Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky

2013-09-11 Thread Susan Hoffman
OMG, it's true.  Chicken feathers!  And they are researching worm meal too!  
http://www.forbes.com/sites/marcbabej/2013/05/29/dog-food-made-from-feathers-a-win-win-for-royal-canin/
  I'm so glad I was never that impressed with Royal Canin to begin with.


From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
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Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky


no research, just an interview with the ceo and he said well it is protein.


i like the wellness turkey mostly because that is one T hey will eat.  they 
also like Blue Buffalo duck and turkey.  NO ONE LIKES CHICKEN NO MATTER WHAT 
THE BRAND.  BEEF IS SO, SO AND FISH JUST SITS THERE UNTIL I THROW IT OUT.  
UNLESS I GET CANNED MACKERAL FOR HUMANS  THAT WE LOVE BECAUSE IT IS STINKY.  
I SWITCHED TO BLUE BUFFALO BECAUSE OF THE GRAIN ISSUE.  WHEN I DID THAT, ALL 
THE UP CHUCKING STOPPED, SO NOW, I LOOK FOR GRAIN FREE, MEAT FIRST INGREDIENTS.
 Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: 
 
  Hi,
        Could you provide a link to that? Or some other well documented source 
coroborating that information?  I use RC SO when I need to add dry, so I'd 
like to be informed, but that contradicts what my research has shown. 
        Wellness foods have been implicated in the formation of 
stones/crystals in some cats. 
 
 Margo
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Sep 11, 2013 3:16 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky
 
 WATCH ROYAL CANNIN, THEY LIST AS FIRST INGREDIENT CHICKEN MEAL WHICH THEIR 
 CEO SAID ON TV INTERVIEW IS GROUND UP CHICKEN FEATHERS.  
 WELLNESS IS BETTER CHOICE.
 
  Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
  We spent a lot of time (and almost $500) at the vet today.  The great news
  is Lucky's blood work looks real good, as do his x-rays (he does have some
  arthritis in his back).  He has no apparent blockages (tumors) in his
  urinary tract.  They did not see any crystals.  The vet did say his bladder
  is very small and looks very inflamed.  So they gave him a shot of an
  anti-inflammatory/anti-pain med (a good thing, he calmed down a lot, which
  is good to see), gave him anti-biotic (suspected u.t.i.), anti-inflammatory
  and an ocular anti-biotic/steroid for his runny (herpes) eye.  Poor little
  dude, he sure went through a lot today!  Now he's home, getting
  re-acquainted with the other cats and chilling.  Looks like I've got a 
  FLUTD
  feline here.  They gave me a prescription for another type of special food
  (Royal Canine) which I'll try (he hates the CD).  Fingers crossed.
  
  Thank you all for your words of advice, help, suggestions and
  encouragements.  Lucky thanks you too!
  
  Bonnie
  
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] metacam and prednisone

2013-05-19 Thread Susan Hoffman
I'm a fan of metacam.  I've never used it in an FeLV cat and you cannot use it 
if a cat has kidney issues, but for mild pains, like aches and sprains and 
arthritis, it helps.  But it's given in a tiny amount, weight-based, and only 
every two or three days. Don't overdo it.  Also, it is an antinflammatory so I 
would not give it with pred.  I'vr never had it prescribed with pred.

For a tumor however you may need a stronger pain med, like torbulgesic or 
buprenex, so talk to your vet about this.





 From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
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Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 5:58 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] metacam and prednisone
 

Hi all,

I posted recently about my FeLV+ girl, Ember. Since she most likely has (at 
least) a lung tumor, I'm going to get her on pain meds soon, despite the fact 
that most of the differences in her behavior are minor. Our second opinion 
vet prescribed metacam, and an oncologist who consulted with Ember's primary 
vet also recommended metacam. 

These are smart, experienced folks with lots of education. But, I'm seeing so 
much outcry over metacam online that I'm very reluctant to give it to Ember. 
I'd love to ease any discomfort she might be having, and metacam would be easy 
to give. What are your thoughts on metacam?

I'm also wondering if prednisone might be helpful in reducing any inflammation 
that Ember is dealing with. I know people on the list have used it, but I'm 
concerned about its ability to create low wbc. Ember already has that issue, 
due to being FeLV+. Would folks who have pred experience in FeLV+ cats mind 
posting your experiences?

Thanks,

Lance
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Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic. Very Thin 8 year old cat

2013-03-20 Thread Susan Hoffman
I hate to tell you this but you need to get her to a vet.  She should have a 
full blood panel, including checking thyroid values (T-4).  This could be so 
many things.  You need blood work to be able to properly diagnose and treat 
this.
 
I understand how hard it is to get a feral cat to the vet.  It took me a year 
to catch a semi-feral boy in my house and get him to the vet.  (He had severe 
stomatitis, just a horrible infection in his mouth.  But he is so much better 
now.)
 
1.  Do you have a vet who is good with hard to handle cats?  That's the first 
thing you need.
2.  Can you touch this cat at all?  Will she let you pet her when you bring 
food?  If she is at all touchable you need to get her used to neck rubs.  And 
leave an open carrier in her living space, preferably with towels and blankets 
inside.  You want her to get used to all of this because there will come a day 
when that neck rub turns into a scruff and stuff into the carrier.  (If the ca 
is absolutely unapproachable then you need to look into using a drop trap.)
 
This is a really difficult situation.  I've been there.  But for the sake of 
the cat you need to figure it out.  Her life may depend on it.
 
Oh, if you do the scruff and stuff, make sure you are fully committed.  Don't 
let go.  It will make it so much harder the next time.  Practice with a stuffed 
animal or something so you get the motions down pat.  Because when you have the 
real cat by the scruff of the neck and are tring to dump her in the carrier, 
you cannot let go till she is in the carrier.
 
When scruffing and stuffing a cat, you want the carrier up on end and the 
carrier door open.  You actually do a little flick of the wrist and let the 
cat's body weight carry her to the bottom of the carrier.  And you shut that 
carrier door real fast and keep it closed till you are in a room at the vet's 
office.  The vet may want to be ready with a sedative too.



From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 9:44 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Off Topic. Very Thin 8 year old cat


I realize this is not a FELV+ question but this group has such wide experience 
and helped so much with Dixie, I just have to try.

I have a very thin 8 year old cat who is almost impossible to vet.  She has 
lived in Mom's garage since she was a day old.  Recently she has gotten thin 
and appears cold.  I have heat lamps, a cat heating pad, Snuggle Safes and rice 
bags for her on top of rubber maid totes.  I can't be sure what she is eating 
but there is always food available and I've added Pet Tinic to the mix. She has 
two cats who hang out with her.  They have all been neutered/spayed.  Tommy has 
had weight/cold issues for at least 8 weeks.  She acts ok most of the time but 
there have been days that she looked like she was ready to leave this world.  I 
am trying chcken livers and anything else I canthink of for iron.  Any ideas 
would be greatly appreciated.    
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat proof furniture

2012-11-26 Thread Susan Hoffman
I lucked out with the most recent second hand sofa that I bought off of 
craigslist.  Not only are the arms and legs carved wood and thus harder to 
destroy by clawing, all the seat and back cushions zip off for laundering.  And 
the upholstery fabric is really thic, apparently impervious to urine.  I've 
already gotten two years out of this couch and matching chair and I may have it 
for a couple more.




From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat proof furniture


We bought beautiful new living room furniture in January and it was promptly 
covered in plastic and ugly homemade (I winged it and made them out of 
duck cloth) slip covers that can be washed.  Once all the pisser have passed 
on, we can uncover the furniture, but not until that happens ;)
 



Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:43:24 -0800
From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat proof furniture


Invaders from the XION Universe came down and changed my kids into cats.  If 
you don't like my kids looking this way, go to the XION Universe and file a 
complaint.  Furrever in love with cats. 


Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!






From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat proof furniture


Someone actually surrendered a dog to the shelter where I used to work because 
they got new furniture, and the dog no longer matched.
 
As for myself - I've given up. The sofa is covered with plaid furniture 
protectors with a waterproof vinyl backing that I got from Bass Pro Shops. I 
also use inexpensive plastic-backed canvas dropcloths from Home Depot. 
Eventually the plastic gets shredded, but they're easy to wash and cheap to 
replace. My mattress is covered with a mattress protector and a blue tarp over 
that. Sheets are changed daily, since I sleep with two dogs and a multitude of 
cats.
 
Most of my friends have multiple cats and dogs, but those who don't and can't 
accept my pets are free not to visit. I saw a doormat somewhere that read:  
For visitors who don't like my pets: They live here. You don't. I need to 
buy it.




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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat proof furniture

2012-11-26 Thread Susan Hoffman
Don't buy new.  I never buy new upholstered anything.  I buy used living room 
furniture off craigslist, always cheap but attractive.  Until my current living 
room set ($125 for couch and matching chair) with the zip-off washable cushion 
covers I simply changed the couch every year.  (Check the free section on 
craigslist as well as the furniture section.  Got a great free couch a couple 
of years ago.)




From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat proof furniture


Yeah, I understand.  I dearly love the cats (all five who live indoors with me) 
and really enjoy their company (sounds strange to some, but you all probably 
understand).  I like to look at the couch and love seat and see lovely sleeping 
felines…makes me feel fortunate!
However…being newly single it is something (ahem) to explain to possible 
suitors.  The only part I *don’t* like is that the furniture is off-white and 
has had puke, pee and ‘whatever’ tossed on it.  That and the fur.  But as I 
tell people, one day I’ll write a memoir titled, “Covered in Cat Hair: A Story 
of Love.”
After that hits the best seller list I’ll buy new furniture!
Bonnie
 
From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna 
Taylor
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 12:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat proof furniture
 
We bought beautiful new living room furniture in January and it was promptly 
covered in plastic and ugly homemade (I winged it and made them out of 
duck cloth) slip covers that can be washed.  Once all the pisser have passed 
on, we can uncover the furniture, but not until that happens ;)
 



Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:43:24 -0800
From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat proof furniture
Invaders from the XION Universe came down and changed my kids into cats.  If 
you don't like my kids looking this way, go to the XION Universe and file a 
complaint.  Furrever in love with cats. 
 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!
 



From:LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat proof furniture
 
Someone actually surrendered a dog to the shelter where I used to work because 
they got new furniture, and the dog no longer matched.
 
As for myself - I've given up. The sofa is covered with plaid furniture 
protectors with a waterproof vinyl backing that I got from Bass Pro Shops. I 
also use inexpensive plastic-backed canvas dropcloths from Home Depot. 
Eventually the plastic gets shredded, but they're easy to wash and cheap to 
replace. My mattress is covered with a mattress protector and a blue tarp over 
that. Sheets are changed daily, since I sleep with two dogs and a multitude of 
cats.
 
Most of my friends have multiple cats and dogs, but those who don't and can't 
accept my pets are free not to visit. I saw a doormat somewhere that read:  
For visitors who don't like my pets: They live here. You don't. I need to 
buy it.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bedwetting Cat sofa advice?

2012-11-14 Thread Susan Hoffman
I adopted two cats with intermittent litter box issues to a very clever adopter 
a couple of years ago.  These two -- gorgeous Maine Coon sisters -- would pee 
where they shouldn't when they were stressed, like with rehoming for example.  
This adopter covered her sofa with plastic wrap and then dabbed vinegar all 
over it.  She did this for a month while the girls settled in and bonded with 
their litter boxes.  FWIW, it worked.




From: catatonya catato...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bedwetting Cat sofa advice?


Hi, I'm Tonya. I haven't been on list for quite a while. My positive cat DD is 
doing great. She is going on 14! We had some wetting incidents over the summer, 
and I was sure we were looking at kidneys, but her vet visit found her 
healthy
 
I am pretty much the queen of waterproofing. And yes it does save heating bills 
in the winter!
 
My question is this. I have used everything mentioned for beds on sofas to no 
effect. Anyone have a peeproof sofa recommendation besides covering in plastic 
and then covering with sheets? My cat will move and pull all the plastic away 
and get some of the urine on the sofa. I have a sofa and a love seat turned 
upside down in my living room right now where I gave up!
 
tonya




From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 12:44 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bedwetting Cat



For the summer, you can get either the disposable large size pads or the adult 
mattress pads that are sold at medical supply shops for adults with bladder 
incontinence.  Hey, I'm the queen of waterproofing.  With all the cats I have 
had, there has always been a bed wetting problem with at least one or two of 
them.  Instead of screaming and tearing my hair out and dumping the cat out 
the door, I used some of my elderly mom's disposable mattress pads for a 
while.  She actually wasn't incontinent but she couldn't walk so needed a bed 
pan, so just in case...I would use the mattress pads.  Then I purchased 
several of the washable types when one of my very old cats began thinking the 
bed was her litter box.  You can also purchase a zippered waterproof mattress 
cover, then put a regular quilted mattress topper over it and just toss the 
topper into the washing machine if someone makes a mistake, sponge the 
waterproof cover with rubbing alcohol.  It's a
 good deodorizer after it evaporates.  But in the summer, if you don't want to 
feel you are being shrink wrapped, you can use the top removable types and 
either toss into the wash or toss into the garbage if they are disposable.  The 
washable are more economical. You can even make up the bed in the morning and 
then put a fitted waterproof mattress topper over the whole thing to keep 
everything good while you are gone.  If an accident happens, you just whisk the 
cover off and you are ready for sleeping in the bed.

For the nasty drip into the mattress I would recommend an enzyme type odor 
eliminator.  I used to use Petzyme, which you can purchase at PetsMart.  It 
doesn't have any added scent as a cover up.  Sometimes I think I prefer the 
odor of cat pee to those awful perfumes they dump into deodorizers.  When 
you use the enzyme type deodorizer, you have to make sure the spot stays wet 
for at least 24 hours.  If it dries out, by-by little beneficial bacteria and 
the enzyme doesn't work.
You can Google cat urine neutralizer or deodorizer and see what you come up 
with. There are many brands and many prices.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy and Miss Kitty

2012-11-01 Thread Susan Hoffman
Plan on keeping Ozzy locked up for a few weeks after his neuter.  It takes at 
least 2 or 3 weeks for that boy smell to go away.  (And it just seems to 
permeate the house.  You may want to cage Ozzy as far away from the living 
quarters as possible.)



From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy and Miss Kitty


You might want to spray something around Ozzy's door to neutralize the scent of 
an intact cat or your other male cats might begin trying to scent things their 
way and you will be mopping up a whole lot of cat pee.  There are sprays with 
pheromones, odor neutralizing sprays and even a catnip spray with natural 
catnip oil.  That may be something to get the cats excited about Ozzy in a 
positive way. 



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From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 12:10 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Ozzy and Miss Kitty

Tomorrow morning Ozzy goes in for neuter, exam, testing and
vaccinations.  Following day Miss Kitty goes with me to pick up Ozzy
to get her exam and vaccinations.

Gonna have to rob a bank for this but want to get it done quickly as
Oz is causing some unrest within the ranks.  My other cats seem to be
jealous of an intact male and wanna get thru the door to prove they
were here first - or something!

So far they are both doing well.

Kat

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kirkland Cat Food Some Info On Tax Exemptions

2012-10-15 Thread Susan Hoffman
Orange bag, not yellow.  The product name is nature's domain but I think it's 
a Kirkland product.
 
I should look into the tax exempt thing.  Would be good to get out from under 
sales tax.  That would actually help a lot.  If not for the cats I would not 
bother with Costco.  We buy our own people food at a Grocery Outlet store, or 
at farmers mrkets and sometimes a regular grocery if it's on sale.  Just don't 
have much use for giant quantities of people food with only two humans in the 
house.



From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; at...@optonline.net 
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Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Kirkland Cat Food  Some Info On Tax Exemptions



I don't think I ever saw the yellow bag that Susan Hoffman mentioned.  They 
have a light blue bag of Reduced Calorie food (diet food) but I don't use that 
on skinny cats and the fat cats would probably eat the fatty food while the 
skinny ones would most likely head for the diet food.  Ding-bat cats.

You would probably need two memberships at Costco, one for cat food and 
cleaning products through a 501 c 3 tax exempt organization and your own 
private membership that you already have.  I pay about $18  year for my one 
third share of the membership.  I don't buy food there because I'm one person 
and can't afford to buy in quantity for myself.  But if you purchase cleaning 
products, paper towels, garbage bags, hand sanitizer, cat litter, flea 
treatment (they sell Frontline Plus and their own brand of flea treatment), 
anything you could list under caring for rescued cats, you can charge them 
under the non-profit heading. Costco also sells boxes of canned Friskies and 
canned Fancy Feast.  The price is comparable to PetsMart, maybe a penny or two 
less per can.  You have to buy a box of 24 for the Frikies.  I think it's 18 
cans for the Fancy Feast.  Way out of my league at this time though.  I usually 
purchase 9 Lives canned cat food and all
 cleaning products at HEB- Plus supermarket.  We are listed with the company as 
tax exempt.  I fill out a short form each time I make a purchase and don't have 
to pay the 8% sales tax. I do a separate order on my personal food and 
purchases. In the past I have also bought the round sherpa cat beds and litter 
boxes at the supermarket with the tax exemption. It definitely adds up.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: discounted gift cards

2012-10-14 Thread Susan Hoffman
Steer clear of the eBay gift cards.  People bid stupid to the point that there 
is no significant discount.  Go to http://www.giftcardgranny.com/ and you'll se 
ALL the giftcard resellers.  I prefer http://www.giftcardbin.com/ because they 
are near me and ship quickly and have great customer service.  I've ordered 
from ABC giftcards but they're in New Jersey and it took forever to get the 
cards.  Both giftcardbin and ABC ship with a tracking number.  I used to order 
from http://www.cardpool.com/ but they don't ship with a tracking number so if 
the card were lost in the mail I would have no proof.  (Once, when a card was 
lost from giftcardbin.com they quickly refunded my money.)

 


 From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2012 10:10 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd:  The Price of Cat Food
  

Sending again.  Gmail makes it difficult to trim posts, as it doesn't show 
everything.


-- Forwarded message --
From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org


These were the links she gave:  ``For the past year I've been planning ahead 
and buying discounted PetSmart gift cards 
through http://www.giftcardbin.com/ and http://www.cardpool.com/  They also 
have petco cards but nothing for Costco.''



On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hey Susan, where do you get PetsMart discounted gift cards.  I have never seen 
them.  Is this one of those online places or eBay or where?





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 From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:22 PM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food
  


I spend about $1000 a month with a population that ranges from 25-40, 
depending on adoptions and new intake.  We feed primarily canned but with dry 
(mostly Kirkland Premium and the no-grain in the orange bag).  It's a big 
chunk of money every month but the cats are happy and healthy. 
  
For the past year I've been planning ahead and buying discounted PetSmart gift 
cards through http://www.giftcardbin.com/ and http://www.cardpool.com/  They 
also have petco cards but nothing for Costco.  Take a look.  It really has 
helped my budget.  (I recently combined gift cards discounted by 18% with the 
PetSmart Friends  Family sale discount of 15%, and used a few random 
coupons.  For awhile there I had a lot of cases of friskies stacked up in the 
living room!) 

Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!

If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their 
life.  Contact your local pound for information. 


If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to 
free up cage space.

Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by 
implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: 
http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902
 



Local feral cat crisis?   See Alley Cat Allies' for how to 
respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 

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Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

2012-10-14 Thread Susan Hoffman
Kirkland is Costco's store brand name.  The Kirkland dry food in the purple bag 
is very high quality at a low price.  (In California, where I am, the Kirkland 
dry in the purple bag is $18 for 25 pounds.  First ingredient is chicken, the 
second is chicken meal.  No byproducts or corn.  Best deal out there. They also 
make a no-grain dry in an orange bag, I think they call it Nature's Domain, 
that is around $20 for an 18 pound bag.  I'd pay for my Costco membership for 
access to the dry food alone.
 
Do you have a Costco nearby?
 


 From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food
  

Hi - can you tell me what Kirkland is?  Is it a brand of food?  Where do you 
buy it?
 


 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food
  

i TRIED RABBIT FROM A NEIGHBOR WHO RAISES HIS ORGANIC FOR HIS OWN FOOD.  THEY 
LOOKED AT IT LIKE IT WAS ALIEN, WOULD NOT EVEN TOUCH IT.  I ONLY HAVE 7, BUT 
KEEPING ENOUGH MEAT FOR THEM WOULD BE A PROBLEM.  i HAVE A SIDE BY SIDE AND THE 
FREEZER IS NOT THAT LARGE.  AND GETTING IT OUT IN TIME TO THAW WOULD BE A 
PROBLEM WITH MY MEMORY.

 Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 It would be nice if I could do that but I'm feeding around 35 cats right 
 now.  Feeding raw would cost me around $9 a day with turns into around $250 a 
 month.  On top of which, I would be a little nervous to feed raw chicken to 
 the cats.  Some of them probably wouldn't even understand what it was while 
 others might throw it up at first.  Cooked chicken would add about 3 hours 
 work to my day.  My freezer would be full of frozen
 chicken, not defrosted in time for their dinner and I would go insane.

The dry food costs me about $100 - $150 a month.  With the price of Kirkland 
going up it would cost me about equal to that because they eat less of the 
Kirkland due to fat content.  Seems to fill them up better.  I used to buy 
Friskies regular type, and Purina Cat Chow (no one wanted to eat that).  Then I 
bought HEB brand Hill Country Fair and all the cats began throwing up in 
unison.  Stopped buying that also.  They seem to be able to digest Paws and 
Claws, the Tractor Supply brand that cost $20 for 36 pounds but the older ones 
lose weight when they eat it.  One of my cats, Isadora lost most of her fur 
(long hair) and had scabs and sores on her skin.  I began feeding Kirkland 
about 3 months ago and the other day I realized that Isadora had no more scabs 
and had grown back her fur.  The fat content did her a whole lot of good. She
 looks like she has gained a pound or two and is much more active. Mr. Buttons 
(Big Butt-tons) also gained weight on
  Kirkland.  I need to widen the doorway for him.
I will probably have to keep buying the Kirkland and just work harder. 


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!





From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food


I'm curious as to how much you are spending per day per cat feeding dry.  I am 
able to feed raw for 70 cents/day per cat.  If you didn't buy the chicken from 
Whole
 Foods, which charges about twice as much as do, say local ethnic butchers, 
then you could roll in for around half that.   

I've heard they have to eat more dry than raw, as it isn't as high-octane of 
food.   Also, cats don't drink enough water to compensate for dry food, 
grain/starch-free or not, and stand a very good chance of ending up with CRF.  



On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

Oh, @#$%!!!.  The price of Kirkland Adult Maintenance cat food used to be 
$16.99.  Then it went up a year later to $17.59.  Well, I bought two 20 lb. 
bags a week and a half ago.  This Tuesday, I went back to Costco because my 
cats ate most of the Kirkland and the price had gone up to $18.99!!!  It went 
up $1.49 in about a week.  This is robbery.  I'm so
 depressed.  The crap I buy at the feed store doesn't have a high fat content 
and doesn't have actual chicken like Kirkland and is $20  for a 36 pound bag.  
Well, kitties, you're going to be back on a diet of crap and corn meal unless 
Mommy can get another job online.  Sigh.



 
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Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

2012-10-12 Thread Susan Hoffman
I tried raw with my 15 year old calico a few years ago.  She wouldn't touch it, 
wanted me to fry it up in some butter first.




From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food


i TRIED RABBIT FROM A NEIGHBOR WHO RAISES HIS ORGANIC FOR HIS OWN FOOD.  THEY 
LOOKED AT IT LIKE IT WAS ALIEN, WOULD NOT EVEN TOUCH IT.  I ONLY HAVE 7, BUT 
KEEPING ENOUGH MEAT FOR THEM WOULD BE A PROBLEM.  i HAVE A SIDE BY SIDE AND THE 
FREEZER IS NOT THAT LARGE.  AND GETTING IT OUT IN TIME TO THAW WOULD BE A 
PROBLEM WITH MY MEMORY.

 Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 It would be nice if I could do that but I'm feeding around 35 cats right 
 now.  Feeding raw would cost me around $9 a day with turns into around $250 a 
 month.  On top of which, I would be a little nervous to feed raw chicken to 
 the cats.  Some of them probably wouldn't even understand what it was while 
 others might throw it up at first.  Cooked chicken would add about 3 hours 
 work to my day.  My freezer would be full of frozen chicken, not defrosted in 
 time for their dinner and I would go insane.

The dry food costs me about $100 - $150 a month.  With the price of Kirkland 
going up it would cost me about equal to that because they eat less of the 
Kirkland due to fat content.  Seems to fill them up better.  I used to buy 
Friskies regular type, and Purina Cat Chow (no one wanted to eat that).  Then I 
bought HEB brand Hill Country Fair and all the cats began throwing up in 
unison.  Stopped buying that also.  They seem to be able to digest Paws and 
Claws, the Tractor Supply brand that cost $20 for 36 pounds but the older ones 
lose weight when they eat it.  One of my cats, Isadora lost most of her fur 
(long hair) and had scabs and sores on her skin.  I began feeding Kirkland 
about 3 months ago and the other day I realized that Isadora had no more scabs 
and had grown back her fur.  The fat content did her a whole lot of good. She 
looks like she has gained a pound or two and is much more active. Mr. Buttons 
(Big Butt-tons) also gained weight on
  Kirkland.  I need to widen the doorway for him.
I will probably have to keep buying the Kirkland and just work harder. 


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!





From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food


I'm curious as to how much you are spending per day per cat feeding dry.  I am 
able to feed raw for 70 cents/day per cat.  If you didn't buy the chicken from 
Whole Foods, which charges about twice as much as do, say local ethnic 
butchers, then you could roll in for around half that.   

I've heard they have to eat more dry than raw, as it isn't as high-octane of 
food.   Also, cats don't drink enough water to compensate for dry food, 
grain/starch-free or not, and stand a very good chance of ending up with CRF.  



On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:

Oh, @#$%!!!.  The price of Kirkland Adult Maintenance cat food used to be 
$16.99.  Then it went up a year later to $17.59.  Well, I bought two 20 lb. 
bags a week and a half ago.  This Tuesday, I went back to Costco because my 
cats ate most of the Kirkland and the price had gone up to $18.99!!!  It went 
up $1.49 in about a week.  This is robbery.  I'm so depressed.  The crap I buy 
at the feed store doesn't have a high fat content and doesn't have actual 
chicken like Kirkland and is $20  for a 36 pound bag.  Well, kitties, you're 
going to be back on a diet of crap and corn meal unless Mommy can get another 
job online.  Sigh.



 
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If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their 
life.  Contact your local pound for information. 


If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to 
free up cage space.

Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by 
implementing the No Kill Equation: 
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/

Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org/

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

More fun watching: 
http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902




Local feral cat crisis?   

Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

2012-10-11 Thread Susan Hoffman
I spend about $1000 a month with a population that ranges from 25-40, depending 
on adoptions and new intake.  We feed primarily canned but with dry (mostly 
Kirkland Premium and the no-grain in the orange bag).  It's a big chunk of 
money every month but the cats are happy and healthy.
 
For the past year I've been planning ahead and buying discounted PetSmart gift 
cards through http://www.giftcardbin.com/ and http://www.cardpool.com/  They 
also have petco cards but nothing for Costco.  Take a look.  It really has 
helped my budget.  (I recently combined gift cards discounted by 18% with the 
PetSmart Friends  Family sale discount of 15%, and used a few random coupons.  
For awhile there I had a lot of cases of friskies stacked up in the living 
room!)



From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

Since Homey and Nitnoy, I feed half canned and dry.  I also have water 
fountains and that makes a diffrence in how much they drink.  I have to fill up 
the 2 fountains every morning and afternoon.  Each takes 64 ounces. Course 
Casey spills some.  She likes to bat at the water before she drinks.  I never 
thought about how much per day per cat, just feed them.  I usually give about 
1/4 cup in morning, afternoon and evening of the dry Blue Buffalo and 1 can 
divided by 7.  I mix the can with 2 cans of hot water.  The heat makes it smell 
more and they always drink the liquid and later on eat the meat.

 Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I'm curious as to how much you are spending per day per cat feeding dry.  I
 am able to feed raw for 70 cents/day per cat.  If you didn't buy the
 chicken from Whole Foods, which charges about twice as much as do, say
 local ethnic butchers, then you could roll in for around half that.
 
 I've heard they have to eat more dry than raw, as it isn't as high-octane
 of food.  Also, cats don't drink enough water to compensate for dry food,
 grain/starch-free or not, and stand a very good chance of ending up with
 CRF.
 
 
 On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  Oh, @#$%!!!.  The price of Kirkland Adult Maintenance cat food used to be
  $16.99.  Then it went up a year later to $17.59.  Well, I bought two 20 lb.
  bags a week and a half ago.  This Tuesday, I went back to Costco because my
  cats ate most of the Kirkland and the price had gone up to $18.99!!!  It
  went up $1.49 in about a week.  This is robbery.  I'm so depressed.  The
  crap I buy at the feed store doesn't have a high fat content and doesn't
  have actual chicken like Kirkland and is $20  for a 36 pound bag.  Well,
  kitties, you're going to be back on a diet of crap and corn meal unless
  Mommy can get another job online.  Sigh.
 
 
  Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
  neighbors too!
 
 
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 Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!
 
 If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their
 life.  Contact your local pound for information.
 http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm
 
 If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
 to free up cage space.
 
 
 Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
 implementing the No Kill Equation:
 http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/
 
 Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:
 http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/
 
 Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org
 
 More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/
 
 More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially
 http://vimeo.com/48445902
 
 
 
 Local feral cat crisis?  See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond:
 http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537


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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV urinary incontinence

2012-09-19 Thread Susan Hoffman
Did the vet say whether she was retaining urine in the bladder?  Did he express 
the bladder?
 
With most pill meds you can break it up and put it in a 1 cc syringe with no 
needle, draw up a tiny amount of water, and let is dissolve.  I routinely 
liquify meds.

From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 4:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV urinary incontinence


Any info on urinary incontinence in the FELV pos cat?  My cat Chloe is running 
a low grade temp since night before last.  Doc gave pill form of anti b (said 
doesn't have it in the liquid).  I gave one last night along with a bite to my 
finger!  I noticed  a trail of urine on the floor on her way to the litter box 
this morning.  I guess she missed it.  Hope we are not running into further 
complications.  

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Transport to Best Friends


If I may offer some advice, don’t sedate!  My vet hates it because you never 
know how any cat may react…cats get more frightened by sedation, what’s 
happening to them, than a trip.  As long as their cage/carrier is covered, to 
make them feel safe, there’s not much of  problem.  I have been transporting 
cats by car and even on the plane in the cabin often, and never used sedation.  
Some cats were not exactly “tame”.
Natalie
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jamielynn Storch
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 5:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Transport to Best Friends

Just an update.  The rescue was unable to offer any assistance with the 
transport in the time frame needed so they are holding off on getting 2 of the 
cats there.  Instead I will be transporting an FIV+ stressed out kitty on my 
trek.  Wish me luck that his sedatives work!  


Thanks so much for the offer to help.
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV - COLITIS

2012-09-19 Thread Susan Hoffman
Are you sure he did not say cystitis?  That would make more sense from your 
description of symptoms than colitis.


From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV - COLITIS




Hi - Vet said it is colitis, not urinary.  Said she may have eaten something 
bad.  Changed the meds to liquid anti b.  (Not much better as she is a 
fighter!) No x-ray yet - he will wait to see how she does on the anti b.   
Thanks for the tip on the pill form - good idea for the future.  I actually got 
one in her today, though using he pet pockets and some Nutramen gel!  

He said doesn't think the colitis is from the leukemia, but that she will have 
a hard time fighting fever due to her immune system.  
From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV urinary incontinence


Did the vet say whether she was retaining urine in the bladder?  Did he express 
the bladder?
 
With most pill meds you can break it up and put it in a 1 cc syringe with no 
needle, draw up a tiny amount of water, and let is dissolve.  I routinely 
liquify meds.

From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 4:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV urinary incontinence


Any info on urinary incontinence in the FELV pos cat?  My cat Chloe is running 
a low grade temp since night before last.  Doc gave pill form of anti b (said 
doesn't have it in the liquid).  I gave one last night along with a bite to my 
finger!  I noticed  a trail of urine on the floor on her way to the litter box 
this morning.  I guess she missed it.  Hope we are not running into further 
complications.  

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Transport to Best Friends


If I may offer some advice, don’t sedate!  My vet hates it because you never 
know how any cat may react…cats get more frightened by sedation, what’s 
happening to them, than a trip.  As long as their cage/carrier is covered, to 
make them feel safe, there’s not much of  problem.  I have been transporting 
cats by car and even on the plane in the cabin often, and never used sedation.  
Some cats were not exactly “tame”.
Natalie
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jamielynn Storch
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 5:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Transport to Best Friends

Just an update.  The rescue was unable to offer any assistance with the 
transport in the time frame needed so they are holding off on getting 2 of the 
cats there.  Instead I will be transporting an FIV+ stressed out kitty on my 
trek.  Wish me luck that his sedatives work!  


Thanks so much for the offer to help.
-- 
Jamielynn  Storch
http://www.jlynnphotographyonline.com/
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Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/REPLY FROM DOTTY

2012-08-28 Thread Susan Hoffman
Where are you located?  perhaps we can help search for some resources in your 
area.




From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/REPLY FROM DOTTY


Thanks all for your tips.  There are at least 4 FRIENDLYs in the group of 7.  
So I feel those are adoptable.  I have yet to find anyone to help feed.  Alley 
cats send me a list.  I have to go through it one by one. have a few more 
contacts from another organization.  No bites yet.  Just one saying  i can 
mayb swing by once in a while, et etc)  No real committments.  It is all so 
very time consuming.  And in the meantime, doc appointmets, work and I am 
feeling very, very stressed at this point and overwhelmed.  I'll re-read all of 
the mail you all sent with your advice and try to follow some of the tips.  
Dotty



From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: FeLV Talk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight


Do you have any local animal rescue web talk boards? I helped a lady out who 
posted about needing a feeder for her feral colony over Christmas. Also check 
with local rescues. Most of them all ready have colonies they feed or have 
volunteers who feed colonies. They can sub
I've had my outside ferals for years. If I moved I would have to trap  
re-locate them. I'm not leaving them.

Beth


Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://www.furkids.org/




From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight


Hi.  I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - 
I didn't see any replies.
I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat 
feeding.  I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now.
I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and 
will have a very difficult postop recovery.  I have no-one else to feed the 
cats.  I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the 
newspaper to expose their plight.  Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility 
would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper.  I 
also could try to help in the adoption process.  ALSO, my other question is, 
how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats?  I am thinking this 
cannot go on forever.  Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I 
can't find adoptions?  Any input on this, would be great.  Thanks






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Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight

2012-08-27 Thread Susan Hoffman
All too true.  When I had a house fire in 2007 and moved I packed up my yard 
cats and brought them along.  I still have two of them.  One is 11 years old, 
absolutely untouchable, and she was my first TNR cat.
 
Once you start feeding they learn to depend on you.  You can't just walk away 
and leave them.
 
Where are you located?  There must be other feral feeders or TNR groups in your 
area.  Perhaps we can help you find them and you could get some relief while 
you heal up.  (Are the cats you've been feeding all spayed and neutered?)
 
Please do NOT involve your local animal control agency.  They very well might 
round up the cats and kill them.  If you want to get those cats homes then take 
in one or two of the tame ones in at a time and foster until a home is found.
 
 



From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight


Dozens of years re feeding.  We trap, s/n and release.  That is the price of 
free food.  I would not feel right about abandoning my wild friends.  When I 
moved to care for my mother, I got neighbors to take care of the one feral at 
that house.  I visited when I could and furnished the food.  We have fed ferals 
at Mom's for as long as I can remember.  And calling a shelter will probably 
result in the death of most of the cats you have been caring for.  

On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:02 PM, dot winkler wrote:

Hi.  I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - 
I didn't see any replies.
I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat 
feeding.  I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now.
I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and 
will have a very difficult postop recovery.  I have no-one else to feed the 
cats.  I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the 
newspaper to expose their plight.  Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility 
would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper.  I 
also could try to help in the adoption process.  ALSO, my other question is, 
how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats?  I am thinking this 
cannot go on forever.  Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I 
can't find adoptions?  Any input on this, would be great.  Thanks




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Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV  Ascites?


I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other 
conditions. Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze it 
for protein content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this year we 
lost two kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted fluid from 
the first one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high protein 
content. So dx was FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so concluded 
that he had pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was greenish_his 
sister also got a FIP dx, high prt fluid but more typical; yellow viscous 
fluid, no cancer.
I'm wishing all the best to you and your kitten 

http://homelessnomore.webs.com/



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Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:00 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV  Ascites?


My FeLV+ kitten developed ascites and I'm worried the vet is going to tell me 
it's FIP. Does anyone know if ascites is ever related to FeLV?

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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Stomatitis

2012-08-24 Thread Susan Hoffman
If the stomatitis is severe and the cat is having trouble eating, really 
consider heavy duty pain meds like buprenex during the treatment process.  I 
know that Snowy and I would not have gotten through it all without serious pain 
management.




From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:34 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Stomatitis


 
Since I wouldn’t be able to give the two FIV+ cats anything orally, especially 
so much of it, having huge daily struggles, probably getting kicked and 
bitten…..
 
I will definitely look into the cold laser solution!
 
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
 
Wow. I love holistic approaches, but I'd be afraid my cats would die from 
stress related illness before the stomatitis was cured. I have to wrap them in 
a towel to get meds in them. Do you mix it in their food?
I have heard great things about the laser procedure.

Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Stomatitis

2012-08-24 Thread Susan Hoffman
Snowy had three separate procedures -- the first to extract teeth, then when 
that did not solve the problem she had the first laser treatment, and then she 
went back for a touch-up with the laser.  So we were doing pain meds before, 
during and after.
 
Snowy's situation was pretty extreme.  Her gums were purple and the pain was so 
severe that she could not eat on her own.  If I tried to put medicine in her 
mouth she went ballistic.  Her mouth was on fire and everything hurt.  We wound 
up doing injectible buprenex for the pain.  This allowed her to eat.  I hid her 
prednisone in cat food.  And then I tucked her in a cage at night with a plate 
of clindamycin-spiked tuna.  That was our process.  But without really serious 
opiate based pain meds none of this would have worked.  
 
I also spent a lot of time hand feeding her.  She was able to lick from my 
fingers what she could not eat from the plate.  I think the plate may have 
bumped or rubbed her gums.
 
The laser was NOT the sort that could be done without anesthesia.  This cat was 
in such extreme pain that she could not even be examined without sedation.  
This was an invasive procedure that burned away the bad tissue and allowed new 
tissue to grow in its place.  It worked.  I really thought we were going to 
have to euthanize this cat.  But the laser really worked.  Still, it was a 
difficult several months and the recovery process was slow.  The pain meds were 
essential to getting both Snowy and me through this.



From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Stomatitis


Do you mean after the laser treatment?
 
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 11:44 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Stomatitis
 
If the stomatitis is severe and the cat is having trouble eating, really 
consider heavy duty pain meds like buprenex during the treatment process.  I 
know that Snowy and I would not have gotten through it all without serious pain 
management.


 
From:Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:34 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Stomatitis
 
 
Since I wouldn’t be able to give the two FIV+ cats anything orally, especially 
so much of it, having huge daily struggles, probably getting kicked and 
bitten…..
 
I will definitely look into the cold laser solution!
 
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
 
Wow. I love holistic approaches, but I'd be afraid my cats would die from 
stress related illness before the stomatitis was cured. I have to wrap them in 
a towel to get meds in them. Do you mix it in their food?
I have heard great things about the laser procedure.

Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Stomatitis

2012-08-24 Thread Susan Hoffman
No, not the entire time.  But the pred was a big help in cutting the 
inflammation.
 
 



From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Stomatitis


Were you doing steroids all through this process?


On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com wrote:

Snowy had three separate procedures -- the first to extract teeth, then when 
that did not solve the problem she had the first laser treatment, and then she 
went back for a touch-up with the laser.  So we were doing pain meds before, 
during and after.
 
Snowy's situation was pretty extreme.  Her gums were purple and the pain was 
so severe that she could not eat on her own.  If I tried to put medicine in 
her mouth she went ballistic.  Her mouth was on fire and everything hurt.  We 
wound up doing injectible buprenex for the pain.  This allowed her to eat.  I 
hid her prednisone in cat food.  And then I tucked her in a cage at night with 
a plate of clindamycin-spiked tuna.  That was our process.  But without really 
serious opiate based pain meds none of this would have worked.  
 
I also spent a lot of time hand feeding her.  She was able to lick from my 
fingers what she could not eat from the plate.  I think the plate may have 
bumped or rubbed her gums.
 
The laser was NOT the sort that could be done without anesthesia.  This cat 
was in such extreme pain that she could not even be examined without 
sedation.  This was an invasive procedure that burned away the bad tissue and 
allowed new tissue to grow in its place.  It worked.  I really thought we were 
going to have to euthanize this cat.  But the laser really worked.  Still, it 
was a difficult several months and the recovery process was slow.  The pain 
meds were essential to getting both Snowy and me through this.


From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:01 AM 

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Stomatitis



Do you mean after the laser treatment?
 
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 11:44 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Stomatitis

If the stomatitis is severe and the cat is having trouble eating, really 
consider heavy duty pain meds like buprenex during the treatment process.  I 
know that Snowy and I would not have gotten through it all without serious 
pain management.


 
From:Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 7:34 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Stomatitis
 
 
Since I wouldn’t be able to give the two FIV+ cats anything orally, especially 
so much of it, having huge daily struggles, probably getting kicked and 
bitten…..
 
I will definitely look into the cold laser solution!
 
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 9:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
 
Wow. I love holistic approaches, but I'd be afraid my cats would die from 
stress related illness before the stomatitis was cured. I have to wrap them in 
a towel to get meds in them. Do you mix it in their food?
I have heard great things about the laser procedure.

Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

2012-08-23 Thread Susan Hoffman
Also not holistic but effective...
 
I have a foster who had stomatitis and regenerative tissue gingivitis.  
Removing the teeth did not help.  Her gums were purple and she could not eat.  
She had two sessions with a laser, under anesthesia, and weeks of buprenex, 
prednisone and clindamycin, but she's been off all meds for a couple of months 
now and it seems that she really is OK now.



From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

I will, thank you!
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 12:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
 
Natalie,
 
This isn't holistic, but my parent's cat was suffering terribly from stomatitis 
to the point where they were considering putting him down.  Instead, one of the 
vet tech suggested COLD LASER THERAPY - WORKED INCREDIBLY!  Tabby's doing 
GREAT now - has put his weight back on and is back to his reg. self.  Took 5 
sessions I think, no sedation, and each visit for treatment they were in and 
out in under 10 minutes.
 
Check into it!
 
T

--- On Thu, 8/23/12, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 11:52 AM
Kathryn,
I now that you posted the holistic stomatitis protocol a while back, I thought 
that I saved it, but can’t find it.
I would very much like to try it on two of our FIV+ cats with stomatitis – one 
case is severe, one just a little.  
However, those cats are not easy to handle…would I be able to use it on them?
Natalie  =^..^=

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Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort

2012-03-02 Thread Susan Hoffman
We have a similar law in California -- animals may not be euthanized is a 
non-profit rescue is willing to take that animal.  There are plenty of ways 
around it and the law is hard to enforce but it has saved a lot of lives and 
created good working partnerships between rescues and shelters.

--- On Fri, 3/2/12, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote:


From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, March 2, 2012, 9:04 AM







Most of the time these big raids end up in the lap of the local 
rescues/shelters.  Usually the big orgs like PETA, HSUS, ASPCA provide 
transportation to various rescues  shelters who then have responsibility for 
the animals.  
 
As far as the law referred to would only require that no animal in a shelter 
would be euthanized if a legitimate rescue is willing to take it.  
http://www.floridarescueact.com/ While local rescues are universally advocating 
for this bill, the big organizations are all against it.  In NY, my home state, 
ASPCA has spent millions pushing the “quick kill” bill which would, among other 
things, allow shelters to immediately kill any animal they deem to be under 
“psychological pain”
 


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2012 11:39 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort
 


PETA definitely does questionable things. What exactly does the bill do?

I am glad that a very reputable Georgia rescue - Good Mews, is helping out with 
this. Unfortunately if they take animals it means more animals in GA will die. 
Lose-lose situation.
 

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From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort
 


What is upsetting to me as well about PETA's involvement, is that  they sent 
out an email about Caboodle, then at the end used the situation to call for 
withdrawl of the proposed FL Animal Rescue Act.

 

This bill is very important in the minds of all FL rescue people that I know 
of--I am in FL and very involved with rescue--and now PETA is saying this will 
enable places like Caboodle to pull animals from shelters.  So now all sorts of 
people who are not involved in rescue and have no familiarity with the bill 
probably think it is horrible and will be speaking out against it (there was a 
link to contact FL legislators), at the time when it needs all the support it 
can get.

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 8:31 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
I agree.  PETA does not have too good a record themselves.  This man simply got 
in over his head and did not know how to solve the problem.  I also agree about 
those who tortue.  There was a man in the St. Louis area who adopted puppies 
and kittens and then trtured them to death.  He kept them alive as long as 
possible so he could enjoy their sufering.  If I had my way, this man would 
have been shot on site.  I was called for jury duty on an animal cruelty case.  
They asked me if I had an opinion on the case.  I said shot the sob.  They 
didn't call me for that jury.


 GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:
 When I first saw a video about this ranch a few years ago, I wondered how
 anyone could possible keep track of and care for so many cats, especially
 when there's absolutely no control over them, in all those little houses (no
 matter how cute they are), no central feeding place, etc. I am not really
 surprised!  However, the fact that PETA is involved, worries me a bit..for
 several reasons. Natalie



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 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 11:51 AM
 To: FeLV Talk
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Link to Story about Caboodle Ranch Rescue Effort



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Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors

2011-12-18 Thread Susan Hoffman
Dr. Bronner's.  Just google.  A lot of health food stores carry  it.  You can 
also get it at drugstore.com.

--- On Sun, 12/18/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Sunday, December 18, 2011, 3:56 PM
 Susan metioned Dr. Brer's liquid
 peppermint soap.  Where do you get it?
 
 
  MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
 wrote: 
  Consider using rubber maid or knock off totes that are
 larger than  
  standard litter boxes.  I really like Odo Ban for
 odor removal and  
  have had wonderful luck with it.  I use vinegar
 in regular cleaning--- 
  less toxic than many cleaners.
  
  On Dec 17, 2011, at 8:38 PM, Lee Evans wrote:
  
   Unfortunately more than a few of my rescues
 think outside of the  
   box or are cross-eyed or something when it comes
 to pooping.  Will  
   the strong vinegar solution work on Eau de Poop,
 a really unpleasant  
   combination when another cat comes along and
 douses the blob with a  
   generous helping of Parfume de Piss?  I
 don't much like the odor of  
   vinegar either but it certainly has it all over
 the air unfreshener  
   the cats produce.  I have to admit it's not
 entirely their fault.  I  
   have been away from home to many hours since I
 and most of the cats  
   were forced to move to another county to save the
 cats from the  
   horrid gestapo of Animal Control, and the boxes
 are always a mess,  
   so shame on me.  Hop  efully  once
 I get the rest of the cats to the  
   new place things will be different. However until
 then I still don't  
   want to inhale the stuff.
  
   From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:55 AM
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors
   We've actually done half vinegar and half water
 and yes it can be  
   used on anything.
  
   We've actually incorporated the  vinegar and
 water into our weekly  
   cleaning sessions.  We fill spray bottles
 with vinegar and water and  
   spray corners of the rooms and cat trees and
 everything (hot spots,  
   where cats do bad things) and just spritz it all
 down and let it sit  
   for 20 minutes or so before going through the
 normal cleaning routine.
  
   After the vinegar and water soak we vaccuum and
 mop with Dr. Broners  
   peppermit liquid soap, and wipe down surfaces and
 all.  But the  
   vinegar and water really deals with odors well.
  
   I have not used it in the washing machine yet but
 I think I'll be  
   trying that very soon.
  
   For the record I have never liked the smell of
 vinegar.  But the  
   vinegar smell dissipates and it really does
 nutralize odors
  
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 ter...@tazzys.org
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   From: ter...@tazzys.org
 ter...@tazzys.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Friday, December 16, 2011, 9:37 PM
  
   When you use vinegar and water what is the
 measurements?Can it be  
   used on carpets?
   Thanks!
   TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE  COLLIE
 RESCUESultan, WA.  
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 [Felvtalk] urine  
   odorsFrom: GRAS g...@optonline.netDate:
 Fri, December 16, 2011  
   7:31 pmTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgWhite
 vinegar and water  
   mixture is great to get cat pee smell
 out...where'sthe urine on?  
   carpet, furniture, or just bedding? I also swear
 by X-O,it's  
   available as an odor neutralizer and also
 cleaner/odor neutralizer.  
   Itsmells great, comes in concentrated form, and
 you can dilute  
   however youwish; can also be used as air
 freshener.
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors

2011-12-17 Thread Susan Hoffman
The vinegar and water solution is a great deodorizer all around.  Poop and 
pee.  But you have to saturate an area, let it soak awhile and then clean as 
usual.



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From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, December 17, 2011, 6:38 PM

Unfortunately more than a few of my rescues think outside of the box or are 
cross-eyed or something when it comes to pooping.  Will the strong vinegar 
solution work on Eau de Poop, a really unpleasant combination when another cat 
comes along and douses the blob with a generous helping of Parfume de Piss?  I 
don't much like the odor of vinegar either but it certainly has it all over the 
air unfreshener the cats produce.  I have to admit it's not entirely their 
fault.  I have been away from home to many hours since I and most of the cats 
were
 forced to move to another county to save the cats from the horrid gestapo of 
Animal Control, and the boxes are always a mess, so shame on me.  Hopefully  
once I get the rest of the cats to the new place things will be 
different. However until then I still don't want to inhale the stuff.





From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors
 




We've actually done half vinegar and half water and yes it can be used on 
anything.

We've actually incorporated the  vinegar and water into our weekly cleaning 
sessions.  We fill spray bottles with vinegar and water and spray corners of 
the rooms and cat trees and everything (hot spots, where cats do bad things) 
and just spritz it all down and let it sit for 20 minutes or so before going 
through the normal cleaning routine.

After the vinegar and water soak we vaccuum and mop with Dr. Broners peppermit 
liquid soap, and wipe down surfaces and all.  But the vinegar and water really 
deals with odors well.

I have not used it in the washing machine yet but I think I'll be trying that 
very soon.

For the record I have never liked the smell of vinegar.  But the vinegar smell 
dissipates and
 it really does nutralize odors

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From: ter...@tazzys.org ter...@tazzys.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, December 16, 2011, 9:37 PM




When you use vinegar and water what is the measurements? Can it be used on 
carpets?
Thanks!
 
TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie 
Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue
Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
 
  Copyright © 1999-2011 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.
 
 

 Original Message  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors From: 
GRAS g...@optonline.net Date: Fri, December 16, 2011 7:31 pm To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org White vinegar and water mixture is great to get cat 
pee smell out...where's the urine on? carpet, furniture, or just bedding? I 
also swear by X-O, it's available as an odor neutralizer and also cleaner/odor 
neutralizer. It smells great, comes in concentrated form, and you can dilute 
however you wish; can also be used as air freshener.
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Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors

2011-12-16 Thread Susan Hoffman
We've actually done half vinegar and half water and yes it can be used on 
anything.

We've actually incorporated the  vinegar and water into our weekly cleaning 
sessions.  We fill spray bottles with vinegar and water and spray corners of 
the rooms and cat trees and everything (hot spots, where cats do bad things) 
and just spritz it all down and let it sit for 20 minutes or so before going 
through the normal cleaning routine.

After the vinegar and water soak we vaccuum and mop with Dr. Broners peppermit 
liquid soap, and wipe down surfaces and all.  But the vinegar and water really 
deals with odors well.

I have not used it in the washing machine yet but I think I'll be trying that 
very soon.

For the record I have never liked the smell of vinegar.  But the vinegar smell 
dissipates and it really does nutralize odors

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From: ter...@tazzys.org ter...@tazzys.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, December 16, 2011, 9:37 PM

When you use vinegar and water what is the measurements?
Can it be used on carpets?
Thanks!


TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
Sultan, WA. 98294
Terrie Mohr-Forker
http://tazzys.org/
Non-Profit national rescue
Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
 
 
Copyright © 1999-2011 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.
 
 

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors
From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
Date: Fri, December 16, 2011 7:31 pm
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

White vinegar and water mixture is great to get cat pee smell out...where's
the urine on? carpet, furniture, or just bedding? I also swear by X-O,
it's available as an odor neutralizer and also cleaner/odor neutralizer. It
smells great, comes in concentrated form, and you can dilute however you
wish; can also be used as air freshener.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in a house on fire

2011-12-04 Thread Susan Hoffman
Having actually been burned out of one house I now give wings to my paranoia.

At night before going to bed and in the morning before leaving for work I walk 
through the house turning things off and unplugging what I can.

We have LOTS of smoke detectors, including one in the garage.  And I want 
more.  Need to replace my fire extinguishers too.

We remove the knobs from the stove and only put them on when we are cooking.  I 
actually saw one of the cats once step on a knob to get to the stove top and 
turn the stove on.  That was the day the knobs came off.

If I'm cooking, I'm in the kitchen.  I don't leave the room with the stove on.

No extension cords.

If a lamp malfunctions I throw itr away.

It doesn't matter if it makes sense.  I'm OK with being irrational about fire.  
Already had one house fire and that was enough.

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From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in a house on fire
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 4:39 AM

So far, nothing that tragic has gone wrong in my own life, but I have had to 
move from my nice, safe brick house in the city to a mobile home which, as far 
as I can tell, is made out of cardboard and plastic.  These horrid death traps 
are usually gone with the wind if the wind is above 50 miles per hour and burn 
up in a nanosecond.  To counter this nightmare, I have built a cat enclosure 
separate from the house.  More than half of my rescued cats reside in the 
enclosure which has a large shed attached.  I had to move because the City of 
San Antonio gave me a choice of move or have my excess cats taken from me and 
killed at the animal shelter.  I moved to the next county where there are 
no cat limit laws but
  anything affordable is made of paper. I check stoves and electric appliances 
a few dozen times a day, and rarely cook in the house.  I also unplug most 
things that use electricity.  This isn't doing my tendency to have 
obsessive-compulsive disorder any good at all.  Sigh.  Well, it's better than 
an apartment in one of the fire traps that have been built with wood shingle 
roofing.  Horrors!  I wouldn't have a polyester stuffed toy in one of those 
places.





From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in a house on fire

Been there too.  I get this sinking feeling and speed up so I can get home to 
my babies.  God what would I do if I pulled up behind fire engines.  I know one 
thing for sure, I would be in the house befoe they could stop me.  The only
 thing they could do is follow and help me get them out.

 GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: 
 Anytime I'm out, and am driving home and hear a fire engine going up our
 road, I have this horrible thought that it's our house...but, since both my
 husband's family and my family had a house fore, what are the chances for
 another one?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
 dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent:
 Friday, December 02, 2011 10:54 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in a house on fire
 
 I had not thought about what if I were not home.  That is enough to make me
 never leave home again!
 
  Peggy Verdonck-Riley jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: 
  My biggest fear with 9 cats! Luckely we have an enclosed cat 
  playground outside. We can just push them out the cat door in the 
  window and lock it behind them.
  I just hope something like that never happens when we aren't home!
  
  On Dec 2, 2011 4:34 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
  
   What a terrible story!
  
   This is a lesson I learned from a friend of mine.  Her house was on 
   fire and she grabbed her cat and took him outside but he ran back 
   inside and died in the fire.  God forbid any of you ever have to 
   rescue your cats from a burning house, but cats will always run back 
   inside because this is the place they feel safe.  Always put your 
   cats in carriers or in your car outside your home.  With 13 cats 
   this would have been terribly difficult for your parents, but if 
   there are only one or two cats this can be done.
  
   Lorrie
  
   On 12-02, GRAS wrote:
In
 1964, my parents' house in Chicago had a fire on a night of a 
huge snowstorm, 3'!  The fire department had a hard time getting 
there because side street were not plowed, especially not at 3 AM. 
They had 13 cats,
   and I
had just moved back with my two cats because I couldn't afford 
my apartment closer to school. All the cats died in the fire, 
although my father was running around, grabbing them and putting 
them on an enclosed porch, they all ran back as he opened the 
door.When the house was rebuilt, a cat was found in the 
basement 

Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in a house on fire

2011-12-02 Thread Susan Hoffman
We had a house fire in 2007.  I threw a couple of cats out the back door before 
running out the front myself.  Those cats actually came back in the house!

We were lucky.  The fire department put the fire out before the floor 
combusted.  (The fire started in the basement underneath us.)  All the cats ran 
to the front of the house and hid under the sofa and loveseat.  No one was 
killed in the fire.  We were so lucky.

--- On Fri, 12/2/11, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:

 From: GRAS g...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in a house on fire
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 3:04 PM
 My father even burned his corneas
 trying to save the cats (was OK in the
 long run). And as it turned out later, he was actually
 running on a
 wall-to-wall carpet with no floor under it anymoreBut
 he still kept
 trying.  Another great idea is to use 
 pillowcases in any emergency - that's
 always around!
 BTW - horses do the same when a barn is on fire; they run
 back.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Lorrie
 Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 5:40 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in a house on fire
 
 What a terrible story!
 
 This is a lesson I learned from a friend of mine.  Her
 house was on fire and
 she grabbed her cat and took him outside but he ran back
 inside and died in
 the fire.  God forbid any of you ever have to rescue
 your cats from a
 burning house, but cats will always run back inside because
 this is the
 place they feel safe.  Always put your cats in
 carriers or in your car
 outside your home.  With 13 cats this would have been
 terribly difficult for
 your parents, but if there are only one or two cats this
 can be done.
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 12-02, GRAS wrote:
  In 1964, my parents' house in Chicago had a fire on a
 night of a huge 
  snowstorm, 3'!  The fire department had a hard
 time getting there 
  because side street were not plowed, especially not at
 3 AM. They had 
  13 cats, and I had just moved back with my two cats
 because I 
  couldn't afford my apartment closer to school. All the
 cats died in 
  the fire, although my father was running around,
 grabbing them and 
  putting them on an enclosed porch, they all ran back
 as he opened the 
  door.When the house was rebuilt, a cat was found
 in the basement 
  ceiling/rafters, completely soft and pliable (not
 stiff!) - poor cats 
  most probably died from smoke inhalation because they
 have such tiny
 lungs.
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds

2011-10-16 Thread Susan Hoffman
www.1drugstore-online.com

I've been using them for years.  


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 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Sunday, October 16, 2011, 9:56 AM
 I always buy Amoxicillin and Clavamox
 in Mexico, although they require
 prescriptions now - but if you go to small local
 pharmacies, you can get
 them without a Rx.  Very inexpensive. They have other
 meds, too, but that's
 what I need mostly.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Lorrie
 Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 11:14 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Vet meds
 
 Does anyone know where I can buy RX vet meds overseas
 without an RX? 
 With 25 cats in my shelter and at home I need to keep some
 basic things at
 home such as Acarexx for earmites, Clavamox (antibiotic)
 etc.
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds

2011-10-16 Thread Susan Hoffman
What are you trying to order?  I just did a test order for zithromax at 
http://www.1drugstore-online.com/ and no prescription required.  I've ordered 
other things from them in the  past month and still no prescription.

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 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vet meds
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Sunday, October 16, 2011, 2:12 PM
 Have you ordered recently?  They
 seem to require an RX now,
 and so do all the other overseas pharmacies I used for
 years.
 
 
  On 10-16, Susan Hoffman wrote:
  www.1drugstore-online.com
  
  I've been using them for years.  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] no regrets after doing this venture!

2011-10-04 Thread Susan Hoffman
This is SPAM.  Christy Buchin's email has been hacked.  Please do not ever 
click on these sorts of links.

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 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] no regrets after doing this venture!
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 1:54 PM
 I aree, what is it?  Most of
 these work at home things are a scam, you never make that
 outrageous amount of money.  All I eed is about $500 a
 month t cover taxes and insurance.  $10k000 amonth is
 bordering on greedy. 
 
 
  Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com
 wrote: 
  What exactly is this?
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
  On Oct 3, 2011, at 10:15 PM, Christy Buchin cstet...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
  
   hi there!
   I finally made a life changing decision this is
 the most unique solution I came across these days I am my
 own boss try it out for yourself
   http://next-gage.ru/engine/redirect.php?folazref=facebook.comhdparm=mail.comurl=http://businessnews17.net/esubmit/bizopp_hw2.php
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cigarette Smoke, etc

2011-09-22 Thread Susan Hoffman
I have to say that I really don't believe that at all.  Quite the opposite.  I 
think the cats are far better off if I can get them a good committed home.  Not 
a perfect home, just one where the person/people are truly committed to the 
cat.  My home is far from perfect and I worry about my ability to pay for all 
the vet care over the years as my population ages.  Dental is a huge expense.  
And it's difficult to make sure everyone gets attention, to be aware of their 
emotional well being.  Much better if I place them in good adoptive homes.  
They'll get more individualized attention and better care over the years that 
way.

--- On Thu, 9/22/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cigarette Smoke, etc
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, September 22, 2011, 4:32 AM
 Yup, flimzy screens and screaming
 brats are not good for cats either.
 It's hard to find a perfect home, and I guess all of you
 believe, as
 I do, that no one can take care of cats as well as we can
 :-)   This
 is probably why most of us have so many cats.
 
 Lorrie
 
   Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
 wrote: 
 
   I would adopt to a smoker before I adopted to
 someone with flimsy
   window screens.  I would adopt to an adult
 smoker before I adopted
   to a non-smoker with small children.
   
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke

2011-09-21 Thread Susan Hoffman
I'm a smoker.  And our personal cats live to be around 18 years of age.
 
I would not reject an adoptive home merely because a family member smokes.

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From: john pollack bucfa...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, September 21, 2011, 1:31 PM


I smoke, and have had Tigger for almost 5 years now. FeLV+, and STILL showing 
no signs of sickness




From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke





Hi,
 
We have someone interested in adopting our FeLV+ boy and it sounds like a great 
home, but the gentleman smokes. Does anyone know if this would be a 
considerable risk for a FeLV cat? I know smoke isn't good for humans or cats, 
but I'm wondering if the FeLV would complicate matters. Other than that, it 
sounds like a great home. He'd be a companion to a homebound gentleman who's 
looking for company.
 
Thanks for your time and input.
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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke

2011-09-21 Thread Susan Hoffman
I would adopt to a smoker before I adopted to someone with flimsy window 
screens.  I would adopt to an adult smoker before I adopted to a non-smoker 
with small children.

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From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, September 21, 2011, 1:54 PM





I would adopt to a smoker before I would to someone who declaws.
 



Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:31:32 -0700
From: bucfa...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke

I smoke, and have had Tigger for almost 5 years now. FeLV+, and STILL showing 
no signs of sickness




From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke






Hi,
 
We have someone interested in adopting our FeLV+ boy and it sounds like a great 
home, but the gentleman smokes. Does anyone know if this would be a 
considerable risk for a FeLV cat? I know smoke isn't good for humans or cats, 
but I'm wondering if the FeLV would complicate matters. Other than that, it 
sounds like a great home. He'd be a companion to a homebound gentleman who's 
looking for company.
 
Thanks for your time and input.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-12 Thread Susan Hoffman
I know a cat who was reunited with her person after 2-1/2 years because of a 
microchip.  Always worth scanning, just in case.  

(I'm in California though.  All the rescues chip animals before adoption here.  
I'm sure other parts of the country do no.)

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 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, August 12, 2011, 1:10 PM
 I never thought of checking for
 chips.  We have so many unwanted babies around
 here.  Everyone wants to let their Moma have babies
 for the kids sake or say it costs too much to spay
 them.  Then when they get pregnant, they take them out
 and dump them, let them fend for themselves or kill
 them.  Only since PALS started up (guess they never had
 a place to take them before) have peple been turning them in
 so they could find a home.  I usually end up keeping
 them and once I have taken them for shots and
 spaying/neutering, they are mine.  It costs around
 $200.00 for all that and also by that time I am attached to
 them and do't want to let go of them.  Can't take them
 to PALS because they and all the foster parents are loaded
 up.  We have had a lot of people loosing their homes,
 can't have animals in their new (usually rental) home so
 they bring them to PALS.  All of the no kill rescues
 are over crowded because of this.  It is a bad
 situation and I don't see an end in the near future so we
 have to start looking for a new solution.  Well, an old
 one called spay or neuter.  Just have to get people to
 do it.
  Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com
 wrote: 
  I do lost/found work for a couple of shelters 
 you have no idea how far
  animals wander.  A chip got a cat home that had
 disappeared months ago from
  its home about 10 miles away.  Thing is
 sometimes, people pick up strays,
  bring them home, and then lose or dump them again-now
 even further from
  home.  Its ALWAYS worth scanning, and checking
 with your local shelter 
  maybe taking a look at craig's list-though in this
 case, it sounds like the
  cat's been out there for a couple of years.  
  
   
  
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Heather
  Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 11:46 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR
 Dilemma
  
   
  
  Lots of good advice--given this kitty was already
 spayed, is a cleft palate
  himi (many cleft palate babies do not survive), this
 was likely someone's
  pet.   some of the cats at my colonies
 who have been most standoffish were
  sweet once we got our hands on them.
  
   
  
  Was she scanned for a chip?  I would definitely
 do this.
  
   
  
  She may of course be abandoned but also could be
 displaced/lost.
  
   
  
  Most of the chipped cats I find do not have up to date
 contact info and I've
  had to do detective work, but because the chip info
 isn't up to date doesn't
  always mean the cat doesn't have someone who loves
  misses it.
  
   
  
  So many don't have/need homes, it is worth the effort
 I believe...most turn
  out to be deadbeat owners, but there could be a kid in
 the family who's been
  crying for months over their lost pet--I have had this
 situation before
  where we really didn't think the cat had a good home,
 one never knows.  I
  say this knowing that most do end up being
 deadbeatsbut, not always, or
  at least, there might be one person in the family who
 does care and deserves
  to know the kitty is alive and have a chance to
 claim.
  
   
  
  Just thoughts, I've had recent situations in this
 regard--please pardon if I
  missed something that clearly indicated the cat was
 abandoned (like people
  just moved out, etc.).
  
   
  
  Good luck and thank you for helping her!!
  
  On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 wrote:
  
  Kat, great advice and exactly what I would do. 
 Place her in a room in the
  house (bathroom/bedroom) and you might find that she
 is quite friendly,
  simply scared.  If you let her outside now, you
 will never see her again :(
   
  
    _  
  
  Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:19:55 +
  From: merrykatme...@email.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR
 Dilemma 
  
  
  
  Hi Bonnie,
  
  I would try to bring her over to your house, but not
 directly outside.
  
  Do you have a small room @ your house you can use for
 a few weeks?  If so,
  you should keep her in there - with litter, food 
 water  a place to hide
  (large box with hole in it  some towels will do
 just fine) while you get
  her accustomed to you as her new care giver.  Go
 in there everyday to be
  with her - even if you don't touch her.  Stay in
 there for at least a
  half-hour  read something out loud (normal voice)
 so she can get used to
  

Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

2011-08-11 Thread Susan Hoffman
There's always the bathroom.  It's just for 2 or 3 weeks.
 
Over the years I have regretted the ones I did not rescue but have not really 
regretted the ones I did.

--- On Thu, 8/11/11, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:


From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, August 11, 2011, 6:27 AM






Boy, I wish I could do this…but my aunt’s other cat, Princess (“Chirper” as I 
call her for her chirping meow) is in the spare room now.  And the other cats 
go into the garage (their litter boxes are there and there is a cat door 
between house and attached garage).  But good suggestion.
 
It’s amazing, but my four other house cats “know” something is going on.  And I 
just brought Princess over about a week ago.  Yesterday I started moving some 
furniture (unrelated) and my one cat freaked out and hid in the garage for 
hours.  I think change is hard on them…or maybe I’m projecting ;-)
 
Thanks for the great suggestions!
~B.
 
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of kathryn mundell
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 6:20 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
 
Hi Bonnie,

I would try to bring her over to your house, but not directly outside.

Do you have a small room @ your house you can use for a few weeks?  If so, you 
should keep her in there - with litter, food  water  a place to hide (large 
box with hole in it  some towels will do just fine) while you get her 
accustomed to you as her new care giver.  Go in there everyday to be with her - 
even if you don't touch her.  Stay in there for at least a half-hour  read 
something out loud (normal voice) so she can get used to hearing you. 

If you decide to name her - use her name over  over when you go in to feed 
her.  Praise her for being a smart  strong kitty.  etc.

Then after a few weeks, leave her in the room, but with a screened window 
cracked open a bit, so she can get used to the new neighborhood smells from 
inside.  That way, when you do finally let her out ( put her box outside too) 
she will already be familiar with the surroundings  won't be so apt to bolt or 
run off.

Good luck!  It will be worth the time  the effort!!!

Kat (Mew Jersey)
- Original Message -
From: Bonnie Hogue
Sent: 08/11/11 09:05 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma
 


Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday!  Now I’m literally an hour 
away from needing to decide.
 
The problem is that my aunt (who’s tame housecat I took) also had a “feral” 
living in her large yard.  The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the 
past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only 
source of food?).
 
Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and 
excellent TNR organization.  Guess what?  She had already been spayed.  That 
means some (fill in the blank nasty term) ‘person’ had just abandoned her!
 
So here’s the dilemma:  if I release her in my yard, she’s in a strange place.  
The only thing holding her near will be my good heart.  If I take her back to 
my aunt’s house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows what will happen, 
where she will find food, and the next ‘trapper’ may not have as good a 
motivation as I do.
 
I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat.
 
But what would YOU do?
 
Thanks for your thoughts.
 
~Bonnie
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FYI: What is Hemabartonella? I never heard of it before.....

2011-07-27 Thread Susan Hoffman
Just google it.  You'll find a lot of info, likely more detailed than anything 
anyone in a yahoo group could tell you.

--- On Wed, 7/27/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: [Felvtalk] FYI: What is Hemabartonella? I never heard of it 
 before.
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, July 27, 2011, 9:41 AM
 
 
 What is Hemobartonella?
 
 
 by Miranda K. Workman, President and CEO, Purrfect Paws
 Animal Behavior
 Center, LLC
 hhttp://broadcaster.catster.com/t?r=3c=5420l=37ctl=18DDD:019CBE51CEB3799
 E51B712D8EAAC5322 
 
  
 
 
     
  
 
 Hemobartonella infections are relatively common in cats in
 North America.
 This mycoplasma resides on the surface of red blood cells
 and produces
 extravascular hemolytic anemia. Transmission of the
 parasite is thought to
 occur by blood-sucking arthropods such as fleas. Mothers
 can transmit the
 parasite to their offspring. Animals with this infection
 are often able to
 survive for some time, but any condition that could
 compromise their immune
 system can make them more susceptible to effects of the
 disease. I learned
 way too much about this condition after a mother cat
 succumbed to it after
 spay surgery compromised her immune system. Her kittens
 were tested
 immediately and they are positive too. Treatment is
 possible and we are
 hoping that tomorrow's bloodwork will reveal they are free
 from infection
 and are healthy enough to be adopted!
 
 Miranda K. Workman owns Purrfect Paws Animal Behavior
 Center, LLC
 http://broadcaster.catster.com/t?r=3c=5420l=37ctl=18DDD:019CBE51CEB3799E
 51B712D8EAAC5322  in New York
 
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] cat with rotten teeth

2011-07-11 Thread Susan Hoffman
A suggestion for medicating difficult cats -- I recently had to get gel caps 
into a timid former feral girl who seems to sprout extra feet and claws when I 
medicate her.  I cut a hole in the end of a pillowcase and put that over her, 
with just her head sticking out of the hole.  That helped.  it still wasn't 
easy.  But it was better.  We actually got through the entire course of 
medication.

--- On Mon, 7/11/11, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] cat with rotten teeth
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 10:29 AM
 Again, thanks to all of you. 
 Been a great help.
 
 Called my vet this morning and she is unexpectedly out of
 office until
 the 18th.  Apparently she had family emergency. That's
 upsetting cause
 the kitty who had her eyes removed last Wednesday was
 supposed to have
 sutures out this Wed the 13th.  I guess a few more
 days with sutures
 won't hurt - I kept mine in my knee for almost 4 months
 cause I was
 afraid to get them out.  duh!    Oh well.
 
 Surprisingly, Luke is a lover.  Loves to be picked up,
 loves to be
 petted.  But with the apparent pain in her mouth
 nothing is going to
 get into her via syringe or jamming a pill in the back of
 her throat,
 nothing.  Last time I tried it one of her loose teeth
 fell out so
 there was a plus side but I am still putting triple
 antibiotic cream
 on the scratches and I had her wrapped in a bath towel like
 a mummy!
 Afterward she was panting, drooling, vomiting and hid for
 several
 hours.  Not doing that to her or me again.
 
 So I will have to wait until the 18th to get her to the vet
 but she is
 sticking around the yard now and actually was sitting at
 the door like
 she -almost- wanted in so I guess that will have to do
 
 Thanks again cause I was hesitant to do that to her but
 what the heck.
  If I can have a little 5 week old kittens rotten, ready to
 rupture
 eyes removed I guess I can the rotten teeth of a full grown
 kitten
 pulled~.
 
 Kat
 
 
 On 7/11/11, dlg...@windstream.net
 dlg...@windstream.net
 wrote:
  Cats have a way of knowing meds are in the food you
 are giving them.  Unlike
  dogs who gulp it down so fast they never realize meds
 were in it.
  Medicating Casey is life threatening, I almost need to
 make a reservation at
  the ER for a couple of pints of blood for me. 
 She bites, scratches, screams
  and like you said, we are both so worn out, frustrated
 that it almost seems
  to do more harm than good.  If she needs meds, we
 head to the vet.  More
  hands to hld her down.  I have gotten a muzzle,
 but that makes her so angry
  that she won't have anything to do with me for at
 least a couple of hours.
 
   Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 wrote:
  Reply to: felineres...@frontier.com
  In-Reply-To:
 
 CAArM-_-2ryAGGq9SY-77suew7TtR5qZS+jFj-UAbtGn7pr6A=q...@mail.gmail.com
 
  Thanks for taking care of Luke. It's very
 difficult taking
  care of a cat who fights your every effort to help
 her/hin.
  You are very kind.
 
  Lorrie
 
  On 07-09, katskat1 wrote:
   Thanks to all I have decided if I can find
 the $ I am going to take
   Luke to the vet and have some/all of her
 rotten teeth removed.  She is
   obviously in discomfort and her breath has
 gotten progressively worse.
    She is ratty looking and apparently has
 been sickly for a long time
   before I started feeding her as a stray but
 she still wants to live.
  
   I was very apprehensive about doing this to a
 cat that stays outside -
    has to - won't come in, fights to get
 back out and my inside cats are
   ALL negatives.  But she sticks around
 and I don't have many options.
  
   Now, if only I could successfully medicate
 her.  She will not eat
   anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet
 food, treats, NOTHING with
   any med of any kind.  Trying to syringe
 her is like fighting a wind
   storm with lots of claws and then we are both
 so stressed we are
   breathing hard.  Not good for her. 
 Or me.  So I am trying to give her
   quality of whatever life she has
  
   Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will
 help.
  
   kat
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-08 Thread Susan Hoffman
I had the same experience with the feline Pine.  It smells like moldy wood to 
me.  Bought one bag and never again.

I think we may need to make a distinction between rescue households with a lot 
of cats and a constant parade of fosters coming and going and a household with 
just a few pet cats.  Mine is a rescue household and I have adopters coming too 
the house so I have to make sure it doesn't stink.  I've been using clumping 
litter for more than 10 years and we've never had a problem.  (When I fostered 
kittens though I used the old fashioned non-clumping clay litter because 
kittens have been known to try to eat litter.)



--- On Fri, 7/8/11, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:

 From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, July 8, 2011, 2:57 PM
 
 I tried to respond earlier but it bounced back as too
 large however, I noticed that others have responded with no
 problems so I will try again (after deleting most of the
 original emails).  I have used Feline Pine at home
 before and the rescue group I am with used to use it at
 their Petsmart adoptions.  The smell (to me) was gawd
 awful after they had used the box even once and even
 customers complained about the smell in the adoption
 center.  We had to go back to scoopable in both places
 but especially at the store because people would not go in
 to meet the cats due to the smell and it was scooped on a
 regular basis.
  
 For our house, we have switched from hooded boxes to large
 Rubbermaid Totes.  Frank cuts a large hole in one end
 so the cats can get in and out and it prevents our elevator
 b*tt peers from peeing over the side.  We also use a
 low dust litter.  So far, our cats have done well and
 most of our cats are 12 and up.
  
 Edna
  
 
  Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 16:07:15 -0400
  From: athenapities...@gmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
  
  Oh - I just found a Petco version of the wheat litter,
 Sweat Scoop. It got
  good online reviews.
  
  
  
  
  On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote:
  
   Well, this has inspired me to check out Feline
 Pine - has anyone used it
   before?
  
     
 
       
   
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Re: [Felvtalk] UK vet meds

2011-06-07 Thread Susan Hoffman
I've been ordering the Stronghold from the UK (same as US Revolution) for a 
couple of years now.  I buy the big dog size and measure it out into cat sized 
doses.  Works out to less than $3 per dose for an adult cat.

--- On Tue, 6/7/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UK vet meds
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 3:53 AM
 Both the UK Stronghold and Revolution
 say to use it for cats 
 5 to 15 pounds and both are Selamectin.
 
 If you'd feel better you can e-mail them at sa...@vetmeds4pets.co.uk
 
 I have total confidence in drugs bought overseas or in
 Canada. I buy
 all my prescription drugs that way for myself and my pets.
 It's the
 exact same drugs only much cheaper because both these
 countries have
 socialized medicine, and the government doesn't allow them
 to gouge
 people with outrageous prices like they do here in the USA
 where drug
 companies get richer by the day!
 
 Lorrie
 
  From: dlg...@windstream.net
 dlg...@windstream.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Monday, June 6, 2011 9:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UK vet meds  
 
  Their Revolution says it is for kittens and puppies. 
 Would this
  dose be ok for adult cats? 
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........

2011-02-28 Thread Susan Hoffman
What makes the $500/$1000 inadequate is that, from a rescue standpoint, older 
animals have to be fully vetted before they can be listed for adoption.  That 
includes dental which is so expensive.  Adopters are reluctant to take on older 
or special needs animals because they are afraid of the cost.  Now, if the 
animals are current on cleanings and extractions and have recent senior blood 
panels then that makes all the difference.

--- On Mon, 2/28/11, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:35 PM
 Some great ideas/questions! 
 Thank you all and keep them coming.
 
 Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start
 receiving a
 small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the
 mortgage and
 food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate
 - which I
 should have known - was a set back I will have to deal
 with.  I guess
 I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker
 could find
 forever homes for them.  That, of course, leads to
 another concern
 about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to
 find good
 homes..
 
 Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone
 suggested..beg for money?  I don't think I would
 give money to a
 stranger on line with no real info as to where it will
 really go so
 why would I expect anyone else to do so?  Sounds
 strange.
 
 I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would
 oversee
 that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care
 they
 should? My few remaining relatives live many states away
 and are
 within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the
 person/house after the animals alive at the time of my
 death are no
 longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and
 property could
 revert to a rescue site?  Yikes!  How to do that
 with zoning laws and
 all And I would have to be sure the house could be
 paid for at
 my death ARGHH...
 
 I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be
 familiar
 with these types of situations AND share my love for these
 furry kids.
  Maybe listed in the yellow pages under Attorneys - Animal
 Trusts???
 or something?  ;-)  And would be willing and able
 to do it without
 charging an arm and a leg.  Sigh.
 
 So much to think about.
 
 Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all.
 
 Kat
 
 On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and
 other pets are to me!
  Most my family members and friends are huge animal
 lovers and I have no
  doubt that they will take great care of mine, if
 something would happen to
  me and my husband.
 
  2011/2/26 dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com
 
  I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry)
 the amounts I am seeing
  (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to
 take care of the cats
  for
  long other than maybe food needs. I definitely
 could be wrong. And maybe
  that's all it's intended for.
 
  Natalie that is a fantastic idea!
 
  I wanted to share some potential solutions just to
 put it out there?  Love
  that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P)
 
  Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin,
 maybe through a local
  501c3
  so their donators will get tax deductions, or
 perhaps kickstarter, or
  pepsi
  refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites
 nowadays and you can
  choose different amounts...you just have to hit
 the minimum to get the
  money
  I think but people can always contribute more than
 requested, especially
  if
  you state that in the description of why you are
 looking for funds.
 
  And just fyi - there are actually cat retirement
 homes out there - did
  anyone know that? Isn't that a smart idea? Wanted
 to put that out there
  too,
  although they make you pay upfront for the
 lifetime care of the cats.  I'm
  sure they would give you a figure on the costs if
 you ask, and maybe it's
  just a good idea to have that number for a goal.
 
  Also, if there are no no-kill shelters near you
 perhaps you could find
  some
  that are sort of nearby and see if local rescue
 groups would be willing to
  transport them to that shelter, the shelter take
 them, and get that
  contact
  info out to family and in the will so there is a
 plan in place and it will
  get done.  Also, they may have ideas on wills
 and after-care for animals.
  I'm sure they deal with it all the time.
 
  It's smart to think ahead. Good to see people
 doing so. I'm fairly young
  and
  I think all my kitties will be gone by I'm 60 (I
 have 7.) which was just a
  lucky thing, not a well-thought out thing, so
 hopefully I won't have to
  deal
  with this myself.  If I want animals after
 that I decided I'm only going
  to
  foster them because of exactly this situation.
 Mostly because I have 

Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........

2011-02-28 Thread Susan Hoffman
When I say senior I'm talking about cats in the 10-15 year age range and it 
seems they invariably need dental work when they come into rescue.  We also 
always do full blood panels for anyone over 8 years of age.  We don't want to 
risk adopting out a cat who is hyperthyroid or diabetic or in renal failure to 
someone who just is not prepared to deal with that.  Dealing with these things 
before listing for adoption has made all the difference in the world in finding 
good homes for cats past 8-10 years of age.

--- On Mon, 2/28/11, Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:

 From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 6:56 PM
 We provide the same vet care to all
 adult cats regardless of the age. I don't find the seniors
 to cost more, but of course most folks don't want to adopt a
 pet that has a clearly limited short lifespan.
 
 Gloria
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 28, 2011, at 3:54 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Oh?  Is this a nation-wide requirement or certain
 areas? And for
  senior animals only? I never heard that in my neck of
 the woods and
  have rescued and found homes for many dogs and several
 cats.  Of
  course, they are usually younger and are always fully
 vetted before I
  take them out for Adoption Days but.
  
  Dental required?  I have never done dental stuff
 for any of my
  animals.I occasionally brush dogs teeth if they
 have tartar but
  make sure they eat and chew the right stuff so that
 isn't a problem.
  Cats the same.  Never had an animal that had a
 bad tooth needing
  extraction and I have had a boat load of
 animals.  Am I missing
  something?  Where are these requirements in
 place?  And just for older
  animals?
  
  My one senior kitty has a senior blood panel once a
 year.  All the
  rest who aren't positives have std vaccinations
 including for FeLV
  annually.
  
  This gets more and more difficult when all you want to
 do is love them
  and let them live out their lives in happiness and
 peace.
  
  K
  
  On 2/28/11, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
  What makes the $500/$1000 inadequate is that, from
 a rescue standpoint,
  older animals have to be fully vetted before they
 can be listed for
  adoption.  That includes dental which is so
 expensive.  Adopters are
  reluctant to take on older or special needs
 animals because they are afraid
  of the cost.  Now, if the animals are current
 on cleanings and extractions
  and have recent senior blood panels then that
 makes all the difference.
  
  --- On Mon, 2/28/11, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
  From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for
 cats
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:35 PM
  Some great ideas/questions!
  Thank you all and keep them coming.
  
  Right now I am on unemployment and will
 eventually start
  receiving a
  small retirement amt each month that will
 barely pay the
  mortgage and
  food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so
 totally inadequate
  - which I
  should have known - was a set back I will have
 to deal
  with.  I guess
  I was thinking it would be a bridge until the
 care-taker
  could find
  forever homes for them.  That, of course,
 leads to
  another concern
  about how to be sure the care-taker could be
 trusted to
  find good
  homes..
  
  Not sure about those on-line fund raising
 sites someone
  suggested..beg for money?  I don't
 think I would
  give money to a
  stranger on line with no real info as to where
 it will
  really go so
  why would I expect anyone else to do so? 
 Sounds
  strange.
  
  I like the idea of someone moving into house
 but who would
  oversee
  that person to make sure the animals are
 receiving the care
  they
  should? My few remaining relatives live many
 states away
  and are
  within a few years of my age or older. What
 happens to the
  person/house after the animals alive at the
 time of my
  death are no
  longer living? Maybe as part of the will the
 house and
  property could
  revert to a rescue site?  Yikes! 
 How to do that
  with zoning laws and
  all And I would have to be sure the
 house could be
  paid for at
  my death ARGHH...
  
  I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I
 could trust to be
  familiar
  with these types of situations AND share my
 love for these
  furry kids.
  Maybe listed in the yellow pages under
 Attorneys - Animal
  Trusts???
  or something?  ;-)  And would be
 willing and able
  to do it without
  charging an arm and a leg.  Sigh.
  
  So much to think about.
  
  Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all.
  
  Kat
  
  On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  I'm so glad my family knows how important
 my cats and
  other pets are to me!
  Most my

Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-26 Thread Susan Hoffman
No.  NOT Cathouse on the Kings.  Have you actually been there?  Recently?  
Don't recommend them unless you're answering yes to both questions.

There are a lot of problems with Cathouse on the  Kings.  They have 600-800 
cats, poor tracking and intake procedures (inadequate testing and FeLV cats 
mixed with general population and cats who were negative coming up positive.)  
The ferals and hard to handle cats receive no medical care, not even amoxicilin 
mixed in food.  Ferals have been seen with green snot on their faces.

Also, Cathouse on the  Kings is basically run by one woman.  What happens when 
she dies?  Local rescues are very concerned about trying to pick up those 
pieces.  It's like  a ponzi scheme, with money taken for new cats used to 
support an already unwieldy operation.

Do not go on what you see online.  You need to actually visit a sanctuary and 
visit it every 6-12 months to monitor.  

--- On Sat, 2/26/11, Frank Saverese franksa...@verizon.net wrote:

 From: Frank Saverese franksa...@verizon.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 7:28 AM
 Hi Lorrie,
 
 I share the same worries about my cats' care after my death
 as you. The two
 best sanctuaries I have found are Cat House on the Kings in
 California
 http://www.cathouseonthekings.com/  -where I would
 love to live myself, and
 Tabby's Place in New Jersey http://www.tabbysplace.org/  Both of these
 organizations have a true love for cats.
 
 Finding a trustworthy sanctuary and arraigning life-care
 funding are
 important. But finding a trustworthy person who will carry
 out your wishes
 is most important and most difficult. That is the problem
 I'm having.
 
 Best wishes,
 
 Frank
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
 
 
  Thanks for all your very informative posts... They
 were eye
  opening!   Yes, Caboodle is an outdoor
 santuary, but my cats have
  always been indoor/outdoor cats, so this is what I
 want, BUT if
  it is over crowded, which is is bound to be if they
 have no limit
  on taking in new cats, I don't want any part of it!
 
  Otherwise my cats are used to being around lots of
 strange cats, as
  we have rescued cats all our lives, and they are used
 to seeing new
  cats around.  I hope to find a santuary where the
 cats can be
  outdoors in fenced in acreage, but NOT over crowded.
 This is probably
  going to be very difficult to find.
 
  Lorrie
 
  On 02-25, Gloria Lane wrote:
 
   Certainly not all sanctuaries are in the bad
 category and good
   folks start them with good intentions and plans
 and can be
   successful.
  
   But any place your cats move, they will have to
 make an adjustment.
   They're probably not used to quantities of
 cats.  Check out the
   options in your local area, and ask what the
 procedure is when they
   take in and care for cats.  And for vet
 care-do they have a vet
   associated with thir facility? What is the age of
 the person
   running the facility and what are their future
 plans? Are your cats
   outdoor cats?  I think Caboodle Ranch is all
 outdoor cats.
  
   Just some thoughts-
  
   Gloria
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-26 Thread Susan Hoffman
Have you been there?

--- On Sat, 2/26/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 8:36 AM
 That is a great place!  But
 I still wonder how all those cats can be
 monitored and how they don't get out of
 therelogistically, I'd love to
 know how it's done! Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Frank Saverese
 Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 10:29 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
 
 Hi Lorrie,
 
 I share the same worries about my cats' care after my death
 as you. The two
 best sanctuaries I have found are Cat House on the Kings in
 California
 http://www.cathouseonthekings.com/  -where I would
 love to live myself, and
 Tabby's Place in New Jersey http://www.tabbysplace.org/  Both of these
 organizations have a true love for cats.
 
 Finding a trustworthy sanctuary and arraigning life-care
 funding are
 important. But finding a trustworthy person who will carry
 out your wishes
 is most important and most difficult. That is the problem
 I'm having.
 
 Best wishes,
 
 Frank
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 7:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
 
 
  Thanks for all your very informative posts... They
 were eye
  opening!   Yes, Caboodle is an outdoor
 santuary, but my cats have
  always been indoor/outdoor cats, so this is what I
 want, BUT if
  it is over crowded, which is is bound to be if they
 have no limit
  on taking in new cats, I don't want any part of it!
 
  Otherwise my cats are used to being around lots of
 strange cats, as
  we have rescued cats all our lives, and they are used
 to seeing new
  cats around.  I hope to find a santuary where the
 cats can be
  outdoors in fenced in acreage, but NOT over crowded.
 This is probably
  going to be very difficult to find.
 
  Lorrie
 
  On 02-25, Gloria Lane wrote:
 
   Certainly not all sanctuaries are in the bad
 category and good
   folks start them with good intentions and plans
 and can be
   successful.
  
   But any place your cats move, they will have to
 make an adjustment.
   They're probably not used to quantities of
 cats.  Check out the
   options in your local area, and ask what the
 procedure is when they
   take in and care for cats.  And for vet
 care-do they have a vet
   associated with thir facility? What is the age of
 the person
   running the facility and what are their future
 plans? Are your cats
   outdoor cats?  I think Caboodle Ranch is all
 outdoor cats.
  
   Just some thoughts-
  
   Gloria
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........

2011-02-26 Thread Susan Hoffman
We work with seni9or and special needs animals and often find good homes for 
them.  But that is only after we take care of blood panels and dental.  On 
average we spend about $500 per cat getting them ready for adoption.  And 
that's with rescue discounts, our own lab account, etc.  Market rate at a 
private vet, it would cost 3 times as much.

--- On Sat, 2/26/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Saturday, February 26, 2011, 9:58 AM
 Depending on a cat's age/life
 expectancy, one must also figure in potential
 health problems and veterinary visits.  I had a call
 from a woman who wanted
 to get rid of her 15 yr old cat - she said that she would
 give me a
 sizable donation, even after telling her over and over,
 that we do not
 accept owner-surrendered cats, our priorities are taking
 them off the street
 etc. I was curious about what she considered to be a
 sizable donation - it
 was $100! I asked her how much one average vet visit cost
 her...she thought
 for a minute, and said, about $160  BTW - we do
 make exceptions about
 owner-surrendered cats, emergencies, etc, and we always
 take back any cat(s)
 that were adopted from us, no matter how long ago. 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of dana giordano
 Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2011 12:15 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats
 
 I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry) the
 amounts I am seeing
 (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to take
 care of the cats for
 long other than maybe food needs. I definitely could be
 wrong. And maybe
 that's all it's intended for.
 
 Natalie that is a fantastic idea!
 
 I wanted to share some potential solutions just to put it
 out there?  Love
 that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P)
 
 Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin, maybe
 through a local 501c3
 so their donators will get tax deductions, or perhaps
 kickstarter, or pepsi
 refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites nowadays
 and you can
 choose different amounts...you just have to hit the minimum
 to get the money
 I think but people can always contribute more than
 requested, especially if
 you state that in the description of why you are looking
 for funds.
 
 And just fyi - there are actually cat retirement homes out
 there - did
 anyone know that? Isn't that a smart idea? Wanted to put
 that out there too,
 although they make you pay upfront for the lifetime care of
 the cats.  I'm
 sure they would give you a figure on the costs if you ask,
 and maybe it's
 just a good idea to have that number for a goal.
 
 Also, if there are no no-kill shelters near you perhaps you
 could find some
 that are sort of nearby and see if local rescue groups
 would be willing to
 transport them to that shelter, the shelter take them, and
 get that contact
 info out to family and in the will so there is a plan in
 place and it will
 get done.  Also, they may have ideas on wills and
 after-care for animals.
 I'm sure they deal with it all the time.
 
 It's smart to think ahead. Good to see people doing so. I'm
 fairly young and
 I think all my kitties will be gone by I'm 60 (I have 7.)
 which was just a
 lucky thing, not a well-thought out thing, so hopefully I
 won't have to deal
 with this myself.  If I want animals after that I
 decided I'm only going to
 foster them because of exactly this situation. Mostly
 because I have no
 money to even put away what you guys have! :)
 
 
 
 
 On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
 wrote:
 
  Hi Kat,  This is exactly what I have done so
 far.  In my will I have
  left $1,000 for each of my 14 cats.  It is the
 best I can think of to
  assure they are cared for. However, I have no way of
 knowing some
  unscrupulous person won't take the money and dump the
 cat!!  It's the
  big question of WHO will take each cat, and how can I
 be certain they
  will be taken care of. We have no local no-kill
 shelter, and the
  humane society in our small town is worthless. They
 are mainly
  concerned with dogs.
 
  My grown kids all adore cats, but they have a bunch of
 their own, so
  I know they couldn't take all 14 of mome.  It is
 such a big problem,
  but I must get it resolved as time is running
 out.  I have enough
  money from a small inheritance to insure the care and
 safety of my
  cats, but overseeing this is the huge problem.
 
  Lorrie in WV
 
  On 02-25, katskat1 wrote:
   I too had this concern as I run a small rescue as
 well as having
   several cats and dogs of my own.  In my
 60's, live along female.  I
   finally talked to a lawyer while arranging my
 will and found the thing
   that makes me feel best.
  
   I allocated a certain lump sum per animal
 ($500/cat, $1000/dog 

Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries

2011-02-25 Thread Susan Hoffman
The few truly good sanctuaries that I have encountered have been small 
operations with multiple humans living on site.

--- On Fri, 2/25/11, Carmen Conklin cwshel...@wildblue.net wrote:

 From: Carmen Conklin cwshel...@wildblue.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, February 25, 2011, 2:26 PM
 If you are considering any sanctuary
 for your animals, please visit that
 sanctuary personally to see how the animals are cared for
 and if it is what
 it says it is. Our special needs sanctuary for felines has
 five very nice
 buildings and a brand new large sixth building is being
 completed or will be
 by  March. It will have a clinic room for our med tech
 and spay/neuter
 clinics, a storage bay, overnight guest 'apartment' for
 volunteers who come
 and help us and room for cats. The PETA report on the S.C.
 sanctuary is
 horrific and it also gives the word 'sanctuary' a bad rap.
 We need more
 positive stories.  Just be sure to visit if you take
 an animal to any so
 called 'sanctuary. It is very important. We always tell
 people to come
 either first, or take the kitty home with you if we are not
 the fit for your
 cat. It is the staff that makes the difference for us, the
 board and our
 volunteers as well.  We have a couple cats coming from
 a so-called 'rescue'
 (gone bad) and the animal welfare groups we are working
 with are doing what
 they can for the animals. The cats have been kept i 1.2 x2'
 cages one since
 she was 9 weeks old and she is 5 years old now. Needless to
 say she is kind
 of 'crazy' and adoption challenged. I have never been to
 Caboodle Ranch but
 there have been many problems there. On Facebook you will
 find a lot of
 information from Caboodles Angels, all who have taken a cat
 there and it
 went missing very quickly..
 Carmen and furs at Rustic Hollow Shelter.
 www.rustichollowshelter.org
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'

2011-02-24 Thread Susan Hoffman
This is the problem with most sanctuaries.  It's a flawed business model.  A 
sanctuary by definition offers lifetime care  So they fill up fast and, as 
the population ages, become more and more expensive to maintain.  And usually 
the people who try to start sanctuaries keep taking in new animals, sometimes 
because they need the surrender fee to keep the operation running and sometimes 
because they simply have a hard time saying no.  This is just not a 
sustainable model.

The few good long term sanctuaries really limit the population.  And they very 
often have an adoption component that allows them to make space by placing 
animals in good homes.  You just can't keep taking animals in with no way to 
decrease the population.  It becomes unwieldy very quickly.

--- On Thu, 2/24/11, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote:

 From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 12:37 PM
 
 There is a place in the Houston area and I have first hand
 knowledge of what a horrid place this is, yet people still
 take their cats there.  It is called Cat Nap Estates
 and IN MY OPINION, the woman running it should not care for
 potted plants.  I had her hold two feral cats for a
 couple of months while we were moving and our house was
 being built.  They went completely vetted, yet they
 came back with a litney of illnesses and so terrified. 
 The vet said she didn't think the female was ever let out of
 her carrier because it stunk so badly they had to throw it
 away.  I called the SPCA and made a cruelty report and
 some of the cats tested positive for Feluk and these cats
 were in the general population.  I have heard other
 horror stories about her and her sanctuary from others
 too.
  
 She may have started out with good intentions, but the road
 to h*ll is paved with good intentions.
  
  
  Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:12:39 -0800
  From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal
 'Sanctuary'
  
  This is why I warn people to thoroughly check out
 Sanctuaries This happens time  again. 
  
  Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
  
  
  
  
  From: atlantares...@yahoogroups.com
 
  [mailto:atlantares...@yahoogroups.com]
 On Behalf Of 
  kitty.cat
  Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 12:30 PM
  To: 
  spotsoci...@yahoogroups.com;
 atlanta Rescue Groups
  Cc: 
  georgiaanimalres...@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [atlantarescue] Fw: Cats 
  Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
  
  
    
  
  
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 9:48 
  AM
  Subject: Cats Suffer and Die at Animal 'Sanctuary'
  
  A PETA 
  undercover investigation exposed the chronic
 deprivation and 
  suffering 
  of approximately 300 cats being kept in filthy,
 stifling, 
  dungeon-like, 
  disease-ridden storage units at Sacred Vision Animal 
  Sanctuary (SVAS) in 
  Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.
  
   The operator of this so-called 
  quot;sanctuaryquot; warehouses cats in 
   cruel, disgusting 
  conditions. Many of the animals have endured these 
   conditions for 
  years. One cat captured on video--Winky--was found 
   convulsing and dying 
  in a litterbox inside a cage. The operator refused 
   repeated offers for 
  free emergency veterinary care and instead left Winky
 
   in a filthy 
  bathroom to languish for more than an hour before the
 cat 
   finally 
  died.
  
   Please click the link below to help end the
 suffering and 
  death of cats at 
   SVAS now!
  
   To take action on this 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Can Humans Make FELV+ cats sick?

2011-01-19 Thread Susan Hoffman
Not true.  There are a lot of illnesses that can be transmitted between animals 
and humans, incluiding a lot of different types of colds.  Here's a nice long 
list to scare yourself with:  http://svmweb.vetmed.wisc.edu/pbs/zoonoses/  If 
the animals and the people are basically healthy it's not much of an issue.  
But with cats with compromised immune systems, whether they are kittens or 
elderly or FIV+ or FeLV+ or dealing with cancer, then they are more susceptible 
to all sorts of things.

--- On Wed, 1/19/11, CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Can Humans Make FELV+ cats sick?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 11:32 AM
 no,we can't make them sick
 
 --- On Wed, 1/19/11, Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry steph.she...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
 
 From: Stephanie (Merkel) Sherry steph.she...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Can Humans Make FELV+ cats sick?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 2:24 PM
 
 
 Just wondering if anyone knows if humans who are sick with
 a cold, the flu, etc 
 can make a FELV+ cat sick.  Magic is currently still
 asymptomatic (other than 
 her diagnosis).  I'm just wondering when we are sick if
 they are more 
 susceptible with their weakened immune system.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Can Humans Make FELV+ cats sick?

2011-01-19 Thread Susan Hoffman
Feline herpes is rhinotraceitis so, no, you can't get herpes from a cat.

--- On Wed, 1/19/11, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:

 From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Can Humans Make FELV+ cats sick?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 12:17 PM
 I doubt that they can catch our
 illnesses.
 But I have a question:  my cat, Lucky (whom I
 inherited from my mother who died in November) has a chronic
 herpes infection in his left eye.  Then I started
 getting cold sores on my nose, when I don't even have a
 cold.
 So, just wondering...could we share a herpes virus?
 
 ~Bonnie
 - Original Message - From: Stephanie (Merkel)
 Sherry steph.she...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 11:24 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Can Humans Make FELV+ cats sick?
 
 
  Just wondering if anyone knows if humans who are sick
 with a cold, the flu, etc
  can make a FELV+ cat sick. Magic is currently still
 asymptomatic (other than
  her diagnosis). I'm just wondering when we are sick if
 they are more
  susceptible with their weakened immune system.
  
  Thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

2010-12-28 Thread Susan Hoffman
I volunteer at our local feral spay/neuter clinic (they also s/n cats and 
kittens being fostered for adoption) and I've watched the procedures so many 
times.  My station is right next to where the neuters are done.  The aftercare 
is amazing.  We have so many volunteers just checking respiration all the way 
through the clinic.  The cats at this particular clinic receive more 
post-surgical monitoring and attention than most private vets can provide.  

--- On Mon, 12/27/10, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:

 From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 9:53 PM
 I have to say, while our monthly
 clinic vet does pediatric spay/neuter, I wouldn't trust
 every one to do it, and I understand the term chop shops.
 Compared with other local clinics, I think we do batter
 aftercare for cats in recovery than any of the others and
 that's so important.  Can't just put them in a cage or
 carrier after surgery, and leave them.  Fortunately we
 have a good system, and we all trust our vet, who is good
 with pediatric s/n, and he's also fast - amazing to watch
 him versus some of the other vets.  Knowing the vet and
 trusting are so important.  Otherwise I'd wait a while
 too.
 
 Gloria
 
 
 
 On Dec 27, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote:
 
  I figure that amazingly enough he's been to vet school
 and I haven't.  The
  local low cost spay and neuter places (I call them
 chop n shops) will do
  them at 3 months, but their primary concern is that
 all animals be spayed
  and neutered no matter what, and they killed one of
 our kittens with a
  botched spay - never again.  Our current vet does
 them at 6 months because
  his concern is the health of each individual animal -
 and I like that.
  
  We have never had anyone get pregnant.
  
  If they are not altered we adopt out on foster to
 adopt, which means we
  still own the animal and they are fostering.  It
 works if you can keep up
  with it.  We never transfer ownership on an
 unaltered animal.
  
  On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
 wrote:
  
  Kelley, Our vet says exactly the same thing, so we
 s/n at 6 months.
  
  
  On 12-27, Kelley Saveika wrote:
  We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do
 them before that, and from
  what
  I've read about the bad possible side effects
 of early s/n in dogs I
  can't
  blame him.
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

2010-12-27 Thread Susan Hoffman
We do them at 2 pounds/2 months in northern California.  With the girls we may 
wait till they are closer to 3 pounds though.

Cats can start going into heat at 4-1/2 months.  And with the boys, the sooner 
they are neutered the less likely they are to become sprayers.  If you are 
planning on adopting the little guy out I would suggest fixing him as soon as 
possible.  If he turns into a sprayer he will really not be adoptable to an 
indoor only home.

--- On Mon, 12/27/10, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 9:52 AM
 We do ours at 6 months; our vet will
 not do them before that, and from what
 I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n
 in dogs I can't
 blame him.
 
 On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 wrote:
 
 
  My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before
 surgery (usually 16
  weeks)
 
   Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500
   From: athenapities...@gmail.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
  
   Many of the vets I use with rescues want the
 kitten to weigh 2 pounds,
  age
   doesn't matter.
  
   --Katy
  
   On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck
 
   jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
Hi,
   
Just a quick question. At what age do you
 guys have your male kittens
neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten
 (not sure exactly, found
  him at
a gas station).
We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and
 I was thinking to have him
neutered at the same time because it would
 save us a lot of money.
He is a strong and healthy guy and both his
 testicals are showing
  already.
   
Thanks for any replies,
   
Peggy
   
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 Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
 
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 Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
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 Please help Trooper!
 
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 should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

2010-12-27 Thread Susan Hoffman
It's different if you are a rescue who places animals for adoption.  In 
California it is illegal for a 501(c)(3) non-profit to adopt out an unaltered 
animal.  Also, we have so many vets in Northern California who are very 
experienced at early age spay/neuter.  It's the standard here and the kittens 
always seem to bounce back so quickly from their surgery.

--- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 10:49 AM
 I personally do NOT neuter/spay until
 much later and have never had a
 sprayer.my vet doesn't like doing it that early, and
 believes that
 neutering males so early has some possible future risks
 that are not yet
 known.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
 Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:53 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 
 We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before
 that, and from what
 I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n
 in dogs I can't
 blame him.
 
 On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
 wrote:
 
 
  My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before
 surgery (usually 16
  weeks)
 
   Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500
   From: athenapities...@gmail.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
  
   Many of the vets I use with rescues want the
 kitten to weigh 2 pounds,
  age
   doesn't matter.
  
   --Katy
  
   On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck
 
   jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
Hi,
   
Just a quick question. At what age do you
 guys have your male kittens
neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten
 (not sure exactly, found
  him at
a gas station).
We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and
 I was thinking to have him
neutered at the same time because it would
 save us a lot of money.
He is a strong and healthy guy and both his
 testicals are showing
  already.
   
Thanks for any replies,
   
Peggy
   
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 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
 
 Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
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 animals, that they
 should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males

2010-12-27 Thread Susan Hoffman
Unfortunately that has been the experience of too many people.  Even with a 
contract and a spay/neuter deposit it does not happen.  Or it doesn't happen 
until after that little surprise litter from a 7 month old cat.  Early age 
spay/neuter goes a long way towards reducing pet overpopulation.  The areas 
that do very young spay/neuter amd have active feral cat programs have fewer 
kittens in shelters and higher adult cat adoptions.  So if you're going to 
adopt them out, fix them first.

--- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 1:14 PM
 I am a rescue group - but we don't
 have any laws in CT to alter them before
 adoptions.  Probably a great idea! I keep in personal
 contact with adopters
 and make absolutely sure that they spay/neuter at the
 appropriate times.
 But they found that even though people pay for the
 spay/neuter at the time
 of adoption, a huge percentage never come back to do
 it...Whether they do it
 on their own or not, isn't known.  More likely, they
 don't, and that's why
 such a problem continues.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
 Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 3:45 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
 
 It's different if you are a rescue who places animals for
 adoption.  In
 California it is illegal for a 501(c)(3) non-profit to
 adopt out an
 unaltered animal.  Also, we have so many vets in
 Northern California who are
 very experienced at early age spay/neuter.  It's the
 standard here and the
 kittens always seem to bounce back so quickly from their
 surgery.
 
 --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net
 wrote:
 
  From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 10:49 AM
  I personally do NOT neuter/spay until
  much later and have never had a
  sprayer.my vet doesn't like doing it that early,
 and
  believes that
  neutering males so early has some possible future
 risks
  that are not yet
  known.
  
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
  On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
  Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 12:53 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
  
  We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them
 before
  that, and from what
  I've read about the bad possible side effects of early
 s/n
  in dogs I can't
  blame him.
  
  On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com
  wrote:
  
  
   My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds
 before
  surgery (usually 16
   weeks)
  
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500
From: athenapities...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
   
Many of the vets I use with rescues want
 the
  kitten to weigh 2 pounds,
   age
doesn't matter.
   
--Katy
   
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy
 Verdonck
  
jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   
 Hi,

 Just a quick question. At what age do
 you
  guys have your male kittens
 neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old
 kitten
  (not sure exactly, found
   him at
 a gas station).
 We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv
 and
  I was thinking to have him
 neutered at the same time because it
 would
  save us a lot of money.
 He is a strong and healthy guy and both
 his
  testicals are showing
   already.

 Thanks for any replies,

 Peggy

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  Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life!
  
  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20
  
  http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties*
  
  Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties!
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  Please help Trooper!
  
  http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper
  
  
  And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true
 animal
  lovers they
  can't complain about it, that they can't fight for
 the
  animals, that they
  should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to
  continue

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work

2010-12-22 Thread Susan Hoffman
I'd like to hear specifics about any issues with Best Friends.  Everyone I know 
who has ever visited them in person has absolutely loved the place.  And I know 
they do a huge amount of good and take on large projects that most other 
rescues could not manage.  (Like the 800 cat pahrump/FLOCK situation in Nevada. 
 No one else could have taken that on.)

--- On Wed, 12/22/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, December 22, 2010, 2:37 PM
 So did I!  We really should know
 to whom we send our money.  It is always
 best to donate to local small groups - they always operate
 on shoestring
 budgets and do more than any large group (in my humble
 estimation)! Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Lorrie
 Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:01 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work
 
 On 12-21, Kelley Saveika wrote:
 
  Oh God, not Best Friendsugh...
 
 Is there something I should know about Best Friends. 
 If so
 let me know because I send them money.
 
 I know how bad PETA is to cats, but I thought B F was a
 good
 organization. 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Helping kitty with extreme congestion

2010-12-06 Thread Susan Hoffman
Little Noses brand salineBut it sounds like you may need a heavier duty 
antibiotic.  What antibiotic was already given?  I swear by zithromax but have 
also seen good results from the Convenia antibiotic injection.

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 From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Helping kitty with extreme congestion
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 2:37 PM
 As I wrote in my previous post on
 mixing, my little kitty is extremely congested.  The
 vet has given him antibiotics and anti-inflammatory
 medicine, but since he isn't too interested in eating, I am
 having trouble getting them into him.  I have very
 limited access to medications or natural remedies unless
 they are homemade using easily accessible ingredients. 
 I read something about saline drops or using children's
 Afrin.  Does anyone have any suggestions?
 
 Thank you,
 Melinda and VooDoo
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] gentian violet for ringworm-how?

2010-04-02 Thread Susan Hoffman
No one, cat or human, will lick gholdenseal a second time.  try it.  You'll 
understand why.  I once tried to make a suspesion of goldenseal in honey for 
myself and it still tasted foul.

--- On Fri, 4/2/10, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:

 From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] gentian violet for ringworm-how?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, April 2, 2010, 8:01 PM
 I have used Gentian Violet for many
 years for ringworm, and Golden Seal for not quite as long,
 and both seem to work well.  No I don't dilute it,
 never thought of it, but you might try it.  I always
 start with Golden Seal because it's not as , uh, purple as
 the Gentian Violet, ha!  It's also a treatment for
 thrush in the mouth, but I don't think it's very tempting to
 use in the mouth, or lick (for a kitty).
 
 Gloria
 
 
 
 
 On Apr 2, 2010, at 6:45 PM, Emeraldkittee wrote:
 
  some have mentioned using this or goldenseal as a
 natural treatment for ringwormI assume it comes in a
 tincture, like goldenseal can?  should it be diluted
 with water and applied with cotton?  I assume it's ok
 if they lick some of it off?
  
  thank you.
  
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Second Chance Meows

2010-03-25 Thread Susan Hoffman
You'll probably hear from Michael very soon.  I think he is on this list.  But 
just in case, I am cc'ing him on this email.

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 From: lernermiche...@aol.com lernermiche...@aol.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Second Chance Meows
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 4:03 PM
 
  
 
  Hi. Does anyone know where this sanctuary is, if it's
 still in existence (I know they were having financial
 difficulties) and how to contact them? My TNR group has an
 FeLV+ cat, really great big 2 year old love mush, and have
 not been able to place him and don't want to just keep him
 in a cage. He is currently being fostered by someone who is
 also fostering a bunch of negatives, so he can only get out
 of the cage when they are confined. We all know that is not
 good for a positive cat. I saw some posts here that Second
 Chance Meow is a good place. 
 
 Thanks,
 Michelle
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Foster mom of FeLV+ cat

2010-03-03 Thread Susan Hoffman
Yes, thsnk you and your group for roling with the punches and taking on the 
task of fostering and finding a home for an FeLV+ cat.  Let me offer a glimmer 
of hope -- We recently had a handsome Siamese boy tesrt FeLV+  We figured we 
would have to send him to Michael at Second Chance Meows (thank you Michael!) 
but we decided to also list him for adoption via normal routes (Petfinder and 
craigslist) and we actually found a wonderful home for him.  The woman who is 
adopting Sumo saw him on petfinder.  So i would really suggest going through 
the usual adoption channels, write a great bio, get great photos.  And just 
work it the way you would any other adoption.  Magic happpens.  Be open to the 
possibility.

--- On Wed, 3/3/10, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Foster mom of FeLV+ cat
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 4:29 PM
 I just wanted to say how much I
 commend you and your rescue group for not making euthanasia
 an option! that is soo heartening to hear!  I hope the
 perfect solution comes together for you both.
  
 Shannon
 
 --- On Wed, 3/3/10, Trish Sebben trishseb...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
 
 From: Trish Sebben trishseb...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Foster mom of FeLV+ cat
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 4:18 PM
 
 
 
 Hi,
 
 My foster kitty, Zelda, has been diagnosed FeLV+ (snap test
 and IFA). I am seeking advice on the best way to care for
 Zelda, who is about a year old and has no symptoms, and also
 looking for resources and ideas for adoption. She has had
 extensive bloodwork, and our vet says she is an otherwise
 healthy girl.
 
 Any advice, particularly regarding adoption resources for
 FeLV+ cats, would be greatly appreciated. She has a home
 here as long as she needs it, and I will move mountains if
 necessary to find an adoptive home for her. She currently
 has her own room at my house, but I can tell she is a social
 girl, and she deserves a home of her own. I have four FeLV
 negative cats of my own, and don't want her to spend her
 life in a small room by herself.
 
 I am observing normal sanitary protocols - she is separate
 from my cats with no contact, and I thoroughly wash up when
 entering and leaving her room.
 
 Right now she is being treated for bartonella, which all of
 the cats from the colony she came from have tested positive
 for, and is two weeks into her three week treatment. We also
 treated her for coccydia.  She's been spayed and
 vaccinated.
 
 Is there anything else I should be doing for her besides
 providing a warm, quiet environment and lots of love?
 Thanks for any info you can provide - this is my rescue's
 first FeLV case. It was suggested that I send her to
 sanctuary, but I see that option as a last resort, and don't
 want to turn my back so quickly on this sweet girl who has
 put her trust in me.
 
 Thanks!
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] To Michael Johnson and Second Chance Meows Sanctuary

2010-01-25 Thread Susan Hoffman
I can vouch for Michael, as can a few other people on this list.  I personally 
delivered a hard luck FeLV+ cat to Michael last summer so I have met his cats 
and his two-footed family.



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 From: Emma Lively givelov...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] To Michael Johnson and Second Chance Meows Sanctuary
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 2:34 PM
 Hello,
 
 My name is Emma and I'm new to this group. I joined after
 reading about your current situation at facebook.com. I
 sympathize with you because a few months ago I too was in
 the horrible nightmare of losing my home. It was a terrible
 time in my life.
 I wish to help but would like to know more about you and
 Second Chance Meows Sanctuary. 
 Maybe posting some references would be a good idea. This
 way people who don't know you but want to help can do so
 with security.
 Just an idea ; )
 
 I have 5 cats and although none have leukemia I know how
 hard it can be at times to provide for our pets. Specially
 when they get sick.
 It must be extremely difficult for you right now and this
 is why I would like to help.
 
 
 
       
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: a little help needed

2010-01-24 Thread Susan Hoffman
MC, please DO cross-post to FeLVPositiveCats.  I missed that one.

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 From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: a little help needed
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 2:17 PM
 hi, michael--
 
 sorry to hear about the troubles. i can't do anything
 before the deadline
 here, as i'm on disability, and sort of overstepped my
 allotment for january
 already...
 
 something that you might think about, tho, is asking folks
 to do a monthly
 stipend--we're paying a rent payment of $800/month just
 that way, with most
 folks just sending $5 or $10 a month. even folks like me
 can manage the $5
 amount! (and could do so for you, too.) remember that a lot
 of folks feel
 that the only thing they have to offer is money, because
 they can't take in
 another critter, and they can't do transport or physically
 have the time to
 volunteer at a shelter or event. we always tell them that
 money is a very
 acceptable thing for them to give people want to help,
 and will if they
 can--you're not forcing them to, you're just letting them
 know that there is
 need.
 
 would you mind if i posted the link on the other FeLV list
 that susan
 hoffman and i moderate (FeLVPositiveCats)? i'd mostly let
 your chip-in page
 speak for itself, but mention that both susan and i have
 worked with your
 personally.
 
 let me know!
 
 MC
 
 
 On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Second Chance Meows 
 secondchanceme...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
 
 
   Michael Johnson
  Founder/Owner
  Second Chance Meows
  A FeLV Sanctuary
 
 
 
  - Forwarded Message 
  From: Second Chance Meows secondchanceme...@yahoo.com
  To: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 11:47:56 PM
  Subject: a little help needed
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   Hey everyone,
   I writing today because we here at Second Chance
 need some help.  back in
  Oct Our son had to go to the hospital for major
 surgery and spent 14 days in
  the ICU  and we kind of fell behind in some
 things. I know lots of you don't
  know me real well but those of you that do know i
 don't ask for help  but i
  do give it. please take the link and pass it around to
 all you know if you
  would. I'm trying to do some fund raising to help us
 keep our house so the 8
  cats we have will continue to have a home.
 
  just follow the link to our donation page or pass it
 along to others if you
  will
 
  http://secondchancemeows.chipin.com/second-chance-meows
 
   Michael Johnson
  Founder/Owner
  Second Chance Meows
  A FeLV Sanctuary
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-09 Thread Susan Hoffman
Have all the other outside cats been tested?  How long have they been living 
with that group of cats?

We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for at least 4 years 
now.  She and a small feral colony came with the house.  Last year I tested her 
best buddy because I thought I might have a home for him and he was negative.  
So it really isn't that transmissible within a healthy adult population.  

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
 Hi everyone.  Anyone know of any cat
 sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats.  The mother and
 father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not fixed.  I
 went to the vet today to make appointments to get them fixed
 and they want me to euthanize them instead to protect other
 cats.  However, I don't think I can do that because they
 aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to get
 sick.  Any info would be appreciated!  Thanks - Crystal
 
 
       
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-09 Thread Susan Hoffman
Agreed.

Also, be very careful about so-called sanctuaries.  You really need to visit 
them personally to be sure they are decent places.  So many seem to crash and 
burn amid allegations of abuse and neglect.

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:

 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM
 We have trapped two large groups. In
 each group one was FeLV+. None of the
 others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned to the
 colony. The other guy
 was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on this list
 had a negative
 living with a group of positives for about 6 years. He
 never tested
 positive.
 Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the cats inside
 and separate. Not
 the vet's decision. Yours.
 L
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
 Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 
 Have all the other outside cats been tested?  How long
 have they been living
 with that group of cats?
 
 We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for
 at least 4 years
 now.  She and a small feral colony came with the
 house.  Last year I tested
 her best buddy because I thought I might have a home for
 him and he was
 negative.  So it really isn't that transmissible
 within a healthy adult
 population.  
 
 --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
  Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
  Hi everyone.  Anyone know of any cat
  sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats.  The mother
 and
  father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not
 fixed.  I
  went to the vet today to make appointments to get them
 fixed
  and they want me to euthanize them instead to protect
 other
  cats.  However, I don't think I can do that because
 they
  aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to get
  sick.  Any info would be appreciated!  Thanks -
 Crystal
  
  
        
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

2009-12-09 Thread Susan Hoffman
Was that 10th Life Sanctuary in Florida?  Did you get your kitty back?

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com wrote:

 From: Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:43 PM
 
 I couldn't agree more...having just found out that the
 'sanctuary' one of my feral fosters was taken to has been
 closed down by law enforcement...I drove down there the day
 after Thanksgiving to find her and bring her backlet me
 just add that this place looked great onlinebut I saw
 with my own eyes that there ARE 'fates worse than
 death'.please be cautious
 Debbie (COL)
 Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard
 battle  Philo
 
 
  
  Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:33:09 -0800
  From: susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat
 Sanctuaries
  
  Agreed.
  
  Also, be very careful about so-called sanctuaries.
 You really need to visit them personally to be sure they are
 decent places. So many seem to crash and burn amid
 allegations of abuse and neglect.
  
  --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 wrote:
  
   From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat
 Sanctuaries
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM
   We have trapped two large groups. In
   each group one was FeLV+. None of the
   others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned
 to the
   colony. The other guy
   was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on
 this list
   had a negative
   living with a group of positives for about 6
 years. He
   never tested
   positive.
   Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the
 cats inside
   and separate. Not
   the vet's decision. Yours.
   L
   
   -Original Message-
   From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
   [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
   On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
   Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat
 Sanctuaries
   
   Have all the other outside cats been
 tested?  How long
   have they been living
   with that group of cats?
   
   We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our
 house for
   at least 4 years
   now.  She and a small feral colony came with
 the
   house.  Last year I tested
   her best buddy because I thought I might have a
 home for
   him and he was
   negative.  So it really isn't that
 transmissible
   within a healthy adult
   population.  
   
   --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
   wrote:
   
From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat
 Sanctuaries
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
Hi everyone.  Anyone know of any cat
sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+
 cats.  The mother
   and
father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and
 not
   fixed.  I
went to the vet today to make appointments
 to get them
   fixed
and they want me to euthanize them instead
 to protect
   other
cats.  However, I don't think I can do
 that because
   they
aren't but I don't want any other outside
 cats to get
sick.  Any info would be
 appreciated!  Thanks -
   Crystal


          

   
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

2009-12-07 Thread Susan Hoffman
If the pheremones don't work then talk to your vet about antianxiety meds, 
either prozac or elavil, at least for awhile till he begins to get over 
whatever is in his past. (I had one cat on prozac for years.  It made all the 
difference in the world.)

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 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, Mari meko...@mycomhouston.com, 
 tlstick...@yahoo.com
 Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 8:42 AM
 Tamara,
 I'm forwarding this individually to Mari as I know she has
 experience with this.  She's on the list, but I think
 on digest and I want to make sure she sees this.
  Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito
 
 
 My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should
 impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases
 him, and making me smile. 
 - Anonymous
 
 
 
 
 
 From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 10:37:33 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in
 cat?
 
 Hello all,
  
 This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured
 with all the cat care-giving/rescuing experience of the
 people on this list, perhaps someone would have an answer
 for me.
  
 I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago.  Had him
 neutered and vetted.  He had/has many issues including
 being prone to kidney crystals and infections -which I think
 we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder
 additive to his food.  He used to be very aggressive
 towards other cats (something for which my other cat still
 hasn't completely forgiven him for) and he truly believes
 himself to be a dog.  He has no fear at ALL of people,
 cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and
 will go into his crate if you just mention it...(something
 even my DOG REFUSES to do!).  But..there is one major
 obstacle to completely incorporating him into the household:
 he has night terrors.
  
 Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own
 room whenever I'm not home  at night, but I have been
 trying to get to the point where he can be allowed to sleep
 with us.  Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares
 where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3
 feet HIGH) from a dead sleep and FLEES until he hits
 something - usually a wall or piece of furniture- hard
 enough to wake him up.  Then he sits all hunched up and
 blinking for a few minutes.  If I go to him he
 immediately starts to purr and rolls over for a belly rub -
 only after head-butting me a few dozen times.
  
 I've had him to the vet thinking he was having painful
 spasms or something.  All she could find were old
 injuries that looked like a car accident may have hit him in
 the hip area (all healed - he moves fine) and what appear to
 be 3 bebes still lodged in the back of his neck and shoulder
 area.  She doesn't think they would be the cause of
 pain now...but both injuries tell something of the first
 year or two of his life.
  
 I've tried feline pheromones ...he still has the
 episodes.  
  
 As much as I hate putting him in a room by himself at
 night, while the cat and dog and I share a bedwhen he
 freaks out at night- it sets off a chain reaction of the
 other cat going all hissy-spazzy and the dog barking and
 chasing one or both around the condo until he fully wakes up
 and calms down (I'm surprised my neighbors haven't
 complained yet!).  (Not to mentionI've gotten
 kicked in the eye and face time and again as one or more of
 the animals flee from the shock of Mica's night terrors.
  
 Has anyone EVER experienced something like this that's
 on-going?
  
 Does anyone have ANY suggestions other than time? 
 (He's been an indoor only cat for 3 years nowand while
 the dreams do seem to be getting lessat the current
 rate- he'll have to live well into his thirties until they
 are gone...-I'm not certain I could survive that! ;-)
  
 Thanks,
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

2009-12-07 Thread Susan Hoffman
Seizures only when the cat is sleeping would seem unlikely.  I had an epileptic 
cat and her seizures were always when she was awake.

--- On Mon, 12/7/09, tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 12:19 PM
 ok... I suppose I will have to
 research the possiblity of seizures more closely.  thx.
 
 --- On Mon, 12/7/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 
 From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in
 cat?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 2:39 PM
 
 
 i'm with the folks suggesting prozac/elavil--tho the other
 thing i'm
 wondering about is whether it could be a seizure disorder.
 another inactive
 member of this list has a CH (cerebellar hypoplasia) kitty
 who has seizures
 in her sleep.
 
 the other thing, tho with it happening in sleep isn't as
 likely, would be
 some sort of hyperesthesia syndrome resulting from the
 early trauma: there's
 a kitty who was set on fire when he was young, and his
 burns were never
 treated, and he has to be on depomedrol, or he turns into a
 mainely-coonie
 fiend if he is touched at all--it's almost as if the nerve
 pathways were
 knocked way out of whack, and didn't get rewired
 correctly.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?-Diane R

2009-12-07 Thread Susan Hoffman
I would lean more towards Elavil, I think.  But a lot depends on why the cat is 
doing this, whether it is physical or psychological.

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 From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?-Diane R
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 3:36 PM
 Tamara, you've gotten a lot of
 advise.  I've had a lot of cats do strange things but
 nothing like Mica's night terrors.  If you tried the
 Feliway diffusers and it didn't help I'm not sure what else
 you can do.  A low dose of Prozac before bedtime might
 be the answer.
 Sharyl
 
 
  On Dec 7, 2009, at 2:47 PM, tamara stickler wrote:
  
   survivor - yes...Little - HA!  if ONLY! ;-)
   
   Unfortunately, no, I can't arrange so he gets
 quality
  time at night.  The dog, also a rescue, suffers from
  separation anxietyif I were to lock him out of the
 room
  - he'd howl all night and pee on everything! (much as
 he
  does ALL DAY when I'm at work!) plus both
 Tobias-Rat
  (the dog)  Coebieo (the other cat) have
  IBDstressful situations, changes in routine
 triggers an
  attack.Micatullyvhim is my healthy one!
   
   And lastly...when he boltshe does so
  blindly.  I've been scratched in the eyeball from
 one
  of his back claws as he fled across my face, slammed
 in the
  head by his head as he bolted from the couch (I was
 sitting
  in front of it on the floor).  I'd like not to go to
  bed having to wear a helmet and pads!
   
   The good thing is, I suppose, that he doesn't
 seem to
  NEED me to get comfortable or to sleep or feel
 safe. 
  That has come from his independant nature to begin
 with and
  from the last three years of having his own room at
  night.  It's only been the last year and a half
 where
  I've let him into the rest of the condo ALL DAY when
 I'm
  home.  But his aggression with Coebeio (a much older
  and smaller - only 7-8 pounds compared to his 18lb.
 frame)
  is improvingalthough I can't wait for the day when
 he
  FINALLY STOPS being a pain in the arse with her! 
 The
  tully part of his name comes from the nerdy
 character
  played by Rick Moranis in Ghostbusters who used to
 annoy
  Sigorny Weaver's character...(and just like that
 character,
  Mica used to open doors constantly, only to lock
 himself on
  the wrong side!).  Much of the night those first few
  months was spent rescuing him from closets and
 cabinets
  that he had managed to get into only to have them
 close
  back
   on him locking him insidewhere of course he'd
 mew
  in that tiny cat voice of his CONTINUOUSLY like some
 kind of
  cat variation of Chinese water torture, until I came
 to free
  him!  I finally had to put child-proof locks on
  everything!
   
   Thanks for the imput tho!
   T
   
   
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   Wow, what a little survivor Mica is!
   is there a way
   that you could sleep with just Mica for a while?
 Maybe
  being with you would
   calm his terrors a little, and if it's just you
 and
  him you won't have that
   chain reaction.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten

2009-11-23 Thread Susan Hoffman
The skepticism is by people who have dealt with FIP and been brought to our 
knees by it.  Any active rescue person has seen repeated cases of FIP.  We have 
tried all manner of treatment, very often without success.  And when we have 
had what could be called success it was always a situation where we could not 
be sure that we were dealing with FIP.  We've earned our skepticism the hard 
way and have learned not to get our hopes up with this disease.

I am thrilled that your kitten survived.  But I am not convinced that we now 
have a viable treatment for FIP.  But I do hope for that to come eventually.

--- On Mon, 11/23/09, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote:

 From: jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 2:29 PM
 I find the skepticism and questioning
 surrounding the diagnosis and
 treatment of FIP interesting.  I have to say, however,
 that every laboratory
 test, whether it be in human or veterinary medicine, is
 subject to failure;
 either giving false positives or false negatives. 
 This is a far more common
 problem than most people may understand.  Nothing is
 100% in any test,
 ever.  The best and really only currently known way to
 deal with this is by
 looking at the clinical presentation, history and lab work
 together.
 
 In this case, the presence of coronavirus in a related
 kitten, the age of
 the kitten, the clinical symptoms of fever, anemia and
 central nervous
 system impairment, I would say, that you are very very very
 likely looking
 at FIP or at least the entity in how it is
 understood.  As far as diagnosing
 it by autopsy, it can also be done with a tissue
 biopsy.  You are looking
 for pyogenicgranulomas,  a histologic (microscopic)
 diagnosis.  FIP is an
 entity that is not entirely understood therefore
 diagnosiing it accurately
 is difficult.  It is simply a constellation of
 symptoms and lab work.  That
 is precisely what you are looking at in this situation.
 
 What I am saying is that there is a cyclical line of
 reasoning here.  FIP
 cannot be easily diagnosed and all are in agreement with
 that, so dismissing
 that this is FIP on the grounds that it's not been
 definitively diagnosed is
 nonsensical.  Given the fact that it fulfills most of
 the criteria for FIP
 we have to go with the most likely scenario that it
 is.  It fits a non
 effusive form of FIP almost perfectly.
 
 Given that, I am excited about the possibility of a
 treatment.  Whatever
 this cat had, whatever you believe was the diagnosis (and
 by the way it is
 obvious that extensive tests, looking to identify alternate
 causes, were
 done).  Whether you call FIP a wastebasket diagnosis,
 this cat responded and
 survived.  The other cat, with identical symptoms, did
 not receive this full
 treatment and died.  There is some success here,
 whatever your belief on
 the diagnosis is.
 
 I understand skepticism but there something happened here,
 even with don't
 fully understand what.  Is it not worth, therefore,
 investigating?
 
 Well, that's just my opinion.
 
 Jenny
 
 
 On 11/23/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  corona virus titres do NOT prove FIP. cats can have
 high FeCoV titres and
  not progress to FIP, and cats who have progressed to
 FIP can have low
  titres
  because their exposure was so long before that the
 virus itself is out of
  their systems, although the FIP mutation is not.
 
  FIP is the new favorite diagnosis for, we haven't a
 clue.
 
  like susan, i would love for there to be an answer for
 FIP--it's much worse
  than FeLV, because there's no way to predict who will
 get it, no way to
  prevent it, and no way to treat it. but calling
 everything FIP, as has
  become the habit over the past three years or so, just
 makes actual
  diagnosis and learning more muddier.
 
  MC
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten

2009-11-19 Thread Susan Hoffman
I want a solution to FIP.  FIP has killed cats in my care and ravaged my 
spirit.  I do not foster tiny kittens because I cannot deal with FIP.  So I 
want this to be real,  a real solution to FIP.  But I have to say

The only way to make a definitive diagnoe of FIP is by necropsy.  Was a 
necropsy performed?  How do you KNOW it was FIP?

--- On Thu, 11/19/09, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote:

 From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 9:42 PM
 I'm Very glad that Angelica has
 gotten better.  However, at least with what
 you wrote, I don't see a diagnosis of FIP.  Was this a
 diagnosis made by a
 vet?  Were there some tests run with results that were
 indicative of FIP, or
 was this just from observation of clinical signs? 
 
 Gary
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of S. Jewell
 Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 9:02 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old
 kitten
 
 Hi, All, 
 
  
 
 Just dropping in to post about the success I have had in
 reversing FIP in one of my kittens.  
   
 
  
 
 I pulled three six-week-old kittens from a kill shelter
 last
 June and they have been healthy, happy and thriving. 
 Then,
 following their FVRCP vaccinations on October 8, 10 days
 later one of them, Chuckie, began with chronic high
 fevers,
 lethargy and inappetence.  When he didn't rebound in a
 few
 days, I, like so many others, took him for conventional
 veterinary treatment which consisted of the routine
 antibiotics and steroids.  When he did not respond to
 their
 treatment they simply returned a diagnosis of Fever of
 Unknown Origin, and sent me on my way, at which time I
 proceeded to a second, and yet a third specialty vet.
 They all returned the same diagnosis and basically
 dismissed
 Chuckie and me with no hope.  
 
  
 
 I had no idea of what to do next but since I had seen such
 good results with intravenous vitamin C in my
 lymphosarcoma
 cat Linus (who is still alive nearly two years after his
 original diagnosis thanks to the treatments), I took
 Chuckie
 to my vet who performs the ascorbate treatments for me and
 Chuckie was started on IV ascorbic acid immediately. 
 He
 received five days of the treatment but not consecutively
 and apparently at less then adequate dosages because
 though
 he seemed much improved by the fifth drip, we mistakenly
 stopped the drips thinking he would remain better and two
 days later he manifested with severe neurological symptoms
 and two days after that he was dead.  
 
  
 
 At around the same time Chuckie was dying his sister
 Angelica then became sick with the identical symptoms and
 stopped eating and had some transient neurological
 involvement.  This time, with the pain from Chuckie's
 death
 and failed conventional treatment still very fresh, I
 realized that if Angelica was going to be saved we would
 have to bypass conventional vet medicine and get her
 started
 on the intravenous ascorbate immediately.  
 
  
 
 Her drips were begun on Tuesday, November 10 and according
 to the protocol of Wendell Belfield, DVM she was titrated
 up
 quickly to 2 grams per pound of body weight (she weighed 5
 pounds and so she was receiving close to 10 grams of
 vitamin
 C intravenously by the third or fourth day).  Vitamin
 C is a
 powerful virucidal and immune stimulant and because I work
 in this field, I am well familiar with the properties of
 this near miracle supplement.  See
 http://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/198x/smith-lh-clinica
 l_guide_1988.htm for information as to why and how vitamin
 C
 kills viruses.
 
  
 
 As of November 19, 2009 Angelica has received nine
 intravenous ascorbic acid drips and again, we were able to
 successfully achieve the 2g per pound (10,000 mg at each
 drip) with no side effects whatsoever.  After her 6th
 drip
 her fevers began to remain down overnight (as Belfield
 predicted would happen), and now after 9 drips she is
 eating, putting on weight, and her fevers are consistently
 gone.  Though I'm always afraid to utter it aloud,
 especially after losing two other babies to what I now
 believe was FIP in both cases, Angelica appears to have
 beaten this despicable disease thanks to the power of
 intravenous ascorbate and the work of vitamin C pioneers
 like Linus Pauling and Dr. Wendell Belfield in vet
 medicine.
 
 
  
 
 Sally Snyder Jewell
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] rabies shot needed for transport?

2009-10-14 Thread Susan Hoffman
When was the last rabies vaccine?  Perhaps a titre test to see if that vaccine 
is still effective?

While I understand and agree with your concerns, there is another issue.  What 
if the cat gets stressed and bites someone?  (Those of us who work with ferals 
say that the rabies vaccine's greater purpose is to protect the cat against 
ignorant humans.)

Perhaps consider titre testing and also look at what rabies vaccine would be 
the easiest on the system.

--- On Wed, 10/14/09, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
 Subject: [Felvtalk] rabies shot needed for transport?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, October 14, 2009, 1:24 PM
 Hi everyone,
 
 This isn't exactly FeLV related, but my vet is apparently
 insisting that Ember get a rabies vax before she gets on the
 plane. Is this really necessary? It doesn't look like
 Northwest/Delta (the airline we'd use) has a requirement.
 I'd think that Wisconsin could issue a waiver so we don't
 have to do this. Between the anisocoria, low wbc and the
 probably normal, occasional vomits I've been seeing, I'm
 already really anxious about her health.
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] TNR Feral Colonies

2009-09-30 Thread Susan Hoffman
We also do not test feral cats being returned to colonies.  We only test cats 
who are being fostered for adoption. Just can't afford to test everyone and, if 
a feral cat comes back positive, it can raise some unnecessary issues.

--- On Wed, 9/30/09, Debbie Harrison dlh1...@hotmail.com wrote:

 From: Debbie Harrison dlh1...@hotmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR Feral Colonies
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 1:30 PM
 
 I do TNR also...and I have to agree with Sharyl...this
 money is coming out of my own pockets...I cannot afford to
 spay/neuter/vaccinate...but I do.  These cats will be
 returned to their colony as long as their health is good...I
 wish I could afford every test and every preventative
 vaccine, but I am doing the best I can with what I
 earn.  I haven't had any kittens to worry about in the
 past two years, so I feel fortunate.
 
 Debbie (COL)
 Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard
 battle  Philo
 
 
  
  Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:57:28 -0700
  From: cline...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] TNR Feral Colonies
  
  Not sure how all TNR individuals or groups handle the
 situation of FIV and/or FeLV+ colony members. I'm on the
 Feral Cat group. Most TNR is done by individuals or small
 groups. 
  
  TNR = Trap, Neuter, Release
  
  Since the plan is to release the cat back to its
 original colony/location, very few folks test for FIV or
 FeLV. To be frank they can't afford the test and the results
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D

2009-09-02 Thread Susan Hoffman
You CAN find A/D online without a prescription but typically the added shipping 
cost makes the stuff prohibitively expensive.

Just google the following -- feline a/d buy -- and you'll find places to buy 
without a prescription



- Original Message 
From: jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 10:17:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D

Generally you need a prescription for A/D food although it is usually easily
acquired.  You can get it at almost any vet clinic.  It is called A/D food,
made by Science Diet - they have a number of different types of food, with
similiar names, depending on the disease process being targeted - i/d, w/d,
c/d, etc.

Good luck


On 9/2/09, Sander, Sue sue.san...@ssa.gov wrote:

 Where do you buy A/D?  Is that the REAL name if I went into a store?

 Susan

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 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
 felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
 Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:24 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D

 A/D is a specially prepared canned cat food that is high nutrition and very
 palatable.

 As far as tofu is concerned, I have cats who like soy products but it is
 not nutritionallly complete for cats so I would not let a cat try to live
 oin it.  But I'll give most cats whatever appeals to them as a treat,.



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 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Cc: Emily Hunter emilyofw...@aol.com
 Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:08:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D

 ok, it is getting late and my brain is fuzzy - what is A/D?  IS TOFU GOOD
 FOR CATS?
  Emily Hunter emilyofw...@aol.com wrote:
 
  Just a quick question for future referrence, since all of my babies
  are eating fine at the moment. I'm considering just keeping some of
  the A/D on hand since my cats don't always get sick when the vet's
  open. How long is it generally good for? In addition to Tofu being
  positive, I've been cautioned to really keep a close eye on our
  20-lbs- er. (He is fat, but he and his littermates all have huge
  frames as well, so 20lbs, while not being good, isn't quite as bad as it
 seems.
  He is losing weight slowly since I've taken most of the treats away
  from Mom!)
 
  -Emily
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary

2009-08-30 Thread Susan Hoffman
Yeah, that and an end to world hunger and peace in our timeTill, then, we 
just keep treading water and do the best we can.



- Original Message 
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 1:40:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary

yes, a sanctuary in every ton would be ideal, but so would a world where people 
did not hurt one another and animals just for the fun of it.  until that tim, 
we have to do the best we can for ourselves and our animals.  try to live our 
lives as an example to othersand hope they catch on.  till that time, i will 
continue to take in any cat that comes my way, give them love, shelter and 
food.  what time God gives them on this earth will at least be happier for 
them.  this time around, i got 2 by way of my vet.  he can't stand to put them 
down, so he fixes/heals them and waits for me t come in.  he said i have sucker 
written on my forehead just as plain as day.  dorlis 
 MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: 
 just to cause more trouble, as i'm so good at doing, not separating is NOT
 necessarily the worse thing, if death is the only alternative. FIVs are
 generally the healthiest populations at any sanctuary, and they throw off
 FeLV at the same or possibly a higher rate than any other
 cat--double-positives will often end up testing positive only for FIV after
 living in a FeLV environment.
 
 remember that most cats who end up in sanctuary settings are NOT up for
 adoption--if they were considered adoptable, and rescues or shelters were
 willing to try to find them homes, they wouldn't be going to sanctuaries.
 while some sanctuaries do have active adoption programs, many do not, for
 very good reasons: they have to spend their time and money taking care of
 unwanted, undesirable, unadoptable cats.
 
 folks who are willing to adopt FIVs and FeLVs are far more willing, also, to
 be--or equally willing to be--educable about the facts re: the two viruses,
 and understand that living with FeLVs in order to live doesn't mean you're
 gonna BE one of the them.
 
 which is not a blanket endorsement of the practice, but if we truly believe
 what we're saying, and what the research is showing us, we have to carry it
 out further--it'd be great if there were an FIV/FeLV sanctuary in every
 town, with a separate room for each population, but it ain't happening, and
 these cats do NOT deserve to die for lack of space.
 
 MC
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D

2009-08-30 Thread Susan Hoffman
A/D is a specially prepared canned cat food that is high nutrition and very 
palatable.

As far as tofu is concerned, I have cats who like soy products but it is not 
nutritionallly complete for cats so I would not let a cat try to live oin it.  
But I'll give most cats whatever appeals to them as a treat,.



- Original Message 
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: Emily Hunter emilyofw...@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 4:08:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about A/D

ok, it is getting late and my brain is fuzzy - what is A/D?  IS TOFU GOOD FOR 
CATS?
 Emily Hunter emilyofw...@aol.com wrote: 
 
 Just a quick question for future referrence, since all of my babies  
 are eating fine at the moment. I'm considering just keeping some of  
 the A/D on hand since my cats don't always get sick when the vet's  
 open. How long is it generally good for? In addition to Tofu being  
 positive, I've been cautioned to really keep a close eye on our 20-lbs- 
 er. (He is fat, but he and his littermates all have huge frames as  
 well, so 20lbs, while not being good, isn't quite as bad as it seems.  
 He is losing weight slowly since I've taken most of the treats away  
 from Mom!)
 
 -Emily
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[Felvtalk] Update: Snowball has made it to Reno

2009-08-25 Thread Susan Hoffman
Just wanted to update everyone.  Snowball, the FeLV+ cat in Los Angeles, has 
made it to his home/sanctuary in Reno, Nevada.  Just got a voicemail from 
Michael at Second Chance Meow and Snowball is settling in so easily that you 
would think he had always lived there.  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Update: Snowball has made it to Reno

2009-08-25 Thread Susan Hoffman
He had quite the adventure along the way, with the first overnight in LA and 
the second overnight near Sacramento.  At each stop he got a private room, 
catered meals, catnip.  And he shared a turkey sandwich with the truck driver 
who took him from Bakersfield to Sacramento.  He was a great traveler, not at 
all stressed out.  I think he may have actually enjoyed his little road trip.



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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 11:01:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update: Snowball has made it to Reno

Thanks for this. I was just wondering about Snowball last night!!!

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 12:58 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Update: Snowball has made it to Reno

Just wanted to update everyone.  Snowball, the FeLV+ cat in Los Angeles, has
made it to his home/sanctuary in Reno, Nevada.  Just got a voicemail from
Michael at Second Chance Meow and Snowball is settling in so easily that you
would think he had always lived there.  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Snowball

2009-08-25 Thread Susan Hoffman
Yes it does, it  gets much easier.  I always tell people that if you foster 
long enough you'll reach the point where you cry when they DON'T leave.



- Original Message 
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Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Snowball


Letting go never gets any easier, Reynabut we do what we pray is the right 
thing for them.

Debbie (COL)
Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle  Philo



 Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:08:06 -0700
 From: rcpin...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Snowball
 
 HELLO EVERYONE,
  
 I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL WHO HELPED SNOWBALL. THANK YOU FOR 
 HELPING HIM GET TO HIS FOREVER HOME. YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME!
  
 I spoke to Michael a few minutes ago and Snowball is doing great. He is 
 getting along pretty well with the family and other cats. I'm so happy. 
 Michael will post pictures soon.
  
 Before Snowball I knew nothing about rescue. I'm glad he came into my life 
 and made me aware of the harsh lives of stray and abandoned cats. 
  
 I admire all the people who do rescue because although is rewarding it is 
 also sad.  I cried when Snowball left. I miss him so much. 
 It's hard to let go but we have to do what is best for the animal. That is 
 the one thing about rescue that I don't like is saying Goodbye. 
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a Sanctuary

2009-08-24 Thread Susan Hoffman
Never heard of them.  

According to their website they've only been around since 2005.  Lots-of-cats 
in a rural setting always makes me nervous.  And, whoa!  They want a $5000 
surrender fee for a healthy cat and $7500 to take in an FIV or FeLV cat.  I 
guess that's one way to make sure you don't wind up with too many animals.



- Original Message 
From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:02:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a 
Sanctuary

http://www.loveandhopeforanimals.org/

has anyone ever heard of these folks before?

i find it really scary how many sanctuaries keep appearing, with no history
in the FIV/FeLV community.

MC

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Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a Sanctuary

2009-08-24 Thread Susan Hoffman
Hmmm.  Only 10 cats listed for adoption on their petfinder site.  And only one 
of those, an FIV+ boy, is listed as special needs.  

This also makes me suspicious about the long term viability of the place.  You 
have to be committed to finding homes for the cats.  They need human families, 
attention, and they won't get that in a giant sanctuary setting.  And if you're 
not focused on adoptions, you have to strictly limit your intake to avoid 
becoming overwhelmed.



- Original Message 
From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a 
Sanctuary

Never heard of them.  

According to their website they've only been around since 2005.  Lots-of-cats 
in a rural setting always makes me nervous.  And, whoa!  They want a $5000 
surrender fee for a healthy cat and $7500 to take in an FIV or FeLV cat.  I 
guess that's one way to make sure you don't wind up with too many animals.



- Original Message 
From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:02:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a 
Sanctuary

http://www.loveandhopeforanimals.org/

has anyone ever heard of these folks before?

i find it really scary how many sanctuaries keep appearing, with no history
in the FIV/FeLV community.

MC

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Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a Sanctuary

2009-08-24 Thread Susan Hoffman
That's really the bottom line.  Someone has to visit the place in person.

If I paid that kind of money to surrender one of my cats, I would expect 
whoever took the money would move heaven and earth to find the cat a real 
home.  I really expect that any remotely adoptable cat will at least be listed 
for adoption.



- Original Message 
From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 5:12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a 
Sanctuary

I wouldn't say having only 10 cats listed for adoption is necessarily
suspicious.  It is - at least partly - a sanctuary and not an adoption
center.  If I paid from five to ten thousand to get a cat in there, I would
probably expect he is going to stay for life, why else would I pay that kind
of money?  It doesn't appear to be so huge that the cats wouldn't get any
individual attention.  Overcrowding is much less like when the entry fee is
that high.

This doesn't mean it is a good place, we just don't know.  Do we have anyone
in that area who could take a look?

Gary


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a
Sanctuary

Hmmm.  Only 10 cats listed for adoption on their petfinder site.  And only
one of those, an FIV+ boy, is listed as special needs.  

This also makes me suspicious about the long term viability of the place. 
You have to be committed to finding homes for the cats.  They need human
families, attention, and they won't get that in a giant sanctuary setting. 
And if you're not focused on adoptions, you have to strictly limit your
intake to avoid becoming overwhelmed.





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Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a Sanctuary

2009-08-24 Thread Susan Hoffman
As I recall, Angel Wings and Tiger Ranch looked pretty spiffy online too.  
Gotta visit the place to really know for sure.



- Original Message 
From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 5:04:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a 
Sanctuary

Never heard of them, but the place sure looks spiffy.  And the price they
get to take a cat should more than cover its care and the upkeep on the
property.  Now if I could get a few donations like that.
Heck, if I got any donations  Ah, I would probably just spend it
foolishly on stuff like cat food, litter and vet bills anyway.

Gary

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 1:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent! FeLV cat -New Jersey- I need to find him a
Sanctuary

http://www.loveandhopeforanimals.org/

has anyone ever heard of these folks before?

i find it really scary how many sanctuaries keep appearing, with no history
in the FIV/FeLV community.

MC



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Re: [Felvtalk] Santuary

2009-08-14 Thread Susan Hoffman
I'm lucky that I'm in the San Francisco/Bay Area.  We have had low cost 
spay/neuter and feral cat programs for well over a decade so we don't have the 
kitten glut so many other places have.  As a result, adoptions tend to be 
pretty strong around here.  Can't imagine doing adoptions in West Virginia.

--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote:

 From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Santuary
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 1:59 PM
 I run a rescue too.  I bought a
 2,000 sq foot building in an
 older section of town and made it into a cageless no kill
 shelter.
 There are 28 cats there, and they have cat trees, second
 hand
 furniture, and all the comforts of home. I also have a
 large FelV
 room. It's a lot of work and expense, but it's my calling
 in life.
 
 However I seem to accumulate more cats than I adopt.
 Everyone
 in our small town seems to have a reason they can't adopt
 or foster!  
 
 Lorrie in WV
 
 On 08-13, Susan Hoffman wrote: It feels like it sometimes
 but no.  I
  run a small rescue.  We average around 150
 adoptions a year and
  have the cats in various foster homes.  Here's
 our petfinder site:
  http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/CA1136.html
  
  I usually take older kittens, teenagers and adults at
 my house. 
  Some seniors and special needs types too.  The
 foster homes are
  usually more into the tiny kittens.
  
  I do wind up sanctuarying some of the harder to place
 cats, or at
  the very least fostering them for a long time till the
 right home
  is found.  I've had some for 12-18 months before
 they were adopted. 
  I also have a weakness for Siamese and will take more
 risks with
  older feral or undersocialized Siamese.  May take
 a year to tame
  them for adoption but, hey, they're gorgous and
 eventually I do
  manage to place them.
  
  Our senior girl who just passed away from a grey and
 white tuxedo
  who had been with us 9 years.  She showed up 9
 years ago, starving
  and hugely pregnant.  We took her in and kept
 her.  She was at
  least 15 on Monday when she went to the bridge,
 possibly older.  I
  know we did right by her all the years that she was
 with us and I'm
  glad she was here so long.  Gave her plenty of
 time to forget her
  former life that had left her in such bad straits by
 the time she
  found us.
  
  
  
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   Do you work at a sanctuary?
 
 
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[Felvtalk] UPDATE Re: Hello, I'm Snowball, Felv+, and I need your help. Please read my story...Thanks!

2009-08-13 Thread Susan Hoffman
http://www.fundable.com/groupactions/groupaction.2009-08-03.8415646672

UPDATE:  We're going to make this work.  We need $80 to meet the revised goal. 
(If we do not meet the goal, all the pledges are forfeited.  And we're past the 
5 day window when the goal can be lowered.)

Second Chance Meow has agreed to take Snowball if we can meet the revised goal 
($330, 10% of which goes to fundable as their fee.)

I'll cover transport costs myself.  Transport has been arranged to get Snowball 
from Los Angeles to Reno.  I will also make arrangements to have him dewormed, 
treated for fleas and given his FVRCP vaccine en route.  (Second Chance Meow 
will still need to get him neutered.)

Please, please, please cross-post this.  We are so very close to target.  We 
have transport.  And this has to work to get Snowball off the streets and into 
a home.


--- On Wed, 8/12/09, Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Hello, I'm Snowball, Felv+, and I need your help. Please 
 read my story...Thanks!
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 9:04 AM
 
 Hello Everyone,
  
 My name is Snowball and I have been given the opportunity
 to be part of a wonderful family and live with other cats
 like me. I can't wait to be in my new home and receive
 and give lots of love.
  
 If Reyna had not rescued me I would have died. When she
 found me I was severely anemic. I could hardly walk and
 open my eyes. I was very sick. After an emergency
 transfusion and 3 days at the hospital I'm doing much better
 now. My appetite and energy are back. I love to play... my
 squeaky mouse is my favorite toy!
  
 She, however, cannot keep me because her family suffers
 from asthma. Also, she is a college student and does not
 have the money to properly care for me. This is why I need
 your help to get to Second Chance Meow (a home based
 sanctuary in Reno, Nevada). 
  
 We all know that cats like me are hard to place in homes
 and usually end up in sanctuaries or shelters. I'm happy to
 be going to a loving and caring home where the people there
 know about this disease and can properly care for me. The
 fundraiser that was set up for me will end in 6 days. We
 still need more donations to make my dream of having a
 family of my own possible. Please help me! You will not
 regret it because you will have made this blue eyed
 cat very happy. : )
  
 Meow,
 Snowball 
  
 Fundraiser:
 http://www.fundable .com/groupaction s/groupaction.
 2009-08-03. 8415646672
 
 
 
       
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rebecca - Tummy troubles

2009-08-13 Thread Susan Hoffman
full blown AIDS  Does Rebecca have FIV (sometimes mistakenly referred to 
as kitty AIDS) or FeLV?

Metronidazole is the metro you're referring to.  It's typically prescribed 
for giardia and other intestinal parasites.

Unless this gets significantly worse, I would hold off on the stool sample till 
your regular vet gets back.  Half the time you get a negative on the fecal test 
only because the parasite has not reached sufficient mass to be detected on the 
test.  A lot of vets treat symptomatically.

Bonus with the metronidazole is that it supposedly will settle an upset tummy 
(I assume this is based on feedback from human patients) and may improve 
appetite.

Are you giving pill or liquid metronidazole?  The stuff is one of the worst 
tasting meds around.  I usually liquify and add a little sugar to make it more 
palatable.  



--- On Thu, 8/13/09, Iva Lark Emily Seaberg melleph...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

 From: Iva Lark Emily Seaberg melleph...@sbcglobal.net
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Rebecca - Tummy troubles
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 9:57 AM
 Rebecca had a significant gum
 infection when she was diagnosed almost two weeks ago and
 the vet had placed her on Clindamyacin twice a day for ten
 days, and Prednisone twice a day for 7 days and then once a
 day for 21 days. I started the Clindamyacin  about 7/8 days
 ago and the Prednisone a few days ago. Becca has gradually
 developed diarrhea, and this morning it was worse, to the
 point she had leaked a bit on the bed where she slept. I
 felt so bad for her! So I called the vet to see about
 stopping the Clinda or if there were other options/causes I
 should be concerned about.
  
 The vet said to give her a quarter of an Immodium AD pill
 twice a day, and reduce the Prednisone to once a day and to
 switch to an antibiotic Metro something for a week. The vet
 said Clinda doesn’t usually give diarrhea? She said it
 could be the Prednisone but her bigger concern is that it
 may be a gut bacteria making her sick so the Metro should
 help with that. She really stressed that Becca is in full
 blown AIDS essentially, has no immune system and is a
 ticking time bomb for something so I need to stay on top of
 this and if Becca isn’t 100% better in 48 hours she wants
 to do a stool sample culture. This is not my usual vet, who
 is still on vacation until next week.  Aside from the
 diarrhea Becca is acting just fine, though she didn’t
 finish all of her dinner last night which I can understand.
  
 Should I be terribly concerned at this point? I almost felt
 like the vet was trying to panic me a bit and brace me for
 this being the end. How likely is that? I’m heading on my
 lunch to get her new meds, but I was going to go to the gym
 after work as usual but if I need to rush home after work
 instead I will. 
  
 Iva
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rebecca - Tummy troubles

2009-08-13 Thread Susan Hoffman
With the really nasty tasting meds, like metronidazole and zithromax, I 
dissolve the pill in a tiny bit of water and then add either sugar or pancake 
syrup.  These meds have a nasty bitter taste and a significant aftertaste.  
Sweetener counters that taste some, enough to make it more palatable, enough so 
that the cat doesn't foam at the mouth so badly.

--- On Thu, 8/13/09, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:

 From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rebecca - Tummy troubles
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 1:26 PM
 I agree - sounds perhaps like this
 vet doesn't know much about FIV and full blown aids
 whatever that is.  Perhaps she's assuming kitty has
 some kind of lymphoma in the intestinal area.  I'd wait
 for the other vet to come back also.
 
 The metro (Flagyl) sounds good.   I'm just
 wondering why kitty is on Prednisone, especially if kitty
 has no immune system.  1/4 Immodium sounds ok - I
 usually use old-fashioned Kao Pectin, although have to get
 the kind for animals at a farmers association store (NOT the
 grocery store, it can't be used on cats).
 
 I usually use Panacur as an initial effort for kitty
 diarrhea, assuming parasite, then if that doesn't work, I go
 to something else.  Sometime I cut the kitty diet back
 to canned or boiled chicken and white rice, to placate the
 digestive tract.
 
 Never tried putting sugar in Clinda, but I'm inspired to
 try it sometime, thanks.
 
 Gloria
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Aug 13, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote:
 
  full blown AIDS  Does Rebecca have FIV
 (sometimes mistakenly referred to as kitty AIDS) or FeLV?
  
  Metronidazole is the metro you're referring
 to.  It's typically prescribed for giardia and other
 intestinal parasites.
  
  Unless this gets significantly worse, I would hold off
 on the stool sample till your regular vet gets back. 
 Half the time you get a negative on the fecal test only
 because the parasite has not reached sufficient mass to be
 detected on the test.  A lot of vets treat
 symptomatically.
  
  Bonus with the metronidazole is that it supposedly
 will settle an upset tummy (I assume this is based on
 feedback from human patients) and may improve appetite.
  
  Are you giving pill or liquid metronidazole?  The
 stuff is one of the worst tasting meds around.  I
 usually liquify and add a little sugar to make it more
 palatable.
  
  
  
  --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Iva Lark Emily Seaberg melleph...@sbcglobal.net
 wrote:
  
  From: Iva Lark Emily Seaberg melleph...@sbcglobal.net
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Rebecca - Tummy troubles
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 9:57 AM
  Rebecca had a significant gum
  infection when she was diagnosed almost two weeks
 ago and
  the vet had placed her on Clindamyacin twice a day
 for ten
  days, and Prednisone twice a day for 7 days and
 then once a
  day for 21 days. I started the Clindamyacin 
 about 7/8 days
  ago and the Prednisone a few days ago. Becca has
 gradually
  developed diarrhea, and this morning it was worse,
 to the
  point she had leaked a bit on the bed where she
 slept. I
  felt so bad for her! So I called the vet to see
 about
  stopping the Clinda or if there were other
 options/causes I
  should be concerned about.
  
  The vet said to give her a quarter of an Immodium
 AD pill
  twice a day, and reduce the Prednisone to once a
 day and to
  switch to an antibiotic Metro something for a
 week. The vet
  said Clinda doesn’t usually give diarrhea? She
 said it
  could be the Prednisone but her bigger concern is
 that it
  may be a gut bacteria making her sick so the Metro
 should
  help with that. She really stressed that Becca is
 in full
  blown AIDS essentially, has no immune system and
 is a
  ticking time bomb for something so I need to stay
 on top of
  this and if Becca isn’t 100% better in 48 hours
 she wants
  to do a stool sample culture. This is not my usual
 vet, who
  is still on vacation until next week.  Aside
 from the
  diarrhea Becca is acting just fine, though she
 didn’t
  finish all of her dinner last night which I can
 understand.
  
  Should I be terribly concerned at this point? I
 almost felt
  like the vet was trying to panic me a bit and
 brace me for
  this being the end. How likely is that? I’m
 heading on my
  lunch to get her new meds, but I was going to go
 to the gym
  after work as usual but if I need to rush home
 after work
  instead I will.
  
  Iva
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Re: [Felvtalk] UPDATE Re: Hello, I'm Snowball, Felv+, and I need your help. Please read my story...Thanks!

2009-08-13 Thread Susan Hoffman
Yep.  Amazing.  I'll close out the fundraiser when I get home from work.

Need to talk to Michael at Second Chance Meow and to Reyna. We may be able to 
do the transport and get Snowball to Reno this Monday.

--- On Thu, 8/13/09, Pat Kachur katn...@charter.net wrote:

 From: Pat Kachur katn...@charter.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] UPDATE Re:  Hello, I'm Snowball, Felv+, and I need 
 your help. Please read my story...Thanks!
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
 Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 2:22 PM
 I see you have made your goal + an
 extra $10.  Congratulations.  Best to Snowball!!!
 
 
 - Original Message - From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:26 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] UPDATE Re: Hello, I'm Snowball,
 Felv+,and I need your help. Please read my story...Thanks!
 
 
 http://www.fundable.com/groupactions/groupaction.2009-08-03.8415646672
 
 UPDATE:  We're going to make this work.  We need
 $80 to meet the revised goal. (If we do not meet the goal,
 all the pledges are forfeited.  And we're past the 5
 day window when the goal can be lowered.)
 
 Second Chance Meow has agreed to take Snowball if we can
 meet the revised goal ($330, 10% of which goes to fundable
 as their fee.)
 
 I'll cover transport costs myself.  Transport has been
 arranged to get Snowball from Los Angeles to Reno.  I
 will also make arrangements to have him dewormed, treated
 for fleas and given his FVRCP vaccine en route. (Second
 Chance Meow will still need to get him neutered.)
 
 Please, please, please cross-post this.  We are so
 very close to target.  We have transport.  And
 this has to work to get Snowball off the streets and into a
 home.
 
 
 --- On Wed, 8/12/09, Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Hello, I'm Snowball, Felv+, and I
 need your help. Please read my story...Thanks!
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 9:04 AM
  
  Hello Everyone,
  
  My name is Snowball and I have been given the
 opportunity
  to be part of a wonderful family and live with other
 cats
  like me. I can't wait to be in my new home and
 receive
  and give lots of love.
  
  If Reyna had not rescued me I would have died. When
 she
  found me I was severely anemic. I could hardly walk
 and
  open my eyes. I was very sick. After an emergency
  transfusion and 3 days at the hospital I'm doing much
 better
  now. My appetite and energy are back. I love to
 play... my
  squeaky mouse is my favorite toy!
  
  She, however, cannot keep me because her family
 suffers
  from asthma. Also, she is a college student and does
 not
  have the money to properly care for me. This is why I
 need
  your help to get to Second Chance Meow (a home based
  sanctuary in Reno, Nevada).
  
  We all know that cats like me are hard to place in
 homes
  and usually end up in sanctuaries or shelters. I'm
 happy to
  be going to a loving and caring home where the people
 there
  know about this disease and can properly care for me.
 The
  fundraiser that was set up for me will end in 6 days.
 We
  still need more donations to make my dream of having
 a
  family of my own possible. Please help me! You will
 not
  regret it because you will have made this blue eyed
  cat very happy. : )
  
  Meow,
  Snowball
  
  Fundraiser:
  http://www.fundable .com/groupaction s/groupaction.
  2009-08-03. 8415646672
  
  
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision

2009-08-13 Thread Susan Hoffman
We just PTS one of our geriatric cats on Monday.  I had a little stash of 
torb-val syrup on hand and gave that to her Sunday and Monday morning.  She had 
been in renal failure for more than a year but somewhere between Friday night 
and Saturday morning it looks like she had a stroke.  It looked like she was 
paralyzed on one side of her body.  On Saturday she was still drinking water 
but not eating, on Sunday she did not want water either.

I was surprised she was still with us Monday morning, actually raising her head 
when I came to check on her.  She was still present in her body but just 
barely.  I'm sure that it was time to help her to the bridge.  I have no idea 
how stressful a natural death might have been for her.

We almost PTS last fall but then some antibiotics and fluids rallied her and 
she had 6 or 8 really good months, frail though she was.  Last fall would have 
been much too soon but I worry that Sunday would have been better than Monday 
to PTS. It was a matter of vet availability and cost.  Hate it when decisions 
have to be made on that basis.

--- On Thu, 8/13/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 5:01 PM
 i don't know about klonopin, but i DO
 know that valium can have a
 paradoxical effect in cats, and make them very agitated,
 which is clearly
 NOT the intended effect. i've worried about that ever since
 i heard a number
 of folks, including vets, mention it.
 
 i would think, tho, that if you've got a good relationship
 with your vet,
 and a cat near time, they might be willing to prescribe
 something to help?
 
 in my experience, and i hope this doesn't sound too scary
 or morbid, when
 they reach the point of having trouble breathing, they
 don't really seem to
 be there any longer. it's as if they have already left,
 their spirits, as
 least, and all that's left is their no-longer-needed body.
 i find that i can
 really tell when they are not present, and have gone
 on--i always tell
 them about the wonderful cloak room at the bridge where
 they get to pick out
 a brand-new body, in whatever color or breed or pattern
 they'd like, that
 they don't need to worry about leaving the old body behind,
 that it served
 them well, but there's a new, healthy one waiting... i see
 the last shudders
 and gasps as just the last wisps of their souls slipping
 out of the dwelling
 that's no longer necessary for that part of their journey,
 not as something
 they are consciously suffering through.
 
 -- 
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 Maybe That'll Make The Difference
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision

2009-08-13 Thread Susan Hoffman
It feels like it sometimes but no.  I run a small rescue.  We average around 
150 adoptions a year and have the cats in various foster homes.  Here's our 
petfinder site:  http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/CA1136.html

I usually take older kittens, teenagers and adults at my house.  Some seniors 
and special needs types too.  The foster homes are usually more into the tiny 
kittens.

I do wind up sanctuarying some of the harder to place cats, or at the very 
least fostering them for a long time till the right home is found.  I've had 
some for 12-18 months before they were adopted.  I also have a weakness for 
Siamese and will take more risks with older feral or undersocialized Siamese.  
May take a year to tame them for adoption but, hey, they're gorgous and 
eventually I do manage to place them.

Our senior girl who just passed away from a grey and white tuxedo who had been 
with us 9 years.  She showed up 9 years ago, starving and hugely pregnant.  We 
took her in and kept her.  She was at least 15 on Monday when she went to the 
bridge, possibly older.  I know we did right by her all the years that she was 
with us and I'm glad she was here so long.  Gave her plenty of time to forget 
her former life that had left her in such bad straits by the time she found us.



--- On Thu, 8/13/09, Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 6:17 PM
 Susan,
  
 Do you work at a sanctuary?
 
 --- On Thu, 8/13/09, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
 
 From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 6:10 PM
 
 
 We just PTS one of our geriatric cats on Monday.  I had a
 little stash of torb-val syrup on hand and gave that to her
 Sunday and Monday morning.  She had been in renal failure
 for more than a year but somewhere between Friday night and
 Saturday morning it looks like she had a stroke.  It looked
 like she was paralyzed on one side of her body.  On
 Saturday she was still drinking water but not eating, on
 Sunday she did not want water either.
 
 I was surprised she was still with us Monday morning,
 actually raising her head when I came to check on her.  She
 was still present in her body but just barely.  I'm sure
 that it was time to help her to the bridge.  I have no idea
 how stressful a natural death might have been for her.
 
 We almost PTS last fall but then some antibiotics and
 fluids rallied her and she had 6 or 8 really good months,
 frail though she was.  Last fall would have been much too
 soon but I worry that Sunday would have been better than
 Monday to PTS. It was a matter of vet availability and
 cost.  Hate it when decisions have to be made on that
 basis.
 
 --- On Thu, 8/13/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Difficult decision
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Thursday, August 13, 2009, 5:01 PM
  i don't know about klonopin, but i DO
  know that valium can have a
  paradoxical effect in cats, and make them very
 agitated,
  which is clearly
  NOT the intended effect. i've worried about that ever
 since
  i heard a number
  of folks, including vets, mention it.
  
  i would think, tho, that if you've got a good
 relationship
  with your vet,
  and a cat near time, they might be willing to
 prescribe
  something to help?
  
  in my experience, and i hope this doesn't sound too
 scary
  or morbid, when
  they reach the point of having trouble breathing,
 they
  don't really seem to
  be there any longer. it's as if they have already
 left,
  their spirits, as
  least, and all that's left is their no-longer-needed
 body.
  i find that i can
  really tell when they are not present, and have
 gone
  on--i always tell
  them about the wonderful cloak room at the bridge
 where
  they get to pick out
  a brand-new body, in whatever color or breed or
 pattern
  they'd like, that
  they don't need to worry about leaving the old body
 behind,
  that it served
  them well, but there's a new, healthy one waiting... i
 see
  the last shudders
  and gasps as just the last wisps of their souls
 slipping
  out of the dwelling
  that's no longer necessary for that part of their
 journey,
  not as something
  they are consciously suffering through.
  
  -- 
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  Maybe That'll Make The Difference
  
  MaryChristine
  Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue
  (www.purebredcats.org)
  Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hello, I'm Snowball, Felv+, and I need your help. Please read my story...Thanks!

2009-08-12 Thread Susan Hoffman
Cats are such clumsy typists.  That's why you never see one in a secretarial 
position.  Thanks for fixing that for Snowball.

--- On Wed, 8/12/09, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:

 From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hello, I'm Snowball, Felv+, and I need your help. 
 Please read my story...Thanks!
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 9:13 AM
 Hi Snowball,
 
 I just wanted to send a corrected version of your fundable
 address, it had extra spaces in it and didn't work - maybe
 that'll make it easier for you to collect some money. I'm
 sorry you can't stay with Reyna.  I see you're in Los
 Angeles, and going to Reno, NV.
 
 http://www.fundable.com/groupactions/groupaction.2009-08-03.8415646672
 
 You look like such a pretty, sweet kitty - good luck!
 
 Gloria
 in Arkansas
 
 
 
 
 On Aug 12, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Reyna Castano wrote:
 
  
  Hello Everyone,
  
  My name is Snowball and I have been given the
 opportunity to be part of a wonderful family and live with
 other cats like me. I can't wait to be in my new home and
 receive and give lots of love.
  
  If Reyna had not rescued me I would have died. When
 she found me I was severely anemic. I could hardly walk and
 open my eyes. I was very sick. After an emergency
 transfusion and 3 days at the hospital I'm doing much better
 now. My appetite and energy are back. I love to play... my
 squeaky mouse is my favorite toy!
  
  She, however, cannot keep me because her family
 suffers from asthma. Also, she is a college student and does
 not have the money to properly care for me. This is why I
 need your help to get to Second Chance Meow (a home based
 sanctuary in Reno, Nevada).
  
  We all know that cats like me are hard to place in
 homes and usually end up in sanctuaries or shelters. I'm
 happy to be going to a loving and caring home where the
 people there know about this disease and can properly care
 for me. The fundraiser that was set up for me will end in 6
 days. We still need more donations to make my dream of
 having a family of my own possible. Please help me! You will
 not regret it because you will have made this blue eyed cat
 very happy. : )
  
  Meow,
  Snowball
  
  Fundraiser:
  http://www.fundable .com/groupaction s/groupaction.
 2009-08-03. 8415646672
  
  
  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: need cancer-list info

2009-08-12 Thread Susan Hoffman
Where is the cat located?

--- On Wed, 8/12/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: need cancer-list info
 To: FeLVTalk FeLVTalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 10:22 AM
 although our SCAT group (Special-Cat
 Action Team) doesn't often work with
 cancer patients or survivors, occasionally we do--just
 learned of a kitty
 who had spleen removed, who needs a safe place to
 recover)--and we don't
 have any real contacts on which cancer-related
 lists/sites/groups are the
 best. ideas/suggestions, anyone?
 
 thanks.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2009-08-01 Thread Susan Hoffman

They also receive a lot of funding and donations and have a dedicated board of 
directors.  

--- On Sat, 8/1/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 11:49 AM
 they owe much of their ability to
 have a different attitude toward
 dumping to the fact that they have an enormous amount of
 land, they're
 out in the middle of nowhere so that they don't have folks
 just
 driving by every day, that they started out with a
 much-larger-than-usual core group of dedicated, committed
 people, and
 they have a very large group of volunteers.
 
 many smaller places have few if any of those attributes.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2009-07-31 Thread Susan Hoffman

In Reyna's situation, if she was able to bring the cat herself, Michael would 
gladly give her the address.  But she isn't able to bring the cat from LA to 
Reno.  So I'm working on transport.

In a sanctuary situation (as opposed to a citizen non-rescuer adopter), you 
have to be careful about giving out your address.  Too many sanctuaries have 
cats dumped at their door once the address is too public.  So the physical 
address is on a need to know basis.

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 From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 10:30 PM
    Anyone who wouldn't
 let you come over and see that cat is a big red flag for
 me.  You can't do that without an address.
 
 -- 
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 http://bemikitties.com
 
 http://BelindaSauro.com
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2009-07-30 Thread Susan Hoffman

Hey everyone.  The person who offered to take the cat is on thos list.  It's 
Michael at Second Chance Meow in Reno.  I think a few people on this list know 
him.  



--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Cindy Jackson qne...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Cindy Jackson qne...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 7:54 PM
 Having that said Reyna you need to
 know where the cat will be going. You can't just give the
 cat to anyone. A lot of people do not care about animals and
 do horrible things to them.
 I'm assuming someone will be taking the cat personally. Do
 you know who?
 
 --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
 
 From: Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 7:24 PM
 
 
 I made a mistake. I live in Los Angeles not San Diego.
 
 --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net
 wrote:
 
 
 From: Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 6:40 PM
 
 
 Check with his vet
 Anyone adopting an FeLV+ cat had best be on a first name
 basis with a vet
 Will the adopter allow you or someone you know to see how
 the
 cats will be living ???
 And are they willing to answer all your questions ???
 
 Yes... I have adopted maybe 20 FeLV+ cats from this list in
 the
 past 6 years but none in the last couple years I think
 I am getting old and slowing down after my heart attack a
 year
 ago.
 Tad
 
 
 Cindy Jackson wrote:
 
 How can you make sure that someone who wants to adopt
 your cat is legitimate?
 Has anyone ever offered to adopt your cat here on
 felvtalk or have you found someone here that you called to
 ask if they could adopt your cat? If so, how did you make
 sure they are reputable?
  
  
  
 
 
  
 
 
       
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2009-07-30 Thread Susan Hoffman

Tad, you can talk to me.  I've been to Michael's house, met his wife, kids and 
the other cats that they have.  

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net wrote:

 From: Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 7:51 PM
 Myself.. I would want to talk with
 some one who knew this place maybe
 from this list or another
 Adoption is always a risk and there is always a question if
 the alternative
 is better or worse...
 I adopted 6 cats from the Angel Wings things and I guess at
 one time that
 was a good sanctuary but when they finally shut it down
 those poor animals
 were in as terrible condition as they could be... Who knows
 what happened...
 Tad
 
 
 Reyna Castano wrote:
 
 What if I can't personally take the cat?
 The adopter does not live in CA. I live in San Diego,
 CA.
 
 He does answer all of my questions. The only thing he
 refuse to give me was his address. Should I be concern? He
 says that he wouldn't like his address to slip out and then
 have a line of people outside his place asking him to adopt
 their cats.
 --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net
 wrote:
 
 
 From: Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 6:40 PM
 
 
 Check with his vet
 Anyone adopting an FeLV+ cat had best be on a first
 name
 basis with a vet
 Will the adopter allow you or someone you know to see
 how the
 cats will be living ???
 And are they willing to answer all your questions ???
 
 Yes... I have adopted maybe 20 FeLV+ cats from this
 list in the
 past 6 years but none in the last couple years I
 think
 I am getting old and slowing down after my heart attack
 a year
 ago.
 Tad
 
 
 Cindy Jackson wrote:
 
   
 
 How can you make sure that someone who wants to
 adopt your cat is legitimate?
 Has anyone ever offered to adopt your cat here on
 felvtalk or have you found someone here that you called to
 ask if they could adopt your cat? If so, how did you make
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

2009-07-30 Thread Susan Hoffman

Please both Reyna and Michael, don't take other people's concerns personally.  
It is good to check things out and be a little skeptical before handing over a 
cat to someone you don't know.

Awhile back I took an FIV+ cat from Glendale, California.  The people sending 
teh cat wanted references, which I gave them.  They did check the references.  
They were very paranoid (actually suggested that I might sell the cat to a 
lab!) but I just gritted my teeth and reminded myself to look at it from their 
perspective.  They even photographed the transport person and checked his 
driver's license before he left with the cat.

It's OK.  Better to be too careful than not careful enough.

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, secondchancem...@aol.com secondchancem...@aol.com wrote:

 From: secondchancem...@aol.com secondchancem...@aol.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 9:17 PM
 I have offered to take this cat for
 life no matter how long or short  it 
 might be, and give it a loving home with other cats to play
 with, a family  
 that cares about them and my own time, effort and funds to
 take care of them. 
 Reyna, I will be happy to give you references from rescue
 groups that have  
 dealt with me and know me as well as the mgr at the local
 SPCA that i work  
 with.  i think my name will stand any scrutiny that
 you would like to  give.
  
  
  
 In a message dated 7/30/2009 8:21:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight
 Time,  
 rcpin...@yahoo.com
 writes:
 
 Susan,
 
 Hi! It's me Reyna. 
 How are  you?
 
 Lately, people that know about my situation have been 
 treating me like if 
 I don't know what I'm doing. I might not have been 
 prepared for this type 
 of situation but I'm definitely doing the best I can 
 for my cat.
 
 : )
 
 --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Susan Hoffman  susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
 
 From: Susan Hoffman  susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 8:09  PM
 
 
 
 Hey everyone.  The person who offered to take the
 cat  is on thos list.  
 It's Michael at Second Chance Meow in Reno.  I 
 think a few people on this 
 list know him.  
 
 
 
 --- On Thu,  7/30/09, Cindy Jackson qne...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Cindy  Jackson qne...@yahoo.com
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no  subject)
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Thursday, July  30, 2009, 7:54 PM
  Having that said Reyna you need to
  know  where the cat will be going. You can't just
 give the
  cat to anyone. A  lot of people do not care about
 animals and
  do horrible things to  them.
  I'm assuming someone will be taking the cat
 personally.  Do
  you know who?
  
  --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Reyna Castano  rcpin...@yahoo.com
  wrote:
  
  
  From:  Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no  subject)
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Thursday, July  30, 2009, 7:24 PM
  
  
  I made a mistake. I live in Los  Angeles not San
 Diego.
  
  --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Tad Burnett  tadburn...@vermontel.net
  wrote:
  
  
   From: Tad Burnett tadburn...@vermontel.net
  Subject: Re:  [Felvtalk] (no subject)
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date:  Thursday, July 30, 2009, 6:40 PM
  
  
  Check with his  vet
  Anyone adopting an FeLV+ cat had best be on a
 first  name
  basis with a vet
  Will the adopter allow you or  someone you know
 to see how
  the
  cats will be living  ???
  And are they willing to answer all your questions ???
   
  Yes... I have adopted maybe 20 FeLV+ cats from this
 list in
   the
  past 6 years but none in the last couple years I
 think
   I am getting old and slowing down after my heart
 attack a
  year
   ago.
  Tad
  
  
  Cindy Jackson wrote:
   
  How can you make sure that someone who wants to
 adopt
   your cat is legitimate?
  Has anyone ever offered to adopt your cat 
 here on
  felvtalk or have you found someone here that you
 called  to
  ask if they could adopt your cat? If so, how did you
 make
   sure they are reputable?
   
   
   
   
  
   
  
  
     
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Milo foundation Sanctuary

2009-07-23 Thread Susan Hoffman

Milo Foundation is wonderful, very active with adoptions, very good reputation. 
 I know nothing about their sanctuary though.

--- On Thu, 7/23/09, Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Milo foundation Sanctuary
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 5:38 PM
 Hi,
  
 Does anyone personally know about Milo sanctuary in CA?
 Someone I know is looking for people who have visited the
 place and can talk to them about it. E-mail me so I can give
 you her contact info.
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Looking for people with personal experience with 'Not So' Purrrfect Angels Sanctuary in Fresno, CA.

2009-07-15 Thread Susan Hoffman

No, not at all.  I thought I recalled something negative but I checked old 
emails and it was about a different place.  So I know nothing about Not So 
Purrfect Angels.

--- On Wed, 7/15/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Looking for people with personal experience with 'Not 
 So' Purrrfect Angels Sanctuary in Fresno, CA.
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 4:35 PM
 susan, wasn't it you who knew of
 them?
 
 
 
 On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Reyna Castano rcpin...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  Looking for people with personal experience with 'Not
 So' Purrrfect Angels
  in Fresno.
 
  My FeLV cat was accepted in this sanctuary and I want
 to know if Purrrfect
  Angels is a good place for my cat?
  Please contact me if you know the place.
 
  -Reyna Castano
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Qs re CA/Urgent: FeLV+ senior boy needs money to get to sanctu...

2009-05-31 Thread Susan Hoffman

Let me add my thanks to everyone.

We got Boscoe to Char and Michael yesterday afternoon.  He was GREAT on the 
long car ride.  Even though we set up the back seat for him, he rode most of 
the way on my lap or on the driver's lap, or on the armrest between us.  He was 
looking out the window not scared at all.  He did go in the back once to use 
the litterbox we set up for him.  And he had some of my chicken salad sandwich.

He was instantly comfortable at Char and Michael's place.  He was NOT crazy 
about the dog but he'll adjust.  He was OK with the other cats, doing a little 
nose-sniffing.  He liked the cat trees and rubbed his cheek against one of 
them.  And he gave me a few forehead to forehead head butts before I left.

Talked to Char this morning and she tells me Boscoe is curled up on a pillow in 
the bed room.  And he's been following her around and talking to her.  It seems 
he knows he is home and has a family of his own now.

I really hope this boy has some good longevity ahead of him.  He's finally in a 
good safe loving place and I hope he gets to enjoy it for a lonjg time.

Thanks you everyone for helping to get him there.  And thank you Michael and 
Char for taking him in and loving him.



--- On Sat, 5/30/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Qs re CA/Urgent: FeLV+ senior boy needs money to get 
 to sanctu...
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Saturday, May 30, 2009, 7:31 PM
 thank YOU, guys! send photos!
 
 On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:29 PM, secondchancem...@aol.com
 wrote:
 
  well Boscoe  arrived here this afternoon, and i
 was drawn to him
  immediately.  this poor kitty really needed a
 home to go to.  I want  to
  thank
  everyone that donated to his travel and care fund.
 Both my wife and i  are
  very
  happy to have him here, we look forward to further
 updates on his  progress
  in
  the future
 
 
  Michael and Char
  Second Chance Meows
 
 
  In a message dated 5/27/2009 4:15:41 P.M. Pacific
 Daylight Time,
  lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 writes:
 
  Hi Michael,  bless you for taking Boscoe. Please
 keep us posted about him?
  I would love  to see a photo once he has his
 fur  back!!
  Laurie
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Senior Boy Needs To Get To Sanctuary

2009-05-29 Thread Susan Hoffman

Thank you all.  We're almost there.  I just reposted Boscoe's story to our 
local craigslist too.

--- On Fri, 5/29/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:

 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Senior Boy Needs To Get To Sanctuary
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Cc: feral_c...@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 8:23 AM
 It just hit $400! This is 72% of the
 goal. Thanks to all who are donating
 and spreading the word!
 Every amount helps!
 Laurie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Lorrie
 Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 10:14 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Cc: feral_c...@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Senior Boy Needs To Get To
 Sanctuary
 
 There are only three days left to raise the money needed to
 get
 Boscoe to his sanctuary.  I just made a donation and
 they are now up
 to $380. and the goal is $550 PLEASE send what you
 can, every
 little bit helps, and if they don't reach the $550 goal the
 money is
 returned and Boscoe has no place to go.  
 
 Read his story below, and thank you Michael for your offer
 to give
 Boscoe a loving home for the rest of his life.
 
 Lorrie
 
  On 05-26, secondchancem...@aol.com
 wrote: Good afternoon, my name is
  Michael and my wife and I run Second Chance Meows The
 home where
  Boscoe is going. I would like to thank all of those
 that are
  donating to help Boscoe.  We have been running a
 home for FeLV+
  cats for about 8 yrs now and have had some great
 success with
  longevity in them.  Our eldest is now 16 yo.
   
  My wife and I are grateful to be able to offer Boscoe
 a home with lots of
 
  kids to play with and be loved by.
   
  Please, PLEASE   help Boscoe come home
   
  Michael
  Co-Founder
  Second Chance Meows
   
  -Original  Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Susan  Hoffman
  Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:01 PM
  To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: Urgent: FeLV+ senior boy needs money to
 get to sanctuary
  
  
  Fundable takes a 10% cut  for using their
 service, so that's why the 
  ultimate goal is $550.
  
  I think Boscoe may have a couple of very good years
 ahead of  him,
  despite the FeLV.  He is a tough old guy to have
 survived life on
  the streets with an infected mouth, broken rib, matted
 and dirty. 
  And now that he's gotten the mouth taken care of, he's
 been eating
  4 cans of food a day.  He's getting so strong,
 it's like trying to
  shove a rhino back in its cage when he tries to get
 out.  I think
  he has some very good quality of life ahead of him,
  
  And how could I not help him.  A cat shows 
 up at your door in that 
  condition, you do what you can.
  
  
   Boscoe's fundraising page is set up at  
  http://www.fundable.com/groupactions/groupaction.2009-05-26.2918289545
 
 BOSCOE'S STORY
 
   Boscoe is a really hard luck boy. He used to be
 someone's pet
   but somehow wound up trying to survive on the
 streets. He showed
   up at my house wearing a tight dirty flea collar,
 emaciated and
   filthy. We took him in, put him in a quarantine
 cage till we
   could get him to a vet.
   
   Boscoe had his vet appointment May 17th and the
 poor  old boy had
   a lot going on:
   
   1. His mouth was a mass  of bad teeth and
 infection. How he
   managed to eat enough to survive is anyone's
 guess. Also, he
   has a condition called ankylosis - the teeth fuse
 to the bone
   of the jaw. This made dental work more difficult
 but they did a
   really good job with the boy.
    
   2. He was filthy. He could not groom himself with
 his diseased
    mouth and when he tried he just got foul
 smelling spit all over
    himself. And he had burrs and debris stuck
 in what should have
    been a longhaired gray and white coat. His
   tail was like one solid  dreadlock. So
 Boscoe was shaved from
   neck to tail. BIG  improvement.
   
   3. He was neutered, got his FVRCP and
 rabies  vaccines,
   nails trimmed, ears cleaned.
   
   4. And Boscoe  tested FeLV+ 
   
   The FeLV+ part really sucked. It meant I
 could  not offer Boscoe
   lifetime sanctuary. We have 9 cats of our own,
 including two who
   are FIV+, senior and special needs
    fosters, as well as a steady stream of more
 readily
   adoptable foster  cats. So Boscoe is stuck
 in a cage at my
   house. There???s just no  alternative.
   
   But Boscoe has gotten very very lucky. He
 has  been accepted
   into a small home-based sanctuary ??? a home with
 a  family
   where they take only FeLV+ cats. He can spend
 what time  he
   has left in this world napping on a bed in a
 sunbeam,  having
   his long coat brushed daily (once it grows back),
 never
    missing a meal. This is a HOME for this
 boy!
   
   The family that  runs this sanctuary quite
 reasonably
   requests a donation when they  accept

Re: [Felvtalk] Thoughts Prayers Needed for Darcy

2009-05-29 Thread Susan Hoffman

Ask for torb-val syrup.  We often use that for a few days following difficult 
spays.

--- On Fri, 5/29/09, Jody Butler jbutler5...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 From: Jody Butler jbutler5...@bellsouth.net
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Thoughts  Prayers Needed for Darcy
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 8:36 PM
 Our sweet baby, Darcy, ten months old
 and FeLV+ was neutered on Tuesday.  We brought her home
 Wednesday and she seemed okay, considering she'd just had
 surgery.
  
 Yesterday she was in more pain, but we just figured the
 pain shot they'd given that was supposed to be good for two
 days was wearing off.
  
 Today is even worse.  I called the vet this AM.  She
 suggested giving a baby aspirin, which I did before going to
 work.
  
 Tonight, she barely lifts her head and is mewing so
 pitifully.  She ate some earlier in the day but won't eat
 tonight.  I called the vet again, and she had me give 1/8
 of an antibiotic and we'll bring her in tomorrow morning
 first thing.  We've had other FeLV kitties neutered with no
 troubles, but I'm getting scared tonight.
  
 I just needed to share this tonight.  Any encouraging
 words or suggestions are greatly appreciated!
  
 Jody ( Darcy)
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Qs re CA/Urgent: FeLV+ senior boy needs money to get to sanctu...

2009-05-27 Thread Susan Hoffman

I knew Michael was on this list but didn't want to out him.  Thanks for doing 
it for me Michael.

We are halfway to the goal amount with the fundable drive.  Thank you to all 
who have donated.  Please pass this info along to others.  Boscoe's fundable 
page is at 
http://www.fundable.com/groupactions/groupaction.2009-05-26.2918289545



--- On Tue, 5/26/09, secondchancem...@aol.com secondchancem...@aol.com wrote:

 From: secondchancem...@aol.com secondchancem...@aol.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Qs re CA/Urgent: FeLV+ senior boy needs money to get 
 to sanctu...
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 3:53 PM
 Good afternoon, my name is Michael
 and my wife and I run Second Chance  
 Meows The home where Boscoe is going. I would like to thank
 all of those that  
 are donating to help Boscoe.  We have been running a
 home for FeLV+ cats  
 for about 8 yrs now and have had some great success with
 longevity in them. 
 Our  eldest is now 16 yo.
  
 My wife and I are grateful to be able to offer Boscoe a
 home with lots of  
 kids to play with and be loved by.
  
 Please, PLEASE   help Boscoe come home
  
 Michael
 Co-Founder
 Second Chance Meows
  
  
 In a message dated 5/26/2009 2:17:42 P.M. Pacific Daylight
 Time,  
 lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 writes:
 
 Thanks for  your response. Makes sense now:).
 I am thinking if you could get 11 people  to donate
 $50 each, the goal 
 would be met!
 Thanks for helping him. He has  an amazing story! I'll
 donate something...
 Laurie 
 
 -Original  Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Susan  Hoffman
 Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:01 PM
 To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Qs re CA/Urgent: FeLV+  senior
 boy needs money to 
 get to sanctuary
 
 
 Fundable takes a 10% cut  for using their service, so
 that's why the 
 ultimate goal is $550.
 
 The  reason they want to do a blood panel is because
 the cat is at least  
 middle-aged, if not elderly;  he is emaciated; and has
 been eating like  
 crazy.  All things together really call for a baseline
 senior blood  panel.  
 Could be kidney or blood sugar problems.  Or it could
 just  be a case of a 
 severerly debilitated cat making up for lost time now that
 his  mouth doesn't 
 hurt and there's plenty of food.  But he is an old
 geezer  and should have a 
 senior blood panel to see where things are at this 
 point.
 
 I think Boscoe may have a couple of very good years ahead
 of  him, despite 
 the FeLV.  He is a tough old guy to have survived life
 on  the streets with 
 an infected mouth, broken rib, matted and dirty. 
 And  now that he's gotten 
 the mouth taken care of, he's been eating 4 cans of
 food  a day.  He's 
 getting so strong, it's like trying to shove a rhino back
 in  its cage when he 
 tries to get out.  I think he has some very good
 quality  of life ahead of him,
 
 And how could I not help him.  A cat shows  up at
 your door in that 
 condition, you do what you can.
 
 --- On Tue,  5/26/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 wrote:
 
  From:  Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Qs  re CA/Urgent: FeLV+
 senior boy needs money to 
 get to sanctuary
  To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 1:39  PM
  Curious...why do they want to do a
  blood panel?
   Also, why does the fundraising page list the
 goal at $550?
  I rescued a  guy a number of years ago who was
 four paw
  declawed, elderly and his  mouth was a mess.
 Someone had shut
  him in the wall of a building and a  worker heard
 his cries
  and let him out. He, too, tested positive for 
 FeLV. He lived
  several more years in a sanctuary with friends
 of  mine.
  Boscoe sounds a lot like him.
  Thanks for helping  him.
  Laurie
    
  
  -Original  Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
   [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
  On Behalf Of Susan  Hoffman
  Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:11 PM
  To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: [Felvtalk] CA/Urgent: FeLV+  senior boy
 needs money
  to get to sanctuary
  
  
   Permission to cross-post granted. 
 Cross-posting
   encouraged.  I have just a few days to
 raise the money
  for  Boscoe.
  
  Boscoe's fundraising page is set up at  
 http://www.fundable.com/groupactions/groupaction.2009-05-26.2918289545
   
  Boscoe’s a really hard luck boy. He used to be
  someone’s pet  but somehow wound up trying to
 survive on
  the streets. He showed up at  my house wearing a
 tight dirty
  flea collar, emaciated and filthy. We  took him
 in, put him
  in a quarantine cage till we could get him to a 
 vet.
  
  Boscoe had his vet appointment May 17th and the
 poor  old
  boy had a lot going on:
  
  1. His mouth was a mass  of bad teeth and
 infection. How he
  managed to eat enough to survive is  anyone’s
 guess. Also,
  he has a condition called ankylosis – the
 teeth  fuse to
  the bone

[Felvtalk] CA/Urgent: FeLV+ senior boy needs money to get to sanctuary

2009-05-26 Thread Susan Hoffman

Permission to cross-post granted.  Cross-posting encouraged.  I have just a few 
days to raise the money for Boscoe.

Boscoe's fundraising page is set up at 
http://www.fundable.com/groupactions/groupaction.2009-05-26.2918289545

Boscoe’s a really hard luck boy. He used to be someone’s pet but somehow wound 
up trying to survive on the streets. He showed up at my house wearing a tight 
dirty flea collar, emaciated and filthy. We took him in, put him in a 
quarantine cage till we could get him to a vet.

Boscoe had his vet appointment May 17th and the poor old boy had a lot going on:

1. His mouth was a mass of bad teeth and infection. How he managed to eat 
enough to survive is anyone’s guess. Also, he has a condition called ankylosis 
– the teeth fuse to the bone of the jaw. This made dental work more difficult 
but they did a really good job with the boy.

2. He was filthy. He could not groom himself with his diseased mouth and when 
he tried he just got foul smelling spit all over himself. And he had burrs and 
debris stuck in what should have been a longhaired gray and white coat. His 
tail was like one solid dreadlock. So Boscoe was shaved from neck to tail. BIG 
improvement.

3. He was neutered, got his FVRCP and rabies vaccines, nails trimmed, ears 
cleaned.

4. And Boscoe tested FeLV+ 

The FeLV+ part really sucked. It meant I could not offer Boscoe lifetime 
sanctuary. We have 9 cats of our own, including two who are FIV+, senior and 
special needs fosters, as well as a steady stream of more readily adoptable 
foster cats. So Boscoe is stuck in a cage at my house. There’s just no 
alternative.

But Boscoe has gotten very very lucky. He has been accepted into a small 
home-based sanctuary – a home with a family where they take only FeLV+ cats. He 
can spend what time he has left in this world napping on a bed in a sunbeam, 
having his long coat brushed daily (once it grows back), never missing a meal. 
This is a HOME for this boy!

The family that runs this sanctuary quite reasonably requests a donation when 
they accept a new cat. In Boscoe’s case, because of his age (estimated between 
6 and 8 years though a vet tech swears he is 14 because of his nails), the 
requested donation is $500. They want to get Boscoe a senior blood panel 
immediately and that isn’t cheap. The donation is reasonable and the 
opportunity for Boscoe to have a wonderful life in a family environment is just 
so amazing. I have to raise the money to get him there.

I can’t afford $500 out of my own pocket. I can kick in something. But I really 
need help with this. Please, please, please help me get the money that Boscoe 
needs to go to this sanctuary. Any donation will help.

Thanking you in advance on behalf of Boscoe and myself.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Qs re CA/Urgent: FeLV+ senior boy needs money to get to sanctuary

2009-05-26 Thread Susan Hoffman

Fundable takes a 10% cut for using their service, so that's why the ultimate 
goal is $550.

The reason they want to do a blood panel is because the cat is at least 
middle-aged, if not elderly;  he is emaciated; and has been eating like crazy.  
All things together really call for a baseline senior blood panel.  Could be 
kidney or blood sugar problems.  Or it could just be a case of a severerly 
debilitated cat making up for lost time now that his mouth doesn't hurt and 
there's plenty of food.  But he is an old geezer and should have a senior blood 
panel to see where things are at this point.

I think Boscoe may have a couple of very good years ahead of him, despite the 
FeLV.  He is a tough old guy to have survived life on the streets with an 
infected mouth, broken rib, matted and dirty.  And now that he's gotten the 
mouth taken care of, he's been eating 4 cans of food a day.  He's getting so 
strong, it's like trying to shove a rhino back in its cage when he tries to get 
out.  I think he has some very good quality of life ahead of him,

And how could I not help him.  A cat shows up at your door in that condition, 
you do what you can.

--- On Tue, 5/26/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:

 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Qs re CA/Urgent: FeLV+ senior boy needs money to get 
 to sanctuary
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 1:39 PM
 Curious...why do they want to do a
 blood panel?
 Also, why does the fundraising page list the goal at $550?
 I rescued a guy a number of years ago who was four paw
 declawed, elderly and his mouth was a mess. Someone had shut
 him in the wall of a building and a worker heard his cries
 and let him out. He, too, tested positive for FeLV. He lived
 several more years in a sanctuary with friends of mine.
 Boscoe sounds a lot like him.
 Thanks for helping him.
 Laurie
   
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
 Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 12:11 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] CA/Urgent: FeLV+ senior boy needs money
 to get to sanctuary
 
 
 Permission to cross-post granted.  Cross-posting
 encouraged.  I have just a few days to raise the money
 for Boscoe.
 
 Boscoe's fundraising page is set up at 
 http://www.fundable.com/groupactions/groupaction.2009-05-26.2918289545
 
 Boscoe’s a really hard luck boy. He used to be
 someone’s pet but somehow wound up trying to survive on
 the streets. He showed up at my house wearing a tight dirty
 flea collar, emaciated and filthy. We took him in, put him
 in a quarantine cage till we could get him to a vet.
 
 Boscoe had his vet appointment May 17th and the poor old
 boy had a lot going on:
 
 1. His mouth was a mass of bad teeth and infection. How he
 managed to eat enough to survive is anyone’s guess. Also,
 he has a condition called ankylosis – the teeth fuse to
 the bone of the jaw. This made dental work more difficult
 but they did a really good job with the boy.
 
 2. He was filthy. He could not groom himself with his
 diseased mouth and when he tried he just got foul smelling
 spit all over himself. And he had burrs and debris stuck in
 what should have been a longhaired gray and white coat. His
 tail was like one solid dreadlock. So Boscoe was shaved from
 neck to tail. BIG improvement.
 
 3. He was neutered, got his FVRCP and rabies vaccines,
 nails trimmed, ears cleaned.
 
 4. And Boscoe tested FeLV+ 
 
 The FeLV+ part really sucked. It meant I could not offer
 Boscoe lifetime sanctuary. We have 9 cats of our own,
 including two who are FIV+, senior and special needs
 fosters, as well as a steady stream of more readily
 adoptable foster cats. So Boscoe is stuck in a cage at my
 house. There’s just no alternative.
 
 But Boscoe has gotten very very lucky. He has been accepted
 into a small home-based sanctuary – a home with a family
 where they take only FeLV+ cats. He can spend what time he
 has left in this world napping on a bed in a sunbeam, having
 his long coat brushed daily (once it grows back), never
 missing a meal. This is a HOME for this boy!
 
 The family that runs this sanctuary quite reasonably
 requests a donation when they accept a new cat. In
 Boscoe’s case, because of his age (estimated between 6 and
 8 years though a vet tech swears he is 14 because of his
 nails), the requested donation is $500. They want to get
 Boscoe a senior blood panel immediately and that isn’t
 cheap. The donation is reasonable and the opportunity for
 Boscoe to have a wonderful life in a family environment is
 just so amazing. I have to raise the money to get him
 there.
 
 I can’t afford $500 out of my own pocket. I can kick in
 something. But I really need help with this. Please, please,
 please help me get the money that Boscoe needs to go to this
 sanctuary. Any donation will help.
 
 Thanking you in advance on behalf

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