Re: [Felvtalk] possible pos. BIG cat looking for forever home

2012-11-20 Thread tamara stickler
No worries Kat, everybody has a bad day from time to time...esp. those of us 
who deal with enough unthinking pet owners that we have a short trigger - 
always expecting another one to come calling..-.or are afraid of being lumped 
in w/them.
 
Keep up the good work  have a nice Thanksgiving!  ;-)
 
T

--- On Mon, 11/19/12, Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com wrote:


From: Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] possible pos. BIG cat looking for forever home
To: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, November 19, 2012, 3:50 PM


You put that very well, and I did not mean to get in your face. I certainly 
understand,and I probably had no right to be so accusatory, but since you are 
in rescue, as well, you must understand the multitude of people who re 
clueless, in many respects, and I apologize for upsetting you.  I understand 
what you are saying, now.  Not that it is your duty to explain anything to me.  
Still, I appreciate the time you took to spell all of that out and put my 
little mind at ease.

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[Felvtalk] possible pos. BIG cat looking for forever home

2012-11-15 Thread tamara stickler
Hello All,
 
I haven't posted for oh - seven years or so, not since I placed Simms with 
Anne.  But, I've recently pulled another dumped cat from the streets.  We are 
having him tested tonight to see if he is positive or negative - but something 
tells me the test might come back as a positive.  
 
I have a home lined up for him if he is clear - but if he does have felv I will 
need to either rehome or have him put down.  (I don't have even an alcove in my 
small appt. that I can put him in at the moment - positive or no   the woman 
who agreed to foster him for a few days will not do so if he tests positive.)  
Currently I am trying to find another foster or home - just in case. 
 
He's fairly young - under 2yrs.  I would say.  Sterling silver tabby - a BIG 
guy - a bit underweight for his bone structure, he still weighs in around 14 
lbs., short-haired.  Scared but not feral - sought out humans and was a regular 
at the ground level windows of condos housing other cats in the neighborhood.  
 
He has his claws, but doesn't seem to be a great hunter - he has been seen 
sitting-dozing under one neighbor's bird feeder amongst squirrels and birds on 
several occasions.
 
I'm in Maryland - but am willing to transport him for the right home.
 
If anyone is even a little interested please let me know.  Thanks!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

2012-08-24 Thread tamara stickler
Sounds like my 9lb. teenage calico!  The vet techs break into tears  break out 
the raccoon handling gloves whenever we get to the office.   (this from a LAP 
CAT - unless of course you try to administer to her!)

They REALLY make it difficult to help them sometimes don't they!

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From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 11:07 PM




I'm filing it in my Important Mail folder.  I think Romeo would kill me half 
way through the protocol though.  But I could try.


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!










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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

2012-08-23 Thread tamara stickler
Natalie,
 
This isn't holistic, but my parent's cat was suffering terribly from stomatitis 
to the point where they were considering putting him down.  Instead, one of the 
vet tech suggested COLD LASER THERAPY - WORKED INCREDIBLY!  Tabby's doing 
GREAT now - has put his weight back on and is back to his reg. self.  Took 5 
sessions I think, no sedation, and each visit for treatment they were in and 
out in under 10 minutes.
 
Check into it!
 
T

--- On Thu, 8/23/12, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:


From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 11:52 AM







Kathryn,
I now that you posted the holistic stomatitis protocol a while back, I thought 
that I saved it, but can’t find it.
I would very much like to try it on two of our FIV+ cats with stomatitis – one 
case is severe, one just a little.  
However, those cats are not easy to handle…would I be able to use it on them?
Natalie  =^..^=
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dublin woke up from surgery blind

2012-02-15 Thread tamara stickler
Anne,
I've had friends whose cats have lost their sight during various routine 
procedures where they had to be anethistized.  Four of the six regained some 
sight in time.  
Try not to worry about bringing Dublin home.  Once he realizes he is home he 
will adjust very well - given time.  If you are afraid of the other cat's 
reactions, rub a little baby powder on everyone (Dublin included) when you 
bring him home so everyone smells pretty much alike.  There may be some tense 
moments for a bit, but even if he doesn't retain his sight, he should do just 
fine.
The following links will lead you two blind cat crime-fighter links for true 
stories of how amazingly well these poor animals can 
exist.http://www.lisaviolet.com/cathouse/amazing.html
http://user.xmission.com/~emailbox/foiled_burglar.htm

Good luck!T
--- On Wed, 2/15/12, Anne Myles anne.my...@uni.edu wrote:

From: Anne Myles anne.my...@uni.edu
Subject: [Felvtalk] Dublin woke up from surgery blind
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, February 15, 2012, 11:32 AM

I am devastated -- my FeLV boy Dublin had major dental surgery yesterday to 
remove the rest of his teeth due to severe stomatitis and feline resorptive 
lesions (his third dental surgery in six months).  He came through OK it 
seemed, and his bloodwork turned out to be very promising (his mild anemia 
around December had reversed with his hematocrit in the middle of the normal 
range).  But something seemed off with agitation and his eyes and the vet 
realized that Dublin seems to be blind.  He did all the ocular tests they do 
and nothing physiologically can be found wrong -- no detached retina, no bleed, 
no evidence of hypoxia, etc.  But only his left eye is even minimally reactive 
to light.  The vet believes the blindness to be related to the FeLV, although 
I'm still totally confused about the suddenness of this all.


Dublin has always had something weird about his eyes -- the pupils stay mostly 
dilated and while they constrict a little it's definitely not like a normal 
cat.  I wondered if he had an eye problem and could see well even before I 
adopted him and learned he was FeLV+.  But he seemed to see fine.


While Dublin is physically stable he is apparently extremely agitated and the 
vet wants to keep him at the hospital until he settles down and begins to 
adapt.  He was with him until 10:30 last night and says that Dubbie has 
scarcely been out of a tech's arms since.  (He is the most loving, 
people-oriented cat, and is not stressed just from being at the vet -- it's 
almost a joke how much he likes it there.)  I am crazy with distress and also 
with anxiety about bringing him home (have another cat, pretty rowdy, and a 
dog), though everyone says blind cats can do well.


I'd appreciate any encouragement -- or in particular any insight into a 
FeLV-blindness link.

Anne


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Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!

2011-08-29 Thread tamara stickler
I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT - I 
DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place in homes 
(as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the cat.
 
I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from a 
shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip the 
cat's nails.  She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane - even 
after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter.  She is allowing 
her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that.
 
Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground!  - even if it did cost you an apt. and 
job.  Good kharma will be the pay off for you!  
 
Tamara

--- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:


From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM






A question about which states do NOT allow declawing: 
http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm 
A list of countries where declawing is illegal: 
http://www.declawing.com/list.html 


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
 


Paws come with claws.  Period.  I once lost a job opportunity (which came with 
a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw.  I told him:  
Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe it's cruelty to 
animals.

 

Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview.

 

And I'd do it again.

 

I think I was about 37 at the time.  I've always had a big mouth.

 

=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=


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From: Natalie 

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 8:04 PM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

 
I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is the most 
devastating thing for a cat.  Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken 
doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me.  I wonder how a 
cat would feel if 
he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their paws 
mutilated?  According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that Cried for 
Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that they either 
climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering in the 
corner, something that their owners will never see.  I have a copy of an 
article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman writes 
about declawing her older cat because her mother's oriental rug was being 
scratched up.  It is one of my hand-out's to adopters - the story is 
heartbreaking, and very typical.  After the hurricane is over, I will scan it 
and post it.  It is probably the best I've read, without going into the gory 
details of declawing.
Natalie
 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
 
Sorry!  This is a 62 email thread in gmail.  I don't know how your email 
program organizes stuff.  Anyway I did not look at the date.

I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death 
after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them.  
Hopefully I will not need to make that choice.  

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:


OMG - you are responding to a post from March..I thought that I was going crazy 
and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW!
There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed.I 
guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere instead 
of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the tenants' own 
furniture!
I would rather give my cat away than declaw it - especially when it's an older 
cat - it's so much harder on them (not that it isn't on young(er) cats).
There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the 
psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be.  We have had a few 
abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them...but all the 
damage had already been done, and what was I to do - throw them out or kill 
them?  I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt with the 
problems as well as they could.


From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Keep Cats Indoors
 Because if the owner has to go into the nursing 

Re: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.

2011-03-29 Thread tamara stickler
Terrie,
 
I am SO SORRY to hear what you and your husband are going through.  Know you 
have my prayers.
 
64 is too young to go home.  But then a friend of a friend once told us that 
those who leave earth early are the Good workers.  Everyone of us has a 
mission to fulfill here on earth and we don't go home until we have done that.  
Some of us are just quicker workers than others.  ;-)  Josh told us this a 
week before he died of cancer.  He was 13.  
 
You're husband has done his work well.  He'll go home with honors.  
 
May you be supported in your grief with the knowledge that the separation is 
only temporary.
 
God bless you both.
 
T

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From: ter...@tazzys.org ter...@tazzys.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Time to step down from rescuing for a time being.
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 9:09 PM





Hi all,
I'm taking some time off from rescue due to my husband's illness. He has liver 
failure and is not a candidate for a transplant. He has been hospitalized 2 
times this month and once last month he was placed into a skill nursing 
facility since the 18th of February after the first trip to the hospital. 
He is in the end final stage of his disease his liver has stopped working. 
Can die at any given time. He is being given all the pain meds he wants for 
comfort so he will most likely fall asleep an never wake up again. 
I want to make myself available at all times for him. 
He is only 64 years old... I know to some of you that may sound old but it 
isn't really.
Hospice has been part of this as well to help me cope with all of this. Hospice 
is available to me 24 hours a day.
 
Sincerely,
Terrie
 
 
TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
Sultan, WA. 98294
Terrie Mohr-Forker
http://tazzys.org/
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Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats........Legal aid

2011-02-28 Thread tamara stickler
Kat,
 
What state are you in?  I have an attorney, Lindsay Harrell, here in the 
office building where I work who specializes in wills, and pet trusts.  We're 
in Maryland.
 
If you are in another state, I can ask her if she knows of someone in your 
state to call.
 
Tamara

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From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Money in trust for cats
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 4:35 PM


Some great ideas/questions!  Thank you all and keep them coming.

Right now I am on unemployment and will eventually start receiving a
small retirement amt each month that will barely pay the mortgage and
food so realizing the $500/$1000 was so totally inadequate - which I
should have known - was a set back I will have to deal with.  I guess
I was thinking it would be a bridge until the care-taker could find
forever homes for them.  That, of course, leads to another concern
about how to be sure the care-taker could be trusted to find good
homes..

Not sure about those on-line fund raising sites someone
suggested..beg for money?  I don't think I would give money to a
stranger on line with no real info as to where it will really go so
why would I expect anyone else to do so?  Sounds strange.

I like the idea of someone moving into house but who would oversee
that person to make sure the animals are receiving the care they
should? My few remaining relatives live many states away and are
within a few years of my age or older. What happens to the
person/house after the animals alive at the time of my death are no
longer living? Maybe as part of the will the house and property could
revert to a rescue site?  Yikes!  How to do that with zoning laws and
all And I would have to be sure the house could be paid for at
my death ARGHH...

I wish I knew a way to find an attorney I could trust to be familiar
with these types of situations AND share my love for these furry kids.
Maybe listed in the yellow pages under Attorneys - Animal Trusts???
or something?  ;-)  And would be willing and able to do it without
charging an arm and a leg.  Sigh.

So much to think about.

Keep the ideas coming.. And thank you all.

Kat

On 2/26/11, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm so glad my family knows how important my cats and other pets are to me!
 Most my family members and friends are huge animal lovers and I have no
 doubt that they will take great care of mine, if something would happen to
 me and my husband.

 2011/2/26 dana giordano giordano.d...@gmail.com

 I don't know how old the cats are but (i'm sorry) the amounts I am seeing
 (500/1000) doesn't seem like it would be enough to take care of the cats
 for
 long other than maybe food needs. I definitely could be wrong. And maybe
 that's all it's intended for.

 Natalie that is a fantastic idea!

 I wanted to share some potential solutions just to put it out there?  Love
 that one though. (note: Must.buy.house. :P)

 Has anyone thought of raising funds via chipin, maybe through a local
 501c3
 so their donators will get tax deductions, or perhaps kickstarter, or
 pepsi
 refresh? These are very popular fund raising sites nowadays and you can
 choose different amounts...you just have to hit the minimum to get the
 money
 I think but people can always contribute more than requested, especially
 if
 you state that in the description of why you are looking for funds.

 And just fyi - there are actually cat retirement homes out there - did
 anyone know that? Isn't that a smart idea? Wanted to put that out there
 too,
 although they make you pay upfront for the lifetime care of the cats.  I'm
 sure they would give you a figure on the costs if you ask, and maybe it's
 just a good idea to have that number for a goal.

 Also, if there are no no-kill shelters near you perhaps you could find
 some
 that are sort of nearby and see if local rescue groups would be willing to
 transport them to that shelter, the shelter take them, and get that
 contact
 info out to family and in the will so there is a plan in place and it will
 get done.  Also, they may have ideas on wills and after-care for animals.
 I'm sure they deal with it all the time.

 It's smart to think ahead. Good to see people doing so. I'm fairly young
 and
 I think all my kitties will be gone by I'm 60 (I have 7.) which was just a
 lucky thing, not a well-thought out thing, so hopefully I won't have to
 deal
 with this myself.  If I want animals after that I decided I'm only going
 to
 foster them because of exactly this situation. Mostly because I have no
 money to even put away what you guys have! :)




 On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 7:24 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote:

  Hi Kat,  This is exactly what I have done so far.  In my will I have
  left $1,000 for each of my 14 cats.  It is the best I can think of to
  assure they are cared for. 

Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death

2010-12-22 Thread tamara stickler
I do know that each state has it's own laws on the matter, but will bring it up 
to her.  Would she be allowed to join the website in order to do that?

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From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 6:10 PM


Perhaps you could get her to address the question on line in very  
general terms of courseone can't practise law where one is not  
licensed.
On Dec 21, 2010, at 4:29 PM, Lorrie wrote:

 On 12-21, tamara stickler wrote:

 I don't know if this helps, but we just had an attorney move into
 the corporate center that I manage, who specializes in pet trusts.
 She is licensed to practice in California and Maryland. ? Would you
 like her contact information? Tamara

 Yes, yes, yes, we are only ten miles from the border of western
 Maryland.  Maryland is where we shop.

 Lorrie



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Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death

2010-12-21 Thread tamara stickler
I don't know if this helps, but we just had an attorney move into the corporate 
center that I manage, who specializes in pet trusts.  She is licensed to 
practice in California and Maryland.
 
Would you like her contact information?
Tamara

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From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 8:47 AM


We had actually set up a Foundation, but now find that we will change it to
a Fund instead.  Advice from lawyers was non-existent, I had to find out the
hard way.  We are also thinking of leaving the house to someone who would
continue the work, but again - how does one trust someone to do that - and
who should oversee it - it's not easy. What really gets to me, as a rescuer,
is how relatives of someone who dies could just ignore their pets, whether
it's one or many!  I get those calls, and always ask your mother, aunt,
uncle, etc. loved the pet(s), don't you feel some kind of responsibility to
care for them?  It falls on dead ears.  When my mother died, I couldn't take
her cats because they were elderly, used to their spaces, some very skittish
rescues...I tried contacting Chicago rescue groups, not to place them, but
to see if anyone there might be interested in taking care of them.  Two
young women and a man from a well-known group (Treehouse) happened to be at
a conference on the East Coast, and came to be interviewed. All seemed fine,
until he found out that there was a basement and that he could play his
drums thereneed I say more? Through a friend, I found a woman who had
her own 12 cats and needed to move - bingo!  There's only one cat left now,
and I could easily bring him here, but at almost 18, Arsenio is too old, and
I might as well wait until he dies without disrupting his life. I also
contacted veterinarians in the area.  The thing to watch for is someone who
wants free boarding and may not take good care of the animals.  There must
be someone to oversee them, too - but who?  A lawyer who doesn't know squat
about cat care?  We have the cats and dog in our will, but there are so many
details to think of, and you know that something will be forgotten! Whenever
I get a call from someone whose relative died, all of this comes into focus
again.  And I don't have all the answers.  Maybe we could all pool our
thoughts on this
Natalie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Bates
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 7:58 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death


Lorrie, that is something I lay awake at night worrying about myself...not
only my own cats, but the ferals I have TNR'd and care forin July I was
hospitalized for almost three weeksthank goodness my husband was able to
care for them (well, as much as he could)but I hesitate to do any more
rescue work because I am not a spring chicken any more...and who will take
them if and when I die?  Some of my cats came from very bad places and have
trust issuesmost are not very friendly to strangersand I don't make
the kind of money where I can provide a lot even IF I could find someone I
could trust...I'm not sure there is a perfect solutionwe just do the
best we can.

Debbie 
~ When the world says, Give up, hope whispers, Try it one more time ~ 



 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 06:56:11 -0500
 From: felineres...@kvinet.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death
 
 My parents left me enough money to comfortably provide for 
 all my cats, BUT the question that concerns me is WHO will
 care for them? I have three grown kids and grown grandkids
 and all of them love cats, but they have a bunch of their own.
 
 I would like to find someone to move into our house and take
 care of them. I'd even give them the house, and it's a very nice
 house in a resort area on a lake in the eastern mountains of WV.
 
 So far in my will I've left 1,000 per cat to help them find
 good homes, but how do I know someone won't take the money and
 dump the cat?
 
 I worry about my fur babies constantly. They are my life. If
 anyone has any good ideas about what I can do please e-mail me
 personally.
 
 Lorrie 
 
 
 On 12-20, MaiMaiPG wrote:
  Consider providing for them in your will. I had a lawyer draw up one 
  leaving everything in trust for the care of my guys.
  On Dec 20, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Lorrie wrote:
  
  Wow, Natalie, that is impressive. You definitely have a lot
  more cats than we have. I'd take in more if my hubby and I
  weren't so ancient (77 and 88) but I'm afraid when we die
  we'll leave a bunch of orphans. It's a constant worry, and
  we have no rescue group to help.. We're it!
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death

2010-12-21 Thread tamara stickler
Lorrie,
 
Her name is Lindsay Harrell, 
Lindsay Harrell l...@harrellatlaw.com; 
Her new office is in the Havre de Grace Corporate Center
224 N Washington Street
Havre de Grace, MD 21078
 
She will be starting here full time as of the week of Jan. 3rd, but feel free 
to contact her via e-mail.
 
Her phone (once we get it up and running) 410-939-1001
 
T
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From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 5:29 PM


On 12-21, tamara stickler wrote:

 I don't know if this helps, but we just had an attorney move into
 the corporate center that I manage, who specializes in pet trusts.
 She is licensed to practice in California and Maryland. ? Would you
 like her contact information? Tamara

Yes, yes, yes, we are only ten miles from the border of western
Maryland.  Maryland is where we shop.

Lorrie



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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Bonnie P-SPOT SOLVED

2010-10-25 Thread tamara stickler
Bonnie,
 
I have a large cat that DROOLS worse than any mastiff!  Part of the reason is 
that I had to have his one fang removed when he was rescued b/c it was broken 
off and rotten.  NOW, nearly every time his gets up...there is a good sized 
drool spot where he was laying.  It's a bit disgusting...but forgivable.
 
PLUS, his very favorite pastime is eating... I've noticed when he dreams of 
eating (mouth going a mile a minute in his sleep) that he drools considerably 
more.  Usually has to get a drink when he gets up.
 
Lastly, I had another cat that would drool when he was starting with a sinus 
infection...- his nose would drip and he would mouth breathe.  (If you see 
Lucky's nose dripping or feel it's wet- you would prob. want to take him in to 
be checked out - it can be the sign of bad teeth or ..with Felv a flare-up 
begining.)
 
While the wet spots may be cat hack - I've never found a healthy cat that would 
continue to lay where she/he soiled.
 
Good luck.
T

--- On Mon, 10/25/10, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:


From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Bonnie P-SPOT SOLVED
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, October 25, 2010, 11:12 AM


Paola
Thanks for that information.  But I think I've finally solved the mystery of 
the Pee Spot!  Lucky frequently spits up.  He'll be fine for days, then have a 
bout of spitting up almost clear liquid, 3 or 4 times a day.  I mentioned to 
the vet he spits up and the vet seemed unconcerned, saying cats are very 
susceptible to gastric upset.  I now think the spots on the bed were not pee, 
but spit up.  I'm not sure if this is a serious issue; I'll mention it to the 
vet again.  But having him spit up rather than pee is a little easier for me 
psychologically, at least!
~Bonnie
- Original Message - From: paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com
To: leukemia list felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 10:28 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: Bonnie


 
 
 Also pee doesn't smell much when a cat has kidney failure - just FYI as 
 there'd
 be other symptoms (drinking a lot for example) and also it's at an advanced
 stage that the pee doesn't smell anymore, because the kidneys can't clean the
 body of toxins so it doesn't smell.
 
 I don't think this is the case, but just so it's out there (I had a kitty that
 lived with kidney failure for quite a while) also it wouldn't make the cat
 incontinent or explain why he's peeing where he sleeps.
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Gloria Lane gbl...@aristotle.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thu, October 21, 2010 11:41:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
 
 If it isn't drool and it is pee, and doesn't smell, that could imply urinary
 tract problems.
 
 
 Gloria
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:
 
 The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night. I 
 put
 my hand on it and it didn't smell.  That's what throws me.  The black light
 trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with!
 I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent 
 hospital
 following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she dearly 
 loves
 her Lucky.  She said, Yes, he slobbers a lot.  So, maybe that is the 
 answer!
 - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
 
 
 Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I used
 to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the
 drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else.
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

2009-12-08 Thread tamara stickler
Haven't heard that one before, thanks Christinane

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 6:01 PM


Don't know if it's the same thing-but my Little Boy has these episodes when
he's sound asleep where he's start twiching and bolts in the air usually
throwing himself off the bed or chair or whatever he's on.  He's sound
asleep when it happens  poor thing is all perplexed when he suddenly wakes
up on the floor or wherever he landed.  I took him to my vet  a neurologist
but nobody seems to be able to tell me what it is.  Could be mild
seizures-he's always been a bit clutzy  when I brought him in, my vet
thought he clutzyness might have been related to his mother maybe having had
distemper.  The signs were real weak so no special care needed.  Sometimes,
Little Boy scares me cause he really likes to get up high  I worry about
him hurting himself when he falls.    



Christiane Biagi



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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 11:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?



Hello all,



This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured with all the cat
care-giving/rescuing experience of the people on this list, perhaps someone
would have an answer for me.



I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago.  Had him neutered and vetted.  He
had/has many issues including being prone to kidney crystals and infections
-which I think we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder
additive to his food.  He used to be very aggressive towards other cats
(something for which my other cat still hasn't completely forgiven him for)
and he truly believes himself to be a dog.  He has no fear at ALL of people,
cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and will go into
his crate if you just mention it...(something even my DOG REFUSES to do!).
But..there is one major obstacle to completely incorporating him into the
household: he has night terrors.



Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own room whenever I'm
not home  at night, but I have been trying to get to the point where he can
be allowed to sleep with us.  Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares
where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3 feet HIGH) from a
dead sleep and FLEES until he hits something - usually a wall or piece of
furniture- hard enough to wake him up.  Then he sits all hunched up and
blinking for a few minutes.  If I go to him he immediately starts to purr
and rolls over for a belly rub - only after head-butting me a few dozen
times.



I've had him to the vet thinking he was having painful spasms or something.
All she could find were old injuries that looked like a car accident may
have hit him in the hip area (all healed - he moves fine) and what appear to
be 3 bebes still lodged in the back of his neck and shoulder area.  She
doesn't think they would be the cause of pain now...but both injuries tell
something of the first year or two of his life.



I've tried feline pheromones ...he still has the episodes.  



As much as I hate putting him in a room by himself at night, while the cat
and dog and I share a bedwhen he freaks out at night- it sets off a
chain reaction of the other cat going all hissy-spazzy and the dog barking
and chasing one or both around the condo until he fully wakes up and calms
down (I'm surprised my neighbors haven't complained yet!).  (Not to
mentionI've gotten kicked in the eye and face time and again as one or
more of the animals flee from the shock of Mica's night terrors.



Has anyone EVER experienced something like this that's on-going?



Does anyone have ANY suggestions other than time?  (He's been an indoor only
cat for 3 years nowand while the dreams do seem to be getting lessat
the current rate- he'll have to live well into his thirties until they are
gone...-I'm not certain I could survive that! ;-)



Thanks,

Tamara, Tobias (yorkie), Coebeio (calico), Micatullyvhim (grey tabby)





      

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[Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

2009-12-07 Thread tamara stickler
Hello all,
 
This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured with all the cat 
care-giving/rescuing experience of the people on this list, perhaps someone 
would have an answer for me.
 
I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago.  Had him neutered and vetted.  He 
had/has many issues including being prone to kidney crystals and infections 
-which I think we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder additive 
to his food.  He used to be very aggressive towards other cats (something for 
which my other cat still hasn't completely forgiven him for) and he 
truly believes himself to be a dog.  He has no fear at ALL of people, cats or 
canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and will go into his crate if 
you just mention it...(something even my DOG REFUSES to do!).  But..there is 
one major obstacle to completely incorporating him into the household: he has 
night terrors.
 
Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own room whenever I'm not 
home  at night, but I have been trying to get to the point where he can be 
allowed to sleep with us.  Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares where he 
BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3 feet HIGH) from a dead sleep 
and FLEES until he hits something - usually a wall or piece of furniture- hard 
enough to wake him up.  Then he sits all hunched up and blinking for a few 
minutes.  If I go to him he immediately starts to purr and rolls over for a 
belly rub - only after head-butting me a few dozen times.
 
I've had him to the vet thinking he was having painful spasms or something.  
All she could find were old injuries that looked like a car accident may have 
hit him in the hip area (all healed - he moves fine) and what appear to be 3 
bebes still lodged in the back of his neck and shoulder area.  She doesn't 
think they would be the cause of pain now...but both injuries tell something of 
the first year or two of his life.
 
I've tried feline pheromones ...he still has the episodes.  
 
As much as I hate putting him in a room by himself at night, while the cat and 
dog and I share a bedwhen he freaks out at night- it sets off a chain 
reaction of the other cat going all hissy-spazzy and the dog barking and 
chasing one or both around the condo until he fully wakes up and calms down 
(I'm surprised my neighbors haven't complained yet!).  (Not to mentionI've 
gotten kicked in the eye and face time and again as one or more of the animals 
flee from the shock of Mica's night terrors.
 
Has anyone EVER experienced something like this that's on-going?
 
Does anyone have ANY suggestions other than time?  (He's been an indoor only 
cat for 3 years nowand while the dreams do seem to be getting lessat 
the current rate- he'll have to live well into his thirties until they are 
gone...-I'm not certain I could survive that! ;-)
 
Thanks,
Tamara, Tobias (yorkie), Coebeio (calico), Micatullyvhim (grey tabby)


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

2009-12-07 Thread tamara stickler
ok... I suppose I will have to research the possiblity of seizures more 
closely.  thx.

--- On Mon, 12/7/09, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:


From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 2:39 PM


i'm with the folks suggesting prozac/elavil--tho the other thing i'm
wondering about is whether it could be a seizure disorder. another inactive
member of this list has a CH (cerebellar hypoplasia) kitty who has seizures
in her sleep.

the other thing, tho with it happening in sleep isn't as likely, would be
some sort of hyperesthesia syndrome resulting from the early trauma: there's
a kitty who was set on fire when he was young, and his burns were never
treated, and he has to be on depomedrol, or he turns into a mainely-coonie
fiend if he is touched at all--it's almost as if the nerve pathways were
knocked way out of whack, and didn't get rewired correctly.

MC

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Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine
Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org)
Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?-Diane R

2009-12-07 Thread tamara stickler
survivor - yes...Little - HA!  if ONLY! ;-)
 
Unfortunately, no, I can't arrange so he gets quality time at night.  The dog, 
also a rescue, suffers from separation anxietyif I were to lock him out of 
the room - he'd howl all night and pee on everything! (much as he does ALL DAY 
when I'm at work!) plus both Tobias-Rat (the dog)  Coebieo (the other cat) 
have IBDstressful situations, changes in routine triggers an 
attack.Micatullyvhim is my healthy one!
 
And lastly...when he boltshe does so blindly.  I've been scratched in the 
eyeball from one of his back claws as he fled across my face, slammed in the 
head by his head as he bolted from the couch (I was sitting in front of it on 
the floor).  I'd like not to go to bed having to wear a helmet and pads!
 
The good thing is, I suppose, that he doesn't seem to NEED me to get 
comfortable or to sleep or feel safe.  That has come from his independant 
nature to begin with and from the last three years of having his own room at 
night.  It's only been the last year and a half where I've let him into the 
rest of the condo ALL DAY when I'm home.  But his aggression with Coebeio (a 
much older and smaller - only 7-8 pounds compared to his 18lb. frame) is 
improvingalthough I can't wait for the day when he FINALLY STOPS being a 
pain in the arse with her!  The tully part of his name comes from the 
nerdy character played by Rick Moranis in Ghostbusters who used to annoy 
Sigorny Weaver's character...(and just like that character, Mica used to open 
doors constantly, only to lock himself on the wrong side!).  Much of the night 
those first few months was spent rescuing him from closets and cabinets that 
he had managed to get into only to have them close back
 on him locking him insidewhere of course he'd mew in that tiny cat voice 
of his CONTINUOUSLY like some kind of cat variation of Chinese water 
torture, until I came to free him!  I finally had to put child-proof locks on 
everything!
 
Thanks for the imput tho!
T


--- On Mon, 12/7/09, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote:

From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com

Wow, what a little survivor Mica is! 
is there a way
that you could sleep with just Mica for a while? Maybe being with you would
calm his terrors a little, and if it's just you and him you won't have that
chain reaction. 
Diane R.




  
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

2009-12-07 Thread tamara stickler
I know there is a sleeping disorder with people where their bodies fail to 
properly paralize them while they dream -which results in sleepwalking.
 
I wonder if this could be what is happening in Mica's case...??

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From: Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 3:33 PM


Seizures only when the cat is sleeping would seem unlikely.  I had an epileptic 
cat and her seizures were always when she was awake.




  
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

2009-12-07 Thread tamara stickler
Thanks Janine,
 
Tried the cypro...WOW what a MISTAKE!  Mica mewed CONSTANTLY while on it...-no 
exaggeration - with EVERY exhale he'd meow.  Luckily he has a very soft voice, 
but still I thought I was going to go BATTY!  The only time he shut up was when 
he slept...and he had the night terrors even then.  Plus he gained like 7 lbs 
over the course of three months.
 
I think that's the main reason I'm so worried about mood elevators with him.  
He was on cypro for his asthma.  Now I just give steriods whenever he has a bad 
bout and he has to deal with it otherwise.  I had a BIG fall-out with the one 
vet over taking him off cypro.  It was only when I let her keep him for 10 hrs. 
one day did she get it.
 
Tell Whitey he's not alone!  Poor guy.
 
thx!

--- On Mon, 12/7/09, janine paton patonjan...@sbcglobal.net wrote:


From: janine paton patonjan...@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 5:11 PM


Jeepers.  I'm so sorry for this cat!  I have a FIV+ named Whitey who'd been hit 
by a car a few winters ago.  Disappeared for a week, feeders thought he was 
dead.  Long story short, he now lives in my bedroom (only because he doesn't 
play nice with others) but oh boy, does he love us.  Broken jaw and paralysis 
on one side of his face.  Can not open his mouth more than a quarter of an 
inch.  He is physically a little akward, too.  For two years at least, he 
startled awake out of a sound sleep when hearing a loud car or truck.  NOT 
jumping as high as your kitty, and he doesn't have beebees in him, but now he 
is starting to relax more, and sleep through loud motor noises.  

There's a drug called cyproheptadine (maybe used for allergies?) we use 
sometimes to relax just a little, maybe at night would be a good time.   Also 
increases appetite, sort of useful for cancer patients.  Also, Bach flower 
rememdies come in more than rescue rememdy, although rescue rememdy might do 
it.    If you go to a health food store, or online, you can pick out a few to 
use in his water that may fit his issues.   

Janine







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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; Mari meko...@mycomhouston.com; 
tlstick...@yahoo.com
Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 11:50:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?

If the pheremones don't work then talk to your vet about antianxiety meds, 
either prozac or elavil, at least for awhile till he begins to get over 
whatever is in his past. (I had one cat on prozac for years.  It made all the 
difference in the world.)

--- On Mon, 12/7/09, Barb Moermond mr_mok...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Barb Moermond mr_mok...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in cat?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org, Mari meko...@mycomhouston.com, 
 tlstick...@yahoo.com
 Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 8:42 AM
 Tamara,
 I'm forwarding this individually to Mari as I know she has
 experience with this.  She's on the list, but I think
 on digest and I want to make sure she sees this.
  Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito
 
 
 My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should
 impress.  Merely living his life, doing what pleases
 him, and making me smile. 
 - Anonymous
 
 
 
 
 
 From: tamara stickler tlstick...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 10:37:33 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] OT:help w/post traumatic stress in
 cat?
 
 Hello all,
  
 This is off-topic, and for that I apologize, but I figured
 with all the cat care-giving/rescuing experience of the
 people on this list, perhaps someone would have an answer
 for me.
  
 I took in stray tabby about 3 years ago.  Had him
 neutered and vetted.  He had/has many issues including
 being prone to kidney crystals and infections -which I think
 we have under control at the moment w/ cranberry powder
 additive to his food.  He used to be very aggressive
 towards other cats (something for which my other cat still
 hasn't completely forgiven him for) and he truly believes
 himself to be a dog.  He has no fear at ALL of people,
 cats or canines, -fetches toys, heels, comes when called and
 will go into his crate if you just mention it...(something
 even my DOG REFUSES to do!).  But..there is one major
 obstacle to completely incorporating him into the household:
 he has night terrors.
  
 Because of his past aggression, he's separated in his own
 room whenever I'm not home  at night, but I have been
 trying to get to the point where he can be allowed to sleep
 with us.  Unfortunately, he has incredible nightmares
 where he BOLTS INTO THE AIR (we're talking sometimes 2-3
 feet HIGH) from a dead sleep and FLEES until he hits
 something - usually a wall or piece of furniture- hard
 enough to wake him up.  Then he sits all hunched up and
 blinking for a few minutes.  If I go to him he

Re: [Felvtalk] Seeking homes for cats after death

2008-10-31 Thread tamara stickler
Just a word of advice, watch where you wind up leaving your cats.  If it is to 
be to an organization, I would suggest you become active volunteers of the 
organization NOW and keep up a face to face envolvement throughout the rest of 
your life!
   
  By volunteering I have gathered intimate knowledge of an organization that I 
once thought was wonderful...and grew to knew it to be a place were I wouldn't 
leave a bug, much less a loved one, but you'd NEVER know it to visit or to read 
the newsletter.  
   
  The more I volunteered at different organizations the more I have become 
convinced that as I go through life, I (and I'm only speaking of myself here, 
not passing judgement on anyone else or meaning to preach) have to be certain 
to only take in as many animals at a time as I have friends and relatives to 
take care of them should something happen to me.  Even then, there is no 
guarantee.
   
  But if you are active, involved physcially NOT just financially, you will 
make contacts with others who have the same interests and concern as you do.  
Then, even should the organization take a turn for the worse, you still have 
personal contacts who may take a personal interest in your cats and do 
everything in their power to make certain they get a fair shake...even if the 
organization is full and can't take any more animals at the time you need them 
to.
   
  Remember, being physcially involved can be a low stress as you need it to 
befrom just visiting every week or so, to perhaps groom or play with the 
cats being sheltered to answering phones to working the occasional weekend 
adoption events.
   
  Tamara

Lorrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 10-31, Sharyl wrote:
 Kelly, how does one go about finding a a list of sanctuaries for
 pets to list in ones will.  I have a combo of healthy cats, CRF
 kitties, and FeLV+ kitties.  I'd like to make plans in advance.  At
 61 I can reasonably expect to live for many years but there is
 always the chance of accidents, unexpected illness, etc.  How does
 a person plan for something like this when it might not be needed
 for 20 yrs? Sharyl

This is a HUGE concern of mine too. I have 15 cats at home, and I'm
75 and my husband is 86!! Some of these cats are quite young and 
I'm sure we won't out live them. I'll pay whatever is necessary to
find them a good home, but finding the place or persons is the
problem. In my will I left $2,000 per cat to each person who will 
take one of my babies, but so far I've not found anyone who will
take them. My three grown kids can take one or two each, but they
all have a bunch of cats and dogs of their own. I worry about this
constantly. If anyone has any ideas speak up.

Lorrie in WV

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Re: socializing barn kittens

2007-12-20 Thread tamara stickler
Not to worry about the boy named Sadie.  I went to school with a guy named 
Sadee,...he was a Russian/Italian guy..and it was a family name!


   
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  Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 9:11 PM
  Subject: RE: socializing barn kittens
  
On that note, I was told many times by the initial rescuer of these kittens 
that they are all females.  The vet clinic that did their fvrcps, wormings, 
etc., marked them as all females.  I thought all got spayed yesterday.  But 
since I have had them, I kept calling the black one him and he and bud 
and lil guy and had to correct myself a lot.  Well, apparently not b/c I was 
right.  I am one of those people who just gets a sense of sex with cats- even 
teeny kittens- right away and I am usually never wrong.  So that is why this 
bothered me so much that I was told they were all girls b/c I just didn't get 
that from the black one.  But I went ahead and named them b/c I thought, well 
the 1st vet clinic said they were all girls  But when I went to check the 
black one's sutures tonight, the belly wasn't shaved and I was like what the 
H?  Low and behold, we have teeny little balls that were removed!  I was so 
happy-- mostly just to know that I was right GD it!  But I
 wish I hadn't named them.  I had named them: Ladee (sounds like Lady)- grey 
 white; Babee baby- all grey; and Sadee Sadie- my black one!  The double 
ee's are in honor of Monkee of course.  I thought those were about the cutest 
names ever and Sadee was my favorite.  I thought they would be fun to market 
with those names!  Oh well, back to the drawing board.  




   
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RE: OT: OOPS, I HAVE BEEN ON PETFINDERS AGAIN...

2007-07-27 Thread tamara stickler
Glenda,
   
  I attempt to adopt a cat from PetFinders a few years back.  My application 
was accepted, but an accident occured in the foster home where he was being 
held...apparently Carruthers was chasing cherry tomatos the caregivers son 
was tossing out an open 2nd story window (??) and he jumped/fell (or was he 
dropped???) out into a pack of dogs on the deck below that she had just set 
food out for.  She said she vetted him and he only had bruisesbut two days 
before I was to pick him up, she told me she found him dead on his chair.  I 
was CRUSHED, having just lost my cat to a blood clot a few months back and 
still blame myself for not being able to get up there and pick him up sooner.  
I didn't believe her either and had my sister (different last name) contact her 
wanting to adopt him...but she too was told he died.  I still have his picture 
in a frame on the memorial shelf with my other critters ashes.  
   
  Sometimes..s - it just happens and despite our best intentionsit just 
isn't meant to be.
   
  Hang in there...the one that is meant for you ...will find you soon.
   
  T

glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Everyone, I just got ahold of an actual person at the
shelter in Fort Worth regarding Catcher. This is how
my conversation went: I ased if Catcher was available.
The gal goes I need a #. I give her the #: 501505.
She says, That does not sound like a good #. Then a
minute later she says, She has been adopted. I said,
He was a boy. Like I'm just irritated they did not
even know he was a boy...Then I said , When? She
said , Why? I said, Because they said, if Catcher
was not adopted right away, he was going to be put
down. 
My heart is just broken, because I simply do not
believe these people...This is a government
facility...I cannot believe they left themselves open
to a bunch of panicked people out here, worried about
that cat by the ad that was put out on
petfinders...They have to have fosters...It is
possible this cat was adopted, but the tone of the
person's voice on the other end, was abrupt...scared
the hell out of me...
The phone # to that facility is 817-392-3737 just for
anyone out there that wants to try it out...
I have been involved with animal rescue and shelters
in my past and really do not trust the image they try
to project to the public...thus to keep people like me
calm...It is not their fault, I do understand, but
knowing this is no consolation...Well enough
depressing stuff. Remember he could have gotten
adopted...Glenda

--- Melissa Lind wrote:

 Hi Glenda,
 
 How's it going with Catcher? Can you post the link
 to his picture? I hope
 you are able to get him. Have you looked into cheap
 flights? Southwest Ding
 might be the place to go to get down there, but I'm
 not sure if they have a
 Omaha / Fort Worth flight. You can't take cats on
 Southwest (no pets
 allowed), but you could always find another cheap
 flight back. When I flew
 to Best Friends, my airfare was around $200 round
 trip on two different
 airlines! About $100 on the way out, $80 on the way
 back, plus $50 for the
 cat on the way there to ride under the seat. Then I
 got a great deal on a
 car. I booked it so that it was a turn-around--no
 hotel needed, just a
 little napping in the airport. 
 
 Let me know how things go...I don't think you're
 crazy. More cats can be
 overwhelming, but if we don't take them, who will? 
 
 Melissa
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of glenda Goodman
 Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 12:17 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: OT: OOPS, I HAVE BEEN ON PETFINDERS
 AGAIN...
 
 Sally, I just looked at your kitty. She has really
 pretty green eyes. She should grow up to be a real
 beauty! 
 It sure is hard loving all these kitties and being
 able to only help a handful. 
 Your website is wild. When I get a little time I
 will
 check it out again. 
 The best of luck to you and your kitties. I have one
 FeLV+ kitty too. I think that really slows us down,
 so
 hard keeping everyone seperated and back tracking,
 making sure everything is kept clean and picked
 up...
 About this kitty in Fort Worth : I will know what is
 going on when I call tomorrow. As it stands, I will
 take this cat in, if I am able to get him to me... I
 will sponser him...whatever it takes that I can
 do...
 I just have to try...Thanks for checking him
 out...He
 is at : ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROL DIVISION 
 FORT WORTH ,TEXAS
 He is # 501505
 His name is Catcher, a very large, orange poly. Poor
 little guy, wearing the duck suit hat...trying so
 hard
 to be cute...
 anyone live in Fort Worth with time to conspire with
 me on this? I'll send the bail out fees...
 He simply has to be still alive or I will just go
 bonkers...will find out tomorrow... Thanks, Glenda
 
 --- Sally Davis 
wrote:
 
  HI Glenda
  
  He is SOOO cute. I hope he gets a good home.
  
  I just aquired a new kitten. She is solid grey.
 Now
  with 

Re: OT: Really good article about Nike and Vick

2007-07-19 Thread tamara stickler
Honey, Nike has been using child labor and sweat shop like conditions the 
production of their products for decades...Human Rights  fair trade groups 
have been at them since the late eightiesI really don't think they're going 
to care about an animal rights issue.  Nike cares about Nike's profits...that's 
it...I've been boycotting them for 15 yrs...I don't think they care or even 
feel it, but I wish you all the luck in the world.
  T

Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7038442?MSNHPHCPGT1=10239
   
  Pretty much says that you aren't going to get much out of Nike if you call 
them on their sponsorship of Vick.  The underlying message to me is, let's hit 
Nike where it hurts them...their bottom line.  Stop buying their products.  I'm 
always up for a meaniful boycott...who's with me?!
   
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Re: something is killing my cats, please

2007-06-29 Thread tamara stickler
hehehe...ok Su, I think you're startin to loose it!!!  
   
  But hey, no more than the rest of us.  I just got news on my Yorkshire 
terrorist's (adult rescue from 2 yrs. ago) recent heath problems...after 
spending over 3 Gs this year already, we are looking at surgery that could run 
another 6!
   
  I'm thinkin' of renaming him Ferrari.  THAT way I can say, yeah, I live in a 
two room apartment, BUT I have a Ferrari!
   
  God help us ALL, we're ALL NUTS!
   
  T

Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Well, the little fur monsters are sucking all the $$$ outta my wallet.
   
  I told them the other day that they needed to get jobs to help out.
   
  They just laughed in my face and said, Yeah, right Meowmy!.
   
  Then they proceeded to hop on my computer  order up more cat toys.
   
  They have their own checking account.
   
  This way I can watch how much money they spend.
   
  When they've all been particuliarly bad (peed in a shoe ?) I take their debit 
card and me  the husband go out to dinner on them  :)
   
  All you can eat catfish night.Mmm
   
   
  Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent
   
   
   
   
- Original Message - 
  From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 4:23 AM
  Subject: Re: something is killing my cats, please
  

Oooh!  Love those kitties!  And their loving kittymommies!  Thanks for a 
GREAT letter! 
Consciousness is Causal 
   and Physicality is its
   Manifestation.


   
   




   
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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

2007-06-28 Thread tamara stickler
Kelly,
   
  Unfortunately, I don't have a CLUE as to what is making your cats so ill.
   
  I WISH I had an ACTUAL answer tho for you.  You are in my prayers, as are 
your cats.
  Rest assured I'm certain, whatever is happening, isn't your fault.  When you 
deal with alot of animals, the odds will catch up with you sooner or later.

I only have one suggestion, kinda a last ditch: 
what-the-hell-it-might-not-help, -but -it -can't- hurt -thing.  
   
  Now mind you, I'm REALLY NOT a new-age-y type person, but a young girl I 
shared an office with once was.  Our team was having a HUGE run of 
bad-luck...misplaced paper work, unexplained dropped projects  contracts, dead 
beat clients, poor communication between the project manager and the 
prototypers, continual run of illness-non-stop and a project manager who 
stalked around screaming at people like a skitzoid-harpie.
   
  Laura brought dry sage in one day, set it lightly smoldering (just so it 
smoked-no flame) and starting from the far windowless side of the office 
outlined the walls, pushing forward towards the door like she was moving a 
solid invisible wall. (Chases away bad vibes/spirits was her explanation, to 
which I remember thinkin' ok, SHE'S nuts!)  Once she moved the sage to the 
door, (pushing everything bad out), she drew an x across the door frame, 
tampered the smoke and pinned the sage above the door jamb.  Not five minutes 
later, our Harpie-isc manager comes flying into the common area outside our 
office, in a rage heading our way, turns like she's bee-lining it into yell at 
us, and I SWEAR, she stopped dead in her tracks at the door frame, looked 
around all confused, muttered something along the lines of not remembering why 
she had come to our office, and skulked away!  We all started roaring with 
laughter, I apologized to Laura, who repeated her cleansing of our
 office whenever things started to go bad...and Ms. Harpie NEVER stepped foot 
into our office again.  Laura's advice to me: When the unexplainable is 
raining down on you, try remedies that can't be explained.
   
  Ok, now you all think I'm nuts, BUT, I've tried it from time to time, outside 
of work, and it, for a reason known only to God, seems to work.
   
  God Bless, Good luck,
  T
 
On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the toll 
so far from this year, not including kittens.
   
  Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.
   
  Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but 
is now dying, they think cancer.
   
  Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows what was or is 
wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo.
   
  Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to 
pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
   
  They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive dehydration (skin 
tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
   
  Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
   
  All tested neg/neg for FELV.
   
  Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please 
help me...I don't know what is killing my cats

-- 
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http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 

Please help Caroline!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

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or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.  That only one 
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RE: Something is killing my cats, please help me

2007-06-28 Thread tamara stickler
I was thinking, while it won't heal the cats...maybe it would clear away 
whatever was keeping her from accurately diagnosing the problem???

Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Tamara --
   
  This is too cool.  I'm not a big believer in new age stuff myself, but I am 
totally willing to accept that there may be forces at work in nature that 
respond to nontraditional methods such as Laura's.  And in any case, unless 
someone's allergic to sage or whatever the particular substance is for the job 
at hand, it couldn't hurt! LOL re the harpie!  
   
  Diane R.


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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me


  
  Kelly,
   
  Unfortunately, I don't have a CLUE as to what is making your cats so ill.
   
  I WISH I had an ACTUAL answer tho for you.  You are in my prayers, as are 
your cats.
  Rest assured I'm certain, whatever is happening, isn't your fault.  When you 
deal with alot of animals, the odds will catch up with you sooner or later.

I only have one suggestion, kinda a last ditch: 
what-the-hell-it-might-not-help, -but -it -can't- hurt -thing.  
   
  Now mind you, I'm REALLY NOT a new-age-y type person, but a young girl I 
shared an office with once was.  Our team was having a HUGE run of 
bad-luck...misplaced paper work, unexplained dropped projects  contracts, dead 
beat clients, poor communication between the project manager and the 
prototypers, continual run of illness-non-stop and a project manager who 
stalked around screaming at people like a skitzoid-harpie.
   
  Laura brought dry sage in one day, set it lightly smoldering (just so it 
smoked-no flame) and starting from the far windowless side of the office 
outlined the walls, pushing forward towards the door like she was moving a 
solid invisible wall. (Chases away bad vibes/spirits was her explanation, to 
which I remember thinkin' ok, SHE'S nuts!)  Once she moved the sage to the 
door, (pushing everything bad out), she drew an x across the door frame, 
tampered the smoke and pinned the sage above the door jamb.  Not five minutes 
later, our Harpie-isc manager comes flying into the common area outside our 
office, in a rage heading our way, turns like she's bee-lining it into yell at 
us, and I SWEAR, she stopped dead in her tracks at the door frame, looked 
around all confused, muttered something along the lines of not remembering why 
she had come to our office, and skulked away!  We all started roaring with 
laughter, I apologized to Laura, who repeated her cleansing of our
 office whenever things started to go bad...and Ms. Harpie NEVER stepped foot 
into our office again.  Laura's advice to me: When the unexplainable is 
raining down on you, try remedies that can't be explained.
   
  Ok, now you all think I'm nuts, BUT, I've tried it from time to time, outside 
of work, and it, for a reason known only to God, seems to work.
   
  God Bless, Good luck,
  T
 
On 6/27/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the toll 
so far from this year, not including kittens.
   
  Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.
   
  Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but 
is now dying, they think cancer.
   
  Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows what was or is 
wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo.
   
  Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to 
pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
   
  They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive dehydration (skin 
tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
   
  Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
   
  All tested neg/neg for FELV.
   
  Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please 
help me...I don't know what is killing my cats

-- 
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 

Please help Caroline!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

I GoodSearch for Rescuties. 

Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet 
with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! 




-- 
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or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.  That only one 
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Re: Home made turkey recipe/more recipes

2007-04-11 Thread tamara stickler
Nina,
   
  Please post recipe ON list.  I'd like to see it too.
   
  Thanks,
  Tamara

Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hey Dede,
I have been making a homemade cooked turkey food for my IBD girl Gypsy 
for over a year now. I too have so many to feed that it's hard to 
imagine making homemade food for everyone, but I'm starting to consider 
it. I'll send it to you off list for you to look at. I'm thinking that 
you would have to do some sort of ground meat substitution for as many 
as you have. You could add chicken hearts and liver, (the organ meats 
are better for them than adding vita A and D). I actually have a meat 
grinder from when I was feeding a barf diet. Maybe we could watch for 
sales and freeze muscle meat in bulk. Did you see the links I sent to 
the list in answer to Marylyn's post? 

The very best of luck with your move and getting everyone into the house 
safely. I saw the recommendation, (on another list), of sneaking them 
into the house in open-ended boxes. What a good idea! We'll be waiting 
for your report of how the move went. Remember, deep breaths.
Nina

dede hicken wrote:
 Hey, MaryChristine, how about spaying and neutering
 Pet Food officials?

 OK, I can't believe I am thinking this, but does
 anyone on this list make their own food? I will have
 to go no mil tomorrow, but i am really considering
 this. I don't know if i will ever be able to
 completely do it...I have so many, but hey, it's worth
 a thought




   
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Re: Home made turkey recipe/more recipes

2007-04-11 Thread tamara stickler
Thanks Nina!

Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Aunt Darla’s Irish Turkey

 In large bowl, combine dry ingredients:

 * Cooked Turkey: Minced 3 -4 cups (1.2 -1.5 lbs)
 * Med boiled Egg: 2 finely minced whole
 * Cooked turkey liver  heart: minced (or 20,000 IU Vita A  400 IU Vita D)

 In small bowl, combine supplements:

 * Taurine: 4000 mg
 * Bone meal: 2 Tbls (or 1 tsp eggshell powder per lb/meat 1/3 per cup)
 * Vita B complex 50mg: ½ capsule
 * Vita E (dry) 400 IU: 1 capsule
 * Spirulina: 1 cap (380mg) may also use BioPreparation
 * Kyodophilus probiotic: 4 caps (or ¾ tsp Pet Dophilus)
 * Pure Rice Bran: 1-2 tsp
 * Colostrum: 1 tsp (optional)

 In med bowl, wisk liquid ingredients:

 * Turkey broth: 1 cup (add bottled water to turkey pan during cooking then 
 remove fat)
 * Salmon oil: 2000mg (puncture gel cap)
 * Canned Pumpkin: 1-3 tsp
 * Nu-Cat by Vetri-Science mineral sup: ½ - 1 tsp
 * Pet Tinic: ¼ - ½ tsp (optional)
 * Plain Yogurt: 1 Tbls (optional)

 While constantly stiring dry ingredients, sprinkle in slowly combined 
 supplements. When supplements are thoroughly mixed in, fold in liquid 
 ingredients. Store in small air tight tupperware containers.


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 Please post recipe *ON* list. I'd like to see it too.
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Re: Hideyo - Please send her strength

2007-03-28 Thread tamara stickler
Hideyo is such an unsung hero - I agree with that fully!
   
  Hold one girl, the sadness does pass...eventually.  To quote my 
great-granddam, The only way to get through it, is to get through it.  Bow 
your head, shoulder-through, and force yourself to keep moving, ahead, 
eventually, you'll step into a cloud break. (she was the first female Maryland 
State Trooper and raised 6 children single-handedly after her husband died in a 
mill accidenttrust her.)
   
  God Bless!
  T
   
  Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm writing to the list for prayers, strength and love to be sent to our 
dear friend Hideyo. She has had so many losses, so much pain and 
sadness, so much strife, she could so use our strength right now. It 
has been difficult for her to find time to participate in the list 
lately. She has stoically been dealing with loss after loss, and still, 
when I asked for her help in interpreting Joey's test results she wrote 
back immediately. I have never met a more giving unselfish heart as 
Hideyo. You may not agree with where her decisions take her, but they 
are always made from a place of love and giving. I wish there was more 
that I could do to relieve her burdens. Sometimes knowing that you are 
not alone, knowing that others care and are sending good thoughts and 
blessings your way can help rally our fortitude and get us through the 
worst of times. Hideyo is such an unsung hero and I'm proud to call her 
friend.
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2007-03-26 Thread tamara stickler
God Bless you Kelly, and all your charges.  My prayers and thoughts go with 
you.  May God give you Comfort and Peace.



Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  To my Friends, My sweet Little White Deaf kitty is at the emergency 
vets under Oxygen tonight. It is a long story but probably underlying 
heart disease..and he is not responding. The ventilator is an option, 
but the prognosis of ever getting him off it is is so slim and with 
so many underlying problems I would be doing it for me and not him, 
He has been though so very much this year,...Please wish me the 
strength to go down there and hold him in my arms and a gently 
passage,,,Then to the other vet asFRESNO my rescued dog's would has 
opened up and the pin should be pulled, 
I hate these times.
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RE: pet-food contaminant found? -Rat Poison -just announced

2007-03-23 Thread tamara stickler
It wasn't wheatbut RAT poisonthey just announced it...I'd be a bit 
concerned as to WHERE the poison entered the food..

Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got an e-mail from 
Wellness saying SOME of their foods are made at Menu plant but not to 
worry—they don’t use wheat!!!  Arg—just got 5 cases of Wellness…  I did 
write back and ask which foods were made at Menu---but I guess tonight it’s a 
home cooked meal for the guys!  
   
Chris
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  -Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 12:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; FeLVTalk; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: pet-food contaminant found?
   
  for those of you who haven't seen this yet: 

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2975912page=1 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17754681/

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RE: pet-food contaminant found? -Rat Poison -just announced

2007-03-23 Thread tamara stickler
don't know for certain, but most likely sprayed on before shipping...to keep 
rats away in cargo hold???  Its illegal in US...prob. why Menu foods used the 
new vendor..because they were offering the wheat so cheap!  Don't know if 
they knew WHY it was so cheap...don't know if the company inquired or even 
caredjust a way to pad the profits most likely. ...Don'tcha just LOVE 
corporations???

MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I'm assuming the rat 
poison was put down in the wheat--while growing or while being stored.
  
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 11:15 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: pet-food contaminant found? -Rat Poison -just announced


It wasn't wheatbut RAT poisonthey just announced it...I'd be a bit 
concerned as to WHERE the poison entered the food..

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Re: pet-food contaminant found?

2007-03-23 Thread tamara stickler
Royal Canin had their OWN recall back in Octsomething about using too much 
Vitamin D, the high levels contributed to kidney failure.  But that wasn't 
linked to this 

Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Does anyone know if A/D or Royal 
Canin Veterinary Recovery or whoever the heck makes MaxCal are affected?

  On 3/23/07, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got an e-mail from 
Wellness saying SOME of their foods are made at Menu plant but not to 
worry—they don't use wheat!!!  Arg—just got 5 cases of Wellness…  I did 
write back and ask which foods were made at Menu---but I guess tonight it's a 
home cooked meal for the guys!  
   
Chris
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Re: pet-food contaminant found?

2007-03-23 Thread tamara stickler
Royal Canin had their OWN recall back in Octsomething about using too much 
Vitamin D, the high levels contributed to kidney failure.  But that wasn't 
linked to this 

Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Does anyone know if A/D or Royal 
Canin Veterinary Recovery or whoever the heck makes MaxCal are affected?

  On 3/23/07, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got an e-mail from 
Wellness saying SOME of their foods are made at Menu plant but not to 
worry—they don't use wheat!!!  Arg—just got 5 cases of Wellness…  I did 
write back and ask which foods were made at Menu---but I guess tonight it's a 
home cooked meal for the guys!  
   
Chris
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Re: pet-food contaminant found?

2007-03-23 Thread tamara stickler
Royal Canin had their OWN recall back in Octsomething about using too much 
Vitamin D, the high levels contributed to kidney failure.  But that wasn't 
linked to this 

Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Does anyone know if A/D or Royal 
Canin Veterinary Recovery or whoever the heck makes MaxCal are affected?

  On 3/23/07, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got an e-mail from 
Wellness saying SOME of their foods are made at Menu plant but not to 
worry—they don't use wheat!!!  Arg—just got 5 cases of Wellness…  I did 
write back and ask which foods were made at Menu---but I guess tonight it's a 
home cooked meal for the guys!  
   
Chris
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Re: pet-food contaminant found?

2007-03-23 Thread tamara stickler
Royal Canin had their OWN recall back in Octsomething about using too much 
Vitamin D, the high levels contributed to kidney failure.  But that wasn't 
linked to this 

Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Does anyone know if A/D or Royal 
Canin Veterinary Recovery or whoever the heck makes MaxCal are affected?

  On 3/23/07, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just got an e-mail from 
Wellness saying SOME of their foods are made at Menu plant but not to 
worry—they don't use wheat!!!  Arg—just got 5 cases of Wellness…  I did 
write back and ask which foods were made at Menu---but I guess tonight it's a 
home cooked meal for the guys!  
   
Chris
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Re: OT - HELP, Cat crying all night long.

2007-03-19 Thread tamara stickler
He's suffering from separation anxiety.  Even tho his person is there...when 
she sleeps...she leaves him.  Its not uncommon for animals who have suffered 
a tramatic event (house burgler...fireabandonment) to go through 
this..(sometimes just moving from one home to another can do it).
   
  Has she tried the felaway (or the generic brand of it)?  Spray it once a day 
(at night) around the house to give a sense of well being.
   
  She could also try a Catnip video...put in the tv and push play...kitty 
might be destracted.
   
  Worse case senerio...ask vet for a mild sediative until cat gets used to new 
surroundings.

Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I don't know.   I Have called her this morning and left a message.

  On 3/18/07, Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   But does he lie in bed 
with her while the light is on  she is still
basically up?  When does he start pacing relative to her turning off the 
light  going to sleep, or trying to?

Pam

Kelley Saveika wrote:
 He lies with her in bed for about 20-30 minutes, then gets bored and
 starts pacing and crying until 5 am, when apparently he gets tired of 
 crying and stops. I odn'tk now about the ligths.

 On 3/18/07, *Pam Norman* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That's why I was asking.  I would go further than nightlights  try
 leaving a light on in the bathroom perhaps. And I'm still curious
 as to
 what he is doing  where when she turns out the light for the night.
 Does the crying start then or later?

 Pam

 Leslie Lawther wrote:
  *Lighting is a good question... We have pathway lighting (night 
 lights
  that angle down to the ground) all through the house for the cats.
  Even though they are nocturnal, they still do no have the best
  eyesight.  Maybe she could try some nightlights for him?  * 
  *Leslie =^..^=*
 
 
  On 3/18/07, *Pam Norman* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote: 
 
  Kelley,
 
  Are there any other pets in the household?
 
  Also what do they (the woman  the kitty) do just before she 
 turns
  out
  the light?  Is he with her on the bed?  Napping?
 Dozing?  What happens
  when she turns out the light?   When she turns off her 
 light, at that
  point are ALL the lights in the house off?
 
  Pam
 
 
 
  Kelley Saveika wrote: 
   Nina,
  
   he can sleep whereever he wants.  She says he gets in bed with
  her for
   20-30 minutes, then gets tired of that and gets out of bed and 
  starts
   pacing and crying and does that until 5 am..  It almost
 broke my
  heart.
  
   She says she can't live without sleep forever, and I see 
 her point.
   He apparently stops crying about 5 am, and she gets to
 sleep for 2
   hours.  That's not a good schedule for a working
 person.  She works 
   half a day on Friday and took a nap after getting
 home.  He allowed
   her to sleep then.  She says this weekend she has been
 sleeping
  from 5 
   am to 11 am, but she cant' do that during the week.
  
   Everyone isn't us, Nina.  I wish they were, it would be so
 much
   easier.  I can't keep all these cats either - if I do I 
 can't do
   rescue.  Though I am frustrated and aggravated right now
 and not
   wanting to do rescue at the moment.
  
   
  
  
   On 3/18/07, *Nina*  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Kelley,
   Just by your brief explanation it sounds like this guy is 
  confused and
   scared.  Since he's affectionate during the day, and you
  hinted that
   she's not giving him attention at night, I'm guessing 
 he's
  calling out
   for reassurance.  Do you remember me telling the list
 about
  Sophie
   Matilda?  I had her confined to a bathroom because 
 she's cat
   aggressive.  She cried day and night, (but it was
 worse at
  night), and
   would only settle down when I was with her.  This went on 
  for what
   seemed like years, but was really only days.  I got very
  little sleep,
   (sleeping on a bathroom floor is not so great for my 
 aching back
   either).  The scariest and most upsetting part for me was
  wondering if
   she would ever stop.  She 

Re: Debbie's multible testing need

2007-03-01 Thread tamara stickler
Debbie,
   
  Let me ask you this:  if you are planing on keeping all the cats that you 
currently have, why the rush to test?  They've already been exposed, yes?  
Folks on this list have proven that positive cats can have great lives...and 
many of them have households where they've mixed both positive and neg. cats
   
  Why not just cut yourselves a break, and take it day by day?  Enjoy the ones 
you have (whatever their health status), try not to add more, of if you do, get 
them vaccinated first, and just go on with your lives.  What is the point of 
rushing to have them all tested? 
   
  If you feel you NEED to knowshop around for a compassionate vet.  I have 
one that cuts her clients a break on households with multible pets.  Some mobil 
vets will agree to only charge for 1 office (house) visit if you get more 
than one animal looked at at once...OR...is there a cat rescue organization 
that would help you with the costs of testing?



 
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Re: Debbie's multible testing need

2007-03-01 Thread tamara stickler
I love your description of your crew!  
   
  As for how it is transmitted...if I've learned ANYTHING from caring for 
animals...its listen to those who actually have them...more so than 
vetsToo many vets say a felv+ cat should be pts. whereas people who 
actually take care of them, know that they can live long healthy lives.
   
  Maybe check with your local cat rescue to see if they can help you with the 
expense...meanwhile, just try to give each cat a quality life, healthy diet, 
and keep them as stress free as possible.test when you have the money to do 
so, AS you have the money to do so...even if you don't get them all done at 
once.
   
  uhm..maybe start with Sneezy...;-)
   
  As for them adoring your hubby!  I hear that!
   
  My mom isn't a fan of cats (they kinda give her the heebie-geebies-what with 
the shedding and going so limp when you pick them up)...but can't stand to see 
them cold or suffer so she took to feeding a few run-a-ways from her neighbor's 
home down the court..they had 15...and two of them, Tom  Jerry took up 
residence on Mom  Dad's front porch-refusing to ever go home.  After several 
years of the cats training Mom's standard poodle NOT to try to chase or eat 
them (a feat beyond any human...believe me...we tried!)...the cats also trained 
my parents to let them into the house...first into a room in the 
basement...then to supply that room with nice fluffy beds.. toys.then to 
let them into the rest of the basementand eventually into the rest of the 
house.  Two others HissPuff  Tabby showed up...Tabby keeps trying to expand 
the cats allowed home space to the masterbedAnyway, they absolutely love 
my dad who administers to them(Mom feeds  cleans up after
 them, but Dad pets, plays, sits with them...) Mom calls him the cat 
whisperer.  Its not unusal to see Dad on the lazyboy downstairs, with the two 
black n whites, Tom  Jerry, sitting looking like clones, side by side, their 
butts up against his hip, and Tabby drapped across his shoulders or lap ...
   
  We think HissPuff (he was somekind of jet black Burmese/maybe Himie or 
Pursain mix that would only rarely allow himself to be touched...and would hiss 
whenever anyone looked at him) might have died of Felv leuk. but decided that 
we weren't going to have the others tested because they weren't to be put down 
if they tested positive anyway.

Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I suppose the main reason we would like to know is so we can try to help 
keep them healthier longer. Also, my aunt has alot of cats and so does my 
sister, neighbors,  - I would hate to somehow transmit this disease. I feel a 
bit confused because we have had some people say it is hard to catch, but 
others say it is easily transmitted. With where we live I am sure we will 
eventually accumulate more cats. We just aren't the type to turn a blind eye if 
we see them suffering. I think we should know if we would be exposing them. It 
was the vets idea to test them all. Seems to me they could be a bit cheaper but 
the ones in our area aren't. 
  We definitely enjoy the ones we have. They are our babies: Their names are as 
follows:
  Frodo, Arwen, Daffodil, Tigger, Algernon, Koko, Lady, Sneezy, Petey, Patches, 
Cassie, Fuzzy, Solomon, and Sheba. Seven were found in Dayton Ohio in a trash 
bin. The first 3 were long hair, the next 4 still had the unbilical cords 
attached. Solomon and Sheba we brought back to Ohio from Missouri. They were 
kittens living in a field with horses. They were eating horse feed and insects 
(starving). Sneezy was a neighbors cat we think. They went away for the winter 
and left her outside. She came to our house and was pregnant. She gave birth on 
our new loveseat! 
We also have a black lab called Charlie and at Christmas my husband found a 
chocolate lab puppy (around 4 weeks old) in a box alongside the road. He called 
her Tegan. She is now up to 26 lbs!
  There are days when we feel like we live in a zoo, but we would not trade 
them for anything. Funny thing is my husband came to the U.S. from England. He 
never really liked cats (much more of a dog person). Now wherever he goes they 
all follow him. He can not even use the restroom without Daffodil going with 
him! She paws at the door until he leaves her in. I call him the Pied Piper of 
Yorkshire.
   
  Debbie


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From: tamara stickler 
Sent: Mar 1, 2007 1:14 PM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: Debbie's multible testing need 

  Debbie,
   
  Let me ask you this:  if you are planing on keeping all the cats that you 
currently have, why the rush to test?  They've already been exposed, yes?  
Folks on this list have proven that positive cats can have great lives...and 
many of them have households where they've mixed both positive and neg. cats
   
  Why not just cut yourselves a break, and take it day by day?  Enjoy the ones 
you have (whatever their health status), try not to add more

RE: Chocolate cat needs a name

2007-02-19 Thread tamara stickler
Aw...I LIKE Reuben.  Afterall, hasn't he gone through enough already without 
having to learn a new name that his new owners (when he is adopted) will most 
likely change again anyway?

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Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:10 AM
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Subject: OT: Chocolate cat needs a name

  

  
  I volunteer with a rescue that has taken in cats from a hoarding case. Some 
have tested FeLV+. One of the cats that tested negative and is awaiting a 
retest is a cocoa colored cat. He is all brown. I have never seen a cat like 
this in person. Anyway, his name was Reuben and we are searching for a better 
name. The possibilitties so far are Cocoa, Chocolate Boy, and Whitman, none of 
which I care for.
  If anyone can think of a name for a chocolate colored cat, can you please let 
me know. You can email me off list if you want. 
  And please keep your fingers crossed he retests negative.
   
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Re: Rude Ranch -ideas for getting HELP

2007-02-07 Thread tamara stickler
Well, three of my volunteers have now moved out of state (have since gone off 
to college), and the other two now have their hands full with their two new 
children, one of which is a Down's Synd. baby...where are you?
   
  I found the kids willing to help that time at one of the high schools in the 
area.  They have to do community service to graduate in Maryland.  Not all of 
the kids want to work at church, or are comfortable helping at a soup kitchen, 
and there are quite a lot of young adults who love animals and are very into 
activism, but are limited as to how much they can do first hand because they 
still live with mom  dad.  BUT, if you contact the local high schools  
churches in your areas, you'd be surprised by how many people are willing to 
help.  AND if you have any affiliations with actual rescues, very often the 
local lumber yards  little ma  pa hardware stores in the area will be willing 
to donate either regular merchandise, or slightly damaged items that can be 
still be useful...just not pretty.  You can also get ALOT of stuff on the 
CRAIGS LIST website.  People list items there they want to get rid of, but 
don't want to throw awaymost are give-a-ways, some are up for
 trade.
   
  It never hurts to ask youth church groups, schools, shops that sell animal 
supplies..even vet offices, boarding  grooming businesses.  But if you 
approach the schools and church groups, do it correctly, start at the HEAD of 
the school, explain in writing what you are looking to do and WHY, try to find 
some educational value in it for those who would help.
   
  If you are in need of  blankets or throws for your rescues...contact an 
assisted living care facility.  Offer to maybe give a talk to the residents 
about felv+, show pictures of your cats, or if they have the temperment and are 
up on shots, to bring them in to visit.  Talk with them about what you do, what 
you need...if you supplie the raw materials, and can find a resident or two 
there who love cats and can say knitt or sew...perhaps you can sit with them 
and make blankets or throws that you need.  ALWAYS remember tho to bring 
pictures back to your helpers of your critter using the items they made or 
donated.
   
  In that instance where I offered to help the woman who had offered to take 
Simms, I did so because I would have been making the living space more livable 
for an animal that had been in my care (and that I WANTED desparately to keep, 
but couldn't for space reasons (VERY small aptcondo Nazi's already all over 
me b/c I had too many...three of which were already special needs 
critters...etc...), I was willing to put the supplies I couldn't get donated on 
my charge card.  As it is, I used that money to drive the cat across 4 states 
to a better home.
   
  T

Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  No kidding!  That was exactly what was going through my mind when reading 
Tamara's offer of help.  I'm always wishing help like that would fall out of 
the sky and into my lap!

Susan Hoffman wrote:   Ummm, would you and your volunteers like to come give me 
a hand at MY place?  I'll accept!

tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   
  I agree.  That's what scared me about the woman who originally agreed to take 
Simms.  After seeing her place, I called her back and told her I had five 
volunteers lined up who had agreed to come help her finish insulating the 
garage where she kept the felv+ cats, build new cat trees and levels for them 
and her healthy foster cats and even help her husband build the larger shed he 
told me he wanted to build for the healthy foster cats that she had.  I told 
her all her hubby had to do was get us a list of the materials he needed, give 
us a weekend or two when it would be good for them, and we'd be there.


 
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RE: Rude Ranch-Chris

2007-02-06 Thread tamara stickler
Thanks Chris! 
   
  I do think about Big Boy alot, and thought perhaps you had chosen to keep 
him.  Romeo is a good name for him!  
   
  Sorry about having to keep him separated from your girl.  Once again we are 
treading the same path, as my most recent rescue does not get along with my 
female, Coebeio.  Coey absolutely hates him and growls at him until he, having 
had enough goes after her.  Since he's only about 1 or so, and oh, 3-4 lbs 
heaver than Coey (a senior), I too have to keep Tully locked behind three 
stacked babygates covering the doorway between my studio and the rest of the 
apt.  I was hoping that this would help the felines to get used to one 
anotherits been about 5 months now...and no go.  To make it worse...Tully 
is prone to urine infections  crystals and has asthmaooo here's yet 
ANOTHER foster animal that will be with me forever. 
   
  HAI really think I must be doing something wrong!  I have friends who 
feed their cats and dogs crap (supermarket  Walmart brand food)let them 
come and go outside without supervisionHere I'm trying to feed my animals 
human-grade quality foods like Merrik and EVO...and each one of them has been a 
special needs critter...heart conditions, asthma, skin cancer, cancer, brain 
tumors, cat herpes, ibd, seizers, pancreitis attackshell...I even had a 
diabetic guinea pig, a few one-eyed goldfish, AND a pearl scale goldfish-that 
couldn't swim-lived three years...had to be scooped up off the bottom of 
the tank to be fed each day, wiggled his way along the bottom, but couldn't 
float to save his life!  
   
  Anyway..sorry for ranting...I'm glad you and Romeo are doing so well!  Thanks 
again for the support!  Take care  God Bless.
  T

Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Haven’t chimed in too often lately but just want to offer 
another perspective.  Tamara  I were both looking for someplace for one of our 
cats—she for Simms, me for Big Boy.  We touched base with each other to compare 
notes  I remember when this all happened.  Being a total neophyte at this, I 
so appreciated some of the tips Tamara and other members of this group gave me. 
 I remember that what struck me was how frightening the whole process was.  I 
sort of had to take stranger’s word that they were going to take care of BB as 
well as I would have!  In these ‘travels’ looking for a new home for BB, I ran 
across some pretty scary people.  One local guy was the ‘collector’ for FELV+ 
cats that showed up in any rescue/shelter.  He never let anybody come to his 
home  simply picked up the cats in various parking lots.  When I talked to 
him, he made it clear that he had plenty of cats but would never let anyone 
even come to inspect, much less visit.  Now he may
 have been wonderful, but who knows??  But everyone raved about what a nice guy 
he was—how could responsible rescue/shelter workers recommend him so highly if 
they had never been there???
   
  As far as Rude Ranch, like everyone else, I suspect they are also 
overloaded—going to fosters sounds great but it takes a lot of work to monitor 
those fosters.  Sadly, my experience with BB search  w. my Katrina work, has 
shown that very few agencies/shelters/rescues ever take a look at their 
foster--many don’t even have a home visit to begin with—much less a visit after 
they receive animals.  I know that most fosters are GREAT situations—but it 
only takes one poor/marginal one to ruin it for everybody.  Tamara’s heads up 
to me way back then saved me a long trip down to Maryland, and more importandly 
saved me from making what could have been a bad placement for him…  
   
  Over the last few years, I’ve looked to this group for so much—and found that 
everybody could be open  honest here.  We need to give each other some clues 
when something doesn’t seem quite right…  So Tamara, thank you from me and from 
BB  (who by the way is now Romeo and sprawled out on my bed—so much for 
rehoming!)
   
Chris
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  -Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Rude Ranch
   
Hey, I understand.  I can understand where both the person who had 
volunteered to take Simms and Rude Ranch, are coming from.  RR has a business 
to protect for the sake of the animals under its care, and they can only 
continue if the people who entrust the animals to them continue to help pay for 
the cats care...I get that.  And I understand this woman who agreed to help me, 
doing so out of the goodness of her heart b/c of her love of animals...I 
understand and respect that.  As for the conditions on her farm and the charges 
under her care, since they were not up to MY standards, as I believe I would 
want to live, so I found another alternative for the charge under my care. 

 

While I believe that perhaps I should have alerted AC, I

Re: Rude Ranch

2007-02-06 Thread tamara stickler
MC wrote: so if we see good people getting in over their heads, or in temporary
trouble (sickness, having surgery, loss of volunteers or fosters), we
really need to help them out--in the end, it benefits everyone. it's
when people refuse to acknowledge or accept help that bells need to go
off. i'm not talking about folks who just don't want to burden others,
but those who flat-out refuse any assistance, insisting they can do it
themselves when clearly they cannot...
   
  I agree.  That's what scared me about the woman who originally agreed to take 
Simms.  After seeing her place, I called her back and told her I had five 
volunteers lined up who had agreed to come help her finish insulating the 
garage where she kept the felv+ cats, build new cat trees and levels for them 
and her healthy foster cats and even help her husband build the larger shed he 
told me he wanted to build for the healthy foster cats that she had.  I told 
her all her hubby had to do was get us a list of the materials he needed, give 
us a weekend or two when it would be good for them, and we'd be there.
   
  She declined.  Oh no, we are perfectly capable of handling this on our own, 
thank you.  We don't need any assistance.  (This from the woman who was 
telling me a week earlier that she could really use some help.)  Her husband 
talked to me when I went back to pick up Simms to place him with Anne and told 
me he really appreciated my offer to help, and wishes his wife would have 
accepted...but, she is just so driven...she can't help herself and its all I 
can do to keep up.  I really wish she'd cut back, but she'll do what she wants 
to.
   
  ...every time I see a news report about an animal collector whose been 
busted...I think it must be her...but not yet.  Perhaps she did accept 
SOMEONE'S offer to help.
   
  T

TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  well said.

what's really sad is that, with the in-fighting that goes on, people
are sometimes afraid to ask for help when they need it. or if they DO
ask for it, it's either used against them, or they don't receive it.

it IS hard to learn to know your own limits, to say 'no,' especially
when we do know what the alternative is, especially for the FIVs and
FeLVs. but if we burnt out, and don't care of ourselves, we ultimately
end up not being able to take care of ANY of them

so if we see good people getting in over their heads, or in temporary
trouble (sickness, having surgery, loss of volunteers or fosters), we
really need to help them out--in the end, it benefits everyone. it's
when people refuse to acknowledge or accept help that bells need to go
off. i'm not talking about folks who just don't want to burden others,
but those who flat-out refuse any assistance, insisting they can do it
themselves when clearly they cannot...

the only way this works is if we work together.

MC

On 2/5/07, Kelly L wrote:
 At 01:20 PM 2/5/2007, you wrote:


 Maybe just letting people know to really check out ANY place where
 you cat ends up...and make appointments to do follow ups, I
 personally do home checks when I adopt out any kitty or dog, and I do
 follow ups, One of my kitties. Little came back to me this week, I
 kept in very close touch with the adopters and it just wasn't working
 out so I went and got him,I thanked the very nice people for
 recognizing that it was not the best situationand making sure
 LITTLE cane home and of course refunded them the adoption feeand
 offered to let them come visit Little any time,
 All of this is time consuming but necessary.
 We have a local rescue I would not leave an animal atShe is
 overburdened and cannot say no,,I try to help her, and she does the
 very best she can, Would I turn her in or alert others.. I would
 never turn her in as the animals are fat and vetted and warm in the
 winter, It is not ideal, but beats the hell out of the
 alternativeThey are not caged and they are loved and she does
 work her butt off getting them adopted, Not to my standards, but then
 realizing there is a chance they get out and get hit by a car, Yup
 that could happen, or they could have been held in a shelter and then killed,
 We do our best, I see so much animosity amongst rescue groups it
 makes me sad sometimes,l
 Kelly


 here i go being terminally libra again--ON THE OTHER paw.
 
 this is a pretty closed list, with people particularly attuned to the
 needs of special-needs cats, so not as public as some.
 
 many, many of us in rescue had heard things about angel wings, and we
 did nothing. we didn't want to cause trouble, we didn't want to make
 false accusations about a place that had once been a really good
 place; we ignored a LOT of warning signs.
 
 there needs to be a middle ground between doing nothing, and rushing
 to judgment. i'm not sure what it is, but i don't want another angel
 wings. if you're in rescue, you CONSTANTLY hear of rescues and
 sanctuaries that turn out to be bad, and that fooled a lot of
 

RE: Rude Ranch-Chris

2007-02-06 Thread tamara stickler
I wish I knew too!  Maybe someday, SOMEONE will figure it out...

Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Well time went on and he just 
sort of made himself comfortable—and you know how that goes!
   
  Well the tussles between Romeo and Tucson make me really wish I could talk 
‘cat’ language!  The thing is that he is NEVER the aggressor.  The only time 
they start fighting is when she corners him.  Having been out on the street for 
so long, he’s better at it and she always gets the short end but that doesn’t 
stop her!  Never ever had that experience with cats before so it’s a real 
stumper!  He’s getting a little braver about coming into a room when she’s 
there but is she spots him, she usually lets him walk a couple of feet and then 
goes charging.  What’s really weird is that at meal time, he comes trotting out 
and will stand there and meow with the rest of them as I open the food and 
nobody goes after anybody else.  Or if a stranger comes in the apartment, they 
all go scurrying under one of the beds and will stay nose to nose for hours 
without so much as a hiss!  Go figure.
   
   
Chris
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  -Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Rude Ranch-Chris
   
Thanks Chris! 

 

I do think about Big Boy alot, and thought perhaps you had chosen to keep 
him.  Romeo is a good name for him!  

 

Sorry about having to keep him separated from your girl.  Once again we are 
treading the same path, as my most recent rescue does not get along with my 
female, Coebeio.  Coey absolutely hates him and growls at him until he, having 
had enough goes after her.  Since he's only about 1 or so, and oh, 3-4 lbs 
heaver than Coey (a senior), I too have to keep Tully locked behind three 
stacked babygates covering the doorway between my studio and the rest of the 
apt.  I was hoping that this would help the felines to get used to one 
anotherits been about 5 months now...and no go.  To make it worse...Tully 
is prone to urine infections  crystals and has asthmaooo here's yet 
ANOTHER foster animal that will be with me forever. 

 

HAI really think I must be doing something wrong!  I have friends who 
feed their cats and dogs crap (supermarket  Walmart brand food)let them 
come and go outside without supervisionHere I'm trying to feed my animals 
human-grade quality foods like Merrik and EVO...and each one of them has been a 
special needs critter...heart conditions, asthma, skin cancer, cancer, brain 
tumors, cat herpes, ibd, seizers, pancreitis attackshell...I even had a 
diabetic guinea pig, a few one-eyed goldfish, AND a pearl scale goldfish-that 
couldn't swim-lived three years...had to be scooped up off the bottom of 
the tank to be fed each day, wiggled his way along the bottom, but couldn't 
float to save his life!  

 

Anyway..sorry for ranting...I'm glad you and Romeo are doing so well!  
Thanks again for the support!  Take care  God Bless.

T

Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Haven’t chimed in too often lately but just want to offer another 
perspective.  Tamara  I were both looking for someplace for one of our 
cats—she for Simms, me for Big Boy.  We touched base with each other to compare 
notes  I remember when this all happened.  Being a total neophyte at this, I 
so appreciated some of the tips Tamara and other members of this group gave me. 
 I remember that what struck me was how frightening the whole process was.  I 
sort of had to take stranger’s word that they were going to take care of BB as 
well as I would have!  In these ‘travels’ looking for a new home for BB, I ran 
across some pretty scary people.  One local guy was the ‘collector’ for FELV+ 
cats that showed up in any rescue/shelter.  He never let anybody come to his 
home  simply picked up the cats in various parking lots.  When I talked to 
him, he made it clear that he had plenty of cats but would never let anyone 
even come to inspect, much less visit.  Now he may have been
 wonderful, but who knows??  But everyone raved about what a nice guy he 
was—how could responsible rescue/shelter workers recommend him so highly if 
they had never been there???

 

As far as Rude Ranch, like everyone else, I suspect they are also 
overloaded—going to fosters sounds great but it takes a lot of work to monitor 
those fosters.  Sadly, my experience with BB search  w. my Katrina work, has 
shown that very few agencies/shelters/rescues ever take a look at their 
foster--many don’t even have a home visit to begin with—much less a visit after 
they receive animals.  I know that most fosters are GREAT situations—but it 
only takes one poor/marginal one to ruin it for everybody.  Tamara’s heads up 
to me way back then saved me a long trip down to Maryland, and more importandly 
saved me from

RE: Rude Ranch

2007-02-06 Thread tamara stickler
Again, Leah,
   
  The description I relayed was not at Rude Ranch, but at the farm of a rescuer 
that claimed to be helping RR with fostering overflow cats...and yes, Bob Rude 
was the name of the person who I had contacted regarding placing Simms there 
before the other woman (mentioned above) volunteered to give him a forever 
home.  It is HER place I described.  I never visited RR.
   
  T

Wolf, Leah R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I have been reading the many messages concerning Rude Ranch with
considerable interest since I seem to have opened up discussion about RR.
Admittedly I have had only one experience and that was my recent adoption of
one of their felv+ cats. It may well be that there were problems in the
past. I have a feeling that some of the less-than-positive experiences go
back several years ago, to the time before Bob and Kathy Rude moved to the
very large house they now run as a shelter/sanctuary. The descriptions
provided in a number of the e-mails do not match what I saw during my visit
on December 22, 2006.

The pictures posted on their web page, http://www.ruderanch.org, are an
accurate depiction of what I saw.


Leah
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Rude Ranch

unfortunately, from what you saw, and what her husband said, she most
probably did NOT accept any help. and, sadly, it probably will come to the
point where she'll be on the news one day... this is when the now-trendy
concept of intervention comes in at least the husband recognizes there's
a problem too many times there IS that martyr complex, and the piece of
the classic hoarder/collector syndrome where the people really believe that
only they are able to truly care for the critters in the correct way.

i don't know what the answer is; at what point our responsibility as
rescuers and guardians of the animals kicks in, and others' rights to
privacy ends.

MC



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RE: Rude Ranch-Chris--Tamara o/t

2007-02-06 Thread tamara stickler
Ah yes...I suppose it would...with the exception of the fact that it didn't end 
well for ol' Frick...but I suppose I COULD change thathehe..hmm...should I 
begin that career by lying to children...HA!  
   
  I'll think about it.  Thanks! ;-)

MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey Tamara
  I'm just dipping in here...haven't read anything else today yetbut I love 
the story of how you looked after your little goldfish for 3 years--just read 
it out to my co-worker--Tamara, weren't you the listmember who had some 
children's book ideas up her sleevemy co-worker reckons (as I do) that the 
goldfish who couldn't swim would make a great book! 
  
  -Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: Rude Ranch-Chris


  Thanks Chris! 
   
  I do think about Big Boy alot, and thought perhaps you had chosen to keep 
him.  Romeo is a good name for him!  
   
  Sorry about having to keep him separated from your girl.  Once again we are 
treading the same path, as my most recent rescue does not get along with my 
female, Coebeio.  Coey absolutely hates him and growls at him until he, having 
had enough goes after her.  Since he's only about 1 or so, and oh, 3-4 lbs 
heaver than Coey (a senior), I too have to keep Tully locked behind three 
stacked babygates covering the doorway between my studio and the rest of the 
apt.  I was hoping that this would help the felines to get used to one 
anotherits been about 5 months now...and no go.  To make it worse...Tully 
is prone to urine infections  crystals and has asthmaooo here's yet 
ANOTHER foster animal that will be with me forever. 
   
  HAI really think I must be doing something wrong!  I have friends who 
feed their cats and dogs crap (supermarket  Walmart brand food)let them 
come and go outside without supervisionHere I'm trying to feed my animals 
human-grade quality foods like Merrik and EVO...and each one of them has been a 
special needs critter...heart conditions, asthma, skin cancer, cancer, brain 
tumors, cat herpes, ibd, seizers, pancreitis attackshell...I even had a 
diabetic guinea pig, a few one-eyed goldfish, AND a pearl scale goldfish-that 
couldn't swim-lived three years...had to be scooped up off the bottom of 
the tank to be fed each day, wiggled his way along the bottom, but couldn't 
float to save his life!  
   
  Anyway..sorry for ranting...I'm glad you and Romeo are doing so well!  Thanks 
again for the support!  Take care  God Bless.
  T

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Haven’t chimed in too often lately but just want to offer another perspective.  
Tamara  I were both looking for someplace for one of our cats—she for
 Simms, me for Big Boy.  We touched base with each other to compare notes  I 
remember when this all happened.  Being a total neophyte at this, I so 
appreciated some of the tips Tamara and other members of this group gave me.  I 
remember that what struck me was how frightening the whole process was.  I sort 
of had to take stranger’s word that they were going to take care of BB as well 
as I would have!  In these ‘travels’ looking for a new home for BB, I ran 
across some pretty scary people.  One local guy was the ‘collector’ for FELV+ 
cats that showed up in any rescue/shelter.  He never let anybody come to his 
home  simply picked up the cats in various parking lots.  When I talked to 
him, he made it clear that he had plenty of cats but would never let anyone 
even come to inspect, much less visit.  Now he may have been wonderful, but who 
knows??  But everyone raved about what a nice guy he was—how could responsible 
rescue/shelter workers recommend him so highly if they had
 never been there???
   
  As far as Rude Ranch, like everyone else, I suspect they are also 
overloaded—going to fosters sounds great but it takes a lot of work to monitor 
those fosters.  Sadly, my experience with BB search  w. my Katrina work, has 
shown that very few agencies/shelters/rescues ever take a look

Re: Rude Ranch-Chris--Tamara o/t

2007-02-06 Thread tamara stickler
HEHEE... hey, LOVE that qote of your's...I Just took notice of it: Spay  
Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference


TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  heck, everyone ELSE lies to 
children.

On 2/6/07, tamara stickler wrote:
 Ah yes...I suppose it would...with the exception of the fact that it didn't
 end well for ol' Frick...but I suppose I COULD change
 thathehe..hmm...should I begin that career by lying to children...HA!

 I'll think about it. Thanks! ;-)


 MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:


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Re: Rude Ranch -WARNING

2007-02-05 Thread tamara stickler
Yes, Rude Ranch does LOOK like a great place...BUT: 
   
  I attempted to place a cat at Rude Ranch a few years back, committing to the 
monthly support fee needed to surrender.  My first choice for the felv + stray 
I had rescued was an actual home, not an institution, so when a woman called 
and offered to give this cat a HOME, I jumped at the chance without visiting 
her place first (she came highly recommended by various rescues..), so I turned 
the spot that they had made room for down to place with this individual 
instead.  
   
  When I got to her place, she, while very well intentioned, was an animal 
horder.  She agreed to take fosters in from various organizations, (Grey Hound 
Rescue...Rude Ranch...etc..), where she cared for them on her farm, with her 
husband, without any monetary support from these rescues that depended on her 
(so she said).  
   
  The garage where she was housing her felv+ cats (she had she had said at the 
time 5-by the time I got mine there, there were 10) was an absolutely 
FILTHY...dirt and hair everywhere...exposed insulation  beamwork, food bowls 
that looked as if they hadn't been washed in months...urine soaked 
everything..the smell was beyond deplorableand it was the dead of WINTER.  
The great levels the cats had to climb on were rusty metal shelving.  The 
floor was covered in plywood and while there were 3 space heaters in the 
garage, and it did have garage door windows...but it was aweful.  As I told her 
I had turned down Rude Ranch even tho they had just made a space for (Simms) 
she interrupted...Oh, that must be why I got this one from them the other day 
(pointing to a white persuain laying on a ratty blanket on one of the rusty 
shelves).  
   
  I had asked her if she received financial help for the cats they dumped on 
her, she didn't...and was a bit ticked to learn that they charge monthly for 
careI wonder if they are still charging for the ones they've brought 
me...or perhaps that's why I have them now, their people stopped paying???
   
  I don't have intimate knowledge of the workings or Rude Ranch...but,,,the 
fact that if you are coming to visit they insist that you phone and schedule 
your visit a week before-hand (what they told me when I was considering using 
them for Simms) makes me wonder if they have to FIND the cat you surrendered 
before you come back to visit )  
   
  I've had TOO many bad run-ins with WONDERFUL organizations to believe 
everything I see on tv or read in the paper. I'm sure they are all trying their 
best, but
   
  Rude Ranch may be wonderful...but I have to honestly wonder.
   
  fyi:  I eventually placed Simms with another person in a REAL home 
environment.. .  And don't get me wrong about her...she was/is trying her 
best...but dear God..you've GOT to know when to say when...Neither her or her 
husband could tell me how many cats and dogs they had housed on the 
property...prop. just over a hundred.  I have to wonder at rescue 
organizations that over-burdened themselves, are over-burdening other 
volunteersto make themselves look good?
   
  T

Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Leah,
Thank you for the link to Rude Ranch. What a great place. Quite the 
inspiration.
Nina

Wolf, Leah R. wrote:
 Phaewryn,

 The web address is http://www.ruderanch.org. Bob and Kathy Rude run 
 quite a place. Some of their cats wouldn't last a second at a 
 publicly-funded shelter due to medical diagnoses such as felv+ or 
 congenital or other disabilities. Bob and Kathy live at the home 
 with all of their furry children.


 Leah
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 To: 
 Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 9:22 PM
 Subject: Re: Bandit is NEGATIVE--Animal Planet (rude ranch)


 does rude animal ranch have a website?

 Phaewryn

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Re: Rude Ranch

2007-02-05 Thread tamara stickler
Hey, I understand.  I can understand where both the person who had volunteered 
to take Simms and Rude Ranch, are coming from.  RR has a business to protect 
for the sake of the animals under its care, and they can only continue if the 
people who entrust the animals to them continue to help pay for the cats 
care...I get that.  And I understand this woman who agreed to help me, doing so 
out of the goodness of her heart b/c of her love of animals...I understand and 
respect that.  As for the conditions on her farm and the charges under her 
care, since they were not up to MY standards, as I believe I would want to 
live, so I found another alternative for the charge under my care. 
   
  While I believe that perhaps I should have alerted AC, I didn't because she 
IS working with all these other rescue organizations.  All these places, 
people, who start with the best of intentions do good work.  The level of 
good is relative to each individual's personal reality.  
   
  IF what she had said was true about RR shifting cats onto her, which she 
seemed very proud of- to be able to help...I felt it MIGHT help someone reading 
about RR to understand that there may be a POSSIBILITY that a cat placed with 
them, might not stay with them, and if sent away, might not wind up in a place 
as nice as their's.  I admitted in my e-mail that I had no personal knowledge 
of the workings of Rude Ranch, only relayed my experience with someone who 
claimed to...and because she knew them by name and seemed joyed to help them  
because several other rescue operations I had spoken to recommended her to me, 
I had no reason to believe that she wasn't telling me the truth.  
   
  But as saying even the least little thing bad about a place can cause harm, 
so can saying a place is wonderful 
   
  My only intention with my original post was to caution.  I know I have 
dropped animals at WONDERFUL shelters in the past, places I personally 
supported financially for years...then eventually volunteered there only to 
learn awful things about the running of the organizations (again...NOT 
referring to Rude Ranch, I've never been THERE)but...If a place seems TOO 
wonderful, its often too easy to reliquish the care of a beloved animal to it 
and not feel any guilt.  Whereas IF all the facts were researched, perhaps a 
better place/person could be found if just given a little more time and 
research.
   
  I had/have no intention to villify people who care and are trying to 
help...even when they've lost their way.  EDUCATION to those trying to place 
felv+ cats is the best security for the animals, whether education on the 
disease itself, or on HOW to investigate anyone or place where one might leave 
an animal who is trusting you to care for them.
   
  I never said RR was bad, or absolutely did shift animals onto an overloaded 
foster home, I just relayed what little information I personaly heard from 
someone who claimed to have a good, working relationship with RR.  So that if 
anyone had seen them on Animal Planet they wouldn't automatically assume them 
to be the be-all-end-all (which they may actually be-who knows) just because 
they were on tv.  Speaking as a rescuer myself, who is more than willing to 
help others ...I prefer to do so when they've exhausted all other avenues...and 
NOT be their first call...being too good at what you do, can get you in WAY 
over your head.
   
  T
   
   
  

TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  exactly. it only takes one person with their own agenda to cause
irreparable harm.

we were once contacted by someone who wanted us to take her two FeLVs,
from quite a distance away. as FeLVs don't do really well on long
transports, we tried to work with her on more local options. every
place she went to, she found major fault with, yet every time we tried
to set up transport arrangements with her, she has one excuse after
another about why it wouldn't/couldn't work. i had many long emails
and phone calls with her, and finally, she just stopped responding.

about two months later, she started posting hissterical messages about
these same two cats on the lists. again, i wrote and reminded her that
we were willing to take them--on the lists, she wrote really nasty
letters about how i'd never responded to her before, and that if it
had been up to me, those cats would have been dead by now, then she
went on about how she wasn't going to send them to a place where the
cats lived in cages in tiny rooms all their lives--which was not at
all the case where we were--i'd sent her many photos of our
facilities. when i reminded her, off list, of our phone calls and
emails, she went back on the lists, saying that i was harassing her
and that she was going to tell everyone to have nothing to do with our
sanctuary and that if she ever heard from me again she'd report me for
stalking i reported HER to all the lists she was posting on,
actually.and considered sending her the bill for the 

Re: Rude Ranch

2007-02-05 Thread tamara stickler
Thanks Nina,
   
  I thought that perhaps the issue I initiated was begining to escalate and 
just wanted to dead-end any path that might lead to hard feelings.  It has 
never been, nor will it ever be my intention to cause distress or negative 
emotions to bubble over on the list.
   
  Thanks for understanding.
  T

Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Tamara,
I certainly appreciate your taking the time to post to the list about 
your personal experience with RR. Your language and tact was in no way 
interpreted, (certainly not by me) as a definitive slam on them 
personally. You were very clear about your involvement. It started a 
lively discussion that I think anyone considering placing an animal will 
benefit from. Most of the people on this list, if not all, take our 
responsibility to the animals we rescue very seriously. A little 
reminder to take a thorough look under the rug is a good thing.
Nina

tamara stickler wrote:
 Hey, I understand. I can understand where both the person who had 
 volunteered to take Simms and Rude Ranch, are coming from. RR has a 
 business to protect for the sake of the animals under its care, and 
 they can only continue if the people who entrust the animals to them 
 continue to help pay for the cats care...I get that. And I understand 
 this woman who agreed to help me, doing so out of the goodness of her 
 heart b/c of her love of animals...I understand and respect that. As 
 for the conditions on her farm and the charges under her care, since 
 they were not up to MY standards, as I believe I would want to live, 
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Re: Mylo's Passing

2007-02-01 Thread tamara stickler
Chris, I'm so so sorry.  I know you want Mylo back...I can't stop thinkin' I 
want my Schatzi back toobut as a friend of mine has told me...they really 
hasn't gone anywhere...still with you only now, instead of being under hand, 
(he's) in your heart.
   
  God Bless and bring you peace.
  T


  
--- Chris Ramzy wrote:

 Thank you all for your support. I took Mylo to his
 vet appointment 
 yesterday. I was nervous with a pit in my stomach.
 Mylo seemed subdued, 
 almost like he knew why he was there and that he was
 ready to let go. His 
 little frail body lay on a blanket on the metal
 table. His head still up. 
 The vet gave him a sedative to relax him and within
 10 minutes it had shown 
 it's effect on Mylo. His tiny head slowly drooped
 down to where his nose was 
 touching the blanket he lay on. My spouse and I
 continuously stroked Mylo's 
 head, neck and paws. The vet came back in to
 administer the leathal needle. 
 The vet checked Mylo for a heart beat and told us
 Mylo had passed. My spouse 
 and I stayed with Mylo privately in the room. We
 said our goodbyes and gave 
 Mylo a kiss on his head as that was my favourite
 place to kiss him. It was 
 difficult as we walked out of the room and I looked
 back at his motionless 
 body. It hurt to leave him there. When we got home
 we talked a lot about 
 Mylo. I cleaned out his litter box and put his
 dishes in the dishwasher. I 
 slept with the blanket that I took him to the vet
 in. It was difficult for 
 us to fall asleep. Even though I knew what we did
 was right for Mylo because 
 of the state he was in, I just wanted him back. In
 the end, I tried my best 
 to help him. I loved him and cared for him like he
 was my child.
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Kelly L 
 Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Mylo
 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 17:23:33 -0800
 
 Chris, I am so very sorry you had to Mylo go, What
 a wonderful 
 compassionate thing you have done for your baby.
 You were his voice and his 
 heart when he could not speak for himself. Today
 you are full of sadness, 
 but there is that seed of joy somewhere inside you
 that will grow because 
 you have brought an end to all of Mylos pain, The
 very best gift you have 
 given.
 Kelly
 
 
 

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Re: OT Anyone care to take a shot at this question? -TRY NOT TO JUDGE

2007-01-17 Thread tamara stickler
Why not ask him to foster?  Short term care will allow him to know if he really 
wants a cat or not...or can afford one.  I'd be leary to adopt one of mine to 
him...but wouldn't rule it completely outpeople do and can grow.  (I've 
been unemployed and know how scarry that can be...sometimes turning an animal 
back into a shelter, as horrible as it is...is more humane than dumping it 
(most people don't know about rescues...or how to get in contact with 
them...then just try finding a good one that has room and will agree to take 
the cat...heck, I've met numberous people that didn't realize pounds actually 
KILLED the unwanted animals- God's truth!)...or having it euthanized right 
off...if you wind up on the streets...what kind of a life is THAT for someone 
you love?  
   
  If he IS to adopt again, it should be from a rescuer and not a shelter...that 
way the rescuer can stay in touch.  I ALWAYS offer to take an animal I've 
adopted out, back, at ANY TIME during their lives, no judgement on the adopter. 
 Its hard, but that way I KNOW the whereabouts of the animal...I also keep in 
touch as much as possible.  Cards every year...or a phone call, e-mails hi 
Anne!, give and get info. everytime one of them or myself moves.  Its 
difficult, but...its worked out well for most of my ex-charges.  I still know 
the whereabouts of about 70% of themand have re-homed approx. 5% of that 
70%.  And yes, I worry about the other 30%..but, we can only do what we can 
do
   
  Please don't reply with any kind of seemingly self-rightous, or judgemental 
answer.  We can not educate the public if we come off holier-than-thou and 
belittle them.  All that serves is making us (rescuers) look like nuts and 
those who actually thought to seek advice (a GOOD sign really)...once turned 
away in that manner, will be adverse to seek out advice in the future for fear 
of belittlement and will just continue to repeat the ol' love-um  leave-um 
patterns...making more work for us in the future.
   
  Good luck.
  T

Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I would not adopt to him if he dumped the cat.  I am just trying to figure 
out how to answer his question - is being lonely a good reason to adopt a cat?  
I guess my question is what happens if he gets a girlfriend and is no longer 
lonely, is the cat going to end up ignored? 

  On 1/17/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 08:37 AM 1/17/2007, you 
wrote:


STRANGE INDEED. I would find out where this person got rid of the cat and if it 
was the SPCA  should never be adopted out ot, My response would be
Please take that love and go volunteer at the shelter . 
Kelly lane


This is an email I got.  I've been thinking about how to respond for a 
while and still can't figure it out.
 
iHi,

This may seem odd, but I figured you guys would 
probably know best.  I want to be a cat owner.  I'm
27, a professional with no life in sight, and I love
cats.  I grew up with cats, back on my parents ranch, 
and simply adore them.  I'd adopt one without any 
hesitation except for one problem.

I adopted a cat before, and had to take him back to
the rescue shelter I got him from.  After almost 2
years with him it was very heart breaking, but I had 
lost my job, and the Bay Area of California is a 
fairly unforgiving place economically.  My only close
friend (we both moved there from Boerne, TX) said I
could live with him and his girlfriend, but that I
couldn't bring my cat.  It still brings tears to my 
eyes when I think about him, as I truly did love him.
I couldn't provide for him and had to give him up.  I
like to think that he's somewhere warm and nice, and 
that his new owners give him as much love and care as 
I did.  My mother, who is a fanatical cat lover,
almost disowned me, and will still cry about it.

Anyway, as I've said, I'm alone, and want to adopt a 
cat to have someone to love, basically.  I just don't 
know if that's a valid/healthy/good reason to want to
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Re: Sanctuaries

2007-01-16 Thread tamara stickler
WATCH POOR SPELLING!  HUGE RED FLAG  A PROFESSIONAL sanctuary will have 
PROFESSIONAL coorespondance!
   
  I posted a cat on Petfinder only to be contacted by someone whose employer 
wants to adopt my pet as a gift for his wifethe story was that the guy 
owned a car lot somewhere south and would pay to have the cat 
transported...Much of the e-mail was mis-spelled ...and had poor 
punctuation.  I replied to the writter that I was certain he was a broker (most 
likely adopting free to a good home or inexpensive adoption fee animals to 
sell to universities...unrep. labs...or just for bait in fighting) 
mentioned something about hoping his member dropped off, and hit send. 
   
  Never accept someone else's assessement of a sanctuary.  Far too many of them 
get good reviews from rescuers and animal rescue organizations that have, 
although entrusted animals into their care, have never actuallly visited them 
in person.  Too many of these organizations  or people, start with the best 
intentions then become overwhelmed COLLECTORS.  
   
  ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS visit them yourselfor do not send an animal there. 
 (I am speaking from FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE!)
   
  Good luck.
  T

TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  the no website/petfinder site is a bigger red flag for me, for tiger
ranch, than haven acres' not turning anyone away they're new, and
since we don't know their capacity, they may well have room. they
don't have very many cats listed on their petfinder page--far fewer
than many rescues--so they may well be taking in mostly adoptables and
turning them over.

what concerns me about them, however, is that nowhere do they talk
about being a special-needs sanctuary--which, obviously, FeLV (and
some think, FIV) cats certainly are. they say that all their
adoptables are FIV/FeLV neg, so they aren't adopting them out. what
they say is that, Cats that are less adoptable due to age,
temperment, or color have a safe, loving home at the sanctuary for the
rest of there lives. grammar and spelling aside, no reference to
disability or ongoing medical conditions at all makes me nervous,
personally.



On 1/16/07, Susan Hoffman wrote:
 No personal knowledge on any of them. However, I did a little quick
 research:

 Tiger Ranch reports 0 income and 0 assets and apparently hasnt filed a
 return since 2004.
 http://www.taxexemptworld.com/organization.asp?tn=228853
 You may want to check further on their stability and compliance with laws
 relating to maintaining their non-profit status. Apparently no website or
 PetFinder site either.

 Rikki's Refuge looks like it might be worthwhile. From their website,
 Rikki's Refuge welcomes visitors to their sanctuary. That's always a good
 sign. http://www.rikkisrefuge.org

 Haven Acres has only been around since 2003. They claim never to turn
 anyone away. (Red flag.) They have a lot of cats listed on PetFinder and
 claim to feed exclusively Science Diet (no doubt the free to shelters and
 rescues program where you pay only shipping).
 http://www.petfinder.com/shelters/FL644.html I would be
 concerned that they are stretched too thin and this might not be a stable
 situation.




 Gussies mom wrote:

 Has anyone any first hand info or heard anything good or bad about the
 following sanctuaries:

 Tiger Ranch PA - We are sending 3 FeLV catsd there from a hoarding case
 Rikkis Refuge - VA
 Haven Acres FL

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Re: OT - Help, aggressive cat

2007-01-02 Thread tamara stickler
Kelley,
   
  Do you wear any scentsor are you a smoker?  It may take her a while to 
get used to your smellor lack of if her owner used perfume or smoked.

Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, I don't think she is feral at all.  Her ex-guardian had her since 8 
weeks of age, per the medical records she gave me.  (she's had WAY too many 
shots, IMHO - the vet we have inside Petsmart here seems to be quite the ripoff 
joint).  
   
  She doesn't seem to like my voice, she bares her teeth and hisses at me when 
she hears it.
   
  Seems pretty indifferent to other cats so far (I shoo them out when they go 
in her room, but she pays no mind to them).

 
  On 12/31/06, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keep in mind that 
apparently she's not feral, just terrified.  Give her time, and try tasty stuff 
(like the fried chicken - great idea). Talk to her soothingly.   
 
  Gloria

 
  
 
  
On Dec 31, 2006, at 6:28 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

  Oh, she also hasn't eaten since she got here.  I have tried her regular food 
(they brought the remains of a bag over), pill pockets (with no pills in them - 
my cats love them), freeze dried shrimp, yucky Pounce treats, and canned food.  
Next I am going to try tuna.  There's no way I can syringe her, and I can't get 
her to a vet without trapping her, which usually involves food.  So I just have 
to hope that she eats, I guess.  Judging from my cats, maybe I should try white 
bread - they think that is the best thing going! 

  On 12/31/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:   Not only can I not 
touch her ears, I can't get closer than about a foot and a half without being 
in danger of losing a finger.  

  On 12/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   If you are 
able to touch her ears, I would ask the vet to prescribe benadryl to be 
compounded at a compounding pharmacy into transdermal cream to rub inside her 
ear.  My Patches has been on this for years for anxiety.  She was prescribed it 
because she was pulling her fur out of her belly and back legs, and the 
benadryl stopped that. But she also used to go after the other cats, and the 
benadryl pretty much stopped that too. If I forget to give it to her, it is 
noticeable because she goes after Lucy and sometimes even me. With the benadryl 
she is pretty much fine. It does not seem to make her groggy at all-- she is 
quite perky and energetic-- but just takes the edge off I guess. 
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Re: Jimi Too Cool problem

2006-12-18 Thread tamara stickler
Anne,
   
  Sorry I didn't see your post until this morning.  How are things today?
   
  In answer to your question, yes, MANY animals go off to be on their own when 
they are about to die.  As a hospice nurse for my Aunt Marge explained...(in 
regard to her..) if you need to be with her, just keep still next to her, or 
if you have to touch...rest your hand, don't move it.  Its better for the 
departing if you are still and silent because each time you speak, or stroke, 
you force them to refocus on this world...instead of what they have to do, 
where they are going.  That's why many animals run off to be on their own to 
pass into the next life, it makes it easier to do so without the earthly 
distractions.
   
  God Bless you and Jimmi Too Cool.  Know that you are in my prayers..always.
   
  HUGS
   
  Love, 
  Tamara

anne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi everyone,
 My Jimi Too Cool, 10 year old black domestic shorthair with feline 
leukemia, is in his last stage of life, I am sure.  He has been slowly going 
downhill.  He is just bones with fur and won't eat.  His pain is controlled 
with depo-medrol and tramadol and he is not in distress, pain is under control, 
but he mostly just sleeps a lot.  Well, tonight he made a break for it and went 
outside and won't come in and it is at freezing temp now.  32 degrees, I 
believe.  No wind, though.  I have cat-fence-in so he is not straying but I 
can't reach him.  Every time I go out to try and bring him in, he runs for 
cover under the deck.  
   
 Have any of you run into this problem?  I have heard that cats and dogs 
like to go outside to die.  Could that be it, I wonder?  I am so worried about 
him as he is so skinny and he is not used to this cold weather.  He can come 
in, though, if he would like, as I put the cat door back into the window, just 
for him, although I had it stowed for the cold weather until spring.  I am 
trying to relax because I know he could come in if he wanted to so he must not 
mind it outside.  Sigh
   
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Re: Prayers needed for Bandy

2006-12-18 Thread tamara stickler
Kerry, 
   
  Know that you and Brandy have our heartfelt prayers!
   
  God Bless and be with you both.
  T

Kerry Roach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi everyone,
  My Bandy has been very sick this week..First, we are still fighting the 
ringworm, but it is our least worry for now..He starting getting limp in one 
rear leg as he did back in the summer..So I took him in on Tues. and he 
received basically same treatment as in the summer...He got some dex, adequan, 
B vit inj, and torbutrol for pain..His temp was 103.5 which is the highest it 
has been since Aug..he did seem to respond as he came home, ate ok and 
drank...climbed up on his tower and would purr and talk to me..Then on Fri. or 
really late Thurs night, he wouldn't eat at all or move about much..So I took 
him back to the doctor Fri afternoon...His temp was still around 103 which 
could explain the bad appetite, but I didn't know what else to do and still 
don't...
  So the vet tech called the Doctor since she is off on Fri..we ran a complete 
blood chem and profile and thyroid...He hasn't had all that since June so we 
were due...It didn't help us much either...Surprising enough his PCV was 37.5 
which is great...the WBC was low normal...some other blood values grans and 
monocytes were off which I don't know what all that means..his platlets were 
very low...Anyone know anything about that
  I'm really scared for him now...He doesn't seem to have URI or UTI and no 
mouth ulcers..no stomach trouble either..He did have a loose stool couple of 
times the other day. Probably from all the meds on Tues..
  I can't get him to eat...I have tried everything...He will eat a few bites at 
 a time and won't drink any broth either..I don't know what else to 
try...Please let me know what you all think.
  He also got 250cc subq fluids..today and 2 different antibiotic injections 
along with 5mg pred which we are going on for a week..and if he won't eat I am 
to up it to 10mg..also oxazepam for appetite stimulant...
  Please keep him in your prayers..
  I hope all your kitties are doing well...we send head butts to all..
  Kerry, Bandy and Inky
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Re: ot: A little holiday cheer

2006-12-05 Thread tamara stickler
HEY, thanks for the link!  I was looking for this!  Wanted to send it to a 
family that I placed a cat with this summer!  You read my mind!  too FUNNY!

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Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed

2006-11-13 Thread tamara stickler
Kelly, Sounds like someone is just trying to make your life a living hell. Some people just hate animals and think those of us who go out of our way to help them are nuts, and they are going to proove it to us by embarrasing us every chance they get.There are bullies in the office place too!If you have a humane resource manager, just explain what is going on, the steps you've undertaken to protect your co-workers from undesired odors, and ask for help. If someone is having a problem with your "smell" they need to be allowed to move to another part of the office. If you are taking all necessary precautions, and this "someone" is still complaining, perhaps this someone is having auditory hallucinations and needs to seek counseling. (It happens.)If you want to be a smarta** buy a jar of Vicks vapor rub and give it to your
 HR person to give to the one who is doing all the complaining. They use itin mortuaries to help cover the odor of rotting corpesjust have the complainer dab a small bit under each nostril...surely that would work for your highly sensitivepain in the patutie coworker. sorry...couldn't resistIf there is nothing in your office's Conduct Code mentioning odors, your coworker has no leg to stand on. If there ARE rules in your office's Conduct Code, once you follow them, you are under no committment to do more than what is specified in the rules. If your coworker still has a problem, it is up to the boss or the H.R. admin to address it with THEM...and is no longer your responsibility.(I rescued a stray dog one day on my way to school fed her and took her to class -art college-dogs were allowed in the studios- she was very quite and stayed still (mostly slept)the whole 6
 hours, but one little so and so kept complaining about her being there. He finally raised a ruckus about how badly she stank! Almost in tears, I was starting to lead her out -I was going to leave class early to take her to the pound- when a fellow classmate spoke up and enlighted the annoyed party to the fact that he was painting a watercolor on watercolor paper...MOST of which are treated with rabbit skin glue...and yes, IT stinks when wet. The stink was ACTUALLYcoming from HIM. The rest of the class chimed in and the little twitt finally shut up about it.)Ask your boss or HR rep. if the offensive odor your coworker is smelling might actually be coming from his/her own space...perhaps rancid food forgotten in the desk?In any rate, thank the twitt for his or her imput and suggest that he/she find a way to deal with it.Good luck, 
 TKelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Well, someone just called me in to the conference room and said I smelled like a litter box. I pulled this dress out of the washer this morning. It was washed in 1 cup white vinegar plus detergent plus oxyclean. There is no way it was peed on unless the cats got in the washer and peed on it. I don't know what to do.   On 11/11/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   My vet prescribed .1 ml per 10 lb of cat. He did prescribe it for the kittens, but they are older kittens - 7 and 8 months. Hope that helps:) On 11/11/06, Precious Pets, Almost Home [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:   dear Kelley:What dosage per pound do you medicate?Is Panacur okto use on kittens?I have never used it before.I have always use Flagy instead.Thanks!Precious Pets--- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: Panacur worked well for me..1 ml per day for 3  days, then I am to repeat in 3 weeks.Which is next week now.
 On 11/10/06, Susan Hoffman  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:So how did you get your giardia under control? I'm doing metronidazole  and panacur right now, and desperately trying to get the adoptables ready   for adoption.*Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:I *KNOW* my house stinks.I had a giardia outbreak, and even though it is  over they have decided the floor is a better place  to poop than the  litterbox.At least it is solid now.I am gone  from home 8-10 hours a day  at work and they wreak
 havoc.I never let anyone come over unless they are  a very, very close friend.   I'm steam cleaning the carpets again this  weekend...On 11/10/06, Nina  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I know it's not funny, but I'm laughing at the thought that we've found   one more thing we all share in common:   WE STINK!I too have become accustomed to the  fragrances of my   animals.I'm always asking trusted visitors, does my house stink??Maybe   we should have T shirts printed up, "If you can smell Cat, then you're tooclose!"   Nina
 Susan Hoffman wrote: A hook and eye latch type lock is cheap and effective.I started doingthis because one of my own little gremlins, Trixie, loved to go into the   closet and remove EVERYTHING from all the shelves. *tamara stickler  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Nina and others have mentioned keeping closet  doors closed.But you may   need to

Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed

2006-11-10 Thread tamara stickler
Nina and others have mentioned keeping closet doors closed. But you may need to do more than that. I currently have a foster cat that is VERY adept at opening closet doors...aaand locking himself inside. (I've nicknamed him Tully after the character Lewis Tully in Ghostbusters who kept doing the same thing!) It's not that he Can't get outits just more fun to sit in there and howl until I come looking for him. My point being...you may want to rig the closet doors to be certain the cats can't possibly open them...Remember, they're cats..they're SNEAKY!!!Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if one of your little angels is marking your closet. I'd get in there and make sure everything smells fresh and then keep those doors closed!   Kelley Saveika wrote: My
 supervisor just called me in for a meeting and apparently people  have been complaining that I smell like cat urine.  I do have some sprayers. I wash my clothes with Oxyclean and I bathe  every day, of course. I have only smelled cat urine on myself once  and then I was aware of it.  Could I smell bad and not know it? --  Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 


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Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed

2006-11-10 Thread tamara stickler
Sounds like Ember may have a nerve problem in the ol' endzone. Ever have her checked for sensitivity back thereshe might not even feel it when she has to poop?Just a thoughtSusan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Ember -- my depo-medrol boy with chronic skin allergies -- will pee in the box but poop on the linoleum near the back door (this is the laundry room where we have several boxes). This was wearing on meuntil Hannah arrived. A sweet little former momcat who will poop wherever she stands. I don't get it. The poop is solid. She's a nice cat. No one picks on her. We have 6 boxes in 3 different parts of the house, scooped twice daily. She hasn't a vindictive or nasty bone in her body. She was spayed months
 ago so it isn't hormonal. It's like she just doesn't understand the litterbox. (Any thoughts/suggestions? She is FIV+ but I don't think that has anything to do with it.) I'm thinking about confining her to a codo cage at night and when we aren't home, and keeping an eye on her when we are around so I can catch her in the act and carry her -- poop plopping as we go -- to the nearest litter box, where of course she will be praised like she had just uncovered the key to attaining worlkd peace.I wish Hannah was more like Ember.Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Wish Leader would find the bathtub!! I am so lucky to have him alive that I just can't get mad at him -- but it is frustrating when there are litterboxes in every room and he doesn't use them -- except
 rarely! His latest spot was a corner of a tile bathroom -- not a bad spot...except that I went in there the other day and there was wet all over the floor -- I thought somebody'd fallen in the toilet and dripped water all over, but no, following Leader's poop example, the whole household decided to pee in there. You would think pee on tile would be easy to get clean but I swear I can't get the smell out!TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ah, yes, the infamous squirts... the one i have doing that now, tho, hasthe incredible kindness to do so in the bathtub, so it's easy to clean up  On 11/10/06, Susan Loesch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:   And I have Leader, who is really my little miracle boy -- he was born feleuk positive and is almost 5 yrs old -- having outlived all his littermates by a lot. I call him my little "squat and squirt" boy -- he has recurring diarrhea that I don't think I am ever going to clear up. He just walks along and when he has to go, squats and squirts. Rarely in the litterbox! Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   I *KNOW* my house stinks. I had a giardia outbreak, and even though it is over they have decided the floor is a better place
 to poop than the litterbox. At least it is solid now. I am gone from home 8-10 hours a day at work and they wreak havoc. I never let anyone come over unless they are a very, very close friend. I'm steam cleaning the carpets again this weekend...  On 11/10/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it's not funny, but I'm laughing at the thought that we've found one more thing we all share in common:WE STINK! I too have become accustomed to the fragrances of my animals. I'm always asking trusted visitors, does my house stink?? Maybe
 we should have T shirts printed up, "If you can smell Cat, then you're too close!" Nina   Susan Hoffman wrote:   A hook and eye latch type lock is cheap and effective. I started doing this because one of my own little gremlins, Trixie, loved to go into the closet and remove EVERYTHING from all the shelves. tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Nina and others have mentioned keeping closet doors closed. But you may need to do more than that. I currently have a foster cat that is VERY adept at opening closet doors...aaand locking himself inside. (I've nicknamed him Tully after the
 character Lewis Tully in Ghostbusters who kept doing the same thing!) It's not that he Can't get outits just more fun to sit in there and howl until I come looking for him. My point being...you may want to rig the closet doors to be certain the cats can't possibly open them...Remember, they're cats..they're SNEAKY!!!Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering if one of your little angels is marking your closet. I'd get in there and make sure everything smells fresh and then keep those doors closed!   Kelley Saveika wrote: My supervisor just called me in for a meeting and apparently people  have been complaining that I smell like cat urine.   I do have some
 sprayers. I wash my clothes with Oxyclean and I bathe  every day, of course. I have only smelled cat urine on myself once  and then I was aware of it.  Could I smell bad and not know it?  --  Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20   Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.-- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Spay  Neuter Your Nei

Re: o/t ideas please for my ex-foster cat

2006-10-27 Thread tamara stickler
Ok, I'll throw my in story too:I'm "fostering" another adult stray...that no one wants. A grey and brown tabby male, healthy and lovable, neg. on felv and fip, but a powerful boy. (Only cat I've ever known that likes to play tug-o-war...and I don't me little tugs, I mean full out pitbull-like tug-o-war). He just isn't remarkable looking and everyone...youall say it with me now, "wants a kitten!". Anyhow, when I brought Coebeio into the house 7 years ago...Quintapus never hissed! He fluffed a bit, but generally he was a real gentleman and not opposed to sharing his home with another animal, dog or cat. Whereas...the long time adult stray, Coebeio hissed at EVERYONE...both dog and cat. It took a good 6 months to incorporate her...to where I could trust her not to body slam poor Quintapus, or hiss and swipe at the dog (poo-rin terrior),Schatzi.
 Quint and Coey eventually became fast friends, even curling up against each other and grooming each other (after about 1-a year and a half).After Quintie died, I decided to foster a friend of my dog's - Tobias-Rat (a yorkshire terrorist), who was getting kicked to the curb by his elderly owner. Schatzi once again had no problem with the new animal, but Coebeio was TICKED. It took her a good 5 months to realize that he wasn't going to eat her (afterall she IS bigger!)...and it took Rat a good 8 months to figure out that Coebeio really was above him in the pecking order. They are now good friends and enjoy playing "hunt-the-yorkie!" to Rat's extreme pleasure (any attention is good attention).Now that Mica (the new foster) is in the house,Coey again absolutely HATES him...partly because the first time I let him out with uswell he ignored her for starters, but she kept HISSING at him so
 eventually he got tired of it and got in her her face. Rat TRIED to play peacekeeper by staying in between them, but even he knew when to back out of it (thank God). Coey fled under the bed andMica hunted her ...even after she nailed him good a few times in the face, the idiot STILL tried to get under with her...I've seen him beat the tar out of a cat in his LAST foster home..which is why he lost it...so I have to be careful because, of course, my loyalties lay first with Coey.So now we are back to baby-gates stacked up across the doorway to my once studio, which has now become Mica's bachleor pad, and I am exchanging bedding, spraying the feliwayall that fun stuff in the hopes that EVENTUALLY I can incorporate him. As it currently stands, Coebeio absolutely HATES him, Schatzi is indifferent, and Rat thinks I got him for his own personal toy (they play with each other through the gate for hours on
 end).Tell your former foster's caregivers that it is HARD to introduce another pet, esp. a cat into a household with other cats. But you need to give it at least 6 months for everything to run smoothly.By-the-by everyone...GREAT TIPS along this thread! I'll be incorporating a few more into my current battle as well!THANKS ALL!  TPeggy Ankney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:We’re having similar problems with Montana and Scooter. Scooter is our new adopted FeLV+ kitty, and before Scooter came to us, Montana pretty much slept on our bed at night, hung out with me while I was working, and generally was the boss of the place. Years ago, when I adopted Karma, they fought (hissing and some batting) but eventually became civil enough to both sleep on the same bed at night (much to my husband’s dismay at times!). But now that Scooter is here, Montana is making himself scarce, and I do worry about him. He’s a big baby, and I
 don’t want him to feel unwelcome in his own house, but at the same time, Scooter needs us. Part of the problem is that Scooter is so young and playful and shows no fear of the others, but they just don’t like him yet. He’s not exactly working hard to gain friendship either - if Montana is sleeping in a chair, Scooter will approach the chair, Montana will growl a warning, Scooter will continue approaching, and eventually there’s hissing and
 batting. (I am slightly worried about the hissing, but it’s mostly by Montana, who is negative, as I’ve yet to see Scooter hiss at either cat.) So at times it’s less than peaceful and although it’s hard for me to see Montana avoiding being inside, and I miss him at night, I know that eventually they will all learn to get along. Maybe if Molly knows that other people who take in cats have to go through the same sometimes painful period of adjustment, she’ll be willing to give Katya another chance. I hope so! -Peggy and JR  
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Re: The End.

2006-10-19 Thread tamara stickler
Leslie,Your family's odessy is one for the books! I've been following along and praying for you with everyone else, and reading this last post something has become crystal clear: I REALLY believe that this incident was put to you and your cats toplay out for your final reply to the new team: "I met just the cameraman at my apartment and told him why leukemia cats are so wonderful and why people shouldn't be afraid of adopting them, or keeping them when they test positive." I don't know that you realize now, or will EVER be able to realize the extent to which you have started a chain reaction that will change the world for SO MANY cats and their care givers.At one point in the near future, someone who saw you say that is going to tell someone else, that someone will one day have a cat that test positive, but will think twice
 about calling it a death sentence and instead of following the vet's advice to euthanize, will insist on treatment. That vet will learn first hand what a worthwhile life the cat gets to live because ofits owner'sinsistance, and will counsel another person whose beloved cat tests positive that while euthanasia is an option...there is a treatment and he's seen it work wonders maintaininganother cat for years. Someone else will hear, see how wonderful your cats look on TV and perhaps seek out one to adopt. In years to come, with more caregivers choosing to treat lukemia cats there will ultimately be more research done to provide treatments.You've done a wonderful thing! God NEVER gives a person or animal more than they can handle...The faith He had in You was great this past week, and from what I've seen, you didn't disappoint! Cudos!May God continue to
 bless you and your's.TLeslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello everyone!I'm sorry that it's taken so long to give you the recap, but the saga has continued.Okay, Beth's recount of how I got Satch is spot on - I found him through a call generated by the broadcast about 5 miles north of where the car was stolen. The confusion with the microchip reading was actually at the shelter that he's co-registered to. They just switched their computer system and have the files from 2004 on paper still - I know this because it took a couple of calls for me to convince them that Satch and I existed to them. So once I knew where Satch was, I figured that Beamight be in the same area - the fear that she'd
 been scared under a seat was there, but at least I had a place to start. So I took the flyers that I had in my car and went over to a nearby apartment complex - I really think that you guys, the spirits of all of our past cats were guiding me to this place - to put flyers on cars in the lot there (little did I know that if I'd continued further down one row I'd get to my own car! But that comes later...). Nina, this is when you called andI so feel thatthatlittle distraction of mind (my talking to you while putting out flyers) opens the motions of the body up to the will of the universe, my methodical flyer placement became a little sporadic as I told you the story and shared my excitement - moving across and up and over the rows, not just down them, I'm certain that this is when I put a flyer on the right car. About an hour later I got a call from Bea's microchip company, a girl in that apartment complex had seen one and took the
 sweet little kitten she'd found to the vet to get scanned. And it was Beatrix. The chip company gave me her phone number and I went right back over to pick her up. The first woman (who had been hoping that Satch would become their store mascot - evidently anytime someone opened the door to the back, he'd run in and go visit people) soundly refused the reward. The girl who found Beatrix was young - late teens, early 20's - and lived in a not so nice area. It would havebeen so easy for her to keep Bea, so Ifoisted a reward of $100 on her. I was just so appreciative that she called. Mywork, Full Sail Brewing, was so impressed with the story, they are sending the newswoman, Amy Troy, and the cameraman, Steve, $100 gift certificates each for a trip to the brewery in thanks for helping. So to answer the questions about needing more reward money - I am
 good,and for those who have sent funds, your money is so appreciated and has been/will be put to good use. For the reward for the girl, Iris, and to replace cat medications that were in the car. So more about last night below, but today the news station called, they wanted to do a follow up. I met just the cameraman at my apartment and told him why leukemia cats are so wonderful and why people shouldn't be afraid of adopting them, or keeping them when they test positive. I told him how the negative vibes of theviolence from a stranger had been overwhelmed by the positive vibes of the kindness of strangers. I thanked him and thanked him. Then I went back to the area that they were found on my lunch break and took a stab at 

Re: OT animal communicators

2006-10-16 Thread tamara stickler
Karen,There are those, I believe who can communicate with animals (or rather, and more likely, it is the animal who instigates and directs the communication and the human that is sensitive or not to that direction), however, I believe these people are very few and far between. Like any other unproven science, there are more hoaxters out there than legitiment communicators. I have found (through my rescue and placement experiences) many of these "communicators" to be people whose personal lives are a complete and total mess, so they "develop" this "skill" to give themselves a sense of control and an exceptional identity...(not that they are doing this to be misleading, but that they are actually misleading themselves in a desparate attempt to gain some sort of supierority or self-worth)most actually do WANT to help, arelonging to be of use,but their "skills" are just
 imaginary.True communicators cannot expect to score a true reading each and everytime, nor can they be expected to be omniscent, BUT, if their skills are REAL they should be able to lock onto SOMETHING that is unique to you or one of your pets, present or past...whether it be a unique event, a name, or an evironment. IF they cannot give you a link that this, something specific...move on to another.MOST of these communicators, be it human or animal just trade in common sense...which is easily manipulated to fit what we WANT to be true.Good luck finding the answers you seek, but be willing to accept that the answers just may not be accessible to you in this lifetime.God bless,  T[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I respect you guys a lot tell me what you really think of the claims these folks make.I am desperate for answers on some of my rescues. Karen 
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Re: 2 vets?

2006-09-26 Thread tamara stickler
I have at LEAST two vets at any given time for my critters. My favorite vet is a mobile vet, so while I look to her first ..I often can't get an appt. right away, when I need one...and should I need to drop urine or stool sample off for testingits good to have a vet with astationary office to do that; so I have another vet close by that's"ok" for those things. There is also a homeopathic vet that has helped out a great dealin areas where the knowledge of the other two is thin and has been quite helpful in prescibing non-drug remedies (diet, accupuncture homeopathic)to address problems. When Quintie was alive..he had a specialist...well two...a cardiologist and an internist. (I on the other hand have no health insurance...hehehe)The important thing is to get hard copies of each
 visit, what was done to solve the problem that the animal was brought in for...what meds where given..etc..(not just a receipt for payment..but a copy of whatever notes the doc. took and wrote in the animal's folder) and make certain that EACH of the animal's doctors has a copy in their file, (learned this from taking care of an elderly great aunt ;-). Good vets will understand and respect your decision, not give you a hard time about it. Good vets are also eager to share ideas and learn about other methods used to treat their patients, even if they choose not to participate in their administration.Remember, YOU PAY THEM, THEY WORK FOR YOU...do what you feel is best for your animal and you...first.Good luck! (How lucky you are to find two vets you like so much!!!)  THi guys and babes! I was wondering if it is okay to have 2 vets. I found that great one off of Kats list butwhen my sister went to the dog/cat clinic..it is a mile away from my house I fell inlove with the vets brillant and personable bedside. When he put my sisters baby Minnion to sleep he put his hand on her shoulder and said I am soo sorry for your lost. He also said he wasn't going to charge her. He is very with it concerning FELV FIV FIP and very caring. I also am torn because I LOVE the other new vet too. A few weeks ago when i dumped my ex-vet i stressed that i wouldn't be able to find a good vet...now i am torn between two?kayteNo virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 
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Re: OT: HELP..Need food advice for cat prone to crystals

2006-09-26 Thread tamara stickler
Thanks Michelle.Luckily Mica isn't a CRF cat...but since I know the folks on that site from all their advice for my Quintapusand I know the folks on this site for their extraodinary help in placing Simms (a felv rescue) in a WONDERFUL home...I just cc-ed everyone.Thanks for the info! I'll start on the EVO site (since I feed my one dog that brand) and will investigate the raw (ick!) (Tried raw once for my catshe just looked at it...at me and over to the kitchen like, "AH...you forgot to COOK this!"Thanks again!!!  T[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:EVO and raw food both seem to do very well for
 cats prone to crystals. Not sure how they are for CRF kitties, though, as they are both high protein. I know there is controversy over whether or not CRF kitties actually need low protein or not, but I do not know more than that.MichelleIn a message dated 9/25/2006 12:42:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Hello All.Sorry for the OT topic, but, I didn't get satisfactory answer from the vet so I'm turning to the experts!I have a rescue cat (ex-stray)...neutured male, felv  fip neg., approx. 1-2 yrs. old. Very well behaved and very loveable (looking for a home by-the-way, great with dogs, kids and most cats), however, he is having a problem
 with crystals in his urine. He eats very little (too thin), drinks very little (although I did set up a fountain in the room I've got him isolated in). Oh, I should mention that he uses the litter box (clump litter) all but once when he urinated on his bed...which is when I took him to the vet and found out he was ill.I currently have him on antibiotics, and the vet has tried to put him on a prescription(s) diet. Now...my experience with Quintapus (CRF) has proven to me that these prescriptions diets are trash because they lack the proper nutrients necessary for a healthy catNot to mention the factthat Mica WON'T EAT THEM (Quintie didn't like them either). All he wants is Wysong canned tuna  chicken.I tried forcing him to eat the prescription food...but he went on a hunger strike for 2 or 3days before I caved.For what I've been able
 to find, I need to have him on a low magnesum, low ash...and possibly low protein foodBUT.I don't know HOW low...% wise, and can't seem to find the numbers anywhere. (When Quintapus came off the prescription diet for CRF..I was able to compose another diet...just as good number-wise and better nutrition wise with the better cat foods with help from those of you on the crf lists.)With all the experience of everyone on these lists, I'm certain the answer is floating out amongst you -all somewhere.And before someone asks..no, we didn't do xrays to determine if there was a blockage (just the urinalisis and medical exam...which still cost me well over $100)I hope to treat him for the lesser first as I am indept up to my eyeballs and really don't have the $ for xrays (I don't go out looking for strays...but they seem to find me MUCH TOO OFTEN! And I don't have any financial help to pay
 the costs of vetting, fixing and placing.)I couldn't find a support website for the crystals problem either. Thanks for all the help in advance. (Remember, if anyone is remotely interested in Mica...I can send pictures...)Thanks again,  Tamara   
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OT: HELP..Need food advice for cat prone to crystals

2006-09-25 Thread tamara stickler
Hello All.Sorry for the OT topic, but, I didn't get satisfactory answer from the vet so I'm turning to the experts!I have a rescue cat (ex-stray)...neutured male, felv  fip neg., approx. 1-2 yrs. old. Very well behaved and very loveable (looking for a home by-the-way, great with dogs, kids and most cats), however, he is having a problem with crystals in his urine. He eats very little (too thin), drinks very little (although I did set up a fountain in the room I've got him isolated in). Oh, I should mention that he uses the litter box (clump litter) all but once when he urinated on his bed...which is when I took him to the vet and found out he was ill.I currently have him on antibiotics, and the vet has tried to put him on a prescription(s) diet. Now...my experience with Quintapus (CRF) has proven to me that these
 prescriptions diets are trash because they lack the proper nutrients necessary for a healthy catNot to mention the factthat Mica WON'T EAT THEM (Quintie didn't like them either). All he wants is Wysong canned tuna  chicken.I tried forcing him to eat the prescription food...but he went on a hunger strike for 2 or 3days before I caved.For what I've been able to find, I need to have him on a low magnesum, low ash...and possibly low protein foodBUT.I don't know HOW low...% wise, and can't seem to find the numbers anywhere. (When Quintapus came off the prescription diet for CRF..I was able to compose another diet...just as good number-wise and better nutrition wise with the better cat foods with help from those of you on the crf lists.)With all the experience of everyone on these lists, I'm certain the answer is floating out amongst you -all somewhere. 
   And before someone asks..no, we didn't do xrays to determine if there was a blockage (just the urinalisis and medical exam...which still cost me well over $100)I hope to treat him for the lesser first as I am indept up to my eyeballs and really don't have the $ for xrays (I don't go out looking for strays...but they seem to find me MUCH TOO OFTEN! And I don't have any financial help to pay the costs of vetting, fixing and placing.)I couldn't find a support website for the crystals problem either. Thanks for all the help in advance. (Remember, if anyone is remotely interested in Mica...I can send pictures...)Thanks again,  Tamara 
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Re: OT: HELP..Need food advice for cat prone to crystals

2006-09-25 Thread tamara stickler
Thanks Ioana...that was one of the brands he refused to eat. That...the Science Diet and Royal Canin. (the ones the vet gave me are chicken based...he doesn't appear to like chicken- even in the canned food I gave him before finding he had this problem, unless its mixed with a majority of tuna).But I thank you for taking the time to reply to me!!!Ioana-Dina Rican [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Tamara,I had a similar case with a male cat that needed two antibiotics treatment within one week time spam. The vet put him on dry food "CD" for lifetime and was very good. If I remember well it comes in cans too. Meanwhile he was adopted and I stressed to his new parents not to change his food and keep him on CD. This brand is found only
 to the vets; it is not in stores. I would recommend CD to everybody and to do it ASAP. It is good for female too; it minimizes the possibility of urinary infections too.   Let me know if you cannot find it.Ioanatamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello All.Sorry for the OT topic, but, I didn't get satisfactory answer from the vet so I'm turning to the experts!I have a rescue cat (ex-stray)...neutured male, felv  fip neg., approx. 1-2 yrs. old. Very well behaved and very loveable (looking for a home by-the-way, great with dogs, kids and most cats), however, he is having a problem with crystals in his urine. He eats very little (too thin), drinks very little (although I did set up a
 fountain in the room I've got him isolated in). Oh, I should mention that he uses the litter box (clump litter) all but once when he urinated on his bed...which is when I took him to the vet and found out he was ill.I currently have him on antibiotics, and the vet has tried to put him on a prescription(s) diet. Now...my experience with Quintapus (CRF) has proven to me that these prescriptions diets are trash because they lack the proper nutrients necessary for a healthy catNot to mention the factthat Mica WON'T EAT THEM (Quintie didn't like them either). All he wants is Wysong canned tuna  chicken.I tried forcing him to eat the prescription food...but he went on a hunger strike for 2 or 3days before I caved.For what I've been able to find, I need to have him on a low magnesum, low ash...and possibly low protein foodBUT.I don't
 know HOW low...% wise, and can't seem to find the numbers anywhere. (When Quintapus came off the prescription diet for CRF..I was able to compose another diet...just as good number-wise and better nutrition wise with the better cat foods with help from those of you on the crf lists.)With all the experience of everyone on these lists, I'm certain the answer is floating out amongst you -all somewhere.And before someone asks..no, we didn't do xrays to determine if there was a blockage (just the urinalisis and medical exam...which still cost me well over $100)I hope to treat him for the lesser first as I am indept up to my eyeballs and really don't have the $ for xrays (I don't go out looking for strays...but they seem to find me MUCH TOO OFTEN! And I don't have any financial help to pay the costs of vetting, fixing and placing.)I couldn't find a support website
 for the crystals problem either. Thanks for all the help in advance. (Remember, if anyone is remotely interested in Mica...I can send pictures...)Thanks again,  Tamara  All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.  Do you Yahoo!?Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. 
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Re: morbid question about finding autopsy studies

2006-09-14 Thread tamara stickler
Try your local Veternary college. Often they will do that sort of thing and incorporated it into a teaching exercise.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Someone from the shelter I used to work with asked me to help her find a place that can do a toxicity study on a deceased cat, which they have frozen. They think there was veterinary malpractice (the cat died in surgery, after several others did as well with the same new vet) and do not know where to get this kind of study. Apparently they brought the cat to Tufts, a university vet hospital, and they did a necropsy but no tox analysis. any thoughts?thanks,  michelle 
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Re: OT- Strange kitty behavior

2006-09-06 Thread tamara stickler
Toward the end of Quintapus' life, he would regularly wake me up every 2-3 hrs. with a head butt...just to say "hi"I got used to it and eventually learned to go back to sleep rather quickly.The bathroom audienceyou are "still" there, so as far as she's concerned, its QUALITY TIME.As for the nipps...kitty kisses...just tell her softly.."stop" or "no"..or give her a little knuckle rub (kitty nuggies) between the ears and she'll prob. go lay back down.Good luck.  Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My soul-kitty, Missy, has been acting strange lately. She insists on being held when
 I'm using the restroom (which is fine, but a little odd).She also bites my nose, chin and lips when I take her to bed with me. So if I want to be able to sleep I have to shut her out of the bedroom. Then I can't sleep because I am worried about her and that she will go into heart failure during the night.   Does anyone know why she might be doing this?-- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese http://astore.amazon.com/austinsiamese-20 Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous  Stay in the know. Pulse on the new
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Re: I killed Grayson

2006-07-18 Thread tamara stickler
Tonya hon...cats don't "smother" easily. If you had, I would assume there would be claw marks up one side of you ...or the sheets would be shredded. Isn't there the chance that he just passed peacefully in his sleep?I was to adopt a cat last spring. One week before I was to get him, he fell out a window into a pack of dogs (don't ask...an oversight at his foster home)...but the vet gave him a clean bill of health after keeping him two days for observation. Then three nights before I was to pick him up, Carruthers passed, quietly and without any fuss or signs of distress curled up in a favorite chair. Sometimes a blod clot or anerism can take them without any notice, esp. a leukemia cat.Please don't beat yourself up about it...if you can. If you absolutely need to know, a vet can give you peace of mind...even now.  
   God Bless Girl! Hang in there.Tcatatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I just woke and Grayson was dead. I think I smothered him. I think 2:30 was the last time he woke me up to be fed. I had him up by my neck but remember finding him sleeping down next to me at one point and moving him back up. I guess it didn't cross my mind at the time that he should have been screaming for food at that point. I just moved him back up higher on the bed and covered him in his little towel and fell back asleep. When I woke again I wondered why he hadn't cried yet or moved over to my neck. He was dead because I had killed him. tonya 
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Re: I killed Grayson

2006-07-18 Thread tamara stickler
Tonya!If wishin' could kill someone...there'd be a hell of a lot of corpses layin' around...esp... in the work places!catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Thanks Nina, but I killed him. I know I did. And I know it's because I was so worried about bringing in another cat and 'wished' I didn't have that problem. So now I don't. I just feel horrible. tNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Oh Honey, don't say that. You didn't kill Grayson. You didn't wake up on top of him, you woke up with him lower on your body and you moved him back up. There's no way you could possibly know he stopped breathing
 because you suffocated him, or because he simply stopped breathing. Even if you had inadvertently smothered him, you still didn't kill that baby. The state of the world is what killed that baby. You, my dear, saved him. I'm very sorry that he's gone, I can just imagine your shock and grief. I guess I should have been talking about how likely this outcome could be, but I wanted to think positively about his chances, and let's face it, no matter how prepared we are, we're never prepared enough. Please don't play the what if game with this. What if you had left him in the bathroom, covered with towels and a heating pad? What if he'd died alone in the bathroom and hadn't gotten the opportunity to see what it was liked to be cuddled and loved? You'd be kicking yourself harder than you are right now. No, you did everything right. From the moment you went back into that house, to when you took him to bed with you. No matter
 how sad I am about Grayson leaving us, I won't accept anything else. He was a little fighter with a heart big enough to cause people around the country to fall in love with him. The little guy has my undying love and all the tears he deserves, and so do you,N.catatonya wrote: I just woke and Grayson was dead. I think I smothered him. I think  2:30 was the last time he woke me up to be fed. I had him up by my  neck but remember finding him sleeping down next to me at one point  and moving him back up. I guess it didn't cross my mind at the time  that he should have been screaming for food at that point. I just  moved him back up higher on the bed and covered him in his little  towel and fell back asleep. When I woke again I wondered why he  hadn't cried yet or moved over to my neck. He was dead because I had  killed him. 
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Re: male calico and black female

2006-07-11 Thread tamara stickler
FYI...there are no Male calicos...so you actually have two females there. Good luck.Arlington Kittens and Cats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  ANYONE IN ARLINGTON TEXAS that can take a pos male calico and a black female pos 1 year old? 
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RE: male calico and black female

2006-07-11 Thread tamara stickler
Wow...I thought it was genetically impossible! I stand corrected"Doljan, Joan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Yes there are--few and far between.  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara sticklerSent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 11:49 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: male calico and black femaleFYI...there are no Male calicos...so you actually have two females there. Good
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Re: OT-Anyone know of safe ways to deal w/ ants?

2006-06-14 Thread tamara stickler
Someone once told me Bounce dryer sheets are a good ant repellent, and to put them in the window sills between the windowsI had such a huge colony of the large black ants right outside my dining rm windows, I put two sheets on top of their hills hoping they'd move away from the house a bit...within twenty minutes they had completely buried both sheets and now have a "clean freshlinen" smelling wall to wall carpet on the first floor of their hill! They have the snazziest colony for miles! They seemed very greatful! (hehee...ol' well.)Cayenne might work on ants...but squirrels and chipmonks LOVE it! I used it to deter a black snake that refused to relocate.all it did was attrack prey for him to eat...and the squirrels simply went ballistic! Like crack cocaine to them!"spearmint leaves being good deterrents"- sorry...the huge coloney of large black ants that I
 have.part of their colony is actually located IN my spearmint patch!One thing that did work...to keep the ants in check...but doesn't completely kill the colony (usually)..are nematodes (sp?) microscopic bugs that you can get freeze dried, mix with water to bring them back to life and dump the water down the holes outside. They attack the larva and the ants themselves to some degree...keeping the colony numberdown to a managable level, but they won't hurt your garden, birds, other animals..etc.For best results, treat twice a yearif you want you can buy enough to pour around your outside foundationto create a barrierdo it often enough and they will find the ground unpleasant to set up home in... The plus here is that it actually IS NON TOXIC to your pets, so that if they walk through the wet solution...it won't hurt them like toxic over the counter sprays and baits that they can track in
 on their feet, consume and get sick/die from. You can get Nematodes online ...http://store.arbico-organics.com/ants.html or check your local feed storeSouthern States carries them...well...order forms for them anyway.  Someone recently suggested vinegar... I've also heard Baby powder works...but I haven't tried either yet.Good luck.Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I use Grants Ant stakes to keep ants out of the house.gwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   I'm sorry; I should've specified that I intended this mix as an outdoor spray to prevent ants from even entering
 the house. Do you think it would still be toxic with the dilution and the fact that you would simply be wiping a surface with it? What would your recommendation be for the ants?Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com- Original Message - From: "TenHouseCats" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 9:36 PMSubject: Re: OT-Anyone know of safe ways to deal w/ ants? tea tree oil is toxic to cats! On 6/12/06, gwork <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I have also heard cayenne works, but have never used it. I do know that  the proper treatment can depend on what type of ants they are. I also found  on the 'net that 8 oz. of a natural soap (peppermint, lavender, tea tree)  mixed with 1 oz. essential oil (citronella, cinammon, rose, tea tree) and 
 diluted with water is supposed to make a good spray/wash. You add 5 tbsp. of  this mix to a quart of water. I wonder if the health food store would already have a premixed solution. I have heard of the boric acid/sugar mix, but that is a killing mixture vs. a deterrent. Kris http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com - Original Message - From: Ashleigh Smith To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 2:46 PM Subject: Re: OT-Anyone know of safe ways to deal w/ ants? I've heard cayenne works too, but I've never personally used it. ~Ashleigh Barb Moermond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I seem to recall spearmint leaves being good deterrents. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All of sudden
 we have bunches of little red ants in our house. My hubby likes to use Terro, which I don't like at all around the furkids  my  human kid. Any ideas? Thanks! Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito "My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely  living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --  MaryChristine AIM
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Re: Heart Murmur

2006-02-01 Thread tamara stickler
Heart murmurs can develop at any stage of life, but, should be seriously monitored and treated if it continues to get worse. My Quintapus was diagnosed with a heart murmur only after he had a bit of a heart attack at age 2. I took him to a cariologist and it turned out he had cardiomyopathy (hardening of the heart). Dr. gave him meds and an estimate of approx. 3 yrs. of life left. Quintie just died last March at the ripe age of 12. With medication and proper monitoring heart murmurs can be controled.As for the neuturing...if Wowie doesn't go outside at all (nor try to get out), and all your other animals are fixedits strickly your decision. You know your cat best. Don't let someone else bully you into making a decision you aren't comfortable with...because if something should (not that it will) go wrong, you'll have difficulty forgiving yourself. FYI, Quint did have
 dentals during his life which require "putting him out" and he did fine, even with the heart murmur and renal failure. (It was a blood clot that finally did him in.)veggiepugs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Well I took Wowie (Brooklyn) to the vet today for his eye infection, which I am now treating, and the dr said to me "He's not neutered!!" I said well, last I was here, I was told he was at more risk under anesthesia being FeLV+ so I am hesitant. Asked me if he was an indoor cat I said yes, he said his urine must stink. Actually, I said, he is very good with the litterbox and I keep it clean so, no. Like as if that's more important than his risks under anesthesia. THEN he tells me, "He has a heart murmur". So i say out loud "Even MORE of a reason for me not to put him under!!!" Am I wrong not to neuter him? He's
 strictly indoor. Am I putting him at risk for more illness? Or am I playing it safe? So, now he has a heart murmur and I'm wondering why they didn't catch this OR the fact that they told me today that he has gingivitis, at his last visit a month and a half ago. They looked in his mouth and listened to his heart so what the heck? Dr says I need to have him get an echocardiogram. Said the murmur and the eye infection AND the gingivitis could be secondary to felv. I'm worried. But wowie is still happy and doing well, any words of advice/guidance? I have to start brushing his teeth too.ThanksRebecca
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Re: OT - Baltimore, MD rescues?

2006-01-31 Thread tamara stickler
  There are plenty of Baltimore area rescues, but good luck ever getting an animal in one. I'll list the ones I know of below, BUT word of warning first:  There are several well meaning "collectors" also, so you really want to check any one who offers to help out firsteven if the person comes highly recommended by one or several other rescuesTRUST ME!First, the Baltimore area rescue to STAY CLEAR OF: Defenders of Animal Rights, Inc, a.k.a. Adopt A Pet in Phoenix, MD. Yes the shelter is beautiful, yes they say all the right things, yes they ask for a donation in order to drop an animal off, but more likely than not that animal will be dead before you get back in your caror shortly there after..The shelter never appears full, but I can tell you first hand that's NOT because they are so good at adopting animals out. (That's not to say that they don't do some good work, but
 I've seen first hand...have first hand experience behind the scenes...) Stay Clear! (I have noterized affidavidsfrom several people who worked there if you don't believe me.)If you are trying to place a felv+ cat, be forewarned that there is a "red-flag" on Ranch Hope, as far as I am concerned. The place looks beautiful, there is a life-long monthly fee charged for placing an animal there, but quite by accident I found out that many of the animals placed in there care are farmed-out to an over-burdened woman, with failing healthwho is assoc. with many rescues and has a farm with hundreds of dogs/cats, (she admitted to not knowing how many she had on site) etcShe tries, but the place, well lets just say every time I see on the news about a raid on a collecter, I look to see if it is her. She has a wonderful heart, but doesn't know when to say when, (has difficulties keeping up with the basic cleaning
 and amitted she gets no financial help from Ranch Hope (and was surprised to learn that they charged such a high monthly maitenance fee from people leaving animals...esp when so many wind up with her.)YOUR BETTER BETS:Ok, now, there is Animal Rescue - contact- Joy Lumpkin, its at the end of 83 on the Maryland/PA line: PO Box 35 Maryland Line, MD 21105 (717) 993-3232This website will give you links and contact info. for rescues in Maryland: http://www.adoptablepets.net/mdpets.htmlI don't have first hand knowledge of most of the rescues on this site, so use your head and your heart when investigating. Good luck. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.  T 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Anybody know any Baltimore rescues? I just talked to an 86 year old lady, just had some mini-strokes, and is feeding 9 outdoor cats in the north part of Baltimore. She also talked about the neighbors letting a little doggie out at night. I said, can't you call the city or a rescue? She's too infirm to know about that sort of thing.Anyhow - I'm looking for some support for her and her animals. I will, btw, look in Petfinder - just thought I'd check you guys out.Thanks,Gloria  
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Re: OT bloat in dogs info. Do cats get bloat??

2006-01-26 Thread tamara stickler
  Has anyone ever tried Gripe Water to help withbloat (before the stomach twists of course)in dogs  cats? Is it safe? There are two kinds:   1)- Chamomile 13mg, Ginger extract 2.5 mg, Fennel extract-2 mg, organic agave fructose, citric acid, glycerin, sodium bicarbonate  water. 2)- sodium bicarbonate 14 mg, ginger extract 5 mg, fennel extract 4mg, water, fructose, methylparaben, citric acid, propylparaben) It helpsa friend of mine with her colicy (human) baby.   
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Re: OT: Dreams-Michelle

2006-01-20 Thread tamara stickler
Michelle,The best I can tell you is this: Sometimes, dreams are just dreams. More likely than not most of the bad dreams you are having are prob. a manifestation of your own guilt (deserved or no, it doesn't matter,  grief). You might be getting visitations of your lost ones, only to have your own guilt  griefget in the way of the real message and warp the dream. Dreams CAN be controled. Visitations can not. That's the best way to determine the difference. If it is really upseting you, practice telling yourself, just before bedtime that you are going to switch places with the characters in your dream...or change another character's appearance, or the landscape of the dream itself...with practice, you will be able to manipulate the players  settings in your dreams. It takes time, but after you are finding that you can do this on a regular basis, attempt
 to do it when you are dreaming about your lost critters. If you are feeling guilty: 1) take a realistic look at the situation- ALL LIFE AS WE KNOW IT, ENDS. You can't stop that. The bodies die. If you are guilty because you couldn't make them live forever, you need to get a hold of yourself and be realistic. Animals know they die. They aren't going to hold you responsible for that. 2) If you still can not shake the guilt, or believe there is something to be guilty about (realistically or no) when you dream of your animals...APOLOGIZE to them. EXPLAIN why you chose the course of action that you did. Tell them you love them. They love you. Even if they weren't ready to go (and sometimes, if you've allowed others to persued you to make the final decision at a time when you weren't comfortable with it...you really feel the result of this) it will help them to understand and accept the fact that
 their physcial life with youhas ended and it is ok for them to go on. Like people, if an animal was not ready to go (whether or not its body was ready) its soul can be somewhat restless, bewildered. Great guilt or grief by loved ones can farther confuse it and "hold it bound to itsformer physciallife". You need to accept the death of the body, and be willing to let the soul continue without you. It is someplace you cannot follow at the moment. But don't feel frightened for it, that would be felt by the one who has passed. Remember, the soul existed before it came into your care, and will exist after. (If you believe in a Creator, believe  trustthat the one who made us, loves us more than we can possibly love each other, and will take care of your loved ones, when you cannot).The time thatyou experience together, the shared love, that
 will go with the one who has passed, just as its love will stay with you. That hole you feel in your heart...the piece that filled that hole is going with the soul that you loved, to keep them frommissing you so terriblyto keep you with them when you cannot physcially be therejust as a piece of that soul will always stay with you.It is ok to grieve, but try to remain open to all the wonders that will come. It is the best way to truly stay connected with those who have passed before us.  Be Blessed and at Peace.  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I have been following this thread and wanted to say something, but I can not figure out what it is that I
 want to say. I have longed for a sign from mine also, and fear that the lack of a sign means either that there is nothing after death or that they are mad at me for what I did or did not do in their last days. When I have seen them in dreams, I do not know what that means either. All of it is painful. If the good dreams about them are a sign of something, are the bad dreams about them a sign also? Because I have a lot of those too. I relate to the feeling of thinking Maizee jumped on the couch. We used to take our dogs in the car a lot to go to conservation land for walks, and it is only recently, almost 8 months after our last dog died, that I have stopped thinking they are in the back seat. There are certain words that Gray and I used to have to say in code because the dogs understood them and would get all excited (e.g. walk, hungry, food, grandma -- they loved my mom and knew her by "grandma"). Sometimes we still find
 ourselves avoiding those words, and when we realize we don't need to anymore it really hurts. I feel like I see Simon every time I see a picture of a round-faced orange cat. It has gotten to the point in our house where most weeks have a death anniversary in them. This Saturday is Buddy's. It is about all we can do sometimes just to go on.  MichelleIn a message dated 1/17/2006 5:58:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Wendy I feel the same as you do.I am still waiting for a sign that she forgives me and knows that I love her so much.It is very hard for me still and it has been 2 months since she left me and I still have really bad days where I cry my heart out.I keep asking her if she sent Rafferty to me,he is 

Re: OT: Dreams

2006-01-20 Thread tamara stickler
Wendy,God sends his angels to bring messages all the time, there are angels in EVERY religion just as God is present in EVERYreligion. Trust that one spoke to you and be comforted by it.(Personally, I don't believe you have to be Christian to get to Heaven...I believe you have to do good, love others and try your best and God, who loves all its creations will take all this into account -I don't believe God is political...that said:)While teaching teens in Bible school we got on the subject of whether animals have souls. Believing they do, I quoted several parts of the Bible that mentioned God's promises not only to man but to beast. (In the story of Noah it states that if a beast draws human blood it would be held accountable...why? If it had no soul? In Revelations the angels descend on horseback, how? If animals have no souls, where did the horses
 come from to come down from Heaven?) But it was summed up best by a 15 year old girl in my class. When one of her classmates argued animals have no souls, that Christ came to "save mankind...He didn't die to give animals eternal life" - "Of course NOT!" she interrupted "Animals NEVER DEFIED THEIR GOD! They NEVER LOST THEIR RIGHT TO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!" -truer words..I believe...were never spoken ...'nough said ;-)wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I feel your pain Michelle. It's pretty intense foryou too.This may sound crazy to some of you out there, butearly this morning I got up to use the restroom, andas I lay back down, I looked at the end of my bedwhere Cricket used to sleep all night by my feet (whythere I don't know-lol). Anyway, of course Cricketwasn't there, and as we
 are having a seriouslyunseasonably warm winter here in Dallas, I feltsadness because Cricket didn't get to enjoyOctober/fall the way we normally did, enjoying thebreeze through the windows and going outside (new dog)to explore in the great weather. As soon as thatthought entered my mind as I lay there, a calm malevoice came into my head and said to me, 'my child,Cricket has gotten to do all that and more since heleft you.' It shocked me, but I felt I should saysomething, so I said, "But I miss him so much and ithurts." But that was it; no more voice. So I'm notsure what to make of this, except that I believe thatan Angel or maybe God himself said that to me, whichis a good thing. The grieving and sadness is gettingless for me, the calmness more. I believe the RainbowBridge website poem, which says that Cricket will bewaiting for me when I cross too. The website also hasquotes from the Bible regarding animals,
 and it'sfunny: I study the Bible, but not what the Bible saysabout animals, and have struggled like Michelle onwhether or not that animals are just 'gone' after theydie, or if they have spirits. I was really surprisedto see all the quotes in the Bible regarding animals. It basically says that God has a covenant not onlywith humans, but with all living animals as well. Pretty neat for me. Please, I don't want anyonethinking I am preaching. I wouldn't know how topreach if I had to. lol. I am just sharinginformation because I know some of you out there wouldbe interested. I learn something new here everyday!!!For anyone who wants to see the quotes, the link ishere:http://rainbowsbridge.com/Grief_Support_Center/Grief_Support/scripture.htm:)Wendy--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I have been following this thread and wanted to say something, but I can not  figure
 out what it is that I want to say. I have longed for a sign from  mine also, and fear that the lack of a sign means either that there is nothing  after death or that they are mad at me for what I did or did not do in their  last days. When I have seen them in dreams, I do not know what that means  either. All of it is painful. If the good dreams about them are a sign of  something, are the bad dreams about them a sign also? Because I have a lot of those  too.   I relate to the feeling of thinking Maizee jumped on the couch. We used to  take our dogs in the car a lot to go to conservation land for walks, and it is  only recently, almost 8 months after our last dog died, that I have stopped  thinking they are in the back seat. There are certain words that Gray and I  used to have to say in code because the
 dogs understood them and would get all  excited (e.g. walk, hungry, food, grandma -- they loved my mom and knew her  by "grandma"). Sometimes we still find ourselves avoiding those words, and  when we realize we don't need to anymore it really hurts. I feel like I see  Simon every time I see a picture of a round-faced orange cat. It has gotten  to the point in our house where most weeks have a death anniversary in them.  This Saturday is Buddy's. It is about all we can do sometimes just to go on. Michelle  In a message dated 1/17/2006 5:58:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  Wendy I feel the same as you do.I am still waiting for a sign that she  forgives me and knows that I love her so much.It 

Re: OT: Dreams

2006-01-17 Thread tamara stickler
Wendy,I agree that I think you need to relax a bit before you will be able to visit with Cricket. Often times, the animal may need to attend to something or someone else before being able to visit with you again. I had a very old poodle, KC, that I collected from the city streets, that had cancer -had her operated on once but it came back. The day I took her back to the vet for the results, I told her before I left the house that I promised to bring her home, (I don't believe she was ready to "go" yet). The vet saidcancer had come back, and I had allowed my mother and the vet to talk me into putting her down right then and there...even though she was having a good day. I broke my word to her, betrayed herand felt horribly guilty (even to this day). I was sure she was mad at me, felt as I did that I had betrayed her. When I tried to visit
 with her in my dreams...much like you, I was walking the streets (seemingly very real) of a city not the one I found her in , but a city all the samecleaner tho somehow, but I couldn't find her. Finally after months of walking that same street, I saw her...but her coat was dancing with a million small motes of colored light, and she was trotting parallel with mebut it was as if she didnt' see me, she was on a mission. And she faded away. About two years later, I saw her briefly in a dream sitting on an older lady's lap...happy. See, KC never belonged to me. I picked her up, nearly starved, off the street, and although she was a wonderful dog for the two years I had her...whenever she woke up, she looked so happy, until she looked around and saw us. I know she loved me, and she had moments of happiness, and was grateful, but there was someone out there that she had been seperated from that she loved first, someone she had wantedto
 find before she could bother herself with me. Your Cricket is a cat afterallhe will come to you in his own good time. :-) In the meantime, accept what his housemates are trying to tell you...he is ok, he still exists...and they will bring him back to you when the time is right. Next time you dream you are walking in those fields calling his name. Stop walking. Sit down. and Give a cat a chance to be a cattell him you are going to wait right there for him to come to you. And busy yourself in memories (good ones) of him...(He isn't your pet anymore, he's his own little self, as he always was..but more so now...besidesI bet he didn't always come when you called him in lifewhy expect him to in the next...he IS aCAT afterall! ;-) He'llcome to you when HE'S ready.Important: Try in your dream...not to "remember that he's dead". HE
 isn't dead...his body is. That thought seems to be blocking you from "seeing" him. "He's dead", so of course you won't find him, "he's dead" so of course he won't come. His body is dead...that's all...only his body. Everything that WAS Cricket still exists, its just different is all. (A last explanation could be simply this: Cricket had nothing left to fulfill...so he didn't hang around, you and his housemates gave him everything he needed to move on from the first. If that's the case ...be happy about that - for him- and let him go. The love always remains, but sometimes, the spirits have to move on ahead.)God Bless  be at Peace.  T   On Tue, 17 Jan 2006, wendy wrote:   Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 08:26:08 -0800
 (PST)  From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject: OT: Dreams   Hi guys,   I wanted to ask everyone's opinions/thoughts on  dreaming about kitties you have lost. I know it's OT,  but I have a hard enough time keeping up with the  posts here, so joining the OT list is not an option  for me time-wise.   Since Cricket has passed, I have continued to look for  signs from him letting me know he's ok. The best I  have gotten is a dismembered cricket that my other two  kitties left by my bed a day or so after he passed,  which was weird because I haven't seen any other  crickets anywhere, inside or out this year.   A couple
 of nights ago, I dreamed I was walking around  everywhere calling for Cricket. I couldn't find him  anywhere and kept finding myself in all these  different places. Rolling hillsides, snow-covered  forests, places I didn't recognize. The dream was so  real. And all I did was call for Cricket the whole  time, like I used to when he would sneak out of the  backyard when I wasn't paying attention so he could  explore the neighborhood. "Crick, Crickeee," over  and over and over. I started panicking in my dream,  and of course when I woke up, I got upset because I  knew the reason I couldn't find him in my dream was  that he was dead. It really disturbed me.   Apparently, I still need closure. I still have guilt  over
 Cricket's passing, even though I know the facts.  I am disappointed that I haven't seen or heard  something that lets me know he's ok and that he isn't  mad at me. Do you 

Re: OT: Dreams

2006-01-17 Thread tamara stickler
Wendy,As I'm reading your letter exposing all the guilt and regret that you feel...I can just picture your Cricket, with his paws stretched out in front of him in that regal way they have, a smug small smile on his face as if to say, "My human...she always overthinks everything!" Trust that he understands it ALL now. Afterall, he's smarter than we humanshe's a CAT.  ;-)wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Tamara,I am laughing through my tears right now reading yourpost. You are so right, Cricket never came to me whenI called when he was outside because he knew that mosttimes it was time to go inside. He always wanted tobe outside all the time. I laughed when I read that. His own good time might be a
 while from now! The story about KC really moved me. And it'swonderful that you are so understanding about KC andher former owner, especially since it probably hurtyou. You are very perceptive too; a lot of peoplewould have missed the signs in that dream, includingme. I know how you feel though. I do feel terriblyguilty. I told him that it would be ok before he gotthe gas and it wasn't. Nevermind that he was very badoff and was going to be pts anyway that evening had Inot decided to try to save him one last time. Nevermind that I did everything I possibly could havefor him the whole time he was in my care. Andnevermind that I loved him dearly. I didn't get to"talk" to him before he left, we were in such a hurry(on the vets schedule) after I got off work. I soregret not taking five extra minutes to just love onhim and realize that this might be the last time we'dspeak. I just never allowed myself to think that
 andI'm so sorry now I didn't. I didn't really get to saygood-bye.Thank you for sharing with me Tamara. I feel better. Several people have given me a lot to think about, andmaybe this guilt thing will eventually subside andallow me to communicate with Cricket again.God bless you too,:)Wendy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com   
	
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Re: advice needed re half-adopted cat

2005-12-20 Thread tamara stickler
Chances are good that if the person who has "adopted" Misha doesn't take the cat inside on weekends or evenings, esp. in the winter, that he didn't bother to pay the extra expense to have the cat microchipped.There are two ways to proceed (as I see it), explain to the person that Misha will most likely be attacked again, poisened or hit by a car etcif left unattended. (You can always say that you overheard a few people talking about that "damn cat" and discussing how best to get rid of it.if they ask who, say you didn't know them, but overheard them describing the cat and the fact that it was urinating outside of the buildins...and the were outraged by this...) Explain that not only will this result in horrific pain and fear for the cat, but added expense for the "owner" if the cat manages to drag itself "home". Also explain that should the cat bite or scratch anyone or anyone's pet, or be perceived as having done so,
 even in self defense or while trying to get away from someone who just wanted to "pet the kitty", the "owner" would be held financially or (depending on which state you are in) criminally responsible, as it is unlawful in most states to let you "pets" roam. Explain that an indoor cat is less likely to bring home fleas and other diseases, and how a well fed indoor cat makes an exceptional mouser.2)Call Animal Control to complain about the loose/stray cat in your area. Reports are kept confidential if you request they be. Animal Control will pick up the cat (if it has been microchipped) the owner will be notified and fined. If it hasn't been notified, simply contact the shelter in your area that Animal Control deposits at and "adopt" the cat when it is time, then you can find a better home for it, or your friend with contacts at the shelter might be able too.Good
 luck."MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hi guys  The same good friend who told me about the kitty with litterbox problems that was under threat of pts (apparently happily resolved, for now at any rate) updated me on another situation.   Background:  Misha is a stray that was sort of taken in by the people who work in a studio at the same business complex where my friend works. I say sort of because although two of the
 workers took her to the vet after she was badly attacked, and although they feed her, they don't take her home at the weekend: ie no one is actually making Misha their responsibility. In the summer and fall Misha would be found outside after they had all locked up and gone home for the weekend. When my friend, distressed by Misha's situation,offered to try to find Misha a home, the studio owner (who my friend saysseems to bea reasonable, decent guy) rejected the proposal, saying that they had "adopted" her. Recently -- and it is really cold now--- my friend found Misha miaowing in vain at the studio door to be let in. My friend knocked on the door, and one of the other workers (not the owner) opened it. When she explained the cat needed to come in, the response to her was "Haven't you got anything better to do?"  Q--where do we go from here?  
 If my friend justtakes Misha, there's a chance a surveillance camera will record the action as it's a business location.Also, even if she did that, when she takes her to the vet, what happens if she's been microchipped by those people? Is the vet legally/ethically prevented from removing the chip and replacing it? Obligated to contact the people? My friend would not be keeping Misha as she's allergic to cats; she'd want my help in placing her in the shelter whereI have a good contact. Not ideal but she would at least be cared for there. However, I'd need to know how to resolve the chip situation first.  My friend's proposal was to talk to the owner again and try to make him understand that someone needs to take proper responsibility for the cat. My feeling was that ifshe fails, then she
 will be the first person he suspects if and when shekidnaps Misha. And the scene could turn ugly.  Even if I were to find and"rescue" the catwhen I"happen to be passing by" at the weekend the microchip Q still arises. (We don't know if she's microchipped -- is there a way for a layperson to scan her without vet involvement?)  All input/info welcome on how Misha gets the care she deserves---I've no experience in this field---yet. ButI know some of youheroes do.  Kerry=00IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe  Maw LLP to be used and
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OT: Steph's horse

2005-11-28 Thread tamara stickler
Steph...I know this may sound a little: "out there" but did you ever try an animal communicator to figure out what's wrong with her? (I've been told by skeptics that they were made believers...)TSteph E Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Step, what's wrong with your horse? Arthritis? How old is she?She's around 7... and they've got no idea what's wrong, just that she's lame in her right front. It's in her shoulder, a very tough place to figure out...So, she's a pasture ornament right now... Drives her crazy, she loves to work and ride, and I think she gets her feelings hurt because I still ride my other two.Thanks for asking!Steph  
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Re: evil vegans...?

2005-11-23 Thread tamara stickler
Wendy's remarks brought to mind an old story I heard in church once: An old man was walking along the beach after a storm. The beach was FULL of thousands of star fish. Eventually he came upon two small children running up and down the beach, picking up starfish and flinging them back into the ocean. The man said to the two children, "What are you doing? You can't possibly save them all, what difference do all your efforts make?" One of the children replied..."Wellit makes all the difference in the world to the ones we save."veggiepugs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Wendy-In response to your question...I have received opposition to my being vegan quite a few times. More often than not, people ask my why I'm vegan and grill me as to all the if's  and's like "well what about plants,
 don't plants feel pain?"...check out www.askcarla.com for all the questions that people ask. She covers them all. People try and stump me, try and make me feel as though my choice is a ridiculous one. But, it's just that...it's my choice and I NEVER push it on anyone. My philosophy being a vegan is this: I choose this path because it is what suits ME and fits MY beliefs. If I expect tolerance from others, I have to have tolerance for their decisions as well. Sure I wish more of the world felt the same way about all animals to the extent that it might change their actions towards them, but for me to protest and force people and shove things in their face, be violent or obnoxious completely contradicts the very core of veganism...Compassion. If one feels compassion for living beings, that must include humans. We all live on the same planet. OK I'm getting a bit preachy here but, the point is, I have learned not to get angry. I just realize that very often, people like these
 are threatened by my choice, because somewhere deep down they feel remorse about their decisions. Those who are comfortable and secure in their choices react otherwise. They say to me "I admire that, but I could never do that". You should see some of these groups that are formed that are anti-vegan, anti-animal activists, they should just call themselves "anti-compassion" because really, that's how they behave. They're so angry and so hell-bent on getting the last word they forget to stop and take a look at what kind of person they are. Or, they don't care. Some people just have a malicious bone in their body that makes them want to be that way. Some people are so angry at the world and need everyone to know it. That is not what I personally want to be.I was once kicked out of a pug group because I asked ONE question about vegan diets for dogs in the wrong place. It was a simple, non-threatening question and boy was I attacked"how could you even consider that! how could
 you impose your beliefs on your own dog! its not right" basically telling me I was out of my mind if I thought that dogs could be on a vegan diet. I even asked them to give me the pros and cons and give me the benefit of their experience either way. Well, don't we impose on domestic animals to begin with? Whether we choose to feed them vegetables or meat...aren't we imposing our decision on them either way? Either way...it's not up to them. They don't get to choose what food they eat, or when, or how much. We do. I have a whol long essay on this, veganism, animals and natural behavior, I've written a lot of "articles" about the subject and yes, I used to be an angry vegetarian when I first started but I have learned a lot along the way and come to accept things for what they are and do my part in my corner of the world and make a difference in my corner. Many askhow can you think you're making a difference? And I say...if it makes a difference to oneit makes a
 difference. Someone here, I can't recall who has a signature quote that says something about saving one animal makes no difference in the world, but it makes a world of difference to that animal. So true. That in and of itself is a huge difference. How many people can say they changed or even saved a life in their lifetime? That's a huge thing. And it isn't just one person, it's millions of people around the world who feel as we do about animals and caring for them that make a collective difference. And it doesnt have to mean you have to be vegan to do that. Any step towards compassion and selflessness towards another human being is a step in the direction of making a difference. Little or big...a difference is a difference...to somebody. Hugs...RebeccaMessage: 5Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:53:36 -0800 (PST)From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Conflict on being veganTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgMessage-ID:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1I have a question: why in the world would anyone takeoffense to the personal choice of being a vegan?Especially to the point of kicking a vegan out of agroup? I don't understand this concept. I couldfathom a group of vegans not wanting a non-vegan intheir 

RE: Guard cat

2005-11-04 Thread tamara stickler
There was a story on the web and on the local news last year about a guard cat, so obviously...they can be as good as dogs at that kind of thing.

The unique thing about this cat: She was rescued from the pound, found as a stray, her eyes were so infected they had to be removed. She was an adult when her family took her in. Apparently when the burgler broke into the house in the middle of the night, she actually attacked him! The family heard the growl and other rukus and came down to find the window broken and blood everywhere, including on their cat. Luckily none of the blood belonged to the catand they found the burgler whose face, neck and shoulders had been superfically - but thoroughly shredded. The cat won a neighborhood watch award. I can't remember her name or the actual city thothe cat was a little tortie who was missing both eyes."Wolf, Leah R." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Very good idea to alert all the neighbors; if the individual is prowling the neighborhood frequently, he will eventually be caught since people will be looking for him.Leah-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of wendySent: Friday, November 04, 2005 11:03 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Guard catYes, we called the police and they came out this morning and looked our place over, but there's not much they can do. My husband wanted to go out and catch the guy but I told him if the guy had a gun, that wouldn't be too smart. The police came out twice for my neighbor too, but said the same thing. I am going to notify all my neighbors this afternoon to be on the lookout. --- "Wolf, Leah R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Wendy,
  I do hope that you have notified the police.   Leah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of wendy Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 10:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Guard cat   I have a story for you guys. This morning I was up at 5:30 am supervising my nephew while he finished his math homework. My black cat, Pepper, jumped up on the bay window seat in the dining area and started pawing at the south window. I went over to her and wrapped my arms around her and started telling her how cute she was. I didn't bother to look out the window. Pepper usually does that on a lower window if she sees another cat, but this time, the window was up high. The next thing I know, my husband walked in and said "Were you just outside?" and I said "no, why?". He said, "Are you sure
 you weren't just outside?" and I said "no". He said that someone was sneaking past the bathroom window, which is frosted, towards the dining area windows. He thought it was me playing a trick on him, so he tapped on the window, and whoever it was, ran off. That's when he came to see if it was me. We live in a quiet neighborhood, but my neighbor down the street said that he's had to replace PVC pipe for his sprinkler system twice in the past week because someone was stepping on it and crushed it. The pipe is right in front of his daughter's window and when he repaired it the second time, he noticed that there was a crack in her blinds where someone could see in. So I guess we have a pervert hanging around, or living in, our neighborhood unfortunately. But I thought it was really cool that Pepper tried to tell me the way she did. Talk about animal communication! Cats are so awesome! __  Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice
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Re: Guard cat

2005-11-04 Thread tamara stickler
Wendy,

You're going out of town, but what about Pepper?wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nina,Yes, I fussed over Pepper this morning after thepolice left, and I could swear by the look on her facethat she was so proud of herself. She was probablysaying, "See momma, I told you there was someone outthere but you weren't listening!" lol. We have apuppy who is about 5 months old that my husband foundon a road by his work. Ironically, we had taken himto my mother's last night because we're going out oftown and she's going to take care of him. I think ifhe were there that he would have barked or growled. Makes me wonder if it was just bad timing, or if theprowler has been watching, you know? I am creeped outand glad we're going out of town so I won't worryabout it. We have a security system, so I do feelsafe at night. But my nephew gets home about an hourbefore I do, so I'm a little worried about him. Itold
 him to reset the alarm as soon as he gets homeand not to go outside. It's hard to believe we haveso many weirdo's out there.:)Wendy__ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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Re: Guard cat

2005-11-04 Thread tamara stickler
Not to alarm you undully, but if this peeping tom breaks into the house...who will guard Pepper? He could be looking to steal...trying to see what you all have, and if he sees the house is empty

Or if he is in the process of stealing and Pepper gets out...whose to know until you get back?

I'm really NOT trying to be cruel here, but we had a case in town about 4 yrs. back where the burgler...uhm...microwaved the cat. He got three years in jail. 

Now usually, burglers leave the pets aloneput, if one might possibly be staking out your home.

Isn't there anyone you can leave Pepper with while you are gone?wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Pepper will guard the house...;)--- tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Wendy,  You're going out of town, but what about Pepper?  wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Nina,  Yes, I fussed over Pepper this morning after the police left, and I could swear by the look on her face that she was so proud of herself. She was probably saying, "See momma, I told you there was someone out there but you weren't listening!" lol. We have a puppy who is about 5 months old that my husband found on a road by his work. Ironically, we had taken him to my mother's last night because we're going out of town and she's going to take care of him. I think if he were there that he would have barked or growled.  Makes me wonder
 if it was just bad timing, or if the prowler has been watching, you know? I am creeped out and glad we're going out of town so I won't worry about it. We have a security system, so I do feel safe at night. But my nephew gets home about an hour before I do, so I'm a little worried about him. I told him to reset the alarm as soon as he gets home and not to go outside. It's hard to believe we have so many weirdo's out there.  :) Wendy __  Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005  http://mail.yahoo.com- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005
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Re: Need encouragement, PLEASE

2005-10-07 Thread tamara stickler
Patti,

I know how you are feeling, but try not to desolve into guilt. What you MUST ALWAYS REMEMBER when doing rescues, is that each animal is a complete soul unto itself. While they are at the mercy of humans, they are not human infants. Nature has given them brains, intelligence and a will all their own. They ultimately make their own choices, and that is the way it is supposed to be.

Keep putting out the food. Don't try to trap her againjust treat the barn like its her home, if she chooses to, she will come back and make it a home. It could just take time.

A "feral" showed up at my parents home 2years ago. They've been adopted by two cats that have moved from their acutal home down the street and my parents feed, water, vet and house the twins-Tom  Jerry and have been for years (they are both indoor/outdoor cats- even tho Dad would rather they stay IN.) Anyway, about1.5 yrs ago(shorting after the other cat they were feeding HissPuff - a true feral who chose their company, but never their touch had died -they started seeing an orange blob showin through the woods, just sitting looking at the house. Occasionally we would hear a "meow"...when Dad answered it, the cat would answer back. A few months later, he came closer and eventually was eating at the front stoop with T  J...or rather I should say, when they weren't around. He would fly whenever he saw Mom  Dad. A few more months passed and he'd stay in the bushes while the bowls were filled, and call to
 them. His face was always crusted over, eyes looked like they bleed and the other cats would beat the sh*t out of him whenever they got the chance. Through the winter, Mom couldn't stand it as he would lay curled up and shivering against the basement windows, but wouldn't come near anyone. She decided to trap him and take him to the shelter, figuring death was better than suffering the elements. She rented the trap for 10 days. "Tabby" never showed his tail once. She returned the trap, he came back, she rented it again for five days, again, Tabby never showed, but Tom and Jerry continued to take turns spending the night in it!...(idiots!) I told Mom that he had chosen his own destiny, and if that was his decision, she had to respect it. She agreed. (Now, as I don't live at home, I had only seen Tabby 2 or 3 xs myself and everything I knew of him was relayed by Mom  Dad. Well my Quintapus died, and since Mom is worried
 about becoming the "cat lady" of the neighborhood (she really isn't a cat person at all), I made a point of meeting Tabby face to face. I didn't try to touch him, but would sweet talk him from a distance, and he would rub against a rock or tree, roll over and stretch...answer back with his soft "meow". I decided he wasn't feral, just scared and told Dad so. (My father...the Cat Whispherer! Dad puts the cats out-at their choice -in the early evening, tells them to "be back by Ten!" and they are...go figure) I told Dad if he could work with Tabby, I'd take him. All my father ever needed in life was a Mission! SO, there sits my father for hours on end each evening after locking the twin terrors up, sweet talking the orange, puss-y, weeping bag of hair. Three months later, Tabby-Bear is basically a house cat now. His eyes look beautiful, Dad has threatened the twin-terrors with a supersoaker whenever they consider beating up on
 him. And no, he won't become my cat, he's Dad's. 

You just have to let them choose their own liveslike grown children, perhaps.You'll loose a few, but that's noton you. You'll win a few, and really you can't take credit for that either...its THEIR choice. Hang in there.
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Dear List,
I am feeling VERY downtrodden  blue. I don't know what to do, where to turn. I FEEL SO OVER-RIDDEN w/ guilt, I can't stop crying.

It's a long story, I will try to condense.
Kerry is a little familiar as she is also on the Four Paws Feral list, and also I have mentioned "Charity's" store on this list. (Although she is FELV-)

Early in July, some cruel, a**hole dumped a box under my neighbor's bushes which contained a young Mama  2, 5 week old kittens.
Needless to say, since the box was NOT secure, Mama escaped, (apparently to try to find her way "HOME" to the low-lifes that dumped her! I can not, nor will I EVER be able to understand the love  dedication an innocent baby will demonstrate toward the sc*m that abused her!!!)

Anyway, I took the babies in, since they needed to be bottle fed  would have died if left to the elements, or predators.
Several days later, I noticed the poor, bedraggled Mama had made it back, looking for her babies,  was hanging out down by the barn.
I immediately got a Hav-A-Heart trap, and had her in less than 10 minutes.
She was dirty, starved...broke my heart.
But, it did not break her spirit!!!
On moving her from trap to crate, she 

Re: fleas/hypocrisy.../KIT

2005-10-05 Thread tamara stickler
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i tend to limit my compassion to critters with four or fewer legs.as to why fleas and cockroaches exist--i have NO idea whatsoever, but i do believe that they sit around and laugh at us and our attempts to exterminate them, knowing as they do that that predate us by millenia and can expect to survive long after we are gone from memory!i think spiders are great, in theory, but i'm one of those with an irrational fear of them--has something to do with my being found playing with a black widow on a vacation when i was about 4, i think; family sort of overreacted i don't kill them--part of my fear is that if i get close enough to them to harm them, they can get me first! so every year when they start to appear, i make a deal with them--if they do NOT crawl over me, nor drop down in front of me on their silk, they get to live indoors with me! they, of course, don't
 seem to realize that even if they do, i'm not really gonna do anything (see above)--or perhaps they're just humoring me. i always loved the, "they're more afraid of you than you are of them" line: well, i've never seen one of them run screaming from ME! i'm a LOT better now that i used to be--i no longer leave the house when i know there are any in the house, nor jump off of/out of moving vehicles when i see one (did in a bike that way once)--nor do i keep track of their every movement in the house! hee hee had a friend in bangor, ME who called the cops once to get them to come get a big spider out of his house. needless to say, they did NOT respond-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
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Re: HELP...Skunk

2005-09-29 Thread tamara stickler
TOMATO JUICE! Bath him in that...works better than anything on the market.Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

My dog got spraqyed by a skunk how do I make him smell better to transport him to the vet for a bathany ideas???
Please help
Cherie
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Re: HELP...Skunk

2005-09-29 Thread tamara stickler
You might have to ask the vet about that, I'm sure they've come across that question before!

Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Thanks, another question is he never set foot in the house yet...it reaks how do I fix that, any thoughts?Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Cherie -Do you have any Vinegar? (Apple Cider/White/Balsamic it doesn't matter)Do you have any Douche? Do you have any Tomatoe Juice?There is also a product you can get at pet supply stores called Skunk off.Whatever you do have on hand - drench him in it - sort of like basting aturkey - over and over. This should help alleviate the overwhelming smellsomewhat. Good luck.Kat (Mew Jersey)On Thu, 29 Sep 2005, Cherie A Gabbert wrote: Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 04:52:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Cherie A Gabbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: HELP...Skunk My dog got spraqyed by a skunk how do I make him smell better to transport him to the vet for a bathany ideas??? Please help Cherie
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Re: anyone know anything about these shelters

2005-08-30 Thread tamara stickler
Kerry,

No unfortunately I can't help you with these, but- please don't recommend any shelter without first visiting it yourself. I placed a felv+ cat at a shelter that came highly recommended by many in the rescue field...when I got there, the place was a sty-an absolute horror After I re-contacted all who recommended it, I found that all did so on second or third or more- party info. Luckily, I found a better home for the cat I was placing there, but suffice to say...death would have been better.
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Re: To all who have taken in a stray...ie. everyone!

2005-08-10 Thread tamara stickler
too funny..and too true!Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





So true

Terri

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Subject: OT: To all who have taken in a stray...ie. everyone!
Stray Catby Francis WithamOh, what unhappy twist of fateHas brought you, homeless, to my gateThe gate where once another stoodTo beg for shelter, warmth and food?For from that day I ceased to beThe master of my destiny,While she, with purr and velvet pawBecame, within my house, The Law.She scratched the furniture and shedAnd claimed the middle of my bed.She ruled in arrogance and prideAnd broke my heart the day she died.So, if you really think, oh catI'd willingly relive all thatBecause you come, forlorn and thinWell, don't just stand there,Come on in!"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will beunique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; Youbecome responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine deSaint-Exupéry"If you talk to the animals they will
 talk with you and you will knoweach other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief DanGeorge
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Re: thoughts Adri is dead

2005-07-25 Thread tamara stickler
Oh, Alejandra,
There is no such thing as "just a cat"(although theremay be afew "just humans" outthere ) :-) Adri was the embodiment of pure love which comes only from God the Creator. Animals DO have souls. Just read the posts about Chessie and you'll see proof of that from those who have replied.
If you are Christian, read the bible to know for certain that the have souls. In the story of Noah and the flood, there is mention that if an animal draws human blood it will have to answer for that in the afterlife, plus, why bother saving any animals at all if they weren't worth as much as humans. Christ compares Himself to a lamb...(why if they are of no consquence?).Godnamed us as "stewarts" of the animals...why, if they were inconsquential? In Revelations the angels descend to Earth from Heavenon the backs of horsesHow did they get there if animals have no souls?
The Creator loves all Its creations and I don't think He/She/It would suffer to loose one just because the body can no longer hold the soul.
Someone once said the reason it hurts so much when they pass is because they take a bit of our soul with them, BUT they leave a bit of their's with us.
The reason you cried for Adri and not for some people you've known and loved who have died, He was a daily part of your life, who accepted you for what you ARE not who he wanted you to be. He gave you unconditional love and companionship and asked for nothing but food and love in return. He was SO lucky to have found you! and Adri knew it.
You will always be together, bound by love. Try to hold onto that when the sorrow overwhelms. It will get better with time. I promise!
Peace and Blessings,
T
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Thank you.Since I am new in town I do knowmany people here. Your words and support mean a lot for me.
I have been thinking very "weir" things: Do you think animals have soul? do they move to another place? how we knowif they don't just disappear?
You know? I could help notice that I never have cry for the people that have diein other countries in the war,starving in Africa, accidents, etc I mean I feel very sorry and I think it is awfull; butI never have cryed for them as I have cried for Adri. Adri is just a cat. Is it wrong?
Alejandra
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Adri is deadDate: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 02:53:51 EDTI am so sorry I know exactly how you feel. I am going through the same thingwith my Buck, but he is still holding on. I think he really wants to go bewith his brother. Give Chemalots of love. I'll be praying for you.Sheila


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Re: Prayers for Buck

2005-07-22 Thread tamara stickler
Shelia,

You have my prayers. If Buck does pass, try to be happy for him, and don't blame yourself. Some animals and people prefer to be together always through all things. 

I knew two people who were friends as toddlers, grew into adulthood, married, lived together for 65 years and died within two hours of one another. The woman had cancer and developed pneumonia, she had to be hospitalized .her husband had a heart attack the day after she was admitted to the hospital. His son was with the father when he passed, his last words, "go be with your sister," who was with the mother in a hospital 45 miles away. Meanwhile while the son was in-route, the mother smiled, took her daughter's hand and said, "baby...its time for me to go, Daddy's coming to take me home..." her smile widened, "hey handsome", she whispered, started to sit up, then just slipped away. The daughter didn't know her father had passed until her brother rushed into the room ten minutes later.

What I'm getting at is, even though it breaks our hearts to loose those we lovefor them, there is often such JOYin going home.

How lucky both Buck and Spanky are to call you family  friend! God bless you all and thank you for giving them a chance at a life with love. Its people like you who give me hope for the humanity.

TAt 10:18 PM 7/21/2005, you wrote:Hi Guys, I hope you all will pray for my boy Buck who is at the Vets tonight in critical condition. Buck is brother to Spanky who I lost suddenly last week. He is suffering from another blockage and this time the Doctor doesn't give much hope for recovery. Buck and Spanky were both felv + since kittens, but you would never know it to look at them. He is a 20lb sweet baby. Monday he started to mope around and stopped eating. I thought he was missing his brother. They were always together playing or sleeping, just like twins one always seemed to know what the other was thinking. I didn't realize he was sick, he hid it well. The vets around here close all day Wed so I couldn't get him to a doc until this morning. So now he may die because I didn't get him to a doctor sooner. I haven't had the chance to get over losing Spanky and now I may
 lose him too. I think that is why I didn't spot his illness. I guess maybe he wants to be with his brother but if he leaves me it will break my heart. Thanks for listening and please send good thoughts his way. Sheila
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RE: Help for Adri

2005-07-22 Thread tamara stickler
Alejandra,

Make certain the chicken broth doesn't have salt in it, she could be dehydrating. If you can find a vet that will try subq's with her, try it. If you don't have the money, ask if you could work it off by cleaning cages or whatever. Many vets will allow you to trade work for care in servere casescall around in the phone book.

Good luck, You are both in my prayers.

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These last day i have been feeding her with chiquen boath and tuna, I spend like 3 hours but at the end she barely eat 1 teaspoon and drink like 3tablespoon. since yesterday, she does not want anything. yesterday she drink like 1 tablespoon all day. I am thinking in use a sirige. the vet told me she is in very bad shape; and send me toan animal hospital, he told me that itisprobable she dies.I haven't took her to the hospital because I do not have money (only the consult is 85) but ican not be here watching her, i think i am going to the hospital and I will ask if the accept I paythe bill in a monthly bases
From: "Chris" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Help for AdriDate: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 16:49:56 -0400I'm not really experienced enough to give you specifics. I know there areother people on this list who are and perhaps they can give you somesuggestions. I know that getting her to drink is real important so anythingyou can do to get her to take some water. also, try to feed her anything atall-water from a can of tuna, baby food (without onions), turkey breast,yogurt, cottage cheese, absolutely anything that you think she might try.Did the vet see her? What did he say was going on with her? I know thatsometimes they want to run a lot of tests but he should have been able togive you a better idea of what's going on
 with Adri..Chris mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martha AlejandraMorenoSent: Friday, July 22, 2005 4:43 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: re:She is very pale, she does not want to eat, to drink, to walk, she barelymoves; (she never meauw) but since today when she try to walk and fall shestart to make a very sad noise it is not a normal meaw is loud and differentI do not how to decribe it__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 

Re: OT: Pit bull seizures in Denver

2005-07-21 Thread tamara stickler
Yeah, I heard about this. Some friends of mine from college had there pit bulls taken and the county refused to release them because the older one growled at the control officers. They broke into the pound in the middle of the night and stole them back. Its amazing what some moxey and a pair of bolt-cutters can do for you.. They now live, altogether again, in New York state.Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





I know this is off topic but I remember the discussions we had about pitt bulls a couple of months ago  wondered if anyone had seen this…
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Denver Pit Bull Owners in a Panic Over Ban
July 20, 2005 7:38 PM EDT
DENVER - A few weeks ago, two police cars and two animal control vehicles pulled up at the home of Stef'ny Steffen looking for her beloved 4-year-old pit bull, Xena. Seven officers hauled the animal off to the city shelter, putting her on death row.
Xena became an outlaw after Denver won a court fight and reinstated one of the toughest pit-bull bans in the nation. Since May, more than 380 dogs have been impounded and at least 260 destroyed - an average of more than three a day.
Dog owners are in a panic. Some are using an underground railroad of sorts, sending their pets to live elsewhere or hiding them from authorities. City officials would not estimate how many people might be violating the ordinance.
Some owners, like Steffen, have won a reprieve for their pets with help from a rescue group. The group got Xena released by signing an affidavit stating that the animal would never return to Denver. The group took the dog to Mariah's Promise in Divide, an animal sanctuary that has accepted more than three dozen pit bulls from Denver.
For Steffen and her partner, Gina Black, leaving Xena 60 miles from home was a lousy option but the only one they had.
"It's safer than animal control. Safer than keeping her underground - at least she'll be able to play now," Steffen said. "But she'll miss us. We're her pack."
Denver is one of three major metropolitan areas, along with Miami and Cincinnati, to ban pit bulls, according to Glen Bui, vice president of the American Canine Foundation.
Pit bull typically describes three kinds of dogs - the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. But Denver's ban applies to any dog that looks like a pit bull. The animal's actual behavior does not matter.
City Councilman Charlie Brown said that in his judgment, "pit bulls are trained to attack. They're bred to do that."
Critics of the ban use words like "annihilation" and "genocide," and the city shelter has received e-mails likening animal control officers to Nazis.
"Breed bans are just a knee-jerk reaction to something that happened in the community," Bui said.
Denver banned pit bulls in 1989 after dogs mauled a minister and killed a boy in separate attacks. The Legislature passed a law in 2004 that prohibited breed-specific bans, but the city sued and a judge ruled in April the law was an unconstitutional violation of local control.
Critics of the ordinance say that a blanket ban on an entire breed is misguided that the law should instead target irresponsible owners and all dangerous dogs.
"If anyone says one dog is more likely to kill - unless there's a study out there that I haven't seen - that's not based on scientific data," said Julie Gilchrist, a doctor at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention who researches dog bites.
The CDC, the American Veterinary Medical Association and the Humane Society of the United States examined 20 years of dog-bite data and concluded that pit bulls and Rottweilers caused the most deaths.
But the researchers also noted that fatal attacks represent a small proportion of dog-bite injuries and that the number of bites per breed simply seems to rise with their popularity.
At the city shelter, pit bulls are cordoned off from other dogs in what has become death row. Nearly 100 pit bulls have been released to live outside the county. A nonresident must guarantee the dog will never return to Denver.
Sonya Dias, who is moving out of Denver because of the ban, said she was a little intimidated by her pit bull when she first saw him. But "when I said, `Hey little doggie,' his whole body just started wagging." Gryffindor is staying at Mariah's Promise until Dias sells her home.
"He's been dangerous to a couple of pairs of shoes and some mini-blinds," Dias said. "But otherwise he's a jewel."
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RE: Pregnant women trying to get rid of her cats

2005-07-07 Thread tamara stickler
Tell your friend that unless she plans in basically bathing in the cats' waste as the box is cleanedit'll be ok. IF it was SO much of a danger...with cats being the number one pet in America, there would be an overwhelming amount of brain damaged people walking around.oh waitdid I just proove the doctor's pt.?..oh well.tell her not to freak out. As long as she and hubby are smart, and keep things clean (as I hope they are if they're going to have kids!!) ...she has a better chance of hitting the lottery...grand prize...than endangering the infant.
At 06:22 PM 7/6/2005, you wrote:I need a help – I have a colleague who is trying to get rid of her two boy cats (declawed) sine she found out that she is pregnant – she wanted to keep the cats since she has had them since they were babies (they are now 4 years old), but her husband is panicking over what her doctor said about danger of having cats around the pregnant woman, and trying to get rid of the kitties.Does any have literature or anything I can give to her to read so that it’s really not dangerous to have cats in reality – I just never heard of anyone who is actually having a problem – but am I wrong – any help is appreciated. Thank you!Hideyo__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? 
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RE: Pregnant women trying to get rid of her cats

2005-07-07 Thread tamara stickler
Oh, another tip. Tell her to use litterbox liners...(or for cost's sake, a tall kitchen trashbag flattened out on the bottom of the pan, lockedgesin place with a litterbox that has one of those clip down edges). This way, she/he never has to touch the litter, just slide on end of the pan into another bag, tilt to empty, replace liner and litter. Wipe pan edge (Lysol disinfecting wipes work great)and bottom (b/4 replacing liner) as needed. Cuts down considerably on time and effort needed to change the box, not to mention MESS!tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Tell your friend that unless she plans in basically bathing in the cats' waste as the box is cleanedit'll be ok. IF it was SO much of a danger...with cats being the number one pet in America, there would be an overwhelming amount of brain damaged people walking around.oh waitdid I just proove the doctor's pt.?..oh well.tell her not to freak out. As long as she and hubby are smart, and keep things clean (as I hope they are if they're going to have kids!!) ...she has a better chance of hitting the lottery...grand prize...than endangering the infant.
At 06:22 PM 7/6/2005, you wrote:I need a help – I have a colleague who is trying to get rid of her two boy cats (declawed) sine she found out that she is pregnant – she wanted to keep the cats since she has had them since they were babies (they are now 4 years old), but her husband is panicking over what her doctor said about danger of having cats around the pregnant woman, and trying to get rid of the kitties.Does any have literature or anything I can give to her to read so that it’s really not dangerous to have cats in reality – I just never heard of anyone who is actually having a problem – but am I wrong – any help is appreciated. Thank you!Hideyo
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Re: My Rescue Senior Siamese...CRF website info

2005-06-28 Thread tamara stickler
Here are the addresses for two WONDERFUL support groups. I used them when my cat was diagnosed with CRF (chronic renal failure). Many of the cats on these sites have lived 5 and more years with the CRF and are still doing well today. 

You will learn more than the vet can tell you...and often better info. than your vet can give you.
Good luck.

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Have you been doing subcutaneous fluids? Forgive me if you have been doing this already, but it makes the hugest difference with kidney failure. Cats can live for years, until quite old, with kidney failure on fluids. There is a really helpful yahoo group for CRF with cats who have lived for many years with the disease.
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Re: question bout kittens....

2005-06-27 Thread tamara stickler
Good Lord MaryChristine! 

I admire you for wanting to do what's best for all of them, esp. the possible Felv+ ones...and I know many of you have your pos.  neg. mixed.but since you won't (I'm assuming) be keeping all of these cats and kittens...(personally) I don't think its a good idea to risk the majority for the minority. The others will be hard enough to place without having to tell prospective adopters that they were exposed to possible Felv+ cats, when MOST people don't understand that it is treatable. The fact is, it isn't curiable and you risk having to placetwenty-something Felv+ kittens (who many, if contracting the virius in infancy, don't live but a few years) instead of having to place just 2 POSSIBLE Felv+ kittens, and twenty some healthy ones.

Personally, I'd keep trying to bottle feed the two. Try different nippleshold them against your chest as you are feedinghumm while feedingit'll sound a bit like purring to them. Keep the two together and within earshot of the others...If they are meant to live...they will.

But, of course, its your choice, as they are all now your responsibility. Good Luck, God Bless.

T

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okay, group, need opinions here.i currently am the estrogen zone for my part of the state--turned myfront room (formerly cat-free space, for doing crafts) into a nursery.four condo cages, one floor-to-ceiling cat tree, scratching posts,lots of toys, etc. 3 big windows, a/c, their own bathroom (well, theirown close-by water supply, at least!).i currently have four nursing moms, and 24 kittens. (21 biologicalkittens and 3 orphans). all the moms are negative, so i'm assumingthe kittens are as well.i've been asked to take in 2 two-week-old orphans. i'm wondering howeveryone defines, "PROLONGED, PERSISTENT CONTACT"--ie, do you thinkthat nursing for another couple of weeks would be enough to pass thevirus? i WILL test the kittens if i get them, but they're so young i'mnot sure i'll trust the results.). or should i just
 bottle-feedthem and keep them separated? (just heard from the woman who has them,and they're not doing a bottle very well--a momcat and sibkits tocuddle with might be much better for them, but of course i don't wantto harm the other kittens)thoughts, please!thanks-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
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