Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 4
Well, all I could find after searching is this story about cats being dropped into some place in Borneo because all the crops were being eaten by rats. Go to: www.catdrop.com/cats.htm. I'll search some more for the original story. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2013 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 4 Hello Lee, and others, Lee, would you, by any chance,know how I could find that true study? I would love to get my hands on that! I was contacted by some residents of a small island off the coast of Southern California,Santa Catalina Island. The Island is owned by the Wriggly family, same Wriggleys who make the chewing gum. It only has about 400 or so year round residents, because it is a small island, and only a tiny portion of it is inhabited. Most of the island (85%) is a nature conservancy, and the Wriggleys are very proud of this contribution to nature and science. Well, tourism is the mainstayof the island locals living in Avalon (the town on the island) and people boat and fly over,often bringing their cats,and sometimes the cats stay, either on accident or purposefully lefty there. So, the island has a large feral population,as the island has no real vet or vet hospital, but only a weekend vet, more or less. To be fair, they weekend vet,along with help from Pasadena Humane Society, has made an effort to TNR some of the cats of Avalon. The problem lies in that on the 85 percent of the island not easily accessible to humans, some cats,though ve5ry difficult and arduous to survive on, have taken up residence on the 85%. So,those cats are not only not easily trappable, if at all possible to do, but have been reeking havoc on the islands wildlife balance. Some of the Avalon locals contact6ed me to help with TNR and said the cats need a solution: Wriggleys don't want to kill them,because of the bad publicity it would bring, but something has to be done.So while I was preparing to present something to the Wriggley family to help solve the problem without a bloodbath, I got another message that the Wriggleys hired an exterminator company and most of the cats on Avalon, were now gone. It would be great to have that study to use right about now... Love and Katnip, ~Kat~ =^,,^= I'm Kat Parker. I park cats. Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: All these killer cat articles are a backlash against TNR. It's unfortunate that some people are so mentally paralyzed that they don't realize that spaying and neutering a cat (or dog) will stop the reproductive cycle. A spayed cat is a spayed cat, one cat. An intact cat is a cat and then more and more cats with each birth of kittens. I have spoken to people who say, Well yes, but even if you spay the cat you still have a cat. Using this logic, any time you have a quantity of individuals who are considered too many, including human overpopulation you should look towards a solution that involves killing the individuals, which instantly rids the area of the unwanted human or non human but doesn't solve the long term problem of overpopulation. Hitler tried this form of birth control, killing those individuals that he thought were not valuable and should not reproduce. Obviously, it didn't work too well. Any time killing is involved in population control, there will be people who will not go along with the program because of issues like compassion and aversion to death. Now here's a true study. There was a town in Arizona or Colorado (not sure which State) that did have a large number of free-roaming cats. They did trap them and kill them and were down to very few cats. Most of the remaining cats were kept inside. It was actually against the law to allow cats outside. Mother Nature hates to be tampered with. In a year, the town was overrun by rats and mice and crop eating small mammals. People were so upset that the City Council voted to import several hundred cats from shelters in surrounding towns so that they could rebuild their outside cat population. It seems that in spite of the 150 million estimate of cats and the billions of dead mice and rats and birds, we see no dearth of mice, rats and birds, including song birds. And yes, cats are an introduced species although the cat family of larger cats such as mountain lions, bob cats and others were here already when explorers arrived to settle this continent. There was a good reason why the cats came along. If they hadn't, the rats and mice that infested the ships would have eaten the food supplies before the ships could complete the journey. All that would have been left would have been skeletons of starved to death settlers. Spay
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 4
*Hello Lee, and others, Lee, would you, by any chance,know how I could find that true study? I would love to get my hands on that! I was contacted by some residents of a small island off the coast of Southern California,Santa Catalina Island. The Island is owned by the Wriggly family, same Wriggleys who make the chewing gum. It only has about 400 or so year round residents, because it is a small island, and only a tiny portion of it is inhabited. Most of the island (85%) is a nature conservancy, and the Wriggleys are very proud of this contribution to nature and science. Well, tourism is the mainstay of the island locals living in Avalon (the town on the island) and people boat and fly over,often bringing their cats,and sometimes the cats stay, either on accident or purposefully lefty there. So, the island has a large feral population,as the island has no real vet or vet hospital, but only a weekend vet, more or less. To be fair, they weekend vet,along with help from Pasadena Humane Society, has made an effort to TNR some of the cats of Avalon. The problem lies in that on the 85 percent of the island not easily accessible to humans, some cats,though ve5ry difficult and arduous to survive on, have taken up residence on the 85%. So,those cats are not only not easily trappable, if at all possible to do, but have been reeking havoc on the islands wildlife balance. Some of the Avalon locals contact6ed me to help with TNR and said the cats need a solution: Wriggleys don't want to kill them,because of the bad publicity it would bring, but something has to be done.So while I was preparing to present something to the Wriggley family to help solve the problem without a bloodbath, I got another message that the Wriggleys hired an exterminator company and most of the cats on Avalon, were now gone. It would be great to have that study to use right about now... * * Love and Katnip, ~Kat~ =^,,^= **I'm Kat Parker. I park cats.** * Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: All these killer cat articles are a backlash against TNR. It's unfortunate that some people are so mentally paralyzed that they don't realize that spaying and neutering a cat (or dog) will stop the reproductive cycle. A spayed cat is a spayed cat, one cat. An intact cat is a cat and then more and more cats with each birth of kittens. I have spoken to people who say, Well yes, but even if you spay the cat you still have a cat. Using this logic, any time you have a quantity of individuals who are considered too many, including human overpopulation you should look towards a solution that involves killing the individuals, which instantly rids the area of the unwanted human or non human but doesn't solve the long term problem of overpopulation. Hitler tried this form of birth control, killing those individuals that he thought were not valuable and should not reproduce. Obviously, it didn't work too well. Any time killing is involved in population control, there will be people who will not go along with the program because of issues like compassion and aversion to death. Now here's a true study. There was a town in Arizona or Colorado (not sure which State) that did have a large number of free-roaming cats. They did trap them and kill them and were down to very few cats. Most of the remaining cats were kept inside. It was actually against the law to allow cats outside. Mother Nature hates to be tampered with. In a year, the town was overrun by rats and mice and crop eating small mammals. People were so upset that the City Council voted to import several hundred cats from shelters in surrounding towns so that they could rebuild their outside cat population. It seems that in spite of the 150 million estimate of cats and the billions of dead mice and rats and birds, we see no dearth of mice, rats and birds, including song birds. And yes, cats are an introduced species although the cat family of larger cats such as mountain lions, bob cats and others were here already when explorers arrived to settle this continent. There was a good reason why the cats came along. If they hadn't, the rats and mice that infested the ships would have eaten the food supplies before the ships could complete the journey. All that would have been left would have been skeletons of starved to death settlers. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] War on Cats and Others Take heart: http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2013/02/03/170851048/do-we-really-know-that-cats-kill-by-the-billions-not-so-fast ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 4
I don't know about Nystagmus, Heather. It concerns my former little felv foster kitten, Daisy, whose adoptive mom says the following: I took Daisy to Roscoe Village Animal Hospital on Saturday. She was due for a check-up ... one of her pupils was not dilating. They took the pressure in her eyes and both were on the high side, with the one not dilating being quite high. I filled a prescription for eye drops 2 x day. They recommend I take her to an ophthalmologists in about a week to see if the drops are working and to see if there's a better diagnosis for her pupil issue. Other than the pressure, there aren't any other indicators (scratch, redness, etc) that explain her eye issue. She is not behaving any differently. The original rescuer is also involved, as she helps pay vet costs. It was she who asked me for any advice I might have or could glean, as she saw from the notes that one of the vets had mentioned the possibility of spastic pupil syndrome. She also would very much like to know if there's anything that would boost Daisy's (low normal) white blood cell count; and whether taking her off the pred she's on would help her wbc or the eye issue. Re the pred, she has no ibd symptoms (when I first fostered her she had bad digestive problems and it took some months to get her over them, but we managed it). I am wondering about IR--I got as far as ordering it once in 2004 for one of my FeLV kitts who had nonregenerative anemia but she passed away the day it arrived and I never got the chance to try it. I'm wondering if anyone has any recent info on IR's efficacy for low white cell bc. Any and all info much appreciated. Kerry From: felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 12:00:05 PM Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 4 Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. spastic pupil syndrome (Kerry MacKenzie) 2. Re: spastic pupil syndrome (Heather) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:06:31 -0800 (PST) From: Kerry MacKenzie kerrymacken...@ymail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] spastic pupil syndrome To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: 819072.7309...@web59905.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear all, I wanted to ask if anyone has any experience of spastic pupil syndrome in leukemia kitts and if you've heard of any treatment for it. Any info would be much appreciated. Thanks, Kerry M. -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:02:06 -0500 From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] spastic pupil syndrome To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: b5c0cac41001050802i5c95a72axae81843c88e2b...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Is this like Nystagmus, where their eyes move back and forth quickly? On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Kerry MacKenzie kerrymacken...@ymail.comwrote: Dear all, I wanted to ask if anyone has any experience of spastic pupil syndrome in leukemia kitts and if you've heard of any treatment for it. Any info would be much appreciated. Thanks, Kerry M. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org End of Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 4 *** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 4
Hi Kerry, This doesn't sound like Nystagmus. Sorry to say I don't have any good suggestions as to what it might be (other than related to blood pressure, or a tumor? haven't seen this in a young kitty so might be less likely) but I did want to let you know that so you don't spend time researching Nystagmus. It's commonly seen in Siamese cats I think and can be associated with medical conditions, but the eyes move back and forth rapidly, from the description below doens't sound like that's what it is, guess I confused it by the name the vet indicated. If uneven pupil size describes the issue, seems like I have seen that come up on this list before. The kitty I had wtih that was FIV+, had toxoplasmosis, CRF and the vet thought the dilated pupil was caused by a tumor but it never worsened in her 9 remaining months (she was a 15 year old feral kitty, pretty impressive!) and I suspsected it was related to the toxoplasmosis as it seemed to me it was more normal after treatment. Before taking her in when I described it to another vet, she immediately suggested high blood pressure. I'm sure this might be something that can be caused by multiple things. Hope you are able to get to the bottom of this, good luck! On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Kerry MacKenzie kerrymacken...@ymail.comwrote: I don't know about Nystagmus, Heather. It concerns my former little felv foster kitten, Daisy, whose adoptive mom says the following: I took Daisy to Roscoe Village Animal Hospital on Saturday. She was due for a check-up ... one of her pupils was not dilating. They took the pressure in her eyes and both were on the high side, with the one not dilating being quite high. I filled a prescription for eye drops 2 x day. They recommend I take her to an ophthalmologists in about a week to see if the drops are working and to see if there's a better diagnosis for her pupil issue. Other than the pressure, there aren't any other indicators (scratch, redness, etc) that explain her eye issue. She is not behaving any differently. The original rescuer is also involved, as she helps pay vet costs. It was she who asked me for any advice I might have or could glean, as she saw from the notes that one of the vets had mentioned the possibility of spastic pupil syndrome. She also would very much like to know if there's anything that would boost Daisy's (low normal) white blood cell count; and whether taking her off the pred she's on would help her wbc or the eye issue. Re the pred, she has no ibd symptoms (when I first fostered her she had bad digestive problems and it took some months to get her over them, but we managed it). I am wondering about IR--I got as far as ordering it once in 2004 for one of my FeLV kitts who had nonregenerative anemia but she passed away the day it arrived and I never got the chance to try it. I'm wondering if anyone has any recent info on IR's efficacy for low white cell bc. Any and all info much appreciated. Kerry From: felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 12:00:05 PM Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 19, Issue 4 Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. spastic pupil syndrome (Kerry MacKenzie) 2. Re: spastic pupil syndrome (Heather) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:06:31 -0800 (PST) From: Kerry MacKenzie kerrymacken...@ymail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] spastic pupil syndrome To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: 819072.7309...@web59905.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear all, I wanted to ask if anyone has any experience of spastic pupil syndrome in leukemia kitts and if you've heard of any treatment for it. Any info would be much appreciated. Thanks, Kerry M. -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 11:02:06 -0500 From: Heather furrygi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] spastic pupil syndrome To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: b5c0cac41001050802i5c95a72axae81843c88e2b...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Is this like Nystagmus, where their eyes move back and forth quickly? On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Kerry MacKenzie kerrymacken...@ymail.com wrote: Dear all, I wanted to ask if anyone has any experience of spastic pupil syndrome in leukemia
