Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(
Hi Jennifer, Well, I think she will need some help. I am surprised that a Vet allowed a dehydrated cat to leave without doing something about it, so I'd call and ask why. It's good that she is drinking, but it is impossible to correct clinical dehydration orally, she must have either IV or sub-q fluids. That alone MAY be enough (combined with the B-12) to start her eating again, it can be miraculous.If you don't want to try the Clavamox, then take her (what is her name?) in and request sub-q fluids (and have them show you how to do it at home) and askabout Convenia, a long-lasting injectable antibiotic. I don't generally recommend it, but it's better than nothing, and less stressful for both of you. Explain that medicating orally seems too stressful. You could ask about appetite stimulants, but they need to be given by mouth as well, so maybe you don't want to try. Much depends on how far you want to go. Sub-q's and assist feedings aren't difficult to do, but you may not have the time to give to this.I would say, even if you decide not to continue long-term care,get to the Vet (or another of you don't want to go back there) TODAY for sub-q or IV fluids, and see if that helps.. If you have to work, most Vets will allow drop-off. Please help herby gettingthe dehydration resolved. She feels totally lousy, and of course doesn't want to eat, or move. At least she will feel better, and that's critical, whatever course you elect to follow. All the best, Margo -Original Message- From: Jennifer Ballew <balle...@gmail.com>Sent: Oct 9, 2013 9:40 PM To: felvtalk <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-( They took her temp yesterday and no fever. She's not showing any outward signs of infection, so that's good I guess. I'm just wondering if she's going to be able to pull out of this. :-( Jennifer On Oct 9, 2013 8:27 PM, "moonsister22" moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Regular cats can also have those symptoms. The B12 shot is good. Does she have a fever? Many doctors completely neglect the simple task of taking the cat's temperature. An antibiotic injection might be of benefit. My hard and fast rule is to think "simple" first. My FIV positive cat had a lump on his back. It was diagnosed as probably a malignant tumor. I suggested it was a non-malignant fatty tumor. Three years later Mr. Snowy is still fat and going strong and the tumor has absorbed. Maybe it's luck and they will use up the last of their nine lives eventually but until then start off simple but cautious and do always take to vet but listen with both ears open and your brain cells on high alert.Hugs and blessings to you and the fur kids.Sent from my iPodOn Oct 9, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all- This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated. They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home. I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was alive so that she would have the best chances. I'm just wondering if any of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left. I'm sincerely heartbroken. I really thought I had nursed her through the most risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on to live a halfway long life. In any case, if anyone has any advice or information I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks all, Jennifer -- "To love is to risk not being loved in return. To hope is to risk pain. To try is to risk failure, But risk must be taken, Because the greatest hazard in life Is to risk nothing." --Leo Buscaglia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(
Using a feeding syringe (3cc syringe) is better than stuffing pate in her mouth. You have to blend the pate with some soup (not with onion though) until it's like very thick cream and give her about a half syringe at a time. Towel on lap, tissue box nearby at hand, cat on lap, soft loving talk to cat, syringe at corner of mouth is how I syringe feed my cats during illness. Be sure to wipe her mouth frequently and do the feeding slowly. It may take almost a half hour but if you do it with loving murmurs, she will feel that she is spending quality time with you instead of having food stuffed into her mouth. Feeding tubes are invasive and uncomfortable for cats and should be a last resort. I usually use Hills A/D as it's a very soft pate made for syringe feeding ill cats. You buy it at the vet clinic. Get about 5 cans as you will be throwing away left overs that have already been blended. Try to get a half a can at a time into her. Once you syringe feed for a short time, their regular appetite takes over. Also, I would recommend you ask your vet about a antibiotic injection instead of pills or liquid. On Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:01 AM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Jennifer, Well, I think she will need some help. I am surprised that a Vet allowed a dehydrated cat to leave without doing something about it, so I'd call and ask why. It's good that she is drinking, but it is impossible to correct clinical dehydration orally, she must have either IV or sub-q fluids. That alone MAY be enough (combined with the B-12) to start her eating again, it can be miraculous. If you don't want to try the Clavamox, then take her (what is her name?) in and request sub-q fluids (and have them show you how to do it at home) and ask about Convenia, a long-lasting injectable antibiotic. I don't generally recommend it, but it's better than nothing, and less stressful for both of you. Explain that medicating orally seems too stressful. You could ask about appetite stimulants, but they need to be given by mouth as well, so maybe you don't want to try. Much depends on how far you want to go. Sub-q's and assist feedings aren't difficult to do, but you may not have the time to give to this. I would say, even if you decide not to continue long-term care, get to the Vet (or another of you don't want to go back there) TODAY for sub-q or IV fluids, and see if that helps.. If you have to work, most Vets will allow drop-off. Please help her by getting the dehydration resolved. She feels totally lousy, and of course doesn't want to eat, or move. At least she will feel better, and that's critical, whatever course you elect to follow. All the best, Margo -Original Message- From: Jennifer Ballew Sent: Oct 9, 2013 9:40 PM To: felvtalk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-( They took her temp yesterday and no fever. She's not showing any outward signs of infection, so that's good I guess. I'm just wondering if she's going to be able to pull out of this. :-( Jennifer On Oct 9, 2013 8:27 PM, moonsister22 moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Regular cats can also have those symptoms. The B12 shot is good. Does she have a fever? Many doctors completely neglect the simple task of taking the cat's temperature. An antibiotic injection might be of benefit. My hard and fast rule is to think simple first. My FIV positive cat had a lump on his back. It was diagnosed as probably a malignant tumor. I suggested it was a non-malignant fatty tumor. Three years later Mr. Snowy is still fat and going strong and the tumor has absorbed. Maybe it's luck and they will use up the last of their nine lives eventually but until then start off simple but cautious and do always take to vet but listen with both ears open and your brain cells on high alert. Hugs and blessings to you and the fur kids. Sent from my iPod On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all- This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated. They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home. I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I would
Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(
I agree with Lee. A few spoonfuls of pate are not enough if she has stopped eating. She should probably be getting about 1 can per day. Hills AD is very soft, I don't even mix it up with water. Ask the vet to give you some syringes that arent too narrow of an opening. I use the 10mL (aka 10cc) ones, fill several up at a time, then just start with the feeding, squirting 1 cc on the side of the tongue at a time. There can be some messy trial and error at first. How is she doing today? On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Using a feeding syringe (3cc syringe) is better than stuffing pate in her mouth. You have to blend the pate with some soup (not with onion though) until it's like very thick cream and give her about a half syringe at a time. Towel on lap, tissue box nearby at hand, cat on lap, soft loving talk to cat, syringe at corner of mouth is how I syringe feed my cats during illness. Be sure to wipe her mouth frequently and do the feeding slowly. It may take almost a half hour but if you do it with loving murmurs, she will feel that she is spending quality time with you instead of having food stuffed into her mouth. Feeding tubes are invasive and uncomfortable for cats and should be a last resort. I usually use Hills A/D as it's a very soft pate made for syringe feeding ill cats. You buy it at the vet clinic. Get about 5 cans as you will be throwing away left overs that have already been blended. Try to get a half a can at a time into her. Once you syringe feed for a short time, their regular appetite takes over. Also, I would recommend you ask your vet about a antibiotic injection instead of pills or liquid. On Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:01 AM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Jennifer, Well, I think she will need some help. I am surprised that a Vet allowed a dehydrated cat to leave without doing something about it, so I'd call and ask why. It's good that she is drinking, but it is impossible to correct clinical dehydration orally, she must have either IV or sub-q fluids. That alone MAY be enough (combined with the B-12) to start her eating again, it can be miraculous. If you don't want to try the Clavamox, then take her (what is her name?) in and request sub-q fluids (and have them show you how to do it at home) and ask about Convenia, a long-lasting injectable antibiotic. I don't generally recommend it, but it's better than nothing, and less stressful for both of you. Explain that medicating orally seems too stressful. You could ask about appetite stimulants, but they need to be given by mouth as well, so maybe you don't want to try. Much depends on how far you want to go. Sub-q's and assist feedings aren't difficult to do, but you may not have the time to give to this. I would say, even if you decide not to continue long-term care, get to the Vet (or another of you don't want to go back there) TODAY for sub-q or IV fluids, and see if that helps.. If you have to work, most Vets will allow drop-off. Please help her by getting the dehydration resolved. She feels totally lousy, and of course doesn't want to eat, or move. At least she will feel better, and that's critical, whatever course you elect to follow. All the best, Margo -Original Message- From: Jennifer Ballew Sent: Oct 9, 2013 9:40 PM To: felvtalk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-( They took her temp yesterday and no fever. She's not showing any outward signs of infection, so that's good I guess. I'm just wondering if she's going to be able to pull out of this. :-( Jennifer On Oct 9, 2013 8:27 PM, moonsister22 moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Regular cats can also have those symptoms. The B12 shot is good. Does she have a fever? Many doctors completely neglect the simple task of taking the cat's temperature. An antibiotic injection might be of benefit. My hard and fast rule is to think simple first. My FIV positive cat had a lump on his back. It was diagnosed as probably a malignant tumor. I suggested it was a non-malignant fatty tumor. Three years later Mr. Snowy is still fat and going strong and the tumor has absorbed. Maybe it's luck and they will use up the last of their nine lives eventually but until then start off simple but cautious and do always take to vet but listen with both ears open and your brain cells on high alert. Hugs and blessings to you and the fur kids. Sent from my iPod On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all- This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within the last few days she has
Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(
Hi, I'm keeping you her in my prayers. You are getting some very good advice here but the main thing is to get her hydrated right now. Sent from my iPhone. On Oct 10, 2013, at 8:46, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Lee. A few spoonfuls of pate are not enough if she has stopped eating. She should probably be getting about 1 can per day. Hills AD is very soft, I don't even mix it up with water. Ask the vet to give you some syringes that arent too narrow of an opening. I use the 10mL (aka 10cc) ones, fill several up at a time, then just start with the feeding, squirting 1 cc on the side of the tongue at a time. There can be some messy trial and error at first. How is she doing today? On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Using a feeding syringe (3cc syringe) is better than stuffing pate in her mouth. You have to blend the pate with some soup (not with onion though) until it's like very thick cream and give her about a half syringe at a time. Towel on lap, tissue box nearby at hand, cat on lap, soft loving talk to cat, syringe at corner of mouth is how I syringe feed my cats during illness. Be sure to wipe her mouth frequently and do the feeding slowly. It may take almost a half hour but if you do it with loving murmurs, she will feel that she is spending quality time with you instead of having food stuffed into her mouth. Feeding tubes are invasive and uncomfortable for cats and should be a last resort. I usually use Hills A/D as it's a very soft pate made for syringe feeding ill cats. You buy it at the vet clinic. Get about 5 cans as you will be throwing away left overs that have already been blended. Try to get a half a can at a time into her. Once you syringe feed for a short time, their regular appetite takes over. Also, I would recommend you ask your vet about a antibiotic injection instead of pills or liquid. On Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:01 AM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Jennifer, Well, I think she will need some help. I am surprised that a Vet allowed a dehydrated cat to leave without doing something about it, so I'd call and ask why. It's good that she is drinking, but it is impossible to correct clinical dehydration orally, she must have either IV or sub-q fluids. That alone MAY be enough (combined with the B-12) to start her eating again, it can be miraculous. If you don't want to try the Clavamox, then take her (what is her name?) in and request sub-q fluids (and have them show you how to do it at home) and ask about Convenia, a long-lasting injectable antibiotic. I don't generally recommend it, but it's better than nothing, and less stressful for both of you. Explain that medicating orally seems too stressful. You could ask about appetite stimulants, but they need to be given by mouth as well, so maybe you don't want to try. Much depends on how far you want to go. Sub-q's and assist feedings aren't difficult to do, but you may not have the time to give to this. I would say, even if you decide not to continue long-term care, get to the Vet (or another of you don't want to go back there) TODAY for sub-q or IV fluids, and see if that helps.. If you have to work, most Vets will allow drop-off. Please help her by getting the dehydration resolved. She feels totally lousy, and of course doesn't want to eat, or move. At least she will feel better, and that's critical, whatever course you elect to follow. All the best, Margo -Original Message- From: Jennifer Ballew Sent: Oct 9, 2013 9:40 PM To: felvtalk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-( They took her temp yesterday and no fever. She's not showing any outward signs of infection, so that's good I guess. I'm just wondering if she's going to be able to pull out of this. :-( Jennifer On Oct 9, 2013 8:27 PM, moonsister22 moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Regular cats can also have those symptoms. The B12 shot is good. Does she have a fever? Many doctors completely neglect the simple task of taking the cat's temperature. An antibiotic injection might be of benefit. My hard and fast rule is to think simple first. My FIV positive cat had a lump on his back. It was diagnosed as probably a malignant tumor. I suggested it was a non-malignant fatty tumor. Three years later Mr. Snowy is still fat and going strong and the tumor has absorbed. Maybe it's luck and they will use up the last of their nine lives eventually but until then start off simple but cautious and do always take to vet but listen with both ears open and your brain cells on high alert. Hugs and blessings to you and the fur kids. Sent from my iPod On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all- This is the first time
Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(
Jennifer, My Pookie was diagnosed when he was 2 years old, and the virus showed up after I had him neutered. I took him to a vet who told me his blood count was 4.5, that it was in his bone marrow, and he would not live out the week. Unable to stand, I brought him home and nourished him the best I could. The vet gave me a huge bottle of amoxicillan and basically said good luck. I fed him broth through a syringe. Pushed vitamins (Petinic), water, DMG, etc. He recovered. My miracle boy. He is still with me at age 6 1/2. Praise God! Don't give up. I have had great results with a holistic vet and accupuncture this summer. He had a fare up. I don't know how it works but it does. I also give him Wei Qi (way chee) a herb that helps his immune system. Better than DMG which is for humans. I found he wasn't eating becasue he had a sore in his mouth. Sometimes the vets won't check for a sore in the mouth. They won't eat or drink if it hurts. ClinDrops (clindamycin) worked for that. I will be praying for you. Carolyn On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew wrote: Hey all- This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated. They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home. I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was alive so that she would have the best chances. I'm just wondering if any of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left. I'm sincerely heartbroken. I really thought I had nursed her through the most risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on to live a halfway long life. In any case, if anyone has any advice or information I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks all, Jennifer -- To love is to risk not being loved in return. To hope is to risk pain. To try is to risk failure, But risk must be taken, Because the greatest hazard in life Is to risk nothing. --Leo Buscaglia -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(
And always use a syringe with a lot of liquid to the food. They will
fight you, but anything you can get down is a plus. I used baby food
mixed with non-flavored Pedialyte. Put her in her own room, on a bed
away from the others. Go in every two hours to feed her some fluids.
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 6:06 PM, katskat1 wrote:
Good info Margo. You definitely have to hydrate and keep hydrating
quickly
Jennifer and force feed if necessary. Keep Amoxcillan (sp) on hand at
the
very least but I suggest talk to your vet and buy/keep several
different
types on hand with his/her help on determining which to start and
when.
Good luck.
On Wednesday, October 9, 2013, Margo wrote:
Hi Jennifer,
My first thought is to get her immediately on sub-q
fluids, and join the yahoo CRF list
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Feline-CRF-Support/info .
If you think about what a hangover feels like (or
have
someone who has over-imbibed explain the feeling) then you understand
how
dehydration makes her feel. Can you be a bit more specific about her
blood
counts? Is she anemic? Are her white cells low? What else is out of
whack?
Not everything that happens to an FeLV cat is FeLV
related, but we do have to react faster, as they can't fight of even
minor
illness like a non-FeLV cat can. My + cats are on Interferon and DMG,
probably for the duration. Anything else that pops up we treat very
aggressively, and I have antibiotics on hand, which I often start
even
before we get to the Vet, with her blessing.
Jennifer, it's unlikely she'll come out of it by
herself. Just resolving the dehydration may be key to getting her
going
again, it can make a HUGE difference. I'd ask the Vet if it's
possible that
she has an infection that might be causing some of this with her
kidneys,
and if an antibiotic could be tried.
I watch my positives carefully. When Gribble was
first
diagnosed, I was sure I would lose him. He had a fever of 107, which
we
brought down with ice and ketoprofen, and then his temp went down to
97. I
did not expect him to live thru the night, so sat with him and moved
him
between bags of frozen veggies and a heating pad. He was about 2 at
that
time, early March of last year. He was assist fed, on two antibiotics
(there wasn't time for a CS) and started on Interferon ASAP. You
might
consider Immunoregulin, we bought it, but it's still on hold in case
he
relapses and doesn't respond to anything else. Mako also occasionally
has
some issues, and we treat with antibiotics and/or antivirals. The
truth is
that I don;t know if they get better because of that, or in spite of
my
efforts.
My advice would be to try to resolve the
dehydration,
get some food into her, and request an antibiotic from the Vet (I use
Zenequin, but others might be more appropriate). Keep her warm and
quiet,
and love her.
All the best,
Margo
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(
Hey all-
This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV
positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has
never
had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only
recently
started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just
within
the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and
only
drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems
very
unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked
her
blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were
elevated.
They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably
related to
possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her
home.
I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any
unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and
that I
would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while
she was
alive so that she would have the best chances. I'm just wondering if
any
of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to
pull out
of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left.
I'm
sincerely heartbroken. I really thought I had nursed her through the
most
risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on
to live
a halfway long life. In any case, if anyone has any advice or
information
I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks all,
Jennifer
--
To love is to risk not being loved in return.
To hope is to risk pain.
To try is to risk failure,
But risk must be taken,
Because the greatest hazard in life
Is to risk nothing.
--Leo Buscaglia
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At the Shelter where I volunteer, they find that rehydrating a cat by giving sub-q usually perks up their appetite. Chris C. From: Margo Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-( Hi Jennifer, Well, I think she will need some help. I am surprised that a Vet allowed a dehydrated cat to leave without doing something about it, so I'd call and ask why. It's good that she is drinking, but it is impossible to correct clinical dehydration orally, she must have either IV or sub-q fluids. That alone MAY be enough (combined with the B-12) to start her eating again, it can be miraculous. If you don't want to try the Clavamox, then take her (what is her name?) in and request sub-q fluids (and have them show you how to do it at home) and ask about Convenia, a long-lasting injectable antibiotic. I don't generally recommend it, but it's better than nothing, and less stressful for both of you. Explain that medicating orally seems too stressful. You could ask about appetite stimulants, but they need to be given by mouth as well, so maybe you don't want to try. Much depends on how far you want to go. Sub-q's and assist feedings aren't difficult to do, but you may not have the time to give to this. I would say, even if you decide not to continue long-term care, get to the Vet (or another of you don't want to go back there) TODAY for sub-q or IV fluids, and see if that helps.. If you have to work, most Vets will allow drop-off. Please help her by getting the dehydration resolved. She feels totally lousy, and of course doesn't want to eat, or move. At least she will feel better, and that's critical, whatever course you elect to follow. All the best, Margo -Original Message- From: Jennifer Ballew Sent: Oct 9, 2013 9:40 PM To: felvtalk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-( They took her temp yesterday and no fever. She's not showing any outward signs of infection, so that's good I guess. I'm just wondering if she's going to be able to pull out of this. :-( Jennifer On Oct 9, 2013 8:27 PM, moonsister22 moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Regular cats can also have those symptoms. The B12 shot is good. Does she have a fever? Many doctors completely neglect the simple task of taking the cat's temperature. An antibiotic injection might be of benefit. My hard and fast rule is to think simple first. My FIV positive cat had a lump on his back. It was diagnosed as probably a malignant tumor. I suggested it was a non-malignant fatty tumor. Three years later Mr. Snowy is still fat and going strong and the tumor has absorbed. Maybe it's luck and they will use up the last of their nine lives eventually but until then start off simple but cautious and do always take to vet but listen with both ears open and your brain cells on high alert. Hugs and blessings to you and the fur kids. Sent from my iPod On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all- This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated. They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home. I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was alive so that she would have the best chances. I'm just wondering if any of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left. I'm sincerely heartbroken. I really thought I had nursed her through the most risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on to live a halfway long life. In any case, if anyone has any advice or information I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks all, Jennifer -- To love is to risk not being loved in return. To hope is to risk pain. To try is to risk failure, But risk must be taken, Because the greatest hazard in life Is to risk nothing. --Leo Buscaglia
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Sub Q will work almost immediately if anything is going to work at all. Don't freak tho. It will show as a big scary malleable lump under the skin as the liquid drains from the IV bag. It is just the water under the skin and will dissipate within a short period of time but the rehydration starts surprisingly quickly and can make an almost immediate world of difference. Please don't hesitate. It is the best and quickest way to give your kitty a chance. Kat On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:57 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: At the Shelter where I volunteer, they find that rehydrating a cat by giving sub-q usually perks up their appetite. Chris C. *From:* Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:00 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-( Hi Jennifer, Well, I think she will need some help. I am surprised that a Vet allowed a dehydrated cat to leave without doing something about it, so I'd call and ask why. It's good that she is drinking, but it is impossible to correct clinical dehydration orally, she must have either IV or sub-q fluids. That alone MAY be enough (combined with the B-12) to start her eating again, it can be miraculous. If you don't want to try the Clavamox, then take her (what is her name?) in and request sub-q fluids (and have them show you how to do it at home) and ask about Convenia, a long-lasting injectable antibiotic. I don't generally recommend it, but it's better than nothing, and less stressful for both of you. Explain that medicating orally seems too stressful. You could ask about appetite stimulants, but they need to be given by mouth as well, so maybe you don't want to try. Much depends on how far you want to go. Sub-q's and assist feedings aren't difficult to do, but you may not have the time to give to this. I would say, even if you decide not to continue long-term care, get to the Vet (or another of you don't want to go back there) TODAY for sub-q or IV fluids, and see if that helps.. If you have to work, most Vets will allow drop-off. Please help her by getting the dehydration resolved. She feels totally lousy, and of course doesn't want to eat, or move. At least she will feel better, and that's critical, whatever course you elect to follow. All the best, Margo -Original Message- From: Jennifer Ballew ** Sent: Oct 9, 2013 9:40 PM To: felvtalk ** Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-( They took her temp yesterday and no fever. She's not showing any outward signs of infection, so that's good I guess. I'm just wondering if she's going to be able to pull out of this. :-( Jennifer On Oct 9, 2013 8:27 PM, moonsister22 moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Regular cats can also have those symptoms. The B12 shot is good. Does she have a fever? Many doctors completely neglect the simple task of taking the cat's temperature. An antibiotic injection might be of benefit. My hard and fast rule is to think simple first. My FIV positive cat had a lump on his back. It was diagnosed as probably a malignant tumor. I suggested it was a non-malignant fatty tumor. Three years later Mr. Snowy is still fat and going strong and the tumor has absorbed. Maybe it's luck and they will use up the last of their nine lives eventually but until then start off simple but cautious and do always take to vet but listen with both ears open and your brain cells on high alert. Hugs and blessings to you and the fur kids. Sent from my iPod On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all- This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated. They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home. I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was alive so that she would have the best chances. I'm just wondering if any of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left. I'm sincerely heartbroken. I really thought I had
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Put Sasha down today. I think it was time. :-( On Oct 10, 2013 2:02 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Sub Q will work almost immediately if anything is going to work at all. Don't freak tho. It will show as a big scary malleable lump under the skin as the liquid drains from the IV bag. It is just the water under the skin and will dissipate within a short period of time but the rehydration starts surprisingly quickly and can make an almost immediate world of difference. Please don't hesitate. It is the best and quickest way to give your kitty a chance. Kat On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:57 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: At the Shelter where I volunteer, they find that rehydrating a cat by giving sub-q usually perks up their appetite. Chris C. *From:* Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:00 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-( Hi Jennifer, Well, I think she will need some help. I am surprised that a Vet allowed a dehydrated cat to leave without doing something about it, so I'd call and ask why. It's good that she is drinking, but it is impossible to correct clinical dehydration orally, she must have either IV or sub-q fluids. That alone MAY be enough (combined with the B-12) to start her eating again, it can be miraculous. If you don't want to try the Clavamox, then take her (what is her name?) in and request sub-q fluids (and have them show you how to do it at home) and ask about Convenia, a long-lasting injectable antibiotic. I don't generally recommend it, but it's better than nothing, and less stressful for both of you. Explain that medicating orally seems too stressful. You could ask about appetite stimulants, but they need to be given by mouth as well, so maybe you don't want to try. Much depends on how far you want to go. Sub-q's and assist feedings aren't difficult to do, but you may not have the time to give to this. I would say, even if you decide not to continue long-term care, get to the Vet (or another of you don't want to go back there) TODAY for sub-q or IV fluids, and see if that helps.. If you have to work, most Vets will allow drop-off. Please help her by getting the dehydration resolved. She feels totally lousy, and of course doesn't want to eat, or move. At least she will feel better, and that's critical, whatever course you elect to follow. All the best, Margo -Original Message- From: Jennifer Ballew ** Sent: Oct 9, 2013 9:40 PM To: felvtalk ** Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-( They took her temp yesterday and no fever. She's not showing any outward signs of infection, so that's good I guess. I'm just wondering if she's going to be able to pull out of this. :-( Jennifer On Oct 9, 2013 8:27 PM, moonsister22 moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Regular cats can also have those symptoms. The B12 shot is good. Does she have a fever? Many doctors completely neglect the simple task of taking the cat's temperature. An antibiotic injection might be of benefit. My hard and fast rule is to think simple first. My FIV positive cat had a lump on his back. It was diagnosed as probably a malignant tumor. I suggested it was a non-malignant fatty tumor. Three years later Mr. Snowy is still fat and going strong and the tumor has absorbed. Maybe it's luck and they will use up the last of their nine lives eventually but until then start off simple but cautious and do always take to vet but listen with both ears open and your brain cells on high alert. Hugs and blessings to you and the fur kids. Sent from my iPod On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all- This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated. They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home. I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was alive so that she would have the best chances. I'm just wondering if any of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out
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I am so sorry to hear about Sasha, Jennifer. May you find comfort and peace knowing she had a good life thanks to you. I'm keeping you and your other kitty in my thoughts. On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote: Put Sasha down today. I think it was time. :-( On Oct 10, 2013 2:02 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Sub Q will work almost immediately if anything is going to work at all. Don't freak tho. It will show as a big scary malleable lump under the skin as the liquid drains from the IV bag. It is just the water under the skin and will dissipate within a short period of time but the rehydration starts surprisingly quickly and can make an almost immediate world of difference. Please don't hesitate. It is the best and quickest way to give your kitty a chance. Kat On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:57 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: At the Shelter where I volunteer, they find that rehydrating a cat by giving sub-q usually perks up their appetite. Chris C. *From:* Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:00 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-( Hi Jennifer, Well, I think she will need some help. I am surprised that a Vet allowed a dehydrated cat to leave without doing something about it, so I'd call and ask why. It's good that she is drinking, but it is impossible to correct clinical dehydration orally, she must have either IV or sub-q fluids. That alone MAY be enough (combined with the B-12) to start her eating again, it can be miraculous. If you don't want to try the Clavamox, then take her (what is her name?) in and request sub-q fluids (and have them show you how to do it at home) and ask about Convenia, a long-lasting injectable antibiotic. I don't generally recommend it, but it's better than nothing, and less stressful for both of you. Explain that medicating orally seems too stressful. You could ask about appetite stimulants, but they need to be given by mouth as well, so maybe you don't want to try. Much depends on how far you want to go. Sub-q's and assist feedings aren't difficult to do, but you may not have the time to give to this. I would say, even if you decide not to continue long-term care, get to the Vet (or another of you don't want to go back there) TODAY for sub-q or IV fluids, and see if that helps.. If you have to work, most Vets will allow drop-off. Please help her by getting the dehydration resolved. She feels totally lousy, and of course doesn't want to eat, or move. At least she will feel better, and that's critical, whatever course you elect to follow. All the best, Margo -Original Message- From: Jennifer Ballew ** Sent: Oct 9, 2013 9:40 PM To: felvtalk ** Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-( They took her temp yesterday and no fever. She's not showing any outward signs of infection, so that's good I guess. I'm just wondering if she's going to be able to pull out of this. :-( Jennifer On Oct 9, 2013 8:27 PM, moonsister22 moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Regular cats can also have those symptoms. The B12 shot is good. Does she have a fever? Many doctors completely neglect the simple task of taking the cat's temperature. An antibiotic injection might be of benefit. My hard and fast rule is to think simple first. My FIV positive cat had a lump on his back. It was diagnosed as probably a malignant tumor. I suggested it was a non-malignant fatty tumor. Three years later Mr. Snowy is still fat and going strong and the tumor has absorbed. Maybe it's luck and they will use up the last of their nine lives eventually but until then start off simple but cautious and do always take to vet but listen with both ears open and your brain cells on high alert. Hugs and blessings to you and the fur kids. Sent from my iPod On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all- This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated. They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home. I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful
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wow. -Original Message- From: Jennifer Ballew <balle...@gmail.com>Sent: Oct 10, 2013 4:17 PM To: felvtalk <FELVTALK@FELINELEUKEMIA.ORG>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-( Put Sasha down today. I think it was time. :-( On Oct 10, 2013 2:02 PM, "katskat1" katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Sub Q will work almost immediately if anything is going to work at all. Don't freak tho. It will show as a big scary malleable lump under the skin as the liquid drains from the IV bag. It is just the water under the skin and will dissipate within a short period of time but the rehydration starts surprisingly quickly and can make an almost immediate world of difference. Please don't hesitate. It is the best and quickest way to give your kitty a chance. Kat On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 2:57 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: At the Shelter where I volunteer, they find that rehydrating a cat by giving sub-q usually perks up their appetite. Chris C. From: Margo Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 7:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-( Hi Jennifer, Well, I think she will need some help. I am surprised that a Vet allowed a dehydrated cat to leave without doing something about it, so I'd call and ask why. It's good that she is drinking, but it is impossible to correct clinical dehydration orally, she must have either IV or sub-q fluids. That alone MAY be enough (combined with the B-12) to start her eating again, it can be miraculous. If you don't want to try the Clavamox, then take her (what is her name?) in and request sub-q fluids (and have them show you how to do it at home) and ask about Convenia, a long-lasting injectable antibiotic. I don't generally recommend it, but it's better than nothing, and less stressful for both of you. Explain that medicating orally seems too stressful. You could ask about appetite stimulants, but they need to be given by mouth as well, so maybe you don't want to try. Much depends on how far you want to go. Sub-q's and assist feedings aren't difficult to do, but you may not have the time to give to this. I would say, even if you decide not to continue long-term care, get to the Vet (or another of you don't want to go back there) TODAY for sub-q or IV fluids, and see if that helps.. If you have to work, most Vets will allow drop-off. Please help her by getting the dehydration resolved. She feels totally lousy, and of course doesn't want to eat, or move. At least she will feel better, and that's critical, whatever course you elect to follow. All the best, Margo -Original Message- From: Jennifer Ballew Sent: Oct 9, 2013 9:40 PM To: felvtalk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-( They took her temp yesterday and no fever. She's not showing any outward signs of infection, so that's good I guess. I'm just wondering if she's going to be able to pull out of this. :-( Jennifer On Oct 9, 2013 8:27 PM, "moonsister22" moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Regular cats can also have those symptoms. The B12 shot is good. Does she have a fever? Many doctors completely neglect the simple task of taking the cat's temperature. An antibiotic injection might be of benefit. My hard and fast rule is to think "simple" first. My FIV positive cat had a lump on his back. It was diagnosed as probably a malignant tumor. I suggested it was a non-malignant fatty tumor. Three years later Mr. Snowy is still fat and going strong and the tumor has absorbed. Maybe it's luck and they will use up the last of their nine lives eventually but until then start off simple but cautious and do always take to vet but listen with both ears open and your brain cells on high alert.Hugs and blessings to you and the fur kids.Sent from my iPodOn Oct 9, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all- This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated. They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home. I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was alive so that she would have the best chances. I'm just wondering if any of you have gone through the same
[Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(
Hey all- This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated. They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home. I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was alive so that she would have the best chances. I'm just wondering if any of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left. I'm sincerely heartbroken. I really thought I had nursed her through the most risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on to live a halfway long life. In any case, if anyone has any advice or information I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks all, Jennifer -- To love is to risk not being loved in return. To hope is to risk pain. To try is to risk failure, But risk must be taken, Because the greatest hazard in life Is to risk nothing. --Leo Buscaglia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Jennifer, Sorry to hear about your kitty. Has she had the virus since she was a kitten? Are you assist feeding her? I nursed my 10 year old out of a slump this summer (when I first found out he was pos) with sub-q fluids, assist feeding, low dose of prednisone and t-cyte injections. Just do what you're comfortable with, knowing you're doing all that you can for her. Some resources that I've found to be helpful: http://910pets.com/forum/topics/feline-leukemia and http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/. Hang in there. Katherine On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all- This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated. They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home. I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was alive so that she would have the best chances. I'm just wondering if any of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left. I'm sincerely heartbroken. I really thought I had nursed her through the most risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on to live a halfway long life. In any case, if anyone has any advice or information I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks all, Jennifer -- To love is to risk not being loved in return. To hope is to risk pain. To try is to risk failure, But risk must be taken, Because the greatest hazard in life Is to risk nothing. --Leo Buscaglia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Her Hgb was 8.3 if I remember correctly, not too bad, but not great. I believe they said her WBCs were low, but I didn't get the exact number. So I just tried finger feeding her some pate food and when I put it on her tongue she seized up (seizure?) and practically become unresponsive for about a minute or so. I about freaked out. Now I'm a mess... She's back to how she was before I tried to feed her, but now I'm scared to death to do anything. They did give me some Clovamax antibiotics yesterday to try on her, but I'm afraid she'll seize up if I try forcing anything down her. I guess the feeding tube might be the only way now, but I know those can be costly and I don't have the money for it. :-( Jen On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Jennifer, My first thought is to get her immediately on sub-q fluids, and join the yahoo CRF list http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Feline-CRF-Support/info . If you think about what a hangover feels like (or have someone who has over-imbibed explain the feeling) then you understand how dehydration makes her feel. Can you be a bit more specific about her blood counts? Is she anemic? Are her white cells low? What else is out of whack? Not everything that happens to an FeLV cat is FeLV related, but we do have to react faster, as they can't fight of even minor illness like a non-FeLV cat can. My + cats are on Interferon and DMG, probably for the duration. Anything else that pops up we treat very aggressively, and I have antibiotics on hand, which I often start even before we get to the Vet, with her blessing. Jennifer, it's unlikely she'll come out of it by herself. Just resolving the dehydration may be key to getting her going again, it can make a HUGE difference. I'd ask the Vet if it's possible that she has an infection that might be causing some of this with her kidneys, and if an antibiotic could be tried. I watch my positives carefully. When Gribble was first diagnosed, I was sure I would lose him. He had a fever of 107, which we brought down with ice and ketoprofen, and then his temp went down to 97. I did not expect him to live thru the night, so sat with him and moved him between bags of frozen veggies and a heating pad. He was about 2 at that time, early March of last year. He was assist fed, on two antibiotics (there wasn't time for a CS) and started on Interferon ASAP. You might consider Immunoregulin, we bought it, but it's still on hold in case he relapses and doesn't respond to anything else. Mako also occasionally has some issues, and we treat with antibiotics and/or antivirals. The truth is that I don;t know if they get better because of that, or in spite of my efforts. My advice would be to try to resolve the dehydration, get some food into her, and request an antibiotic from the Vet (I use Zenequin, but others might be more appropriate). Keep her warm and quiet, and love her. All the best, Margo -Original Message- From: Jennifer Ballew ** Sent: Oct 9, 2013 4:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-( Hey all- This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated. They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home. I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was alive so that she would have the best chances. I'm just wondering if any of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left. I'm sincerely heartbroken. I really thought I had nursed her through the most risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on to live a halfway long life. In any case, if anyone has any advice or information I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks all, Jennifer -- To love is to risk not being loved in return. To hope is to risk pain. To try is to risk failure, But risk must be taken, Because the greatest hazard in life Is to risk nothing. --Leo Buscaglia
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Jennifer I'm literally going through the SAME thing. My 2.5 yo male was recently diagnosed as being FeLV+ and I was devastated. He was also diagnosed with a light heart murmur. He's on Prednisone .5 twice a day, 0.5 ml (50mg/ml) Doxycycline 2x day, Lysine (not so much bc he hates it), and 0.5 ml VitaDrops 2x day. He has an enlarged spleen and gets a fever fairly often. My other 3 tested negative. Go figure. Please keep emailing this group as I'm sure any questions you have will be something I'm wondering too and if you ever need anything just ask! I'm sure your baby is in good hands, you sound like you know what you're talking about! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 9, 2013, at 4:05 PM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jennifer, Sorry to hear about your kitty. Has she had the virus since she was a kitten? Are you assist feeding her? I nursed my 10 year old out of a slump this summer (when I first found out he was pos) with sub-q fluids, assist feeding, low dose of prednisone and t-cyte injections. Just do what you're comfortable with, knowing you're doing all that you can for her. Some resources that I've found to be helpful: http://910pets.com/forum/topics/feline-leukemia and http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/. Hang in there. Katherine On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all- This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated. They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home. I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was alive so that she would have the best chances. I'm just wondering if any of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left. I'm sincerely heartbroken. I really thought I had nursed her through the most risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on to live a halfway long life. In any case, if anyone has any advice or information I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks all, Jennifer -- To love is to risk not being loved in return. To hope is to risk pain. To try is to risk failure, But risk must be taken, Because the greatest hazard in life Is to risk nothing. --Leo Buscaglia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Jen is there a college near you? What state are you in? I work at an animal rescue and if I were you I would call them and explain your situation. They may be able to get you at least a discount at the vet because they often have great relationships with them. Also there's a website with a list of groups to help with vet bills. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 9, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote: Her Hgb was 8.3 if I remember correctly, not too bad, but not great. I believe they said her WBCs were low, but I didn't get the exact number. So I just tried finger feeding her some pate food and when I put it on her tongue she seized up (seizure?) and practically become unresponsive for about a minute or so. I about freaked out. Now I'm a mess... She's back to how she was before I tried to feed her, but now I'm scared to death to do anything. They did give me some Clovamax antibiotics yesterday to try on her, but I'm afraid she'll seize up if I try forcing anything down her. I guess the feeding tube might be the only way now, but I know those can be costly and I don't have the money for it. :-( Jen On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Jennifer, My first thought is to get her immediately on sub-q fluids, and join the yahoo CRF list http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Feline-CRF-Support/info . If you think about what a hangover feels like (or have someone who has over-imbibed explain the feeling) then you understand how dehydration makes her feel. Can you be a bit more specific about her blood counts? Is she anemic? Are her white cells low? What else is out of whack? Not everything that happens to an FeLV cat is FeLV related, but we do have to react faster, as they can't fight of even minor illness like a non-FeLV cat can. My + cats are on Interferon and DMG, probably for the duration. Anything else that pops up we treat very aggressively, and I have antibiotics on hand, which I often start even before we get to the Vet, with her blessing. Jennifer, it's unlikely she'll come out of it by herself. Just resolving the dehydration may be key to getting her going again, it can make a HUGE difference. I'd ask the Vet if it's possible that she has an infection that might be causing some of this with her kidneys, and if an antibiotic could be tried. I watch my positives carefully. When Gribble was first diagnosed, I was sure I would lose him. He had a fever of 107, which we brought down with ice and ketoprofen, and then his temp went down to 97. I did not expect him to live thru the night, so sat with him and moved him between bags of frozen veggies and a heating pad. He was about 2 at that time, early March of last year. He was assist fed, on two antibiotics (there wasn't time for a CS) and started on Interferon ASAP. You might consider Immunoregulin, we bought it, but it's still on hold in case he relapses and doesn't respond to anything else. Mako also occasionally has some issues, and we treat with antibiotics and/or antivirals. The truth is that I don;t know if they get better because of that, or in spite of my efforts. My advice would be to try to resolve the dehydration, get some food into her, and request an antibiotic from the Vet (I use Zenequin, but others might be more appropriate). Keep her warm and quiet, and love her. All the best, Margo -Original Message- From: Jennifer Ballew Sent: Oct 9, 2013 4:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-( Hey all- This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated. They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home. I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was alive so that she would have the best chances. I'm just wondering if any of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have
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You have already gotten some good advise. Assist feeding is critical if she is going to have the strength to fight through this slump. Otherwise she'll starve to death. Here is the link to the Yahoo assist feeding group. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ Dehydrated cats feel lousy. It is easy to give sub q fluids at home. Here is the link to the site I used to learn how to give sub q fluids Sophia Gets Her Subcutaneous (Sub Q) Fluids http://www.tinyurl.com/63max I just saw your post where she froze when you tried to finger feed her. Maybe you were giving her too much food. I use syringes and only give 1/2 cc of food at a time. And sometime there is nothing else you can do Sharyl On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 5:06 PM, Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jennifer, Sorry to hear about your kitty. Has she had the virus since she was a kitten? Are you assist feeding her? I nursed my 10 year old out of a slump this summer (when I first found out he was pos) with sub-q fluids, assist feeding, low dose of prednisone and t-cyte injections. Just do what you're comfortable with, knowing you're doing all that you can for her. Some resources that I've found to be helpful: http://910pets.com/forum/topics/feline-leukemia and http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/. Hang in there. Katherine On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all- This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated. They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home. I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was alive so that she would have the best chances. I'm just wondering if any of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left. I'm sincerely heartbroken. I really thought I had nursed her through the most risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on to live a halfway long life. In any case, if anyone has any advice or information I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks all, Jennifer -- To love is to risk not being loved in return. To hope is to risk pain. To try is to risk failure, But risk must be taken, Because the greatest hazard in life Is to risk nothing. --Leo Buscaglia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Good info Margo. You definitely have to hydrate and keep hydrating quickly
Jennifer and force feed if necessary. Keep Amoxcillan (sp) on hand at the
very least but I suggest talk to your vet and buy/keep several different
types on hand with his/her help on determining which to start and when.
Good luck.
On Wednesday, October 9, 2013, Margo wrote:
Hi Jennifer,
My first thought is to get her immediately on sub-q
fluids, and join the yahoo CRF list
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Feline-CRF-Support/info .
If you think about what a hangover feels like (or have
someone who has over-imbibed explain the feeling) then you understand how
dehydration makes her feel. Can you be a bit more specific about her blood
counts? Is she anemic? Are her white cells low? What else is out of whack?
Not everything that happens to an FeLV cat is FeLV
related, but we do have to react faster, as they can't fight of even minor
illness like a non-FeLV cat can. My + cats are on Interferon and DMG,
probably for the duration. Anything else that pops up we treat very
aggressively, and I have antibiotics on hand, which I often start even
before we get to the Vet, with her blessing.
Jennifer, it's unlikely she'll come out of it by
herself. Just resolving the dehydration may be key to getting her going
again, it can make a HUGE difference. I'd ask the Vet if it's possible that
she has an infection that might be causing some of this with her kidneys,
and if an antibiotic could be tried.
I watch my positives carefully. When Gribble was first
diagnosed, I was sure I would lose him. He had a fever of 107, which we
brought down with ice and ketoprofen, and then his temp went down to 97. I
did not expect him to live thru the night, so sat with him and moved him
between bags of frozen veggies and a heating pad. He was about 2 at that
time, early March of last year. He was assist fed, on two antibiotics
(there wasn't time for a CS) and started on Interferon ASAP. You might
consider Immunoregulin, we bought it, but it's still on hold in case he
relapses and doesn't respond to anything else. Mako also occasionally has
some issues, and we treat with antibiotics and/or antivirals. The truth is
that I don;t know if they get better because of that, or in spite of my
efforts.
My advice would be to try to resolve the dehydration,
get some food into her, and request an antibiotic from the Vet (I use
Zenequin, but others might be more appropriate). Keep her warm and quiet,
and love her.
All the best,
Margo
-Original Message-
From: Jennifer Ballew **
Sent: Oct 9, 2013 4:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org');
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(
Hey all-
This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV
positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never
had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently
started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within
the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only
drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very
unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her
blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated.
They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to
possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home.
I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any
unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I
would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was
alive so that she would have the best chances. I'm just wondering if any
of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out
of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left. I'm
sincerely heartbroken. I really thought I had nursed her through the most
risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on to live
a halfway long life. In any case, if anyone has any advice or information
I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks all,
Jennifer
--
To love is to risk not being loved in return.
To hope is to risk pain.
To try is to risk failure,
But risk must be taken,
Because the greatest hazard in life
Is to risk nothing.
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Rehydrate. Soon.
On Wednesday, October 9, 2013, Jennifer Ballew wrote:
Well she is still drinking water for now, albeit not very much. So I
guess that's something.
Jennifer
On Oct 9, 2013 6:07 PM, katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com javascript:_e({},
'cvml', 'katsk...@gmail.com'); wrote:
Good info Margo. You definitely have to hydrate and keep hydrating
quickly Jennifer and force feed if necessary. Keep Amoxcillan (sp) on hand
at the very least but I suggest talk to your vet and buy/keep several
different types on hand with his/her help on determining which to start and
when. Good luck.
On Wednesday, October 9, 2013, Margo wrote:
Hi Jennifer,
My first thought is to get her immediately on sub-q
fluids, and join the yahoo CRF list
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Feline-CRF-Support/info .
If you think about what a hangover feels like (or have
someone who has over-imbibed explain the feeling) then you understand how
dehydration makes her feel. Can you be a bit more specific about her blood
counts? Is she anemic? Are her white cells low? What else is out of whack?
Not everything that happens to an FeLV cat is FeLV
related, but we do have to react faster, as they can't fight of even minor
illness like a non-FeLV cat can. My + cats are on Interferon and DMG,
probably for the duration. Anything else that pops up we treat very
aggressively, and I have antibiotics on hand, which I often start even
before we get to the Vet, with her blessing.
Jennifer, it's unlikely she'll come out of it by
herself. Just resolving the dehydration may be key to getting her going
again, it can make a HUGE difference. I'd ask the Vet if it's possible that
she has an infection that might be causing some of this with her kidneys,
and if an antibiotic could be tried.
I watch my positives carefully. When Gribble was
first diagnosed, I was sure I would lose him. He had a fever of 107, which
we brought down with ice and ketoprofen, and then his temp went down to 97.
I did not expect him to live thru the night, so sat with him and moved him
between bags of frozen veggies and a heating pad. He was about 2 at that
time, early March of last year. He was assist fed, on two antibiotics
(there wasn't time for a CS) and started on Interferon ASAP. You might
consider Immunoregulin, we bought it, but it's still on hold in case he
relapses and doesn't respond to anything else. Mako also occasionally has
some issues, and we treat with antibiotics and/or antivirals. The truth is
that I don;t know if they get better because of that, or in spite of my
efforts.
My advice would be to try to resolve the
dehydration, get some food into her, and request an antibiotic from the Vet
(I use Zenequin, but others might be more appropriate). Keep her warm and
quiet, and love her.
All the best,
Margo
-Original Message-
From: Jennifer Ballew **
Sent: Oct 9, 2013 4:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fwd: virus has finally caught up with her :-(
Hey all-
This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV
positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never
had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently
started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within
the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only
drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very
unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her
blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated.
They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to
possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home.
I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any
unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I
would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was
alive so that she would have the best chances. I'm just wondering if any
of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out
of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left. I'm
sincerely heartbroken. I really thought I had nursed her through the most
risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on to live
a halfway long life. In any case, if anyone has any advice or information
I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks all,
Jennifer
--
To love is to risk not being loved in return.
To hope is to risk pain.
To try is to risk failure,
But risk must be taken,
Because the greatest hazard in life
Is to risk nothing.
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Regular cats can also have those symptoms. The B12 shot is good. Does she have a fever? Many doctors completely neglect the simple task of taking the cat's temperature. An antibiotic injection might be of benefit. My hard and fast rule is to think simple first. My FIV positive cat had a lump on his back. It was diagnosed as probably a malignant tumor. I suggested it was a non-malignant fatty tumor. Three years later Mr. Snowy is still fat and going strong and the tumor has absorbed. Maybe it's luck and they will use up the last of their nine lives eventually but until then start off simple but cautious and do always take to vet but listen with both ears open and your brain cells on high alert. Hugs and blessings to you and the fur kids. Sent from my iPod On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all- This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated. They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home. I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was alive so that she would have the best chances. I'm just wondering if any of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left. I'm sincerely heartbroken. I really thought I had nursed her through the most risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on to live a halfway long life. In any case, if anyone has any advice or information I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks all, Jennifer -- To love is to risk not being loved in return. To hope is to risk pain. To try is to risk failure, But risk must be taken, Because the greatest hazard in life Is to risk nothing. --Leo Buscaglia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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They took her temp yesterday and no fever. She's not showing any outward signs of infection, so that's good I guess. I'm just wondering if she's going to be able to pull out of this. :-( Jennifer On Oct 9, 2013 8:27 PM, moonsister22 moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Regular cats can also have those symptoms. The B12 shot is good. Does she have a fever? Many doctors completely neglect the simple task of taking the cat's temperature. An antibiotic injection might be of benefit. My hard and fast rule is to think simple first. My FIV positive cat had a lump on his back. It was diagnosed as probably a malignant tumor. I suggested it was a non-malignant fatty tumor. Three years later Mr. Snowy is still fat and going strong and the tumor has absorbed. Maybe it's luck and they will use up the last of their nine lives eventually but until then start off simple but cautious and do always take to vet but listen with both ears open and your brain cells on high alert. Hugs and blessings to you and the fur kids. Sent from my iPod On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Jennifer Ballew balle...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all- This is the first time I have posted to the forum. I have two FeLV positive cats, one two and one three years old. The older cat has never had any issues with illness whatsoever, but the younger has only recently started showing signs that her illness has caught up with her. Just within the last few days she has become very lethargic, stopped eating (and only drinks a small amount) and whenever she stands or walks she seems very unsteady and wobbly. I took her to the vet yesterday; they checked her blood counts which were low and said her kidney enzymes were elevated. They also said they could hear a heart murmur which is probably related to possibly being dehydrated. They gave her a B12 shot and I took her home. I already said if worst came to worst I wouldn't put her through any unnecessary treatments or subject her to any painful procedures and that I would strive only to provide the best supportive care for her while she was alive so that she would have the best chances. I'm just wondering if any of you have gone through the same thing and if I can expect her to pull out of this on her own, or, if she doesn't, how long she might have left. I'm sincerely heartbroken. I really thought I had nursed her through the most risky part of her illness (kittenhood) and that she would now go on to live a halfway long life. In any case, if anyone has any advice or information I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks all, Jennifer -- To love is to risk not being loved in return. To hope is to risk pain. To try is to risk failure, But risk must be taken, Because the greatest hazard in life Is to risk nothing. --Leo Buscaglia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
