Re: [Felvtalk] ot-sneaker fip?

2008-11-03 Thread Saehwa Kang
About a year ago, stray calico kitty that we fostered, and found a great home 
for had such a bloated belly when we saw her, we thought she was pregnant! I 
thought she was 99.999% pregnant, that is how large her stomach was. We took 
her to a local vet, and they offered to do an ultrasound and palpitation. It 
turned out it the vet said some cats get that way after starving and not being 
able to eat regularly. She had presumably been dumped by someone in the area, 
and was very domesticated and sweet. She was checked for worms-- clear, FeLV 
and FIV- clear, and is the picture of health, being spoiled by her human up in 
Northern Cali.:)

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A vet can usually tell if fluid in the stomach feels like the type of
accumulation you find with FIP or not, if there is fluid, they will draw it
to see if characterisitic of FIP (straw colored) but the fluid should still
be tested.

FIP is frequently misdiagnosed.   And yes, many cats carry corona virus
their whole lives without ever developing FIP which is caused by a mutation
in the virus.

Wet fip (where you have a fluid effusion in the belly or chest cavity)
usually results in a very sick cat pretty quickly, so it's good if she's
eating, feels well, energetic, etc.

Would be good to have a vet check her belly to see what they think may be
going on in case it's something else, too, of course.

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:29 AM, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 gloria, i'd love to see the link between ANTIBIOTICS, herpes and
 lysine/arginine--since it's the latter the keeps the herpes from
 replicating. there was just some research about using lysine in shelter
 cats; it's on the winn feline foundation blog--if read incorrectly, makes
 it
 sound as if lysine doesn't do anything, but the study wasn't designed to
 test what lysine can do, but something it's never claimed to! in the last
 three months, maybe even two---www.winnfelinehealth.org.

 zithromax is a wonder drug. in persians who come into rescue with symptoms
 of uri, we don't even try other antibiotics, we head right for the
 zithro...

 and kelley, i thought that cats process FeCoV out of their systems in most
 cases after a few months if everyone in the house isn't just passing it
 back
 in forth, or if new kitties aren't coming in--which is why cats in smaller
 households are less likely to show high titres? my understanding--could be
 wrong--is that the high percentage of cats (and humans) who test positive
 on
 CoV titres is at any one time--so the same sample won't necessarily do so
 the next time. grade-school teachers, for example, are going to be much
 more
 likely to have higher titres more of the year than say, oh, 57-year-olds,
 who stay home with their cats 6 days out of 7..

 as for the age thing with FIP, the one thing i know for sure is that there
 is mounting evidence (i'm not sure if they're declared it conclusive yet),
 of a genetic predisposition for common strains of FeCoV to mutate into FIP,
 so a predisposed cat whose immune system was able to prevent that earlier
 might not be so able as its immune system failed with age. i just question
 how many cases of unknown illnesses now diagnosed as FIP actually are.
 seems
 it's the answer of choice when vets don't know what's going on, or don't
 want to be bothered finding out, so somewhat more difficult to find
 patterns.

 MC


 On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:35 AM, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hey Tonya, I might try some Azithromycin.  It's become my latest
  discovery to try for the unknown. I've used it mostly in cats/kittens
  with problem eyes.  I've read that some abx are said to affect Herpes,
  because of the relationship between the two amino acids lysine and
  arginine.  The zithro is more expensive, so that might be a
  deterrent.  IT's liquid, as are amoxi and clinidamycin, so you have to
  be able to squirt it in the mouth.
 
  Good luck,
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] seeking home for adult feluk positive

2008-10-31 Thread Saehwa Kang
This is where a pet trust and someone to adopt your kitties in these  
events would be important.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 30, 2008, at 10:29 PM, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

 This is a good thing to worry about.  Our rescue has a program which  
 takes
 in animals if someone suddenly dies (the Nod Fund), but we can't  
 take them
 all in.  It is far better to make preparations.

 Check out this link:  http://www.2ndchance4pets.org/

 On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WORRIES ME.  WHAT IF SUDDENLY CANNOT CARE  
 FOR MY
 CATS OR I DIE, WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM?  WORKING ON FINDING SOMEONE  
 NOW SO THEY
 CAN BE TAKEN CARE OF.  DORLIS
  catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm glad you're all right Tad.  I've started saying no too.  If  
 something
 were to happen to me, there's no one to take care of all the  
 critters.  Take
 care of yourself.
  tonya

 Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi Susan
 Every one has orange kitties lately...
 I just brought home a young orange boy a couple months ago
 and discovered I was having a heart attack the next morning...
 4 days in the hospital... I currently have 9 FeLV+ and 12 seniors
 and am learning to say NO
 In the mean time there are 4 6month old orange kittens in eastern  
 Mass.
 that are running out of time Help
 Tad

 Susan Hoffman wrote:

 Looks like it.

 How's your FeLv population anyway? (I have a lovely sweet FeLV+  
 girl
 --light orange/buff tabby -- living outside a house I just rented  
 in need of
 a home.)


 --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Tad Burnett wrote:



 From: Tad Burnett
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] seeking home for adult feluk positive
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 8:34 PM
 Am I still connected to this list 
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Re: [Felvtalk] tests

2008-10-29 Thread Saehwa Kang
The ELISA test takes a blood sample from the lower leg, and is  
inexpensive. It's not that accurate, as there are false positives and  
sometimes false negatives. We had 2 three month old kittens who became  
negative within 1 month, and one that became negative 3 months later.

You can retest after about 2-3 months with the Elisa again. Better yet  
is the IFA test. It checks whether the felv has reached the bone  
marrow- the vet sends a blood sample to a lab and is a tad more  
expensive but much more accurate.

However,the best alternative after a positice elisa test is the new  
PCR test. It's so new you won't see it in many google searches. It can  
detect even minute quanitites of the virus and is the most accurate  
test out there- also sent to the lab. Best after two consecutive  
positive ELISA tests.

Your kitties can fight off the virus and change to negative though  
it's not guaranteed. They probably got it from their mother. Many  
kittens can and do fight it off which is why early testinf is often  
inaccurate. In order to do so, you'll need to provide a low stress  
environment, indoor only home to reduce exposure to germs, premium  
food mostly canned (wellness, innova evo, natures variety  
instinct,etc), clean the litterbox and dishes daily and have more than  
one box, vaccuum and keep them flea and worm free, as well as spend  
time playing with the kittens and giving them affection, toys, warm  
places to sleep.

There are no guarantees but it is possible to go from positive to  
negative. Just takes dedication and having hope...

And others will tell you a felv positive diagnosis is not a death  
sentence!
There are plenty of people here who have healthy cats with felv that  
have had long lives.

I don't know about financial assistance, but you should try and talk  
to your vet about payment options. The cheapest ELISA test I found ran  
about $25-30 here in LA.

Also, you can do you best to change their positive status to negative  
in the next few months. Even if they don't, you can adopt them out  
when they are a bit older after you've tried or just try to adopt them  
out now and tell people they are positive for now but could change..


On Oct 28, 2008, at 7:51 PM, SALLY NORDSTROM [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

 I'm getting real confused about the available tests and their  
 accuracy.  Can anyone shed some light on this for me?

 I had to file a bankruptcy and can't afford testing.  Is there  
 someplace that can give me help?

 How hard is it going to be to place my rescued kittens in homes?   
 What resources should I be using?



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Re: [Felvtalk] tests

2008-10-29 Thread Saehwa Kang
I was told about the PCR test from my vet just about 2 weeks ago. I  
had never even heard of it, despite researching the other 2 tests  
extensively.

   I just tried a Google search for PCR feLV test and got lots of  
hits so try that for more info. Some of the articles on PCR are  
outdated, as this test is now currently touted as a fast, effective  
method of detection.

  We thought the IFA was the most accurate, but our vet recommended  
the PCR bc it detects actual viral DNA not just the presence of  
antigens or the body's response to the virus. It's recommended after a  
positive ELISA test.

Yes, the vet said there can be false negatives on the ELISA due to  
recent exposure, and  that it can take up to one month to show up on  
the test.


On Oct 29, 2008, at 11:12 AM, MaryChristine  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 please provide information about the PCR test you're talking about.  
 the last
 i'd heard, there were none available that wree consistently accurate  
 and
 reliable--they've been working on this for a long time and haven't  
 been able
 to establish a test that's acceptibly accurate across many labs.

 i know that they HAVE developed one for FIV to determine if the  
 virus is
 vaccine-induced or not, but as of a month or so ago, it still wasn't
 commercially available, tho it's expected to be soon.

 as far as everything i've read, at this time, the IFA is still  
 considered
 the confirmatory test for FeLV. i'd love to see anything newer.

 what has to remembered with FeLV is that, unlike FIV, the ELISA test  
 is for
 ANTIGENS, not antibodies--so a cat can test negative merely because  
 the
 exposure was too recent tos how up--so the negative isn't false,  
 it just
 was too early. likewise, false positives may be false positives from  
 all the
 things inherent in the test, but they can also be true at that time:  
 the cat
 has been EXPOSED to the virus. antigens are NOT an immune response,  
 however,
 just an indiciation that the kitty has been closely exposed to the  
 virus.

 this is where the biggest misunderstandings arise: most adult cats  
 will
 throw the virus off anywhere between 30-120 days--their immune  
 systems will
 just knock it out. then a test will be negative because there are no  
 longer
 antigens wandering around irritating them. but if you test too soon,  
 you'll
 just get another positive result because the cat's body hasn't had the
 chance to work the virus out.

 doing an ELISA and an IFA right away will probably give you the same  
 result
 on both of them, because it's the EXPOSURE that's showing up. the  
 only real
 way to know is to consider a positive result for what it is: an  
 indication
 that kitty was in close contact with someone who had the virus. (we  
 don't
 know for sure, as far as i have seen, that a cat on the edge of  
 throwing off
 the virus itself can't still pass it on, perhaps at a subclinical
 level?)--if you know when the last date the kitty could have been in  
 contact
 with another cat, test if 90-120 later than that. with the IFA  
 (or if
 there really is a DNA/PCR test newly available, that one)

 and then make the decisions.

 MC


 On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Saehwa Kang [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
 wrote:

 The ELISA test takes a blood sample from the lower leg, and is
 inexpensive. It's not that accurate, as there are false positives and
 sometimes false negatives. We had 2 three month old kittens who  
 became
 negative within 1 month, and one that became negative 3 months later.

 You can retest after about 2-3 months with the Elisa again. Better  
 yet
 is the IFA test. It checks whether the felv has reached the bone
 marrow- the vet sends a blood sample to a lab and is a tad more
 expensive but much more accurate.

 However,the best alternative after a positice elisa test is the new
 PCR test. It's so new you won't see it in many google searches. It  
 can
 detect even minute quanitites of the virus and is the most accurate
 test out there- also sent to the lab. Best after two consecutive
 positive ELISA tests.

 Your kitties can fight off the virus and change to negative though
 it's not guaranteed. They probably got it from their mother. Many
 kittens can and do fight it off which is why early testinf is often
 inaccurate. In order to do so, you'll need to provide a low stress
 environment, indoor only home to reduce exposure to germs, premium
 food mostly canned (wellness, innova evo, natures variety
 instinct,etc), clean the litterbox and dishes daily and have more  
 than
 one box, vaccuum and keep them flea and worm free, as well as spend
 time playing with the kittens and giving them affection, toys, warm
 places to sleep.

 There are no guarantees but it is possible to go from positive to
 negative. Just takes dedication and having hope...

 And others will tell you a felv positive diagnosis is not a death
 sentence!
 There are plenty of people here who have healthy cats with felv that
 have had long

Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

2008-10-29 Thread Saehwa Kang
Our vet told us to hold off on both shots and spay surgery until the  
final diagnosis.  It stresses their systems and makes them weak,  
thereby making it harder for them to fight off the disease...

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 29, 2008, at 2:29 PM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:

 Sally, I personally would not vaccinate a positive cat. See Jean  
 Dodds'
 and Charles Loop's (both vets) views here. (The paragraph below is  
 taken
 from the website.) Kerry M.

 http://www.newsagepress.com/protectyourpet.html

 All packages of vaccinations carry warnings that they should be
 injected only in healthy animals. In the case of cats, vaccine
 manufacturers advise against vaccinating pregnant or nursing cats.
 However, many pets are not healthy when vaccinated although they might
 not have outward signs of health problems. Charles Loops, DVM, a
 holistic veterinarian from Pittsboro, North Carolina, notes that
 chemically killed viruses or bacteria are injected directly into the
 blood stream, which is an unnatural route of infection. (7) This  
 causes
 the animal's antibodies to attempt to fight off the offending virus
 molecules and render them harmless. If the animal's immune system is  
 too
 weakened, he or she cannot fight off these viruses and can develop a
 reaction to the vaccine. Even small amounts of a virus that is
 introduced through a vaccination may be too much for sick animals to
 fight off. They then may fall ill from the very disease to which they
 have been vaccinated.


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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SALLY
 NORDSTROM
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 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stray Kitty I took in tests positive

 Another question.  My kittens tested positive with the ELISA test.   
 May
 they have their vaccines?  Mom gets tested Friday.  If positive, may  
 she
 have her vaccines?  May she be spayed?

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Re: [Felvtalk] ALL KITTENS NEGATIVE !!!! YIPPE !!!!!!!!!

2008-10-28 Thread Saehwa Kang
That is awesome!!!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 28, 2008, at 8:20 AM, Laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

 Thanks for this...that really is great news!!

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
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 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:55 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ALL KITTENS NEGATIVE  YIPPE !

 Yes,   they get some *particles or something from nursing the Mom,  
 but if
 they have a strong immune system, they can *throw it off in time* .   
 That is
 why I waited so long to get them tested.to give the immune system  
 time to do
 that.  They say it is transferred in the Mom's milk!

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 Quote from various consumers! sigh
 I called the Pet Food Company and they said their foods are 100%  
 safe




 On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Laurieskatz  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Great news!
 Wonder if the babies are at risk if nursing? Did vet say anything  
 about
 that?
 Just curious.
 Keep sharing your message of hope!!
 Laurie


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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rosenfeldt,
 Diane
 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 9:44 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ALL KITTENS NEGATIVE  YIPPE !

 I'm so happy for your good news!!  The kittens are precious (as all
 kittens are) and the pic of THE PILE makes me want to join them  
 in the
 cage.  Here are vibes that they all find just the right homes!

 Diane R.

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 Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:49 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] ALL KITTENS NEGATIVE  YIPPE !

 This is a story that I am hoping will give those of you who have a
 positive
 Mom, with a litter of kittens, some hope!

 I was told by so many rescues and cat related people and vets etc  
 that
 because Mom tested positive, the kitten would no doubt be also.

 I was also told by the rescue I am working with, that the loner I  
 could
 wait
 to test them, the better chance they have of *throwing it off* and  
 they
 get
 it in their system from the mom's milk.

 Well, on October 13th, they *ALL* tested negative !~
 So..there is hope for kittens of positive Mom's !
 They were born between June 20th and June 27th, so waiting until  
 October
 gave them lots of time... and it worked!  Thank goodness.

 You can see lots of photos of them and read the story here on my  
 forum.
 I
 have the most gorgeous photos of each one by themselves in the bottom
 post  The first post has the story about them and videos of
 them.

 Enjoy .it is a wonderful outcome and I hope it
 encourages
 anyone who needs it :)  :)

 http://www.animalsspeak.org/2008-09-00-a-rescue-story-successful-not-suc

 cessful-sigh-t1238.html#p2015http://www.animalsspeak.org/2008-09-00-a-rescu
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Re: [Felvtalk] seeking home for adult feluk positive

2008-10-23 Thread Saehwa Kang
How did you get the rescue to take them? Are they calicos or an  
atypical type? I called 16 places all turned me down. I'm not the one  
who abandoned these kittens my dad found, but I get treated just the  
same as an owner relinquishing their cats!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 23, 2008, at 10:58 AM, Amy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Very true.  I have two outside right now that I'm trying to get  
 homes for.  I have called every rescue I know and I think I have  
 somebody that will take them but things are moving so slow.  I want  
 these kitties to have a safe place to go but I can't bring them in  
 my home because of my cats.  I feel awful for these cats.  I asked  
 my husband how they always know to find me!  If somebody doesn't  
 come through by tomorrow, I'm going to take them to a vet myself and  
 then I have no idea what next.  I hope they don't test positive for  
 anything.

 Amy


 --- On Thu, 10/23/08, Viky Digangi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Viky Digangi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] seeking home for adult feluk positive
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 1:47 PM
 I think all of us cat people are constantly trying to find
 homes for abandoned kitties.  I have spent $215 this week on
 one that was dumped on me.  Thank God she is healthy at
 least since I am the owner of an felv cat who I am always
 taking to the vet.  I spent $234 on him last week.  A friend
 of mine gave me a little placque one time that says,
 There's a sucker born every minute and the stray
 cats know where we live.

 So true.



 Viky Digangi
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 Monroe Regional Office
 318-362-5280 ext 297
 Fax 318-362-3363




 Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 10/23/2008 12:04 PM 
 Ouch.  Glad you made it.

 Yeah, with 9 FeLV+ cats and 12 seniors it is time to say
 no.  You have a lot of cats who require a lot of care right
 now.  And you need to take care of yourself too.


 --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Tad Burnett
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] seeking home for adult feluk
 positive
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 9:02 PM
 Hi Susan
   Every one has orange kitties lately...
 I just brought home a young orange boy a couple months
 ago
 and discovered I was having a heart attack the next
 morning...
 4 days in the hospital... I currently have 9 FeLV+ and
 12
 seniors
 and am learning to say NO
  In the mean time there are 4  6month old orange
 kittens
 in eastern Mass.
 that are running out of time Help
 Tad

 Susan Hoffman wrote:

 Looks like it.

 How's your FeLv population anyway?  (I have a
 lovely sweet FeLV+ girl --light orange/buff tabby --
 living
 outside a house I just rented in need of a home.)


 --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Tad Burnett
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 From: Tad Burnett
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Re: [Felvtalk] chemmo for Pupa

2008-10-21 Thread Saehwa Kang

 I just wanted everyone to know that just b/c your kitty tests positive on the 
ELISA, even twice, at month or more long intervals, it doesn't mean your kitty 
is FeLV positive. I am seeing adoption ads for people who give the ELISA test 
once, and think the kitten has to be adopted out and can't live with them 
anymore. This is not true in every case.

Lola was in this situation, and fought off the disease---probiotics, high 
quality food (Evo), indoor only home, quality interaction and love, plus low 
stress environment (no other cats, except for a few fosters which were kept 
totally separate). My Dad was diligent about trying to provide the best quality 
home he could for her, so she could knock out the disease. She did, and now she 
now has natural immunity to FeLV. Of course, it won't work in every case, but 
it shouldn't stop us from having hope...



 

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THANK YOU!!! I'm calling my vet today.
Alice
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  By this comment I was talking about CO-Q 10

   Normally 30mg is the dose given once daily, this is what my vet 
   recommended to me.

  -- 

  Belinda
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Re: [Felvtalk] New to group

2008-10-20 Thread Saehwa Kang
Oops, truncated message.
She tested 30% positive (small, faded dot) at 9 weeks.

Same at 11 weeks.

Then retested at 5.5 months old- positive again.

All 3 were the Elisa test. 

Then our vet recommended the PCR test, which he says can detect even minute 
amounts of the virus, and is more accurate than the IFA.

Test results came back-- she is negative! We believe this is a miracle, as we 
didn't hold out much hope she'd turn positive. 

So it does happen. My Dad has been feeding her EVO, and also probiotics. She is 
indoors only, up to date on her combo shot, dewormed, and really healthy 
otherwise. She had a poor appetite though for the most part. She is completely 
isolated from the other kittens we rescued, and my Dad is super vigilant about 
washing hands, keeping all areas and bedding, food, etc. separate...



-Original Message-
From: Saehwa Kang [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 6:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New to group








I just joined the group and got some good news this past Friday. Lola,  
the 6 month old feral kitten we resued tested positive on the ELISA  
test at 9 weeks, 11 weeks,

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 19, 2008, at 10:17 AM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've been mixing *except kittens* for nearly 15 years now.  I've  
 never had it transferred.  Your cats should not have a problem.   
 Good luck!
  tonya

 Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
et wrote:
  Hello,
 I have to say this is a very enlightening forum. I have learned so  
 much
 from you all! I found a stray 2 months ago at work who was in  
 terrible condition,
 near death, starving, fleas, worms, etc. She had a 'tipped' ear and  
 I found out
 later she was an Indy Feral cat who was in the TNR program. Don't  
 know whether
 she was actually 'feral' though, but I doubt it because she has  
 become quite lovable.
 Had her tested at a low cost clinic and was +. The vet there said  
 her teeth didn't
 look so good and that was typical in feral cats.
 When I took her to my regular vet, he somehow neglected to even look  
 in her
 mouth and he said as a + she'd live a couple months to a year,  
 giving a very grim
 diagnosis. I tried not to prod at her too much at first since she  
 was in such a
 delicate condition, but about a week after the vet appt, I noticed  
 she was missing
 all of her tiny teeth on the top and all but one of the little ones  
 on the bottom. I was
 horrified and it was then realized that my vet hadn't even looked in  
 her mouth.
 After nursing her back to health, she has become very healthy except  
 for some
 sneezing spells every now and then. This does worry me because  
 sometimes
 mucus comes out. She had extreme uncontrollable diarrhea
 when I first got her, which after using fortiflora for a month  0A helped a 
 lot, but did
 not cure it completely. For the last week I have been feeding her a  
 raw chicken
 diet (I have been feeding my other 3 cats this diet since February  
 with amazing results)
 and her diarrhea is completely gone.
 So she's been in my bathroom isolated from my other cats this entire  
 time, and she
 really does seem to be happy there but I hate to keep them  
 separated. I am getting
 ready to take her to the vet again to have her teeth checked out  
 because her breath
 is really terrible (seeing a different vet there though). I am  
 worried about stressing her
 out by taking her to the vet and I know they will recommend a  
 cleaning which will
 probably stress her even more, but having an unhealthy mouth would  
 be worse on
 her than the experience of a cleaning. Right?
 I have 3 other (negative) cats, 2 are adults and one is about 1 year  
 and 5 months
 (I guess you'd call her an adult, she did just have her 2nd dose of  
 the felv vax) These
 2 vets say they would absolutely NOT mix.
 My question to all of you who mix is: Have any of your negatives  
 become + ?? Any advice
 would be greatly appreciated.

 Tracey
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Re: [Felvtalk] New to group

2008-10-19 Thread Saehwa Kang
I just joined the group and got some good news this past Friday. Lola,  
the 6 month old feral kitten we resued tested positive on the ELISA  
test at 9 weeks, 11 weeks,

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 19, 2008, at 10:17 AM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've been mixing *except kittens* for nearly 15 years now.  I've  
 never had it transferred.  Your cats should not have a problem.   
 Good luck!
  tonya

 Tracey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hello,
 I have to say this is a very enlightening forum. I have learned so  
 much
 from you all! I found a stray 2 months ago at work who was in  
 terrible condition,
 near death, starving, fleas, worms, etc. She had a 'tipped' ear and  
 I found out
 later she was an Indy Feral cat who was in the TNR program. Don't  
 know whether
 she was actually 'feral' though, but I doubt it because she has  
 become quite lovable.
 Had her tested at a low cost clinic and was +. The vet there said  
 her teeth didn't
 look so good and that was typical in feral cats.
 When I took her to my regular vet, he somehow neglected to even look  
 in her
 mouth and he said as a + she'd live a couple months to a year,  
 giving a very grim
 diagnosis. I tried not to prod at her too much at first since she  
 was in such a
 delicate condition, but about a week after the vet appt, I noticed  
 she was missing
 all of her tiny teeth on the top and all but one of the little ones  
 on the bottom. I was
 horrified and it was then realized that my vet hadn't even looked in  
 her mouth.
 After nursing her back to health, she has become very healthy except  
 for some
 sneezing spells every now and then. This does worry me because  
 sometimes
 mucus comes out. She had extreme uncontrollable diarrhea
 when I first got her, which after using fortiflora for a month  
 helped a lot, but did
 not cure it completely. For the last week I have been feeding her a  
 raw chicken
 diet (I have been feeding my other 3 cats this diet since February  
 with amazing results)
 and her diarrhea is completely gone.
 So she's been in my bathroom isolated from my other cats this entire  
 time, and she
 really does seem to be happy there but I hate to keep them  
 separated. I am getting
 ready to take her to the vet again to have her teeth checked out  
 because her breath
 is really terrible (seeing a different vet there though). I am  
 worried about stressing her
 out by taking her to the vet and I know they will recommend a  
 cleaning which will
 probably stress her even more, but having an unhealthy mouth would  
 be worse on
 her than the experience of a cleaning. Right?
 I have 3 other (negative) cats, 2 are adults and one is about 1 year  
 and 5 months
 (I guess you'd call her an adult, she did just have her 2nd dose of  
 the felv vax) These
 2 vets say they would absolutely NOT mix.
 My question to all of you who mix is: Have any of your negatives  
 become + ?? Any advice
 would be greatly appreciated.

 Tracey
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Re: [Felvtalk] raw food diet

2008-10-17 Thread Saehwa Kang
Hi all,
I'm new to the forum and here to help my father with his felv positive  
kitten.

She is on EVO, but was wondering if a raw food diet would be better  
for her immunity?

Any experience with an optimal diet or feedback would be great.

Thanks,
Saehwa

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