Re: [Felvtalk] Another Murphy relapse-now URI
Hi Alice, You might ask your vet about azithromycin. I use it for URI/bartonella, often hard to tell the difference without testing. My vets would use azithromycin in either case anyway, so I skip the testing and do the az. You can get fish-flavored, oil-based, which lasts 90 days versus 10 days for water-based from Wedgewood pharmacy: http://www.wedgewoodpetrx.com/items/azithromycin-oral-oil-suspension.html I treat for 20 days, usually see results within 3 days. I just started a kitten I took in who had a bad URI, gummy eyes, nose, etc. He had been on Clavamox for 5 days before he came to me, and was obviously not getting better. Two days on az. plus some eye drops, and within 48 hours, he's doing MUCH better. The Wedgewood az. actually works out cheaper, and I can get it in a more concentrated form, so I don't have to give as much volume per dose...REALLY helps with my domesticated ferals :-) Terry Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: = Another Murphy relapse...poor boy is all congested and sneezy with a URI, he began with light sneezing earlier this week, I gave him a PennG shot Friday night because he had sneezed so much that he was getting bloody droplets. Now he's really getting plugged up. I called the vet to see about reducing his prednisolone dose because steroids suppress the immune system. He's been on Lasix and Pred for 3 weeks since his diagnosis of Lymphoma. We are cutting him down to 1/2 from 5mg 2x a day to once a day. I have put some L-Lysine powder into gel caps because he will not eat it in his food nor eat the very expensive Lysine treats we tried in the past. Seems the Lysine is supposed to help keep the herpes virus (viruses in general) from replicating. This flares up every time his immune system is low and he ends up with upper respiratory problems. I know he's not feeling well because I've waken up with him snuggled with me on the bed for the last 2 mornings. He normally doesn't get on the bed, he likes to sleep by the open slider screen door. I am still optimistic because his breathing is still better, hopefully the fluid is still gone from his chest area, he was in for his check up a week ago and the vet was impressed with how clear his lungs sounded. Maybe he picked up a bug from the exam room-he was wandering on the floor, my fault for letting him move around. He's such a people person, he likes all the people at the vet clinic and wants to see what they are doing. I hope the Lysine helps soon. They said if he's still congested, we can try a mild Afrin nasal decongestant. He's not that bad yet, I don't think, just somewhat depressed. Not eating as much, but still eating the AD and all the gravy from the fancy feast plus some dry food. I know some may be tired of hearing about Murphy, but I think it may help to keep hope alive, he keeps bouncing back since the end of July when he became so anemic that by the first of August I had to syringe feed him for a few days. He is on Procrit now just once a week instead of 3x a week. Please, purrayers help!! Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is tired
keyboard failing some keys off, spell check may fix... praying for Murphy!! Terry Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: = My little man is sleeping alot. The weirdest thing is that he has been sleeping with us the last few nights and is spending days on the bed-he never does this. He is the one perched on the cat tree, on a bookcase or in his favorite cardboard boxes near the computers. I have been giving him syringes of water in his mouth to keep him hydrated. I have been adding water to his wet food with the supplements. When he is up and about, he wants to be really near-when I go out into the garage-he waits by the door for me to come in. I don't know if his time is now or a while, but I am overwhelmed with heartache-I do not think he will survive this roller coaster ride. Poor Rosie is having to amuse herself as he is not playing anymore, gone are the nightly hallway races that end at the top of one of the cat trees. He is still on all the meds and I'll give him an LTCI along with the Procrit today, but he seems so tired. I hate this disease. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Transfactor plus
hi Stacy, Your message came through garbled, see below :-) Can't say if I'm the only one, but if you could resend, it would help. If you're asking about transfer factor plus, I've used it with my FeLV+ cats. Terry Szacherdroid stacy_zac...@yahoo.com wrote: = SGkgSSBhcG9sb2dpemUgaW4gYWR2YW5jZSBmb3IgdGhlIGZvcm1hdHRpbmcgaW4gdGhlIGVtYWls LiBNeSBwaG9uZSBzZWVtcyB0byBhZGQgcXVlc3Rpb24gbWFya3MgaW5zdGVhZCBvZiBwZXJpb2Rz LiAgIFNwYW5reSBpcyBub3QgZG9pbmcgd2VsbCBhdCBhbGwuICBJIGFtIG5vdCBzdXJlIHRoZSBs dGNpIGlzIGhlbHBpbmcuIEhlJ3Mgc2xlZXBpbmcgYWxsIGRheSBhbmQgbG9va3MgaG9ycmlibGUg YW5kIEkgaGFkIHRvIHBsYWNlIGhpbSBpbiB0aGUgbGl0dGVyYm94IHRvIHVyaW5hdGUuIEkgYW0g Y2FsbGluZyB0aGUgdmV0IHRvZGF5IGJ1dCBoZSdzIGdvaW5nIHdlZWtseSBmb3IgaGlzIGluamVj dGlvbnMgYW5kIGlzIG9uIGludGVyZmVyb24gYXMgd2VsbC4gIEkgYW0gbm90IHN1cmUgd2hhdCBl bHNlIHRvIGRvLiBDb3VsZCBzb21lb25lIHBsZWFzZSBzZW5kIG1lIHRoZSBsaW5rIHRvIHRyYW5z ZmFjdG9yIHBsdXMgPyAgVGhpcyBkaXNlYXNlIHNlZW1zIHNvIGhvcGVsZXNzLiAgVGhhbmtzIGZv ciBhbGwgeW91ciBoZWxwIGFuZCBwdXJyYXllcnMuICBTdGFjeSBhbmQgc3Bhbmt5 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more-Sourcesforproducts?
Hi Gary, Do you have any information on concentration of acemannan and dosing for the discontinued product? I'm investigating several sources for powdered acemannan, which is taken orally. It might offer an alternative to the injectable form, although I suspect doses are smaller and might require longer usage time to show results. Terry gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: = I am afraid I have some very bad news concerning Acemannan. I have found out the manufacturer, Carrington Labs, is out of business. I emailed VPL and they said as far as they know, there is no one else making it. So, we have another product that was effective in saving the lives of cats that is no longer available. Gary -- From: gary gcru...@centurytel.net Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 1:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more-Sourcesforproducts? It is made by Carrington Labs and was being marketed by VPL, but it is no longer on their website and a search shows their contract with Carrington Labs expired in April. I am going to call Carrington Labs in the morning and see if they have another distributor, I sure hope it is still available. It comes in a box containing four 10 mg containers. The last time my vet ordered it, it was $225, that was his cost. The protocol is 2 mg/KG IP, weekly for 6 weeks and then monthly. The monthly shots can be given sub-q. For those unfamiliar with what IP means, it means through the wall of the abdomen. The instructions say you must use it within 4 hours of mixing it, but the vet who was the technical assistance person for VPL told me any leftover would keep fine in the fridge for a week and for a month in the freezer. Gary -- From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 12:06 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more-Sources forproducts? Could you describe what the Acemannan (sp?) is and how it's used? Also what are good sources for this and also pettinic? Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Now it's Murphy-I can't take much more
Hi Alice, What I like about LTCI is it enhances the immune system as opposed to alot of medicines which overpower the disease, with possible side effects. I don't see any practical way to overdose LTCI. I give monthly LTCI shots to my healthy FeLV/FIV positives. I'd probably go to once a week for a few weeks if they were showing symptoms like Murphy. If I understand the dosing schedule, the initial period is a build up and the monthly is maintenance. But if a cat gets ill, especially an FeLV positive, their immune systems could use the extra help. If Rosie's blood work hasn't changed, I wouldn't think she would need the boost, but if she is having any symptoms, it couldn't hurt. I'd probably do it, but I believe in aggressively addressing any sign of symptoms in my Felv/FIV positives. Terry Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: = Terry-thank you for keeping Murphy in your thoughts. He has consistently tested negative for Hemotropic Mycoplasmas. His Absolute Reticulocyte count is now 35200. Both Murphy and Rosie have been on LTCI injections since last September. We began treatment before any symptoms appeared and their HCT levels were in the high 30s, low 40s. I just got the faxes on their blood tests. Murphy's HCT is 22.3, Rosie's is 46.5. I am thinking of giving them another injection tomorrow, the last one was June 27-it will be 28 days-but the other thing is, should I do both cats or just Murphy? Is there such a thing as having a too high HCT level (like Rosie's 46.5)? Just watching my Murphy sleep and hurting because we can't stop this train wreck. Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] hemobartonella and possible FeLV interested party in NY!
Hi Rachel, This website discusses diagnosis and treatment for hemobartonella: http://www.vet.uga.edu/vpp/clerk/cowgill/index.php I'll be praying! Terry rache20...@aol.com wrote: = I have 2 questions! One flor Paola and one for Beth. Paola, I would love to know who in NY is even somewhat interested in an FeLV+ cat as I have one who may or may not need a home and I just brought 2 kittens to a sanctuary yesterday, and I owuld love for them to have a real home (I live in NY). Also, Beth, I just had my rescue cat who has FeLV diagnosed today with hemobartonella and I have a really bad feeling about it. She is not eating well, is depressed, lost 1.5 lbs in a little over a month (and she was skinny before). She was 5.5lbs and is now 4 lbs. I'm really worried and sad for her and I want to do all I can to help, but I don't want to make her suffer, and I have three of my own cats to worry about plus all the other rescues. This is getting very costly! So if you know of something that might help the hemobartonella, please let me know! Thanks Rachel ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] acemannan immunostimolant
Hello Mattia, I'm checking with my source to see if I can arrange to have it shipped directly to you. This would probably be the fastest approach. If that won't work, I do have an extra bottle I could send to you. If you could forward your address, I'll get this going as soon as possible. Either way, I'll get some on the way within 24 hours of receiving your address. Just out of curiosity, what is the disease your cat is suffering from? Terry Mattia Rondinelli mrondinell...@gmail.com wrote: = Hello I am in a desperate situation: my cat needs as the only hope of a cure with acemannan.I would like to know if is possible that someone in the us can buy and send it to me in Florence,Italy. Of course I will pay everything,with an extra for this service. Thank you if you want to try to save, Mattia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rainbow Bridge: Athena
I'm so sorry, Beth. I'll keep you and Ajax in my prayers. Terry Beth Gouldin beth.goul...@gmail.com wrote: = Athena, our almost 3 year old buff manx, lost her battle with lymphosarcoma/FeLV today around 5:30pm. She went peacefully and isn't in pain anymore. She will be missed dearly. RIP sweet girl Thank you for all of your support - we're still holding out for Ajax, our almost 3 years old FeLV+ but happy/healthy siamese boy. -- Beth Gouldin beth.goul...@gmail.com 940.395.5393 God Bless!!! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] fyi: pet food buyout
While this might be very bad news, having been through a number of buy-outs and mergers in my professional career, I'd advise Wait and see. Just because Natura is bought-out doesn't necessarily mean the products will change. This may be more about finances and stocks than actual product. Or it could be about PG gaining a foothold into the higher quality petfood market, again finances. Even in companies where no buy-out occurs, a once great product can change. So, as always, it's wise to check the contents periodically to be sure quality is maintained. Terry MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: = http://www.truthaboutpetfood.com/articles/breaking-news-proctor--gamble-purchases-natura-pet-products.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Knox and treatment of felv
Hi Jenny, Good information, thank you for the investigation. If you have further contact, could you ask about the risks of using steroids? Since you already have contact, it's probably better if you could ask rather than the man being bombarded with emails from the rest of us :-) My vets try to avoid steroid use on my FeLV/FIV positive cats (unless absolutely necessary) because of further suppression of the immunosystem and the subsequent risk of being unable to fight off a secondary disease. It seems this protocol would create a constant risk of the patient being even more vulnerable to secondary diseases. I'm concerned this might work really well in a sterile environment, for a couple months, but prove impractical in the real world. Any insights Dr. Van Dyke could provide would be appreciated. Thanks, Terry jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote: = I just wanted to update you all where I'm at now. I got an email from Dr. Van Dyke, the biochemist involved in this treatment plan. To set a few things straight - he was doing research to find a cure for HIV/AIDS and using cats as an animal model. The intermixed use of FIV/HIV/Felv was in part because of the knowledge at the time concerning the believed similarities of HIV and FIV and in part simply to say that hopefully HIV would behave similarily to FIV and that his work on cats could be carried over to people. Probably not entirely accurate. With respect to the patent being abandoned, it was but he sent me the number of different patent - #6514955. Finally - and I will ask him about this - the paper describes latently infected cats (this by definition means integrated into the host DNA) - but I will clarify this with him. Apparently, what this does is use antioxidants and steroids in combination to suppress the production of virus. It does not 'cure' anyone in that the viral DNA is still within the cat cells, but they are not able to multiple and thereby infect other cells. This, by the way, is the essence of HAART therapy currently used to treat HIV (the difference is that the drugs used now directly inhibit viral activity, in Van Dyke's approach,it is an attempt to get the body to do it for you). The value of this is that if the virus cannot replicate, it cannot mutate (the mutated form of felv is the one that is thought to cause the hematologic diseases and it not contagious; i.e. the virus must mutate within the cat in order to cause these problems). The downside is that the treatment is lifelong. I will ask him for more information and keep you updated. Hope this helps. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Found some of original paper on therapy for felv
Thank you for this information, could you provide a reference, so I could review the original work? I'd also like to strongly caution that even though something looks really good in a research article, it doesn't mean it is effective or even safe, especially when it involves animal testing for use in humans. First hand experience on this one. Thanks, Terry jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote: = I did a little searching and found a more detailed paper on what was done with these few cats using antioxidant therapy and resulting change in viral status to negative. I copied and pasted it. EXAMPLES In vivo testing was performed to demonstrate the startling effectiveness of the treatment methods described herein. A series of laboratory tests were conducted on retrovirus-infected cats. In the preferred treatment regimen, the animal suffering from HIV(+), is administered relatively large doses of both water-soluble and fat-soluble antioxidants such as Vitamins C, A and E; an effective amount of at least one glutathione precursor such as N-acetyl cysteine; followed by an NFKB induction inhibitor such as one or more anti-inflammatory steroids or lazaroids. As summarized. in Table 4 below, seven cats heavily infected with HIV or FIV were treated according to the methods described and claimed herein. Each cat weighed approximately 10 to about 18 pounds. The cats were initially treated with a single dosage of an effective amount of an NFKB induction inhibitor, that is an anti-inflammatory steroid dose of DEPO-MEDROL (20-25 mg) and a series of oral dosages of a glutathione precursor, N-acetyl cysteine. The amount of N-acetyl cysteine administered with food to each cat was 1,200 mg per day. In addition, large dosages of fat-soluble and water-soluble antibxidants, Vitamins E, C, and A were administered to the cats orally every day by mixing in cat food. Vitamin E was administered at a dosage of 400 IU per day to each cat and Vitamin C was administered at a level of 500 mg per day to each cat. Vitamins A, K, and copper and zinc were also administered via 1 PET TABS per day to each cat. PET TABS is a commercially available multivitamin for pets such as cats, and is available from Smith-Kline Beecham. The treated cats: were monitored by ELISA assay for feline leukemia viruses antigen/feline immunodeficiency virus antibody test (CITE PRO COMBO: Programmed Biodetection available from IDEXX Corp. of Portland, Me.) for about two weeks. Of the seven cats tested, all seven appeared to have been cured from their earlier infection of feline leukemia, feline AIDS or both. The treatment process lasted one to two months of continual treatment with N-acetyl cysteine and high dosages of Vitamins C, E and A and periodic administration of anti-inflammatory steroids. TABLE 4 EFFECT OF ANTIRETROVIRAL THERAPY ON RETROVIRUS-INFECTED CATS Age Sex Name Assay Symptoms Assay 8 F Champagne FELV(+), hair loss, lost teeth FELV(-), FIV(+) FIV(-) 8 M Precious FELV(+), vomiting, dental FELV(-), FIV(+) problems FIV(-) 9 F Missy FELV(+), Bloody diarrhea, FELV(-), FIV(+) problems dental FIV(-) 11 M Sampson FIV(+) vomiting, gum red FIV(-) 8 M Josey FELV(+) teeth loss, no FELV(-)appetite, lungproblem 10 M Patch FIV(+) poor appetite, FIV(-)lethargy 12 M Bud FIV(+) weight loss, no FIV(-) appetite Notes 1) One cat with FELV(+)/FIV(+) died without the treatment as a control. 2) Treatments: Cats were injected intramuscularly with 20 mg DEPO-MEDROL (anti-inflammatory steroid) and dispensed with 1,200 mg powdered N-acetyl cysteine, 200 IU of Vitamin E, 500 mg of Vitamin C and one PET TAB/day. 3) It takes from 3 weeks to 6 weeks for the cats to turn retrovirus positive reaction to negative after the treatment. 4) The symptoms of Champagne, Precious, and Missy such as dental problems, bloody diarrhea, and loss of appetite completely subsided after the treatment with steroids/antioxidants. The symptoms of Sampson such as vomiting, gum disease, and loss of appetite completely reversed after the treatment. Josey's symptoms of lung problem, loss of appetite, and gum infection cleared up following the treatment. The cats were maintained on PET TABS following the treatment with steroid/antioxidants. 5) At the conclusion of the test all cats remained FIV or leukemia virus negative. 6) Blood was drawn for analysis from four of the cats treated (Sampson, Josey, Patch, and Bud). The analysis included cell cultures, mitogen stimulation, and polymerase chain reaction assay for the retrovirus. All tests indicated the cats were fully cured as none indicated any sign of the virus. These cat experiments are the first to demonstrate that AIDS can be cured in an in vivo model. Treatments were performed by a licensed veterinarian. The treatment methods were also performed by a second veterinarian. The second set of treatments were also successful. In an optional treatment regimen, to be followed when the animal
