with FELV+ cats in there already.   That, in addition to the adoption
fee, is going to make it *almost* impossible to ever find these kittens a
home (nothing is 100% impossible of course).  Also, once you adopt the
kitten out, you don't have control over what the adopters do later.  They
may bring in FELV+ cats later.  My heart kitty died of heart disease
brought on by a congenital defect.  I spent a lot of time holding her and
crying because she was going to die.  They are all going to die, we hope
after many years in a happy home.  I spent more time mourning her death
than I did celebrating her life.  This was  a grave mistake on my part.

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:

 Some adopters may make a donation to the organization they adopt a
 zero-fee cat from.  I did.  You might make a cat low or no fee, but say,
 donations gratefully accepted.  If you list on PetFinder, consider adding
 FeLV+ to the heading, besides just listing them as special needs.  Some
 people are looking specifically for a FeLV+ cat as a companion for one they
 already have, and not putting that in the heading forces those people to
 sift through every special needs listing to find the FeLV+ kitty.  I turned
 to PetFinder after having no luck locally finding a companion for Harley,
 and did a search by zip code.  I specified up to 100 miles, and that's
 how I found Brock.  Actually, 113 miles away, but the search goes by zip
 code.

 There are also some listings here (up for adoption or looking to adopt
 FeLV, FIV, FIP +): http://www.bemikitties.com/felv/cgi-bin/suite/
 classifieds/classifieds.cgi
 You can also get to that by the felineleukemia.org website.

 One other place to list is the PurringPixie yahoo group.

 Marsha
 (with Harley  Brock)

 On 11/14/2014 11:05 AM, Katherine K. wrote:

 Amy,
 I wish you the best of luck in placing these kittens. I had a litter of 4
 positive kittens and tried very hard to find good homes for them, with no
 luck, so they lived with me until they passed away, most before they were 1
 year old. It was a very busy year, but they were a lovely little group and
 it was nice seeing them stay together as a family for the time they had.
 I have to agree with Kelley that a $115 adoption fee in reality is not
 likely to help you get them placed in homes. In my experience, people just
 don't want to adopt and get attached to, much less pay a fee for, a kitty
 who will probably not live long. I was lucky enough to be working with a
 larger rescue organization who covered their shots, spay/neuters and
 testing expenses. I just provided the home, food, love and tears :)
 I suggest making flyers with the best photos you can get, and make them
 sound very friendly and loving. Play the sympathy card for all it's worth!
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[Felvtalk] OK, yall may just not think I'm crazy

2014-11-14 Thread Kelley S
Not directly FELV+ related, but I think it could be an important tool for
keeping up with your cats' health:

http://www.cnet.com/news/smart-litter-box-gadget-tailio-monitors-your-cats-health/
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Re: [Felvtalk] 5 leukemia positive kittens

2014-11-14 Thread Kelley S
Marsha..sorry..when I said I don't know what you want I was referring to
the OP, who if I recall correctly said something along the lines of we
don't want these cats in with other FELV+ cats if they could possibly be
negative.  So the way I read her post was:  we want people with no cats
who are willing to take the very probable heartbreak of a FELV+ kitten and
promise to not expose it to other FELV+ cats and who will pay us over a
hundred dollars for doing so.  This is possible, but not very likely
IMHO.   Even in our rescue, after a certain point they would eat up over
$100 worth of food and we would be losing money even if we did get $100
plus for them.  More importantly, everyone is limited in space, and an
animal in a foster home means another animal your rescue cannot help.
The facebook group is interesting, and I encourage those on Facebook to
join, not that I want to take traffic away from here, but most are very
very very very stridently against mixing.I tried to get them to come
here, but haven't had any luck that I know of.  There is a very strange
situation going on there that I'd like to get some input on.  There is a
kitten who has tested (snap and IFA) pos for FELV.  This kitten came from a
breeder who tests all her cats regularly and none has ever tested
positive.  The kitten's owner took the kitten to the vet as per contract
within 10 days of buying the cat and got a positive test.  Rechecked with
IFA, still positive.  ALL THE OTHER CATS were retested by the breeder and
are still negative.  All the other kittens in the litter have tested
negative.  HOW did this kitten contract FELV?

Anyway here is the link:  https://www.facebook.com/groups/26073442228/


On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:

  Kelly, now *I'm* confused.  I don't want anything.  I was just sharing
 my personal experiences and putting some suggestions out there.  Some of
 the resources you or others may already know about, but others might be new
 to some people.  Feel free to list your Facebook resources so people here
 are aware of those too.   Or maybe you were really replying to the same
 person I was replying to?

 Idea for everyone:  make up a flyer with some basic info about FeLV, with
 a picture of one or more or your FeLV+ cats looking happy and living the
 good life.  Maybe put a link on the flyer to felineleukemia.org or other
 resource(s).  Distribute the flyer to local vet offices for when the vet
 gets a client with a cat that tests positive.  The vet could show the flyer
 to the owner so that the owner can see that there is support available, and
 that FeLV+ cats can live a happy life for a variable number of years.

 Marsha

 On 11/14/2014 1:00 PM, Kelley S wrote:

 There are some other places to list on Facebook, if you would like the
 links.  One thing that struck me when I read your post was confusion on my
 part as to what exactly you wanted.  It seemed to me reading it, and I may
 be reading things into this, that you did not want the kittens to go to a
 home with FELV+ cats in there already.   That, in addition to the adoption
 fee, is going to make it *almost* impossible to ever find these kittens a
 home (nothing is 100% impossible of course).  Also, once you adopt the
 kitten out, you don't have control over what the adopters do later.  They
 may bring in FELV+ cats later.  My heart kitty died of heart disease
 brought on by a congenital defect.  I spent a lot of time holding her and
 crying because she was going to die.  They are all going to die, we hope
 after many years in a happy home.  I spent more time mourning her death
 than I did celebrating her life.  This was  a grave mistake on my part.

 On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:

 Some adopters may make a donation to the organization they adopt a
 zero-fee cat from.  I did.  You might make a cat low or no fee, but say,
 donations gratefully accepted.  If you list on PetFinder, consider adding
 FeLV+ to the heading, besides just listing them as special needs.  Some
 people are looking specifically for a FeLV+ cat as a companion for one they
 already have, and not putting that in the heading forces those people to
 sift through every special needs listing to find the FeLV+ kitty.  I turned
 to PetFinder after having no luck locally finding a companion for Harley,
 and did a search by zip code.  I specified up to 100 miles, and that's
 how I found Brock.  Actually, 113 miles away, but the search goes by zip
 code.

 There are also some listings here (up for adoption or looking to adopt
 FeLV, FIV, FIP +):
 http://www.bemikitties.com/felv/cgi-bin/suite/classifieds/classifieds.cgi
 You can also get to that by the felineleukemia.org website.

 One other place to list is the PurringPixie yahoo group.



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Re: [Felvtalk] 5 leukemia positive kittens

2014-11-14 Thread Kelley S
I thought it would be interesting to get yall involved in the discussion
there. It is CRAZY.  There is also some really hopeful anecdotal evidence
about treating non-regenerative anemia with aquapuncture.  Again, not
trying to drive traffic from this list, and I've tried to get them to come
here, but if you are interested go on over.

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 2:59 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:

 Kelly, I think she wants to wait until they are confirmed positive with an
 IFA before adopting them out to a home with other FeLV+ cats.  She did
 mention the hope to find homes that are familiar with FeLV.

  I kept Brock quarantined from Harley until I got a positive IFA test on
 Brock.  Brock had ony ever had a single Snap test at the shelter to say he
 was FeLV+.  Looking back, I would have requested (and paid for) a vet local
 to the shelter to do an IFA.  That would have made it  easier for the
 shelter to adopt out a negative cat, while I continued to search for a
 positive companion for Harley.  But I had already brought Brock home, so if
 he had by chance tested negative on my vet's IFA, then I would have kept
 him separate from my negatives until he got a 2nd negative, then be put
 with them instead, and I would then have searched for another possible
 companion for Harley.  Someday I may consider mixing negatives  positives,
 especially if treatments are developed like there are for HIV, where it's
 not cured, but knocks the transmissible virus load to near zero.  But for
 now I keep them separate, because I don't want to deal with the guilt I
 would have if just ONE negative cat got infected.

 As for the lone FeLV+ kitten, that's pretty bizarre.  I don't think
 there's any way for anyone not directly involved to know what happened.
 Most likely either the breeder or the buyer knows or suspects, but isn't
 telling.  The only other possibility I can think of is that the virus
 somehow was passed genetically, and the exact right circumstances allowed
 it to manifest in one kitten. Kind of like FIP, in that the virus infects a
 large percentage of cats, but only a few have the genetic susceptibility,
 and the right circumstances for it to manifest into FIP disease.  But that
 doesn't seem so likely.

 Marsha

 On 11/14/2014 2:05 PM, Kelley S wrote:

 Marsha..sorry..when I said I don't know what you want I was referring
 to the OP, who if I recall correctly said something along the lines of we
 don't want these cats in with other FELV+ cats if they could possibly be
 negative. So the way I read her post was:  we want people with no cats who
 are willing to take the very probable heartbreak of a FELV+ kitten and
 promise to not expose it to other FELV+ cats and who will pay us over a
 hundred dollars for doing so.  This is possible, but not very likely IMHO.
  Even in our rescue, after a certain point they would eat up over $100
 worth of food and we would be losing money even if we did get $100 plus for
 them.  More importantly, everyone is limited in space, and an animal in a
 foster home means another animal your rescue cannot help.
 The facebook group is interesting, and I encourage those on Facebook to
 join, not that I want to take traffic away from here, but most are very
 very very very stridently against mixing.I tried to get them to come
 here, but haven't had any luck that I know of.  There is a very strange
 situation going on there that I'd like to get some input on.  There is a
 kitten who has tested (snap and IFA) pos for FELV.  This kitten came from a
 breeder who tests all her cats regularly and none has ever tested
 positive.  The kitten's owner took the kitten to the vet as per contract
 within 10 days of buying the cat and got a positive test.  Rechecked with
 IFA, still positive.  ALL THE OTHER CATS were retested by the breeder and
 are still negative.  All the other kittens in the litter have tested
 negative.  HOW did this kitten contract FELV?

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[Felvtalk] IFA

2014-11-14 Thread Kelley S
is the IFA test valid and reliable on a 12 week old kitten?  If not do you
have links?  I'm thinking I've heard it isn't, but can't find anything.
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[Felvtalk] Light positive reading

2014-09-28 Thread Kelley S
Hi guys,

Long ago I learned from this list, there is no such thing as light positive
reading.  It indicates an error with the test.  I don't have documentation
to back this up, can anyone help?
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Re: [Felvtalk] need some help/advice

2014-09-14 Thread Kelley S
Hi Susan,

I'm not finding that page,  can you link to it?  I searched for Owners of
Feline Leukemia and FIV cats and came up with nothing.

Thanks,

Kelley, Cleo and Merlin

On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:

  There are also veterinarians available on JustAnswer.com.  $20.  I gave
 Milkdud dexamethasone injections, rather than the pills, so that may be
 different.

 Marsha


 On 9/14/2014 1:47 PM, Matt Pardo wrote:

  Thanks so much, Susan! I will get on that page asap. I am sticking with
 the label since I am hoping the system is more correct.



 I appreciate the quick reply!



 *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Susan Grimes
 *Sent:* Sunday, September 14, 2014 1:40 PM
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] need some help/advice



 Hi Matt and Roughy!!

 I just read your email and sense you need a quick answer to appropriate
 dosage for dex (which is a steroid).  I don't have a for-sure answer for
 you but, I can say thisI am a health care therapist and also a patient
 due to several autoimmune diseases.  This I know in humans, oral steroids
 are given in most cases in multiple doses (2-4) a day as it is a short
 acting medication.



  I would go by the printed dosage which is usually correct.  The best
 avenue to get quick feedback is on Face Book.  There is a page for Owners
 of Feline Leukemia and FIV cats  There are some very active ppl with a lot
 of experience that will answer pretty quickly.  I have had only a couple
 posts here.  I like and post a lot on the face book page almost daily.



 Wishing you and Roughy the best, and good health,

 Susan and Sophia



 On Sunday, September 14, 2014 12:12 PM, Matt Pardo 
 mpa...@velocitystorm.com wrote:



 Hi everyone, I am new to the list. I have been looking through the
 archives for an answer, but haven’t found it yet. Sorry if this has been
 answered before.



 My cat, named Roughy, was a feral cat with FIV and FeLV. I have had him
 for about four years now with only minor infections. However, on Thursday,
 he didn’t eat. On Friday, I took him to the vet. The vet said he was
 extremely anemic…unfortunately, I was too shell shocked to ask for a copy
 of the lab results so I can’t say what that means. He gave him a shot of
 dexamethasone on Friday and gave him fluids. He seemed much better when I
 took him home. He gave me some dex to give him to him. I could have sworn
 he said one time a day, but the label says 2 times per day (every 12
 hours). My concern is that I am giving him too much dex. The dosage per
 pill is 0.5 mg which nets to 1 mg per 24 hours. Is this ok/normal? This is
 the first anemia I have experienced and I am really worried. Poor Roughy
 had a really rough night Friday. Last night was a bit better, but he still
 seems to be struggling. I would really appreciate it if anyone knows if
 that dosage is ok. Of course, I have tried contacting my vet, but I can’t
 get him.



 Thanks!



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Re: [Felvtalk] Just tested positive

2014-07-25 Thread Kelley S
I'm so sorry for your loss


On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:38 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 So sorry for your loss of Smoosh.  I have lost 3 in this last year.  No
 doubt it hurts and will for a long time, but now she is free of pain.  My
 prayers are with you

  Jennifer Lewis blonded...@mac.com wrote:
  We said goodnight to my heart, my Smoosh about an hour ago.
  She contracted the virus from her feral mom, and came to us at 8 weeks
 after being trapped. We loved her dearly for 13 wonderful months until she
 left with my heart tonight.
 
 
  On Jul 24, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Maya D'Alessio wrote:
 
   I am a microbiologist, so the lack of research really does frustrate
 me. I was asking the vet if we know if the viral load increases over time
 like in hiv. He said there was very limited funding for felv research. Very
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Re: [Felvtalk] Just tested positive

2014-07-25 Thread Kelley S
I've heard bad things about the research they do do.  Don't know if they
are true or not.  I know the Ragdoll people raised quite a bit of money for
heart disease research in cats (apparently there is lots of heart disease
in Ragdolls)


On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:40 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 I don't think there is any research on FELV because they don't think there
 is any money in it.  Unfortunetly money runs the world today.


  Jennifer Lewis blonded...@mac.com wrote:
  We said goodnight to my heart, my Smoosh about an hour ago.
  She contracted the virus from her feral mom, and came to us at 8 weeks
 after being trapped. We loved her dearly for 13 wonderful months until she
 left with my heart tonight.
 
 
  On Jul 24, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Maya D'Alessio wrote:
 
   I am a microbiologist, so the lack of research really does frustrate
 me. I was asking the vet if we know if the viral load increases over time
 like in hiv. He said there was very limited funding for felv research. Very
 frustrating.
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Just tested positive

2014-07-25 Thread Kelley S
The low cost spay clinic I took Merlin to recommended immediate euth for
merls, without so much as an IFA.  Of course I said no.  THen I found my
holistic vet who boosts their system through supplements.


On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've heard bad things about the research they do do.  Don't know if they
 are true or not.  I know the Ragdoll people raised quite a bit of money for
 heart disease research in cats (apparently there is lots of heart disease
 in Ragdolls)


 On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:40 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 I don't think there is any research on FELV because they don't think
 there is any money in it.  Unfortunetly money runs the world today.


  Jennifer Lewis blonded...@mac.com wrote:
  We said goodnight to my heart, my Smoosh about an hour ago.
  She contracted the virus from her feral mom, and came to us at 8 weeks
 after being trapped. We loved her dearly for 13 wonderful months until she
 left with my heart tonight.
 
 
  On Jul 24, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Maya D'Alessio wrote:
 
   I am a microbiologist, so the lack of research really does frustrate
 me. I was asking the vet if we know if the viral load increases over time
 like in hiv. He said there was very limited funding for felv research. Very
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Re: [Felvtalk] Just tested positive

2014-07-25 Thread Kelley S
I give mine Standard Process Feline Immune Support


On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

 The low cost spay clinic I took Merlin to recommended immediate euth for
 merls, without so much as an IFA.  Of course I said no.  THen I found my
 holistic vet who boosts their system through supplements.


 On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've heard bad things about the research they do do.  Don't know if they
 are true or not.  I know the Ragdoll people raised quite a bit of money for
 heart disease research in cats (apparently there is lots of heart disease
 in Ragdolls)


 On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:40 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 I don't think there is any research on FELV because they don't think
 there is any money in it.  Unfortunetly money runs the world today.


  Jennifer Lewis blonded...@mac.com wrote:
  We said goodnight to my heart, my Smoosh about an hour ago.
  She contracted the virus from her feral mom, and came to us at 8 weeks
 after being trapped. We loved her dearly for 13 wonderful months until she
 left with my heart tonight.
 
 
  On Jul 24, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Maya D'Alessio wrote:
 
   I am a microbiologist, so the lack of research really does frustrate
 me. I was asking the vet if we know if the viral load increases over time
 like in hiv. He said there was very limited funding for felv research. Very
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Re: [Felvtalk] Just tested positive

2014-07-25 Thread Kelley S
I would try to find a holistic vet.  Mine has a 22 year old felv+ patient
who is currently dying - not of FELV but of liver failure.  I swear by
her.  Tons of controversy here,  but I also swear by raw food diets if you
can swing it.  Others will disagree

We never know how long we have with them.


On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 lI think those are the two most important things we can do for them, lots
 of love and keep the stress down.  Stress as in humans, causes so many
 things.  My Anney never tested positive with her 1st owner, just after
 Katy's death and being shuffled from here to there and have no real love
 and attention during Kathy's illness.  She is still having trouble
 adjusting to NOT being the only cat in the house and takes a lot of loving.


  Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote:
  First of all,  I'm so sorry about your loss of Yang.  I've been through
 it so many times and it NEVER gets any easier.

 The good news is that I have two adults, 10 and 11, that have had leukemia
 since I got them, almost 10 years ago.  They have been healthy all along.
  I've had my share of ones that made it less than 2 years and some that
 made it 4 or 5 years.  You never really know.  Just take it one day at a
 time and cherish every minute.

 We don't do anything special here.  We tried lots of stuff at the
 beginning but it never seemed to help for us.  I just try to keep stress
 levels low and love them and that seems to work :)

 Best of luck.  Hope you have many years with Merlot.

 Amy


 
  From: Maya D'Alessio mde...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:12 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Just tested positive



 Hello everyone,

 My cat Merlot, just tested positive for FeLV yesterday afternoon.  We had
 him tested, because my three year old cat Yang (female) started acting ill
 at the end of June, the next morning I took her in to the vets and we
 discovered she was anemic, jaundiced and had a high fever.  They checked
 her blood levels and found she was anemic (about 13, vs 26 in a healthy
 cat).  She stayed at the vet during the day  and her blood levels didn't
 get any worse, and our vet was optimistic.  They transferred her over to
 the emergency clinic which was open all evening and in to the weekend.
  They monitored her overnight and her red blood cells decreased, her fever
 lowered but she went past normal to too cold.  That morning the blood tests
 came back and she was positive for FeLV.  We were shocked.  Even worse was
 that her detailed blood work showed no uptick in blood cell production,
 where she should have increased production, she actually had almost no
   production.  We then got to see her before we had to put her down.
  That was the hardest day of my life.

 Now, with Merlot testing positive I am terrified of losing him so quickly,
 and I am still grieving for Yang.  I know the statistics are not great for
 long term prognosis, but he is currently healthy (just a tiny bit of
 gingivitis - we are going to start brushing his teeth).  What can I do to
 keep him healthy?  How do I live with him everyday without starting to
 grieve him already?  I know we all are going to die someday, but this just
 feels like it is going to hang over me.  I am still doing reading on the
 disease and newer treatments and such, but do these all start after the cat
 becomes noticeably ill, or are there things I can be doing now to help keep
 him healthy?  Are probiotics helpful in this case?

 For those who have or have had a healthy FeLV cat, how long did they stay
 healthy for?


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Re: [Felvtalk] Miya Chan

2013-01-08 Thread Kelley S
Bonnie,

I'm sorry for  your loss.  My Missy, Morgana, Shimmer and Muffin were
there to meet her I am sure.

Kelley

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm so sorry for your loss Bonnie, but so grateful that she had you while
 she was here.

 Marcia

 Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas
 2010.

 On Jan 8, 2013, at 9:58 AM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:

 Sweet thought -- Thank you!

 Sent from my iPhone



 On Jan 8, 2013, at 12:32 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

 They are here for such a short time and then they are gone but somewhere, in
 a parallel Universe, Miya Chan is still alive and purring and a version of
 yourself is there with her. One night, you may visit her in a dream and feel
 her warmth and see her lovely fur, so while you are there, sneak in a kiss
 or two on the top of her head before you wake up to yourself back here. You
 made her life a happy dream.


 Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
 neighbors too!


 
 From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 5:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Miya Chan

 Goodnight, sweet Miya Chan...

 =^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie,
 Samantha,
 Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato
 Vampire =^..^=

 - Original Message -
 From: Bonnie Hogue
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 6:50 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Miya Chan

 Little _Miya Chan_ died unexpectedly Friday morning.  Apparently she was in
 kidney failure, according to the Vet.  Didn’t expect her to go so soon.
 Lovely brushed coat calico, rehabilitated feral who loved sleeping on the
 foot of my bed and would raise up her head and close her eyes when I bent to
 kiss the top of her head.  May she rest peacefully and pain free, and may we
 meet again.
 Your good thoughts, positive energy and prayers for Miya are appreciated.
 Thank you,
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2012-10-05 Thread Kelley S
I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life
- I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.comwrote:

 I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
 leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
 do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
 they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
 beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
 the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
 and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.

 ** **

 *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
 Of *Lee Evans
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 ** **

 Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
 get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
 over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
 same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
 cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
 rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
 those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
 a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
 a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic
 and discuss hair styles and shoe styles.

 If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
 discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
 with your issue.  Blessings.

 ** **

  

 *Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
 neighbors too!*

 ** **
 --

 *From:* Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
 *Subject:* [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 ** **

 This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental
 people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
 happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many
 people all over the world hunt—they are all condemned because there are
 those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to
 helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to
 get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating
 away from what brought all to the list in the first place.


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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2012-10-05 Thread Kelley S
I think yall misunderstand.  I don't care about off topic posts and we used
to talk about everything under the sun.  It's the JUDGEMENTALISM that has
been creeping in for a long, long time.

Declawing  I don't do it, but one of our valued long term list members (at
least I hope she is even still here) volunteers for a rescue that has 2
parts, an FELV sanctuary and an adoptable cat rescue - and all the
adoptable cats are routinely declawed by the rescue owner, a veterinarian.
Now I'm sure just this post will generate about a month long argument,
which is kind of my point about judgement.

And let a breeder come on here and dear Lord.  More judgement.  I hate
fighting and judging.

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I understand the purpose of this group, but I think it’s up to the mod
 to decide of OT posts are permitted. I found the OT subjects interesting,
 but when I didn’t feel like reading any more, I used the magical delete key.I
 t part, those who have participated in the OT discussions have made their
 points very respectfully and without insult. (I’m not sure I can say the
 same regarding the comment that the list has gone way, way downhill.)

 

 I hope we call all agree to disagree as necessary while remaining
 dedicated to the FeLV+ kitties that need us. **I do rescue and joined
 this group when one of our rescues tested positive. He was adopted more
 than a year ago, but I’ve stayed on the list because of the kindness and
 compassion of the folks here. I don’t think the list has gone downhill at
 all and I’m sure that if someone poses a question about a cat in need,
 focus will quickly be redirected.**

 **
 Cindy**

 

 

 *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
 Of *Kelley S
 *Sent:* Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

 I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my
 life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
 because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  ***
 *

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 wrote:

 I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
 leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
 do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
 they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
 beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
 the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
 and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.

  

 *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
 Of *Lee Evans
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

  

 Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
 get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
 over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
 same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
 cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
 rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
 those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
 a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
 a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic
 and discuss hair styles and shoe styles.

 If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
 discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
 with your issue.  Blessings.

  

  

 *Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
 neighbors too!*

  
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 *From:* Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
 *Subject:* [Felvtalk] (no subject)

  

 This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental
 people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
 happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many
 people all over the world hunt—they are all condemned because there are
 those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to
 helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to
 get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating
 away from what brought all to the list in the first place.


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