[Felvtalk] New member from Nebraska
Hello, my name is Marta Gasper. I'm Homeless No More cat rescue director in Fairbury, Nebraska. One of my foster cats tested FeLV+ on the SNAP and a few months ago also positive on the IFA so he became our cat after he developed some disorders that'd make him hard to adopt. Previously we had a cat pulled from a hoarding situation who also was FeLV+ and some time before he succumbed one of our foster kittens tested leuk +._ Our vet concluded he would have been infected when younger, he was tested after his uris kept returning; although we are no-kill and try to give them the best hospice care sometimes euthanasia is the best option. Back to Arlo, our former foster, he's been doing fairly well so other than being isolated he had no treatment. Last week almost overnight stopped eating and bled from his nose, also gagged on and off, making gargling, squishy noises. His mouth smells very bad, vet examined and said it looked good, mild gingivitis only, he guessed the odor would be from further lesions/masses down his throath._ In a few days and coincidentally he's developed bald spots that bleed and dark spots on his fur. Vet said those were bacterial and fungal infections. Right now he's on Clavamox and metacam and is starting to eat again, I suggested interferon_we did have a FIV+ with stomatitis and other problems that made a remarkable comeback on it_and he agreed to administer it though because Arlo has all these symptoms and because he knows we're on a limited budget he talked about considering the euthanasia alternative as Arlo won't get better. I understand but if there's a way to make him better I'd try it, don't know how much Interferon is right now etc. Question; I've read that some treatments don't work or are not used if the cat is past the second stage and/or has lymphoma. I don't know if and what cancer he has but he's defintely on 2nd stage..should I even try other treatments? And another question; we have a nebulizer, can we use it with Arlo, what treatments if so? Thank-you and thank-you for this list Marta___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemic Leukemia Positive Cat
To all..I just got and reread my post..quite negative I apologize..I do rescue and only sups I can give are donated so ussualy we don't go the extra mile(don't euthanize until they lose quality of life either, I just mean do the basic FeLV protocol treat) and am depressed some b/c I had another dx and possible a whole litter plus two..all from one that was infected as a baby and I didn't know until it was time for neutering, he crashed the week before app and died a few days later. By then he had exposed most of the fosters, one wasn't vaccinated and another that was vet thinks he got infected in the window between exposure and inmunization..sigh but thats rescue I know. Anyways do supplement as much as you can afford, transfusions and all. I was speaking from personal experience. M http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemic Leukemia Positive Cat There are a couple of issues with Desi; at first glance I'd say he has FIP but if the vet felt a mass that could be a reason why his belly is large but you can fill his backbone; fluid around a tumor. A cat that is FeLV+ will have anemia at some point, pernicious anemia, non regeranative. It can be delayed with transfusions but the outcome is the same. M http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Christy Buchin cstet...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemic Leukemia Positive Cat We did a blood transfusion on our cat started him on Prednisone. He also went on LTCI injections. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I am fostering one of my former colony cats. My friend is now feeding the colony, which was hers to begin with but since I moved out of the county and live 35 miles away, she has had to take back the care of the 7 colonies with which I was helping her. Desi, the cat I am now fostering has lost a lot of weight. My friend took him to the vet and the cat has tested positive for FeLv. His PCV test is at 10 and the vet doesn't hold out much hope for long term survival. In addition, the vet felt a small mass near the cat's liver. However, what's puzzling is that Desi is still eating, still grooming, his fur is shiny like a healthy cat. His eyes were clear and bright last night but had a little gunk on one cheek this morning. But they are still wide and bright and he doesn't seem to be in any discomfort or pain. One thing though is that he's weak. He walks slowly and sits down after a few steps but then he gets up, rubs against me and then sits again. His belly is large but i can feel his backbone when I stroke him. When I knew him as a street cat, he was plump and active and mischievous. I have known him since he was a half grown kitten. He was one of many black cats born to a black feral mom cat in the colony but he was friendly to me and my rescue partner. When we got them neutered, we did not test them for anything because we don't have money for that. Desi is about 4 years old. The colony hangs out at an office park. I'm wondering if there's any way short of a transfusion to deal with his anemia. I'm giving him Nutra Ved vitamins daily, .5 cc. twice a day. I can't afford the transfusion and with a leukemia positive cat I don't feel it would be wise or that any vet would be willing to do that. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anemic Leukemia Positive Cat
There are a couple of issues with Desi; at first glance I'd say he has FIP but if the vet felt a mass that could be a reason why his belly is large but you can fill his backbone; fluid around a tumor. A cat that is FeLV+ will have anemia at some point, pernicious anemia, non regeranative. It can be delayed with transfusions but the outcome is the same. M http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Christy Buchin cstet...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anemic Leukemia Positive Cat We did a blood transfusion on our cat started him on Prednisone. He also went on LTCI injections. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: I am fostering one of my former colony cats. My friend is now feeding the colony, which was hers to begin with but since I moved out of the county and live 35 miles away, she has had to take back the care of the 7 colonies with which I was helping her. Desi, the cat I am now fostering has lost a lot of weight. My friend took him to the vet and the cat has tested positive for FeLv. His PCV test is at 10 and the vet doesn't hold out much hope for long term survival. In addition, the vet felt a small mass near the cat's liver. However, what's puzzling is that Desi is still eating, still grooming, his fur is shiny like a healthy cat. His eyes were clear and bright last night but had a little gunk on one cheek this morning. But they are still wide and bright and he doesn't seem to be in any discomfort or pain. One thing though is that he's weak. He walks slowly and sits down after a few steps but then he gets up, rubs against me and then sits again. His belly is large but i can feel his backbone when I stroke him. When I knew him as a street cat, he was plump and active and mischievous. I have known him since he was a half grown kitten. He was one of many black cats born to a black feral mom cat in the colony but he was friendly to me and my rescue partner. When we got them neutered, we did not test them for anything because we don't have money for that. Desi is about 4 years old. The colony hangs out at an office park. I'm wondering if there's any way short of a transfusion to deal with his anemia. I'm giving him Nutra Ved vitamins daily, .5 cc. twice a day. I can't afford the transfusion and with a leukemia positive cat I don't feel it would be wise or that any vet would be willing to do that. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Ascites?
I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other conditions. Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze it for protein content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this year we lost two kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted fluid from the first one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high protein content. So dx was FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so concluded that he had pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was greenish_his sister also got a FIP dx, high prt fluid but more typical; yellow viscous fluid, no cancer. I'm wishing all the best to you and your kitten http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Forgotten Felines toledoc...@gmail.com To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV Ascites? My FeLV+ kitten developed ascites and I'm worried the vet is going to tell me it's FIP. Does anyone know if ascites is ever related to FeLV? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic - Facebook perversion - cats; STOP them!
I know. I think it is something we the users might not be able to do anything about b/c if poster comply with FB rules, it goes. We'll just 've to stay away from it like we stay away from Internet porn, gore and other that as sick as it might be it abides by certain requirements. I think that we're seeing here is how some cultures see us by their moral tenments; the sick, perverted/libertarian West because we allow women and ment to sit side by side on sports events, etc, etc I signed but not sure that page will be removed. Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 8:18 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Off topic - Facebook perversion - cats; STOP them! THE SICK BASTARDS https://www.facebook.com/pages/Cat-Recipe-Exchange-Page/257267050986409 Everyone’s been trying to get this off Facebook – but it seems that they are quite within their parameters to allow this garbage! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/placing the stray cats
They will just sit in a cage until they get adopted for god knows how long. I always pipe up when somebody says that cats sit in cages at shelter/in jail, etc..well that is true of kill shelters and some no-kills. And BTW not all open policy shelters put the cat in the cage and leave it there. No-kills specially know very well that an animal can't live in a cage. I don't work at a shelter but am close friends with a nk and several HS's. Cats don't do well in cages for an extended period of time. While medicating and being socialized, acclimated and other changes, yes, they have to be. But it is dangerous actually to hold animals in cages b/c of stress which leads to disease. They know that or should know it. Depending on room cats are taken out of the cages and let roam in rooms, ussualy are in for the night. At the no-kill the only cats in cages are sick ones or baby kittens. Even fractious cats they separate in groups in small rooms. For instance one year ago the nk shelter took one of my rescue cats, she was tame but has a very short fuse. She was in a cage during quarantine(10 days) and that was it. Afterwards shared a room with one cat she could bear, doesn't like much other cats. She'd swipe at people too so she needed an understanding owner, finally last week that family showed up and she was adopted. In your situation I'd ask a no-kill shelter, true most are full but you never know. Unless you wish to keep all the cats, which probably for them is the best alternative. Where are you at? Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ I was going to suggest a ramp, but alas, the coons could also use it. RE: taking them to a no kill shelter, if it is like the ones around here, they are not able to take on any more dogs or cats. Everyone who has lost ajob, home and has to move in with relatives, brings their animals to the shelter. You are right, they would have to spend some time there especially if they are not socialized. That takes time and that means time in cages. I took 2 from P.A.L.S.. I had gone to see about 1 cat and ended up with both Lil Bit and Casey. They had been in an 8 x 10 cage with about 6 or 8 other cats for over a year. Lil Bit is just now moving around the house because she is so small (6lbs) and timid and Casey is getting used to NOT being allowed to bully everyone. I just wish people would bring a short letter giving information about their pets so the adopter would understand why they are the way they are. Often they are misunderstood and end up back at the shelter because people do not have the patience to try to understand them dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote: Speaking of all this about the raccoon, anyways, wish I could find homes for the 7 cats i feed every day. They are all so beautiful and quite healthy looking with all the meat i feed them and the dry food. At least 3 of them are very friendly and the others are coming around, too. Anyone have any input about how to place these cats? I hate to bring them to a shelter even if it's no kill. They will just sit in a cage until they get adopted for god knows how long. It's very hard feeding every day. It's just me and my husband. We can never go away anywhere now because of it. What are your experiences? Dotty ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wasting away
I had a cat that wasted away, he was FIV+..we did everything to keep him confortable and on his last days when he was alert I'd bundle him up(tho it was Aug, he was literally skin and bones) and take him outside to scracht his fav tree, he did all entus but got tired quickly and he'd take a long nap. I also took him to the window to watch the birds outside, had to hold him b/c he couldn't walk well and held him near a dripping faucet b/c he loved it..he was indoors only but when he was well he went out in a patio enclosure and scracht everything in sight, including a tree branch that went in the enclosure. He ate well too. I fed him kitten food both canned and dry, that he ate by himself and syringe fed Nutrical, sugar water, rubbed Karo on his gums, anything that would give him energy. When he became unresponsive we thought it was time and he died just before he was injected, he had had a seizure on the ride to the vet and another while we waited. I don't think he suffered thats why I let him live a bit longer but like I said once it was apparent he'd lost all quality of life we decided to help him along. It was very hard on us though seeing him deteriorate, if it was up to me I'd have put him down earlier but my husband won't put down a pet unless it is suffering. I won't either but sometimes I see no point on keeping them tho I'm glad for the time with had with this kitty. M http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 6:05 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wasting away I am so sorry for your loss of Orlando. I do rescue work and I have several FelV cats, and one of my favorites is a long haired black male who tested positive several months ago. He is not just wasting away. He is not anemic, has no tumors, but is just getting thinner and thinner. Since he shows no symptoms there is nothing the vet can do to buy him a bit more time, and I know he won't be with me for long. He doesn't appear to be in any pain, he is just weak, thin and he no longer grooms himself, but he is still eating. I've lost many FelV cats, but most had either tumors or became anemic and crashed. Have any of you had FelV cats who just wasted away, and do you think I should just let him die at home where he feels comfortable and safe? I hate to have him euthanized at this point as it is so frightening for cats to go to the vet. I would appreciate your thoughts. Lorrie On 05-21, Frank Sue Koren wrote: It has been one week since I took Orlando to the vets for the last time. His tumor had gotten large enough to be causing him pain and he had stopped eating. He was such a wonderful cat, my loving flame point Siamese boy. The first time I met him in the rescues FeLV room he reached up and gave me a hug. From then on he was my boy and I can't believe he is gone and I will never see him again in this world. He was about 10 when I adopted him and that was four years ago. He would come up and bite me in the butt for attention when I was working on the computer. If I got up at night to go to the bathroom he would accompany me. Always. I guess that was how I knew it was time. On the last night he didn't do that. He will be SO missed. I hate hate hate this disease. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats
Well.. I don't think there is a definitive answer to your question(not just yours most of us came accross it at some point)..basically if negative cats don't come into contact with positives they won't get infected. Also infection results from long time exposure, ie if a negative licks a postive dish once in a blue moon he won't get infected, however if he does clean the + plate every day, he could. If a positive grooms a negative once the negative won't get it but if he does it everyday or several times a day he could, same as for sharing beds, litterboxes, etc. I recently read on internet that infection thru aerosol/ airborne virus is rare in cats but common in dogs.., I don't know abt it. While the virus live for a few hrs out of the host if a - cat happens to absorb a + sneeze right after the + sneezed he could be infected. I've two FeLV+ one lives in a room by himself though during the day I put him in a LG crate in the garage for a change, he loves it. The other one is in a crate in another room(reason for crate is that it is the basement and other cats are around, however he doesn't sneeze so I'm not concerned somebody that just happens to pass by could get a droplet or two., The first one does have a chronic sinus infection so he sneezes quite a bit. I keep a litter in another room, young and senior are most vulnerable to infection. All the cats except the new litter are vaccinated. M http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Jo gypsyj...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:45 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats Is mixing like this recommended? In my brood I have a 15-year old tiny girl who tested positive for FeLV, a 12-year old blind boy and 10-year old girl who have not been tested, and a 2-year old girl and 6-month old girl who both tested negative and are vaccinated. I recently lost my beautiful 2-year old blond boy to FeLV in January and have since been trying to learn as much as possible about it. The older cats do not really interact with the younger ones. I know it's too late now if I can't mix them and I'm taking my chances but I'd really like to know if it can be done. Thank you in advance for all your help. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Precious to the CLS.
So sorry Dawne..she had the best life with you Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Precious to the CLS. I am so sorry, Dawne! Natalie From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Dawne Christensen Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 7:24 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Precious to the CLS. Good morning, Precious gave up her battle with FELV on Saturday. She was diagnosed two and a half years ago and was a trooper all the way. Please add her to the CLS. Thank you. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis
Oh yes..but in the rescues or just neutered, any type of stress would lower the inmune system so oportunistic infections like eye infections occur. Uveitis is more serious, it is a symptom not a disease. And it is very, very painful. The eye is reddened as irritated and it is swollen, might or no have a discharge. Last FeLV+ I had got uveitis in her last days when she was very ill, I put her down shortly after because she was in so much pain and had gone blind, so as for her I didn't do anything. I had a FIV+ that had uveitis on and off in his last month, he had other infections so was treated for that and with Interpheron to bring down the swelling. My cat that had glaucoma also developed uveitis and had to have surgery. Like I said it is a very painful condition, I suppose Interferon can do something, abx would only act against infections, which she'd be prone to if she has FeLV..all the best to your lil' girlie Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uveitis Aw! Poor kitty! I hate to hear of this! I've actually had it myself. In my personal experience, it was painful and I was very sensitive to light. I had steroid drops but don't recall the name of the RX. It sounds like you have enough meds to hopefully improve the redness and irritation to her eye. I wish I could tell you more because you are always so helpful to me. Keep me posted ~ Best wishes too!! Lynda - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org t Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 11:13 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Uveitis Anyone ever dealt with Uveitis (eye inflammation)? My FeLV kitten had a scratch or something in her eye but that is healed but her eye is still really red and irritated. The vet suspects her FeLV is causing the irritation and redness to continue. Right now she's taking Baytril and Clavamox, Interferon Alpha, and Flurobiprofen drops and Terramycin ointment in the eye. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco Please add to the CLS :(
I'm so sorry Sherry, she must be playing with our lil CoCo and many others..sending a big hug Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 9:12 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco Please add to the CLS :( We just learned tonight that we lost our sweet little black girl Coco. She was a dainty lady with a big heartwe will miss you Coco And my heart goes out to all of you who have lost a furry friend recently also. Thank you all for loving these special babies and thank you for being here for me... Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ginger
Yes, getting another kitty is not betrayal at all as others have said. I do rescue and some pass unfortunatly; when I rescue another I'm doing it in the name of the one that died. Many rescues that died are a lesson, either diseases, people, etc but I feel the kitty died in vain if I don't save another with the new knowledge I've._I agree completly it is sad hearing other people saying that after their late pet they won't get another one. I understand how they feel but I've the small thought that one of the reasons is to save themselves the pain of losing a pet, somehow it sounds like the pet died so this person won't adopt again. Maybe I'm too judgamental(sp)..in any case when you adopt another, Ginger will be happy, it is never an insult to her memory. Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: botha.marin...@gmail.com botha.marin...@gmail.com To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 1:05 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Ginger It's been a few weeks since we lost our ginger kitty. I am still so sad about my darling! Do you think I should get another kitty so soon after his death? I feel I would kind of betray my Ginger kitty. Could you please advice me what to do? Marinda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
I thought it could be b/c my Inbox is always full but if most everybody has receive it doesn't sound like it..some programs are set to send those notices every so often, not sure exactly why, but I've had those before from different lists I'm at M http://homelessnomore.webs.com From: P Rose becauseofbent...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR I also received an email. I'm fairly new to the group and haven't posted as of yet. I didn't understand why they said the emails to me were bouncing because I have been receiving all of your posts on a regular basis. Anyone have a clue? Prairie Rose On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com wrote: I also received that email and did not know what it meant. I know my last posting was very short and posted. I was thinking that maybe a filter was causing some of the emails I should have received to bounce as I often read a chain with emails that I didn't see. On Mar 12, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Sally Davis wrote: Did anyone else get an email from this group that says the emails are bouncing? I am afraid to click on it in case it is a malicious link . James I am still here. Sally Davis The real problem is feeders who do not TNR. That's how these feral/hard stray colonies get out of control. Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed. JMHO Sharyl From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for. Some groups spay cats and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures. Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care! I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 cats! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org . Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in a feral colony. I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies. The adult males and females are released back after recovery from their surgeries. Males 1 day and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK. The kittens I tame and try to adopt out. The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these feral/hard stray colonies. My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only happy outside in his colony. We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have been spayed/neutered. At least that way the population is controlled. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- becauseofbentley.blogspot.com because of bentley facebook page ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: caboodle ranch - other side of the story links
Amen, I agree 100%. It's time for the dumpers, who are virtually invisible, to start paying the piperwho are virtually invisible, to start paying the piper. Amen two..there should be a way to catch them, and if possible then once that dumping is stopped lets see how many true hoarders_and there are_ remain. Justice would be served that way. But it is not possible, somebody should invent a device to catch them..or something. We can just preach for now **don't dump, you are not only putting your pet(or your foundling)life in jeopardy but are hurting the good person behind that fence. Right now you are a peoples abuser even if you don't realize it and if you don't now you do. People will go to jail and have their lives ruined b/c of your actions and the cat/dog you left might even die.** Lets grab the dumper's conscience and hardwire with that statement so they can hear it the rest of their lives..ppl walk away satisfied now the fur they left will be taken care of and they found a good solution to their problem, lets change that playback(and some of this people won't take the animal to a Humane Society because it'll be put down..Yes it can happen, but know the outcome from your dumping is not very different plus there's a persons reputation and all the animals she tried so hard so to save at stake now too..deal with it!!(I've seen that and it males so angry) Marta It's time for the dumpers, who are virtually invisible, to start paying the piper. And the people who TRULY have good intentions to stop being persecuted.___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] TNR
FeLV cats should not be returned to colonies, boys or girls. FeLV is too easily contracted. Besides we don't make them any favors by releasing them in the wild. IMO a FELV+ feral should be either euthanized or sanctuaried away from others. Now a FIV+ is a different story, as long as the cat is healthy I return neutered fivers, besides the snap for FIV gives false results. Many will differ with my opinion but I've seen just one cat infect 27 others in a household while I've mixed FIV+ for years w/o problems. Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR If you fix a positive mom put her back in a colony you are spreading FeLV. It does not just spread by her having babies, It will spread by her sharing water with the other cats. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 3:36 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know others have also responded Natalie about TNR. TNR is one of the best ways of fighting the spread of FeLV. In my experience a positive momma will have positive kittens. Fix the momma and you stop the spread of the disease in a feral colony. I also do TNR and manage 2 feral colonies. The adult males and females are released back after recovery from their surgeries. Males 1 day and females 3-4 days as long as they are doing OK. The kittens I tame and try to adopt out. The only way to combat PETA is to responsibly manage these feral/hard stray colonies. My oldest feral is a 7+ year old male who is only happy outside in his colony. We can't take all these feral/hard strays in but we can give them a healthy, stress free life in their colonies once they have been spayed/neutered. At least that way the population is controlled. The real problem is feeders who do not TNR. That's how these feral/hard stray colonies get out of control. Managing these colonies means responsible s/n, feeding and medical treatment when needed. JMHO Sharyl From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links I know many people who do TNR and have dedicated volunteers taking care of them, even trapping for vet visits. Personally, I don’t like some of the ways that TNR cats are provided or NOT provided for. Some groups spay cats and release them almost immediately, even in freezing weather (when it is a known fact that healing is seriously hindered) , and such consequences as infections, and even disembowelment due to ruptures. Yes, one should expect cats at such a ranch to be provided with medical care! I can’t even imagine how many people are required to seriously care for 700 cats! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] caboodle ranch - other side of the story links
consider how many times TNR's put domestic cats back on the street if there were feeders? (I'm not one of them, but consider that, before condemning the guy.) You mean the policy of returning cats to a feral colony if the colony has a feeder?..how that fits into this situation? TNR is for ferals not housecats. Though in some cases_such as mine I trap cats on the loose, ferals or not. If feral they go to a feral colony, if not I try to find owner, education goes so far, most people will want to keep the cat in/out but at least the cat is neutered now and won't be making more. If possible I take in the cat, list as found and if it is not claimed I put him up for adoption_taking in all tame cats is just not possible but I do try to bring in the declaweds and kittens._ I don't just abandon the cat out there, I make sure it has shelter and a feeder. I know very well this is considered cruel by a sector of the pop and that's ok, we all have a right to our opinion. But I don't understand how this fits with Caboodle, you mean because he had all these cats roaming the property and they weren't taken care of? If so I would say that since he said Caboodle was a sanctuary that implies the cats are to be taken care of, if sick taken to a vet etc._Very different from a feral colony where the intentions are the same but nobody wants a colony of sick cats and yet there are ferals that will die rather than walk in a trap; I know I had one of these. We tried for half a year to trap him and in his last months it was evident that he would have had to be euthanized. We just could not, and one day we found him dead. It happens often and makes caretakers feel awful. A sanctuary OTOH is expected to treat each and every cat. A sanctuary is not just a place to leave a pet, walk away and forget all about it. That is why a person is expected to fund the cat care. Granted some of the cats could have been dumped at the place and no money to support them. But it wasn't the majority, and if CG couldn't afford them did he ask rescues to take them? I don't know that, I can't side with either story but just wanted to comment on that remark abt TNR and how it fit with the CR situation, I think it doesn't. Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic but if anyone can help with info? fluid in lungs
Time is of the essence here, she's not getting enough oxygen if she's turning blue so brain damage is a real possibility. Feral (and if she was born feral from feral mom but you took her in before she was 4 months, even if she didn't tame she's still less feral than a true feral, I know I've 5 of those)or not bd will happen, specially at 13 yrs old. I had both a housecat and a feral die in a week with that condition b/c we couldn't reverse the pneumonitis quick enough, the feral was FeLV+ but the tame was just fine and she was abt 12. Fluid in the lungs is just not uncofortable, it is very painful as she struggles to breath, I know the last kitten I had that got pneumonia moaned with every breath. The other cats were semi conscious so don't think they felt much. My point is that stress here can't make much difference in outcome..you'll do whats best for her but don't let her suffer Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic but if anyone can help with info? fluid in lungs My vet is and his assistant have become expert in dealing with feral cats by using towels/blankets to wrap and rewrap as needed for examinations. I have also learned this in dealing with feral cats. You could also get some Bach Flower Remedy – RESCUE, use it in the cat‘s water, you can put it onto the cat’s gums, or even on the skin inside the ear or on the forehead….every little bit helps. Use some Feliway spray inside the carrier (one spray of it about one hour before using the carrier (it’s quite potent) – all that should calm the cat. From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 6:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic but if anyone can help with info? fluid in lungs Talk to a holist vet (MHO). Kitty and Dixie, feral similar to yours, did wonderfully with the care of both a holistic vet and a regular vet. I know, I am blessed to have both and they respect each other. Also, if possible, find another regular vet. Killing a cat without symptoms and true pain (not discomfort) is beyond me. I have dealt with ferals a really long time. In fact, every cat who has moved into my home or chosen to live where I can provide some comforts (food, outdoor shelter) has been feral. They are the smartest of the smart (again MHO) and will let you know exactly what they want. On Mar 3, 2012, at 5:09 PM, dppl dppl wrote: Melinda, thanks for taking the time to respond so quickly. My fear is, if this vet didn't want to draw blood since she said cat's gums started turning blue, how will she endure further testing? How much stress should I put her through? She was born to a feral cat, I have had her over 13 years she is tame for me, but freaks out when i try to put her in carrier . ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty
Caboodle was one of my FB friends..I thought/read someplace there was help at CR. No way one person can cope with that many..many times hoarders do fool the authorities and the public, I've seen it hapen..lets face it; we, even if all we do is take care of the animals, have more complicated lives than a pet. So at any time something can go wrong, financially, personally, healthwise..and that is other people should take charge. Having the land and best intentions is a great start but much more is needed. I do rescue, have a license and am now starting the paperwork to be non-profit, all this while I learnt that is what has to come first, then one can start looking for volunteers and plan ahead, ie ten years from now. I know CR was nonprof so what happened to the Board and volunteers he should have had to get that status? I'm very sorry for the cats that paid_and the people that entrusted their lives to the sanctuary_for that mistake. Another cautionary tale though unfortunatly very well based on reality. Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Thu, 3/1/12, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another sanctuary owner charged with cruelty To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, March 1, 2012, 5:22 AM When I first heard about Grant's place, I thought that it would bea good place to send my babies when I passed. Thank God I changed my mind. I have since fond a good place for my children. If I see just a tad abnormal dischage from their eys, i is off to the vet. How could he let them get so sick? I know that with that many cats, he prpbably ran out of time and money to care for the, but he should have admtted he needed help for the sake of the cats. Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: When will people learn not to dump their animals at these sanctuaries?? http://www.wctv.tv/news/headlines/Caboodle_Ranch_Cat_Sanctuary_Operator_Faces_Cruelty_Charges_140581263.html?storySection=story If you have sent cats to Caboodle call 212-876-7700 ASPCA Head Office for further information in the morning. Agencies assisting the ASPCA on scene include: Atlanta Humane Society (Atlanta, Ga.); Bay Area Disaster Animal Response Team (Belleair Bluffs, Fla.); Cat Depot (Sarasota, Fla.); Florida State Animal Response Coalition (Bushnell, Fla.). Celene Albano HPR Rescue CEO 501c3 Non-Profit. Tax ID # 42-169-3737 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort
Oh yes Heather! Couldn't agree more..a few tortured pets don't attract as much media as a suposedly haven gone bad..not a thought abt the person and why. So a stereotype is created and thast what the media exploits w/o giving a chance to the erso to speak for themselves. Besides a story of this type attracts more attention than somebody skinning animals alive, just for the eek factor._One of those miscarriages of justice as for punishment and way it is exposed. M http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Thu, 3/1/12, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, March 1, 2012, 4:59 PM One of the related, inner struggles I have with such cases are, the cruelty charges made to those with good intentions (which I do believe existed here) will likely stick, yet every day sick individuals who purposely torture and maim cats and dogs get off very easily even with much evidence. I read one case recently of a man in California who was caught torturing then consuming stray cats, supposedly he was even witnessed skinning one alive (and other horrible acts), and he got a bit of community service, probation and a fine under $500. This happens all the time. Perhaps the discrepancy is solely in evidence, witnesses and the legal process, but it seems to me that hoarders are penalized more stringently than flat out torturers who commit such acts willingly, not because they got in over their heads. On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: http://northeastcobb.patch.com/articles/good-mews-assists-aspca-in-rescue-of-600-cats#photo-9221699 Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] does my kitten have FeLV
Rapid breathing is pain. Get him to vet. M http://homelessnomore.webs.com/___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing pos and neg cats
What hapens with giving them a dab of honey is that it boost the blood sugar so if they might start to eat. It is the sugar, not the texture. I've a rescue group and fosters , we always use honey in cases when a cat stops eating, specially with kittens and anemic cats. Rub honey or Karo on their gums so it is absorbed by the skin, sugar goes directly in their bloodstream w/o having to use energy to break up what they swallowed. Also give sugar water by syringe, shoot in cheek pouch. I wished the good foods were more palatable to cats, mine don't like them either but they love Purina cat chow and Fancy Feast..like ppl we are not too atracted to health food though;) Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Fri, 2/24/12, dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com wrote: From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing pos and neg cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 10:58 PM Toni, i enjoyed reading about your family and your tips. I also put a dab of vicks vapor rub on the nose of my cat that had the respiratory infection . I tried Wellness dry cat food but none of my cats would eat it. They like some of the purina one dry food flavors. I tried the Tiki brand b/c I heard it was good but after trying it my cats didn't really want to keep eating it. they liked the tuna and chicken best or plain tuna. I tired purina one canned but they don't really like it that much. They like some of the fancy feast and publix brand and target boots and barclay. I would prefer they ate foods without dyes, etc but they seem to like the junk food. I give them deli low salt turkey for a treat every now and then. Re losing hair years ago I used to use frontline and it took the hair off the area of one of my cat's neck and it didn't grow back for years. some of my cats foamed at the mouth so I just gave up. I use a flea comb on them, drop the fleas in alcohol. I have a cat fence section of my yard and have been treating it with diamateceous earth, supposedly a natural flea killer. I have noticed fewer fleas so i will keep trying. Another issue is kitty litter. My cats hate any scented. Re the corn and hard pellet, they refused to use it. I currently use Dr Eisley but it doesn't absorb as good as it used to. From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 3:10 PM Subject: Tips to share? On a different subject thought I might share this Re taking cats to vets: I often forget this in the stress of trying to help a sick animal but if you put an t shirt or towel you wore in the carrier with your scent , it seems to calm them. Ask vet staff to put it in their kennels if they are being transferred from the carrier they came in.. Re getting a cat to eat: I recently had three older cats that were sick and were being treated with antibiotics and wouldn't eat. One had upper respiratory congestion. One urinary infection. One reason unknown. They were on antibiotics but still wouldn't eat. Sometimes antibiotics upset stomach. Searched the internet and found a suggestion to put a dab of honey in their mouth. Don't know if coincidence or the antibiotics kicking in but it seemed to help them maybe soothed sore throat or stomach. I only put a dime sized drop on outer lips once or twice . I am not a vet so if you are thinking of trying this,. Check with your vet first, as i did to make sure no harm given your cat's specific condition.. one of the sites mentioning honey is mia-carter.suite101.com/why-isnt-my-cat-eating-a60630 has anyone else had experience with this home remedy? Cat with upper respiratory infection: I also put my cat in the bathroom when i took a steaming shower. I think it really helped. -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat vomiting, FeLV? was.. (no subject)
What are the other problems your cat has besides vomiting? I assume your vet
came to the conclusion that your kitty had to be put down b/c he tested
positive on an in office test? As you have heard that is unaceptable.
Or is your cat quite ill, lethargic, anemic, losing weight and is an in/out
cat, has he come in contact with other cats with FeLV? How old is he?
Since he was tested he was not vaccinated or his vaccines are overdue?..Please
tell us more..doesn't seem right that your vet told you he should be euthanized
b/c he was just vomiting
Marta
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From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 4:24 AM
Actually, what I should have said was to find another vet. Find one that knows
more about FeLV and knows that it is not an automatic death sentence. Find one
that knows about the different types of tests and is open minded about FeLV and
treating FeLV.
“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:12:07 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
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No - don't give up on him. It's too early to make any decisions. Just because
the vet did one blood test that said he was FeLV positive that does not mean he
will stay that way. The test they do in the office is a first step. An
indicator that further testing is required. That's all. The vomiting could be
from a lot of different things and isn't necessarily related to the FeLV.
The test they do in the office can show a false positive - in other words, the
test could be wrong. That does happen in a small percentage of cases. Those
test are sensitive and can show incorrect results if not handled correctly.
But, assuming the test is showing correct results then there are still other
things to look at before making any decisions. There is a possibility that the
cat can extinguish the virus. A percentage of cats that get the virus are
actually able to get rid of it. A second test called an IFA test will show
whether the virus has progressed to the point of no return. If that test is
negative then the cat still has a chance to get rid of the virus so you should
wait a couple months or so and re-test. If that test is positive then it's not
likely the cat will be able to get rid of the virus so you don't need to do any
further testing.
But no matter what the test results are it doesn't mean you have to put him
down. You can put him down when he's suffering and there's no relief for him.
Euthanasia is about ending pain that cannot be treated, not ending a life
because of what could or could not happen in the future. You just need to take
care of him and treat his symptoms and who knows when his time will come. Like
I said above, the vomiting might not even be related to FeLV. Lots of cats
vomit for lots of different reasons. Now you do need to figure what's wrong
and fix it because you don't want him to become dehydrated from all the
vomiting. You tell that vet to figure out what's wrong and don't just assume
he's throwing up because he has FeLV.
I'll let others chime in but don't give up yet. Get him over this sickness and
just treat him whenever he gets sick but don't assume he's going to die anytime
one little thing goes wrong. Many cats with FeLV can live several years. I've
heard of 8, 9 and 10 year olds that are still kicking. Actually there are some
that go into their teens. If a cat contracts FeLV when it's a kitten then they
don't do as well and many of them will die within the first 3 years. Not all,
but a good bit. But adults seem to be able to deal with it for a long time.
“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:34:48 -0800
From: warden_christ...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started
vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an
that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just
throwing up they say i
Re: [Felvtalk] FIP
Vicky..abt kitty #2 that you said vomits a lot, it isn't necesaraly b/c he's long haired..I assume you meant he hacks up hairballs, or does he vomits clear liquid? Clear could be trying to bring up a hairball too but at 11 I'd have him checked for a renal condition. Cats with CRF throw up very often, I had a 10 yr old that was sick almost every other day, she was fine otherwise but her kidneys were failing. I didn't know the first year until she had a senior panel. So if you haven't done it, I'd suggest you go that route for him. Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Colloidal silver..was Doxy
We use often colloidal silver treating raw spots, wounds, scrapes. Vet suggested it for one of my cats that kept getting a sore on his back after a lump was removed, biopsy negative etc, finally healed with colloidal silver. Have used collagen too but area around sore must be well shaved or it makes a big mess, even if cat can't reach it. I know cs is controversial and it is not proven it kills all bacteria but have never gotten ill results. We get it at the clinic as a paste that is spread over the sore. Marta .http://homelessnomore.webs.com/___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Ginger; virus in bone marrow
.. I want to tell you what hapenned to us with our FeLV+ Jourdan. On Thurs vet though virus was in the bone marrow. Sat she was very poor but she was holding her own. By Mon one of her eyes looked very strange so I went to get things ready to get her to vet, drove her there, less than 10 mts. We got her out of carrier, set on table, when vet came in she reared her head up and stared at them. Both her eyes were completly white, looked like something out of a horror movie. Vet said the virus would have gotten in her brain and made her blind, she was in lots of pain so we helped her along. But did I wish I had done it before.. I'm not saying same will happen to Ginger but we don't know. If virus is in the bone marrow it is very bad and she's really suffering. Whatever you do will be the best decision Sending a big hug Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Your ginger kitty
Where are you in South Africa?..I'm guessing that there like everywhere else you can get better opinions where there are more vets..like for example, large cities. FeLV is not a death sentence and like you have been told they can live good lives..I had had two cats with FeLV, the one right now was supossed to live at most a few months, it will be one year and he's doing so much better, fat and sassy;) Tell us what symptoms you kitty has; if she's eating and all normal but just tested positive for FeLV, don't despair, she might get it over and or be with you a long lifetime. I hope she and you will be okay..sending light from Fairbury, Nebraska, U.S.! Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It is most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at most the rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one another but not FIV/FeLV. And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV. One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or they shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were killed b/c a nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary manslaughter, at least she'd lose her job if not her license, vet clinic staff on the other hand..argh Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Tue, 1/3/12, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND Felv, and I think that is what started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia other complications due to being FeLV positive. I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this. Has anyone else heard of this? - Original Message - From: dppl dppl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience? Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Horus was drained
Thank-you everybody for sweet words and positive thoughts..Horus is doing well considering, I think he's filling up again, getting a paunch again. The tests results might be back tomorrow but most likely sometime next week. Does somebody have experience seeing almost clear fluid? The tech said didn't look like FIP to her..but don't know if FIP is like other diseases that doesn't have a defined characteristic(in this case different looking fluid vs thick yellow liquid) He's on amoxi for a bacterial infection, sub-q's everyother day or as needed. He's too sweet. he always was, except hours after rescue was the hissiest of the litter but as months passed Horus turned into a very laidback, purr machine kitty, Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Fri, 12/2/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Horus was drained To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 3:14 AM Here are more prayers for Hortus and you. Poor baby, he must be miserable and you must be also having to see him suffering. I do hope he gets better soon. . Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Holding a good thought for you and Horus, Marta. Hang in there! ~Bonnie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 10:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Horus was drained Horus got his belly drained today, he had almos 1 liter of fluid, poor baby! And it wasn't classic; it was transparent green fluid, sent a PCR, cytology and fluid analysis..he's being subq'ed regularly and eats lots, weighed a pound 1/2 more but don't know if that was before they drained the fluid. But even so his bones stick out so he's losing protein somehow. It is serious, whatever it is, not sure is curable..tests will be back in 3-5 days Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Horus was drained
Horus got his belly drained today, he had almos 1 liter of fluid, poor baby! And it wasn't classic; it was transparent green fluid, sent a PCR, cytology and fluid analysis..he's being subq'ed regularly and eats lots, weighed a pound 1/2 more but don't know if that was before they drained the fluid. But even so his bones stick out so he's losing protein somehow. It is serious, whatever it is, not sure is curable..tests will be back in 3-5 days Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Many apologies
Oops sorry, former msg was intended for the FIP group! M http://homelessnomore.webs.com/___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14
I must look pretty defiant or something because only one vet(the youngest, first job, I thought she'd have new ideas, nope just as antiquated as the one thats nearing retirement)did suggest the pts solution out of 3 different ones. I always try to 'reeducate' vets, just I'd educate a person in the street that never even heard of the disease. Yes it is true FeLV+'s can die a slow and painful death, not all though. It is up to the owner to look for signs that the time is near and know when to help kitty along. Have learnt that the hard way. But it is not the vet place to suggest that 'final solution'. Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Fri, 11/18/11, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 6:07 PM Or how about the ones that live to ripe old age—my Tucson is 13+ and positive and a hefty 16 lbs! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marci Greer Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14 Hi Everyone, We have a FELv + kitty Maddie who was diagnosed over 3 yrs ago and is doing wonderfully, We just took another stray kitty named Charles to the vet on Monday, before they did the combo test my husband said, no matter what the test comes back we ARE NOT putting him to sleep, the vet came back in and he did test a weak positive for FELv, if my husband would have not said what he did I'm sure they would have started with putting him to sleep right then (the same as they did with Maddie) , they did go ahead and neuter him and we brought him home and he is doing very well (asymptomatic) and is rooming with our Maddie. I talked to the vet regarding FELv because I can't understand why the first option is always putting them to sleep, it makes me crazy thinking about how many cats are put to sleep and don't deserve to be, The vet said that FELv + cats will die a slow and painful death, I said ok well what about the ones that test false positive or the ones that test positive and are able to throw the virus off, he said he has never heard of that happen, I guess what I am getting at is there any way to reverse what these vets are taught in college. I know I'm grasping but I just hate this so much for these cats that can lead a healthy life and aren't even given the chance! Marci, Maddie, Charles -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] testing cats
I don't have enough authority/knowlegde to say I disagree with the last statement cats over the age of 16 wks are virtually inmune to FeLV..I'd say I wished, because I have seen cats older than 3 yrs to get infected. Whether it was the cat was sick and wasn't obvious even to an ELISA(wich I had been told it can give false FIV results but is accurate on FeLV) I don't know. Being on the rescue adopt out position, I've to get my adoptables tested and vaccinated. It'd be wonderful if everybody would know the facts Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Fri, 11/18/11, dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com wrote: From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] testing cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 6:27 PM As I continue to try to learn as much as possible about this illness and testing the kitten I found, I came across this post on the Best Friends site questioning the testing process. I was wondering if anyone had any comments on its contents?Thanks http://network.bestfriends.org/groups/smitten_by_kittens/pages/feline-leukemia-testing-why-are-you-wasting-your-money.aspx -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] new member
Debbie Welcome to the group_albeit circumstances but thats how most of us got here_I agree with Beth. The symptoms you describe could be a number of diseases. No way to tell for sure if he has FeLV until he's been tested with a definitive test like an IFA, though in his case and given his age I'd say his former negative result is what it is. I wonder why the vet thought it could be FeLV, specially since he has no diarrea/soft stools, blood disorders(wich show as blodd in stool). I wouldn't give him pred unless it is just supportve care, it suppreses the inmune system, the last thing any cat needs. However if he has stomatitis I would. I've had and have FeLV+s cats. The one I've now is close to last stages, he's playful and animated but has a chronic URI, soft stools and bloody diahrrea, thrifty coat, sometimes he staggers, keeps getting sores, sneezes blood sometimes, that is because can't coagulate well, eats like a horse and hasn't gained an ounce. Well he has lately but my other cats would be basketballs if they ate like he does. Besides he tested twice + on the ELISA and comes from a household where most cats were FeLV+. A hoarding situation, very sad but at least he has a better life now tho very limited. Anyways I'd run a test first, to me I wouldn't jump to conclusions, stomatitis or other disorder sure could be. Don't put him on pred(steroids or glucocorticoids. M http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] new member To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 5:06 PM Debbie - There is no way to tell is he has FeLV without a blood test.Was the 11 year old cat tested for FeLV? Just wondering how he would have gotten it if his previous test were negative, though it can take 3 months for the bloodwork to show a positive test. Prednisone depresses the immune system should only be used in conjunction with a specific medical diagnosis. Are his gums pink? He may be suffering from anemia. Is the stomatitis so bad he cannot eat? Was the Pred given to him for the Stomatitis? Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: danbin...@netzero.com danbin...@netzero.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:50 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] new member Boy, am I glad to find this website and group. I think my kitty, Buster (15 yo, neutered male), has FeLV. He stopped eating about 2 1/2 years ago. I took him to the vet who was unable to diagnose what was wrong with Buster, even after several visits. I was unable to get an ultrasound, which she said was the next step. She decided, with the information that she had, that Buster had cholangiohepatitis. Vet put him on 5 mg prednisolone and Cyroheptadine (appetite stimulant) After trying to wean him off, unsuccessfully, he had been on these drugs for 2 years. Yesterday, I was speaking to a (different) vet on the phone, and when I described Buster she said she thought FeLV. She said if he had a liver disease, I would see jaundice. Buster does have a number of clinical signs: little appetite, slow but extreme weight loss, minor stomatitis, poor coat, occasional eye problems. No fever, no wounds, no diarrhea. In 2009, Buster's last blood test (which was fine), he had the ELISA test which was negative. I forgot to mention that Buster did not get sick until I brought an 11 year old rescue into the home. All of my cats (3) are indoor only I guess my question, after this very long explanation (sorry), is are there any cats being treated only with prednisolone? I am not able to take Buster to the vet due to a number of reasons. After almost 3 years, he has taken a big turn for the worse. Usually, rebounds (with syringe feeding), but I don't think so, this time Thank you so much debbie buster 57 Year Old Mom Looks 27 Mom Reveals $3 Wrinkle Trick Angering Doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3231/4ec3dc1abe4f10ffeest01duc ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Thanks for the replies
Muscle weakness and muscle wasting on rear legs are the first side effects of long-term pred dosing. And long term for pred is not(as I thought)5 years but a couple or 3. I also think that his sitting not touching the floor is due to either arthritis and/or muscle pain. If his muscles are weakening he'll be in pain. I've two cats that do it and one of the rescue kittens did it recently(she hurt her back via bad fall, she's much better but it was scary) I also have another kitten that was dx with muscle wasting(birth defect) he doesn't sit normally either. I understand your feelings and am sorry for what you are going throught, a 15 year old is frail and lots of infirmities like an elderly person. So you are doing your best and giving lots of love to Buster, thats waht matters I believe. IMO if he had FIP(there's no test for FIP, the lady must have meant FIV?) he wouldn't be with you now and if he had FeLV probably not either. I do have a cat for adoption that is 10 yrs old and tested FIV+ twice, that to me is remarkable b/c he was a cat that owner kept outside, I wouldn't expect it to live this long being exposed to so much. Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Thu, 11/17/11, danbin...@netzero.com danbin...@netzero.com wrote: From: danbin...@netzero.com danbin...@netzero.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Thanks for the replies To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, November 17, 2011, 4:10 AM I really appreciate everyone who responded to my post. It makes me feel a bit more secure knowing there are others rooting for our success. I think that my keeping Buster on prednisolone is a requirement since he has been on it for so long. I am sure it has compromised his adrenals and that without pred, he will have Cushings (or maybe Addison's). Beth - Buster did have blood work done, in 2009, and it was all fine. ELISA was negative. Before I took in this older cat (her guardian died and the rescue group was unable to find anyone to take her), I asked to have the cat tested. I have 2 other, indoor only, cats and I wanted to make sure that I didn't bring disease into the house. I was told that the new cat tested negative for FIP and FeLV. I do trust the woman who asked me to take in the older kitty, but I have no paperwork to verify. Although Buster lived amicably with my 2nd cat, she hated the new cat. The new cat caused Buster a lot of stress. I tried everything, Rescue Remedy, Feliway etc. Finally, after about a year, things settled down. I never saw any wounds, on either cat, but I know there were 'minor' fights as I found tufts of hair around (including once or twice hanging out of Buster's mouth!) They still hiss, but mostly try to stay out of one another's way My vet didn't want to give me the prednisolone, but I was frantic, unable to pay for any more investigative work, and wanted my cat well. I live over 90 miles, one way, from my (any) vet, and I think she gave me the pred. out of kindness. Regardless of good or bad, Buster has been on 5mg for 2 years. I don't think Buster has stomatitis now, although eating does appear painful at times. Back in 2010, the vet did extract a couple of teeth. And, a tooth, or two just disintegrated when she was cleaning his teeth. Last time he was under (2010) she said his throat appeared inflamed, but I do pill him everyday and I am sure that caused that inflammation He doesn't eat a lot, and he eats small amounts many, many, many times throughout the day. Occasionally, he does stop eating and I need to syringe food. He doesn't/can't eat dry food any more. I will look at his gums tomorrow. Marta, I agree and appreciate your thoughts 'it is what it is'. I am trying my best, by myself, to keep Buster alive. At this point, my focus is only to keep him happy, comfortable and with me. I finally realized, he won't get well. I do think he wants to stay alive. Although failing, he sits with me, sleeps with me, communicates with me etc. He does have muscle weakness in the back end. He can't sit to groom without falling. One odd thing, that I have never been able to figure out, is when he sits, his bottom doesn't touch the floor? And, now, to lay down he has to kinda settle himself carefully. Something is hurting I am sure. Not sure why this 'phone vet' thought FeLV except for the inappetance. But, when I looked at the Cornell site, Buster had more than half the symptoms. I do know that these are common symptoms for many illnesses. Maybe he doesn't have FeLV, and maybe he does. It's a great comfort to me to have a sounding board and to hear how others are treating their kitties. Buster has just begun sneezing, just a bit, but no blood. In general, how long do FeLV cats live without Interferon etc? Can they be kept alive with the right drugs, or 3 years is pretty much it, plus or minus? Thanks! PS All my cats share common food and water bowls and litter box. debbie
Re: [Felvtalk] Autumn the cat
Oh Susan I'm so very, very sorry! Autumn was lucky to live and be loved at your home. I've had one cat die of FeLV and seen other 3 that were my ferals be stricken the same way. Right now we've Tiger who I adopted out and had to bring back because owner couldn't care for him, he's also FeLV+ and at the point of no return though he's a happy cat. FeLV is so frustrating and takes them when they are young many times. Sweet Autumn is looking over you. RIP Autumn Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Tue, 11/8/11, Susan Ang sea7...@gmail.com wrote: From: Susan Ang sea7...@gmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Autumn the cat To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, November 8, 2011, 12:33 PM My cat Autumn died last night due to complications arising from Feline Leukemia. She was four years old. In her short life she was a joy to us, a beautiful, highly intelligent little cat. I can't believe she's gone. I had almost fooled myself into believing that I might get to keep her for a very long time, but the disease won. We are grief-stricken. I joined this list in 2007 after searching everywhere for information and support for FELV owners. I'm so glad it exists. I've drawn a lot of support and knowledge over the years - even when just lurking. I just wanted to add Autumn to the list. She was precious, loved to cuddle, watch Baby Einstein and steal pizza. My home will be so empty without her. I love you, baby girl. ~Susan Ang -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] retesting kittens
yep, two months..also for adults Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ Seems like it's a couple of months after they test positive, that you retest, but wanted to check. Anybody know? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds
know where I can buy RX vet meds overseas without an RX? Some shelters or Humane Societies do sell to rescuers/small shelters for a lesser price w/o a prescription..of course it helps if they know you and what you do (as in my case, I buy abx like clav, Biomox(amoxi) from a nearby Humane Society, also I get Trifectant(desinfectant for cages) from them) Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Wed, 10/19/11, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 8:48 PM Lorrie, I'm late chiming in here. I can't help you with Acarexx, but look into FishMox for the clavamox. It can be ordered without a prescription and from what I was told, it's the same as clavamox. I even ordered it for myself once when I had an infected tooth. Cindy - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Vet meds Does anyone know where I can buy RX vet meds overseas without an RX? With 25 cats in my shelter and at home I need to keep some basic things at home such as Acarexx for earmites, Clavamox (antibiotic) etc. Thanks, Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Horton Please add to the CLS :*(
I'm so sorry Sherry, he's whole and romping on clover flelds at the Bridge M http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Sat, 10/1/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Horton Please add to the CLS :*( To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, October 1, 2011, 8:26 PM May Horton rest in peace – and may you always remember that you gave him a loving home! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 2:34 PM To: Felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Horton Please add to the CLS :*( Yesterday Dr. Jen had to let our sweet big gray guy Horton go. He became a Sids kid about 4 years ago and had escaped when somehow or someone ripped a screen out of a window. We searched the neighborhood day and night for several cats that got out,3 of them were never found and when last year it happened again we actually found Horton after 3 years of being missing !!! So we did have a chance to love him for a year. Now we take more caution on the downstairs windows...we lock and close them at night. Horton you will be missed. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke
I hope he has a happy and loving home..I've a friend that smokes and she has two FeLV+ cats. There is no problem unless a cat develops a resp infection in which case she should be in an smokeless room_like any other cat with respiratory problems should be_ but other than that I've never heard of smoke being a particular no-no for FeLVers. Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Sat, 9/24/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, September 24, 2011, 8:26 PM good for you. they will be loved and that is one of the most important things Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: Thanks to everyone for their input on the smoking applicant! It's been a difficult decision, but I've decided not to decline the applicant based solely on the fact that he smokes, so we're going to proceed. Of course, all other standard procedures will apply (reference check, home visit, etc). I appreciate the fact that the person is honest. He's applying through his sister and she made it a point to inform me of the smoking situation and voiced concerns regarding whether it would be a risk for Tumble due to his FeLV+ status. I hadn't had any experience with smoking specific to FeLV+ cats, so I thought I'd post here for input. Based on personal experience, most people who have contacted me feel the risk would be minimal. While I also value the thoughts of those who advised against the adoption and I'd prefer a non-smoking environment, I have to weigh that against the alternatives. Tumble is currently living in a basement (a daylight basement with windows, but still, with limited human interaction). The applicant is homebound due to health problems and is looking for a 24/7 companion. He wants to adopt both Tumble and his companion Cody; I'd love for these boys to stay together, as they came to me together and are best buddies. The thought of them being beloved companions warms my heart. So... it may not be perfect, but if they'll have good vet care and a loving home, I think I'll go ahead with the adoption. Doing so will also free up some space and allow me to help others that would otherwise be euthanized. Please send good thoughts that everything works out for what's best for the boys. Thank you all again! Cindy, Tumble, and Cody - Original Message - From: Tad Burnett To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke What are your options... Not everybody finds that people willing to adopt FeLV+ kitties are available... A smoker may not be the best choice but I would except a smoker before PTS Tad On 9/21/2011 9:01 PM, ter...@tazzys.org wrote: Hi all, Well here is my 2 cents worth! I'm a smoker have been for 40 years. I do not smoke directly in front of my cats/kittens. My personal kitties have never gotten sick or develop cancers from smoke this includes my FELV kitties. I've been adopting cats/kittens for over 30 years to both non-smokers and smokers. I have to say my smokers take better care of their kitties than non-smokers that have small children. As I've been to their homes and seen how clean they were. I've have repeat adopters as their kitties didn't die to cancers. Actually, lived fairly long lives. The kitties had the best in medical as well. So I do not discriminate adopters that smoke. I agree with Susan Hoffman on her posting. My suggestion is if you don't want to adopt to people that smoke. Be up front with them about it. Also, if your a rescue/shelter put it in your rules and guidelines on your applications that you don't adopt your kitties to smokers. This way the adopter doesn't feel bad or have their heart set on the kitty. Regardless whether the kitty is Negative, FELV, FIV, or both. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org Date: Wed, September 21, 2011 9:02 am To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, We have someone interested in adopting our FeLV+ boy and it sounds like a great home, but the gentleman smokes. Does anyone know if this would be a considerable risk for a FeLV cat? I know smoke isn't good for humans or cats, but I'm wondering if the FeLV would complicate matters. Other than that, it sounds like a great home. He'd be a companion to a homebound gentleman who's
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV fast advancing strain?
Hope your kittens are doing ok, FIP is horrible to deal with. Tiger is 5 years old, he'll get a PCR and other tests. I didn't check further than the snap and a fecal just assuming that all would be FeLV related but you are right better to take care of secondary infections Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Thu, 9/22/11, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com wrote: From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV fast advancing strain? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, September 22, 2011, 8:32 PM Hi, Marta, My two cents is that, just because the kitty is tested positive for Felk, you may not want to assume that it is the felk virus that is going the symptoms. As you know, Felk kittens have weakened immue system, so they are very susceptive to different type of illness, infections, cancers... etc... Have they run for chemistry panel on him? Does he have regenerative or non regenerative anemia? any parasites? I have a few felk kitens myself - one of the kittens developed uevitis, and another kittehn started having a diffuclty breathing,, I thought uevitis was from felk virus, and diffculty breathing was from medistinal lymphma (fluid build up in the chest caviity) as it's very common among young felk kittens --but in stead, I found out that what they have if FIP - I am very much devastated... right now, clinically they are doing well - they are on LTCI, alpah interferon right now.. and I am taking one day at atime.. I hope your kitty gets better. Hideyo Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:22:09 -0700 From: marta.gas...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV fast advancing strain? I knew this list was someplace but couldn't find it..now I've. I live in Nebraska and do cat rescue and TNR..the first time I came accross the disease was last Fall when a feral that I had relocated to my backyard became seriouly ill and tested FeLV+. She was euthanized two weeks later because had gone blind and was in terrible pain(uveitis etc) Then not yet a month ago I brought back a cat that a friend had taken from an abusive home a year ago at which time he had a broken leg but otherwise was very well..or seemed to. She couldn't care for her cats anymore so I brought Tiger to my house, he is FeLV+ and a shadow of what he was a year ago, looks like he's on the end stage, very emaciated, skin issues, difficulty swallowing sometimes, diahrrea, sores around eyes. He is a happy cat though, eats like a horse, wants to play but between his bad leg and anemia sometimes he falls down. There were other FeLV+ cats in the house and some died shortly after the original owners took them back. My question; is there an strain that can kill a cat in a year or so? They were all snap tested only, except one that had a PCR and it came back positive, some tested negative but looked sick so they'll retest. I don't want to rush anything for Tiger unless he's in pain and he doesn't seem to be, should I PCR him? He has an URI and had coccidia so was medicated for it, had fleas but I can't find anymore fleas or flea dirt. I'm not spraying or putting topicals on him b/c of his sores and little scabs all over that sometimes bleed. I'd appreciate any comments..thank-you and happy to be on the list Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FeLV fast advancing strain?
I knew this list was someplace but couldn't find it..now I've. I live in Nebraska and do cat rescue and TNR..the first time I came accross the disease was last Fall when a feral that I had relocated to my backyard became seriouly ill and tested FeLV+. She was euthanized two weeks later because had gone blind and was in terrible pain(uveitis etc) Then not yet a month ago I brought back a cat that a friend had taken from an abusive home a year ago at which time he had a broken leg but otherwise was very well..or seemed to. She couldn't care for her cats anymore so I brought Tiger to my house, he is FeLV+ and a shadow of what he was a year ago, looks like he's on the end stage, very emaciated, skin issues, difficulty swallowing sometimes, diahrrea, sores around eyes. He is a happy cat though, eats like a horse, wants to play but between his bad leg and anemia sometimes he falls down. There were other FeLV+ cats in the house and some died shortly after the original owners took them back. My question; is there an strain that can kill a cat in a year or so? They were all snap tested only, except one that had a PCR and it came back positive, some tested negative but looked sick so they'll retest. I don't want to rush anything for Tiger unless he's in pain and he doesn't seem to be, should I PCR him? He has an URI and had coccidia so was medicated for it, had fleas but I can't find anymore fleas or flea dirt. I'm not spraying or putting topicals on him b/c of his sores and little scabs all over that sometimes bleed. I'd appreciate any comments..thank-you and happy to be on the list Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Miller
I'm so very sorry Edna..Godspeed beautiful Miller Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Thu, 9/22/11, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Miller To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, September 22, 2011, 9:12 PM Well, after trying one round of chemo last week Miller seemed to have a bit more pep in his step and was eating like a champ but then on Tuesday, he didn't want to eat so I force fed him and yesterday morning we took him in, vet gave him subQ fluids and vitamins. I had an uneasy feeling all day and when I got home I immediately went to where I knew he would be, behind the entertainment center. He wouldn't move, he would not lift his head and when I picked him up, he just hung limp in my arms. I knew then that it was time to let him go. Fortunately, Dr. McCann was still at the office and she helped him cross over. We may still have a house full of furbabies but his leaving has left a hole in our hearts. I shall see beauty but none to match your living grace, I shall hear music but none as sweet as the song with which you loved me, I shall fill my days but I shall not, cannot forget. Sleep soft, dear Miller. . . 1999-2011 Edna, Frank and the Nuisance -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Taking temps
Wendy; The thermometer that goes in the ear is used with kitties too but ussually gives a lower reading. My fp takes both ear and rectal temp, never asked why the do the ears if it isn't too accurate but thre must be (hopefully) a reason. If you lubricate it well, rectal temp taking should be no problem. Is it just you taking temp? When I get a squirmy one I've somebody to help because you're right, if he moves suddenly it could hurt him but generally there's no problem. Marta Please visit my shop Cat Agora gifts for cat caregivers http://www.cafepress.com/marta
Couch potato
Suzette doesn't really hangs limp, I guess I exxagerated it, but she is like Marigold, she seem to just putup with it and then 'talks about it'. I don't have a house for her yet, I didn't look really because I thought she'd come around eventually. But you're right, she could be adopted out as a 'couch potato'.. Marta Please visit my shop Cat Agora gifts for cat caregivers http://www.cafepress.com/marta
Sleepy kitten+
Thank-you very much for the clarification on corona virus and FIP, everybody.**She's just the sweetest little mush pile** that's what S is allright, and shereacts tobeing moved (ie when I'm cleaning the cage and must remove her bedding I sort of pick her up) not by squirming or tryng to get down but just hangs in my hand limp, when I set her down she growls and closes her eyes. Can Marigold be petted? Does she purrr/knead or other? We pet S and she purrs, turns on her back to have her belly rubbed and paws knead the air, she might stare at us dreamingly. Stop the pet and she curls up and goes to sleep..My cousin has a kitty rescued as a kittenfrom a barn cat situation. Tippy ismiddle age nowand she acts in a similar way, never meows, growls, sleep lots, doesn't play and she's healthy. I never wondered about it b/c I met Tippy when she was about 2 yrs..somehow I though a kitten that didn't play even if feral was a sick kitten, maybe not? I'll let everybody know what we find out and Nina, thanks for telling me about MarigoldMarta Please visit my shop Cat Agora gifts for cat caregivers http://www.cafepress.com/marta
Satch Bea
I'll donate too.. Marta Please visit my shop Cat Agora gifts for cat caregivers http://www.cafepress.com/marta
Interferon; for Sally
**I just read the abstract regarding using low dose interferon for treatment of FIV and possibly FeLV. I know this was a small study group. Does anyone here have experience with this sort of treatment?**Only at crisis time_no eating, etc_however it depends on the cat. My FIV+ cat has been on intereferon since last year when he crashed but as he got better we're reducing the dose so that he eventually will be completly off. Again, it depends on the cat's needs, I know some people have had cats on interferon for years while others had them on it for weeks. Interferon supplies what the body can't produce and stimulates appetite; it is used in many crisis type situations, not neccesaraly FIV/FeLV. Marta Please visit my shop Cat Agora gifts for cat caregivers http://www.cafepress.com/marta
Stolen
Noo! How terrible!!! My heart goes out to you and your kitties, many good thoughts and light your way for a safe return. Do contact the news, police, shelters, vets, maybe somebody found them and took them in to a vet, etc Hugs Marta Please visit my shop Cat Agora gifts for cat caregivers http://www.cafepress.com/marta
Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 55
About Animal Control and the Police..I don't know in your state but where I live in NE there's no AC and the police will act only if you're in town. Outside the City limits the county sheriff has juridiction, IOW if you're here in a rural area you could contact the co sheriff and they would take over..is that maybe your situation? Marta Please visit my shop Cat Agora gifts for cat caregivers http://www.cafepress.com/marta
Azrael
Leslie, My condolences on sweet Azrael passing, may she cavort forever happily at the Bridge Marta Please visit my shop Cat Agora gifts for cat caregivers http://www.cafepress.com/marta
Re: Thanks for welcome and more
Thank-you everybody for the welcome, I'm sure I'll learn much here. The little feral isn't responding to meds and today I found one her siblings just like the 1st one. At the vet now undergoing (when they get to it) tests and more. I've a tiny bit of hope because this one put up more of a fight and she doesn't look like the other (genetics) but she seems so weak she might have the same problem.. Abt FIP, etc.When I had Jerome (my fiver) dx the first time the vetsaid FIP diagnosis was based on his symptoms tho he might not have it. Tested pos on both tests for FIV , and he was an adult intact stray when I foundhim so high risk thenhe maybe is truly +. Anyways he's doing great and such a lover.Hideyo, much, much light and positive thoughs for you, no matter how many times you go through it is never easy, I know. Marta.<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Please visit my shop Cat Agora gifts for cat caregivers http://www.cafepress.com/marta
New member
I just joined, I'm Marta from Nebraska, some of you already know me from other lists. I have no FeLV kitties right now_just a FIV+, was diagnosed with FIP almost a year ago but he bounced back so well, most likely that isn't the problem. I'll know more on next vet check up next month. We care for ferals in our town and last Sat took a 4 month old feral kitten to the vet b/c she looked so sick (not sickpuppy sick but very lethargic unlike her, she's so wild I've seen so little of her) She's been running a 105° fever_actually came down 1 degree this morning and upon tests was found very anemic, with an URI and coccidia_ so she's on subq's, Metacam (strange shouldn't have M reduced the fever by now, she got it this morning) and a combo of doxy and baytril for blood parasytes. They're feeding her Nutrical. I've thought of FIP or leuk as a possibility but she tested negative on the combo test (means little I know)_her mom was negative when we TNR' her_and she being a feral it sort of cuts the chances of having FIP but I don't know. We're hoping the doxy cocktail will work for her anemia, I'll know more tomorrow. I've been following the immuno regulin thread_Hideyo , I'm so sorry, sending prayers and best vibes for your little one_would it work on infectious anemia? Thank-you very much and thank-you for this list. Marta Please visit my shop Cat Agora gifts for cat caregivers http://www.cafepress.com/marta
