[Felvtalk] REMOVE MY NAME

2010-02-28 Thread Kelly
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Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI Response

2008-12-01 Thread Kelly
Hi, 

How do i get off of this list? i thought i signed up for a newsleltter, not all 
the online chat conversations. :) 
 
Any help would be appreciated. :)
 
Thanks, 
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From: Christy Buchin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI Response
To: Feline Leukemia Website felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 1:59 PM

Amber,
Thank you for your kind words.  I totally understand about the what
if.  My husband and I are always saying, what if we would have tested him
when he was a kitten and got to this sooner.  The Vet did not think we needed to
test the kittens because their Mom tested negative.
I am so sorry you lost Parker!  I know I will be experiencing that in the near
future and it frightens me so!  I have taken a lot of pictures of Gray Kitty.  I
keep them in a photo album on my myspace page.  I am writing a blog on there
about him as well.  I know the pain of losing Parker is deep.  He knows he was
very loved and taken care of!  :o) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:41:45 +
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI Response   Christy, I'm so
sorry to hear about your little Gray Kitty! When our cat Parker died earlier
this month, I found out about LTCI afterwards. I wondered if I would have
known about it sooner if I could have given him this medicine to help him.
He was severely anemic towards the end with no red blood cells. From what you
are indicating, it may get to a point with the illness where it's too
late, huh?   I wish you the best with the precious time you have left
with your little one. It certainly makes you appreciate the time you have
together, I'm sure. I recently made a picture book (using my laptop 
digital photos) in memoriam to Parker. It was my special way of honoring him
and whenever I look at it it's a mixed bag of emotions (sadness that
he's gone, but happiness at the good memories we formed). I don't
know if you have taken many pictures of your Gray Kitty, but it may help
later to have all of those memories in picture form to look back and reminisce.
Take care.   *Hugs* Amber   Amber, We have been
using LTCI on our little Gray Kitty. However, since his diagnosis on September 6
of this year, the disease has progressed to his bone marrow. At this point we
are not sure if anything will help him. We have not run into another situation
such as ours. We took in a stray pregnant female in 2007, which tested negative
for the FelV. She had 3 male kittens, which we all kept. Our Gray Kitty is the
only one that has been diagnosed with the FelV. The other two test negative.
Also Gray Kitty is the only one with the B type blood. We are so puzzled,
shocked, and very saddened that he has come down with this disease. We know our
time with him is so very precious. Amber,   
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Re: Has anyone heard of this new FELV drug - is it real or fake?

2008-04-09 Thread Kelly L

At 06:41 AM 4/8/2008, you wrote:



I have heard about it and may use it
will get more information if I can
kelly




Someone sent me this link: http://www.imulan.com/ and on one page of 
the web site it says,


Lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator (LTCI) is an conditionally 
approved treatment aid* for cats infected with Feline Leukemia Virus 
(FeLV) and/ or Feline Immunodeficiency Virus (FIV) and the 
associated symptoms of lymphopenia, opportunistic infection, anemia, 
granulocytopenia, and thrombocytopenia. LTCI is an immune regulating 
protein that is a potent regulator of lymphocyte and interleukin-2 production.


Do any of y'all know if this is for real, or is it just a scam to 
take advantage of those of us willing to try anything to help our FELV+ cats?


Neither of the Vets we take our cats to has heard of this new 
drug.  The person who sent me the link has an FIV+ cat who is doing 
well, but never tried this new drug - just heard of it and pointed me at it.


Any information you have - opinions, facts, speculation, any 
feedback - is very welcome.  I'm trying to find a Vet who knows 
about it, and might prescribe it if it might strengthen PC's 
(Problem Child, Purring Cat) immune system.


Thanks in advance for your help.

Purrrs to you and yours,
Andrew
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Zoro, Zippy, Wellington, - and PC! (FELV+) - and Alpha, Beta, 
Tactical, Suzi-Q, - and  Pinkie, and 4 mini-tigers and Tiger Tom 
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Still here but very busy

2007-09-26 Thread Kelly L


I still have my Felv cat3 fiv and 40 others,,
I will adopt out to good owners who DO declawand will never be 
intimidated but those who do not approve, but that is theri opinion

Kelly
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Re: Lovey

2007-09-19 Thread Kelly L

At 06:52 PM 9/19/2007, you wrote:



Many things cause that...How are you treating the 
Lovey...,Fluids,,,of course,,,sounds like anemia what are the lab 
values..a must for disgnosis...need emergency treatment..please

kelly




  Hi all,

I know I have not been on here in a long time but I have an emergency.
Lovey, the love of my life, who came all the way from Georgia, is 
very sick and may not survive the night.  The vet says FIP, but I 
remember my mom saying the vets used to diagnos that 
wa too much.
Lovey, won't eat, is having trouble breathing, is dehydrated and has 
diareha.  Have any of you had these symptoms and it HASN'T been FIP?

Please let me know asap.  Thank you all in advance for your help.
Janine Smith






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Olive

2007-08-31 Thread Kelly L

Megan
 It is always so heartbreaking isn't it...even when in our hearts we 
know we are doing the right thing...You have been so kind to put her 
needs ahead of your own,,

Time ...and all of us that understand will be your friend
Kelly




Re: Sylvester died at home this morning

2007-08-25 Thread Kelly L

At 06:11 AM 8/25/2007, you wrote:


I am so very sorry.It hurts, but it is good to know he was well 
happy and very loved until her crossed

Kelly




My giant (well, he used to be) ol' farm cat died this morning at home.

Sylvester came off a farm where I take care of a dwindling (thanks 
to TNR) cat colony.  He got very sick about 2 years ago and I took 
him to the vet...of course it was more than being sick, he had 
FeLV+.  So he came home with my other cats (I had few other 
positives then, after today down to two now and soon to be one-CW is 
anemic and fading, too).


He was big when I got him, about 16 pounds despite being so 
ill.  After many  at the vets' and then living at home, he was 
up to 22 lbs!  He stayed pretty healthy for about 1 year and  4 
months (he was probably 7 when I got him).  He always had a little 
cough the vets thought was asthma (and yes, we checked and 
re-checked this).  But recently, he was not the same, more coughing, 
high fever, not eatingturns out his blood counts were all 
haywire.  Low RBC, Low white count and low plateletsthe 
antibiotics for the fever made his tummy hurt, too.  So at the vet 
yesterday I asked if it was time to let him go (he lost 2 lbs in a 
week), the vet didn't think so bec. of course, he perked up at the 
vets' and purred and pranced...He got a vitamin B12 shot and his 
very first steroid shot (yes, we discussed that steriods in a FeLV+ 
cat were a last resort).  When we got home, he had a good night.  He 
ate some, and hung out with me and the others (he had been stng 
under the bed except when I would drag him out for meds).  He even 
played some and tried to squeeze into a tiny box like he used to.


This morning I awoke to a few sounds of slight distresshe was 
sleeping under the bed again (actually, the cats tore the bottom 
fabric of the box springs and he would sleep inside the box 
springs).  I reached down and touched him and told him I was there 
and then went to get a carrier to go to the vet.  In the seconds it 
took for me to run downstairs and get the carrier and come back up, 
he was gone.


I had to cut the rest of the fabric to get him since he would lay 
furtherst from the opening.  I pulled him out and he was still, he 
looked very peaceful--no signs of struggle on him or under the bed.


This is the very first cat I have had that died at home (and I have 
a cabinet full of cremated remains)...it was not terrible, but I did 
not plan it.  Last night was so good for him, I guess he had only 
one last good night in him.


He died with me nearby and in the place he felt safest, under the 
bed.  I took him to the vets' so he can be cremated.
I don't think he suffered but a few short seconds if that.  I gave 
him permission several days ago to leave if he needed to, I guess he 
needed to go today.


Although I will miss him, several of my other cats will not.  He was 
a gentle giant, but a few of my smaller cats  terrorized him if they 
got the chance.  He never struck out first and usually retreated, 
but he was always a sweetie to people.


Please think good thoughts for Sylvester.



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Re: T-cyte.....?

2007-08-25 Thread Kelly L

At 01:09 PM 8/25/2007, you wrote:

not stupid at all
chronic renal failure   as opposed to A.R.F  (acute renal failure)


Ok, stupid question, what does CRF stand for?

Thanks!

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
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   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
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Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: T-cyte.?


Susan,
   Fred gets subqs daily for his CRF, I buy the fluids at my local Fred
Meyer, a box of 12 for 38.00 way cheaper than the vet sells them (12.00
a bag), he gets 150cc a day.  Most vets will write a prescription for
you and have a tech show you how to do it.  It isn't hard unless the cat
is less than cooperative like Fred was to begin with, he would bite me.
I had to use clothes pins on his scruff for about a week, he still tried
to bite me but couldn't reach me so after a week he decided to just
suffer through the torture his once loving mom was inflicting on him, he
still hates it but knows he is getting and and realizes grouchingly it
does make him feel better.  he has been getting them for a year now.  I
also torture him by giving him pills 3 times a day he has grudgingly
gotten used to the routine!!

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Susan and cats still looking for a home!!!

2007-08-22 Thread Kelly L
I am sure all of you now know of the fire that destroyed the home of 
Susan, who has always been of great help and support to all of usalways.
Many of the  cats are in others place,, i have 3 of the ferals here 
with me, but she is in a one bedroom apartment with about 10 cats and 
is trying desperately to find  a house to rent.. Preferably in the 
Vallejo or Oakland area of the San Francisco bay
She is comfortable going up to about 2,000  per  month,,,has a great 
income and great rental history as she was in her other home for 6 
years until the electrical fire that started in the basement 
destroyed the home.
she does not have good internet access as yet so she has asked me to 
post and to give permission to cross post to anyone that might have a 
rental available for her,,

her email address is
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
and her cell phone is (415) 238-8057
Please pass this on to everyone and anyone you may think of,
thanks so much
Kelly Lane





Re: New Diagnosis

2007-08-21 Thread Kelly L

At 11:08 AM 8/21/2007, you wrote:

If it were me I would make sure the negative cats have their FELv 
vaccinations,,,2 of them and then allow them each others company,,, I 
have an FELV cat that hangs out with other cats,,Very hard to 
transmit to an adult,,,so give then negative kitties their 
vaccinations and all of us here will hellp woth your Felv pos baby

Kelly
www.kellyscats#zoomshare.com





Hello Everyone,

My name is Michael Roberts.  I just received word a few hours ago 
about one of my babies being diagnosed, so bear with me if this 
takes me a while to get out.


First of all, a bit of background information.  I currently have 
three cats, all Siamese and all from rescues.  The oldest, and the 
one with the FeLV diagnosis, is approximately 6-7 years old, and the 
other two are a little over two.  The first one came from a local 
rescue shelter here in Tennessee called Angel Wings, which has since 
been shut down. The other two came from VA Siamese Rescue, an 
organization that my partner and I are still somewhat active in.  We 
volunteer to transport on occasion and remain in the newsgroups/email lists.


I took all three for their checkups today, and the vet asked if we 
watned them tested for FeLV, to which we agreed.  The test on 
Grizzabella came back positive. The test on Penelope was negative, 
and they ran out of tests, so Poppy hasn't been tested yet.  I did 
request them to retest Grizzabella (even though they charged me 
again), and the blood was drawn and sent out for Grizzabella's 
retest and Poppy's test today, and we should have results by tomorrow.


Here's my issuethis is my first time dealing with FeLV, and I 
don't know what to do or what to expect.  All three of those cats 
are our children, and I can't bear the thought of seperating them or 
giving Grizzabella up because she's sick, but I don't know how 
likely it is the other two will contract the disease, or how to 
seperate them.  I'm not sure what to do about treatment, 
either.  I've heard there's no treatment, then I've heard there's 
meds, and diet changes.  I'm just not sure what my next step should 
be.  I noticed there are six stages to the disease, and four 
different types...I don't have any of that inforomation yet.  Can 
anyone give me a heads up and let me know where we should start with 
this?  Not sure what I need to do, guys.  I know lots of you have a 
lot of experience with this, and i'd be interested in any advice you can give.


Thanks in advance.

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Re: New to group; Questions

2007-08-21 Thread Kelly L

At 07:08 PM 8/21/2007, you wrote:



Very hard to catch, I once had a FELV pos cat theat we were 
unaware of who lived in close proximity with 14 other cats,not 
all vaccinated either,,non ever converted to poitive

Kelly



Good evening, all!

I'm new to this group, and came here in hopes I could get some 
feedback/advice on multicat homes with pos and neg cats. 
Specifically, I currently have neg cats, and am looking to assist a 
FeLeuk kitty. We have a nice size home, and have a large spare room 
that can be easily converted for a FeLeuk cat to be isolated from my 
neg guys. My major concerns really are what types of precautions 
will need to be taken to protect the neg cats from contracting it, 
and protecting the pos cat from any issues as well. I have been 
doing some extensive reading, and aside from common sense things 
(dedicated food dish, litterbox, etc, using bleach solutions to 
sanitize), what else should I be aware of to protect the cats from 
eachother? Pardon my questions if they come across as silly, I just 
want the best for these guys and don't want to place any undue harm 
on anys cats, or commit to something I can't do. How long does the 
virus actually survive in the environment? Is there anything I 
should be doing when going between the FeLeuk room and my cats to 
prevent transmission (change clothes, etc)? If any of you have a set 
up like this, can you give me specifics on how you are making it 
work? How contagious and easily does the virus actually transmit 
from an affected cat? I think this should cover my barrage of 
questions for now. Any feedback on what to do is greatly 
appreciated. Thanks, everyone!


Melody


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Fire update

2007-08-11 Thread Kelly L


It appears the kitten has been discovered so now down to only 2 
missing adults,

Please keep all fingers and toes crossed for Susan..
Kelly




Re: Fire update

2007-08-11 Thread Kelly L

At 02:18 PM 8/11/2007, you wrote:


I live in an area with a well that will not support a sprinkler 
system so I use intumescent paint ,,,expensive but gives a bit of 
peace of mind,,Fire is always my big fear, fortunately all my cats 
have access to the outdoors, enclosure,,,but I live with that fear 
and so every fire protection thing I can do

Kelly



A thought to those who are building or remodeling: fire suppression 
sprinkler systems are available for very reasonable prices.  Check 
it out.  And don't be put off by jerks in the business .  I have had 
approximately 6000 square feet (basement, house, garage and partial 
attic) done for well under $9000 and they traveled appx 120 miles 
one way to install and maintain the system.  B and B out of 
Louisville Ky did my home and I got an equal or better quote from 
Bullitt.  B  B was able to do the ceiling/glycol system that 
included the garage (important for animals) and it is a property 
saving system (more head and not dependent on people/animals getting 
out of the structure).  However, one jerk quoted me a system that, 
according to him, was the only one that met state requirements, cost 
appx $40,000.00.  Several fire chiefs/assistant fire chiefs used B  
B and are extremely pleased with the coverage...and so are the 
insurance companies.  All of this is to say, check it out.  And 
check it out with more than one company if you get someone who is 
being a total jerk.  It really may fit in your budget.  It certainly 
makes me sleep a lot easier.  The volunteer fire department here is 
totally wonderful and I support it 110 per cent but there is only so 
much you can do in a rural area.  These systems are becoming more 
common in metro areas too.  Mine is a new build and I could not bare 
the though of leaving my little ones here alone without protection I 
could provide.  Take what you can use and leave the rest.


As for the missing little ones, please try to calm yourself and send 
out wonderful, strong beams of light to them so them know where to 
come and be with you.  They are confused as are you.  And blessings 
to you and all of them.







 If you have men 
who will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter 
of compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.

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From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]laurieskatz
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: Fire update

blessings. I love that she is still trying to find them. Prayers and 
head butts to Susan and all her furries.

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From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]MaryChristine
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: Fire update

and lots and lots of paws

On 8/11/07, Kelly L mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It appears the kitten has been discovered so now down to only 2
missing adults,
Please keep all fingers and toes crossed for Susan..
Kelly





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Re: Fire update

2007-08-11 Thread Kelly L

At 05:15 PM 8/11/2007, you wrote:



It is called intumescent paint and it pretty fire proof, I ordered 
mine out of Canada,..you can have it tinted or use it as a base 
coat,,,I did much research,,,years,,,It is expensive, I did my 
kitchen on the inside,,,just google fireproof paint,, It is a start,,
I will try to find where I got mine but it has ben about 2 years 
nowIt has to be put on so many millimeters thick to be 
effective..As I said I did the entire interior kitchen ,,lest someone 
start a kitchen fire which is mu big concern

Kelly


What is the paint situation???  I have never heard of this but, 
if I put out buildings up, it may be useful.  I am very lucky 
here.  The fire chief is a friend and able to tell me what size 
water line I had to put in etc.  Don't even ask what it cost but it 
was well worth it.  Please know I am 1/2 mile off the road and we 
won't go any further than that.  I really hope  people will explore 
their options.  I traded granite counter tops and /// 
well you get the idea for safety and security items.







 If you have men 
who will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter 
of compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.

  St. Francis
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From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kelly L
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: Fire update

At 02:18 PM 8/11/2007, you wrote:


I live in an area with a well that will not support a sprinkler 
system so I use intumescent paint ,,,expensive but gives a bit of 
peace of mind,,Fire is always my big fear, fortunately all my cats 
have access to the outdoors, enclosure,,,but I live with that fear 
and so every fire protection thing I can do

Kelly



A thought to those who are building or remodeling: fire suppression 
sprinkler systems are available for very reasonable prices.  Check 
it out.  And don't be put off by jerks in the business .  I have 
had approximately 6000 square feet (basement, house, garage and 
partial attic) done for well under $9000 and they traveled appx 120 
miles one way to install and maintain the system.  B and B out of 
Louisville Ky did my home and I got an equal or better quote from 
Bullitt.  B  B was able to do the ceiling/glycol system that 
included the garage (important for animals) and it is a property 
saving system (more head and not dependent on people/animals 
getting out of the structure).  However, one jerk quoted me a 
system that, according to him, was the only one that met state 
requirements, cost appx $40,000.00.  Several fire chiefs/assistant 
fire chiefs used B  B and are extremely pleased with the 
coverage...and so are the insurance companies.  All of this is 
to say, check it out.  And check it out with more than one company 
if you get someone who is being a total jerk.  It really may fit in 
your budget.  It certainly makes me sleep a lot easier.  The 
volunteer fire department here is totally wonderful and I support 
it 110 per cent but there is only so much you can do in a rural 
area.  These systems are becoming more common in metro areas 
too.  Mine is a new build and I could not bare the though of 
leaving my little ones here alone without protection I could 
provide.  Take what you can use and leave the rest.


As for the missing little ones, please try to calm yourself and 
send out wonderful, strong beams of light to them so them know 
where to come and be with you.  They are confused as are you.  And 
blessings to you and all of them.







 If you have men 
who will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter 
of compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal 
likewise with their fellow man.


St. Francis
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From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]laurieskatz
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: Fire update

blessings. I love that she is still trying to find them. Prayers 
and head butts to Susan and all her furries.

- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]MaryChristine
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: Fire update
and lots and lots of paws
On 8/11/07, Kelly L mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It appears the kitten has been discovered so now down to only 2
missing adults,
Please keep all fingers and toes crossed for Susan..
Kelly





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Maybe That'll Make The Difference
MaryChristine

SUSAN AND FIRE CATS

2007-08-10 Thread Kelly L
Just wanted to pass on that Susan Hoffman has been able to capture 
all but 3 of the cats since her home burned down,,they are getting 
placed all over,,and right now her biggest need is a larger place to 
live in the bay area of California,,,

Thanks for all the good thoughts and she says Thanks to all
her email and cell are not in great shape no so  I   am communicating 
with her,,,

Thanks for the god thoughts.
Kelly Lane




FIRE!!!!!

2007-08-07 Thread Kelly L
So far there are now only 5 cats she has not found as 
yet,,Susan's  really big need is for fosters who can assist with 
adoptions and anyone knowing of animal friendly rentals between 
Vallejo and San Francisco,,she said she could go up to 1500 per month,,

If you can't reach her you can contact me also
p.m. and I will reach her,
thanks
Kelly
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




RE: EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!! House fire!!! (paypal for donations?)

2007-08-06 Thread Kelly L

At 07:04 AM 8/6/2007, you wrote:


I will speak for her and tell her thank so much..this morning early 
she was headed to check the traps for the remaining cats. I will keep 
all posted,

Thanks again for helping..
Kelly



Hi Kelly, just sent a $50 donation--wish it cd be more--to Susan via
Paypal. It's wonderful to hear she's in good spirits. I missed all the
email over the weekend but understood some of Susan's cats were missing.
From your email below it seems not? Would be wonderful if they are
indeed all safe--can you let me know when you have a moment. Thanks,
Kerry M.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly L
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 2:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!! (paypal for donations?)

At 11:51 AM 8/5/2007, you wrote:


thank you Nina
Her pay pal account is her email of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I spoke with her this morning.. she is in surprisingly good spirits
as like us her biggest condern was her cats and she had no
lossesbelongings can all be replaces
Thanks so much
  You are missed here Nina
Kelly




Kelly,
I'm getting you guys on digest now and am having a hard time finding
where you posted the paypal account to send donations for Susan and
her kids to.  Could you please repost it, with a link if
possible?  I've called a rescue-friend that lives in the Bay area
and she said she will start networking to see what can be done to
help.  I just can't believe it, this truly is our worst nightmare
come true for Susan and her charges.  I'm sending prayers and
soothing energy to help Susan and her cats rally and get through
this.  Susan is always so willing to pitch in and help those in
need, I just know that she will be paid back 100 fold for all her
kind deeds.  Thank you for keeping us informed and please let Susan
know we care.
Nina




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Re: EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!! House fire!!! (paypal for donations?)

2007-08-06 Thread Kelly L

At 08:48 AM 8/6/2007, you wrote:



they are in a varietyof places and in no danger so this will be 
the best way and her neighbors are also helping her

Thanks for the suggestion though Hideyo
Kelly



Kelly - I am wodnering if she can get an access to a drop trap - it 
will be so much easier to trap possibly all of the cats altogether 
very quickly with it -

- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kelly L
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:56 AM
Subject: RE: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!! (paypal for donations?)

At 07:04 AM 8/6/2007, you wrote:


I will speak for her and tell her thank so much..this morning early
she was headed to check the traps for the remaining cats. I will keep
all posted,
Thanks again for helping..
Kelly


Hi Kelly, just sent a $50 donation--wish it cd be more--to Susan via
Paypal. It's wonderful to hear she's in good spirits. I missed all the
email over the weekend but understood some of Susan's cats were missing.
 From your email below it seems not? Would be wonderful if they are
indeed all safe--can you let me know when you have a moment. Thanks,
Kerry M.

-Original Message-
From: 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]

[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly L
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 2:03 PM
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!! (paypal for donations?)

At 11:51 AM 8/5/2007, you wrote:


thank you Nina
Her pay pal account is her email of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I spoke with her this morning.. she is in surprisingly good spirits
as like us her biggest condern was her cats and she had no
lossesbelongings can all be replaces
Thanks so much
   You are missed here Nina
Kelly




 Kelly,
 I'm getting you guys on digest now and am having a hard time finding
 where you posted the paypal account to send donations for Susan and
 her kids to.  Could you please repost it, with a link if
 possible?  I've called a rescue-friend that lives in the Bay area
 and she said she will start networking to see what can be done to
 help.  I just can't believe it, this truly is our worst nightmare
 come true for Susan and her charges.  I'm sending prayers and
 soothing energy to help Susan and her cats rally and get through
 this.  Susan is always so willing to pitch in and help those in
 need, I just know that she will be paid back 100 fold for all her
 kind deeds.  Thank you for keeping us informed and please let Susan
 know we care.
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Re: EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!! House fire!!!

2007-08-05 Thread Kelly L

At 10:00 PM 8/4/2007, you wrote:


Yes she was getting them out of the house because of the fireno 
cats died,,but some are either hiding in the house or close by so now 
she is going over there with tuna and traps and carriers..It is so hard..

All of out worst nightmare
kelly



This is awful -- I did not understand the part you said only 7 or so 
accounted for -- does is mean 7 cats got out of the house and they are missing?

- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kelly L
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 5:54 PM
Subject: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!!

We all know Susan Hoffman...moderator of FIV2 group and wonderful
helper to ALL OF US 

This morning at 5am her home caught on fire,,She has many many cats
there and was in the process of doing a lot of kitten
adoptions,,,Fortunately the cats were saved and only 7 or so
accounted for,,she is looking for them

Please Please Please,,,Anyone willing to take in any for adoptionsd
as she will not be able to adopt out for the remainder of this
seasonAnyone one with any connections to rescue groups Please
contact he
The 2 cell phones she can be reached at are

415  238-8057 and 415  830-0026

Her email is
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
She will be checking at internet cafes etc until she can get back on
her own...she is currently in a one bedroom apartment with many ,,too
many firghtened cats
The fire was electrical,,
Please cross post
you can also contact me
Kelly  at 559   645-5050 or 559 978-1184

thanks




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Re: EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!! House fire!!!

2007-08-05 Thread Kelly L

At 10:08 PM 8/4/2007, you wrote:



I believe it started in the basement wiring and moves up
We could not talk too much today but she will be online again tomorrow..
Kelly

Also, I know you mentioned it was electrical - but do you know 
exactly how it happened?  Was it from a dryer or something?

How many cats does shw have in her apartment for adoption?
- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]HIDEYO YAMAMOTO
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!!

This is awful -- I did not understand the part you said only 7 or so 
accounted for -- does is mean 7 cats got out of the house and they are missing?

- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kelly L
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 5:54 PM
Subject: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!!

We all know Susan Hoffman...moderator of FIV2 group and wonderful
helper to ALL OF US 

This morning at 5am her home caught on fire,,She has many many cats
there and was in the process of doing a lot of kitten
adoptions,,,Fortunately the cats were saved and only 7 or so
accounted for,,she is looking for them

Please Please Please,,,Anyone willing to take in any for adoptionsd
as she will not be able to adopt out for the remainder of this
seasonAnyone one with any connections to rescue groups Please
contact he
The 2 cell phones she can be reached at are

415  238-8057 and 415  830-0026

Her email is
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
She will be checking at internet cafes etc until she can get back on
her own...she is currently in a one bedroom apartment with many ,,too
many firghtened cats
The fire was electrical,,
Please cross post
you can also contact me
Kelly  at 559   645-5050 or 559 978-1184

thanks




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Susan Hoffman

2007-08-05 Thread Kelly L
I just spoke to Susan...She id doing remarkably well and thanks 
everyone for all their help.. she is in a one bedroom for now with 
many many of her cats,, The thing she is in desperate need of are 
places for some of her fosters so they may be able to get adopted 
out,,, He personal cats are to be staying with her and I will be 
taking 3 of her outdoor ferals as my set up will work for that

Her pay pal account is
[EMAIL PROTECTED] of anyone might like to donate what they 
can,, she did lose everything,,but like us her priorities are he 
cat,,,someone gave her a bed,,,

thanks so much to all
boy are we animal people special or what
The cell phone she is back on is
415 3288057
she should get a land line in a day or two
Thanks so much everyone
Kelly




Re: To Glenda Re: using the media for the fire/Leslie's miracle story

2007-08-05 Thread Kelly L

At 09:40 AM 8/5/2007, you wrote:


susan is OK,,,Please do not involve the media for the reasons 
mentionedWe work under the wire..Thanks so much

Kelly




Wendy, I thought of that...I know in general, anyone
with a lot of cats is considered wacky...I do know ,
however ,no matter what people think of the people
involved, the kitties will get sympathy. I just was
not sure if she could project herself as a
shelter/rescue...It was just a thought to munch
on...Thank you for bringing this point up...It is a
very excellent/true observation...Glenda
--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey Glenda,

 The thing we may have to be careful of in this
 situation is the media.  They might put Susan in her
 one bedroom apartment with all those cats on TV, and
 I don't know what the pet limit laws are in San
 Francisco, but I'm betting animal control will get
 involved.  If the media only covered the fire and
 gave out Susan's contact info., that would be great,
 but I'm betting they'll want to know where the cats
 are now for the story, which probably wouldn't be
 good.

 The media, however, can be used for good in some
 situations.  We had a member here, Leslie, back in
 October whose cats got carjacked in Washington
 state, if you can believe it!  Thanks to the media
 (TV coverage), she got both her wonderful cats back
 in a matter of time, a couple of days or so.  The
 thief left the car with the windows open in a retail
 area, and the cats got out.  It is a miracle they
 weren't killed.  One was found at a shelter and the
 other hanging around one of the stores, I believe.
 It's one of my all time favorite stories now.

 :)
 Wendy

 Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful
 committed citizens can change the world - indeed it
 is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade
 ~~~


 - Original Message 
 From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2007 2:02:05 AM
 Subject: Re: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!!


 How very sad. This is near  where I was raised...so
 I
 can feel it very deeply. I have heard San Francisco
 has become very progressive in caring for it's
 homeless pet populations, as well as everything to
 do
 with controlling it's pet populations.Is anyone
 familiar with their policies, as I am always
 interested in learning the different secrets of
 success.I think Las Vegas, Nevada is another such
 place???
 Anyway, it would seem, if this is the case ,with a
 fair amount of publicity to make people aware of
 this
 tragedy, there might be an out pouring of sympathy
 for
 these cats...I guess I am just being hopeful? I do,
 however have faith in my fellow Californians...I'm
 so
 sorry for everyone involved...Glenda
 --- Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  At 10:08 PM 8/4/2007, you wrote:
 
 
 
  I believe it started in the basement wiring and
  moves up
  We could not talk too much today but she will be
  online again tomorrow..
  Kelly
 
  Also, I know you mentioned it was electrical -
 but
  do you know
  exactly how it happened?  Was it from a dryer or
  something?
  How many cats does shw have in her apartment for
  adoption?
  - Original Message -
  From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]HIDEYO
  YAMAMOTO
  To:
 

mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 11:00 PM
  Subject: Re: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!!
  
  This is awful -- I did not understand the part
 you
  said only 7 or so
  accounted for -- does is mean 7 cats got out of
 the
  house and they are missing?
  - Original Message -
  From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kelly L
  To:
 

mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 5:54 PM
  Subject: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!!
  
  We all know Susan Hoffman...moderator of FIV2
 group
  and wonderful
  helper to ALL OF US 
  
  This morning at 5am her home caught on fire,,She
  has many many cats
  there and was in the process of doing a lot of
  kitten
  adoptions,,,Fortunately the cats were saved and
  only 7 or so
  accounted for,,she is looking for them
  
  Please Please Please,,,Anyone willing to take in
  any for adoptionsd
  as she will not be able to adopt out for the
  remainder of this
  seasonAnyone one with any connections to
  rescue groups Please
  contact he
  The 2 cell phones she can be reached at are
  
  415  238-8057 and 415  830-0026
  
  Her email is
 

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
  She will be checking at internet cafes etc until
  she can get back on
  her own...she is currently in a one bedroom
  apartment with many ,,too
  many firghtened cats
  The fire was electrical,,
  Please cross post
  you can also contact me
  Kelly  at 559   645-5050 or 559 978-1184
  
  thanks
  
  
  
  
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Re: EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!! House fire!!! (paypal for donations?)

2007-08-05 Thread Kelly L

At 11:51 AM 8/5/2007, you wrote:


thank you Nina
Her pay pal account is her email of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I spoke with her this morning.. she is in surprisingly good spirits 
as like us her biggest condern was her cats and she had no 
lossesbelongings can all be replaces

Thanks so much
 You are missed here Nina
Kelly





Kelly,
I'm getting you guys on digest now and am having a hard time finding 
where you posted the paypal account to send donations for Susan and 
her kids to.  Could you please repost it, with a link if 
possible?  I've called a rescue-friend that lives in the Bay area 
and she said she will start networking to see what can be done to 
help.  I just can't believe it, this truly is our worst nightmare 
come true for Susan and her charges.  I'm sending prayers and 
soothing energy to help Susan and her cats rally and get through 
this.  Susan is always so willing to pitch in and help those in 
need, I just know that she will be paid back 100 fold for all her 
kind deeds.  Thank you for keeping us informed and please let Susan 
know we care.

Nina




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EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!! House fire!!!

2007-08-04 Thread Kelly L
We all know Susan Hoffman...moderator of FIV2 group and wonderful 
helper to ALL OF US 


This morning at 5am her home caught on fire,,She has many many cats 
there and was in the process of doing a lot of kitten 
adoptions,,,Fortunately the cats were saved and only 7 or so 
accounted for,,she is looking for them


Please Please Please,,,Anyone willing to take in any for adoptionsd 
as she will not be able to adopt out for the remainder of this 
seasonAnyone one with any connections to rescue groups Please 
contact he

The 2 cell phones she can be reached at are

415  238-8057 and 415  830-0026

Her email is
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
She will be checking at internet cafes etc until she can get back on 
her own...she is currently in a one bedroom apartment with many ,,too 
many firghtened cats

The fire was electrical,,
Please cross post
you can also contact me
Kelly  at 559   645-5050 or 559 978-1184

thanks 





RE: EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!! House fire!!!

2007-08-04 Thread Kelly L

At 05:35 PM 8/4/2007, you wrote:




She is in the San Francisco bay area of California.




Where is she--city, state??

Christiane Biagi
914-632-4672
Cell:  914-720-6888
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)
www.findkpets.org

Join Us  Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly L
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 7:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!!

We all know Susan Hoffman...moderator of FIV2 group and wonderful
helper to ALL OF US 

This morning at 5am her home caught on fire,,She has many many cats
there and was in the process of doing a lot of kitten
adoptions,,,Fortunately the cats were saved and only 7 or so
accounted for,,she is looking for them

Please Please Please,,,Anyone willing to take in any for adoptionsd
as she will not be able to adopt out for the remainder of this
seasonAnyone one with any connections to rescue groups Please
contact he
The 2 cell phones she can be reached at are

415  238-8057 and 415  830-0026

Her email is
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
She will be checking at internet cafes etc until she can get back on
her own...she is currently in a one bedroom apartment with many ,,too
many firghtened cats
The fire was electrical,,
Please cross post
you can also contact me
Kelly  at 559   645-5050 or 559 978-1184

thanks






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Re: EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!! House fire!!!

2007-08-04 Thread Kelly L

At 05:44 PM 8/4/2007, you wrote:

thank you..she is quite desperate now and she has always been there for us
Kelly




Consider it done I have sent to numerous groups I'm on as well 
private people to try and help Susan.

Hope she hears from them soon.

Terrie Mohr-Forker

TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS
SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
Donations accepted at:
https://www.paypal.com/https://www.paypal.com/


http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/

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Re: EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!! House fire!!!

2007-08-04 Thread Kelly L

At 06:14 PM 8/4/2007, you wrote:


Where is Susan located Kelly?




Bay area of california





Thanks,
Wendy

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can 
change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ 
Margaret Meade ~~~



- Original Message 
From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, August 4, 2007 6:54:03 PM
Subject: EMERGENCY!! House fire!!!


We all know Susan Hoffman...moderator of FIV2 group and wonderful
helper to ALL OF US 

This morning at 5am her home caught on fire,,She has many many cats
there and was in the process of doing a lot of kitten
adoptions,,,Fortunately the cats were saved and only 7 or so
accounted for,,she is looking for them

Please Please Please,,,Anyone willing to take in any for adoptionsd
as she will not be able to adopt out for the remainder of this
seasonAnyone one with any connections to rescue groups Please
contact he
The 2 cell phones she can be reached at are

415  238-8057 and 415  830-0026

Her email is
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
She will be checking at internet cafes etc until she can get back on
her own...she is currently in a one bedroom apartment with many ,,too
many firghtened cats
The fire was electrical,,
Please cross post
you can also contact me
Kelly  at 559   645-5050 or 559 978-1184

thanks



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Re: Monkee is gone

2007-07-16 Thread Kelly L

At 08:47 AM 7/16/2007, you wrote:


Oh Caroline
I am so truly sorry and i wish i had some magic words to help the 
pain..but Ido not soi can say that I understand you much you are 
hurting and if all of us here each take a little but of your 
pain,,,that may help a little bit.
Time WILL be your friend,,and of course all of us here who feel like 
we are living aboard the Titanicjust waiting with no lifeboats 
available,,,but we have each other and we give our kitties the best 
of everything, We should always remember that unlike ourselves, They 
live in the present and for Monkee that present was full of love

Kelly





My beloved cat Monkee passed last night in my arms while I held him 
with my Mom standing next to my side.  At about 2:30 a.m.


We were going to take him to Dr. Maier's for euthanasia this morning 
at 8:00 a.m.  I thought he could make it until then and that he 
wouldn't want to go to a strange emergency vet clinic he'd never 
been to before for his passing.  I didn't know he was that bad.  I 
feel so bad.  It was so horrible.  He was having some trouble 
breathing, but I was usually able to calm him down by holding him 
and giving him flower essences.  He had begun to have trouble 
walking and he would cry at me really loudly when he wasn't able to 
do something he wanted to do because his brain was not getting 
enough oxygen (like walk around).  I didn't want him to be in pain 
or suffer and I feel like I failed him.


He did go really quick, but I was hysterical as it was 
happening.  We were on my bed and I was holding him.  He took a last 
gasp of air and then he stopped.  When his body when limp, I felt 
like I might die too.  I think the only thing that helped me and my 
mom was that she has rescue remedy with her and we both took it 
right away.  It sounds odd to say that, but immediately after it 
happened, I felt a sense of peace-- for him.  I think the rescue 
remedy helped my breathing at that time.  I just held him afterwards 
and talked to him  and pet him and kissed him for about two 
hours.  I told him how wonderful he was and that I would never be 
the same without him.  I walked around the house, sat with him on 
the porch he loved so much and took him outside for his last time to 
hold him while sitting on the front steps.


I have never had an animal die in my arms like that and to have it 
be my best friend-- the best companion I've ever had...my heart just 
feels like it's wrenching in half.  I feel guilty and 
traumatized.  I am having a hard time erasing the memories of his 
passing.  When I close my eyes, I see his face as he took his last 
breath.  I don't how to recover from that.
I've never been lonely since I had Monkee and now that he's gone, 
that loneliness is crashing in.


I hope all of you are able to continue to care for your cats and 
give them the peace and love that they so desperately need.  I 
admire those of you who take care of multiple FelV cats and have 
lost some in the past and continue to keep doing the work that you 
do.  My thoughts and my prayers are now with all of you and your 
babies.  I felt like I didn't have the mental energy to devote many 
of my prayers in the past few weeks to any cat other than Monkee, 
but I will be praying for you now.


I also wanted to remind everyone that you never really know the 
power of what love can do for a cat like Monkee, until you 
experience it.  When I found him, he was a crazy, dirty, little 
ragamuffin eating doves, baby rabbits, and whatever else he could 
catch in the courtyard of my law school apartment complex in 
Northern Ky 4 years ago.  And four years and 1 month ago, I couldn't 
take his living it up in the killing fields- as I called it- 
anymore.  It took so long to get him to be a somewhat normal 
cat.  Something bad must have happened to him because he was already 
neutered when I found him, so he had to have belong to someone.  He 
was deathly afraid of men and it took until probably about this past 
year for that fear to almost subside.  I don't think anyone else in 
my life (other than myself) believed that he'd ever be trusting, 
cuddling, sweet, lfunny, love-bug that he was with me.  The first 
time I turned on my radio and my tv after I had brought him into my 
life, he freaked out and hid under the bed for hours.  After lots of 
love and being spoiled rotten, and having four years to experience 
as many things as possible, he had truly become my best friend.  He 
would comfort me when something went horribly wrong in my life and 
the past 4 years have been pretty turbulent for me so he had a lot 
of comforting to do.  He was what always cheered me up when I was at 
my lowest low and he was what kept going.  He slept on my bed with 
me every night and even when I was just away for one night, I would 
miss him and miss having him there in the morning to wake up 
with.  I am going to miss him so much.


I also wanted to say Thank You for being such an instant support 
group

From Best Friends

2007-07-13 Thread Kelly L


California’s controversial mandatory spay/neuter 
bill went down in flames this week – withdrawn 
just before it would have been voted down in the 
state senate. It will be back again next year, 
and Best Friends has some proposals as to how it should be re-framed.


That’s because, by the time it got close to being 
voted on, the bill had so many amendments and 
exemptions (including anyone who wanted to have a 
litter of puppies!) that it was no longer serving 
its purpose. More than that, if you’re going to 
have mandatory spay/neuter, then you also have to 
have low-cost easy-access spay/neuter for all the 
people who can’t otherwise get their pets fixed.


The bill is going to be reintroduced next year, 
and we’re offering to work closely with the 
authors to produce a bill that can really work 
and that can be a model for other states with similar good intentions.


http://www.ne16.com/t/2950596/143412441/22217415/0/Read 
the press release and news story here.


Best Friends is dogmatic not dog friendly

2007-07-13 Thread Kelly L

I can no longer support Best Friends and their dogma...
I have had several problems about having differing opinions on their 
forum and any disagreements...very polite ones are pulled off by the 
moderators,,,
today I posted my disappointment at best Friends not supporting the 
Spay and neuter bill, I was polite but it was my opinionI 
specifically asked at the end for Marion not to pull the post


Guess what she did pull it.
Kelly lane
www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com







Re: Another vet's research re various treatments

2007-07-07 Thread Kelly L

At 07:36 PM 7/7/2007, you wrote:



I am using immuno regulin and Alferon, ( natural 
interferon)  I am not using the Acemamman.
My felv kitty has been asymptomatic and these are 
basically prophylactic treatments, I do know the 
pred ( and I would probably use the 
prednisolone)  doe help the rbs destruction, 
depending upon the cause. I used the I.R per 
protocol initially IV  and am now doing .5cc IM q 
month like they are doing for the FELV cats in the FELV area at Best Friends.

Best of Luck
kelly






Offered as information
This was in response to my inquiry about treating with immunoreglin

Re: immunoreglin ~ most of the FeLV eexperts 
feel that it has not been shown to have any 
positive benefit for cats with FeLV.  Examples:


My hospital was involved in a nationwide 
testing of Immunoregulin. The clinical trial was 
cancelled midway thru the trial because their 
own clinical staff said things were not looking 
positive. Immunoregulin is IV, and we used it at 
0.5cc once a week. You have to shake the bottle 
really well to mix thoroughly. There isn't 
really any downside to it, but it will not help 
any more than interferon or staph lysate. Your 
patient needs steroids to help prevent the RBC destruction.



In the interim between posting my question and 
reading your reply, our little cat became 
acutely febrile (106.3) and was hospitalized 
overnight on fluids, antibiotics and Interferon. 
She kicked her fever within 24 hours, and is now 
home on daily cefadrops with Interferon. We are 
also going to try Immunoreglin and Acemannan 
with this little peanut...Do you have any 
experience with Immunoreglin or Acemannan?


 Do you have any experience with 
Immunoreglin or Acemannan?  Neither have 
been shown to have any demonstrable benefit in controlled studies.





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Re: to Kelly L

2007-07-05 Thread Kelly L

At 07:24 PM 7/5/2007, you wrote:

Hi, Kelly, could you forward me the study done by italian group on 
Alferon again?  Someone needs it and I don't have a copy as I 
changed my email address.. thank you!


Sure Hideyo, but please give me your email address as I cannot send 
it to the group as a pdf file,,,I won't go through.

Kelly




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Re: vet recommending doxy and pred for Isabella

2007-07-02 Thread Kelly L

At 07:28 PM 7/2/2007, you wrote:



I think it is sure worth a try, Cats tolerate pred so much better 
than dogs, and I use IR. I am sure you vet will give it IV which is 
the very best way,

best of luck
Kelly


Hi. I have not seen much discussion about prednisone. This and doxy 
are what my vet is recommending. He is willing to also try IR. Isa 
has been more lethargic the past few days. Am taking her tomorrow 
for weight and temp check. She is still eating ~more like grazing. 
Any thoughts on the pred? Doxy? Her anemia is non-regenerative.

Thanks
Laurie



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Re: Sylvester, double pos, goes to Best Friends!

2007-07-01 Thread Kelly L

At 07:35 AM 7/1/2007, you wrote:


Yeah yeah yeah!!!He is going to the best of all possible places,
Kelly Lane


A local Austin double positive cat, Sylvester, left today for Best 
Friends Animal Sanctuary.


The Best Friends community really pulled together to donate money 
for his trip.


Here is his story!

http://network.bestfriends.org/MessageBoards/Forum.aspx?g=674bb7d3224f481ba52a9ddfb13c5baef=1370http://network.bestfriends.org/MessageBoards/Forum.aspx?g=674bb7d3224f481ba52a9ddfb13c5baef=1370 



Well, I found out you cannot link directly to his story; however, it 
is at the top of this forum under Help Needed to Transport Sylvester to Kanab


The next person who goes out to BF, please give me a report.:)  One 
day I will go to BF, but finances are not allowing me atm.




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Re: goodbye. MC ~ please read if you are still around

2007-07-01 Thread Kelly L

At 02:15 PM 7/1/2007, you wrote:


For those of us belonging to many forums this is perhaps the most 
informative and the saddest with continual loses.
All families argue..and the best thing we can do is to send our 
private discussions in a private email.

that way our insults can be directed at the proper persons
This a very informative knowledgeable group and so supportive,,,
We are all different in many aspects. many call the powers of their 
god to help,, Me, an atheist do not do god,,or animal communicators. 
but the most important thing is WE ALL LOVE AND CARE FOR OUR FELINE 
FRIENDS ...we are all here for each other.

this a good place
Kelly


I agree with Jane. I have been here a week or less and already rely 
on this group. My Isabella isn't doing so well and I need the 
help.  MC you have been a great resource already. Please, can we put 
principles above personalities and focus on the felines we are here 
to help? Just a suggestion.

I wish everyone the best,
Laurie
- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jane Lyons
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: goodbye.

I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a new person (me) it is very
sad since I've come to rely on this list as a lifeline for my Felv 
positive cat.


I use two vets, one of them well known nationally, and neither of 
them have the

knowledge and experience that you guys (collectively) have of Feline Leukemia.
This is a priceless resource, especially for people like myself, who 
come here shell
shocked and need to hear the reality from the frontline, not 
theory nor statistics.


My little cat, who came from an over burdened colony situation, 
having been thrown
on their porch from a moving car, is so much better and it is 
largely the result of the
information that I got here. Also, I was so grateful to be able to 
express the grief and
fear I initially felt, knowing I was with people who really loved 
their cats, and who would

(hopefully) understand.

It must be difficult repeating the same information over and over 
again, and having to
adjust to a lot of personalities and dysfunction, but if the bottom 
line is helping cats,

your time is not in vain.

I came here four weeks ago with a kitten suffering from giardia, 
stomatitis, very badly
swollen glands, constant sneezing, runny nose, diarrhea and very 
poor appetite.


I am happy to report we now have formed stools, no swollen glands, 
an occasional sneeze
and wet nose and a ravenous appetite. The stomatitis seems to be 
healed on the bottom
of her mouth, although the top is still red, but not as inflamed as 
it had been. For the first

time in her little life she seems comfortable and very content.

I hope things here can be worked out. We are very grateful to all of you.

Jane (and a much improved MeMe)









On Jul 1, 2007, at 3:36 PM, elizabeth trent wrote:

Maybe when you stop being an air head and an @$$ you will come 
back.  Love ya M.C.


elizabeth in alabama, phelix, antonio, tiffany, lexie, tori, shakiti, othello


On 7/1/07, ?fontfamily?param 
HelveticaMaryChristine?/fontfamily ?color?param 
,,[EMAIL PROTECTED]?/color wrote: enough.


if you want to talk with me, you know where i am.

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Re: Isabella's blood work and other Qs

2007-06-30 Thread Kelly L

At 07:25 PM 6/30/2007, you wrote:

When cats go on interferon the dosage is minuscule compared to what 
is given to people. Unless you are using the Feline Omega interferon. 
I use Alferon , the natural interferon and if you are interested I 
can email you the file, the alpha interferon is also given is very 
very small doses and works differently than is used with people,

Kelly


Hi ~ I am resending this in hopes for some feed back. (I will read 
the info about meds as suggested). I know of a human on interferon 
who is very lethargic. Do people see this with cats on interferon? I 
ask because Isabella is most active after we give fluids but 
generally pretty laid backwould appreciate any input ...thanks!

Laurie

Hello and many thanks to all who responded (what a knowledgable and 
supportive group).

Q: Is the immunoregulin something I would use **instead** of interferon?


For those who responded about Revolution ~ we won't use this again. 
One of my cats with allergies responded very negatively to 
Advantage. So, I just have to hope we keep fleas at bay. We are 
100% indoors but I work in my wildlife friendly yard and understand 
I could bring one inside.


What is IM, please?


Isabella's counts were as follows: (numbers in parens are normal ranges)
WBC 3.65 (5.5-19.5)
HCT  20.6 (30-45)
RBC  3.72 (5-10)
HGB  8.1 (9-15.1)
GLOB (globulin?) 6.2 (2.8-5.1)
Total protein 9.1 (5.7-8.9)
Her Neut(?), Eosiniphils and PLT were all below normal
MCHC and MCH were above normal

The numbers that were desginated as being most dramatically off were:
Glob, Neut,HCT, RBC. MCHC and MCH

Any input greatly appreciatedthanks!
Laurie


- Original Message - From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp



Laurie,

My cat Smokey had the same problem with fevers.  After
many different stays in the hospital and 1 doctor at
my vet's office that didn't really seem like she
wanted to help Smokey I changed the vet he goes to.
The new vet started him on the immunoregulin.  She had
me give it to him subq.  It says IV but Smokey would
have never let her or me do that.  We started giving
him injections 2 times a week for a month or so then
gradually decreased the dosage.  Now I give it to him
once a month.  It has been well over a year since he
has had a fever.  I hope this might help you with
Isabella.

I won't use Revolution anymore.  Back in May we went
camping and I took my diabetic cat (Katie) with us.  I
used it because I was worried about mosquitoes getting
into the camper. This was the first time I had ever
used it.  I know Katie had a reaction to it because
she developed diarrhea.  She didn't have it before I
put it on her.  Her skin became really flaky too.

I hope your Isabella starts feeling better soon.

Cindy Reasoner








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Re: IR issues

2007-06-29 Thread Kelly L

At 01:58 PM 6/29/2007, you wrote:


Best Friends uses it I.M. as I now am... I used it I.V in the past,
Kelly



Just got my order of IR, and my vet just confirmed the
dose.  On their package it says to give once a week
for 2 weeks, and then once a month for 20 months or
until the IFA or ELISA comes back negative???

That is quite a claim.  Anyway the tech said i could
do IM as well as subQ.  Any of you IR users have any
comments on this???

Dede and KI

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Re: Please help - miscarriage

2007-06-18 Thread Kelly L

At 05:30 PM 6/18/2007, you wrote:

It is an emergency as she could still have the placenta or another 
kiten there. the can give her oxytocin to increase contraction and 
expell what is still inside her. He may have a dead kitten in her and 
become infected rapidly

Please goHideyo
kelly



Hi, one of my rescued kitties just have had miscarriage -- the vet 
told me to take her to the emergency if she has fever ---she has 104 
fever, but she seems alert.. and I don't want to stress her by 
taking her to the emergency as I don't know what they can do for her 
anyway... if you have any experience, please let me know -- she is 
not bleeding anymore or does not have odor.. it's hot and breathing 
a bit fast..


Hideyo


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Re: Kisa is gone, thank you all

2007-06-15 Thread Kelly L

At 08:33 PM 6/15/2007, you wrote:

Cassandra
 You have been through so very much and I am hoping with all my 
heart that Tomi will show signs of improvement,
Yes we all understand the pain of loving animals with life 
threatening illnesses and we understand your grief, i hate to admit 
this but I did not have the grief when I lost my dad that Ido when I 
lost one of my sweet babies. Only those here will understand.

all my thoughts and hopes and good energy going to you
Kelly



I just want to thank you all for your many kind words and thoughts 
regarding Kisa, Koda, and Tomi.


This is one of the few places where I feel comfortable sharing how 
strongly I feel about my babies and how deeply saddened I am by 
their illnesses.  My husband is about the only other person who 
understands how much our kitties mean to both him and I.  Most other 
people I know don't understand the deep bond one can have with an animal.


All your replies have meant much to me, and made me feel better.  It 
is amazing that you have never met my babies or I, and yet can offer 
so many words of reassurance.


I am missing Kisa terribly, as she was so much fun to have 
around.  She was the social one, who interacted with my other cats, 
grooming and playing.  Now I have three kitties left who have 
nothing at all to do with each other.  I think they all miss her.


Sadly, I am not having much time to grieve for Kisa, because I 
believe Tomi is getting sick again.  The last few days, he seems to 
be getting more anemic again, and he vomited tonight.  After he 
vomited, he was panting for a few seconds.  I'm also worried that he 
hasn't grown back the hair on his neck that was shaved 3 months ago 
for his blood test.  It still looks like it did a week after it was shaved.
I'm thinking of bringing him into the vet again, even though they 
wanted to put him to sleep 2 months ago.  I was wondering if his 
hemobartonella may be coming back, and that should be simple enough 
for them to test for.


I am so scared to have to go through this again so soon, and afraid 
Tomi won't be able to pull off a miracle a second time.  I almost 
feel like we are being punished for something, the way this 
nightmare seems to be unfolding.


Cassandra
- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]C  J
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:50 PM
Subject: Kisa is gone :(

Kisa passed away this morning while I was at work, exactly one month 
after Koda.  My heart is broken, especially since I wasn't there 
with her at the end.


I had prayed and hoped so much that she would continue to improve 
after she started eating again a week and a half ago.  I suppose it 
was just too much for her to overcome.  The anemia never really did 
improve much. Though her breathing was better, her skin was so pale.


The last few days, her appetite faltered again, and she was getting 
weaker.  I didn't think today would be the day she died, though i'm 
relieved she didn't have to go on suffering much longer.  I don't 
think she was in pain, and I sincerely hope she wasn't in pain at 
the end.  It was just so hard to see her so weak when she was as 
active and happy as a kitten 3 weeks ago.


Kisa is going to be missed more than words can say.  She never quite 
saw her 3rd birthday, but the time she spent with us will never be 
forgotten.  She was special in so many ways, I wouldn't even know 
where to start to list them all.  Fearless, loving, gentle, playful, 
curious, and sweet are just a few of the words that describe 
her.  She's been sleeping on my pillow the last few nights, and i'm 
going to miss her warmth so much.


If it ever stops raining, she will be buried next to Koda 
tonight.  I made a rock garden full of flowers on top of Koda's 
grave.  Now Kisa will join her there.


Cassandra


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2007-06-12 Thread Kelly L





Kisa

2007-06-12 Thread Kelly L

Cassandra

I am so saddened by Kissa's crossing. Words just don't really ease 
thepain, but knowing you are among friends who understand and care. 
Kisa is no longer having pain or trouble breathing, she is free of 
all of that and she was so loved.

Kelly




Re: CLS for Jet

2007-06-12 Thread Kelly L

At 08:52 PM 6/12/2007, you wrote:


What a charmed life she lead with you and though much too soon what a 
peaceful  journey across the bridge cuddled up with her family, I am 
so very sorry.

Kelly



 My sweet black cat Jet just passed away just a few minutes ago 
June 12, 2007
She is the 5th of the 6 FeLV+ cats from Angel Wings... She has been 
here with me
for 2 years.. She is probably about 5 years old... She has been 
healthy all the time
she was here and enjoyed her life here with Marie and myself and all 
the other cats...
She has been especially close to my feral cat who was just starting 
to tame when jet
came here... Jet most often slept curled up next to me and that's 
where she was tonight
when I felt those now all to familiar little muscle contractions 
that signals when life has

left the body on this earth...
I knew her time was coming about a month ago when she started acting 
like an older
cat and slowed down sum but even tonight she was eating but she had 
been acting
quite weak today and only an hour before she passed was the 1st time 
that she wasn't
able to stand up and walk... I pulled her up close to me and she 
felt comfortable...


We all will miss our Jet Cat...
Tad and Marie.





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Re: Please add Nookie to CLS

2007-06-12 Thread Kelly L

At 09:10 PM 6/12/2007, you wrote:


She was at home and at peace. Now I hope you can find some of that 
peace. all my warmest wishes for you

Kelly




Nookie passed on saturday night.  She was a feral we took in a year 
ago, and though she hide quite a bit she was finally coming out and 
hanging out near us.  She curled up into the little hiding place we 
made for her under the stairs and passed away peacefully.

Thank you for all the support
Jeni
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Oh My A/C??

2007-06-11 Thread Kelly L
I will certainly not insult anyone intentionally. I think A.C is sort 
of like reading tea leaves,numerology,,astrology and religion, and 
also homeopathy. If it works for you,,go for it, To each his own. 
Everyone has their own comfort level.
Everyone here cares about their cats and other peoples cats as well 
and that makes them all special in my book.

We will surely disagree often, but we all care!
Kelly the proud atheist.
and more important. the person owned by many cats.




Re: To Phaewryn: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading.

2007-06-11 Thread Kelly L

At 12:25 PM 6/11/2007, you wrote:



Wendy..spoken so very well.
as I mentioned before, I may not believe but I respect everyone here. 
this is  one the most supportive and informative groups I belong to, 
For those who remember last year and the recovery/return of the 2 
FELV cats from the carjackingWe are here to support each other, 
perhaps Phaewrn was upset at me regarding my attitude on declawing 
stating euthanasia is never i viable alternative,

We all suffer for and with our animals and this is a great bunch of people.
If anyone has anything personal to say. Use a private email rather 
than post to the group.

Kelly
www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com




Phaewryn,

This is the 3rd time in a year that you have gone off
on other members inappropriately and then claimed to
be leaving.  I think you need to stop.  It is not
right or fair to insult other people and then stick
your neck in the sand.  No one here agrees 100% with
any other member on this site.  When this happens,
either we respectfully disagree, or we just don't say
anything.  There is no reason to go on a mission to
destroy.  It is so clear that when you do this,
there's much more underlying your verbal spews that
has nothing to do with this group and everything to do
with your own life.  If you are stressed out, stop
taking it out here.  It's not right.

I completely disagree with your statement that for the
past year that the validity of the site has been
laughable.  If you remember, I joined this list a year
a half ago.  I have learned SO MUCH from this list in
the past year a half, and that knowledge has spurred
me to do a lot of further research.  I am actually
able to help others here.  I came here so needy and
ignorant only to come out more knowledgeable on many
aspects of feline care, all because of the loving
members of this group.  That includes you.  No, I
didn't prescribe to all the advice given, but took it
all in, did my own research, and am still paying it
back to new members who came her just like I did.  The
validity of this group is just as strong as it was six
years ago.

What you say about a/c's could be true, but you don't
know.  I don't know.  Neither of us have tried one.
You can't prove anything intangible exists anyway.
What would you say to someone who says you don't love
your son because it can't be proven?  Indeed, it
cannot be proven in a quantitative or tangible way, as
no intangibles can.  You can't see them, you can't
touch them.  But nevertheless, your love for your son
IS there and it IS true.  Same way for faith in God
for some of us.  So I hope that you will begin to
question your own belief that unless you can prove
something, it might as well not exist.

There is suffering in the world so we can grow.  If
there were no suffering, there would be no happiness.
You cannot know real happiness if you never have
struggles and make personal growth.  And FYI, prayer
is not crap.  You have asked for it yourself here.

Please, make an effort to hold your tongue.  The
24-hour rule always works for me.  Write your letter
in a word document, save it, and go back and read it
in 24 hours.  Revise as needed.  You might need 48
hours.  I did it when writing this post to you.  I
waited until I slept on it before responding.  And my
post shows much less anger, and more sense than it
would have had I immediately responded.

Save your sarcasm for yourself.  No one else
appreciates it.  Dealing with sick animals is hard
enough without you making everyone feel badly.  I felt
like you once, over ten years ago, making everyone
around me feel bad because I felt bad inside.  I got
help with a great counselor for a year.  Worked
through a lot of childhood issues.  Some adult issues.
 I've been a new woman ever since.  Stronger, more
secure, and most importantly, happier with who I am.
I'll never regret my decision to get help.  I wouldn't
wish on my worst enemy to feel like I did before I got
help.  And I certainly don't wish it on you or anyone
else on this list.  I truly hope, and will pray, that
you find some way to deal with these issues in your
personal life that keep plaguing you.  Life has so
much to offer us.

Sincerely,
Wendy

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Re: To Phaewryn: Re: OT - animal communication - please just

2007-06-11 Thread Kelly L

At 02:46 PM 6/11/2007, you wrote:


If you noticed I just mentioned you and have been wonderingIt was 
my miracle story of last year, and regardless..for me it was the 
group getting together and doing something.

Hugs to the babies and glad you are still here.
Kelly ( we spoke on the phone)
www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com





Hi guys,
Too bad that when I pop my head back in the door, I see strife!  For 
those of you who don't know me, I'm the one that had the two cat 
carjacked last fall.  I'm also pretty straightlaced when it comes to 
the spiritual world - or at least across the board dubious - but 
dear Hideyo piped in about a visualization and Nina wrote about 
feeling connections and everyone that wrote about support and love 
and thoughts...well it helped 100%.  More.  And for those of you who 
don't know, my sweet Satchmo and Beatrix were found within 48 
hours.  Yes, it's impossible to run the experiment again and not to 
use visualization and positive thought to see if they could have 
been found anyway, but even if just in my frenzied head and heart, 
it helped immensely.


Anyway, can someone please forward Wendy's message to Phaewryn's 
personal email?  As she ducks out after releasing her thoughts, I 
don't know if she really understands the hurtful aftermath.  I don't 
have any of her contact information, but I think that it would be a good idea.


Thanks, here's hoping the sun is shining again the next time I 
unearth myself.  ;)


Leslie

ps Bea and Satch are doing GREAT and keeping their paws full with 
the new canine addition to the family, Charlotte.



From: wendy mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: To Phaewryn: Re: OT - animal communication - please just
   delete  without reading.

Phaewryn,

This is the 3rd time in a year that you have gone off
on other members inappropriately and then claimed to
be leaving.  I think you need to stop.  It is not
right or fair to insult other people and then stick
your neck in the sand.  No one here agrees 100% with
any other member on this site.  When this happens,
either we respectfully disagree, or we just don't say
anything.  There is no reason to go on a mission to
destroy.  It is so clear that when you do this,
there's much more underlying your verbal spews that
has nothing to do with this group and everything to do
with your own life.  If you are stressed out, stop
taking it out here.  It's not right.

I completely disagree with your statement that for the
past year that the validity of the site has been
laughable.  If you remember, I joined this list a year
a half ago.  I have learned SO MUCH from this list in
the past year a half, and that knowledge has spurred
me to do a lot of further research.  I am actually
able to help others here.  I came here so needy and
ignorant only to come out more knowledgeable on many
aspects of feline care, all because of the loving
members of this group.  That includes you.  No, I
didn't prescribe to all the advice given, but took it
all in, did my own research, and am still paying it
back to new members who came her just like I did.  The
validity of this group is just as strong as it was six
years ago.

What you say about a/c's could be true, but you don't
know.  I don't know.  Neither of us have tried one.
You can't prove anything intangible exists anyway.
What would you say to someone who says you don't love
your son because it can't be proven?  Indeed, it
cannot be proven in a quantitative or tangible way, as
no intangibles can.  You can't see them, you can't
touch them.  But nevertheless, your love for your son
IS there and it IS true.  Same way for faith in God
for some of us.  So I hope that you will begin to
question your own belief that unless you can prove
something, it might as well not exist.

There is suffering in the world so we can grow.  If
there were no suffering, there would be no happiness.
You cannot know real happiness if you never have
struggles and make personal growth.  And FYI, prayer
is not crap.  You have asked for it yourself here.

Please, make an effort to hold your tongue.  The
24-hour rule always works for me.  Write your letter
in a word document, save it, and go back and read it
in 24 hours.  Revise as needed.  You might need 48
hours.  I did it when writing this post to you.  I
waited until I slept on it before responding.  And my
post shows much less anger, and more sense than it
would have had I immediately responded.

Save your sarcasm for yourself.  No one else
appreciates it.  Dealing with sick animals is hard
enough without you making everyone feel badly.  I felt
like you once, over ten years ago, making everyone
around me feel bad because I felt bad inside.  I got
help with a great counselor for a year.  Worked
through a lot of childhood issues.  Some adult issues.
I've been a new woman ever since.  Stronger, more
secure, and most importantly, happier with who I am.
I'll never regret my decision to get help.  I wouldn't
wish on my worst enemy

Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.

2007-06-10 Thread Kelly L

At 04:56 AM 6/10/2007, you wrote:


I did not even get in to that issue but it is an important one. Many 
many elderly persons bleet with a touch as theri skin is so thin. 
Mine is like that now and i never heal . I try to wark long sleeves 
but I am very scared up. If a person is a diabetic it is  much worse 
as they infect so easily. they are all choices we make in this world 
and i would rather see a kitty declawed than allowed to live out doors.

Kelly


I have to support Kelly.  I will go to any possible lengths to avoid 
declawing but there are times it is in both the cat's and 
caregiver's best interest.  There is laser technology available that 
takes most of the pain out of it surgery.  I had my mother's cat 
declawed because every time she (the cat) even looked at Mom, Mom 
bled profusely and it took hours to stop the bleeding.  Never mind 
the bruises.  Kitty did not mean to hurt Mom but just routine 
stretching produces nails.  Neither she nor the other cat seemed any 
worse for the experience and I am very sure that both, if asked, 
would have given up the first digits to their fingers.  I know I 
would in exchange for a home, food, and all the love imaginable.


Dixie is not declawed and I am praying that the day never comes when 
I have to do that.  With a compromised immune system ... 
well, I just pray.  She is wonderful about what she scratches and I 
have AC friends who talk to her when she forgets.  Like most on 
this list, I have adjusted my taste in furniture and found that 
lacey throws on couches and other upholstered pieces stop a lot of 
damage.  And there is no carpet in the house (the floors are taking 
a beating from the constant running and turning but that is 
ok).  There will be no long, expensive drapes.


Beliefs are very strong on this issue and I understand how volatile 
it is.  I'm just throwing in my own thoughts.  And the thought that 
perhaps we need to ask the cats in question what they would prefer 
when death is a serious option.



 If you have men 
who will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter 
of compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.

  St. Francis
- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kelly L
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.

At 09:34 PM 6/9/2007, you wrote:



this is where I will disagree. does it hurt for a few weeks. Yes it 
does but a good vet gives good pain medication. Are there long term 
consequences, That is debatable, A close friend, fellow rescuer and 
Feline behaviorist plus RVT has had all 14 of her cats declawed, In 
the past when I actually had furniture and a dog that lost an eye 
just about  I chose to declay the front toes. Yes I know what is involved,

the cat went on the live a happy and very healthy 15 more years.
Now that I have given up drapes furniture and dogs that live in 
close proximity with my cats i would never do it, but I have adopted 
out cat to people I knew would, but I also knew what wonderful cat 
parents they are.
Braces a cruel and frequently put on our kids for only cosmetic 
reasons, we subject our kids to years of discomfort,
I would opt for a declaw rather than to have a cat tossed outside by 
one or the other care giver.

and to euthanize a cat instead makes me see red.
Kelly


Beth, it's not my never declaw ideal that made me say that, it is 
my genuine belief that declawing causes long term physical and 
psychological suffering, and I do not think putting a suffering cat 
through more things to make it suffer more is a correct course of 
action. Two wrongs don't make a right. Declawing is 100% cruel and 
inhumane, and euthanasia is 100% humane when done correctly. To me, 
there is no gray area there, it's black and white. To eliminate 
suffering, yes, I will euthanise an animal. I do not have those 
strong no-kill ideals others have these days. My son bites his 
fingernails until they bleed sometimes... would I ever THINK to 
even consider amputating his fingers to solve that problem? True, 
it WOULD completely eliminate the problem, and his self-mutilation, 
but at what cost? That's how I feel about it. That's just me, 
personally. I'd like to see a $1000 fine and mandatory 90 days in 
jail for felony animal cruelty for anyone that has a cat declawed - 
that and the revoking of veterinary licenses for any vet that does 
the surgery. But I admit, I'm totally way on one side of the fence 
on declawing - probably to the point of being impractical and even 
a bit of a lunatic.


Phaewryn

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Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.

2007-06-10 Thread Kelly L

At 09:05 AM 6/10/2007, you wrote:

I agree if you are already looking for a cat, but when  senior 
already has a cat they love  and loves them and a serious health 
problem develops it may be the choice between death and declaw

Kelly



There was an 18 year old siamese is a county shelter that I was looking at
last night.. Looking through the list of about 30 cats that they had I noticed
that they also had 2 other siamese as well as all the cats seemed like they
would make great pets...
Then I noticed that about one in four were declawed !!!
If you want a declawed cat there are plenty of great kitties just 
dying waiting

to be adopted and already declawed...
Tad

Kelly L wrote:

At 04:56 AM 6/10/2007, you wrote:


I did not even get in to that issue but it is an important one. 
Many many elderly persons bleet with a touch as theri skin is so 
thin. Mine is like that now and i never heal . I try to wark long 
sleeves but I am very scared up. If a person is a diabetic it 
is  much worse as they infect so easily. they are all choices we 
make in this world and i would rather see a kitty declawed than 
allowed to live out doors.

Kelly


I have to support Kelly.  I will go to any possible lengths to 
avoid declawing but there are times it is in both the cat's and 
caregiver's best interest.  There is laser technology available 
that takes most of the pain out of it surgery.  I had my mother's 
cat declawed because every time she (the cat) even looked at Mom, 
Mom bled profusely and it took hours to stop the bleeding.  Never 
mind the bruises.  Kitty did not mean to hurt Mom but just routine 
stretching produces nails.  Neither she nor the other cat seemed 
any worse for the experience and I am very sure that both, if 
asked, would have given up the first digits to their fingers.  I 
know I would in exchange for a home, food, and all the love imaginable.


Dixie is not declawed and I am praying that the day never comes 
when I have to do that.  With a compromised immune system 
... well, I just pray.  She is wonderful about what she 
scratches and I have AC friends who talk to her when she 
forgets.  Like most on this list, I have adjusted my taste in 
furniture and found that lacey throws on couches and other 
upholstered pieces stop a lot of damage.  And there is no carpet 
in the house (the floors are taking a beating from the constant 
running and turning but that is ok).  There will be no long, 
expensive drapes.


Beliefs are very strong on this issue and I understand how 
volatile it is.  I'm just throwing in my own thoughts.  And the 
thought that perhaps we need to ask the cats in question what they 
would prefer when death is a serious option.



 If you have men 
who will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter 
of compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal 
likewise with their fellow man.


St. Francis
- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Kelly L
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.
At 09:34 PM 6/9/2007, you wrote:


this is where I will disagree. does it hurt for a few weeks. Yes 
it does but a good vet gives good pain medication. Are there long 
term consequences, That is debatable, A close friend, fellow 
rescuer and Feline behaviorist plus RVT has had all 14 of her cats 
declawed, In the past when I actually had furniture and a dog that 
lost an eye just about  I chose to declay the front toes. Yes I 
know what is involved,

the cat went on the live a happy and very healthy 15 more years.
Now that I have given up drapes furniture and dogs that live in 
close proximity with my cats i would never do it, but I have 
adopted out cat to people I knew would, but I also knew what 
wonderful cat parents they are.
Braces a cruel and frequently put on our kids for only cosmetic 
reasons, we subject our kids to years of discomfort,
I would opt for a declaw rather than to have a cat tossed outside 
by one or the other care giver.

and to euthanize a cat instead makes me see red.
Kelly


Beth, it's not my never declaw ideal that made me say that, it 
is my genuine belief that declawing causes long term physical and 
psychological suffering, and I do not think putting a suffering 
cat through more things to make it suffer more is a correct 
course of action. Two wrongs don't make a right. Declawing is 
100% cruel and inhumane, and euthanasia is 100% humane when done 
correctly. To me, there is no gray area there, it's black and 
white. To eliminate suffering, yes, I will euthanise an animal. I 
do not have those strong no-kill ideals others have these days. 
My son bites his fingernails until they bleed sometimes... would 
I ever THINK to even consider amputating his fingers to solve 
that problem

Re: PLEASE Pray for my Charity....

2007-06-09 Thread Kelly L

At 05:45 AM 6/9/2007, you wrote:


I wish I were there to take you,,,My heart is breaking with you, I 
anyone able to come for you Even a vet tech  a I assume they all know you.

Kelly




As most of you remember, Charity [feral mom dumped w/ babies]  I 
have a long  controversial history.. [She got out of taped-up 
box, so I had Timmy  Thomas as bottle babies. ]
I was able to trap her, but she escaped while I was cleaning her 
crate [post spaying thank heavens]. I decided not to re-trap her 
since I had a special area for ALL the strays/ferals here. And, 
also, she had me in ER so many times... Clearly, she disliked 
humans, and after being tossed out like trash I couldn't blame 
her. I believed she had been somebody's cat once upon a time  
when she had babies, well, they DUMPED them  (Education IS the 
key. Spay/Neuter all your babies)
So, I believed as long as she always had food  shelter [here], it 
would be less stressful than trying to re-trap her.  And, she had 
her constant companion, Black Bart

However, life can change so fast...
I had my MVA, my room mate was NOT tending my stray/feral area  
when I finally got home from hosp., o my way to Dr. I saw Charity 
running across the  very heavily traveled, busy road I live 
on  So, despite all my handicaps I made a promise right then 
that I would tend to my stray/feral area...  Even opened up the barn 
so they could get indoors when weather turned bad..
So, I was very concerned about the cats I'd been tending to, but, I 
managed to hobble out to barn area to feed  water, put fresh 
bedding out, etc. (And barn is W-A-Y back in yard, never a problem 
before MVA, but after, well, it's very difficult for me to get 
there)  But, da_n it, I made a promise to these lost souls..
I was thrilled when I saw Charity  Bart back in the area.. Made 
me even more determined to get out there so they wouldn't wander  
get killed on the road..
Which I did.   But, the snow and ice this winter really made it even 
more difficult.. But, despite my problems, I kept barn open, 
re-insulated spots, etc. NOT EASY, but I somehow managed to get it done.

After all, I made a promise
So, one snowy night early Feb.. while I was out walking my Rottie, 
[Lady]Bug, who's bigger than me no less, lo  behold, guess who 
stalks me out?  Miss Charity  Now mind you, Bug is deaf, 
I'm almost blind [great combination, huh?]...  I heard this 
pitiful plea, couldn't see who it was, but Bug, who lives  loves 
all my furbabies, saw her {Charity}, went totally ballistic  - 
strange cat in her territory... When I finally realized it was 
Charity, I was mortified to say the leastJust imagine the 
thoughts running thru my head - me falling, Bug getting off leash  
Charity's demise...ABSOLUTELY HORRIFIC,  that's putting it mildly..
Somehow I managed to get Bug back into house. But sweet Charity 
was on a mission... She NEVER gave up, and actually came  
waited for me on back porch - something she never  did!  So, 
when I went back out, w/ a carrier no less, I decided the time was 
right.. But, not having any strength on my right arm, it was a 
disaster, to say the least.Neither of us would give up..And, 
she insisted I hobble on the snow/ice out to barn! She was 
patient w/ me, but a tad irritated.. She knew what she had to do
So, we finally get out to barn, where I thanked the lord I had my 
recliner [Boy, did I ever need that!!!]

Lo  behold My Bart was there!  And obviously in VERY poor shape!
And, this mean 'ole intact feral came right up to me, rubbing my 
legs! I was shocked!  He had never approached me prior, 
always ran off when he caught a mere glance, and now he was almost 
a love muffin.  Something was off. Big time
He looked very ill - skinny, bloated in abdomen, you name it,    
Iactually though e was another stray/feral - until I saw his 
  shrunkenequipment...Then I just knew it was our 
Bart. So, I set him up, made an emergency appt.  deep down 
inside, my heart was broken..
While waiting the 2 days for appt., , he ate very well, turned into 
a love-muffin, I kind of got my hopes up...BIG MISTAKE!!

At my vet, Dr. V. started to drain fluid, I finally asked him to stop.
Also, Bart was pale white, all over almost NOT a good sign.
He was also mostly blind.. Among numerous other things
NO WAY TO EXIST.
So, I made the dreaded decision.Very, very hard.  but  thought 
Bart would NOT have the [or any] quality of life. [And, he was 
an old man.]


Ok, now to Charity.We DID have a vet. appt.soon after, but I had 
to cancel because three was NO way to get her in  carrierWane a 
compete exam, including BW, but never got there.   And, she was 
doing so well.  My primary concern was Puma, I must admit...
Now get this. Thurs. PM she wouldn't [hardly

Re: OT - Phelix...and lessons learned.

2007-06-09 Thread Kelly L

At 09:34 PM 6/9/2007, you wrote:



this is where I will disagree. does it hurt for a few weeks. Yes it 
does but a good vet gives good pain medication. Are there long term 
consequences, That is debatable, A close friend, fellow rescuer and 
Feline behaviorist plus RVT has had all 14 of her cats declawed, In 
the past when I actually had furniture and a dog that lost an eye 
just about  I chose to declay the front toes. Yes I know what is involved,

the cat went on the live a happy and very healthy 15 more years.
Now that I have given up drapes furniture and dogs that live in close 
proximity with my cats i would never do it, but I have adopted out 
cat to people I knew would, but I also knew what wonderful cat 
parents they are.
Braces a cruel and frequently put on our kids for only cosmetic 
reasons, we subject our kids to years of discomfort,
I would opt for a declaw rather than to have a cat tossed outside by 
one or the other care giver.

and to euthanize a cat instead makes me see red.
Kelly


Beth, it's not my never declaw ideal that made me say that, it is 
my genuine belief that declawing causes long term physical and 
psychological suffering, and I do not think putting a suffering cat 
through more things to make it suffer more is a correct course of 
action. Two wrongs don't make a right. Declawing is 100% cruel and 
inhumane, and euthanasia is 100% humane when done correctly. To me, 
there is no gray area there, it's black and white. To eliminate 
suffering, yes, I will euthanise an animal. I do not have those 
strong no-kill ideals others have these days. My son bites his 
fingernails until they bleed sometimes... would I ever THINK to even 
consider amputating his fingers to solve that problem? True, it 
WOULD completely eliminate the problem, and his self-mutilation, but 
at what cost? That's how I feel about it. That's just me, 
personally. I'd like to see a $1000 fine and mandatory 90 days in 
jail for felony animal cruelty for anyone that has a cat declawed - 
that and the revoking of veterinary licenses for any vet that does 
the surgery. But I admit, I'm totally way on one side of the fence 
on declawing - probably to the point of being impractical and even a 
bit of a lunatic.


Phaewryn

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Re: Sasquatch Please add to the CLS :(

2007-06-06 Thread Kelly L

At 06:36 PM 6/6/2007, you wrote:



I am so sorry Sasquatch had to leave, but so glad he was surrounded 
with those that loved him.

I am so sorry
Kelly



This sweet gray handsome boy will be missed by all the volunteers at 
Sids.Dr. Jen had to let him go with dignity today.Thank you all for being here.

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Re: How is Miss Kisa doing today?

2007-06-04 Thread Kelly L

At 07:03 PM 6/4/2007, you wrote:


You are doing a wonderful job. Take a breath and do something for 
yourself, Even if Kissa is sitting on your lab while you do it,

so glad her breathing is improved..so very glad.
Kelly




Thank you.

Kisa is improving, slowly but steadily.  She still hides under the 
bed all day, but her breathing has slowed down to pretty much normal 
while resting. Her gums are pale, but they don't look yellow 
anymore.  Finally, she is bathing herself again, and cleaning up all 
that stained fur.


She is eating fairly decently.  I've got her eating liver, a raw 
chicken puree, and a bit of canned food.  She still prefers to lick 
it off the back of a spoon, but will nibble a bit off a plate as 
well now.  She only seems to eat when we feed her though, the food 
doesn't get touched when we just leave it with her.


Kisa is still very weak.  When I bring her into bed with us, she'll 
sometimes try jumping into the window and not make it.  Hopefully 
her strength will return if she can build up her red blood cells again.


I'm not sure if she still has the liver problem and the 
Dexamethasone is just making her feel well enough to eat, or if 
somehow the problem is clearing up.  Time will tell.


Cassandra

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Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 2:20 PM
Subject: How is Miss Kisa doing today?



Hey Cassandra,

Just wondering how Kisa is doing today?  I hope she is
stronger and fighting the hemo really well.  Best
wishes to her and prayers still going out for you
both.

:)
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Re: outdoor enclosures

2007-06-03 Thread Kelly L

At 08:41 AM 6/3/2007, you wrote:



If you are interested you can see the one I had built ,,,it is on 
some of the pictures at my sight.
It is large built have a large amount of cats, but I had a smaller 
one like this when  I lived in town.

www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com
I hired fence people to do it the way I wanted it. In retrospect I 
could have used other wire for the top as chain link is heavy.
Also the standard size chain link is not suitable for kittens and 
would need something smaller.

Kelly




I'm sorry to be constantly asking questions,
but hopefully we can get the newness of this diagnosis
and all the issues it raises on the right path ...
Can anyone recommend an outdoor enclosure for cats
that works well. Again, I Googled the category and there
are hundreds of choices. I was hoping someone might have
experience with a design or quality that works.
I suspect that MeMe was at one time in her young life on
her own because she can climb trees better than squirrels and
seems to know her way around the terrain. I need an enclosure that
will allow her some measure of freedom and activity.

I appreciate any information or leads someone might have.
Jane




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Re: Thorne Immmugen

2007-06-02 Thread Kelly L

At 08:08 AM 6/2/2007, you wrote:


I use naturan interferon...immuno regulin but stay away fro herbal 
and other  holistic  drugs as there is no control or studies to 
back up claims and some can cause problems.

Kelly




Hi Folks,

Do any of you currently use Thorne Immugen for your FeLV+ kitties and, if
so, have you noticed any improvement as a result? My FeLV+ guy Shane is
having a recurrence of ocular herpes and is being treated for a corneal
ulcer. He is already on Interferon Alpha (7 days on/7 days off), lysine and
DMG. I'm just wondering if Immugen might be a useful addition. Thanks for
your help!

Sue and Shane
Jerome, AZ




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Re: Thorne Immmugen

2007-06-02 Thread Kelly L

At 08:08 AM 6/2/2007, you wrote:


They use Immuno Regulin at BEST FIRENDS on theru FELV cats and have 
many old kitties. They use 0.25 cc (1/4  cc) each month I.M.)
It is not expensive and I use it alsoit is best given I.V. so I 
take Max to the vet for his I. V dose once a month

Kelly


Hi Folks,

Do any of you currently use Thorne Immugen for your FeLV+ kitties and, if
so, have you noticed any improvement as a result? My FeLV+ guy Shane is
having a recurrence of ocular herpes and is being treated for a corneal
ulcer. He is already on Interferon Alpha (7 days on/7 days off), lysine and
DMG. I'm just wondering if Immugen might be a useful addition. Thanks for
your help!

Sue and Shane
Jerome, AZ




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Re: Hideyo got her missing cat Maddie!

2007-06-02 Thread Kelly L

At 10:00 AM 6/2/2007, you wrote:



Has she ever been transfused?? everything sounds like the anemia. So 
common with our FELV friends. The transfusion if she can tolerate 
give great instant but temporary improvement, If she is anemic all 
the other treatments take time and meanwhile her little body is not 
getting the oxygen she needs because of lack of red blood cells,

What is the Drontal for.
Kelly


Congrats Hideyo!  Sounds like Maddie really made you work hard to catch her.

Cassandra
- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Nina
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 10:49 AM
Subject: Hideyo got her missing cat Maddie!

Some of you good folks might remember that Hideyo has been searching 
for an adopted kitty that went missing the very first night she was 
in her new home.  Well last night, (actually, this morning at 
3:30am), Hideyo was able to trap Maddie using a drop trap!  All of 
you who know Hideyo can imagine the tireless effort that has gone 
into this rescue effort and I'm so pleased to report that it has 
paid off with Maddie's safe return from her adventure.  Food had 
been placed in the yard of the house where she escaped from and a 
couple of the neighbors had been reporting sightings.  Regular traps 
weren't working, so Hideyo had a drop trap made and camped out for a 
couple nights until she got her!  Marissa, I hope you're reading 
this, have heart my dear and keep trying to find Georgia.  Here's 
the paste of the message Hideyo wanted me to convey to the list:


Nina, could you also let everyone on FELK list know that I was 
able to bring Maddie home..-- mainly so that people won't easily 
give up if they lose theirs -- 5 five weeks later, I was able to 
reunite with Maddie.. and I want people not to give up easily if 
they really want to find theirs -- I also know of a really really 
good AC besides Carol [Carol Robinson 
http://www.animal-conversations.com/index.htmlhttp://www.animal-conversations.com/index.html 
] -- I love Carol.. but I also love Annette Betcher
[ http://www.seanet.com/%7Eangelb/http://www.seanet.com/~angelb/ ] 
-- I just love her personality, and I think you should try her and 
Carol (or anyone else for that matter) if there is any need in the future!!

Hideyo


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Kissa

2007-06-02 Thread Kelly L

At 10:00 AM 6/2/2007, you wrote:



Has she ever been transfused?? everything sounds like the anemia. So 
common with our FELV friends. The transfusion if she can tolerate 
give great instant but temporary improvement, If she is anemic all 
the other treatments take time and meanwhile her little body is not 
getting the oxygen she needs because of lack of red blood cells,

What is the Drontal for.
Kelly


Congrats Hideyo!  Sounds like Maddie really made you work hard to catch her.

Cassandra
- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Nina
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 10:49 AM
Subject: Hideyo got her missing cat Maddie!

Some of you good folks might remember that Hideyo has been searching 
for an adopted kitty that went missing the very first night she was 
in her new home.  Well last night, (actually, this morning at 
3:30am), Hideyo was able to trap Maddie using a drop trap!  All of 
you who know Hideyo can imagine the tireless effort that has gone 
into this rescue effort and I'm so pleased to report that it has 
paid off with Maddie's safe return from her adventure.  Food had 
been placed in the yard of the house where she escaped from and a 
couple of the neighbors had been reporting sightings.  Regular traps 
weren't working, so Hideyo had a drop trap made and camped out for a 
couple nights until she got her!  Marissa, I hope you're reading 
this, have heart my dear and keep trying to find Georgia.  Here's 
the paste of the message Hideyo wanted me to convey to the list:


Nina, could you also let everyone on FELK list know that I was 
able to bring Maddie home..-- mainly so that people won't easily 
give up if they lose theirs -- 5 five weeks later, I was able to 
reunite with Maddie.. and I want people not to give up easily if 
they really want to find theirs -- I also know of a really really 
good AC besides Carol [Carol Robinson 
http://www.animal-conversations.com/index.htmlhttp://www.animal-conversations.com/index.html 
] -- I love Carol.. but I also love Annette Betcher
[ http://www.seanet.com/%7Eangelb/http://www.seanet.com/~angelb/ ] 
-- I just love her personality, and I think you should try her and 
Carol (or anyone else for that matter) if there is any need in the future!!

Hideyo
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sorry for the wrong reply

2007-06-02 Thread Kelly L

sorry guys, I was replying to cassandra about Kissa  rather than Hideyo

Bt the way. Please pass on to Hideyo that is is absolutely wonderful 
news and I bet she will be sleeping better!!

Kelly




depressing!!.

2007-06-02 Thread Kelly L





http://www.lifestylepets.com/index.htmlhttp://www.lifestylepets.com/index.html


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Re: Update on Kisa

2007-06-01 Thread Kelly L

At 06:42 PM 6/1/2007, you wrote:




Alot depends upon her kidney function and her respiratory status. On 
a healthy 10 lb cat 2-300 cc per day is fine, but if her organs are 
not working properly it could cause a fluidover load and even make it 
harder for her to breathe. Id she peeing,,,you need to compare what 
goes in with what goes out, do you know how to express her bladder if 
you need to,

he kidneys do need to be working.
 I would feel comfortable  with 100, but I would sure call the vet 
and ask as they know he lab values and heart and lung status,,

Make sure he body temp does not drop either Have you checked her temp,,,?
Thanks for the update and I am sending many good thoughts. it is so 
very very hard when we love them so much.

Kelly




A small update on Kisa.

I didn't think she would make it through the night, and at one point 
I checked on her and thought she was gone, because I didn't see the 
heavy breathing.


She did make it through the night, and I was seriously considering 
taking her in to the vet for euthanasia.  I asked her if I should, 
and was very upset I wasn't strong enough to make that decision.


Well, now she actually looks a little bit better.  She's very weak, 
but she seems more alert and her breathing, while still fast, isn't 
quite as labored and she's not breathing through her mouth.  It 
could be the dexamethasone making some sort of difference.


And then the strangest thing of all happened, she ate about 1 and a 
half tablespoons of pureed liver, by licking it off the back of a 
spoon.  This is the first time in two weeks since this started, that 
she didn't gag at the very sight/smell of food.  I couldn't believe 
she actually ate.  She must not be feeling as nauseous, and so far 
she hasn't vomited today.


I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but this is the first positive 
thing that has happened for her in two weeks.  I guess we'll just 
have to wait and see how she does over the next couple of days.  If 
she's trying to get better, she has an awful lot to overcome yet in 
order to do so.


I've got a full IV bag of sub-q fluids to keep her hydrated at 
least.  Just a question on that, how much fluid should she get in a 
day?  I gave her about 100ml, six hours ago, and it still hasn't all 
soaked in from under the skin at the back of her neck.


Cassandra



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Re: Great Snake evening excitement

2007-05-31 Thread Kelly L

At 03:40 AM 5/31/2007, you wrote:

They never even asked. Just gave me 3 refills of Augmentin,,as I have 
done this and they know I did rescue. it was not a stray...I have 
several cats with rabies cert. that do get blamed frequently
LOLperoxide does not help if it becomed infected with pasturella 
bact...Augmentin is treatment of choice My arm is good,,cat is good 
and snake is fime!!


I hope someone has told you NOT to blame this on a stray.  Blame it 
on the cat you have the updated rabies on.  As long as you have the 
updated rabies it should be ok.  (even if that's not the cat who bit you!)

t

Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Don't tell them everything...maybe that you were reaching for a cat in
an alley or something like that. Try not to implicate any of your cats
because most hospitals have to report it and most insurances will question
your claims. I know my health insurance called to see who the cat belonged
to etc. She quite literally was a feral with no owner and no known hang
out.





If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
St.
Francis
- Original Message -
From: Kelly L
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: Great Snake evening excitement


 At 11:20 PM 5/21/2007, you wrote:


 the snake is just fine and happily on his way to freedom,,,the cats are
 all fine and my arm is a mess, Can/t bend my writs swollen and still
 bleeding, i did stat Augmentun,,the right antibiotic, but I only have
 enough for 2 days ( from my last bite..lol) so i will probably head to the
 doc tomorrow... I need to scrounge around for a rabies certificate from
 one of my cats first, they do not go free so i am not worried, but do not
 want snoops around here,
 Kelly

Poor little scared guy! How's your hand/arm?

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 21, 2007, at 11:47 PM, Kelly L wrote:

Ok..So I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats
curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird,
a gopher or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes
from the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and
knees,,,shooing the cats away and heard a very irritated snake
under the dresser. i could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a
rattle snake,,,So now what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried
to get them out with out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite
hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i needed to keep track of
the snake, I tossed a few cats in the bathroom,,slammed the
door,,,got one into the closet and scared a few into my cat
inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4 more,
I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived
a few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to
get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and
was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good,
Several very deep bites but I got her out,
Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like
a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the
vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see
him,,,
the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake
in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!!
What is strange is I have a pair of Red Tail hawks nesting in my
palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my
window,,,each day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was
just commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm
Kelly





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Re: Kissa

2007-05-31 Thread Kelly L

At 02:14 PM 5/31/2007, you wrote:



Cassandra, as hard as it is you have the power to end your babys suffering.
When they are in respiratory distress they are suffering, they can't 
be comfortable,,,just try breathing though a very thick piece of 
material your self and get an idea of how it might feel,
I had to do it twice the past 6 months with cats I dearly loved, i 
fought long and hard but when they were suffering and there was no 
real hope it was time to be strong and show them that I would take 
the pain for them.

\we are all with you
Klelly


Thanks,

I think Kisa is mainly in God's hands right now, but the waiting is so hard.

Cassandra

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 3:52 PM
Subject: Kissa



Cassandra
I cannot imagine how tired and stressed you must be. I wonder if 
the sudden loss
of her 'housemates' has been an assault on Kissa's immunity. She is 
on her own path

and you are doing everything you can to support her. She will let you know.
Take care of yourself.
Jane




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RE: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****

2007-05-30 Thread Kelly L

At 07:41 AM 5/30/2007, you wrote:


Best Friends does wonderful things!!! Marion said she had attended 
meetings there. many people have left the forum because of Marion.  I 
have their letters...

Kelly



Yes, I agree now. I was concerned last night, but now that I think about it,
one person in such a large organization as BF certainly does not represent
the whole; although, I think they should do their best to obtain moderators
who espouse their beliefs, but it doesn't always work that way!

Melissa

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pam Norman
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:47 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*

This is a good point  I wouldn't abandon BF just because of some
moderator's comments. Altho Marion Hale has been there a LONG time. I
don't know about Gina, but Marion has been there at LEAST 10 years. And
NEVER been to the sanctuary!  I think to be a moderator that should be
mandatory!



Kelley Saveika wrote:
 On 5/29/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 However, now I'm quite frightened about Best Friends. I'm going to
 write to
 my contact there about this.

 Melissa

 Melissa,

 I understand your fear, but I *personally* would not be concerned.
 That forum is on the Best Friends Network, which is provided by them
 as a service and is not their official stance on anything.  There is
 a disclaimer - Content is posted freely by website members and may or
 may not reflect the opinions, goals, or mission of BFAS.  It is
 largely volunteer run (I know the volunteer who edits the Texas
 community) and there may be a rogue moderator.  Certainly I don't
 think it has a thing to do with how they take care of their animals.








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Re: Update on Kisa

2007-05-30 Thread Kelly L

At 12:13 PM 5/30/2007, you wrote:


ask about anzamet and Zofran ...even compaziner for vomiting??





The thing is with the vomiting though, I don't 
think its just because i'm feeding her.  For the 
last week, she's been vomiting consistently 
before I ever feed her.  When the vomiting first 
started suddenly, she vomited several times a 
day with a completely empty stomach for about 3 
days.  We then started syringe feeding her, and 
as soon as we brought her out from her hiding 
spot, she would vomitthen we would syringe her the food.


So yesterday, she vomited after syringing her 
the food, so I probably gave too much to start.


I took her to the vet today, to get the tube put 
back in, and she got a shot of 
metachlopramide.  Now the problem is, they 
didn't give me any more of the metachlopramide 
because they said its a drug filtered by the 
liver, and if her liver isn't functioning 
properly, too much of that will cause a 
problem.  They just said to feed her about 12cc 
followed by 4cc water3 times a day.to see if she would keep that down.


I mentioned that I didn't know how i'd be able 
to get enough calories into her with that small 
amount, but they just said to see how it goes.


What a pain in the butt, because i'm fairly 
certain that even if I feed her such a tiny 
amount, i'm betting she's still going to vomit 
here at some point...possibly vomiting out that tube again.


If she vomits again today, i'll have to get more 
of the metachlopramide even if its going to cause a problem with her liver.


This seems to be a no win situation here.  Plus, 
she's definately not feeling very well.  All she 
wants to do is hide, and then lay in one spot 
all day.  I wouldn't doubt it if she's 
depressed  after all this.  I notice her breathing seems fast also.


I took her to bed with me last night, because 
she seems to enjoy that, and she did purr for 
awhile.  The problem was, she was peeing about 
every 3 hours (probably from being on the IV for 
2 days), and she was doing it in bed.  I put 
plastic and towels under her, but she missed 
them once and I had to rip the bed apart in the 
middle of the night before it soaked too 
deep.  She is too lethargic  to get up for 
anything, unless its running to hide somewhere.


All I can do is pray for a miracle, that somehow 
she will be able to pull through this mess since 
everything seems to be going wrong.  Even my 
vet, who seems pretty good so far is gone now 
for a few weeks, so i'll have to deal with a 
different vet that doesn't know what's been 
going on so far.  I was liking this vet, because 
he wasn't all doom and gloom like the last 2 
vets i've dealt with.  If he had the opinion 
that Kisa didn't have much of a chance, he kept 
it to himself, and was willing to try whatever I 
wanted.  The last 2 vets i've had were always 
wanting to make it quite clear that she didn't 
have a chance and it wasn't worth spending too 
much on her.  I don't see any reason why a vet 
has to make sure that you have no hope, hope is 
the only thing that keeps me functioning.


Cassandra
- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Belinda
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:47 AM
Subject: Re: Update on Kisa

   Cassandra,
I've had 3 cats with feeding tube (e-tube 
in the esphogus) and never had a problem with 
vomiting with any of them unless I was going 
too fast or giving meds on an empty tummy, once 
I figured out what I was doing wrong it was no 
longer an issue.  All of my feeding tube 
experiences as far as the feeding themselves went beautifully.


Fred did have an infection problem at the entry 
site that we couldn't get rid of because the 
vets wouldn't leave him on the antibiotics long 
enough.  But his feedings went great and he 
gained back most of the weight he had lost, he 
never vomited once even with is infection problem.


There are several reasons a cat will vomit when 
getting fed through a feeding tube, getting fed 
too fast, getting too much food at once, when a 
cat hasn't eaten for as long as Kisa hasn't you 
have to go slowly and build up to a bigger 
amount.  What I mean is, she needs to be fed 10 
to 20 cc's every hour or two, for the first day, 
then maybe 15 to 25 every couple of hours then 
next day, and unfortunetly you aren't going to 
find many, if any vets willing to devote that 
kind of time to one animal so it would probably 
be better if she were home if you can devote that kind of time to her care.


Other reasons include the tube not being placed 
correctly, with an e-tube there is a specific 
area the tube should be, not higher not lower or 
it will cause nausea in some cats.  It should 
NOT enter the stomach, it should be between the 
7th and 9th rib, this is easily verifiable with an xray.


An nasel gastric tube is uncomfortable and only 
ever should be used in emergencies, which Kisa 
is at this time, think about it a 

Re: Update on Kisa

2007-05-29 Thread Kelly L



I am surprised she is not on Regaln already...( that is the drug you 
mentioned) safe and effective,,it aids in emptying the stomach and 
increasins peristalsis ,,so they do not vomit, ask for injectable!!

thanks for the update and keep us posted,
Kelly


I brought Kisa home from the vet today.  She's been fully hydrated 
and had a nasal feeding tube in place, with the lovely lampshade 
around her neck.  She is still very lethargic/depressed, but a 
little more alert and her eyes look better.  We're still no closer 
to a proper diagnosis though, because she is too weak to undergo 
surgery to obtain a biopsy of her liver.


At the vet, she wasn't vomiting much at all, but once I got her home 
and fed her 30cc of liquid food, followed by 5 cc of water, she 
promptly vomited it all up.  I gaver her another 20cc after that.


Two hours later, I gave her another 30 ccand...well she vomited 
up her feeding tube shortly thereafter.  She vomited up so much, 
that she must have had most of that 20cc from 2 hrs earlier in her 
belly still.  What a nightmare.


I guess we go back to the vet tomorrow to get another tube put 
insigh.  The vet said we can try metachlopromide (or however its 
spelled) if she vomits alot, so I suppose that will be the next 
thing we have to try.


We really need a break here.  Her only chance is to get healthy 
enough just from feeding and giving the doxycycline so that we can 
hopefully do a biopsy.


Cassandra
- Original Message -
From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]C  J
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:20 PM
Subject: Update on Kisa

Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa.

She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number 
of lymphocytes.  Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, 
possibly lymphosarcoma.


The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her 
liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest 
doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised.


They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not 
sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so 
easily.  They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little 
better and maybe regain some appetite.


I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't 
eaten since Saturday night now.


I don't understand why this is all happening at once.  First I 
watched Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months.  As soon as 
he started getting better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver 
failure, and died.  Now, barely a week later Kisa goes from being a 
super healthy and active cat to death's door.  I haven't even had 
enough time to get used to Koda being gone, now its another crisis situation.


This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy, and active cats 
for 12 years.


I used to think how awful it would be if my house burned down while 
I was away and my 5 cats were inside.  What is happening now is 
almost worse than that since it is so prolonged and i'm beginning to 
wonder if something I am doing is causing all this (like feeding raw 
food).  I've always kept my cats indoors because I didn't want them 
to get run over by a car, etcbut they seem to be no safer indoors.


Sorry for venting on you all, its just really starting to affect me, 
both emotionally and financially.


Cassandra


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Re: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****

2007-05-29 Thread Kelly L

At 07:09 AM 5/29/2007, you wrote:


Congratulation on your new family member and to the wonderful; butt 
sniffing dogs who have made her welcome,,yeah!!!


Kelly


Thats horrible! I hate to hear of people putting down or giving up 
pets because of new wives, girlfriends, boyfriends- whatever- when I 
was dating it was like- no- it is a package deal- me and my 
furchildren- take me as I am or leave meespecially since I 
fought so hard to keep Satine alive.


on the other side of things- my husband and I saved a kitty and she 
is now part of the family- I named her Carrie Bradshaw from sex and 
the city as she has wild full hair like the main character- she is a 
maine coon cat. My dogs who I was worried about, love her- they 
smell her butt and my tibetian terrier mix I have found kissing her. 
We got her from a shelter here- I suspect that whoever gave her up 
before we got her might have been abusive- as she shys away from 
getting touched in the face- and the vet said they found a broken 
tooth on her- but she is having a wonderful time now- she loves my 
husband and I tease him and say that he is mr.big- she insists on 
getting in his office and into his heart. He closed the office door 
and she put her paw under the door- and wiggles it meowing, 
demanding to be with him- it is very cute.
 Shes not satine, and I do miss satine- but it feels natural to 
have a kitty again ^_^



Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A friend killed a 17 year old cat (?) he rescued when he was in college
because he had a new wife, new stepdaughter, new house + and the cat was
peeing on the carpet. I went home and tore up all the carpet. The only
saving grace is that Gus would not have had almost 17 years of care had my
friend not rescued him. I decided then that there would not be anything on
the floors that was more valuable than my 4-legged friends.






If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
St.
Francis
- Original Message -
From: Kelly L
To:
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 3:17 PM
Subject: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*


 At 12:59 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


 I find this conversation quite timely...You see I have just withdrawn my
 long time support of Best Friends because of something similar, I have
 been member and volunteer with them for almost 10 years.
 they have grown which is good.
 Well on their prayers and healing forum someone posted asking for prayers
 and support for their co worker because they were sad at deciding to have
 their cat PTS ,,killed because she keeps peeing on the carpet,..
 I replied that I could not give support to such an act and then other
 members agreed...our posts were pulled and only the ones comforting this
 person were left, i received another demeaning letter from the
 moderator,,,
 this is not the first incident of that kind, but this one was the final
 STraw
 Best Friends does wonderful things, but I am no longer comfortable with
 may of theri policies at this time,
 Now I better go mop up pee ...after I get my shoes on of course.(lol)




Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again.
Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister. Nina

Susan Hoffman wrote:
This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I removed
what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop --
I use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned
catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish drainer.
Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I wound up pouring cat
pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer.

One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of strong
coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.




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Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****

2007-05-28 Thread Kelly L

At 12:59 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


I find this conversation quite timely...You see I have just withdrawn 
my long time support of Best Friends because of something similar, I 
have been member and volunteer with them for almost 10 years.

they have grown which is good.
Well on their prayers and healing forum someone posted  asking for 
prayers and support for their co worker  because they were sad at 
deciding to have their cat PTS ,,killed because she keeps peeing on 
the carpet,..
I replied that I could not give support to such an act and then other 
members  agreed...our posts were pulled and only the ones comforting 
this person were left, i received another demeaning letter from the 
moderator,,,

this is not the first incident of that kind, but this one was the final STraw
Best Friends does wonderful things, but I am no longer comfortable 
with may of theri policies at this time,

Now I better go mop up pee ...after I get my shoes on of course.(lol)





Sigh.  I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again.
Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister. Nina

Susan Hoffman wrote:
This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I 
removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop -- 
I use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned 
catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish 
drainer.  Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I wound 
up pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer.


One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of 
strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.





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Re: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****

2007-05-28 Thread Kelly L

At 01:51 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


Sorry Nina, I am not that generous right now. I  do understand your 
point and I am usually calm and quitely willing to educate..But there 
was no attempt at educating..This has unfortunately not been the 
first issue and as I said i guess I am more in tune with the likes of 
Sea Shepherd...I can't stand by and not voice my displeasure, Someone 
needed to speak up for the doomed cat,
There were many many people there suffering from the loss of an 
animal due to disease, Theri feelings needed to be considered.
There are many wonderful animal groups that can benefit from the tiny 
extra I have to contribute.
Best FIriends does wonderful things,,,I know. But when I can't agree 
with many of theirpolicies it is best i continue on my own,

There are so many in need out there,
Kelly






Well that just wiped the smile from my face.  I was not privy to the 
exchange and have never been to any of the Best Friends forums, but 
I'm assuming that their motive in removing any chastising responses 
was in keeping with an overall effort to maintain the site as a 
safe place to express grief, no matter where the blame of that 
grief may lie.  I am by no means condoning or advocating humans 
deciding to pts cats because of litterbox avoidance, it turns my 
stomach, the same as it does yours.
I am just pointing out that perhaps the moderators did not feel that 
this was the proper venue for attempting to educate someone that is 
suffering from their lack of judgement and compassion.  My head too 
is bloody from banging it against the brick walls of those I do my 
best to educate.  I know how frustrating and emotionally 
devastating it can be.  The only way I can continue to reach out to 
those that, (in my eyes), visit atrocities on the helpless is that I 
know sometimes I do get through, sometimes I do make a 
difference.  Even though they sometimes fall short of our 
expectations, Best Friends is a worthy organization that does make a 
difference.  I hope that when the heat of your disappointment 
dissipates you are able to remain an ally to the organization.

Nina

Kelly L wrote:

At 12:59 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


I find this conversation quite timely...You see I have just 
withdrawn my long time support of Best Friends because of something 
similar, I have been member and volunteer with them for almost 10 years.

they have grown which is good.
Well on their prayers and healing forum someone posted  asking for 
prayers and support for their co worker  because they were sad at 
deciding to have their cat PTS ,,killed because she keeps peeing on 
the carpet,..
I replied that I could not give support to such an act and then 
other members  agreed...our posts were pulled and only the ones 
comforting this person were left, i received another demeaning 
letter from the moderator,,,
this is not the first incident of that kind, but this one was the 
final STraw
Best Friends does wonderful things, but I am no longer comfortable 
with may of theri policies at this time,

Now I better go mop up pee ...after I get my shoes on of course.(lol)





Sigh.  I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again.
Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister. Nina

Susan Hoffman wrote:
This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I 
removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop 
-- I use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of 
canned catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the 
dish drainer.  Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I 
wound up pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer.


One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of 
strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.





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Re: A little more on the topic of pee

2007-05-28 Thread Kelly L

At 04:31 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


I purchased a fireplace screen at a yard sale for Cat House on the 
Kings...I may be able to protect my space heater in the 
fall..then again I may not

Kelly


The toaster oven is NOT safe UNLESS you remember to ALWAYS close the 
door!  My Sunset became annoyed when I went out of town overnight  
she peed into the toaster oven. I didn't suspect a thing until I 
tried to toast an English muffin. The stench was horrible!  So do 
NOT assume that toaster ovens are safe.  Cats are VERY creative. 
Remember what Fluffy did to my friends' winshield washers!


Pam

Susan Hoffman wrote:

And there was the time that Trixie got my roommate's toaster

It was late at night.  I was lyinjg in bed reading, pinned in place 
by cats on either side.  I smell what smells like a skunk.  So I 
assume we have a skunk in the yard.  Not the first time.  No big 
deal.  I think nothing of it.


Next morning my roommate mentions the skunk to me.  And how he was 
making toast at the time.  And how he felt a little ill after 
eating the toastSlowly, it dawns on us.  That was no 
skunk.  Trixie peed in the toaster.  AND HE ATE IT!  Is that why 
Trixie was giggling?


Larry is convinced that Trixie did this on purpose.  She knows 
mommy NEVER eats toast.  He's probably right.


The toaster has been replaced by a toaster over.  But I think I 
caught Trixie reading the schematics.  She's very clever.


If Trixie offers you toast, decline.

*/Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again.
Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister.
Nina

Susan Hoffman wrote:
 This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I
 removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop
-- I
 use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned
 catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish
 drainer. Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I
wound up
 pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer.

 One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of
 strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.







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Re: Update on Kisa

2007-05-28 Thread Kelly L

At 04:41 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:



I am so sorry you are both going through this. this is what we all 
face, thank goodness for wach other. I am sure Kisa was glad to have 
you visit and she must be feeling better not to be so dehydrated. 
Those are good things, I am probably way off base but is there a 
chance theliver is enlarged due to lipidosis or it it remarkably enlarged,
Sadly cancer is so common with our special FELV angels. I have heard 
that theri response to treatment is as good as a non FELV cat, but 
Liver cancer is a very hard one,
She is getting some much needed nutrition and those N.G. ( 
nasogastric) tubes are not uncomfortable. they just look awful...

Please keep us updated and write as often as you like,
We are all here with you.
Kelly Lane

I visited Kisa three times at the vet today, and she's going to be 
spending another night there.  They're keeping her on the IV.  They 
also put in a feeding tube through her nose, so she's got that taped 
to the top of her head, and a cone around her neck.  She seems a 
little more alert, but she didn't get up at all.  She purred while I 
pet her, but it is so hard to see her like this.


They found the presence of Hemobartonella, and she was looking pale, 
so they are giving her doxycycline now instead of batyril.  She 
wasn't anemic on Tuesday, but she may be now.


They also did an X-ray, and it looks like her liver is quite 
enlarged.  The vet figures it probably is cancer.


The only way to know for sure is the liver biopsy, but she is too 
weak for general anesthetic right now.


The nearest place where she can receive cancer treatment is 6-7 
hours away from here.  I didn't ask yet how much this would 
cost.  She would basically start the treatment there, then the vet 
here could probably do the chemo after all the diagnosis is 
done.  I'm really now sure how feasible that would be for me.  I've 
got other kitties to look after, and a job to go to...not to mention 
the cost for a treatment that may or may not help her.


He suggested we wait and see how she is tomorrow after another day on the IV.

What an ordeal..why is it we have to make such hard decisions when 
it comes to the lives of our little ones?  I don't want to put her 
through a bunch of stress and pain just to have her die anyway, and 
wish I hadn't put her through so much.  Yet I find it so hard to 
give up on her.


Cassandra
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From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]C  J
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:20 PM
Subject: Update on Kisa

Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa.

She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number 
of lymphocytes.  Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, 
possibly lymphosarcoma.


The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her 
liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest 
doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune system being compromised.


They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not 
sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so 
easily.  They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little 
better and maybe regain some appetite.


I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't 
eaten since Saturday night now.


I don't understand why this is all happening at once.  First I 
watched Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months.  As soon as 
he started getting better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver 
failure, and died.  Now, barely a week later Kisa goes from being a 
super healthy and active cat to death's door.  I haven't even had 
enough time to get used to Koda being gone, now its another crisis situation.


This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy, and active cats 
for 12 years.


I used to think how awful it would be if my house burned down while 
I was away and my 5 cats were inside.  What is happening now is 
almost worse than that since it is so prolonged and i'm beginning to 
wonder if something I am doing is causing all this (like feeding raw 
food).  I've always kept my cats indoors because I didn't want them 
to get run over by a car, etcbut they seem to be no safer indoors.


Sorry for venting on you all, its just really starting to affect me, 
both emotionally and financially.


Cassandra


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Re: questions

2007-05-28 Thread Kelly L

At 06:33 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:
It is so blank blank hard.

I do my best to remember that it is the quality not quantity, For 
they are truly blessed they do count the days or months...they 
love the belly rubs and snuggles and just enjoy each moment.

We need to learn from them.
My little Max is a big fluffy love bug and I am grateful he is with us.
Kelly L



Dear Jane,

Just remember how thrilled you were at little MeMe the mite as a baby
and you'll begin to forget that sadness and shock of the FeLV+
diagnosis.  Because, remember, MeMe is the very same, no different
than before her diagnosis.  And she never wanted to come into your
life to bring sadness and regret, never.  She's there with you for joy.

My little Mamie was the most joyous cat I ever had.  My friend Linda,
the vet tech who helped to save her life when she was a baby, feels
the little sick ones have a special sweetness and happiness to 
them-- and you are privy to that sweetness and happiness now.  Every

birthday now is a real treat--a REAL BIRTHDAY!

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 28, 2007, at 8:11 AM, Jane Lyons wrote:


Cassandra you and Kisa are in my thoughts and prayers.

Does the anxiety and sadness ever go away? I feel as though
I am still in shock with the diagnosis. I feel I am back to the place
 I was when my 19 year old (NoNo) was failing and I would wake up
every
few hours to make sure she was ok. The feelings of impending loss
and sadness became like a low grade fever for many months. When it
became clear that she was in pain and had to cross, I was prepared and
relieved to be free of the fear and anxiety and sadness that became
a part
of the end of her long and happy life and our infinite bond.

When I brought this kitten (MeMe) home, I was exhilarated by her
sweetness and
smitten by the antics of a young cat. It had been a long time since
someone had
propelled themselves across the room from a counter top to the back
of my neck.
She sleeps between us in the same spot that NoNo had for 19 years.

The Feline Leukemia diagnosis has brought back the sadness and
bittersweet feelings
of loss and mortality and connectedness. While I am committed to
doing whatever I can to
give her the best care and support available, will I ever be able
to hold her and kiss her
without a surge of sadness and regret and longing? Does the shock
of this disease ever move
to a place of acceptance and appreciation for the present time and
moment.

I realize that what I am asking has to do with my own consciousness
and ability to live in
the moment with gratitude that I selected this dear, sweet being to
love and care for.
She's sitting on my lap, purring and I am typing. I guess that is
an answer.

Thanks for listening.
Jane






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Re: stomatitis

2007-05-28 Thread Kelly L

At 07:13 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


Leukemia kitties should be kept in so they do not infect other cats 
and also so they do not pick up other stuff.
In general Ido not adopt any cats out who are allowed to roam free. 
there are cars and dogs and engines they get into, they get trapped 
in garages or other small spaces, there are people who do not like 
cats and I have one with 3 legs due to a b.b. gun injury,
they do love the sun and there are great window perches and screened 
porches,i have built a large outdoor enclosure for my cats so they are safe,

you can see it on my site
www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com
but especially FelV cats,it is not fair to infect other cats.
Love the babies
Kelly


Why did your vet say she could not go out?  Can she go out when she
gets over all the stuff she has?  Little Mamie always went out
sometimes with us and sometimes on her own.  Fortunately we were in a
very safe neighborhood and she would go out at five AM and stay out
until ten at night.  (She could always get in through her little cat
door--it got locked at night when she came in.  She came in when I
called!  She would buzz in and out the cat door all day long for a
snack or to say Hi!  She used to chase all the other cats away!
And she would puff up like a raccoon at the dogs (all leashed here.)
Really amusing!

Don't make her stay in her entire life.  Animals need the sun's rays
the way everyone on the surface of the planet does.  Mamie seemed to
become much healthier when she could be outside.  AND she was the
only cat I knew who would sit in the middle of the yard with
lightning flashing and thunder booming!  I couldn't believe it!
She was quite a brave little girl!

My little Sammy's homeopathic vet gives him 6 drops of omega 3 fish
oil/day, 1/2 cap of l-lysine/day and 1/4-1/2 cap of bovine colostrum
for his little immune system.


Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 28, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Jane Lyons wrote:


thank you all for your encouragement and sound advise.

Has anyone been able to cure stomatitis ?
We are working on diarrhea, giardia (which is probably
causing the diarrhea) sneezing (which is beginning to subside)
and a clear discharge from her eyes.

My homeopathic vet is hopeful that a new probiotic (FortiFlora)
will help boost her immunity. She also prescribed liquid DMG and
Archetype, which she does not like. I am trying to wean her from
Fancy Feast with a variety of organic raw meat/foul that she shows no
interest in.

I wish I could send a photo of her on the top branch of a 60'magnolia
the day before the diagnosis. She gets up and down trees faster than
squirrels do. My vet said she cannot go out, but I have not had the
heart
to tell her. I just want her to be happy. She hangs out directly
under a
bird feeder, hidden in liriope with the tips of her ears showing.

Jane






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Re: Please add Scamper to the CLS list

2007-05-28 Thread Kelly L

At 08:47 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


I am so sorry for your loss of Scamper. No matter how old they are it 
still hurts  so  much. When I pass I am going to have so many ashes 
mixed mine and then the potting soil and then plant trees with all of 
us for the bird to hang out inand keep all the kitty spirits entertained.

All me very good thoughts to you at this sad time.
Kelly


Please add our cat Scamper of 18 years to the CLS list. He lost his 
fight with cancer and CRF, he died in my arms. He will go to the 
rainbow bridge to reunite with his sibling Eli who passed last year 
of complications form FIV. His memory will be kept alive, so in part 
he will be be still alive.


He will be cremated, and then when my wife passes his ashes will join hers.

He was the kitten that did not stay down stairs in the box we made 
for him. He jumped/climbed up the stairs to our bedroom, 
jump/climbed up the comforter on our water bed to sleep with us.


Whitey Elric Bone, Regis, Luceria, Geo, Saiko, Stumpy, Marely, Eli, 
Cuddles, Butch, Romeo, Dartanion, Satan, Ni**er, Sasquash, Little 
Tux, Big Tux, and the too many others, help him at that place of 
rest, help him to enjoy being healthy and young again.


Sam and Marcia



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Re: new diagnosis

2007-05-27 Thread Kelly L

At 10:24 AM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

Welcome..and THANK YOU
No it is not a death sentence as you will see here. i just returned 
from Best friends where I met Many old,,,15-22 year old cats .. 
Unfortunately when kittens get it they seem to have a shorter life 
span, My guy is a year and a half,
Best Friends give their leukemia cats   1/4 cc immuno regulin I.M 
each month,,I use that and alferon natural interferon,,, a good diet 
and lots of love!!! and have other cats also and do not worry about 
it spreading to my adult vaccinated cats, But Max my FELV cat live 
primarily away form the others with his own friends,,, I do not want 
him catching anything else.

Kelly
www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com



Hello everyone
I just joined this group as I have just had two FeLV
positive test results on my year old kitten.

I adopted her from a cat shelter two months ago
with many health issues (upper respiratory, diarrhea
giardia, stomatits). I was told that she was FeLV negative
and figured I could deal with all of the above because they were
not life threatening and once I got her out of the shelter 'colony'
and to our vets, that she would get well. She didn't.

On Friday I took her to my homeopathic vet who insisted that
she be tested again for FeLV, and the test came back positive
and the second test result which I got on Saturday was also positive.

Needless to say I am devastated. Both of the vets that I use are being
supportive and hopeful. When I adopted a positive kitten 20 years ago
I was told that she had to be put down because she would infect my other cat.
This is not the case now. We have two Scotties and had recently lost 
a 19 year old

cat, and a 21 year old the year before.

This cat, MeMe, is an absolute love. My homeopath put her on a probiotic that
she is excited about FortiFlora, and liquid DMG as well as help in 
weaning her
to Archetype food as she is addicted to Fancy Feast which my vet 
calls 'kitty crack'.


I have been overwhelmed with the amount of information I am finding 
on the Web.
Some of it seems very optimistic, some, bordering on fantasy. I 
joined this group hoping to
share information with real people who are living and coping with 
this disease. I keep
re-reading the Home page on this site which states that Feline 
Leukemia is not a death

sentence. I would appreciate any information which could be helpful to MeMe.

Thank you
Jane






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Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread Kelly L

At 11:50 AM 5/27/2007, you wrote:
I agree with Pam she is suffering,,,she needs the tube and fluids, 
Please do let her just lie there suffering,,All the medications CAN 
be given via injection.She is dying,,,

Kelly



Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been 
getting more lethargic day by day.  And now she's at the point where 
all she does is hide/sleep.  When we bring her out of her hiding 
spot, she vomits almost immediately.   The Chloropromazine didn't 
help the vomiting, so I stopped giving it.


The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult 
because if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair 
bit of the prior feeding.  I'm going to have to feed her a couple of 
times a day, and leave it at that.  I think food may be the least of 
her worries right now.  She's probably getting dehydrated from all 
the vomiting, though I don't know how to tell that for sure.  Her 
third eyelid is very noticeable now.  She shows very little 
interest in drinking, mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it.


Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I 
seriously doubt she's pooped at all.  I'm not sure where the food is 
going after it goes in.


She's not very responsive either, anymore.  She will purr a bit when 
I pet her, but that's about it.


I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even 
strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy,  or 
feeding tube insertion anymore.  Considering the vet clinics i've 
called don't know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one 
anywhere nearby.


This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that 
even in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not 
much more that can be done.  I know someone right now who has 
cancer, and since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have 
stopped aggressive treatment.  She has only painkillers and 6 months to live.


Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a 
week ago, I begin a new batch of tears.  She was absolutely 
fearless, I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare 
her.  Everytime I had an empty box or bag out, she would be in 
it.  She carried a little stuffed panda around all the time, and 
would proudly announce she had something special in her mouth.  No 
matter where I hid that panda, she would find it.  She could break 
into anything, including the closets.


She's always been so loving and gentle too.  I could pet her belly, 
the only cat that would let me do that.  And when she played, she 
would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought 
she would make the perfect kitty for a child to play with.


It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the ones that can 
cheer you up after a long day at work.  It's going to take me a long 
time to get over the last 3 months, going through this process 3 
times.  And I know at any time, Tomi could get sick again.


I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't seem to focus on 
anything else other than my kitties these days.


Cassandra


- Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



Cassandra,

I agree with what everyone says here, but am keeping
in mind that you are limited to location and funding.
That being said, even if Kisa does not get chemo, she
does need the combo dexamethasone/depomedrol shots.
They will not cure anything, but will keep her very
comfortable up to her passing if you choose not to do
chemo.  They are steroids, but much stronger than
prednisone.  I am so sorry Kisa is having to go
through this (and you as well).  Prayers going out for
both of you.  Please keep us posted.

:)
Wendy

--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Cassandra,

I just read this email.  How is Kisa doing today?  I
am not caught up yet.  I hope she's better.  Prayers
going out for both of you.

:)
Wendy

--- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, after going to the vet today, it's not
looking
 good for Kisa.

 She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and
 elevated number of lymphocytes.  Therefore they
 believe she has a liver disease, possibly
 lymphosarcoma.

 The only way they can tell for sure what the
problem
 is with her liver is to do a biopsy which means
 surgery.They didn't suggest doing this though
 because of the FeLV and her immune system being
 compromised.

 They gave me prednisone and baytril for her,
though
 i'm really not sure how she'll handle keeping
those
 down when she is vomiting so easily.  They're
hoping
 the steroid will make her feel a little better and
 maybe regain some appetite.

 I've really got to try and get her to eat
something,
 she hasn't eaten since Saturday night now.

 I don't understand why this is all happening at
 once.  First I watched Tomi get sicker and sicker
 for nearly 2 months.  As soon as he started

Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread Kelly L

At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:


I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, she 
needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give fluids at 
home and the medications she need. giving injections is so easy, Your 
baby needs you to be strong and make the best decisions for her and 
it looks like you have,
The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a turn 
for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision just 
tell them to call you so you can go there and have her safely and 
warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you can 
bring he favorite things to her and they will let you be with her as 
much as you want to,Feel free to email and post all night and 
email me privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but 
you are doing what is best for your baby.

Kelly


Thanks all,

Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now.  It tears me up to 
have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away 
from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel better.   I 
don't know if she seems so sick because of her disfunctioning liver 
and the toxins in her body, or because she is dehydrated, but I hope 
something helps.


I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at 
least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her.


She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the 
blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's 
anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to try.  I just hope 
she knows that i'm only doing all this to her because I love her.


Cassandra

- Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



Cassandra,

I am so sorry.  Kisa sounds like such a special kitty.
I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed
panda around.  What special memories you have of her.
Still praying for her to rally.  And for comfort for
you.

:)
Wendy

--- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last
week, she's been getting
more lethargic day by day.  And now she's at the
point where all she does is
hide/sleep.  When we bring her out of her hiding
spot, she vomits almost
immediately.   The Chloropromazine didn't help the
vomiting, so I stopped
giving it.

The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more
difficult because if we
feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair
bit of the prior
feeding.  I'm going to have to feed her a couple of
times a day, and leave
it at that.  I think food may be the least of her
worries right now.  She's
probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting,
though I don't know how
to tell that for sure.  Her third eyelid is very
noticeable now.  She
shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just
sticks her paws in the
water and sniffs it.

Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her
since wednesday, I seriously
doubt she's pooped at all.  I'm not sure where the
food is going after it
goes in.

She's not very responsive either, anymore.  She will
purr a bit when I pet
her, but that's about it.

I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not
sure she's even strong
enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy,
or feeding tube
insertion anymore.  Considering the vet clinics i've
called don't know of an
oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere
nearby.

This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to
remember that even in
people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's
usually not much more that
can be done.  I know someone right now who has
cancer, and since the cancer
went into her liver, the doctors have stopped
aggressive treatment.  She has
only painkillers and 6 months to live.

Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief
Kisa was only a week ago,
I begin a new batch of tears.  She was absolutely
fearless, I could vacuum
her off, nothing would scare her.  Everytime I had
an empty box or bag out,
she would be in it.  She carried a little stuffed
panda around all the time,
and would proudly announce she had something special
in her mouth.  No
matter where I hid that panda, she would find it.
She could break into
anything, including the closets.

She's always been so loving and gentle too.  I could
pet her belly, the only
cat that would let me do that.  And when she played,
she would be so gentle
when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she
would make the perfect
kitty for a child to play with.

It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the
ones that can cheer you
up after a long day at work.  It's going to take me
a long time to get over
the last 3 months, going through this process 3
times.  And I know at any
time, Tomi could get sick again.

I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't
seem to focus on anything
else other than my kitties these days.

Cassandra


- Original Message - From

Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread Kelly L

At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

What are they doing for her.
are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often 
are they checking on her??Private email me if you can

[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet.  We 
don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here.  So basically, the 
on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be at 
the clinic.


So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok.

Cassandra

- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:


I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, 
she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give 
fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is 
so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best 
decisions for her and it looks like you have,
The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a 
turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision 
just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her safely 
and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them if you 
can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you be with 
her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and post all 
night and email me privately any time and I will respond, It is so 
hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby.

Kelly


Thanks all,

Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now.  It tears me up to 
have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die away 
from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel 
better.   I don't know if she seems so sick because of her 
disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she is 
dehydrated, but I hope something helps.


I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at 
least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her.


She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the 
blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if there's 
anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to try.  I just 
hope she knows that i'm only doing all this to her because I love her.


Cassandra

- Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



Cassandra,

I am so sorry.  Kisa sounds like such a special kitty.
I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed
panda around.  What special memories you have of her.
Still praying for her to rally.  And for comfort for
you.

:)
Wendy

--- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last
week, she's been getting
more lethargic day by day.  And now she's at the
point where all she does is
hide/sleep.  When we bring her out of her hiding
spot, she vomits almost
immediately.   The Chloropromazine didn't help the
vomiting, so I stopped
giving it.

The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more
difficult because if we
feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair
bit of the prior
feeding.  I'm going to have to feed her a couple of
times a day, and leave
it at that.  I think food may be the least of her
worries right now.  She's
probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting,
though I don't know how
to tell that for sure.  Her third eyelid is very
noticeable now.  She
shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just
sticks her paws in the
water and sniffs it.

Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her
since wednesday, I seriously
doubt she's pooped at all.  I'm not sure where the
food is going after it
goes in.

She's not very responsive either, anymore.  She will
purr a bit when I pet
her, but that's about it.

I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not
sure she's even strong
enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy,
or feeding tube
insertion anymore.  Considering the vet clinics i've
called don't know of an
oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere
nearby.

This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to
remember that even in
people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's
usually not much more that
can be done.  I know someone right now who has
cancer, and since the cancer
went into her liver, the doctors have stopped
aggressive treatment.  She has
only painkillers and 6 months to live.

Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief
Kisa was only a week ago,
I begin a new batch of tears.  She was absolutely
fearless, I could vacuum
her off, nothing would scare her.  Everytime I had
an empty box or bag out,
she would be in it.  She carried a little stuffed
panda around all the time,
and would proudly announce she had something special
in her mouth.  No
matter where I hid that panda, she would find it.
She could break into
anything, including the closets.

She's always been so

Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread Kelly L

At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets something 
in her tummyPlease do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL...
A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab 
results so they can always be hand carried and you have a spare copy 
at home
Make sure you get a middle of the night update Insistbe a 
B$%^H...this is your baby...
Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a hOLIDAY,,,How 
far are you from the closest 24 hour vet

I am here awake most of the the night
Kelly



They are just putting her on IV for the night.  I'm going to get the 
previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet faxed 
over tomorrow morning.


I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the clinic.

This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the weekends.  All 
the vet clinics around here are only open regular business hours, 
and til noon on saturdays.  If you have to see a vet on the weekend, 
its an on-call vet, and you get charged something like $100 to see that vet.


Cassandra
- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

What are they doing for her.
are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often 
are they checking on her??Private email me if you can

[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet.  We 
don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here.  So basically, the 
on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be 
at the clinic.


So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok.

Cassandra

- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:


I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, 
she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give 
fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is 
so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best 
decisions for her and it looks like you have,
The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a 
turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision 
just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her 
safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them 
if you can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you 
be with her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and 
post all night and email me privately any time and I will 
respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your baby.

Kelly


Thanks all,

Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now.  It tears me up 
to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die 
away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel 
better.   I don't know if she seems so sick because of her 
disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she 
is dehydrated, but I hope something helps.


I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at 
least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to treat her.


She's been sleeping at night between my husband and I under the 
blanket, and i'm going to really miss that tonight, but if 
there's anything at all I can do to help her, i've got to 
try.  I just hope she knows that i'm only doing all this to her 
because I love her.


Cassandra

- Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



Cassandra,

I am so sorry.  Kisa sounds like such a special kitty.
I loved reading about how she carries her stuffed
panda around.  What special memories you have of her.
Still praying for her to rally.  And for comfort for
you.

:)
Wendy

--- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last
week, she's been getting
more lethargic day by day.  And now she's at the
point where all she does is
hide/sleep.  When we bring her out of her hiding
spot, she vomits almost
immediately.   The Chloropromazine didn't help the
vomiting, so I stopped
giving it.

The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more
difficult because if we
feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair
bit of the prior
feeding.  I'm going to have to feed her a couple of
times a day, and leave
it at that.  I think food may be the least of her
worries right now.  She's
probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting,
though I don't know how
to tell that for sure.  Her third eyelid is very
noticeable now.  She
shows very little interest in drinking, mainly just
sticks her paws in the
water and sniffs it.

Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her
since wednesday, I seriously
doubt she's pooped at all

Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread Kelly L

At 05:41 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

Are you in Canada???Glad it is not a Holiday for you there,,they have 
ways of getting food into the baby. Please reconsider a feeding 
tube,,,until the crisis passes, There are 3 different types, One just 
goes through the nose and is temporary, there is one that takes a 
minor surgery that starts at the neck and goes into the 
Esophagus,,,That seems to be the preferred method, the one that goes 
right into the gut is more dangerous and a higher risk of infection.
Perhaps if you are in Canada it may be more difficult to get the 
injectable meds,
Most vets here are happy to teach the owners how to do it, It takes 
about 5 minutes to learn and honestly it is the preferred method by 
the cats also,It is Not painful or stressful
 I use Reglan, and Anzamet by injection for cats that are 
vomitingI use the injectable, it makes sense that if they are 
throwing up they may not even keep the meds down.

I have fluids if you need them and have trouble getting them.
Please let me know how I can help
you can do a private email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Any time
Kelly



The small city I live near is only about 50 thousand people, with 3 
vet clinics.  The bigger city is a 2.5 hour drive away.  They may 
have a 24 hour vet, but its not feasible to bring her 
there.  Tomorrow isn't a holiday here, we had our holiday last Monday.


There's nothing I can do to make sure she is checked up on 
overnight.  I can't tell them how to run their clinic.  It sucks, 
but i'm sure they check on the animals in the evening, and would 
hopefully call me if anything is wrong.


I syringe fed her once today, and she kept it down.  I imagine 
they'll have to feed her tomorrow.  I didn't ask how that is 
done...do they normally do a tube feeding at the vet?


Cassandra

- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets 
something in her tummyPlease do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL...
A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab 
results so they can always be hand carried and you have a spare 
copy at home
Make sure you get a middle of the night update Insistbe a 
B$%^H...this is your baby...
Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a 
hOLIDAY,,,How far are you from the closest 24 hour vet

I am here awake most of the the night
Kelly



They are just putting her on IV for the night.  I'm going to get 
the previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet 
faxed over tomorrow morning.


I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the clinic.

This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the 
weekends.  All the vet clinics around here are only open regular 
business hours, and til noon on saturdays.  If you have to see a 
vet on the weekend, its an on-call vet, and you get charged 
something like $100 to see that vet.


Cassandra
- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

What are they doing for her.
are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How 
often are they checking on her??Private email me if you can

[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour 
vet.  We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here.  So 
basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her when 
he happens to be at the clinic.


So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok.

Cassandra

- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:


I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are 
right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to 
give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving 
injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and 
make the best decisions for her and it looks like you have,
The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a 
turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful 
decision just tell them to call you so you can go there and 
have her safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite 
blanket. Ask them if you can bring he favorite things to her 
and they will let you be with her as much as you want 
to,Feel free to email and post all night and email me 
privately any time and I will respond, It is so hard, but you 
are doing what is best for your baby.

Kelly


Thanks all,

Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now.  It tears me 
up to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her 
die away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her 
feel better

Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread Kelly L

At 07:17 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:


It has been my experience that members in Canada have had trouble 
getting the fluids to give at home .please private email me if I 
can help...

thanks
Kelly


Yes I am in Canada, so i'm sure not all the drugs are the same, and 
availability may differ.


I was using Chloropromazine for the vomiting, but it didn't work.  I 
will ask about those other drugs.


So vomiting will preclude having a feeding tube in the 
esophagus?  If so, that could be a problem, as she vomits quite 
regularly, and has been doing so for a week now.


Cassandra

- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 05:41 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

Are you in Canada???Glad it is not a Holiday for you there,,they 
have ways of getting food into the baby. Please reconsider a 
feeding tube,,,until the crisis passes, There are 3 different 
types, One just goes through the nose and is temporary, there is 
one that takes a minor surgery that starts at the neck and goes 
into the Esophagus,,,That seems to be the preferred method, the one 
that goes right into the gut is more dangerous and a higher risk of infection.
Perhaps if you are in Canada it may be more difficult to get the 
injectable meds,
Most vets here are happy to teach the owners how to do it, It takes 
about 5 minutes to learn and honestly it is the preferred method by 
the cats also,It is Not painful or stressful
 I use Reglan, and Anzamet by injection for cats that are 
vomitingI use the injectable, it makes sense that if they are 
throwing up they may not even keep the meds down.

I have fluids if you need them and have trouble getting them.
Please let me know how I can help
you can do a private email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Any time
Kelly



The small city I live near is only about 50 thousand people, with 
3 vet clinics.  The bigger city is a 2.5 hour drive away.  They 
may have a 24 hour vet, but its not feasible to bring her 
there.  Tomorrow isn't a holiday here, we had our holiday last Monday.


There's nothing I can do to make sure she is checked up on 
overnight.  I can't tell them how to run their clinic.  It sucks, 
but i'm sure they check on the animals in the evening, and would 
hopefully call me if anything is wrong.


I syringe fed her once today, and she kept it down.  I imagine 
they'll have to feed her tomorrow.  I didn't ask how that is 
done...do they normally do a tube feeding at the vet?


Cassandra

- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets 
something in her tummyPlease do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL...
A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab 
results so they can always be hand carried and you have a spare 
copy at home
Make sure you get a middle of the night update Insistbe a 
B$%^H...this is your baby...
Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a 
hOLIDAY,,,How far are you from the closest 24 hour vet

I am here awake most of the the night
Kelly



They are just putting her on IV for the night.  I'm going to get 
the previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other 
vet faxed over tomorrow morning.


I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at 
the clinic.


This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the 
weekends.  All the vet clinics around here are only open regular 
business hours, and til noon on saturdays.  If you have to see a 
vet on the weekend, its an on-call vet, and you get charged 
something like $100 to see that vet.


Cassandra
- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

What are they doing for her.
are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How 
often are they checking on her??Private email me if you can

[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour 
vet.  We don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here.  So 
basically, the on-call vet will probably only check on her 
when he happens to be at the clinic.


So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok.

Cassandra

- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:


I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are 
right, she needs medical care right now. they will teach you 
to give fluids at home and the medications she need. giving 
injections is so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and 
make the best decisions for her and it looks

Re: Toxo- contagious or no?

2007-05-27 Thread Kelly L

At 08:38 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:


It should NOT be contagious


No one seems to be able to tell me.  I researched it some and it seems
to come from eating raw meat, such as mice?

But Caroline doesn't mouse...

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Re: Kelley

2007-05-27 Thread Kelly L

At 08:59 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:



Good ,,keep 'em on their toes!!Keep us up to date please,,,
Kelly



Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am paying
dearly.  They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet.  She's being
monitored around the clock.  I've called up there 5 times today
starting at 6 am and been there once.

On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed
tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about seeing
her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive?


Have you ever  had a cat before that had seizures?  My Paddy, who is
now 22, had one about 2 years ago  has never had another, knock on
wood. Apparently this happens.

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Re: Good thoughts for Caroline

2007-05-26 Thread Kelly L

At 03:46 PM 5/26/2007, you wrote:


Sending good wishes for Carline. Please keep us updated.
Kelly



I got up this morning and Carline was sick.  I took her to the
hospital..she had 2 seizures in the car...they don't know what is
wrong with her but she will be staying in the ER for the weekend...it
doesn't look very good.  She's lost a lot of weight and was dehydrated
w/vomiting

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Re: Plastic bags

2007-05-26 Thread Kelly L

At 08:13 PM 5/26/2007, you wrote:

Why can we lobby to have them made of a thin cardboard  so they will 
biodegrade..I hate them!!


While on this subject, don't forget to cut through the handles of 
all plastic  actually ANY bags before trashing them. Stray cats can 
get their heads caught in the handles  strangle.   So please please 
cut those loops!


For the same reason, cut through the loops of the plastic things 
holding 6 paks together.  Those things have been found around the 
necks of seals, cutting off their ability to swallow, thus starving 
them. Closer to inland home, small aniimals can get their heads 
caught in those too, or stray kittens which as they grow these 
things will tighten around their necks.


Pam




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Re: Great Snake evening excitement

2007-05-22 Thread Kelly L

At 11:20 PM 5/21/2007, you wrote:


the snake is just fine and happily on his way to freedom,,,the cats 
are all fine and my arm is a mess, Can/t bend my writs swollen and 
still bleeding, i did stat Augmentun,,the right antibiotic, but I 
only have enough for 2 days ( from my last bite..lol) so i will 
probably head to the doc tomorrow... I need to scrounge around for a 
rabies certificate from one of my cats first, they do not go free so 
i am not worried, but do not want snoops around here,

Kelly


Poor little scared guy!  How's your hand/arm?

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 21, 2007, at 11:47 PM, Kelly L wrote:


Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats
curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird,
a gopher  or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes
from the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and
knees,,,shooing the cats away and heard a very irritated snake
under the dresser. i could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a
rattle snake,,,So now what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried
to get them out with out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite
hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i needed to keep track of
the snake, I tossed a few cats in the bathroom,,slammed the
door,,,got one into the closet and scared a few into my cat
inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4 more,
I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived
a few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to
get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and
was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good,
Several very deep bites but I got her out,
Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like
a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the
vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see
him,,,
the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake
in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!!
What is strange is I have a pair of  Red Tail hawks nesting in my
palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my
window,,,each day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was
just commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm
Kelly






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Re: Great Snake evening excitement

2007-05-22 Thread Kelly L

At 11:59 PM 5/21/2007, you wrote:



already found one,


No kidding.  Now is the time for a servant!  Where are they when we
NEED them?  Good luck finding the rabies certificate.  After being
bitten one of my vet tech friends ended up in the hospital for two
weeks mainlining antibiotics and another friend got well at home but
had really weird hallucinations.

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 22, 2007, at 1:51 AM, Kelly L wrote:


At 11:20 PM 5/21/2007, you wrote:


the snake is just fine and happily on his way to freedom,,,the cats
are all fine and my arm is a mess, Can/t bend my writs swollen and
still bleeding, i did stat Augmentun,,the right antibiotic, but I
only have enough for 2 days ( from my last bite..lol) so i will
probably head to the doc tomorrow... I need to scrounge around for
a rabies certificate from one of my cats first, they do not go free
so i am not worried, but do not want snoops around here,
Kelly


Poor little scared guy!  How's your hand/arm?

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 21, 2007, at 11:47 PM, Kelly L wrote:


Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats
curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird,
a gopher  or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes
from the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and
knees,,,shooing the cats away and heard a very irritated snake
under the dresser. i could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a
rattle snake,,,So now what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried
to get them out with out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite
hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i needed to keep track of
the snake, I tossed a few cats in the bathroom,,slammed the
door,,,got one into the closet and scared a few into my cat
inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4 more,
I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived
a few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to
get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and
was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good,
Several very deep bites but I got her out,
Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like
a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the
vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see
him,,,
the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake
in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!!
What is strange is I have a pair of  Red Tail hawks nesting in my
palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my
window,,,each day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was
just commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm
Kelly





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Re: Great Snake evening excitement

2007-05-22 Thread Kelly L

At 01:14 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote:



no problem. I have Kaiser and a Rabies certificate,,,been there 
before...no health claims and i got a tetanus shot with my last years bite.

anyone time you claim a stray cat bite you are subject to rabies shots,
Kelly



Don't tell them everything...maybe that you were reaching for a 
cat in an alley or something like that.  Try not to implicate any of 
your cats because most hospitals have to report it and most 
insurances will question your claims.  I know my health insurance 
called to see who the cat belonged to etc.  She quite literally was 
a feral with no owner and no known hang out.






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will exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.

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- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: Great Snake evening excitement



At 11:20 PM 5/21/2007, you wrote:


the snake is just fine and happily on his way to freedom,,,the cats 
are all fine and my arm is a mess, Can/t bend my writs swollen and 
still bleeding, i did stat Augmentun,,the right antibiotic, but I 
only have enough for 2 days ( from my last bite..lol) so i will 
probably head to the doc tomorrow... I need to scrounge around for 
a rabies certificate from one of my cats first, they do not go free 
so i am not worried, but do not want snoops around here,

Kelly


Poor little scared guy!  How's your hand/arm?

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 21, 2007, at 11:47 PM, Kelly L wrote:


Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats
curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird,
a gopher  or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes
from the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and
knees,,,shooing the cats away and heard a very irritated snake
under the dresser. i could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a
rattle snake,,,So now what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried
to get them out with out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite
hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i needed to keep track of
the snake, I tossed a few cats in the bathroom,,slammed the
door,,,got one into the closet and scared a few into my cat
inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4 more,
I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived
a few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to
get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and
was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good,
Several very deep bites but I got her out,
Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like
a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the
vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see
him,,,
the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake
in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!!
What is strange is I have a pair of  Red Tail hawks nesting in my
palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my
window,,,each day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was
just commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm
Kelly





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Re: Great Snake evening excitement

2007-05-22 Thread Kelly L

At 01:10 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote:



 Yup, I am a nurse so I know about cat bites,,,it is the only 
thing  i realy go to the doctor for for treatment and already 
started antibiotics


Kelly

Please be very careful with the cat bites.  I know you will be but 
have to say it anyway.  I little feral broken a finger (much to the 
dismay of an entire hand practice at a  university here).  I had 
surgery twice. Immediately to repair some damage and later 
(supposedly) to repair the nail bed.  The last surgery was after a 
very long course of antibiotics.  Instead of repairing the nail bed 
they wound up cleaning out the wound again.  Seems like it was very 
infected with no outer signs of infection.  Some of these bugs can 
get into the bone and fester for months or years.  I am not saying 
this to scare you just to ask that you keep an especially close eye 
on the situation.  Your cats value you much too much to let you 
spend too much time at a hospital.







If you have men who 
will exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.

 St. Francis
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:47 PM
Subject: Great Snake evening excitement


Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats 
curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird, 
a gopher  or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes 
from the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and 
knees,,,shooing the cats away and heard a very irritated snake 
under the dresser. i could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a 
rattle snake,,,So now what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried 
to get them out with out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite 
hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i needed to keep track of 
the snake, I tossed a few cats in the bathroom,,slammed the 
door,,,got one into the closet and scared a few into my cat 
inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4 more,
I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived 
a few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to 
get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and 
was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good, 
Several very deep bites but I got her out,
Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like 
a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the 
vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see him,,,
the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake 
in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!!
What is strange is I have a pair of  Red Tail hawks nesting in my 
palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my 
window,,,each day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was 
just commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm

Kelly






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Re: Great Snake evening excitement

2007-05-22 Thread Kelly L

At 07:00 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote:
Already started the Augmentin last night..it is humorous. the 
swelling is from soft tissue damage as opposed to infection..I always 
used to ask my self what I would do if there were a rattle snake 
challenging my cats. Well I now know,,My cats and the snake  do  come 
first, it was a cute little gopher snake, i find frequent garter 
snakes in the house and just put them in the front bushes away from 
the cat, I have to laugh at myself as I do finally have a hair 
appointment at 12 and need to work the ER visit around that...I do 
have a rabies certificate for another cat so I am cool with that part,.

Boy are we women or what.
Kelly

Well, I was chuckling through your story until I got to the part 
about the cat bite already starting to swell.  Anytime a bite is bad 
enough to send me to the hospital the story I tell is always about a 
stray, (not feral), just a scared little kitty that I tried to yank 
by the tail out from under a car.  No, I have never seen her before, 
(I make up an elaborate description, she had a mustache like Hitler, 
or some such nonsense), and she ran like a bolt after she bit me.  I 
live in CA too and they always suggest a series of rabbies shots and 
I always refuse them.  No one can make you take the treatments, at 
least no one has ever tried to force them on me.  Bruce was the last 
one to get bit and he refused to go to the doctor when it began to 
swell.  By the time I was ready to knock him unconscious to get him 
there, (the next day), he needed the injectable Augmentin, (a series 
of them for several weeks).
The doctor kept shaking his head and talking about admitting him to 
the hospital for iv antibiotics, but he was able to fight off the 
infection with mega doses of oral and the injectables.  You can 
order Augmentin wo a script from: 
http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=Augmentinbysearch=okGo.x=9Go.y=6 
http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showprice.asp?name=Augmentinbysearch=okGo.x=9Go.y=6


Be sure and let us know how you are doing.  I hope that grateful 
little garter snake figures out a way to avoid the hawks and you 
haven't set back your feral's socialization too much.  Let's hope 
that snake lets his friends know that your house is less safe than 
the bushes.  Next time tell your assistant to bring a net with her 
along with the boots and rake. Nina


Kelly L wrote:
Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats 
curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird, 
a gopher  or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes 
from the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and 
knees,,,shooing the cats away and heard a very irritated snake 
under the dresser. i could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a 
rattle snake,,,So now what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried 
to get them out with out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite 
hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i needed to keep track of 
the snake, I tossed a few cats in the bathroom,,slammed the 
door,,,got one into the closet and scared a few into my cat 
inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4 more,
I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived 
a few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to 
get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and 
was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good, 
Several very deep bites but I got her out,
Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like 
a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the 
vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see him,,,
the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake 
in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!!
What is strange is I have a pair of  Red Tail hawks nesting in my 
palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my 
window,,,each day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was 
just commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm

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Re: Great Snake evening excitement

2007-05-22 Thread Kelly L

At 07:25 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote:


I am so glad the kitty has been spotted, Do they have a trap set
my 3 days at BestFirneds Healing heart workshop was so needed,,,To 
sit in a room with 10 other women from the all over the county and 
know you are no alone,We are not just cat ladies eitherdogs 
snakes gopher,,sorry i don't do kids!!

Have a good day
kelly

We are Women alright: Crazy Cat Women!  I was talking with Hideyo 
yesterday about all we do above and beyond.  Do you remember the 
little adopted kitty that went missing from the new adopter's house 
the first night?  Well Hideyo has finally spotted her outside the 
lady's house where they've been leaving food out.  She had to stake 
the place out and Mattie didn't show up until 1am.  When I suggested 
that perhaps it would be easier for the new mom to fight her sleep 
and keep watch for Mattie, Hideyo told me that she didn't think the 
woman would be willing to do that.  I said, why not?  I certainly 
would.  Hideyo didn't miss a beat when she told me very 
matter-of-factly, Yes, but you're crazy.  This coming from one of 
the craziest cat ladies I know.  It really cracked me up.

Nina

Kelly L wrote:

At 07:00 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote:
Already started the Augmentin last night..it is humorous. the 
swelling is from soft tissue damage as opposed to infection..I 
always used to ask my self what I would do if there were a rattle 
snake challenging my cats. Well I now know,,My cats and the 
snake  do  come first, it was a cute little gopher snake, i find 
frequent garter snakes in the house and just put them in the front 
bushes away from the cat, I have to laugh at myself as I do finally 
have a hair appointment at 12 and need to work the ER visit around 
that...I do have a rabies certificate for another cat so I am cool 
with that part,.

Boy are we women or what.
Kelly





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Re: Great Snake evening excitement

2007-05-22 Thread Kelly L

At 02:49 PM 5/22/2007, you wrote:



there are a few strains of deadly bacteria in a cats mouth, You do 
know that Augmentin is almost the same as Clavamox.. I have used it 
many times and it has reversed severe infections.

Vanco is reserved to super bad bugs,
kelly

I took Augmentin last year for a cat bite  next thing I knew I was 
deathly ill with Cdiff (clostridium difficile). Lost  30 pounds in 3 
months, was on Flagyl for 8 weeks with 2 relapses, went on 
Vancomycin  am still on it  8 months later. I will not take a broad 
spectrum antibiotic again unless it is direly necessary  even then 
I will be sure to take Vanco with it. And me with 10 cats of my own, 
 a semi-feral colony of 4.  I honestly don't know what is worse, an 
untreated cat bite or Cdiff.

Pam

Kelly L wrote:

At 01:10 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote:




 Yup, I am a nurse so I know about cat bites,,,it is the only thing
i realy go to the doctor for for treatment and already started 
antibiotics


Kelly

Please be very careful with the cat bites.  I know you will be but 
have to say it anyway.  I little feral broken a finger (much to 
the dismay of an entire hand practice at a  university here).  I 
had surgery twice. Immediately to repair some damage and later 
(supposedly) to repair the nail bed.  The last surgery was after a 
very long course of antibiotics.  Instead of repairing the nail 
bed they wound up cleaning out the wound again.  Seems like it was 
very infected with no outer signs of infection.  Some of these 
bugs can get into the bone and fester for months or years.  I am 
not saying this to scare you just to ask that you keep an 
especially close eye on the situation.  Your cats value you much 
too much to let you spend too much time at a hospital.







If you have men 
who will exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter 
of compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal 
likewise with their fellow man.


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- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:47 PM
Subject: Great Snake evening excitement


Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats 
curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a 
bird, a gopher  or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter 
snakes from the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and 
knees,,,shooing the cats away and heard a very irritated snake 
under the dresser. i could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a 
rattle snake,,,So now what,,there are 13 cats in there and i 
tried to get them out with out scaring them under the 
dresser,,favorite hiding place,,I did not want to leave as i 
needed to keep track of the snake, I tossed a few cats in the 
bathroom,,slammed the door,,,got one into the closet and scared a 
few into my cat inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4 more,
I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She 
arrived a few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still 
needed to get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by 
the scuff and was almost out the door but she turned and really 
got me good, Several very deep bites but I got her out,
Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more 
like a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the 
vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see him,,,
the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a 
snake in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!!
What is strange is I have a pair of  Red Tail hawks nesting in my 
palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my 
window,,,each day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i 
was just commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm

Kelly





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Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee

2007-05-21 Thread Kelly L

At 08:31 AM 5/21/2007, you wrote:


Don't laugh , but last week i purchased a fire place screen to i 
could put it to the wall heaters to protect them from the same thing.
Have you considered putting some wet and vinegar soaked towels in the 
dryier and running it for a while??

Kelly


I bet its on the floor under the dryer...
Tad

Nina wrote:

Remember the thread where everyone was trying to figure out where 
the urine odor was coming from?  (Kelley, I'm sure you do).  Well, 
someone has contaminated my dryer.  I'm not sure how they did 
it.  I'm assuming they backed up, aimed and fired into the crevices 
around the opening of the door, but I guess it could be in the air 
filter.  All I know is that I've scrubbed and sprayed and scrubbed 
some more.  Every time I think it's safe to dry a load of clothes 
they come out of the dryer smelling not springtime fresh, but of 
fresh kitty.  Whoever marked the dryer must be thrilled, everything 
smells of their scent now.  Any suggestions?  Do I have to get a 
new dryer and house it behind chain link?

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Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee

2007-05-21 Thread Kelly L

At 08:45 AM 5/21/2007, you wrote:


I was at BEST FRIENDS last week for the workshop, Sitting in one of 
the dog areas listening to a talk on detecting stress in dogs 
etc,,Well as I leaned forward I got that strange familar 
whiffI kept hoping it was coming for elsewhere,, No 
chanceMy shirt had that familiar yellow patch that i did not see 
as i got dressed in the hotel that morning,

A trip to the bathroom and a wet shirt for the next few hours
I always carry spare shoes and clothes in my car,,,
Kelly


I'm thinking of draping my whole house in wet vinegar towels!  I'll 
pull the dryer out and scrub the floors and try the wet towel 
trick.  I keep thinking of the little perfumed sachets my mother 
used to keep in her lingerie drawer, far far cry from that!

Thanks,
Nina


Kelly L wrote:

At 08:31 AM 5/21/2007, you wrote:


Don't laugh , but last week i purchased a fire place screen to i 
could put it to the wall heaters to protect them from the same thing.
Have you considered putting some wet and vinegar soaked towels in 
the dryier and running it for a while??

Kelly


I bet its on the floor under the dryer...
Tad

Nina wrote:

Remember the thread where everyone was trying to figure out where 
the urine odor was coming from?  (Kelley, I'm sure you 
do).  Well, someone has contaminated my dryer.  I'm not sure how they did it.
I'm assuming they backed up, aimed and fired into the crevices 
around the opening of the door, but I guess it could be in the 
air filter.  All I know is that I've scrubbed and sprayed and 
scrubbed some more.  Every time I think it's safe to dry a load 
of clothes they come out of the dryer smelling not springtime 
fresh, but of fresh kitty.  Whoever marked the dryer must be 
thrilled, everything smells of their scent now.  Any 
suggestions?  Do I have to get a new dryer and house it behind chain link?

Nina







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Great Snake evening excitement

2007-05-21 Thread Kelly L
Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats 
curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird, a 
gopher  or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes from 
the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and knees,,,shooing the 
cats away and heard a very irritated snake under the dresser. i could 
not tell if it was a gopher snake or a rattle snake,,,So now 
what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried to get them out with out 
scaring them under the dresser,,favorite hiding place,,I did not want 
to leave as i needed to keep track of the snake, I tossed a few cats 
in the bathroom,,slammed the door,,,got one into the closet and 
scared a few into my cat inclosure and locked them out, that left only 4 more,
I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived a 
few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to get 
one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and was 
almost out the door but she turned and really got me good, Several 
very deep bites but I got her out,
Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like a 
poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the vineyards 
to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see him,,,
the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake 
in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!!
What is strange is I have a pair of  Red Tail hawks nesting in my 
palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my window,,,each 
day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was just commenting 
that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm

Kelly




Re: Plastic Bag Kitties

2007-05-20 Thread Kelly L

At 10:24 PM 5/20/2007, you wrote:




Plastic bags can be very dangerous to kitties, they can chew part off 
and choke, but more common is they get it tangled around their necks 
where the handles are and strangle themselves, Paper bags are safe 
fun for kitties.

Kelly


Please make sure you are watching him closely when he is playing 
with plastic bags.  Like a baby, they can suffocate and/or eat 
pieces that may not pass thru his system.







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who will exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter 
of compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.

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From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Taylor Scobie Humphrey
To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:58 PM
Subject: Plastic Bag Kitties

My adorable tuxedo Billi Bi loves those plastic bags from the 
grocery or the pharmacy.  He tries to cram all eight pounds of his 
lanky self into them.  Billi Bi is part Siamese and has the voice to prove it!


Also, years ago I read that cats adored those thin brown tissue 
dress patterns.  They could eat them (yum, yum).


Taylor Scobie Humphrey
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On May 12, 2007, at 12:43 PM, 
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Okay, I have a Siamese ever since he was a baby (6 weeks old rescue)
he has a fetish for plastic. Especially the plastic bags from the 
grocery stores it doesn't matter which store it's from.

He will lick it or love it.
He has been tested and there is nothing medically wrong with him.
He is almost 5 years old.
Anyone have a kitty that does this?

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Little/Big Maxx

2007-05-19 Thread Kelly L
Well it looks like Maxx will not be going up to Seattle after all. 
His original owner might be studying abroad and so Maxx is happy here.
He is very healthy. his labs were good. I have him on the alferon 
protocol and am going to be adding the I. R on a monthly basis.
I do have a fear that with all my other cats he might end up catching 
something down the road so as much as I really love this very sweet 
mellow chubby guy I would love to see him go to a home with one other 
positive cat, I am VERY protective over my kids so it would need to 
be an exceptional care giver, One willing to continue using this 
prophylactic protocol, i would supple the meds of course,
If anyone out there has a lonely FelV cat looking for a companion 
please private email me and I can send some pictures,
he will ALWAYS have a home here so this isn't  a plea for a home,, 
Just looking for a safer one for him.

Thanks
Kelly
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Re: From Michelle

2007-05-19 Thread Kelly L

At 03:54 PM 5/19/2007, you wrote:

Please tell Michelle we are all sending positive thoughts for Patches and mom..
Kelly


Hi all,Michelle wanted me to pass this on to everyone here,to ask 
for prayers for her sweet Patches.

Sherry

Hi,all
 Patches, my one remaining positive, has been in the hospital for 
the last 3 days. I was scared (as was the local vet) that it was 
FIP or lymphoma. It turns out it is severe pancreatitis and 
ketoacidotic diabetes. She has done better than expected and, if 
she responds ok today to longer-acting twice/day insulin (she has 
been on 4 x/day) she can come home tonight (fingers crossed).  FIP 
can sometimes cause pancreatitis, so it is not definite she does 
not have it, but there are no present indications that she does, 
knock on wood.  The vets warn that it will not be easy to keep her 
well or get her over the pancreatitis or the diabetes, but we are 
going to try our best!  She is eating a little diabetes 
prescription food on her own without vomiting, which the vet says is good.


Would you please forward this to the FeLV list and ask people to 
send her some healing energy and prayers?


Thanks and hope you are well,
Michelle


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Re: the labs are on their way

2007-05-18 Thread Kelly L

At 09:21 AM 5/18/2007, you wrote:

I am nut sure of her address as yet, but i can get it.
thanks
Kelly



Kelly,
Where in Seattle are these kitties going?
More direct location would help.
Seattle is huge and there are many Vets all over.
I'm in WA. and Belinda is too.

In a message dated 5/17/2007 1:57:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
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Well we are still positive, but the rest of the labs look good.
Please, I am still seeking a good vet in Seattle,,
Thanks
kelly


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Re: FIV Testing...

2007-05-18 Thread Kelly L

At 09:37 AM 5/18/2007, you wrote:

Tell them that Vets no longer put down FIV 
positive cats. Most of us mix our pos and neg 
catsClose to impossible to catch...the kitten 
may not be positive, You need to get a place for this baby ASAP..

Kelly



A bit off topic but I know folks here know 
so  much about FIV  FELV..  Someone sent me 
a post about a 7 week old F tortie mix sitting 
at a vet office in Baton Rouge, LA who is 
supposed to be put down tonight or tomorrow 
because she tests pos for FIV…  Apparently the 
vet  the staff are clutching at doing this---my question is
   * Should I ask what test was done­is it same 
setup as for FELV (Elissa then confirming IFA)

   * Isn’t it early to determine whether cat is really FIV pos?

I’m afraid I can’t provide a home for this 
little one but maybe a little info could prolong 
her life until someone is found…


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Re: the labs are on their way

2007-05-18 Thread Kelly L

At 06:00 PM 5/18/2007, you wrote:


Tell me about good FELV vets there...if you can/?
Kelly


   Yes, I'm in Sumner about 20, 25 miles south of Seattle.

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