Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help

2009-11-19 Thread Crystal Proper


Hi Cougar Clan-
My little ones are very spoiled and I believe lead a very stress free 
lifestyle.  The only thing that I think stresses Nibbler out is getting his 
vitamins and Prt Tinic via liquid syringe orally.  He doesn't like the taste at 
all and he needs this done a few times a day.  I will look up Rescue Remedy and 
Feliway.
Thank you very much for the kind words.  They have brought me some comfort when 
my heart feels so broken.  I have been very stressed since we found out that 
they were FeLV + and much more the past couple weeks since Nibbler's been 
having very bad days.  Even though its very difficult and it breaks my heart, 
taking care of them is well worth it when Nibbler curls up on me and purrs.  
Sounds like Dixie had an amazing and happy life too.  I live in a small town in 
NW PA so there aren't many options vet wise.  However, I emailed two vets, one 
holistic and another I am hoping to be a specialist last night, that are both 
about 2 hours away.  I am waiting for phone calls to see what they have to 
offer.  Kittens and I might be making a road trip soon.  Crystal
 
 
 

Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:35:13 -0800
Cougar Clan
First, lessen the stress on him and on yourself and give him and the others the 
best food possible. Rescue Remedy and Feliway may help you and the kittens. 
Second, enjoy every minute you have with these babies. Don't look at calenders 
and wonder what if when or have self-doubts (almost impossible but try). 
Every one starts dying the minute they take their first breath. Make life as 
easy and fun and comfortable as you can for all you care about. Nibbler and his 
sibblings have a hard row ahead of them but think what their lives would be 
like if you and your husband hadn't cared? Dixie Louise lived 3 years when the 
vets were betting a much shorter time. She had everything I thought she might 
possibly want (with the exception of mice to chase and, had I known she was 
going to leave so suddenly, I might have gotten her the mice). She was full 
grown when she came into my life as a throw- away. She was the most wonderful 
little girl and I would not trade
 one second with her for anything. That time is well worth the pain. If you 
have a holistic vet in your area, seek her help. Dixie had her regular vets who 
are marvelous and she had a great holistic vet, Betty Boswell. I credit the 
combination of styles for her happy life. 
Blessings to you, your husband and the kittens.


On Nov 18, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Crystal Proper wrote:


Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4 
weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building. We tamed them as 
well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive. Two of 
them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, isn’t. He’s been on 
antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose…we had to 
stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea. He is very 
symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has run 
out if suggestions for me. He’s also half the size of his brothers. However, I 
was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I don’t want to 
give up on him. Here’s my list… He has severe diarrhea. Today it seems to be 
much more watery and blood. I have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and 
Purina Forta Flora. He was getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat 
food now. He’s also been wormed. He
 has a constant runny eyes and nose. He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin Complex, and 
Ginger Root. 
Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic.
He still runs and tries to get into rooms he’s not supposed to and gets on my 
chest and purrs in my face. He’s my baby. 
Please and help and prayers would be appreciated.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help

2009-11-19 Thread Crystal Proper
Hi Diane-
I am not sure how much my vet knows about FeLV.  I am very thankful and 
grateful to have her help.  She is very busy and always listens to my constant 
questions.  However, she keeps telling me that its the FeLV running its course 
and there's nothing I can do.  However, I've been reading everyone's messages 
on here and it seems sometimes there is something you can do so I am trying to 
get as much information as possible.  I emailed two other vets yesterday that 
are 2 hours away to see if they are specialists on it.  I live in NW PA and I'm 
finding it difficult to find any vet that has dealt with it a lot.  I am laid 
off right now but if I have to scrape my pennies together and eat spaghetti for 
a month, I will.  She did tell me that sometimes kittens can convert to 
negative but since Nibbler had such problems already it didn't look good for 
him.  I am still trying everything to get him out of the slump and get some 
weight on him and maybe he can
 be as big and healthy as his 2 FelV + brothers.
Crystal
 
-
 
 
Diane Rosenfeldt
Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:41:47 -0800
Hi, Crystal --

You'll get some great advice on this list. You guys are great for taking on
this problem. I'm sorry Nibbler isn't doing so well. I guess my first (and
only -- there are many more experienced people on this list to ask the
others) question is how confident are you that your vet is up to speed on
FeLV? That's kind of crucial here so that Nibbler gets the most
knowledgeable care. Did your vet tell you that sometimes kittens convert to
negative once their immune systems develop, and do you know if this is still
an option for yours? 

Best of luck and good vibes for Nibbler and the rest.

Diane R. 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Crystal Proper
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help

Hi, my name is Crystal.  My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4
weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building.  We tamed them
as well.  About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive. 
Two of them are fine and doing great.  The runt, Nibbler, isnt.  Hes been
on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose…we had
to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea.  He is very
symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has
run out if suggestions for me.  Hes also half the size of his brothers. 
However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I
dont want to give up on him.  Heres my list… He has severe diarrhea. 
Today it seems to be much more watery and blood.  I have been given him
yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora.  He was getting boiled chicken,
but will only eat canned cat food now.  Hes also been wormed.
He has a constant runny eyes and nose.  He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin Complex,
and Ginger Root.
Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic.
He still runs and tries to get into rooms hes not supposed to and gets on
my chest and purrs in my face.  Hes my baby.
Please and help and prayers would be appreciated.


  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help

2009-11-19 Thread Crystal Proper
Hi Belinda-
All 3 kittens, Nibbler, Brillo and Desmond all got antibiotics when we got them 
at 4 weeks old.  Brillo and Desmond kicked the upper resp after a couple weeks 
but Nibbler hasn't.  He was on them for another 6 or 7 weeks after that but we 
had to take him off about 2 weeks ago because it was too much for his little 
system to handle.  He is very small and his digestive system has been bad for 
awhile.  The vet said that the antibiotics may have killed all the good 
bacteria in his system.  That's why we have him on all the vitamins right now, 
but the poor thing is suffering from the constant runny eyes and nose.
Crystal


Belinda Sauro
Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:32:59 -0800
When my Frankie got an upper respiratory, he had it for a long time. How long 
has Nibbler been on the antibiotic? 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help

2009-11-19 Thread Belinda Sauro
   Gloria, didn't you have some luck with your kitties and vitamin c 
when they had upper respiratory's.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help

2009-11-19 Thread Amy
Hi Crystal,

Are you far from Cornell University in NY?  I recently took my cat to see an 
internal med there and have been incredibly pleased with her knowledge and 
compassion.  She is the only one who has not given up on my leuk positive cat.  
I'd be happy to send you her name if it's a trip that you could make.

Amy  

--- On Thu, 11/19/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 3:43 AM
 Hi Diane-
 I am not sure how much my vet knows about FeLV.  I am very
 thankful and grateful to have her help.  She is very busy
 and always listens to my constant questions.  However, she
 keeps telling me that its the FeLV running its course and
 there's nothing I can do.  However, I've been reading
 everyone's messages on here and it seems sometimes there is
 something you can do so I am trying to get as much
 information as possible.  I emailed two other vets
 yesterday that are 2 hours away to see if they are
 specialists on it.  I live in NW PA and I'm finding it
 difficult to find any vet that has dealt with it a lot.  I
 am laid off right now but if I have to scrape my pennies
 together and eat spaghetti for a month, I will.  She did
 tell me that sometimes kittens can convert to negative but
 since Nibbler had such problems already it didn't look good
 for him.  I am still trying everything to get him out of
 the slump and get some weight on him and maybe he can
  be as big and healthy as his 2 FelV + brothers.
 Crystal
  
 -
  
  
 Diane Rosenfeldt
 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:41:47 -0800
 Hi, Crystal --
 
 You'll get some great advice on this list. You guys are
 great for taking on
 this problem. I'm sorry Nibbler isn't doing so well. I
 guess my first (and
 only -- there are many more experienced people on this list
 to ask the
 others) question is how confident are you that your vet is
 up to speed on
 FeLV? That's kind of crucial here so that Nibbler gets the
 most
 knowledgeable care. Did your vet tell you that sometimes
 kittens convert to
 negative once their immune systems develop, and do you know
 if this is still
 an option for yours? 
 
 Best of luck and good vibes for Nibbler and the rest.
 
 Diane R. 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Crystal Proper
 Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:22 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
 
 Hi, my name is Crystal.  My husband and I rescued three
 kittens that were 4
 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old
 building.  We tamed them
 as well.  About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were
 all FELV positive. 
 Two of them are fine and doing great.  The runt, Nibbler,
 isnt.  Hes been
 on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny
 eyes and nose…we had
 to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody
 diarrhea.  He is very
 symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its
 course and has
 run out if suggestions for me.  Hes also half the size of
 his brothers. 
 However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for
 me because I
 dont want to give up on him.  Heres my list… He has
 severe diarrhea. 
 Today it seems to be much more watery and blood.  I have
 been given him
 yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora.  He was
 getting boiled chicken,
 but will only eat canned cat food now.  Hes also been
 wormed.
 He has a constant runny eyes and nose.  He gets L-Lysine,
 B Vitamin Complex,
 and Ginger Root.
 Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet
 Tinic.
 He still runs and tries to get into rooms hes not supposed
 to and gets on
 my chest and purrs in my face.  Hes my baby.
 Please and help and prayers would be appreciated.
 
 
       
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help

2009-11-19 Thread Crystal Proper
Amy-
That's only an 1 1/2 from me!  I would love her name and contact info please!
Crystal
 
 
 
 
Amy
Thu, 19 Nov 2009 05:13:44 -0800
Hi Crystal,

Are you far from Cornell University in NY?  I recently took my cat to see an 
internal med there and have been incredibly pleased with her knowledge and 
compassion.  She is the only one who has not given up on my leuk positive cat.  
I'd be happy to send you her name if it's a trip that you could make.

Amy  

--- On Thu, 11/19/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 3:43 AM
 Hi Diane-
 I am not sure how much my vet knows about FeLV.  I am very
 thankful and grateful to have her help.  She is very busy
 and always listens to my constant questions.  However, she
 keeps telling me that its the FeLV running its course and
 there's nothing I can do.  However, I've been reading
 everyone's messages on here and it seems sometimes there is
 something you can do so I am trying to get as much
 information as possible.  I emailed two other vets
 yesterday that are 2 hours away to see if they are
 specialists on it.  I live in NW PA and I'm finding it
 difficult to find any vet that has dealt with it a lot.  I
 am laid off right now but if I have to scrape my pennies
 together and eat spaghetti for a month, I will.  She did
 tell me that sometimes kittens can convert to negative but
 since Nibbler had such problems already it didn't look good
 for him.  I am still trying everything to get him out of
 the slump and get some weight on him and maybe he can
  be as big and healthy as his 2 FelV + brothers.
 Crystal
  
 -
  
  
 Diane Rosenfeldt
 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:41:47 -0800
 Hi, Crystal --
 
 You'll get some great advice on this list. You guys are
 great for taking on
 this problem. I'm sorry Nibbler isn't doing so well. I
 guess my first (and
 only -- there are many more experienced people on this list
 to ask the
 others) question is how confident are you that your vet is
 up to speed on
 FeLV? That's kind of crucial here so that Nibbler gets the
 most
 knowledgeable care. Did your vet tell you that sometimes
 kittens convert to
 negative once their immune systems develop, and do you know
 if this is still
 an option for yours? 
 
 Best of luck and good vibes for Nibbler and the rest.
 
 Diane R. 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Crystal Proper
 Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:22 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
 
 Hi, my name is Crystal.  My husband and I rescued three
 kittens that were 4
 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old
 building.  We tamed them
 as well.  About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were
 all FELV positive. 
 Two of them are fine and doing great.  The runt, Nibbler,
 isnt.  Hes been
 on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny
 eyes and nose…we had
 to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody
 diarrhea.  He is very
 symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its
 course and has
 run out if suggestions for me.  Hes also half the size of
 his brothers. 
 However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for
 me because I
 dont want to give up on him.  Heres my list… He has
 severe diarrhea. 
 Today it seems to be much more watery and blood.  I have
 been given him
 yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora.  He was
 getting boiled chicken,
 but will only eat canned cat food now.  Hes also been
 wormed.
 He has a constant runny eyes and nose.  He gets L-Lysine,
 B Vitamin Complex,
 and Ginger Root.
 Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet
 Tinic.
 He still runs and tries to get into rooms hes not supposed
 to and gets on
 my chest and purrs in my face.  Hes my baby.
 Please and help and prayers would be appreciated.


  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help

2009-11-19 Thread Crystal Proper
Amy-
I just found out its actually 4 1/2 hours away from me instead of 1 1/2.  I 
don't think I can make that drive right now.
Thanks, Crystal




Amy-
That's only an 1 1/2 from me!  I would love her name and contact info please!
Crystal
 
 
 
 
Amy
Thu, 19 Nov 2009 05:13:44 -0800
Hi Crystal,

Are you far from Cornell University in NY?  I recently took my cat to see an 
internal med there and have been incredibly pleased with her knowledge and 
compassion.  She is the only one who has not given up on my leuk positive cat.  
I'd be happy to send you her name if it's a trip that you could make.

Amy  

--- On Thu, 11/19/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 3:43 AM
 Hi Diane-
 I am not sure how much my vet knows about FeLV.  I am very
 thankful and grateful to have her help.  She is very busy
 and always listens to my constant questions.  However, she
 keeps telling me that its the FeLV running its course and
 there's nothing I can do.  However, I've been reading
 everyone's messages on here and it seems sometimes there is
 something you can do so I am trying to get as much
 information as possible.  I emailed two other vets
 yesterday that are 2 hours away to see if they are
 specialists on it.  I live in NW PA and I'm finding it
 difficult to find any vet that has dealt with it a lot.  I
 am laid off right now but if I have to scrape my pennies
 together and eat spaghetti for a month, I will.  She did
 tell me that sometimes kittens can convert to negative but
 since Nibbler had such problems already it didn't look good
 for him.  I am still trying everything to get him out of
 the slump and get some weight on him and maybe he can
  be as big and healthy as his 2 FelV + brothers.
 Crystal
  
 -
  
  
 Diane Rosenfeldt
 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:41:47 -0800
 Hi, Crystal --
 
 You'll get some great advice on this list. You guys are
 great for taking on
 this problem. I'm sorry Nibbler isn't doing so well. I
 guess my first (and
 only -- there are many more experienced people on this list
 to ask the
 others) question is how confident are you that your vet is
 up to speed on
 FeLV? That's kind of crucial here so that Nibbler gets the
 most
 knowledgeable care. Did your vet tell you that sometimes
 kittens convert to
 negative once their immune systems develop, and do you know
 if this is still
 an option for yours? 
 
 Best of luck and good vibes for Nibbler and the rest.
 
 Diane R. 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Crystal Proper
 Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:22 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
 
 Hi, my name is Crystal.  My husband and I rescued three
 kittens that were 4
 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old
 building.  We tamed them
 as well.  About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were
 all FELV positive. 
 Two of them are fine and doing great.  The runt, Nibbler,
 isnt.  Hes been
 on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny
 eyes and nose…we had
 to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody
 diarrhea.  He is very
 symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its
 course and has
 run out if suggestions for me.  Hes also half the size of
 his brothers. 
 However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for
 me because I
 dont want to give up on him.  Heres my list… He has
 severe diarrhea. 
 Today it seems to be much more watery and blood.  I have
 been given him
 yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora.  He was
 getting boiled chicken,
 but will only eat canned cat food now.  Hes also been
 wormed.
 He has a constant runny eyes and nose.  He gets L-Lysine,
 B Vitamin Complex,
 and Ginger Root.
 Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet
 Tinic.
 He still runs and tries to get into rooms hes not supposed
 to and gets on
 my chest and purrs in my face.  Hes my baby.
 Please and help and prayers would be appreciated.


  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help

2009-11-19 Thread Tracey Shrout
Crystal, have you tried a raw food for him?  When I first got my positive
kitty, she had uncontrollable (bloody)
diarrhea, and I tried every food I could.  The only thing that stopped it
was a raw food consisting of chicken and bones (among other ingredients).
She was on antibiotics, fortiflora, and had been wormed several times.  She
had been through so much up to that point and that was my last resort -- but
it worked!  I can't tell you how I fretted over her condition -- she was
miserable until I started feeding her the raw.  Feline's Pride is one of the
best on the market, but expensive and you have to have it shipped.  Nature's
Variety is another food that I have seen in the pet stores though.  It might
be worth a try, this is a diet highly recommended for Irritable Bowel
Disease.  Good luck, my heart goes out to you.
Tracey

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Hi, my name is Crystal.  My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4
 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building.  We tamed them
 as well.  About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive.
 Two of them are fine and doing great.  The runt, Nibbler, isn’t.  He’s been
 on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose…we had
 to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea.  He is very
 symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has
 run out if suggestions for me.  He’s also half the size of his brothers.
 However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I
 don’t want to give up on him.  Here’s my list…
 He has severe diarrhea.  Today it seems to be much more watery and blood.
 I have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora.  He was
 getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat food now.  He’s also
 been wormed.
 He has a constant runny eyes and nose.  He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin
 Complex, and Ginger Root.
 Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic.
 He still runs and tries to get into rooms he’s not supposed to and gets on
 my chest and purrs in my face.  He’s my baby.
 Please and help and prayers would be appreciated.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help

2009-11-19 Thread Cougar Clan
You might try to add a little pumpkin to his food.  Real canned  
pumpkin, not pie filling.  I keep several cans on hand because of the  
ferals at Mom's.  Most are not touchable and you can only do what you  
can do for them.  My vets use psyllium (just a pinch).

On Nov 19, 2009, at 4:26 PM, Tracey Shrout wrote:

Crystal, have you tried a raw food for him?  When I first got my  
positive

kitty, she had uncontrollable (bloody)
diarrhea, and I tried every food I could.  The only thing that  
stopped it
was a raw food consisting of chicken and bones (among other  
ingredients).
She was on antibiotics, fortiflora, and had been wormed several  
times.  She
had been through so much up to that point and that was my last  
resort -- but
it worked!  I can't tell you how I fretted over her condition -- she  
was
miserable until I started feeding her the raw.  Feline's Pride is  
one of the
best on the market, but expensive and you have to have it shipped.   
Nature's
Variety is another food that I have seen in the pet stores though.   
It might

be worth a try, this is a diet highly recommended for Irritable Bowel
Disease.  Good luck, my heart goes out to you.
Tracey

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com 
wrote:


Hi, my name is Crystal.  My husband and I rescued three kittens  
that were 4
weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building.  We  
tamed them
as well.  About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV  
positive.
Two of them are fine and doing great.  The runt, Nibbler, isn’t.   
He’s been
on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and  
nose…we had
to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea.  He  
is very
symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course  
and has
run out if suggestions for me.  He’s also half the size of his  
brothers.
However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me  
because I

don’t want to give up on him.  Here’s my list…
He has severe diarrhea.  Today it seems to be much more watery and  
blood.
I have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora.   
He was
getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat food now.   
He’s also

been wormed.
He has a constant runny eyes and nose.  He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin
Complex, and Ginger Root.
Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic.
He still runs and tries to get into rooms he’s not supposed to and  
gets on

my chest and purrs in my face.  He’s my baby.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help

2009-11-19 Thread jbero tds.net
Hello Crystal,

I love the people in this group.  They are compassionate and knowledgable.

Here are my suggestions.

1.  The upper respiratory infection - common in felv kittens.  I have fought
this battle.  As far as an effective antibiotic - Azithromycin works
wonders.  It is not currently approved for veterinary medicine, but I got it
from the vet school in Madison, wi.  It is amazing.  Call you vet and ask if
they would be willing to get it for your somehow.  The pet apothecary, etc.
The additional items are also helpful lysine for viral infection, vitamin c
for antioxidant and improved immune response.

2.  GI problems - oral antibiotics can often cause gi problems because it
truely does kill off the normal flora of the system and allows for
infectious bacteria to invade and actually viruses as well (including feline
coronavirs, partial cause of FIP).  Here is my biggest concern from what I
am hearing.  FIP is seen in association with felv especially in younger
multicat households.  The big symptoms are diarrhea, vomitting, high fever,
anemia, loss of muscle mass and anorexia.  Another woman in this group is
battling that right now.  It is thought by many vets to be nearly 100%
fatal.  No good conventional treatment options exist for them and decline is
usually days to weeks.   You can see neurologic symtpoms - unsteady gait,
seizures etc.  Or you can see fluid accumulate in the abdomen and chest so
they get sort of a barrel shaped abdomen that bulges out.   I can't say for
sure this is going on but it would be my biggest concern.  Things to look
for are high fever (~103F), anemia, loss of appetite, loss of muscle mass,
any bumpy or enlarged lymph nodes or new skin lesions, diarrhea and
vomitting, and the presence of eye changes - you see their third eyelid (it
is located on the side of the eye towards the nose) or clouding of their
eyes.  The other woman in this group is currently using high dose iv vitamin
C and I believe successfully.  It is, however, a day by day process.

3. Felv+ - Almost every vet I have ever spoken with believes this is a death
sentence.  It isn't always, but there's no way to tell now who will do well
and who won't.  So here's the deal.  If you have any chance of these kitties
turning negative or least living longer lives, it is to treat them all now.
If you wait until they are sick you are almost always fighting a losing
battle.  Things to do - diet - high protein diet (Evo or Nature's
Variety-instinct, there are others) or raw diet (frozen Nature's variety of
stella and chewy's), I recommend raw, but some will disagree.   Treatment -
LTCI , a monthly injection to stimulate the immune system cost about $70 per
injection, requires prescription, made by Imulan, they will send your vet
the meds or find a vet that has them they have names of vets near you;
Acemannan or Ambrotose - either intraperitoneal injection or oral supplement
- oral about $40 per bottle, no prescription for oral, made by Mannatech I
believe.  Interferon - oral medication, very cheap, need prescription most
vets can get.

You can use them separately or together.  Sometimes you can reverse the
viral status if you start early enough.

I really fear you have an FIP situation on your hands.  I would start
aggressive treatment with him now if that is the case.  I would stay away
from Prednisone (most vets recommend it)it will only symptomatically help
and the disease will progress.  I pray the high dose vitamin C will work for
this other woman and I would probably take that route with your little guy.

This is what I would consider - Azithromycin for the URI, high dose(by this
I mean on the order of grams per day - for the exact regimen I wouldl have
to speak with the other woman in the group)  vitamin C for possible FIP
(this will be a daily IV drip - labor intensive), Imulan injections and
continued oral supplements.  You are not going to win with conventional
treatment - I believe that with all my heart.  You have to look beyond what
the vets out there are telling you.

There are two other routes I am aware of for FIP, if you are interested I
can give you more info.  Good luck and God bless you.

Jenny


On 11/18/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Hi, my name is Crystal.  My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4
 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building.  We tamed them
 as well.  About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV
 positive.  Two of them are fine and doing great.  The runt, Nibbler,
 isn’t.  He’s been on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny
 eyes and nose…we had to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody
 diarrhea.  He is very symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just
 running its course and has run out if suggestions for me.  He’s also half
 the size of his brothers.  However, I was hoping someone here might have
 some help for me because I don’t want to give up on him.  Here’s my list…
 He has severe 

[Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help

2009-11-18 Thread Crystal Proper
Hi, my name is Crystal.  My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4 
weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building.  We tamed them as 
well.  About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive.  Two of 
them are fine and doing great.  The runt, Nibbler, isn’t.  He’s been on 
antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose…we had to 
stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea.  He is very 
symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has run 
out if suggestions for me.  He’s also half the size of his brothers.  However, 
I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I don’t want to 
give up on him.  Here’s my list…
He has severe diarrhea.  Today it seems to be much more watery and blood.  I 
have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora.  He was 
getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat food now.  He’s also been 
wormed.
He has a constant runny eyes and nose.  He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin Complex, 
and Ginger Root.
Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic.
He still runs and tries to get into rooms he’s not supposed to and gets on my 
chest and purrs in my face.  He’s my baby.
Please and help and prayers would be appreciated.


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help

2009-11-18 Thread Cougar Clan
First, lessen the stress on him and on yourself and give him and the  
others the best food possible.  Rescue Remedy and Feliway may help you  
and the kittens.


Second, enjoy every minute you have with these babies.  Don't look at  
calenders and wonder what if when or have self-doubts (almost  
impossible but try).  Every one starts dying the minute they take  
their first breath.  Make life as easy and fun and comfortable as you  
can for all you care about.  Nibbler and his sibblings have a hard row  
ahead of them but think what their lives would be like if you and your  
husband hadn't cared?  Dixie Louise lived 3 years when the vets were  
betting a much shorter time.  She had everything I thought she might  
possibly want (with the exception of mice to chase and, had  I known  
she was going to leave so suddenly, I might have gotten her the  
mice).  She was full grown when she came into my life as a throw- 
away.  She was the most wonderful little girl and I would not trade  
one second with her for anything.  That time is well worth the pain.


If you have a holistic vet in your area, seek her help.  Dixie had her  
regular vets who are marvelous and she had a great holistic vet, Betty  
Boswell.  I credit the combination of styles for her happy life.


Blessings to you, your husband and the kittens.


On Nov 18, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Crystal Proper wrote:

Hi, my name is Crystal.  My husband and I rescued three kittens that  
were 4 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building.   
We tamed them as well.  About 6 weeks ago we found out that they  
were all FELV positive.  Two of them are fine and doing great.  The  
runt, Nibbler, isn’t.  He’s been on antibiotics to try and get rid  
of his constant runny eyes and nose…we had to stop them about 2  
weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea.  He is very symptomatic  
and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has run  
out if suggestions for me.  He’s also half the size of his  
brothers.  However, I was hoping someone here might have some help  
for me because I don’t want to give up on him.  Here’s my list…
He has severe diarrhea.  Today it seems to be much more watery and  
blood.  I have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta  
Flora.  He was getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat  
food now.  He’s also been wormed.
He has a constant runny eyes and nose.  He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin  
Complex, and Ginger Root.

Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic.
He still runs and tries to get into rooms he’s not supposed to and  
gets on my chest and purrs in my face.  He’s my baby.

Please and help and prayers would be appreciated.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help

2009-11-18 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
Hi, Crystal --

You'll get some great advice on this list. You guys are great for taking on
this problem. I'm sorry Nibbler isn't doing so well. I guess my first (and
only -- there are many more experienced people on this list to ask the
others) question is how confident are you that your vet is up to speed on
FeLV? That's kind of crucial here so that Nibbler gets the most
knowledgeable care. Did your vet tell you that sometimes kittens convert to
negative once their immune systems develop, and do you know if this is still
an option for yours? 

Best of luck and good vibes for Nibbler and the rest.

Diane R. 

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Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help

Hi, my name is Crystal.  My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4
weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building.  We tamed them
as well.  About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive. 
Two of them are fine and doing great.  The runt, Nibbler, isn’t.  He’s been
on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose…we had
to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea.  He is very
symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has
run out if suggestions for me.  He’s also half the size of his brothers. 
However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I
don’t want to give up on him.  Here’s my list… He has severe diarrhea. 
Today it seems to be much more watery and blood.  I have been given him
yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora.  He was getting boiled chicken,
but will only eat canned cat food now.  He’s also been wormed.
He has a constant runny eyes and nose.  He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin Complex,
and Ginger Root.
Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic.
He still runs and tries to get into rooms he’s not supposed to and gets on
my chest and purrs in my face.  He’s my baby.
Please and help and prayers would be appreciated.


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help

2009-11-18 Thread Belinda Sauro
  When my Frankie got an upper respiratory, he had it for a long time.  
How long has Nibbler been on the antibiotic?


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