RE: seeking home for adult feluk positive cat - family doesn't careabout him

2007-09-27 Thread Melissa Lind
Jeni,

 

So sorry to hear about a person who won't listen to suggestions. Usually it
is the owner's problem, not the cat's, that causes these issues. I know
she's not listening, but really, you have to tell her my experience. My
Bandit (10 years old now) was peeing in the heat vent last winter. That was
very unpleasant, but I didn't kick him out. I tried everything I could think
of and took many suggestions. However, the final cure was very very very
simple. The vet prescribed fluoxetine which is kitty Prozac. It didn't make
Bandit dopey or drugged up. It merely took away his anxiety-the cause of his
non-litter box piddles. The vet said that there would probably be no way to
tell what was stressing him out, but that he was clearly anxious. 

 

It sounds to me as if this lady is just intensifying the situation with her
anxiety as well. I completely understand how it feels to be so frustrated by
the smell of cat urine-imagine it in your heat vent in winter! But sometimes
the solution is so very simple. The meds cost me $6 a month. That's it!
Problem solved. If kitty already has a home, see if you can influence her to
try one last thing. There are so many kitties without homes, and most people
who take in kitties already have a houseful (as most people on this list).

 

However, if you're still desperate, try Best Friends in Utah. That's where I
took my FeLV+ kitty since I had no facilities at my house to separate him
from the others. He was accepted there, but I understand that getting in is
difficult. You can give it a try. http://www.bestfriends.org
http://www.bestfriends.org/  But, if this is a one-cat household where
they could love kitty if he just went in the right spot, he deserves to be
given a chance. If he goes to a sanctuary, his chances of adoption are slim
because of his FeLV status. But, if you don't think they'll take good care
of him..

 

Of course, the litter box avoidance could be due to so many other factors
such as a dislike for the brand of litter, a litter box that is not cleaned
frequently enough, a UTI which causes him to feel like he has to go all the
time (that burning feeling), or many other things. But, in my experience it
was a very simple and easy fix. I'm not exaggerating when I say it worked
overnight. One day he was peeing in the heat vent (or on the plastic we used
to cover it); the next day he stopped after the Prozac. Now I hardly ever
give it to him anymore, but he was on it for probably 6 months straight.
That's like $36. Much cheaper than a new rug or heat duct or whatever.

 

Good luck-keep looking for resources. It's difficult. It's great that you
are trying to help these people. You sound compassionate. Please keep in
mind that I am not a vet, and I am only telling you my story. Each case is
naturally different; plus you won't be able to get the drugs without the
approval of a vet anyway.

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JENI RECA
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: seeking home for adult feluk positive cat - family doesn't
careabout him 

 

Hi,
 
Seeking home for an adult feluk positive cat (this is not my cat). Male,
neutered, grey and white, 4 year old cat named scooter.  Family especially
the wife wants to get rid of cat.  Cat has been living mostly outdoors, due
to the fact he doesn't always use his litter box, though has been using it
since the wife sent the rug out for a cleaning.  Wife doesn't like the cat
and doesn't really care for it.  Tested positive on elisa and IFA.  Urine
tested and nothing unusal, possibly behavioral problemn (with rug?  the wife
will not listen to suggestions).  Will bring cat to the vet for blood test
and another wellness check before giving him to a new home.  He needs
someone to finally love him and care for him.  Very nice cat.  Willing to
travel, food, toys and carrier will be included with him.  He lives in the
new york area.  Any help is greatly appreciated.  Have contacted other
rescues and sanctuaries but no response.
Thank you
Jeni 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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RE: Books, Lists and Other Resources

2007-09-27 Thread Melissa Lind
I'm interested too Susan, so I hope you find something. I'm very happy for
Autumn! I'll keep my fingers (and all our paws at home) crossed for her.

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Ang
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 10:23 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Books, Lists and Other Resources

 

What are some other resources people use? I was surprised to find there
aren't any books on FeLV - at least none I could find. Are there other
places out there on the web that people frequent for info? I'm one of those
people who read and read and read on a subject that bothers me. I am working
on finding a holistic vet for Autumn. 
I just want to learn as much as I can. Any responses are appreciated:-)
Autumn is doing great - so playful. My husband and I just worry she might
get sick again once the antibiotics stop. Her lymph nodes seem to stay a bit
swollen, though not as much as they had been. 
~Susan  A. 



RE: Remove me from this list

2007-09-27 Thread Melissa Lind
I think you have to remove yourself:

 

http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/options/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org

 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debi Holmes
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 10:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Remove me from this list

 

Please remove my email address from this email list!

 

 

  

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RE: We are not vets

2007-09-27 Thread Melissa Lind
MC,

 

I was referring to your comment that Susan is not licensed to make those
statements. All I was asking was that if you do not agree with what she
recommended, that you set us straight instead of continuing the fight. I
agree that newcomers may not know when they are getting harmful information.
That's why I asked you to give your advice if you think the info is wrong. I
believe that no matter how new a newcomer is, he/she would understand that
without seeing the cat in question, no diagnosis could be made by anyone.
Even if someone believed there were vets on this list, anyone with common
sense would know that a doctor cannot make a diagnosis sight unseen. 

I was intimidated by your comment, you are prescribing medicine without a
license because I often give advice on this site from my own
experiences-which are not backed up by any license. I wanted to make sure
that you didn't turn your wrath on me, yet you did anyway. I'm sorry if I've
misunderstood your tone in that post-email is difficult that way. 

Argh, why do I keep getting sucked into this bickering?! 

ML

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: We are not vets

 

for many years, none of us had any problem saying, in my opinion, or,
this is what my vet recommended,  or this is what has worked for me--and
newcomers do NOT know that there are no vets on the list, they do NOT know
when they are being given flat-out WRONG information. there has been
DANGEROUS, in some cases possibly life-threatening information put out on
this list in the past few months by people who presented it as if it had
been handed to them on stone tablets. 

there is a HUGE difference between a suggestion, and the kind of
proclamations that have become the norm on the list.



On 9/27/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I think we all can agree that an unspoken disclaimer exists in this
community. None of us is a vet. We give advice based upon experience. It is
understood that we are not prescribing anything as a vet would. If a person
does not agree with a suggestion for a sick cat, it is his/her choice to
speak up. The only way we learn is though the suggestions of members here.
As you ALL know, there are so many varied experiences with many different
ailments that it helps to have a wide range of suggestions. No one on this
list claims to be the be-all-end-all of veterinary medicine. We are only
doing the best we can with what we know. Some of us are new to this, so the
suggestions of veteran members are appreciated, and the variety of opinions
is valuable. If you do not agree with the suggestions below, please just
give your advice to the contrary.

 

This is all getting so stupid. I'm thinking about leaving to go to Michael's
list too. I'll hang around and see if things improve here, but the drama is
unbearable at this point. Even after Susan D. has left the group, we are
still arguing about this! Enough already.

 

Melissa

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: Kitten Question

 

you are prescribing medicine without a license.

On 9/25/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Hi Caroline,

Have the little kittens had a fecal yet?

If not, I recommend getting one performed. 

Coccidia, Giardia  spirokettes(?) are all possibilities.

Sometimes when you first get kittens, they can have normal poops,even w/one
of the above problems or all of them,however, the diarrhea can start days 
even weeks later.

Coccidia would need Albon,make sure that the doasge is correct for their
weight due to it being a sulfur based drug and it can cause liver problems.
However, the first dosage will need to be *double* ,if that makes sense. 

Ask your vet for some Hills' moist w/d to help w/ the diarrhea, which will
help form stools plus they still will get *some* the necessary moisture that
they need.

You also might want togive them a bit of Pedialyte,this will give them the 
necessary electrolytes that they are losing.

Kittens can crash very easily due to dehydration.

Let me knowif you have any questions, goodl luck!

signed,
Susan in Texas that doesn't know what she is talking about,as usual... 
:)



Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause, 
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
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- Original Message -
From: Kat  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:07 PM 
Subject: Re: OT: Kitten

RE: We are not vets

2007-09-27 Thread Melissa Lind
Yes, I understand this, but isn't this why Phaewryn or Jennifer or whoever
left a while back? If I remember right, she was disgusted by the use of
Animal Communicators because they are not scientifically proven, etc.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think she felt that suggesting the use of an
AC does more harm than good since science is being abandoned for what some
consider to be a scam or a witchdoctor or whatever. I have no experience
with ACs, so these are not my views, but I remember people ganging up on her
several months ago when she was trying to debunk what she thought was
harmful information. 

 

I completely understand what you guys mean, but I just thought that the
comment by MC was merely an extension of the fight and nothing more. I
apologize for any misunderstanding.

 

Melissa

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 2:16 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: We are not vets

 

I'm with MC on this.  This has been a problem on other lists that I am on
and fortunately the mods are willing to kick people to the curb if they are
giving out questionable advice, especially without some sort of express
disclaimer.  Newbies do not understand that advice may be very wrong.  Often
they are looking for any glimmer of hope and would willingly buy snake oil
if they thought it might save a cat they loved.

MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

for many years, none of us had any problem saying, in my opinion, or,
this is what my vet recommended,  or this is what has worked for me--and
newcomers do NOT know that there are no vets on the list, they do NOT know
when they are being given flat-out WRONG information. there has been
DANGEROUS, in some cases possibly life-threatening information put out on
this list in the past few months by people who presented it as if it had
been handed to them on stone tablets. 

there is a HUGE difference between a suggestion, and the kind of
proclamations that have become the norm on the list.



On 9/27/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

I think we all can agree that an unspoken disclaimer exists in this
community. None of us is a vet. We give advice based upon experience. It is
understood that we are not prescribing anything as a vet would. If a person
does not agree with a suggestion for a sick cat, it is his/her choice to
speak up. The only way we learn is though the suggestions of members here.
As you ALL know, there are so many varied experiences with many different
ailments that it helps to have a wide range of suggestions. No one on this
list claims to be the be-all-end-all of veterinary medicine. We are only
doing the best we can with what we know. Some of us are new to this, so the
suggestions of veteran members are appreciated, and the variety of opinions
is valuable. If you do not agree with the suggestions below, please just
give your advice to the contrary.

 

This is all getting so stupid. I'm thinking about leaving to go to Michael's
list too. I'll hang around and see if things improve here, but the drama is
unbearable at this point. Even after Susan D. has left the group, we are
still arguing about this! Enough already.

 

Melissa

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: Kitten Question

 

you are prescribing medicine without a license.

On 9/25/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Hi Caroline,

Have the little kittens had a fecal yet?

If not, I recommend getting one performed. 

Coccidia, Giardia  spirokettes(?) are all possibilities.

Sometimes when you first get kittens, they can have normal poops,even w/one
of the above problems or all of them,however, the diarrhea can start days 
even weeks later.

Coccidia would need Albon,make sure that the doasge is correct for their
weight due to it being a sulfur based drug and it can cause liver problems.
However, the first dosage will need to be *double* ,if that makes sense. 

Ask your vet for some Hills' moist w/d to help w/ the diarrhea, which will
help form stools plus they still will get *some* the necessary moisture that
they need.

You also might want togive them a bit of Pedialyte,this will give them the 
necessary electrolytes that they are losing.

Kittens can crash very easily due to dehydration.

Let me knowif you have any questions, goodl luck!

signed,
Susan in Texas that doesn't know what she is talking about,as usual... 
:)



Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/ 
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/ 
www.shadowcats.net http://www.shadowcats.net/ 
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause

RE: list matters

2007-09-26 Thread Melissa Lind
Well said. I (like Kelley) do not have an FeLV+ kitty anymore, but hung around 
because of the wise advice I’ve received. I agree that the arguments have 
progressively worsened to pettiness. We should choose our words with tact and 
with conviction. We all have a right to our opinions, but we need to realize 
that there is a difference between debating a subject and just being mean. 
Debate is good and healthy, and where I stand on this issue will not budge, but 
that doesn’t mean that I can’t acknowledge and try to learn from the 
opposition. It doesn’t mean my mind will change, but I will learn what others 
are thinking, feeling, so that in the future I can know best how to approach 
such issues in a way that will win people over to my way of thinking. I think 
that’s the importance of our arguing. Does this make sense? 

 

Diane, your decision was a tough one. I certainly don’t want to attack you or 
anyone else, but I can’t help but ask if you ever considered the soft paws, the 
little plastic covers? Maybe they weren’t around at the time? I couldn’t help 
but bring up this alternative since we’re on the subject.

 

Although I am saddened by the fighting going on, I also think it’s normal and 
cyclical. This is what happens in a family. We all have something in common 
here, yet we are all uniquely different, just like in a family. There’s going 
to be tension, misunderstanding, and things said just to be mean, to get a 
reaction, to inflict hurt back where hurt was inflicted. I abhor confrontation, 
but I think that it’s also healthy and cathartic to get all this out of our 
systems. We can’t be happy (or fake happy) all the time when there are so many 
personalities mingling here. 

 

A little fighting is healthy, but can we move on already? I miss hearing from 
those who are too shy, too disgusted, or too exhausted to respond to these 
arguments. It feels as though our list has been reduced to 5 or 6 people. I 
miss the rest of the voices.

 

Melissa

 

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: list matters

 

Sometimes saying what needs to be said isn't nice, but that doesn't make it any 
less important to say.  You all judge some on this list for doing the exact 
same thing you are.  If everyone would be less quick to jump on the flogging 
bandwagon, perhaps more constructive conversation would be possible. We have 
lost a very well informed and educated voice on these forums now, and thats a 
terrible loss.  I admire and respect people with a passionate view on a subject 
even if I don't agree with their opinion. Sometimes the right thing to say is 
not the easy thing to say.  She had every right to say what she did as everyone 
else did to sling childish insults back. One line snips are the trademark of 
a teenager, not adult discourse on an important and passionate subject.  Yes, 
everyone is here to provide information and support.  Yes, everyone has 
differing opinions on what that means; however, I find anyone who won't speak 
their truths as theybelieve them to be morally bankrupt and not worth my time. 
We ALL have a voice and be damned if anyone should be told not to use it.  If 
you feel like defending claw mutilation, be my guest, but how dare anyone try 
to silence the opposing opinion. Yes, some words spoken may have been harsh in 
this debate, but those harsh words flowed freely from BOTH sides of this 
argument, not just one.  Susan made a mistake in sending the email to the group 
and not an individual.  I believe we've all done that at one time or another.  
And as for what she said in it, what's said in a private email between two 
people is none of anyone's business, including the people on this list.  If any 
of you care, go back and read through the progression of the emails. They did 
start out much more civil, and just degraded as the conversation continued, but 
I can assure you one thing..you'll find just as many (if not more) people of 
the opinion that claw mutilation and intentional exposure to non-curable 
viruses is not a good situation, regardless  of how well the intentions are.  
Like I said, I live 30 minutes from where Angel Wings used to be. I know how 
good intentions go.  

 

Let me also address briefly the issue of personal declawing/mixing.  I just 
read an email from Diane R. about her decision to declaw.  Look, as I have 
stated freely, I think declawing is horrible, but I don't think Susan or Glenda 
or anyone else on this list was personally attacking *individuals* that are put 
in tough places with tough decisions to make.  If you're forced to declaw, or 
if you're forced to mix (I mix my two positives with my negative because they 
were together for a year before I found out) then that's a personal decision.  
Susan's and Glenda's, and yes, i'll say my, issue with that was this was a 
SHELTER, a 

RE: offlist

2007-09-26 Thread Melissa Lind
Megan, I'm in the same boat as you. I don't have an FeLV kitty anymore, but
I'm hanging around for a while to see if things improve. I'm glad you've
stuck around too. I hope you are coping with the loss of sweet Olive. I
forgot if you had any other kitties or had taken any in since then?

Melissa

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan Heikkinen
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:02 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: RE: offlist

Most people have left? That's pathetic. Everyone has their opinions, they
can 
be rude, they can get upset, blah blah blah. But aren't we all adults here? 
Hell, I'm probably the youngest person here, at twenty, and I'm finding this

all rather ridiculous.

Everyone here was really supportive when I was dealing with Olive's
sickness, 
but it kind of upsets me that even more people could have helped, that there

were people who used to be on here who might have had even better
suggestions 
than the great ones that I received. Yeah, there probably wasn't much more I

could've done for Olive, regardless of what people could tell me. But the 
thing is, it's SCARY that people have left over stupid bickering, when we
NEED 
those people to help us with our sick babies. The more people there are, the

more experience there is, and therefore more information is available. This 
list has made a difference for many people, but it could make a difference
for 
so many more. Honestly, the fact that people have left simply because they 
couldn't get along with a couple of other people disgusts me. I guess if 
someone REALLY needs to leave, that's one thing. But over some petty 
bickering? Come on.

I'm sure someone will find something to bitch at me for, but you know what?
I 
don't care. I'm mature enough to just ignore it. And it's funny, because I 
don't even have a FeLV+ kitty anymore, yet I'm still on here. Really, the 
arguing doesn't bother me too much, aside from filling up my inbox. What 
bothers me is that people are leaving because of it. THIS IS FOR OUR CATS. 
THIS IS TO SAVE THEIR LIVES. I'm just thankful that this list exists, and it

would sadden me to see it dwindle away.

-Megan

= Original Message From Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
Nobody leave?  Most people have already left.

It is really sad.

On 9/26/07, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Nobody leave!  This getting stupid!  Glenda, don't leave...
 -Caroline

  Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:50:53 -0700
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Fwd: Re: offlist
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 
 
  --- glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:48:39 -0700 (PDT)
   From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: offlist
   To: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   Well, Tonya,
   I guess I have been put in my place? ( I have been
   judged by the best.) I humbly apologize to all here
   and elsewhere, whom I have upset with my opinions,
   and
   infuriated with my stupidity. Having been so
   enlightened by your revelations here, think it
   best,
   I exit this list. I certainly, being of grade 1
   like
   Susan, could not possible contribute anything to
   this
   list anyway. Between you and I Tonya, that is the
   best compliment I have had for a long time,
   classified
   in Susan's league...whew!
   Eventually, this list will be of one opinion and
   all
   will be able to get along ,because more than likely,
   there will only be one or two left to share
   information, give support, and so on.
   Peace, love and joy to all,
   Glenda in Nebraska
   --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Susan is in grade 1 with you. You are both new to
the list and posting your ideas as gospel when
others of us have been dealing with felv for
   YEARS.
It is very disruptive to the list. And I hate to
say this because I see how what happened with your
trapped cat being killed happened. But a lot of
people left the list because of you taking that
   cat
to animal control where it was put down. People
   who
have been doing this for YEARS know you do NOT
   take
cats to animal shelters unless you WANT them put
down. I defended you as a newbie to people who
   have
left the list, but many of them are still upset
about what happened. They are upset that you
   didn't
know better. When you sound off so harshly to
Sherry and others acting as an 'expert' it doesn't
help.
tonya
t
   
glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So many of the people here put their heart and
soul
and every spare minute possible into helping and
learning about cats/animals.
There are certain basic rules of common sense that
even I have learned in the last few months when it
comes to dealing with these two diseases: FeLV and
FIV.
There are people here that have taught me a lot
   and
who I depend on to answer questions that I might
have
or 

RE: offlist

2007-09-26 Thread Melissa Lind
That's great to hear that you and Isabella are doing well! I'm glad to hear
other voices out there! It's encouraging to know that not everyone has left.

Melissa

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: offlist

Hello. Our feline leuk+ cat Isabella is doing great. I am still here to 
share what is working for us and in case..
Laurie
- Original Message - 
From: Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:34 PM
Subject: RE: offlist


 Megan, I'm in the same boat as you. I don't have an FeLV kitty anymore, 
 but
 I'm hanging around for a while to see if things improve. I'm glad you've
 stuck around too. I hope you are coping with the loss of sweet Olive. I
 forgot if you had any other kitties or had taken any in since then?

 Melissa

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan Heikkinen
 Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:02 PM
 To: felvtalk
 Subject: RE: offlist

 Most people have left? That's pathetic. Everyone has their opinions, they
 can
 be rude, they can get upset, blah blah blah. But aren't we all adults 
 here?
 Hell, I'm probably the youngest person here, at twenty, and I'm finding 
 this

 all rather ridiculous.

 Everyone here was really supportive when I was dealing with Olive's
 sickness,
 but it kind of upsets me that even more people could have helped, that 
 there

 were people who used to be on here who might have had even better
 suggestions
 than the great ones that I received. Yeah, there probably wasn't much more

 I

 could've done for Olive, regardless of what people could tell me. But the
 thing is, it's SCARY that people have left over stupid bickering, when we
 NEED
 those people to help us with our sick babies. The more people there are, 
 the

 more experience there is, and therefore more information is available. 
 This
 list has made a difference for many people, but it could make a difference
 for
 so many more. Honestly, the fact that people have left simply because they
 couldn't get along with a couple of other people disgusts me. I guess if
 someone REALLY needs to leave, that's one thing. But over some petty
 bickering? Come on.

 I'm sure someone will find something to bitch at me for, but you know 
 what?
 I
 don't care. I'm mature enough to just ignore it. And it's funny, because I
 don't even have a FeLV+ kitty anymore, yet I'm still on here. Really, the
 arguing doesn't bother me too much, aside from filling up my inbox. What
 bothers me is that people are leaving because of it. THIS IS FOR OUR CATS.
 THIS IS TO SAVE THEIR LIVES. I'm just thankful that this list exists, and 
 it

 would sadden me to see it dwindle away.

 -Megan

= Original Message From Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
Nobody leave?  Most people have already left.

It is really sad.

On 9/26/07, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Nobody leave!  This getting stupid!  Glenda, don't leave...
 -Caroline

  Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:50:53 -0700
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Fwd: Re: offlist
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 
 
  --- glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:48:39 -0700 (PDT)
   From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: offlist
   To: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   Well, Tonya,
   I guess I have been put in my place? ( I have been
   judged by the best.) I humbly apologize to all here
   and elsewhere, whom I have upset with my opinions,
   and
   infuriated with my stupidity. Having been so
   enlightened by your revelations here, think it
   best,
   I exit this list. I certainly, being of grade 1
   like
   Susan, could not possible contribute anything to
   this
   list anyway. Between you and I Tonya, that is the
   best compliment I have had for a long time,
   classified
   in Susan's league...whew!
   Eventually, this list will be of one opinion and
   all
   will be able to get along ,because more than likely,
   there will only be one or two left to share
   information, give support, and so on.
   Peace, love and joy to all,
   Glenda in Nebraska
   --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
Susan is in grade 1 with you. You are both new to
the list and posting your ideas as gospel when
others of us have been dealing with felv for
   YEARS.
It is very disruptive to the list. And I hate to
say this because I see how what happened with your
trapped cat being killed happened. But a lot of
people left the list because of you taking that
   cat
to animal control where it was put down. People
   who
have been doing this for YEARS know you do NOT
   take
cats to animal shelters unless you WANT them put
down. I defended you as a newbie to people who
   have
left the list, but many of them

RE: turning the other cheek

2007-09-26 Thread Melissa Lind
Caroline, I was wondering when/if you would weigh in on this situation that
doesn't seem to be going away. During some of the last fights that erupted,
I felt the same as you. I was going through so much in my own life, I didn't
have time to keep up with the drama. 

 

I was 28, I'm newly 29-celebrating my last year of the twenties but looking
forward to a new decade. I stayed on here because I have a lot to learn, and
I know that I'll most likely have another FeLV+ kitty someday. In fact, I
want to open a sanctuary for them when we build our own place.

 

Caroline, when you came on the site, I thought of myself when I joined in
April and the same with Megan. I learned so much so fast, and I remember the
whirlwind of days spent on the computer trying to find a place for Cassidy
while also learning as much as I could about FeLV. My vet suggested I PTS
Cassidy, but thank goodness I found this site and the resources I needed to
educate myself and others. I would hate to see this list dissolve. Although
you guys are not my friends, per se, I look forward to hearing your voices,
listening to your stories, and comforting those who are sad. It's nice to
come to a place where other cat lovers exist. I know there are probably
other lists I could join, but I'm already pot committed as they'd say in
poker. I've already spent so much time on here, I don't really want to join
another list. Maybe I'll have to though if this all continues. 

 

I don't have much to offer people concerning FeLV, but I can give my support
and my opinions (for what they're worth) and my prayers. I want to learn
more, but if all the veterans of this site are leaving, how will we newbies
learn?  I think that those here have more to offer than vets and articles
since you're the ones dealing with FeLV every day. 

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:01 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: turning the other cheek 

 

That's very well said Megan.  It pretty much covers everything I thought
about saying on this subject for a long time, but just never took the time
because I had more pressing matters, like kitten care.  I was here when you
joined Megan and I read your Olive posts thinking that you sounded just like
me back when I first joined in May/June due to Monkee's lymphosarcoma
diagnosis.  I think Melissa Lind and I thought were we the youngest (I think
Melissa is 28, but don't quote me) and I am 30, until you came along!  Now,
all three of us no longer have FelV cats but we continue to come to this
site to continue to learn more, help others with the knowledge we obtained
through our brief battles with Felv, and get general advice for our non-Felv
cats (because I have some now that Monkee is gone!). 
 
There were arguments and tiffs on this site before you joined Megan and most
of the time, I just felt that I didn't care because I felt I had no time for
that kind of stuff.  I was desperately trying to save Monkee through shear
force of will and I didn't have the psychic energy to get into, or really be
affected by the arguments.  Sometimes I read them, sometimes not.  And then
I got so immediately busy with fostering non-Felv cats that again I thought,
I don't have the time for this! 
 
I just don't think people should take things so personally or react so
dramatically.  It's wasted energy that could be put to better uses.  It
really upsets me to think that people would leave because of these
arguments...there is too much good to be done on this site.  There could be
someone out there right now who just got an Felv diagnosis and is freaking
out about it.  Furthermore, it could be an individual with a vet who gives
the option of putting the cat to sleep.  And picture this person really
not knowing much of anything about Felv, other than what the vet told them-
just the general, oh it's highly contagious- kind of like getting an HIV Dx
in a person, they don't live as long, they're more susceptible to
cancers,...facing extremely high vet bills, (these are the exact things I
was told when Monkee tested positive over 4 years ago...and that was it).
Say this person thinks, I need to research this so I can decide what to do
so they google Feline Leukemia and eventually come across this site (like
I did) and think wow, a list serve...oh my god, this is so helpful!  After
they have read so many educational type articles online and
scientific-based veterinary articles that are hard to understand, they see
this as a possible god-send.  So they quickly join without even thinking
about it (like I did) and immediately start checking out the most recent
posts... and this is what they find?  Bickering and personal attacks and
counter-attacks and mud-slinging???  And worse yet, news that people having
decades of experience with FelV cats have left the list and are somewhere
out there in cyberspace where their knowledge and information

RE: Here is the link

2007-09-25 Thread Melissa Lind
Wow! A lot happened since I left work last night! I think Beth said it
correctly, that we are all a bunch of crazy cat ladies (and a few men). I
think that because our passions run so high for these kitties, that we are
all the more passionate about these issues. I'm glad to see that people are
sticking to the issues at hand and not attacking in personal ways, but I
think this argument has come to the point that no one is going to budge, so
it's kind of a stalemate, at an impasse. I feel very strongly about this
issue as well (declawing), and I think that there is a middle ground here
for all of us to agree on without compromising our views in any way. As
Susan said, change is made by little steps. 

 

Those of the never declaw camp and those of the do what we can camp can
both agree that change is necessary because neither way is a solution. So,
instead of wasting all our energy on arguing (and it is exhausting), focus
that energy toward education and awareness. Take the information from those
websites (pawproject and the other one that someone posted), and use it to
make literature to distribute. Talk to people off this list about how to
train cats. I think many people are so devastatingly uninformed when it
comes to the furniture issue. Although mine is scratched, it is not ugly or
destroyed. It just takes education. The next time someone is shocked that
your kitties are not declawed and says, What about the furniture?! tell
him/her about the ways to prevent it. Even if that person doesn't have a
cat, perhaps he/she knows someone with cats or who's thinking about getting
a kitty. Maybe your information will influence someone down the road to
request a kitty with claws or to pass on the info. We really need to put the
information out there and let it work through people. We can all agree on
that.

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beth Noren
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 1:17 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Here is the link

 

Glenda, many of us here mix our vaccinated negatives with our positives.  It
is a calculated risk that takes into account quality of life, as is your
decision to allow your cats outside.  In my situation, with my neighborhood
and my street-senseless cats, an outdoor kitty is a risk that I won't take.
Your situation may be very different.  I guess I am just trying to suggest
that we ALL care deeply for our cats, and that we be gentler with each other
when voicing our different opinions.  It does the cats no good if all of us
crazy cat ladies start attacking each other.  Sherry has worked so hard, and
takes each loss so personally, and for that I thank her. 

 

Best wishes,

Beth, Blue, Moxie, Dash, Scooter. and Will Feral 

   

 

On 9/24/07, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Sherry,
...Sherry I am trying to control my emotions ,but I have
to tell you I am scared to death for these two groups 
of cats. I am believing/hoping your girl Mystique is
vaccinated...that could help, but she is at terrible
risk. Her immune system is already compromised by the
FIV. I cannot implore you strongly enough to please 
get her out of Crash'slanding ASAP!
You have been lucky with your FIV kitties and
especially with your kitty who threw the FIV. When I
read about the beautiful Mystique, I felt relieved
that she was only FIV+. I felt you would have good 
luck with her and she might live a pretty normal life.
The fact she is in a situation where she can contract
the FeLV virus any day now, is making me a little
crazy...I worry about her and everyone else in that 
environment...and what about the kitties that might
possibly be able one day, to throw one of the viruses
or the other? What chance do any of them really
have...They are at huge risk of getting THE OTHER
virus. There has to be a way to seperate the two 
groups. FIV+ kitties have such a better chance , but
here they are almost certainly, over time going to
become FeLV+ too.
You need to get Mystique out of there. You should have
her tested for both FIV and FeLV, just so you know, 
what you will be dealing with. Then have her tested
again in 4-6 months. If she is FeLV- you are both
blessed. If I were you, I'd want to know, for myself,
if she is really FIV+.
Crash'slanding comes across beautifully on it's intro 
page and it is set up well to navigate through. The
kitties are beautiful. Their stories are well written
and touching. This is a nokill shelter, right? The way
it appears to me, is a showplace type of place, that 
collects cats,  donations ,but seriously needs to
become a bit more cat- friendly...Besides taking in
these cats, are they really doing what is best for
each cat?  If they cannot seperate the FIV+ cats from
the FeLV+ cats they should only be dealing with cats
with one disease or the other  disease and let another
shelter deal with the other...
Do they get a lot of volunteers as sweet as you? Well,
they are lucky if they do. Nobody is 

RE: Kitten Question

2007-09-25 Thread Melissa Lind
Hi Caroline,

 

I was thinking about you and the kitties. I'm glad to have a new topic to
discuss-thanks! 

 

Anyway, I gather from your post that they didn't have diarrhea before or
soft stools right? I know my vet told me the antibiotics can cause diarrhea.
We had Ashley on Clavomox because of her cow-pie stools, but even after she
was finished with the Clavomox, it took 2 weeks for the stools to harden.
She still has a touch of the soft stools and some stinky gas now and then,
but the smell isn't unbearable as it was before. Our house no longer smells
like a giant litter box. This may sound gross, but how's the smell? With
Ashley it was nauseating-it could seriously bring you to your knees. It
turned out to be persistent parasites or bacteria or something like that
which hadn't gotten cleared up from the first trips to the vet's. She was a
kitty eating out of a dumpster, and I think the vet figured that because of
the damage done, it was taking longer to rehabilitate her. However, she came
to me with diarrhea; she didn't develop it. And it took several months to
get better (after much distress on my part). But, like I said, the vet said
the antibiotics can cause diarrhea. Maybe it just takes a while to get out
of your kitties' systems.

 

I think it's great that you load up on the vitamins and supplements, but you
make me feel like a negligent mommy! 

 

Oh, we also switched Ashley to some blander food for a while. I think it was
Science Diet ID or something like that. But, I think you're light years
ahead of me on the nutritional side of things anyway.

 

I hope you find homes for your babies really soon. You should post some
pictures of them for us! We could all use a little cheering up and a
reminder that the kitties, not our egos, are the most important things here.

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 1:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Kitten Question

 

I am down to three foster kittens now as one was integrated to the on-site
adoption facility (the pet supply store) on Saturday.  He was bigger and
totally healthy and getting to be too much for me because he was the
instigator and a bad influence on the other ones.  He was a  B/W little
Kittler, so it figures!  
Of the three I have now, they seem to be having a touch of diarrhea?  And I
don't know what the cause is?  I'm not doing anything different with them.
They all get fed Wellness Wet Kitten food and Eagle Pack Holistic dry
kitten.  Each gets about a half of the small can of Wellness in the a.m.,
and the same in the evening.  When I leave for work, after they have eaten
the Wet food, they get the Eagle Dry- kind of free choice because they stay
in crates when I am not home, so I like to leave them with some food.  They
are all drinking water fine, except for when they tip their waters over, but
I don't think they go too long before I am able to get home and refill them
and it doesn't happen every day (I just ordered coop cups from Revival, so
these should solve that problem).
On their wet food in the am I sprinkle L-Lysine free form powder and
Brewer's yeast (and have been doing this for weeks now).  In the pm, I do
the same, but add a sprinkled on gel cap of Colostrum- about 290 mgs each.
I just placed an order for Just Born with Colostrum and will be switching
them to that when I get it.  
I think, but am not for sure, that they are June babies and I don't know if
they are from the same litter- 2 might be, but I don't know for sure.  The
smallest now weighs 2.8 (and I should not that this is the only one that
hasn't been fixed yet because it weighed too little, but now with me, it's a
little eating and growing machine!).  The biggest- Yoda- the first one I
took in that I thought might die (weighed 2.4 lbs and they had him on the
floor for adoption!?! with a raging URI!), anyway, he now weighs 3.6 lbs and
I've had him since Labor Day Weekend  He's a growing monster.
 
So they all have healthy appetites and they are all gaining weight and
getting noticeably bigger.  They run and play like maniacs (they have so
MUCH energy!  My mom tells me to stop pumping them full of vitamins and
supplements!) when I let them out of their crates twice a day for play-time.
They are all well now-- it took 2 weeks to 14 days to bust those URI's out
of them, but I finally did it.  I stopped the Amoxicillin well over a week
ago, so it can't be that causing the diarrhea?  But now they seem to be
having soft stools, if not actual diarrhea.  Yoda seems to be having the
diarrhea more (I can tell with him because he has a crate to himself and the
other two share one).  My first foster cat- which I guess I am keeping (!),
she's 1 now and no longer a kitten but a big, healthy mature cat-- she
gets the same protocol of supplements, except she gets fed 1/4 can of
regular adult Wellness in the am and pm and free choice Wellness Dry Core.
She 

RE: OT: Kitten Question

2007-09-25 Thread Melissa Lind
Caroline,

 

In my previous post, I mentioned how it took Ashley two weeks to get better
after the antibiotics had made it through. We had an appointment at the vet
scheduled for 2 weeks after finishing the medicine (to take stool samples),
but it turned out that she didn't need to go in since she was better. If it
were me with the high vet bills that I usually have, I'd wait another week
since they just finished their antibiotics. But, I'm not a vet or an expert.
As long as they are eating and drinking, I think that they'd be okay. But,
please don't chastise me anyone if this is bad advice-just set me straight!

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: OT: Kitten Question

 

I am not sure about their worming schedule at this point- I took them in
from another volunteer/rescuer b/c she was overloaded and they weren't
getting proper care, so she has their records.  All were given Advantage
before they came to me.  I'm pretty sure they got a deworming tho, b/c I
know they give dewormer to kittens even smaller than these and I doubt the
other volunteer would have had them in her house with her other cats w/o
first deworming.  Plus, I look for worms all the time and have never seen
any.  
Do I need to take them to a vet?
Thanks,
Caroline 

 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:05:35 -0500
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: OT: Kitten Question
 
 It could be coccidia or giardia. Both are very common in kittens.
 Coccidia is treated with albon, giardia with flagyl.
 
 It could be worms, but I'm thinking you wormed them already.
 
 On 9/25/07, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I am down to three foster kittens now as one was integrated to the
on-site
  adoption facility (the pet supply store) on Saturday. He was bigger and
  totally healthy and getting to be too much for me because he was the
  instigator and a bad influence on the other ones. He was a B/W little
  Kittler, so it figures!
  Of the three I have now, they seem to be having a touch of diarrhea? And
I
  don't know what the cause is? I'm not doing anything different with
them.
  They all get fed Wellness Wet Kitten food and Eagle Pack Holistic dry
  kitten. Each gets about a half of the small can of Wellness in the a.m.,
  and the same in the evening. When I leave for work, after they have
eaten
  the Wet food, they get the Eagle Dry- kind of free choice because they
stay
  in crates when I am not home, so I like to leave them with some food.
They
  are all drinking water fine, except for when they tip their waters over,
but
  I don't think they go too long before I am able to get home and refill
them
  and it doesn't happen every day (I just ordered coop cups from
Revival, so
  these should solve that problem).
  On their wet food in the am I sprinkle L-Lysine free form powder and
  Brewer's yeast (and have been doing this for weeks now). In the pm, I do
  the same, but add a sprinkled on gel cap of Colostrum- about 290 mgs
each.
  I just placed an order for Just Born with Colostrum and will be
switching
  them to that when I get it.
  I think, but am not for sure, that they are June babies and I don't know
if
  they are from the same litter- 2 might be, but I don't know for sure.
The
  smallest now weighs 2.8 (and I should not that this is the only one that
  hasn't been fixed yet because it weighed too little, but now with me,
it's a
  little eating and growing machine!). The biggest- Yoda- the first one I
  took in that I thought might die (weighed 2.4 lbs and they had him on
the
  floor for adoption!?! with a raging URI!), anyway, he now weighs 3.6 lbs
and
  I've had him since Labor Day Weekend He's a growing monster.
 
  So they all have healthy appetites and they are all gaining weight and
  getting noticeably bigger. They run and play like maniacs (they have so
  MUCH energy! My mom tells me to stop pumping them full of vitamins and
  supplements!) when I let them out of their crates twice a day for
play-time.
  They are all well now-- it took 2 weeks to 14 days to bust those URI's
out
  of them, but I finally did it. I stopped the Amoxicillin well over a
week
  ago, so it can't be that causing the diarrhea? But now they seem to be
  having soft stools, if not actual diarrhea. Yoda seems to be having the
  diarrhea more (I can tell with him because he has a crate to himself and
the
  other two share one). My first foster cat- which I guess I am keeping
(!),
  she's 1 now and no longer a kitten but a big, healthy mature cat-- she
  gets the same protocol of supplements, except she gets fed 1/4 can of
  regular adult Wellness in the am and pm and free choice Wellness Dry
Core.
  She mingles with the kittens now during play-time and she is not
having
  any diarrhea.
 
  Does anyone have any thoughts about a possible cause of diarrhea and
what I
  can do 

RE: Kitten Question

2007-09-25 Thread Melissa Lind
Oh the smell of kitten poo! 

 

What a good idea about the before pictures. We just got Penelope 2 weeks
ago, and already she's changed and grown so much! I can't believe the
progress! She was so bony and her hips and spine were sticking out so badly
that I thought it would take longer to get healthy. She was also so scared
of me and my husband. Now she's my shadow and the loudest purrer and the
best snuggler. She's even starting to try to wrestle with our Smokey. So
cute! Wish I would have the before photos. Okay, enough of my little baby. 

 

As for your poo issues, maybe you could take samples of the cow pie-type and
Yoda's to the vet's for testing. At least you wouldn't have to pay for a
visit. I think Ashley's scheduled poo test was going to be around $100, but
that was because they were going to send it to a lab. If you took it to the
office, they could just look under a scope for parasites, etc.

 

That's what I'd do, and since you've got them fairly isolated, you'll be
able to see whose poo is whose. :-)

 

Talk about Satan's Minions! I just have to tell about our Smokey (1 year)
who gets so excited during piano lessons. I teach them 3 nights a week, and
every time she has to prove her gymnastic skills by vaulting from the couch
to the table to the very top of the screen door, hang there until I scold
her or reach for the Febreeze (don't worry, I don't get the Febreeze on
her), then she sprints around the room, munches on our house plant/tree, and
eventually runs downstairs since she knows by now she's in big trouble. Oh
those naughty kitties! I'm so happy that we've got a few young ones to keep
us on our toes!

 

Keep us informed on how it goes with you and the babies.

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Kitten Question

 

Thanks Melissa.  I don't have a digital camera- other than a webcam.  Have
to borrow my mom's and she has come over to take a few pictures of them, so
once she gets them loaded, I will post those.  These kittens are
hilarious...I think it's the group dynamic.  One one one with me, away from
the others, they are darlings.  When out for playtime, they are Satan's
Minions!  Yoda is seriously the cutest thing I've seen in a long time
(second only to the Monkee!) and he has this strut!  He struts when he first
gets let out of his cage...hilarious!
 
They did not have diarrhea when I first got them, and I think Yoda was the
only one who had some initial diarrhea when I started his amoxy.  But then
it tapered off and I was treating them with Amoxy twice a day and stools
were normal...stinky kitten poo, but otherwise normal.
 
Now, Yoda's diarrhea and the cow pies (that's a good description for the
stools somewhat in between the two extremes)-- those smell pretty bad.  I
have noted the smell has gotten worse with the softer stools.  
 
About the supplements, this past Sat. was the first Sat. I took them to cat
adoption day and put them on display and my mom came to check them out.
Bragging a little, she said my fosters look better than the other fosters
and there's no comparison!  She said they look like they are getting
vitamins and they behaved so well...they loved their outing!  Their skin and
coats look crazy-good!  But I told my mom, well, they better look good, I'm
feeding them cans of food that costs like $80 cents for a teeny can!  They
are so much better off than they were in their previous home, so everytime I
get worn down and worn out, I remember this.  I wish to god that once again,
I took before pix, so you all could see the after pix and be as shocked
and amazed as me.  But my mom is always so hesitant to condone the taking of
before pix b/c she always thinks that when they come to me in such bad
shape, that they will die.  She thought Yoda would die over Labor Day
weekend.  I guess she views that taking of the before pic as macabre or
something.  Then, when they survive and come out looking awesome, we kick
ourselves for not taking a before pic.  Urgh.  
 
-Caroline 



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Kitten Question
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:10:09 -0500

Hi Caroline,

 

I was thinking about you and the kitties. I'm glad to have a new topic to
discuss-thanks! 

 

Anyway, I gather from your post that they didn't have diarrhea before or
soft stools right? I know my vet told me the antibiotics can cause diarrhea.
We had Ashley on Clavomox because of her cow-pie stools, but even after she
was finished with the Clavomox, it took 2 weeks for the stools to harden.
She still has a touch of the soft stools and some stinky gas now and then,
but the smell isn't unbearable as it was before. Our house no longer smells
like a giant litter box. This may sound gross, but how's the smell? With
Ashley it was nauseating-it could seriously bring you to your knees. It
turned out 

RE: Brian

2007-09-24 Thread Melissa Lind
Sherry,

 

I'm praying for you and all the babies on Crash's website. They are all so
beautiful. I just wanted to snuggle them all-especially your one-eyed
pirate. He looks like a personality plus!

Best to all of you,


Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 6:47 AM
To: Felvot groups; Felvtalk
Subject: Brian

 

Could I get some healing prayers for this sweet boy.He is one of our Sids
kids.he had to have his ears irrigated and is having a hard time recovering
from his ear infection.Thanks so much.

Sherry

  

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RE: Lovey is gone

2007-09-24 Thread Melissa Lind
Janine, Lovey and Perry are at peace now. I hope you can find some comfort
in the furry arms of the other kitties. Stay strong! 

Melissa

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brenda Smith
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 11:52 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Lovey is gone

Hello All,
Thank you for your help the other day.  Lovey was in liver and kidney 
failure.  His liver was 10 times smaller than normal and my vet and I 
both feel it was genetic. He was suffering so I didn't hesitate in 
letting him go. He was a beautiful, wonderful, friend with a personality 
like no other cat I have ever met. I will miss him for a long time. 

It was a tough week, I lost my mom's cat Perry last thursday.  He 
started failing and he went really fast.  We don't know what was wrong 
with him, but the vet was 100% sure there were multiple problems.  Perry 
was a very loving sweet boy, he is also missed. So, that was two friends 
gone in one week.  They were both feline leukemia positive.  Belinda, 
could you add them to the list.  Thank you, Janine






RE: Another one gone

2007-09-24 Thread Melissa Lind
Tracy, So sorry to hear of your losses. It's never easy. At least they are
happy now even if a part of you is lost each time you lose one. What a
trooper you have at home! He must be the Bruce Willis of the bunch!

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tracy Weese
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Another one gone

 

 

I lost two of my FeLV+ cats in the last month, the most recent was today
when I put CW down.  She was beginning to have difficulty breathing due to
severe anemia.  I tried a transfusion (only raised the RBC from 6% to 10%)
and Epogen, but today my vet and I could see that she was becoming more
and more uncomfortable and she was extremely pale, I swore that I would not
wait until it was too late, I'd rather be a day or so too early.  We had a
nice three weeks, but today, I could tell the light had gone out in her
eyes.

 

Just last month Sylvester died at home and a few months before that, another
FeLV+ cat, Herbie, had to be PTS.

 

Funny, I have a negative cat (that is 12) with stomach cancer and have been
treating him for more than 18  months (he probably had it at least a year
before).  He has not gone into remission, and we have done EVERY chemo
protocol out there, but it has stopped growing and he is like the energizer
bunny  ...  he keeps going and going and going.  I really expected him to go
long before the other three  regardless, I miss them all.

 

 

Tracy

 



RE: Here is the link

2007-09-24 Thread Melissa Lind
Right on Susan and Glenda! I agree Glenda with the name change idea.
Sometimes people may not even be aware of the damage they are inflicting
because of the name itself. As a veggie, I always joke to my husband and
family about the names we give meat. I ask him if he'd enjoy prime rib as
much as partially cooked cow flesh. I think au jus tastes much better than
beef blood. I'm always amazed at tiger meat eaters (raw hamburger). I think
that names have a lot to do with our acceptance of certain customs or
traditions or whatevers. I mean, a carrot is a carrot is a carrot. There are
just not fifteen different names for it. Why do we rename other foods (like
meat), but not vegetables?  We can try to fool our brains with sanitized
versions of the truth in an attempt to deal with our own guilt, yada yada.
I'm not directing this at meat-eaters, but that's just the examples that
come to mind. It occurs with war, combat, and the like. I'll get off my
soapbox now! :-)

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 2:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Here is the link

 

Right now I know of another shelter that has 100+cats living cage free under
one roof that are not declawed.

 

Any of them.

 

There have not been any serious cat fights or injuries, either.

 

Declawing is nothing more than a mutilation.

 

And it should be illegal.

 

 

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent

 

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Sherry DeHaan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:50 PM

Subject: Re: Here is the link

 

Hi Glenda thank you for checking out Crashs.I first of all want to say that
I too am not one for declawing!! As some of our rescue cats do come in
already declawed and yes they are declawed if they are not too old.As much
as I hate to say it,people (unlike you and I) would prefer to adopt cats
already declawed. :( Also think about over 100 cats living under the same
roof.Most get along but there could be many bad wounds from fights. Like I
said I believe as does Jen the lady that runs the places that ALOT of cats
are discarded out into the streets because they claw the furniture and etc.
And they don't take the time to try and train them to do differently.I clip
all my cats claws myself.I personally don't like it.But I can't tell her how
to run her shelter :(  I respect ALL that Jen does for the over 200 cats
that she takes in and can't say anything bad about what she does.I am sorry
if it hurts you and I respect your opinion.Thanks for your good wishes on
our sweet Brian.Oh,also all 4 of my boys came from Sids and they are
beautiful and healthy!!! If you go back and look up Mystique at Sids,she is
probably my next baby to bring home since I lost my beautiful Genevieve.Also
in the tabbies at Crashs check out Honeysuckle.I rescued her and her 5
kittens from my backyard.My boyfriend has the kittens at his house,we are
trying to get homes for them.

Sherry

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RE: new Cat Fancy

2007-09-24 Thread Melissa Lind
Wow Susan-you are so knowledgeable about the breeds. To me, it's the
black/white cat, the calico, the tabby. It's kind of like my mom and cars:
white car, red car, black truck, etc. Likewise, I'm not very aware when it
comes to the technical terms or the lingo for cat breeds. I'm interested
though, so I think I'll look up all the words in here that I have no visuals
for!

 

By the way-I love the name Naughty Lola! I know exactly what she's like
without meeting her. 

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: new Cat Fancy

 

 

 

Ah, on the cover is a SelkirkRex, described as a British Shorthair
meets Rex  sometimes meets Persian

 

Finally, I have uncovered what look the Frankenbreeder from last year
was going for in my little Pugsley.

 

I kept saying to everyone (anyone that would listen!), he's so funny
looking, he's got curly fur but the face of a British Shorthair! Not like
the classic Rex!

 

So, apparently that IS a breed, but this loser was just playin' w
/genetics...

 

They come in either long or short furrage...

 

This is the same house that my Naughty Lola  Ursula (both felv+) came from,
Lola being a doll faced Persian  Ursula being a British Shorthair
Sealpoint

 

Looks like my little Pugsley on the cover only w/long fur, flamepoint  all!

 

He was a tough little cookie, medically..

 

He was @ the vet clinic for 6 months!

 

 

 

 

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^

www.petgirlspetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/ 

www.tx.siameserescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/ 

www.shadowcats.net http://www.shadowcats.net/ 

 

A kitten is more amusing than half the people one

  is obligated to be with.

  Lady Sidney Morgan

 

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RE: cat furniture

2007-09-24 Thread Melissa Lind
Thanks for the link-I've printed the pics so we can make these at home. Good
winter project!

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 4:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: cat furniture

 

Hereis the website for the cat furniture that I recently bought.

 

www.fandangocatfurniture.com

 

I have 3 of the deluxe trees trimmed out in the leopard carpet.

 

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent

 

 

 

 



RE: OT:declawing your cat is illegal...

2007-09-24 Thread Melissa Lind
I think that this website has some very interesting statistics. Check it
out:  http://www.pawproject.com http://www.pawproject.com/ 

 

Go to the FAQ section. Here is an answer I found interesting; I think it
(and other answers on the site) partially negates the theory that cats are
better off declawed if someone will take them. They may take them in, but
for how long? If an owner can't handle a cat with claws, he/she certainly
can't handle a cat with the resulting physical and psychological damage that
often occurs. Furthermore, if a person is educated on the atrocities of
declawing, and still insists upon it, in my opinion, he/she should not be
allowed to have pets. I think the problem is education. I think people would
not wish their pets declawed if they truly knew and understood the
alternatives and the consequences. Read on.

 

Actually, declawed cats may be at a disadvantage. There is evidence that
declawed cats are disproportionately abandoned at shelters, and that
declawed cats may be euthanized more often because of the behavioral and
physical problems that result from declawing. Pet owners typically cite
protection of their furnishings as being foremost among their reasons for
having a cat declawed; however, such owners may not realize that the pain
and other complications from the surgery can cause behavioral problems that
are even worse than the problems for which the cat's toes were amputated. A
cat can still bite a child and may become more prone to do so if it has no
claws. A cat whose paws hurt when scratching in a litter box may avoid the
litter box altogether, a behavior that may not be tolerated by the owner.

 

Alternatives to declawing exist. Nail caps can be glued painlessly to a
cat's claws to prevent damage due to scratching. A cat can be trained to use
scratching posts to sharpen its claws without damaging furniture. Also,
regular nail trimming, repellent sprays, and double-sided tape applied to
furniture help deter a cat from unwanted scratching.

 

In a 1996 JAVMA article, Gary Patronek, VMD, PhD, using multivariate
statistical analysis, found that declawed cats were at an increased risk of
relinquishment to animal shelters and that among relinquished cats, 52.4% of
declawed cats were reported to exhibit litter box avoidance, compared to
29.1% of non-declawed cats.

 

The risk of cats being relinquished to pounds if the owner cannot declaw the
animal is grossly overestimated by the veterinary profession. In a survey of
owners of cats that had been declawed and their veterinarians, reported by
Dr. Gary Landsberg in Veterinary Forum, September 1994, only 4% of the
owners said they would have relinquished their pet had it not been declawed.
In contrast, the veterinarians in the survey speculated that 50% of the
owners would have relinquished their pets. We could reasonably expect that
if cat owners knew the risks and alternatives to declawing and if
veterinarians took a more active role in offering and assisting with the
alternatives (such as nail caps and nail trimming), the 4% figure would be
further reduced. As veterinarian Nicholas Dodman, board-certified animal
behaviorist and Professor at Tufts University School of Veterinary Medicine,
says, There are very few people of this ilk (who would euthanize a cat if
it could not be declawed) who could not be reeducated by an enthusiastic and
well-informed veterinarian as to the inhumanity of this approach.

 

Janet Scarlett, DVM, of Cornell University, in the article, The Role of
Veterinary Practitioners in Reducing Dog and Cat Relinquishments and
Euthanasias (JAVMA, February 1, 2002), states that client counseling is
probably the most effective means by which veterinarians can influence the
number of dogs and cats surrendered to animal shelters today. Veterinarians
have an opportunity to intervene because people relinquishing pets are
veterinary clients. An estimated 50-70% of pets in shelters had visited the
veterinarian in the year preceding relinquishment. Yet, Dr. Scarlett
reports, Only 25% of veterinarians routinely actively identify and treat
behavioral problems. She writes, Less than a third felt confident of their
ability to treat common behavioral problems. Perhaps even more disturbing,
only 11.1% of veterinarians felt it was the veterinarian's responsibility,
rather than the client's, to initiate discussion about behavioral problems.
Dr. Scarlett admonishes veterinarians to ask specifically about problem
behaviors to uncover problems that clients are reluctant to mention or that
they may not realize can be modified. Once identified, appropriate
interventions can be recommended. It seems clear that the real solution to
the euthanasia concern will be convincing veterinarians to offer proper
education. Treating a behavioral problem such as scratching with a surgical
procedure is expedient, but doesn't deal the root cause and perpetuates the
misconceptions and unreasonable expectations about pet behavior that too
often 

RE: OT:declawing your cat is illegal...

2007-09-24 Thread Melissa Lind
Actually, Glenda found the website, but I've been exploring it today,
getting some ideas for creating some educational literature to pass around
at vet's offices, pet stores, anyone who will listen. 

 

I dated a guy once who had a declawed kitty that was very mean and not a
little bit psycho. My friend also has two declawed kitties. One continually
hides from people, and the other is just unbalanced (in the head I mean). I
don't know if her cats' problems are a direct result of the declaw. She had
that done at the time of the spays when they were kittens. What a traumatic
thing to go through all at once.

 

The groomer at my old vet's office said she'd much rather groom a cat with
claws than one without. She said that the majority of declawed cats she
encounters are mean and bite a lot.

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT:declawing your cat is illegal...

 

Excellent, Melissa!

 

They take them until they figure out that the cat now bites when it feels
the least bit threatened or it pees  poops everywhere EXCEPT the litterbox
due to the pain in it's paws from being multilated.

 

Those were ALWAYS the reasons people would try  dump them@ the shelter that
I worked @.

 

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent

 

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Melissa Lind mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:06 PM

Subject: RE: OT:declawing your cat is illegal...

 

I think that this website has some very interesting statistics. Check it
out:  http://www.pawproject.com

 

Go to the FAQ section. Here is an answer I found interesting; I think it
(and other answers on the site) partially negates the theory that cats are
better off declawed if someone will take them. They may take them in, but
for how long? If an owner can't handle a cat with claws, he/she certainly
can't handle a cat with the resulting physical and psychological damage that
often occurs. Furthermore, if a person is educated on the atrocities of
declawing, and still insists upon it, in my opinion, he/she should not be
allowed to have pets. I think the problem is education. I think people would
not wish their pets declawed if they truly knew and understood the
alternatives and the consequences. Read on.

 

Actually, declawed cats may be at a disadvantage. There is evidence that
declawed cats are disproportionately abandoned at shelters, and that
declawed cats may be euthanized more often because of the behavioral and
physical problems that result from declawing. Pet owners typically cite
protection of their furnishings as being foremost among their reasons for
having a cat declawed; however, such owners may not realize that the pain
and other complications from the surgery can cause behavioral problems that
are even worse than the problems for which the cat's toes were amputated. A
cat can still bite a child and may become more prone to do so if it has no
claws. A cat whose paws hurt when scratching in a litter box may avoid the
litter box altogether, a behavior that may not be tolerated by the owner.

 

Alternatives to declawing exist. Nail caps can be glued painlessly to a
cat's claws to prevent damage due to scratching. A cat can be trained to use
scratching posts to sharpen its claws without damaging furniture. Also,
regular nail trimming, repellent sprays, and double-sided tape applied to
furniture help deter a cat from unwanted scratching.

 

In a 1996 JAVMA article, Gary Patronek, VMD, PhD, using multivariate
statistical analysis, found that declawed cats were at an increased risk of
relinquishment to animal shelters and that among relinquished cats, 52.4% of
declawed cats were reported to exhibit litter box avoidance, compared to
29.1% of non-declawed cats.

 

The risk of cats being relinquished to pounds if the owner cannot declaw the
animal is grossly overestimated by the veterinary profession. In a survey of
owners of cats that had been declawed and their veterinarians, reported by
Dr. Gary Landsberg in Veterinary Forum, September 1994, only 4% of the
owners said they would have relinquished their pet had it not been declawed.
In contrast, the veterinarians in the survey speculated that 50% of the
owners would have relinquished their pets. We could reasonably expect that
if cat owners knew the risks and alternatives to declawing and if
veterinarians took a more active role in offering and assisting with the
alternatives

RE: Autumn - Rough Time

2007-09-24 Thread Melissa Lind
Susan,

 

I'm so sorry to hear about Autumn's troubles. It's so heart-breaking to see
them go through this, and it just doesn't seem fair. How old is little
Autumn? I don't know anything about vets and Interferon, but I do know that
you are a wonderful person for helping this little soul. I hope she
improves, and I hope that you find joy in her small triumphs. Stay strong
for Autumn, and believe that she'll do well. She'll pick up on your
confidence and your vibes, and of course she already knows how much you love
her. Give her a snuggle and a smooch for me.

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Ang
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Autumn - Rough Time

 

Wow it's been a rough time for little Autumn. We just came back from our
second vet visit in two and a half weeks. The first time Autumn was slightly
lethargic with fever and swollen glands so they put her on Amoxicillan. She
responded quickly and perked right up. However, this week she lapsed into
sleeping all the time and retreating into dark places away from people.
Friday she wasn't playing but she was still eating - though not as much.
Saturday we bought her some Innova Evo soft food which she gobbled down.
Yesterday scared me though. She quit eating except for treats and her eyes
looked glassy. She was also vomiting yellow bile. I worried about her
hydration so I used her antibiotic syringe to make her take water. That
seemed to help. Today she wouldn't even eat her treats. We took her in this
morning and the vet gave her Nutri-Cal - she ate it. He also recommended
Pedialyte (unflavored). He was very concerned for her having these kind of
symptoms so young. I asked him about Interferon-A. This is the second vet
we've talked to that doesn't treat with it. I dosed her with the antibiotic
as soon as I got her home and I also gave her more Nutri-cal. She slept
again for about an hour and a half then she got up to come see me and threw
up again. This time I gave her the Pedialyte and more Nutri-cal. She looks
better and she did a little exploring. She didn't retreat to the other room
or her carrier but stayed on the couch. They gave us some prescription food
for sick kitties and I wonder if I should start her on it right away or let
her tummy settle a bit first? 
Emotionally this has been hard. I kept crying every time I thought about
life without her. She brought so much joy to our lives and we love her
dearly. Today I'm doing better because I can actually be Pro-active with the
Pedialyte, NutriCal  and antibiotics. I would give anything to have her
playing with her toys again. 
How do you find a vet who treats with Interferon?
~ Susan A.



RE: Ok, I give up.

2007-09-21 Thread Melissa Lind
I use google picasa. It's free too.  Here's the pics of my foster kitties:

 

http://picasaweb.google.com/mzurovsk/Nonie?authkey=58Zh5l6swyU

 

http://picasaweb.google.com/mzurovsk/Ashley?authkey=imb76PXJObI

 

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 11:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Ok, I give up.

 

As a matter of fact, its funny you should send that email.  I JUST finished
putting them all on Flickr:

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

 

 

 

I have many many more, actually, and I'll probably work on adding some of
them slowly.  Flickr only allows you 100mb a month :)  I'll let you all know
when I update them. 

 

 

Michael





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OT: naughty kitty website

2007-09-21 Thread Melissa Lind
This is a little risqué, but I think it’s funny. Some of their products are
adorable and hilarious! Happy Friday!

 

Melissa Lind

 



RE: naughty kitty website

2007-09-21 Thread Melissa Lind
Oops, forgot to post the site!

 

http://www.hmb-seattle.com/Pussy.htm

 

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melissa Lind
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 10:15 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: naughty kitty website

 

This is a little risqué, but I think it’s funny. Some of their products are
adorable and hilarious! Happy Friday!

 

Melissa Lind

 



OT: litter box problem

2007-09-19 Thread Melissa Lind
Okay, we're still having a problem with baby Penelope (4 months). When she
first came home, she did her business on the laminate floor in front of the
front door. So, I moved one of the litter boxes there. She went fine in the
box. Then, I tried to move the box downstairs-not with the others, but apart
so she'd feel as though it's still for her. No luck. Poop and pee in front
of the front door. Then I moved the box back there. No problems. 

 

I then tried to slowly move the box closer to the downstairs. I placed it
one foot off of the laminate floor on a rug. No luck. Poop and pee on the
floor! 

 

Last night I tried something new. I used the plastic rug liner stuff with
the pokey things on the bottom. Put that face up over the flooring. I
sprayed the area with cat repellant. I woke up to the sound of her trying to
cover her pee on the plastic. Grrr!

 

I cleaned it up. Told her that she needs to go downstairs. I don't think she
was listening. I left the liner there to see what will happen today while
I'm gone, but I'm not hopeful. Any ideas? She's using the box in the
basement, but she still thinks she can go in the old area. I've cleaned up
the area with Catergent which is supposed to remove the enzymes/scent. Plus,
I covered it with owie-plastic stuff which would cover up the smell anyway.
There's really no way to block off the area that I can think of. I can't
think of a way to construct something she can't climb over.

 

I don't think she's doing it out of anxiety (as Bandit was) or because of
any difficulties peeing (besides, it's usually just poop that shows up
there). The puddle that was there this morning was normal colored, etc. 

 

Thanks. I know this is really OT, but I was hoping that you guys have all
had plenty of experience with this.

 

By the way, today is national talk like a pirate day me mateys! 

 

Melissa Lind

Contract Administrator 

DEG Enterprises, Inc.

200 Norfolk Av.

Norfolk, NE  68701

Phone: 402-379-1820

Fax: 402-379-3604

 



RE: OT litter box issue

2007-09-19 Thread Melissa Lind
(My post was held up for being too big-here's what I wrote)

 

Thanks Laurie! That was great advice! I have 6 cats, 3 litter boxes-but
they're huge boxes. I think I might add more though. Penelope was a stray
starving cat I found outside in my mom's bushes when going to feed another
stray (adult). She'd never been in a litter box, but she learned quickly. I
think the problem has to do with the other cats either shooing her away,
like you've suggested, or wanting her own place to go. When she first came
to our house, it can be very intimidating to have to go when there are 5
other big cats who use the same boxes and are hissing/staring at you. Now
they're all nice to her, but I think she still likes her privacy.

 

I never thought about the puppy training pads. That would be a breeze to
clean up! I'll see if I can find some in our neck of the woods.

 

 

Melissa

 

 

 



RE: Transferring the Virus

2007-09-19 Thread Melissa Lind
Hi Dawn,

 

Of course, I forgot again last night to look up that stuff I wanted for you!
I had piano students over, and it gets kinda crazy with trying to make sure
all the cats stay inside and that the kids aren't terrorizing my oldest cat
too much! He can only be pushed so far, and sometimes these kids seem to
forget the differences between dogs and cats. I can just imagine the claws
flying and kids crying and parents complaining..:-)

 

Anyway, I think you're justified in being nervous and scared, but for the
time being until you can test again, try not to obsess too much. I had
someone ask me recently if my worrying had helped me in any way. Hmmm.nope.
It only makes things worse. However, it's easier said than done since I
worry constantly about everything! So I understand what you mean when you
say that it will be a long wait for the next test.

 

I think it's important to weigh both sides and make a decision that you are
truly comfortable with when it comes to mixing. I think that once you've
listened to both points of view, what you ultimately decide has to be based
on what you feel in your gut or heart or whatever. I wouldn't mix, but I
understand that many are very successful with it. But, I have no FeLV
kitties right now, so time will tell.

 

I'm writing down your address so when I get home I'll remember to get that
info emailed to you! Sorry I keep forgetting!

 

Melissa

 

P.S. Those of you with multiple cats will understand my happiness and
excitement when last night I got that best compliment: One of my student's
parents said, Your house smells so good! Take that those who say that
they can ALWAYS tell when people have cats because of the stink! Ha! (On the
other hand, thank goodness for Febreeze!)

 

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Morrison
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Transferring the Virus

 

Melissa and everyone,

Thanks for your input.

I am still highly concerned that my 4 year old will test positive since she
would immediately eat the wet food that was leftover in the food bowl the
FeLV+ ate out of and she was not vaccinated at the time. Only time will tell
I guess, it's going to be a long couple of months waiting for the retest.

 

After the vaccination, I understood that they will test positive but not for
very long afterwards. Our vet suggested having them retested in 6 months,
she said by then we'll have a better idea if the virus has settled in their
system.

 

Yes, I am the one living near Chicago who is looking for a home for Bea.
Still looking for a home for the little one if anyone knows of someone!!

I am just so uncertain of keeping my positive and negatives together, I know
no one knows the answer and it truly is a hard decision to make. I have
heard pro and cons from both sides. I think my biggest concern is our 4 year
old, she likes to play bite and Bea still have her claws. 

 

Thanks

Dawn


 

 

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RE: OT litter box issue

2007-09-19 Thread Melissa Lind
Wow! 3 times a day-if only my kitties were so lucky! Once a day is all I do
for scooping. Now I feel guilty. We change litter every 2 weeks (and wash
out the boxes). I would love to change the litter once a week, but it's so
darn expensive! We use the crystal litter which is more expensive. I know
that clay is cheaper, but we just don't like how it smells, clumps, and
such. We tried the blend for a while, but still didn't like it. So, we're
spending like $90 a month in litter. Yikes. We only have the 3 boxes in the
basement, and thus far with full reign of the house, we've had no problems
(except the pee in the heat vent last winter, but that's resolved). My
husband would freak if we had litter boxes in our bathroom, but ours is very
small-very little room to turn around, let alone put boxes in. Someday with
a bigger house, we'll have a special kitty bathroom. 

 

But, I think I'll pick up a couple more boxes today to put one on the main
floor and an additional one downstairs separate from the others. 

 

I'm amazed that your kitties let you keep them in the bedroom at night! Ours
would positively scratch the carpet away from the door to get out. But, I
suppose once you get on a schedule with them, it would work. Our Angel the
Aristocat only eats at night (she would rather die than dine with the
pack-they're all so proletarian), so she'd be furious if she was shut in,
and the younger ones play what we call rodeo at night (lots of galloping,
chasing, etc.). 

 

Isn't it funny how each house is different? I love learning their
personalities, quirks, preferences, and distastes. I can't imagine a house
without cats-how lonely!

 

Melissa

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:55 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT litter box issue

 

Me again. I have 5 cats. Had 6 until Keisha died in July.

I have 3 boxes in my master bath (second floor) and 3 in my office (first
floor). Had 4 on main level when Keisha was still alive.

I used to have more in laundry room (lower level) and only one in master
bath ~ but have shut them off from that level now. I think they had too much
space. 

 

They do better about the box when they don't have access to the entire
house. Go figure.They also do better when I keep them in my
bedroom/dressing/bath at night instead of giving them access to the entire
house. Since I am with them, I don't feel bad about confining them!

 

When I had 7 cats, I had 9 boxes because Teddy (now deceased) had IBD and
splattered on the sides of the box.  No one wanted to use a box he had
used

another thing, mine won't use covered boxes. I use the high back boxes from
DrsFosterSmith. They are around $9 each. I scoop 3 times a day. Each box
gets dumped and washed and refilled once a week. I completely replace all
boxes once a year (they get bacteria build up). I started using plastic
liners in some of the boxes. (4 of 6) and some of those silly kitties prefer
that.

The only time we have a problem is with something new in the house or when
workers have been here and things don't smell like they should. A little
marking behavior and everything smells cat-proper. Annoying but manageable.
Visitors are always amazed I have as many cats as I do as there is no
telltale odor!

L



RE: OT: litter box problem

2007-09-19 Thread Melissa Lind
Aha! I forgot about the tape trick. I've used the large industrial
double-stick before. That worked for Angel when she was trying to dig a hole
in the carpet to get out the door...

Thanks!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 2:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: litter box problem

   Not sure it would work but maybe try some double sided sticky 
tape where she likes to go on the floor and when you see her go over to 
try and go there pick her up and put her in the cat box where ever it 
may be.

-- 

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RE: OT litter box issue

2007-09-19 Thread Melissa Lind
Isn't it funny what we do for these guys?! I'm always happy to find people
who treat their pets like members of the family and not just accessories.
The baby gate is a good idea. 

 

Yes, once they grow up, it really changes the household. We haven't had
young 'uns for a long time until now. Our oldest two are 5 and 10. Then we
have 4 cats that are under 2 yrs old. That really changed the dynamics of
our previously lazy, lounging household!

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 2:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT litter box issue

 

Hi. My Coco likes to eat at 10AM and 10PM. Everyone else eats at normal
times. Mine also each have their own food and bowl. She sits by her bowl
until I feed her. Gosh we sound pretty regimented but we have some special
needs kitties and so need to feed special foods to some 

 

I am not saying they LIKE to be confined. I have to place a dog gate in
front of the bedroom door so Coco and Cooper don't scratch at the door to
get out. 

 

It seems to be working. Mine are also ages almost 7-11 so not babies who
expect to play during the night~!!

- Original Message - 

From: Melissa Lind mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:22 AM

Subject: RE: OT litter box issue

 

Wow! 3 times a day-if only my kitties were so lucky! Once a day is all I do
for scooping. Now I feel guilty. We change litter every 2 weeks (and wash
out the boxes). I would love to change the litter once a week, but it's so
darn expensive! We use the crystal litter which is more expensive. I know
that clay is cheaper, but we just don't like how it smells, clumps, and
such. We tried the blend for a while, but still didn't like it. So, we're
spending like $90 a month in litter. Yikes. We only have the 3 boxes in the
basement, and thus far with full reign of the house, we've had no problems
(except the pee in the heat vent last winter, but that's resolved). My
husband would freak if we had litter boxes in our bathroom, but ours is very
small-very little room to turn around, let alone put boxes in. Someday with
a bigger house, we'll have a special kitty bathroom. 

 

But, I think I'll pick up a couple more boxes today to put one on the main
floor and an additional one downstairs separate from the others. 

 

I'm amazed that your kitties let you keep them in the bedroom at night! Ours
would positively scratch the carpet away from the door to get out. But, I
suppose once you get on a schedule with them, it would work. Our Angel the
Aristocat only eats at night (she would rather die than dine with the
pack-they're all so proletarian), so she'd be furious if she was shut in,
and the younger ones play what we call rodeo at night (lots of galloping,
chasing, etc.). 

 

Isn't it funny how each house is different? I love learning their
personalities, quirks, preferences, and distastes. I can't imagine a house
without cats-how lonely!

 

Melissa


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:55 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT litter box issue

 

Me again. I have 5 cats. Had 6 until Keisha died in July.

I have 3 boxes in my master bath (second floor) and 3 in my office (first
floor). Had 4 on main level when Keisha was still alive.

I used to have more in laundry room (lower level) and only one in master
bath ~ but have shut them off from that level now. I think they had too much
space. 

 

They do better about the box when they don't have access to the entire
house. Go figure.They also do better when I keep them in my
bedroom/dressing/bath at night instead of giving them access to the entire
house. Since I am with them, I don't feel bad about confining them!

 

When I had 7 cats, I had 9 boxes because Teddy (now deceased) had IBD and
splattered on the sides of the box.  No one wanted to use a box he had
used

another thing, mine won't use covered boxes. I use the high back boxes from
DrsFosterSmith. They are around $9 each. I scoop 3 times a day. Each box
gets dumped and washed and refilled once a week. I completely replace all
boxes once a year (they get bacteria build up). I started using plastic
liners in some of the boxes. (4 of 6) and some of those silly kitties prefer
that.

The only time we have a problem is with something new in the house or when
workers have been here and things don't smell like they should. A little
marking behavior and everything smells cat-proper. Annoying but manageable.
Visitors are always amazed I have as many cats as I do as there is no
telltale odor!

L



RE: OT litter box issue

2007-09-19 Thread Melissa Lind
Yes! Our litter box isn't in there, but we've got three kitties that are
obsessed with drinking out of the tub, so if I go to the bathroom, I have
many helpers, and I always have to turn on the tub for them. They love the
fresh water, even if I've just filled their water bowls. 

I've had fountains in the past, but both have broken. Anyone know of really
good fountains that look nice too? 

Melissa

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 3:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT litter box issue

   Guess I'm lucky, have only ever had 2 litter boxes one in each 
bathroom between the toilet and tub.  Have always just put them there 
and the cats are fine with that.  Funny thing though it never fails the 
minute I go in the bathroom I have a line of kitties that need to go too!!

-- 

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RE: litter box problem

2007-09-19 Thread Melissa Lind
I'll check into that-thanks for the advice!

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 4:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: litter box problem

 

Have you tried Cat Attract in her litterbox?

 

Some folks swear by it.

 

Also,you might have to crate her for a few, that way she can be retrained.

 

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent

 

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Melissa Lind mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:08 AM

Subject: OT: litter box problem

 

Okay, we're still having a problem with baby Penelope (4 months). When she
first came home, she did her business on the laminate floor in front of the
front door. So, I moved one of the litter boxes there. She went fine in the
box. Then, I tried to move the box downstairs-not with the others, but apart
so she'd feel as though it's still for her. No luck. Poop and pee in front
of the front door. Then I moved the box back there. No problems. 

 

I then tried to slowly move the box closer to the downstairs. I placed it
one foot off of the laminate floor on a rug. No luck. Poop and pee on the
floor! 

 

Last night I tried something new. I used the plastic rug liner stuff with
the pokey things on the bottom. Put that face up over the flooring. I
sprayed the area with cat repellant. I woke up to the sound of her trying to
cover her pee on the plastic. Grrr!

 

I cleaned it up. Told her that she needs to go downstairs. I don't think she
was listening. I left the liner there to see what will happen today while
I'm gone, but I'm not hopeful. Any ideas? She's using the box in the
basement, but she still thinks she can go in the old area. I've cleaned up
the area with Catergent which is supposed to remove the enzymes/scent. Plus,
I covered it with owie-plastic stuff which would cover up the smell anyway.
There's really no way to block off the area that I can think of. I can't
think of a way to construct something she can't climb over.

 

I don't think she's doing it out of anxiety (as Bandit was) or because of
any difficulties peeing (besides, it's usually just poop that shows up
there). The puddle that was there this morning was normal colored, etc. 

 

Thanks. I know this is really OT, but I was hoping that you guys have all
had plenty of experience with this.

 

By the way, today is national talk like a pirate day me mateys! 

 

Melissa Lind

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Phone: 402-379-1820

Fax: 402-379-3604

 



RE: Transferring the Virus

2007-09-18 Thread Melissa Lind
Hi Dawn,

 

As far as I know, you cannot transfer it from walking around. It's not that
easy to transfer. I had a FeLV foster cat who stayed in our office room. I
never even washed my hands between petting him and the other cats unless he
drooled on me or something. The virus doesn't live that long. My vet told me
that once it dries (like in saliva), it's dead, so the chances of you
passing anything onto your cats through casual contact is just very small. I
wouldn't even worry about it. My vet's office seemed very unconcerned about
the ability to transfer without bodily fluids transferring. After Cassidy
left (the FeLV kitty), I let the room sit for a day before letting the other
cats back in, but really that was probably unnecessary as well. 

 

I think that's wonderful that you are spending time with Bea in her room.
Poor thing is probably very lonely. I know Cassidy was the same way.
Luckily, I was working at home then (in the home office room where he was),
so he got a lot of attention. However, at night he cried and cried. We had
to put him on kitty Prozac which calmed him down quite a bit without making
him sluggish or drugged. It just decreased his anxiety over being alone at
night when he knew that we were in the room next door.

 

So, overall, I wouldn't stress out about passing it to your other cats. Some
people on this list have mixed their FeLV positives and negatives for many
years without any transfer from shared food and litter boxes. Some on this
list will tell you that they wouldn't have it any other way and that it
really is more difficult to transfer than people think. I, myself, wouldn't
mix unless my cats were quite old (less of a chance of contracting it I've
learned). But, with young kitties in our house, I know if we ever get any
more FeLV fosters, that they will be isolated.

 

I hope this helps. I think the important thing is to relax since Bea and the
others will pick up on your anxiety, and that's not going to be good for Bea
who probably doesn't understand why she has to be alone. I think once you
are more comfortable, then everyone will be too! :-)

 

Best to you and Bea and the other furkids! I hope you find some solutions.
Are you the one in Chicago? I forgot to look at home last night for the
place in Minnesota! I'll try to remember tonight.

 

Melissa

 

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Morrison
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 11:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Transferring the Virus

 

Hello again everyone,

 

Before I had Bea tested, she was with my two other catkids (ages 4  10
years) for 4 days - sharing food (wet  dry), water and liter box. 

It was only after that 4 days did we realize Bea tested positive (Elisa 
IFA)

We immediately took our other two in and had them tested (negative but too
early to tell) and vaccinated.

In anyone's opinion, how great of a chance do you think they will test
positive in 6 months when I re-test them? Do you think there was enough
exposure in those 4 days? I am particularly worried about my 4 year old
because I fed them all wet food and she immediately eats anything that is
leftover from all 3 bowls.

 

Also, Bea is now quarantined in a bedroom by herself and I visit with her as
much as possible when I am home - even sleeping with her at night time to
give her some human contact (much to my husbands dismay). I wash my hands
thoroughly when I leave the room and bea has her own bowls/water dishes that
I keep seperate from my others. She has her own litter box as well. Is it
possible to spread any of the virus from just walking around the room,
transferring it on my clothes then walking through the rest of my house? I'm
just so concerened I'm passing it around more.

 

Thanks

Dawn

 

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RE: Kitten potentially exposed to FeLV

2007-09-17 Thread Melissa Lind
MaryAnne,

 

Welcome to this list! I do not currently have an FeLV cat, but from what
I've learned, it is rather difficult to transfer. The kitten would need to
have come in contact with saliva from those cats or been bitten by them,
etc. I would compare it to the difficulty in transferring AIDS from casual
contact. Also, most people believe that the virus cannot stay alive very
long. What I mean: once the saliva is dry, the virus is dead and
non-transferable. I hope that the man is telling the truth when he says that
the cats were separated.

 

As for vaccinations, I never vaccinate my cats against FeLV for the very
reason you've listed: Vaccine Associated Sarcoma. I'm so sorry you had to go
through this! I am terrified that my cats will get that, so I vaccinate as
little as possible, and definitely not for FeLV since my cats do not go
outside or come in contact with positive cats.

 

As for testing, I think that if your cat tests negative on the IFA (the test
the vet's office sends out for) twice, then you should be fine, but I'm not
sure. I know that with kittens, they need to be of a certain age before
testing is even accurate. Others on this site will know better than I.

 

As for your peace of mind, if your kitten appears healthy right now, I would
hope that all is okay. From what I've read on here, kittens with FeLV are
very symptomatic. However, I'm not as experienced, so I'm sure that you'll
get lots of good advice from others here.

 

What is most important is that you did a wonderful and compassionate thing
by taking this baby into your home. Thanks for helping the helpless!

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maryanne Velard
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 11:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Kitten potentially exposed to FeLV

 

Hi, I'm new to this site, and have a question. This past weekend, I answered
an ad in the paper for a kitten found in backyard of someone's house. I went
to the house, and the man there told me the kitten showed up at his doorstep
about 1 month ago. They he had been feeding him, and I saw the food/water
bowls outside. He told me he had 2 indoor cats. I saw one of them while I
was there. He brought the kitten I adopted inside (it was very friendly,
obviously not ferrel) for me to see. I ended up taking the kitten home. He
looks like he's about 10-12 weeks old.

 

The next day he called me and told me his 2 indoor cats were FeLV+ and that
he lost another cat this past July to FeLV. I asked him if the kitten I took
was exposed to his cats, and he said they remained outdoors and separted all
the time. However, he did allow the kitten inside when I was there visiting,
so I'm not certain I believe him 100%.

 

I will be having the kitten tested Wednesday for FeLV/FIV, and if negative
again in 90 days. This kitten is now in my home strictly indoors, with no
other animals. My question is this, if the combo tests I have done show up
negative, could the kitten still have FeLV lying dormant until something
stressful happens to him, or he gets sick with something else? I've read
some controversies on the Web, and would like to know what the possibilities
are.

 

I had a 19 year old cat that lived her last 4 years with Vaccine Associated
Sarcoma, and it was very emotionally draining. She died this past July.  I'd
like to be sure I start with a healthly kitten, not one that could have this
disease lying dormant.

 

Thank you for your time.

-MaryAnne

  

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RE: Need Home or Foster Home, Chicago IL

2007-09-17 Thread Melissa Lind
Welcome Dawn,

 

I was in your place in April. I already had 3 cats (not FeLV+), but I took
in a stray who was positive. I kept him in our home office room since I
don't mix the positives and negatives.

 

I did a lot of work looking for a home for him. I spent days on the computer
emailing different places.  Eventually, he was accepted at Best Friends
Animal Society in Utah for their FeLV building. He is now a very happy kitty
and very spoiled there with other FeLV kitties.

 

So, you might try contacting them. I don't have the name of my contact
handy, but when I get home (I'm at work), I'll try to find it for you. In
the meantime, here's their website: http://www.bestfriends.org
http://www.bestfriends.org/ 

 

Also, there's a place in Minnesota (Minneapolis) that has a haven for FeLV
kitties. I'll work on finding that place for you since they are much closer
than Utah. However, I did not have luck with them returning my calls.

 

Bless you for taking care of an FeLV+ kitty, and I hope you are able to find
a home for he/she. What's the name?  

 

Melissa

 

 

 

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn Morrison
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 11:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Need Home or Foster Home, Chicago IL

 

Hello all,

 

I was wondering if you knew of anyone who would be willing to take in a 2
year old FeLV+ cat I adopted. I have two other cats that I do not want to
risk exposing, although I may already have.

I am in the Chicago area but willing to travel to find her a good home.

 

Any information or other groups, websites you think may help me I would
greatly appreciate it.

 

Thank you

D

 

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RE: a bit of happy mews.......

2007-09-12 Thread Melissa Lind
Susan-that is wonderful!

 

Could you tell me what you do for an adoption event? I'm interested for the
future when my husband and I hope to run a sanctuary. And, I've got three
fosters that need homes now, so any advice on advertising and such would be
greatly appreciated. The web just really doesn't work for advertising around
here.

 

Thanks,

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:16 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: a bit of happy mews...

 

Today we finally found time to take 6 of our 12 'Houston hoarder cats to
the clinic for retesting.

 

These cats, if you remember, came from a house of 185 neglected cats.

 

Many of the cats were felv+.

 

I took in 14 to foster, and @ first they were all housed in one large walk
in size pen.

 

We were testing them 3 @ a time, and the very last cat that we tested,
Lillian, came up felv+.

 

Which meant all of the other 13 cats had had a continous exposure to felv
for about 3 weeks.

 

In very close quarters.

 

And many of the cats were sick w/ all kinds of problems when we got them, as
well as malnourishment.

 

We had pyrometria, URI, mouth ulcers, toe infections, very stressed out
geriatrics, megacolon, and one little kitty w/seizures that did not make
it...  :( 

to name some of the problems.

 

Anyway, of the 6 that we tested today, all came back neg/neg after a 4month
quarantine.


We are planning an adoption event to be held for them,hopefully this
weekend,so that they can now start finding permanent mew homes.  :)

 

The other 6 are in a separate pen, and we will be getting their tests
performed the first of next week.

 

Please wish them well..

 

 

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent

 

 

 

 



RE: a bit of happy mews.......

2007-09-12 Thread Melissa Lind
We don't have a Petsmart or Petco within 60 miles or so. I guess I'll have
to get inventive in this area.

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 11:00 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: a bit of happy mews...

 

We do adoptions @ Petsmart, ofcourse.

 

And we sign up for additional time during the week when there is space
available.

 

We list on Craigslist, Petfinder,probably some other places too.

 

Wemakebig postersw/before  afterphotos detailingtheir plight.

 

We have one person who does our screening in the Austin area.

 

We are hoping tohave a shelter /group foster home by next spring.

 

That really would help.

 

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent

 

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Melissa Lind mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:53 AM

Subject: RE: a bit of happy mews...

 

Susan-that is wonderful!

 

Could you tell me what you do for an adoption event? I'm interested for the
future when my husband and I hope to run a sanctuary. And, I've got three
fosters that need homes now, so any advice on advertising and such would be
greatly appreciated. The web just really doesn't work for advertising around
here.

 

Thanks,

Melissa

 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:16 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: a bit of happy mews...

 

Today we finally found time to take 6 of our 12 'Houston hoarder cats to
the clinic for retesting.

 

These cats, if you remember, came from a house of 185 neglected cats.

 

Many of the cats were felv+.

 

I took in 14 to foster, and @ first they were all housed in one large walk
in size pen.

 

We were testing them 3 @ a time, and the very last cat that we tested,
Lillian, came up felv+.

 

Which meant all of the other 13 cats had had a continous exposure to felv
for about 3 weeks.

 

In very close quarters.

 

And many of the cats were sick w/ all kinds of problems when we got them, as
well as malnourishment.

 

We had pyrometria, URI, mouth ulcers, toe infections, very stressed out
geriatrics, megacolon, and one little kitty w/seizures that did not make
it...  :( 

to name some of the problems.

 

Anyway, of the 6 that we tested today, all came back neg/neg after a 4month
quarantine.


We are planning an adoption event to be held for them,hopefully this
weekend,so that they can now start finding permanent mew homes.  :)

 

The other 6 are in a separate pen, and we will be getting their tests
performed the first of next week.

 

Please wish them well..

 

 

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent

 

 

 

 



RE: a bit of happy mews: and OT question

2007-09-12 Thread Melissa Lind
Susan, Do you mean for shopping for cat food and litter? We get the litter
from Target (Fresh Step crystals) and the food from the vet. We have to give
prescription food (Science Diet CD) to Bandit, so they all get it. Penelope
(baby) gets kitten food as much as we can.

 

If I need other stuff like toys, Target is good. Otherwise, I order stuff
on-line like our hair ball lick stick, cleaning spray, cat nip, etc. I don't
give supplements, and I know I probably should, but none of my cats is FeLV+
and all seem to be healthy. Ashley beat a soft poo problem with antibiotics,
and Penelope is gaining weight everyday. Just wish her dewormer would run
the course and that her system would settle down. Wow does that stink.

 

Question for anyone: Penelope (4 months) was pooping on some linoleum by our
front door (not urinating though). So, I moved one of the litter boxes to
that spot. She used it fine (after adding a little dirt and other cats'
poops). Now I'm trying to move the box downstairs with the others, a little
bit at a time since when I moved it to the bottom of the stairs all at once,
she didn't use it (used the laminate floor upstairs).  This time, I only
moved it about a foot, and put it on a rug on the carpet next to the
laminated area. No luck. She pooped on the laminate floor. So, I moved the
box back to the laminate floor but in a different spot to test. No problem.
She used it fine. What's going on? Why won't she go off the flooring? Any
suggestions? I can't have a litter box greeting people every time they walk
in the front door! 

 

Thanks,

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: a bit of happy mews...

 

Geez, that's too bad.

 

How do you shop?

 

Just drive to Petsmart once a week  loadup?

 

 

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent

 

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Melissa Lind mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 11:12 AM

Subject: RE: a bit of happy mews...

 

We don't have a Petsmart or Petco within 60 miles or so. I guess I'll have
to get inventive in this area.

 

Melissa

 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 11:00 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: a bit of happy mews...

 

We do adoptions @ Petsmart, ofcourse.

 

And we sign up for additional time during the week when there is space
available.

 

We list on Craigslist, Petfinder,probably some other places too.

 

Wemakebig postersw/before  afterphotos detailingtheir plight.

 

We have one person who does our screening in the Austin area.

 

We are hoping tohave a shelter /group foster home by next spring.

 

That really would help.

 

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent

 

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Melissa Lind mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:53 AM

Subject: RE: a bit of happy mews...

 

Susan-that is wonderful!

 

Could you tell me what you do for an adoption event? I'm interested for the
future when my husband and I hope to run a sanctuary. And, I've got three
fosters that need homes now, so any advice on advertising and such would be
greatly appreciated. The web just really doesn't work for advertising around
here.

 

Thanks,

Melissa

 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:16 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: a bit of happy mews...

 

Today we finally found time to take 6 of our 12 'Houston hoarder cats to
the clinic for retesting.

 

These cats, if you remember, came from a house of 185 neglected cats.

 

Many of the cats were felv+.

 

I took in 14 to foster, and @ first they were all housed in one large walk
in size pen.

 

We were testing them 3 @ a time, and the very last cat that we tested,
Lillian, came up felv+.

 

Which meant all of the other 13 cats had had a continous exposure to felv
for about 3 weeks

RE: Post-fire update/New home!!!

2007-09-12 Thread Melissa Lind
Susan: Congratulations on your new home! I hope Lil Mister and Tuffy find
you soon, but that's great that you've been so successful considering the
circumstances. I wish I could help you with the new trees and such! Best of
luck with everything and what amazing landlords you must have!

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 1:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Post-fire update/New home!!!

 

It had to be rescue friendly.  That's why it took a month to find.

 

SuppliesI'm afraid what we need at this point is stuff that's too big to
ship.  The cats really need new cat trees.  All three of the ones we had
were so infused with smoke that they were just unusable.  I do need to
replace carriers and traps over time.  Mine were stored in the basement
where the fire started and I'm working with borrowed ones that really need
to be returned soon.  But we're good on litter boxes, bowls, that sort of
thing.

 

It is such a relief to have everyone moved.  I felt so vulnerable in the
little apartment where we had been staying -- ground floor, street front,
two rooms and 20 cats.  Nice to have them in a house again.

Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Susan,

It's great that you've found a rescue friendly place/landlords!!
Maybe Lil Mister  Tuffy are only waiting until you had a new home
to bring them to before they show themselves again 
for you to find them.

Now that you have a place - what do you need in the way of supplies??

Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, Susan Hoffman wrote:

 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:25:29 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Susan Hoffman 
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Post-fire update/New home!!!
 
 [Sorry for the generic format but I figure it's the best way to update
everyone and make sure you all have my new phone number.]
 
 First of all, we have a new home - a small two-bedroom house in a quiet
area, easy-to-clean teak floors through most of the house and a really cool
bathroom with slate floors and a slate shower. The owners are genuinely
rescue-friendly. The real litmus test was when I asked about relocating the
remaining two ferals (Cutie-Pie and Pumpkin) from the backyard of my old
burned-out place to our new back yard and was told, without hesitation,
yes, of course, bring them. So, we are home. 
 
 New phone number (should be on this afternoon) is 707-554-2371. DSL
service should be transferred in 7 to 10 days. Almost functional again!
 
 Of the two remaining ferals - Trapped Cutie-Pie last night (and did she
ever look pi**ed when I showed up this morning). She's now cooling her heels
in a condo cage in my new backyard. Re-setting traps again tonight at the
old house in hopes of getting Pumpkin.
 
 Lil Mister and Tuffy, two of the cats who ran out during the fire, remain
missing. We've been looking for them night and day, cruising alleys, posting
flyers, etc. Still no sign of them.
 
 I want to say again THANK YOU! The support we received after the fire was
amazing and it really kept us going. I can't imagine having gotten through
this without friends supporting us and keeping us sane. 
 
 



 



RE: Post-fire update/New home!!!

2007-09-12 Thread Melissa Lind
I'll tell my kitties to keep their paws crossed for your lost ones!

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Post-fire update/New home!!!

 

What has also been nice has been seeing adoptions happen even while we tried
to get resettled.  Five of the kittens who were there on the day of the fire
were adopted from their foster home last week (and only 25 or so left in
that foster home, but she's working on it), adults and other kittens have
been adopted from wherever they were staying after the fire, including one
FIV+ girl.  Now, as I'm getting a landline and DSL back up and running, I
can really focus in on adoptions and get rolling again.

 

I really hope Lil Mister and Tuffy show up.  I'm sure both have gone
absolutely feral at this point.  I keep hoping to find one of them in one of
the traps being set for Pumpkin and Cutie-Pie.

Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Susan: Congratulations on your new home! I hope Lil Mister and Tuffy find
you soon, but that's great that you've been so successful considering the
circumstances. I wish I could help you with the new trees and such! Best of
luck with everything and what amazing landlords you must have!

 

Melissa

 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 1:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Post-fire update/New home!!!

 

It had to be rescue friendly.  That's why it took a month to find.

 

SuppliesI'm afraid what we need at this point is stuff that's too big to
ship.  The cats really need new cat trees.  All three of the ones we had
were so infused with smoke that they were just unusable.  I do need to
replace carriers and traps over time.  Mine were stored in the basement
where the fire started and I'm working with borrowed ones that really need
to be returned soon.  But we're good on litter boxes, bowls, that sort of
thing.

 

It is such a relief to have everyone moved.  I felt so vulnerable in the
little apartment where we had been staying -- ground floor, street front,
two rooms and 20 cats.  Nice to have them in a house again.

Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Susan,

It's great that you've found a rescue friendly place/landlords!!
Maybe Lil Mister  Tuffy are only waiting until you had a new home
to bring them to before they show themselves again 
for you to find them.

Now that you have a place - what do you need in the way of supplies??

Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007, Susan Hoffman wrote:

 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:25:29 -0700 (PDT)
 From: Susan Hoffman 
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Post-fire update/New home!!!
 
 [Sorry for the generic format but I figure it's the best way to update
everyone and make sure you all have my new phone number.]
 
 First of all, we have a new home - a small two-bedroom house in a quiet
area, easy-to-clean teak floors through most of the house and a really cool
bathroom with slate floors and a slate shower. The owners are genuinely
rescue-friendly. The real litmus test was when I asked about relocating the
remaining two ferals (Cutie-Pie and Pumpkin) from the backyard of my old
burned-out place to our new back yard and was told, without hesitation,
yes, of course, bring them. So, we are home. 
 
 New phone number (should be on this afternoon) is 707-554-2371. DSL
service should be transferred in 7 to 10 days. Almost functional again!
 
 Of the two remaining ferals - Trapped Cutie-Pie last night (and did she
ever look pi**ed when I showed up this morning). She's now cooling her heels
in a condo cage in my new backyard. Re-setting traps again tonight at the
old house in hopes of getting Pumpkin.
 
 Lil Mister and Tuffy, two of the cats who ran out during the fire, remain
missing. We've been looking for them night and day, cruising alleys, posting
flyers, etc. Still no sign of them.
 
 I want to say again THANK YOU! The support we received after the fire was
amazing and it really kept us going. I can't imagine having gotten through
this without friends supporting us and keeping us sane. 
 
 

 

 



RE: Collecting a stool sample?

2007-09-12 Thread Melissa Lind
My vet just told me to watch and collect poop when the kitty goes-pick out
of litter box. As for urine, that I've never tried. I've seen my vet do
it-he'll squeeze kitty in a certain spot and then kitty will go on the
table. Then the vet used a syringe to collect off the table. I wouldn't try
the squeezing, but if you could catch the urine in a bowl as she is going,
then you could get a syringe-full or put it in a plastic glad-ware container
or some such thing. Regardless, it won't be much fun staking out the litter
box! Good luck, and best wishes for Grizzabella.

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Collecting a stool sample?

 

Hey guys,

 

I just got home a few minutes ago and Jeff had been holding Grizzabella
earlier.  Apparently there was some blood on his shirt where he was holding
her.  I'm not sure if its rectal or vaginal bleeding, but I'm sure when I
take her to the vet they're going to want samples, so do you guys have any
recommendations as to how I can collect a stool and/or urine sample?  I've
never attempted it, and I wouldn't even know where to start.  Geez!  It
seems like its already started. :/

 

Michael





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RE: Collecting a stool sample?

2007-09-12 Thread Melissa Lind
What a great idea!

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kat
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Collecting a stool sample?

Hi Michael,

To collect a urine sample, try replacing the litter with those little
aquarium pebbles/stones.  That way when Grizzabella goes in the litter
box, you can just pour off the urine into a container.  It's much easier
than trying to collect a sample mid-stream.

Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:19:52 EDT
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Collecting a stool sample?
 
 Hey guys,
  
 I just got home a few minutes ago and Jeff had been holding Grizzabella  
 earlier.  Apparently there was some blood on his shirt where he was
holding her.  
 I'm not sure if its rectal or vaginal bleeding, but I'm sure  when I take
her 
 to the vet they're going to want samples, so do you guys have  any 
 recommendations as to how I can collect a stool and/or urine sample?
I've never 
 attempted it, and I wouldn't even know where to start.   Geez!  It seems
like its 
 already started. :/
  
 Michael
 
 
 
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RE: Collecting a stool sample?

2007-09-12 Thread Melissa Lind
Mine usually scamper to see who can be the first to go in the new litter.
The things that excite them never cease to amaze me! Maybe changing the
litter will tempt her to go?

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Collecting a stool sample?

 

My vet tech said they just need it not totally covered in cyrstals, so I
always brought in fresh stool that hadn't gotten buried after many other
Monkee-trips to the box.  It doesn't have to be completely clear, just not
entirely covered and not day-old poo.  But I only had one cat, and yeah,
getting her actual poo is going to the trick.  I don't know if this would
work, but Monkee was regular as clock-work when I fed him wet food.  He
would eat it, and then poo.  If she is regular like that, you might want to
feed her in a separate room with a mini-litter box and then get the sample
right after she goes (if segregating her like that temporarily won't effect
her).  

-Caroline 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Collecting a stool sample?
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:39:55 EDT




I guess I'm having a hard time figuring out the free of litter part.  With
three cats, its tough to know who's used the litter box.  I could keep it
scooped and watch for her, I suppose, but will a sample I just scoop out be
ok?  I mean, after she's covered it up, do I just scoop it out and take it?
:/ 

 

I'm beginning to think the bleeding is from her urinary tract, but I can't
be sure.  I say this because when I went in the laundry room and examined
the litterbox area, I found a tiny drop of clear liquid (about the size of
half a pea) with what looked like traces of blood in it. (I didn't have
enough sense to grab a syringe and collect it to take with me :(   )  I
guess I'm going to call my vet, or decide if I want to start using another
vet, and figure out what to do.

 

Thanks for the pointers guys!

Michael






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RE: Update on papillon

2007-09-11 Thread Melissa Lind
Susan,

 

This is such a bittersweet comment that you've made. It made me smile and
tear up. I think that you are all very special people to be going through
the happiness and sadness that this calling in life brings. I'm hoping for
the best for Pappy.

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 4:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; asr
Subject: Update on papillon

 

Papillon had his vet visit today.

 

He has been lethargic lately and yesterday he stumbled when he tried to
walk.

 

Dr. Smith found that his heart rate is up, he is having eye redness
w/discharge, his stomach is beginning to collect fluid and I believe his
temperature was up too.

 

Prognosis is that his felv is on the rise, so to say.

 

He received a cocktail shot of Depo Medrol, Dexamethasone  B-12  some
eye drops to be given TID.

 

And he told me that this was all we were going to do, and I am to call him
daily w/  reports.

 

Once they start having the neuro problems, it never goes back to normal.

 

I am going to accept this, my funds are always tight  Dr. Smith knows this.

 

He also knows that I am in the felv+ kitty club for good, and he knows
also how many more special needscats I have.

 

And he has seen this condition so many times,so, he knows what he is dealing
with.

 

He stressed 2 things for Pappy, good nutrition w/ supplements  stress free
lifestyle as possible.

 

Those are the keys to the felv+ kingdom right now.

 

I also think what Tad posted a while back made alot of sense, that we take
them in, knowing they are going to die sooner rather than later, and it will
hurt us, but we go on.


We just do the best that we can do for these cats that not many people will
open their homes to.

 

And it is not their fault, continously dealing w/ the death of a beloved pet
is hard on our souls.

 

I understand why folks cannot do this on a regular basis.

 

We are blessed to have them, in so many ways, and it hurts when they pass,
but we just hold them in their final hours and tell them they are the best
little kitty in the whole wideworld.

 

But until then, everyday that we have them we greet them w/a smile and we
tell  them  how  much we love them and how much they mean to
us.. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent

 

 

 

 



RE: Kaylee is gone

2007-09-11 Thread Melissa Lind
Chris,

 

I'm so sorry to hear about precious Kaylee. I hope you find comfort and
strength. You're in my prayers,

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Behnke
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:14 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Kaylee is gone

 

I just came back from the vets after saying goodbye to my girl.  The tumor
had eaten away too much at her eye and nose area that there was no hope.  I
could have brought her home but it would only have been a few days and she
wouldn't have felt good.  So I went to the vets and said my goodbyes while
she was still sedated and held her while I had to let go.  Thank you
everyone for you support.

 

Chris

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RE: Monkee's Funeral Service

2007-09-10 Thread Melissa Lind
Caroline,

 

I think that's wonderful what you are doing in Monkee's honor and for Rambo.
That's nice that your community has such programs. No such luck here in the
sticks. So, your Catholic church has a place for memorial services for
animals and such? I'm Catholic, and I can't imagine our church doing such a
thing, but we're a little far behind the times I think. The Pope said some
nice things about animals having souls or some such thing. I thought that
was rather progressive for a conservative pope. I'll have to look for that
quote somewhere. He also lamented the treatment of animals today for food
(factory farms, etc.).

 

As for the poetry, I know exactly what you mean! I'm an English major
(finishing up masters), but I'm not a creative writer by any means. I love
writing analytically. Essays get me very excited. I even applied to law
school but chickend out and didn't take the LSAT. I appreciate poetry, but
always thought that those who write it are totally different from me. It's
all too abstract for my liking. Well, when facing the loss of my second
pregnancy last year, I found myself in a really poetic state. Odd. I'd jot
down phrases and observations while driving. There must be something
therapeutic about it. I've never written a poem out of my ideas, but I've
hung onto them in case I decide to sometime. Creative writing hurts my
brain-the right side, since my days are spent in total left-brain-ness, but
I think that poetry can be very healing. You should share your poem if
you're comfortable with that. 

 

I hope your service planning goes well. I completely understand about your
sister. My family is not very understanding about my animal passion. At
least your mom is helpful. Mine just bugs me to take her pets off her hands!
I finally got sick of it and told her that when she has 6 pets, then she can
ask me to take some, but until then, please don't bother me about it
anymore. Her pets have a fine home. They are in no need of rescue. If my mom
and sisters weren't so darn lazy and self-centered.

 

Enough ranting! I was trying to be supportive of you! Anyway, let us know
how it goes. I'm sure it will give you some peace to put Monkee to rest. It
will also allow you some time to grieve and get some sadness out. 

 

Best,

Melissa

 

 

 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 8:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Monkee's Funeral Service

 

Melissa: In answer to your question, we haven't done Monkee's funeral
service yet.  BUT WE ARE GOING TO DO IT.  My mom and I spent a lot of time
debating where to do it and if we wanted a religious or lay person to do a
reading/say something.  We found the location...a barn behind my the
church I grew up going to and where I went to school.  The barn isn't really
a barn, it's a building that used to be a barn.  And tho I went to a
Catholic church and school, my mom was surprised to discover that they now
use the barn and the outdoor area behind it for things just like this.  I
kind of put it on my mom to help plan it and make phone calls/inquires and
she just lost track.  

This Sunday, we are going to the Pet Memorial Ceremony sponsored by Chance's
Spot- an online community for those grieving the loss of a pet.  It's at an
outdoor Amphitheater and there will be readings and music and everyone who
attends will get their pet's name read aloud.  I planned to take both Monkee
and Rambo (the last of our geriatric cats- 19 yo- and my favorite of the
litter, whom we put to sleep last Oct).  And by take- I mean their ashes.

We are still doing a separate, private ceremony for Monkee.  I wanted to do
it prior to the group ceremony on Sunday, but we just ran out of time.  I
wanted to do it tomorrow, but my Mom was dying to go to Morristown, TN to
visit her only granddaughter, Lily, and she does SO much for me, that I
can't begrudge her that.  

I will definitely let you know what we decide to do.  I am going to have
memorial prayer cards made for everyone who sent me a sympathy card (I got
tons).  My sister thinks I am crazy for wanting to do that (she told my mom
that), but she can go to H-LL!  There's a company that makes Pet Prayer
Cards online and I have picked out what I want and the pic of Monkee I want
on it.  Still deciding about the text.  I wrote a poem a week after Monkee
died.  I am NOT a poem writer AT ALL tho.  I am a writer, but not a poem
writer!  But it just came out...I still don't know where it came from?  I
thought about putting the poem I wrote on the prayer cards, especially if I
read it (or have it read- I don't know if I can get thru it) at Monkee's
ceremony.  The only person I have shared it with is my mom, yet she still
hasn't read it yet because she says she can't (because she cries)- so I
don't know if it's any good or not!  

 

But, I will keep you updated on what we decide.  I'm pretty confident The
Monk will always be my most 

RE: My new pimp daddy cat trees

2007-09-10 Thread Melissa Lind
Pet trees are so expensive-but yours sounds actually worth it. Some are so
overpriced for the crappy materials that are used. We've been meaning to
build a cat play house, but haven't yet. 

 

One thing we do is to take old spools that electrical wire was on, or
welding wire (from local companies), and cover them in scrap carpet. Our
cats love it, and the spools aren't too big for our living room. They're
about chair-height, and the cats just love ripping into them. They can also
sit on top (carpet covers the hole), and play king of the spool while
swatting each other on and off! Such fun!

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 5:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT:My new pimp daddy cat trees

 

Last spring we had a table @ the Austin cat show as usual, and while there,
I purchased a new cat tree for a great price.

 

$225. sounds high, but this thing was hand made, very well hand made.

 

Very heavy base ( I could not even drag this thing) w/ 3 perches, 2 that
were semi circle  wrapped w/ a material that prevents kitty from falling
off while slumbering.

 

Like a lip kinda thing.

 

The 4 posts holding up the tree are all wrapped w/ sisal.

 

Anyway, I choose the black carpet w/ faux leopard carpet (had no idea THAT
idea could  be found) that wrap the perches.

 

Kitties LOVE it.

 

They LOVE it s much, they found the man's business card in my wallet and
ordered 2 more.

 

Only he is out of black carpet so what does he use instead?

 

Purple

 

Royal purple w/ leopard fur trim..

 

Just like a cat to pick THAT combination...

 

I am going to have to watch their spending habits more closely

 

 

 

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent

 

 

 

 



RE: Question about eye ulcers -Update

2007-09-10 Thread Melissa Lind
Thinking about you and Kaylee. I hope everything turns out okay. Hoping for
the best.

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Behnke
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2007 7:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Question about eye ulcers -Update

 

Well, after spending over 2 hours at the vets this morning, it turns out
that Kaylee does not have conjunctivitis, herpes or a corneal ulcer.  What
she does have is a tumor.  She will be going into surgery on Tuesday to have
the tumor and, unfortunately, the eye removed.  I am very worried about this
since I have heard so many horror stories about FeLV+ cats not making it
through surgery.  Please say a prayer for a successful surgery, removal of
the tumor and a good recovery.  

 

Thanks,
Chris


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RE: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty

2007-09-07 Thread Melissa Lind
Congrats Megan on the new kitty! Yes, of course no kitty could replace
Olive, but I think it's wonderful that you and your roommate are so caring
and understanding! 

I have a kitty that is not old, but she's just disproportional. She's about
a year old. I got her in April--rescued from eating out of a dumpster--so
she was very malnourished. Her body is much bigger than I would expect her
head to be. She's cute, but not a cat that you would call beautiful--I tell
her that she's beautiful inside! 

Have you named the little one? My suggestion would be to get it to the vet
for wormer, ear mites, etc. and see how old he/she is.

Best of luck!

Melissa

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan Heikkinen
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty

First off, I want to thank all of you for your condolences. I miss Olive,
but 
I am doing much better. Although it hurts and sometimes I question myself, I

think I did the right thing. I couldn't stand seeing her suffering.

And now there is a new kitty in the household. I am by no means trying to 
replace Olive, because that would be impossible. My mom's new neighbors had 
this little kitten that they didn't take care of, and so my mom was letting 
her stay inside. Stepdad won't let her keep it, so she sorta kinda pushes it

on me... My roommate decides to take her, because her cat is way back in New

Jersey and she wants her own kitty. So, the little kitty is in her room for 
now, because I do not want to take any chance whatsoever of getting my cats 
sick. Although, this thing is slightly malnourished and dirty, and my guess
is 
that it's probably FeLV-negative, otherwise it probably wouldn't still be 
alive. Still, I want to take precautions.

Here's the weird thing about this cat: It's very very small, and at first 
glance looks like a small kitten. However, it's got the proportions of an 
adult cat. It's so strange. She looks like a miniature cat. Could her growth

have been stunted, perhaps? Or do some kittens just turn out that way?

I want to get her tested ASAP, so she isn't stuck by herself in a tiny room,

but I have no idea how old she is. Size-wise, she looks maybe a month or so,

but if it IS possible her growth was stunted The vet techs told me that 
you can't really tell if they're positive or negative until around 4 months,

but I don't want to keep her cooped up in my roommate's room for the next
few 
months.

-Megan








RE: OT: RE: new kitty, fingers crossed

2007-09-07 Thread Melissa Lind
Yes, hubby noticed the new addition (Penelope) yesterday and was upset,
frustrated, anxious, but after a day at work, he came home and was fine.
He's now interested in her, and he can chuckle at my plotting and scheming.
He does appreciate my compassion even though it might stress him out at
times. He was surprised to learn how long we'd had the kitten (albeit at the
vet's office) since I can't keep a secret. She's so small, he really can't
be angry for long-plus, how could he be angry when I'd cooked all his
favorite foods?! :-) It's amazing what food can do!

 

Penelope is getting braver every day. She's following me around now, and
after cleaning up about 8 piles of runny poo, she's now figured out the
litter box. I think she knew what it was, but didn't want to intrude on the
other cats' territory. I moved a litter box to the poo area (luckily it was
on linoleum), sprinkled dirt on the top, and mixed in some other cats' poo,
and she went right away! Yea! I was near tears from all the poos I had to
clean-very afraid that she wouldn't learn-but all has worked out smoothly.

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 2:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: RE: new kitty, fingers crossed

 

Melissa,

 

I'm so sorry for your losses.  After all you've been through your hubby
should let you keep a little kitten for a while.  Shouldn't he???

t

Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Well, here's the update: first of all, for those of you who might remember,
I mentioned being in the family way a while back, so you might be concerned
about my alcohol intake. I guess I didn't mention that we lost the baby :-(.
Not that I want to burden you guys with personal stuff, but for those who
were scratching their heads and wondering what kind of person I was..

 

Anyway, I was so excited to have a couple come over to the house this
weekend to look at our foster kitties. After meeting the two kitties at our
house, it seemed that they wanted to take baby kitty (as yet unnamed) from
the vets' office sight unseen. That sounded great! Alas, baby kitty is still
at the vets'. I'll pick her up today after work. My husband still doesn't
know about this kitty. I think I'll just bring her home and when he returns
from out of town tomorrow, I'll just wait until he notices the baby running
around and blame it on a spay/neuter gone bad (our cats are multiplying!).
The people who were interested in her might take her at Thanksgiving time
(when they return). In the meantime, it's my plan to take lots of pictures
of her and send them to tempt them. They live in Michigan (I live in
Nebraska), so travel would not be difficult to arrange.

 

As for the name, it still hasn't come to me. The drink was just a Vox vodka
with diet 7-up and a splash of sweet/sour mix. Vox, fox, foxy? Maybe. I know
it will come to me. 

 

Also, I'm kind of a sentimental person (sometimes), and I can't help but
thinking that fate sent baby to us since we just lost our own (3rd loss for
us). So, although I want to keep this post to cat issues, I can't help but
think that it was more than coincidence that brought us together. 

 

I'll try to post some pictures of baby tomorrow.

 

Melissa

 

 

 


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RE: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty

2007-09-07 Thread Melissa Lind
Thanks Glenda! I appreciate the support. Yes, it sometimes feels as though
we're alone as animal-lovers in this state. With you in the West, me in the
East, we're bound to make a difference state-wide! :)

Good luck naming the last two--make sure you knock on wood when you say that
they are really the last! Ha Ha! Famous last words as they say...

Melissa

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of glenda Goodman
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:36 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty

Melissa, 
You are a sweetheart! 
I wish you and every kitty you encounter the best of
everything. I'm proud and grateful to know you
actually live in Nebraska! Together, we will hold down
the state! 
I think it goes, without saying, when your heart
breaks, I can feel it here. You just take care of
yourself. 
Your husband sounds like a very nice and special
person. You obviously have a very dear and loving
relationship.
Love from, Glenda, Feeto, Bruno, Dingo,Velcro, Gracie,
little Boy and Little Girl. I still have not named the
last two...And it IS, my last two. Really!
 Glenda 
--- Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Congrats Megan on the new kitty! Yes, of course no
 kitty could replace
 Olive, but I think it's wonderful that you and your
 roommate are so caring
 and understanding! 
 
 I have a kitty that is not old, but she's just
 disproportional. She's about
 a year old. I got her in April--rescued from eating
 out of a dumpster--so
 she was very malnourished. Her body is much bigger
 than I would expect her
 head to be. She's cute, but not a cat that you would
 call beautiful--I tell
 her that she's beautiful inside! 
 
 Have you named the little one? My suggestion would
 be to get it to the vet
 for wormer, ear mites, etc. and see how old he/she
 is.
 
 Best of luck!
 
 Melissa
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Megan Heikkinen
 Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 10:04 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty
 
 First off, I want to thank all of you for your
 condolences. I miss Olive,
 but 
 I am doing much better. Although it hurts and
 sometimes I question myself, I
 
 think I did the right thing. I couldn't stand seeing
 her suffering.
 
 And now there is a new kitty in the household. I am
 by no means trying to 
 replace Olive, because that would be impossible. My
 mom's new neighbors had 
 this little kitten that they didn't take care of,
 and so my mom was letting 
 her stay inside. Stepdad won't let her keep it, so
 she sorta kinda pushes it
 
 on me... My roommate decides to take her, because
 her cat is way back in New
 
 Jersey and she wants her own kitty. So, the little
 kitty is in her room for 
 now, because I do not want to take any chance
 whatsoever of getting my cats 
 sick. Although, this thing is slightly malnourished
 and dirty, and my guess
 is 
 that it's probably FeLV-negative, otherwise it
 probably wouldn't still be 
 alive. Still, I want to take precautions.
 
 Here's the weird thing about this cat: It's very
 very small, and at first 
 glance looks like a small kitten. However, it's got
 the proportions of an 
 adult cat. It's so strange. She looks like a
 miniature cat. Could her growth
 
 have been stunted, perhaps? Or do some kittens just
 turn out that way?
 
 I want to get her tested ASAP, so she isn't stuck by
 herself in a tiny room,
 
 but I have no idea how old she is. Size-wise, she
 looks maybe a month or so,
 
 but if it IS possible her growth was stunted The
 vet techs told me that 
 you can't really tell if they're positive or
 negative until around 4 months,
 
 but I don't want to keep her cooped up in my
 roommate's room for the next
 few 
 months.
 
 -Megan
 
 
 
 
 
 
 



 


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RE: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty

2007-09-07 Thread Melissa Lind
Dede,

Sounds like Jim was amazing! I can't believe all his mishaps! Wow! What a
character! Thinking of you...

Melisssa

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dede hicken
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 10:49 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty

Thank you, Diane.  Jim was quite a cat.  He liked to
flirt with disaster.  When he was a kitten, a neighbor
kid said they found him in a box on the RR tracks. 
That is how we got him  10 yrs ago, we was shut in the
neighbor's garage door.  He lived, and had a paralyzed
leg for awhile.  Pretty soon he was back to smacking
everyone.  Then, he got shut in the dryer...long
story, but he lived through that too!  He started
loosing weight last yr.  We never could pin point the
exact cause.  The last time we took him to the vet,
they felt masses in his kidney and spleen.  He also
had a severe heart arythmia.  So, after 14 yrs of
companionship, we let him go.  He always thought he
was all that so I'm sure someone at the bridge will
have to have a talk with him!!!

Dede



--- Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dede, I'm so sorry to hear about Jim.  Hugs to you. 
 I'm sure Jim is
 happily playing at the Bridge.
 
 Diane R.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of dede hicken
 Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:42 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: Slightly OT: Thanks; new kitty
 
 Megan,
 I am very sorry for your loss of Olive.  I haven't
 been on the computer as much, and i missed her
 passing.  My beautiful long haired orange boy, Jim
 had
 cancer, and we PTS 2 wks ago...I know how you feel.
 
 About the new kitty.  In doing rescue work, we HAVE
 soon adult cats that look like 6 mo old.  Actually,
 my
 Madonna who is deaf, and left at the colony we were
 feeding is very small.  I was very surprised when I
 took the kitten to the vet and he said she was at
 least 2 yrs old.  I do think that if they do not get
 the right nourishment during their prime growth
 period, they may be stunted in growth.
 
 Do get her tested right away, and the best of luck
 to
 you all.
 
 Dede
 
 
 
 --- Megan Heikkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  First off, I want to thank all of you for your
  condolences. I miss Olive, but 
  I am doing much better. Although it hurts and
  sometimes I question myself, I 
  think I did the right thing. I couldn't stand
 seeing
  her suffering.
  
  And now there is a new kitty in the household. I
 am
  by no means trying to 
  replace Olive, because that would be impossible.
 My
  mom's new neighbors had 
  this little kitten that they didn't take care of,
  and so my mom was letting 
  her stay inside. Stepdad won't let her keep it, so
  she sorta kinda pushes it 
  on me... My roommate decides to take her, because
  her cat is way back in New 
  Jersey and she wants her own kitty. So, the little
  kitty is in her room for 
  now, because I do not want to take any chance
  whatsoever of getting my cats 
  sick. Although, this thing is slightly
 malnourished
  and dirty, and my guess is 
  that it's probably FeLV-negative, otherwise it
  probably wouldn't still be 
  alive. Still, I want to take precautions.
  
  Here's the weird thing about this cat: It's very
  very small, and at first 
  glance looks like a small kitten. However, it's
 got
  the proportions of an 
  adult cat. It's so strange. She looks like a
  miniature cat. Could her growth 
  have been stunted, perhaps? Or do some kittens
 just
  turn out that way?
  
  I want to get her tested ASAP, so she isn't stuck
 by
  herself in a tiny room, 
  but I have no idea how old she is. Size-wise, she
  looks maybe a month or so, 
  but if it IS possible her growth was stunted
 The
  vet techs told me that 
  you can't really tell if they're positive or
  negative until around 4 months, 
  but I don't want to keep her cooped up in my
  roommate's room for the next few 
  months.
  
  -Megan
  
  
  
  
 
 
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RE: update on sick kittens, questions about URIs, etc

2007-09-07 Thread Melissa Lind
Caroline,

 

Wonderful news about your household! You sure have your plate full right now
with these little babies. I have no idea if there is a test for feline
herpes, but my old vet suspected that Bandit has it. He gets a runny eye and
the sneezes about twice a year. It runs its course and goes away. Angel
never got it from him in the past 5 years.

 

One of our foster cats had an eye problem in April. The vet suspected herpes
again. During that time, our youngest, Smokey, also came down with it but in
a milder form. It seems as though she caught it from the foster cat since
she had no symptoms before.

 

I’ve asked the vets’ office for treatments, and they’ve always told me to
let it run its course. That was the old vets’ office. Now that I’m at a new
place that is much more cat-friendly, I’m sure they’ll give me something for
the next outbreak.

 

But, all-in-all, I only know what my vet has said in the past: Bandit
probably has herpes, but it should only affect him a couple times a year
(which it does). He doesn’t seem to come down with it in times of high
stress or anything like that. Seems like it happens more in the winter
months. He’s never passed it on, but I think that another cat has.

 

I’d be interested to know what other people give their kitties since my old
vet never suggested anything (in fact, suggested I don’t do anything).

 

Good luck with the poop, Caroline—hope you have a lot of air fresheners! :-)

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 11:56 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: update on sick kittens, questions about URIs, etc

 

Well, I still have 4 kittens in crates at my (tiny) house, and then my one
year old Foster cat Izzee.  One of the kittens, a grey and white male, was
supposed to leave last night to go on display at the store, but d*mned if
he didn't come down the sneezing, running nose, water eyes!  Urgh.  I wish I
could have isolated him when he first came to my, but by then, he'd already
been mingled with the other kittens already suffering URIs and already
completely exposed.  Plus he'd been at this volunteer's house running loose
with all the other kittens and adult cats with chronic URIs so there was
probably nothing I could dostill, I feel bad.  So now I have 4 kittens
all on Amoxy and getting a triple antibiotic in their eyes (which I am
almost out of so I ordered some tubes of artificial tear rinse and
Terramycin online).  

 

My little Yoda (the first on I got last Sat.) is so much better, but
yesterday he seemed to have a set back.  He's really snotty.  And it gets
worse when I let him out to play with Izzee because he gets out of breath,
so I limit his time.  

 

Everyone is eating like complete pigs; drinking water and are all pooing and
peeing a TON- I can barely keep up!  I like to take the poo out immediately
because the little rascals lay in it if I don't...but it's hard to keep up!


 

Ears: currently I am using a mixture of organic vegetable oil and organic
distilled white vinegar (per Tad's general suggestion).  I didn't have
measurements so I mixed it into an empty pill bottle and I did 2/3 vegetable
oil and less than a 1/3 vinegar (rough estimate).  It seems to work good at
loosening the wax and getting it to come up to the outer ear, where I can
work on getting it out later.  Only thing is their poor little fur around
their head/ears gets greasy!  I do wipe them with wet wipes afterwards- I am
also still working on getting rid of the smell they had on them from that
volunteer's house.  I did find the ear solution my vet had me use on
Monkee's excessively waxy (way down in the canal) ears-- Malacetic Otic-
online, so I ordered a bottle.  But I will stick to the oil/vinegar
concoction for now while their ears are so bad.

 

I found out more about them: apparently they are all orphans from our
Metro Animal Control that were going to be euthanized, but Metro called the
volunteer for this group and she went and got them; took them to her house
and mingled them with her already out of control, arguably sickly adult
population.  So, they just have so many strikes against them: losing their
mothers too young (when they should still be nursing and getting those
antibodies); and they also went to Metro-- which is bad for any cat, much
less a kitten.  That, in and of itself, could have killed them just because
of the disease exposure.

 

Now for the questions: how long can they suffer from these URIs?  Is there
at point at which, even tho they are eating, etc., but they are still
sneezing and snotty, that they need to see a vet?  Is it possible some need
a different antibiotic?  How will I know when it's time to see the Vet?  As
of tomorrow night, Yoda will have been on Amoxy for 7 days...

 

How can you tell which virus is causing the URI symptoms?  I read that
feline herpes can cause it and I am thinking they may have this?  What 

RE: Update on Felv+ B/W Female kitty...good news!

2007-09-07 Thread Melissa Lind
Caroline,

 

I loved this story! How wonderful! If only we were all rich and could give
our kitties their own rooms! That is so amazing! I’d love to have hammocks
and toy boxes for my furkids. I think I’ll do something special for them
this weekend. We aren’t rich, but I’m sure we could come up with something
fun. Angel was on top of the cupboards this morning hiding out from the
“scary” (so-she thinks) new kitty which weighs 1/16 of her! That reminded me
that I want to get some cat-walks made for them to prowl around on in the
house. 

 

So happy for Baby though! Glad you posted that story. Try not to
second-guess yourself about Monkee. I know it’s hard, but you did the best
you could with what you knew, with what you had, and you did the best by
Monkee who had a beautiful and happy home. 

 

I forgot to ask, how did your memorial / funeral service go for him? I can’t
remember if you posted about what you ended up doing. Sorry if you did and I
missed it!

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Update on Felv+ B/W Female kitty...good news!

 

Great news!  A while ago, when Monkee was still alive, I had posted about a
B/W, long-haired, docile, sweet, female FelV+ cat (maybe a year old?) who my
contact at the no-kill adoption agency had picked up from a colony downtown
and had gotten fixed.  She planned to re-release her, but she tested her for
FeLV+ and FIV (which she never does), and she's Felv+.  So she’s had this
dilemma about what to do and the cat’s been living in her bathroom since I
think at least the end of June because she couldn't bring herself to
re-release. 

 

Anyway, she got adopted last night  I couldn't’t believe
it!!!  She is now living in HUGE house in a really expensive part of
town—basically, she’s a rich kitty now!  There’s a lady who currently has a
male 8 yo Felv+ cat.  Her son, who’s in first grade, told her he wanted a
kitty.  She told him that they couldn't’t get a kitty because they have a
Felv+ cat.  Somehow, she must have contacted the adoption agency and
actually asked for a Felv+ (which usually never happens).   My contact took
her the cat yesterday, so she got to see her huge house.  The lady showed
her around and then said: “Now, let me show you Baby’s room!”  (the cat has
been nicknamed Baby by my friend keeping her in the b-room).  My friend was
like, “What?!  Her room?!”   Yep.  She has her OWN bedroom!  Of course, Baby
will have the run of the house too, since this lady has only Felv+ cats, but
she also has her own separate bedroom.  Apparently, it was all set up with
her litter box and play toys and kitty-hammock.  I was just so happy to hear
that Baby doesn't’t have to go back outside and live out her life as a
Downtown Louisville Colony cat…, I almost cried.  Thank god my contact held
onto her and didn't’t break down and re-release.  

 

In further good news, I suspected this lady may have wanted another Felv+
cat because she hadn’t lost one yet (I know, I was being negative and I
shouldn't’t be like that).  But apparently, she had one other than the 8 yo
male that she recently lost- so she has been thru it and knows what she’s
getting into I guess.  Also, I can’t believe she has a Felv+ cat that is 8!
Of course, I am jealous….I would have given anything to have had The Monkee
for 8 years.  My friend said the lady has her 8 yo on Interferon and she
asked me if I had treated Monkee with that (no- only during chemo).  That
led to a discussion where I yet again lamented whether I did everything I
could to prevent the FelV taking over while Monkee was still healthy, i.e.,
did we go to the right vet?  Was his Vet proactive enough (I really can't
decide about this one)?  Were people proactively treating healthy Felv+ cats
like they are now (with supplements and Interferon) 4 ½ years ago when I
first found him (questioning whether the resources were available- I'd
rather not know the answer to this one).  Alas, answers to these questions
don't really matter now and I know Monkee had a great life…just another
subtle instance that makes me doubt myself….but this isn’t about me or
Monkee, it’s about the fact that the B/W female got adopted and is going to
be a rich-kitty and well-taken care of!  I’m so happy!

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RE: Terri's himmy, Sebastian

2007-09-06 Thread Melissa Lind
Poor Sebastian. My prayers are with him and his family.

Melissa

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Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 12:32 PM
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Subject: Terri's himmy, Sebastian

did not make it.:(  Poor guy.  My vet said he just laid there and
groaned and he could not stand to watch him suffer anymore.  He just
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RE: Ear Cleaner for Kittens

2007-09-05 Thread Melissa Lind
Wow! That's horrible that a so-called rescuer is so negligent. Yuck. She
gives cat-people a bad name. It's people like that who make it difficult for
the rest of us.

 

Anyway, I don't have advice for you, but I do have congrats! A new kitty!
It's wonderful to have something to take care of even though nothing can
ever replace Monkee. Good work-I'm glad you've got guts. I'm afraid I would
have backed down from the volunteer-lady and ended up scooping poop all day!
:-) No wonder you're a lawyer! I hope little Yoda keeps improving!

 

Melissa

 

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Ear Cleaner for Kittens

 

Ugh.  Trying to keep this short, here's what I have been doing since Sat.:
volunteering at cat adoption day for one of the local no-kill adoption
agencies- which involved me forcing myself upon the reluctant,
control-freak, head volunteer for the group who I suspect is not only
majorly overwhelmed, but has issues that are affecting the health of this
group's cats.  My volunteering turned into mission cut kitty nails and
treat eyes with Terramycin- which hadn't been done in like, ever.  And this
lady- the head vol- actually tried to tell me and my mom that they didn't
really need help, other than to have someone clean the cat condos?!  Wha?
They need so much help it's ridiculous.  The day ended with me taking home a
teeny kitten (of course) who clearly had a bad URI (slitty eyes- with the
3rd eyelid exposed, snotty nose, chest and throat rattling) and he was on
display???!!  Up for adoption!  Hello?!  He was freaking little kids out b/c
he was clearly ill?!  Yeah, and they don't need help?  Ha!  Good thing I
don't take no for an answer and I just ignored her and got right to work.
And since I have such valuable and good informal vet tech skills (due to
having a father who was a vet who used me as tax deductible slave labor from
the moment I could put one foot in front of the other...thanks dad...), it's
almost impossible to try to tell someone like me that you don't need me.  So
I feared for this kitten's life and he needed to be taken off display and
NOT taken back to this head volunteer's house where cats run amok and cat
poo is every where (so I have heard) and which I also suspect might
possibly be ground zero for a variety of viruses known to cause URIs; thus
I fear that any kitten that spends any time in that house, comes out with a
URI and possibly could become a chronic shedder of a URI-causing virus.
U!  Okay, altho there is more, I am done ranting...for now.

 

Needless to say, the kitten I took home Sat.- whom I feared might pass on me
anytime this past weekend (which I totally could not have survived had that
happened AGAIN),is now like Super-Kitten already.  He's getting fat
too- I love it, he looks like a teeny snake that swallowed a rabbit b/c his
belly keeps growing out sideways!  He's my love-bug!  I RE-named him Yoda
b/c he looks like Yoda (big ears, and his eyes are huge- now that they are
all cleared up!).  I might keep him...my foster cat Izzee loves him- thinks
it's her moving toy I brought home for her.  He spends most of his time in
his crate b/c I don't want Izzee getting a URI, but I have let them interact
while I supervise.  It's hilarious.

 

So, my adoption agency contact ended up retrieving (eh, hem...rescuing-
from The Rescuer!) three more kittens that this head volunteer had... for
me to rehab.  One is pretty much fine already (which was shocking b/c her
cats are usually in bad, bad shape-- I know, the irony).  He had just a
little dirty coat, dirty ears...so I am working on getting him show-ready
for his big debut on the adoption floor tonight!  

 

But the other 2 clearly have URIs (which I am treating) and all three had
horrific ears.  One were the worst I had ever seen on a so-called indoor
kitten.  They have all gotten/will get Advantage- which will take care of
the obvious mites, but I need a good, yet gentle, over-the-counter ear
cleaner I can use on them to get the brown/black funk/wax out.  I used up
the remainder of Monkee's vet-provided solution that I think was comparable
to the human Domeboro(?) solution.  I am sure I can't get more of that
without taking them to a vet.

Any suggestions?

-Caroline 




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OT: new kitty=penelope

2007-09-05 Thread Melissa Lind
Well, since the list is quiet today, I'll share my new kitty update. I've
decided to name her Penelope. I was watching CSI Miami last night-reruns-and
as I was trying to coax her out from behind the piano, I was also trying to
figure out her name. I heard Penelope on the TV several times. I think it
was the name of a ship or something on the show. It seemed to fit this
little timid girl, so it's stuck so far. We'll see what hubby thinks of the
name. 

 

I was thinking about asking him to name the baby so he'd be more attached
and connected with her. However, he may not notice her since she's been
hiding out quite a bit. She's so little, he might not see her! He'll be home
tonight for sure, but since he can't speak cat, I don't think anyone is
going to tell him about the new addition. We'll see how long it takes to
notice.

 

Penelope seems to be fairing well with the other cats. I let her hang out
with them without boundaries, dividers, etc. There's a lot of hissing, but
mostly it's just the other cats hissing at each other. Everyone is on edge
since the new baby has thrown a wrench into the pecking order. None is mean
to her, so I think we'll all be getting along great in a few days-as long as
my husband doesn't kick us all out! Just kidding, he's actually very
kind-hearted despite how I might depict him on here!

 

I'll try to post pictures tomorrow.

 

Melissa Lind

Contract Administrator 

DEG Enterprises, Inc.

200 Norfolk Av.

Norfolk, NE  68701

Phone: 402-379-1820

Fax: 402-379-3604

 



OT: RE: new kitty, fingers crossed

2007-09-04 Thread Melissa Lind
Well, here's the update: first of all, for those of you who might remember,
I mentioned being in the family way a while back, so you might be concerned
about my alcohol intake. I guess I didn't mention that we lost the baby :-(.
Not that I want to burden you guys with personal stuff, but for those who
were scratching their heads and wondering what kind of person I was..

 

Anyway, I was so excited to have a couple come over to the house this
weekend to look at our foster kitties. After meeting the two kitties at our
house, it seemed that they wanted to take baby kitty (as yet unnamed) from
the vets' office sight unseen. That sounded great! Alas, baby kitty is still
at the vets'. I'll pick her up today after work. My husband still doesn't
know about this kitty. I think I'll just bring her home and when he returns
from out of town tomorrow, I'll just wait until he notices the baby running
around and blame it on a spay/neuter gone bad (our cats are multiplying!).
The people who were interested in her might take her at Thanksgiving time
(when they return). In the meantime, it's my plan to take lots of pictures
of her and send them to tempt them. They live in Michigan (I live in
Nebraska), so travel would not be difficult to arrange.

 

As for the name, it still hasn't come to me. The drink was just a Vox vodka
with diet 7-up and a splash of sweet/sour mix. Vox, fox, foxy? Maybe. I know
it will come to me. 

 

Also, I'm kind of a sentimental person (sometimes), and I can't help but
thinking that fate sent baby to us since we just lost our own (3rd loss for
us). So, although I want to keep this post to cat issues, I can't help but
think that it was more than coincidence that brought us together. 

 

I'll try to post some pictures of baby tomorrow.

 

Melissa

 

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 8:16 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: new kitty, fingers crossed

 

maybe name the cat Vodka or the name of a vodka mixture--martini 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis

- Original Message - 

From: Susan Dubose mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 7:52 PM

Subject: Re: new kitty, fingers crossed

 

Melissa,

 

I would comment on having too much Vodka but I would probably leave the PG
rating. :)

 

Have a good weekend!

 

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent

 

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Melissa Lind mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 3:30 PM

Subject: RE: new kitty, fingers crossed

 

Very funny! :-) I hope my husband sees it as funny as well! We always have a
chuckle over the growing number of kitties but not after a lot of grief in
the meantime! I know he's going to be frustrated-as am I since our house is
too small for more cats, but a kitten is so tiny, it surely won't take up
much space!

 

I hate keeping things from him, but this little girl might be a secret this
weekend-unless I have too many vodkas again! Then who knows what will
happen!

 

Melissa

 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 1:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: new kitty, fingers crossed

 

Yes, unfortunately kittens @ 12 weeks count as cats.

 

My boyfriend has the rule  Every set of pointy ears is this house is
considered a cat, regardless if it lives under the bed..

 

Yes,folks, I even asked  But what if we never SEE the cat, it lives under
the bed, couch, etc

 

No luck.

 

However, when he used to work out of town a lot, I would ALWYS bring home a
cat or 2.

SometimesI wouldn'tget to talk to him for 2 weeks or so, since he would be
out in the field (on a dig) in Mexico or in the west Texas dessert, no
cell phone reception.

 

I always hoped that he wouldn't recognize the new cat(s).

 

W/kittens I always tried to foster litters that all lookedalike, so that
he MIGHT not be able to count them.

 

THAT got blown outta the water when he was sitting on the couch one night
and 3 little orage tabbies ran over him, one right

RE: Goodbye, Olive...

2007-09-04 Thread Melissa Lind
Megan,

 

I'm so sad to hear about Olive, but she's at peace and you can be too.
Sometimes the hardest part is not knowing. It's easier to know what's going
to happen-good or bad. Then we can deal with it-it's the not knowing part
that's so hard. Now that this hardest part is over, you can heal and come to
terms with the situation. 

 

I loved the pictures of Olive-thanks for sharing. She was very beautiful!

 

I no longer have an FeLV kitty, but I still read and post on this site
mainly because I want to open a sanctuary someday, and I want to know as
much as I can about FeLV and how to treat it. Of course I can't afford to
open a sanctuary now, but someday.

 

So, you could stay on this list if you want. Sometimes it's just nice to
know you have friends out there. Unfortunately, my posts tend to be
off-topic since I'm not treating an FeLV kitty, but I'm still able to learn
quite a bit from these guys.

 

Best of luck in school! I certainly miss taking and teaching classes. I
might need to sign up for a class for fun to take care of my
school-addiction! The workplace is so overrated.

 

Melissa

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan Heikkinen
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 10:56 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: Goodbye, Olive...

 

Unfortunately, I had to resort to PTS. It was probably the toughest decision


of my life--or at least, the second toughest, the first being to decide to
let 

Olive go in the first place. I spent most of the day yesterday and today
with 

her, and it was miserable watching her fade away. My roommate and I sat by
her 

for hours today. I kept thinking she was about to go, that she'd take one
last 

looking like she'd already passed. At one point she looked like she was
really 

gone, aside from the very slight rising of her chest, and then she rolled
over 

and stretched out, almost as if she were alright... it was heartbreaking.

 

This morning I had thought about trying to save her, but in my heart I feel 

that it would have done more harm than good. Perhaps there was a slight
chance 

I truly could have saved her and reversed the anemia--but I have a feeling
it 

wouldn't have worked out that way, and I didn't want to put Olive through
more 

suffering. She was too young to succumb to this, but if I had tried to keep 

her alive, I feel that it would've been out of my own selfish reasons. I
will 

miss her so much, but I am glad that she went out easy. I am sorry that I 

could not give her a longer life, but at least the one she had was a great 

one. She was one of the best kitties ever.

 

The vet called me this afternoon asking for an update, and I told him of my 

decision, but that I still didn't know which way to go about it. He told me 

he'd be at the clinic for about 20 more minutes, so I told him I might call 

back. After discussing it with my roommate and boyfriend, I called back. It 

was terrible. But at least Olive got to enjoy a last meal of tuna before 

parting this world. She'd not eaten in a while, and I was happy to see her 

gobble up quite a bit of it.

 

Here are some photos of Olive, if you're interested:

http://web.utk.edu/~mheikkin/olive.JPG

http://web.utk.edu/~mheikkin/olive2.JPG

http://web.utk.edu/~mheikkin/babyolive.JPG

http://web.utk.edu/~mheikkin/kittens.JPG (Juniper on left, Kudzu on right)

 

She was not very photogenic, so I don't have many good photos of her...

 

Thank you guys for all of your help. I did not mean to come off as
ungrateful 

in one of my previous emails. I was in so much pain, and so confused. I'm 

feeling better now, because I know I did the right thing, as awful as it
was.

 

I wish you and all your kitties good luck. I may eventually leave this list,


as I should hopefully no longer have use of it for some time being... But
I'll 

stay on for a bit. Thank you, everyone, so much.

 

-Megan

 

 

 



RE: Way OT: Far out

2007-09-04 Thread Melissa Lind
This is interesting and gross! It reminds me of something else I heard on
NPR this weekend: It was an old African saying that goes something like
this: When spider webs get together, they can trap a lion (or tiger, or
some other large cat). It was a story about people overcoming obstacles,
coming together, etc. I can't remember exactly.  I think this web is proof
of the adage! 

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Way OT: Far out

 

Even Spiders Know Everythings Bigger in Texas
 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14094404sc=emaf
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=14094404sc=emaf 

 

What's really interesting is that these particuliarly spiders are not
social by nature...

 

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent

 

 

 

 



new kitty, fingers crossed

2007-08-31 Thread Melissa Lind
Oh dear me! I could write a book entitled 5 vodkas, an ex-marine, and a
kitty. I went to have a birthday drink with my career Marine buddy who was
78 yesterday. That drink turned into 5. Then I went to check on the stray
that I'm looking after who is incidentally named Sarge after this buddy of
mine-both are blind in the right eye. As I'm calling for Sarge, out comes a
little gray tiger. She was so hungry but also scared. I scooped her up,
probably not very gracefully after the vodkas-I've noticed quite a few nice
scratches this morning from last night. 

 

She stayed in my home office room last night and left two nicely sized poops
near the litter box on the carpet :-). She's not a friendly kitty that likes
to cuddle-lots of hissing. Poor thing has had a rough life so far. Her ribs
are practically poking through. 

 

I took her to the vet this morning, but I haven't figured out what her name
is yet. I'm awaiting the FeLV test. So keep your fingers crossed-for the
test and for my marriage! Haven't told my husband yet! I might board the
kitty over the weekend in hopes that I find homes for my two foster cats.
That would assuage my husband. I need to make room (we have 3 of our own
permanent cats) before I take in more. We have a 5-cat rule. But does a
kitten (about 12 weeks old) count as a full cat? :-)

 

Hoping for the best.

 

Melissa Lind

 



RE: Update on Olive: Dilemma...

2007-08-31 Thread Melissa Lind
Megan,

I feel for you right now, and I'm sending positive thoughts, prayers, vibes,
your way. I hope that you are able to find the right solution for you and
Olive. I'm not really sure what to advise you. As for the bill, I'm not sure
what your financial situation is, but you could check out the IMOM website
where you can apply for funding in you qualify. Here's the site:
www.imom.org

Keep us posted, breathe, and know that whatever happens, you've been such a
wonderful influence in Olive's life. Bless you for all that you do. This
can't be an easy time right now.

Melissa

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan Heikkinen
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 9:26 AM
To: felvtalk
Subject: Update on Olive: Dilemma...

Dilemma, dilemma...

Last night, I was pretty much resigned to letting Olive pass. Not happily 
resigned, now, for I cried for hours and then couldn't sleep. I had actually

typed up a huge email about my reasoning a few minutes ago, but I just got
off 
the phone with my vet, and now I'm once again lost as to what to do.

First off, I want to mention that my vet does actually seem to want to help,

he just doesn't think much will come of it and doesn't want to give me false

hope. Apparently, he wrote down my number wrong last night, which is why I 
never got a return call.

I asked about the reticulocyte count. She had some last week, but it was so 
low that they considered it nonregenerative anemia. Apparently, she had also

received two shots of steroids along with the transfusion. This worries me, 
because the transfusion started wearing off only after 5 days, when it
usually 
lasts around 10 days. The shots seemed to help within the first couple of 
days, but then wore off. I also asked if haemobartonella was still a 
possibility, and he thought it might be. He is going to find out the price
of 
getting a combo of doxy with something else that can be given in a form
other 
than pills. He said he'd be willing to try epogen, but warned me that it 
usually only works a couple times because an immunity develops.

I called the vet school about the price, but had to leave a message. I asked

my vet about it, and he reassured me that their given price was indeed 
$2000-3000. He isn't sure what it entails, though I'm assuming it's
everything 
under the sun, and that kind of scares me. I don't want to subject Olive to
a 
million tests...

So, I'm facing this huge problem now. While I would of course love to save 
Olive, I don't know if it's really going to do any good. And yeah, trying to

do something may be better than doing nothing at all. But I'm not sure. I 
don't want to put her through this stage of slowly dying again, for the
third 
time. I don't know if she'll even be helped unless she can get another blood

transfusion, and if I do that at my vet, I'll have to use Juniper as a
donor. 
That scares me. I don't really have time to look elsewhere, though.

I wish someone could just give me the answer, but I know that ultimately it
is 
up to me. I wish I was stronger, and not the most indecisive fool on the 
planet. One of my biggest concerns is that if I do manage to keep Olive
alive, 
my other two babies will continue to be susceptible to this godforsaken
virus.

= Original Message From Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
I do not all animals or people suffer when they are dying and I can tell
you for a fact unless any of my furkids are in a great deal of pain and
I clearly get from them they want help passing I will let all of them
pass on their own, I personally believe most prefer it.  It may not be
pretty for me but I don't think they suffer as we think they do, once
the process gets to a certain point the body goes into shock and I don't
think you feel much of anything.  Of course I have never died, that is
just my sense of the process and I could be as right as anyone who
insists helping an animal pass is the best and kindest thing you can do
for them, I don't think that is always the case.  I personally would
never want to be euthanized if that was an option humans had.

 You will regret seeing it and much worse, allowing it to get that far for

her sake.  You will see her suffer.

--

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OT: RE: new kitty, fingers crossed

2007-08-31 Thread Melissa Lind
Well, the new little girl tested negative! Yea! But, now my post is off
topic! I've decided to board the poor baby over the weekend. She has an
under-bite and ear mites; otherwise, except for her being very underweight,
she's okay. I haven't figured out her name yet. My new vet is awesome and
will check on the new baby twice a day this weekend. She'll even let me know
when she'll be there in case I want to visit. I hate leaving the little one
there, but I'm hoping that I'll think of something this weekend to do with
our two fosters. 

 

I have a friend who's traveling to CA soon. I'm not sure where to in CA. I
think San Diego. Any of you from San Diego and have room in your hearts and
homes for a non-FeLV cat or two? Here's their pics if anyone is interested
(Please forward if you have any possible homes!):

 

Nonie (1.5 years):
http://picasaweb.google.com/mzurovsk/Nonie?authkey=58Zh5l6swyU

 

Ashley (1 year):
http://picasaweb.google.com/mzurovsk/Ashley?authkey=imb76PXJObI

 

Ashley is much healthier now-she's not as skinny and she doesn't look so
scrawny as in the picture. She's becoming quite the boss of the house and is
getting more snuggly every day! She a great masseuse! 

Nonie had a weepy eye at the time of the pictures, so she's not as pretty
looking as usual. But her eye is fine now. She loves to hop in the shower
with us! Her bobtail is so so so cute!

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melissa Lind
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 8:53 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: new kitty, fingers crossed

 

Oh dear me! I could write a book entitled 5 vodkas, an ex-marine, and a
kitty. I went to have a birthday drink with my career Marine buddy who was
78 yesterday. That drink turned into 5. Then I went to check on the stray
that I'm looking after who is incidentally named Sarge after this buddy of
mine-both are blind in the right eye. As I'm calling for Sarge, out comes a
little gray tiger. She was so hungry but also scared. I scooped her up,
probably not very gracefully after the vodkas-I've noticed quite a few nice
scratches this morning from last night. 

 

She stayed in my home office room last night and left two nicely sized poops
near the litter box on the carpet :-). She's not a friendly kitty that likes
to cuddle-lots of hissing. Poor thing has had a rough life so far. Her ribs
are practically poking through. 

 

I took her to the vet this morning, but I haven't figured out what her name
is yet. I'm awaiting the FeLV test. So keep your fingers crossed-for the
test and for my marriage! Haven't told my husband yet! I might board the
kitty over the weekend in hopes that I find homes for my two foster cats.
That would assuage my husband. I need to make room (we have 3 of our own
permanent cats) before I take in more. We have a 5-cat rule. But does a
kitten (about 12 weeks old) count as a full cat? :-)

 

Hoping for the best.

 

Melissa Lind

 



RE: new kitty, fingers crossed

2007-08-31 Thread Melissa Lind
Very funny! :-) I hope my husband sees it as funny as well! We always have a
chuckle over the growing number of kitties but not after a lot of grief in
the meantime! I know he's going to be frustrated-as am I since our house is
too small for more cats, but a kitten is so tiny, it surely won't take up
much space!

 

I hate keeping things from him, but this little girl might be a secret this
weekend-unless I have too many vodkas again! Then who knows what will
happen!

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 1:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: new kitty, fingers crossed

 

Yes, unfortunately kittens @ 12 weeks count as cats.

 

My boyfriend has the rule  Every set of pointy ears is this house is
considered a cat, regardless if it lives under the bed..

 

Yes,folks, I even asked  But what if we never SEE the cat, it lives under
the bed, couch, etc

 

No luck.

 

However, when he used to work out of town a lot, I would ALWYS bring home a
cat or 2.

SometimesI wouldn'tget to talk to him for 2 weeks or so, since he would be
out in the field (on a dig) in Mexico or in the west Texas dessert, no
cell phone reception.

 

I always hoped that he wouldn't recognize the new cat(s).

 

W/kittens I always tried to foster litters that all lookedalike, so that
he MIGHT not be able to count them.

 

THAT got blown outta the water when he was sitting on the couch one night
and 3 little orage tabbies ran over him, one right after the other, chasing
each others' tails.

 

It was like that scene outta the Simpson's episode where the dog has
puppies..Do..!

 

Good luck w/your new kitty, Melissa, we all feel your pain..

 

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent

 

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Melissa Lind mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 8:52 AM

Subject: new kitty, fingers crossed

 

Oh dear me! I could write a book entitled 5 vodkas, an ex-marine, and a
kitty. I went to have a birthday drink with my career Marine buddy who was
78 yesterday. That drink turned into 5. Then I went to check on the stray
that I'm looking after who is incidentally named Sarge after this buddy of
mine-both are blind in the right eye. As I'm calling for Sarge, out comes a
little gray tiger. She was so hungry but also scared. I scooped her up,
probably not very gracefully after the vodkas-I've noticed quite a few nice
scratches this morning from last night. 

 

She stayed in my home office room last night and left two nicely sized poops
near the litter box on the carpet :-). She's not a friendly kitty that likes
to cuddle-lots of hissing. Poor thing has had a rough life so far. Her ribs
are practically poking through. 

 

I took her to the vet this morning, but I haven't figured out what her name
is yet. I'm awaiting the FeLV test. So keep your fingers crossed-for the
test and for my marriage! Haven't told my husband yet! I might board the
kitty over the weekend in hopes that I find homes for my two foster cats.
That would assuage my husband. I need to make room (we have 3 of our own
permanent cats) before I take in more. We have a 5-cat rule. But does a
kitten (about 12 weeks old) count as a full cat? :-)

 

Hoping for the best.

 

Melissa Lind

 



RE: Update on Olive: Dilemma...

2007-08-31 Thread Melissa Lind
Megan, I'm sorry that I can't help you! I understand your pain and
frustration. It's a horrible place to be in when you don't know which way to
go. Yes, ignorance is bliss, but you will benefit from this down the road
even though it seems more appealing to be in the dark. You'll be a stronger,
better, more compassionate and aware person of your world and your
surroundings. I hate going through these situations. I think, This can't be
happening. I just want it all to go away. But, it won't, and although this
list has caused you more stress, take peace in knowing that whatever you
decide, you based your choices on education--and that is a wonderful thing. 

 

Education and learning is power. Can you tell I've been a teacher? If you're
thoughts and ideas and ways of thinking are never challenged, then you'll
never form your own beliefs for your own reasons. If you make this decision
on your own, with your own knowledge that you've gained, you form your own
beliefs in the process and reaffirm your morals and life views. This is what
makes you who you are and builds your character (to use a cliché).  

 

I know none of this helps you right now. I’m sorry. I wish I could take your
pain away. Hugs and prayers to you and Olive.

 

Melissa

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan Heikkinen
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 1:08 PM
To: felvtalk; wendy
Subject: RE: Update on Olive: Dilemma...

 

I am endlessly conflicted. I think I'll have resigned myself to something, 

then I'll change my mind, then I decide to do something else, and then I get


on here and feel horrible for not doing anything, so I feel like I really
need 

to now. I have to admit, the list has been helpful, but it's also been
causing 

me a lot of stress. If I had never known about this group, then I could've 

just accepted the vet's word and been better able to cope with Olive's
death. 

Now I feel like I'm little better than a murderer. It's no fault of you all.
I 

just sort of wish I hadn't joined the list sometimes... It's making it so
much 

harder to not do anything.

 

I don't know why you brought up the doxy shot. That was never offered to me
as 

an option... The problem with putting her on any meds is that she is going
to 

have to have another transfusion, and it will probably have to be today. I 

don't know if my vet called around for blood--I think he might've called a
few 

places--but a lot of the vets around here don't seem to have donors. I
called 

about five other ones, and only one actually had a donor cat, and they
didn't 

even know its type. The vet school has blood, but they won't send it to
other 

vets. And I cannot afford going there.

 

It's getting to the point where I'm going to be too late to help Olive. I
want 

to help her, I really really do, but this is something that I obviously
can't 

handle. I don't have tons of money, and I don't have tons of time because of


classes. I'm also inexperienced in matters like this. Nobody is helping me, 

really, and it's making me have a nervous breakdown.

 

= Original Message From wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] =

Hey Megan,

 

Make sure you do research on the doxy shot.  The protocol for hemobaronella
is 

3 weeks of consecutive treatment with pills (not sure of the dosage).  How 

long will a doxy shot last?  I would pill her instead, especially if your
vet 

doesn't know much about hemobart.  I've never heard of just doing a doxy
shot 

and nothing else.  If he is doing the doxy shot in conjuntion with pills,
and 

the treatment will last AT LEAST three weeks, that might be ok.

 

Immunity doesn't always develop with Epogen.  If it's hemobart, and the doxy


works which it should, is Epogen necessary?  Anyone have any ideas on this?
I 

would do research on this as well.  The stats for immunity to Epogen I think


are 1 in 3 cats, but not sure on this.  Still, if Olive needs it and is
going 

to die without RBC's, I think a 33% chance of reaction is not a bad
statistic.

 

Why is it up to you to find a blood donor for your kitty?  We don't go
looking 

for a donor when we need blood.  Can't your vet call around and see if he
can 

find some blood at another vet's?  Or can you call around and see if any
vet's 

have a donor cat that they keep around?  Many do.

 

I can't say I'm 100% positive on this, but the chance that your other two
are 

still at risk is small because one, they all came from the same litter, and 

I'm betting Olive got it from momma, and two, even if not, chances are
they've 

already been exposed and I'm pretty sure they can't be exposed twice to the 

same strain.  Not enough is known on strains yet.

 

:)

Wendy

 

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change 

the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade
~~~

 

 

   


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RE: Ripley and Sherman

2007-08-31 Thread Melissa Lind
Angela,

 

I'm not Susan, but I agree that you should help the kitties stay stress-free
(and yourself!). I know that a few of mine would be terrified and severely
stressed out with that many people in the house. 

 

I've tried Feliway-they make a plug in. That may work for you. I've had no
measurable results but others have. You can purchase these at places like
Petco.

 

Rescue Remedy-a spray or a drop-is sold in the human headache section of
places like Walgreen's. This has also worked for others on the list, but
alas, not for me.

 

Last, you could get a prescription for fluoxetine which my Bandit takes
(he's now off of it though) for anxiety. It is a miracle drug in my opinion.
When I had my FeLV foster cat staying in the home office by himself, he was
very sad. I gave him Bandit's fluoxetine (Prozac), and the kitty was no
longer anxious although he was not dopey or drugged appearing in any way.

 

I'd also make sure that access to hiding places was available, and I'd move
their food to a quiet place where they can eat in peace, if possible.

 

Good luck!

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Angela Lewis
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 4:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Ripley and Sherman

 

Susan,

 

You helped me thru a hard time with Midnight aka Boy about a week and a
half ago when he was diagnosed with Feline Leukemia and PTS. I have a
question Boy's Leukemia showed it's ugly face because of our move to the
new house (stress on him). Although I have had Sherman and Ripley tested for
this nasty disease, (thanks to God they were negative!), I am concerned
that if they get stressed out, this will become an issue again. I am scared
to pieces to let them feel any anxiety or stress. 

 

 My point is that we have family that will be staying with us next week,
about 16 people. To say the least, this will be a huge change for the
kitties since they are use to just two of us being in the house. Is there
anything I can give the cats to calm them durring this time? (Family will be
here for four days) I'm paranoid that the slightest stress will make them
ill (Feline Leukemia will show it's ugly face again). I know they were
tested, negative, but so was Boy when he was a kitten! We had no idea that
he even had Leukemia until we moved.  Please advise if you have any
suggestions. 

 

 Thanks!

Ang

 

  

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RE: My cat was tested positive yesterday, and I don't know what to do.

2007-08-29 Thread Melissa Lind
Best of luck Megan! I hope you have success. You are truly a compassionate
person. Your kitties are blessed to have you caring for them.

Melissa

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan Heikkinen
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: My cat was tested positive yesterday, and I don't know what to do.

Hello everyone,

My name is Megan. I'm a college student with three sibling cats, one of
which 
was recently found to be FeLV-positive. We discovered this after Olive had a

severe anemic episode last week all of the sudden and almost died. Her 
brother's blood was able to restore her, but how long this will last, we
don't 
know. She has seemed happy and feeling well since the blood transfusion, but

there's a feeling in my gut that tells me it's only a matter of time before 
she gets sick again, and I don't know what to do about that. Like I said,
I'm 
a college student, and independent from my parents, which by default means
I'm 
poor.

My vet doesn't know much about treatment, but he is going to talk to the 
university's vet school. We are considering interferon, although to be
honest, 
I don't know if I'd be able to give Olive shots everyday. I'm in quite a 
dilemma, because I want to do what I can for Olive. She is the sweetest, 
friendliest cat I have ever met. All of my friends love her and some of them

are also pretty upset about her condition.

Part of the dilemma is what to do about interaction with her siblings. I
just 
had them tested (and vaccinated) today, and won't know the results until 
Thursday. I would assume that they are very likely to be infected as well,
yet 
part of me thinks that they aren't, and the vet thought this, too. I had 
thought that maybe my boyfriend's cat had transmitted it to Olive, because
he 
has some health problems, and therefore maybe only she was infected. But he 
tested negative today on the in-home test, so now I'm scared that Olive has 
had this since she was little, and therefore my other two probably have it
as 
well. Unless, of course, they've developed immunity to it.

So, there are my two problems: What to do with Olive, and what to do if my 
other two turn out negative. If they are all positive, then leaving them 
together isn't an issue; although then I'm also left with the horrible 
situation of having three FeLV-positive cats. If they turn out to be
negative, 
I don't know how to separate them. I don't want to risk their lives by
having 
them interact, yet I can't bear to give up Olive. I live in an apartment, so

keeping them separate in my home isn't a great solution.

If anyone has any suggestions, words of advice, etc., please let me know. I
am 
completely distraught over this. Last night I could not sleep, and I'm
already 
not caring about school, which just started.

Thank you for reading this. Sorry it's so long...
-Megan








RE: Please add Jingles to the CLS

2007-08-29 Thread Melissa Lind
Susan,

 

I'm so sorry to hear about Jingles. It's good that you were there for him. I
liked that you wrote about his past. I hope you can find comfort in your
good times with him. Prayers and thoughts your way.

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Loesch
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Please add Jingles to the CLS

 


My sweet little Jingles boy - who I wrote about last week asking about the
ulcer/tumor on his eye had to be euthanized Saturday night.  He was fine
Friday night and I'd planned to take him to the vet the first part of this
week.  He was eating and cuddling up with me then.   Sat. morning I didn't
bother him when he was curled up in a cat bed with Sherpa and Autumn - they
all looked so comfortable that I just left them.  Was gone most of the day
and when I went back iin and Jingles was still curled up in the bed i tried
to wake him up.  His eye looked like it had literally exploded - red/pink
and white tissue comiing out and the eye dripping.  The Emerg Clinic wasn't
an option for him because he wasn't strong enough to withstand anesthesia
and an enucleation.  I sedated him as fast as I could and he was euthanized.
I have never ever seen anything like that.

 

Jimgles was a totally sweet boy who loved to sleep with me.  He had gone
downhill over the last couple of months and I figured his life was coming to
an end, but I sure didn't expect this.  He was adopted from a kill shelter
by an elderly lady who didn't care that he was feleuk positive.  Then she
died and I've had him about 5 years.  Such a sweetheart.  


 

 



RE: Genevieve My precious baby is gone

2007-08-28 Thread Melissa Lind
Sherry,

 

My thoughts are with you as you grieve. I'll be thinking of beautiful
Genevieve today. She's at peace now. I hope your heart will find comfort
knowing that you were such a wonderful and loving gift to her.

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:02 AM
To: Felvtalk
Subject: Genevieve My precious baby is gone

 

Jen just called and it was worse then she thought,she was very anemic and
septic,the felv destroyed her white blood cells and she had nothing to fight
with.Jen gave her 12 hours of feeling better.I had a wonderful hour with her
this morning,at least I didn't have to see her in agony.I will never forget
that beautiful face and personality.I am so sick with heartache right now

  

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RE: Genevieve My precious baby is gone

2007-08-28 Thread Melissa Lind
So true! I think we need them as much as they need us. 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:56 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Genevieve My precious baby is gone

 

Thanks Melissa I think of her as a wonderful and loving gift to me!! :) 

Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Sherry,

 

My thoughts are with you as you grieve. I'll be thinking of beautiful
Genevieve today. She's at peace now. I hope your heart will find comfort
knowing that you were such a wonderful and loving gift to her.

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:02 AM
To: Felvtalk
Subject: Genevieve My precious baby is gone

 

Jen just called and it was worse then she thought,she was very anemic and
septic,the felv destroyed her white blood cells and she had nothing to fight
with.Jen gave her 12 hours of feeling better.I had a wonderful hour with her
this morning,at least I didn't have to see her in agony.I will never forget
that beautiful face and personality.I am so sick with heartache right now

  

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RE: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?

2007-08-24 Thread Melissa Lind
Beckie,

 

My heart goes out to you and poor Moe. How devastating. I don't have any
experience with this, but I will keep you and all those others going through
these troubles in my thoughts and prayers.

 

Best,

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beckie McRae
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:27 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty?

 

I think the Moeman is dying.

I'm just trying to keep him comfortable as possible now.  No more pokes and
prods, etc.  He's content I think.  I'm just wondering if you guys could
tell me the typical course of dying for a FELV cat?  Will he just get weaker
and weaker like he has been?

 



RE: I am so CONFUSSED!!

2007-08-23 Thread Melissa Lind
Jessica,

 

I'm not going to have much info for you on FeLV other than you've come to
the right place. These people here have tried many different options and
treatments. As for your cat being spastic at the vet, try giving him Rescue
Remedy (you can buy it in the headache section at places like Walgreen's).
Many people here have found that it is a great way to calm down the kitties
(and themselves) when they are going into stressful situations. I haven't
had the chance to try it in a stressful situation. When I tried it out on
excited cats (just overly playful cats), it didn't work, but every cat is
different. This might work for you. 

 

Also, a prescription of fluoxetine might work for him instead. This is an
anti-anxiety drug (Prozac) that one of mine takes occasionally, and it is
miraculous. I've also used prescription sedatives (such as Ace and a type of
Valium), but I don't like to use those if I don't have to. 

 

I hope these are some ideas to help your vet trips become less stressful for
you guys. Good luck!

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: I am so CONFUSSED!!

 

Even if he is not eating, if you can get a tablespoon of Nutrical in your
cat each day, you will stave off fatty liver disease.  Nutrical is a high
calorie food supplement that comes in a gel form you squeeze out of a tube--
very easy to mix into wet food.  You can get a tube of Nutrical from your
vet, or most Pet Supply Stores now carry it, just ask.  If he is eating baby
food, then you should have no problem.  Add it to the baby food and mix it
up.  

When my cat was not eating (although he did end up dying from FelV and
Cancer), my vet said she wasn't so concerned about his not eating as long as
he was getting a tablespoon of Nutrical everyday.

I hope this helps.

-Caroline   


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From: Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: I am so CONFUSSED!!
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:12:46 -0400

Hi Jessica
   I am sorry you had to find us this way but this is the right place to
come...
First you need to work on the realization that FeLV probably is terminal...
If he is in pain it may be a cancer
I would recommend getting him on human grade interferon which is very
inexpensive
if you can find a vet that has a big block of it in his freezer and can mix
up a small bottle
of it for you... It tastes like water and is easy to give and sometimes can
do miracles...
The very least it seems to make them feel better and start eating
I hope the best for you and your kitty and you still have years left
together...
Tad

Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote:



Sorry about the bad diagnosis, Jessica.  There are lots of good people on
this list who will help you out in greater detail, but here's a couple
things to help him out now.  First, look at the old posts on this list
starting on Tuesday.  We've had a couple of new people come on as frantic as
you are, and there's been a lot of good advice here the past couple days.
And second, just make sure he eats something, even if you have to force him.
They can get fatty liver disease if they don't eat enough -- that is usually
fixable but it's best not to have to worry about it in the first place.
Most cats really love Kentucky Fried Chicken, skin and bones removed, white
meat if possible, and make sure it's warm and smelly.  It's something
about those herbs and spices they use.  If he continues not to eat very
much, you might want to call your vet and ask him to prescribe some A/D food
-- most cats seem to really like it, it's packed with nutrients, can be fed
with a syringe if necessary, and is by prescription only.  Hope this helps
with your boy, and I'm sure more people will chime in shortly!

 

Diane R.


 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jessica Merchen
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 11:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: I am so CONFUSSED!!

I have a cat that is jst over one year old. About a week to a week and a
half ago I noticed him hurtin and not eating. I had to wait until today to
take him to the vet due to money issues. I just found out that he has feline
luekemia. And i am so hurt. I am not quite sure what to do or need to do. He
is not eating or drinking. My vet told me to feed him baby food which is
what I am doing. He eats very little. the vet also has given him a
prescription for clavamox for fever. Nebber got way too spastic to do any
more blood work or test today so I must take him back in a couple of weeks
when he is feeling better. But in the mean time,  I need some sort of advice
of how to help him and me to deal with this. I can not think about losing
him. If some one could give me a little advice on what to do I would be
grateful. Thanks, Jessica 


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RE: Caroline- Re: Rescue Cat's Reuniting

2007-08-23 Thread Melissa Lind
Great news Caroline! 

 

If you find a home for your foster kitty, let me know how you did if you do!
I've got two fosters that need homes, and I'm certain it will be very
difficult to find what I consider a suitable home around here. I want to
find them homes right now because there's another stray that needs my help,
but I can't take in another until I find a home for at least one of these
guys. 

 

The stray is blind in one eye and lives in my mom's bushes. She thinks the
neighbors (the ones who yell at their kids-I've mentioned them before) are
the ones who feed it. They have several outside cats that they never let
in that they feed from time to time, but nothing healthy, no shots, no
neuter/spay, etc. They are in are card club, I've been to their house, so
I'm familiar with their cat situation. This poor guy is so friendly with
me-he always comes out of the bushes when I'm around and meows at my car
when I leave. It's heartbreaking. He's so skinny! I'll pick up some dewormer
for him today.

 

Sorry to commandeer your story! I'm so happy for Nosey! Yea!!  As for the
mom cat not liking Nosey, whenever my cats, even the bestest of friends, are
gone for a while (like to the vet), they always hiss and swat at each other
for several days. I think it's the different smells that they are adjusting
to. Then they fall back into the old routine-so I wouldn't worry about that
too much.

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 4:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Caroline- Re: Rescue Cat's Reuniting 

 

Oh yes, an additional update.  The transfer went well.  I don't think her
owner (it was the husband that picked her up) knew Nosey could function so
well as she did with us.  He saw the room she stayed in and we told him that
she stayed in her crate at night (my mom is a firm believer in
crate-training cats- her cat Tally sleeps in her crate every night and she
LOVES that thing).  He seemed very surprised and asked how she did and I
told him she loved it!  She was perfect.., the crate became her security
and she would go take naps in it in the middle of the day with the door of
the crate open (go figure).  He paid us for more than what the vet bill was
(as compensation for food, etc).

Nosey didn't seem to recognize him and she wasn't really comfortable with
him instantly...she just kept rubbing up against me and my mom and coming up
to us.  But after a few minutes she was fine with him.  

He said that Nosey will definitely be an indoor cat now and she gets to
join her mom in the big house now, so that made us feel better.  Also,
this is the SECOND TIME Nosey ran away!!!  I don't think they want to go
thru this again, so she's movin' on up!  We told them about her being
deathly afraid of storms and I honestly don't think he knew because she
spent most of her time in the garage, on their property or porch.  I suspect
that is what led to her running away to begin with...  

The most shocking thing we found out is this... he told us that Nosey is 12
or 13 years old!  My mom and I freaked out!!!  The vet said she was maybe 5,
but it was SO hard to tell because she was skin and bones.  But that
knowledge made me feel a little better about her skin and bones condition
because yes, she was greatly malnourished and obviously too old to be
roaming outside in the hottest summer on record, but clearly some of it was
due to old age.  But at that, my mom and I both knew she needed to be back
home with her cat mom and cat brother, living life to ripe old age, and now
that these people see they need to take closer care of their aging cats,
they will do it.  They have a lot of money-- they also own a 43 acre farm in
S. Indiana with cows, goats, sheep, etc.  One of his cows was in labor
yesterday and he's experienced with animal husbandry, so they are definitely
caring, knowledgeable and intelligent people.  Since they moved Nosey's mom
(who is either 13 or 14) in the house about a year ago because she developed
an Upper Resp. Infection, I know they will do the same for Nosey now. 

I got an email from the wife (the attorney) this a.m. telling me that Nosey
adjusted well and she spent most of the evening in the husband's lap!!!
(she did not do that with my mom and I...?).  However, Nosey's mother (the
cat) was not happy to see her and Nosey felt the same, so they just avoided
each other (my guess is that the mother had this huge house to herself for a
year and was not happy to see that her baby was now there to invade it!)
Nosey ate fine and spent the a.m. in the wife's lap while she ate breakfast!
So, Nosey knows she's home!!!  She did also ask how I got her work
email,...so I finally fessed up to my detective work and she was totally
fine with it and we engaged in some other chit-chat, as I think she finally
realized I was a lawyer too!  

My mom and I are happy with our work.  A lot of people don't want 

RE: Success with Rescue Cat

2007-08-22 Thread Melissa Lind
Caroline,

 

I'm so happy for you! Yes, I'm sure another will turn up. That's what always
happens right? I totally forgot about the reverse look-up feature. Good
work! 

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Success with Rescue Cat

 

Okay, since there's been lots of debate and dare I say, controversy, over
the Malnourished Rescue Cat my mom and I took in and have been caring for, I
wanted everyone to know that she is GOING HOME and we have successfully
reunited her with her family.

 

Long story short, we pretty much took EVERYONE'S advice and tried a variety
of tactics (as I previously mentioned-- signs posted, I posted on websites,
etc.).  As I had mentioned, from the Rabies tag, all we were able to obtain
is the telephone number and street name (not number) of the owner and the
name of the cat- Nosey.  My mom and I pretty much sat on it for a while
since by then, we'd already taken her to the Vet and started her on Clavamox
and she needed so much rehabilitation anyway.  We tried to decide what to do
and we just hated the idea of totally cold call to this number...not knowing
ANYTHING about the person and whether they were a good owner.

 

We are almost finished with the Clavamox and have finished one tube of
Terramycin and Nosey is still exhibiting Upper Respiratory Infection
symptoms, thus my mom said we have to either: 1) take her back to the vet
this week, as needs more care, or 2) call the owners and make sure they take
her to the vet.

 

Since I had the owner phone number, I FINALLY remembered that the
Whitepages.com has this handy tab where you can do a reverse look-up-
using the phone number...it will give you a name and address.  Bingo!  I got
the street address we'd been wanting, which also provided me with the NAMES
of the two people living there  So, then I of course googled their
names...and low and behold, one of them is a Partner at a law firm here and
of course, my mouth dropped open (I am a lawyer too- and although this is a
big city, it's a SMALL legal community), thus I knew I had to contact her at
that point.  I also knew she could definitely afford the vet bill Nosey
incurred (they live on very rich street- I know that sounds weird, but the
property value of the houses on that street is ridiculous).  Anyway, I feel
like the ultimate pet detective, seriously.  Sometimes I think all I need in
life is google and the white or yellowpages.com!!!  

 

My mom and I discussed it and I decided to send her an email at her firm's
email address from my work email, so she would know where I work and that I
am an attorney too.  I took the initial vague route first (as was discussed
on this list serve)...to feel her out, etc.  She replied and said it's their
cat and they looked for her for weeks and weeks, but didn't check online
sites (which she apologized for) and asked when they could come get her.
After another consult with my mom, my mom wanted me to send her another
email where I socked it to her with the malnutrition, that she would have
died if we hadn't taken her in, she went to the vet and this and that was
done and the bill is this amount, we've been feeding her this  that, she
needs to go back to the vet because the URI is still lingering, I advise she
go back and get this treatment (a  full blood panel to check liver/kidney
function, fecal for tapeworms, etc.).  AND then I asked if she was
outdoor/indoor cat and said if so, I recommend she NOT be an outdoor cat
because she does not fair well outside, she has this URI that won't go away,
and she's deathly afraid of storms and if she is out when one comes, she
will run and hide.  WHEW!  All that.  I also apologized for hitting her with
all this at once and at work and admitted that I wanted to feel her out
initially before I admitted that we had the cat in our house and have done
intensive care/rehabbing.  

 

She responded really well!!!  She gave me info about Nosey's background-
they've had Nosey since birth and she lives with her Mother and Brother
cats.  They are mostly outside cats because they live on a large piece of
property with a covered porch.  She said the cats seldom go beyond the
immediate neighbors (who love them), but the mother cat became an indoor cat
a few years ago when she developed a URI!!!  So, hopefully, now that poor
Nosey has one that she can't seem to shake, they will make her an indoor cat
now (which I did press upon her).  She said they will compensate us for the
care we did, thanked us, and said they will continue with further vet care
for Nosey.  

 

We are going to try to connect tonight to do the hand-off.  My mom and I
both really happy that we've had a great result, but I have to admit that it
took some detecting on my part, as we weren't going to turn this cat over
to the great unknown!  I will never know how Nosey got one mile 

RE: Success with Rescue Cat

2007-08-22 Thread Melissa Lind
Susan,

 

I noticed that about England on a British cat chat site that I was once a
member of. But they all had backyards that were very small with fences and
very interesting tops to the fences that kept the cats from crawling over. I
hope someday to have a nice cat enclosure, but I could never have a fenced
in yard. Our yard is much too big-plus we like our neighbors and don't want
to fence them out! :-) But, I do sometimes feel cruel not letting the
kitties out. I know they'd love to run around and roll around in the grass.
This will remind me to keep saving for an enclosure! 

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Success with Rescue Cat

 

A, Caroline, you're GREAT!

 

Good work,good work!

 

They sound like good pet owners, and I bet they will keep her inside now.

 

You HAVE to give people the benefit of the doubt.

 

Heck, in England folks think it's cruel to make a cat stay inside 24/7.

 

 

That's why I spent a small fortune this spring on a cat enclosure.

 

 

Thanks for sharing!

 

 

 

 

 

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent

 

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Caroline Kaufmann mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 12:49 PM

Subject: OT: Success with Rescue Cat

 

Okay, since there's been lots of debate and dare I say, controversy, over
the Malnourished Rescue Cat my mom and I took in and have been caring for, I
wanted everyone to know that she is GOING HOME and we have successfully
reunited her with her family.

 

Long story short, we pretty much took EVERYONE'S advice and tried a variety
of tactics (as I previously mentioned-- signs posted, I posted on websites,
etc.).  As I had mentioned, from the Rabies tag, all we were able to obtain
is the telephone number and street name (not number) of the owner and the
name of the cat- Nosey.  My mom and I pretty much sat on it for a while
since by then, we'd already taken her to the Vet and started her on Clavamox
and she needed so much rehabilitation anyway.  We tried to decide what to do
and we just hated the idea of totally cold call to this number...not knowing
ANYTHING about the person and whether they were a good owner.

 

We are almost finished with the Clavamox and have finished one tube of
Terramycin and Nosey is still exhibiting Upper Respiratory Infection
symptoms, thus my mom said we have to either: 1) take her back to the vet
this week, as needs more care, or 2) call the owners and make sure they take
her to the vet.

 

Since I had the owner phone number, I FINALLY remembered that the
Whitepages.com has this handy tab where you can do a reverse look-up-
using the phone number...it will give you a name and address.  Bingo!  I got
the street address we'd been wanting, which also provided me with the NAMES
of the two people living there  So, then I of course googled their
names...and low and behold, one of them is a Partner at a law firm here and
of course, my mouth dropped open (I am a lawyer too- and although this is a
big city, it's a SMALL legal community), thus I knew I had to contact her at
that point.  I also knew she could definitely afford the vet bill Nosey
incurred (they live on very rich street- I know that sounds weird, but the
property value of the houses on that street is ridiculous).  Anyway, I feel
like the ultimate pet detective, seriously.  Sometimes I think all I need in
life is google and the white or yellowpages.com!!!  

 

My mom and I discussed it and I decided to send her an email at her firm's
email address from my work email, so she would know where I work and that I
am an attorney too.  I took the initial vague route first (as was discussed
on this list serve)...to feel her out, etc.  She replied and said it's their
cat and they looked for her for weeks and weeks, but didn't check online
sites (which she apologized for) and asked when they could come get her.
After another consult with my mom, my mom wanted me to send her another
email where I socked it to her with the malnutrition, that she would have
died if we hadn't taken her in, she went to the vet and this and that was
done and the bill is this amount, we've been feeding her this  that, she
needs to go back to the vet because the URI is still lingering, I advise she
go back and get this treatment (a  full blood panel to check liver/kidney
function, fecal for tapeworms, etc.).  AND then I asked if she was
outdoor/indoor cat 

OT: Very OT: England

2007-08-22 Thread Melissa Lind
This is way OT, but I agree with the way they equip their police officers in
England. I assume that hand guns are outlawed in general, but I don’t know.
As for violent crime—yes, they have that. I had to read the book Among the
Thugs in grad school. It’s about one man who hangs out with the soccer fans
in Britain (non-fiction). Read about soccer fans, and you’ll totally change
your perspective on England (by “you” I don’t mean you, Caroline, just the
plural, general you). Some of the atrocities are astounding. These thugs are
often skinheads who detest authority (cops) and anyone but WASPs. They are
actually more like gangs organized around which soccer team they support. I
could repeat some of the things they did, but I’ll try to keep this “pg” as
reminded before. It’s horrifying. Much worse than our NFL fans or other
professional sports fans—who can be extreme at times—these soccer fans in
England are far more over the top than any sports fans here. In your “spare
time” (ha ha), you should read this book—very interesting although not
uplifting. It’s always good to be informed about other cultures, I think. We
have so much to learn about the world! :-)

 

I sincerely apologize for being very OT, but I consider you guys my friends,
and I’d like to share this info. Sometimes I just can’t help but chit chat,
sorry! Feel free to chastise me with abandon!

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 3:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Success with Rescue Cat

 

No, I don't think they have the animal cruelty issue like we do.  You have
to remember that England's version of police officers don't even carry
guns!!!  Because they so rarely have any violent crime!  An animal cruelty
is a violent crime.  

I have always taken all my cats out on leashes, and now, harnesses.  And I
moved to the house I live in now a year ago, pretty much for Monkee.  So
that he could have a front, screened in and enclosed porch...which he
worshiped.  I moved there last August, not knowing that it would be the last
year of his life, and that come Aug. 2007, he'd be gone.  But I know for a
fact that last year of his life was his happiest because he LOVED that porch
more than anything!  I hope to eventually always have a similar (but bigger)
screened and enclosed porch for all the kitties I will someday have.  They
get the best of both worlds that way!

-Caroline 


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From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Success with Rescue Cat
Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:58:49 -0500

Yes, and for some reason, I am thinking that they do not have the animal
cruelty problem there that we have here.

 

I could be wrong.

 

My cats actually seem healthier since they have access to the fresh air.

 

No matter what the weather is like, they are out there.

 

At night, of course, they have to sleep on top of me.

 

Ever guarding the food source:)

 

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com http://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/ 
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org http://www.tx.siameserescue.org/ 
www.shadowcats.net http://www.shadowcats.net/ 
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent

 

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Melissa Lind mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:47 PM

Subject: RE: Success with Rescue Cat

 

Susan,

 

I noticed that about England on a British cat chat site that I was once a
member of. But they all had backyards that were very small with fences and
very interesting tops to the fences that kept the cats from crawling over. I
hope someday to have a nice cat enclosure, but I could never have a fenced
in yard. Our yard is much too big—plus we like our neighbors and don’t want
to fence them out! :-) But, I do sometimes feel cruel not letting the
kitties out. I know they’d love to run around and roll around in the grass.
This will remind me to keep saving for an enclosure! 

 

Melissa

 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Success with Rescue Cat

 

 

 




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RE: OT: rescue remedy

2007-08-14 Thread Melissa Lind
I tried Feliway plug ins at one time-before we got the new fosters. It
didn't really do anything, but I could try it again. Last night was a quiet
night. They got their wrestling out of the way early! I got a full night's
sleep! Yea!!

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taylor Scobie
Humphrey
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 12:55 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: rescue remedy

 

What a couple of nutballs!  Have you tried the ever-popular Feliway
plug-ins?  Or, come to think about it, earplugs for the humans?  And rescue
remedy in your mouths?  (Sigh.)  

 

At least you have happy cats!

 

 

Consciousness is Causal 

 and Physicality is its

 Manifestation.





 

On Aug 13, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Melissa Lind wrote:





So, I was really excited to get some rescue remedy and try it out on the
kitties to see how amazingly it worked-no luck! Am I doing something wrong?
I bought the regular rescue remedy in the dropper form and the rescue sleep
in the spray. I was hoping to use it at night or the early morning hours
when things get out of control at our house. Mainly it's just two of our
cats who wrestle and fight (play fight) constantly-non stop! It's loud (even
though they don't meow), but they're running into things, stampeding through
the hallway, scratching furniture as they vault over it, mauling each other,
etc. They look like one gray ball rolling around frantically.

 

When we're awake during the day, it's all very amusing, and I always break
up the fights when they get too serious. Those two hearts get to beating so
fast! One is not picking on the other-both take turns instigating these
fights.

 

Anyway, I thought maybe the rescue remedy would calm them down during these
situations when we're trying to sleep and they're playing rodeo. I
squirted the rescue sleep in one cat's mouth. Nothing. I added it to their
water at bed time. No luck. I gave them a drop of the regular rescue remedy
in their mouths. Nada. The circus continued at 4 a.m. without lessening.

 

Anybody else have zero results with this? Does it only work with stressed
out cats and not rambunctious ones? Maybe we should be using it on ourselves
instead! :-)

 



RE:OT Getting rid of fleas????

2007-08-14 Thread Melissa Lind
Beckie,

 

We don't have fleas, but my mom did, and she has to have the Orkin man come
periodically to get rid of the problem and prevent it from coming back.
Sounds to me as though it is an on-going battle, so I don't envy you at all!

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beckie McRae
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 10:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Getting rid of fleas

 

Ok guys, so what in your opinion is the best way to rid your house of fleas?

 

Beckie



RE: Scuba Kitty (another funny)

2007-08-14 Thread Melissa Lind
Thanks Wendy! That's awesome! I laughed and laughed!

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 2:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Scuba Kitty (another funny)

 

Hey guys,

 

Some of you have seen this before, because I've posted it, but there are a
lot of newbies that I thought might enjoy it.  This is my favorite kitty
funny:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LL-fcX1MIH0

 

Is this crazy or what?!  If you scuba dive, you know how incredible this is!


 

:)

Wendy
 

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret
Meade ~~~

 

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RE: Success!

2007-08-13 Thread Melissa Lind
Beckie,

 

Wow-I'm glad things are going better for you. What a horrible vet! My vet
gave me lots of ideas for various things-her excuse doesn't make any sense.
We used double stick tape (the big wide stuff) to stop some carpet
scratching. So, the vet can't recommend that since they aren't a hardware
store and don't sell it? Ridiculous! I think sometimes people get into
professions not because of love of the job but because of money-or maybe
somewhere along the way they lose sight of the big picture. 

 

Best to your fur babies! Stay cool! Here in Nebraska weren't getting into
the 100s today-hope Iowa isn't as bad this week!

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beckie McRae
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 8:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Success!

 

Well, Friday, I went and got the Pill Pockets.  (Chicken Flavored, my cats
hate seafood, go figure), Went home, wrapped the Benedryl in it, and..WA
LA!  Down it went!  I was SO happy!!!

The lady at the pet store also told me about these bath wipes so I got a
pack of those.  They're like baby wipes, and you just rub them down, and it
helps to moisturize their skin, and his coat is so soft!  I just wipe him
down once a day, (which he LOVES by the way).  Also, they have aloe, so that
helps with his scratching.  Amazingly enough, the lady at the pet store was
more helpful than the vet!  When I got home, and saw how everything worked,
I IMMEDIATELY got on the phone with the vet and ripped her a new one.  I
wanted to know why she hadn't told me about these products especially since
I voiced to her MANY times how bad the pilling was going, and how bad his
skin was.  Hell, she SAW it!  Her response?  We don't endorse other products
than what we sell here.  Well I proceeded to tell her that when she became a
vet she took an oath to care for an ailing animal NO MATTER WHAT, and even
though they don't endorse those products, she STILL could have suggested
them.  I told her if it was THAT big of a deal maybe THEY should start
getting wipes, and pill pockets there to ENDORSE so that other people and
their animals don't have to go through what we've been.  I told her that I
would NEVER be coming back to her, and I WOULD be filing a report with the
better business bureau, and ANYONE who asks me for a vet, I will them to go
ANYWHERE but there.  I was HOT

 

Thanks again guys!

Beckie



RE: Brewer's Yeast

2007-08-13 Thread Melissa Lind
I got my nutritional yeast at Wild Oats or some store like that. I came in a
big glass jar. I had to ask for it since it was difficult to find.  Yummy
stuff!

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Brewer's Yeast

 

they are different, but i don't know where to buy nutritional
yeast

tonya

Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Caroline,

 

I use Nutritional Yeast, which I think is the same as Brewer's Yeast. I put
it on my air-popped popcorn instead of butter. However, it's high in iron
and has a warning that children can OD on this from the iron-very dangerous.
So, since kitties are smaller than children, I'd be careful. But, maybe
yours is different from mine? I know I love it, and thanks for bringing it
up! I need more iron, so I think I'll enjoy it tonight!

 

At someone's suggestion a while back, I ordered some FortiFlora. I sprinkle
that on the kitty food now and then-and they gobble it up. I think it's a
probiotic.

 

Good luck-I'm really happy a kitty in need found you! :-) 

 

Melissa

 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Brewer's Yeast

 

I hate to do this to you guys again because I know there's been discussion
about this before, but who uses Brewer's Yeast and what does it do?  I
bought some yesterday and want to try it out my outdoor Lil Girl that I
feed, my foster cat- Izzee, my mom's cat Tally and the malnourished rescue
we are currently treating.  I know it says it's a supplement and packed with
vitamins, but is there anything in particular it is good for?  I also
thought someone said to be careful with it and very gradually introduce it
to the cats food?  Or am I making that up?  

 

Insight from people currently using it is greatly appreciated!

 

Thanks,

Caroline 





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RE: How to Keep Tags on Your cat???

2007-08-13 Thread Melissa Lind
Wendy,

 

I'm not sure if your cats go outside. Mine don't, and I have never even
considered putting a collar on them. I never really thought about the health
risks (like choking), but I knew my kitties would absolutely despise
collars. Plus, with the tags jingling, they'd never be able to sneak up on
each other (or us). I know there is a risk of them escaping when we go in
and out, but really they haven't tried to run outside in at least a year. I
guess it's a difficult subject to decide on. Yes, we've had emergencies
where the door was left open and they got out, but we live in such a small
town (without animal control, per se), that I think the benefits outweigh
the risks in my case. Sorry I'm not much help!

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 3:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: How to Keep Tags on Your cat???

 

Chris's post below sparked a question I have.  I have a couple of cats that
constantly lose their collars.  Any ideas on how to get them to keep them
on?  I always use break-aways because I'm afraid of my cat hanging
themselves on something.  In fact, our 6 lb. Julie the other day, came and
woke me up wearing her collar like a girdle, because I hadn't tightened it
up very much (new collar), and she got her paw through it and the break away
didn't give (it didn't need to; too much room still).  It was funny, but
kinda scary.  Anyone have any ideas?

 

:)

Wendy
 

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- Original Message 
From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 10:54:56 AM
Subject: RE: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

If this cat has been out there a long time, it is possible they no longer
live there.  I hate to be the voice of dissent, but I've been through this
for 2 years now-there are sooo many reasons why a cat was lost.  Nobody
would ever dump a cat with a collar  tags!  Actually, it's a pretty
responsible thing to put collar and tags on a cat that goes outside-most
people don't cause cats are notorious for pulling them off.  If this is as
sweet a cat as you describe him, somebody's got to be missing him.  Call
them-feel them out. bet you'll be surprised!

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 11:08 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

 


Oh my god!  Now I know why I post my lengthy stories to you guys (more than
just venting)!  Everyone has made such wonderful suggestions- I really
appreciate it.  We have the owners address so this is what I will suggest to
my mom that we do.  That way, we can make the owners come to us!  We can
make a flyer tonight and post it on their street.  Ironically, they live
near the neighborhood I grew up in in Louisville and the street was on my
school bus route, so my mom and I are very familiar.  I'm excited now!  I
think this is the best way to test the owners!   

Thanks everyone!

-Caroline   



 


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From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:37:32 -0700 (PDT)

You could post a flyer right on their mailbox and every other mailbox in the
neighborhood, stating that the cat was found, with some description and that
further description and payment of vet bill would be required to receive
kitty back.  I'd leave off the amount.  Good ideas Melissa!
 

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret
Meade ~~~

 

- Original Message 
From: Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 8:36:35 AM
Subject: RE: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

Caroline,

 

I think it's great what you are doing! I'm very happy that your mom is
getting on board with it! I know my family admires (even though they may not
understand) my compassion for animals, but getting them to help, even
reluctantly, is something I haven't been able to do as of late. Good for
you!

 

As for the owner-issue, with my rescued cats back in April, I advertised
them as found cats (without description), and stated that the owners must
describe the cat and pay the vet bill. I thought that if they really loved
their kitty that they would do anything to get it back-no matter the cost.
And if they couldn't afford it, then they would at least try their hardest
to convince me

RE: To Glenda and Marmalade

2007-08-13 Thread Melissa Lind
Glenda,

It's okay to dwell on this issue as long as you turn it into a positive
experience, as you are trying to do. It's very sad what happened, but I
think that you are on the right track with your passion to change things for
the better! Good!

Melissa

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of glenda Goodman
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:31 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: To Glenda and Marmalade

I hate to get back on this again, but I believe this
cat was once someone's cat...When I looked at this
kitty and he looked at me, in the light of my friend's
cell phone that night, I knew he was not born feral.
There was that moment of communication. I was sure he
just needed a little work and a little time to become
adoptable. 
I will be hurting for the rest of my life over this! I
was very upset he was put in with the 'wild cats as I
was told, that next morning. I said I did not believe
he was wild! This one worker said he was howling at
her. Another gal, at another point in time, only said,
He is not friendly. Well, he knew the hell hole he
was in with people that did not try to be kind to him.
I named him...he was going to be taken under my
wing...My friend, asked me why this cat was so
important to me, this when I told her I planned to
take this cat on. I told her, because he was smart,
beautiful, and a survivor and I respected him... I
wanted to restore his faith in people...I wanted him
to get a good home. I felt he deserved that. This cat
had character...I could tell... He had slept one night
on my friend's front porch...how feral is that? This
cat wanted a home. I do not mean to be back here
bringing all this up again...I have made everyone ,
including myself crazy with this...I will be bringing
up a lot of points to the public here about this cat
that I am bringing up here. I am going over certain
points, getting ready to hit them...
This shelter is just too reckless with our
animals...This dark hole they confine the cats, they
consider feral, is a place I want brought out into the
light...This is crap! I am still so broken up over
this I still am looking through my tears...At any
given moment they could have someone's cat in their
feral holding section . When I wrote to you guys
with that letter: WHAT ARE MY RIGHTS HERE: I was
writing as a person out in the public, someone who
pays taxes...I could not believe they actually shut
certain animals out of public view, like they are bad,
diseased, horrible creatures...I feel we have a right
to see and know what our local shelters are doing at
all times. I probably have 10Xs the cat experience as
any new hire down there who might decide a certain cat
iswild. They never even used the word , feral. I
doubt they know the definition of feral...
Well, he might have been a little difficult for me to
stick my hand into the trap the night he was caught,
but I knew he would come around , because he was calm
when I talked to him. It was just going to take time
to gain his trust...I absolutely knew I had something
to work with...I'm so sorry guys! Glenda 
--- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That would be the fault IF the cat had ever even had
 a pet owner.  As far as Glenda knew, this cat was
 feral..
   t
 
 Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   There's a very simple, responsible remedy for
 this, at least for pet owners who purport to be
 responsible --- KEEP YOUR PETS INSIDE OR IN AN
 ENCLOSURE OR SUPERVISED ON A LEASH OR HARNESS when
 outside.  There in my opinion, is NO excuse not to
 and if you don't you have no reason or excuse to cry
 when one gets hit by a car, eaten by wildlife or
 killed by a animal hating neighbor  I personally
 find it extremely hard to have sympathy for anyone
 under these circumstances.
 
   I even read one, if not two, news stories of
 another AS in our state who put down someone's pet
 who had been located, the people had called and were
 on their way to pick it up, get there, and it's
 gone.
 
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OT: rescue remedy

2007-08-13 Thread Melissa Lind
So, I was really excited to get some rescue remedy and try it out on the
kitties to see how amazingly it worked-no luck! Am I doing something wrong?
I bought the regular rescue remedy in the dropper form and the rescue sleep
in the spray. I was hoping to use it at night or the early morning hours
when things get out of control at our house. Mainly it's just two of our
cats who wrestle and fight (play fight) constantly-non stop! It's loud (even
though they don't meow), but they're running into things, stampeding through
the hallway, scratching furniture as they vault over it, mauling each other,
etc. They look like one gray ball rolling around frantically.

 

When we're awake during the day, it's all very amusing, and I always break
up the fights when they get too serious. Those two hearts get to beating so
fast! One is not picking on the other-both take turns instigating these
fights. 

 

Anyway, I thought maybe the rescue remedy would calm them down during these
situations when we're trying to sleep and they're playing rodeo. I
squirted the rescue sleep in one cat's mouth. Nothing. I added it to their
water at bed time. No luck. I gave them a drop of the regular rescue remedy
in their mouths. Nada. The circus continued at 4 a.m. without lessening.

 

Anybody else have zero results with this? Does it only work with stressed
out cats and not rambunctious ones? Maybe we should be using it on ourselves
instead! :-)

 

Melissa Lind

 



RE: rescue remedy

2007-08-13 Thread Melissa Lind
I'll try the ear thing that was mentioned. We try to wear them out before
bed, but inevitably, they start their wrestling at 4 a.m. after some sleep.
I'm just not ready to get up that early. So, I've been getting up, trying
the rescue remedy, then stumbling back to bed. Sometimes I think a pillow
over my head works the best! :-)

 

One of the cats is about a year old; the other is about 1 and a half, we're
guessing. They have so much energy!

 

Smokey-the youngest-loves to play fetch. So, at night we can wear her out
with several hours of fetch (we never trained her, she just started on her
own). But, the other cat, Nonie, refuses to do anything but lay around in
the evening! Resting up for the rodeo I guess!

 

At least there's never a dull moment!

 

RE: the video, I've never found a carpet cleaner (besides the professional
we hire twice a year) that has been able to get vomit stains out. Anything
work well for you guys? It seems that every time we get the carpet
professionally cleaned, they puke the same day. Probably the chemicals in
the carpet I'm guessing. I want to buy a Spot Bot, but those are expensive,
and $ is tight right now. I'm desperate for a good carpet cleaning solution
as I dream of wood floors.

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 2:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: rescue remedy

 

Maybe it does not work on kittens? I used to wear mine out by playing with
feather toys for 20 minutes at bedtime and they (2 and 3 mo old) slept
through the night from the very beginning.

 

I use Rescue Remedy by warming between my thumb and index finger and then
holding inside non furry part of ear for about 10 seconds. It works very
well to calm my agressive cat before we go to the vet.

Laurie

- Original Message - 

From: Melissa Lind mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 12:06 PM

Subject: OT: rescue remedy

 

So, I was really excited to get some rescue remedy and try it out on the
kitties to see how amazingly it worked-no luck! Am I doing something wrong?
I bought the regular rescue remedy in the dropper form and the rescue sleep
in the spray. I was hoping to use it at night or the early morning hours
when things get out of control at our house. Mainly it's just two of our
cats who wrestle and fight (play fight) constantly-non stop! It's loud (even
though they don't meow), but they're running into things, stampeding through
the hallway, scratching furniture as they vault over it, mauling each other,
etc. They look like one gray ball rolling around frantically.

 

When we're awake during the day, it's all very amusing, and I always break
up the fights when they get too serious. Those two hearts get to beating so
fast! One is not picking on the other-both take turns instigating these
fights. 

 

Anyway, I thought maybe the rescue remedy would calm them down during these
situations when we're trying to sleep and they're playing rodeo. I
squirted the rescue sleep in one cat's mouth. Nothing. I added it to their
water at bed time. No luck. I gave them a drop of the regular rescue remedy
in their mouths. Nada. The circus continued at 4 a.m. without lessening.

 

Anybody else have zero results with this? Does it only work with stressed
out cats and not rambunctious ones? Maybe we should be using it on ourselves
instead! :-)

 

Melissa Lind

 



RE: OT: rescue remedy

2007-08-13 Thread Melissa Lind
: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living
his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. 
- Anonymous 

 

- Original Message 
From: Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 1:06:12 PM
Subject: OT: rescue remedy

So, I was really excited to get some rescue remedy and try it out on the
kitties to see how amazingly it worked-no luck! Am I doing something wrong?
I bought the regular rescue remedy in the dropper form and the rescue sleep
in the spray. I was hoping to use it at night or the early morning hours
when things get out of control at our house. Mainly it's just two of our
cats who wrestle and fight (play fight) constantly-non stop! It's loud (even
though they don't meow), but they're running into things, stampeding through
the hallway, scratching furniture as they vault over it, mauling each other,
etc. They look like one gray ball rolling around frantically.

 

When we're awake during the day, it's all very amusing, and I always break
up the fights when they get too serious. Those two hearts get to beating so
fast! One is not picking on the other-both take turns instigating these
fights. 

 

Anyway, I thought maybe the rescue remedy would calm them down during these
situations when we're trying to sleep and they're playing rodeo. I
squirted the rescue sleep in one cat's mouth. Nothing. I added it to their
water at bed time. No luck. I gave them a drop of the regular rescue remedy
in their mouths. Nada. The circus continued at 4 a.m. without lessening.

 

Anybody else have zero results with this? Does it only work with stressed
out cats and not rambunctious ones? Maybe we should be using it on ourselves
instead! :-) 

 

Melissa Lind

 

 

 

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RE: Moe has taken a turn for the worse...

2007-08-10 Thread Melissa Lind
Beckie,

 

You sound really stressed! You are such a good person for helping this poor
kitty! As for pilling, I know that many people here use the gravy from the
wet food for mixing the pills with-maybe that would work? Maybe use some raw
meat like liver (yuck) or something like that to entice little Moe? Good
luck!

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beckie McRae
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 8:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Moe has taken a turn for the worse...

 

Well Moeman has gotten REALLY sick again.  

He's got huge bumps ALL around his neck, like he's wearing a collar or
something, but he doesn't.  I called the vet and explained to her that since
I've already had him in there 3 times, I couldn't afford to keep bringing
him back and asked for Clavomox (spelling?).  When our other cat McGhee was
really sick like this that's what she had and we would notice a difference
in her in a matter of hours.  The vet said it would upset his stomach and
make him more sick.  She said to try to give him a benydryl (again
spelling?) and see how that goes for the weekend.  We gave him 25mg last
night, and he FINALLY went to sleep.  I seriously don't think this poor
little thing has gotten a good night's sleep in weeks.  He's CONSTANTLY
scratching, or licking, it's bad.  So when we got up this morning he seemed
to be a little perkier, but not much.  Hopefully the benydryl will work and
he'll get his strength back.  Only thing is we have the pills, and I feel
HORRIBLE when we give them to him.  Mitch has to hold him by his neck, then
I have to pry his mouth open, etc..I've tried crushing it up and putting it
food, but he knows it's there and won't touch it.  Even wet food, which is
like a treat for him!  Any ideas on how I could crush up a pill and have him
take it without even knowing it?

 

Thanks guys.  I swear, sometimes I wonder what I did before I found you all.

Beckie



RE: Gus Please add to the CLS :(

2007-08-10 Thread Melissa Lind
Prayers and gentle thoughts being sent your way. Peace be with Gus.

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 7:27 PM
To: Felvtalk
Subject: Gus Please add to the CLS :(

 

We lost our sweet Gus today,he had felv and fiv.His body just could not take
any more.He came to the shelter a month before I started there almost 2
years ago.He will be sadly missed.

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RE: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

2007-08-10 Thread Melissa Lind
Caroline,

 

I think it's great what you are doing! I'm very happy that your mom is
getting on board with it! I know my family admires (even though they may not
understand) my compassion for animals, but getting them to help, even
reluctantly, is something I haven't been able to do as of late. Good for
you!

 

As for the owner-issue, with my rescued cats back in April, I advertised
them as found cats (without description), and stated that the owners must
describe the cat and pay the vet bill. I thought that if they really loved
their kitty that they would do anything to get it back-no matter the cost.
And if they couldn't afford it, then they would at least try their hardest
to convince me that they deserved the kitty back even if they couldn't pay.
I did not think this was out of line at all, and of course, as my husband
predicted, no one came forward to claim the kitties. I knew that one was a
stray (lived out of a dumpster) and the other might have been a back-door
feeder but was severely neglected. 

 

If I understand correctly (I've been reading stories very quickly), you have
the contact info of the owners? I would get kitty all fixed up nice-then let
them know the bill. If they love kitty, they'll pay (or at least try).

 

I'm very happy for you guys-especially at your abilities to get lowered vet
bills-way to go!!!

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

 

My mom took the cat we rescued Sat. to her regular vet today.  I couldn't
get a hold of my Shamrock contact (she lost her cell phone in the bushes
somewhere crawling around doing a kitten rescue- typical- this explains why
I couldn't get a hold of her!).  My mom was just really frustrated and felt
she couldn't wait on Shamrock or anyone of those groups to help us get the
cat into a vet that would treat her half price/discounted.  She wanted to
make sure we were dealing only with malnutrition and an upper respiratory
infection.  She ended up seeing a relief vet and my mom says she spent the
first 15 mins arguing with the vet over what the cat needed, what they
were/weren't going to do to her, and finding the owner.  The vet pressured
my mom into calling the vet number listed on the rabies tag AGAIN- even
though we never heard from him and know that he has other clinics that are
open in Louisville- well, when she called, she got a live person!  That
person looked up the rabies tag and gave my mom the owner information, so
we have that now.  The cat's name is Nosey...I mean..., I don't
knowyour alls' guesses are as good as mine...that's all I will say about
that.

My mom bargained down the vet and since she now had the owner info, I guess
the dr. let her off the hook as far as not doing EVERYTHING that a vet would
usually do with a rescued cat.  They did a fecal and surprisingly, she
doesn't have worms.  Although, she could still have tape worms since I found
a live flea on her- but we are going to wait on that.  I can always get a
tapeworm pill from Shamrock if I need to.  She weighs 5 lbs, 5
ounces!!!  I told you she was malnourished!  The vet had
trouble aging her and guessed 5 years.  I think she's a little off there--
she has tarter on her teeth, but not tons and she has no grey tarter- just
the yellow, so I think she's younger than 5, but over 2 years.  I think the
vet's being thrown off by the malnourishment.  

She sneezed for the vet, so she's putting her on oral clavamox.
Surprisingly, the vet said everything we've been doing for her is right and
then some...we wrote out a list that included everything- the colostrum,
food, etc., which my mom handed to the vet when she walked in.  So I guess
we know more of what we are doing than we thought.  AND my usually reluctant
to do rescues mother has even said that she is willing to do more of
this as long as she has the resources set up ahead of time- meaning, ready
access to a vet, if vet care is needed, that will treat a rescue cat for a
discount!  She got out of there with a $59 bill.  

As for calling the owner, we are in no rush.  My mom still has major
concerns based on how tight the collar was on the cat- so tight it rubbed
the fur off, if she was supposed to be an outside cat or indoor/outdoor cat-
why isn't she micro chipped, and she did end up a long way from home, etc.
I'm probably going to call them and feel them out before I release too much
info.  What I DON'T want to happen is to have a reluctant owner lie to us
and say yeah, we want her back, and then just surrender her to Animal
Control after we turn her over, or just let her back out in this heat, etc.
I am not going to have done all this work on this cat for NOTHING!  

The cat is back home at my mom's, no doubt loving the a/c.  She's happy and
I am sure she's gained an couple ounces since Sat. already.

 


RE: To Glenda re. Marmalade

2007-08-10 Thread Melissa Lind
Glenda,

As usual, I think that Wendy always states things perfectly. I've been
reading your story, but I've been unable to think of what to say. I had to
decide what I felt first. Wendy's honesty put me in the right direction.

I think it's easy to place blame and to point a finger at you (Glenda). I
was saddened and confused about the circumstances and why things happened
the way they did, but I think that I am not above reproach. I live with the
guilt of how I mistreated a kitty and a dog in the past. Just like Wendy, I
am ashamed of my actions. In junior high/high school, we had a dog that we
didn't give attention to. My mom had 5 girls, a lousy husband, and we had
trouble taking care of ourselves, so the dog suffered too. Luckily, we found
her a good home. 

Then, as if I didn't learn my lesson, I took in a kitty when I moved out. I
was not in a good place to take care of another living being--dealing with a
loss and very sad. I didn't play with kitty, didn't scoop litter as much as
I should have, just didn't care. Since I didn't really care so much about my
own life at the time, kitty got left out too. Luckily, I found someone to
take him after I realized that I was not being fair to him.

We can all say, How could you do such a cruel and senseless thing?! and we
can all say that we would never do such a thing. But, can we be sure? I've
come a long way in my understanding of animals, creation, etc. I've made a
long journey (in my short life thus far) in appreciating our fellow
creatures, but I wasn't always that way. I wasn't outright mean, but I was
neglectful and immature. We all have things to learn and past mistakes to
atone for (be they relationships with animals, humans, whatever). Some of us
have reached this point by many different experiences and avenues. While
there is no excuse for what we've done, there's no reason to dwell on it. We
should acknowledge our mistakes, forgive ourselves and others, and vow to
make a difference with our lives. We cannot wallow in despair and regret;
instead we must commit to an improved future--which you are doing Glenda.
Good for you. 

Best wishes,
Melissa



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 11:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: To Glenda re. Marmalade

Glenda,

I have been reading about you and Marmalade the past few days and mulling
over all I have read.  I can completely see how each person can feel the way
they do.  What happened is horrific.  I know all of us are saddened by it.
Obviously, you have learned your lesson and I can tell you feel badly about
what happened.  I don't want to say something hurtful or mean, although what
happened to Marmalade, honestly, has made me angry and sad.  However, as it
has been pointed out, this happens every day to hundreds of animals in the
world.  Marmalade is just one.  A grass roots foster/rescue program is
needed, but who among us has the time or is willing to sacrifice?  We live
in a damn rat race.  And I do not think that shelter work is every person's
calling.  I am starting up a pet sitting business and taking care of my
brood, among all the other stuff going on in my life.  Volunteering isn't
part of the mix right now, but I do feel like I'm doing my part in my
 little corner of the world, for now.  

I am glad you feel you can come here for help.  I think the people here are
wonderful.  Hideyo is very intense.  I personally think she feels things
more intensely than many of us do; that observation is based on what I have
seen in the past.  I think she will come around again.  She's angry and hurt
now, as many of us are, and you are the easiest target for that,
unfortunately.  However, even though you made a mistake, it was not
intentional, and you were trying to rectify it.  We ALL make mistakes.
Every last one of us.  One time, when I was just a girl, one of our cats (we
had many) attacked my face.  I was trying to pet him and talking to him
really sweet, and he just attacked me and scratched me up.  I was bleeding
pretty good from several places, but my heart hurt more than my head.  He
jumped off the bed and walked off like he was the cat's meow and I kicked
him in the behind.  I was probably 8.  He died a few days after that.  He
couldn't pee
 and my mom was the type not to waste money on our pets; she had to make
sure she always had a six pack handy.  I have always felt really badly about
that.  In hindsight, it's quite possible that this kitty had crystals or
already had a UTI.  But I'll never know and I choose to carry the grief that
comes along with the responsibility of a mistake.  I know there are probably
others here who have unintentionally hurt an animal.  I am certainly holding
no grudge against you as I have no room to judge your mistake.  I do hope
that, as others have said, it can be turned into something good, for little
Marmalade's sake.  That is all that can be done now.  Prayers 

RE: Exactly what are my rights here?

2007-08-09 Thread Melissa Lind
Hi Glenda,

I didn't read this until this morning at work. What horrible people for not
letting you back to see Marmalade. I've got my fingers crossed for him. It's
so sad how many people don't care about our fellow creatures. Let us know
right away about Marmalade. He sounds like a great cat who deserves a chance
(don't they all?!).

Melissa

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of glenda Goodman
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Exactly what are my rights here?

Hello everyone,
Several of you here know my story about trapping an
orange and white cat , whom I named Marmalade. The cat
was trapped this last Sunday night in my personal
trap. The cat was then transported to our local
shelter by a policeman. When the cat was turned over,
he became the property of the county shelter...He was
trapped at my friend's house, together we decided to
call the officer...
The shelter decided Monday morning he was a
wildferal cat and told me he was put in with the
wild kitties and would have to be put down. They did
say they would wait 3-days to see if anyone came
forward to claim him. I went in Monday morning to see
the kitty and get my trap back...I was told I could
not see him. I asked if I could take him to be
tested.After some discussion, I was told I could. I
made the appt. for that Monday. I was then told I
could not test him until Thursday, after the 3-day
waiting period. I went to the shelter yesterday
morning to visit the kitty. I just wanted to see him ,
see if he might talk back to me, show some sign of
wanting me to work with him. I was told by a worker
,because he was in the wild kitty section, I  was not
allowed to see him...I was told the reason being they
were worried about liability...I tried to understand
their point and did not want to be too much of a thorn
in their behind, because at least they had given me
permission to have the cat tested on Thursday morning.
I had an appt. for 9:15 am. The shelter opens at
9:00am. I was using the same vet they use...
Last night I was heading down to the shelter after
work and had decided to bring up some points about if
this kitty tested negative for the FeLV and FIV and I
decided to neuter this cat...after all I already had
an investment in the cat and if the cat were
young...looked under three years old...was there maybe
someone who might enjoy the challenge of working with
a feral...if indeed this cat was a feral...Things like
that...I called my friend on the way home and decided
one more day would not hurt that much and at least
after the test I'd have one important plus to work
with if the cat tested clean...Us cat people do tend
to rattle people enough as it is...
Well, I got home tonight and there was a message on my
phone from the director of our shelter...It was: Hi
Glenda, I have some good and bad news for you.  If you
get this before 7:00pm give me a call @Otherwise
call me in the morning...I got the message after 
9:00pm.
Well guys, nothing like suspense...I hate to jump to
conclusions , but I bet they put the cat down...and
they will tell me he tested neg. 
I will be on the computer to tell everyone the rest of
the story in the morning...
The fact the beginning of the story is a story in
itself, should hold everyone until morning...I
seriously wonder what the wild cat area is like??? I'd
like to know what they do with ferals after they are
caught here...? I am going to be talking to feral cat
people in other neighboring areas to see what type of
programs they have...Thanks for reading this.
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RE: Brewer's Yeast

2007-08-09 Thread Melissa Lind
Yea for Papillion! I love the name too! 

 

I'll have to sprinkle a little nutritional yeast for my piggies tonight! :-)

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 1:58 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Brewer's Yeast

 

I forwarded to my vet the protocol that I am using for yeast supplements,
and he said that was fine.

 

He also said that the Nutritional Yeast is fine to use too.

 

I just have to keep Papillon from eating it all, he is quite the little
yeast pig.

 

He is my felv+ flamepoint form the area pound.

 

Came in w/ a very bad neck wound that healed beautifully.

 

Pisses me off w/ vets say that injured cats that are felv+ won't ever
heal..

 

And it pissed off my vet, too

 

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
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RE: Brewer's Yeast

2007-08-08 Thread Melissa Lind
Hi Caroline,

 

I use Nutritional Yeast, which I think is the same as Brewer's Yeast. I put
it on my air-popped popcorn instead of butter. However, it's high in iron
and has a warning that children can OD on this from the iron-very dangerous.
So, since kitties are smaller than children, I'd be careful. But, maybe
yours is different from mine? I know I love it, and thanks for bringing it
up! I need more iron, so I think I'll enjoy it tonight!

 

At someone's suggestion a while back, I ordered some FortiFlora. I sprinkle
that on the kitty food now and then-and they gobble it up. I think it's a
probiotic.

 

Good luck-I'm really happy a kitty in need found you! :-) 

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Brewer's Yeast

 

I hate to do this to you guys again because I know there's been discussion
about this before, but who uses Brewer's Yeast and what does it do?  I
bought some yesterday and want to try it out my outdoor Lil Girl that I
feed, my foster cat- Izzee, my mom's cat Tally and the malnourished rescue
we are currently treating.  I know it says it's a supplement and packed with
vitamins, but is there anything in particular it is good for?  I also
thought someone said to be careful with it and very gradually introduce it
to the cats food?  Or am I making that up?  

 

Insight from people currently using it is greatly appreciated!

 

Thanks,

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OT: To Beckie, Air Conditioner

2007-08-03 Thread Melissa Lind
Hi Beckie,

 

I forgot to mention about the air-ours was broken for 3 weeks during some of
the hottest weather before we could finally get a guy to come fix it!
Luckily we had a basement, so the kitties could go down there if they felt
too hot. Mostly they would just lie around the house. They played a lot less
than usual-they seemed pretty exhausted from the heat. I know we filled
their water dishes much more than before. 

 

So, I guess I would say, it was pretty uncomfortable for them. Most of them
are healthy, so it was easier for them, but for a sick cat, I think the heat
would be much worse. If you have ceiling fans or other fans going for some
circulation, I think it would be better for the cats-or a basement too. We
moved their food dishes down there to encourage them to spend more time in
the cool basement.

 

Once our air was fixed, I noticed that our kitties were much happier and
more playful. I would say you don't have to have a freezing cold house, but
maybe running the air once in a while to remove the humidity would be good
and keeping the air circulating is smart too. 

 

We don't love the heat, but we don't mind it a little warm either, so I know
what you are feeling. We like to use the air as little as possible, not
because we're cheap, but because we like the sounds of the outdoors, the
birds, the breeze, etc. I always feel cooped up when we have to shut the
windows. Someday we'd like to finish the basement which would be a nice
summer retreat with naturally cooled air. I think you said you live in
Iowa-I'm from Nebraska, and if our climates are similar, it's the humidity
that becomes unbearable more than the heat! :-) 

 

Melissa Lind

 



RE: OT: To Beckie, Air Conditioner

2007-08-03 Thread Melissa Lind
Hi Glenda,

Yes, it's been so nice! We've had the air off for a day and a half! I love
it! The babies can sit in the windows and smell the outside and hear the
birdies--it's wonderful! I'm in Northeast NE (Osmond)--quite far from you!
We're about 45 min. from SD and 1 hour from Iowa. I hope you have a
wonderful weekend, neighbor :)

Melissa

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of glenda Goodman
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:23 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: To Beckie, Air Conditioner

Hi Melissa, I just want to say hello to you since we
are neighbors and dealing with the same climates,
even...It has been wonderful these last couple days
here in the western panhandle of Nebraska...hope your
area has been cooler too. 
It is true the kitties do get wiped out from the
heat...Now that I am dealing with my FeLV+ kitty I am
constantly paranoid when I notice one of my other guys
sleeping more than usual or not as active...These
cooler days do put more pep in the kitties. I
appreciate your take on this...Have a great day! 
Glenda
--- Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Beckie,
 
  
 
 I forgot to mention about the air-ours was broken
 for 3 weeks during some of
 the hottest weather before we could finally get a
 guy to come fix it!
 Luckily we had a basement, so the kitties could go
 down there if they felt
 too hot. Mostly they would just lie around the
 house. They played a lot less
 than usual-they seemed pretty exhausted from the
 heat. I know we filled
 their water dishes much more than before. 
 
  
 
 So, I guess I would say, it was pretty uncomfortable
 for them. Most of them
 are healthy, so it was easier for them, but for a
 sick cat, I think the heat
 would be much worse. If you have ceiling fans or
 other fans going for some
 circulation, I think it would be better for the
 cats-or a basement too. We
 moved their food dishes down there to encourage them
 to spend more time in
 the cool basement.
 
  
 
 Once our air was fixed, I noticed that our kitties
 were much happier and
 more playful. I would say you don't have to have a
 freezing cold house, but
 maybe running the air once in a while to remove the
 humidity would be good
 and keeping the air circulating is smart too. 
 
  
 
 We don't love the heat, but we don't mind it a
 little warm either, so I know
 what you are feeling. We like to use the air as
 little as possible, not
 because we're cheap, but because we like the sounds
 of the outdoors, the
 birds, the breeze, etc. I always feel cooped up when
 we have to shut the
 windows. Someday we'd like to finish the basement
 which would be a nice
 summer retreat with naturally cooled air. I think
 you said you live in
 Iowa-I'm from Nebraska, and if our climates are
 similar, it's the humidity
 that becomes unbearable more than the heat! :-) 
 
  
 
 Melissa Lind
 
  
 
 



 


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RE: Miles

2007-08-03 Thread Melissa Lind
Good Luck Miles! I know a lot of the people here use something called Rescue
Remedy to calm down their cats (and themselves). I've been meaning to get it
for the next car ride for a few of my scaredy cats, but I don't know
anything about it. Hope everything is okay with Miles!

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beckie McRae
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 11:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Miles

 

Well, Miles if off to the vet today at 3:15.  Wish him luck.  He's NOT going
to be happy.

 

Beckie 

 



RE: Regarding Rescue Remedy/Pet Calm

2007-08-03 Thread Melissa Lind
Wow! Very informative! I'm so glad I've found out about this! I'll check out
our Walgreens. Since I'm pg, I'll steer clear of it, but I might have to
drug my husband when he gets to worrying about work, his chain saw,
fishing, you know, important stuff like that! :-) I seldom have trouble
sleeping, but I know he does at times. This might really help him. 

 

Also, it might help us stay asleep all night by just giving it to the
kitties before we go to sleep or maybe when they first wake us up. They are
so nocturnal! About 4:00 a.m. the wrestling match/rodeo starts in our house.
It can be semi-crazy to all out nuts at times. I'm not sure who would need
it more-us or them! 

 

Thanks for the advice everyone!

 

Caroline: You've really gone through some rough times lately! I hope things
take a turn for the better (positive thoughts!). I know how difficult sleep
can be (especially with racing thoughts) during trying times. My doctor had
me taking children's benedryl (sp?) years ago since it was non-addictive. I
too was very against sleeping pill prescriptions. I'll take note of the
other things you've mentioned for future reference. Thanks!

 

Melissa

 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 12:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Regarding Rescue Remedy/Pet Calm

 

http://www.rescueremedy.com/

the above website is for general information about Rescue Remedy.  I am a
huge fan, I have used it myself everyday since Monkee died.  If you go to a
Holistic Vet, they usually mix their own Flower Essences- which have a lot
of the same things in it as Rescue Remedy, so if you are using Vet-provided
Flower Essences, you don't need Rescue Remedy (unless you want it for
yourself).  Monkee was on Flower Essences in the weeks before he died.  The
last night of his life, his Holistic Vet has us giving him the Flower
Essences every hour to keep him calm and try to prevent any respiratory
distress.  Although he left this world that night, I really think it helped
him and one of the last things I did was give him a few drops before he
passed.  I have said this before, but immediately after Monkee passed in my
arms, by mom gave me Rescue Remedy and I truly believed it prevented me from
lapsing into utter hysteria (which would have been bad for Monkee as he was
passing on).  

Once only sold at specialty, organic food stores (Whole Foods, Wild Oats,
etc.), my Walgreens just started selling Bach's Rescue Remedy!  Look for it
in the headache medicine aisle.  Bach is also making Nighttime Rescue
Remedy (also available at Walgreens)- to sooth your racing mind and I use
this every night before bed.  I never have trouble getting to sleep!   

http://www.bachflower.com/Pets.htm

this website is the Bach's info regarding pets.

http://www.petco.com/product/7743/Richard-s-Organics-Pet-Calm.aspx

And this website is for Dr. Richard's Organics- Pet Calm.  This is pretty
much the same as Rescue Remedy and it's organic too.  I think it's cheaper
too.  I bought this because my Pet Supply Store doesn't carry Bach's Rescue
Remedy, but it does carry this Brand.  I've been using the dropper to put a
few drops in the waters I keep outside for outdoor colony cats on my street.
I am trying to keep them from fighting with each other over food and it's
totally working!  I also put a few drops in their wet food when I feed them
that.  And the cat I am currently fostering- since she's a high-strung 10
month old- I also put Pet Calm in her waters and wet food.  

I hope this information is helpful!

-Caroline 


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From: Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Miles
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 11:43:06 -0500

Good Luck Miles! I know a lot of the people here use something called Rescue
Remedy to calm down their cats (and themselves). I've been meaning to get it
for the next car ride for a few of my scaredy cats, but I don't know
anything about it. Hope everything is okay with Miles!

 

Melissa

 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beckie McRae
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 11:33 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Miles

 

Well, Miles if off to the vet today at 3:15.  Wish him luck.  He's NOT going
to be happy.

 

Beckie 

 

 




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RE: To Beckie, Air Conditioner

2007-08-03 Thread Melissa Lind
What a great idea! Thanks Susan! 

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 3:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: To Beckie, Air Conditioner

 

My cats like it when I put ice cubes in their water bowls.

 

I also put ice cubes in their Drinkwell reserve tank, water stays cold for
hours that way...

 

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent

 

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Melissa Lind mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:06 AM

Subject: OT: To Beckie, Air Conditioner

 

Hi Beckie,

 

I forgot to mention about the air-ours was broken for 3 weeks during some of
the hottest weather before we could finally get a guy to come fix it!
Luckily we had a basement, so the kitties could go down there if they felt
too hot. Mostly they would just lie around the house. They played a lot less
than usual-they seemed pretty exhausted from the heat. I know we filled
their water dishes much more than before. 

 

So, I guess I would say, it was pretty uncomfortable for them. Most of them
are healthy, so it was easier for them, but for a sick cat, I think the heat
would be much worse. If you have ceiling fans or other fans going for some
circulation, I think it would be better for the cats-or a basement too. We
moved their food dishes down there to encourage them to spend more time in
the cool basement.

 

Once our air was fixed, I noticed that our kitties were much happier and
more playful. I would say you don't have to have a freezing cold house, but
maybe running the air once in a while to remove the humidity would be good
and keeping the air circulating is smart too. 

 

We don't love the heat, but we don't mind it a little warm either, so I know
what you are feeling. We like to use the air as little as possible, not
because we're cheap, but because we like the sounds of the outdoors, the
birds, the breeze, etc. I always feel cooped up when we have to shut the
windows. Someday we'd like to finish the basement which would be a nice
summer retreat with naturally cooled air. I think you said you live in
Iowa-I'm from Nebraska, and if our climates are similar, it's the humidity
that becomes unbearable more than the heat! :-) 

 

Melissa Lind

 



RE: My little Moe man.

2007-08-02 Thread Melissa Lind
Beckie,

 

I'm glad you've discovered the culprit for the kitchen messes! I completely
agree that he needs to go to the vet to rule out a UTI. His actions remind
me in many ways of our same problems earlier. The howling can be from pain
(it constantly feels like he has to pee from the burning) or it could be
from anxiety at not getting enough attention. Or it could be both. In our
case, it was both anxiety and pee problems. I think Bandit's difficulties in
peeing only added to his stress levels/anxiety and compounded the issues he
was already stressed about.

 

I hope you find lots of useful information for your kitties, especially the
FeLV+ ones, on this site! Good luck!

 

Melissa

 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Beckie McRae
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 11:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: My little Moe man.

 

Hi everyone.

 

Thanks for the responses.  I had them do blood work on him, and its fine,
he's eating like a cow, and drinking like a camel.

Something that I discovered today is that it's NOT him going to the bathroom
in the kitchen; it's our OTHER FLV+ cat, Miles.  Now Miles is about 4 years
old, seems perfectly healthy, eats and drinks, plays, etc.  I HAVE noticed
that last couple of weeks though he's been being REALLY affectionate, and I
haven't been able to spend as much time with him and Holly (our 5 year old
cat who does NOT have felv)  as I usually do because I've been so busy with
Moe.  Is it possible that Miles has started to use the kitchen as his own
personal bathroom because he's jealous of the attention that Moe is getting
and trying to get our attention?  I KNOW it's Miles, because he didn't hear
me get up this morning, and Moe was lying on my pillow next to my head (like
he normally does), and I got up went out to the kitchen, and he must not
have heard me, because I caught him red handed doing his business.  I made
loud noises, and stuff, but I don't know why he's doing this.  He has been
acting kind of weird.  Like if we're in the bathroom taking a shower or
using the toilet and the door is closed, he'll sit outside it and just HOWL.
Never did this until a few weeks ago.  I figured it was because he was
worried about Moe, but now not so sure.

 

Also, how much does heat effect felv?

We LOVE the heat, and try not to use the air conditioner, but it's going to
get pretty warm here in the next week or so, and I was just wondering if I
should turn the air on for the cats?

 

Thanks again everyone.  I'm so glad I found you all!

 

Beckie 



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