Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

2012-10-13 Thread molveywda
Should have tied a string to the rabbit and dragged it along the floor.  They 
chase and eat anything that moves in my house!  If flies had enough protein 
several of mine could live off them.

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Subject: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food
Date: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 4:09 pm
i TRIED RABBIT FROM A NEIGHBOR WHO RAISES HIS ORGANIC FOR HIS OWN FOOD.  THEY 
LOOKED AT IT LIKE IT WAS ALIEN, WOULD NOT EVEN TOUCH IT.  I ONLY HAVE 7, BUT 
KEEPING ENOUGH MEAT FOR THEM WOULD BE A PROBLEM.  i HAVE A SIDE BY SIDE AND THE 
FREEZER IS NOT THAT LARGE.  AND GETTING IT OUT IN TIME TO THAW WOULD BE A 
PROBLEM WITH MY MEMORY.

 Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 It would be nice if I could do that but I'm feeding around 35 cats right now. 
  Feeding raw would cost me around $9 a day with turns into around $250 a 
 month.  On top of which, I would be a little nervous to feed raw chicken to 
 the cats.  Some of them probably wouldn't even understand what it was while 
 others might throw it up at first.  Cooked chicken would add about 3 hours 
 work to my day.  My freezer would be full of frozen chicken, not defrosted in 
 time for their dinner and I would go insane.

The dry food costs me about $100 - $150 a month.  With the price of Kirkland 
going up it would cost me about equal to that because they eat less of the 
Kirkland due to fat content.  Seems to fill them up better.  I used to buy 
Friskies regular type, and Purina Cat Chow (no one wanted to eat that).  Then I 
bought HEB brand Hill Country Fair and all the cats began throwing up in 
unison.  Stopped buying that also.  They seem to be able to digest Paws and 
Claws, the Tractor Supply brand that cost $20 for 36 pounds but the older ones 
lose weight when they eat it.  One of my cats, Isadora lost most of her fur 
(long hair) and had scabs and sores on her skin.  I began feeding Kirkland 
about 3 months ago and the other day I realized that Isadora had no more scabs 
and had grown back her fur.  The fat content did her a whole lot of good. She 
looks like she has gained a pound or two and is much more active. Mr. Buttons 
(Big Butt-tons) also gained weight on
  Kirkland.  I need to widen the doorway for him.
I will probably have to keep buying the Kirkland and just work harder. 



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free up cage space.

Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by 
implementing the No Kill Equation: 
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
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Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org

More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/

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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

2012-10-13 Thread molveywda
Lisa,

You were lucky because 9 1/2 years is a long time for a FeLV cat, especially if 
he had it as a kitten.  Most cats that had FeLV as a kitten don't live past 3 
years.  Many live less than a year.  If you were giving him interferon then 
maybe that was it.  I have heard of some that lived about that long but not too 
often if they got it as a kitten from their mom.  One vet told me about one 
that lived until it was 18.  I kind of wonder if the vet was smoking dope cause 
that's really odd.

I had one that died at 2 years old that had a mediastinal tumor.  Like Prancer 
she was fine then one day her breathing became labored.  Before the vet and I 
could even discuss what to do she died.  At the time I did not know she had 
FeLV because she tested negative as a kitten.  They didn't see the tumor on 
X-ray because of all the fluid so we did a necropsy to see where the fluid was 
coming from.  Sure enough the vet found this large tumor and it had actually 
punctured her heart and the fluid in her chest was all blood.  Then the vet got 
curious and did a combo test and found the FeLV.  My guess is that most likely 
the tumor would have eventually ruptured Prancer's heart too so you probably 
did the best thing for Prancer.

I didn't know they could treat those kinds of tumors.  In my cat's case it was 
too late when we found it but I'm glad to know that in case something comes up 
in the future.

Maureen


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From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon
Date: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 3:23 pm
I used interferon with Salome'.  I started her on it when she was 
about 3 years old, and I gave it to her as often as I could get a hold of 
it.

Salome' lived to be 9 1/2 years old, and she died from liver failure.

Hope that helps!

T

=^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, 
Samantha, 
Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire =^..^=

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Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 1:48 
PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon




Hi 
All,

I think 
everyone was so hung up with this politcal debate,  no one saw my 2 
questions on Interferon and the length of years a Felv + cat has 
lived.

Ok-  so,  I joined 
when my 9 + year old boy, Prancer became very sick..literally overnight.  
He breathing was extremely labored and I rushed him to the Emergency 
Vet.  They said he was critical ,  and didn’t think he was going to 
make it.  May be best to put him to sleep since he was Felv+ and needed 
oxygen and and his gums were pale.  That night they extracted 3 ½ cups of 
fluid from his lungs.  Thank goodness, because that saved his life.  
In the morning we transferred him to our regular vet and our vet thought it 
was his heart.  He was right.  The ultrasound showed a huge mass 
tumor at the base of his heart.   The vet wasn’t sure how much time 
Prancer had, however, he said it might be a day or week,  depending on 
how much fluid built up in his lung area.  Within 4 days, the fluid was 
back and I could not have him suffer as I lost my Dad to the the suffering of 
congestive heart failure (with build up of fluid in the lungs).  


So, my vet 
believes that Interferon might have helped Prancer over the years, since in 
all his years in practice,  they have not seen a cat like Prancer, great 
health  for 9 ½ years, but be Felv +.  

Has anyone 
in this group used Interferon with their cats and what is the typical avg span 
life for Felv+ cats?  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

2012-10-06 Thread molveywda
Also, if female cats continually go into heat but not bred they can develop a 
very dangerous condition.  It's called pyrometra something or another.  
Long time ago since my friend's cat got it so I'm not positive about the name.  
But it causes a very serious infection and can kill them if not caught.  Her 
cat had to have an emergency spay and the vet had to basically scrape her 
insides to clean out all the infection.  Very painful for the cat.

Cats are reproductively different than us so maybe that's why.  They do not 
drop their egg until they are stimulated (sex).  It may be that's why the 
male's penis has the barbs on it - to stimulate the female to drop the egg, 
thereby almost 100% guaranteeing fertilization.  Yes, I read too much.  Anyway, 
so if she's not getting booty then what happens to the egg?  I don't remember 
what I read about that but I think that's part of why they can develop this 
condition/infection.

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Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
Date: Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:05 pm
Tubal ligations are even dangerous in human females.  They can open up, get 
infected, cause blockages, even lead to tubal pregnancies although I don't know 
exactly how that would happen.  I worked in a medical office for 12 years and 
tubals never seemed to work as advertised. Most women complained of pain long 
afterwards, cramping, even bleeding. In addition, tubal ligation does nothing 
to protect from breast cancer.  Cats are very prone to mammary cancer so 
spaying would be the best prevention for that terrible menace to cat health.  
One of my cats had been diagnosed as borderline diabetic. Since Cookie was 
going to be an indoor-only cat, the vet recommended leaving her intact, not 
spaying.  She was an older cat, went into heat about 3 times in my house and 
then gave it up as a bad idea.  But she
still had her hormone glands intact.  About 5 years after I took her in, I 
noticed that her belly fur was wet and clumpy and that her nipples had turned 
dark brown.  Her appetite was also failing and she actually was allowing me to 
touch her, she was so weak.  I took her to the vet.  He diagnosed multiple 
tumors in her mammary glands.  Hormones are NOT the fountain of youth for a 
cat. They do nothing for the immune system that good care, good food and good 
supplements can't do.  In addition, tubal ligation would do nothing to relieve 
the cat from the distress of going into heat when breeding season comes around. 
 That's very stressful especially when the cat is not going to be bred.  Same 
with vasectomy for a male cat.  You would have a howling, spraying cat pacing 
around the house or running out to bite and fight although he could not make a 
female pregnant.  Sometimes vasectomies reverse themselves so
the cat might end up being fertile after all.  It happens in humans quite 
often.  In cats, it still exposes them to the dangers of mating, including 
contracting FIV and FeLv.

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If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to 
free up cage space.

Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by 
implementing the No Kill Equation: 
http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/


Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: 
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Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-05 Thread molveywda
Yep, both candidates are politicians and that already makes them suspect.  It 
seems time spent in a government leadership position tends to have a negative 
effect on all of them.  Plus most of what we hear about them and their policies 
is spin and the truth never fully comes out.  Hard to make a decision based on 
half truths and sound bites.  Sometimes it's like throwing darts in the dark.  
I'm not an economist so even if I had all the details of their plans I wouldn't 
understand it fully.   I'm with you, sometimes you just choose the lesser of 
two evils and hope for the best.  We vote and then we come home and take care 
of our wonderful furry children and enjoy their simplicity.  

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Date: Thu, Oct 4, 2012 3:09 pm


Thanks, Maureen. That was well stated  you made very valid points. Thanks for 
your opinion :). By the way, I don't care for either candidate. All politicians 
lie  I feel like I have to vote for the lesser of two evils, in my opinion.

Thanks again, Maureen!

L
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Re: [Felvtalk] President

2012-10-05 Thread molveywda
Oh, sorry I haven't been involved with the list and FeLV kitties in a bit.  
I've lost several cats this year and haven't felt like dealing with more sad 
stories.  A couple of those cats I lost were strays that didn't live with me 
but it still broke my heart to lose them.  The last one I lost was a two year 
old that lived with me.  He was one of my special fur babies.  I didn't lose 
him to FeLV though.  It was cardiomyopathy and he went quicker than my FeLV 
kitties.  No way to save him because there were no symptoms until it was too 
late.   

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Thanks, Maureen. That was well stated  you made very valid points. Thanks for 
your opinion :). By the way, I don't care for either candidate. All politicians 
lie  I feel like I have to vote for the lesser of two evils, in my opinion.

Thanks again, Maureen!

L
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Re: [Felvtalk] Asking For Advice Again

2012-10-05 Thread molveywda
Just make sure to get her nausea taken care of.  You hate to stimulate her 
appetite but she still won't eat because she's nauseous.  Then she's hungry and 
nauseated.

You can also try Pepcid.  Just regular not Pepcid AC.   I think the anti-nausea 
meds are better but you can try that until you get them.  Pepcid is good if 
they have a lot of stomach acid too.  Cats in kidney failure tend to have that 
problem as well as nausea.

This year I've had to watch a couple cats waste away and it is a horrible 
feeling.  If you get the nausea taken care of you can assist feed her.  But 
that's something you have to decide.  Cats in kidney failure go through periods 
here and there where they don't want to eat.  Sometimes they actually get out 
of the routine of eating.  You can assist feed to get them over the hump.  
However, since Susie Q has cancer it is a different ball game.  And if the 
cancer has already comprised her liver then it may not help her to assist feed. 
 But first try the nausea meds and appetite stimulants and go from there.



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Subject: [Felvtalk] Asking For Advice Again
Date: Fri, Oct 5, 2012 6:26 pm
Oh, I didn't even think of that, I have used it for my other cats for that very 
thing and forgot all about it THANKS :)   I did the same thing with Miller, put 
him through horrible chemo, made his last few weeks here miserable and within 
three weeks of the first chemo treatment, he was gone :(  I vowed then that I 
would never do that again.  That is why I was asking what others do to make 
their furbabies comfortable in the end.  Miller was so miserable and I just 
made it worse and I will never forgive myself for that :(
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:17:28 -0700
From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Asking For Advice Again

Certain antihistamines that are given to cats are also an appetite 
stimulant.  Chlorpheneramine is one.  I think it's a little yellow pill 
if I remember correctly.  It's better than giving cortisone which also 
increases appetite but I believe would be contraindicated for a cat who 
has a malignant tumor.  You need to ask your vet about this.  It has no 
harmful side effects as far as I can remember.  I gave it to a cat who 
had terminal salivary gland cancer and it kept her eating right up until
the end, that and anti- nausea drugs because she had had a chemo pill 
every week for several months to stop the growth of the tumor. I have 
since decided that that treatment, the chemo pill was a waste of $2000. 
Another cat who had a tumor in a different location lived just about as
long as Baby Face,
without getting chemo. Chemo is also very hard on other organs, causing
diarrhea, fur loss and exhaustion.

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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Transmittal via fleas

2012-07-19 Thread molveywda
I missed most of this thread so I'm sorry if I'm repeating something you guys 
know are have already said, but regarding FIV test coming up positive - the 
ELISA test looks for the antibodies to FIV, not the virus itself (which I 
thought was odd considering the ELISA test does look for small fragments of the 
actual FeLV virus, not antibodies).  So if a kitten's combo test is positive 
for FIV it just means he's got antibodies and he probably got those from his 
mother through her milk.  Normally mother cats don't bite their kittens hard 
enough to spread the actual virus so I've also never had a kitten with FIV.  If 
the combo test shows positive then usually it will turn negative after the 
mother's  antibodies are out of his system.

Just wanted to throw out that little tidbit of info I got from my vet in case 
it helps.

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Subject: [Felvtalk] FW:  Transmittal via fleas
Date: Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:48 pm
The FeLV kitten that I had didn’t make it past 3 months….it was really sad for 
Nemo to be isolated from all the cats, especially at such a young age…he 
started having a serious seizure and it was the end.One of the adult cats was 
adopted, had a really bad episode after his move from the stress, but is doing 
really well again.  His new “mom” is a veterinarian.  The other one died from 
renal failure – he was a lot older than we thought.Natalie From: 
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas Some kittens born to FeLv+ 
mothers do turn negative but it's more likely that an adult who contracted the 
disease from another adult will fight it off and turn negative, like my cats 
Moses and Percy.  Percy is FIV+ though.  He's a young street fighter rescued in 
terrible condition.  I'm really happy he fought off the FeLv.  I have an FIV+ 
area for my little colony of positives so no problem.  Percy is going to join 
them this week.  He's all shiny and fat now. The bad news about FeLv kittens is 
that most of them never make it to adulthood.  The ones who do will live for 
about 2 years.  Taco and Smooch were rescued as adults already.  They were 
FeLv+.  They lived with me for about 2 years.  They were buddies, from 
different street situations but they bonded nicely the last year of their 
lives. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Transmittal via fleas In the 20 years of cat rescue, 
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if tested, there was absolutely no sign of it by age 3 months, although some 
vets say that it could be up to 6 months. They shed the virus quite rapidly as 
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Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

2012-05-02 Thread molveywda
finally I have a quick minute to give you guys an update.

Yesterday I took the kitten to one of those vets.  The kind  that looks at 
her symptoms and says it all  FeLV related without doing any test. He said 
she's not going to live long and didn't want to waste the humane society's 
money by doing any tests.  I told him not to worry about it because I was 
paying for the test and I wanted him to do blood work .  So he did and she 
doesn't have anemia but her protein levels are elevated which suggests FIP, as 
I suspected .  She had a fever so I ask him to give her sub q fluids .  I have 
no idea why I had to ask for fluids and he didn't suggest it.  I guess because 
he just wanted me to let her die.  Another vet on my blacklist.   I guess it's 
just another cat to him.  Won't be seeing that SOB again.

It was important for me to get a diagnosis of FIP because I've been in contact 
with a vet at the university of  TN that is going to let me try a new drug for 
the dry form  of FIP.  It's not on the market yet but the clinical trials look 
good.  I don't know if I will get the drug in time to make a difference for my 
kitten but it's worth a try.  The drug is actually an immune stimulant called 
polyprenyl immunostimulant.  Since my kitten has FeLV in addition to FIP it may 
not help.  But she's going to die anyway so why not try it.

She's feeling better now that her fever is gone but she's still wobbly on her 
hind legs and now the other eye has uveitis.   I don't know how much longer she 
has.  I'm so depressed about it, but I'm giving her lots of attention and 
treats.

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Subject: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Tue, May 1, 2012 9:44 pm


Maureen,

How is she today? Any updates?

Best wishes!
Lynda
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 My Shadow was not FELv, he had a blood clot on his spine.  I let him out  
 one morning and when i wnet to check on all of my cats, he could not get  
 up.  He had been on the deck and the sun got hot, so he had drug himself  
 into the shade.  When I tried to pick him up, he screamed.  We took him to  
 Missouri Universtiy Vet hosp about 3 hours away.  They did and MRI and all  
 kinds of tests.  We finally let him go because he was so old and would not  
 have been able to make it thru surgery.

  Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 I've had several FelV positive kittens who have been exactly like
 this..Less playful than others their age, and finally wobbly
 in the back legs then complete loss of the use of the back legs.

 Lorrie


 On 04-28, molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:
 I  have  a  FeLV kitten that I'm fostering.  She's six or seven   
  months
 old.   She's the one I emailed about a couple months ago with   
  uveitis.
  The  uveitis  never  has completely cleared up.  But now I'm not   
  sure
 what's  going  on.   Her  back  legs are kind of wobbly.  It's not   
  bad
 enough  that  my husband has noticed yet, but I can see it.  It's   
  like
 she's  slightly drunk.  She's walking okay with the front legs but   
  her
 back  legs  give  way a little or something when she's walking.   
  She's
 eating  and going to the bathroom.  She doesn't run around and play  
   as
 much  as  the  other cats do, but never really has.  She's just a   
  real
 mellow and loving kitten and I just thought that must be why she's   
  not
 as  playful.   I'm not sure though.  She's not growing a lot too.   
  The
 other kitten her age, not related, has grown much faster than she   
  has.
 So  any  ideas?  Why do you guys think she's started getting wobbly  
   in
 the back legs.  She can still jump on things but not as sure-footed  
   as
 the  others.  I don't know if her muscles are getting weak or if   
  she's
 anemic or what.  A couple months ago her bloodwork at the vet's   
  office
 was  okay.   I  assume this is FeLV related but before I go to the   
  vet
 I'd like to be prepared and have some ideas of what's going on.
 Maureen

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Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

2012-05-01 Thread molveywda
Yeah, got some updates but I'm too tired to explain.  I'll write back in the 
morning.  It does look like it's the dry form of FIP.  Getting an experimental 
drug to try.  Anyway, more later.  Thanks for asking.

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From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Tue, May 1, 2012 9:44 pm
Maureen,

How is she today? Any updates?

Best wishes!
Lynda
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?


 My Shadow was not FELv, he had a blood clot on his spine.  I let him out  
 one morning and when i wnet to check on all of my cats, he could not get  
 up.  He had been on the deck and the sun got hot, so he had drug himself  
 into the shade.  When I tried to pick him up, he screamed.  We took him to  
 Missouri Universtiy Vet hosp about 3 hours away.  They did and MRI and all  
 kinds of tests.  We finally let him go because he was so old and would not  
 have been able to make it thru surgery.

  Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 I've had several FelV positive kittens who have been exactly like
 this..Less playful than others their age, and finally wobbly
 in the back legs then complete loss of the use of the back legs.

 Lorrie


 

 
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Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

2012-04-29 Thread molveywda
I hate to say it but I have a feeling it's FIP.  I read a lot about it last 
night and she has a lot of the symptoms of the dry form.  I'll give a few more 
details later.  It breaks my heart.

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Subject: [Felvtalk] What could it be?
Date: Sat, Apr 28, 2012 5:35 pm


I've had several FelV positive kittens who have been exactly like
this..Less playful than others their age, and finally wobbly
in the back legs then complete loss of the use of the back legs.

Lorrie


On 04-28, molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:
I  have  a  FeLV kitten that I'm fostering.  She's six or seven months
old.   She's the one I emailed about a couple months ago with uveitis.
 The  uveitis  never  has completely cleared up.  But now I'm not sure
what's  going  on.   Her  back  legs are kind of wobbly.  It's not bad
enough  that  my husband has noticed yet, but I can see it.  It's like
she's  slightly drunk.  She's walking okay with the front legs but her
back  legs  give  way a little or something when she's walking.  She's
eating  and going to the bathroom.  She doesn't run around and play as
much  as  the  other cats do, but never really has.  She's just a real
mellow and loving kitten and I just thought that must be why she's not
as  playful.   I'm not sure though.  She's not growing a lot too.  The
other kitten her age, not related, has grown much faster than she has.
So  any  ideas?  Why do you guys think she's started getting wobbly in
the back legs.  She can still jump on things but not as sure-footed as
the  others.  I don't know if her muscles are getting weak or if she's
anemic or what.  A couple months ago her bloodwork at the vet's office
was  okay.   I  assume this is FeLV related but before I go to the vet
I'd like to be prepared and have some ideas of what's going on.
Maureen

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[Felvtalk] What could it be?

2012-04-28 Thread molveywda
I have a FeLV kitten that I'm fostering.  She's six or seven months old.  She's 
the one I emailed about a couple months ago with uveitis.  The uveitis never 
has completely cleared up.  But now I'm not sure what's going on.  Her back 
legs are kind of wobbly.  It's not bad enough that my husband has noticed yet, 
but I can see it.  It's like she's slightly drunk.  She's walking okay with the 
front legs but her back legs give way a little or something when she's walking. 
 She's eating and going to the bathroom.  She doesn't run around and play as 
much as the other cats do, but never really has.  She's just a real mellow and 
loving kitten and I just thought that must be why she's not as playful.  I'm 
not sure though.  She's not growing a lot too.  The other kitten her age, not 
related, has grown much faster than she has.

So any ideas?  Why do you guys think she's started getting wobbly in the back 
legs.  She can still jump on things but not as sure-footed as the others.  I 
don't know if her muscles are getting weak or if she's anemic or what.  A 
couple months ago her bloodwork at the vet's office was okay.  I assume this is 
FeLV related but before I go to the vet I'd like to be prepared and have some 
ideas of what's going on.

Maureen


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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice

2012-03-21 Thread molveywda
She took him to the vet.  I think it was Friday.  He just said it was because 
of the FeLV.  I don't think he recommended anything but maybe because it's a 
cat in our foster system and he didn't think we would want to spend a lot of 
money on it.  I don't know for sure.  The vet did some bloodwork and said his 
liver levels were elevated.  I think the kitty ate over the weekend but the 
last couple days he stopped.  She's been assist feeding him a little.  She 
was at the store in the middle of the night the other night buying him baby 
food, sardines, tuna and anything else she thought would tempt him.  She 
finally gave up and made him eat some baby food.  Oh, he drank a little kitten 
milk but didn't want it today.  I told her to mix a/d with water or chicken 
broth because that's easy to get down them.  

The other weird thing is that now his sister won't eat.  She's not yellow or 
anything but last night and today she wouldn't eat but just laid in her 
litterbox.  My friend will be taking her to the vet tomorrow.  I'll tell her 
not to give up on them yet.  I'll tell her to make sure the vet gives both of 
them sub-q fluids.  What kind of antibiotics would you suggest?


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Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice
Date: Wed, Mar 21, 2012 10:54 pm
To build on what Natalie has written.  Jaundice is a sign of liver issues.  
Hepatic Lipidosis is cured by food.  Please tell your friend to get the kitty 
to a vet ASAP.  Time is of the essence.  She can either assist feed with a 
syringe or get an e-tube to get the calories into the kitty. It takes a real 
effort to get enought food into the kitty.  Many find it easier when using an 
e-tube.  It is not painful for the kitty.  Just makes it easier for the 
caretaker.  We say assist feed not force feed.  It is a state of mind.  You are 
assisting your cat to eat.  Please tell her to join the Feline Assisted Feeding 
group.http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ They have 
great files and will offer lots of help.  It would be better if you friend 
joined so she could benefit directly. Sharyl
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It may not be just jaundice, it could be hepatic lipidosis, which is very 
serious! Blood test is a must, and force feeding, fluids (sub-q), and 
antibiotics are required!I had a cat last summer that went down to 4.5 lbs, to 
the point where they wanted to insert a feeding tube through nose or surgically 
into stomach to which I said no, because I knew that I could force fed her 
small amounts all day long, and she would have been absolutely miserable with 
any of the two.  I mixed A-D with some hot water and meds, and used a syringe.  
Within 2 weeks, her values were tremendously improved and she made a complete 
recovery.  Hepatic lipidosis happens mostly to female cats. She was only about 
1 ½ - 2 yrs old. 
She is a very fussy eater, and I have finally found the one and only food that 
she will eat. BTW,  her prognosis was grim, and the vets were really surprised 
how I got her well in such a short time! The poor girl was through a lot, had a 
litter in the streets (only 2 survived), and we got her when she was already 
pregnant with second litter – too late to abort. From: 
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 9:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice  A friend of mine has two FeLV + cats, 
littermates about 8 months old, and one has developed jaundice.  He has lost a 
ton of weight also.  The last couple of days he doesn't want to eat although 
he's not laying around or lethargic.  Anyone had experience with this?  
Anything that can be done or is this the end for him?

Maureen

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profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
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Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!

2011-12-07 Thread molveywda
That's about as deep as my medical knowledge goes too.  My poor vet had a time 
explaining it to me.  I didn't know white blood cells are made in the bone 
marrow.  I didn't even realize something could be in your bloodstream but not 
in your white blood cells.  As much as I get annoyed with vets and doctors they 
do have to go through a lot of training to learn all this stuff.


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Date: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 5:57 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!
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That's the most easy to understand explanation I've heard yet :)

Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:


Here's how my vet friend explained things to me which will clarify a little 
about what Beth is saying about the IFA test.

The IFA test looks to see if the virus is in the white blood cells.  It's not 
a bone marrow test however, white blood cells are produced in the bone marrow, 
so if the virus is in the white blood cells then it's because it's replicating 
in the bone marrow.  If it's not replicating in the bone marrow the FeLV virus 
could still be in the bone marrow but dormant.  You wouldn't know that without 
a bone marrow test because it's just sitting there not doing anything and not 
spreading or causing problems.
 
 
So here's what the vet has told me about the all ways of testing:
 
The first screening test is the ELISA test.  The ELISA test can be performed 
two ways.  It can be done using a snap test kit in the vet's office or the 
blood sample can be sent to a lab where they do a Well test.  The well test 
is also an ELISA test that looks for small fragments of the virus in the 
bloodstream but just done a different way and uses a much larger blood sample. 
 The ELISA test that is done with a snap test kit in the vet's office is also 
called a combo test because it looks for FIV also.  Then there is the 3 way 
snap test kit which looks for FIV, FeLV and heartworms.  I think the ELISA 
test that is done in a well by sending the blood to a lab just looks for FeLV, 
not the other two.  I'm not positive though.
 
So, the ELISA test looks to see if there are small fragments of the virus in 
the blood stream.  Part of the virus could be in the bloodstream but not in 
the white blood cells.  It gets into the oral cavities and bloodstream before 
it goes into the bone marrow.  When it gets into the bone marrow it could 
start replicating and then it gets into the white blood cells.  The IFA test 
looks to see if the virus is in the white blood cells.  So from my 
understanding, the virus has to progress from the bloodstream into the bone 
marrow and replicate like Beth is saying to get into the white blood cells.  
Usually once it's starts replicating in the bone marrow and getting into the 
white blood cells the cat will not be able to fight off the virus.
 
FYI - my vet has also said that the 3 way snap test kits don't seem to be as 
reliable as the combo snap test kit.
 
So that's a very simple and basic way of explaining the different ways of 
testing and what they look at to determine what stage the virus is in as it 
spreads throughout the body.  That's my understanding and I hope it's correct.
 



Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 08:12:39 -0800
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!



The IFA tests weather the virus is replicating in the bone marrow. You can 
have a positive SNAP  a negative IFA. This does NOT mean the cat is negative. 
It just means the virus is not replicating in the bone marrow. 
Any test can be done wrong  labs can mix up donors with specimins. It happens 
with humans, it can certainly happen in our pets. 

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Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!

The IFA is not testing the bone marrow, thoughthat would be yet another
test.

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Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 9:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!

It is possible the SNAP tests were positive  an IFA was negative because
the virus had not progressed to the bone marrow. I also wonder if the SNAP
tests that were positive were done on the new 3way tests. Our shelter
stopped using them because they were not dependable.

Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com wrote:

*Very scary.. see below..*

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-15 Thread molveywda
LOL - too funny!  Thanks for a great laugh.  Except for one thing.  Instead of 
baseball bat to the butt, should be upside his head.  There must be blood or he 
won't learn his lesson!

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Date: Wed, Sep 14, 2011 5:41 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Hunters
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

You shoulda hid behind a car, strewn a few dollar bills on the ground, then
when he came over to pick them up -- BAM! -- baseball bat to the butt!
Well...bet you 'wish' you coulda!
~Bonnie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:02 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many
deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I
worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn
on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me
sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful
animals.
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Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters


 On 09-12, dot winkler wrote:
Hysterical!   L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt
and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At
least  they  are  eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so
beautiful  a creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone have
the  heart  to  kill  them?  They are graceful and grace our woods and
lands.   To  see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight.
I don't see how anyone could do it.
  
 _

 I could never kill a deer.  Many deer come to our yard, and they are 
 so beautiful.  Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them.
 It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally 
 it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected.  She still comes 
 to our house, and still keeps up with her group.  She's an amazing, 
 brave little doe and we call her Tripod.

 Lorrie


 Tripod and she
 in
 our yard

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-15 Thread molveywda
You know, sometimes it seems we are progressing because of all the animal 
welfare movements and all the laws to protect animals.  There are more and more 
people learning about abuse and taking a stand against it which is very 
encouraging.  Yet it seems that in the past it was just plain common sense, 
decency, and compassion that kept us from needing so many of those laws to 
protect the animals.  Sometimes I can't tell if people are getting worse or 
better regarding the treatment of animals.

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From: dlgegg dlg...@windstream.net
Date: Wed, Sep 14, 2011 4:49 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Hunters
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

UNFORTUNATELY, WE DO NOT SEEM TO LEARN.

 Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
 Who is it the said you can tell a lot about a society by how people in it
 treat animals.  Such disgusting cruelty.  If there is reincarnation, guess
 who's going to be the prey in their next life?  Maybe that way, they will
 learn a modicum of compassion.and slowly it will change.
 
 ~b.
 
  
 
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
 Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:36 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
 
  
 
 So do Canada geese (mate for life).  We live on a pond, and they spend a lot
 of time here.  We feed them, so they don't go on neighbors' properties,
 bothering them.  We actually recognize them every year because of certain
 markings, etc.  When one  loses a mate, they stay alone.  I'm not sure if
 they ever find another life-mate or not.
 
 I used to go to the Hegins (PA) Pigeon Shoots to protest.  It was sick.
 Families having picnics, while their menfolk shot at pigeons that had been
 confined without food and water in dark little traps for days- they were
 released, totally disoriented, in sudden bright sdaylight. They could hardly
 fly up, they were so weak.  Then these brave men would take potshots at
 them.  Some injured pigeons were able to fly off, land on roofs and fields,
 dying a slow death.  Others fell right down, flopping on the ground until
 teen boys nonchalantly sauntered over to them, swung them by their necks,
 either broke their necks, or ripped their heads off. One kid threw a
 decapitated pigeon at me.  We had a tent set up with volunteer veterinarians
 and wildlife rehabbers to treat the injured birds or euthanize them
 humanely.
 
 It was like in Roman times, a bunch of degenerate, bored, and blood lusty
 people amusing themselves.
 
 Hegins Pigeon Shoot is no more, but there are still others!
 
  
 
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 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda
 Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:29 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
 
  
 
 doves mate for life...that's what is so sad. another thing that is sad is
 people with guns chugging down the booze. No laws to protect anything from
 THAT!
 
 On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Georgetta Brickey gebr...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Your posts reminded me of something that happened 40+ years ago on our
 family farm in Central California... during dove hunting season.
  
 We did not allow hunters on our property, but when dying doves fell in our
 fields and pastures after being shot nearby, hunters would climb over our
 fences to retrieve the bloody bodies.  One afternoon the shotgun pellets

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

2011-09-15 Thread molveywda
My hero!

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Date: Thu, Sep 15, 2011 8:17 am
Subject: [Felvtalk] Hunters
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

When we lived on our 75 acre farm hunters would park on our road and
walk back into the woods.  We could hear them, but never find them,
so because they were parked where I could get to their cars I began
letting the air out of their tires!


Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)

2011-09-13 Thread molveywda
I haven't read all the literature or watched the videos about his place but I 
was under the impression that it is set up to be a sanctuary not a rescue or 
shelter type situation.  Most of his cats weren't pets but homeless cats that 
were living on the streets anyway.  So his place is probably better than living 
on the street.  Probably also has ferals that were at a pound ready to be 
executed because they're not adoptable.  He also takes in ferals that can no 
longer live at the colony location.

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Date: Sun, Sep 11, 2011 6:08 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

I thought about this too, but he might not let me bring them in the house 
because I felt guilty leaving them outside.

 Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: 
 This man has put a lot of time and effort into this! This is a wonderful 
 heartfelt endeavor. He must really love his cats. They certainly look healthy 
 to me. I applaud him! I may just marry him(-:

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On Sep 11, 2011, at 4:22 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 Check out the video in Atia's message.  I did and when I was viewing his 
 video, I checked out another from a girl who had pictures that suggested it 
 was not so good.  It was good that they get food and have houses to sleep in 
 and it is fenced, but just with a normal cyclone fence that cats and coyotes 
 cold easily get over.  And with that many cats and not much help in the 
 caring department, it is hard to see how he could keep up with who is 
 sick,hurt.  His video also said he bears most of the cost with some donations 
 to help.  I also worry about who will take over when he dies since he doesn't 
 look like a youngster.  Does he have provisions for continuing care of the 
 cats.  Also, if people take their pets to him expecting them to get the same 
 care they gave them, would they?  My guys go outside for 2 or 3 hour in the 
 day but they are inside at night and bad weather days.  The are used to 
 sleeping on my memory foam bed and me.  I do not think they would be happy 
 there.
  Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: 
 
 Seems like I read the woman in CA does have her property fenced in.  She 
 doesn't actually have as much acreage as this other guy.  She has a staff of 
 like 25 people.  I never heard that about the other guy so who knows if his 
 property is fenced in.  But it seems like he takes in ferals and homeless 
 cats who have absolutely nowhere else to go so even if it isn't an ideal 
 home situation those cats are a lot better off with him.
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 
 Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 21:21:51 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
 
 Isn't that in Florida?  All little houses; but how does one keep track of 
 them out there, and so many, how can he know who's sick?  Don't they get 
 out?  Is it all fenced in?  I had so many questions when I saw the video
 Man builds cat-sized village for homeless cats: 
 http://green.yahoo.com/blog/guest_bloggers/69/man-builds-cat-sized-village-for-homeless-cats.html
  . 
 There's also a woman in CA, I think, who has 600 cats - looks like a great 
 place.
 
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 dlg...@windstream.net
 Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 8:50 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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 I could sell my place and move there.  I only have 7 cats and if they dn't 
 get alog well with yours, I could build them an outdoor day time house.  At 
 night they could sleep in my bedroom like they do now.  I wouldn't mind 
 takin on a few more cats.  Or waht about this guy in Oregon who bought 600 
 acres of an old tree farm.  He takes in strays, unwanteds and lets the roam 
 the 600 acres.  He builds all kinds of houses for them to sleep in and 
 spends the day checking up on them and giving each one some loving.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)

2011-09-09 Thread molveywda
Lorrie - I'll pack my bags and be right up.  Living on a lake taking care of 
cats sounds awesome.  I'm 45 so hopefully will be around until all your cats 
die!  Give me driving directions!!!  I'm a CPA so can work to keep your cats in 
the lifestyle they're accustomed to living.

Ok, just kidding.  Wish I could take off sometimes.  I've got a lot of cats 
too, but unless something tragic happens hopefully I'll outlive them.  It's 
scary to think about the future though because you just don't know what will 
happen and when.

I've missed a lot of this thread so I might have missed something but if you're 
78, then you could still outlive your cats.  My Grandmother is 92 and lives in 
a small apartment on her own.  Best to make plans now of course but by the time 
you're gone who knows what the situation will be.

Tell your kids that you're leaving your house and money to them so between the 
three of them they could make room for all the cats!  Fifteen cats split three 
ways is no big deal.  Cats are pretty easy.  Tell them they could close in 
their garage or build an extra room with your money and then enclose an area of 
their yard for the cats to go in and that's all the cats would need.  Tell them 
if they don't you're writing them out of your will!


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From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
Date: Thu, Sep 8, 2011 6:54 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 On 09-08, Gloria Lane wrote:

 I'm kindly pondering how to do that. Any web sites that address
 that I wonder?

There are many cat sanctuaries listed on the web, but most are full.
Then too, many fail and become like hoarding places because they take
in too many cats to care for properly.  It is truly difficult to find
a good sanctuary, but I'll keep trying. If I knew who would take care
of my 15 cats I'd give them my house which is a lovely home in a
resort area on a lake.  It has been built around the needs of my
cats, and has three outside enclosures they can access from the
inside via cat flaps.  It is also in the woods on several acres 
with no traffic. It is a paradise for my cats, and I just wish
someone could let them continue the happy life they know and love.
I will not go to my grave and be at peace until I know my babies
are taken care of.

Lorrie
 
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  I've provided for the care of my critters (dogs and cats and
  whatever may show up) in my will.  Everything is in trust to be
  used for their care until they all leave this world.

WHO WILL HANDLE YOUR TRUST AND BE SURE YOUR CATS ARE CARED FOR?


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Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)

2011-09-09 Thread molveywda
Not all humane societies are that bad and some will take in less than perfect 
cats but you really have to look and get to know the people in the humane 
society.  See how they've handled situations before and if they take in older 
or FeLV or FIV cats when they run across them.  There are several ladies in my 
humane society that I would not have a problem letting my cats go to because 
they're awesome and as picky as I am about finding the right homes for them.  
I'm pretty lucky with my humane society.  In general they're great folks and 
really really love the animals.  I've worked with them for eight years so I 
know them all well.

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From: dlgegg dlg...@windstream.net
Date: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 12:16 am
Subject: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

I WOULDNOT GO TO HUMANE SOCIETY, ESPEIALLY IF ANY OF MY CATS ARE FELV OR FIV 
POSITIVE.  THEY WOULD PUT  THEM TO SLEEP WITHOUT EVEN TRYING TO FIND A HOME 
WILLING TO TAKE THEM.
 Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
 If  money isn't the problem, why not contact the Humane Society or another
 non-profit animal organization.  You could leave your property to the
 organization with the stipulation that your animals be cared for (and you
 could define what that means).  If you are wealthy enough, you may even
 provide a salary to a care taker.  When the animals are gone from the world,
 then the property conveys to the organization.  Thoughts being (a) they are
 organized enough to handle such a thing, (b) they are ethical enough not to
 'off the kitties' to get the 'goodies' and (c) as an organization it takes
 the worry out of finding someone because they are set up, trained and should
 be very willing to do this.  I'd talk with them (whomever you think is
 appropriate).
 For most of us, it is not just finding a trustworthy care giver, it's having
 enough money to provide for them and the cats.   If you have property (and
 other wealth) this could make all the difference for your feline family.  I
 don't know about you, but I always feel nobody loves them like I
 do...which may be true, but to ensure they're cared for is a burden
 relieved.
 ~Bonnie
 
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 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
 Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:43 PM
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 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
 
 I have provided for my cats in my will too. There is plenty of money for
 their care, but WHO WILL TAKE CARE OF THEM?  With 15 cats this is the
 problem.  Not the money.  
  .
 
   On 09-08, MaiMaiPG wrote:
 
  I've provided for the care of my critters (dogs and cats and whatever 
  may show up) in my will.  Everything is in trust to be used for their 
  care until they all leave this world.
 
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

2011-08-27 Thread molveywda
There's some group somewhere doing research on the rabies vaccination and they 
have found that kittens vaccinated still had immunity in their system four 
years later.  That's with the normal one year vaccine.  They suspect there's 
immunity up to seven years later.

I told my vet one time that if they require an animal to be vaccinated to be 
seen so then they vaccinate them during surgery or the day of the appointment 
it was stupid because it takes time for the body to develop an immunity after 
the vaccination so the vaccination done that day was useless.  It doesn't offer 
protection for the animal being seen or for animals at the clinic that day.

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From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:31 am
Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

That's just for the cash! That is so stupid and it shows what they really care 
about.

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On Aug 26, 2011, at 5:41 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 There are some really stupid vets out there.  If you bring in a sick cat
 that doesn't have an up-to-date rabies vaccine, many will insist that they
 cannot treat a cat without one, and insist on vaccinating before treating
 the sick cat.  My vet does NOT!  I know of one veterinary hospital that will
 NOT treat any cat that has never been vaccinated!
 
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 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
 Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:51 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
 
 It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having
 surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to
 vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for
 surgery.  I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery,
 but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the
 injections.  Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations
 annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to
 vaccinate again.
 
 Lorrie
 
 On 08-26, Natalie wrote:
   Anyone  who  uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they
   pump  every  possible  vaccine  into  cats...it  is  most important to
   specify  in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which
   ones you do NOT want.  My friend uses that plan because it does save a
   lot  of  moneyshe  brought  her  two  cats  in,  and  she  assumed
   incorrectly  that  they  would  get  the same vaccines as the ones she
   specified  at  the  last  time, NOT!  They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what
   elseshe  was  furious!   She  always tells them ahead of time that
   they are strictly indoor cats!
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds

2011-08-06 Thread molveywda
Actually, his name is Cotton because he's solid white.  I have a house full of 
cats.  Some are mine and some are fosters.  I've only had about five of them 
tested so far and thankfully all have tested negative for FeLV.  It's kind of 
weird but great.

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From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net
Date: Sat, Aug 6, 2011 9:11 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Wow! That IS FREAKING AMAZING!! How does that happen?

I'm so happy for you and Booger (that is my cat, Kirby's nickname!).

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Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 7:33 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Defying the Odds


 Check this out - I have an FIV positive cat living with me.  He's an older  
 gentleman that I took in a couple of years ago.  In March a two year old  
 cat of mine died and that's when we discovered she had FeLV.  She tested  
 negative as a kitten.  She and my FIV positive kitty lived together  sharing 
 food and water bowls and everything.  I think he used to groom her  too when 
 she was a kitten.  I had him, the FIV kitty, combo tested  yesterday.  Can 
 you believe that booger is negative for FeLV?  Talk about  defying the odds. 
  Doesn't make sense that an immune compromised kitty did  not contract the 
 disease.  You can't predict anything regarding this  disease.  I just 
 assumed he had gotten it from her.

 Just wanted to share my good but very confusing news.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

2011-08-04 Thread molveywda
I think I would definitely get Peaches tested.  If all your cats are indoors 
only they really don't need to be vaccinated against FeLV.  Only if there's a 
chance they could get it.  But if you're not letting them out and you're not 
fostering other cats  then there's no risk of exposure to the virus so no real 
need for a vaccination.  If all your other cats have been tested and are 
negative also then Peaches wouldn't need the vaccination either.  So as long as 
her combo test is negative, then you really don't need to worry about Nibbles.  
It's totally up to you though.  Just my thoughts. Course if Peaches' test is 
positive definitely get Nibbles up to speed.  And I think he does need to do 
the series of two shots over again if you decide to get him current like Lynda 
said.

Thanks for giving Peaches a home.  And kick that other lady in the butt for 
kicking Peaches out of the house just because she had a baby.

Maureen

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From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:52 am
Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant
apartment.  Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat.  They took Peaches
to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed.  I don't know why
the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her first.
They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had a
baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore.  That's how Peaches came to live
here.

I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead and
give Nibbles vaccinations.
I'll let you know what the vet says.
Thanks for all your help!!  It has been hard to get information about what
to do.

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote:

 Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the first
 shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it to be
 effective.

 It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination
 against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would.  I would keep
 her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and she has
 had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others are all
 current! Your a good momma to be cautious.

 I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge on
 this forum, but we are not experts :)

 Keep us posted.

 Thanks,
 L
 - Original Message - From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:17 PM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question


  We have a new addition (Peaches) to my household, making a total of 4
 cats.
 Need advice on Feline Leukemia Vaccinations.

 I have not introduced new cat (Peaches) to my other cats, as I want to
 make
 sure all are safe against feline leukemia. Peaches is up to date with all
 shots, but waiting on vet to do fecal because I saw a tapeworm.
 Peaches is sequestered to basement. Very comfy down there.

 Here's the situation:

 *Peaches* (New Cat)
 Age: 4.5 yr
 Current vaccination for Feline Leukemia, but *was never tested* before
 vaccination.
 Peaches was never tested for Feline Leukemia, she was given 1st  2nd
 feline
 leukemia in 2009.
 She also had a vaccination in 2010

 I have 3 other cats:
 All cats will stay indoors!

 *Nibbles *(got from shelter when 1 yr. old)
 Age: 2.5
 Nibbles had 1st Feline Leukemia shot 3/23/11, but not 2nd Feline Leukemia

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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-01 Thread molveywda
Can you afford to re-test them right now?  I'm just wondering if one or maybe 
both of the tests on the kitties were wrong.  I've heard those triple snap test 
are a little less reliable.

Are these adults or kittens?


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From: Ana Gutierrez ana...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:49 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Dear all,

It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza passed
away, last year
I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her.

I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
Cuernavaca, México, where I live.

Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on a
triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
City.
We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
completely sure that they are FeLV positive.

However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting
again...
We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have their
vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share
their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know that we need to
find homes that are well documented, and that intend to keep them indoors.
We would greatly appreciate any advice you could give us in order to ensure
a great life for these two little guys.

Thanks in advance,
Ana
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Re: [Felvtalk] Why do cats eat grass?

2011-07-10 Thread molveywda
LOL - I can just see all the poor lizards running around without tails.

Geez, didn't know they could get parasites from moths or crickets.  Dang.  
Beth, what can they get from moths?

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Date: Sun, Jul 10, 2011 11:44 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Why do cats eat grass?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Yes, and crickets also.  Annie killed one and this long worm thing crawled out 
of it's body.  I took it to the vet and he said it was a wire worm.  Disgusting 
looking thing, course most parisites are.  I try to feed them just before they 
go out and it seems to cut down on the desire to eat their prey.  I don't 
know about lizards and frogs.  We chase them too.  Not a lizard on our property 
that still has a tail.


 Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Be careful. They can get parasites from some bugs such as moths
 
 molvey...@hotmail.com molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 My cats will eat bugs after they are done chasing and torturing them.  I 
 assumed it was because their instinct tells them to devour their prey.  It's 
 disgusting.  I have to turn away.
 
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 From: dlgegg dlg...@windstream.net
 Date: Sat, Jul 9, 2011 3:33 pm
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Why do cats eat grass?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
 On the lighter side, I have seen them eat grasshppers and crickets.  That I 
 don't see much reason for.  They get their protein from their food and it 
 doesn't have scratchy legs to deal with.
 
 
  Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 
  
  Why Do Cats Eat Grass? 
  
  
  By Kathy Blumenstock, Animal Planet
  
  How often have you seen your cat happily chewing on blades of fresh green
  grass, and wondered why? You dish up the choicest cat food and offer 
  gourmet
  treats, yet given the chance, Kitty chows down on the lawn as if she's a
  snacking racehorse. But there's little need to fret over the appeal of the
  feline salad bar, even when she throws it all up.
  
  Grazing in the Grass
  
  The juices in grass contain folic acid, a vitamin essential to a cat's
  well-being. Folic acid, also present in the mother cat's milk, aids the
  production of oxygen in the cat's bloodstream. A folic acid deficiency may
  lead to anemia, and a young cat's growth can be stunted if she doesn't get
  enough of it. Do cats instinctively know they're deficient in folic acid 
  and
  nibble grass to right the situation? Even experts can only guess. For a cat
  who never goes outdoors, folic acid supplements are available, to be added
  to your cat's food. Your vet can advise whether your cat can benefit from
  these.
  
  That Laxative Appeal
  
  Since cats themselves can't say, experts theorize that cats eat grass as a
  natural laxative. It may add fiber and bulk to their diet, helping them 
  pass
  worms or fur through their intestinal tract. If broader-leafed varieties
  offer a laxative effect, thinner-leafed grass induces cats to vomit. But
  veterinarians stop short of declaring grass necessary. It may assist in
  clearing things out, but healthy cats are able to process and pass matter
  out without this help. Some experts believe cats eat grass to settle their
  stomachs, much as humans pop an antacid tablet. Others say cats simply like
  the texture and taste of grass, no matter what its properties do for their
  insides.
  
  Heave-Ho
  
  After munching away on grass, a short time later, cats inevitably upchuck
  those greens. Not because they're gagging on the veggie flavor. It's 
  because
  cats' systems do not have the correct enzymes to digest plant matter. By
  regurgitating grass, the cat also expels other indigestible items she may
  have eaten - which could include fur balls from grooming, or feathers and

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Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

2011-07-09 Thread molveywda
That's just not right to mention ice cream and cat poop in the same sentence!

I was kind of hoping it was the FIV but if not I need to look into it.  Thanks 
for mentioning the probiotics.  Maybe I'll try it.

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From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Date: Sat, Jul 9, 2011 9:34 am
Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

The smelly poop cat (Ophelia) is very healthy for her age - not even any
renal problems; she just doesn't assimilate the food properly - eats and
poopsshe is NOT FIV/FeLV+
Oh, YES, I DO wake up to Ophelia's aroma - and her litter box is in a
bathroom far awaypast our bathroom, a hallway.
None of our 5 FIV cats has runny poop.  I do sprinkle some
acidophilus/probiotic into their food for better digestion...however, it's
NOT working with Ophelia's - hers is sort-of Carvel ice cream consistency!

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =


I doubt she could compete with my FIV + cat.  It has actually woken me up in
the middle of the night.  It's really bad because he doesn't cover so as
soon as I get the first whiff of it I drop everything and go running to find
which litterbox he used and cover it immediately.  Even if I'm eating I put
everything down and go take care of it.  It's not like I could eat anymore
anyway!  Yuck.  Lots of times in the middle of winter I have my patio door
wide open to get the smell out.
 
He's always had runny poop too.  Think it's cause of the FIV?  I heard that
it can have that effect on them.  But then I wondered if it's something
else.  Do any of you guys have FIV + cats that almost always have runny
poops?


I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain
 

 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 19:36:48 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
 
 We have an almost 19 yr old cat - I swear, I should market the smell of
her
 poop: It could raise the dead! It is so potent, that I wait at night until
 she makes one or two before I go to bed.I bet she could win the
 International smelliest poop contest!
 
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 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
 Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 6:30 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =
 
 
 Maybe your cat's poop doesn't stink! Maybe he's too good to have smelly
 poop! His name is Sugar after all.
 
 Just kidding. I can't imagine any cat not having smelly poop. Geez,
 couldn't believe the difference between my cat and my dog when I got my
 first cat about 6 or 7 years ago.
 
 It's funny how there are so many different experiences with the different
 kinds of litter. I guess that's why there are so many choices. It gets so
 confusing though.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

2011-07-09 Thread molveywda
A few years back I had to euthanize a kitty that had FIP.  He did have fluid in 
his lungs but it did not come out when he was euthanised so if Dexter had fluid 
come out it doesn't mean that he for sure had it in his lungs.  It's kind of 
weird how some release bodily fluids when they die and some don't.  I found a 
dead possum in the road that had poop beside him and then I had a foster kitten 
die that did pee when she left her body.  So I've seen them release fluids and 
not do it.  When my FeLV kitty died in the vet's office in March she had blood 
in her chest and couldn't breath but when she died on the table right in front 
of me she didn't release any fluids nor did blood come out of her nose or 
mouth.  Oh crap, now that I'm thinking about her I'm starting to cry again.  
Thought I was done with tears from that experience.  Man, dealing with animals 
can really hurt.



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From: dlgegg dlg...@windstream.net
Date: Sat, Jul 9, 2011 3:49 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Dexter
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com


The fluids escaping is a normal thing.  This happened wen my father passed and 
he was not moved.  This is a part of life and I would not miss being there for 
hiim just because it made it hard for me.  Our thoughts must be with our loved 
ones, not ourselves, no matter how hard it is.  Knowing that they did not 
suffer alone, that they knew someone cared and loved them is more important to 
me.  It is important to me that their last memories are that someone loved them 
enough.
 Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: 
 Natalie, I have never had this experience either when one of my furbabies
 has passed -- but I haven't picked them up or moved them around, perhaps
 this is just a gravity issue. I work for the county Medical Examiner, and I
 can attest that more often than not, there is some sort of fluid that
 escapes when a person dies. Could be mucus, urine, whatever might seek its
 own level when all the muscles relax. In Dexter's case, I'm guessing it was
 fluid that was building up somewhere, but that doesn't necessarily mean it
 was making him suffer. I'm sorry that was the last thing you saw happen with
 him and it bothered you, but please don't let it make you feel guilty. It's
 natural.
 
 Diane R.
 
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 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 5:47 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
 
 I know that when an animal or human being dies, this is supposed to happen -
 but in all the years and all the euthanasia I had to have administered,
 always holding the animals (cats and dogs), and then staying with them for
 about 15 minutes (our vet allows everyone to be alone with them) - it has
 NEVER happened, yet! I wonder if that's unusual? Natalie
 
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 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 6:05 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter
 
 It is natural for a body to release fluids and solids as the soul leaves it.
 This is true with animals and with people.  It is not a sign of pain.  It is
 a sign of muscle relaxation.  This is one reason a vet may wrap a body in
 plastic.  I never, ever, never have or will leave a friend to leave this
 world without me holding him/her and this happens.  It also happens in
 natural deaths.  Don't ask about releases when a person commits suicide or
 even is murdered.  It can be awful if a family member discovers the body.
 This, again, is not a sign of pain.
 On Jul 6, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Ben Williams wrote:
 
  Thanks so much, everyone.  It's been a really hard day for us and I'm
  haunted by seeing Dexter this morning struggling so hard to live.   
  You've
  all been so wonderful and your kind comments have really helped today 
  - if anything, we are realizing even more now just how much we love 
  that little boy.  He was so special to us.
 
   If I may, I have a question regarding Euthanasia for those of you who 
  have been through this before - for those of you who are squeamish, 
  please just skip this one:
 
  Dexter passed peacefully when Dr. Cantrell administered the euthanasia 
  this morning.  He let out a small sigh when the initial sedative was 
  injected and silently slipped away when the final injection was made.  
  A few minutes later, as we were still petting him, a fair amount of 
  yellow, clear liquid came out of his mouth and nose.  I assume this 
  was fluid that had started to
  collect in his lungs, perhaps part of the jaundice from his liver?   
  I don't
  know - I just can't stand the idea that he was in severe pain for a 
  while there and that, perhaps, we put him through it.  He had a chest 
  X- ray on


Re: [Felvtalk] Why do cats eat grass?

2011-07-09 Thread molveywda
My cats will eat bugs after they are done chasing and torturing them.  I 
assumed it was because their instinct tells them to devour their prey.  It's 
disgusting.  I have to turn away.

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From: dlgegg dlg...@windstream.net
Date: Sat, Jul 9, 2011 3:33 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Why do cats eat grass?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

On the lighter side, I have seen them eat grasshppers and crickets.  That I 
don't see much reason for.  They get their protein from their food and it 
doesn't have scratchy legs to deal with.


 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
   
 
 Why Do Cats Eat Grass? 
 
 
 By Kathy Blumenstock, Animal Planet
 
 How often have you seen your cat happily chewing on blades of fresh green
 grass, and wondered why? You dish up the choicest cat food and offer gourmet
 treats, yet given the chance, Kitty chows down on the lawn as if she's a
 snacking racehorse. But there's little need to fret over the appeal of the
 feline salad bar, even when she throws it all up.
 
 Grazing in the Grass
 
 The juices in grass contain folic acid, a vitamin essential to a cat's
 well-being. Folic acid, also present in the mother cat's milk, aids the
 production of oxygen in the cat's bloodstream. A folic acid deficiency may
 lead to anemia, and a young cat's growth can be stunted if she doesn't get
 enough of it. Do cats instinctively know they're deficient in folic acid and
 nibble grass to right the situation? Even experts can only guess. For a cat
 who never goes outdoors, folic acid supplements are available, to be added
 to your cat's food. Your vet can advise whether your cat can benefit from
 these.
 
 That Laxative Appeal
 
 Since cats themselves can't say, experts theorize that cats eat grass as a
 natural laxative. It may add fiber and bulk to their diet, helping them pass
 worms or fur through their intestinal tract. If broader-leafed varieties
 offer a laxative effect, thinner-leafed grass induces cats to vomit. But
 veterinarians stop short of declaring grass necessary. It may assist in
 clearing things out, but healthy cats are able to process and pass matter
 out without this help. Some experts believe cats eat grass to settle their
 stomachs, much as humans pop an antacid tablet. Others say cats simply like
 the texture and taste of grass, no matter what its properties do for their
 insides.
 
 Heave-Ho
 
 After munching away on grass, a short time later, cats inevitably upchuck
 those greens. Not because they're gagging on the veggie flavor. It's because
 cats' systems do not have the correct enzymes to digest plant matter. By
 regurgitating grass, the cat also expels other indigestible items she may
 have eaten - which could include fur balls from grooming, or feathers and
 bones from any prey she has consumed. Clearing her digestive tract this way
 is healthy for the cat. It alleviates any feeling of discomfort, even if the
 process, and its end-products, may repulse her owner. So don't punish your
 cat for upchucking!
 
 Healthy Habit or Dangerous Delicacy?
 
 While eating grass may seem unappealing to you, many cats love it and it's
 not generally harmful to them. They rarely eat more than occasional small
 amounts, but if yours eats it daily or in large amounts, that could indicate
 intestinal distress that should be addressed by your vet. If your cat is an
 indoor-outdoor pet, supervise her grazing when you take her outside. Keep
 her away from grass or plants that have been chemically treated and always
 use pet-friendly lawn treatment or fertilizers. If your cat is outside most
 of the time, she could ingest toxic, pesticide-tainted grass - another good
 reason to keep your cat indoors
 http://www.care2.com/greenliving/bringing-an-outdoor-cat-inside.html .
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite

2011-06-04 Thread molveywda
Yes.  Go get a tetanus shot if you haven't had one in the last ten years.  It's 
just a safety precaution, but my Doc fussed at me recently for not doing it 
after I got bit.  Be careful about giving him too much info about the cat.  
Tell him it was a friend's cat.  Sometimes the Docs will say you need to report 
it in case the animal has rabies.  Don't do it.  You'll be forced to take her 
to Animal Control so they can hold her for ten days to make sure she doesn't 
have rabies.  Just tell him you were holding your friend's indoor only cat when 
you got bit and that you're not giving him your friend's name because she lives 
out of state.  Yes, I'm paranoid but I've seen it happen.

The doc may want to prescribe you some antibiotics just in case.  Probably 
wouldn't hurt to take them.  If you washed your hand really good immediately 
after the bite you should be okay even though it will hurt for a couple of 
days.  It probably won't get infected, but it's easier to take antibiotics for 
a couple of weeks as a precaution versus trying to deal with it after it became 
infected.  But on Monday I'd recommend going to the doc.  You can also get a 
tetanus shot at the health department but I was concerned they'd try to make me 
report the bite.  Plus, it was more expensive than going to my doc and just 
paying the co-pay.

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From: Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, Jun 4, 2011 9:07 am
Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Last night I had Amber in my lap upstairs. I am trying to get her use to seeing
the other cats and use to the upstairs life. I had the IFA test performed by
another vet and will hear from it next week. I am being optimistic so I wanted
to get a head start on getting her acclamated. My youngest cat Moses decided to
suddenly jump in my lap with her and Amber freaked out! In the process of
holding on to her she bit me very hard on my hand. It hurt so bad and still
does. It is red and slightly swollen. My husband thinks I am being paranoid
about it, but I had a friend who almost lost his arm due to infection from a cat
bite. Should I visit the doctor??
 Jannes
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite

2011-06-04 Thread molveywda
Oh, the red and swollen and pain is normal.  When I got bit a couple months ago 
I didn't think it was that bad at first.  But then it hurt like hell for a few 
days.  Don't panic about it but I'd still go to the doc on Monday.

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From: Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, Jun 4, 2011 9:07 am
Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat Bite
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Last night I had Amber in my lap upstairs. I am trying to get her use to seeing
the other cats and use to the upstairs life. I had the IFA test performed by
another vet and will hear from it next week. I am being optimistic so I wanted
to get a head start on getting her acclamated. My youngest cat Moses decided to
suddenly jump in my lap with her and Amber freaked out! In the process of
holding on to her she bit me very hard on my hand. It hurt so bad and still
does. It is red and slightly swollen. My husband thinks I am being paranoid
about it, but I had a friend who almost lost his arm due to infection from a cat
bite. Should I visit the doctor??
 Jannes
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

2011-06-01 Thread molveywda
Yeah, Revolution for dogs uses the same insecticide as Revolution for cats.  
The only thing is that you have to do the math carefully because the 
insecticide is more concentrated in the dog formulation.  For example, one ml 
of the dog Revolution has more of the insecticide than one ml of the cat 
formulation.  So even though the amount of liquid is the same, the formulations 
are different.  There are more milligrams of the chemical per ml for the dog 
stuff than the cat.

It can all be rather confusing so you definitely have to do your research 
before taking chances with flea meds since some are toxic.  Like Biospot for 
instance.  It's fine for dogs I think but even the cat version has one of the 
same insecticides as the dog formulation and that particular chemical is toxic 
to cats.  It's pyrethrins (sp?).  I don't know why they won't change the 
formulation for cats so it's safe.  So in that case both formulations, dog and 
cat, are toxic to cats.  It's crazy

I've got a cat that occasionally gets a bald spot from the Revolution too.  Not 
every time I give it to him but sometimes so I started giving him Frontline.


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From: Beth Noren maxgoodb...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, Jun 1, 2011 1:21 am
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Many dog products are extremely dangerous for cats, but at least the
last time that I ordered, Revolution used the same formula for both
dogs and cats.  I have used the large dog tube many times on my cats.
Like Lynda, I have a couple of cats that lose their fur at the
application site, so I usually don't give it to them.  The Revolution
website claims that hair loss is due to the cat over grooming the
area, which is baloney, IMHO, as I place it in a pretty difficult to
reach spot on the neck, and I have never seen them or any other cat
licking those spots.  It looks more like a crusted over burn to me.

Beth N.

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:
 The Revolution that I have is 15mg for puppies or kittens 5 lbs or less. It
 works quick and is effective. However, one of my cats loses his fur at the
 site of application so I have discontinued it. It did work well enough that
 he nor the house has fleas.

 Lynda
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 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth


 I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for dogs
 on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember watching
 an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal Planet where a
 cat died because someone used a flea product intended for dogs on it. So
 *please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet first
 about adjusting the dosage.

 Cindy  Angel Jackpot

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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV in Bone Marrow not in Blood

2011-05-30 Thread molveywda
From my reading and limited understanding I will answer your questions.  Just 
don't take it as the gospel.

If the virus is in the bone marrow but not the blood it's referred to as being 
dormant.  Your kitty cannot pass it to other kitties as long as it stays 
dormant.  One book I read did say that many times cats that contract the virus 
but put it into dormancy will actually be able to extinguish the virus at some 
point.  So it is possible that your kitty could one day be free of it totally.  
If she is not able to completely extinguish the virus it is definitely possible 
that it never gets into her blood or white blood cells.  The reading made it 
seem like as long as the virus stays dormant then it should never cause 
problems.  However, it can turn viremic which means it gets into her blood.  
Sometimes stress and other illnesses can activate the virus.  But, whether it 
causes any problems at that point is a coin toss.  I've heard of cats living 
into their  mid to late teens even with the active virus so who knows.  It's so 
hard to predict how each cat's immune system will deal with the virus.

You are very lucky that even though she contracted the virus as a kitten that 
she was able to put it into dormancy.  Many kittens that get it will die young. 
 Maybe she will be one of those that will eventually get rid of the virus 
completely since her immune system was stronger than most kittens.

So all that just to say who the heck knows what will happen.  It's so 
unpredictable.  You had the IFA test done too didn't you? 

As far as the interferon goes, I have a friend who believes in it and gives it 
to her FIV and FeLV kitties every day and has for years.  She gets it from a 
pharmacy that compounds it and puts it into a chicken flavored liquid that she 
gives to them.  I don't know if you need it or not if your cat has put the 
virus into dormancy but I wouldn't think it would hurt her to take it.  I think 
it is just some kind of super charged immune system booster.  Not sure though.

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From: sharon Fazio sharon.annfa...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, May 28, 2011 8:29 am
Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV in Bone Marrow not in Blood
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

My 1 year kitten was diagnosed with FeLV back in Oct.  She has never tested 
positive with either blood test, only with bone marrow aspiration after she got 
real sick at 20 weeks of age.  As of now she is  showing no signs of FeLV, just 
a low normal blood test. To look at her you would and the way she plays you 
would not even know she had FeLV. 

Questions are: Can a cat clear FeLV from the bone marrow?  Could FeLV just stay 
in the bone marrow and never go to her blood? Can a cat expect to live a long 
life as long as the FeLV never moves from the bone marrow?  If she stays well 
should we think about getting another bone marrow aspiration since the FeLV 
never been in the blood?

Right now she on interferon 1 week on 1 week off.  She off all other drug as 
she doing so well.  Vet does not want to take her off the interferon ever.  

Thank you,
Sharon
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Re: [Felvtalk] Your Opinion would be GREATLY appreciated

2011-05-30 Thread molveywda
I've heard of the ELISA occasionally giving a false negative, but it is rare 
and not nearly as likely as getting a false positive.  It's more likely that 
the first ELISA test was wrong and gave you a false positive and this second 
ELISA test showing the negative is correct.  But it might mean she just 
extinguished the virus in the time between the two tests.

From what I understand, if the ELISA is negative then the IFA has to be 
negative.  That's assuming both test were done correctly.  But, since there is 
room for error I think either getting a second ELISA test or an IFA test will 
make you feel a lot better so it is probably worth the money to get one of 
those test done as a confirmation.  

Of course, assuming the first ELISA test which gave you a positive was correct, 
then she may still have the virus but put it into dormancy.  If so, then she 
can't pass it to your cats because it is in the bone marrow only and not in the 
bloodstream or saliva so they will still be safe.  If it's dormant you will not 
know because both the ELISA and the IFA will be negative.  A bone marrow test 
is the only way to know if it is dormant.

If it were me I think I'd have either a second ELISA or an IFA test just to 
have additional confirmation and after that don't worry about it and let her 
meet the rest of the family. A second ELISA test would be good enough but since 
the IFA test doesn't cost that much more than the ELISA you might feel better 
doing that one.  Either way I bet they will both be negative.

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From: Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, May 30, 2011 7:53 am
Subject: [Felvtalk] Your Opinion would be GREATLY appreciated
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Natalie, I have been wondering so many things. In the beginning I doubted that
Amber would be able to fight off the virus in the pitiful condition she was in.
I was surprised when she tested negative!
I also read that sometimes they can test negative by IFA but the viurs could
still be just laying wait ready to reappear in the future. Sometimes I think you
can read too much. Who knows what to believe!!
Amber is so full of enery and looks really good. She still weights only 6..8 
lbs.
It is had to believe she has only gained an eight of a lb in three months but
her ribs don't show anymore. I also find it puzzling that she has not come in
heat yet. She may have already been spayed?? The vet guesses her to be approx 1
year old.
I know some folks mix their cats and don't worry but I can't help being
concerned about it.
 Jannes





From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sun, May 29, 2011 4:19:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Your Opinion would be GREATLY appreciated

I wonder if extreme stress, bad diet, etc. can cause false positives.
In the first year (1992)that I trapped cats for our rescue group, an adult
cat tested positive for FeLV.  Three months later, she was negative!

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 12:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Your Opinion would be GREATLY appreciated

I am so releived she tested negative. I think maybe I have read too
much sometimes. All the upstairs cats have been vaccinated against felv so
that
helps even though I know it is not 100. I am going to think about this
today
and view all the opinions. Thanks!
 Jannes




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Re: [Felvtalk] Your Opinion would be GREATLY appreciated

2011-05-30 Thread molveywda
Oh, just read this email.  Yes, if the IFA is negative she could have the virus 
and put it into dormancy, like I mentioned in the other email.  And it is 
possible that the virus can re-activate.  But, who knows.  And not to be 
negative, but by then your other kitties may have gone on to Heaven so you 
wouldn't have to worry about them catching it at that point.  It's so 
frustrating.  Matter of fact, unless your other kitties have had a bone marrow 
test, they could also have the virus.  That's the really scary thing - that 
stupid virus could be in lots of our cats and we would never know.  Anyway, 
back to Amber, yes it could re-activate.  But it's hard to make decisions on 
possibilities.  Like I said, such a frustrating disease.

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From: Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, May 30, 2011 7:53 am
Subject: [Felvtalk] Your Opinion would be GREATLY appreciated
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Natalie, I have been wondering so many things. In the beginning I doubted that
Amber would be able to fight off the virus in the pitiful condition she was in.
I was surprised when she tested negative!
I also read that sometimes they can test negative by IFA but the viurs could
still be just laying wait ready to reappear in the future. Sometimes I think you
can read too much. Who knows what to believe!!
Amber is so full of enery and looks really good. She still weights only 6..8 
lbs.
It is had to believe she has only gained an eight of a lb in three months but
her ribs don't show anymore. I also find it puzzling that she has not come in
heat yet. She may have already been spayed?? The vet guesses her to be approx 1
year old.
I know some folks mix their cats and don't worry but I can't help being
concerned about it.
 Jannes





From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sun, May 29, 2011 4:19:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Your Opinion would be GREATLY appreciated

I wonder if extreme stress, bad diet, etc. can cause false positives.
In the first year (1992)that I trapped cats for our rescue group, an adult
cat tested positive for FeLV.  Three months later, she was negative!

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 12:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Your Opinion would be GREATLY appreciated

I am so releived she tested negative. I think maybe I have read too
much sometimes. All the upstairs cats have been vaccinated against felv so
that
helps even though I know it is not 100. I am going to think about this
today
and view all the opinions. Thanks!
 Jannes




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