Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

2011-03-22 Thread create_me_new
I have ferals  the birds seem smart enough to stay out of my yard.
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From: LauraM
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:56:46 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

Yes, the number one cause of bird extinction is habitat loss, but cats are #2.
There's a well-known study that was conducted on a couple of adjacent beaches 
in California, one with a feral cat population and one without. The beach that 
is home to feral cats has no birds - remember that most shorebirds are ground 
nesters - while the cat-free beach supports a healthy bird population. 
Of course, our birds have natural predators - some raptors such as red-tailed 
hawks prey mostly on birds. Kingsnakes and rat snakes are known for feasting on 
eggs and hatchlings. But this is natural predation  so things are kept in 
balance. Throw in a highly efficient predator such as a cat and the balance 

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From: SomeWhere Sam
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors
Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 4:36 PM

Sorry but that information is outdated or biased.  

The number one killer of birds is humans due to habitat loss or construction 

Humans: The Number One Threat to Birds

SomeWhere Sam

From: Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Tue, March 22, 2011 2:37:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Keep Cats Indoors

In the newspaper today:

House cats are the #1 predator of wild birds.  The American Bird Conservancy 
estimates up to 500 million birds per year are killed by cats.  About 400,000 
are killed yearly by wind turbines (less than 20% of the number killed by 
cats).  So now we have another reason to keep our cats indoors -- not only for 
their own health and safety, but for that of our BIRD population!
Save the cats and the birds: Keep Your Cat Indoors!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Yet another question.....

2011-03-22 Thread create_me_new
My Bubba was about 5 when he died. He didn't have any problems until the last 
year of his life. Then we battled periodic high fevers  stomatitis.
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From: Natalie
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:56:46 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Yet another question.

And I also wonder about adult cats that are FeLV+, and perfectly healthy.
I've never had adults with no symptoms, only a kitten that died years ago.
Eliot Spitty is about 5 yrs old, and Mr. Tux about 6 yrs old.  I wonder how
that will work out in the coming years - they get supplements, good food,
etc.  Has anyone had that experience, and how long did it take, if at all,
before the cats started getting symptoms or related cancers?

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[] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Yet another question.

One thought process that I've run into is that a healthy adult cat  
(FELV negative) has a hearty enough immune system to successfully deal  
with the FELV virus without acquiring it.

I can't see that vaccinating them at this point would be of value.

Just my 2c


 From: Maureen Olvey
 Date: March 21, 2011 12:07:44 PM CDT
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Yet another question.

 I've mentioned my kitty Two Face earlier because she died two weeks  
 ago and when they did the necropsy they found out she had a huge  
 tumor and was FeLV +.  Since then I've had a few of my other kitties  
 tested with the combo/snap test at the vet's office.  All have come  
 out negative so far, thank the Lord for that.  These other kitties  
 that have tested negative lived with Two Face for over a year.   
 Sharing litterboxes, food bowls and all that stuff.  I would think  
 that would mean that they had enough exposure to the virus to get it  
 in their system and that they either extinguished the virus or put  
 it into a dormant status.  Is that a reasonable assumption?  My main  
 question now is should I give them a FeLV vaccination.  If they did  
 get the virus in their system and extinguished it then they're  
 immune for life, right?  If so, there's no need for a vaccination.   
 Is it possible with all that exposure that they didn't get enough of  
 the virus into their system to do any harm?  If that's the case then  
 I should vaccinate them?  I just don't know how they could not have  
 gotten enough exposure since they lived together and shared  
 everything for over a year.


 I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results  
 that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it  
 inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward  
 it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without  
 looking further. - Mark Twain
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Re: [Felvtalk] facebook or twitter?

2011-03-17 Thread create_me_new
I block most of mine too. Just not enough hours in the day to read it all. 

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Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:47:45 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] facebook or twitter?

I block most of mine. ;-) That way, I only get the ones I  WANT to see.

From: Beth []
Sent: Thu 3/17/2011 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] facebook or twitter?

Personally I am already drowning in Facebook posts.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.

2011-03-14 Thread create_me_new
My FIV cat lived on and off for 10 years with FeLV cats  never got it. Of 
coarse he was vaccinated.
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From: Maureen Olvey
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:18:40 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.

Matter of fact, I have an FIV + cat living with me that hasn't contracted the 
FeLV.  I'm not quite sure how that has happened because he should have gotten 
it right away.  I'm going to have him tested a couple more times over the next 
few months to be sure.  Maybe FeLV isn't as contagious as they say.  I'm still 
shaking my head on that one.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:26:53 -0700
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.
 I realize now that I did not address the concern you posted about.  I felt 
 the need to educate you about the testing protocol for FELV because I would 
 hate to see you cage a cat for 3 months that may not even be infected with 
 the virus.  You cannot consider a cat persistently viremic until they test 
 positive on the IFA test.  
 If it turns out the cat you rescued is really FELV positive, she is not going 
 to transmit the virus to your other cats through some chance encounter.  It 
 would take prolonged contact with your other cats to infect them with the 
 virus.  Even if they had prolonged contact, it does not mean your other cats 
 would get the virus.  Some cats are able to build an immune response and 
 fight off the virus.  I rescued a cat over the summer that tested positive on 
 the combo snap test and the ELISA test but tested negative on the IFA.  
 Thirty days later, he tested negative on the snap test, the ELISA test and 
 continued to test negative on the IFA test.  As a precaution, we tested again 
 30 days later, and he continued to test negative on all three tests.  His 
 body built an immune defense and fought off the virus
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 From: Jannes Taylor
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Any advice appreciated.
 Date: Monday, March 14, 2011, 1:50 PM
 I rescued a stray two weeks ago. Took her to the vet a week ago and they said 
 she was FELV positive. She was starving when I found her, but she has gained 
 weight and is looking good. Her eyes just glisten and she seems healthy. The 
 said she was about a year old. She only weighed six pounds last week. I did 
 have the heart to euthanize her when she is not suffering.  However, I have 
 three healthy cats upstairs and I live in constant fear that they will escape 
 the basement where this cat we now call Amber is staying. I keep her in a 
 cage during most of the time and let her out to get her exercise in the 
 about four hours per day. My husband is building her a 8' long x 4' wide x 6' 
 tall cage so she will have more room I do hate keeping her caged up, but 
 have a choice. She is very sweet and it is just a sad situation. I tried to 
 a home for her but no one seems to want a cat with her issues. We are trying 
 be very cautious regarding the other cats, but it is does make me fearful.
 I plan to have her rested in three months. I am so new to this situation, so 
 comments or ideas are much appreciated.
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Re: [Felvtalk] How long can FeLV stay dormant?

2011-03-14 Thread create_me_new
It should show up in 3 month but I don't feel safe until it's been 6 months.
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From: Maureen Olvey
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:27:11 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] How long can FeLV stay dormant?

So you think FeLV would show up by 3 months after the first combo test?  I'm 
just wondering what the maximum amount of time it can take to show up on a test 
once they've been exposed to FeLV.  Someone recently said it can take up to a 
year before the test would indicate that the cat is positive.  I wonder if that 
is true.

Yeah, I've have heard that a cat with no symptoms could be a carrier of FeLV.  

FIV is harder to spread than FeLV according to everything I've read.  It can 
only be spread by a deep bite wound.  The saliva carrying the FIV virus has to 
go directly into the bloodstream.  It cannot be spread by mutual grooming or 
sharing food bowls.  So if the cat isn't a biter then there is no danger of him 
spreading FIV to other cats in the household.  That's why I've never separated 
my FIV cat from the others.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

 Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:02:07 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] How long can FeLV stay dormant?
 Ideally, when a cat is tested for anything, FIV/FeLV, it should be isolated
 for three months and retested.  However, rescue groups cannot do it because
 of space limitations, especially isolation areas.
 When a cat tests negative, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's true - the
 cat may just have been exposed to it, and it would show up 3 months
 I've never had a FIV cat living with healthy ones, nor can I do it as a
 rescue organization.  However, we had one cat that tested negative for
 FIV/FeLV, and many years later, started being illmy vet asked for some
 blood test at the lab, but they mistakenly tested for FIV - it turned out
 that she was positive.  No one living with her ever became sick, to this
 day.  She died about two years later at age 14/15.  However, FIV is not as
 serious as FeLV, which seems increasingly more mysterious to me after having
 been reading all the posts about FeLV+ cats living with healthy ones. The
 two FeLV+ cats we have, are very healthy, exhibit absolutely no signs of any
 symptoms. I'm not sure what exactly it means when someone says that a FeLV
 cat with no symptoms could be a carrier; it can't be that the cat is
 perfectly healthy and can't mean that at some point, will not become
 symptomatic, does it?  I do everything I can to keep them very healthy with
 supplements, good food, TLC, etc.   
 -Original Message-
 [] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
 Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:11 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] How long can FeLV stay dormant?
 I've heard from some of the vets that FeLV can hide in the bone marrow for a
 while before ever showing up on a combo test.  How long do you think that
 can happen before the combo tests shows positive?  Anyone have experience
 with this?  If the FeLV + cat and the other cat have been living together
 for a year and the healthy cat's combo test was negative after a year
 together with lots of exposure, is there a chance it is still hiding in the
 healthy cat's bone marrow and not showing up yet?  It seems to me that a
 year would be enough time for the virus to show up in a test.
 I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
 profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
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Re: [Felvtalk] Xander Aloysious

2011-01-16 Thread create_me_new
It sounds like he found his miracle in you :)
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From: Sherry DeHaan
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 05:54:11 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Xander Aloysious

I had to let my beautiful boy Xander go last night. He has been a miracle cat 
since Dec. 2 when he had his bloodwork done and Dr. Jen said he should NOT have 
been alive. His blood cells barely existed but yet he was SO full of life 
still. She sent him home with me and told me to love him to pieces cause she 
would be amazed if he makes it another week Well he proved to be a miracle 
cat for 42 days. But when he stopped wanting to eat and stopped giving momma 
his headbutts that won me over and convinced me to adopt him 4 1/2 years ago ,I 
knew I had to let him go before he crashed.Very hard night but relieved he is 
no longer sick.I love you my beautiful boy...

We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
than our own,
Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
We still would have it no other way

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Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy update (happy news)

2010-12-31 Thread create_me_new
Aww that is great news!

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From: Emeraldkittee
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:46:04 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Whimsy update (happy news)

After a stressful, scary week, Whimsy, aka the Whimzinator, is back and better 
than ever.  I knew all he wanted was to go out, so relunctantly, I took him in 
the yard with me for an hour in the cold, and he was thrilled.  he sniffed, 
walked around, and then ran back in. He was satisfied, had his fill.  He 
literally came back to life in front of my eyes.  He hasn't wanted to go out 
since, and we don't have any plans to do so.  Just to build his enclosure.  It 
was against everything I believe is right, but I felt him telling me it was the 
only way he'd eat again.  I really felt he would die if he didn't get to do 
this.  The pepcid injections helped too - but right after he ran in, he ate 
again, after barely eating for 6 days.  He's now back to where he was calorie 
wise, and is even more loving and cuddly...
go figure...
thank you everyone for your help.  And thank you for the suggestions on nausea 
- i think he got a sour tummy from being upset, and created a big problem for 
himself.  your suggestions made me remember i could get pepcid injections 
(since we can't pill him) and this was great.
Shannon and the royal cat Whimsy

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Re: [Felvtalk] What to do after they die?

2010-11-07 Thread create_me_new
So sorry about your kitty. I never do anything special. Just clean like they 
had a cold. I wouldn't do anything. Her tree will be fine.
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From: Laura Svoboda
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:25:23 
Subject: [Felvtalk] What to do after they die?


I tried sending a post several days ago, but my membership had not gone through 
yet so my post was rejected.  I was asking for suggestions on how to get my FLV 
cat, Chloe, to eat.  Very sadly, she passed away early yesterday morning.  I 
wish I had found this group earlier, but from the time she started feeling 
droopy to the time she passed away was just three weeks - way too fast.  
can anyone tell me what I need to do, if anything, to her cat tree, cat tunnel, 
litter box, toys, etc. before I pass them on to another home?  I have read that 
the virus does not live long outside of the body, but have also read that a 
person should wait 30 days before introducing another cat in the home - leaving 
me to believe that perhaps her things may still have enough of the virus on 
to get other cats sick.  That is the last thing I'd want.  Does anyone have any 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

2010-10-14 Thread create_me_new
Yes, it can be. Stress can also be damaging  was a big reason I chose to mix.
At this point my negative cats are all 9-10 yrs old  have other medical issues 
which will probably get them way before FeLV or Vaccine sarcomas.
Again, it is a personal choice which should not be made lightly. All the Info 
should be looked at  each person has to make the choice they know they can 
live with.

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-Original Message-
From: Michelle Brockman
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:31:49 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing

Over vaccinating can also be damaging in its own right. Please everyone 
remember that.

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From: Beth
Sent: 10/14/2010 11:16:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I mixed my cats on the ADVICE OF MY VET. She vaccinated my negatives, including 
my FIV+ cat every 6 months. I had 5 negatives  5 positives who shared 
everything. I even had one cat live for many months in one room with one of my 
negatives. All negative cats have been re-tested several times over the years  
NONE have turned positive. Including my FIV cat, who obviously had a depressed 
immune system. He lived for many years after the FeLV cats passed away.
I don't think I am a bad person for doing that. It was not a decision lightly 
reached  I took every initial precaution to make sure my negatives cats were 
I would never tell someone to mix - that is a personal decision  should be 
discussed with a vet. Before I mixed any of my cats I got my negatives 
re-vaccinated, waited 3 weeks, got them boostered, waited another week,  then 
let them mix.
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From: Michelle Brockman
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 11:54 PM

I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100% 
efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a terrible 
death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the virus knowingly, 
regardless of how many people may have been lucky with mixing so far. The virus 
can be spread through saliva which means continual shared eating and drinking 
quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on in litterboxes so it isn't just 
fighting you have to consider. I am a very positive person and love all animals 
regardless of their infliction but could never imagine why anyone would want to 
risk endangering their other pets, vaccine or not.

-Original Message-
From: Melinda Kerr
Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and 
every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for sharing.

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On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank  Sue Koren wrote:

 I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me.  He tested positive in January
 of 2008.  At that time Casper was about 4 years old.  I had all my positive
 cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of
 2008.  In July I took in another positive and in September still another
 positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem.  I kept
 all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines.  In December of 2009
 Casper started sneezing quite a bit.  He went through a round of antibiotics
 and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on
 meds again.  Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I
 took him to the vet again.  That was when they decided to test him for
 feline leukemia.  He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010.
 I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another
 cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be
 checked out.  Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably
 positive when I brought him into my home, but he spent about two years with
 me before he was ever exposed to a FeLV+ cat. I believe that if I had never
 mixed my positives and negatives Casper would still be alive.
 I'm sorry to be the one with the bad news, but it is better to understand
 that there is a risk and that feline leukemia is a horrible and dangerous

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 [] On Behalf Of Melinda Kerr
 Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:15 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing

 OK,  I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one.
 What I really want is 

Re: [Felvtalk] Add my Chloe (FELV) to the Bridge list

2010-10-11 Thread create_me_new
Chloe had a good number of years  lots of love with you. Bless you  Chloe, 
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From: Gloria B. Lane
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 18:53:21 
To: Feline
Subject: [Felvtalk] Add my Chloe (FELV) to the Bridge list

My Chloe died today - she's a gray and white FELV kitty, a lovely and  
sweet kitty.  I got her in Sept 2005, from a lady in Oklahoma named  
Jennifer.  Jennifer had been a vet tech, and had FELV cats, but when  
her baby developed serious problems and she needed to pass her specia  
needs cats on to someone else, and I took them.

One by one they have passed on.  Chloe was the last - she was 15 or  
16, claws had grown out, and she was having some kidney problems.   
Fall is so dry, it seems to be hard on kidney cats.

Chloe was a sweetie and had a soft and gentle passing.  I kept  
covering her and trying to keep her hydrated and warm, but she said no  
mom, I don't want the cover on me. Sleep soft sweet Chloe.


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Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

2010-10-11 Thread create_me_new
I use the Viralys too. It is easy to syringe  give. I use for my cat with 
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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:03:49 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

HI, It might have been to much,or not mixed enough. My vet has a 
tube,Varalys,oral gel for cats.Each 1.25 ml contains 250mg of L-lysineHCI in a 
highly palatable base. I copied that from the tube.CAthy--- On Mon, 10/11/10, 
Natalie wrote:

From: Natalie
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction
Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 12:47 PM

I believe that L-Lysine is available in liquid form.maybe that would
work better?

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Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:50 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

Have been reading lately on here about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a
tablet very well (I have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here and
we had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food.  Poor guy vomited it
right up -- I mean, back into the feed dishes!
So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to half a tab (about
250 mg)?
Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to L-Lysine?  Ideas?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

2010-10-11 Thread create_me_new
I use advantage. FeLV cats are very prone to Hemobartonella, which will cause 
severe anemia  comes from fleas. ALL my cats get Advantage every month  I 
have never had a problem. Fleas also cause tape worms which will deprive the 
cat of nutrients.
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From: Szacherdroid
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:34:49 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Help- need advice on fleas

Hi all...I suspect Spanky may have fleas. I found some flea dirt looking dust 
and a lump under his chin and also have been seeing little red bugs around but 
no fleas when I comb him. Some were flying so I thought, they couldn't be 
fleas.  I also have a dog and it has been unseasonably warm here in WI this 

Please let me know how you treat an felv kitty with a weak immune system for 
fleas.  I am terrified at the prospect of having to spray my home and treat 
him.  He used to get one of the topicals years ago but vet didn't think that 
would be good for him now.  We have a vet appt tomorrow for ltci injection and 
bloodwork.   I am taking some of the sample bugs I collected for 

Thanks for your help, Stacy and Spanky
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Re: [Felvtalk] Feluk positive kitty

2010-09-24 Thread create_me_new
No need to throw anything out.  I don't even wash the carriers. These myths 
infuriate me!
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From: Edna Taylor
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:06:38 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Feluk positive kitty

We just rescued a Feluk + kitty and are fostering him for two weeks until he is 
past his 14 day quarantine and goes to another foster home.  My question is 
this, we have 28 cats (yep, that's a LOT of cats) and we will keep him in the 
study during this time.  However, I have had several people say oh you need to 
throw everything away and bleach everything down when he is gone or you will 
transmit it to your cats and it is my understanding that the virus is fragile 
when outside it's living host and therefore, I would thinlk that a good 
cleaning and some time (i.e. a week or two) would be sufficient before letting 
our cats back into the study.  Thoughts?  We have wood floors but there is a 
rug, chair and cat condos in there (which can be removed, of course).
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Re: [Felvtalk] cat litter

2010-08-09 Thread create_me_new
$10.00 !!!??? I want to live where you are! I pay about $30 for a 17 lb bag at 
Petsmart in Atlanta. Been buying it for a few years  must say it truly is the 
Worlds Best!
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Subject: [Felvtalk] cat litter

hello everyone,

just found a great new litter called World's Best Cat Litter.  i found it at 
Tractor Supply in Troy, Mo., but they are starting to sell through  PetsMart 
and PetCo.  it comes in 3 diferent sizes.  it is great, a 17 lb bag costs 
$10.00 and it lasts longer than clay litter.  best of all, it is gound up corn 
so it is biodegradeable, light weight compared to clay, clumps really good 
(even Dee can't break up the clumps), doesn't smell and lasts longer because 
you can get out whole clumps and don't waste as much.  i called them and they 
sent me a $3.00 coupon.  also sent me to Smart where i got another 
$3.00 coupon.  they started out in New York area and now are spreading across 
the country.  i live in the country so i just made another compost pile for the 
cat litter.  even if you are in the city and cannot have compost piles, when it 
gets to the landfil, it will break down and not hurt the environment. 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Brown spider (loxosceles reclusa) bite leads tohemolytic anemia

2010-07-11 Thread create_me_new
We are talking bout a Brown Recluse? Don't they have the violin on their 
back? I find them all the time will be much more careful from now on!
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From: LauraM
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 21:11:10 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brown spider (loxosceles reclusa) bite leads to
hemolytic anemia

I was bitten by one last November. My wound didn't become necrotic - but the 
swollen area was about 10 in diameter, it was tremendously painful and I have 
a discolored  noticeable concavity in my leg at the bite site which will 
probably be permanent. Since that time I have suffered from constant exhaustion 
along with muscle spasms in the affected leg that are sometimes non-stop.
So, I am always on the lookout for them. Interesting - I would love to see the 
research if you would kindly email it to me.

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From: Ana Gutierrez
Subject: [Felvtalk] Brown spider (loxosceles reclusa) bite leads to hemolytic 
Date: Saturday, July 10, 2010, 11:53 PM


I keep thinking of how fast I lost Beltza, and hence I keep researching.
Just to find out that is very weird*, but that the bite of a *Loxosceles
reclusa* causes hemolytic anemia.

*weird in adults, not that weird in children -- I would say, not that weird
in our cats.

I don't know if these spiders are common where you live, but please google a
pic of them so you can recognize it --and kill it--- when you see one.
Please don't expose your kitties to this bug.


PS. If someone wants the original scientific papers I've read, let me know,
so I can email them
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dante has passed over the Rainbow Bridge

2010-06-09 Thread create_me_new
Thank you Shannon. He has already sent me a new FeLV kitty named Napoleon from 
a friend who does rescue also. Napoleon has been living in a cage in her 
daughter's bedroom. They were teaching him to walk on a leash. I hope he is 
happy here with my other 2 FeLV kitties.
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From: Emeraldkittee
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:30:55 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dante has passed over the Rainbow Bridge

Oh I am deeply sorry about sweet Dante.  I have a feeling he might 'send' you 
someone special.  Thank God you were there to care for Dante before he became 
an angel with a tail.

--- On Wed, 6/9/10, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

From: Diane Rosenfeldt
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dante has passed over the Rainbow Bridge
Date: Wednesday, June 9, 2010, 6:12 PM

Beth, I'm so sorry Dante passed before you could get to know each other
better. I know he knows he was loved. As for being ready, I think you'll
probably find that you are when you need to be.

Diane R. 

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[] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 4:25 PM
To: FeLV Talk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Dante has passed over the Rainbow Bridge

My FeLV foster kitty Dante passed over the Rainbow Bridge today. I only had
him a few months, but loved him dearly. He preferred human company over
kitty company, but was tolerant of the other kitties. He was a beautiful
grey boy pulled from Animal Control by the rescue I work with. It will be a
long time before I stop expecting to see him in his bed.
He went downhill fast the last 2 weeks. The X-rays done yesterday indicated
he was full of tumors. Luckily he had the lady who originally pulled him
from AC to be there with him. Our group never lets animals be euthanized
without someone from the shelter being there, for which I am very grateful.
It looks like I will be getting a new FeLV kitty from a friend tonight. Not
sure I'm ready.

Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter!   

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Re: [Felvtalk] Tommy is gone

2010-05-08 Thread create_me_new
Lisa -
I'm sure Tommy was comforted by you holding him. You gave him a good life.
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From: Lisa Borden
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 09:40:11 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Tommy is gone

Just a note to let you know that Tommy lost his battle with FeLV on Tuesday. I 
still cannot believe how quickly it took over, and by Tuesday morning he was so 
weak and his eyes were so empty. It was like his soul had left his little body. 
He was extremely anemic and his liver enzymes were elevated. I do know that 
recently, he had ceased to be happy, and that was really bothering me. He 
passed away Tuesday morning in my arms as he got the medicine that helped him 
to an eternal sleep.

I want to thank everyone for the information on this list, because even though 
I didn't post often I did read the list frequently. I have to believe that he 
had a year and a half with me that he might not have had with someone else.

I will continue to pray for you and your furbabies. May something be discovered 
to help these kitties.

Much love,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Just checking in...Murphy and Rosie

2010-04-24 Thread create_me_new
You sound like an amazing person, Alice. How wonderful of you to have loved 
these babies so much. Good luck to you with your upcoming appointment  I hope 
you are blessed with some help with your home.
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From: Alice Flowers
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:45:00 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Just checking in...Murphy and Rosie

I've been off boards for a bit-This whole FeLV thing is so sad-reading all the 
new people's posts desperately seeking information and hope (like me a year and 
a half ago). Then reading as our sweet little babies lose their battle with 
this dreaded disease-Like the 4 sibling brothers I had. We have been lucky so 
far with Murphy and Rosie since starting the Imulan treatments last September 
(before they had any symptoms). Their bloodwork has been pretty good-both have 
HCT in the 35-39 range. We got behind in the blood testing and have an appt 
today because Murphy has developed a sneeze that appears to be allergies, but I 
cannot take a chance-so we will have them both checked and I may get brave and 
order another FeLV test-This is so hard financially-in a year and a half-we had 
the 6 kitties to the vets on numerous occasions-tried one transfusion that 
didn't help ($1500 for that alone) we are damned if we do and damned if we 
don't-it rips your heart out-we
 tried to treat this disease and have spent our savings - got behind and are 
fighting foreclosure...(over 7500 in vet bills in the past 1 1/2 yrs on the 6 
kitties-and that's not the old dogs or horses) it's a disease of the heart-we 
were so heartbroken and desperate to save this feral litter-we loved them so 
muchand we weren't even cat people until we rescued them. Their sweet 
little faces and kitten could you resist?? Anyway-the last 2 
appear to be well so far and we were at 8 weeks apart with the injections-have 
one dose each left and I've postponed giving it to stretch the dollars. So we 
are headed to our vet for check ups and blood work today. I just want to say 
bless you to all of you-this is a battle not won too often, but your support 
and kind words have helped so many of us!
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Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy

2010-04-17 Thread create_me_new
My one feral loses his hair sometimes  then it grows back.
One of my FeLV babies took months to grow her hair back where she was shaved 
when she was spade. I think it is just a result of the depressed immune system.
--Original Message--
From: Heather
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy
Sent: Apr 16, 2010 9:56 AM

This sounds similar to a lot of allergy, or flea allergy, hair loss we've
seen in outdoor cats here.   Even if there aren't apparent fleas, allergic
reactions can be triggered by just oneand of course, it could also be
seasonal type allergies.

Glad he is doing well!

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.comwrote:

 yes, and I brought up demodex too, but they said it wasn't that.

 I brought my gentian violet to show the vet and she said 'why not'  - she's
 a great dr, because she is open to new ideas.

 he is a survivior :)  and it's an honor to care for him:)

 --- On Thu, 4/15/10, Laurieskatz wrote:

 From: Laurieskatz
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy
 Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 6:50 PM

 This sounds very good. Did the vet ever suggest demodex mite as the cause
 the itching and fur loss?
 My vet says it's almost impossible to test for ringworm. He doesn't even
 test anymore. He tends to treat small patches with human fungal cream and
 larger patches with an oral medication.
 Whimsy sounds like a survivor!
 Thanks for taking care of him!

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 [] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
 Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 6:35 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy

 Whimsy - (the outdoor, used to be feral FeLV little boy who had a scary
 jerking/twitching episode a few weeks back you might recall) - had his
 up and everything was normal.  His bloodwork and stool came back normal
 too.  His skin has been his only issue - he was bald on the left side, then
 the right, now it's down to his tail.  This is the 8th week of this, and I
 had figured it was ringworm.  He has no fleas nor mites, and the clinic
 didn't think it was ringworm, but of course tested him (it's ongoing, for
 those who aren't familiar - they put it in a jar, and see if it grows) It
 may have been self limiting and somehow he cleared it.  Or, it could be
 severe allergies. He is a long hair (so hard to be an outside baby with
 fur!) and matted so severely in the winter (before I could touch him) that
 it's also possible this is why there was hair loss. His itching is severe
 but the skin now is normal (used to have lesions) He hates fish oil, I
 was hoping he would take it to soothe the inflamation.

 My vet was surprised that everything was normal, since his IFA was
 too.  Or, can it be that if the immune system is just so out of whack it
 can't even register in the bloodwork? His heart/lungs/lymph nodes, etc are
 all normal too.  We think he is just under 2 years old.  He lost 7 ounces,
 but that was since the neutering in Jan, and could be normal.

 He's got a set up in the shed, but likes to sleep right on the patio and
 back door stoop; I am also showing him the sunroom, and he's slowly
 it out, so I hope he can stay in there. He's no longer terrified of
 ceilings, but only cautious, and is understanding that 'inside is good'.
 Every time I take him to the vet, he gets more loving, like he knows we are
 trying to help him.  I guess I will take his results as good news for now,
 and try to be as preventative as we can.

 thanks for everyone's help.  He's such an adorable character, with a high
 pitched meeew and jade green eyes. And he knows his daddy now too, and made
 sure he fell in love with him too (he seemed to know that was the ticket to
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Re: [Felvtalk] Goodbye sweet Casper

2010-04-07 Thread create_me_new
I am sorry for your loss. What a sweet tribute. While he may have taken a piece 
of your heart, it sounds like having him in your  life  added to your heart, 
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From: Frank  Sue Koren
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 20:28:57 
To: FeLV
Subject: [Felvtalk] Goodbye sweet Casper

I am heartbroken to say that this afternoon my sweet Casper lost his battle.  
He was one of the most sweet tempered cats I have ever known.  He never ever 
bit or clawed anyone in anger, not for any reason. 

 He used to come to bed and make bread in the middle of the night right into my 
stomach until I got in the habit of sleeping while holding his paws gently in 
my hands. 

 He loved nothing more then to be brushed with an old blue hairbrush.  In the 
middle of the night last night I was spending what I was pretty sure was my 
last few hours with him brushing him with it.  He was still pushing against it 
with the sides of his face and purring.  This morning when I left for work I 
told him goodbye and thanked him for coming to live with me and being such a 
special kitty.  My mother in law sat with him today and he passed around 2:30.  
She told me the rest of the cats in the house came and sat in a circle around 
him, almost like a vigil.  Orlando has slept near him for the last several days 
and through the night. 

I hope now Casper is in a place where there is no more feline leukemia and he 
can run free and watch the birds and chipmunks all he wants.  Whenever I lose 
one of these sweet kitties they take a piece of my heart.
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Re: [Felvtalk] PS Whimsy - twitching/jerking

2010-03-30 Thread create_me_new
Is there no rescue near you that can help him? Do you have any animal friendly 
friends? Get him in a carrier  into a vet ASAP, PLEASE!
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From: Emeraldkittee
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:22:21 
Subject: [Felvtalk] PS Whimsy - twitching/jerking

I should also mention that he seems frantic too, and runs in bursts, jumps on 
fences, but nearly falls off.  He's been running in circles in the yard.   He 
also just let out a bunch of sneezes.  I hope I didn't give him what my guys 
have, this has been a horrible time.
I always touched him w/ gloves, tied my hair back, etc.  
Is my only option??I was so hoping we'd have him in during the Summer.  
He's about 1 /12 yrs old. We cannot bring him in, all the extra spots are 
quarantined and I won't be allowed and I don't own the house and I understand 
wanted to protect the others (who nearly died this week - needed fluids, temps 
over 105, and we are still closely watching our FIV/HCM boy and lupus/HCM boy.  
This seems too cruel.  He needs me now to hold him and I can't.  
I assume he will go down hill quickly? I want to know he doesn't get so 
confused that he runs off and gets hurt or attacked by a coyote (we had our 
first in the yard the other day) 
Coming to grips with the fact that this is the first one I can't do everything 
for is very difficult.

--- On Tue, 3/30/10, Emeraldkittee wrote:

From: Emeraldkittee
Subject: Whimsy - twitching/jerking
Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 5:57 PM

My dear Whimsy, little FeLV positive boy, is still in our yard.  You might 
recall I was trying to work on bringing him to our sunroom.  He developed a 
terrible ringworm (99% sure) which delayed that.  On the day I was to bring him 
in for a check up and treatment for ringworm (he used to be feral but now sits 
on my lap etc, but still needs sedation at vet) my indoor kitties had a 
terrible outbreak of calici, and we are still dealing with it. We have immune 
suppressed kitties inside and to protect Whimsy I had to stop touching him 
(even w/ my usual gloves).  I know it hurt his feelings but I still visited 
him.  He has been energectic, bouncy, hungry, fun, etc.  Tonight he showed up, 
won't eat, is twitching, running, then laying down and twitching and jerking 
and chewing on his toes.  He is coming up to all our windows and meowing (he 
never did that, he still was a bit cagey).  My boyfriend figured I got the 
calici from him and brought it in, so I
 can't interact with him. 
I keep telling him to hang in there and we'll figure it out we just need time.  
But this twitching? And if he won't eat? Even if I suited up he's not a cat who 
can be syringe fed.  I'm not used to considering 'no options'.  Is this the end?
:( Shannon

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Re: [Felvtalk] The Heavens Cried for Max Today

2010-03-29 Thread create_me_new
He sounds like he was a very special little boy. They all have their own 
personalities  each touches us in their own way. You are so wonderful to have 
given them love.
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From: Sharyl
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] The Heavens Cried for Max Today
Sent: Mar 29, 2010 4:50 PM

I just mentioned my dear sweet Maxwell in a post.  I had adopted him and his 
sister last yr from a rescue as FeLV+ kittens.  I lost Molly Brown to wet FIP 
earlier this yr.  Today I lost Max to wet FIP.  I'm guessing their little 
immune suppressed bodies were more susceptible.  

It was raining as I drove Max to the vet this morning to have him PTS.  He 
passed on the way.  He is now at the crematory and his ashes will join Molly's 
and all my Angels.  

He was a real lover.  Was happiest cuddled on my shoulder.  He'd follow me 
around the house and always beat me to the kitchen where he begged for his 
favorite Temptation treats.  

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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Positive Young Mom Cat Babies

2010-03-29 Thread create_me_new
I don't know anything about this, so forgive me if this is an ignorant 
question, but isn't Aloe Vera toxic to cats? I know our rescue adopted out a 
cat that got very ill from munching on her new owner's Aloe Vera Plant.
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From: jbero
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV Positive Young Mom Cat  Babies
Sent: Mar 28, 2010 7:51 PM


You ask a loaded question.  Technically oral 'acemannan' is not yet
available.  What I was referring to was the oral form of sugars that
are an extract from the aloe vera plant.  The best product would be an
organic all natural aloe vera juice preparation.  There are a few good
ones out there.

With respect to specific papers supporting it's efficacy.  Well, this
is convoluted.  Largely because felv is so unpredictable and it's hard
to say whether any of these treatments are really doing anything
anyway.  Having said that, there are many papers written about the
value of aloe vera poly- and mono-saccharides in viral infections and
immune support.  In reference to felv specifically most studies have
been done around the IP injection.  There is a paper comparing the use
of IP injection and oral preparation in fiv cats - comparable results
in each group.  I don't have access to pub meb from this computer, but
can get it from work and send you the abstract.  To me the big issue
is whether or not things are absorbed through the oral preparation -
the fiv paper supports that it does and most of what I know about
intestinal absorption supports easy passive and active diffusion of
the sugars.  Additionally any IP injection would also require
absorption into the vascular system.

To the best of my knowledge no specific research has yet been done or
at least published to answer your exact question.  Although it always
nice to have evidence to support actions, sometimes the data just
isn't there.  I still believe in the value of acemannan and believe it
can be used orally if only as a support measure in assisting the
immune system.

I have recently, however, spoken with a number of holistic vets who
have better success with a oral supplement known as Moducare - it is a
plant sterol derivative known to modulate the immune system.  Some of
them have also expressed support of the Standard Process feline immune
support supplement.   Who knows.

I wish there was a straight forward easy answer to this disease.  I
really do, but I haven't found it yet.  I will keep searching and I
hope that if you find anything of value that you share it with me.
Thanks and I will send you the paper when I can.


On 3/26/10, Gary wrote:

 I would be very interested in the source of the oral product and the
 protocol for FeLV cats.  Also, any articles or studies relating to the use
 of oral Acemannan.



 jbero wrote:


 3. Acemannan - a supplement known to help fight off the virus.  I would
 them on an oral dose of this daily.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccine

2010-03-29 Thread create_me_new
Many vets don't recommend them for indoor cats because of the problem with 
vaccine-site sarcomas. I think you should always get them at least their 1st 
vaccine  booster.
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From: Lorrie
Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccine
Sent: Mar 27, 2010 8:51 AM

A friend who lives in the Wash. DC area just told me her
vet no longer recommends vaccines for FelV. In her case,
she had a cat she adopted who was FelV pos. and he died
at 18 months of age.  She had her other two cats vaccinated
last year when she found out he was pos. and when she went
to get their annual FelV boosters she was told they don't
recommend them. I'm not sure if this means just the boosters 
or any FelV shots.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Baby Girl has passed

2010-03-12 Thread create_me_new
I'm so sorry you lost her,  so soon after Frosty Paws. At least she didn't 
suffer for a long time. I'm hoping your house stays healthy for a while now.
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From: LauraM
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:28:45 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Baby Girl has passed

Baby Girl died tonight around 7:30. It feels so strange to write that; I've had 
her for two years, she's been symptom-free for two yearsand then it 
happened. She declined quickly. I knew she was not going to make it, so we had 
a vet appointment for tomorrow morning for her to be PTS. Even a couple of days 
ago she was purring a bit and looking for chin scratches and head rubs, but by 
the time I left for work this morning I think she hardly knew I was there. When 
I arrived home this evening she was lying on her side, barely breathing. I held 
her on my lap for about 45 minutes, just waiting, then she shuddered, my lights 
flickered and she was gone. She will join Duncan, Charlotte, Chutney and Frosty 
Paws at the bridge. Now Celery is the last remaining cat of my original FeLV 
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Re: [Felvtalk] MeMe 2006-3-32010

2010-03-05 Thread create_me_new
Jane -
What a wonderful tribute to an extraordinary cat. And it sounds like she had 
extraordinary owners. All my FeLV cats have brought something special to my 
life  I have never regretted keeping any of them, no matter how much 
heartbreak I have had to go through.
One day your memories of her will only make you smile.
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From: Jane Lyons
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 10:11:52 
Subject: [Felvtalk] MeMe 2006-3-32010

I sent this message yesterday with a photo of MeMe but it did not go  
through the list.
There are two photos of her on my photo webpage. The one on the  
bottom right is the best of the two (if anyone wants to see her face)
Say two of the grieving process is not any better.


Last night the vet came at 10:00 to put MeMe to sleep. I had her for  
three years and two
days and I am grateful for each and everyone of those days. She was  
an extraordinary cat.

She was highly symptomatic with Felv  when we adopted her but we  
managed to
get her to a place of almost normalcy for almost three years and up  
until the last few months
she lived a full and happy life.

She had been in steady decline since mid December and the quality of  
her life had diminished
drastically. She stopped eating three days ago and yesterday morning  
she could not jump
down from the kitchen countertop. It was at that moment that I knew I  
had to make the call.

Four weeks ago she had a complete blood work up which turned out to  
be completely normal.
The vet was astonished when he called me with her report. He said he  
had been afraid to read it
because he didn't want to call me with , what he was sure, would be a  
bad report. I knew, despite
the numbers that she was not well. We had given her a round of  
Clavamox to help her stomatitis
and she developed diarrhea that I could not get rid of despite  
homeopathy and Forti-Flora that
had worked before.
We did an ultra sound of her digestive tract which proved to be  
inconclusive'' and yet she continued
to get sicker. Yesterday my husband found a mass behind her right ear  
that was enormous. It had not
been there a few weeks ago but I suspect her lymphatic system has  
been under assault since mid December
when I began to see changes in her coat and her energy and then her  
behavior. Through it all, she continued
to seek us out to sit in our laps and to sleep in our bed. She never  
hid or indicated that she wanted to be alone.

This weekend I walked into the front hall to find her lying between  
our two Scotties in a pool of sunlight.
As sick and as vulnerable as she was, she trusted them and us. She  
was a strong and trusting and courageous
animal who could scale 40' trees with more agility than a squirrel.  
She was fearless and when we discovered that
she was positive and could not go out she adapted to her cat jacket  
and spent all her days outside or going for
walks with the dogs. She led the pack with her tail straight up and  
an occasional detour to climb a tree (with her
20' retractable leash).

I could go on forever. She was just too wonderful.

I have one positive thing to report. She had stomatitis (inflamed and  
sore gums) which we treated with antibiotics
and homeopathy and a topical spray. Nothing worked for long. I  
discovered over this past month that the pro-biotic
I was using for her diarrhea helped her mouth enormously. I was  
mixing Forti-Flora in her food twice a day for weeks
and last week I noticed that her mouth was almost normal. For anyone  
dealing with stomatitis you might try a probiotic.

So dear friends I think that all of us who are loving these  
endearing, loving creatures can learn a lot from their nobility and  
MeMe was a gift and a life lesson to me. She has taught me so much  
and while she is not sitting in my lap as I type (and cry) she is  
deeply imbedded in
my heart and will always be.

Bless all of you who are living and learning from these very special  


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Re: [Felvtalk] Casper is positive

2010-03-04 Thread create_me_new
I'm so sorry to hear this. I've always mixed mine with no transmission. But 
that was a personal choice.
I know some people on this list have successfully treated anemia. It depends on 
what is the underlying cause. They give Doxy in the hopes it is Hemobart.
I hope for the best for you and Casper.
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From: Frank  Sue Koren
To: FeLV talk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Casper is positive
Sent: Mar 4, 2010 7:47 PM

My poor sweet Casper is FeLV+.  So by making the decision to mix I have 
condemned him.  He is anemic and he is going on Doxycyclne and Prednosolone.  
Has anyone ever heard of a cat that has anemia living longer then a few months?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Foster mom of FeLV+ cat

2010-03-03 Thread create_me_new
Hi Trish! I mix my FeVL
 Cats with my negative cats. I have for years with no problem. I simply 
vaccinate my negatives every 6 months. I am so happy to know your group has 
decided to give this kitty a chance. So many rescues simply euthanize them.
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From: Trish Sebben
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 14:18:59 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Foster mom of FeLV+ cat


My foster kitty, Zelda, has been diagnosed FeLV+ (snap test and IFA). I am 
seeking advice on the best way to care for Zelda, who is about a year old and 
has no symptoms, and also looking for resources and ideas for adoption. She has 
had extensive bloodwork, and our vet says she is an otherwise healthy girl.

Any advice, particularly regarding adoption resources for FeLV+ cats, would be 
greatly appreciated. She has a home here as long as she needs it, and I will 
move mountains if necessary to find an adoptive home for her. She currently has 
her own room at my house, but I can tell she is a social girl, and she deserves 
a home of her own. I have four FeLV negative cats of my own, and don't want her 
to spend her life in a small room by herself.

I am observing normal sanitary protocols - she is separate from my cats with no 
contact, and I thoroughly wash up when entering and leaving her room.

Right now she is being treated for bartonella, which all of the cats from the 
colony she came from have tested positive for, and is two weeks into her three 
week treatment. We also treated her for coccydia.  She's been spayed and 

Is there anything else I should be doing for her besides providing a warm, 
quiet environment and lots of love?
Thanks for any info you can provide - this is my rescue's first FeLV case. It 
was suggested that I send her to sanctuary, but I see that option as a last 
resort, and don't want to turn my back so quickly on this sweet girl who has 
put her trust in me.



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Re: [Felvtalk] intro

2010-02-24 Thread create_me_new
I've had many FeLV cats over the last 10 years. I've never separated them from 
my negative cats. One of my FeLV  negative cats was FIV positive. I vaccinated 
for FeLV every 6 months on the advice of my vet - won't mention her name, but 
she is now a nationally known vet. They all shared food, water, etc. None of my 
negative cats ever got the FeLV. Not even my FIV cat. There have been others on 
this list in the past who mixed their cats as well.
On the subject of giving the FVRCP vaccines I can tell you I do not ever give 
it to my FeLV cats anymore. The last time I did the cat immediately got sick  
never recovered.  She died within a few weeks of getting the vaccine. I know 
others who don't give it to their FeLV cats either - for the same reason. You 
would not give a sick cat a vaccine  FeLV cats already have a depressed immune 


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From: Emeraldkittee
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:09:28 
Subject: [Felvtalk] intro

I just joined this group -  not sure how active it is, but I was thrilled to 
find the site.
I've been taking care of a feral turned 'could be housecat' for 6 months.  
Finally I was able to trap Whimsy and got him fixed, etc.  He turned out to 
be FeLV positive, but seemingly asymptomatic.  We did not do a blood work as 
initially this was to be a TNR.  He is approx 1 1/2 yrs old.  I have other 
inside kitties, so after hearing the FeLV news it wasn't an option to bring him 
in, but I also refused to put him down.  He does still live outside, but won't 
stay in the numerous shelters I have put out for him any longer due to possums 
moving into them.  He hangs out in the yard most of the time, despite the cold 
Midwest weather, and is fed twice a day.  Since his fixing 4 wks ago, he's 
become even sweeter, almost babyish and refuses to get off my lap when it's 
time for me to go inside.  He's a real climber, jumper, I often see him on 
roofs and in trees.  He was popcorning all over the place at the vet's - though 
I got him to walk into the
 carrier, he had to be sedated once there after a near escape. 
my question: I have a sun room that I could put him in, if my partner agrees, 
but what risk is there to my other kitties, a few with their own issues (FIV, 
HCM, CRF, lung issues, allergies).  I am not super concerned about FeLV being 
spread since they'd be separated(unlikely) but other things Whimsy might have - 
like Panleuk.  I have never been able to get a stool sample from him.  what 
other scary things are possible? how do I ensure he won't have them?
I did confirm the ELISA with an IFA, and it was positive.  This is 'stage 5 or 
6', then?  
His health issues have been: bouts of no appetitite in Dec coinciding with a 
runny eye and wound on chest.  I got him on antibiotics and it took a good 2 
wks, but the eye cleared and his appetite was back.  He's had some not eating 
issues lately, but seems more concerned I coax him and sit with him while he 
eats.  Pepcid helps slightly.  He's also been on an immune booster for a month.
He used to be a dodgy feral and now tries to rub his face on mine - he's come 
such a long way. I would love to hear any opinions or stories.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Frosty Paws will be PTS tomorrow

2010-02-16 Thread create_me_new
I don't understand why people don't tell you the full story. I run into that 
all the time in rescue. She may have just been afraid you wouldn't take him. I 
wish you the best tomorrow.
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From: LauraM
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:07:28 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Frosty Paws will be PTS tomorrow

Well, I just got off the phone with the woman who rescued him, and she told me 
some things I hadn't known about. First of all, she said he'd frequently been 
sick:  lethargic, lifeless, with labored breathing. She didn't know he was 
positive at the time. And I thought she'd had him for just a little while, but 
in fact he'd lived with her since last April. I'm not sure when he was tested.
So this guy has been symptomatic for some time, now. I wish I'd known this. I 
would have still taken him in - but I'd have begun some sort of treatment a 
month ago.  She's a reiki practicioner, and when he had these episodes of 
illness she'd work on him and he'd recover. She's driving an hour from Newnan 
tomorrow to meet me at the vet, and we'll take things from there.

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