Re: [Felvtalk] Coco sneezing blood

2016-01-23 Thread Lee Evans
If you are living in a cold and dry area with central heating, sneezing blood, 
especially red, fresh looking blood in no great quantity, would not be unusual. 
That type of heat really dries out the mucous membrane on animals and humans.I 
always get blood when I blow my nose. This is a Winter thing even in relatively 
warm South Texas. If she is eating, drinking, pooping and all the rest of the 
things that healthy cats do, then it's probably a result of the heat, 
especially if she does not have a fever or any signs of other distress.I would 
get a vaporizer to add moisture to the air and see if that helps. The eye 
crusts are most likely oxidized tears. Some cats get that more than others, 
especially white cats who show it more. I usually wet a cotton ball and wipe it 
off gently.  

Also, sneezing is a good sign. You don't want a cat stuffed up and wheezing, 
unable to smell her food. Better out than in. However, if the vet thinks it's 
something more serious than dry air, you should follow whatever instructions he 
gives. Antibiotics are hard on the liver of a health compromised cat.
 

On Friday, January 22, 2016 12:29 AM, Kelley S  wrote:
 
 

 Hey folks
Coco went through a bad time last year where she would not eat, dropped a lot 
of weight.  We got her started eating again and she has gained 1/2 pound - from 
6.0 to 6.5 (she is a small cat, but I'd rather see her at 7).
Anyway, she is now sneezing blood.  I took her in to the vet Saturday and he 
tried one antibiotic, took her back on Wed and he gave her another antibiotic, 
which I am probably going to have to go rebuy tomorrow as I've managed to lose 
the bottle. 
Anyway - she is now sneezing blood and has a very little bit of dried matter in 
the corners of her eyes.  She is eating, drinking, pottying, playing fine.  But 
she is still sneezing blood - sometimes a fine spray and sometimes hunks of 
bloody mucus which is very unnerving. 
Has anyone had to deal with this?
Kelley and Coco
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Re: [Felvtalk] My Harley is gone

2015-05-15 Thread Lee Evans
I am so very sorry that Harley has crossed over so soon. But you did the right 
thing in helping him out of a little body that no longer allowed his spirit to 
enjoy cat pleasures. Be at peace, Harley.
Hugs, Lee
 


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 My sweet little FeLV+ Harley, just barely 5 years old, went to join his 
buddy Milkdud across the Rainbow Bridge today.  There is a pet cremation 
service about an hour from me that does individual cremations, and you 
can arrange to attend if you want to.  I put his catnip heart in with 
him, and a dandelion blossom, covered him with the petals from a red 
rose, and then let some of my tears drop onto him.  I sat with him 
outside in a glider chair until they were ready for him.  The weather 
was nice, and I looked out into a peaceful wooded area.  Only the very 
slightest breeze, so the rose petals didn't blow away.  I carried him 
inside when they were ready, but didn't remain for the process.  I chose 
an urn that looks like a black cat (like Harley) crouching to pounce on 
a mouse.  I may put it in his favorite hunting spot, if it doesn't upset 
Brock (Harley's FeLV+ roommate).

The last several days, Harley could only have broth (tuna juice, the 
juice from Fancy Feast Appetizers, etc.) and he had a difficult time 
getting even that down due to the growth of his cancer.  Rather than 
take the chance of him choking on his broth over the weekend, I took him 
to the vet to help him cross over.  He remained in bed nearly all the 
time the last 3 days, but thanks to his pain meds, he did enjoy some 
pets, tummy rubs, and naps in his last days.

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[Felvtalk] Cat Tested Postive for FeLV

2015-01-18 Thread Lee Evans
I was given this stray by a person with whom I used to do rescue. I am now out 
of the rescue business and have over 30 cats who were not adoptable for one 
reason or another. They are an aging group of cats. Occasionally I would take 
in a FeLv+ cat to see if he or she would turn negative and most of them did. 
The ones who did not went on to people who understood FeLV and were willing to 
give the cat a chance at life. 

Now I do have a problem. With  this white and spotted stray, who has wonderful 
possibilities for being adopted, I do not have an isolation room. Every room in 
my house has some type of regular cat or problem group(one eyed FIV cats and 
cats who were losing weight and need extra nutrition). 

Is there anyone on the list who lives in the San Antonio/Austin area or any 
small town in this area who can foster the white cat to see if he overcomes the 
virus? He has no symptoms except he eats like a pig and is underweight, 
possibly from being an outside stray. I had a foster home for him but they are 
not going to take a leukemia positive cat and my other two homes who do accept 
leukemia  cats are over their limit already with cats who did not turn.
Thanks for any help anyone can give. I do want this lovely little cat to have a 
chance at a good life.
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: arthritis

2014-10-25 Thread Lee Evans
For just pain, you might want to try Buprenex. It's what is given to cats after 
surgery, to keep cats comfortable. Moses, who was very old and suffering from a 
tumor in his ear extended to his mouth was given the injection form to keep him 
comfortable over three days to see if an experimental treatment of an 
anti-biotic and cortisone combination would reduce the tumor. Unfortunately it 
did not but at least Moses was free of pain. He slept most of the three days 
until I could get him back to the vet and have him helped to pass on. However, 
in very small doses, it may help control Kitty's arthritic pain. But I would 
suggest that you ask your vet about the side effects or Google it online. Most 
of the cats I have had on Buprenex were on it short term for spay or neuter 
pain, or for a longer but limited time for pain associated with surgery for 
broken limbs, and various mishaps that occurred with outside cats that I 
rescued. It does make the cats drowsy but
 maybe in small doses it will give Kitty relief from pain without turning her 
into Sleeping Beauty.   



On Friday, October 24, 2014 8:58 AM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 



Hi all,

This has nothing to do with FeLV, but the community is so knowledgeable about 
so many things feline that I wanted to ask. 

I have a friend who has a 16 year old cat with arthritis. The vet had my 
friend feel Kitty’s knees, and one is really knobby and arthritic. Kitty gets 
around just fine, but she’s stiff and has a hard time jumping.

The vet prescribed Metacam. I think the dose is 1.5 mg/ml or .15 mL per day. I 
warned my friend about Metacam, and she started looking into it. She’s now 
reluctant to use it, especially since Kitty had a minor kidney issue in the 
past. 

My friend knows about glucosamine and chondroitin, but these won’t really help 
with the pain. Does anyone know of alternatives for arthritic pain? Has anyone 
used Metacam to treat cats with arthritis? 

Thanks!

Lance
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[Felvtalk] Vanished

2014-10-19 Thread Lee Evans
Looks like a lot of people vanished from the list. Hope this doesn't happen 
again. This is a very important resource for cat rescuers and cat caregivers.
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Re: [Felvtalk] need some help/advice

2014-09-14 Thread Lee Evans
Hi Matt -  I have had several cats who turned from FeLv+ to negative. One who 
turned back to positive after turning to negative passed away very quickly. Odd 
case because my other turned cat lived to be 12 years old. He was about a 
year old when I rescued him, he was positive and then turned negative. Lived a 
pretty long life too, considering he had been a street cat before I got him.  I 
still have one who was both FeLv+ and FIV+. He turned negative for leukemia but 
not for FIV but FIV is not a serious issue around my place. They usually live 
as long as negative cats. 


I was under the impression that cats who are positive for leukemia are not 
supposed to be given cortisone shots or oral cortisone medication. It will 
increase a cat's appetite for a while, but not for long. Cortisone also has a 
bad effect on the cat's kidneys if given regularly. I could not find anything 
current on Facebook although there are a couple of pages for Leukemia positive 
cats but no postings since 2011 and 2012. I don't think you will be getting any 
up to the minute information on those pages.



On Sunday, September 14, 2014 12:12 PM, Matt Pardo mpa...@velocitystorm.com 
wrote:
 



 
Hi everyone, I am new to the list. I have been looking through the archives 
for an answer, but haven’t found it yet. Sorry if this has been answered 
before. 
 
My cat, named Roughy, was a feral cat with FIV and FeLV. I have had him for 
about four years now with only minor infections. However, on Thursday, he 
didn’t eat. On Friday, I took him to the vet. The vet said he was extremely 
anemic…unfortunately, I was too shell shocked to ask for a copy of the lab 
results so I can’t say what that means. He gave him a shot of dexamethasone on 
Friday and gave him fluids. He seemed much better when I took him home. He 
gave me some dex to give him to him. I could have sworn he said one time a 
day, but the label says 2 times per day (every 12 hours). My concern is that I 
am giving him too much dex. The dosage per pill is 0.5 mg which nets to 1 mg 
per 24 hours. Is this ok/normal? This is the first anemia I have experienced 
and I am really worried. Poor Roughy had a really rough night Friday. Last 
night was a bit better, but he still seems to be struggling. I would really 
appreciate it if anyone knows if that dosage is
 ok. Of course, I have tried contacting my vet, but I can’t get him. 
 
Thanks!
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] need some help/advice

2014-09-14 Thread Lee Evans
Roughy needs a transfusion if his breathing is labored. The anemia is getting 
him. Can you take him to a clinic that offers blood-matching transfusions? My 
poor Bunny had labored breathing and progressive anemia towards the end. Her 
bone marrow was not producing any red cells. Maybe you can buy some time for 
Roughy. His bone marrow may still be producing red cells but not in the 
quantity he needs. If he gets a good dose of healthy blood, it will help him 
eat again. You may need to stop the cortisone. You need a second opinion from a 
vet who is up on the latest data regarding feline leukemia. What Roughy may 
have is non-generative anemia but maybe not. He may still be in the stage of 
generating red cells. Have you treated him for fleas? Cats can also get flea 
anemia which responds well to a transfusion.



On Sunday, September 14, 2014 7:14 PM, Matt Pardo mpa...@velocitystorm.com 
wrote:
 



Thanks for the feedback, Lee. We were hoping that Roughy had turned negative 
because we have had him for four years. He is our only FeLV+ cat and he is 
FIV+/FeLV+. I feel like a real idiot for not getting him tested. I should have 
been prepared for this. Right now, I am just praying we get through the 
weekend. His breathing seems so difficult and I know he hasn’t slept very much 
(nor have I). I am reading more about treatments and I am not sure my vet is 
very current on treatments. He is a great vet, but he didn’t present any real 
options. Ugh. 
 
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee 
Evans
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 5:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] need some help/advice
 
Hi Matt -  I have had several cats who turned from FeLv+ to negative. One who 
turned back to positive after turning to negative passed away very quickly. 
Odd case because my other turned cat lived to be 12 years old. He was about 
a year old when I rescued him, he was positive and then turned negative. Lived 
a pretty long life too, considering he had been a street cat before I got him. 
 I still have one who was both FeLv+ and FIV+. He turned negative for leukemia 
but not for FIV but FIV is not a serious issue around my place. They usually 
live as long as negative cats. 
 
I was under the impression that cats who are positive for leukemia are not 
supposed to be given cortisone shots or oral cortisone medication. It will 
increase a cat's appetite for a while, but not for long. Cortisone also has a 
bad effect on the cat's kidneys if given regularly. I could not find anything 
current on Facebook although there are a couple of pages for Leukemia positive 
cats but no postings since 2011 and 2012. I don't think you will be getting 
any up to the minute information on those pages.
 
On Sunday, September 14, 2014 12:12 PM, Matt Pardo mpa...@velocitystorm.com 
wrote:
 
Hi everyone, I am new to the list. I have been looking through the archives 
for an answer, but haven’t found it yet. Sorry if this has been answered 
before. 
 
My cat, named Roughy, was a feral cat with FIV and FeLV. I have had him for 
about four years now with only minor infections. However, on Thursday, he 
didn’t eat. On Friday, I took him to the vet. The vet said he was extremely 
anemic…unfortunately, I was too shell shocked to ask for a copy of the lab 
results so I can’t say what that means. He gave him a shot of dexamethasone 
on Friday and gave him fluids. He seemed much better when I took him home. He 
gave me some dex to give him to him. I could have sworn he said one time a 
day, but the label says 2 times per day (every 12 hours). My concern is that 
I am giving him too much dex. The dosage per pill is 0.5 mg which nets to 1 
mg per 24 hours. Is this ok/normal? This is the first anemia I have 
experienced and I am really worried. Poor Roughy had a really rough night 
Friday. Last night was a bit better, but he still seems to be struggling. I 
would really appreciate it if anyone knows if that dosage
 is ok. Of course, I have tried contacting my vet, but I can’t get him. 
 
Thanks!
 
Matt
 

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[Felvtalk] Vaccinations, Harley, Bats

2014-08-16 Thread Lee Evans
Unfortunately, Yahoo mail is bundling all my mail on one subject and sending 
off thousand word bundles so that they crash into the group mailbox and 
overload it. That's why I'm writing separately without the thread.

Fortunately, I have never had a cat display a bad reaction to the rabies 
vaccination even though it's given at the same time as spay/neuter surgery. 
However, consider that giving vaccinations does overload the immune system at 
least until the cat develops the required immunity. NEVER give anything but the 
rabies vaccination if the cat is going into surgery and spay/neuter is major 
surgery. Think hysterectomy and castration. In humans this would be major 
surgery. It really irks me when people seem to think it's fine to overload a 
cat or dog with a bunch of vaccinations at the same time that they are getting 
surgery and the vets go along with it gleefully because it means more money for 
them. FVRCP is OK for kittens but again, not at the time of spay/neuter surgery 
and not along with the rabies vaccination. And not if they are FeLv+ or FIV+. 
And for all you humans out there, the flu shot is less than useful in 
preventing you from catching flu. It's great
 for the manufacturers of the vaccine though. Made millions for them and it 
might protect against Asian Flu #1 but not against Asian Flu #2 and that's what 
the doctors tell you if you come back complaining that you got the flu anyway. 
Just keep sneezing cats away from your own brood and keep away from sneezing 
and coughing people during flu season. 
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[Felvtalk] Rabies Shots for Harley

2014-08-15 Thread Lee Evans
The regular rabies shot actually lasts up to 3 years for immunity. Is the 
bat still living in the garage with Harley? You should not vaccinate him every 
year. It's not necessary. Not all bats have rabies or carry 
rabies. If there are holes in the garage ceiling or rafters, get someone to 
patch them up because bats do not usually fly in the door. They will go for a 
dark hole high up. I once found a dead bat in my yard, thought the cats had 
killed it and sent the body to rabies control. The bat did not have rabies. 
However, I had all the yard cats re-vaccinated for rabies. At that time, the 
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[Felvtalk] Tested Positive Cat

2014-07-06 Thread Lee Evans
My friend just rescued a young male cat who has tested positive for FeLv. I 
usually foster these cats until they either turn or I keep them and allow them 
to live their lives in a room of their own. The problem now is that I don't 
have a room for fostering FeLv+ cats. My two spare rooms are taken with other 
emergency fosters who will be with me for the rest of their lives. One room has 
three of my own cats who lost a lot of weight due to stress. They don't much 
like being with 20 other cats in the general cat room so I had to isolate the 
Skinny Three and feed them extra. They are making a come back except for Moses. 
I intend to take him to the veterinarian this coming week. He was one of the 
FeLv+ cats who turned negative after a 3 month stay in isolation. He has been 
with me for 7 years now and is probably suffering from old age and other issues 
not related to his former FeLv status. The second foster room is taken with 
one-eyed cats who can't be
 released into my general community because they might get into fights and have 
their remaining eye injured. Fortunately they bonded with each other and enjoy 
the company and food.

What I really need is a foster home for the rescued FeLv+ cat so he will have a 
chance to turn negative. Does anyone know anyone in the vicinity of San 
Antonio, Texas to Austin, Texas who could foster the latest rescue. My friend 
has him at the vet clinic right now but she can't afford to keep him there much 
longer. If you have a friend, relative, anyone you know within a 75 mile radius 
of San Antonio, Texas who might be willing to foster or adopt, please email me 
at moonsiste...@yahoo.com. Thanks.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charlie

2014-06-17 Thread Lee Evans
Hi - Hope you get this message. Stay away from bone marrow biopsies and 
anything else that is invasive. Sounds like Charlie may be trying to fight off 
the leukemia which may have been latent in his body. Many cats, especially 
adult cats do turn from positive to negative. The fact that he had a fever and 
high white count is a sign that his body is doing the right thing to try to 
combat some type of infection. I have had three cats who turned negative. 
Unfortunately, one who was just a year and a half turned back to positive for 
FeLv and then the disease went active. She survived for only two weeks. Poor 
Bunny. But Moses has been negative for about 7 years from the time I rescued 
him and he tested positive. I kept him isolated from the other cats for two 
months and then retested. He was negative and stayed that way. Percy was 
positive for both FeLv and FIV but turned negative for FeLv and is still 
negative after four years. I have also had the misery of
 rescuing two cats who were leukemia positive and never turned negative and 
lasted two  years with me before they went down quickly, all in a couple of 
weeks. If Charlie is still hanging in there, it may either be that he is 
fighting off the infection or fighting off another infection. Tests are not 
going to do much to increase his health. If he is happy and acting normal, 
leave him be for the time being. You can give him 1000mcg of B12 - little pink 
pill crushed into his cat food. It does wonders for cats and humans. I saved 
the life of our office cat, Franny, who lived to be 17 years old after a bout 
of hepatic lipidosis during which she went from 15 pounds to 7 pounds in the 
course of a month. Fortunately, I noticed that all the fur had no substance 
under it and rushed her to the vet where they gave her a 40% chance to live. I 
syringe fed her for a month, mixing the 1000mcg tablet of B-12 with a jar of 
baby food chicken every day as her supplement
 and then a blended can of Iams chicken cat food daily. Lots of work but had a 
live cat afterwards.




On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 3:34 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote:
 






Dear Emily,

          I'm sorry, I'm not getting the emails for some reason, didn't see 
this until it was tagged on dlgegg's answer.

          Have you considered ImmunoRegulin, or Interferon? DMG? I have two 
positive cats on Interferon, and ImmunoRegulin at the Vet's office in case of 
a crash (knock on wood we never need it.)

http://www.felineleukemia.org/ireginfo.html

          I used Zeniquin instead of Baytril when Gribble first crashed, but 
it's the same family. I would continue that, if the Vet is willing.

          NO STEROIDS, please. The last thing you want to do is immune 
suppress an immuno-compromised cat. Since he's doing well, I would start him 
on Interferon and DMG. Can't hurt, might help. Seemed to work for my guys.

Good luck, let us know how it goes. Best to Charlie 

Margo





 Hi everyone,
 
  I'm looking for some help in determining next steps for our cat Charlie.
  We adopted our beloved Charlie three years ago from a shelter. He is now
  about four years old. We found out in December while doing routine tests
  that he has feline leukemia (at the time trying to figure out the cause of
  his IBS- switching his food ended up doing the trick). We were quite
  surprised- at the time the only symptom that matched were his gums were
  relatively inflamed.
 
  At the end of March / beginning of April Charlie became ill. He lost
  weight and became lethargic. He kept eating but needed me to keep bringing
  his food to him in order for him to eat. He underwent different tests- the
  xrays/blood tests showed that his organs were fine. There was however some
  bacteria in his urine and so we thought it might be an infection. He also
  had a slight fever and his white blood cell count was low. We tried him on
  an injectable antibiotic initially which didn't help, but then switched him
  to Baytril to which he has responded really well.
 
  Charlie started to become sick again once he finished his first round of
  Baytril, and so we put him back on the antibiotic. He also underwent more
  tests- this time there was no bacteria in his urine but his white blood
  cell count was still low. Since this time he has stayed on Baytril (we
  tried him on a stronger antibiotic but he couldn't stomach it and so we
  stayed put).
 
  Charlie for the past few weeks has seemed incredibly well. He is vibrant,
  affectionate, and he eats incredibly well (he's even put on a pound).
  However, his white blood cell count is plummeting. He went from a 3.1 on
  April 2nd, to a 2.7 on May 27th, to 1.8 on June 13th.
 
  At this point it seems as though this isn't the result of an infection,
  but the progression of his leukemia. Our vet has presented us with some
  options moving forward but I'm not sure of what we should do.
 
  What's challenging is that he is so happy and vibrant right now. We're
  

Re: [Felvtalk] urgent question on FELV tests/vax

2014-01-12 Thread Lee Evans
I had the same thing happen this past year in October when I moved Bunny, a 
rescue who had turned from positive to negative and had stayed negative for 3 
months after into my home office where two of my other cats reside because one 
of them had an eye infection that needed treatment and then I found that his 
sister was hiding in a kitchen drawer, terrified of the rest of my inside cat 
community. Well, Bunny lived a year with Samson and Delilah. This past October, 
she began acting tired, eating less and sleeping more and no longer pestering 
Samson and Delilah or sleeping with us on the bed. It took a week for me to 
realize that something was very wrong. I took her to the vet and she tested 
positive for FeLv. She passed away less than a week later, in spite of intense 
antibiotic treatment and supportive vitamin injections. I am left with the 
question of did either of the other two cats or both contract the disease? I am 
not going to test because there is
 nothing I can do if they did contract it and I don't have the financial 
resources to pay for tests. I do not vaccinate because I have had the 
experience both with cats and myself that vaccines can do more harm than good. 
Also, I tend to agree with the barn door theory that the vet put out. None of 
the other cats in the other part of the house were exposed, except by me 
walking back and forth. I washed my hands frequently so as not to pass the 
disease around, if that is possible.

I am just going to allow Sam and Dee to live the best quality lives they can 
and hope for the best and longest time they can enjoy their stay on this 
planet. Fortunately, cats do not agonize about illness or death like humans do 
so they are blissfully happy, as was Bunny before the disaster struck. It was a 
blessing that she was not ill for long. She was feeling chipper up until two 
weeks before the FeLv returned and then the downhill slide was quick. I was 
with her the whole time. I did not isolate her
 but kept her in her familiar environment where she slept most of the time in a 
prepared bed on the floor until she slept forever.





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Hi KG

   
         I'm not sure I understand, so bear with me. Is the newly positive cat 
from the colony? If so, what are your plans, depending an the results? How many 
cats are you talking about? I went thru the same dilemma last year, and it was 
not easy. Short version, I talked to my Vet, and did a LOT of research about 
vaccinating and testing. For the group of cats that were living with the 
positive cat, her opinion on vaccinating them was that ship has sailed. 
They'd been together for more than 2 years, so she felt any transmission would 
have already occurred. She did want to test them, but I declined. Couldn't see 
the benefit. Of course, when anyone gets sick, they will be tested, as I now 
handle the +'s differently. They remain separate from the other groups. I have 
added two cats to the group, both were vaccinated, twice, before introduction. 
I would vaccinate twice, 3 weeks apart. I have not found any source that 
indicates that a
 single vaccine in an adult is enough, but that may be a judgment call.

The Snap takes three drops of blood per test, so you need to be able to draw 
blood. Ear nicks probably won't do, unfortunately. 

http://www.drugs.com/vet/snap-combo-felv-ag-fiv-antibody-test-kit.html

The well tests say they can be done with saliva, which might be easier, but I 
have read they are not always as accurate that way.

Assure 
http://www.amazon.com/Synbiotics-ASSURE-Leukemia-Virus-Antigen/dp/B00061MOCU

               Both are available at Revival;

http://www.revivalanimal.com/?ic_location=headeric_name=homelogo

               but may be cheaper elsewhere.

               Has the newly positive cat been re-tested? I'd wait a month and 
test again, at least. False positives can occur. I did vaccinate everyone who 
might come into casual contact, because that was much cheaper  than re-testing 
AND vaccinating.

I wish you the best. I thought I had a houseful of confirmed negative cats, 
and then this. Heartbreaking.

Margo



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Subject: [Felvtalk] urgent question on FELV tests/vax

Seeking advice and best places to shop.

In addition to a small phydically isolated of FELV+ cats, I care for a
large colony of cats.  These are all fixed, all previously tested
negative and mostly adult.  They range from friendly to full feral.
A few were FELV vaccinated a couple years back.

One previously negative diabetic cat has fallen ill and just re-tested
positive, after a host of other tests and treatments over the last two
months.   I don't have the money to test and vax everyone at the vet.
So I am looking for the most cost efficient way to test and vax.

Is it 

Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

2014-01-11 Thread Lee Evans
The problem could be that an infected tooth broke off at the root, covered with 
overgrown gum and is festering inside, causing jaw and lymph problems. She 
definitely needs an antibiotic shot, maybe the Convenia since it would be 
difficult to pill her.

I have older cats with stomatitis but I have never seen them have difficulty 
yawning. Mostly, they drool or have their tongue sticking out a bit. They also 
may shake their head like they have a toothache or paw at their cheek on the 
affected side. 

Has she been checked for salivary gland tumor, ear infection on the side that 
bothers her, thyroid growths? When did you first notice the symptoms and what 
was happening to her or to the environment at the time? Was she fed fresh fish, 
maybe with a stray fish bone? Cooked chicken maybe with a chicken bone splinter?

It has been my experience that some vets just randomly pick the closest and 
quickest matching diagnosis they can find and throw it at you as they take your 
money. Even physicians for humans tend to do this at times if they are puzzled 
and then your cat or you get treated for the absolutely wrong thing while the 
actual situation worsens with time.





On Saturday, December 21, 2013 7:16 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com 
wrote:
 
Read below...


On 12-20, Jennifer Lewis wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 My poor Bryyn is having an awful time. Does anyone have experience with
 severe mouth pain? I've been told by vets that she's too young for
 stomatitis, but she's having a horrific time.
 
 My vet prescribed prednisone, but not only does it not seem to help, we're
 leery of it for the long term and honestly can't afford it.
 
 It seemed to be mostly jaw/lymph related as she would freak when yawning,
 but it's getting worse and I'm beside myself. She also has awful breath
 which makes me think as well it may be stomatitis.
 
 Please help!
 Jen

Jen, I don't believe stomatitis is only a problem in older cats.
Some cats that are quite young have it.  I have delt with it and
it is difficult to deal with.  Vets usually alternate between pred.
and antibiotics, and in worse case scenario all the cats teeth must
be removed, which is quite costly.  Howvever since you mention this
jaw/lymph connection I'd definitely get another opinion. It may not
be her teeth at all.


Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Suzy's Zoo in SC

2014-01-08 Thread Lee Evans
In Arizona, The Hermitage Cat Shelter takes in a few cats whose caregivers 
don't expect to outlive their feline companions. They charge around $1,500 for 
lifetime care.





On Sunday, January 5, 2014 8:10 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 
Never heard of it and I've been researching sanctuarys for years.
Do they have a website?  Make sure they are legitimate and also
charge at least $1,000 UP  (mostly up) per cat as the ones who 
charge to little for the lifetime care of a cat will usually end
up with too many cats and get shut down.

Lorrie


On 01-04, Heather wrote:
 Hello, wondering if anyone has been to or has experience with this 
 sanctuary? A friend may contact them about a kitty she rescued. 
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] euthanized Shallie Marie, yesterday the last of my

2014-01-04 Thread Lee Evans
Sorry for your loss. She had a life that she would not have had if you hadn't 
been there for her. Eventually, it gets less painful. My thoughts are with you.





On Saturday, January 4, 2014 1:53 PM, czadna sacarawicz 
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   * six that tested positive in March 2010.
   * 
   * Thanks for being with us - - lights in the darkness.  I had suspected 
 she was crashing.  Vets thought it was dental . . .   two weeks later.  will 
 leave it there.
   * 
   * Now she joins her intrepid son Isaac, Mama and Luscious, Torie Rose 
 and BreAnne.  

cz
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Re: [Felvtalk] Turning neg. then pos.

2013-12-29 Thread Lee Evans
My veterinarian said that it was probably a false negative. However, HE was the 
one who administered the test and I asked him to do it twice at the time, two 
different tests because I planned to put her in my bedroom with two cats who 
would be in close contact with her. Bunny was a mischief maker and might have 
fought with the cats in main area (around 20 cats there) so I figured I would 
place her where I could watch her. Now I feel that I endangered the lives of 
Samson and his sister Delilah. The odd thing is that Bunny suddenly stopped 
sleeping on the bed with us and began hanging out in the dressing room on the 
garden tub about 3 weeks before she became noticeably ill. That's where the 
food, water and litter box is. I assumed that she got disgusted with Delilah 
always hissing at her. Bunny was the alpha cat though and took over Samson and 
the bed, leaving Delilah to sit on a chair or lounge behind my computer 
monitor. I think that Bunny was already
 not feeling well when she moved away from the other two cats. It took a week 
before I noticed that Bunny was no longer as energetic and mischievous as she 
used to be. She was not trying to destroy the earphones that go with my iPod. 
She was not pulling paper out of my computer printer. Then she was not eating 
as much as she was used to eating. Finally, I could see that she was ill. I 
took her to the vet and asked for a retest. My worst fears were realized. She 
was FeLv+. He tried antibiotics and cortisone, which helped for a few days 
before she again went downhill. She passed away on Oct. 31 while I sat near her 
and talked softly to her about how much I loved her. Samson and Delilah lay on 
the bed. They were quiet except for some soft purring. I still can't stop 
crying. 

I don't know what went wrong. I have two other positive to negative cats.
 Both are doing well. Percy was also FIV+ so he's with my small FIV colony in a 
little house on my property, with a wired in porch so everyone gets to bird 
watch and have fresh air and all are safe. Percy had a really bad mystery 
illness around February of 2013 but antibiotics and eye medication cured it and 
he gained back all the weight he lost. When he became ill, I had him retested 
but he was still negative for FeLv. Moses is old. I've had him for about 7 
years and he was no kitten when I got him. He was about 2 and went from 
positive to negative in 4 months. He has not been ill since although he lost 
some weight because the other cats in the large group didn't allow him to eat 
and he's not an alpha cat. I have him and two other skinny boys in a separate 
feeding room where they get canned food along with the dry. The general 
population does not get canned food. I can't afford it. So Moses has gained 
back some weight as have the other two little
 wimps. All are older
 cats. They get along fine. Every room it seems has another group of special 
needs cats. I will still recommend testing for cats being placed in foster 
homes because I think that Bunny's case was an isolated one. Sometimes a cat 
can test negative at first and then after incubating the virus, will test 
positive. I don't really know. I'm not taking in any more cats. I'm too tired, 
poor and old and I'm going to have to witness the passing of all the cats that 
I live with now. I don't want any extras.





On Wednesday, December 25, 2013 6:18 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com 
wrote:
 
On 12-24, Lee Evans wrote:
 ...   had FeLv. She
 turned negative for a whole year, 
           then suddenly turned  positive. 

Wow Lee, I have never had that happen. My cats have either been
FelV neg. or positive, or positive, later turning turning negative
and staying that way. Do you have any explanation for what happened
with your cat?

Lorrie



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Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear

2013-12-24 Thread Lee Evans
You are doing everything possible. I am visualizing a healthy little Bear for 
Christmas and for the year. Much love to you. I know how you feel. My sweet 
Bunny girl passed on my birthday of this year. Somehow it's more difficult if 
it's on a special day or time of year. But she had FeLv. She turned negative 
for a whole year, then suddenly turned positive. On the other paw, all my FIV+ 
cats seem to live normal, long lives so there's hope for Bear if he can get 
through this crisis. A transfusion is very good. It will give his body a chance 
to turn things around without too much stress on his organs.





On Tuesday, December 24, 2013 6:15 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com 
lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:
 
Turns out it does not look like FIP, looks like hemolytic anemia, where he is 
killing off his own red blood cells, and the vet simply did not keep him on a 
high enough dose of immune-suppressants so he crashed again. Now he is really 
bad. I don't know what his chances are at this point, but I do not think they 
are good, though the vets say he can turn around. He just got a transfusion and 
they are starting him on cyclosporine, a stronger immune suppressant. And 
doxycycline.
 
Please send him prayers. He is FIV+, not FeLV+, though he has had as many 
issues as my FeLV cats did. I got back on this list looking for feline 
interferon, which I don't need, but one thing I know this list is good for is 
prayers. Please pray it's a good Christmas for Bear and he responds well to 
the transfusion and the cyclosporine. 
 
thank you,
Michelle
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite

2013-12-16 Thread Lee Evans
Well, this is the real American Dream, to be able to treat yourself like a fish 
if you haven't any money while those who have money are keeping most of us from 
being treated like humans due to overpricing of medications and very little 
affordable health insurance.  AndI'm off my soap box and back to my litter 
boxes. 





On Monday, December 16, 2013 6:26 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 
I use vet, bird, aquarium antibiotics frequently. They are exactly
the same as human drugs and you save a bundle of money!

Lorrie

On 12-15, Jill Eisenbraun wrote:

 I recently had an abscessed tooth and treated it with aquarium
 antibiotics, the triple sulfa powder you can buy in any aquarium shop.
 Worked like a charm and only cost me $13!
 
 Jill and kitties
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite

2013-12-15 Thread Lee Evans
Probably a good wash with antibacterial soap and a dousing with peroxide will 
hold you until you can get some Augmentin. You should always keep a supply 
around for those times when you can't resist getting between two fighting cats. 
Which I have done numerous times. Then the two attack me, think it's a real 
giggle when I scream and walk away with their tails twined around each other, 
discussing what bad language I use in times of stress.

Usually seeing red streaks coming from the site of the wound is a very bad 
sign. If the swelling persists also, that's not good either. If you know you 
are sensitive to cat saliva, you should wash the bite site off thoroughly, use 
the peroxide. Salt water is antiseptic too so you might want to rinse with 
salted water, then rinse with fresh water, then peroxide. Leave the wound 
exposed to the air.if it's not bleeding profusely. Go the the doctor to get 
your anti-biotic fix.





On Sunday, December 15, 2013 12:50 PM, Gloria gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:
 
Right lol - I'd forgotten that Clavamox is the same stuff (or similar?) to 
Augmentin, just that it's the veterinary form.


-Original Message- 
From: Margo
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 8:37 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite



I'll weigh in with soap and water, betadine flush, topical antibiotic and 
Augmentin (tho it's usually the Clavamox form I have around) or Cephalexin.

Margo


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From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
Sent: Dec 14, 2013 11:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite

Just had to add my 2 cents.  Lance, I always prefer Augmentin, and it's 
always worked well for me.  I usually clean the bite with cold water and 
hydrogen peroxide, and if I see the red lines creeping up my hand and arm, 
I head for the doctor (started to say vet) and get some Augmentin. One 
tried to give me something else, I forget what, but it irritated my 
sensitive tummy and I went back for Augmentin.  Fortunately haven't had a 
bite in a long time :)

Glad yours is doing well.

Gloria



On Dec 14, 2013, at 7:56 PM, Christiane Biagi wrote:

 Listen, I had one cat, the late great Little Boy, who bit me twice over 
 the
 years and each time I had to spend the night in the hospital for iv
 antibiotics.  Thing is some cats have this bacteria in their mouth
 (Pasteurella multocida) and he was one of them.  If that bacteria gets 
 into
 your bloodstream, it can quickly lead to sepsis.  He was the only cat I 
 had
 who had that bugger and he was sweet as pie but a bite was a bad thing.
 Look for a red line going u your arm...if you start seeing it--go to 
 eroom
 as you want to stop infection from hitting lymph nodes and causing 
 sepsis.

 -Original Message-
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 Lance
 Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 7:08 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: cat bite

 Hi everyone,

 During play, one of our cats bit me earlier today. I tried to get to an
 urgent care clinic, but they decided to stop seeing people at 4:30 pm.
 despite listing hours as 9-5. Real nice. ;-)

 Anyway, I'm wondering how worried I should be. A lovely pic of the bite 
 can
 be seen here:

 https://www.evernote.com/shard/s201/sh/fc76bb30-31ff-40ed-80b1-4f499d5461e4/
 4adec821f3519913f482848c4c5f730b

 It seems much more superficial and scratchy rather than being a deep
 puncture wound, and FYI, you're looking at my right arm about two inches
 above my elbow.

 We have doxycycline in the house, but the last time I was bitten, I took
 augmentin. Would prefer to do that, but I'm out of luck for the night,
 unless I feel like a high-costing trip to the ER (I'm currently
 inusrance-less, as luck would have it).

 Has anyone used doxy for cat bites? What symptoms around the bite should 
 I
 be looking for that indicate its seriousness? I can get in to the urgent
 clinic tomorrow morning at 9, and the bite happened this afternoon at 
 3:45.
 Hopefully that gives me a little time. I know that none of you are MDs
 (well, I don't know that for sure), but would appreciate input.

 Thanks,

 Lance
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Re: [Felvtalk] on another note...

2013-12-15 Thread Lee Evans
With Callie's weird stools, I don't feel it would be lymphoma. More likely, if 
it happens on a schedule, as you said every few weeks, it's environmental. Does 
your mom have the house cleaned with something that Callie could inhale or 
ingest? Does she buy different cat foods for the cats? Maybe run out of one cat 
food, buy another every few weeks? Check out things like that.

Well, I'm not a big fan of testing any more. My poor Bunny was tested when she 
was brought to me and was positive for FeLv. I kept her more than the required 
time, retested and she was negative. We all cheered. She lived with me a little 
under a year from then. She came as an 8 month old teen, was spayed and given 
the rabies vaccine. Stayed healthy after her retest until October of this year. 
Then she just faded. She stopped playing, stopped being a silly nuisance to 
Delilah and Samson and finally stopped eating. I took her to the vet because I 
noticed her gums looked pale. Not flea anemia. He retested her and she was 
positive for FeLv. He explained that maybe the first test was a false negative 
or maybe the virus was lurking in the bone marrow as well as the regular place 
in the blood. He gave her a vitamin shot, gave her anti-biotic shot and she 
seemed to rally for a couple of days, ate a bit, then on Oct. 31 she just lay 
down in the bed I made for her
 on the floor and passed away. So, tests are just that - tests but they are not 
crystal balls and can't predict what will happen to a cat in the future when it 
comes to FeLv. Bunny would have been two years old in April, 2014. On the other 
hand, Moses, who overcame the positive FeLv diagnosis and turned negative, is 
still with me after 7 years.





On Sunday, December 15, 2013 5:10 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 
The bite seems to be about the same as it was yesterday, though maybe a little 
less red where the actual teeth penetration occurred. Fortunately, no pink 
lines are other odd marks have showed up near the wound. I didn’t go to the 
clinic, since things look like they’re doing well. My health has been a little 
funky for the last six months, but I feel like my immune system is in 
reasonably good shape. 

Anyway, some of you may remember that my FeLV+ (Ember) probably bit an FeLV- 
(Callie) who hasn’t been vaccinated since her kitten days seven years ago. 
Callie, who was almost definitely FeLV- before this encounter, tested negative 
at 37 days post-exposure, but she wasn’t retested at the usual 90 day mark. 
She’s my mom’s cat, and my mom is reluctant to test. I think she just doesn’t 
want to know. While I understand that, the anxiety from not knowing 
occasionally really gets to me, and there are things we could do for Callie to 
prolong her life, despite what my parents seem to think.

Callie has had bouts of diarrhea since the encounter. I don’t know if she had 
anything like this before it, as I didn’t really pay close attention to that 
aspect of her life. She had frequent runny poops in June and July (around the 
time of the negative FeLV test), then the frequency went down, **as far as I 
know and have been told**. 

Since around August, the runny poops hit daily for one to three days every 
three to four weeks. Again, this is from what I can gather. Earlier today, 
Callie had a normal poop, but in the same bowel movement, there was some 
watery stool on top of the normal stuff. If she’s positive, what could this 
be, other than lymphoma? If she ISN’T positive, then what might this be? Very 
odd that it happens every few weeks.


Thanks,

Lance
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Re: [Felvtalk] Topical Flea Control

2013-12-04 Thread Lee Evans
Food grade diatomaceous earth is just that - food grade. No tiny pieces. It's 
as fine as talcum powder and I have used it on my enclosure floors in my 
outside cat sanctuary with excellent results and no problems with either my 
breathing or any of my cats, including the older cats. But it must say food 
grade on the bag. Mine shows a picture of a cow. It's used as a calcium 
supplement in livestock.





On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 9:17 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
I think there are Super Fleas in Texas this year. I treated my fur kids with 
Frontline Plus and they just kept on scratching. Next is to wash, vacuum 
floors, change the covers on their sleeping places again and treat the floor 
with the diamatom earth and see what happens. I'm going to rub a little on one 
of the cats and see if the scratching stops. My outdoor cats don't seem to have 
this problem.






On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 1:19 PM, gbl...@aristotle.net 
gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:
 
Right I've heard bad things about Advantage Multi. 

Gloria

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 On Nov 27, 2013, at 11:19 AM, trustinhi...@charter.net wrote:
 
 You don't have to put the full dose on the kitty to get some results. I 
 also use program on some of my cats that I cannot put a topical on. Foster 
 and Smith carries Program and you can order it online. I go to their outlet 
 store in Rhinelander, WI and get it for a reduced price when some packages 
 are damaged. I wouldn't do advantage
 multi...very strong. But I have used Revolution and Frontline in the past with 
good results. I also vacuum with regular table salt and/or baking soda on the 
carpets...kills the luittle buggers cause their eggs dry up. Just apply a 
little salt/baking soda, wait 30 minutes and vacuum. Carolyn
 
 
 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Tracey Shrout wrote:
 
 I use program suspension, and have used it for many years with excellent
 results. They do not make it here in the US anymore, it comes from the UK,
 and I get it from amazon.  It is one of the least toxic flea treatments
 available, and that's why I use it.  It's a creamy substance that you mix
 in their food.  I have 6 cats, and they eat it willingly...no problems.
 I've heard they shut down the plant here in the US because of cleanliness.
 I would never put a topical on a felv+ cat.  Be sure to change bedding
 daily or at least every other day and vacuum like crazy.  You could also
 look into the food grade diatomaceous earth...it takes some time and effort
 to work though.  Good luck...Tracey
 
 
 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Michelle B teals...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 I am having a crazy hard time keeping fleas off of my FeLV foster. I do
 flea comb at least once a day and keep everything very clean but they 
 won't
 go away. I hate the thought of putting a topical on her because her nodes
 are huge and her immune sytem is already compromised but I know these 
 fleas
 are no good either. I have no idea how they can still be on her because I
 have been so aggressive.
 
 Has anyone researched topicals for + cats? Like are there any that are
 'safer' than others? I was thinking of trying Revolution on herthat 
 way
 it it will keep away fleas, ticks, earmites, etc. Thoughts? She is 7 
 months
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Re: [Felvtalk] Topical Flea Control

2013-12-03 Thread Lee Evans
I think there are Super Fleas in Texas this year. I treated my fur kids with 
Frontline Plus and they just kept on scratching. Next is to wash, vacuum 
floors, change the covers on their sleeping places again and treat the floor 
with the diamatom earth and see what happens. I'm going to rub a little on one 
of the cats and see if the scratching stops. My outdoor cats don't seem to have 
this problem.





On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 1:19 PM, gbl...@aristotle.net 
gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:
 
Right I've heard bad things about Advantage Multi. 

Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

 On Nov 27, 2013, at 11:19 AM, trustinhi...@charter.net wrote:
 
 You don't have to put the full dose on the kitty to get some results. I also 
 use program on some of my cats that I cannot put a topical on. Foster and 
 Smith carries Program and you can order it online. I go to their outlet 
 store in Rhinelander, WI and get it for a reduced price when some packages 
 are damaged. I wouldn't do advantage multi...very strong. But I have used 
 Revolution and Frontline in the past with good results. I also vacuum with 
 regular table salt and/or baking soda on the carpets...kills the luittle 
 buggers cause their eggs dry up. Just apply a little salt/baking soda, wait 
 30 minutes and vacuum. Carolyn
 
 
 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Tracey Shrout wrote:
 
 I use program suspension, and have used it for many years with excellent
 results. They do not make it here in the US anymore, it comes from the UK,
 and I get it from amazon.  It is one of the least toxic flea treatments
 available, and that's why I use it.  It's a creamy substance that you mix
 in their food.  I have 6 cats, and they eat it willingly...no problems.
 I've heard they shut down the plant here in the US because of cleanliness.
 I would never put a topical on a felv+ cat.  Be sure to change bedding
 daily or at least every other day and vacuum like crazy.  You could also
 look into the food grade diatomaceous earth...it takes some time and effort
 to work though.  Good luck...Tracey
 
 
 On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Michelle B teals...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 I am having a crazy hard time keeping fleas off of my FeLV foster. I do
 flea comb at least once a day and keep everything very clean but they won't
 go away. I hate the thought of putting a topical on her because her nodes
 are huge and her immune sytem is already compromised but I know these fleas
 are no good either. I have no idea how they can still be on her because I
 have been so aggressive.
 
 Has anyone researched topicals for + cats? Like are there any that are
 'safer' than others? I was thinking of trying Revolution on herthat way
 it it will keep away fleas, ticks, earmites, etc. Thoughts? She is 7 months
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Re: [Felvtalk] Topical Flea Control

2013-11-26 Thread Lee Evans
I would cautiously use diatomaceous earth, food grade type, rubbing it into her 
fur. It's basically a calcium supplement for cattle but it kills fleas 
instantly by drying out their soft underside. I would also spread it in 
carpets, her bedding, and sweep it over all floors where she has access. You 
can vacuum it up if you like but I usually simply leave a thin layer on. But DO 
comb it out of her fur after you leave it there about 10 minutes so her skin 
won't get dry.  I stopped a zillion fleas dead in their tracks in my small cat 
sanctuary (large shed with outside enclosure) by spreading this over the 
floors. Nothing else helped and I was polka dot fleas from ankle to waist every 
time I went in there even though I had treated the cats with Frontline Plus. 
Along came a friend and brought me 12 pounds of the Diatom-Earth and bye-bye 
fleas overnight. Be careful not to get it into her eyes or up her nose and 
don't you inhale it either. It's a very fine
 powder and NEVER use the regular type of diatomaceous earth. Only use the food 
grade and don't fluff it around. Spread it gently and thinly.





On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:49 PM, Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
I use program suspension, and have used it for many years with excellent 
results. They do not make it here in the US anymore, it comes from the UK, and 
I get it from amazon.  It is one of the least toxic flea treatments available, 
and that's why I use it.  It's a creamy substance that you mix in their food.  
I have 6 cats, and they eat it willingly...no problems. I've heard they shut 
down the plant here in the US because of cleanliness.  I would never put a 
topical on a felv+ cat.  Be sure to change bedding daily or at least every 
other day and vacuum like crazy.  You could also look into the food grade 
diatomaceous earth...it takes some time and effort to work though.  Good 
luck...Tracey



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I am having a crazy hard time keeping fleas off of my FeLV foster. I do flea 
comb at least once a day and keep everything very clean but they won't go 
away. I hate the thought of putting a topical on her because her nodes are 
huge and her immune sytem is already compromised but I know these fleas are no 
good either. I have no idea how they can still be on her because I have been 
so aggressive.

Has anyone researched topicals for + cats? Like are there any that are 
'safer' than others? I was thinking of trying Revolution on herthat way 
it it will keep away fleas, ticks, earmites, etc. Thoughts? She is 7 months 
old and healthy considering.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV?

2013-11-10 Thread Lee Evans
Have you had a check-up on his heart. Sometimes coughing is due to mild cardiac 
problems. Otherwise, do you use anything scented like laundry detergent. I 
always use free/clear because I don't like to breathe chemicals along with my 
blankets. Rug cleaning, change of dish detergent, anything that would add some 
sort of fumes to the air might be a problem for any cat, not only FeLv+. Cough 
can also be due to spasm in throat. Maybe he eats too fast or too much at a 
time. or something that sort of sticks in his throat. I get a spasm from eating 
certain foods, like bread or potatoes.





On Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:19 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 
+1 for Feline Pine.

On Nov 10, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi Tina -

SWeat Scoop also harden to a cement-like texture that is horribly difficult 
to get out . I had to take a hammer to it.
You might want to try Feline Pine. Some cats don't like the texture, but it 
doesn't have the dust. Also World's Best (corn based) or the new Blue Buffalo 
(Walnut Based). My cats  I like the BB best. 
I also if your litter box is covered, but that can cause asthmatic problems.

Beth



 
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 From: Tina Smith mit...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 9:56 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV?
 


Hi all,


I have an FeLV+ kitty.  He has been mostly healthy but is currently going 
through something that is causing a lot of coughing.  We have noticed that he 
seems sensitive to the drier air of winter and perhaps has some environmental 
allergies.  In addition to other things we are doing I am trying to find a 
dust-free cat litter for him.  Last night I spent a small fortune on 
SWheatScoop litter and was appalled to see all of the dust that went flying 
when we put it in his litter pan.  So much for dust-free.  Has anyone here 
had luck finding a litter that is good to use for our FeLV+ sweeties?


I'll also tell you a little more about what he's going through in case 
anybody has some insight into what might be causing it.  The vet wasn't 
helpful.  Just gave him a Convenia antibiotic injection but couldn't say what 
the problem might be except possibly pleural effusion.  Darwin is coughing a 
lot - a little like the hairball cough but not exactly.  He seems to be 
breathing mostly okay through his nose, although I have noticed occasionally 
that there does seem to be a little congestion.  There has been no open-mouth 
breathing.  He had a bout of diarrhea for a couple of days this past week but 
seemed to get over that.  Now I think he might actually be constipated.  When 
he coughs nothing comes out but he does swallow as if he has coughed a little 
something up and then swallows it. I have almost wondered if he might have an 
obstruction but it does seem to be affecting his breathing some.  I haven't 
been able to pinpoint any triggers.  He
 has coughed after drinking water, he has coughed when the heat was on, he has 
coughed right after using the litter box.  But he has also coughed when he's 
just resting on the bed and nothing is going on.


Any insight would be so welcome.


Thank you,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV?

2013-11-10 Thread Lee Evans
Feline does not have dust when pouring but it turns into a find yellow powder 
after it breaks down. It's nice and inexpensive where I am because I get pine 
pellets from a local feed store at $6 for 40#. But it takes a lot of sweeping 
up after it's used for a while.





On Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:05 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
Hi Tina -

SWeat Scoop also harden to a cement-like texture that is horribly difficult to 
get out . I had to take a hammer to it.
You might want to try Feline Pine. Some cats don't like the texture, but it 
doesn't have the dust. Also World's Best (corn based) or the new Blue Buffalo 
(Walnut Based). My cats  I like the BB best. 
I also if your litter box is covered, but that can cause asthmatic problems.

Beth



 
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 From: Tina Smith mit...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 9:56 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV?
 


Hi all,


I have an FeLV+ kitty.  He has been mostly healthy but is currently going 
through something that is causing a lot of coughing.  We have noticed that he 
seems sensitive to the drier air of winter and perhaps has some environmental 
allergies.  In addition to other things we are doing I am trying to find a 
dust-free cat litter for him.  Last night I spent a small fortune on 
SWheatScoop litter and was appalled to see all of the dust that went flying 
when we put it in his litter pan.  So much for dust-free.  Has anyone here had 
luck finding a litter that is good to use for our FeLV+ sweeties?


I'll also tell you a little more about what he's going through in case anybody 
has some insight into what might be causing it.  The vet wasn't helpful.  Just 
gave him a Convenia antibiotic injection but couldn't say what the problem 
might be except possibly pleural effusion.  Darwin is coughing a lot - a 
little like the hairball cough but not exactly.  He seems to be breathing 
mostly okay through his nose, although I have noticed occasionally that there 
does seem to be a little congestion.  There has been no open-mouth breathing.  
He had a bout of diarrhea for a couple of days this past week but seemed to 
get over that.  Now I think he might actually be constipated.  When he coughs 
nothing comes out but he does swallow as if he has coughed a little something 
up and then swallows it. I have almost wondered if he might have an 
obstruction but it does seem to be affecting his breathing some.  I haven't 
been able to pinpoint any triggers.  He
 has coughed after drinking water, he has coughed when the heat was on, he has 
coughed right after using the litter box.  But he has also coughed when he's 
just resting on the bed and nothing is going on.


Any insight would be so welcome.


Thank you,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV?

2013-11-10 Thread Lee Evans
I'm not very enthusiastic about clumping litter. If you use it properly, you 
have to use the whole darn bag to get it to clump properly and not turn into a 
cement block because you did not use enough. If you use the whole bag, it's 
very expensive because when you scoop the clumps, the litter MUST be replaced, 
again to get it to clump properly and not glue itself to the litter box. If you 
replace it you spend more money. If you use the generic store brand, you get 40 
pound clumps that eventually bond together and need to be disposed of in an 
industrial waste dump. LOL. Not everything that is advertised is really as 
magical as it seems to be.





On , Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
Have you had a check-up on his heart. Sometimes coughing is due to mild cardiac 
problems. Otherwise, do you use anything scented like laundry detergent. I 
always use free/clear because I don't like to breathe chemicals along with my 
blankets. Rug cleaning, change of dish detergent, anything that would add some 
sort of fumes to the air might be a problem for any cat, not only FeLv+. Cough 
can also be due to spasm in throat. Maybe he eats too fast or too much at a 
time. or something that sort of sticks in his throat. I get a spasm from eating 
certain foods, like bread or potatoes.






On Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:19 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 
+1 for Feline Pine.

On Nov 10, 2013, at 2:05 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi Tina -

SWeat Scoop also harden to a cement-like texture that is horribly difficult 
to get out . I had to take a hammer to it.
You might want to try Feline Pine. Some cats don't like the texture, but it 
doesn't have the dust. Also World's Best (corn based) or the new Blue 
Buffalo (Walnut Based). My cats  I like the BB best. 
I also if your litter box is covered, but that can cause asthmatic problems.

Beth



 
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 From: Tina Smith mit...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 9:56 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV?
 


Hi all,


I have an FeLV+ kitty.  He has been mostly healthy but is currently going 
through something that is causing a lot of coughing.  We have noticed that 
he seems sensitive to the drier air of winter and perhaps has some 
environmental allergies.  In addition to other things we are doing I am 
trying to find a dust-free cat litter for him.  Last night I spent a small 
fortune on SWheatScoop litter and was appalled to see all of the dust that 
went flying when we put it in his litter pan.  So much for dust-free.  Has 
anyone here had luck finding a litter that is good to use for our FeLV+ 
sweeties?


I'll also tell you a little more about what he's going through in case 
anybody has some insight into what might be causing it.  The vet wasn't 
helpful.  Just gave him a Convenia antibiotic injection but couldn't say 
what the problem might be except possibly pleural effusion.  Darwin is 
coughing a lot - a little like the hairball cough but not exactly.  He 
seems to be breathing mostly okay through his nose, although I have noticed 
occasionally that there does seem to be a little congestion.  There has been 
no open-mouth breathing.  He had a bout of diarrhea for a couple of days 
this past week but seemed to get over that.  Now I think he might actually 
be constipated.  When he coughs nothing comes out but he does swallow as if 
he has coughed a little something up and then swallows it. I have almost 
wondered if he might have an obstruction but it does seem to be affecting 
his breathing some.  I haven't been able to pinpoint any triggers.  He
 has coughed after drinking water, he has coughed when the heat was on, he has 
coughed right after using the litter box.  But he has also coughed when he's 
just resting on the bed and nothing is going on.


Any insight would be so welcome.


Thank you,
Tina Smith




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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV and Fleas??

2013-11-04 Thread Lee Evans
Haemobartonella fellis is transmitted by fleas, not FeLv. You can Google 
Haemobartonella and find out about it. That's why it's recommended that you 
treat all current cats for fleas with Frontline Plus or other flea product if 
you intend to bring a new cat/kitten into the house. The fleas actually carry 
the haemobart parasitic bacteria and when biting a cat, inject it. FeLv is a 
retrovirus mostly contagious through strong contact cat to cat. Even then, one 
cat may have a strong enough immune system not to get the disease.





On Monday, November 4, 2013 1:52 PM, Michelle B teals...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 
Hi guys,

I am pretty familiar with FeLV but heard something that is alarming and am 
hoping there is someone that can give feedback on this. 

Our rescue took in a nursing mother cat and her two kittens and a 5 month old 
kitten, unrelated, at the same time. These cats were in the same quarantine 
room but in separate holding pens (having no direct contact with each other). 
The 5 month kitten tested strong positive for FeLV and does have very large 
nodes. She also had a bad case of fleas. 

I read that FeLV can be transmitted through fleas - has anyone done research, 
or spoken with a well qualified veterinarian about this?

The mother cat and her kittens have not shown any evidence of fleas or fleas 
dirt but I am still concerned about this potential for transmission, 
especially since they are newborns.



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[Felvtalk] Bunny Passed Away This Evening

2013-10-31 Thread Lee Evans
She came to me two and a half years ago when she was around 9 months old. She 
had been abandoned at an apartment complex, rescued but then tested FeLv+. She 
was brought to me to see if she would turn negative. She did! I kept her anyway 
because she had a few bad habits, like biting my fingers when I was sleeping 
and trying to tear apart my iPod headphones. She was very mischievous. I named 
her Bunny because she was brought to me on Easter Sunday.  She has lived with 
me and two other cats in my bedroom/home office since that Easter in 2011. 
About two weeks ago I noticed a change in her behavior. She no longer pestered 
Delilah, the resident female cat in the room and she seemed to lose interest in 
sleeping on the bed with me and Samson and Delilah (the two other cats in the 
room). However she was eating normally and nothing else seemed out of place. I 
assumed that it was the change in the weather from very hot to nice, cool 
evenings and then to rain. On
 Saturday of last week she seemed lethargic. She was not eating her usual 
amount of food and not drinking her usual amount of water. I checked her gums 
to see if it might be stomatitis or some bad tooth upsetting her but her gums 
were very pale and so was her tongue. I immediately thought it was flea anemia. 
I took her to the vet on Tuesday because Monday is usually very busy with dogs 
there. She was more lethargic and depressed by then and her appetite had all 
but disappeared. She was still drinking water. She had no fleas so I asked the 
vet to re-test her for FeLv. Sure enough, she was positive. She had all the 
classic symptoms of active FeLv. I was heart broken but still, I asked him to 
give her some meds to make her more comfortable and perhaps get back her 
appetite. He gave her cortisone. Today, she was no better. She just lay on her 
towel and couldn't make it to the litter box although it was just a few steps 
away. I took her in again and he gave
 her some fluids, not too much because he said it would make her even more 
anemic. He gave her a little more cortisone to try to kick start her appetite. 
I had been syringe feeding her by then. He also gave her a small dose of 
Convenia and some B-complex but nothing helped. She passed several hours after 
the vet visit. I probably should have had him help her pass but I just didn't 
want to give up hope. 


There is a question here, in all this upsetting dialog. My other two cats who 
slept with me and Bunny and groomed each other, ate with each other, drank and 
used the same litter box are around 7 years old. The vet told me that once they 
are into adulthood, they are not as likely to get FeLv as they would if they 
were under 2 years old. Is this true? I will have them tested in about 3 weeks 
anyway to see what happened, if anything. Also, has anyone had the experience 
of a young cat throwing off the virus and turning negative, then turning 
positive again after a year, or was that second test after I had held her in 
isolation for 4 months a false negative?

Right now I'm fostering a kitten who has tested negative for FIV/FeLv. She is 
several rooms away from where Bunny has lived. They never came in contact with 
each other but I have walked from my bedroom into the kitten's room to feed, 
clean, etc.. Did I put her at risk?

This is desperately upsetting. I have decided not to take in any more fosters 
with FeLv. I have never had this happen before. Most of my turned cats are 
still with me and are well into several years of adulthood. I usually don't 
have good results with getting turned cats adopted because most people don't 
want the possibility that the cat is harboring the disease. Maybe Bunny had it 
in her bone marrow and tested negative on the regular SNAP test. I should have 
tested with the IFA also but don't have much money to spare. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(

2013-10-10 Thread Lee Evans
Using a feeding syringe (3cc syringe) is better than stuffing pate in her 
mouth. You have to blend the pate with some soup (not with onion though) until 
it's like very thick cream and give her about a half syringe at a time. Towel 
on lap, tissue box nearby at hand, cat on lap, soft loving talk to cat, syringe 
at corner of mouth is how I syringe feed my cats during illness. Be sure to 
wipe her mouth frequently and do the feeding slowly. It may take almost a half 
hour but if you do it with loving murmurs, she will feel that she is spending 
quality time with you instead of having food stuffed into her mouth. Feeding 
tubes are invasive and uncomfortable for cats and should be a last resort. I 
usually use Hills A/D as it's a very soft pate made for syringe feeding ill 
cats. You buy it at the vet clinic. Get about 5 cans as you will be throwing 
away left overs that have already been blended. Try to get a half a can at a 
time into her. Once you syringe feed for
 a short time, their regular appetite takes over. Also, I would recommend you 
ask your vet about a antibiotic injection instead of pills or liquid.




On Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:01 AM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net 
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Hi Jennifer,
   Well, I think she will need some help. I am surprised 
that a Vet allowed a dehydrated cat to leave without doing something about 
it, so I'd call and ask why. It's good that she is drinking, but it is 
impossible to correct clinical dehydration orally, she must have either IV or 
sub-q fluids. That alone MAY be enough (combined with the B-12) to start her 
eating again, it can be miraculous. If you don't want to try the Clavamox, 
then take her (what is her name?) in and request sub-q fluids (and have them 
show you how to do it at home) and ask about Convenia, a long-lasting 
injectable antibiotic. I don't generally recommend it, but it's better than 
nothing, and less stressful for both of you. Explain that medicating orally 
seems too stressful. You could ask about appetite stimulants, but they need 
to be given by mouth as well, so maybe you don't want to try. 
   Much depends on how far you want to go. Sub-q's and 
assist feedings aren't difficult to do, but you may not have the time to give 
to this. I would say, even if you decide not to continue long-term care, get 
to the Vet (or another of you don't want to go back there) TODAY for sub-q or 
IV fluids, and see if that helps.. If you have to work, most Vets will allow 
drop-off. 
   Please help her by getting the dehydration resolved. 
She feels totally lousy, and of course doesn't want to eat, or move. At least 
she will feel better, and that's critical, whatever course you elect to 
follow.
All the best,
Margo
-Original Message- 
From: Jennifer Ballew 
Sent: Oct 9, 2013 9:40 PM 
To: felvtalk 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(  


They took her temp yesterday and no fever.  She's not showing any outward 
signs of infection, so that's good I guess.  I'm just wondering if she's 
going to be able to pull out of this.  :-(
Jennifer
On Oct 9, 2013 8:27 PM, moonsister22 moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

Regular cats can also have those symptoms. The B12 shot is good. Does she 
have a fever? Many doctors completely neglect the simple task of taking the 
cat's temperature. An antibiotic injection might be of benefit. My hard and 
fast rule is to think simple first. My FIV positive cat had a lump on his 
back. It was diagnosed as probably a malignant tumor. I suggested it was a 
non-malignant fatty tumor. Three years later Mr. Snowy is still fat and going 
strong and the tumor has absorbed. Maybe it's luck and they will use up the 
last of their nine lives eventually but until then start off simple but 
cautious and do always take to vet but listen with both ears open and your 
brain cells on high alert.

Hugs and blessings to you and the fur kids.

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 Hey all-


 This is the first time I have posted to the forum.  I have two FeLV 
 positive cats, one two and one three years old.  The older cat has never 
 had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently 
 started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her.  Just 
 within the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating 
 (and only drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she 
 seems very unsteady and wobbly.  I took her to the vet yesterday; they 
 checked her blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were 
 elevated.  They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably 
 related to possibly being dehydrated.  They gave her a B12 shot and I took 
 her home.  I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her 
 through any unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful 
 procedures and that I would 

[Felvtalk] Anyone Home?

2013-10-07 Thread Lee Evans
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Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home?

2013-10-07 Thread Lee Evans
Thanks. I had some trouble with my Yahoo mail so thought maybe I had been 
scrubbed from the group. Maybe no news is good news.






 From: kat merrykatme...@email.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home?
 


I'm here - tho I mainly just lurk these days..

It has been quiet.

Kat (Mew Jersey)
 
 
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home? 
I haven't received any messages from the group in over two weeks! Yahoo was 
sending back my messages with the information that the address no longer 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

2013-09-26 Thread Lee Evans
What I meant is that I don't mix leukemia positive cats into my general group 
as I would an FIV positive cat with a marshmallow personality who does not 
fight, not an alpha cat type. I did have two feline leukemia positive cats for 
over two years. They lived together in a separate room with each other. They 
were perfectly healthy for those two years, then suddenly turned symptomatic. 
One passed away quickly from what the vet diagnosed as bone marrow cancer. The 
other simply lost weight uncontrollably and followed his buddy over the edge. 
He probably also had bone marrow cancer or lymphoma. Those are the most likely 
two illness that kill the leukemia positive cats when the disease goes active. 
I also found a wonderful  person who had had losses from feline leukemia but 
was willing to go through the heartbreak again just to give a cat a chance at 
life. One of the cats I gave to her passed away in two years. The second one I 
begged her to take ( I think
 she was ready to shoot me when phoned to ask if she would foster another FeLv+ 
cat) is still living the life of luxury with her. It has been 6 years and 
counting so far. Keeping all fingers and paws crossed.






 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 

Hi,
Thanks for describing your cats' histories.
Can you explain what you mean in the last few sentences of your posting?  
 However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular group. 
 Right now all the cats who are with me are either negative or turned. 

Shelley


On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Lee Evans wrote:

 
 
 From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 
 You are a good, caring and compassionate person. I don't feel that FeLv is 
 as contagious as vets try to panic us into thinking. I had two cats mixed in 
 with 8 others. They all lived together in cat harmony for many years, 
 grooming each other, eating, drinking together and using the same litter 
 boxes. They lived in love and happiness. Then Tiger and Twerp became ill. 
 They were very old, around 15 years. I had had them tested twice throughout 
 their lifetime when each had come down with a very stubborn URI. But they 
 had tested negative both times. At the end of their days, I had them tested 
 again to see if they were not suffering from old age but from something I 
 could possibly treat. Along with the fact that they both had renal failure, 
 they both tested positive for FeLv. Probably, the virus was dormant in the 
 bone marrow all those years but when their immune system began to break down 
 and their kidneys were failing, the virus took hold also. They
 passed away quietly within hours of each other. The other 8 cats who had been 
living with them tested negative for everything and all died of old age and 
renal failure. I don't know when Tiger and Twerp became actively FeLv+ but it 
doesn't matter. It shows that even with such close interaction, the cats that 
did not test positive still did not test positive. However, I do not mix 
positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular group. Right now all the cats who 
are with me are either negative or turned. However, I do have a few little 
marshmallows who are FIV+ mixed into the group because they don't fight. I also 
have a small FIV shelter, a detached building of one large room and a 
wire-enclosed porch for four FIV+ cats who have a bit of an attitude and are 
not to be trusted to keep a friendly discussion friendly.
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

2013-09-24 Thread Lee Evans
I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in about 2 
months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or may not have 
been actually positive. Since their immune system is not fully developed, they 
might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. Too bad about the idiot vet 
who gave the adopters such ridiculously incorrect advice. Keep the kittens for 
another 4 weeks, then re-test. You really should find them a home with a person 
who understands that a positive test does not mean the kitten should be killed. 
If they are still looking and feeling well, let them live. A home with no other 
cats or with cat-friendly dog is the best for this type of kitten.






 From: Betheny Laubenthal bailleyspetc...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:04 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 


What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can be done so 
that it is accurate?  I know that if it is done early on, it can be inaccurate.
The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July 16.  We 
did not test.  I don't like testing before 16 weeks.  We pulled the kitten and 
her sister from another state.  Mom was in a high kill shelter.  She was PTS 
before we could rescue her.  The rest of the litter was PTS.  Miles and 
Journey were the only ones left.
Today, the kitten (Miles) tested positive for leukemia and was PTS (the ill 
informed vet used scare tactics on the owner and made the owner think that her 
dogs could get it).  I was called after the fact.
What is proper testing protocol?  Vaccination protcol?  I use a 4 way with 
feline leukemia, killed virus.
--Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

2013-09-24 Thread Lee Evans
Hi Shelley - I'm not sure as to when they were exposed. These were cats rescued 
from different places at different times. One, a male who I have had not for 
about 6 to 7 years, was rescued when he was not neutered, around age 2, street 
cat, but tame. Since I was going to get him adopted after neutering, I had him 
tested before I took him into my own house. He tested negative for FIV but 
positive for FeLv. I tested again at another vet. Still positive, but that vet 
suggested that I keep him for two months and then re-test. This guy was on top 
of the latest literature in vet medicine. So I did so, took Moses (cats name) 
back and he had turned negative. Not to say that I did not believe the test but 
too, Moses for yet another test and he was again negative. He's still with me.

Bunny (Buns for short) is a female, abandoned at an apartment complex 
(notorious for abandoned, feral and stray cats). She was less than a year old 
when she was brought to me on Easter Morning. Thus her name, Bunny. I put her 
in a separate room, then took to vet to be tested. She tested positive for 
FeLv. Kept her isolated, did not spay, re-tested in about 3 months, she tested 
negative. Tested again to be sure. Negative again so got her spayed. 

However, my luck did not hold very well. Recently had a rescued kitten brought 
to me. I took Taffy to a local Humane Society in Bulverde Texas. They tested 
her prior to putting her up for adoption. When they tested her, she tested 
positive for FeLv. I took her back, found her a foster home with a wonderful 
foster mom, who kept her isolated for 3 months but Taffy still tested positive 
at the end of the isolation period. Fortunately, Foster mom loves her and 
although Taffy doesn't mix in to the community of 7 cats that Foster Mom has, 
Taffy lives with Foster Mom's dog in a spare bedroom and gets to socialize with 
the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is perfectly happy with the 
arrangement. So is the dog.

The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect that 
Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not able to fight off the virus as a 
kitten because she did not have very good care and ended up as a little street 
stray.






 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 

Lee,

Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you have 
that threw off the virus?
Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they have had 
the FeLV virus for more than 2 months
before they ever were tested?

Shelley



On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote:

 I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in about 
 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or may not 
 have been actually positive. Since their immune system is not fully 
 developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. Too bad 
 about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such ridiculously incorrect 
 advice. Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, then re-test. You really 
 should find them a home with a person who understands that a positive test 
 does not mean the kitten should be killed. If they are still looking and 
 feeling well, let them live. A home with no other cats or with cat-friendly 
 dog is the best for this type of kitten.
 
 
 From: Betheny Laubenthal bailleyspetc...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:04 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 
 What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can be done 
 so that it is accurate?  I know that if it is done early on, it can be 
 inaccurate.
 The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July 16.  We 
 did not test.  I don't like testing before 16 weeks.  We pulled the kitten 
 and her sister from another state.  Mom was in a high kill shelter.  She was 
 PTS before we could rescue her.  The rest of the litter was PTS.  Miles and 
 Journey were the only ones left.
 Today, the kitten (Miles) tested positive for leukemia and was PTS (the ill 
 informed vet used scare tactics on the owner and made the owner think that 
 her dogs could get it).  I was called after the fact.
 What is proper testing protocol?  Vaccination protcol?  I use a 4 way with 
 feline leukemia, killed virus.
 --Beth
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing

2013-09-24 Thread Lee Evans
To answer if the foster mom has her cats vaccinated, NO. However, Taffy has her 
own litter box and own feeding bowl and only mingles with the other cats for a 
short time during the day, then back to her room with her pooch friend. I'm not 
too keen on vaccines. I have heard nasty things about the FeLv vaccine, like 
cats have come down with the disease a few weeks after being vaccinated and had 
no other source of being infected. I have also had a personal experience with a 
faulty polio vaccination when I was a teen. It left me with nerve damage which 
has not improved with age but at least I wasn't paralyzed, just in pain for a 
couple of years while my muscles gained strength with physical therapy. 
Vaccines are not the perfect answer to everything.






 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 

Hi Lee,

Thanks for explaining.  Not sure if there is hope for Leo to still turn 
negative.  He tested positive last July, when trapped and neutered, and then 
again in Nov.  I haven't retested yet, and am thinking of doing the IFA too.  
Does the woman who has Taffy have all of her other cats vaccinated for FeLV?

Do most people on this list who mix positive and negatives have their 
negatives vaccinated for FeLV?

Shelley



On Sep 24, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Lee Evans wrote:

 Hi Shelley - I'm not sure as to when they were exposed. These were cats 
 rescued from different places at different times. One, a male who I have had 
 not for about 6 to 7 years, was rescued when he was not neutered, around age 
 2, street cat, but tame. Since I was going to get him adopted after 
 neutering, I had him tested before I took him into my own house. He tested 
 negative for FIV but positive for FeLv. I tested again at another vet. Still 
 positive, but that vet suggested that I keep him for two months and then 
 re-test. This guy was on top of the latest literature in vet medicine. So I 
 did so, took Moses (cats name) back and he had turned negative. Not to say 
 that I did not believe the test but too, Moses for yet another test and he 
 was again negative. He's still with me.
 
 Bunny (Buns for short) is a female, abandoned at an apartment complex 
 (notorious for abandoned, feral and stray cats). She was less than a year 
 old when she was brought to me on Easter Morning. Thus her name, Bunny. I 
 put her in a separate room, then took to vet to be tested. She tested 
 positive for FeLv. Kept her isolated, did not spay, re-tested in about 3 
 months, she tested negative. Tested again to be sure. Negative again so got 
 her spayed. 
 
 However, my luck did not hold very well. Recently had a rescued kitten 
 brought to me. I took Taffy to a local Humane Society in Bulverde Texas. 
 They tested her prior to putting her up for adoption. When they tested her, 
 she tested positive for FeLv. I took her back, found her a foster home with 
 a wonderful foster mom, who kept her isolated for 3 months but Taffy still 
 tested positive at the end of the isolation period. Fortunately, Foster mom 
 loves her and although Taffy doesn't mix in to the community of 7 cats that 
 Foster Mom has, Taffy lives with Foster Mom's dog in a spare bedroom and 
 gets to socialize with the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is 
 perfectly happy with the arrangement. So is the dog.
 
 The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect that 
 Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not able to fight off the virus 
 as a kitten because she did not have very good care and ended up as a little 
 street stray.
 
 
 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:49 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 
 Lee,
 
 Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you have 
 that threw off the virus?
 Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they have had 
 the FeLV virus for more than 2 months
 before they ever were tested?
 
 Shelley
 
 
 
 On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote:
 
  I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in 
  about 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or 
  may not have been actually positive. Since their immune system is not 
  fully developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. Too 
  bad about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such ridiculously incorrect 
  advice. Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, then re-test. You really 
  should find them a home with a person who understands that a positive test 
  does not mean the kitten should be killed. If they are still looking and 
  feeling well, let them live. A home with no other cats or with 
  cat-friendly dog is the best for this type of kitten.
  
  
  From: Betheny Laubenthal

[Felvtalk] Fw: Question about FeLV/FIV testing

2013-09-24 Thread Lee Evans




From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 


You are a good, caring and compassionate person. I don't feel that FeLv is as 
contagious as vets try to panic us into thinking. I had two cats mixed in with 
8 others. They all lived together in cat harmony for many years, grooming each 
other, eating, drinking together and using the same litter boxes. They lived 
in love and happiness. Then Tiger and Twerp became ill. They were very old, 
around 15 years. I had had them tested twice throughout their lifetime when 
each had come down with a very stubborn URI. But they had tested negative both 
times. At the end of their days, I had them tested again to see if they were 
not suffering from old age but from something I could possibly treat. Along 
with the fact that they both had renal failure, they both tested positive for 
FeLv. Probably, the virus was dormant in the bone marrow all those years but 
when their immune system began to break down and their kidneys were failing, 
the virus took hold also. They passed
 away quietly within hours of each other. The other 8 cats who had been living 
with them tested negative for everything and all died of old age and renal 
failure. I don't know when Tiger and Twerp became actively FeLv+ but it doesn't 
matter. It shows that even with such close interaction, the cats that did not 
test positive still did not test positive. However, I do not mix positive-for- 
leukemia cats with my regular group. Right now all the cats who are with me are 
either negative or turned. However, I do have a few little marshmallows who are 
FIV+ mixed into the group because they don't fight. I also have a small FIV 
shelter, a detached building of one large room and a wire-enclosed porch for 
four FIV+ cats who have a bit of an attitude and are not to be trusted to keep 
a friendly discussion friendly.





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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
 

Shelley..

I lost a cat to FL in the 90's. After that I panicked and faithfully 
vaccinated my next five cats every year. Then I
 rescued another FL cat. 
Separated him from the others while he was symptomatic. He threw off the 
virus. As fate would have it, other rescues came to my door. I couldn't 
afford to have them all tested and vaccinated. (13).  All my cats mingle 
together and non gets sick. I don't even bother to have my rescues 
tested because I know that I would never put them down anyway. I was 
encouraged by a women I met years ago who mixed negatives and positves 
with good results. When my one FL cat has had symptoms (only twice in 4 
years) I isolate and treat him until he gets better. I am fastidious 
about clean bowls and water. God is taking care of them and me. If you 
have the money and you have only a few, get what ever treatment/tests 
are available. But I wouldn't stress over the testing. My Pookie will 
always test positive because he carries the disease in his system. But 
he is healthy as can be otherwise. I
 finally decided when my Lucy was 13 
(she's 17 now). to stop vaccinating her. If they don't have enough 
antibodies built up by then, they never will!  Maybe I am lucky, or just 
stupid, but I couldn't let an animal die form a lack of a home.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Chicken feathers, etc

2013-09-17 Thread Lee Evans
It wasn't exactly a farm for me. It was a tenement in New York. My uncle 
purchased it from the owner because the owner kept raising the rent. My uncles 
saved enough money to purchase the building, a 5 story affair with tenants from 
all over the world and of all colors. Some were nice, some were contentious, 
some were awful but everyone seemed to live together in relative harmony. My 
grandfather passed away when I was 6 years old. I only saw him once, from down 
the hallway in the apartment. He stood outside of his room and I stood outside 
the living room. We stared at each other. I said, Hello and he nodded his 
head at me, then went back into his room. I asked my mother later who that man 
was and she said, That's your grandfather. I had no concept that a 
grandfather was supposed to be friendly. He was a philosophy professor with not 
much use for children, but he wasn't mean, just not very well. Yes, the days of 
leaving doors open and having all the
 neighborhood wandering in and out of the house are over forever. It's sad that 
I did not appreciate life as it was then because I was too young and took it 
for granted that this was the way things would always be. As I grew older, the 
world grew more dangerous until locks and bolts and burglar alarms were the 
only things left between us and the outside world. However, I live in a nice 
place now. My neighbor just put up a fence because he intends to get a cow. His 
roosters wake me up in the morning and my peacock shares food with my two 
outside cats. The inside cats are relatively happy and I have two enclosed 
areas for special needs cats. Not as bad as it could be.






 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chicken feathers, etc
 

Lee,  I loved hearing about your grandmother.  I absolutely adored my
grandparents, and in the 1940's they had a large farm with cows, horses, 
chickens, ducks etc. Their house was a big 20 room victorian and had 5 
stories counting the basement, first floor, second floor, a full third 
floor and a big attic. My cousins and I could play hide and go seek and 
not find each other for hours!

You and I are both fortunate to have had such wonderful grandparents.
Mine have been gone for many many years, but I still miss them.

Lorrie


On 09-15, Lee Evans wrote:
    This was a long time ago, in the 1950's when there were still private
    butchers and my grandmother would buy her chickens from the butcher who
    would pluck them there in the store so some feathers were always left
    on. Yes, she was from Odessa, Russia and only spoke German and Russian.
    She would tell me (in German and broken English) that the coffee was a
    French recipe. My grandfather had traveled all the way from France
    across Europe to Russia. He was an itinerant philosophy professor and
    taught his way across Europe at Universities. The French coffee was
    probably his idea. I was too young to drink coffee but it was
    traditional to put some in my milk. Then I would watch the coffee
    grains float. I loved my grandmother. She was very kind to me and I
    loved visiting her because I could go through the mysterious wardrobes
    and inspect the dresses and hats my aunt created. The building was in
    an ethnic neighborhood in New York City, the doors were never locked
    and people of every color and language were constantly walking in and
    out, as were dogs and cats from the area. I picked up a rudimentary
    understanding of quite a few languages before I was a teenager. There
    were always strangers in the apartment having coffee or a meal and
    conversations with my grandmother or my uncle and always some dog or
    cat being fed in the hallway.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Chicken feathers

2013-09-15 Thread Lee Evans
This was a long time ago, in the 1950's when there were still private butchers 
and my grandmother would buy her chickens from the butcher who would pluck them 
there in the store so some feathers were always left on. Yes, she was from 
Odessa, Russia and only spoke German and Russian. She would tell me (in German 
and broken English) that the coffee was a French recipe. My grandfather had 
traveled all the way from France across Europe to Russia. He was an itinerant 
philosophy professor and taught his way across Europe at Universities. The 
French coffee was probably his idea. I was too young to drink coffee but it was 
traditional to put some in my milk. Then I would watch the coffee grains float. 
I loved my grandmother. She was very kind to me and I loved visiting her 
because I could go through the mysterious wardrobes and inspect the dresses and 
hats my aunt created. The building was in an ethnic neighborhood in New York 
City, the doors were never locked
 and people of every color and language were constantly walking in and out, as 
were dogs and cats from the area. I picked up a rudimentary understanding of 
quite a few languages before I was a teenager. There were always strangers in 
the apartment having coffee or a meal and conversations with my grandmother or 
my uncle and always some dog or cat being fed in the hallway.   






 From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chicken feathers
 

Lee
Was grandma from the old country by chance?  Sounds like some ideas other
cultures might have.  The coffee actually doesn't sound half bad, but then I
always loved the skin on my hot chocolate as a kid.
The feathers?  Well, I'd have to be awfully hungry on that one...

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 5:16 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chicken feathers

Egads Lee, I'm sure you were not eager to visit granny!!


On 09-14, Lee Evans wrote:
    Not kidding about the chicken feather soup. She also specialized in
    coffee boiled with milk and coffee grounds. Then after a while, it
    would form a leather skin on top and we had to cut through to the
    coffee. Yech! Burned scrambled eggs, almost raw liver, black toast. I
    would say that my grandmother was a very intelligent woman but not a
    gourmet cook. My uncles cat loved the liver though.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charle

2013-09-15 Thread Lee Evans
I don't know why some vets are so uninformed but I have had seemingly 
intelligent vets tell me that this or that cat had FIP because the cat had a 
high titer for the corona virus. This is NOT FIP. Many cats get a corona virus. 
Some actually become ill from it but with regular symptoms of illness - high 
fever, anorexic, lethargic but not the usual fluid filled chest cavity that is 
one of the signs of FIP (but could also be heart disease). FIP is not all that 
common in cats, even in strays. The few cats I rescued with genuine FIP were 
NOT FeLv+ or FIV+. It seems to me that vets want to blame every illness on cats 
who are positive for one of the combo test disorders. Sometimes I suspect that 
the vets want to give us a reason to dispose of the cat without having a guilty 
conscience since it's terminally ill anyway. I had a cat with a high titer 
for the corona virus. She was diagnosed with FIP. What she had was a high 
fever. She had a miscarriage (pregnant
 stray calico, very friendly) in my backyard. She was burning up with fever. 
They said to have her euthanized. I said no. They said FIP, I said no. She had 
to be spayed on an emergency basis because the rest of the fetuses were not 
alive. They returned a live almost bald skeleton cat to me and told me she had 
about a 10% chance of living through the week because she had FIP. I said she 
did not have it. Took home Buttercup, syringe fed her for almost a month. Flea 
combed her every day in the isolation room she inhabited in my house. She began 
eating on her own after a month. Her fur grew back. She began high-jumping 
after bouncing balls. She grew fat. I took her back for her rabies shot and vet 
was astonished. Said she had recovered from FIP. I said she had recovered from 
a corona virus infection. She was eventually adopted.My FeLv+ cats never had 
FIP. Some actually fought off the FeLv virus and now test negative. Two passed 
away from the disease when it
 became active.






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Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charle
 



Hi Beth,

          That's new to me. Could you please point me towards more 
information? I've had several cats diagnosed with FIP, and none were 
confirmed, so I'm curious as to a possible link to FeLV. Might explain a few 
things.

Thanks, 

Margo

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From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
Sent: Aug 10, 2013 10:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charle

FIP is common in FeLV cats

Marci Greer frecklescras...@hotmail.com wrote:


 
Hi everyone,We took Charles (felv+) to the vet this morning and they did an 
xray of his chest, their is a lot of fluid in his chest cavity, she said it 
could possibly be a tumor. She gave him a shot of cortisone and a shot of 
Lasix, sent us home with Lasix pills as well.  I am hoping that the Lasix 
gets rid of all of the fluid and hopefully we can by some time if it is a 
tumor.  If anyone has any advise or thoughtsI don't wantto loose one of 
our babies.                           
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Re: [Felvtalk] Chicken feathers

2013-09-14 Thread Lee Evans
Not kidding about the chicken feather soup. She also specialized in coffee 
boiled with milk and coffee grounds. Then after a while, it would form a 
leather skin on top and we had to cut through to the coffee. Yech! Burned 
scrambled eggs, almost raw liver, black toast. I would say that my grandmother 
was a very intelligent woman but not a gourmet cook. My uncles cat loved the 
liver though.






 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2013 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chicken feathers
 

Well, feathers are protein, but I sure wouldn't want to eat them. 
Are you kidding about your grandmother's soup??

Lorrie

On 09-13, Lee Evans wrote:
    Did someone mention that Royal Canin grinds up chicken feathers as the
    protein source in their very expensive cat food? Sheesh! Well, it can't
    be too bad. My grandmother used to have a liberal topping of chicken
    feathers in her chicken soup throughout my childhood. The cats didn't
    seem to mind it.


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Re: [Felvtalk] OT - using humans

2013-09-13 Thread Lee Evans
Yum! And the choices for Population Control Pate can be Burglar Beef in Gravy, 
Rapist Shreds and  WifeBeater Bits all formulated for nutritional balance by 
Friskems Criminal Cat Food Company. And for the fat cat who really loves 
Premium Food at a high price, you can have Politician Pate and Pork Barrel Pork.






 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT - using humans
 

What a great idea, and not just naturally deceased humans for cat
food, but child molesters, rapists, etc.  Entirely too many humans
are degenerates who would make excellent cat chow!! 


On 09-11, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 and when do they start using deceased humans as an acceptable source of
 protein.  They already use animals euthanized by humane society.  I think
 it is time for God to put an end to us, we do not deserve to live on this
 beautiful planet that we are in the processing of destroying.


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Re: [Felvtalk] OT - using humans

2013-09-13 Thread Lee Evans


Did someone mention that Royal Canin grinds up chicken feathers as the protein 
source in their very expensive cat food? Sheesh! Well, it can't be too bad. My 
grandmother used to have a liberal topping of chicken feathers in her chicken 
soup throughout my childhood. The cats didn't seem to mind it. 



 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT - using humans
 

And Lord knows, I do not need any more fat!

 Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
 Completely Funny!!  LOL!  ;-)
 
 But the Politician Plate would be wy too fatty!
 
  
 
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
 Evans
 Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:39 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT - using humans
 
  
 
 Yum! And the choices for Population Control Pate can be Burglar Beef in
 Gravy, Rapist Shreds and  WifeBeater Bits all formulated for nutritional
 balance by Friskems Criminal Cat Food Company. And for the fat cat who
 really loves Premium Food at a high price, you can have Politician Pate and
 Pork Barrel Pork.
 
  
 
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] diarrhea

2013-09-05 Thread Lee Evans
If a vet visit is necessary you might want to purchase At Ease. It's put out by 
Whisker City and can be purchased at PetsMart. WalMart also sells it. I usually 
spray the carrier about 15 minutes to a half hour before the cat has to be put 
inside. The spray is safe but it's better to let it dry a bit so the cat won't 
get it all over himself. it's a combination of herbs which is supposed to act 
like pheromones to relax the cat. It actually works. I was quite surprised. I 
had one howler who was louder than sirens all the way to the vet. When I 
finally was told about At Ease, I sprayed the carrier and the howling was down 
to a few meows and then he just gave up and sat for the ride.

Is Pugs a long hair Persian type? He may have groomed himself into a hairball. 
The part about throwing up would worry me. 






 From: laurak...@aol.com laurak...@aol.com
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Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] diarrhea
 


Thanks all for the suggestions.  At the shelter he was dewormed, but if the 
stool is the same tomorrow I will take a sample to the vet to rule any 
parasites out and go from there. Next step will be an actual visit. Hoping it 
won't come to that as it stresses him out so much. 

Will keep you posted,

Laura, Dani  Pugs
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm

2013-09-02 Thread Lee Evans
Topically. NEVER use gentian violet internally. It would be like swallowing 
Preparation H only worse.






 From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
 


How does a human use Genetian violet for RW, internally or topically?

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 31, 2013, at 2:58 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:




I'm on Digest version of this list, and it's not easy to reply... but I 
learned about Gentian Violet when I was a kid, and it worked great for 
ringworm - mine was on my hand.  I've since used it on cats when appropriate 
and it worked.  I generally use Golden Seal tincture (from the health food 
store, about $8), as it works well and isn't purple.  But have used Malaseb 
shampoo and it worked well. I don't use Grisiofulvin since it's systemic, 
unless it's a bad case of ringworm - has a Persian like that so did use the 
Grisiofulvin.


I read up on Advantage Multi a while back, and didn't like some of the 
reports of it - so I never use Advantage Multi.


Cheers,


Gloria





From: Catherine Chang changic...@gmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:48 PM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm







Hi felv friends, 





I was away from emails for several days, so I am not sure whether bathing 
options has been mentioned in this thread about ringworm. If they been 
mentioned, please skip this email. If not, here they are: 



I know 2 shampoos can eliminate ringworm very effectively by just bathing 
the cat (or just his/her infected area) twice a week.  



1. Malaseb shampoo: it contains 2% Miconazole which can treat ringworm very 
effectively. It is available on Amazon. 

2. Nizoral Shampoo: it is a human dandruff shampoo made with Ketoconazole. 
The 1% version can be obtained in drug stores. Although taking Ketoconazole 
by mouth could make cat lethargy, such side effect is less seen when only 
using it by bathing as far as I know. There is also a pet version of 2% 
Ketoconazole shampoo, but you will need a prescription to get that. 



hope it helps.

catherine 





 










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Re: [Felvtalk] Positive cat

2013-09-02 Thread Lee Evans
First of all, the vets blow way out of proportion the contagious factor in 
FeLv. Yes, a cat can be latent, as were my Tiger Boy and Twerp. Both latent, 
both tested negative all their long lives, then towards the end, they got a URI 
plus kidney failure and both passed within days of each other at ages 13 and 
14. They lived with 8 other cats. I tested periodically but none of their mates 
ever turned positive and all the cats in that group regularly slept together, 
groomed each other, ate from the same dishes and shared litter boxes. You can't 
make any hard, fast rules with FeLv. Your cat has been living with the other 
cats so it's up to you whether she should continues to do that. However, please 
don't have her killed just because she tested positive. As for a cat going 
outside and bringing in FeLv, I really don't think so. They have to have some 
type of long term exposure or critical exposure - like meeting a cat who is 
already ill from the disease and
 grooming him. It's not airborne.






 From: Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Positive cat
 


None of the other cats go outside except for the one that got out

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On Sep 1, 2013, at 2:46 PM, Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com wrote:


Cat is now testing positive.  She was never tested as a kitten although her 
parents were and her littermate was. She has never been outside although one 
if the cats in the house did get out for about a week.  That cat and all other 
cats in the house have tested negative.  So is it possible that the cat that 
got out brought it in the house but still tests negative and this cat was 
exposed and is now positive?  

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On Sep 1, 2013, at 9:10 AM, john pollack bucfa...@yahoo.com wrote:


Yes, it most certainly is. My Tigger was Positve. Everyone else here tested 
negative, and still does,.
Tigger passed at age 5 2 years ago. all STILL negative here.





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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2013 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Positive cat
 


also, a previously 'negative' cat could in fact have a latent infection 
which does not show up.  This can go on for potentially years and later turn 
positive when sick/stressed.


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From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Positive cat
Date: Sun, Sep 1, 2013 8:19 am



Sure, if the cat got outside or are otherwise exposed to other cats. Not all 
cats coming into contact with a positive cat will contract the virus.Plus 
the virus can take 90 days to show up on a test. You'd have to be more 
specific about the circumstances - when all the cats were tested, what kind 
of test, are the cats indoors/outdoors?



 Beth
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 




 From: Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 7:43 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Positive cat
 

Is it possible for one cat in a house of multiple cats to be positive when 
everyone else is negative and even parents and all other cats from its 
litter are negative. 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Positive cat

2013-08-31 Thread Lee Evans
If the cat was tested with the new triple test (FIV, FeLv and Heartworm) the 
heartworm test might screw up the results. However, no test is perfect. I 
remember someone gave an explanation as to why a negative cat would actually 
test positive a lot of the time. If that person is still here, please respond. 
What made you test the cat in the first place since everyone was negative?






 From: Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 6:43 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Positive cat
 

Is it possible for one cat in a house of multiple cats to be positive when 
everyone else is negative and even parents and all other cats from its litter 
are negative. 

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Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm

2013-08-29 Thread Lee Evans
It also won't kill fleas. It may repel them for a while but unless you vacuum 
your floors every day, treat with diatomaceous earth and flea comb every one of 
them, they are going to be hopping in no time. In addition, a sad tail I can 
tell about natural flea treatments is my cat Teddy, now only a memory but 
when he was with me, I used a lemon oil and herbal based flea remedy that was 
guaranteed to rid my cat of flea problems. What it did rid him of was a nice 
swatch of fur on the back of his neck with a matching skin burn from the horrid 
stuff. The flea stuff cost much more than regular flea remedies and cost me 
several vet visits until Teddy's neck healed. I wrote the company a scathing 
letter demanding my money back and telling them to take the crap off the market 
but they refused to do either. I'm not a great proponent of herbal flea 
treatments after that experience.






 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
 

I don't like the commercial flea drops at all. My cats have all had a reaction 
to them.  I found an herbal one on Dr. Becker's site (Mercola site).  It has 
cinnamon and other natural ingredients.  The cats were not too happy with it 
at first, I think mostly because the cinnamon smell is pretty strong when it 
first goes on, but at least they have not had any adverse reactions to it.  
This includes my remaining FELV, Annie.


 trustinhi...@charter.net wrote: 
 I just wanted to share that I put Advantage-multi drops on my felv+ cat, 
Pookie, in june and a week later there appear 1 then 2 puffy lumps on 
his back between his spine. They disappeared after a few weeks after 
intense intervention with syringe feeding of vitamins and nutrients. He 
then went into a period of running a fever and not eating or drinking. 
He was placed on Baytril for two weeks. The fever left and he started to 
eat and drink, but then developed a mouth sore. So he wasn't eating or 
drinking again. I have learned to be very sure when pilling that the 
pill actually goes down. I suspect one was lodged under his tongue and 
may have caused the mouth sore. I finally took him to a holistic vet and 
she has been giving him acupuncture. Within 24 hours he was eating and 
drinking again. She said the toughest needle to get in was in his nose 
(controls appetite), but he went from running a temp to a cold nose in 
one day. I also gave him some Clin drops leftover from another cats 
mouth abcess for a few days. His mouth sore healed. He has had 3 
acupunture treatments and is back to his old self. He is also getting 
some immune support herbs - one is called Wei Qi. He is 6 1/2 and has 
fought off the virus before when he was 2. I just want to caution others 
that these flea preps are strong and may not be good for Felv+ kitties. 
Carolyn


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Lee Evans wrote:

 With FeLv+ cats or any cats for that matter, it's always good to get 
 the vet's opinion on what shampoo to use or not. Remember that some 
 residue of the shampoo may be absorbed through the cat's skin. If you 
 want to know more about cat diseases (or cattle, pig, horse, rabbit or 
 anything disases) you can go to www.merckmanuals.com and click on The 
 Merck Veterinary Manual. They list everything there. It's really 
 wonderful. If you want to know about a particular medication you are 
 told to use, go to www.drugs.com and type cat medication in the 
 search area. Everything is listed in alphabetical order. You will 
 discover that Malaseb is for dogs and horses. You might want to hold 
 off using this on a cat or kitten. Ketochlor and other shampoos that 
 begin with Keto- should be used only under the recommendation of a 
 veterinarian. This one forms a coating of the substance on the cat's 
 skin and lasts long after the shampoo has been used, according to the
  information on drugs.com.
 I'm not sure that shampooing a cat is for everyone. I tried it once or 
 twice. What I got was a mass of soap bubbles and foam with ears and 
 eyes, racing around the house, screaching and snarling. Getting a cat 
 to stand around for 5 to 10 minutes while the shampoo works, as 
 advised in the information, is sooo not realistic. If you do want to 
 shampoo, notify your next of kin first. Incidentally, it was a flea 
 shampoo I used on an adult cat who was usually Mr. Charming but turned 
 into a vampire the minute the water and soap hit him. This was before 
 I found out about Capstar and Frontline Plus, many moons ago.





 
 From: Catherine Chang changic...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:48 
 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm



 Hi felv friends,

 I was away from emails for several days, so I am not sure whether 
 bathing options has been mentioned in this thread about ringworm. If 
 they been

Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm

2013-08-29 Thread Lee Evans
Definitely agree with you Margo. Even for humans. My mom used to toss all sorts 
of herbal pills and capsules at me to improve anything and everything. It 
improved mostly nothing. However, I do use echinacea on occasion when I think I 
have been exposed to the flu or some other icky virus. However, there is a 
holistic homeopathic/allopathic veterinarian in my area who has at times 
treated a cat or two of mine with herbal medications, but under close 
supervision and with the warning that if I see anything that worries me to 
phone him right away. This is OK because he uses herbs just like he would use 
any other medication. Incidentally I would not trust Dr. Becker to treat a 
cockroach. Snake oil anyone?






 From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 6:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
 


         I avoid any and all essential oils for cats. Dogs and humans can 
metabolize them, cats can't. They lack a liver enzyme needed to process the 
oils. I get very annoyed seeing substances containing essential oils touted as 
safe for cats because they're natural.
    
         Cinnamon oil is particularly high in phenols, which are considered 
harmful to cats.

http://essentialoilworld.com/essentialoilreviews/pet-health/essential-oil-safety-with-cats

         This is from a site that SELLS essential oils, but states some are 
not safe for cats.

         This is my favorite site addressing the use of essential oils around 
cats, and again, they sell them...

http://www.thelavendercat.com/

         I use Advantage on my non-FeLV cats and their dogfriends, and it 
seems to keep the flea population under control on everyone.

         It's up to each catslave what they choose to control those annoying 
little bloodsuckers, but just thought I'd give another point of view. Natural 
does not mean safe.

Margo



-Original Message-
From: dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Aug 28, 2013 11:35 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm

I don't like the commercial flea drops at all. My cats have all had a 
reaction to them.  I found an herbal one on Dr. Becker's site (Mercola site). 
 It has cinnamon and other natural ingredients.  The cats were not too 
happy with it at first, I think mostly because the cinnamon smell is pretty 
strong when it first goes on, but at least they have not had any adverse 
reactions to it.  This includes my remaining FELV, Annie.

 
 trustinhi...@charter.net wrote: 
 I just wanted to share that I put Advantage-multi drops on my felv+ cat, 
Pookie, in june and a week later there appear 1 then 2 puffy lumps on 
his back between his spine. They disappeared after a few weeks after 
intense intervention with syringe feeding of vitamins and nutrients. He 
then went into a period of running a fever and not eating or drinking. 
He was placed on Baytril for two weeks. The fever left and he started to 
eat and drink, but then developed a mouth sore. So he wasn't eating or 
drinking again. I have learned to be very sure when pilling that the 
pill actually goes down. I suspect one was lodged under his tongue and 
may have caused the mouth sore. I finally took him to a holistic vet and 
she has been giving him acupuncture. Within 24 hours he was eating and 
drinking again. She said the toughest needle to get in was in his nose 
(controls appetite), but he went from running a temp to a cold nose in 
one day. I also gave him some Clin drops leftover from another cats 
mouth abcess for a few days. His mouth sore healed. He has had 3 
acupunture treatments and is back to his old self. He is also getting 
some immune support herbs - one is called Wei Qi. He is 6 1/2 and has 
fought off the virus before when he was 2. I just want to caution others 
that these flea preps are strong and may not be good for Felv+ kitties. 
Carolyn


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Lee Evans wrote:

 With FeLv+ cats or any cats for that matter, it's always good to get 
 the vet's opinion on what shampoo to use or not. Remember that some 
 residue of the shampoo may be absorbed through the cat's skin. If you 
 want to know more about cat diseases (or cattle, pig, horse, rabbit or 
 anything disases) you can go to www.merckmanuals.com and click on The 
 Merck Veterinary Manual. They list everything there. It's really 
 wonderful. If you want to know about a particular medication you are 
 told to use, go to www.drugs.com and type cat medication in the 
 search area. Everything is listed in alphabetical order. You will 
 discover that Malaseb is for dogs and horses. You might want to hold 
 off using this on a cat or kitten. Ketochlor and other shampoos that 
 begin with Keto- should be used only under the recommendation of a 
 veterinarian. This one forms a coating of the substance on the cat's 
 skin and lasts long after the shampoo has been used, according to the
  information on drugs.com

Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm

2013-08-27 Thread Lee Evans
With FeLv+ cats or any cats for that matter, it's always good to get the vet's 
opinion on what shampoo to use or not. Remember that some residue of the 
shampoo may be absorbed through the cat's skin. If you want to know more about 
cat diseases (or cattle, pig, horse, rabbit or anything disases) you can go to 
www.merckmanuals.com and click on The Merck Veterinary Manual. They list 
everything there. It's really wonderful. If you want to know about a particular 
medication you are told to use, go to www.drugs.com and type cat medication 
in the search area. Everything is listed in alphabetical order. You will 
discover that Malaseb is for dogs and horses. You might want to hold off using 
this on a cat or kitten. Ketochlor and other shampoos that begin with Keto- 
should be used only under the recommendation of a veterinarian. This one forms 
a coating of the substance on the cat's skin and lasts long after the shampoo 
has been used, according to the
 information on drugs.com. 

I'm not sure that shampooing a cat is for everyone. I tried it once or twice. 
What I got was a mass of soap bubbles and foam with ears and eyes, racing 
around the house, screaching and snarling. Getting a cat to stand around for 5 
to 10 minutes while the shampoo works, as advised in the information, is sooo 
not realistic. If you do want to shampoo, notify your next of kin first. 
Incidentally, it was a flea shampoo I used on an adult cat who was usually Mr. 
Charming but turned into a vampire the minute the water and soap hit him. This 
was before I found out about Capstar and Frontline Plus, many moons ago.






 From: Catherine Chang changic...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
 


Hi felv friends, 


I was away from emails for several days, so I am not sure whether bathing 
options has been mentioned in this thread about ringworm. If they been 
mentioned, please skip this email. If not, here they are: 

I know 2 shampoos can eliminate ringworm very effectively by just bathing the 
cat (or just his/her infected area) twice a week.  

1. Malaseb shampoo: it contains 2% Miconazole which can treat ringworm very 
effectively. It is available on Amazon. 
2. Nizoral Shampoo: it is a human dandruff shampoo made with Ketoconazole. The 
1% version can be obtained in drug stores. Although taking Ketoconazole by 
mouth could make cat lethargy, such side effect is less seen when only using 
it by bathing as far as I know. There is also a pet version of 2% Ketoconazole 
shampoo, but you will need a prescription to get that. 

hope it helps.
catherine 


 



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Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm

2013-08-27 Thread Lee Evans
That was the first really good laugh I had in a month. Thanks. 






 From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
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Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
 


 
How to Bathe Your 
1) First …. dress for the occasion. A 4-ply rubber wet suit is suggested, along 
with a helmet, face mask and welders gloves. 
2) A Bathtub with a glass enclosure is preferred to the one with a shower 
curtain. A frenzied cat can shred one of these in about 3.5 seconds.
3) Have the Kitty Bubbles and towel in the enclosed bathtub area beforehand. 
No… blow drying the cat after the bath is not suggested.
4) Draw the water, making it a little warmer than needed as you still need to 
find the cat. Position everything strategically in the shower, so you can 
reach it even if you are face down or prone in the tub.
5) Find your cat. Use the element of surprise. Pick the cat up, nonchalantly 
as if you were simply carrying him/her to the supper dish. No need to worry 
about the cat noticing your strange attire, the cat barely notices you anyway.
6) Once you and the cat are inside the bathroom speed is essential. In one 
single fluid motion shut the door to the bathroom, step into the shower, 
close the sliding doors, and drop the cat into the water. While the cat is 
still in a state of shock locate the Kitty Bubbles and squirt whatever part 
of him is above the water line. You have just begun the wildest 45 seconds of 
your life. Remember that cats have no handles and add the fact that he now 
has soapy fur. His state of shock has worn off and he’s madder than hell.
7) As best you can, wearing welder’s gloves, try to field his body as he 
catapults through the air toward the ceiling. If possible, give another 
squirt of Kitty Bubbles with his body now fully exposed.
8) During the 5 seconds you are able to hold onto him, rub vigorously. No 
need to worry about rinsing. As he slides down the glass enclosure into the 
tub, he will fall back into the water, rinsing himself in the process.
9) Only attempt the lather and rinse process about 3 times. The cat will 
realize the lack of traction on the glass by then and will use the next 
attempt on the first available part of you.
10) Next, the cat must be dried. No, this is NOT the easiest part. By this 
stage, you are worn out and the cat has just become semi-permanently affixed 
to your right leg. We suggest here that you drain the tub and in full view of 
your cat, reach for the bottle of Kitty Bubbles.
11) If you have done step 10 correctly, the cat will be off your leg and 
hanging precariously from your helmet. Although this view of the cat is most 
disgusting, he will be in a much better position for wrapping the towel 
around him.
12) Be sure cat is firmly wrapped in towel before opening tub enclosure. Open 
bathroom door. Put towel-wrapped cat on floor and step back quickly. Into 
tub, if possible, and do not open enclosure until all you can see is the 
shredded towel.
13) In about 2 hours, it will be safe to exit the bathroom. Your cat will be 
sitting out there somewhere looking like a small hedgehog while plotting 
revenge. But doesn’t he smell better?
 
 
-Original Message- 
From: Lee Evans 
Sent: Aug 27, 2013 12:59 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm 


With FeLv+ cats or any cats for that matter, it's always good to get the 
vet's opinion on what shampoo to use or not. Remember that some residue of 
the shampoo may be absorbed through the cat's skin. If you want to know more 
about cat diseases (or cattle, pig, horse, rabbit or anything disases) you 
can go to www.merckmanuals.com and click on The Merck Veterinary Manual. They 
list everything there. It's really wonderful. If you want to know about a 
particular medication you are told to use, go to www.drugs.com and type cat 
medication in the search area. Everything is listed in alphabetical order. 
You will discover that Malaseb is for dogs and horses. You might want to hold 
off using this on a cat or kitten. Ketochlor and other shampoos that begin 
with Keto- should be used only under the recommendation of a veterinarian. 
This one forms a coating of the substance on the cat's skin and lasts long 
after the shampoo has been used, according to the
 information on drugs.com. 

I'm not sure that shampooing a cat is for everyone. I tried it once or twice. 
What I got was a mass of soap bubbles and foam with ears and eyes, racing 
around the house, screaching and snarling. Getting a cat to stand around for 
5 to 10 minutes while the shampoo works, as advised in the information, is 
sooo not realistic. If you do want to shampoo, notify your next of kin first. 
Incidentally, it was a flea shampoo I used on an adult cat who was usually 
Mr. Charming but turned into a vampire the minute the water and soap hit him. 
This was before I found out about Capstar and Frontline Plus, many moons ago

Re: [Felvtalk] Sense of smell and food

2013-08-25 Thread Lee Evans
To answer your first question, sometimes as a cat ages they readjust their food 
intake. She was a kitten, now a year so she is almost at the tail end (pardon 
the pun) of her growth spurt to adulthood. She is more sure of having a steady 
supply of food so no need to gulp. However, if she begins to lose weight, you 
need to take her for an exam. 

Second question. I have left food out for a feral colony and watched their 
behavior, thinking they would beam in on the food in a nanosecond. Nope. They 
hunted around like three blind mice with noses to the ground and finally found 
the bowl filled to the brim with food. OK. With my house cats, they nose around 
like little vacuum cleaners and miss the spilled kibbles but slurp up a nice 
dust bunny and then gasp and cough and spit. None of them have FeLv.. Maybe a 
brain cell or two got it's wires crossed. Anyway, just keep up with the weight 
observation. Hugs and purrs.






 From: Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com
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Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 8:29 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Sense of smell and food
 

Hi everyone,
I have two questions regarding Kitty, our one year old FeLV+.
Since she turned one year old, she has become less responsive to food or is 
less food oriented. Up to two months ago, she would drop everything to eat and 
get very excited about food, she would gulp her food down but now she eats a 
little and then walks away and then returns. Sometimes she eats more and 
sometimes she eats less and she has off days for eating. Is that normal? I 
know her weight is stable as I have a baby scale and I weight her monthly.
My second question is regarding her sense of smell, which seems to be slightly 
off.  A few times I have left her food or a few treats and she seems to not to 
see it or find it. Do cats with FeLV have that?

Thanks,

Mally and Kitty 

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Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm

2013-08-25 Thread Lee Evans
I still vote for the cream for athletes foot. I used it years ago on a cat 
named Munchkin for spots of fur loss. Didn't know it was ringworm, just whisked 
my fingers through it and hadn't a clue. Took him to the vet and the vet said 
ringworm. Eeek! But I never contracted it. Vet said I was probably exposed to 
it as a child and was immune. Whatever . I did use Program prophylactically on 
some of my own cats who were exposed to a rescued kitten I was fostering who 
was diagnosed with ringworm.  No one caught it from him. Actually, ringworm is 
self limiting.  The cats lose fur, their immune system kicks in if they are 
relatively healthy and the hair loss stops, the little whorls heal up and cat 
is good to go again. But if you like a messy, greasy cat, ask your vet about 
the athletes foot cream.

Worked in a medical office for a good part of my early years. They used gentian 
violet for female herpes. Yow! I bet that was no fun. And of course, it didn't 
help much. Sadistic male gynecologists.






 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
 

Hi,  I'm even older than you... I'm 80 and in the 1940's when I
had ringworm, the treatment was just alcohol. I remember screaming
when my mom put alcohol on my ringworm because it burned so much. It
got rid of the stuff tho.  Medicine didn't taste good in those days
either.  We got castor oil, and all sorts of awful tasting remedies.

BTW go for the purple hair. My hair is thin too, so maybe I'll try
it :-)

Lorrie

On 08-23, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 BETH - Now that I am 73 and have gone thru 4 different chemos, my hair is
 thinning.  Guess I will have to find some gentian Violet and paint my head
 purple.  I will fit in with all the younger crowd who like all colors of
 hair.












 
  Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com wrote: 
  Original Program (flea medicine) works. Only has to be given once - twice 
  at the most.  
 
 
 Susan Saunders
 Bengal Rescue
 Louisville, KY
 http://www.bengalrescuenetwork.org/
 502-494-8669
 Join bengalcatrescue-subscr...@yahoogroups.com
 
 From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 11:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
 
 
 
 Wow. Maybe you have accidentally discovered a cure for thinning hair :)
 
 
 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://www.furkids.org/
  
 
 
 
 
 On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:49 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 
 As long as it works, that is what is important.  I know this is a bit late, 
 but been busy taking care of Lil Bit, giving fluids, meds and syringe 
 feeding.  All to no avail, she passed last Friday.
 When I was a child, I got ringworm and my doctor (an old vet who went to 
 Vienna and trained for people meds) used gentian violet on my head.  It was 
 purple, but got rid of the ringworm.  Ever since then, the hair on that 
 part of my head is curlier and thicker.
 
  Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote:
  When we took in a cat with ringworm, the first vet prescribed an 
  expensive oral medication (something like Griseofluvin). We sought the 
  advice of a different vet who gave the cat a shot of antibiotics and 
  recommended we use lime sulfur dips. It took a while, but it did clear 
  up. The dips are messy and stinky, but effective.
 
  Good luck.
  Cindy
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm

2013-08-22 Thread Lee Evans
You can also use a cream for athletes foot. As your vet what the safe amount 
would be on cat skin.


 
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 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2013 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ringworm
 

As long as it works, that is what is important.  I know this is a bit late, 
but been busy taking care of Lil Bit, giving fluids, meds and syringe feeding. 
 All to no avail, she passed last Friday.
When I was a child, I got ringworm and my doctor (an old vet who went to 
Vienna and trained for people meds) used gentian violet on my head.  It was 
purple, but got rid of the ringworm.  Ever since then, the hair on that part 
of my head is curlier and thicker.

 Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: 
 When we took in a cat with ringworm, the first vet prescribed an expensive 
 oral medication (something like Griseofluvin). We sought the advice of a 
 different vet who gave the cat a shot of antibiotics and recommended we use 
 lime sulfur dips. It took a while, but it did clear up. The dips are messy 
 and stinky, but effective.
 
 Good luck.
 Cindy
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Undesirable or just plain ugly cats

2013-08-15 Thread Lee Evans
Sounds more like you should find the little tub a restaurant home. Yeah. I have 
several aggressive eaters in my feline family. I especially love when they 
suddenly get and itch while walking with me to the food and plunk their tubby 
rears down in front of me to dig a back foot into their ear, causing me to pull 
up with a screech or topple head over heels over them. My one-eyed boy with a 
meow like an automobile engine trying to start up with no anti-freeze on a 
subzero Winter day probably weighs in at 70 pounds. Well, maybe that's an 
exaggeration but when he sat down on my foot one day, it actually hurt. I 
thought a boulder had landed on my toes. I have a lot of sad cases to. Older 
cats losing weight, possibly from thyroid issues. Have to get them tested. 
Rampant stomatitis which is controlled by cortisone shots because I have no 
money or time to deal with more sophisticated methods that may or may not work. 
And trying to earn enough money to keep up
 with the mortgage because I'm not eligible for mortgage reduction on a mobile 
home, even if it is double-wide and guess what? You can't get a mortgage 
reduction if your credit is lousy because a mortgage reduction is actually 
refinancing. So welcome to the Twilight Zone where if you don't have money you 
can't have money and you won't have money ever again. The American Dream. Yeah.


 
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Re: [Felvtalk] IFA tests/PCR tests

2013-08-14 Thread Lee Evans
You really have to decide why you are testing. If a cat is ill with the Mystery 
Illness, of course you need to run some tests to pinpoint what may be the cause 
of the illness. If you are adopting out, you probably should do a combo test 
without the heartworm part which I learned from this list can screw up the 
results of the other tests in the combo. However, if the 4 kittens mentioned 
have tested negative, I don't see any reason why not to adopt out. Because, and 
this is important to remember, the person wanting the kitten or a couple of 
kittens will get a couple of kittens from someone, somewhere and that person 
probably won't test at all, just advertise free to good home, healthy 
kittens. As long as the test is not definitely positive, you can ethically 
adopt out. I had an FIV+ cat who was not when I took him in. He was negative 
but thin. I polished him up and fattened him up and took him for adoption at 
the Humane Society here and they tossed him
 back to me as FIV+. I retested and sure enough. He had been incubating it for 
the months I had him fattening up and getting ready for his big day. Well, I 
still have Lancelot, mixed in with my regular gang because that's how he was 
when I took him home as a negative and he is still with me about 7 years later. 
Now, I know this is only FIV, not as serious as FeLv but still. You can't 
predict the future as far as will the cat some day turn positive for FeLv. You 
shouldn't spend much needed money testing and re-testing to make all the 
planets line up correctly. My three originally positive FeLv cats who turned 
negative are still with me. If anyone had wanted the ugly mutts, I would have 
cheered and given them away in a nanosecond. But no one wanted a dumb possum 
faced tabby or an all black cat with a sort of snake like face or Percy who had 
an attitude and lost the virus but not the attitude. Lest anyone try to get on 
me for calling them ugly mutts, hey I
 call it like it is. That doesn't mean I don't love them. I love ugly mutts the 
most. Even when they are cats.


 
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 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IFA tests/PCR tests
 

Margo,  I rescue too, and I've reached the same conclusion as you have.  
This testing and retesting doesn't let us know what is really going on. 
It is so discouraging, as well as extremely expensive when you have a
lot of rescued cats.  Believe me I'd like to stop rescuing too, but what 
do I do with the 30 cats I have now?  I can't just toss them out, and a 
shelter means certain death.  So I'm hoping no more cats will come my
way Yeah sure!!

Thanks for the info from UC Davis

Lorrie

On 08-14, Margo wrote:
 
 Hi Shelley,
 
         This is coming from a very disgruntled person so take it all with
         a grain of salt:)
 
         I have pretty much given up on test results as accomplishing
         anything. They seem just about useless in the long run, from my
         experience. For many years I ran a rescue in FL. I was fanatic
         about testing. Everyone was Elisa tested on intake, and again in
         three months, if we still had them. We offered follow-up testing
         to adopters. No positives were allowed to leave, and every one
         tested negative (both Elisa and IFA) at 3 months. I figured I was
         just very, very lucky.
 
         Fast forward. Two years ago I re-tested my whole population. Elisa
         negative. All of them. Just after that, I added a new cat. He was
         in quarantine for three months. Clean Elisa at both times. In
         March, he tested positive, after a very stressful bout of struvite
         stones. I was devastated. Now what? Well, since then one more (of
         my original household) has tested +. Another is likely. I'm not
         re-testing everyone. I'll test as they need to go in for the
         complications.
 
         Here's what Shelter Medicine (UC Davis) has to say about FeLV 
testing;
 
 What additional tests are available?
  
  Cats testing positive by the ELISA test on serum should ideally be
  retested either using an ELISA test from a different manufacturer or by
  sending the appropriate sample for an IFA test at a diagnostic
  laboratory. If both tests are positive, the cat is very likely
  persistently infected. To be absolutely certain, cats can be held and
  retested after 30 days if resources are available and the cat can be
  appropriately housed and isolated (for the protection of the cat and
  population; see below). Because the IFA is less sensitive (more prone to
  false negatives) than the ELISA test, a negative IFA result in a cat
  testing positive ELISA can not be taken as an indicator that the cat is
  not infected. If the ELISA test is positive but the IFA results in 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6

2013-08-12 Thread Lee Evans
Is Charles eating normally? If he is then it may not be FIP. Did she check his 
heart? Lasix can't hurt anyway. If it's not FIP it will take the pressure off.


 
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 From: Marci Greer frecklescras...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6
 


 

 

Hi everyone,
We took Charles (felv+) to the vet this morning and they did an xray of his 
chest, their is a lot of fluid in his chest cavity, she said it 
could possibly be a tumor. She gave him a shot of cortisone and a shot of 
Lasix, sent us home with Lasix pills as well.  I am hoping that 
the Lasix gets rid of all of the fluid and hopefully we can by some time if it 
is a tumor.  If anyone has any advise or thoughtsI don't want
to loose one of our babies.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7

2013-08-12 Thread Lee Evans
If he has an appetite and is doing normal things, like annoying you at the 
refrigerator, it may very well not be FIP. Do you have money to do an 
ultrasound scan? In Texas it costs anwhere from $200 to $300 but if you have a 
caring and compassionate vet, he may only charge $175. I have had a lot of 
success with diagnosing serious mystery illnesses with ultrasound. It's 
non-invasive. It will show abnormalities that x-ray sometimes misses. If 
Charles is not a very nervous cat when handled by vets and technicians he may 
be a good candidate for ultrasound. None of my cats had to be sedated for the 
procedure, just had their bellies shaved.  The nice thing is that you can be 
with him since it's not radioactive or harmful to humans. I stayed with my cat 
Bo Jangles when he had his ultrasound. Unfortunately, he was in the last stages 
of FIP but they also saw many small tumors in his organs. But at least the 
ultrasound was not scary to him. If you go this route be
 sure you get a veterinary physician who specializes in ultrasound and can read 
the results.


 
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 From: Marci Greer frecklescras...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 7
 


 

 Hi everyone,
 
Thanks so much for all your thoughts! Charles is slowly improving, his 
breathing is a lot better, he is still slow walking and moving around, I 
would say that is 
expected. We will do more x-rays when the fluid is hopefully gone to see more, 
and blood work.   Does anyone have any idea how long the fluid should take to 
get out? I
guess it would depend on how much fluid there is?  It is hard to see him so 
slow and grouchy! But on a positive note, when I was making his food to hide 
his pill in, he was rubbing on me, he was also trying to get in the 
refrigerator! Ha! Thanks again everyone so much!
 
Thanks
Marci, Allyn  Charles

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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6

2013-08-12 Thread Lee Evans
There is really no definitive lab test for FIP and most cats can come up with a 
high titer for the corona virus without showing any symptoms while others have 
a lot titer and may actually have the mutated form of the virus. It's a very 
aggravating disease because it keeps playing hide and seek.


 
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 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6
 

Hi Marcy,

I didn't get your original email, but did see Margo's response.
I seem to be having problems with only receiving some emails since recently 
joining this list.

I don't have much experience with FeLV related illnesses yet, but I just 
wanted to ask if they ruled out something like hypertrophic cardiomyopathy?  
Heart failure could cause fluid, and in that case, steroids should NOT be 
given.  But lasix can be given.
Since they already gave him a steroid shot, just keep a good eye on him.

My cat, years ago, was fine one day and then his chest became full of fluid.  
His only symptom was that he coughed a tiny bit 
as though he had a hairball, and he didn't want to eat his breakfast which was 
very out of character for him.  Lasix helped him.  
That was his only treatment.  They checked his heart at a later appt. and it 
was fine.  Initially they thought FIP, but it wasn't (we did a titer and it 
was neg.), and after that incident he was fine and lived many more years!  The 
vet didn't want to check the chest fluid at the time because
she had lost a cat doing that once, so she just used lasix.

My theory was that he had a heartworm, and the ivermectin that they gave him 
for ear mites  a week prior might have killed the
heartworm, and it broke up and caused the fluid...but will never know for 
sure.  This all happened shortly after I adopted him
as an adult cat.

Hope Charles begins to feel better. 

Shelley

On Aug 10, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Margo wrote:

 
 Hi Marcy,
  
             Sorry to hear Charles is having problems. In an FeLV positive 
boy, my first thought is lymphoma. While it isnt always FeLV related, the 
possiblity is there. I'd suggest joining the feline lymphoma list
  
 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline_lymphoma/
  
              and getting familiar with what you may be up against. Since 
Charles has not been formally diagnosed, it could be anything, so this would 
just be a way to learn of the different ways to diagnose and treat certain 
tumors. Here's a pretty concise description of the different ways lymphoma 
can manifest;
  
 http://www.fabcats.org/owners/cancer/lymphoma.html
  
               I will hope that it turns out to be something simply remedied, 
and not a tumor, but better to be prepared with what kind of treatment you 
are interested in, if any.
  
 All the best
  
 Margo
  
  
  
 -Original Message- 
 From: Marci Greer 
 Sent: Aug 10, 2013 2:40 PM 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 6 
 
 
  
 Hi everyone,
 We took Charles (felv+) to the vet this morning and they did an xray of his 
 chest, their is a lot of fluid in his chest cavity, she said it 
 could possibly be a tumor. She gave him a shot of cortisone and a shot of 
 Lasix, sent us home with Lasix pills as well.  I am hoping that 
 the Lasix gets rid of all of the fluid and hopefully we can by some time if 
 it is a tumor.  If anyone has any advise or thoughtsI don't want
 to loose one of our babies.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles fluid

2013-08-12 Thread Lee Evans
It's called Neoplasene for cancer. It does work some of the time but it did not 
work on Puss-Puss because her cancer was too advanced I think. She had a tumor 
that was coming from her hock bone. She didn't seem to mind the liquid though. 
My friend actually tasted a bit of it to see if it was horrendous but it 
wasn't. Her cat had an ear tumor but eventually died in spite of the 
Neoplasene. But it's probably good for squamous cell carcinoma on the surface 
of the skin.


 
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 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
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Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles  fluid
 

I have been involved with Lil Bit lately, so may have missed something.  I am 
on a cancer group and am using the black salve on my leg to get rid of a 
Lymphoma and taking a tonic.  This stuff seems to cure just about everything.  
It is bitter, but many of the members swear by it.  Could be it could help 
Charles. I use a 3ml syringe and shoot it into he side of her mouth and then 
stroke her throat to make her swallow it.  If you would like, I could 
recommend you for membership.

 Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: 
 Hi Marci,
 
 Depending on his condition, meaning if this fluid is going 
 to keep filling his lungs, you may have to continue using the
 lasix for the rest of his life.  Your vet will know and meanwhile
 keep a close eye on him.  I am so glad he is better for now.
 
 Lorrie
 
 
 On 08-12, Marci Greer wrote:
      Hi everyone,
  
     Thanks so much for all your thoughts! Charles is slowly improving, his
     breathing is a lot better, he is still slow walking and moving
     around, I would say that is expected. We will do more x-rays when the
     fluid is hopefully gone to see more, and blood work.  Does anyone have
     any idea how long the fluid should take to get out? I guess it would
     depend on how much fluid there is?  It is hard to see him so slow and
     grouchy! But on a positive note, when I was making his food to hide his
     pill in, he was rubbing on me, he was also trying to get in the
     refrigerator! Ha! Thanks again everyone so much!
  
     Thanks
     Marci, Allyn  Charles
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] introduction and some questions

2013-08-08 Thread Lee Evans

Hi. I have had experience with three FeLv+ cats turning to negative. You
 have to keep them for about 3 months, then retest with the SNAP non 
heartworm test. I had no idea that the three way test can cause a false 
positive. Anyway, have him retested with a fresh SNAP test and if it's 
negative, it's negative. I have three mixed in with my other cats and no
 problems so far. One has been there for six years and is getting old 
but that's the only problem he has experienced in his entire life after I
 took him in about 5 years ago. As for Interferon or any other major 
medication, if Leo is not having any symptoms, you don't have to stress 
him out with a whole lot of medication. The Lysine is a good preventive 
for several problems in cats so do give him that. There is a formula 
made just for cats. I tried dumping a 500mg capsule divided into their
 4 water bowls and the result was a boycott of the water. I tasted some 
of the lysine powder and it was awful, bitter. So much for an easy 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer

2013-08-08 Thread Lee Evans
Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately, Karen and I have both worked on this 
problem, I on the computer and Karen asking friends, rescuers and others for 
some help, mostly to no avail. The TNR group here is San Antonio Feral Cat 
Coalition. They do not have a shelter situation so get very little cat food 
donations. They have already contributed to her as much as they can but as I 
said, she has to feed these cats every day. She is getting free TNR 
certificates from Animal Care Services which is out local kill-everything 
shelter but the city came on board with kicking and screaming when we were 
trying to force the TNR idea into the animal laws. They finally accepted it 
when public opinion soared in favor and the local newspaper printed several 
articles in support and against what was taking place at the kill shelter (gas 
chamber). But that still leaves Karen without a car and without money to buy 
one if she doesn't get some donations to help with the cat
 food. It's not organizations I'm asking now, it's just individuals who can 
spare a few dollars to call in to Petsmart, Pet Supplies Plus and Petco to get 
her gift cards on file so she can purchase the cat food with at least a little 
help. She also has rent and utilities to pay, which is sucking money out of her 
paycheck and she is not eligible for any steady help from anywhere else because 
she has a job. 

 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer

2013-08-08 Thread Lee Evans
Yes, I have gone online (she has no computer, can't afford to buy one) and 
looked into the Pet Food Stamps program but since Karen has a job and is single 
she is not eligible. I seems like you have to be totally down and out to get 
any help, especially for animals. I can't get Medicaid because I am regularly 
paying a mortgage on a house and I desperately need dental work. So there you 
have it. The great American dream for those of us who actually are doing the 
right thing has turned into a nightmare. Can anyone help Karen with a donation 
of a gift card from a pet food supply store? That way she could save some of 
her hard earned money to make a down payment on something that she can drive to 
work and to her cat colonies every day, like she used to. She had just paid off 
the car she had when the transmission cracked. She didn't have air conditioning 
either and the windows stopped functioning. Needed another car even before the 
transmission went belly up.

 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer

2013-08-08 Thread Lee Evans
Great idea! I have a PayPal account which I need because I work from online in 
several different types of jobs and companies (independent contractor) so be 
sure to earmark it for Community Cats. That way I will be able to give her 
whatever donations come in. If you could post on Facebook, that would be even 
more of a help. My Facebook page is under my online name at a company I have 
been working for over 10 years and I'm not allowed to use it for private 
purposes. I don't have a FB page of my own. Facebook Phobia? Thanks again. I 
will get the info together and send it to you at your private email address.


 
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 From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer
 


If there is a paypal address that donations may be made to and passed to her, 
let me know and I will try to do some networking on FB.  I can also post a 
physical address that checks or gift cards can be mailed to if she doesn't 
mind that being out there (would need her full name, address, and someone's 
Paypal address for the first idea I mentioned, which I do think is most likely 
to draw contributions since then people can stop right there and contribute 
online before they forget).


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yes, I have gone online (she has no computer, can't afford to buy one) and 
looked into the Pet Food Stamps program but since Karen has a job and is 
single she is not eligible. I seems like you have to be totally down and out 
to get any help, especially for animals. I can't get Medicaid because I am 
regularly paying a mortgage on a house and I desperately need dental work. So 
there you have it. The great American dream for those of us who actually are 
doing the right thing has turned into a nightmare. Can anyone help Karen with 
a donation of a gift card from a pet food supply store? That way she could 
save some of her hard earned money to make a down payment on something that 
she can drive to work and to her cat colonies every day, like she used to. She 
had just paid off the car she had when the transmission cracked. She didn't 
have air conditioning either and the windows stopped functioning. Needed 
another car even before the transmission went belly up.

 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer

2013-08-08 Thread Lee Evans


 Need to call her and get her permission to do that and get her full address. I 
know how to go there but don't know the full address. Back to you in a while. 
This laptop is overheated and need to shut down.

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 From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2013 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer
 


 

 
Hi Lee,
 
   I tried to send you a private email, but I guess it went 
astray. If you could email me privaely with Karen's full name and a delivery 
address, I can help with food.
 
Margo
 
-Original Message- 
From: Lee Evans 
Sent: Aug 8, 2013 12:22 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer 


Great idea! I have a PayPal account which I need because I work from online 
in several different types of jobs and companies (independent contractor) so 
be sure to earmark it for Community Cats. That way I will be able to give her 
whatever donations come in. If you could post on Facebook, that would be even 
more of a help. My Facebook page is under my online name at a company I have 
been working for over 10 years and I'm not allowed to use it for private 
purposes. I don't have a FB page of my own. Facebook Phobia? Thanks again. I 
will get the info together and send it to you at your private email address.



 
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[Felvtalk] Desperate Rescuer

2013-08-07 Thread Lee Evans
This is probably not allowed on this list but I can't just stand by and see my 
friend Karen suffer. She has been feeding about 16 outdoor colonies. She 
watches over the health and welfare of these cats as if they were her own house 
cats. Recently, she has had a really bad run of luck. She rescued a cat who 
needed over $1,000 dollars in eye surgery. i have him now and the surgery saved 
his one remaining eye. Otherwise, he would have been a totally blind cat. She 
also rescued a cat who was bone thin and  combo tested positive for both FIV 
and FeLv cat. She spent several hundred dollars curing him of mange and anemia. 
I fostered the cat and he turned negative for FeLv. He's now in my FIV room 
with 4 other FIV+ cats. Karen has rescued and found homes for over a hundred 
hard case cats, including 3 FeLv+ cats who did not turn. One of them is still 
alive and enjoying life as a healthy pampered puss with a lovely lady. The cat 
is over  6 years old now. Karen
 works an 8 hour a day job. The trouble is that she spends all her pay on 
feeding the colony cats and her three remaining indoor cats. She has spent over 
$1,000 for a cat she rescued and took into her own house and who after a year, 
developed a malignant tumor in her ear canal. The cat lived with it for several 
months, on medication and vitamins until she passed away suddenly one 
afternoon. And now, another disaster has hit my friend. He car died. She has 
been relying on friends and neighbors to get her to work but she is struggling 
with the cat colony feeding and is running out of money to feed them and even 
to buy her own food. She needs help and there is very little available in San 
Antonio where we both live. I am almost at the poverty level myself, with an 
online job that pays sporadically and two other jobs which are exhausting 
because they involve a lot of driving and delivering so I can't help Karen 
financially. I have over 3 dozen cats of my own
 to deal with. Karen spends more than $70 a week every week. At that rate she 
will never be able to replace her car, even with a junker.  Is there any help 
out there for Karen before she goes under? I was thinking that if people could 
donate pet food gift cards to her that would help alleviate some of the expense 
of feeding the colonies. One person has already done this by calling Petsmart 
and purchasing a gift card over the phone with his credit card. He then 
notified Karen that he had done this and the next time she went to the store, 
they told her she had a gift card credit. I think that all pet food stores have 
this system now. Anyway, if you are able to help, even a few dollars would be a 
blessing. I'm sorry to bother the list with this problem as we are all 
struggling with vet bills for our special needs cats but I am watching my 
friend get more and more depressed and desperate every day and I can't just 
stand by and do nothing. Lots of cats are
 depending on her for their very lives. Thanks for reading this long post. 
Contact me off list if you can help. 

 
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT-diatomaceous earth - warning

2013-07-02 Thread Lee Evans
It is created as a calcium supplement (the same as ground up egg shells). It's 
used as a calcium supplement for farm animals and dogs. As long as it's being 
mixed into wet food it's not a desiccant. It's only when it's inhaled or spread 
as a powder on skin that it has that effect. However, I have never tried 
feeding it to the cats to prevent fleas. Years ago, brewers yeast was supposed 
to be good at preventing fleas when fed to cats. It did absolutely nothing 
except annoy my cats and get me scratched a few times. 


 
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Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT-diatomaceous earth - warning
 


 
I know someone that FEEDS it to her cats. That can't be good after hearing 
your experience. If it's a desiccant, then I would think it might cause 
internal damage. Anyone know anything about that?

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 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT-diatomaceous earth - warning
 
 I was really thinking of using it in the yard and on the deck and seeing how 
 that worked.  So far last year and this year we have had NO FLEA OR TICK 
 PROBLEMS.  The cats only go out on the deck, except Harley.  He goes into 
 the woods, but has only had 2 ticks and no sign of fleas.  KNOCK ON WOOD.
  nOW IF THERE WAS A SOLUTION FOR BUFFALO GNATS.  They raise huge welts on me 
 and so I spend most of my time indoors until they are gone.  They usually 
 disappear when it starts getting hot.
 
  janine paton patonjan...@sbcglobal.net wrote: 
  I am sorry, I haven't been following this thread but caught the 
  diatomaceous warning.  Hoping they still make this, but 1-800-flea busters 
  out of FL. is my favorite product to use.  It's a little work, but I think 
  I was over zealous the first year.  Third yr I used it, I was not so 
  diligent, but it worked just fine.  It is safe, and it lasts a year and 
  that's the real bonus.  Takes a few weeks to work, but it really does.  
 
 Janine 
 
 
 
  From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 5:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT-diatomaceous earth - warning
 
 
 Very scary Beth,  Thanks for the warning.
 
 
 On 07-01, Beth wrote:
     I don't want to start a barrage of OT emails with this post. Just a
     quick warnng to be careful
     I tried the food grade diatomaceous earth this weekend to try to stop
     the fleas. I have all hardwood floors - really old ones, with lots of
     crevices for the flea eggs to hide in.
     I wore a good sanding mask which blocks small particles. I opened the
     windows (as many as I could without danger of the cats getting out).
     I sprinkled it in the product on the floors using a sieve. I gently
     swept it into the cracks in the floor in my bedroom  hallway. If did
     not create any visible dust clouds, etc.
     I went outside, took the mask off  sat for a bit.
     When I went back inside I could not breath. My mouth immediately became
     parched  my throat started closing.
     I grabbed some water  went back outside.
     I spent the rest of the day with the mask back on washing the floors
     trying to get rid of the stuff.
     Please be careful. I am a very active, relatively young  person. I
     don't have breathing issues.  This was quite scary.
     In addition to the breathing issues, some of it got on my skin  it
     just burned.
     Again, yes, this was the food grade kind.
     I know people on this list use it  have no problems. That's great. But
     if you have not tried it, please be careful if you do. Try it in a very
     small area, first.
     I guess I will go back to vacuuming  flea combing.
     I may use the rest in the yard since most of the problem seems to be my
     dog bringing them in from outside.
     Beth
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2013-07-02 Thread Lee Evans
Losing an FeLv+ cat either by the cat passing away or wandering away is not a 
good reason to leave this list. At the present time I don't have any FeLv+ cats 
living with me although I have a few FIV+ ones. But I have not quit the list 
because new information is always cropping up and it's good to know it for the 
future. Also, these people feel like friends, as well as other issues are 
always discussed that effect cats in general. 


 
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Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 


Patricia -

Have you put up flyers around your complex?
I had a cat escape when some workers were working at a condo I used to live 
at. We didn't see him for a week, but still put out food  let all the 
neighbors know. A neighbor spotted him  we found he was living in a crack 
between 2 buildings. I had to hire a professional pet rescuer to get him. out. 
It took 2 weeks to get him back.
I really had thought I would never see him again, but, my vet told me to keep 
looking. She said cats rarely ever go far.
I hope you find your baby.

Beth



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Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 8:15 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 


Hi, 
 
I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions.  My cat, William (as in 
Shakespeare) ran away last month.  I just hope that he found a loving family.  
When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone to come to my house 
just in case he returned home.  I live in a townhouse community so every house 
looks the same and he never left the house before.  I will probably get 
another high needs cat.  I adopted William knowing that he had leukemia.  
Basically I want to adopt a cat that no one else wants.  Wishing all of the 
best to the members of the group.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Leaving the group

2013-07-02 Thread Lee Evans
Terri - I just love that Tomato Vampire that you added to Siggie angel's name. 
I still have a vampire cat. He's a bread vampire. I cannot leave an unguarded 
loaf of bread anywhere in sight. He once got into the laundry room where I left 
a couple of bags of groceries, including a bag with a loaf of whole wheat 
bread. When I returned, you can guess what had happened. Bread EVERYWHERE! 
Slices on the washing machine, on the dryer, mixed in with a turned over bag of 
clothes to be washed, all with bite marks. The Bread Vampire had struck big 
time. His real name is Bitsie. A tuxedo darling. I wouldn't trade him for all 
the loaves of bread in Whole Foods Market.


 
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 From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leaving the group
 


 
I haven't had any FeLV+ cats since 2005, and I'm still lurking about!
 
This is the best list -- some of the folks here have been here a long 
time.
 
=^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, 
Samantha, 
    
Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire =^..^=
- Original Message - 
From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 7:01 
PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leaving the  group

Absolutely right Lee.  I love this group and I'd never  leave even
if I lost my last FelV cat.

Lorrie

On 07-02, Lee 
  Evans wrote:
    Losing an FeLv+ cat either by the cat 
  passing away or wandering away is
    not a good reason 
  to leave this list. At the present time I don't have
    
  any FeLv+ cats living with me although I have a few FIV+ ones. But 
  I
    have not quit the list because new information is 
  always cropping up
    and it's good to know it for the 
  future. Also, these people feel like
    friends, as 
  well as other issues are always discussed that effect 
  cats
    in general.
 
    
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    neighbors 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts

2013-07-01 Thread Lee Evans


 
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts
 


Convenia is an excellent long term antibiotic that tends to help chronic 
conditions like stomatitis and chronic diarrhea because it keeps the bacteria 
down and gives the cat's own immune system a little rest with the continuing 
battle. That increases the immune system's strength. Also, try giving liquid 
vitamin such as Nutraved with iron and B vitamins. With all chronic 
conditions, it's very important to keep stress out of the lives of the cats. 
Yelling, anger, grief, any negative emotions that are present in the household 
will take a toll on a cat's emotions also. They are very sensitive. That's why 
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Re: [Felvtalk] goodby little one

2013-07-01 Thread Lee Evans
She found warmth, food, love and compassion. She lived happily for a short time 
but that's better than living miserably for a long time. She was surrounded by 
people who understood her plight and didn't allow her to suffer. It may not 
have been a long life, but I'm sure for her it was a perfect one. Hugs and 
blessings to you.


 
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Cc: Karen Harshbarger harshbargerka...@yahoo.com 
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] goodby little one
 

At least she had love with you, that is so important, to know that someone 
cares.

 Karen Harshbarger harshbargerka...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 It is with a sad heart that I remember a little cat that came into our lives 
 one cold winter morning this past winter.  She lost her battle with feline 
 leukemia last night.  Little Squirt --- later to become Penelope (Penny) 
 squeezed her way into our outside kennel and into our hearts.  She was sick 
 and needed help, shelter and love; which we gave without question.  With 
 medical care, she seemed to become better. We already had so many cats, so I 
 put out a cry for help and assistance.  Panora P.E.T.S.. (bless their 
 hearts) offered to take her and her brother to try to help them find a 
 forever home.  They found them a foster home while waiting, but soon learned 
 that Penelope had to leave her brother for a new foster home and a cat 
 friend (that also has feline leukemia) because it was discovered she had 
 feline leukemia.  She seemed to be doing okay, but this horrible illness 
 finely claimed her life.  I remember a beautiful sweet loving cat that
 was so tiny
  and loved to be cuddled and cradled like a baby in my arms.  Hopefully her 
friend that she made hereour other cat (Tig) that also lost his battle to 
this horrible illnessare now playing together in cat heaven and never 
know illness or pain again---nothing but happiness.  Poor little Penelope 
never found her forever home here on earthbut I know she at least found 
love from all of those that tried to help her, including us.  I cried when we 
took her to Panora but knew they could give her a better chance of finding a 
inside loving home.  Penelope---know we will always love you and Tig, and you 
will forever be in our hearts.


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Re: [Felvtalk] OT-diatomaceous earth - warning

2013-07-01 Thread Lee Evans
It does have a drying effect on human skin so be sure to wash your hands, arms, 
whatever it contacts. That's how this stuff works. It dries out the fleas. 
Their underside is soft and it simply dehydrates them like prunes. Don't use a 
flour sifter. What I did was take a tablespoon and place it on my shed floor 
(where the fleas were really rocking and rolling and the cats were itching and 
scritching) and with a regular broom swept it slowly and gently from side to 
side and into the baseboard around the floor. I have lino but it's also old and 
slight separations between the each glued down part. So then I kept the cats 
out for 24 hours (do in good weather if you have an outside enclosure attached 
to a cat room) and next day, no polka dots on my pants, no flea bites. Yes, you 
can spread it outside but again, don't poof it into the air if you are 
sensitive and don't do on windy day.  Flea Busters is also good but it's boric 
acid or borax, not good for cats
 to lick from their fur. With diatomaceous earth, you don't have to wait 
several days. Fleas are gone over night. However, make sure you don't inhale or 
you will get all dried out.

 
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 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
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Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT-diatomaceous earth - warning
 

I was really thinking of using it in the yard and on the deck and seeing how 
that worked.  So far last year and this year we have had NO FLEA OR TICK 
PROBLEMS.  The cats only go out on the deck, except Harley.  He goes into the 
woods, but has only had 2 ticks and no sign of fleas.  KNOCK ON WOOD.
nOW IF THERE WAS A SOLUTION FOR BUFFALO GNATS.  They raise huge welts on me 
and so I spend most of my time indoors until they are gone.  They usually 
disappear when it starts getting hot.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Callie

2013-06-25 Thread Lee Evans
Have you had her tested yet?


 
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 From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
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Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Callie
 

The hardest part is that this was preventable. Not all accidents are,
but when they are, they feel all the more tragic. 

I'm talking to an alternative medicine vet at 3:30 to see if she thinks
DMG would be a good idea. I'd prefer to get the go-ahead from a
professional. Really, it's up to Callie's immune system to recognize the
virus and react appropriately. I want to be hopeful, but I'm so
concerned and depressed that it's hard to not despair. I am trying to
tell myself that being positive is the only way forward, but it doesn't
always stick, especially when I wake up and remember what's happening. 

I appreciate the kind words and support that I've gotten here. 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Callie

2013-06-25 Thread Lee Evans
Loose stools are really not a sign of a cat going FeLv+. It could be just about 
anything - from eating something different to stress to an unrelated bug that 
you brought in with you from outside. Really Lance, you can't keep a cat in a 
sterile bubble. I'm not saying that a bite from a positive cat is not serious 
but most cats who are well cared for, have enough immunity to ward off anything 
serious from a bite. In addition, Ember is not active for leukemia. She has 
tested positive. Yes, she could spread it through fighting and biting but it's 
more likely that she didn't.


 
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 From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Callie
 

Me too. I'm not trying to downplay your feelings at all. I just hate to see 
you be so hard on yourself over this. I tend to do the same and I just need 
someone to point it out. Give positive vibes, it will help her more than you 
being stressed(-:
Take care

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On Jun 24, 2013, at 7:12 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 Thanks, everyone. Please keep our tabby girl (Callie) in your thoughts and 
 prayers. A bite is very serious, and I suspect that the loose stools mean 
 she's dealing with the infection. Hoping she ends up as a negative.
 
 Lance
 
 On Jun 24, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Lance
 We don't have control over everything. C'mon, yours on this list, that 
 means you love your cat! And as far as I'm concerned, anybody that loves 
 cats the way all of us do, is a damn good human being. -:
 
 Sent from my absolutely outstanding iphone(:
 
 
 On Jun 24, 2013, at 12:07 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 Please pray for my mom's cat, Callie. I mentioned her here a few weeks
 ago, after my FeLV+ cat, Ember, bit Callie when she accidentally got
 into Ember's room. Callie has had soft stools for the last four days,
 and there was blood on her stool on Saturday. Since Callie hasn't been
 vaccinated since she was a kitten, she probably has no immunity from
 that route. She is 7 years old, and I'm hoping that she'll be able to
 deal with the virus better having a more mature immune system. People
 talk about age resistance with FeLV, but I don't think it can be
 relied on.
 
 I'm dealing with an incredible amount of guilt over this. I love Callie
 like I love Ember. She's one of my favorite cats ever. It was my fault
 that she got into Ember's room, and it's my fault that Ember is still
 here with my parents. It's also my fault that we didn't vaccinate
 Callie, as I worried about vax site sarcoma for Callie, and the few
 run-ins that had happened between the two cats over the last seven years
 were always brief and friendly. I also feel guilty as, if I'd just
 gotten in the room (quite literally) a minute or so sooner, this
 wouldn't have happened. 
 
 Please pray that Callie can fight the virus so that she isn't
 persistently infected, and please pray for me. I'm dealing with a lot. 
 
 Thanks,
 
 Lance
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba

2013-06-24 Thread Lee Evans


 
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 From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
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Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 5:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba
 


Hi Beth - I just had a similar problem with Percy. He's a cat who originally 
tested FeLv+ but turned to negative after 3 months of intensive care, feeding, 
vitamins, and vet treatment. So a couple of weeks ago, he suddenly stopped 
eating. He was a real fatso and lost about 2 pounds in 2 weeks. Took to vet 
for what looked like eye infection. Poor cat had a 103 fever. Since Percy is a 
difficult boy to pill (unless you like bitten fingers and scratched arms) the 
vet gave him Convenia, a long acting antibiotic injection. In 3 days he was 
eating, grooming and acting normal (being a pest when I scooped the litter box 
and standing on my foot). He still isn't up to par though. I can feel his 
backbone which is not good since he originally looked like a furry whale. I'm 
still concerned with his health but so far, he's gobbling up his food 
normally. Ask your vet about Convenia. It's not for everyone but it is for 
caregivers who want to survive caring for an ill
 and ill tempered cat.



 
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Re: [Felvtalk] We let Bubba go.

2013-06-24 Thread Lee Evans
I know you feel pain and grief but be happy that Bubba is not in pain and not 
feeling uncomfortable any more. You did the unselfish thing. 


 
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 From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] We let Bubba go.
 


I'm so sorry Beth. It's always so hard to let them go. They bring so much to 
our lives. Bury him in your heart.
Take care Beth
Marcia

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On Jun 24, 2013, at 7:42 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:


We did the ultrasound Friday. It showed enlarged spleen  kidneys. Vet thinks 
spleen was probably cancerous. I was not putting him through any more. He had 
just been laying around for 2 1/2 weeks, mostly having to be force fed. I did 
that with my 1st FeLV  I said I would never do it again. I did it at 1st 
because he had a URI  I knew he could get over that. But once that was gone 
he didn't get better as far as activity  eating.
It was a really sad decision. I had had a tough time with him at first 
because he peed on everything. Thanks to some things I learned from watching 
Jackson Galaxy we got him out of that habit  he was becoming a total 
sweetheart. He just loved to walk up to you an put his head against you. 
Some hit you harder than others. This was pretty difficult. The lady who 
found him is having him cremated for me.


Thanks guys for just being there.


Beth

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Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba

2013-06-13 Thread Lee Evans
For fleas in your house you might want to use FOOD GRADE diatomaceous earth. Be 
sure it's the food grade, not the other type because the non-food grade can get 
into the lungs and cause all sorts of problems. I had a major flea infestation 
in my outside enclosure shed which is home to ten cats who are inappropriate 
for house living. My friend gave me a bag of food grade diatomaceous earth 
which I spread on the floor of the shed and swept it on in a very thin layer. I 
closed the shed door for that day and night (good weather so the cats could be 
in their outside completely escape proof area. The next day, when I went into 
the shed and then stepped outside, there were no nasty black little specks 
hopping on my pants leg. Nothing. The fleas were gone. It was then easier for 
the Frontline Plus I use on the cats to do its thing. I even treated part of 
their yard with the stuff with excellent results and no harmful chemicals. The 
food grade diatomaceous earth
 is used as a supplement in feed for cows, horses and dogs so even if the cats 
lick it off their fur, it will do no harm. It's a calcium supplement. It's 
excellent for treating carpets and if you don't mind a grey sheen on your lino 
or wood floors, it's good for that also. For floors, sweep it around the 
woodwork along the walls and down into crevices where the lino doesn't fit so 
well against the wall, if you have that problem. It's great for dark closets 
and behind appliances, even for treating sofas and futons, if you vacuum it out 
after a few hours. Diatomaceous earth works on the principle of dehydrating the 
soft underside of the flea. What you end up with is a dead, dehydrated flea. It 
works on any insect that has a soft underside. 


 
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 From: JC microscopicwin...@yahoo.com
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Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba
 


He's in my thoughts and prayers, as are you..

--- On Wed, 6/12/13, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:


From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, June 12, 2013, 12:59 PM


Poor Bubba! I'm sorry he's having such a rough time, and a rude bite on the 
tail to top it off. Hopefully he can clear the Hemobart and move on. I'll add 
him to the purrayers list.


Best wishes to you and Bubba,


Lance


On Jun 12, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hey guys need some positive energy for one of my FeLV fosters - Bubba. He had 
been battling a URI. Tried a couple different antibiotics, and finally, after 
a week the URI cleared   he started eating on his own last Sunday. Well as 
soon as I took him off the Doxy he started going down again. 
We went to the shelter this afternoon  thankfully they had a wonderful vet 
volunteering who has experience in FeLV kitties.
We're wondering now if he has Hemobart since he starting going down after 
withdrawing the Doxy. His gums were pink, though. I've had a constant battle 
with fleas. Advantage was no longer working so I switched  Frontline, but 
that
 doesn't seem to be working well either.
He got fluids, more Doxy, Prenisone, Cyproheptadine, Capstar  AD. 
On top of that it looks like he has a cat bite o
 his tail. Poor baby. Going to go home tonight  spend some one-on-one time 
with him.
Just being able to talk to you guys about these babies really helps. At 
least I feel like someone understands how helpless I feel sometimes.

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Re: [Felvtalk] PJ needs a home

2013-06-10 Thread Lee Evans
It would not be right to send him in cargo and the very long road trip would be 
stressful. Could you get some donations to fly him with a person as their pet 
in an airline regulation carrier? I would be willing to contribute $10 to that 
cause. He actually may turn from FeLv+ to just FIV+ if kept for two months and 
retested. You can also contact Best Friends. They may donate his airfare or 
part of it. Cargo could be a death sentence for a cat who needs a stable 
environment. Sometimes it's not climate controlled and is either sweltering or 
freezing. Crated dogs could bark all the way from NJ. It's like cat hell. I'm 
in San Antonio, TX, have 2 cats who tested neg. for FeLv after being kept for 
two months and re-tested. Wish I could take the sweet boy but I have 40 cats 
here in my foster/forever/rescued group.


 
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Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 6:21 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] PJ needs a home
 


My rescue trapped PJ, who is not feral but is timid, and he needs a home. He 
is orange and double positive and 4-5 years old. He is in NJ.

Best Friends has, miraculously, agreed to take him, and if we cannot find him 
a home we will send him there within the month. However, he will have to 
endure either being flown by cargo and then driven several hours, or being 
driven 3-5 days via ground transport with many different drivers. It's across 
the country. This is hard enough for a negative cat, but I am afraid that 
level of stress for an already timid cat will crash him given his status. 
Right now, though, it is our only option.

So I am writing the list one more time in case there is someone out there 
within a reasonable distance of NJ who would be interested in adopting him. He 
seems fine with other cats. I do not think he will ever be a lap cat, but he 
might. He does love being brushed-- will get up and turn around to get us to 
brush his other side, lol. But he stays in a corner and is scared. 

I can send a picture to anyone interested.

thanks,

Michelle L.
Flanders, NJ

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Re: [Felvtalk] PJ needs a home

2013-06-10 Thread Lee Evans
http://www.gofundme.com/35qsb0 You might want to try raising money for PJ using 
this online service. It's free. We just raised over $200 for surgery on the 
broken leg of a poor little stray Chihuahua mix.


 
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2013 6:21 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] PJ needs a home
 


My rescue trapped PJ, who is not feral but is timid, and he needs a home. He 
is orange and double positive and 4-5 years old. He is in NJ.

Best Friends has, miraculously, agreed to take him, and if we cannot find him 
a home we will send him there within the month. However, he will have to 
endure either being flown by cargo and then driven several hours, or being 
driven 3-5 days via ground transport with many different drivers. It's across 
the country. This is hard enough for a negative cat, but I am afraid that 
level of stress for an already timid cat will crash him given his status. 
Right now, though, it is our only option.

So I am writing the list one more time in case there is someone out there 
within a reasonable distance of NJ who would be interested in adopting him. He 
seems fine with other cats. I do not think he will ever be a lap cat, but he 
might. He does love being brushed-- will get up and turn around to get us to 
brush his other side, lol. But he stays in a corner and is scared. 

I can send a picture to anyone interested.

thanks,

Michelle L.
Flanders, NJ

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Re: [Felvtalk] from: Sherri Meschke subject: Spam??

2013-06-08 Thread Lee Evans
i always delete any email that has just a link and is from a group of which I 
am a member. Don't need any more viruses.


 
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] from: Sherri Meschke subject: Spam??
 


 
Hi everyone, just wanted to let you know that I have been getting  some spam 
from this group, please all members check if some of you might have a virus in 
your computers. This is the second time I receive a link  with a weird address 
that has nothing to do FeLV. The first one was from another member.


Take care and thanks for your time,


Michéle :)




Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 14:47:48 -0700
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Subject: [Felvtalk] from: Sherri Meschke subject:


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Re: [Felvtalk] prayers

2013-06-07 Thread Lee Evans
The scabs are most likely a flea allergy or some other type of allergy. I have 
a cat who was covered with the scabs. Flea treated him several times during a 6 
month period, scabs were much less. He still gets them occasionally but nothing 
like the first time. He's a long hair so probably gets a few more fleas than a 
short hair. As for not eating, if that persists, try syringe feeding him or buy 
some KFC regular chicken (not spicy) and see if he reacts with an appetite. You 
have to realize that when a cat is positive for FIV or FeLv and gets sick, it 
is most likely just a cat who got sick and is not related to the FIV or FeLv. 
But the vet will pounce on a diagnosis of Oh, it's because he's FIV+ or FeLv+ 
when most likely it's an upset stomach or an URI, just like any other cat would 
get.  Positive energy from the Universe coming your way for Cole. 


 
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 2:30 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] prayers
 


Just need some prayers tonight for Cole.  He tested positive along with his 
brothers for feline leukemia about 3 months ago.  The have all been doing 
pretty good, eating well, playing, happy and loving, etc.  But then two of his 
brothers started having problems with scab like bumps and the vet doesn't seem 
to know what it is.  Now Cole refused to eat his supper tonight and I am so 
worried for him and his brothers.  They are due for their second test in about 
a week.  They were doing so good I was hoping that they would test negative 
and was able to fight their exposure.  But now with this I am so afraid for 
them.  And not eating is the worst, cause I am so afraid he won't start eating 
again.  Please say a prayer for him that it is just a little normal stomach 
upset and tomorrow he will clean his plate at breakfast.  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: prayers

2013-06-07 Thread Lee Evans
Throwing up and not eating may be from hairballs, especially if it's the bubbly 
phlem type of throw up. Try to think simple. If a cat who was negative for 
everything had this situation happen, you probably would think simple situation 
first. Try a hairball remedy like Petromalt or Laxitone before rushing out and 
spending hundreds of dollars. One of my foster cats, real fat girl, suddenly 
stopped eating, was dragging her hind quarters. Thought it might have been 
paralysis, all sorts of nightmarish things but then decided maybe she was 
constipated. Yup! After several hefty doses of Petromalt, she plopped a big 
one, threw up a giant hairball mess and started eating like a fat girl 
again.I'm not saying that you shouldn't take him to the vet but try the simple 
stuff first. Then if in a day it doesn't work, take to vet but don't diagnose 
him yourself and assume it's because he's FeLv+.


 
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To: Carmack Alicia acarm...@dom.wustl.edu; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; jkd...@gmail.com jkd...@gmail.com 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 3:26 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: prayers
 


Okay, now my request for prayers has turned to a plea for help!  See below 
what is going on with Cole tonight.  Now he is throwing up white bubbly phlem 
besides refusing to eat.  I am getting so worried about him.  How can he go 
from playing, happy, eating, etc; to not eating anything and throwing up so 
quickly!  I don't know who to turn to, what to do, or which vet to go to (Dr 
Dill--our caring 50year experienced vet that tends to do things the more old 
fashioned way, Allgood Vet in Burlington that we just started seeing sometimes 
for blood tests so I am not sure how experienced they are with feline leukemia 
or take him to the 24 hour 7 day a week emergency in Iowa City that wasn't 
able to help Tig, although he may have been to far along for any help, but 
they are very expensive and I am not sure how much more vet bills I can 
afford) ; and I am so scared for Cole.  I have already lost Tig and so 
quicklyI just can't loose Cole now too so
 soon.  I hope to be more proactive with Cole and nip this in the bud before it 
takes over and the leukemia kicks in full force---I so want to give him a few 
more happy years that he so deserves.  Anyone have any ideas?  I am so not good 
at this and need help.  I worry that I should have been doing more already, but 
they all seemed to be doing pretty good so I hated to be pumping a bunch of 
medicine into them before they needed it---but guess this is where I failed.  
When Ash got some scabs scratched off and was bleeding, I took him to the vet 
for medicine so he would not get infection.  But if they were doing good I 
thought all I needed to do was make sure they got a good balanced diet and 
love.  Many of you talk of inferion, but that sure didn't seem to help Tig at 
all---it actually seem to make him worse faster, so I guess I am afraid of 
that.  But I am so very worried about Cole and would really appreciate hearing 
your suggestions  My email
 is harshbargerka...@yahoo.com for those of you that don't have it.  Thanks, 
Karen


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Subject: prayers
 


Just need some prayers tonight for Cole.  He tested positive along with his 
brothers for feline leukemia about 3 months ago.  The have all been doing 
pretty good, eating well, playing, happy and loving, etc.  But then two of his 
brothers started having problems with scab like bumps and the vet doesn't seem 
to know what it is.  Now Cole refused to eat his supper tonight and I am so 
worried for him and his brothers.  They are due for their second test in about 
a week.  They were doing so good I was hoping that they would test negative 
and was able to fight their exposure.  But now with this I am so afraid for 
them.  And not eating is the worst, cause I am so afraid he won't start eating 
again.  Please say a prayer for him that it is just a little normal stomach 
upset and tomorrow he will clean his plate at breakfast.  


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Re: [Felvtalk] struggling tonight

2013-06-07 Thread Lee Evans
It's OK Karen. We all panic when our not-so-normal cats get sick because we 
assume that it's the FIV+ or FeLv+ that has kicked in and is going to deprive 
them of their little bit of happiness but I have learned to center myself and 
think positively about cat illness. First I try something obvious, that I would 
with an ordinary cat. In the case of throwing up and not eating, I try 
Petromalt, a hairball and constipation remedy. It's inexpensive and sometimes 
after a few hefty doses, the cat it cured. I also feel ears. Are they hot? Nose 
dry and too warm? That's a sign of fever. Take to vet and get a Convenia shot, 
a long acting antibiotic. Give your cats a feline vitamin compound with iron to 
build up the blood and prevent anemia. Open his mouth and see if his gums and 
tongue are pink, like a normal cat. Flea treat with Frontline Plus for fleas so 
no flea anemia gets him. But also reserve the option of taking him to the vet. 
You don't need massive blood
 tests and other tests. Most cats will respond to an antibiotic, even those who 
are positive for something. Your CRF cat is different. You need to take to vet 
at first sign of illness or at least call the vet and describe the symptoms. 
Cats don't like being hauled to the vet. Stress on top of not feeling well 
makes things worse.


 
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 From: Karen Harshbarger harshbargerka...@yahoo.com
To: feline_ane...@yahoogroups.com feline_ane...@yahoogroups.com; 
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Subject: [Felvtalk] struggling tonight
 


Hi,  I joined all of these group cause I have kittys with all of these 
illnesses---one with CRF, 4 with feline leukemia, and little Tig that I lost 
had very bad anemia/feline leukemia/upper respiratory/etc.etc. and 
unfortunately I know that Anemia is probably coming for my 4 kittys with 
feline leukemia---just a matter of when. My kitty with CRF has slight anemia.  
I have 5 other cats that live with me and there are 2 little ones that 
recently showed up on my patio.
 
 Tonight I am sitting up with one of my kitties that has feline leukemia 
because he is sick he is throwing up white bubbly phlem and would not eat 
tonight.  (before tonight, he was doing so good I thought that he might be one 
of the lucky ones that would fight off this awful illness before his second 
test)  
 
Cole is very sick and I am very very worried about him and just trying to 
figure out what I am going to do next so that I don't loose him like I lost 
his brother little Tig recently
 
As I read through all the posts I realize that there are a lot of caring 
people out there trying very hard to do what I am doingkeep their cats as 
happy and healthy as they can and with them as long as they can.  It is a good 
thing that there are so many caring people, but a sad thing that there are so 
many sick little cats.  .I also wonder how all of you afford to get all the 
tests and medicines, as I am really struggling with that and not sure how I am 
financially going to keep up and worry that I am not doing all that I can or 
should cause I can't afford to do all these expensive blood tests, etc or a 
regular basis. so that better diagnosis can be done.  I also worry that the 
vets around here are not up on all the latest things to help my little ones 
with all their illnesses.and that I am not smart enough to understand it all 
to figure out if the vet is doing the right thing.  I some times worry, 
especially nights like this when I sit up
 tired and very worried with a sick little cat that I did not know enough or do 
enough for little Tig, causing him to leave this world at only 11 months old.  
I also worry that I am not giving these little guys all that they need. 
 
Would love hearing any suggestions.  Sorry about the rambling.  I am just 
struggling to find direction as I sit up with poor little sick Cole as he 
struggles with this awful illness.    Thanks, Karen 
harshbargerka...@yahoo.com
 
   
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Re: [Felvtalk] treatment before symptoms

2013-06-06 Thread Lee Evans
Ugh! I hate terminology although I do understand some of it from being a 
medical transcriber in human medical practice. The gist of the paper is that 
using AZT and other human drugs on a cat can be risky and should not be done 
except under the control of a veterinary specialist. Your cat could become 
jaundiced because most of these drugs have bad side effects on liver and 
kidneys if given in too large a dose and no effect in the disease if given in 
too small a dose. Why not just wait and see what happens and not subject your 
cat to something experimental and possibly dangerous?


 
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 From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] treatment before symptoms
 

Along those lines, I found this article, Discovery of drugs that possess 
activity against feline leukemia virus.

http://vir.sgmjournals.org/content/93/Pt_4/900.full.pdf

Almost all of the terminology in the paper is beyond me, but what I do 
understand makes me think that we could have potential treatment options for 
FeLV at some point in the near future. These drugs are available now; we just 
need someone to fund (the sticking point, I'm guessing) trials.

This is my last post for tonight. Probably.

On Jun 5, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 I'm wondering if anyone has ever attempted treatment of a potentially 
 infected cat before the cat showed symptoms or tested positive. Would immune 
 boosters help, or would  we be playing with fire and possibly making things 
 worse? It seems like a vet who has done a lot of work with FeLV cats might 
 have done this.
 
 Along those lines, has anyone actually had a cat on Mega-C who then appeared 
 to suppress or eradicate the virus?
 
 I'm kind of thinking out loud here, and hopefully not bugging anyone. It 
 seems to me that the progress of research into FeLV is woefully glacial.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Clavamox aka Augmentin

2013-06-06 Thread Lee Evans
You would have to take a whole lot of Clavamox to make up the mgs. that you 
would need. Augmentin is a much higher mg. dose than what is given to cats.But 
then again, you could take as many pills to make up the difference and you 
would not have to deal with a physician who might report you to the Health 
Department and endanger your cat who simply had a bad fur day and bit you.


 
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 From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clavamox aka Augmentin
 



Hi Lorrie,

        Yes, I know, my point was that I always have Clavamox (and other Abx) 
on hand for the critters, so don't feel the need to keep the human form :). 
Since I get most of my drugs by the bottle, I often find that what I'm giving 
is actually labeled for human use.

Margo


-Original Message-
From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
Sent: Jun 6, 2013 7:11 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clavamox aka Augmentin

Margo, you are correct. Clavamox is the vet version of Augmentin
for humans.

L.

On 06-05, Margo wrote:
 
 I keep Clavamox,  which of course is the Veterinary version of Augmentin.
 Just more convenient :)
 
 Margo
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Lee Evans
I know that FeLv is infectious but I had two carrier cats who tested negative 
until they were old and had renal failure, then tested positive. However, if 
FeLv were so contagious their housemates would have been infected early on 
because everyone slept in a pile and groomed each other. After Tiger and Twerp 
passed away, I had the other 6 tested. No one was infected and each passed away 
from ordinary cat issues, usually renal failure. I really don't feel like one 
hissy fit between your cats will cause any permanent damage.


 
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 From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
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Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
 


 

 
Hi Lance,
 
  Have they ever been vaccinate against rabies? That's 
usually enough to allow a home quarantine if it even comes up.
 
  A little late (I'm sorry, I just got to this) but 
bathing the negative cat to remove any saliva or other bodily fluids might 
help prevent infection if it should happen again. Chances are Callie will be 
fine, FeLV is not that easily transmitted.
 
All the best,
 
Margo
 
-Original Message- 
From: Lance 
Sent: Jun 5, 2013 9:55 AM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day 

Thanks for the good thoughts, everyone. Sharyl, I hope I'm the only one with 
a puncture wound. I don't know that for sure. I've felt around on Callie's 
neck, tail, and legs, and I haven't found anything yet, but I doubt that I'd 
know it if I were touching it. I wish there was something that could be given 
within 24-48 hours to prevent an FeLV infection, but I know of nothing like 
that.


Callie is not up on her rabies vaccine. She doesn't go outside, so my parents 
chose not to vaccinate her. Ember  is in the same boat. I'm not sure, but I'm 
hoping that this wasn't reported to the health department. That Callie could 
now be dealing with an FeLV infection is nightmarish enough.


On Jun 5, 2013, at 5:44 AM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:

Lance, if you are the only one with a puncture wound I wouldn't worry either. 
 
 
Is Callie current on her rabies vaccine?  Since you went to the doc for abx 
you may get a call from the Health Dept.  I know I did when I went to the ER 
for treatment of an infected cat bite.  I had to agree to quarantine my cat 
for 10 days..
 
Sharyl


From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
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Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 10:53 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day


Hi everyone,

I wanted to ask for prayers and warm thoughts for my FeLV+ girl, Ember as 
well as my mother's (hopefully) negative cat, Callie. Somehow, Callie got 
into Ember's room, not once, but twice. The first time only lasted for a few 
minutes, but I discovered a terrible cat fight in progress when I got back 
upstairs. To disrupt the chase, I grabbed Callie to remove her from the 
room. I got a bloody finger with three puncture marks in the process.

Later, I realized I should really get abx for the bite, so my dad took me to 
the doctor. We were gone about an hour. When I got back, I was saddened to 
find that I had stupidly managed to not completely close one of the doors to 
our rooms, and Callie had again gotten in. I don't know that the cats fought 
the second time. I think Callie might have explored the normally off limits 
rooms. I found Ember hiding but unshaken behind some clothes, and Callie 
didn't act like she was on edge, but I have no idea what happened. 

Needless to say, I'm very concerned about Callie's possible exposure to the 
virus. We've had a few run-ns over the last seven years, but nothing like 
the fight/chase I broke up today. My hope is that Callie being seven years 
old puts her at low risk for infection. She hasn't had any recent vax for 
FeLV, but she had the FeLV (including booster) when she was a kitten. She 
also seems very healthy. 

There was actually more tough cat stuff today involving a 17 yro diabetic 
who had to go for a dental (this ended on a good note), and my usual 
concerns about Ember. The radiologist hasn't contacted the surgeon after 
almost a week, and Ember probably needs surgical intervention for her 
diaphragmatic hernia.

Please think of the two girls.

Lance 
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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Lee Evans


 Here's a suggestion to everyone who has cats or dogs. If your cat or dog has a 
bad hair day and bites/scratches you and you have to go to a doctor or 
emergency clinic because you are having a reaction to the saliva, afraid of 
infection or things like that, DO NOT TELL THEM THAT YOUR ANIMAL did the 
damage. If it's a bite, you can say that your parrot got off his perch and bit 
you or that you hammered a rusty nail into your finger, anything but an animal 
bite. Here where I live, a 4 year old kid was playing with his Chihuahua and 
was probably too rough. The dog nipped him. The parents took the kid to the 
doctor to have the wound cleaned. The doctor reported a dog bite. That evening 
Animal Control showed up with a warrant to confiscate a vicious dog. The 
family pet was dragged away to Animal Control and the family followed right 
behind. Animal Control said they would have to put the dog to death because he 
was determined to be a vicious dog, having
 bitten a child. The family was aghast. They called the Humane Society and the 
newspaper in an attempt to save their Chihuahua who had been with them for 8 
years. Finally, after several rescue groups and a pro-bono lawyer intervened, 
the dog was returned to the family. The bite didn't amount to anything. But the 
bureaucratic mess that followed from the doctor reporting the bite lasted 3 
weeks.

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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Lee Evans
Well, worrying will get you nowhere. It's not action, it's not practical. 
Forget the worry and just take her for a test in a couple of weeks. I doubt 
whether a hissy fit fight will cause anything but a big headache for you. At 
any rate, think about sitting and worrying for an hour a day. Does it do any 
good? 

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 From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
 

Tetanus shot acquired. Now, back to worrying about Callie...

I wish there was something that could be given within the first few days after 
possible exposure, but I don't think there's anything like that. 

I know a lot of people have negatives around positives, but I'm guessing they 
usually don't jump on each other and bite. I can only suspect that Ember got 
in a bite or two when they were tumbling. 

Please keep the thoughts, prayers, wishes, and vibes coming.
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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Lee Evans
I'm with Lorrie - keep Augmentin in your medicine cabinet for those occasions 
when you decide to put your hand between two snarling cats. I have done this 
stupid thing twice. Now I just hurl a pot of cold water into the fray and then 
mop the floor as the two go to their respective favorite spots to dry off. If I 
have to separate a couple of entwined rolling cats, I use a broom handle. I 
once just slammed a box over one cat. The other cat looked puzzled, then walked 
away. I held the boxed cat in place for about 5 minutes, then slowly lifted the 
box. He shook himself off and walked away too. If you interrupt their train of 
thought, their focus, the fight goes away if they are neutered/spayed cats. 


 
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 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
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Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
 

Hopefully you won't get a call, but it is always important to get a tetanus
shot. And because I rescue I keep Augmentin (the antibiotic of choice for
bites) at home.

Lorrie

On 06-05, Lance wrote:

 Since we're on this subject, when I was at the doc's last night, he did
 ask me about the bite. I told him that it had come from an indoor family
 cat, and explained that she doesn't have any issues. He may have reported
 this, but I haven't gotten a call. Yet.
 
 He wants me to get a tetanus shot. He said that the shot would be ~$85 at
 the office, but $5 if given by the Health Department. I sprung for the $5
 script, but I'm now wondering if they're going to question me. I'd be
 willing to pay the money to not have to deal with them, if there's concern
 that they'll interrogate me or take Callie away.

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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-05 Thread Lee Evans
We had a cat scratch (not bite) a vet tech. The stupid tech put her hand in the 
cage to drag the cat out and put him in a carrier for me to take home in spite 
of the fact that I had taped a sign on the cage saying: DO NOT HANDLE THIS CAT. 
THE RESCUER WILL PUT HIM INTO HIS CARRIER. I have a way with feral cats and the 
tech probably thought she was smarter than I am. Ha. It cost me $200 because 
they insisted on quarantine at a vet clinic that's certified to do quarantines 
when the public is bitten or scratched. Otherwise, they take the cat to the 
pound and kill him/her to examine for rabies.


 
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 From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
 


It was the local county health dept that contacted me about doing a home 
quarantine of my house cat that bit me.  I had even taken a copies of her 
rabies shot with me when I went to the ER.
 
Sharyl


From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
 

Since we're on this subject, when I was at the doc's last night, he did ask me 
about the bite. I told him that it had come from an indoor family cat, and 
explained that she doesn't have any issues. He may have reported this, but I 
haven't gotten a call. Yet.

He wants me to get a tetanus shot. He said that the shot would be ~$85 at the 
office, but $5 if given by the Health Department. I sprung for the $5 script, 
but I'm now wondering if they're going to question me. I'd be willing to pay 
the money to not have to deal with them, if there's concern that they'll 
interrogate me or take Callie away.
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Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day

2013-06-04 Thread Lee Evans
I wouldn't worry too much, Lance. Sounds like you got the major part of the 
beating and the two girls are probably laughing at you. Even if fur flew, 
Callie has been around for a while, well fed, in good shape. In about 2 to 4 
weeks you can test her. If negative, then pack up your worries. If positive, 
she may throw it off. I have had 3 underweight, street adults who threw it off. 
Make sure that finger doesn't get red and inflamed and make sure the 
inflammation does not travel down your hand. Don't be shy about seeing a doctor 
but don't tell it's a cat bite, because your doctor may feel obligated to 
report the animal bite. If this happens, you will then have your animal control 
on your back.  They could actually take away your two cats for observation. 
Stupid things like that happen here in Texas. Sending positive energy from the 
Universe. And hugs for the two contenders.


 
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 From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 9:53 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
 

Hi everyone,

I wanted to ask for prayers and warm thoughts for my FeLV+ girl, Ember as well 
as my mother's (hopefully) negative cat, Callie. Somehow, Callie got into 
Ember's room, not once, but twice. The first time only lasted for a few 
minutes, but I discovered a terrible cat fight in progress when I got back 
upstairs. To disrupt the chase, I grabbed Callie to remove her from the room. 
I got a bloody finger with three puncture marks in the process.

Later, I realized I should really get abx for the bite, so my dad took me to 
the doctor. We were gone about an hour. When I got back, I was saddened to 
find that I had stupidly managed to not completely close one of the doors to 
our rooms, and Callie had again gotten in. I don't know that the cats fought 
the second time. I think Callie might have explored the normally off limits 
rooms. I found Ember hiding but unshaken behind some clothes, and Callie 
didn't act like she was on edge, but I have no idea what happened. 

Needless to say, I'm very concerned about Callie's possible exposure to the 
virus. We've had a few run-ns over the last seven years, but nothing like the 
fight/chase I broke up today. My hope is that Callie being seven years old 
puts her at low risk for infection. She hasn't had any recent vax for FeLV, 
but she had the FeLV (including booster) when she was a kitten. She also seems 
very healthy. 

There was actually more tough cat stuff today involving a 17 yro diabetic who 
had to go for a dental (this ended on a good note), and my usual concerns 
about Ember. The radiologist hasn't contacted the surgeon after almost a week, 
and Ember probably needs surgical intervention for her diaphragmatic hernia.

Please think of the two girls.

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Re: [Felvtalk] concerned

2013-05-29 Thread Lee Evans
Even one flea can cause flea allergy. It's an allergic reaction to something. I 
have a cat who is FIV+ and also borderline diabetic. He develops scabs on 
occasion, then they go away. And return, and go away, etc.. Some of my other 
cats get scabs, near tail or around neck. One vet told me the tail scabs were a 
reaction to the body oils that the cat produces in that region, especially male 
cats. Mine are all neutered but they still produce body oils. Sometimes there 
is fur loss also, then fur grows back. Scabs can also be a reaction to stress. 
No telling what it is really, but I have had cats living with this syndrome 
for many years, normal lives, both ordinary cats and FIV and FeLv+ cats.


 
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 From: Karen Harshbarger harshbargerka...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 2:59 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] concerned
 


 Have you ever had any of your cats with Feline Leukemia get scabs on them.  
One of mine had just a few around his neck for quite some time (even before we 
got feline leukemia tests results), and now he has got more on his body.  Then 
either in rough housing or scratching himself, he pulled the scab off of two 
and they bled pretty bad.  So I took him to the vet, cause I did not want to 
risk any infections with those open sores.  She did not offer any diagnosis of 
the scabs---says lots of things could cause.  But she gave him an injection of 
polyflex  and gave me some medication (Clindamycin Drops) to give him 1 ml a 
day for 7-14 days.  Now I am noticing these same scabs on the others as I pet 
them---but no bleeding with them so I have not taken them to the vet for any 
treatment yet.  Everyone seems fine---eating, drinking, playing and using 
litter box.  But the scabs have me a little concerned.  With their feline 
leukemia, I don't want
 to let something get out of control if it could be serious.  They do not have 
fleas---that is something both the vet and I checked for, and they have been 
treated for flea protection.  Thank you, Karen 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sweet double pos orange tabby boy needs a home

2013-05-28 Thread Lee Evans
Where do you live? I'm in South Texas, have had a double positive boy. Kept him 
for three months. He turned negative for FeLv, now in my FIV+ enclosure.


 
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 From: lernermiche...@aol.com lernermiche...@aol.com
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Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sweet double pos orange tabby boy needs a home
 

I can't put him in with the other cats. I wouldn't do it with my own 
cats, one of whom is FIV+ and thus especially vulnerable to contracting 
FeLV, because the vaccination is not 100% effective and having seen the 
ravages of FeLV I would never risk that. But it's not up to me in our 
foster homes, anyway. I can't make other people put FeLV+ cats with 
their own negative cats, and we can't expose cats we are saying tested 
negative to FeLV and then adopt them out when they may be incubating 
it. Plus we cannot afford to give our foster cats 2 FeLV shots on top 
of everything else we do; it would add another $40/cat in vet costs 
even with the discount we get.

thanks, though,
Michelle 

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Re: [Felvtalk] campaign to get an felv cat to sanctuary

2013-05-26 Thread Lee Evans
It may not be a scam. There are a lot of these types of contribution sites 
around, mainly because people are struggling with vet bills and animals that 
are difficult to get adopted. Matter of fact, I am developing a site called 
Community Cats in Crisis and going to try to get funds through YouCare, another 
publicly used site for contributions. This is in answer to the fact that 
several people in my independent rescue group have spent over $5,000 of their 
own money dealing with illnesses and injuries of colony cats and abandoned cats 
in our community. I am $3,000 down in my finances from two rescued cats, one 
still surviving with bone cancer.  That said, these people are going about this 
slightly backwards. They should first identify the Sanctuary that has agreed to 
accept Alan so people can contact the Sanctuary and see what it's all about. 
Then they need to find out where Alan will be living at the Sanctuary and what 
other types of cats will be living
 with him. You wouldn't want to mix FeLv and FIV+ cats together. Anyone can 
start a Sanctuary and take in cats. That's a problem. Here near San Antonio 
there was an FeLv sanctuary. The woman had over 100 FeLv+ cats there, all 
crammed into a small shed, with an outside enclosure that was smaller than a 
small backyard. The rest of the property was a sheep ranch. She took very poor 
care of the cats and did not separate those who were positive but not active 
for the disease from those who were already showing signs of the disease. The 
place was filthy, food was rotting or very low grade and symptoms were not 
treated with medications. She had no certification as a shelter or sanctuary or 
certified rescue group. Just a woman using part of her sheep ranch to store 
FeLv+ cats. She would collect up to $2,000 per cat and the people who released 
the cats to her care were shown a very nice living room type area with several 
cats lounging about. They never saw the
 real place where she eventually crammed more and more cats.


 
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 From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] campaign to get an felv cat to sanctuary
 


 

 
Not to be a downer, but this screams scam to me. There is no specific 
sanctuary who has agreed to accept Alan (and surely they could get a decent 
picture of him?), nor any details. Way too nebulous. 
 
I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but no, I wouldn't contribute to this
 
.-Original Message- 
From: dana giordano 
Sent: May 26, 2013 12:10 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: [Felvtalk] campaign to get an felv cat to sanctuary 


I've never seen one of these, but wanted to pass it on in case anyone wants 
to reach out to her, knows a sanctuary or wants to adopt.  


They have $700 out of $1000 raised with 20 days left 


http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/alan-s-sanctuary



-
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Re: [Felvtalk] New member from Nebraska

2013-05-10 Thread Lee Evans
Sorry about all your problems with poor Arlo. Along with the vet's 
recommendations you might want to try L-lysine, which is an immune system 
stimulant, especially for fighting herpes virus. Good luck with Arlo. You're 
doing the best you can. 


 
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 From: Marta Gasper gasper.ma...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 9:59 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] New member from Nebraska
 


Hello, my name is Marta Gasper. I'm Homeless No More cat rescue director in 
Fairbury, Nebraska.
One of my foster cats tested FeLV+ on the SNAP and a few months ago also 
positive on the IFA so he became our cat after he developed some disorders 
that'd make him hard to adopt.
Previously we had a cat pulled from a hoarding situation who also was FeLV+ 
and some time before he succumbed  one of our foster kittens tested leuk +._ 
Our vet concluded he would have been infected when younger, he was tested 
after his uris kept returning; although we are no-kill and try to give them 
the best hospice care sometimes euthanasia is the best option.
 
Back to Arlo, our former foster, he's been doing fairly well so other than 
being isolated he had no treatment. Last week almost overnight stopped eating 
and bled from his nose, also gagged on and off, making gargling, squishy 
noises. His mouth smells very bad, vet examined and said it looked good, mild 
gingivitis only, he guessed the odor would be from further lesions/masses down 
his throath._ In a few days and coincidentally he's developed bald spots that 
bleed and dark spots on his fur. Vet said those were bacterial and fungal 
infections. Right now he's on Clavamox and metacam and is starting to eat 
again, I suggested interferon_we did have a FIV+ with stomatitis and other 
problems that made a remarkable comeback on it_and he agreed to administer it 
though because Arlo has all these symptoms and because he knows we're on a 
limited budget he talked about considering the euthanasia alternative as Arlo 
won't get better.
I understand but if there's a way to make him better I'd try it, don't know 
how much Interferon is right now etc.
 
Question; I've read that some treatments don't work or are not used if the cat 
is past the second stage and/or has lymphoma. I don't know if and what cancer 
he has but he's defintely on 2nd stage..should I even try other treatments?
 
And another question; we have a nebulizer, can we use it with Arlo, what 
treatments if so? Thank-you and thank-you for this list
Marta
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Re: [Felvtalk] What to feed a finicky, sick kitten?

2013-05-03 Thread Lee Evans
I have very good results from syringe feeding Hills A/D to anorexic cats. I 
saved the life of a cat with a corona virus using a combination of A/D and 
blended Wellness Canned Food, stuffed with liquid vitamins and acidophiles. I 
would sit her on my lap and feed about a quarter of the mixture 4 times a day. 
This poor cat had come to my yard looking fairly good but soon went downhill. 
She was pregnant but had a partial miscarriage in my yard. Then the vet said 
that she was too weak and underweight to spay and was running a fever. So he 
gave her something that would make her abort the rest of the fetuses. It didn't 
but it almost killed her. I dragged her back and told them to spay her because 
anything was better than what she was going through. Her temp was two points 
above normal and she was groaning. They spayed her. Amazingly she survived. 
They pumped her full of antibiotics and returned the poor almost bald skeleton 
to me. I took her upstairs to a
 flea-free isolation room, and began the two month protocol of syringe feeding 
and flea combing her. At the end of the two months, she was eating on her own, 
her fur was growing back and she was jumping in the air after a ping-pong ball, 
her favorite game. She soon began to get chubby and after all her fur grew back 
she looked like some type of calico breed. I sent a picture of her to a woman 
who knows breeds and was told this cat was a Turkish Van. She got adopted in 
2005. I have had to syringe feed several cats, including one with feline 
hepatic lipidosis. I usually put a towel on my lap, wear a shirt that can be 
thrown into the wash afterwards. Then I place the cat on my lap and go to with 
the syringe and food. I pet in between squirts and talk softly and lovingly to 
them so they feel that they are having some quality time also.Always have a box 
or tissue handy to wipe the mess off their mouth after several squirts. This is 
not a neat situation and
 cats don't like food running down their chin.

 
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 From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2013 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What to feed a finicky, sick kitten?
 

Hi Amanda,

       I'm sorry you're having this problem. First, I'd join Feline assisted 
feeding;

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/

       It is very omportant you address this immediately, to avoid liver 
problems.

       You will probably have to learn to syringe feed, at least for a short 
time. Cats who stop eating (for whatever reason) can forget how. They need 
to be reminded. First, I'd ask your Vet for an appetite stimulant, I use 
cyproheptadine (Periactin) but Mirtazapine is also recommended. Buy a few cans 
of a/d, and a 10cc luer slip tip syringe. Hills a/d is a concentrated, pureed 
food that is meant to be syringe fed, and is easy to use. There are others 
like Clinicare, which is a liquid, but it's not readily available, and is 
really meant for tube feeding.

       Please don't second guess yourself, it's worth trying. My FeLV boy, 
Gribble, was in very bad shape at one point, and not expected to live. I 
syringe fed him for about 2 weeks after he decided eating was not something he 
wanted to do. That was in April. Today he's playing tag with the dog (his best 
buddy) and generally making life interesting for the rest of the cats in the 
household. 

       You might want to check and see if the anemia has returned, that might 
be somewhere to start with treatment. Gribbs is on Interferon and DMG, but 
that's it right now. 

All the best to you both,

Margo



-Original Message-
From: Amanda Payne amandak.pa...@gmail.com
Sent: May 2, 2013 9:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] What to feed a finicky, sick kitten?

Hello everyone!

This is my first time using this forum :)

I have a ten month old kitty, Polli, who was diagnosed with FeLV about two 
months ago.  At that time, she started licking the walls and our potted 
plants in addition increasing lethargy.  I took her to the vet where she was 
diagnosed with severe anemia related to FeLV.  We were told we'd have to 
assist her to the rainbow bridge within days of the diagnosis.  Thankfully, 
she's a fighter and is still with us.  However, her appetite has been cause 
for worry.  She's crazy about Temptations Treats and deli ham (I know, not 
the most nutritious diet but I'm thankful for anything she eats).  The last 
two days, though, she won't eat.  I've offered her baby food, Tiki Cat, 
Ziwi's wet food, lunch meat, tuna and her favorite treats but to no avail.  I 
understand that the end may be near but I want to give everything a shot 
before I make that call.  

So, my question is, what do you give your cat that they just can't say no to? 
I'd love and appreciate any suggestions!

Thank you,
-Amanda

Re: [Felvtalk] For Chang......Cat dying at home

2013-04-28 Thread Lee Evans
You could drive yourself crazy worrying about all of that. I had two cats 
living in a group of 12 for over 13 years. When they were very old, they 
developed renal failure. I took them for sub-q therapy as I do all my renal 
compromised cats until I see that the situation has progressed beyond a good 
quality of life. However, Tigger and Twerp developed some other symptoms that 
were very odd. Twerp had been tested twice for FeLv, Tigger once in the past. 
The vet suggested another test. Both were positive and active in the virus. 
Both passed away several days after the test. The other 10 cats who had lived 
with them, groomed and been groomed by them, shared food, litter boxes and 
sleeping nests never tested positive. All are gone now, most living to age 14 
and over, all from renal failure except one who had an ear tumor that 
progressed rapidly. He had to be euthanized because it was inoperable. I really 
feel that worrying and giving off negative feelings to
 the cats is going to do more harm than the exposure to the virus. You have to 
let go sometimes and leave it to the Universe to decide.

 
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 From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] For Chang..Cat dying at home
 




-Original Message-
From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
Sent: Apr 27, 2013 1:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] For Chang..Cat dying at home

I also wonder why this indoor cat suddenly became FelV positive


            I've been wrestling with this. My + boy has been here since Jan of 
2012, and tested negative before I integrated him into one of my cat groups. 
After a very stressful bout with FLUTD and catherization, he just never 
recovered. Bloodwork eventually showed a very low WBC count, and a subsequent 
SNAP was positive for FeLV, neg for FIV. So, now I've exposed all those cats 
who live with him. I've been trying to figure it out, and here's one excerpt 
that helped my begin to understand.  I've also included the link to the whole 
article, but here is the relevant paragraph.

         It’s the apparent incidence of regressive FeLV infection that will 
continue to challenge all of us…ie, what are the clinical consequences of 
latency in a SNAP negative, healthy cat. Based on information available today, 
the odds favor the cat…there is a good chance the cat will remain healthy, may 
eventually clear the proviral DNA, and they are NOT shedding FeLV as long as 
the virus remains as proviral DNA (latent). Some, however, don’t do as well…a 
small number of regressive infections will re-activate…this is the adult 
cat…with a history of having been healthy and FeLV negative for some time 
(years even). And despite the fact they may have never encountered another cat 
throughout life…they appear to develop disease spontaneously and may become 
progressive (IFA or SNAP positive, sick cat)…or…they may develop complications 
of their infection, including solid tumors (FeLV is an oncogenic 
retrovirus)…and may become IFA
 or SNAP negative!

Here's a link to the complete article;

http://www.fvmace.org/FVMA_83rd_Annual_Conference/Proceedings/PDFS/2012%20FeLV%20%20FIV.pdf

         It's really discouraged me. Makes me think it's probable that all  my 
new cats (those acquired since my move here in 2006) were once infected, and 
possibly latent. They've all come from this neighborhood. Right now I have one 
that has to become a housecat, but has been an outside cat all his 4 years. 
He's tested negative, and I've arranged for him to get the rFeLV vaccine, but 
is there any point? I just don't know.

         I'm very interewsted in what others think. This is all new to me. In 
30+ years of rescue, I've never had a cat test positive for FeLV.

Still trying  to get my head around this.

Margo

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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)

2013-04-24 Thread Lee Evans
Been there, done that. Most of the FeLv cats I have taken were from a rescuer 
who has overwhelmed me in the past. I am no longer allowing her to do that. 
Anyway, there is no more room at the inn. I have two cats in my separation 
rooms, one recovering from a blinding eye infection and upper resp. and the 
other who has bone cancer, tumor on leg but is doing OK so far. The partially 
blind cat is one of my own outdoor old biddies. The cancer cat is from a colony 
I used to feed but gave back to the overwhelming rescuer when I moved out of 
the city. I felt obligated to this cat so took her and am giving her whatever 
life she has left. 


 
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 From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing  Fostering (Beth)
 


I only have 3 cats of my own left. 2 are quite old  1 is FeLV positive.
I do not take in more FeLV fosters unless one passes away.
I do not take FeLV cats from individuals unless they agree that it is still 
their cat, just living at my house. I will not be responsible for vet bills or 
food expenses. It is tough turning people down, but I have to have a sane life 
 do not want to get overwhelmed. I prefer to educate people that they can mix 
their cats  keep the FeLV's.
That being said, I recently agreed to take an FeLV from a lady who volunteers 
at our shelter  who I have known for years. The cat no more than got to my 
house  it is clear he has medical issues  she is not returning my calls or 
emails. This may mark the end of me taking in any FeLV's from individuals,
 period.



 Beth
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 From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing  Fostering (Beth)
 


I had three FeLv+ cats throw it off. They all three were adults. Bunny was the 
youngest. She tested positive when she was spayed at a shelter. They would 
usually euthanize them but for some reason she slipped through the cracks, I 
am pleased to say and the rescuer brought her to me knowing that I would keep 
her or find a place for her if she did not turn. But she turned. Right now 
she's annoying two other cats in my computer room. She sleeps with me at 
night, and is a joyous cat. I would like to find her another home though 
because I just have too many and can't give her enough attention. My oldest 
cat, Moses threw it off i about 7 years ago. Percy had both FeLv and FIV. He 
threw off the FeLv and is now in my FIV room. I have a 5 months old FeLv+ 
kitten in foster care trying to turn negative. I hope she does. Taco and 
Smooch, two other FeLv+ cats who were brought to me as strays and tested 
positive passed away in two years. But at least they had those
 two years extra and weren't deprived of their short lives. I have chosen the 
wrong calling though. I'm much too emotional to be able to cope with this. 
Unfortunately I have no choice. I live from one emotional disaster to another 
these days because my feline family is approaching the older years.



 
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 From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing  Fostering (Beth)
 


No, I have never seen one throw the virus off.
I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering healthy 
cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least I don't have 
to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to have them adopted 
out  I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be so much work.



Beth

 
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 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing  Fostering (Beth)
 

Beth I didn't know you fostered FelV cats.  Have you had any who eventually
threw off the virus?  All of the kittens I've taken in as
 FelV positive, who
must have acquired the virus from their mother, have died within two years. 
However, from one litter of FelV kittens I have an male who is now 4 years
old, and he was the only one in his litter who did NOT test positive when I
took them in, and I later tested him and he was still negative.

I really admire you for fostering FelV cats.  It can be heartbreaking
when they become sick and die. I've had three PTS since October. They
would have been a year old in May.  One from this same litter is still 
fine, or seems to be. I will retest her soon.

Lorrie

On 04-23, Beth wrote:
    Chris -
    I

Re: [Felvtalk] Ember

2013-04-23 Thread Lee Evans
There is relatively new treatment for tumors and cancers. It's called 
Neoplasene. There is a Yahoo group called Neoplasene for Cancer. See if you can 
go there and get some information. I'm currently dealing with a former colony 
cat (tame) who has bone cancer on her right hind thigh. Although the ointment 
didn't do much for it - big ugly mess of a tumor broke through the skin, she is 
eating like a trooper and acting happy. I'm going to try the internal Neo to 
see if it will reduce the tumor. There is a wonderful holistic vet in San 
Antonio. He has saved several of my cats with magic formulas. Look up 
Neoplasene on Google and you'll find a lot of info.


 
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 From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
 


Thank you for thinking of Ember, Cheri and El. 


She seems to be doing okay today. I got her to eat last night by feeding Fancy 
Feast Classic Chicken Feast. In another post, Christiane had suggested this as 
being like chocolate cake to cats, and Ember agrees. Unfortunately, the 
ingredients aren't the best, but at this point, just keeping her eating and 
well-fed seems like the main thing to do.


She also likes Prescription Diet t/d, which she thinks is a treat. Before she 
tested positive, that's the only food she ate. I didn't know any better, but 
she was fine with it. 


On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net wrote:

Thinking and praying 4 ember!!!

CHERI

On Apr 22, 2013, at 9:42 PM, designercats cats designerc...@hotmail.com 
wrote:


 
Lance, you and Ember are in my thoughts and prayers. 
El
 

 From: lini...@fastmail.fm
 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:35:42 -0500
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
 
 Thank you, Beth, Sharyl, and Bonnie for thinking about my girl. She has a 
 vet visit tomorrow. We’ll see how the lung mass has changed, and we’ll get 
 a new cbc. Ember isn’t eating as well as I would like, but she sure loves 
 her treats (Prescription Diet t/d – it could be worse). I've also caught 
 her sitting in a slightly unusual position, and that makes me really hope 
 that she's not in any pain or even mild discomfort.
 
 
 On Apr 22, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:
 
  You've got it, Lance!  You and Ember are in loving/healing thoughts and
  prayers.
  Bonnie
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
  Lance
  Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:59 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember
  
  Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has 
  a
  mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster
  than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last
  night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least
  uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to 
  leave
  our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts.
  
  Lance
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)

2013-04-23 Thread Lee Evans
I had three FeLv+ cats throw it off. They all three were adults. Bunny was the 
youngest. She tested positive when she was spayed at a shelter. They would 
usually euthanize them but for some reason she slipped through the cracks, I am 
pleased to say and the rescuer brought her to me knowing that I would keep her 
or find a place for her if she did not turn. But she turned. Right now she's 
annoying two other cats in my computer room. She sleeps with me at night, and 
is a joyous cat. I would like to find her another home though because I just 
have too many and can't give her enough attention. My oldest cat, Moses threw 
it off i about 7 years ago. Percy had both FeLv and FIV. He threw off the FeLv 
and is now in my FIV room. I have a 5 months old FeLv+ kitten in foster care 
trying to turn negative. I hope she does. Taco and Smooch, two other FeLv+ cats 
who were brought to me as strays and tested positive passed away in two years. 
But at least they had those
 two years extra and weren't deprived of their short lives. I have chosen the 
wrong calling though. I'm much too emotional to be able to cope with this. 
Unfortunately I have no choice. I live from one emotional disaster to another 
these days because my feline family is approaching the older years.


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!






 From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing  Fostering (Beth)
 


No, I have never seen one throw the virus off.
I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering healthy 
cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least I don't have 
to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to have them adopted out 
 I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be so much work.



Beth

 
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 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing  Fostering (Beth)
 

Beth I didn't know you fostered FelV cats.  Have you had any who eventually
threw off the virus?  All of the kittens I've taken in as
 FelV positive, who
must have acquired the virus from their mother, have died within two years. 
However, from one litter of FelV kittens I have an male who is now 4 years
old, and he was the only one in his litter who did NOT test positive when I
took them in, and I later tested him and he was still negative.

I really admire you for fostering FelV cats.  It can be heartbreaking
when they become sick and die. I've had three PTS since October. They
would have been a year old in May.  One from this same litter is still 
fine, or seems to be. I will retest her soon.

Lorrie

On 04-23, Beth wrote:
    Chris -
    I would search the archives on mixing. A lot of us mix our positive 
    non-positive, vaccinated cats. I have done it for over 10 years with no
    transmission of the virus to my healthy cats. I even have had FIV
 cats
    mix with the FeLV cats with no problems. And, yes, I do retest my
    negatives.
    It becomes a little difficult when you foster healthy cats for a
    shelter. I only foster FeLV cats these days. The shelter would not
    allow me to foster both positives  negative, even if they were
    separated.
    Beth

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Re: [Felvtalk] Turkey Vulture OT

2013-04-22 Thread Lee Evans
My friend, who is the director of a large feral cat advocacy organization here 
was driving home one night from a meeting when she saw a vulture fluttering by 
the side of the road, apparently hit by a car. She got out and managed to get 
the injured bird into a cat carrier, then off she went to Wildlife Rescue and 
Rehabilitation, southwest Texas's most famous wildlife rescue organization. 
Once there, the bird was determined to have a broken wing. Before my friend 
left the office though, the kindly vulture regurgitated all over her in 
gratitude. She said it was the most horrendous stink she had ever smelled. She 
was covered with whatever dead thing the bird had eaten for supper. She made it 
home in record time and threw herself into a power shower but she could recall 
the odor for days after. They call buzzards and vultures in Texas The Road 
Crew because they clean up what careless motorists create.


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!






 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Turkey Vulture OT
 

Enjoyed hearing about your turkey vulture. Wow!
I used to do wildlife rehab and had two young red tailed hawks
who were brought to me when the tree their nest was in was cut down.
They ate an entire raw chicken every day!  My neighbor thought they
needed bird seed and brought me some :-)  She was old and meant well
I guess, but those hawks had no desire for bird seed!

Lorrie


On 04-21, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 Everyone in my area knows that if they find a sick or injured animal,
 bring it to Dorlis, the crazy cat lady.  I even rescued a juvenile turkey
 vulture last fall.  




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