Re: [Felvtalk] Cat proof furniture

2012-11-26 Thread Pam Norman
Couldn't agree with you more. I tell people that my primary form of 
interior decoration is organic.

On 11/26/2012 11:19 AM, Kathryn Green wrote:

Hey! Just like my front door sign says:

If you get upset about cat and dog hair on my furniture please go 
back home and 'visit' me by phone. All my furniture has pet hair on 
it. That's why it's called FUR-niture!


Kat

Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com mailto:moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

Well, when I find that my cats don't match the furniture, I throw out 
the furniture.  That's it!
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
neighbors too!




*From:* dlg...@windstream.net mailto:dlg...@windstream.net
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*Sent:* Sunday, November 25, 2012 4:30 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Cat proof furniture

I have quarry tile floor except in bedrooms, they are wood. 
Furniture is covered in sheets of various colors which can be

taken off when company comes.  The color scheme in living room
varies from sheet washing day to sheet washing day.  I figure that
if people know me, they understand.  Others don't have to come to
my house if it upsets them.


 Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
mailto:felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 I've heard of this... People who want to get rid of a cat
because
 the fur doesn't match the furniture.. Geez.

 I have my furniture covered in multicolored velour upholstery,
and my rugs,
 are all oriental design.  The design really hides the fur, and
the soft
 velvet upholstery is not what cats like to claw. It works, and I
have
 a bunch of cats of all sizes, shapes and colors including three
long haired
 cats who really leave a lot of fur around!  There are ways to
live with
 multiple cats and still have a nice home, but too many people
use fur as
 an excuse to dump their pets.

 Lorrie


  On 11-02, Lee Evans wrote:
 This actually happened to me when I was answering our
hotline for VOICE
 For Animals.  A woman called asking if we could take an
orange cat.  I
 asked her why. What she said was that she had purchased a
white sofa
 and the cat was getting orange fur all over it.  She said
she would be
 willing to take a white cat in exchange. She had had the
orange cat
 for 2 years, had come into some money recently and was
buying new
 living room furniture.  I finally talked her out of dumping
her cat on
 us by telling her about the sticky roller product for
removing lint and
 hair from things.  I also told her that she should purchase a
 multicolored  sofa cover to keep the sofa covered for
general use and
 whisk off the cover when company arrives. She was delighted
with the
 ideas.  I should write a book on how to color coordinate
your rooms
 with your cats and dogs and how to color coordinate your
daily work
 outfits with a shedding pet.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home

2012-11-01 Thread Pam Norman
It's a breed. Looks almost black but in the light can see that fur is 
dark dark brown.  Small cat with wonderful personality.  Probably has 
some Burmese.



On 11/1/2012 7:17 PM, Kathryn Green wrote:

Bombay kitty?  What does that mean?

K

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Re: [Felvtalk] Retesting

2011-07-31 Thread Pam Norman

Oh m'god, I hope so!

On 7/31/2011 10:51 AM, Natalie wrote:

My assumption would be that the first ELISA was a false positive.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Norman
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 10:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Retesting

Miss Nora, the FeLeuk kitty we got adopted here in Spring Green, is due
for retesting.  In late May she tested positive on the Elisa  then in
the first week of June, she tested negative on the IFA.  It's my
understanding that she should be re-tested 45 - 60 days after later.
Would that be the Elisa or the IFA or both?

Pam
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Re: [Felvtalk] Retesting

2011-07-31 Thread Pam Norman

She's about 6 months now.

On 7/31/2011 7:34 AM, Lynda Wilson wrote:
That time-line is about right. Some vets will say 90 days. If the 
Elisa is positive again, then do another IFA. If you get a negative 
again on the IFA, then you will have to repeat again. Of course if the 
ELISA is negative, there is no need to to another IFA (which means she 
cleared the virus).  How old is Miss Nora?


Good luck!!
L

- Original Message - From: Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 9:46 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Retesting


Miss Nora, the FeLeuk kitty we got adopted here in Spring Green, is 
due for retesting.  In late May she tested positive on the Elisa  
then in the first week of June, she tested negative on the IFA.  It's 
my understanding that she should be re-tested 45 - 60 days after 
later. Would that be the Elisa or the IFA or both?


Pam
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[Felvtalk] Retesting

2011-07-30 Thread Pam Norman
Miss Nora, the FeLeuk kitty we got adopted here in Spring Green, is due 
for retesting.  In late May she tested positive on the Elisa  then in 
the first week of June, she tested negative on the IFA.  It's my 
understanding that she should be re-tested 45 - 60 days after later. 
Would that be the Elisa or the IFA or both?


Pam
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bitty

2011-06-26 Thread Pam Norman

Actually, my error, it's MaxCAL!

I have found both A/D  MaxCal to be feedable straight from the can via 
finger feeding or spoon feeding.


On 6/26/2011 7:31 AM, Sharyl wrote:

MaxCat would need to be blenderized with a liquid to be syringe-able.   You may 
also need to strain it 1st but the added calories is worth the effort.  For 
more info you could join the Yahoo Assist Feeding group.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/
  
Sharyl
  


From: Lynda Wilsonlonghornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bitty

Yes, but is it a soft canned food (like pudding, cat's usually love it) that 
she could syringe into his mouth if he won't eat?
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Re: [Felvtalk] VooDoo's Home

2011-06-25 Thread Pam Norman

Totally divine wonderful!!

On 6/25/2011 7:52 AM, Melinda Kerr wrote:

OK, so who says miracles and divine intervention do not exist?  After a couple 
of hours in the very hot sun, I found evidence that maybe VooDoo was alive and 
close by.  Then, I discovered that the police now have a NO trapping policy.  I 
went to my Japanese vet to see if he could find a trap.  He was going to call 
the city on Monday.  So, back to being a little stressed, feeling as though my 
best hope was gone.

A couple of hours later, a very short, but really hard rain came and I was once 
again concerned because I thought he was hiding in a drain pipe.  As soon as 
the rain ended, I went to the back door and called out asking him to come home. 
 What do you know, he answered me with his crazy, whiny cry.  After a few 
minutes of trying to coax him into the house, I decided that he was either 
trapped or hurt.  I called to him and he continued to call back.  Once I 
located him hiding under a tree, I belly crawled on the wet ground to where he 
was.  I reached under, in the dark, expecting the worst.  However, he let me 
grab him and pull him out.

So, 48 hours after going missing, my baby is home safe and sound.  We will be 
watching closely for sniffles and signs of fever!

Thank you all for your advice and positive vibes.  I truly believe that they 
worked.

Melinda, Fuji and VooDoo

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bitty

2011-06-25 Thread Pam Norman

Eukanaba MaxCat would be even better. It has way more calories than A/D.

On 6/25/2011 10:02 PM, Lynda Wilson wrote:
You're doing a great job! Hang in there!! Get some Science Diet A/D 
for him on Monday, it will have all the fat and taurine he needs.


Thoughts and prayers to you both!
Lynda
- Original Message - From: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bitty



Sara,

Thanks, he is one of my original cats That was exposed ot FeLV. He 
tested
neg got vacinated once after. Last exposure was in 2008 when Junior 
passed
away. I do not think he is positive, but there is that chance. He 
also has
one eye dilated more than the other.  He does seem aware. I got 
abourt half

the baby food in him. I may try more before bedtime.

He wet himself in the carrier and will not be able to use a litterbox 
right
now. I hope he will stay on the towels he climbed out of a box, so I 
gave up
that on idea. The other cats have left him alone. He was the alpha 
kitty and

like to chnce them.

SAlly




On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Sara Kasteleyn
skastel...@cicresearch.comwrote:



Keeping you in my prayers, Sally.  Sara

--Original Mail--
From: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 18:05:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bitty

they ruled that out. He is home but not doing well. They think he had a
mini
stroke.

Sally

On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 I was just thinking, could Bitty possibly have a blood clot where the
veins
 go into each hind leg? Not being able to move, crying sounds very 
much

 what
 I have experienced several times. All except once, was the cat
euthanized.
 Why? Because I took the cats to an emergency clinic (evenings,  
weekends).
 The last cat that had a blood clot, was taken to our vet who 
treated  the
 clot to dissolve - the cat, Corgi, has a limp in one of the hind 
legs  as

a
 result. Some cats are in pain from such a blood clot, others are not.
 Corgi
 was a feral cat - I found him one morning not being able to move, 
 trying

to
 get away with his front legs. I cornered him, threw a towel over 
him  and
 the rest is history. Because I head to treat him, he is the 
sweetest  cat,
 all the cats absolutely love him, snuggle with him, almost 
consider him

 their parent.he washes them all and they reciprocate.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sara  
Kasteleyn

 Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 9:58 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Bitty


 SallyI am so sorry to hear about Bitty. My prayers are with you .
 Sara

 --Original Mail--
 From: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 01:16:03 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] VooDoo is missing

 Melinda I will be praying for VooDoo's return.

 My ittle Bitty is at the Vet now because I found him unable to 
move and

 crying. He may not make it through the night. Possble stroke,
nuerological
 issue they did lots of tests. He is not in pain but his mind is 
not  here

 either. Please pray for my lover boy he is 12.

 Thanks all

 On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 5:53 AM, Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com wrote:

  Hello all,
 
  It is with a very heavy heart that I am asking for some positive 
  energy

  from this group! My son's friend left a door open last night and my
 little
  VooDoo escaped. He is terrified of being outdoors and all 
attempts to
  capture him only scared him more! We live on a military base and 
  there

 are
  no wild animals to worry about and the speed limit on base is  
 extremely
  slow. My greatest concern is that around 2:00am, he tried to 
come   home

 and
  we absolutely scared him to death trying to get him to bring him
inside.
  (He hasn't been out since he came to us as a five week old 
kitten)   I'm

  worried that he might be afraid to come home.
 
 
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[Felvtalk] Significance of IFA negative test after Elisa postive

2011-06-23 Thread Pam Norman
I have been wondering where everyone has been for the past week or more. 
Got me really worried as I've come to depend on you all.


Anyway as some of you may know, Sabirna, now re-named Eleanor to Miss 
Nora, is in her new permanent home  everyone is in l ove with her  she 
is doing well.   She is somewhere under a year old, spayed recently  in 
good health. A lilac point Siamese. Beautiful wonderful cuddly happy girl.


She was positive on the Elisa snap test about a month ago  then shortly 
thereafter negative on the IFA.  Just what does this mean?  I am getting 
all kinds of conflicting reports. Some on the way positive side say that 
she is ok from now on, which I don't put too much faith in. Others, say, 
further testing in 6-8 weeks is needed, specifically the Elisa test but 
done in a lab  another IFA.  I am inclined to think that that is what 
will indicate where she is at.


Please do give me some input.  I don't know where else I can go to get 
up to date information on this disease.


Pam in Wisconsin


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Re: [Felvtalk] resend of NY kitty in need

2011-06-23 Thread Pam Norman
Can she not keep  him separate from the others?  The virus is so 
short-lived once shed from the body.  Others are keeping FelineLeuk 
kitties in their homes but in rooms apart from the other populations.


Where is she?

Pam

On 6/23/2011 3:58 PM, TANYA NOE wrote:

Please see the attached link to Eli, he was rescued from the NYC kill shelter 
but has tested positive for FeLV. The rescue person who saved his life 
desperately wanted to keep him for herself as she has fallen hard for him but 
since he is pos and she has so many rescue kittens in and out of her home she 
can't keep him.

She is looking for someone who would be willing to give this wonderfully sweet 
little guy a forever home.

Here is her little info write up in him: Elijahlove at first sight ♥ You would 
never know with the way this 2 year old boy recovered from a horrible URI that he is FeLV 
positive (confirmed via SNAP  IFA). He is now healthy, neutered, and had 2 bad teeth 
removed. Elijah is an old soul, and when he looks at you, he reaches in and touches your 
heart. He is affectionate, gentle, and wants to know love more than anything. He has 
beautiful aquamarine eyes, and seems to be a Turkish angora mix with the chocolate coloring 
of a Havana Brown. Elijah was rescued from NYCACC and is now in search of the purrrfect 
forever home. Please contact me at asbkitty...@gmail.com.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1873904920391set=a.1433439389028.2056334.1024201982type=1theater

Please share this with anyone you know that may want to love this angel.

Thank you,
Tanya



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Re: [Felvtalk] Significance of IFA negative test after Elisa postive

2011-06-23 Thread Pam Norman
Ok, thank you Lynda, I surely appreciate this!   She is so lucky to that 
found this wonderful family. They just adore her.


On 6/23/2011 9:31 PM, Lynda Wilson wrote:

Pam,

She should be tested again on the ELISA in 8 or even 12 weeks to give 
her time to clear the virus if the test was a true positive.  Don't do 
another IFA unless the ELISA is positive again.  Waiting 8-12 weeks to 
do another ELISA test will give her time to clear the virus.


I hope this helps. It sure is good news that the IFA is negative.  
Also, so happy Eleanor is doing so well in her new home :0)


Lynda
- Original Message - From: Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net
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Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 9:04 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Significance of IFA negative test after Elisa postive


I have been wondering where everyone has been for the past week or 
more. Got me really worried as I've come to depend on you all.


Anyway as some of you may know, Sabirna, now re-named Eleanor to Miss 
Nora, is in her new permanent home  everyone is in l ove with her  
she is doing well.   She is somewhere under a year old, spayed 
recently  in good health. A lilac point Siamese. Beautiful wonderful 
cuddly happy girl.


She was positive on the Elisa snap test about a month ago  then 
shortly thereafter negative on the IFA.  Just what does this mean?  I 
am getting all kinds of conflicting reports. Some on the way positive 
side say that she is ok from now on, which I don't put too much faith 
in. Others, say, further testing in 6-8 weeks is needed, specifically 
the Elisa test but done in a lab  another IFA.  I am inclined to 
think that that is what will indicate where she is at.


Please do give me some input.  I don't know where else I can go to 
get up to date information on this disease.


Pam in Wisconsin


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Re: [Felvtalk] Elisa/IFA clarification

2011-06-15 Thread Pam Norman
This doesn't seem to deal at all with the significance of a negative IFA 
test after a positive Elisa. It only refers to a positive IFA test.


On 6/15/2011 3:32 PM, Natalie wrote:

Interesting flow chart! A good one to print and keep!
I posted this recently; it also helps to understand the difference between 
ELISA and IFA.\
http://www.natural-cat-health-remedies.com/feline-leukemia-test.html
Natalie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 3:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Elisa/IFA clarification

There has been a lot of posts on this subject.  This is the link to a flow 
chart showing what to do when you get a test result.
http://www.felineleukemia.org/felvhlth.html
It also states when to retest and what test to do.  I've found it very helpful.

Sharyl

From: Barb Moermondmr_mok...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 11:55 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Elisa/IFA clarification

I asked my vets for clarification on the significance of these two tests and
here is their response.

Here is the information from the Cornell University website about Feline
Leukemia stages and testing.  If you would like more information, you can go to
their link athttp://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/brochures/felv.html


I understand there are two stages of FeLV infection. What are they?
FeLV is present in the blood (a condition called viremia) during two different
stages of infection:
· Primary viremia, an early stage of virus infection. During this stage
some cats are able to mount an effective immune response, eliminate the virus
from the bloodstream, and halt progression to the secondary viremia stage.
· Secondary viremia, a later stage characterized by persistent infection
of the bone marrow and other tissue. If FeLV infection progresses to this stage
it has passed a point of no return: the overwhelming majority of cats with
secondary viremia will be infected for the remainder of their lives.
How is infection diagnosed?
Two types of FeLV blood tests are in common use. Both detect a protein component
of the virus as it circulates in the bloodstream.
· ELISA (enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay) and similar tests can be
performed in your veterinarian's office. ELISA-type tests detect both primary
and secondary stages of viremia.
· IFA (indirect immunofluorescent antibody assay) tests must be sent out
to a diagnostic laboratory. IFA tests detect secondary viremia only, so the
majority of positive-testing cats remain infected for life.
Each testing method has strengths and weaknesses. Your veterinarian will likely
suggest an ELISA-type test first, but in some cases, both tests must be
performed—and perhaps repeated—to clarify a cat's true infection
status. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito


My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his
life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile.

- Anonymous
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[Felvtalk] Update on Sabrina/Eleanor

2011-06-14 Thread Pam Norman

Resending.

***

We picked her up on Sunday at the sanctuary  she is now in her new home!

Meanwhile this past week, the results of the IFA test came back -
NEGATIVE! YAY!  Her Elisa snap test about a bit ago was positive. As I
understand it, the next test in about 30-60 days should be an Elisa lab
test  then another IFA. Is this correct?

While we were at the sanctuary, the family also fell in love with
another Siamese, Coco,  in the FeLeuk room. That kitty has tested
positive on the snap test but has  never had an IFA.  The sanctuary
owner wanted them to have her too but I said NO.  We don't know her
status well enough.  Sending her home with Eleanor would be entirely too
risky for Eleanor at this point.  I told her to get Coco IFA tested at
least.

So I have two questions:

1.  At this point Eleanor has tested positive on the Elisa snap test
negative shortly thereafter on the IFA test. Just what does this mean
for her  what should be next?

2. Am I right in refusing to let Coco come with Eleanor?   Is there any
possibility that she could at some point, IF she tested negative on the IFA?

Please do tell me what to do at this point. My first concern is for Eleanor.

Incidentally Coco has NOT been in the FeLeuk room up there very much
since the other cats don't like her, so she has been pretty much
isolated from them

Pam
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Re: [Felvtalk] Virbagen interferon low doses - Need advise

2011-06-14 Thread Pam Norman
I had a wonderful cat years ago who was not FeLeuk+, but died from 
lymphocytic leukemia.


On 6/14/2011 8:05 AM, Natalie wrote:

It does, but there's also leukemia (more like the human leukemia).  Our cat
was NOT FeLV+, but had leukemia.

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I thought FeLV stood for Feline Leukemia Virus
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Leukemia or FeLV?
I had a cat that had leukemia (not FeLV) and she died very quickly - we
had
no idea when it started...she began feeling tired, then got a low-grade
fever

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Xana, my baby is now 2,5 yo. I suspect she developped leukemia, although
the
vet is not 100% sure.

She is now with antibiotics. She had fever, convulsions, ataxia... Blood
work shows anaemia, hematocrit 25%. white cells were highly increased.
Toxoplasma vas positive to igg( 1/10), (igm negative,  1/10).

About Felv the vet suggest to put her under omega interferon orally, at
low
dose... dayly for at least 3 months.

I am asking about side effects... can you give us some advise??

--

Esther
= ^..^ =
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Graciahttp://globaldefensagats.blogspot.com/search/label/1.3.Adoptar%20en%2
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vets for Felv cats

2011-06-13 Thread Pam Norman
I'm in Spring Green!   It is good to know that the CCC can work with 
FeLeuk kitties, altho I have a good vet nearby in Dodgeville.  Do they 
use any holistic treatments?


On 6/11/2011 9:22 PM, Barb Moermond wrote:

I'm in Madison and use Cat Care Clinic.  Both of the vets there are members of
AAFP [www.catvets.com] and are both good with my babies.  I've been going there
since Ninja was diagnosed FeLV+ and suffering from seizures etc.  So, I've been
going to them since 1998 and still love them.  If you look at catvets.com, you
will be able to find other vet members by ZIP code.  There are other members at
other clinics here in the area, but I like the fact that CCC is cats only and
they know my babies.
  Barb+Smoky the House Puma+Miss Lilly Bird+Angel BanditNo


My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living his
life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile.

- Anonymous





From: Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net
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Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 9:57:02 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Vets for Felv cats

Do you all have your FeLeuk kitties seen by your regular vets?  I talked to a
wonderful consulting vet I know re Miss Eleanor (formerly Sabrina)  his first
recommendation was Internal Medicine at U of WI, but then said that this would
probably not be necessary as long as she is asymptomatic.  That regular blood
work, every 6 months, would be the main requirement.  Certainly hope that is the
case as just a couple of visits to UW would be well over $1000!

I would like to combine the services  of a good regular vet, which I think I
have, altho he freely admits that is practice does not see a lot of FeLeuk
kitties - which is probably pretty much the case with all non-specializing vets,
I would think, with those of a holistic vet as well. Do any of you do that?

Are any of you in Wisconsin?

Pam

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[Felvtalk] Update Sabrina/Eleanor

2011-06-12 Thread Pam Norman

We picked her up today at the sanctuary  she is now in her new home!

Meanwhile this past week, the results of the IFA test came back - 
NEGATIVE!   Her Elisa snap test about a bit ago was positive. As I 
understand it, the next test in about 30-60 days should be an Elisa lab 
test  then another IFA. Is this correct?


While we were at the sanctuary, the family also fell in love with 
another Siamese, Coco,  in the FeLeuk room. That kitty has tested 
positive on the snap test but has  never had an IFA.  The sanctuary 
owner wanted them to have her too but I said NO.  We don't know her 
status well enough.  Sending her home with Eleanor would be entirely too 
risky for Eleanor at this point.  I told her to get Coco IFA tested at 
least.


So I have two questions:

1.  At this point Eleanor has tested positive on the Elisa snap test  
negative shortly thereafter on the IFA test. Just what does this mean 
for her  what should be next?


2. Am I right in refusing to let Coco come with Eleanor?   Is there any 
possibility that she could at some point  if so, what would it take?


Please do tell me what to do at this point. My first concern is for Eleanor.

Incidentally Coco has NOT been in the FeLeuk room up there very much 
since the other cats don't like her, so she has been pretty much 
isolated from them


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[Felvtalk] Beth/ Vets for Felv cats

2011-06-11 Thread Pam Norman

I need to get some more info on LCTI.  Can you help?

On 6/10/2011 11:04 PM, Sara Kasteleyn wrote:

We have a wonderful holistic-friendly vet who makes house calls.  She works in 
conjunction with our brick and mortar vet for blood work, tests, etc.  when 
necessary.  Now that we have lost our two FeLV+ angels, she takes care of our new babies. 
 The house call vet was the one that got us hooked up with LTCI.  I'm certain Taj and 
Rani wouldn't have lasted as long as they did without the LTCI.  Both eventually 
succumbed to lymphomas of different types.  Brother and sister.  We will always miss them.

I don't think it's necessary to have a specialized vet...just a vet who is 
special and willing to listen.

Sara

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Subject: [Felvtalk] Vets for Felv cats

Do you all have your FeLeuk kitties seen by your regular vets? I talked
to a wonderful consulting vet I know re Miss Eleanor (formerly Sabrina)
  his first recommendation was Internal Medicine at U of WI, but then
said that this would probably not be necessary as long as she is
asymptomatic. That regular blood work, every 6 months, would be the
main requirement. Certainly hope that is the case as just a couple of
visits to UW would be well over $1000!

I would like to combine the services of a good regular vet, which I
think I have, altho he freely admits that is practice does not see a lot
of FeLeuk kitties - which is probably pretty much the case with all
non-specializing vets, I would think, with those of a holistic vet as
well. Do any of you do that?

Are any of you in Wisconsin?

Pam

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[Felvtalk] Vets for Felv cats

2011-06-10 Thread Pam Norman
Do you all have your FeLeuk kitties seen by your regular vets?  I talked 
to a wonderful consulting vet I know re Miss Eleanor (formerly Sabrina) 
 his first recommendation was Internal Medicine at U of WI, but then 
said that this would probably not be necessary as long as she is 
asymptomatic.  That regular blood work, every 6 months, would be the 
main requirement.  Certainly hope that is the case as just a couple of 
visits to UW would be well over $1000!


I would like to combine the services  of a good regular vet, which I 
think I have, altho he freely admits that is practice does not see a lot 
of FeLeuk kitties - which is probably pretty much the case with all 
non-specializing vets, I would think, with those of a holistic vet as 
well. Do any of you do that?


Are any of you in Wisconsin?

Pam

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[Felvtalk] Food supplements for Miss Eleanor

2011-06-08 Thread Pam Norman
I need suggestions as to the right/best food for Miss Eleanor as well as 
supplements.  We are going to be picking her up on Sunday!


Pam
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[Felvtalk] Food supplements for Miss Eleanor

2011-06-08 Thread Pam Norman
I need suggestions as to the right/best food for Miss Ealeanor as well 
as supplements.  We are going to be picking her up on Sunday!


Pam
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[Felvtalk] Another Ching update

2011-06-08 Thread Pam Norman
She pulled her tube out this morning so I guess she's sending us a 
message.  Anyway it's gone!


Pam
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Re: [Felvtalk] Food supplements for Miss Eleanor

2011-06-08 Thread Pam Norman
How much CoQ10  vitamin C  re the latter in what form?  And how much 
apple cider vinegar in water?


On 6/8/2011 12:19 PM, Natalie wrote:

I assume that she is FeLV+?
I took my two FeLV+ boyz to the vet on Monday for IFA test - we are ecstatic
(so was the vet)that their gums and teeth are in excellent shape, especially
since they are FeLV+ and over 4 yrs old.  I believe it's because we give all
FIV/FeLV cats in this household nothing but regular food, CoQ10, some
Vitamin C, apple cider vinegar in water, and Nickers Biocoat!

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
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I supplement my cats' Blue Buffalo kibble with cooked pieces of meat
(chicken/pork/beef/turkey). That's all I do for mine right now.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net  wrote:


I need suggestions as to the right/best food for Miss Eleanor as well as
supplements.  We are going to be picking her up on Sunday!


Pam
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Re: [Felvtalk] Food supplements for Miss Eleanor

2011-06-08 Thread Pam Norman

Now THAT is worth trying!

On 6/8/2011 1:16 PM, Katy Doyle wrote:

If you drink Apple Cider Vinegar (1 tsp in your water) every day it helps
keep mosquitos off of you!

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Natalieat...@optonline.net  wrote:


I just wrote about CoQ10 dosage.
Apple cider vinegar, start with a drop or two in water, slowly build up to
more over time. AC Vinegar is a miracle food!  I hate plain water, so I
always put a dash of ACV into the bottle - great thirst quencher and great
for arthritis and so much more

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Norman
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 1:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Food  supplements for Miss Eleanor

How much CoQ10  vitamin C  re the latter in what form?  And how much
apple cider vinegar in water?

On 6/8/2011 12:19 PM, Natalie wrote:

I assume that she is FeLV+?
I took my two FeLV+ boyz to the vet on Monday for IFA test - we are

ecstatic

(so was the vet)that their gums and teeth are in excellent shape,

especially

since they are FeLV+ and over 4 yrs old.  I believe it's because we give

all

FIV/FeLV cats in this household nothing but regular food, CoQ10, some
Vitamin C, apple cider vinegar in water, and Nickers Biocoat!

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 11:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Food   supplements for Miss Eleanor

I supplement my cats' Blue Buffalo kibble with cooked pieces of meat
(chicken/pork/beef/turkey). That's all I do for mine right now.

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net

wrote:

I need suggestions as to the right/best food for Miss Eleanor as well as
supplements.  We are going to be picking her up on Sunday!


Pam
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Aggie to the CLS

2011-06-07 Thread Pam Norman

I am so sorry.

Pam

On 6/7/2011 4:18 PM, Andy Domek wrote:

Hi all,

I know I haven't posted in awhile, but I wanted to offer an update to those of 
you who followed our story with our little bundle of spunk, Aggie.
We helped Aggie cross over this morning, and it was one of the hardest
things I've had to do.  It was also the right thing to do.  Her anemia
caused her to gasp for air since yesterday evening, and she was starting
  to involuntarily shake, could no longer walk, make it to the litter
box, and could barely raise her head to watch the lizards running around
  our patio.  She was my little valiant fighter for 7 years, but
ultimately FELV took her from me.  We tried everything short of a
transfusion, and it just wasn't enough.
I firmly
believe that LTCI bought us about a year of good quality time.  Her
bloodwork was taking a VERY marked decline last June, and LTCI reversed it.
Unfortunately, FELV is a tough nut to crack and there was only so much
we could do.


It was very peaceful, she just went to sleep while we
sang her song to her , and told her what a blessing she has been in our
life.  If love could heal, she'd have been the healthiest cat ever.  But
  right now, she's not in any pain, no more seizures, no more force
feeding, no more shots, and only peace.



There is a void in my home, and my heart right now.  But I am so, so
thankful to have had her at all.  I didn't even like cats before I met
her, and now I'm a sucker for them!


Thank you for your advice, your collective knowledge, and more importantly, for 
the kindness you show to everyone who is dealing with this nasty disease.



Peace to all of you, and good luck on your journeys with your beloved 
fuzzbuckets.



Andy

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[Felvtalk] LCTI

2011-06-07 Thread Pam Norman

Could someone please tell me what LCTI is?

I am needing to learn as much as possible at maintaining a FeLeuk 
teenager at optimum health for absolutely as long as possible!  Miss 
Eleanor needs all the help I can get for her!


Pam
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Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI

2011-06-07 Thread Pam Norman

Thank you so much, Andy!

On 6/7/2011 4:58 PM, Andy Domek wrote:

Hi Pam,

LTCI is short for lymphocyte t-cell immune modulator.  It is supposed to 
increase the body's production of t-cells, the killer cells who fight viruses.  
It ain't cheap, but it worked for us when we needed it last summer and I 
believe it bought us some good quality time with Aggie.  We started it when her 
WBCs were in decline, and after a brief, expected dip--all levels went into the 
normal range.  I don't know if it will work for everyone, but I sure loved my 
last year with my Aggie cat that I believe LTCI gave to us.

More information is available on this site: http://tcyte.com/

Andy



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Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI

2011-06-07 Thread Pam Norman

Oh, sorry, where did you get it?

On 6/7/2011 4:58 PM, Andy Domek wrote:

Hi Pam,

LTCI is short for lymphocyte t-cell immune modulator.  It is supposed to 
increase the body's production of t-cells, the killer cells who fight viruses.  
It ain't cheap, but it worked for us when we needed it last summer and I 
believe it bought us some good quality time with Aggie.  We started it when her 
WBCs were in decline, and after a brief, expected dip--all levels went into the 
normal range.  I don't know if it will work for everyone, but I sure loved my 
last year with my Aggie cat that I believe LTCI gave to us.

More information is available on this site: http://tcyte.com/

Andy



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[Felvtalk] Sabrina updatet

2011-06-06 Thread Pam Norman
Sabrina in one lucky girl.  We had originally hoped  prayed we could 
find someone who would give her a temporary room for the period of time 
needed for testing to determine whether she could beat this thing. We 
sent out SO many emails  talked to SO many people.  Contacted all the 
networks we with.  But over the weekend, the golden goose flew over  
laid the proverbial egg on us. Not only does Sabrina get a room, she 
gets a home!


This is a young couple who live in Spring Green, WI, where Mew Haven  I 
am. The woman is the daughter of one of my good friends  a nicer, more 
warm family could never be asked for.  They had two Siamese cats that 
they lost last year so Shelley asked a lot of questions about Sabrina  
about the disease.  I told her everything I knew which i s what I posted 
here initially.  That Sabrina might not live long but on the other hand 
with good care  a stress free environment, she might beat it  live a 
long healthy life. Or she might just be a carrier  live many years.  I 
pointed out that there are no guarantees with any pets  that there are 
FeLeuk kitties that live longer than non-FeLeuk kitties.


Shelley's  Mark's girls are 13  16.  Both Shelley  Mark love cats  
so do the girls but it was the girls' decision because losing their 
Siamese last year had been very hard on them.  I was absolutely fine 
with that  told Shelley to tell the girls that it is possible that they 
might have to say goodbye sooner than they want but on the other hand 
this is a chance for both of them to play a huge role in the life of one 
little special needs cat.  And as it turns out, it's what they want to 
do!  They are both very excited.  And as Vicki, Shelley's mom told me, 
there could not possibly be a kitty who will be loved more than Sabrina 
will be.


But listen to THIS!  The girls wanted to know if it would be  ok if they 
changed her name to Eleanor.  For Eleanor Roosevelt who was such a 
strong woman!  Do these kids get it or not?!!  They do!I 
am so grateful.


Sabrina/Eleanor is being spayed this week  will have her IFA done. My 
friend who works MH with me  I will drive up  get Eleanor a week from 
today.


So far so beautifully good!

Pam
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sabrina updatet

2011-06-06 Thread Pam Norman

Was he FeLeuk?  I'm guessing not.

On 6/6/2011 6:15 PM, Lynda Wilson wrote:
I had a 30 pounder and he was close to 4 ft long, which I hate to 
admit, but he had an eating disorder. He ate bath tissue, facial 
tissue,  licked plastic bags. If you still did not feed him, he 
tossed his stomach bile. He would scratch at our brand new king 
mattress and keep us up at night if we did not feed him. We used the 
squirt bottle so much that he just started sitting there with his eyes 
slammed shut and just let us squirt him. We also tried feeding him the 
Purina OM diet (this was 10+ yrs ago) and he did not eat enough of it 
(I also had another cat at the time) and then he had liver problems. 
We put him back on his previous food. I used a diff vet then but he 
told me just let him be fat and happy, we did. He lived to be 16 1/2 
yrs. We still miss him!!! He's been gone for 5 yrs :(


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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sabrina updatet


Diet?  Easy - Eliot Spitty is not a big eater, and I will just 
restrict the

bowl of dry food that Mr. Tux loves to munch on in addition to their
allotted 1/2 can each.
I could hardly pick up his carrier - a lightweight soft one.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 5:41 PM
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Now, now.commenting on a cat's figure is considered very
rudejust ask Mr. Tux  :  Let me know how you get one cat to
diet when the other isn't.
On Jun 6, 2011, at 4:23 PM, Natalie wrote:


Geat news!
Speaking of IFA, I just came back from the vet and had my two boyz
(Eliot
Spitty and Mr. Tux) retested...I am keeping my fingers crossed. Both
are in
super health, I am especially happy that their gums and teeth are in
great
shape!  Mr. Tux is a bit overweight, but you'd never know just
looking at
him - he's pear-shaped - 15 lbs.  He has to go on a diet!

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
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That's absolutely wonderful news! What a great story and such a
wonderful
family with great teenagers.  I bet Eleanor will have a fabulous
life. I
hope she will be IFA negative. That would be a blessing. Thanks for
the
update and let us know the results of the test :)

I'm doing the happy dance for Eleanor!!!

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Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 3:11 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Sabrina updatet



Sabrina in one lucky girl.  We had originally hoped  prayed we
could find



someone who would give her a temporary room for the period of time
needed
for testing to determine whether she could beat this thing. We sent
out SO



many emails  talked to SO many people.  Contacted all the networks
we
with.  But over the weekend, the golden goose flew over  laid the
proverbial egg on us. Not only does Sabrina get a room, she gets a
home!

This is a young couple who live in Spring Green, WI, where Mew
Haven  I
am. The woman is the daughter of one of my good friends  a nicer,
more
warm family could never be asked for.  They had two Siamese cats
that they



lost last year so Shelley asked a lot of questions about Sabrina 
about
the disease.  I told her everything I knew which i s what I posted
here
initially.  That Sabrina might not live long but on the other hand
with
good care  a stress free environment, she might beat it  live a
long
healthy life. Or she might just be a carrier  live many years.  I
pointed



out that there are no guarantees with any pets  that there are
FeLeuk
kitties that live longer than non-FeLeuk kitties.

Shelley's  Mark's girls are 13  16.  Both Shelley  Mark love
cats  so
do the girls but it was the girls' decision because losing their
Siamese
last year had been very hard on them.  I was absolutely fine with
that 
told Shelley to tell the girls that it is possible that they might
have to



say goodbye sooner than they want but on the other hand this is a
chance
for both of them to play a huge role in the life of one little
special
needs cat.  And as it turns out, it's what they want to do!  They
are both



very excited.  And as Vicki, Shelley's mom told me, there could not
possibly be a kitty who will be loved more than Sabrina will be.

But listen to THIS!  The girls wanted to know if it would be  ok if
they
changed her name to Eleanor.  For Eleanor Roosevelt who was such a
strong
woman!  Do these kids get it or not?!!  They do!I
am so
grateful.

Sabrina/Eleanor is being spayed this week  will have her IFA done.
My
friend who works MH with me  I will drive up  get

Re: [Felvtalk] Sabrina updatet

2011-06-06 Thread Pam Norman

Just keep sending her good vibes.  I hope Eleanor R is tuned in.

On 6/6/2011 10:34 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

Wow, Pam, what a great story!
I wish little Eleanor a long and happy life with her new people.
What a great thing -- Thanks for making my ay!
~Bonnie

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Subject: [Felvtalk] Sabrina updatet

Sabrina in one lucky girl.  We had originally hoped  prayed we could find
someone who would give her a temporary room for the period of time needed
for testing to determine whether she could beat this thing. We sent out SO
many emails  talked to SO many people.  Contacted all the networks we with.
But over the weekend, the golden goose flew over  laid the proverbial egg
on us. Not only does Sabrina get a room, she gets a home!

This is a young couple who live in Spring Green, WI, where Mew Haven  I am.
The woman is the daughter of one of my good friends  a nicer, more warm
family could never be asked for.  They had two Siamese cats that they lost
last year so Shelley asked a lot of questions about Sabrina  about the
disease.  I told her everything I knew which i s what I posted here
initially.  That Sabrina might not live long but on the other hand with good
care  a stress free environment, she might beat it  live a long healthy
life. Or she might just be a carrier  live many years.  I pointed out that
there are no guarantees with any pets  that there are FeLeuk kitties that
live longer than non-FeLeuk kitties.

Shelley's  Mark's girls are 13  16.  Both Shelley  Mark love cats  so do
the girls but it was the girls' decision because losing their Siamese last
year had been very hard on them.  I was absolutely fine with that  told
Shelley to tell the girls that it is possible that they might have to say
goodbye sooner than they want but on the other hand this is a chance for
both of them to play a huge role in the life of one little special needs
cat.  And as it turns out, it's what they want to do!  They are both very
excited.  And as Vicki, Shelley's mom told me, there could not possibly be a
kitty who will be loved more than Sabrina will be.

But listen to THIS!  The girls wanted to know if it would be  ok if they
changed her name to Eleanor.  For Eleanor Roosevelt who was such a
strong woman!  Do these kids get it or not?!!  They do!I
am so grateful.

Sabrina/Eleanor is being spayed this week  will have her IFA done. My
friend who works MH with me  I will drive up  get Eleanor a week from
today.

So far so beautifully good!

Pam
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[Felvtalk] Sabrina - testing

2011-06-05 Thread Pam Norman
What is the sequence of testing for FeLeuk cats?   Sabrina had the snap 
test about a week ago.  I have seen differing opinions as to when the 
first IFA should be done.  I read somewhere 3 months after the snap 
test, but a vet with one of our networks says no, it can/should be done 
now.   We are planning on getting the IFA done tomorrow, hopefully. Is 
this correct?


And just what is the sequence  timing of all testing to see if the cat 
has thrown the virus?  I read that the period of time is about 6 months. 
Is this right?  And what tests should be done  when?


THANK you!

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[Felvtalk] Questiions

2011-06-04 Thread Pam Norman












Hi all,

We are trying to give little Sabriina a chance. She is an approximately 
5 month old lynx Siamese.  She was pulled from a dope house  was going 
to come to us as a foster until she was tested positive for FeLeuk.  At 
the moment she is at a sanctuary about 75 miles from here.  We are 
desperately trying to find someone who will take her for the 
approximately 6 months that I understand will give a good idea whether 
she can beat this virus or not. She is healthy  looks great.  She has 
had so far only the snap test  as I understand it, the IFA test should 
follow in about 3 weeks. Is this correct?


We have a daughter of a friend who MAY take her. But she has two small 
children  the family had to put down their 2 Siamese about a year ago  
they are not anxious to take in a kitty that they will have to euthanize 
soon.  I have not spoken to her yet but will be tomorrow  I am planning 
on telling her pretty much the following:


There are no guarantees as to how long a kitty will live who has tested 
positive for FeLeuk. It depends on a lot of factors - her general health 
 how she is cared for - diet, freedom from stress, etc.  Some kitties 
will not live long at all; others can live for years:  still others 
will fall somewhere in between.  No guarantees.  They have no other cats 
right now  I can tell them for sure that they will never have to 
euthanize her.  If she continues to test positive, they have the option 
of having  us take her to the sanctuary where she is not  she would 
join the other FeLeuk cats in that part of the sanctuary.  Or they can 
keep her  give her good  loving care for as long as she has, knowing 
that they played a huge part in making her life one filled with love.  
It would be hard on the kids but it would teach them something about 
compassion, about caring for an animal that they may lose, that it will 
hurt them to lose her, but that they know they have done a good  
beautiful thing.


Please tell me if there is more I can tell her. I have never had a 
FeLeuk kitty before  I am no expert on this.  So I am very much in need 
to information I can provide that is fair  objective so that they can 
make an informed  compassionate decision. I very much want them to take 
her but I do not want to mislead them either.


Please help me.

Pam

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[Felvtalk] Update on Poppy!

2011-04-18 Thread Pam Norman
Test is in from IDEXX.   Poppy is IFA negative!   BUT they did another 
Elisa (the first was done in-house)  she is still Elisa positive.


So tell me now what this means.  I have to go off to Madison right now 
but when I get back I will re-read all the links with this confirmed 
info in hand.  My woman who is willing to take Poppy into her FeLeuk 
positive sanctuary, says she will  test positive on the next IFA in a 
month  all this IFA means is that she does not have melanoma or 
something else.  My vet is kinda skeptical too.  But you all are the 
ones who are hands on every day (well, so is my woman with the 
sanctuary) but I need your input.


My intention now is to get her to the vet for worming. That wasn't done 
for some reason.  Will probably try to do that when I transition her out 
of the condo. Into a crate. Then she will have my spare room, with one 
hiding place. I have a twin bed in there but am going to take the frame  
out  put the mattresses on the floor cause I don't want her hiding 
under the bed in the dark all the time. Same with stuff up against the 
wall.  There is a low to the floor desk  I guess I will let her have 
that but will barricade everything else  leave several open crates with 
towels around also.


Meanwhile her appetite is very good.

I KNOW she wants to be with other cats, but I just can't put one of my 
negative kitties in there. Marie, at the sanctuary, would loan me a nice 
cat but it would be positive  that would eliminate any little chance 
Poppy might have.


Your thoughts, please please.

Pam
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[Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test

2011-04-18 Thread Pam Norman
Test is in from IDEXX.   Poppy is IFA negative!   BUT they did another 
Elisa (the first was done in-house)  she is still Elisa positive.


So tell me now what this means.  I have to go off to Madison right now 
but when I get back I will re-read all the links with this confirmed 
info in hand.  My woman who is willing to take Poppy into her FeLeuk 
positive sanctuary, says she will  test positive on the next IFA in a 
month  all this IFA means is that she does not have melanoma or 
something else.  My vet is kinda skeptical too.  But you all are the 
ones who are hands on every day (well, so is my woman with the 
sanctuary) but I need your input.


My intention now is to get her to the vet for worming. That wasn't done 
for some reason.  Will probably try to do that when I transition her out 
of the condo. Into a crate. Then she will have my spare room, with one 
hiding place. I have a twin bed in there but am going to take the frame  
out  put the mattresses on the floor cause I don't want her hiding 
under the bed in the dark all the time. Same with stuff up against the 
wall.  There is a low to the floor desk  I guess I will let her have 
that but will barricade everything else  leave several open crates with 
towels around also.


Meanwhile her appetite is very good.

I KNOW she wants to be with other cats, but I just can't put one of my 
negative kitties in there. Marie, at the sanctuary, would loan me a nice 
cat but it would be positive  that would eliminate any little chance 
Poppy might have.


Your thoughts, please please.

Pam
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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test

2011-04-18 Thread Pam Norman
She is not positive on the IFA, she is negative.  An initial positive on 
the Elisa  the another positive on the Elisa, but at the same time, a 
negative on the IFA.


On 4/18/2011 1:09 PM, TANYA NOE wrote:

Positive on IFA means it has reached the bone barrow and there is no 
clearing the virus. If she is positive on the snap test again (and it has been 
at least 6 weeks since she last tested positive) then she is FeLV positive, but 
you need to wait the full 6 weeks to give her body time to clear the vius. 
There is still a slight chance she could clear the virus from her body even if 
it has been 6 weeks but most likely she will not. I have spoken with the maker 
of the snap test because we were always told that there we a lot of false 
positives and at my clinic there were probably 2-3 of every 10 tests that were 
positive, but IDEXX says that the tests are 99.999% accurate.
Whether you mix or not is completely up to you. We mixed our girls 2 years 
ago. Since cats over the age of 1-2 years of age begin to develop a natural 
immunity and our negative cat is properly vaccinated the risk of the 
non-positive contracting FeLV is small. There is still a risk but it is very 
small.
I hope this helps and thanks for taking care of this kitty!!
Tanya


--- On Mon, 4/18/11, Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net  wrote:


From: Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net
Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 10:38 AM
Test is in from
IDEXX.   Poppy is IFA
negative!   BUT they did another Elisa (the
first was done in-house)  she is still Elisa positive.

So tell me now what this means.  I have to go off to
Madison right now but when I get back I will re-read all the
links with this confirmed info in hand.  My woman who
is willing to take Poppy into her FeLeuk positive sanctuary,
says she will  test positive on the next IFA in a month
  all this IFA means is that she does not have melanoma
or something else.  My vet is kinda skeptical
too.  But you all are the ones who are hands on every
day (well, so is my woman with the sanctuary) but I need
your input.

My intention now is to get her to the vet for worming. That
wasn't done for some reason.  Will probably try to do
that when I transition her out of the condo. Into a crate.
Then she will have my spare room, with one hiding place. I
have a twin bed in there but am going to take the
frame  out  put the mattresses on the floor cause
I don't want her hiding under the bed in the dark all the
time. Same with stuff up against the wall.  There is a
low to the floor desk  I guess I will let her have that
but will barricade everything else  leave several open
crates with towels around also.

Meanwhile her appetite is very good.

I KNOW she wants to be with other cats, but I just can't
put one of my negative kitties in there. Marie, at the
sanctuary, would loan me a nice cat but it would be positive
  that would eliminate any little chance Poppy might
have.

Your thoughts, please please.

Pam
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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test

2011-04-18 Thread Pam Norman

Good idea, but no, it was a blood test.  Both Elisas.

On 4/18/2011 4:21 PM, Christiane Biagi wrote:

Just a wild thought... Was the Elisa done by using blood on test strip or
saliva/tears???  Some vets may be still doing saliva/tears test  its
notorious for being wrong.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Norman
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 4:35 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test

She is not positive on the IFA, she is negative.  An initial positive on the
Elisa  the another positive on the Elisa, but at the same time, a negative
on the IFA.

On 4/18/2011 1:09 PM, TANYA NOE wrote:

 Positive on IFA means it has reached the bone barrow and there is no

clearing the virus. If she is positive on the snap test again (and it has
been at least 6 weeks since she last tested positive) then she is FeLV
positive, but you need to wait the full 6 weeks to give her body time to
clear the vius. There is still a slight chance she could clear the virus
from her body even if it has been 6 weeks but most likely she will not. I
have spoken with the maker of the snap test because we were always told that
there we a lot of false positives and at my clinic there were probably 2-3
of every 10 tests that were positive, but IDEXX says that the tests are
99.999% accurate.

 Whether you mix or not is completely up to you. We mixed our girls 2

years ago. Since cats over the age of 1-2 years of age begin to develop a
natural immunity and our negative cat is properly vaccinated the risk of the
non-positive contracting FeLV is small. There is still a risk but it is very
small.

 I hope this helps and thanks for taking care of this kitty!!
Tanya


--- On Mon, 4/18/11, Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net   wrote:


From: Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net
Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Poppy/IFA test
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, April 18, 2011, 10:38 AM Test is in from
IDEXX.   Poppy is IFA
negative!   BUT they did another Elisa (the
first was done in-house)   she is still Elisa positive.

So tell me now what this means.  I have to go off to Madison right
now but when I get back I will re-read all the links with this
confirmed info in hand.  My woman who is willing to take Poppy into
her FeLeuk positive sanctuary, says she will  test positive on the
next IFA in a month   all this IFA means is that she does not have
melanoma or something else.  My vet is kinda skeptical too.  But you
all are the ones who are hands on every day (well, so is my woman
with the sanctuary) but I need your input.

My intention now is to get her to the vet for worming. That wasn't
done for some reason.  Will probably try to do that when I transition
her out of the condo. Into a crate.
Then she will have my spare room, with one hiding place. I have a
twin bed in there but am going to take the frame  out   put the
mattresses on the floor cause I don't want her hiding under the bed
in the dark all the time. Same with stuff up against the wall.  There
is a low to the floor desk   I guess I will let her have that but
will barricade everything else   leave several open crates with
towels around also.

Meanwhile her appetite is very good.

I KNOW she wants to be with other cats, but I just can't put one of
my negative kitties in there. Marie, at the sanctuary, would loan me
a nice cat but it would be positive   that would eliminate any
little chance Poppy might have.

Your thoughts, please please.

Pam
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Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's kitty palace

2011-04-17 Thread Pam Norman

Jannes,

Is there access from the house or do you take her out there?

Pam

On 4/17/2011 11:15 AM, Jannes Taylor wrote:

Hello Everyone,
Please dlick on this link to see photos of Amber's new kitty palace.div
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Amber is the felv positive kitty we rescued 7 weeks ago. She was on death's door
just absolutely starving and did not look well. She had no energy to even play.
After 7 weeks of TLC and good food it is hard for me to believe she has any
issues at all. I have three healthy cats upstairs and I am  not willing to take
the chance of exposing them to the virus even though they have been vaccinated
against felv.
I am so glad I did not have Amber euthanized! The vet was leaning in that
direction. God bless you all for all that you do for our sweet feline friends.
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[Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives

2011-04-15 Thread Pam Norman
I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now  when the IFA 
test results come in. I've been reading  reading  from what I can 
gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive  negative cats 
even in the same house has been abandoned.  From what I have read, the 
general sense is that it's fine for positives  negatives to be in the 
same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging 
fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming.   
But I know also that some of you have both positives  negatives really 
living together, not separate. Right?


What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom  let me 
cats visit, so at  least she SEES other cats.  What is she hisses  
spits?  Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were 
nosing around her condo?  My feeling is that it would.


Also how effective is the vaccine these days?  I know that some years 
ago the figure was about 30% so I never  had any of my cats vaccinated.  
Has it been  improved?


Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess 
she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep 
her alone until then.  We  have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA 
positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person 
who runs it tells  me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she 
HAS leukemia. Period.  And would go in with the positive cats. But my 
understanding  is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of 
fighting it off  putting her in with the positives is giving up.  I 
think she should only go in with the positives if she tests IFA positive.


Can anyone help me sort this out?

Pam

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Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives

2011-04-15 Thread Pam Norman

Sharon,

What about grooming?  I would assume that those cats,  having lived 
together for 10 years, would mutually groom.  That's sharing bodily 
fluids  I would think would be potentially harmful to the negative ones.


Pam

On 4/15/2011 1:28 PM, Sharon Catalan wrote:

Hello Pam,

My 3 cats have been living together for 10 years now until my boy-cat was
just recently diagnosed with FeLV.  He may have contracted it 2 years ago
when he ran outside and got into a fight with another cat.  We had the 2
other girl-cats tested and they're both negative.  We had the 2 other
girl-cats vaccinated and currently, they are separated.  Doctor said that
they can be together 30days after the 2 other cats receive their 2nd shot of
FeLV vaccination.  Also, according to our doctor, it should be okay for them
to be together again as long as they don't bite/scratch each other or share
bodily fluids.  Just keep their feeding stuff completely separate.  My cats
never fight with each other although occasionally, the other cat will eat
someone's leftover and I think that is the reason that the 2 others cats
never contracted it considering that the other one had FeLV for quite some
time now.

Sharon

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net  wrote:


I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now  when the IFA test
results come in. I've been reading  reading  from what I can gather, the
old dictums about NEVER havinig positive  negative cats even in the same
house has been abandoned.  From what I have read, the general sense is that
it's fine for positives  negatives to be in the same home, but should be
separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but
more importantly with mutual grooming.   But I know also that some of you
have both positives  negatives really living together, not separate. Right?

What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom  let me cats
visit, so at  least she SEES other cats.  What is she hisses  spits?  Would
that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her
condo?  My feeling is that it would.

Also how effective is the vaccine these days?  I know that some years ago
the figure was about 30% so I never  had any of my cats vaccinated.  Has it
been  improved?

Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess she
needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her alone
until then.  We  have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause
then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it tells
  me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period.
  And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding  is that if
she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off  putting her in
with the positives is giving up.  I think she should only go in with the
positives if she tests IFA positive.

Can anyone help me sort this out?

Pam

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Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives

2011-04-15 Thread Pam Norman
Lynda, you wrote that Crash was FeLeuk negative last November.  Did you 
mean positive?  Or had he been positive prior to this?


On 4/15/2011 1:59 PM, Lynda Wilson wrote:

Pam,

I've done a lot of research myself and I asked my vet many questions.  
Here is a link that was very helpful to me and I had my vet review 
this in case she had a difference of opinion. This is very accurate 
information. I think it will answer many of your questions.  Here is 
the link:
http://www.wikifaq.com/Feline_Leukemia_FAQ#Is_there_any_risk_in_getting_my_cats_vaccinated.3F 



I will say that it's not worth the risk getting your other cats 
infected to socialize Poppy. She will be fine confined, just give her 
as much attention as possible at least until she has been cleared of 
the virus (meaning she is not permanently positive for leukemia).


Also, I am in the same boat as you. My kitten (Crash) that I fostered, 
then adopted turned out to be FeLV negative this past Nov. 2010.  On 
March 10, 2011 he had to be put down because he was in very bad shape. 
He was anemic, had a hear murmur and his oxygen level was next to 
nothing.  He was fine 2 days prior. I actually took him in because he 
did not have a bowel movement in 2 days (we were treating him for 
diarrhea) and I just thought his new food was working well. Now my 
Ragdoll cat is at risk because I did not get him vaccinated against 
leukemia because he is strictly and indoor cat. So far, he has been 
negative but will test again on May 9th. I so want to get him another 
companion. It keeps him active and it's such a joy to watch to kitties 
play. Had I known that Crash was contagious with leukemia, I would 
have never exposed my other cat. This disease is fatal, with no cure. 
But I will say that the vaccine is not 100% (but none of them are) 
effective at all times, but it's better than not being protected at all.


I hope that Poppy's immune system clears the virus. You may also get 
her siblings tested again to be safe and the mother as well.


Good luck! I hope this info helps!!

Lynda



- Original Message - From: Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net
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Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 1:00 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re positives  negatives


I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now  when the 
IFA test results come in. I've been reading  reading  from what I 
can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive  negative 
cats even in the same house has been abandoned.  From what I have 
read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives  negatives 
to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance 
of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with 
mutual grooming.   But I know also that some of you have both 
positives  negatives really living together, not separate. Right?


What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom  let me 
cats visit, so at  least she SEES other cats.  What is she hisses  
spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were 
nosing around her condo?  My feeling is that it would.


Also how effective is the vaccine these days?  I know that some years 
ago the figure was about 30% so I never  had any of my cats 
vaccinated.  Has it been  improved?


Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I 
guess she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want 
to keep her alone until then.  We  have a sanctuary for her if she 
tests IFA positive cause then we know that she is really positive. 
But the person who runs it tells  me that regardless of how she tests 
on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period.  And would go in with the 
positive cats. But my understanding  is that if she is IFA negative, 
she has a chance of fighting it off  putting her in with the 
positives is giving up.  I think she should only go in with the 
positives if she tests IFA positive.


Can anyone help me sort this out?

Pam

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Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives

2011-04-15 Thread Pam Norman
You all have been so helpful on my questions about Poppy I can't believe 
it!  Maybe I can return the favor a bit  help here.  Most of my 10 cats 
eat in their crates. I have them stacked in the kitchen  each cat knows 
which one is his  they go into them at meal times.  Otherwise I too 
would run out of rooms. I have one who also eats in the bathroom  one 
who eats in my pc room, but the others all eat in their crates in the 
kitchen. Sometimes they nap or sleep in them too since they have good 
connotations.


Pam

On 4/15/2011 5:12 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

How do you keep feeding bowls seperate?  I have 7 and don't have enough rooms 
to keep them out of each other's bowls.  Besides, each one thinks that he 
other's food is diffeent and better than theirs so the first few minutes of 
feeding is spent trading bowls just t make sure I get the best food.


 Sharon Catalanscata...@gmail.com  wrote:

Hello Pam,

My 3 cats have been living together for 10 years now until my boy-cat was
just recently diagnosed with FeLV.  He may have contracted it 2 years ago
when he ran outside and got into a fight with another cat.  We had the 2
other girl-cats tested and they're both negative.  We had the 2 other
girl-cats vaccinated and currently, they are separated.  Doctor said that
they can be together 30days after the 2 other cats receive their 2nd shot of
FeLV vaccination.  Also, according to our doctor, it should be okay for them
to be together again as long as they don't bite/scratch each other or share
bodily fluids.  Just keep their feeding stuff completely separate.  My cats
never fight with each other although occasionally, the other cat will eat
someone's leftover and I think that is the reason that the 2 others cats
never contracted it considering that the other one had FeLV for quite some
time now.

Sharon

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net  wrote:


I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now  when the IFA test
results come in. I've been reading  reading  from what I can gather, the
old dictums about NEVER havinig positive  negative cats even in the same
house has been abandoned.  From what I have read, the general sense is that
it's fine for positives  negatives to be in the same home, but should be
separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but
more importantly with mutual grooming.   But I know also that some of you
have both positives  negatives really living together, not separate. Right?

What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom  let me cats
visit, so at  least she SEES other cats.  What is she hisses  spits?  Would
that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her
condo?  My feeling is that it would.

Also how effective is the vaccine these days?  I know that some years ago
the figure was about 30% so I never  had any of my cats vaccinated.  Has it
been  improved?

Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess she
needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her alone
until then.  We  have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause
then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it tells
  me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period.
  And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding  is that if
she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off  putting her in
with the positives is giving up.  I think she should only go in with the
positives if she tests IFA positive.

Can anyone help me sort this out?

Pam

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Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives

2011-04-15 Thread Pam Norman

Great link, thank you, Lynda!

Pam

On 4/15/2011 1:59 PM, Lynda Wilson wrote:

Pam,

I've done a lot of research myself and I asked my vet many questions.  
Here is a link that was very helpful to me and I had my vet review 
this in case she had a difference of opinion. This is very accurate 
information. I think it will answer many of your questions.  Here is 
the link:
http://www.wikifaq.com/Feline_Leukemia_FAQ#Is_there_any_risk_in_getting_my_cats_vaccinated.3F 



I will say that it's not worth the risk getting your other cats 
infected to socialize Poppy. She will be fine confined, just give her 
as much attention as possible at least until she has been cleared of 
the virus (meaning she is not permanently positive for leukemia).


Also, I am in the same boat as you. My kitten (Crash) that I fostered, 
then adopted turned out to be FeLV negative this past Nov. 2010.  On 
March 10, 2011 he had to be put down because he was in very bad shape. 
He was anemic, had a hear murmur and his oxygen level was next to 
nothing.  He was fine 2 days prior. I actually took him in because he 
did not have a bowel movement in 2 days (we were treating him for 
diarrhea) and I just thought his new food was working well. Now my 
Ragdoll cat is at risk because I did not get him vaccinated against 
leukemia because he is strictly and indoor cat. So far, he has been 
negative but will test again on May 9th. I so want to get him another 
companion. It keeps him active and it's such a joy to watch to kitties 
play. Had I known that Crash was contagious with leukemia, I would 
have never exposed my other cat. This disease is fatal, with no cure. 
But I will say that the vaccine is not 100% (but none of them are) 
effective at all times, but it's better than not being protected at all.


I hope that Poppy's immune system clears the virus. You may also get 
her siblings tested again to be safe and the mother as well.


Good luck! I hope this info helps!!

Lynda



- Original Message - From: Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 1:00 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re positives  negatives


I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now  when the 
IFA test results come in. I've been reading  reading  from what I 
can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive  negative 
cats even in the same house has been abandoned.  From what I have 
read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives  negatives 
to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance 
of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with 
mutual grooming.   But I know also that some of you have both 
positives  negatives really living together, not separate. Right?


What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom  let me 
cats visit, so at  least she SEES other cats.  What is she hisses  
spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were 
nosing around her condo?  My feeling is that it would.


Also how effective is the vaccine these days?  I know that some years 
ago the figure was about 30% so I never  had any of my cats 
vaccinated.  Has it been  improved?


Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I 
guess she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want 
to keep her alone until then.  We  have a sanctuary for her if she 
tests IFA positive cause then we know that she is really positive. 
But the person who runs it tells  me that regardless of how she tests 
on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period.  And would go in with the 
positive cats. But my understanding  is that if she is IFA negative, 
she has a chance of fighting it off  putting her in with the 
positives is giving up.  I think she should only go in with the 
positives if she tests IFA positive.


Can anyone help me sort this out?

Pam

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[Felvtalk] Poppy

2011-04-14 Thread Pam Norman
Poppy is a little wild 6 month old kitten just tested  found FeLeuk 
positive.  She was one 3 beautiful white with black kittens trapped on 
Monday.  She is mostly white with a black mask  a black tail with a 
little white tip. Pale green eyes like those marbles we used to play 
with as kids.  Her mother  siblings all tested negative.


We had blood drawn yesterday for the IFA test  are waiting for that to 
determine what to do.  If it's positive, then we will be trying to find 
a place for this beautiful little girl to live out what she has of her 
life. If negative, then we will retest at some point  she will join her 
brother Percy  sister Prissie in being socialized  readied for 
adoption.  At the moment she is in a condo in the back of my car while 
we wait for the test results.  I don't want to bring her into my spare 
room at this point when the test results are pending as being wild, 
catching her again right away would be a huge challenge!


I have 10 cats of my own in a little house  I know that a FeLeuk cat 
can safely share a house with negative kitties, provided they are kept 
separate.  I don't want her to be alone, whether she is definitely 
positive or turns out to be negative  I can't take in any more cats - 
doctor's orders.


Any advice or information would be gratefully received,

Pam In Wisconsin
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[Felvtalk] Need some help or suggestions in Wisconsin

2009-09-04 Thread Pam Norman
I am in Spring Green, WI, just about 30 miles NW of Madison  am trying 
to find a home or foster for a lovely FeLV kitty in Madison. She is 
currently living on a screened porch of a very nice woman who 
unfortunately is not only allergic but has 2 nasty dogs in the back 
year.  We need to get a foster or home asap as the weather here is 
already turning cold at night.  She is perfectly healthy  very 
friendly.   Just needs a home  someone to love her.


Can someone help?

Pam

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Re: Lance/Ember

2007-10-14 Thread Pam Norman
I just came into this thread  please take Ember in to see your vet!  
Any lump in the neck area, especially after vaccinations there (which 
should NEVER be done - NO vaccinations are supposed to be done in the 
scruff anymore!) is suspect. Take her in asap  have it biopsied.


Pam

Lance wrote:
Ember is five and a half. She hasn't gotten any vax except for her 
first rabies (I think) since I adopted her when she was seven months
old. 
Again, I think I'm being, as Ned Flanders would say, a nervous Nelly,

but
that's not unusual.

Lance


On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:35:25 -0500, Kelley Saveika
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
  

Lance - how old is she?  Vaccinations have not been given in the
neck/scruff in quite some time.   Most of my cats have never gotten a
vaccination in the neck, but most of my cats are relatively young.

On 10/12/07, Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Jane,

The bump is on the side of her neck, I think. I don't think it's related
to a gland.
It may just be a pimple. It doesn't seem to go deeper than the skin, and
it's
small. After reading about vax site sarcomas, I don't *think* it could
be that. I don't
know where vax are given when they're given in the neck, but it's
certainly not
on the scruff. I think and hope I'm getting anxious over nothing.

Lance


On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:33:13 -0400, Jane Lyons
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
  

Lance could the bump you discovered at Ember's neck
could be a gland ? Is it at the base of her neck?

Jane



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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

2007-07-02 Thread Pam Norman
Was bloodwork the same in all?  What was off?  What was their WBC like, 
the BUN  creatinine, the HCT?  Were they eating well up to the time of 
getting sick?  Any fever? 


Pam

laurieskatz wrote:
I am so sorry to hear about your situatio and can only imagine how 
horrible it must beI freaked when I had 3 diagnosed with asthma. 
Teddy died of lung cancer secondary to asthma and Frankie and Keisha 
were diagnosed with asthma within a year of his death. I called in the 
health dept and they did extensive testing and made some suggestions. 
In the end they pointed a finger at the Alpine air cleaner as being a 
likely cause or contributor to Teddy's lung cancer.  We did radon 
testing, air quality, mold, etc etc.
Keep looking. It could be coincidence but I agree with your steps to 
try to find a common cause. My thoughts and prayers with you and your 
furkids. Is toxo contagious?

Laurie
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This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens.
 
Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.
 
Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently

recovered but is now dying, they think cancer.
 
Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows

what was or is wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting
better), brain cancer, toxo.
 
Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I

am going to pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
 
They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive dehydration

(skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
 
Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
 
All tested neg/neg for FELV.
 
Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and

leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing
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Re: Wallace not eating or drinking either (was Re: Caroline still not eating or drinking)

2007-06-12 Thread Pam Norman
Jean, I have had 2 kitties with lymphoma  neither of them had FeLV.   I 
think an ultrasound done by an expereienced ultrasonagrapher is 
definitely in order.


Pam

Jean wrote:

Hi folks -- long-time lurker here...

I'm having the same problem with my Wallace. He's 10
in July, half-Maine Coon tiger-tuxedo tabby, used to
be 20 pounds. Now he's starved himself down to 9
pounds, and up until last Thursday, the vet was
mystified. All his bloodwork is normal. (He's not one
of my FeLeuk rescues, so I guess he's a bit OT,
sorry...)

Three weeks ago, he seemed to be sick. He had an eye
infection, and wasn't eating. He looked like he'd lost
a lot of weight -- he'd looked mostly normal up until
recently, but there's been so much family stuff going
on, I didn't think too much about it until the eye
infection and when he got picky about his food. 


I took him in to get bloodwork, thinking that it would
be hyperthyroid (which has been the case with three of
our family cats in different households). Nope --
everything in the bloodwork was normal, except for his
dehydration. Huh. He did have an elevated temperature,
so they gave me antibiotics, eye medication, and gave
him 150ml of Ringer's solution subq for the
dehydration.  


A few days later, a family emergency came up and I had
to go stay with my grandparents for the better part of
a week. I brought Wallace with me, and he perked up a
great deal. He was eating (although no where near his
usual amount), but he was only licking the gravy off
the wet food, not eating the chunks. He'd eat some
kibble, too, but didn't even get through a half-cup
during the five days we were there. Still, he seemed
strong and even jumped up to sleep on the bed and sat
in the window.

After the family crisis passed, we came home to our
apartment and the other four cats. Wallace gets along
with all of them, pretty much. One of them is his twin
brother, Bruce (who is still over 20 pounds of furry
purring goodness). I have one rescue, Oliver, who has
never really fit in and plays dominance games from
time to time, so I thought Wallace's anorexia might be
a behavioral problem, reacting to yet another of
Oliver's power plays.  This theory got more credence
when Wallace seemed to droop when we got home -- I
think he'd liked being an only cat for five days. :-/

About a week after that, he'd stopped eating again,
and I took him back to the vet. This was last Friday,
June 8.  This time, Wallace did not have a
temperature, and his eye infection was gone, but he
was dehydrated again. Doc's scale said he'd gone up to
12 pounds, but I don't think it's right. When I weigh
him at home (holding him while I weigh myself, then
weighing myself and getting the difference), he's only
9.5 or 10 pounds.

When Doc did the physical exam, he palpated a mass in
his abdomen that he did not feel two weeks prior. 
Wallace has a bad habit of chewing on plastic, so I

was thinking that perhaps he'd gotten himself an
obstruction, but the doc didn't think so. He's
thinking lymphoma, and we're getting an ultrasound and
biopsy this week.

I'm doing subcu fluids at home (100-150ml, depending
on how much it seems like he needs), and have been
syringe feeding. Doc also gave an Rx for Periactin to
stimulate appetite, and it seems to have worked a bit.
Sometimes Wallace's stomach can't take the periactin,
though, and he vomits it up.  The past two days, he
vomited a *lot*, mostly bile and fluid. But last
night, I didn't wake to the unmistakable sound of
kitty yakking, so I think this is good.

Wallace is using his litterbox, but he's started
urinating frequently, with small volume. I'm really
scared for his kidneys at this point -- even if he
wasn't in kidney failure before, this anorexia and
dehydration will throw him into failure.

Has anybody had experience with a mystery anorexia,
and then lymphoma?  I thought lymphoma was unusual in
FeLeuk negative cats. :-/  I think I need to have him
tested for FeLeuk again -- he hasn't been tested since
kittenhood, but he's a strictly indoor cat and hasn't
been exposed (that I know of) to a FeLeuk positive
cat.

I guess I'm asking for prayers and good thoughts for
Wallace, too.  He's been my baby since he was three
weeks old, and I had to bottlefeed him.  I've put his
whole story on my blog, here:

http://lyonessnyc.livejournal.com/52532.html

I've had some success in syringe feeding him A/D, and
last night I bought a can of KMR feline milk replacer
and mixed some of that in with the A/D. I actually got
a couple of tablespoons into him, and he slept on the
bed most of the night (not under it).

I'm scared for my baby.

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Re: Wallace not eating or drinking either (was Re: Caroline still not eating or drinking)

2007-06-12 Thread Pam Norman
We went straight to chemo.   With Coconut, he was treated ini the 
oncology section of the All Care Trauma Center in Fountain Valley, CA.  
JuneAmy, who I lost just over a year ago, was treated at the U of WI vet 
school. Her lymphoma was an extremely fast growing type  we lost her.  
If it is lymphoma with Wallace, I would join the yahoogroup lymphoma 
list. There's a lot of good people  information there.


Pam

Jean wrote:

--- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

Jean, I have had 2 kitties with lymphoma  neither
of them had FeLV.   I 
think an ultrasound done by an expereienced

ultrasonagrapher is definitely in order.



Yes, that's the next step. I'm sitting here at home
waiting for the vet to call me back to let me know if
he's confirmed the sonographer appointment. Doc says
next after that is biopsy.

You've gone through this -- what happens next? Thank
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2007-06-12 Thread Pam Norman

Cassandra,

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bring you happiness in years to come.


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Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading.

2007-06-11 Thread Pam Norman

That scripture is lovely. If you have more, I'd like to see them.

Pam

Marylyn wrote:
Just so there is no misunderstanding, animal communications is 
practiced by Christians as well as people of other beliefs and the 
Bible speaks of interspecies communications.  Below is one of my 
favorite scriptures.


JOB 12:7-10

You have only to ask the cattle, for them to instruct you, and the 
birds of the sky, for them to inform you. The creeping things of earth 
will give you lessons, and the fish of the sea provide you an 
explanation: there is not one such creature but will know that the 
hand of God has arranged things like this! In his hand is the soul of 
every living thing and the breath of every human being!


There are a lot more but I'm not into preaching.  Just clarifying that 
AC is recognized by numerous religions, agnostics and atheists.  As 
some friends say, take what works for you and leave the rest.









If you have men who 
will exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.
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Francis

- Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: OT - animal communication - please just delete without 
reading.




Wow!!  Now THAT was a vent!!!  That said i agree with
Debbie, but there is something more important at stake
here.

I personally have found this list to be one of the
most caring ones around.  You guys were supportive of
me during our move, and even offered suggestions.  Not
one other list was as helpful.  No, it didn't have
much to do with FeLV (although Ki was the ONLY one who
scared the crap out of me during that ordeal.  He is
doing well, anyway...)  but I needed support.  I have
a CRF kitty, one with FIV and diabetes, one with FIV
and stomatitis, one with just stomatitis (just, hah!)
and an asthmatic.  The others are healthy.  But
darnit, I was scared.  No one likes to think about
losing their furkid, and I have lost my share, and
will again.

Point is, we all need a kind word now and again.  And
suggestions, too.  We may not alwys agree, but hey,
they were given from the heart, and we need to be
mature enough to take what we want and keep our
mouth's shut if we don't like them.

The internet brings peoples of all beliefs
together...that is what is so facinating about it!
One of my best friend is a Pagan.  I don't believe in
all of it, but I learned about it and was surprised!
We are free to take it or leave it  And, if you
decide to leave it, do it with grace.

In friendship,
Dede and Ki (and all the rest)


--- Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I was disturbed by the below message. There is
nothing wrong with people
believing in certain things. If those things bring
them comfort how could it
ever be wrong? I read Phaewryn's my space blog and
it seems to me she is
someone who is dealing with a lot of deep issues.
She comes across as being
a very angry and distrusting person. Take it for
what it is worth - just
someone blowing off steam.

It must be a very sad and lonely life if a person
doesn't believe strongly
in something. Faith is the healing force and there
is nothing wrong with
saying a prayer. If anything it humbles us enough to
make us see what is
truly important in our lives.  Myself, I would say I
wouldn't go to any
psychic readings of any type, but that's me. I do
believe there are things
that are mystical or paranormal, etc., but I have
always wondered where
those powers come from? Good or Evil? Since I don't
know then I choose not
to use them., but if someone else finds comfort in
it - then that is their
choice.





-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marylyn
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 3:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT - animal communication - please just
delete without reading.



I'm not going to respond to such an awful personal
attack.  I truly believe
in AC and know a number of people who practice it.
It has worked for me and
it has worked for them.  I am sorry it has not
worked for you.  Perhaps one
day.













 If
you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures

from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who

will deal likewise with
their fellow man.

 St.
Francis

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To: HYPERLINK


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Subject: Re: OT - animal communication - please just
delete without reading.



And the thought that perhaps we need to ask the
cats in question 

Re: OT - animal communication - Religious Stuff

2007-06-11 Thread Pam Norman

Thank you,

Pam

Marylyn wrote:
There are those on the board that have no interest in this so I will 
send this email and ask that you contact me off the board if I can 
provide additional informtion.


Please remember that, under the Christian and Jewish traditions, man 
was kicked out of paradise, not the animals.


Try these links:

http://www.dogshavesouls.com/scripture.html

www.saintfrancisfoundation.com

And search  www.Amazon.com for information on animals and heaven and 
communications


A particular favorite:


 Numbers 22:27 And when the ass (donkey) saw the angel of the Lord, 
she fell down under Balaam: and Balaam's anger was kindled, and he 
smote the ass with a staff.


 28 And the Lord opened the mouth of the ass, and she said unto 
Balaam, What have I done unto thee, that thou hast smitten me these 
three times?




ROMANS 8:19-21 the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for 
the manifestation of the sons of God, because the creature itself also 
shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious 
liberty of the children of God.

(KJV).

LUKE 3:6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.' (NKJ)

ACTS 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution 
of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy 
prophets since the world began. (KJV)


REV. 21:5 And He that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all 
things new. And He said unto me, Write: for these words are true and 
faithful. (KJV)


ECCLESIASTES 3:18 I said in my heart, Concerning the condition of the 
sons of men, God tests them, that they may see that they themselves 
are like animals. (NKJ)


ECCLESIASTES 3:19-20 Man's fate is like that of the animals; the same 
fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the 
same breath, man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is 
meaningless. All go to the same place; all come from dust and to dust 
all return. (NIV)


LUKE 3:6 all flesh shall see the salvation of God. (KJV)

PSALM 36:6 Your righteousness is like the mighty mountains, your 
judgments are like the great deep; you save humans and animals alike, 
O LORD. (NRS)


GENESIS 1:30 and to every animal of the earth, and to every fowl of 
the heavens, and to everything that creepeth on the earth, in which is 
a living soul, every green herb for food. And it was so. (DBY







If you have men who 
will exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis

- Original Message - From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without 
reading.




That scripture is lovely. If you have more, I'd like to see them.

Pam

Marylyn wrote:
Just so there is no misunderstanding, animal communications is 
practiced by Christians as well as people of other beliefs and the 
Bible speaks of interspecies communications.  Below is one of my 
favorite scriptures.


JOB 12:7-10

You have only to ask the cattle, for them to instruct you, and the 
birds of the sky, for them to inform you. The creeping things of 
earth will give you lessons, and the fish of the sea provide you an 
explanation: there is not one such creature but will know that the 
hand of God has arranged things like this! In his hand is the soul 
of every living thing and the breath of every human being!


There are a lot more but I'm not into preaching.  Just clarifying 
that AC is recognized by numerous religions, agnostics and 
atheists.  As some friends say, take what works for you and leave 
the rest.









If you have men who 
will exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis

- Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: OT - animal communication - please just delete without 
reading.




Wow!!  Now THAT was a vent!!!  That said i agree with
Debbie, but there is something more important at stake
here.

I personally have found this list to be one of the
most caring ones around.  You guys were supportive of
me during our move, and even offered suggestions.  Not
one other list was as helpful.  No, it didn't have
much to do with FeLV (although Ki was the ONLY one who
scared the crap out of me during that ordeal.  He is
doing well, anyway...)  but I needed support.  I

Re: outdoor enclosures

2007-06-07 Thread Pam Norman

Same thing with those awful plastic bags if the handles aren't cut.

Taylor Scobie Humphrey wrote:
I had exactly the same problem but I did not realize what all the 
commotion was about until the poor birdie was dead.  That was a long 
time ago.  So sad!


Consciousness is Causal 
 and Physicality is its

 Manifestation.


On Jun 7, 2007, at 1:58 AM, Marylyn wrote:

A word about fishing line:  I had a bird use a piece in its nest.  A 
baby bird got it wrapped around its leg and dangled from a two story 
window for a long time.  I finally got the bird freed but it would 
not stay in the nest. I could not get the line from around its leg 
so, if it lived, the nylon line may have cut into the leg.  The same 
thing can happen with cats + they can get it wrapped around their 
necks, eat it etc.  It is extremely hard to see too.








If you have men who 
will exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: outdoor enclosures



Yeah, the mesh was great in Fl.  I even brought some
with me.  Guess what?  It doesn't work in NY...sigh.
We were told by a large cat sanctuary (Peace
Plantation) to use 1x2 galvanized welded rabbit wire.
He showed us what 2 winters did to the mesh.  They had
spent $6,500 on it and it bombed.  The stupid
manufacturer said It's not for commercial use  Well
duh, if it works, it works.  Zip ties don't work here
either.

It's very hard to describe what we've done now by
writing.  I can tell you that in Fl. we got a 10x10
enclosure from Ace Hardware and covered it using mesh
and zip ties.  Some folks use fish line.  You have to
adapt the door so they can't get through. a chain link
fence guy can do that for you.

We will be using Kittywalk to connect the 2 enclosures
we will have here.

Dede
--- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I have what I call a catiary cause it looks like
an aviary. It was
built at the same time as my deck so it could be
incorporated into the
plan. It's between a wing of the deck  the house 
goes from ground
level to roof level of single story house.  The
floor is concrete for
cleaning - a lockable screen door goes to the yard 
the walls are 4
PVC coated mesh that is exactly what BestFriends
uses in their outdoor
rooms. It's VERY strong  does not cut down on light
as does most of the
regular, weaker, tearable mesh screen.

Inside there are shelves at staggered heights for
sunning  romping.  I
scrounded a tall thick tree branch  a really
crookedy one that are
propped in one corner for climbing  scratching.
The roof is that
coorrugated plastic. I keep one or two litter boxes
out there.

The cats have access to the catiary from a cat door
from the screened
porch  access to the screened porch from a cat door
into the kitchen.
Works great. In cold weather they can go out there
without letting the
cold into the house.

I looked at enclosures on the web  found that
utterly boring. I think
the best ones are the ones that the people design
themselves. Y ou
.should be able to get a handyman to build it. The
man who built mine
along with the deck got a huge kick out of it. Said
he'd never had a
cat room on his resume before!

Pam

Jane Lyons wrote:
 I'm sorry to be constantly asking questions,
 but hopefully we can get the newness of this
diagnosis
 and all the issues it raises on the right path ...
 Can anyone recommend an outdoor enclosure for cats
 that works well. Again, I Googled the category and
there
 are hundreds of choices. I was hoping someone
might have
 experience with a design or quality that works.
 I suspect that MeMe was at one time in her young
life on
 her own because she can climb trees better than
squirrels and
 seems to know her way around the terrain. I need
an enclosure that
 will allow her some measure of freedom and
activity.

 I appreciate any information or leads someone
might have.
 Jane










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Re: To Cassandra and Kisa

2007-06-06 Thread Pam Norman

Just be sure she gets her doxy!

Pam

C  J wrote:

Thank you.
 
So far so good.  Kisa is eating mainly felidae canned right now, 
though she only eats when I hand feed her.  When I try the foods she 
ate before she got sick, she shows an aversion to them now, even to 
the Tempations treats she absolutely loved before. 
 
She still wants to hide under the bed all day, and her lips/gums are 
very pale, but she is getting a little bit stronger each day.  
Hopefully she can get more of those red blood cells back into 
circulation soon.
 
Cassandra


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*Sent:* Wednesday, June 06, 2007 9:00 AM
*Subject:* To Cassandra and Kisa

Cassandra and Kisa:

 


You two are in my thoughts today! Hope all is well and Kisa is
eating more!

 


Melissa


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Sally

2007-06-03 Thread Pam Norman
Sally, where are you?  It's been raining here too  hasn't for awhile. I 
know, too much coincidence for you to be here too but you never know. 
I'm in south central WI.


And remember day lilies are very toxic to cats.

Pam

Sally Davis wrote:

Nina
 
Thanks for the inspiring story. My old computer had major problems 
least which which was the sound did not work in spite of a sound card 
and speakers. I am trying to transfer my old files and setting to this 
computer but the room is still to hot for the old one to run. So I 
have windows opened three fans running to bring the cool air from 
outside inside. It is raining and much needed rain for my flowers. 
Next to my precious cats I collect daylilies, Japanese Maples, and 
other plants.
 
Well I really don't collect cats. I just love them. I have had a cat 
since I was a child and I remember all of them. At least  when my 
middle age memory allows me to...lol
 
Sally
 
 



 
On 6/3/07, *Nina* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:


Here's a video that had me in happy tears, something I know we
could all
use:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl








Re: Sally

2007-06-03 Thread Pam Norman
Ok this is good to know.  Now we know who to ask with our flower 
question. Wish  you could see my place. I planted a bunch of things from 
Breck's but was dumb enough not to label them. Now they're coming up  I 
have no clue as to what they are!


Pam

Sally Davis wrote:

Hi Pam,
 
I am in VA. Daylilies are not in the LILY family. They are not toxic 
to cats in spite of what the ASPCA has on there website. It is based 
on an assumption that they are *lilies. *My front yard is entirely 
daylilies, no grass. Funny thing is my cats get very few fleas now. 
When they do I use Advantage. Fleas live in grassy yards.
 
I am a horticulturist by trade and education. So I give that as my 
qualification regarding daylily (hemerocallis) classification.
 
We are getting remnants of TS Barry.
 
Thanks for your concern.
 
Sally


 
On 6/3/07, *Pam Norman* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Sally, where are you?  It's been raining here too  hasn't for
awhile. I
know, too much coincidence for you to be here too but you never know.
I'm in south central WI.

And remember day lilies are very toxic to cats.

Pam

Sally Davis wrote:
 Nina

 Thanks for the inspiring story. My old computer had major problems
 least which which was the sound did not work in spite of a sound
card
 and speakers. I am trying to transfer my old files and setting
to this
 computer but the room is still to hot for the old one to run. So I
 have windows opened three fans running to bring the cool air from
 outside inside. It is raining and much needed rain for my flowers.
 Next to my precious cats I collect daylilies, Japanese Maples, and
 other plants.

 Well I really don't collect cats. I just love them. I have had a cat
 since I was a child and I remember all of them. At least  when my
 middle age memory allows me to...lol

 Sally





 On 6/3/07, *Nina* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 Here's a video that had me in happy tears, something I know we
 could all
 use:


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl
 
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5249518974978628334pr=goog-sl











Re: outdoor enclosures

2007-06-03 Thread Pam Norman
I have what I call a catiary cause it looks like an aviary. It was 
built at the same time as my deck so it could be incorporated into the 
plan. It's between a wing of the deck  the house  goes from ground 
level to roof level of single story house.  The floor is concrete for 
cleaning - a lockable screen door goes to the yard  the walls are 4 
PVC coated mesh that is exactly what BestFriends uses in their outdoor 
rooms. It's VERY strong  does not cut down on light as does most of the 
regular, weaker, tearable mesh screen.


Inside there are shelves at staggered heights for sunning  romping.  I 
scrounded a tall thick tree branch  a really crookedy one that are 
propped in one corner for climbing  scratching.  The roof is that 
coorrugated plastic. I keep one or two litter boxes out there.


The cats have access to the catiary from a cat door from the screened 
porch  access to the screened porch from a cat door into the kitchen. 
Works great. In cold weather they can go out there without letting the 
cold into the house.


I looked at enclosures on the web  found that utterly boring. I think 
the best ones are the ones that the people design themselves. Y ou 
.should be able to get a handyman to build it. The man who built mine 
along with the deck got a huge kick out of it. Said he'd never had a 
cat room on his resume before!


Pam

Jane Lyons wrote:

I'm sorry to be constantly asking questions,
but hopefully we can get the newness of this diagnosis
and all the issues it raises on the right path ...
Can anyone recommend an outdoor enclosure for cats
that works well. Again, I Googled the category and there
are hundreds of choices. I was hoping someone might have
experience with a design or quality that works.
I suspect that MeMe was at one time in her young life on
her own because she can climb trees better than squirrels and
seems to know her way around the terrain. I need an enclosure that
will allow her some measure of freedom and activity.

I appreciate any information or leads someone might have.
Jane









Re: outdoor enclosures

2007-06-03 Thread Pam Norman
The PVC coated wire mesh works fine in Wisconsin  fine in Utah. I don't 
see why it wouldn't work in NY!  It's very strong, 4x4 coated wire.


Pam

dede hicken wrote:

Yeah, the mesh was great in Fl.  I even brought some
with me.  Guess what?  It doesn't work in NY...sigh. 
We were told by a large cat sanctuary (Peace
Plantation) to use 1x2 galvanized welded rabbit wire. 
He showed us what 2 winters did to the mesh.  They had

spent $6,500 on it and it bombed.  The stupid
manufacturer said It's not for commercial use  Well
duh, if it works, it works.  Zip ties don't work here
either.

It's very hard to describe what we've done now by
writing.  I can tell you that in Fl. we got a 10x10
enclosure from Ace Hardware and covered it using mesh
and zip ties.  Some folks use fish line.  You have to
adapt the door so they can't get through. a chain link
fence guy can do that for you.

We will be using Kittywalk to connect the 2 enclosures
we will have here.

Dede
--- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

I have what I call a catiary cause it looks like
an aviary. It was 
built at the same time as my deck so it could be
incorporated into the 
plan. It's between a wing of the deck  the house 
goes from ground 
level to roof level of single story house.  The
floor is concrete for 
cleaning - a lockable screen door goes to the yard 
the walls are 4 
PVC coated mesh that is exactly what BestFriends
uses in their outdoor 
rooms. It's VERY strong  does not cut down on light
as does most of the 
regular, weaker, tearable mesh screen.


Inside there are shelves at staggered heights for
sunning  romping.  I 
scrounded a tall thick tree branch  a really
crookedy one that are 
propped in one corner for climbing  scratching. 
The roof is that 
coorrugated plastic. I keep one or two litter boxes

out there.

The cats have access to the catiary from a cat door
from the screened 
porch  access to the screened porch from a cat door
into the kitchen. 
Works great. In cold weather they can go out there
without letting the 
cold into the house.


I looked at enclosures on the web  found that
utterly boring. I think 
the best ones are the ones that the people design
themselves. Y ou 
.should be able to get a handyman to build it. The
man who built mine 
along with the deck got a huge kick out of it. Said
he'd never had a 
cat room on his resume before!


Pam

Jane Lyons wrote:


I'm sorry to be constantly asking questions,
but hopefully we can get the newness of this
  

diagnosis


and all the issues it raises on the right path ...
Can anyone recommend an outdoor enclosure for cats
that works well. Again, I Googled the category and
  

there


are hundreds of choices. I was hoping someone
  

might have


experience with a design or quality that works.
I suspect that MeMe was at one time in her young
  

life on


her own because she can climb trees better than
  

squirrels and


seems to know her way around the terrain. I need
  

an enclosure that


will allow her some measure of freedom and
  

activity.


I appreciate any information or leads someone
  

might have.


Jane




  






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Re: outdoor enclosures

2007-06-03 Thread Pam Norman
I wanted the same stuff they used at Best Friends because it is so 
strong. Out there they use it not only to keep dogs  cats from getting 
out but to keep other critters from getting in .  INitially I thought we 
were going to have to have it shippped from the East Coast but I THINK 
we found an outlet here in WI that carried it. Yes, pricey, but worth it 
in the long run.


P

dede hicken wrote:

OK.  The stuff that was used was NOT wire coated with
PVC...just plastic coated mesh of some sort.  THAT
stuff does not work in cold climates.

I did see the PVC coated wire at the feed store.  It's
a bit pricy, but it does work well.

Dede


--- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

The PVC coated wire mesh works fine in Wisconsin 
fine in Utah. I don't 
see why it wouldn't work in NY!  It's very strong,

4x4 coated wire.

Pam

dede hicken wrote:


Yeah, the mesh was great in Fl.  I even brought
  

some


with me.  Guess what?  It doesn't work in
  
NY...sigh. 


We were told by a large cat sanctuary (Peace
Plantation) to use 1x2 galvanized welded rabbit
  
wire. 


He showed us what 2 winters did to the mesh.  They
  

had


spent $6,500 on it and it bombed.  The stupid
manufacturer said It's not for commercial use 
  

Well


duh, if it works, it works.  Zip ties don't work
  

here


either.

It's very hard to describe what we've done now by
writing.  I can tell you that in Fl. we got a
  

10x10


enclosure from Ace Hardware and covered it using
  

mesh


and zip ties.  Some folks use fish line.  You have
  

to


adapt the door so they can't get through. a chain
  

link


fence guy can do that for you.

We will be using Kittywalk to connect the 2
  

enclosures


we will have here.

Dede
--- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  

I have what I call a catiary cause it looks


like

an aviary. It was 
built at the same time as my deck so it could be
incorporated into the 
plan. It's between a wing of the deck  the house




goes from ground 
level to roof level of single story house.  The
floor is concrete for 
cleaning - a lockable screen door goes to the


yard 

the walls are 4 
PVC coated mesh that is exactly what BestFriends
uses in their outdoor 
rooms. It's VERY strong  does not cut down on


light

as does most of the 
regular, weaker, tearable mesh screen.


Inside there are shelves at staggered heights for
sunning  romping.  I 
scrounded a tall thick tree branch  a really
crookedy one that are 
propped in one corner for climbing  scratching. 
The roof is that 
coorrugated plastic. I keep one or two litter


boxes


out there.

The cats have access to the catiary from a cat


door

from the screened 
porch  access to the screened porch from a cat


door

into the kitchen. 
Works great. In cold weather they can go out


there

without letting the 
cold into the house.


I looked at enclosures on the web  found that
utterly boring. I think 
the best ones are the ones that the people design
themselves. Y ou 
.should be able to get a handyman to build it.


The

man who built mine 
along with the deck got a huge kick out of it.


Said

he'd never had a 
cat room on his resume before!


Pam

Jane Lyons wrote:



I'm sorry to be constantly asking questions,
but hopefully we can get the newness of this
  
  

diagnosis



and all the issues it raises on the right path
  

...


Can anyone recommend an outdoor enclosure for
  

cats


that works well. Again, I Googled the category
  

and

  
  

there



are hundreds of choices. I was hoping someone
  
  

might have



experience with a design or quality that works.
I suspect that MeMe was at one time in her young
  
  

life on



her own because she can climb trees better than
  
  

squirrels and



seems to know her way around the terrain. I need
  
  

an enclosure that



will allow her some measure of freedom and
  
  

activity.



I appreciate any information or leads someone
  
  

might have.



Jane




  
  



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beings, you are only in the service of your God


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Re: Update on Kisa

2007-06-03 Thread Pam Norman
I find that the easiest way is to cut the tablet up  put it in a small 
gelcap. Then roll the gelcap in cat food juices. Makes it slippery  
tastes good so they swallow! Not like sticking a nasty pill in that 
sticks someplace in the mouth to be spit out later on.


Pam

C  J wrote:
Yes i'm giving her doxy, but she's one heck of a tough kitty to give 
pills to. Tomi is way easier to give pills.


Cassandra


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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: Update on Kisa



Cassandra,
I hope she is still getting the doxy otherwise your only 
prolonging the inevitable, hemo does not go away on its own.  If her 
anemia is because od hemo she needs the doxy to live.


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Re: Update on Kisa

2007-06-03 Thread Pam Norman
Cat food juices are more slippery (I wanted to say 'slipperier but 
that's obviously wrong!).  If you can wedge her between your knees on 
the floor so she is firmly held by your thighs  body, then get mouth 
open  whammo in the back of the mouth. I've had so much experience with 
pills that I basically just put them in my hand  go looking for the 
subject kitty. Most of the tme, just bending over, backing them up to my 
legs  opening the mouth will do. It's all over before they can object!


Pam

C  J wrote:
These pills come in a gelcap already.  The problem is, she squirms and 
moves her tongue around like crazy, so I have to try avoiding the 
tongue and getting the pill right to the back of her throat, or else 
she bites it. Once she bites it, she foams at the mouth like crazy, so 
it must taste really bad.  I think the vet techs were having a heck of 
a time giving her pills too when she was there.


I am trying to coat it in butter, but cat food juice sounds good too.

Cassandra

- Original Message - From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: Update on Kisa


I find that the easiest way is to cut the tablet up  put it in a 
small gelcap. Then roll the gelcap in cat food juices. Makes it 
slippery  tastes good so they swallow! Not like sticking a nasty 
pill in that sticks someplace in the mouth to be spit out later on.


Pam

C  J wrote:
Yes i'm giving her doxy, but she's one heck of a tough kitty to give 
pills to. Tomi is way easier to give pills.


Cassandra


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Subject: Re: Update on Kisa



Cassandra,
I hope she is still getting the doxy otherwise your only 
prolonging the inevitable, hemo does not go away on its own.  If 
her anemia is because od hemo she needs the doxy to live.


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Re: Update on Kisa

2007-06-02 Thread Pam Norman
200 ml IS too much for her. Stay with 100 but be sure the prior 
watering is absorbed.


Also she should still be on doxy.  That is absolutely CRITICAL!  For 
hemobart, she needs to be on it for a good 6 weeks. If she is not, then 
her HCT will keep dropping  she will be in emergency need of a transfusion.


Pasm

C  J wrote:
My guess, is her rapid breathing is caused by anemia.  She is very 
pale, her feet and gums are much paler than normal.  I am wondering if 
the hemobart is possibly causing her immune system to attack its own 
red blood cells, and the Dex is slowling that down.  It could be 
lymphoma too though, its hard to say.


Basically the vets aren't very helpful for me anymore.  The one vet I 
was dealing with that was actually being helpful is gone for a few 
weeks now, and all the other vets want to do is put her to sleep.  I 
hate even consulting them, because they just try to talk me into 
putting her to sleep.


When I got the IV bag, the vet I talked to said to give her like 200ml 
per day.  I think that's way too much right now...when it took her 
like 12 hours to absorb 100ml.


Cassandra

- Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: Update on Kisa



Hey Cassandra,

Wow, I am surprised and so happy that Kisa is
rallying!  I hope she can pull through.  The dex can
make a difference.  I think the combo shot I mentioned
early on shrinks lymphoma, according to Michelle, the
girl who used to be here who knows a lot about it.  If
that's the case, and she does have lymphoma, it might
explain the easier breathing.  Maybe something is
growing quickly and pressing on her lungs or throat.

My cat with CRF gets 200 CC a week of subQ fluids, but
she is not in grave danger as Kisa is.  She walks
around with a little sac of fluid hanging off her
little bony body for a few hours before it absorbs.
She feels so much better after it's done.  How much
did the vet say you should give Kisa?  I would ask
them so that you don't overdo it.

Keeping my fingers crossed for you guys.

:)
Wendy

--- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


A small update on Kisa.

I didn't think she would make it through the night,
and at one point I checked on her and thought she
was gone, because I didn't see the heavy breathing.

She did make it through the night, and I was
seriously considering taking her in to the vet for
euthanasia.  I asked her if I should, and was very
upset I wasn't strong enough to make that decision.

Well, now she actually looks a little bit better.
She's very weak, but she seems more alert and her
breathing, while still fast, isn't quite as labored
and she's not breathing through her mouth.  It could
be the dexamethasone making some sort of difference.

And then the strangest thing of all happened, she
ate about 1 and a half tablespoons of pureed liver,
by licking it off the back of a spoon.  This is the
first time in two weeks since this started, that she
didn't gag at the very sight/smell of food.  I
couldn't believe she actually ate.  She must not be
feeling as nauseous, and so far she hasn't vomited
today.

I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but this is the
first positive thing that has happened for her in
two weeks.  I guess we'll just have to wait and see
how she does over the next couple of days.  If she's
trying to get better, she has an awful lot to
overcome yet in order to do so.

I've got a full IV bag of sub-q fluids to keep her
hydrated at least.  Just a question on that, how
much fluid should she get in a day?  I gave her
about 100ml, six hours ago, and it still hasn't all
soaked in from under the skin at the back of her
neck.

Cassandra




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Re: depressing!!.

2007-06-02 Thread Pam Norman
Well if you consider the lifespan of a well cared for indoor cat who 
gets checkups once a year  bloodwork at least once a year, who may get 
diabetes or kidney disease or even cancer in older age  who given the 
best medical care possible for same -  you might get up to 22K 
by the time that kitty crosses the bridge!


Pam

Susan Hoffman wrote:
Looks like a really big tabby to me.Hmmm, so if I can get a tabby 
up to 30 pounds, I can call it an Ashera mix and ask a really big 
adoption fee
 
Who spends $22K on a cat?  Crazy.


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Re: To Pam: Re: Anyone have experience with respiratory distress likely caused by anemia?

2007-06-01 Thread Pam Norman

Wendy,

I am not judging at all. I am only offering my advice (unsolicited, 
admittedly, but then all of our advice unsolicited basically, is really 
just offered) based on experience  on what Cassandra has said about 
Kisa's condition  difficulty breathing, which we all know is an 
extremely serious condition.  I believe she is near the end  that the 
loving thing to do at this point is to release her from what she is 
going through. I think it IS urgent that that be done in order to spare 
her additional suffering.


I am not an animal communicator (altho there have been those 
instances) so I can't say that I know what Kisa wants, but I feel 
strongly for her  believe as strongly that if she could say so, she 
would ask to be let go.


Finally, may I respectfully point out too that your recounting of 
Cricket's death is all the more reason to spare Kisa the same.


Pam

wendy wrote:

Pam,

I respect your opinion regarding Kisa, and don't
necessarily disagree with it.  But be aware and
respectful that not everyone believes the same way. 
If I could have done things differently, knowing how

my last kitty died, I would have pts.  But on the
other hand, my grandmother died on her own at home;
she chose that instead of being doped up at a
hospital.  A person's (or cat's) choices that must be
made, are theirs alone, whether others believe they
reflect love or ignorance or whatever.  If Cassandra
chooses to pts or not, it's her and Kisa's decision. 
Please don't judge her for the route she takes.  She

certainly wouldn't harm Kisa intentionally.  She loves
her.  With everything else she is dealing with, gentle
guidance is what she needs from us.  Urgent pleas will
only add to the confusion and stress she and Kisa are
already under.

:)
Wendy

--- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

I think you must realize that not being able to
breathe properly is very 
frightening  very grave. It is very very hard on
her to not be able to 
breathe!   Please take her to the vet or the ER 
let her go. She is so 
ill  has deteriorated so far that trying to treat
her any further is 
only extending her suffering.  Do not wait for her
to slip away on her 
own as it is dooming her to only more suffering.  
If the vet won't 
come to you, then please take her in now.


Pam

C  J wrote:


I've been searching the web for info on
  
respiratory distress, but 


can't seem to find what i'm looking for.
 
Kisa's breathing is very rapid and deep, and she
  
has her mouth 


slightly open most of the time.  I can't decide if
  
I should take her 


in to be put to sleep.
 
I am just wondering if anyone has experience with
  
this, and how long 


will an animal last in this sort of condition?  I
  
am sure she isn't 


feeling very well at all, but I don't know if she
  
is in pain, or just 


some discomfort.  If this is going to go on for
  
days, I should 

probably put her to sleep. 
 
How will an animal die if the respiratory distress
  
keeps getting 


worse?  Will it be a painful ending, or just a
  
cessation of breathing 


eventually?
 
Thanks for any input.
 
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Re: Something I found by accident

2007-06-01 Thread Pam Norman

Debbie,

These photos are so pitiful!  Those poor babies. So many with eye 
infections or even blind!  It sounds as if progress is being made altho 
on the website, the deadlines are way past.  Are these little ones 
getting treatment?


Pam

Debbie wrote:
While looking at the net I stumbled upon a very sad story. If you 
would click on the link and read about what these folks are up against.

www.foreclosurecats.org http://www.foreclosurecats.org
 
Hi Debbie,
 
Thank you for asking about the status of the kitties.
 
Yes, we believe we have successfully removed all 
the www.ForeclosureCats.org http://www.foreclosurecats.org/  from 
inside.the bank cleanout crew will be well into next week cleaning 
the junk off that property.  They have our contact numbers to 
notify us of any cats they find.  There are still a few very skittish 
/ feral outdoor cats that we need to trap to spay/neuter and include 
in a TNR program if they indeed are feral.
 
We still have 7 cats in vets that are still not well enough to be 
spay/neutered and placed in a foster home. 
 
We have 2 very healthy and thriving 6 week old kittens that are ready 
to be adopted (preferably together, they keep each other company) or 
at least fostered (currently they are in a large dog crate in a 
garage, they are being cared for but not what we want for this boy and 
girl). 
 
Donations are still desperately neededvet bills (although most 
vets have given us rescue friendly rates) continue to add up with the 
53 cats that we have taken in from this property.
 
Lastly, we need adopters.  As the small rescue groups involved do not 
have a shelter we need to find the forever homes soon so as to honor 
our commitment to the wonderful fosters that these kitties will be 
placed in a few months at most. 
 
We have very sweet cats and kittens that need their forever homes. 
 
*_We have about 5 FIV+ adult cats that will need a very experienced 
cat guardians or a pet lover that currently has no cats and if they 
have dogs (cat friendly dogs). _*
 
We have special needs kitties (1 totally blind very sweet kitten and 
many kittens / cats that are blind in one eye, also we have a deaf cat)
 
We also have very sweet adult cats that need a patient guardian who 
can help socialize them.
 
Please spread the word to your friends about www.ForeclosureCats.org 
http://www.foreclosurecats.org/ and if they live near Cincinnati and 
would be interested in adopting or fostering one of these discarded 
kitties, please ask them to complete the applicable form on the site.
 
Hopefully this weekend, I can update the site with some individual 
kitties' saga thru this ordeal.
 
Have a GREAT Day!

Anita Barron
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Re: Update on Kisa

2007-06-01 Thread Pam Norman

Cassandra,

I routinely give about  100 ml per day unless the cat is very small.  
Never give more fluids if what you have already given has not been 
absorbed. Usually it does not stay at the back of the neck but slides 
down under the belly against the back of the front leg. Sometimes down 
the front leg. On a short haired cat it's pretty easy to check for 
unabsorbed fluids because it's like they are packing jello.


Psm

C  J wrote:

A small update on Kisa.
 
I didn't think she would make it through the night, and at one point I 
checked on her and thought she was gone, because I didn't see the 
heavy breathing.
 
She did make it through the night, and I was seriously considering 
taking her in to the vet for euthanasia.  I asked her if I should, and 
was very upset I wasn't strong enough to make that decision.
 
Well, now she actually looks a little bit better.  She's very weak, 
but she seems more alert and her breathing, while still fast, isn't 
quite as labored and she's not breathing through her mouth.  It could 
be the dexamethasone making some sort of difference.
 
And then the strangest thing of all happened, she ate about 1 and a 
half tablespoons of pureed liver, by licking it off the back of a 
spoon.  This is the first time in two weeks since this started, that 
she didn't gag at the very sight/smell of food.  I couldn't believe 
she actually ate.  She must not be feeling as nauseous, and so far she 
hasn't vomited today.
 
I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but this is the first positive 
thing that has happened for her in two weeks.  I guess we'll just have 
to wait and see how she does over the next couple of days.  If she's 
trying to get better, she has an awful lot to overcome yet in order to 
do so.
 
I've got a full IV bag of sub-q fluids to keep her hydrated at least.  
Just a question on that, how much fluid should she get in a day?  I 
gave her about 100ml, six hours ago, and it still hasn't all soaked in 
from under the skin at the back of her neck.
 
Cassandra
 





Re: Update on Kisa

2007-06-01 Thread Pam Norman

Cassamdra.

Do NOT attempt to express her bladder unless you are familiar with doing 
so! This is not something I would ever undertake without being sure I 
knew what I was doing as you can do real damage.  Keep her litter fresh 
so that  you can see what she pees if she is using the litter box.  If 
you are giving 100 ml a day, she should be peeing fairly normally.  I 
would make it a habit to give it at the same time each day.  Do you know 
how to do the skin test for dehydration?  Check the gums for tackiness?  
How much do you think she weighs now?


Pam

Kelly L wrote:

At 06:42 PM 6/1/2007, you wrote:




Alot depends upon her kidney function and her respiratory status. On a 
healthy 10 lb cat 2-300 cc per day is fine, but if her organs are not 
working properly it could cause a fluidover load and even make it 
harder for her to breathe. Id she peeing,,,you need to compare what 
goes in with what goes out, do you know how to express her bladder if 
you need to,

he kidneys do need to be working.
 I would feel comfortable  with 100, but I would sure call the vet and 
ask as they know he lab values and heart and lung status,,

Make sure he body temp does not drop either Have you checked her temp,,,?
Thanks for the update and I am sending many good thoughts. it is so 
very very hard when we love them so much.

Kelly




A small update on Kisa.
 
I didn't think she would make it through the night, and at one point 
I checked on her and thought she was gone, because I didn't see the 
heavy breathing.
 
She did make it through the night, and I was seriously considering 
taking her in to the vet for euthanasia.  I asked her if I should, 
and was very upset I wasn't strong enough to make that decision.
 
Well, now she actually looks a little bit better.  She's very weak, 
but she seems more alert and her breathing, while still fast, isn't 
quite as labored and she's not breathing through her mouth.  It could 
be the dexamethasone making some sort of difference.
 
And then the strangest thing of all happened, she ate about 1 and a 
half tablespoons of pureed liver, by licking it off the back of a 
spoon.  This is the first time in two weeks since this started, that 
she didn't gag at the very sight/smell of food.  I couldn't believe 
she actually ate.  She must not be feeling as nauseous, and so far 
she hasn't vomited today.
 
I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but this is the first positive 
thing that has happened for her in two weeks.  I guess we'll just 
have to wait and see how she does over the next couple of days.  If 
she's trying to get better, she has an awful lot to overcome yet in 
order to do so.
 
I've got a full IV bag of sub-q fluids to keep her hydrated at 
least.  Just a question on that, how much fluid should she get in a 
day?  I gave her about 100ml, six hours ago, and it still hasn't all 
soaked in from under the skin at the back of her neck.
 
Cassandra
 



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Re: Kissa

2007-05-31 Thread Pam Norman
I totally agree. She is suffering  all you can do for her now is to 
free her of this as soon as is humanly possible.  Please.


Pam

Tracy Weese wrote:

Please consider PTS as opposed to letting it just happen  this difficulty
breathing is distressful and painful.

Tracy 





  





Re: Anyone have experience with respiratory distress likely caused by anemia?

2007-05-31 Thread Pam Norman
I think you must realize that not being able to breathe properly is very 
frightening  very grave. It is very very hard on her to not be able to 
breathe!   Please take her to the vet or the ER  let her go. She is so 
ill  has deteriorated so far that trying to treat her any further is 
only extending her suffering.  Do not wait for her to slip away on her 
own as it is dooming her to only more suffering.   If the vet won't 
come to you, then please take her in now.


Pam

C  J wrote:
I've been searching the web for info on respiratory distress, but 
can't seem to find what i'm looking for.
 
Kisa's breathing is very rapid and deep, and she has her mouth 
slightly open most of the time.  I can't decide if I should take her 
in to be put to sleep.
 
I am just wondering if anyone has experience with this, and how long 
will an animal last in this sort of condition?  I am sure she isn't 
feeling very well at all, but I don't know if she is in pain, or just 
some discomfort.  If this is going to go on for days, I should 
probably put her to sleep. 
 
How will an animal die if the respiratory distress keeps getting 
worse?  Will it be a painful ending, or just a cessation of breathing 
eventually?
 
Thanks for any input.
 
Cassandra





Re: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****

2007-05-29 Thread Pam Norman
Anita, that sounds more like spraying to me  a direct reaction to the 
newcomers. Very common. In time hopefully it will decrease. I had to 
deal with it too for years. My piano was ruined  needs total 
refinishing.  But that can be done at some point. I can't cuddle my 
piano  love it  feel its warmth against my back in bed on cold winter 
nights.


Stray Cat Alliance wrote:
Ever since we added 2 kittens to our household last July (they were 
initially fosters but due to illness and other issues we ended up 
keeping them), our cat Stinky (how appropro) has been peeing 
everywhere. Thank goodness we have only one area rug -- which of 
course, he does not pee on. He pees on vertical surfaces such as 
furniture like the stereo stand, walls, in front of the front and 
basement doors. Ugh. Our house smells like vinegar and the furniture 
is ruined. My husband keeps saying, we have to get rid of Stinky. 
I'm like -- I don't think so. We'll just have to deal with it. He is 
at least 7 years old and hopefully if we ever get to move to a bigger 
house, it will stop.
 
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Re: Killing cats who pee on RUGS*****

2007-05-29 Thread Pam Norman

Good, I'm glad you are going to write.

Pam

Melissa Lind wrote:

Hi All,

I haven't been able to respond lately since I've been super busy, but I had
to read this pee thread--it hits close to home. Our Bandit started peeing in
the heat vent--only one vent--for no apparent reason. We tried every natural
remedy we could think of to change the behavior. While I agree that they are
doing it on purpose much of the time, I also think that it results from
anxiety oftentimes, not a sense of vengeance or naughtiness or
vindictiveness. Our vet suggested Prozac (fluoxitine). For $6.00 a month,
Bandit receives a half a pill a day, and I'm not kidding--overnight he
stopped peeing in the vent (or on the plastic covering the vent).

I swear by this stuff. It didn't change his attitude or anything that I can
tell--only his reactions to stress. Our vet said we may not ever know what
was stressing him out, but at least now Bandit is back to his old self. Our
vet said that not many people would have kept a cat like him (most would put
him to sleep). That just horrified me.

Then I used some of Bandit's Prozac on Cassidy (the FeLV+ who just went to
Best Friends) to stop his incessant howling at night. He was so sad--crying
all night long--after the Prozac he stopped crying immediately, but it
didn't change his behavior in other ways. He still talked and snuggled and
was just as fun as before.

So, I strongly recommend the Prozac, but I'm not a doctor, and I'm not as
experienced as half of you on this list, but that is my experience so far.
However, now I'm quite frightened about Best Friends. I'm going to write to
my contact there about this.

Melissa

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I've also know some folks use Valium.  One source on the internet  
praised Prosac.  I don't know much about it from personal experience.


Gloria



On May 29, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

  

I have heard Elavil works well for some.  My Shimmer is on the highest
allowable dose and pees on everything anyway.

On 5/29/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Some in our group have had great luck using Elavil for cats that pee
inappropriately.  I think the way it was done, was to  give it orally
(or use ear cream) for 2 weeks, then gradually reduce it (like every
other day) until the behavior showed up again, then administer as
appropriate (weekly, daily, every two days, etc).

Gloria



On May 29, 2007, at 10:08 AM, wendy wrote:

  

Anita,

Maybe changing his name would help...lol.

;)
Wendy

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Ever since we added 2 kittens to our household last
July (they were initially fosters but due to illness
and other issues we ended up keeping them), our cat
Stinky (how appropro) has been peeing everywhere.
Thank goodness we have only one area rug -- which of
course, he does not pee on. He pees on vertical
surfaces such as furniture like the stereo stand,
walls, in front of the front and basement doors.
Ugh. Our house smells like vinegar and the furniture
is ruined. My husband keeps saying, we have to get
rid of Stinky. I'm like -- I don't think so. We'll
just have to deal with it. He is at least 7 years
old and hopefully if we ever get to move to a bigger
house, it will stop.

Anita


  

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Re: Cassandra: Re: Hemobart

2007-05-29 Thread Pam Norman

Cassandra,

When you go back tomorrow, you might ask them to give her at least  150 
ml of subqs to make for the fluids she's lost in the vomiting.  Have 
them teach you how to do it too  get your supplied with the fluids, the 
IV setup  needles.  This is something you need to be able to do at home 
for her.


If the vet wants to try the Metroclopramide, have him do the 
injectable.  The pills may just come up again.  The injectable is 
something you can do too. Have him just make up the dose in prepared 
needles.


Hemoibart does affect the liver among other things. It's a nasty nasty 
bug. And as someone else has said, it's very hard to catch on a blood 
smear because one minute it is there  the next it is not. BUT 
regardless Kisa MUST be on the doxy for at least 3 more weeks. So it is 
crucial to get the vomiting under control ---  because of 
hydration, because of getting the doxy down. If she can't take the doxy, 
then she's going to get anemic again right away  with hemobart that HCT 
will go down to life-threatening levels very quickly.  If she's not 
vomiting at the vet's, then I think y ou might consider leaving her 
there until things stabilize.


Pam



C  J wrote:
It would be great if her liver issues were due to hemobart, but i'm 
not sure it can cause all the issues she has. She had very high lvls 
of bilirubin, but she wasn't anemic at all a week ago.  Her liver is 
enlarged as well, with some elevated liver enzymes, and then there's 
the vomiting 2-4 times per day with zero appetite.


Possibly the hemobart jumped on the bandwagon this last week while 
she's been weak and stressed, or hopefully it could be the cause of 
some of her problems.  It's really hard to say, but i'm constantly 
praying that its not cancer and somehow the problem can be dealt with.


Cassandra


- Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:24 PM
Subject: Cassandra: Re: Hemobart



Hey Cassandra,

I was reading up on hemobartanellosis right now, and
it says that it can cause jaundice, which is related
to the liver, I believe.  Maybe that's what's causing
the liver issues?!  I sure hope so.  Thank goodness
they found the hemobart, because it is VERY hard to
diagnose.  Half the time, they can't see the little
buggers on the slide under a microscope.  If she pulls
through this, we need to make a note for later in case
we see this again.

Praying that her liver issues are related to the
hemobart...

:)
Wendy

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Re: Kelley

2007-05-28 Thread Pam Norman
I am wondering too if she is blind.  I don't know of seizures can cause 
that but whatever neurological thing that caused the seizures might 
have. The other problem is that if she cannot blink or close her eyes 
then she cannot lubricate the surface of the eye  the vets MUST give 
her drops!  Call them  ask about that.


Pam

Kelley Saveika wrote:

No, her eyes are not reactive at all.

I don't think she can close her eyes.  I did not see her close her
eyes or blink at any point past the first seizure.

I do not know what happens when she is sleeping, though.  I will ask
when I go in to see her after work.

I'm wondering if she is blind..can seizures cause blindness?  I'm
really lost here.


On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

And her eyes are not reactive? At all?

If she can't blink, does that mean she can't close her eyes?


P

Kelley Saveika wrote:
 Well, she moved her head...but she can't blink her eyes...so it is
 hard to say if she is moving her head because i am there..

 On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How does she respond to you?



 Kelley Saveika wrote:
  Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am paying
  dearly.  They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet.  She's 
being

  monitored around the clock.  I've called up there 5 times today
  starting at 6 am and been there once.
 
  On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed
  tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about 
seeing

  her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive?
 
  
  Have you ever  had a cat before that had seizures?  My Paddy, 
who is
  now 22, had one about 2 years ago  has never had another, 
knock on

  wood. Apparently this happens.
  
  Pam
  
  
  
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Re: Kelley

2007-05-28 Thread Pam Norman
Ok, glad she can close them. But she COULD be blind. That would account 
for the non-response.


Kelley Saveika wrote:

I just got off the phone with them.  She is now sleeping with her eyes
closed.  So she can close them, she just doesn't have the reflex that
lets her know if someone is going to poke her in the eye that she
should close them.

On 5/28/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am wondering too if she is blind.  I don't know of seizures can cause
that but whatever neurological thing that caused the seizures might
have. The other problem is that if she cannot blink or close her eyes
then she cannot lubricate the surface of the eye  the vets MUST give
her drops!  Call them  ask about that.

Pam

Kelley Saveika wrote:
 No, her eyes are not reactive at all.

 I don't think she can close her eyes.  I did not see her close her
 eyes or blink at any point past the first seizure.

 I do not know what happens when she is sleeping, though.  I will ask
 when I go in to see her after work.

 I'm wondering if she is blind..can seizures cause blindness?  I'm
 really lost here.


 On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 And her eyes are not reactive? At all?

 If she can't blink, does that mean she can't close her eyes?


 P

 Kelley Saveika wrote:
  Well, she moved her head...but she can't blink her eyes...so it is
  hard to say if she is moving her head because i am there..
 
  On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  How does she respond to you?
 
 
 
  Kelley Saveika wrote:
   Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am 
paying

   dearly.  They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet.  She's
 being
   monitored around the clock.  I've called up there 5 times today
   starting at 6 am and been there once.
  
   On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
   Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're 
closed

   tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about
 seeing
   her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive?
  
   
   Have you ever  had a cat before that had seizures?  My Paddy,
 who is
   now 22, had one about 2 years ago  has never had another,
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   wood. Apparently this happens.
   
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Re: A little more on the topic of pee

2007-05-28 Thread Pam Norman
The toaster oven is NOT safe UNLESS you remember to ALWAYS close the 
door!  My Sunset became annoyed when I went out of town overnight  she 
peed into the toaster oven. I didn't suspect a thing until I tried to 
toast an English muffin. The stench was horrible!  So do NOT assume that 
toaster ovens are safe.  Cats are VERY creative. Remember what Fluffy 
did to my friends' winshield washers!


Pam

Susan Hoffman wrote:

And there was the time that Trixie got my roommate's toaster
 
It was late at night.  I was lyinjg in bed reading, pinned in place by 
cats on either side.  I smell what smells like a skunk.  So I assume 
we have a skunk in the yard.  Not the first time.  No big deal.  I 
think nothing of it.
 
Next morning my roommate mentions the skunk to me.  And how he was 
making toast at the time.  And how he felt a little ill after eating 
the toastSlowly, it dawns on us.  That was no skunk.  Trixie peed 
in the toaster.  AND HE ATE IT!  Is that why Trixie was giggling?
 
Larry is convinced that Trixie did this on purpose.  She knows mommy 
NEVER eats toast.  He's probably right.
 
The toaster has been replaced by a toaster over.  But I think I caught 
Trixie reading the schematics.  She's very clever.
 
If Trixie offers you toast, decline.


*/Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer again.
Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister.
Nina

Susan Hoffman wrote:
 This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I
 removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop
-- I
 use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned
 catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish
 drainer. Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I
wound up
 pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer.

 One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of
 strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.








Re: Update on Kisa

2007-05-28 Thread Pam Norman
I almost lost a precious one, my boyfriend kitty, to hemobart a few 
years ago. It was really scary. He had a high fever, his liver values 
were up, his HCT went down like a rock. But doxycycline saved his life. 
It is THE drug for hemobart.  I would think that the combination of the 
doxy, the fluids,  the nourishment would make her feel a lot better.


Pam

Kelly L wrote:

At 04:41 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:



I am so sorry you are both going through this. this is what we all 
face, thank goodness for wach other. I am sure Kisa was glad to have 
you visit and she must be feeling better not to be so dehydrated. 
Those are good things, I am probably way off base but is there a 
chance theliver is enlarged due to lipidosis or it it remarkably 
enlarged,
Sadly cancer is so common with our special FELV angels. I have heard 
that theri response to treatment is as good as a non FELV cat, but 
Liver cancer is a very hard one,
She is getting some much needed nutrition and those N.G. ( 
nasogastric) tubes are not uncomfortable. they just look awful...

Please keep us updated and write as often as you like,
We are all here with you.
Kelly Lane

I visited Kisa three times at the vet today, and she's going to be 
spending another night there.  They're keeping her on the IV.  They 
also put in a feeding tube through her nose, so she's got that taped 
to the top of her head, and a cone around her neck.  She seems a 
little more alert, but she didn't get up at all.  She purred while I 
pet her, but it is so hard to see her like this.
 
They found the presence of Hemobartonella, and she was looking pale, 
so they are giving her doxycycline now instead of batyril.  She 
wasn't anemic on Tuesday, but she may be now.
 
They also did an X-ray, and it looks like her liver is quite 
enlarged.  The vet figures it probably is cancer.
 
The only way to know for sure is the liver biopsy, but she is too 
weak for general anesthetic right now.
 
The nearest place where she can receive cancer treatment is 6-7 hours 
away from here.  I didn't ask yet how much this would cost.  She 
would basically start the treatment there, then the vet here could 
probably do the chemo after all the diagnosis is done.  I'm really 
now sure how feasible that would be for me.  I've got other kitties 
to look after, and a job to go to...not to mention the cost for a 
treatment that may or may not help her.
 
He suggested we wait and see how she is tomorrow after another day on 
the IV.
 
What an ordeal..why is it we have to make such hard decisions when it 
comes to the lives of our little ones?  I don't want to put her 
through a bunch of stress and pain just to have her die anyway, and 
wish I hadn't put her through so much.  Yet I find it so hard to give 
up on her.
 
Cassandra


- Original Message -
From: C  J mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:20 PM
Subject: Update on Kisa

Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa.
 
She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated

number of lymphocytes.  Therefore they believe she has a liver
disease, possibly lymphosarcoma.
 
The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her

liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't
suggest doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune
system being compromised.
 
They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really

not sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is
vomiting so easily.  They're hoping the steroid will make her
feel a little better and maybe regain some appetite.
 
I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't

eaten since Saturday night now.
 
I don't understand why this is all happening at once.  First I

watched Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months.  As soon
as he started getting better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver
failure, and died.  Now, barely a week later Kisa goes from being
a super healthy and active cat to death's door.  I haven't even
had enough time to get used to Koda being gone, now its another
crisis situation.
 
This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy, and active

cats for 12 years.
 
I used to think how awful it would be if my house burned down

while I was away and my 5 cats were inside.  What is happening
now is almost worse than that since it is so prolonged and i'm
beginning to wonder if something I am doing is causing all this
(like feeding raw food).  I've always kept my cats indoors
because I didn't want them to get run over by a car, etcbut
they seem to be no safer indoors.
 
Sorry for venting on you all, its just really starting to affect

me, both emotionally and financially.
 
Cassandra



Re: A little more on the topic of pee

2007-05-28 Thread Pam Norman
Had to laugh at this!  It never ceases to amaze me how creative kitties 
can be!


Pam

Susan Hoffman wrote:
Oh, we always close the door.  Same with the microwave.  We close 
doors on toaster ovens and microwaves to protect the food that we've 
hidden from the cats.
 
My mother was punished this morning for not getting up and cleaning 
litterboxes quickly enough.  She awoke to the smell of poop.  Two of 
her cats had managed to poop down a heating vent.  At least she has 
until winter to take the thing apart and clean it out.


*/Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

At 04:31 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


I purchased a fireplace screen at a yard sale for Cat House on the
Kings...I may be able to protect my space heater in the
fall..then again I may not
Kelly


The toaster oven is NOT safe UNLESS you remember to ALWAYS close the
door! My Sunset became annoyed when I went out of town overnight 
she peed into the toaster oven. I didn't suspect a thing until I
tried to toast an English muffin. The stench was horrible! So do
NOT assume that toaster ovens are safe. Cats are VERY creative.
Remember what Fluffy did to my friends' winshield washers!

Pam

Susan Hoffman wrote:
And there was the time that Trixie got my roommate's toaster

It was late at night. I was lyinjg in bed reading, pinned in place
by cats on either side. I smell what smells like a skunk. So I
assume we have a skunk in the yard. Not the first time. No big
deal. I think nothing of it.

Next morning my roommate mentions the skunk to me. And how he was
making toast at the time. And how he felt a little ill after
eating the toastSlowly, it dawns on us. That was no
skunk. Trixie peed in the toaster. AND HE ATE IT! Is that why
Trixie was giggling?

Larry is convinced that Trixie did this on purpose. She knows
mommy NEVER eats toast. He's probably right.

The toaster has been replaced by a toaster over. But I think I
caught Trixie reading the schematics. She's very clever.

If Trixie offers you toast, decline.

*/Nina /* wrote:

 Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee entrenched dryer
again.
 Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister.
 Nina

 Susan Hoffman wrote:
  This morning when I headed into the kitchen to feed everyone, I
  removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from the stivetop
 -- I
  use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the plates of canned
  catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside down in the dish
  drainer. Someone had peed in the frying pan overnight and I
 wound up
  pouring cat pee all over the clean dishes in the drainer.
 
  One more morning like this and I'm going to make myself a cup of
  strong coffee before anyone gets a morsel of food.






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Re: Update on Kisa

2007-05-28 Thread Pam Norman

Cassanndra.

She MUST stay on the doxy!  Be sure you have enough for a minimum of 4 
weeks after she is home. Hemobart is a really nasty bug  if you stop 
the doxy, it will come right back. 


Pam

C  J wrote:
They can't do the needle biospy here, they don't have the equipment.  
I'm thinking they need the ultrasound in order to do it.
 
Basically my options are:  to have her fully hydrated, put some food 
into her and hope she feels well enough to do the general anesthesia 
and biopsy, or to send her 6-7 hours away where they have the 
ultrasound and equipment to diagnose her with a needle.  She still 
would need the general anesthesia to put a better feeding tube in, 
though. 
 
I'm really not sure I can do the second option, nor am I sure how she 
would handle a long trip like that.
 
I guess a third option would be to just bring her home with the nasal 
tube and the plastic collar so she can't rip it out, and hope that the 
problem isn't cancer, and might clear up if we kept her properly fed 
and hydrated.
 
The vet says it likely isn't fatty liver, since she wasn't overweight, 
and didn't stop eating til she got sick, but I guess he can't know for 
sure without the biopsy.
 
Cassandra


- Original Message -
*From:* Taylor Scobie Humphrey mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2007 9:33 PM
*Subject:* Re: Update on Kisa

If you find it hard to give up on Kisa, well, DON'T!  Will you
please ask your vet if a fine-needle biopsy of Kisa's liver is
feasible?  Then she won't need general anesthesia because it's a
poke instead of an operation.  We all have some variation of other
kitties and jobs and kids and aging parents and spouses and houses
to care for.  If you can get her started at the oncologist and
then have your vet do it, that sounds ideal.

Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 28, 2007, at 6:41 PM, C  J wrote:


I visited Kisa three times at the vet today, and she's going to
be spending another night there.  They're keeping her on the IV. 
They also put in a feeding tube through her nose, so she's got
that taped to the top of her head, and a cone around her neck. 
She seems a little more alert, but she didn't get up at all.  She

purred while I pet her, but it is so hard to see her like this.
 
They found the presence of Hemobartonella, and she was looking
pale, so they are giving her doxycycline now instead of batyril. 
She wasn't anemic on Tuesday, but she may be now.
 
They also did an X-ray, and it looks like her liver is quite

enlarged.  The vet figures it probably is cancer.
 
The only way to know for sure is the liver biopsy, but she is too

weak for general anesthetic right now.
 
The nearest place where she can receive cancer treatment is 6-7

hours away from here.  I didn't ask yet how much this would
cost.  She would basically start the treatment there, then the
vet here could probably do the chemo after all the diagnosis is
done.  I'm really now sure how feasible that would be for me. 
I've got other kitties to look after, and a job to go to...not to

mention the cost for a treatment that may or may not help her.
 
He suggested we wait and see how she is tomorrow after another

day on the IV.
 
What an ordeal..why is it we have to make such hard decisions

when it comes to the lives of our little ones?  I don't want to
put her through a bunch of stress and pain just to have her die
anyway, and wish I hadn't put her through so much.  Yet I find it
so hard to give up on her.
 
Cassandra


- Original Message -
*From:* C  J mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:20 PM
*Subject:* Update on Kisa

Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for
Kisa.
 
She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated

number of lymphocytes.  Therefore they believe she has a
liver disease, possibly lymphosarcoma.
 
The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with

her liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They
didn't suggest doing this though because of the FeLV and her
immune system being compromised.
 
They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm

really not sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she
is vomiting so easily.  They're hoping the steroid will make
her feel a little better and maybe regain some appetite.
 
I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she

hasn't eaten since Saturday night now.
 
  

Re: Cassandra: Re: Hemobart

2007-05-28 Thread Pam Norman
You can find more about hemobart on the feline anemia list.  A number of 
people over there have dealt with it. I just know that doxycycline saved 
Gus's life after he spent a week in the ICU at the U of WI vet hospital 
in Madison. It was pretty awful because his brother had died there only 
a month before of a total metabolic breakdown caused initially by acute 
pancreatitis. I was so afraid I was going to lose Gus too. I went in 
every day to see him - I'm about an hour away. I'd hold him  talk to h 
im  sing to him (You Are My Sunshine over  over  over again).  I 
always wore blue because it's the color of healing, the same sweater 
every day! 

He's still with me. Still my boyfriend kitty (an animal communicator 
said he wanted to be my boyfriend!).




Pam

wendy wrote:

Hey Cassandra,

I was reading up on hemobartanellosis right now, and
it says that it can cause jaundice, which is related
to the liver, I believe.  Maybe that's what's causing
the liver issues?!  I sure hope so.  Thank goodness
they found the hemobart, because it is VERY hard to
diagnose.  Half the time, they can't see the little
buggers on the slide under a microscope.  If she pulls
through this, we need to make a note for later in case
we see this again.  


Praying that her liver issues are related to the
hemobart...

:)
Wendy

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Re: A little more on the topic of pee

2007-05-28 Thread Pam Norman

Please do tell!!

Susan Hoffman wrote:
When I have a little more time, remind me to type up the Poop Fairy 
story.  (Subtitle:  How Spot trained my roommate to give her 
strawberry ice cream and bacon and to never, never again spray her 
with water to get her off his desk.)  They hold grnges, can plot 
against you, and are capable of brilliant strategic thought.


*/C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

Oh I know they do it on purpose.  One of my cats left a nice brown
present for me right on my pillow the day we took Tomi in.  She
never did that before or since.
 
Cassandra


- Original Message -
*From:* MaryChristine mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2007 7:14 PM
*Subject:* Re: A little more on the topic of pee

i get such a kick out of the experts who say that cats don't
do this on purpose, or don't hold grudges. have they never
LIVED with them?? the little beasts know EXACTLY what
they're doing, i'm convinced of it! and, yes, are giggling
behind their paws as we discover their gifts and surprises!



On 5/28/07, *Susan Hoffman* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Oh, we always close the door.  Same with the microwave. 
We close doors on toaster ovens and microwaves to protect

the food that we've hidden from the cats.
 
My mother was punished this morning for not getting up and

cleaning litterboxes quickly enough.  She awoke to the
smell of poop.  Two of her cats had managed to poop down a
heating vent.  At least she has until winter to take the
thing apart and clean it out.


*/Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

At 04:31 PM 5/28/2007, you wrote:


I purchased a fireplace screen at a yard sale for Cat
House on the
Kings...I may be able to protect my space heater in the
fall..then again I may not
Kelly


The toaster oven is NOT safe UNLESS you remember to
ALWAYS close the
door! My Sunset became annoyed when I went out of town
overnight 
she peed into the toaster oven. I didn't suspect a
thing until I
tried to toast an English muffin. The stench was
horrible! So do
NOT assume that toaster ovens are safe. Cats are VERY
creative.
Remember what Fluffy did to my friends' winshield washers!

Pam

Susan Hoffman wrote:
And there was the time that Trixie got my roommate's
toaster

It was late at night. I was lyinjg in bed reading,
pinned in place
by cats on either side. I smell what smells like a
skunk. So I
assume we have a skunk in the yard. Not the first
time. No big
deal. I think nothing of it.

Next morning my roommate mentions the skunk to me.
And how he was
making toast at the time. And how he felt a little
ill after
eating the toastSlowly, it dawns on us. That was no
skunk. Trixie peed in the toaster. AND HE ATE IT! Is
that why
Trixie was giggling?

Larry is convinced that Trixie did this on purpose.
She knows
mommy NEVER eats toast. He's probably right.

The toaster has been replaced by a toaster over. But
I think I
caught Trixie reading the schematics. She's very clever.

If Trixie offers you toast, decline.

*/Nina /* wrote:

 Sigh. I just got through battling with my pee
entrenched dryer again.
 Nothing seems to be helping, I feel your pain sister.
 Nina

 Susan Hoffman wrote:
  This morning when I headed into the kitchen to
feed everyone, I
  removed what I thought was a clean frying pan from
the stivetop
 -- I
  use the stove as a stagingt area to get all the
plates of canned
  catfood ready -- and put the frying pan upside
down in the dish
  drainer. Someone had peed in the frying pan

Re: Please add Scamper to the CLS list

2007-05-28 Thread Pam Norman
Sam, may his road be lit by the radiance of the love that you obviously 
have for him.  He  the others will be there when you cross that 
bridge.  Sylvia Browne says that when we cross, that friends  relatives 
must stand back  wait while the animals greet us. They are first.  As 
they should be.


Pam

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please add our cat Scamper of 18 years to the CLS list. He lost his 
fight with cancer and CRF, he died in my arms. He will go to the 
rainbow bridge to reunite with his sibling Eli who passed last year of 
complications form FIV. His memory will be kept alive, so in part he 
will be be still alive.


He will be cremated, and then when my wife passes his ashes will join 
hers.


He was the kitten that did not stay down stairs in the box we made for 
him. He jumped/climbed up the stairs to our bedroom, jump/climbed up 
the comforter on our water bed to sleep with us.


Whitey Elric Bone, Regis, Luceria, Geo, Saiko, Stumpy, Marely, Eli, 
Cuddles, Butch, Romeo, Dartanion, Satan, Ni**er, Sasquash, Little Tux, 
Big Tux, and the too many others, help him at that place of rest, help 
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Re: Plastic bags

2007-05-27 Thread Pam Norman
What we should do is to bring our own reusable bags when we shop. 


Pam

Kelly L wrote:

At 08:13 PM 5/26/2007, you wrote:

Why can we lobby to have them made of a thin cardboard  so they will 
biodegrade..I hate them!!


While on this subject, don't forget to cut through the handles of all 
plastic  actually ANY bags before trashing them. Stray cats can get 
their heads caught in the handles  strangle.   So please please cut 
those loops!


For the same reason, cut through the loops of the plastic things 
holding 6 paks together.  Those things have been found around the 
necks of seals, cutting off their ability to swallow, thus starving 
them. Closer to inland home, small aniimals can get their heads 
caught in those too, or stray kittens which as they grow these things 
will tighten around their necks.


Pam




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Re: Plastic bags

2007-05-27 Thread Pam Norman
I wonder if it's not better to NOT let the lid come off completely but 
leave it attached  when the can i s empty, push the lid closed again, 
in such a way that the lid is held down under the brim o f the can.


Pam

Marylyn wrote:
While you are at it:  Please make sure lids from cans are completely 
off and not just bent back.  When I was working I found a little stray 
who was trying to lick a can clean and got his head stuck.  You have 
no idea how hard it is to get a panicked stray/feral's head out of a 
can.  I still don't know what the cat looked like.  Once he was freed 
he put a cheetah to shame with his speedy escape.







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will deal likewise 
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Francis

- Original Message - From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 10:13 PM
Subject: Plastic bags


While on this subject, don't forget to cut through the handles of all 
plastic  actually ANY bags before trashing them. Stray cats can get 
their heads caught in the handles  strangle.   So please please cut 
those loops!


For the same reason, cut through the loops of the plastic things 
holding 6 paks together.  Those things have been found around the 
necks of seals, cutting off their ability to swallow, thus starving 
them. Closer to inland home, small aniimals can get their heads 
caught in those too, or stray kittens which as they grow these things 
will tighten around their necks.


Pam












Re: Plastic bags

2007-05-27 Thread Pam Norman
I do the same thing with my used litter, then tie the bag shut, cut the 
handles  put them in a commercial dumpster near where I feed my ferals.


Pam

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

*/Wow didn't think this subject would last this long./*
*//* 
*/Anyway, I recycle my plastic bags. I dump dirty cat litter in them 
then put that into the bags that the clean litter comes in. So there 
isn't a smell./*
*//* 
*/I remember years ago one of my Mom's cats got hung up in the handle 
parts and scared him so bad that I thought he was going to have a 
heart attack. He went flying through the house with it stuck on his 
body. To top it off he was a high strung Siamese./*

*/I felt so bad for him./*
*//* 
*/In general the only time there is any plastic out is when I'm 
changing the litter boxes or garbage cans. Tazzy just sits there and 
licks it. Of course it's before it has the dirty litter in it./*
 
In a message dated 5/26/2007 8:22:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


At 08:13 PM 5/26/2007, you wrote:

Why can we lobby to have them made of a thin cardboard  so they will
biodegrade..I hate them!!

While on this subject, don't forget to cut through the handles of
all plastic  actually ANY bags before trashing them. Stray cats can
get their heads caught in the handles  strangle.   So please please
cut those loops!

For the same reason, cut through the loops of the plastic things
holding 6 paks together.  Those things have been found around the
necks of seals, cutting off their ability to swallow, thus starving
them. Closer to inland home, small aniimals can get their heads
caught in those too, or stray kittens which as they grow these
things will tighten around their necks.

Pam

*//*
 
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Re: Thinking of Caroline

2007-05-27 Thread Pam Norman
Apparently it can. When JuneAmy was with me  started having seizures, 
that was one of the things we tested for.  In her case we never found 
the reason because the lymphoma took her so soon after she got here.


Pam

Kelley Saveika wrote:

Does toxo usually cause seizures???

On 5/27/07, Diane Rosenfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Kelly, I'm so sorry Caroline isn't doing well.  Best vibes that it's the
toxo and nothing worse.  Hugs to both of you.

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Thinking of Caroline

I guess the best option is to hope and pray it is toxioplasmosis.
Brain cancer and dry FIP aren't treatable.  I told them to go ahead and
start her on the antibiotic to treat toxioplasmosis...

Kelley

On 5/27/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 She is in my thoughts and prayers!
 Hope the Vet is able to find out the cause of this.
 Take care of yourself!

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Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread Pam Norman
You should be giving her subqs at least! 

You are fast approaching the point, if not already there yet, where if 
you are not going to put in a tube to feed her  you are not going to 
consult an oncologist, that continuing as she is now would be only 
prolonging her suffering.  She is not going to just slip away naturally 
 peacefully. She is very sick, with hepatic lipidosis on top of 
everything else, plus her body is starving. If nothing further is going 
to be done for her beyond what has been, which clearly is not helping, 
then you must consider letting her go.  This is not going to turn around 
without serious intervention. I am not talking surgery, I am talking 
about insertion of a feeding tube to get critical nourishment into her  
extend her life long enough to see an oncologist  find out where or 
what the cancer is  whether treatable or not.  If that isn't going to 
be done, then there is no hope  you MUST consider her clearly declining 
quality of life  let her go.


Pam

C  J wrote:
Kisa isn't doing very well so far.Over the last week, she's been 
getting more lethargic day by day.  And now she's at the point where 
all she does is hide/sleep.  When we bring her out of her hiding spot, 
she vomits almost immediately.   The Chloropromazine didn't help the 
vomiting, so I stopped giving it.


The vomiting makes the syringe feeding all the more difficult because 
if we feed her every four-five hours, she vomits up a fair bit of the 
prior feeding.  I'm going to have to feed her a couple of times a day, 
and leave it at that.  I think food may be the least of her worries 
right now.  She's probably getting dehydrated from all the vomiting, 
though I don't know how to tell that for sure.  Her third eyelid is 
very noticeable now.  She shows very little interest in drinking, 
mainly just sticks her paws in the water and sniffs it.


Plus, even though i've been syringe feeding her since wednesday, I 
seriously doubt she's pooped at all.  I'm not sure where the food is 
going after it goes in.


She's not very responsive either, anymore.  She will purr a bit when I 
pet her, but that's about it.


I've been trying to find an oncologist, but i'm not sure she's even 
strong enough to handle an anesthetic and a liver biopsy,  or feeding 
tube insertion anymore.  Considering the vet clinics i've called don't 
know of an oncologist, i'm doubting I can find one anywhere nearby.


This is just so frustrating, but I guess I need to remember that even 
in people, once cancer gets into the liver, there's usually not much 
more that can be done.  I know someone right now who has cancer, and 
since the cancer went into her liver, the doctors have stopped 
aggressive treatment.  She has only painkillers and 6 months to live.


Everytime I think of how full of life and mischief Kisa was only a 
week ago, I begin a new batch of tears.  She was absolutely fearless, 
I could vacuum her off, nothing would scare her.  Everytime I had an 
empty box or bag out, she would be in it.  She carried a little 
stuffed panda around all the time, and would proudly announce she had 
something special in her mouth.  No matter where I hid that panda, she 
would find it.  She could break into anything, including the closets.


She's always been so loving and gentle too.  I could pet her belly, 
the only cat that would let me do that.  And when she played, she 
would be so gentle when chewing on your fingers, I always thought she 
would make the perfect kitty for a child to play with.


It's so depressing to lose the special kitties, the ones that can 
cheer you up after a long day at work.  It's going to take me a long 
time to get over the last 3 months, going through this process 3 
times.  And I know at any time, Tomi could get sick again.


I'm sorry for being so long-winded, I just can't seem to focus on 
anything else other than my kitties these days.


Cassandra


- Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



Cassandra,

I agree with what everyone says here, but am keeping
in mind that you are limited to location and funding.
That being said, even if Kisa does not get chemo, she
does need the combo dexamethasone/depomedrol shots.
They will not cure anything, but will keep her very
comfortable up to her passing if you choose not to do
chemo.  They are steroids, but much stronger than
prednisone.  I am so sorry Kisa is having to go
through this (and you as well).  Prayers going out for
both of you.  Please keep us posted.

:)
Wendy

--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Cassandra,

I just read this email.  How is Kisa doing today?  I
am not caught up yet.  I hope she's better.  Prayers
going out for both of you.

:)
Wendy

--- C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well, after going to the vet today, it's not
looking
 good for Kisa.

 She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and
 elevated number of 

Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa

2007-05-27 Thread Pam Norman
You can  call THEM in the middle of the night  ask how she is!  That's 
what I would do.


No, they will not insert a tube to tube feed her unless you ask them to. 
They can't put in a naso-esophageal tube when she is vomiting, so the 
only one that they can  put in is one that bypasses the stomach.


Do you mean the ER vet is not 24 hours?  Or do you mean that they are 
only open when the other clinics are closed?


You don't say where you are.  What city of 50,000  what city is 2.5 
hours away.  When I was debating moving to work at Best Friends in Utah, 
St George was the nearest city of any size  that was 1.5 hours away.  
Las Vegas was 4 hours.  For my kitties I would make either of those 
trips.  For the  4 hour trip, I would just stay there if I had to sleep 
in my car.


Hoping for a miracle,

Pam

C  J wrote:
The small city I live near is only about 50 thousand people, with 3 
vet clinics.  The bigger city is a 2.5 hour drive away.  They may have 
a 24 hour vet, but its not feasible to bring her there.  Tomorrow 
isn't a holiday here, we had our holiday last Monday.


There's nothing I can do to make sure she is checked up on overnight.  
I can't tell them how to run their clinic.  It sucks, but i'm sure 
they check on the animals in the evening, and would hopefully call me 
if anything is wrong.


I syringe fed her once today, and she kept it down.  I imagine they'll 
have to feed her tomorrow.  I didn't ask how that is done...do they 
normally do a tube feeding at the vet?


Cassandra

- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 04:54 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

Where are you located??? Are they going to insure she gets something 
in her tummyPlease do not hesitate to be a very SQUEEKY WHEEL...
A good thing I have learned is always to ask for a copy of lab 
results so they can always be hand carried and you have a spare copy 
at home
Make sure you get a middle of the night update Insistbe a 
B$%^H...this is your baby...
Yeah, Emergency vets are expensive,,,and tomorrow is a hOLIDAY,,,How 
far are you from the closest 24 hour vet

I am here awake most of the the night
Kelly



They are just putting her on IV for the night.  I'm going to get the 
previous blood test results and urinalysis from the other vet faxed 
over tomorrow morning.


I imagine they will only check on her when the on-call vet is at the 
clinic.


This is the problem with kitties getting sick on the weekends.  All 
the vet clinics around here are only open regular business hours, 
and til noon on saturdays.  If you have to see a vet on the weekend, 
its an on-call vet, and you get charged something like $100 to see 
that vet.


Cassandra
- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 04:03 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:

What are they doing for her.
are they force feeding???Do they have labs to work off???How often 
are they checking on her??Private email me if you can

[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Unfortunately, its just an emergency vet, not an 24 hour vet.  We 
don't have any 24 hour vet clinics around here.  So basically, the 
on-call vet will probably only check on her when he happens to be 
at the clinic.


So i'm just praying she makes it through the night ok.

Cassandra

- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: To Cassandra Re: Kisa



At 02:57 PM 5/27/2007, you wrote:


I am so sure would would love to be with you, but you are right, 
she needs medical care right now. they will teach you to give 
fluids at home and the medications she need. giving injections is 
so easy, Your baby needs you to be strong and make the best 
decisions for her and it looks like you have,
The emergency vets are open all night and if she were to take a 
turn for the worse and you would need to make that awful decision 
just tell them to call you so you can go there and have her 
safely and warmly un your arms in her favorite blanket. Ask them 
if you can bring he favorite things to her and they will let you 
be with her as much as you want to,Feel free to email and 
post all night and email me privately any time and I will 
respond, It is so hard, but you are doing what is best for your 
baby.

Kelly


Thanks all,

Well I took Kisa to the emergency vet just now.  It tears me up 
to have to leave her there overnight, and possibly have her die 
away from home, but i'm hoping that an IV will make her feel 
better.   I don't know if she seems so sick because of her 
disfunctioning liver and the toxins in her body, or because she 
is dehydrated, but I hope something helps.


I'll have to get her records faxed from her previous vet, but at 
least this place is cheaper, and hopefully more willing to 

Kelley

2007-05-27 Thread Pam Norman



Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed 
tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about seeing 
her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive?




Have you ever  had a cat before that had seizures?  My Paddy, who is 
now 22, had one about 2 years ago  has never had another, knock on 
wood. Apparently this happens.


Pam



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Re: Kelley

2007-05-27 Thread Pam Norman

How does she respond to you?



Kelley Saveika wrote:

Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am paying
dearly.  They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet.  She's being
monitored around the clock.  I've called up there 5 times today
starting at 6 am and been there once.

On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed
tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about seeing
her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive?


Have you ever  had a cat before that had seizures?  My Paddy, who is
now 22, had one about 2 years ago  has never had another, knock on
wood. Apparently this happens.

Pam



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Re: Kelley

2007-05-27 Thread Pam Norman

And her eyes are not reactive? At all?

If she can't blink, does that mean she can't close her eyes?


P

Kelley Saveika wrote:

Well, she moved her head...but she can't blink her eyes...so it is
hard to say if she is moving her head because i am there..

On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

How does she respond to you?



Kelley Saveika wrote:
 Yes, I can see her at any time - I better be abel to as I am paying
 dearly.  They aren't closed..she's at the emergency vet.  She's being
 monitored around the clock.  I've called up there 5 times today
 starting at 6 am and been there once.

 On 5/27/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Is there any way you can see Caroline tomorrow? If they're closed
 tomorrow, isn't there a vet on call that you can contact about seeing
 her? Did they say what they mean about being non-responsive?

 
 Have you ever  had a cat before that had seizures?  My Paddy, who is
 now 22, had one about 2 years ago  has never had another, knock on
 wood. Apparently this happens.
 
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Plastic bags

2007-05-26 Thread Pam Norman
While on this subject, don't forget to cut through the handles of all 
plastic  actually ANY bags before trashing them. Stray cats can get 
their heads caught in the handles  strangle.   So please please cut 
those loops!


For the same reason, cut through the loops of the plastic things holding 
6 paks together.  Those things have been found around the necks of 
seals, cutting off their ability to swallow, thus starving them. Closer 
to inland home, small aniimals can get their heads caught in those too, 
or stray kittens which as they grow these things will tighten around 
their necks.


Pam




Re: Update on Kisa

2007-05-25 Thread Pam Norman
If you give her a can of A/D or of MaxCal per day,  depending on what 
she weighs, that would be ok.  But you don't have time anymore to build 
up to that, she needs it now if she is yellowing. Your vet should know 
that!  Her liver is probably having a hard time because her body is 
not getting food!   Your vet should know that too!  The more time that 
passes with her not getting sufficient food into her, the more jaundiced 
 sicker she will become.  If she were my cat, I would treat the hepatic 
lipidosis - because that is what she has now! --- first  worry 
about the cancer later.


Pam

C  J wrote:
I believe the vet  said it was likely a lymphoma due to the 
lymphocytes being high in the blood.  And I am using prednisone right 
now.


I am syringe feeding her even though its terribly stressful on both 
her and me, but how do you tell the calorie amount in a food?  All I 
can see on the cans is a breakdown of the protein, fat etc.  Does fat 
= calories?


The vet said I shouldn't be giving her a food high in fat, that it 
would be too hard on her liver since its already having a hard time.


The vet gave me a cardiovascular food, that i'm supposed to add a bit 
of potassium and vegetable oil to, and blend up.


Cassandra
- Original Message - From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: Update on Kisa


Do they mean cancer or do they mean lymphoma?  Because if lymphoma, 
you can treat that with prednisone. It's not the drug of choice IF 
you are going to do chemo, but if you are not going to do chemo  it 
IS lymphoma, then pred would be an option.


But if she's not eating, she will weaken  die if she does not get 
hepatic lipidosis before that. In which case in her already weakened 
state there would be little hope. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but when 
a cat doesn't eat, things don't work out.  And an FeLV cat is even 
more vulnerable.
If it's lymphoma as opposed to cancer somewhere, you might buy some 
time with pred. But if she doesn't get high caloric food into her 
(either AD or Eukanaba's MaxCal),  at least a can a day, she will not 
make it.


Pam

C  J wrote:

Thank you all for your suggestions.
 I went to the vet today and got some injectable chloropromazine.  
They said it should help with the vomiting, though it is also a 
sedative. Kisa still vomited this evening, about 3 hours after a 
syringe feeding, but hopefully they drug just needs more time to work.
 The vet got back some blood test results, and says that it looks 
like cancer.  They can't know for sure without a biopsy, but they 
don't suggest doing that.
 So really i'm left with not really knowing for sure what is going 
on. They won't do chemo without a definite diagnosis for cancer.  
I'm not sure if I could afford that anyway...they didn't say exactly 
how much it would cost, but said it wouldn't be a good idea to spend 
thousands on FeLV+ cat with a poor prognosis.
 Kisa is absolutely hating the syringe feedings.  She's all of 6-7 
pounds and it takes both my husband and I to hold her.  For a weak 
kitty she sure can put up a fight.  By the time we're done, she's 
got food all over herself, and us. I don't think she's going blind, 
because she takes off like a shot after the feeding.
 We allow her into our bedroom at night now...our bedroom is 
reserved for sick kitties only.  She really seemed to enjoy that, 
and even crawled under the covers and curled up to me purring.  I 
haven't seen her that happy in awhile.  But this mornign at 5:30 am, 
I woke up to a huge puddle of orange pee (filled with Bilirubin) 
right between us.  She didn't even try to use the litter box or even 
squat to pee.
 Well we were up after that trying to wash some of the bedding 
before going to work.
 It sure has been a long haul here, I can only hope somehow it will 
work out.

 Cassandra

- Original Message -
*From:* C  J mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:20 PM
*Subject:* Update on Kisa

Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa.
 She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number
of lymphocytes.  Therefore they believe she has a liver disease,
possibly lymphosarcoma.
 The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her
liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't
suggest doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune
system being compromised.
 They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not
sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so
easily.  They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little
better and maybe regain some appetite.
 I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't
eaten since Saturday night now.
 I don't understand why this is all happening

Re: Update on Kisa

2007-05-24 Thread Pam Norman

Cassandra,

Please join the AssistedFeeding list on y ahoogroups.

Also you may have to consider a feeding tube for Kisa. It is essential 
that she get food  if she is throwing it up, the only thing left may be 
tube feeding. It is not the bugaboo that many think. I tube fed Otto for 
6 weeks  it was a piece of cake. He had a PEG tube that went directly 
into his stomach.


Kisa needs food.  She is only going to go downhill if she doesn't get it 
 keep it down.


Pam

C  J wrote:
Ugh, Kisa vomited again about 3 hours after I syringe fed her and gave 
her the pills.  There seemed to be quite a bit of food vomited up.  I 
hoping that a few hours is enough to absorb the pills and get some 
nutrition?
 
I syringe fed her some more, and am hoping she can keep that down.  It 
seems like I have the most luck with her keeping things down if I give 
them right after she vomits.
 
This syringe feeding is sure an awful process.  She hates it so much, 
and the food gets all over her and me.
 
Cassandra


- Original Message -
*From:* C  J mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:20 PM
*Subject:* Update on Kisa

Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa.
 
She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number

of lymphocytes.  Therefore they believe she has a liver disease,
possibly lymphosarcoma.
 
The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her

liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't
suggest doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune
system being compromised.
 
They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not

sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so
easily.  They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little
better and maybe regain some appetite.
 
I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't

eaten since Saturday night now.
 
I don't understand why this is all happening at once.  First I

watched Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months.  As soon
as he started getting better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver
failure, and died.  Now, barely a week later Kisa goes from being
a super healthy and active cat to death's door.  I haven't even
had enough time to get used to Koda being gone, now its another
crisis situation.
 
This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy, and active

cats for 12 years.
 
I used to think how awful it would be if my house burned down

while I was away and my 5 cats were inside.  What is happening now
is almost worse than that since it is so prolonged and i'm
beginning to wonder if something I am doing is causing all this
(like feeding raw food).  I've always kept my cats indoors because
I didn't want them to get run over by a car, etcbut they seem
to be no safer indoors.
 
Sorry for venting on you all, its just really starting to affect

me, both emotionally and financially.
 
Cassandra



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Re: Benjamin and Sasquatch

2007-05-23 Thread Pam Norman

Where is it? And where did the name come from?

Pam

Sherry DeHaan wrote:
 
It is called Crash's Landing and Sids.Sids is the felv and fiv 
kitties.And Crash's is where the 100 or more disease free kitties 
are.I volunteer at both.And love them ALL!! :)


*/Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

Where is your sanctuary? Does it have a name? Wonderful that you are
taking care of so many.

Pam

Sherry DeHaan wrote:
 Hi Pam,I know Dr.Jen is going to try what she can.These 2 are a
couple
 of our 88 sanctuary kitties.They are fiv and felv. So it would be
 pretty hard to feed them special foods.Unless someone takes them
home
 to take extra care for them.Which she does if she can.Thank you soo
 much for your info.
 Sherry

 */Pam Norman /* wrote:

 Sherry,

 IBD can be treated with a change in diet. Elimination of all dry
 food 
 switch to an IBD diet - in my Paddy's case it's Royal
Canin's
 Duck  Green Pea or Venison  Green Pea. Paddy was also on
 prednisolone
 for quite a while but he's ok now. Still eats that food  is on
a low
 maintenance dose of the predniosolone primarily for lumbarsacral
 arthritis. He's 22.

 An intestinal cancer could be detected perhaps by ultrasound /or
 xray.
 Can she feel anything?: Some vets are able to palpate to feel
 thickened
 intestinal walls which is indicative of both IBD  GI lymphoma.

 What you have so far is not a sufficient diagnosis to be making any
 decisions. You need the vet to be more specific. Yes, it is hard to
 diagnose IBD  lymphoma but I would not give up on them at all at
 this
 point without further diagnostic work.

 Pam

 Sherry DeHaan wrote:
  Hi everyone,once again I need to ask for good thoughts and
 prayers for
  these sweet boys.Benjamin is a sweet loving black boy and
 Sasquatch is
  a sweet loving gray boy.Dr. Jen thinks they both might have some
 form
  of Irritable bowel problems.Or worse intestinal cancer.She has the
  hospitalized and is doing all that she can to get them feeling
 better
  again.So please add them both to your prayers and thank you for
 being
  my support group.
  Sherry
 
 


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Re: Update on Kisa

2007-05-23 Thread Pam Norman
Food is very very important. Cats cannot go without food for very long 
without running the risk of feline hepatic lipidosis which is what you 
do NOT want to have to deal with on top of everything else.  You must 
get her to eat a good high calorie diet whether you finger feed, 
spoonfeed, syringe feed.  There is is a wonderful Assisted Feeding list 
on yahoogroups  I strongly urge you to join it. I cannot emphasize too 
strongly the importance of her eating. A teaspoon here  there won't do 
it. She has to have a full calorie regimen EVERY day!


Pam

Taylor Scobie Humphrey wrote:
Oh, Cassandra, what an incredible bummer.  I guess livers don't get 
needle biopsies, huh?  Also, I wonder why they didn't give her an 
anti-nausea pill or liquid if she hasn't eaten since Saturday.  Do you 
know a veterinary oncologist?  They truly make a big difference.


You must feel just overwhelmed.  Believe me, we've all been there and 
we're all praying for little Kisa.


Taylor Scobie Humphrey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On May 22, 2007, at 8:20 PM, C  J wrote:


Well, after going to the vet today, it's not looking good for Kisa.
 
She has elevated bilirubin in her blood/urine, and elevated number of 
lymphocytes.  Therefore they believe she has a liver disease, 
possibly lymphosarcoma.
 
The only way they can tell for sure what the problem is with her 
liver is to do a biopsy which means surgery.They didn't suggest 
doing this though because of the FeLV and her immune system being 
compromised.
 
They gave me prednisone and baytril for her, though i'm really not 
sure how she'll handle keeping those down when she is vomiting so 
easily.  They're hoping the steroid will make her feel a little 
better and maybe regain some appetite.
 
I've really got to try and get her to eat something, she hasn't eaten 
since Saturday night now.
 
I don't understand why this is all happening at once.  First I 
watched Tomi get sicker and sicker for nearly 2 months.  As soon as 
he started getting better, Koda got sick with kidney and liver 
failure, and died.  Now, barely a week later Kisa goes from being a 
super healthy and active cat to death's door.  I haven't even had 
enough time to get used to Koda being gone, now its another crisis 
situation.
 
This is all after having nothing but healthy, happy, and active cats 
for 12 years.
 
I used to think how awful it would be if my house burned down while I 
was away and my 5 cats were inside.  What is happening now is almost 
worse than that since it is so prolonged and i'm beginning to wonder 
if something I am doing is causing all this (like feeding raw food).  
I've always kept my cats indoors because I didn't want them to get 
run over by a car, etcbut they seem to be no safer indoors.
 
Sorry for venting on you all, its just really starting to affect me, 
both emotionally and financially.
 
Cassandra









Re: Great Snake evening excitement

2007-05-23 Thread Pam Norman

Diane,

How was it cured?  How long did she have it?  Was she on a special 
diet?  I'd really like to hear more. Every bit of information is 
helpful. It is just an awful bug.  Changes one's life.


Pam

Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote:

My mother had Cdiff for a while, and it was pure misery.  You have my
sympathies.

Diane R. 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pam Norman
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 4:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Great Snake evening excitement

I took Augmentin last year for a cat bite  next thing I knew I was 
deathly ill with Cdiff (clostridium difficile). Lost  30 pounds in 3 
months, was on Flagyl for 8 weeks with 2 relapses, went on Vancomycin  
am still on it  8 months later. I will not take a broad spectrum 
antibiotic again unless it is direly necessary  even then I will be 
sure to take Vanco with it. And me with 10 cats of my own,  a 
semi-feral colony of 4.  I honestly don't know what is worse, an 
untreated cat bite or Cdiff. 


Pam

Kelly L wrote:
  

At 01:10 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote:




 Yup, I am a nurse so I know about cat bites,,,it is the only thing  
i realy go to the doctor for for treatment and already started 
antibiotics
  

Kelly


Please be very careful with the cat bites.  I know you will be but 
have to say it anyway.  I little feral broken a finger (much to the 
dismay of an entire hand practice at a  university here).  I had 
surgery twice. Immediately to repair some damage and later 
(supposedly) to repair the nail bed.  The last surgery was after a 
very long course of antibiotics.  Instead of repairing the nail bed 
they wound up cleaning out the wound again.  Seems like it was very 
infected with no outer signs of infection.  Some of these bugs can 
get into the bone and fester for months or years.  I am not saying 
this to scare you just to ask that you keep an especially close eye 
on the situation.  Your cats value you much too much to let you spend
  


  

too much time at a hospital.






If you have men who 
will exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis

- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:47 PM
Subject: Great Snake evening excitement


  
Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats 
curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird, 
a gopher  or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes from



  
the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and knees,,,shooing the 
cats away and heard a very irritated snake under the dresser. i 
could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a rattle snake,,,So now 
what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried to get them out with 
out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite hiding place,,I did not



  

want to leave as i needed to keep track of the snake, I tossed a few



  

cats in the bathroom,,slammed the door,,,got one into the closet and



  
scared a few into my cat inclosure and locked them out, that left 
only 4 more,

I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived a



  
few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to 
get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and 
was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good, 
Several very deep bites but I got her out,
Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like 
a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the 
vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see 
him,,,
the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake 
in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!!
What is strange is I have a pair of  Red Tail hawks nesting in my 
palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my window,,,each



  
day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was just 
commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm

Kelly





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Re: Great Snake evening excitement

2007-05-23 Thread Pam Norman
I'm sorry. Didn't mean to bring up memories of sad times. 


Pam

Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote:

She actually picked it up in a nursing home, and it lasted for months as
I remember.  I think her poor bowels were already compromised by another
bug she had when she went in there.  I don't think she was on any
specific diet, just nursing home food (in fact at one point she
mentioned getting sauerkraut as a side dish, which I thought
wasill-advised).  I don't remember what meds she was getting either,
sorry.  It was all part of a very sad spiral in her health and her life,
and I guess I've sorta blocked the details. ;-)

Diane R.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pam Norman
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:31 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Great Snake evening excitement

Diane,

How was it cured?  How long did she have it?  Was she on a special 
diet?  I'd really like to hear more. Every bit of information is 
helpful. It is just an awful bug.  Changes one's life.


Pam

Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote:
  

My mother had Cdiff for a while, and it was pure misery.  You have my
sympathies.

Diane R. 


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pam Norman
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 4:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Great Snake evening excitement

I took Augmentin last year for a cat bite  next thing I knew I was 
deathly ill with Cdiff (clostridium difficile). Lost  30 pounds in 3 
months, was on Flagyl for 8 weeks with 2 relapses, went on Vancomycin

 
  
am still on it  8 months later. I will not take a broad spectrum 
antibiotic again unless it is direly necessary  even then I will be 
sure to take Vanco with it. And me with 10 cats of my own,  a 
semi-feral colony of 4.  I honestly don't know what is worse, an 
untreated cat bite or Cdiff. 


Pam

Kelly L wrote:
  


At 01:10 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote:




  

 Yup, I am a nurse so I know about cat bites,,,it is the only thing



  
i realy go to the doctor for for treatment and already started 
antibiotics
  


Kelly


  
Please be very careful with the cat bites.  I know you will be but 
have to say it anyway.  I little feral broken a finger (much to the 
dismay of an entire hand practice at a  university here).  I had 
surgery twice. Immediately to repair some damage and later 
(supposedly) to repair the nail bed.  The last surgery was after a 
very long course of antibiotics.  Instead of repairing the nail bed 
they wound up cleaning out the wound again.  Seems like it was very 
infected with no outer signs of infection.  Some of these bugs can



  
get into the bone and fester for months or years.  I am not saying 
this to scare you just to ask that you keep an especially close eye 
on the situation.  Your cats value you much too much to let you


spend
  
  

  


too much time at a hospital.






If you have men who 
will exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.

 St.



  

Francis
- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:47 PM
Subject: Great Snake evening excitement


  

Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats 
curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird,
  


  

a gopher  or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes
  

from
  

  
  


the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and knees,,,shooing the
  


  
cats away and heard a very irritated snake under the dresser. i 
could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a rattle snake,,,So now 
what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried to get them out with 
out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite hiding place,,I did
  

not
  

  
  


want to leave as i needed to keep track of the snake, I tossed a
  

few
  

  
  


cats in the bathroom,,slammed the door,,,got one into the closet
  

and
  

  
  

scared a few into my cat inclosure and locked them out, that left 
only 4 more,

I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived
  

a
  

  
  

few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to 
get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and
  


  
was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good, 
Several very deep bites but I got her out,

Well we got the snake out and once

Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee - and still more pee

2007-05-22 Thread Pam Norman
Well, it might just keep them all so distracted that Sammy wouldn't 
think to search out the purse!


Pam

MaryChristine wrote:
only this group would think that adding more cats could solve a cat 
problem!


On 5/22/07, *Susan Hoffman* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Throw in a third cat?  That will alter the dynamic.


*/Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

I'm thinking of contacting the fire department to see if I can
lease one of those airplanes that dump water/chemicals on
fires.  I could fill the hold with anti-stink and have them
dump it on my house.

My sister has all of two cats and one of them climbed on her
table yesterday and while Connie watched in horror. squatted
and peed in her very expensive, (well previously expensive)
purse.  Of course this is a rescue kitty that I begged her to
adopt from me.  She loves Sammy, he's a sweet, sweet boy that
cuddles under the covers with her at night, but she's been
asking me what to do about this and I'm running out of ideas. 
This is the third time he's done his inappropriate urinating

in the last couple of months.  The first time was in one of
those cardboard scratching boxes on the floor, the second was
in my dad's backpack while he was visiting, and now the purse
that Tux treats like his mother, (Tux has been known to seek
out this purse and rub and nurse on it).  She's already taken
Sam to the vet for a check up and urinalysis; he's healthy as
can be.  She's added additional litter boxes.  That seemed to
help for a little while and he uses them most of the time. 
The two cats get along for the most part, but Sammy is older
and they do sometimes scuffle when Tux becomes too energetic. 
(You may remember Tux as the kitty that gave us all a scare

when he went missing for 3 days and ended up being locked in
the attached garage the entire time).  I'm pretty sure this
has something to do with the dynamic between the two cats,
(Sam is Connie's cat and Tux is more bonded to her son
Justin), or at least some sort of territorial/jealousy thing. 
I suggested keeping Sam confined to her bedroom for a couple

of days to see if he appreciates the alone time, and a litter
box that is not contaminated with Tux smells.  I thought she
could try that at least when she's not home, but she doesn't
want to segregate Sam.  Sam used to be an indoor/outdoor cat
that never used litter in the house.  I'm wondering if the
problems would stop if he had access to the outside, but
Connie lives in coyote country.  I suggested a trip to Home
Depot to construct an attached outdoor habitat, but she thinks
that's extreme.  Ha!  She don't know extreme!  Anyone have any
suggestions?
N

MaryChristine wrote:

we really have to get these cats of ours jobs--they have WAY
too much time on their paws to sit around and figure these
things out.

and yes, mine have managed to baptize the area in front of
the dryer, as well. i just pour the anti-stink straight
on the floor there sigh.



On 5/21/07, *Nina*  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Thanks for the sympathy.  The dryer is such an ingenuous
touch.  How
clever this particular little fiend is, (I don't know
which of my clan
is the culprit).  Not only does the dryer bake in the
fragrance, but
it is then carried about all over the house, (not to
mention everywhere
I might travel).  It's so darn efficient of them!  All
the fabric throws
covering the furniture are now pre-marked :-) .
Nina

elizabeth trent wrote:
 Oh no!  Nina, you have all my sympathy.  Ode de kitty
toilette is
 definitely not the nicest fragrance - especially for
warm weather.
 Have you tried spraying with 'Urine Gone'?  That helps
me a lot
 with Shakiti (aka - magic marker) in the house.  I saw
some a CVS last
 week.  You can order it online too.  I am so sorry!

 elizabeth





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Re: ot - Ever ubiquitous pee - and still more pee

2007-05-22 Thread Pam Norman
Hey, I've got 10!  It seems to be my number!  It's a little bit nuts at 
dinner time. But no pee problems. Yet.


Pam

Nina wrote:
Yea, I remember 5 fondly.  I also remember thinking how crazy it was 
to have so many cats.  I guess there's crazy and then there's CRAZY.

N

MaryChristine wrote:

i always liked five.. tho i can barely remember that far back.


On 5/22/07, *Nina* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:


Ha!  I told her that!  I even have another tuxedo cat that would
fit in nicely with her color scheme, (both Tux and Sam are
tuxies).  Connie's not going for it though.  I think it's a great
idea.  I remember reading somewhere that the perfect number for
cat dynamics is something like 5 or 6 cats.  I'm perfectly happy
to accommodate her with meeting that quota, but she's hesitant
for some reason :-) .
N

Susan Hoffman wrote:

Throw in a third cat?  That will alter the dynamic.







Re: OT: on the subject of pee (long)

2007-05-22 Thread Pam Norman

Nina, where did you get the rollaway kitty condo?

Pam

Nina wrote:
Diane I feel for you, your housemate and of course Doyle.  I think 
it's a good idea to give Doyle his own space when you're not home, or 
when he's not directly under your protection.  I've used the feliway 
stuff too, (I did find a generic brand that was cheaper), I used the 
flower essences in the water bowls too.  I don't know if that stuff 
really helps or just makes me feel like I'm doing something/anything.  
It does certainly sound like Doyle is not ready or comfortable enough 
to be in general population.  Working with ferals, (and Sophie 
Matilda, my resident psycho kitty), has taught me to take it very slow 
and to not be hesitant to go back a couple of steps in the 
acclimation/taming process when things are not progressing.  I just 
ordered this great condo cage that has wheels for easy movement.  I 
got it for about $80 bucks.  I'd set up something like that in Doyle's 
room and feed him in there to get him used to using it.  Have 
something like a small open travel crate in there to give him privacy 
etc.  When you think he's ready, you could move the cage out into the 
living room while you watch tv, put him on your lap and use the condo 
cage if you think he's getting stressed.  You might even want to 
partially cover the cage to make him feel even more secure.  You can 
always roll it back into his room and open up the cage door if he's 
too nervous about it at first.  I'm betting if you make him 
comfortable in his room, (a screen door so he can watch and hear the 
household activity, scheduled time spent with him), maybe even his 
comfort table in there propped against a window to watch the world 
from), he'll start to regain some confidence and stop the peeing 
behavior.  Does he have a cat buddy that he actually likes spending 
time with?  Maybe you could let that particular cat in Doyle's room 
with him from time to time for supervised visits.  Later, when you 
think he's ready, you could start releasing him when it's time to go 
to bed and everyone is more settled.  You just have to keep coming up 
with novel approaches and do your best to put yourself in his paws.  
It will work out.  I don't know why it continues to surprise me, but I 
try to never say never.  Patience and caring have resolved so many 
situations that I thought might never work out.  Keep the faith,

Nina

Rosenfeldt, Diane wrote:
My housemate and I are having a new and interesting problem with our 
Doyle.  We've had him about 2 years and this has just started.





Re: Great Snake evening excitement

2007-05-22 Thread Pam Norman
I took Augmentin last year for a cat bite  next thing I knew I was 
deathly ill with Cdiff (clostridium difficile). Lost  30 pounds in 3 
months, was on Flagyl for 8 weeks with 2 relapses, went on Vancomycin  
am still on it  8 months later. I will not take a broad spectrum 
antibiotic again unless it is direly necessary  even then I will be 
sure to take Vanco with it. And me with 10 cats of my own,  a 
semi-feral colony of 4.  I honestly don't know what is worse, an 
untreated cat bite or Cdiff. 


Pam

Kelly L wrote:

At 01:10 AM 5/22/2007, you wrote:



 Yup, I am a nurse so I know about cat bites,,,it is the only thing  
i realy go to the doctor for for treatment and already started 
antibiotics


Kelly

Please be very careful with the cat bites.  I know you will be but 
have to say it anyway.  I little feral broken a finger (much to the 
dismay of an entire hand practice at a  university here).  I had 
surgery twice. Immediately to repair some damage and later 
(supposedly) to repair the nail bed.  The last surgery was after a 
very long course of antibiotics.  Instead of repairing the nail bed 
they wound up cleaning out the wound again.  Seems like it was very 
infected with no outer signs of infection.  Some of these bugs can 
get into the bone and fester for months or years.  I am not saying 
this to scare you just to ask that you keep an especially close eye 
on the situation.  Your cats value you much too much to let you spend 
too much time at a hospital.







If you have men who 
will exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis

- Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 11:47 PM
Subject: Great Snake evening excitement


Ok..So  I am alone and head into the bedroom to see several cats 
curiously looking under the dresser. this can mean, a toad, a bird, 
a gopher  or snake,,,I have already removed a few garter snakes from 
the cats this year,,, i got down on my hand and knees,,,shooing the 
cats away and heard a very irritated snake under the dresser. i 
could not tell if it was a gopher snake or a rattle snake,,,So now 
what,,there are 13 cats in there and i tried to get them out with 
out scaring them under the dresser,,favorite hiding place,,I did not 
want to leave as i needed to keep track of the snake, I tossed a few 
cats in the bathroom,,slammed the door,,,got one into the closet and 
scared a few into my cat inclosure and locked them out, that left 
only 4 more,
I called Ashley, my cat helper to come give me a hand,,She arrived a 
few moments later,,,boots,,,rake and pail,,,but i still needed to 
get one feral out of the room,,,Well I grabbed her by the scuff and 
was almost out the door but she turned and really got me good, 
Several very deep bites but I got her out,
Well we got the snake out and once in the light it looked more like 
a poor little scared gopher snake so we took him out to the 
vineyards to release him,,, I have pictures if anyone wants to see 
him,,,
the moral of the story is ..well there may not be one,,find a snake 
in your room and go the emergency room with a cat bite!!
What is strange is I have a pair of  Red Tail hawks nesting in my 
palm tree and eating on the telephone pole out side my window,,,each 
day they seem to come home dangling a snake and i was just 
commenting that all my snakes will disappear,,,hmmm

Kelly






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