Re: [Felvtalk] Callie
Lance, I know it's hard but I really wouldn't worry too much about it. Some of the negatives I have were really sick and in the same small kennel for months with sick FeLV's before I got them. Callie is also an adult so more immune to the virus. DMG is really good for cats with HCM but I haven't seen any data about it being proven to stimulate or support immune systems. If you have Transfer Factor plus tri factor, I'd give that to Callie. That really has helped all the FeLV cats here and also non FeLV ones that were sick. Try not to worry too much. El From: lini...@fastmail.fm To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 13:50:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Callie The hardest part is that this was preventable. Not all accidents are, but when they are, they feel all the more tragic. I'm talking to an alternative medicine vet at 3:30 to see if she thinks DMG would be a good idea. I'd prefer to get the go-ahead from a professional. Really, it's up to Callie's immune system to recognize the virus and react appropriately. I want to be hopeful, but I'm so concerned and depressed that it's hard to not despair. I am trying to tell myself that being positive is the only way forward, but it doesn't always stick, especially when I wake up and remember what's happening. I appreciate the kind words and support that I've gotten here. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle
I've used Transfer Factor Plus Tri Factor for FeLV+ cats for several years. It's the best immune booster I've tried. Also, I use the Agaricus Blazeii. Although all of the FeLV+ cats that I've taken in have come very ill and emaciated, once all the infections are treated and their immune system is built up, they haven't had for a few years. Mattie is the third one that has gotten lymphoma though after being healthy for 4 1/2 - 5 years. That seems to be the pattern here. One came with endocarditis but he lived 5 years with the right medical treatment and the transfer factor. El From: lini...@fastmail.fm Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 10:54:00 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle I see that I wrote beware where I meant be aware. A few options you may want to discuss with a holistic vet: Thorne Research - ImmugenAtlas World - Agaricus Bio for Dogs and Cats4Life - Transfer Factor Plus You wouldn't necessarily want them on all of that at the same time, but those are a few more options. The reason I think working with a holistic vet is a good idea is that they can help you coordinate an approach as well as vouch for supplements that they use. On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:I've given Ember a product called Liquid DMG off and on. Vetri Science seems to be a reliable company, and I don't believe there's a risk of side effects. You might want to discuss this with a holistic vet in your area. Everything you mention is great to have. I don't think you'll need much else. What you mainly want to do is beware of how the cats are behaving, how well they eat and drink, how well they use the box, and how everyone generally feels. Your eyes, ears, and attention to detail are more useful than anything you could buy. That said, be careful not to scrutinize too much. As others have said, FeLV+ cats get illnesses that may have nothing to do with FeLV, and those are often treatable. Lance On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:07 AM, kasia mosko kasia...@yahoo.com wrote:Hi All, So I am getting myself ready for the emergency situations, since the most important thing with felv cats is not to let them get sick. I am wondering what exactly do I need? So far I've got on my list: scale to monitor their weight, thermometer, antibiotics (in case i see any scratches) to prevent infections. I definitely need something good for immune system. I also talked with the vet and we decided to put them on interferon alpha...may help. Please, members with felv experience, let me know what else could be helpful. Thanks,Kasia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle-El
Hi Kasia, I've used the classic formula but haven't been impressed with it, so I only use the TF plus Tri Factor for FeLV and other sick cats. It is expensive, especially if you're giving it to several cats. I wouldn't use it on a cancer kitty though because you don't want to stimulate the immune system. I haven't used ImmunoRegulin as it's not available here.I don't use L-lysine but if I did I'd probably give an Arginine supplement too.El From: kasia...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle-El Hi El, I actually have at home Transfer Factor Classic, I used it last year for my late cat. What is the dosage, do you remember? So, your kitties were ok for about five years after being diagnosed? Thanks,Kasia From: designercats cats designerc...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle I've used Transfer Factor Plus Tri Factor for FeLV+ cats for several years. It's the best immune booster I've tried. Also, I use the Agaricus Blazeii. Although all of the FeLV+ cats that I've taken in have come very ill and emaciated, once all the infections are treated and their immune system is built up, they haven't had for a few years. Mattie is the third one that has gotten lymphoma though after being healthy for 4 1/2 - 5 years. That seems to be the pattern here. One came with endocarditis but he lived 5 years with the right medical treatment and the transfer factor. El From: lini...@fastmail.fm Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 10:54:00 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Getting myself ready for the battle I see that I wrote beware where I meant be aware. A few options you may want to discuss with a holistic vet: Thorne Research - ImmugenAtlas World - Agaricus Bio for Dogs and Cats4Life - Transfer Factor Plus You wouldn't necessarily want them on all of that at the same time, but those are a few more options. The reason I think working with a holistic vet is a good idea is that they can help you coordinate an approach as well as vouch for supplements that they use. On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:I've given Ember a product called Liquid DMG off and on. Vetri Science seems to be a reliable company, and I don't believe there's a risk of side effects. You might want to discuss this with a holistic vet in your area. Everything you mention is great to have. I don't think you'll need much else. What you mainly want to do is beware of how the cats are behaving, how well they eat and drink, how well they use the box, and how everyone generally feels. Your eyes, ears, and attention to detail are more useful than anything you could buy. That said, be careful not to scrutinize too much. As others have said, FeLV+ cats get illnesses that may have nothing to do with FeLV, and those are often treatable. Lance On Jun 7, 2013, at 10:07 AM, kasia mosko kasia...@yahoo.com wrote:Hi All, So I am getting myself ready for the emergency situations, since the most important thing with felv cats is not to let them get sick. I am wondering what exactly do I need? So far I've got on my list: scale to monitor their weight, thermometer, antibiotics (in case i see any scratches) to prevent infections. I definitely need something good for immune system. I also talked with the vet and we decided to put them on interferon alpha...may help. Please, members with felv experience, let me know what else could be helpful. Thanks,Kasia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Lance, you and Ember are in my thoughts and prayers. El From: lini...@fastmail.fm Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:35:42 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Thank you, Beth, Sharyl, and Bonnie for thinking about my girl. She has a vet visit tomorrow. We’ll see how the lung mass has changed, and we’ll get a new cbc. Ember isn’t eating as well as I would like, but she sure loves her treats (Prescription Diet t/d – it could be worse). I've also caught her sitting in a slightly unusual position, and that makes me really hope that she's not in any pain or even mild discomfort. On Apr 22, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: You've got it, Lance! You and Ember are in loving/healing thoughts and prayers. Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has a mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to leave our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
Hi LanceEmber may have lymphoma. Several of the FeLV+ cats I've had stay extremely healthy for about 4 1/2 - 5 years and then develop lymphoma. I've had one with cns lymphoma, another with mediastinal lymphoma, and now also Mattie. Her tumours couldn't be removed but went away with iv chemo within the first month. One of them took up most of her bladder so it was inoperable.To determine what it is, and if you choose to treat it, you need biopsies taken at a good radiologist. They can be done using ultrasound and fna. Mattie has done extremely well on chemo and went into remission after a month. Only one week did she have a bit low wbc but that went up. I have her on a supplement called Onco Support by Rx Vitamins and now the Agaricus blazei. Hope this helps,El From: lini...@fastmaail.fm Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 17:52:39 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc We tested Ember again, and her wbc had gone back up to ~3.85, which is normal. Unfortunately, two other symptoms have manifested. Ember's left pupil, which has been abnormally large due to anisocoria likely caused by FeLV, is now fully open. We don't know why this is, but the vet thinks this could indicate cancer. In addition to that, the vet x-rayed Ember to see if she might have a fungal infection, and she found a mass in Ember's lungs. Ember doesn't have breathing difficulties, but the mass is such that there isn't a good way to access it. I really don't want to subject her to a thoracotomy. A urine test turned up no antigen for a fungal infection. I'm not sure what to do next. The vet said that another vet could do a CT scan. The same clinic (about an hour and a half away) could also do a test of Ember's left eye to see if cancer is involved. I don't know what that information would get us, however. Does anyone have experience with eye cancer or lung cancer in cats? I've been reading about Agaricus blazeii thanks to KG BarnCats, and I'm hoping that might slow the progress of whatever it is we're dealing with. I'm going to post to the feline cancer list on Yahoo!, but I'm wondering what people here might think. Thanks, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
Thank you for this timely info! One of my FeLV+ cats, Mattie was diagnosed with high grade lymphoma on Dec. 22nd. I've had her for 5 years now and she's done well. Her only symptoms were those of a bladder infection. Her bloodwork was great. She's been undergoing chemo since Dec. 27th and this last week, her lymphocyte count was a bit too low.After 4 weeks, she went into complete remission, and is doing well other than the slightly low wbc. She weighs 13 lbs, eats well, etc.. I'm also giving her onco support by rx vitamins, but no transfer factor. I was looking for something specifically to raise the wbc. I'll order this tomorrow and hopefully will get it quickly. How much did you give you cat undergoing chemo?Thank you so much again!El Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 21:13:36 -0500 From: kgbarnc...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc consider adding Agaricus blazeii for white cell stimulation, obtaining from atlasworldusa.com . It worked great for my felv- boy when he was going thru chemo for multi site lymphoma, the vets were astonished how great his bloodwork was. Normally the white count would drop dramatically but his stayed normal. I get the human capsules then mix it in the wet food. He is super fussy but ate it without problem. It is not very expensive, about $1 a day. the agaricus blazeii is a standard support recommended by Dr Alice Villa Lobos, one of the top feline cancer speciaiists in the US. Google immuno nutrition villa lobos to find out more. another thing to consider is transfer factor, more expensive but it is the stuff in mother's milk that stimulates, trains and regulates the immune system. It works for any mammal. There are several versions, the more expensive one with tri-factor is supposed to tune up the immune system over 400 per cent. I used to use it but had to give up due to the cost. Can be bought on Amazon. good luck KG On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Thanks for relating your experience, Sally. That link might come in handy, too. I wish we had more to go on than anecdotes, though. It seems like there haven't been that many studies done to confirm what treatments work best. I'm considering: ImmunoRegulinVirbagen OmegaLTCINeupogen I don't know if I can afford Neupogen, and when I talked to my vet about it, she seemed uncertain. It has a reputation for causing bone pain, and if I can help it, I don't want to give Ember something that makes her miserable. Virbagen Omega is expensive, but I know (roughly) how much it costs, and it's worth it to me if it can help Ember. There seems to have been some success in its use. Unfortunately, it still doesn't seem to be available here, and shipping is a good chunk of its cost. LTCI and ImmunoRegulin seem affordable and potentially useful. When I was last looking into these options, there wasn't much evidence to support LTCI's benefits. It seems to have become more accepted over the last few years, but I'm still feeling cautious about it. I'll do a more thorough scan of the list's archives soon, and I'm going to call a few vets tomorrow. Lance On Mar 3, 2013, at 12:25 AM, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote: Lance, Two of my cats got this. Junior went from being anemic to borderline low and his fevers which had been as high as 106.5 went away. Now As I am reading more I wish I had kept him on it. Tiny wasa asymptomatic but he was positive. He actually passed 4 mos after testing positive. The felv probably played a part. He most likely threw a clot I was with him and was too sudden. There was no emergency vet visit. The worst part was he died on Chstmas day. I miss them all.I ordered the IR from Revival Pet supply. I ordered mine direct does not require a presciption. http://www.revivalanimal.com/ImmunoRegulin-EqStim.html It was more if my vet ordered it. I took the vial in to the vet's office and a tech gave him the injection IV. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc
That's great news about Danny! I hope he continues to do well. It gives me hope. Thanks! El Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 21:50:18 -0500 From: kgbarnc...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc I gave 1/2 agaricus blazeii human capsule twice a day, so he got 600 mg/day. recommended on the pet bottle was 45 mg/lb so my dose was a little more than that. Danny went into remission in month and is still cancer free 6 years later. :) KG On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:25 PM, designercats cats designerc...@hotmail.com wrote: Thank you for this timely info! One of my FeLV+ cats, Mattie was diagnosed with high grade lymphoma on Dec. 22nd. I've had her for 5 years now and she's done well. Her only symptoms were those of a bladder infection. Her bloodwork was great. She's been undergoing chemo since Dec. 27th and this last week, her lymphocyte count was a bit too low.After 4 weeks, she went into complete remission, and is doing well other than the slightly low wbc. She weighs 13 lbs, eats well, etc.. I'm also giving her onco support by rx vitamins, but no transfer factor. I was looking for something specifically to raise the wbc. I'll order this tomorrow and hopefully will get it quickly. How much did you give you cat undergoing chemo? Thank you so much again! El Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 21:13:36 -0500 From: kgbarnc...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember - low wbc consider adding Agaricus blazeii for white cell stimulation, obtaining from atlasworldusa.com . It worked great for my felv- boy when he was going thru chemo for multi site lymphoma, the vets were astonished how great his bloodwork was. Normally the white count would drop dramatically but his stayed normal. I get the human capsules then mix it in the wet food. He is super fussy but ate it without problem. It is not very expensive, about $1 a day. the agaricus blazeii is a standard support recommended by Dr Alice Villa Lobos, one of the top feline cancer speciaiists in the US. Google immuno nutrition villa lobos to find out more. another thing to consider is transfer factor, more expensive but it is the stuff in mother's milk that stimulates, trains and regulates the immune system. It works for any mammal. There are several versions, the more expensive one with tri-factor is supposed to tune up the immune system over 400 per cent. I used to use it but had to give up due to the cost. Can be bought on Amazon. good luck KG On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Thanks for relating your experience, Sally. That link might come in handy, too. I wish we had more to go on than anecdotes, though. It seems like there haven't been that many studies done to confirm what treatments work best. I'm considering: ImmunoRegulinVirbagen OmegaLTCINeupogen I don't know if I can afford Neupogen, and when I talked to my vet about it, she seemed uncertain. It has a reputation for causing bone pain, and if I can help it, I don't want to give Ember something that makes her miserable. Virbagen Omega is expensive, but I know (roughly) how much it costs, and it's worth it to me if it can help Ember. There seems to have been some success in its use. Unfortunately, it still doesn't seem to be available here, and shipping is a good chunk of its cost. LTCI and ImmunoRegulin seem affordable and potentially useful. When I was last looking into these options, there wasn't much evidence to support LTCI's benefits. It seems to have become more accepted over the last few years, but I'm still feeling cautious about it. I'll do a more thorough scan of the list's archives soon, and I'm going to call a few vets tomorrow. Lance On Mar 3, 2013, at 12:25 AM, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote: Lance, Two of my cats got this. Junior went from being anemic to borderline low and his fevers which had been as high as 106.5 went away. Now As I am reading more I wish I had kept him on it. Tiny wasa asymptomatic but he was positive. He actually passed 4 mos after testing positive. The felv probably played a part. He most likely threw a clot I was with him and was too sudden. There was no emergency vet visit. The worst part was he died on Chstmas day. I miss them all.I ordered the IR from Revival Pet supply. I ordered mine direct does not require a presciption. http://www.revivalanimal.com/ImmunoRegulin-EqStim.html It was more if my vet ordered it. I took the vial in to the vet's office and a tech gave him the injection IV. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Black salve
Hi,Black salve (Neoplasene) isn't quackery. However it must be used with caution on a cat. I would strongly encourage anyone wishing to use it to join the Yahoo group -http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheBlackSalveNeoplaseneCancerForum/?yguid=323115008 It is a group with valuable information and very supportive.El Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 16:32:09 -0500 From: felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Black salve I have my doubts about this black salve too. If it is that much of a miracle salve vets would surely be using it. I fear this is just another quack making money on desperate people who want to save their pets. Human cancer victims fall for these things all the time, and it is unbelievably cruel to take money from people and give them false hope. Lorrie (aka older and wiser) On 02-19, Ruth Parsons wrote: Hi I appreciate all the info on FELV this group provides. I research treatments suggested and look for a variety of reliable sources to help me care for our cat, who is presently thriving despite 2 positive tests. The recent postings regarding black salve and Deva Khalsa gave me some concern. The links below, and others, raise issues about this product and the products promoted by this person. Just FYI. 1. [1]http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/eschar. html 2. [2]http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2010/07/double-helix-water-more-magic-wate r-quackery/ References 1. http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/eschar.html 2. http://skeptvet.com/Blog/2010/07/double-helix-water-more-magic-water-quackery/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
