Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot

[Lorrie]

I'm so sad for you Maya, the hurt of losing Merlot must be terrible.
I'm now age 82 and I've been rescuing cats for 50 years. I've lost so
many to old age or Felv, and it's heart breaking. The only comfort we
have is knowing we loved those precious cats and made their lives,
however short they might be, as wonderful as we could. So many cats
never know love, the warmth of a home and food. I only wish I could
save them all.

Lorrie with 14 rescued cats at home and 32 in my shelter.



On 11-17, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

> I have lost 14 due to FELV and old age.  Be it FELV or old age, it
> hurts the same, but you must know that you did all you could and
> Merlot knew that.
> 



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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot

[dlgegg]

WOULDN'T IT BE NICE TO HELP ALL THE HELPLESS AND NEEDY.  IF I WIN THE SWEEPS OR 
PUBLISHER'S CLEARING HOUSE SWEEPS, I WOULD BUY A LOT OF LAND AND TAKE THEM ALL 
IN.

 Lorrie  wrote: 
> I'm so sad for you Maya, the hurt of losing Merlot must be terrible.
> I'm now age 82 and I've been rescuing cats for 50 years. I've lost so
> many to old age or Felv, and it's heart breaking. The only comfort we
> have is knowing we loved those precious cats and made their lives,
> however short they might be, as wonderful as we could. So many cats
> never know love, the warmth of a home and food. I only wish I could
> save them all.
> 
> Lorrie with 14 rescued cats at home and 32 in my shelter.
> 
> 
> 
> On 11-17, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
> 
> > I have lost 14 due to FELV and old age.  Be it FELV or old age, it
> > hurts the same, but you must know that you did all you could and
> > Merlot knew that.
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot (was Lymph Nodes)

[Marsha]

Maya,  so sorry to hear about Merlot. May his spirit be with you always, 
purring to yours across the divide when you need it most.


Marsha

On 11/17/2015 6:59 AM, Maya D'Alessio wrote:


Merlot left us yesterday morning. Thank you to everyone for your 
support over the month, it has been incredible.






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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot (was Lymph Nodes)

[Katherine K.]

Maya, I'm so sorry to hear about Merlot. Thank you for your dedicated care
for him over the last year and a half, since you first found out about his
illness after the loss of Yang. I know it is difficult to lose them after
you both fight so hard, but I hope you can find comfort in knowing you did
right by him in every way you could, and I am sure he knew that and felt
your love. May the memories you shared together bring you some peace during
this sad time.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Marsha  wrote:

> Maya,  so sorry to hear about Merlot. May his spirit be with you always,
> purring to yours across the divide when you need it most.
>
> Marsha
>
> On 11/17/2015 6:59 AM, Maya D'Alessio wrote:
>
>>
>> Merlot left us yesterday morning. Thank you to everyone for your support
>> over the month, it has been incredible.
>>
>>
>>
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[Felvtalk] Merlot

[Rain Tyler]

I am new to this group but I wanted to express my sympathy to Maya for the loss 
of Merlot.  

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> I am so sorry Maya, you were wonderful with him ,  it is such a horrible 
> virus .
> He is now at peace and isn't suffering . 
> x
>> On 17 Nov 2015, at 04:59, Maya D'Alessio wrote:
>> 
>> Merlot left us yesterday morning. Thank you to everyone for your support 
>> over the month, it has been incredible.
>> 
>> On Nov 17, 2015 12:48 AM,  wrote:
>> They sense our love and concern.  I often bring a sick furbaby on my bed and 
>> stay awake all night because I am afraid they will get worse and I will not 
>> know in time to do something for them.  People think I am nuts, but I cannot 
>> not be concerned.
>> 
>>  Ardy Robertson  wrote:
>>> I think when you really love your cat, you are inclined to observe every
>>> little thing and try to understand how they are feeling based on their
>>> actions/behavior. That gives you the insight into knowing what works and
>>> what does not. They may have the book training, but nothing replaces loving
>>> and observing.. and of course the love is returned. Our Tigger, when he
>>> was at his sickest and we thought he would not make it through the night,
>>> dragged himself into our bedroom during the night and could not get up on
>>> the bed by any means, but laid on the floor on my hubby's side where he felt
>>> safer being near his "mommy and daddy". (call me Cookoo)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Lorrie
>>> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 9:02 AM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lymph nodes
>>> 
>>> You got that right! I can tell they hate it that I am so knowledable about
>>> cats, as it shows them up. Experience is the greatest teacher.
>>> 
>>> Lorrie
>>> 
>>> 
 On 11-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 
 Vets and doctors soon learn it is useless to argue with us.
 Sometimes our experience is better than their training.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update

[Amani Oakley]

Maya

No matter what the outcome is of the temperature, I would suggest you start him 
on the Winstrol anyway. This is an omen of things to come. The virus is in 
there and causing a problem. It is unlikely to go away on its own. Don’t wait 
until he is doing badly to start the Winstrol.

Again, with Zander, we saw very much the same course. Some abnormal haematology 
results, some lack of appetite, temperature, licking concrete. That was in 
June/July. We took him to the vets, he got some antibiotics and seemed to 
improve. Then in September, a HUGE crash back into serious illness and we 
almost didn’t get him back.

If Merlot’s platelets dropped like that, the virus is affecting his bone 
marrow. Don’t wait until the effects are far-reaching and difficult to reverse. 
Athletes use Winstrol to build up their muscles and stamina and to repair 
damages tissue. My suggestion is that you use it as a supportive measure now 
and head off the very likely future crisis, even if it appears that you have 
achieved a bit of a reprieve now.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya 
D'Alessio
Sent: October-19-15 11:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update

So we can say relatively conclusively at this point that this is the FeLV, as 
his blood cell counts are going down and everything else has been ruled out.

His fever hasn't changed, which is good and bad. Good that it's not worse, bad 
that it's not responding to drugs. We got to take him home tonight and I've 
just got him settled in Phil's office, where I'll be sleeping with him for the 
night. He's definitely in better shape than this morning, more perky and like 
himself, but we are still on high alert.

The vet says he has roughly a 40% chance of a good prognosis. She's seen cats 
come back from this with FeLV, and others don't. We are taking him in first 
thing tomorrow to see the vet again and get re-evaluated, and we will make some 
more decisions about drugs at that point. The vet has agreed to try Winstrol 
tomorrow if the fever hasn't come down (he's on two antibiotics right now, an 
anti-nauseant and she upped the prednisolone).
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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update

[Margo]

Hi Maya,    Just my experience, but during Gribble's first crash (which brought his diagnosis) his fever went above 107. The only thing that brought it down was Ketoprofen. He got it daily for about a week. Many Vets don't use it for some reason (probably because of concerns about using NSAIDs in cats), but I have always had it available. My Vet had offered Metacam (which _I_ don't use) and she agreed to try the Ketoprofen. Something worked, but I can't swear what. I'm glad he's feeling better, that's always a good thing :)All the best,Margo-Original Message-
From: Maya D'Alessio <mde...@gmail.com>
Sent: Oct 19, 2015 11:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update

So we can say relatively conclusively at this point that this is the FeLV, as his blood cell counts are going down and everything else has been ruled out. His fever hasn't changed, which is good and bad. Good that it's not worse, bad that it's not responding to drugs. We got to take him home tonight and I've just got him settled in Phil's office, where I'll be sleeping with him for the night. He's definitely in better shape than this morning, more perky and like himself, but we are still on high alert.The vet says he has roughly a 40% chance of a good prognosis. She's seen cats come back from this with FeLV, and others don't. We are taking him in first thing tomorrow to see the vet again and get re-evaluated, and we will make some more decisions about drugs at that point. The vet has agreed to try Winstrol tomorrow if the fever hasn't come down (he's on two antibiotics right now, an anti-nauseant and she upped the prednisolone).-- Maya D'AlessioPhD studentB1 377B, x32320Graduate Studies Endowment Fund CoordinatorBiology GSA Vice ChairGSA Director At-LargeUniversity of Waterloo



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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update

[Maya D'Alessio]

Does the winstrol work on the fever though?
On Oct 20, 2015 3:21 AM, "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:

> Maya
>
>
>
> No matter what the outcome is of the temperature, I would suggest you
> start him on the Winstrol anyway. This is an omen of things to come. The
> virus is in there and causing a problem. It is unlikely to go away on its
> own. Don’t wait until he is doing badly to start the Winstrol.
>
>
>
> Again, with Zander, we saw very much the same course. Some abnormal
> haematology results, some lack of appetite, temperature, licking concrete.
> That was in June/July. We took him to the vets, he got some antibiotics and
> seemed to improve. Then in September, a HUGE crash back into serious
> illness and we almost didn’t get him back.
>
>
>
> If Merlot’s platelets dropped like that, the virus is affecting his bone
> marrow. Don’t wait until the effects are far-reaching and difficult to
> reverse. Athletes use Winstrol to build up their muscles and stamina and to
> repair damages tissue. My suggestion is that you use it as a supportive
> measure now and head off the very likely future crisis, even if it appears
> that you have achieved a bit of a reprieve now.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Maya D'Alessio
> *Sent:* October-19-15 11:19 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Merlot status update
>
>
>
> So we can say relatively conclusively at this point that this is the FeLV,
> as his blood cell counts are going down and everything else has been ruled
> out.
>
>
>
> His fever hasn't changed, which is good and bad. Good that it's not worse,
> bad that it's not responding to drugs. We got to take him home tonight and
> I've just got him settled in Phil's office, where I'll be sleeping with him
> for the night. He's definitely in better shape than this morning, more
> perky and like himself, but we are still on high alert.
>
>
>
> The vet says he has roughly a 40% chance of a good prognosis. She's seen
> cats come back from this with FeLV, and others don't. We are taking him in
> first thing tomorrow to see the vet again and get re-evaluated, and we will
> make some more decisions about drugs at that point. The vet has agreed to
> try Winstrol tomorrow if the fever hasn't come down (he's on two
> antibiotics right now, an anti-nauseant and she upped the prednisolone).
>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update

[Amani Oakley]

Here is the excerpt from The Merck Veterinary Manual, in the chapter entitled 
“Drugs Acting on the Blood or Blood-forming Organs”:


Anabolic steroids are compounds structurally related to testosterone that have 
similar protein-anabolic activity but minimal androgenic effects, such as 
masculinization. As part of their anabolic activity, these compounds increase 
the circulating RBC mass and possibly granulocytic mass. Clinical indications 
for use of anabolic steroids include chronic, nonregenerative anemias. Response 
to therapy is variable, and the time to clinical improvement is long, 
frequently ≥3 mo. The proposed mechanisms of action include increased ERP 
production via ERP-stimulating factor, differentiation of stem cells into 
ERP-stimulating factor-sensitive cells (eg, hemocytoblasts), and direct 
stimulation of erythroid-progenitor cells. The effect of anabolic steroids 
requires adequate ERP levels and sufficient cells in the bone marrow. Thus, the 
effectiveness of anabolic steroids in treating anemia may be limited, depending 
on the cause.

Anabolic steroids can be divided into 2 categories depending on the presence or 
absence of an alkyl group at the 17-carbon position. They are available as oral 
and parenteral preparations, including oil-based products intended for slow 
release. The absorption and disposition of anabolic steroids depend on the type 
of preparation and the animal species. Most are eliminated after hepatic 
metabolism. The alkylated products are more effectively absorbed when given PO 
and are more effective stimulants of bone marrow. Alkylated anabolic steroids 
include oxymetholone (dogs and cats: 1–5 mg/kg, PO, every 18–24 hr). 
Nonalkylated anabolic steroids include nandrolone decanoate (dogs: 1–1.5 mg/kg, 
IM/wk; cats: 1 mg/kg, IM/wk; horse: 1 mg/kg, IM, once every 4 wk). Boldenone 
undecylenate is approved for horses at 1.1 mg/kg, IM, every 3 wk. Side effects 
of anabolic steroids include sodium and water retention, virilization, and 
hepatotoxicity. The alkylated products are more hepatotoxic than the 
non-alkylated products, particularly in cats. Cholestatic liver damage develops 
early and can be significant but frequently is reversible.


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya 
D'Alessio
Sent: October-20-15 1:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update


My vet is not supportive of winstrol treatment, does anyone know of any sources 
I could send him to change his mind?
On Oct 20, 2015 11:34 AM, "Amani Oakley" 
<aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
Hi Maya

The fever is secondary to everything else going on. Keep him on the rest of the 
stuff anyway, and just add the Winstrol. My experience is that the fever will 
dissipate with the improvement of his blood counts, etc.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>]
 On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio
Sent: October-20-15 8:03 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update


Does the winstrol work on the fever though?
On Oct 20, 2015 3:21 AM, "Amani Oakley" 
<aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
Maya

No matter what the outcome is of the temperature, I would suggest you start him 
on the Winstrol anyway. This is an omen of things to come. The virus is in 
there and causing a problem. It is unlikely to go away on its own. Don’t wait 
until he is doing badly to start the Winstrol.

Again, with Zander, we saw very much the same course. Some abnormal haematology 
results, some lack of appetite, temperature, licking concrete. That was in 
June/July. We took him to the vets, he got some antibiotics and seemed to 
improve. Then in September, a HUGE crash back into serious illness and we 
almost didn’t get him back.

If Merlot’s platelets dropped like that, the virus is affecting his bone 
marrow. Don’t wait until the effects are far-reaching and difficult to reverse. 
Athletes use Winstrol to build up their muscles and stamina and to repair 
damages tissue. My suggestion is that you use it as a supportive measure now 
and head off the very likely future crisis, even if it appears that you have 
achieved a bit of a reprieve now.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>]
 On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio
Sent: October-19-15 11:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update

So we can say relatively conclusively at this point that this is the FeLV, as 
his blood cell counts are going down and everything else has been ruled out.

His fever hasn't changed, which is good and bad. Good that it's not worse, bad 
that it's not responding to drugs. We got to take him home

Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update

[Amani Oakley]

I tried to send another link to an interesting scientific study entitled 
“Winstrol-V (Stanozolol) Therapy and Nitrogen Retention in Dogs” by Olson ME, 
et. al. Unfortunately, for some reason I couldn’t send a link. Therefore, do a 
Google search by plugging in this title.

Though it is a study in dogs, it summarizes the benefits of Winstrol in 
strengthening animals who have suffered from trauma, surgery or chronic 
conditions, and appended to it is the drug manufacturer’s summary of the 
effects of Winstrol and the conditions to use it for.

Some of the quotes from the study are: “In situations such as surgical trauma, 
tissue-building action is desired, but appreciable weight gain is no. the 
increased retention of amino-acid-derived nitrogen without significant weight 
gain that was observed in this study demonstrates that Winstrol-V is an ideal 
therapeutic choice in those situations.” and “This study confirmed the 
tissue-building actions of Winstrol-V, which can benefit dogs with catabolic 
conditions, especially surgical trauma and chronic debilitating disease”.

The drug information sheet includes some of the following quotes:

“Winstrol-V Tablets are classified as ‘anabolic steroids’ because of their 
pronounced stimulatory effects on constructive metabolism. Stanozolol increases 
retention of nitrogen and minerals, reverses tissue-depleting processes, and 
promotes better utilization of dietary protein. Its anabolic effects lead to 
improvement in appetite, increased vigor, and notable gains in weight.” and “In 
a wide variety of tests in animals, Winstrol-V was shown to possess high 
anabolic potency, whereas its androgenic effect was very low. Extensive 
clinical investigations by veterinary practitioners have confirmed its anabolic 
action and therapeutic usefulness in dogs and cats.”

Under “Indications” it states: “Anabolic therapy with Winstrol-V Tablets is 
indicated whenever excessive tissue breakdown or extensive repair processes are 
proceeding. Such processes usually diminish protein reserves in the tissues, 
thus leading to negative nitrogen balance. Winstrol-V is indicated to reverse 
tissue-depleting processes and restore constructive metabolism. Anabolic 
therapy is intended primarily as an adjunct to other specific and supportive 
therapy, including nutrition therapy. Optimal results can be expected only when 
dietary intake is adequate and well balanced. . . .  Winstrol-V Tablets are 
indicated when the therapeutic objective is to improve appetite, promote weight 
gain, and increase strength and vitality. For these reasons, Winstrol-V is 
recommended for anorexia, unthriftiness, weight loss, debility, cachexia, 
inanition and poor hair coat when these accompany disease, trauma, or old age. 
Since certain skin conditions occurring in older dogs (alopecia and some types 
of eczema, for example) are caused by metabolic disorders based on negative 
nitrogen balance, Winstrol-V may help to control such conditions.”

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya 
D'Alessio
Sent: October-20-15 1:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update


My vet is not supportive of winstrol treatment, does anyone know of any sources 
I could send him to change his mind?
On Oct 20, 2015 11:34 AM, "Amani Oakley" 
<aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
Hi Maya

The fever is secondary to everything else going on. Keep him on the rest of the 
stuff anyway, and just add the Winstrol. My experience is that the fever will 
dissipate with the improvement of his blood counts, etc.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>]
 On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio
Sent: October-20-15 8:03 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update


Does the winstrol work on the fever though?
On Oct 20, 2015 3:21 AM, "Amani Oakley" 
<aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
Maya

No matter what the outcome is of the temperature, I would suggest you start him 
on the Winstrol anyway. This is an omen of things to come. The virus is in 
there and causing a problem. It is unlikely to go away on its own. Don’t wait 
until he is doing badly to start the Winstrol.

Again, with Zander, we saw very much the same course. Some abnormal haematology 
results, some lack of appetite, temperature, licking concrete. That was in 
June/July. We took him to the vets, he got some antibiotics and seemed to 
improve. Then in September, a HUGE crash back into serious illness and we 
almost didn’t get him back.

If Merlot’s platelets dropped like that, the virus is affecting his bone 
marrow. Don’t wait until the effects are far-reaching and difficult to reverse. 
Athletes use Winstrol to build up their muscles and stamina and 

Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Maya

The fever is secondary to everything else going on. Keep him on the rest of the 
stuff anyway, and just add the Winstrol. My experience is that the fever will 
dissipate with the improvement of his blood counts, etc.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya 
D'Alessio
Sent: October-20-15 8:03 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update


Does the winstrol work on the fever though?
On Oct 20, 2015 3:21 AM, "Amani Oakley" 
<aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
Maya

No matter what the outcome is of the temperature, I would suggest you start him 
on the Winstrol anyway. This is an omen of things to come. The virus is in 
there and causing a problem. It is unlikely to go away on its own. Don’t wait 
until he is doing badly to start the Winstrol.

Again, with Zander, we saw very much the same course. Some abnormal haematology 
results, some lack of appetite, temperature, licking concrete. That was in 
June/July. We took him to the vets, he got some antibiotics and seemed to 
improve. Then in September, a HUGE crash back into serious illness and we 
almost didn’t get him back.

If Merlot’s platelets dropped like that, the virus is affecting his bone 
marrow. Don’t wait until the effects are far-reaching and difficult to reverse. 
Athletes use Winstrol to build up their muscles and stamina and to repair 
damages tissue. My suggestion is that you use it as a supportive measure now 
and head off the very likely future crisis, even if it appears that you have 
achieved a bit of a reprieve now.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
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 On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio
Sent: October-19-15 11:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update

So we can say relatively conclusively at this point that this is the FeLV, as 
his blood cell counts are going down and everything else has been ruled out.

His fever hasn't changed, which is good and bad. Good that it's not worse, bad 
that it's not responding to drugs. We got to take him home tonight and I've 
just got him settled in Phil's office, where I'll be sleeping with him for the 
night. He's definitely in better shape than this morning, more perky and like 
himself, but we are still on high alert.

The vet says he has roughly a 40% chance of a good prognosis. She's seen cats 
come back from this with FeLV, and others don't. We are taking him in first 
thing tomorrow to see the vet again and get re-evaluated, and we will make some 
more decisions about drugs at that point. The vet has agreed to try Winstrol 
tomorrow if the fever hasn't come down (he's on two antibiotics right now, an 
anti-nauseant and she upped the prednisolone).
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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update

[Maya D'Alessio]

My vet is not supportive of winstrol treatment, does anyone know of any
sources I could send him to change his mind?
On Oct 20, 2015 11:34 AM, "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:

> Hi Maya
>
>
>
> The fever is secondary to everything else going on. Keep him on the rest
> of the stuff anyway, and just add the Winstrol. My experience is that the
> fever will dissipate with the improvement of his blood counts, etc.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Maya D'Alessio
> *Sent:* October-20-15 8:03 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update
>
>
>
> Does the winstrol work on the fever though?
>
> On Oct 20, 2015 3:21 AM, "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
>
> Maya
>
>
>
> No matter what the outcome is of the temperature, I would suggest you
> start him on the Winstrol anyway. This is an omen of things to come. The
> virus is in there and causing a problem. It is unlikely to go away on its
> own. Don’t wait until he is doing badly to start the Winstrol.
>
>
>
> Again, with Zander, we saw very much the same course. Some abnormal
> haematology results, some lack of appetite, temperature, licking concrete.
> That was in June/July. We took him to the vets, he got some antibiotics and
> seemed to improve. Then in September, a HUGE crash back into serious
> illness and we almost didn’t get him back.
>
>
>
> If Merlot’s platelets dropped like that, the virus is affecting his bone
> marrow. Don’t wait until the effects are far-reaching and difficult to
> reverse. Athletes use Winstrol to build up their muscles and stamina and to
> repair damages tissue. My suggestion is that you use it as a supportive
> measure now and head off the very likely future crisis, even if it appears
> that you have achieved a bit of a reprieve now.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Maya D'Alessio
> *Sent:* October-19-15 11:19 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Merlot status update
>
>
>
> So we can say relatively conclusively at this point that this is the FeLV,
> as his blood cell counts are going down and everything else has been ruled
> out.
>
>
>
> His fever hasn't changed, which is good and bad. Good that it's not worse,
> bad that it's not responding to drugs. We got to take him home tonight and
> I've just got him settled in Phil's office, where I'll be sleeping with him
> for the night. He's definitely in better shape than this morning, more
> perky and like himself, but we are still on high alert.
>
>
>
> The vet says he has roughly a 40% chance of a good prognosis. She's seen
> cats come back from this with FeLV, and others don't. We are taking him in
> first thing tomorrow to see the vet again and get re-evaluated, and we will
> make some more decisions about drugs at that point. The vet has agreed to
> try Winstrol tomorrow if the fever hasn't come down (he's on two
> antibiotics right now, an anti-nauseant and she upped the prednisolone).
>
>
>
> --
>
> Maya D'Alessio
>
> PhD student
>
> B1 377B, x32320
>
> Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator
>
> Biology GSA Vice Chair
>
> GSA Director At-Large
>
> University of Waterloo
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update

[Amani Oakley]

My Google search also pulled up a textbook called “Feline Internal Medicine 
Secrets” by Michael R Lappin. On page 318, in the chapter entitled “Anorexia 
and Weight Loss”, Winstrol is listed as an “Appetite stimulating drug”.

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya 
D'Alessio
Sent: October-20-15 1:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update


My vet is not supportive of winstrol treatment, does anyone know of any sources 
I could send him to change his mind?
On Oct 20, 2015 11:34 AM, "Amani Oakley" 
<aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
Hi Maya

The fever is secondary to everything else going on. Keep him on the rest of the 
stuff anyway, and just add the Winstrol. My experience is that the fever will 
dissipate with the improvement of his blood counts, etc.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>]
 On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio
Sent: October-20-15 8:03 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update


Does the winstrol work on the fever though?
On Oct 20, 2015 3:21 AM, "Amani Oakley" 
<aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
Maya

No matter what the outcome is of the temperature, I would suggest you start him 
on the Winstrol anyway. This is an omen of things to come. The virus is in 
there and causing a problem. It is unlikely to go away on its own. Don’t wait 
until he is doing badly to start the Winstrol.

Again, with Zander, we saw very much the same course. Some abnormal haematology 
results, some lack of appetite, temperature, licking concrete. That was in 
June/July. We took him to the vets, he got some antibiotics and seemed to 
improve. Then in September, a HUGE crash back into serious illness and we 
almost didn’t get him back.

If Merlot’s platelets dropped like that, the virus is affecting his bone 
marrow. Don’t wait until the effects are far-reaching and difficult to reverse. 
Athletes use Winstrol to build up their muscles and stamina and to repair 
damages tissue. My suggestion is that you use it as a supportive measure now 
and head off the very likely future crisis, even if it appears that you have 
achieved a bit of a reprieve now.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>]
 On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio
Sent: October-19-15 11:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] Merlot status update

So we can say relatively conclusively at this point that this is the FeLV, as 
his blood cell counts are going down and everything else has been ruled out.

His fever hasn't changed, which is good and bad. Good that it's not worse, bad 
that it's not responding to drugs. We got to take him home tonight and I've 
just got him settled in Phil's office, where I'll be sleeping with him for the 
night. He's definitely in better shape than this morning, more perky and like 
himself, but we are still on high alert.

The vet says he has roughly a 40% chance of a good prognosis. She's seen cats 
come back from this with FeLV, and others don't. We are taking him in first 
thing tomorrow to see the vet again and get re-evaluated, and we will make some 
more decisions about drugs at that point. The vet has agreed to try Winstrol 
tomorrow if the fever hasn't come down (he's on two antibiotics right now, an 
anti-nauseant and she upped the prednisolone).
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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot

[Maya D'Alessio]

Merlot was admitted to the vet hospital this morning. His fever is
persisting and we still have no idea as to cause. Last night they tested
for pancreatitis and that test came back normal. He got sub-Q fluids and
they sent him home with us. He has vomitted a few times and he has not
really kept down any nutrition since Saturday morning. They just did an
x-ray but there is no obvious issue. They are going to do a barium contrast
imaging series now after they administer IV fluids and antibiotics in hope
that his fever will come down.

The worst part is that we still really have no idea what is going on, so I
am just waiting to hear and worrying :(

On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Marsha  wrote:

> Treatment depends on the cause of the low platelet count.  If it's low
> enough that blood can't clot properly, he could develop internal bleeds
> from minor events, and become anemic or worse.  If the cause was his immune
> system attacking his own platelets, the treatment might be prednisolone to
> suppress his immune system.  But if he's FeLV+, that's not so likely.
> Platelet deficiency is called thrombocytopenia.
>
> Marsha
>
>
> On 10/18/2015 1:54 PM, Maya D'Alessio wrote:
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> Merlot is my 3.5 year old cat. Last summer my other cat passed away from
> FeLV (we had no idea she had it), and we had Merlot tested. He tests + on
> the snap/pcr test, but - on the ELISA. This gave me a little bit of piece
> of mind, in the hope that he would not become persistently +.
>
> Last night he was completely uninterested in dinner (very unusual for
> him), and he seemed a bit warm and lethargic. I took him in to the vets
> this morning and they wanted to do bloodwork. He has a temperature of 40.5
> C. First results come back all normal except a very low platelet count.
>
> They gave him a small dosage of prednisone, and a shot of penicillin and
> sent me home with doxycillin and some food to force feed him if he won't
> eat on his own. They want me to watch him and come back in to the vets in 3
> days to re-test his blood.
>
> Any experience with low platelet count, what that means and if there is
> any treatment?
>
> --
> Maya D'Alessio
> PhD student
> B1 377B, x32320
> Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator
> Biology GSA Vice Chair
> GSA Director At-Large
> University of Waterloo
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot

[Amy]

Keeping you and Merlot in my thoughts. Hope you figure it out and Merlot is 
feeling better soon.
Amy
  From: Maya D'Alessio <mde...@gmail.com>
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 10:09 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot
   
Merlot was admitted to the vet hospital this morning. His fever is persisting 
and we still have no idea as to cause. Last night they tested for pancreatitis 
and that test came back normal. He got sub-Q fluids and they sent him home with 
us. He has vomitted a few times and he has not really kept down any nutrition 
since Saturday morning. They just did an x-ray but there is no obvious issue. 
They are going to do a barium contrast imaging series now after they administer 
IV fluids and antibiotics in hope that his fever will come down.
The worst part is that we still really have no idea what is going on, so I am 
just waiting to hear and worrying :(
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Marsha <mar...@lynxe.com> wrote:

 

 Treatment depends on the cause of the low platelet count.  If it's low enough 
that blood can't clot properly, he could develop internal bleeds from minor 
events, and become anemic or worse.  If the cause was his immune system 
attacking his own platelets, the treatment might be prednisolone to suppress 
his immune system.  But if he's FeLV+, that's not so likely.  Platelet 
deficiency is called thrombocytopenia.
 
 Marsha
 
 On 10/18/2015 1:54 PM, Maya D'Alessio wrote:
  
 Hey everyone, 
  Merlot is my 3.5 year old cat. Last summer my other cat passed away from FeLV 
(we had no idea she had it), and we had Merlot tested. He tests + on the  
snap/pcr test, but - on the ELISA. This gave me a little bit of piece of mind, 
in the hope that he would not become persistently +. 
  Last night he was completely uninterested in dinner (very unusual for him), 
and he seemed a bit warm and lethargic. I took him in to the vets this morning  
and they wanted to do bloodwork. He has a temperature of 40.5 C. First results 
come back all normal except a very low platelet count.  
  They gave him a small dosage of prednisone, and a shot of penicillin and sent 
me home with doxycillin and some food to force feed him if he won't eat on his 
own. They want me to watch him and come back in to the vets in 3 days to 
re-test his blood. 
  Any experience with low platelet count, what that means and if there is any 
treatment? 
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Coordinator Biology GSA Vice Chair GSA Director At-Large University of Waterloo 
   
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot

[Lorrie]

Sometimes with a Felv pos. cat they get sick and the vet never does
actually find a cause, they simply go downhill. This has happened to
me many times, and when the cat or kitten won't eat and starts
hiding, I know it is time for him/her to be PTS.  Tthis is a terrible
decision to make, but dying slowly and painfully is worse. Felv can
cause so many different things happen to a cat, but it is a fatal
condition and positive cats always die.  Sometimes it's months and
other times years, but FelV is fatal. Vets try all kinds of things to
save them, but have not found a cure.  I'm not saying you are going
to lose Merlot, but this is what I've experienced with Felv pos.
cats.

Lorrie   



On 10-19, Maya D'Alessio wrote:
>Merlot was admitted to the vet hospital this morning. His fever is
>persisting and we still have no idea as to cause. Last night they
>tested for pancreatitis and that test came back normal. He got sub-Q
>fluids and they sent him home with us. He has vomitted a few times and
>he has not really kept down any nutrition since Saturday morning. They
>just did an x-ray but there is no obvious issue. They are going to do a
>barium contrast imaging series now after they administer IV fluids and
>antibiotics in hope that his fever will come down.
>The worst part is that we still really have no idea what is going on,
>so I am just waiting to hear and worrying :(
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot

[Maya D'Alessio]

Thanks for the advice re. the winstrol. I am honestly concerned about him
making it past the next few days.

His abdomen is really sore/tense/uncomfortable and he complains heavily
when being moved/picked up/palpated. Do you have any idea if that fits with
the FeLV?

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
wrote:

> Maya
>
>
>
> I would be pretty sure that the platelet drop is from FeLV and I am not
> sure why that is stumping the vets. FeLV can attack any one of the three
> cell lines (red cells, white cells and platelets) because it effects the
> bone marrow where these cells are all produced. Thus, when FeLV begins to
> affect a cat, you can get a drop in one or two or all three of the cell
> lines.
>
>
>
> In addition to the treatment he is getting, ask the vet to put him on
> Winstrol. I have posted here many times, and will again, that Winstrol is
> the only medication I found effective that actually turned back on the cell
> production of the bone marrow. He can remain on the prednisolone and the
> Doxycycline. Even though the Doxycycline is an antibiotic and thus not
> effective against viruses, my vets have said that they have gotten some
> positive results from using it with FeLV cats. I used it with my cat, in
> addition to the Prednisolone and the Winstrol, but having used the
> Doxycycline and Prednisolone WITHOUT the Winstrol first, I can confirm that
> it was the Winstrol that did the trick (confirmed by weekly monitoring of
> my cat’s blood work – checking specifically for haematocrit levels, RBC
> levels, Reticulocyte levels, white cells (total, neutrophils and
> leukocytes) and platelet counts. (I have posted this before, but just so
> that you know, before moving to Winstrol, I had my cat on Interferon –
> which did nothing to his blood work results at all – and then LTCI – which
> again had no positive result on the bloodwork.)
>
>
>
> Winstrol (Stanozolol) is an anabolic steroid which usually is required to
> be ordered from a compounding pharmacy. The dose I used was 1 mg 2x a day.
>
>
>
> If you want to confirm the effectiveness as I did, place Merlot on the
> Winstrol and after a week or two, run his haematology blood work again. You
> should start seeing a nudging up of the red cells, although the platelet
> counts in my cat at least, were the last to respond to the Winstrol. Don’t
> give up if there is no change in 2 weeks, and you will likely also get a
> bump up in his appetite and his general feeling of wellbeing (playing,
> purring, etc.)
>
>
>
> Merlot may start having his liver enzymes rise. Resist the urge or the
> advice of your vet to discontinue the Winstrol. The liver enzymes will very
> likely drop after he is weaned off the Winstrol, and for the time being,
> the more important thing is to deal with his failing bone marrow.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Maya D'Alessio
> *Sent:* October-19-15 10:10 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot
>
>
>
> Merlot was admitted to the vet hospital this morning. His fever is
> persisting and we still have no idea as to cause. Last night they tested
> for pancreatitis and that test came back normal. He got sub-Q fluids and
> they sent him home with us. He has vomitted a few times and he has not
> really kept down any nutrition since Saturday morning. They just did an
> x-ray but there is no obvious issue. They are going to do a barium contrast
> imaging series now after they administer IV fluids and antibiotics in hope
> that his fever will come down.
>
>
>
> The worst part is that we still really have no idea what is going on, so I
> am just waiting to hear and worrying :(
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Marsha <mar...@lynxe.com> wrote:
>
> Treatment depends on the cause of the low platelet count.  If it's low
> enough that blood can't clot properly, he could develop internal bleeds
> from minor events, and become anemic or worse.  If the cause was his immune
> system attacking his own platelets, the treatment might be prednisolone to
> suppress his immune system.  But if he's FeLV+, that's not so likely.
> Platelet deficiency is called thrombocytopenia.
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
> On 10/18/2015 1:54 PM, Maya D'Alessio wrote:
>
> Hey everyone,
>
>
>
> Merlot is my 3.5 year old cat. Last summer my other cat passed away from
> FeLV (we had no idea she had it), and we had Merlot tested. He tests + on
> the snap/pcr test, but - on the ELISA. This gave me a little bit of piece
> of mind, in the hope that he would not become persistently +.
>
>
>
> Last night he was 

Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot

[Amani Oakley]

Maya

I would be pretty sure that the platelet drop is from FeLV and I am not sure 
why that is stumping the vets. FeLV can attack any one of the three cell lines 
(red cells, white cells and platelets) because it effects the bone marrow where 
these cells are all produced. Thus, when FeLV begins to affect a cat, you can 
get a drop in one or two or all three of the cell lines.

In addition to the treatment he is getting, ask the vet to put him on Winstrol. 
I have posted here many times, and will again, that Winstrol is the only 
medication I found effective that actually turned back on the cell production 
of the bone marrow. He can remain on the prednisolone and the Doxycycline. Even 
though the Doxycycline is an antibiotic and thus not effective against viruses, 
my vets have said that they have gotten some positive results from using it 
with FeLV cats. I used it with my cat, in addition to the Prednisolone and the 
Winstrol, but having used the Doxycycline and Prednisolone WITHOUT the Winstrol 
first, I can confirm that it was the Winstrol that did the trick (confirmed by 
weekly monitoring of my cat’s blood work – checking specifically for 
haematocrit levels, RBC levels, Reticulocyte levels, white cells (total, 
neutrophils and leukocytes) and platelet counts. (I have posted this before, 
but just so that you know, before moving to Winstrol, I had my cat on 
Interferon – which did nothing to his blood work results at all – and then LTCI 
– which again had no positive result on the bloodwork.)

Winstrol (Stanozolol) is an anabolic steroid which usually is required to be 
ordered from a compounding pharmacy. The dose I used was 1 mg 2x a day.

If you want to confirm the effectiveness as I did, place Merlot on the Winstrol 
and after a week or two, run his haematology blood work again. You should start 
seeing a nudging up of the red cells, although the platelet counts in my cat at 
least, were the last to respond to the Winstrol. Don’t give up if there is no 
change in 2 weeks, and you will likely also get a bump up in his appetite and 
his general feeling of wellbeing (playing, purring, etc.)

Merlot may start having his liver enzymes rise. Resist the urge or the advice 
of your vet to discontinue the Winstrol. The liver enzymes will very likely 
drop after he is weaned off the Winstrol, and for the time being, the more 
important thing is to deal with his failing bone marrow.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya 
D'Alessio
Sent: October-19-15 10:10 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot

Merlot was admitted to the vet hospital this morning. His fever is persisting 
and we still have no idea as to cause. Last night they tested for pancreatitis 
and that test came back normal. He got sub-Q fluids and they sent him home with 
us. He has vomitted a few times and he has not really kept down any nutrition 
since Saturday morning. They just did an x-ray but there is no obvious issue. 
They are going to do a barium contrast imaging series now after they administer 
IV fluids and antibiotics in hope that his fever will come down.

The worst part is that we still really have no idea what is going on, so I am 
just waiting to hear and worrying :(

On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Marsha 
<mar...@lynxe.com<mailto:mar...@lynxe.com>> wrote:
Treatment depends on the cause of the low platelet count.  If it's low enough 
that blood can't clot properly, he could develop internal bleeds from minor 
events, and become anemic or worse.  If the cause was his immune system 
attacking his own platelets, the treatment might be prednisolone to suppress 
his immune system.  But if he's FeLV+, that's not so likely.  Platelet 
deficiency is called thrombocytopenia.

Marsha


On 10/18/2015 1:54 PM, Maya D'Alessio wrote:
Hey everyone,

Merlot is my 3.5 year old cat. Last summer my other cat passed away from FeLV 
(we had no idea she had it), and we had Merlot tested. He tests + on the 
snap/pcr test, but - on the ELISA. This gave me a little bit of piece of mind, 
in the hope that he would not become persistently +.

Last night he was completely uninterested in dinner (very unusual for him), and 
he seemed a bit warm and lethargic. I took him in to the vets this morning and 
they wanted to do bloodwork. He has a temperature of 40.5 C. First results come 
back all normal except a very low platelet count.

They gave him a small dosage of prednisone, and a shot of penicillin and sent 
me home with doxycillin and some food to force feed him if he won't eat on his 
own. They want me to watch him and come back in to the vets in 3 days to 
re-test his blood.

Any experience with low platelet count, what that means and if there is any 
treatment?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot

[Margo]

My experience has been similar in a way, but much more positive. Both of my two 
boys get sick. Bloodwork came back normal (surprisingly), even his CBC. Turns 
out he had a UTI, which is really very unusual in cats with normal kidney 
values. He's back to normal (for him). Gribble occasionally crashes hard, but 
he goes right on abx or an anti=viral, depending on the symptoms.

So far (knocking madly on wood) they both bounced back from just the symptoms 
you describe in Merlot.

Yes. FeLV is fatal. Life is fatal. Whatever the cause and the time frame, 
everyone will die.

But I don't feel obligated to make _That Decision_ because a cat with FeLV 
stops eating and hides. There are too many ways to support them temporarily, 
and give them a chance, while not letting them suffer. Many times they come 
back.

Sometimes they don't. I go cat by cat. 

Margo

-Original Message-
>From: Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com>
>Sent: Oct 19, 2015 11:23 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot
>

>Sometimes with a Felv pos. cat they get sick and the vet never does
>actually find a cause, they simply go downhill. This has happened to
>me many times, and when the cat or kitten won't eat and starts
>hiding, I know it is time for him/her to be PTS.  Tthis is a terrible
>decision to make, but dying slowly and painfully is worse. Felv can
>cause so many different things happen to a cat, but it is a fatal
>condition and positive cats always die.  Sometimes it's months and
>other times years, but FelV is fatal. Vets try all kinds of things to
>save them, but have not found a cure.  I'm not saying you are going
>to lose Merlot, but this is what I've experienced with Felv pos.
>cats.
>
>Lorrie   
>
>
>
>On 10-19, Maya D'Alessio wrote:
>>Merlot was admitted to the vet hospital this morning. His fever is
>>persisting and we still have no idea as to cause. Last night they
>>tested for pancreatitis and that test came back normal. He got sub-Q
>>fluids and they sent him home with us. He has vomitted a few times and
>>he has not really kept down any nutrition since Saturday morning. They
>>just did an x-ray but there is no obvious issue. They are going to do a
>>barium contrast imaging series now after they administer IV fluids and
>>antibiotics in hope that his fever will come down.
>>The worst part is that we still really have no idea what is going on,
>>so I am just waiting to hear and worrying :(
>> 
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot

[Maya D'Alessio]

Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with polyprenyl immunostimulant
(PI)?

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>
>
> My experience has been similar in a way, but much more positive. Both of
> my two boys get sick. Bloodwork came back normal (surprisingly), even his
> CBC. Turns out he had a UTI, which is really very unusual in cats with
> normal kidney values. He's back to normal (for him). Gribble occasionally
> crashes hard, but he goes right on abx or an anti=viral, depending on the
> symptoms.
>
> So far (knocking madly on wood) they both bounced back from just the
> symptoms you describe in Merlot.
>
> Yes. FeLV is fatal. Life is fatal. Whatever the cause and the time frame,
> everyone will die.
>
> But I don't feel obligated to make _That Decision_ because a cat with FeLV
> stops eating and hides. There are too many ways to support them
> temporarily, and give them a chance, while not letting them suffer. Many
> times they come back.
>
> Sometimes they don't. I go cat by cat.
>
> Margo
>
> -Original Message-
> >From: Lorrie <felineres...@frontier.com>
> >Sent: Oct 19, 2015 11:23 AM
> >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot
> >
>
> >Sometimes with a Felv pos. cat they get sick and the vet never does
> >actually find a cause, they simply go downhill. This has happened to
> >me many times, and when the cat or kitten won't eat and starts
> >hiding, I know it is time for him/her to be PTS.  Tthis is a terrible
> >decision to make, but dying slowly and painfully is worse. Felv can
> >cause so many different things happen to a cat, but it is a fatal
> >condition and positive cats always die.  Sometimes it's months and
> >other times years, but FelV is fatal. Vets try all kinds of things to
> >save them, but have not found a cure.  I'm not saying you are going
> >to lose Merlot, but this is what I've experienced with Felv pos.
> >cats.
> >
> >Lorrie
> >
> >
> >
> >On 10-19, Maya D'Alessio wrote:
> >>Merlot was admitted to the vet hospital this morning. His fever is
> >>persisting and we still have no idea as to cause. Last night they
> >>tested for pancreatitis and that test came back normal. He got sub-Q
> >>fluids and they sent him home with us. He has vomitted a few times
> and
> >>he has not really kept down any nutrition since Saturday morning.
> They
> >>just did an x-ray but there is no obvious issue. They are going to
> do a
> >>barium contrast imaging series now after they administer IV fluids
> and
> >>antibiotics in hope that his fever will come down.
> >>The worst part is that we still really have no idea what is going on,
> >>so I am just waiting to hear and worrying :(
> >>
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[Felvtalk] Merlot status update

[Maya D'Alessio]

So we can say relatively conclusively at this point that this is the FeLV,
as his blood cell counts are going down and everything else has been ruled
out.

His fever hasn't changed, which is good and bad. Good that it's not worse,
bad that it's not responding to drugs. We got to take him home tonight and
I've just got him settled in Phil's office, where I'll be sleeping with him
for the night. He's definitely in better shape than this morning, more
perky and like himself, but we are still on high alert.

The vet says he has roughly a 40% chance of a good prognosis. She's seen
cats come back from this with FeLV, and others don't. We are taking him in
first thing tomorrow to see the vet again and get re-evaluated, and we will
make some more decisions about drugs at that point. The vet has agreed to
try Winstrol tomorrow if the fever hasn't come down (he's on two
antibiotics right now, an anti-nauseant and she upped the prednisolone).

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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot

[Maya D'Alessio]

Wow, after looking in to FIP, it does sound like that could be what is
going on.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
wrote:

> Then get the Winstrol ASAP. My cat was in an oxygen tent and his
> haemotocrit was down to 5 before I got the Winstrol into him.
>
>
>
> The abdominal pain sounds more like FIP, to be honest, but I have a FIP
> cat who also responded remarkably to the Winstrol, so same advice. Call the
> vet today and speak to him about getting the Winstrol right away. I
> understand that it can be injected though I have never done that. If the
> vet is able, starting with an injection might give Merlot a faster boost.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Maya D'Alessio
> *Sent:* October-19-15 12:04 PM
>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot
>
>
>
> Thanks for the advice re. the winstrol. I am honestly concerned about him
> making it past the next few days.
>
>
>
> His abdomen is really sore/tense/uncomfortable and he complains heavily
> when being moved/picked up/palpated. Do you have any idea if that fits with
> the FeLV?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
> wrote:
>
> Maya
>
>
>
> I would be pretty sure that the platelet drop is from FeLV and I am not
> sure why that is stumping the vets. FeLV can attack any one of the three
> cell lines (red cells, white cells and platelets) because it effects the
> bone marrow where these cells are all produced. Thus, when FeLV begins to
> affect a cat, you can get a drop in one or two or all three of the cell
> lines.
>
>
>
> In addition to the treatment he is getting, ask the vet to put him on
> Winstrol. I have posted here many times, and will again, that Winstrol is
> the only medication I found effective that actually turned back on the cell
> production of the bone marrow. He can remain on the prednisolone and the
> Doxycycline. Even though the Doxycycline is an antibiotic and thus not
> effective against viruses, my vets have said that they have gotten some
> positive results from using it with FeLV cats. I used it with my cat, in
> addition to the Prednisolone and the Winstrol, but having used the
> Doxycycline and Prednisolone WITHOUT the Winstrol first, I can confirm that
> it was the Winstrol that did the trick (confirmed by weekly monitoring of
> my cat’s blood work – checking specifically for haematocrit levels, RBC
> levels, Reticulocyte levels, white cells (total, neutrophils and
> leukocytes) and platelet counts. (I have posted this before, but just so
> that you know, before moving to Winstrol, I had my cat on Interferon –
> which did nothing to his blood work results at all – and then LTCI – which
> again had no positive result on the bloodwork.)
>
>
>
> Winstrol (Stanozolol) is an anabolic steroid which usually is required to
> be ordered from a compounding pharmacy. The dose I used was 1 mg 2x a day.
>
>
>
> If you want to confirm the effectiveness as I did, place Merlot on the
> Winstrol and after a week or two, run his haematology blood work again. You
> should start seeing a nudging up of the red cells, although the platelet
> counts in my cat at least, were the last to respond to the Winstrol. Don’t
> give up if there is no change in 2 weeks, and you will likely also get a
> bump up in his appetite and his general feeling of wellbeing (playing,
> purring, etc.)
>
>
>
> Merlot may start having his liver enzymes rise. Resist the urge or the
> advice of your vet to discontinue the Winstrol. The liver enzymes will very
> likely drop after he is weaned off the Winstrol, and for the time being,
> the more important thing is to deal with his failing bone marrow.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Maya D'Alessio
> *Sent:* October-19-15 10:10 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot
>
>
>
> Merlot was admitted to the vet hospital this morning. His fever is
> persisting and we still have no idea as to cause. Last night they tested
> for pancreatitis and that test came back normal. He got sub-Q fluids and
> they sent him home with us. He has vomitted a few times and he has not
> really kept down any nutrition since Saturday morning. They just did an
> x-ray but there is no obvious issue. They are going to do a barium contrast
> imaging series now after they administer IV fluids and antibiotics in hope
> that his fever will come down.
>
>
>
> The worst part is that we still really have no idea what is going on, 

Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot

[Amani Oakley]

Then get the Winstrol ASAP. My cat was in an oxygen tent and his haemotocrit 
was down to 5 before I got the Winstrol into him.

The abdominal pain sounds more like FIP, to be honest, but I have a FIP cat who 
also responded remarkably to the Winstrol, so same advice. Call the vet today 
and speak to him about getting the Winstrol right away. I understand that it 
can be injected though I have never done that. If the vet is able, starting 
with an injection might give Merlot a faster boost.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya 
D'Alessio
Sent: October-19-15 12:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot

Thanks for the advice re. the winstrol. I am honestly concerned about him 
making it past the next few days.

His abdomen is really sore/tense/uncomfortable and he complains heavily when 
being moved/picked up/palpated. Do you have any idea if that fits with the FeLV?
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On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Amani Oakley 
<aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
Maya

I would be pretty sure that the platelet drop is from FeLV and I am not sure 
why that is stumping the vets. FeLV can attack any one of the three cell lines 
(red cells, white cells and platelets) because it effects the bone marrow where 
these cells are all produced. Thus, when FeLV begins to affect a cat, you can 
get a drop in one or two or all three of the cell lines.

In addition to the treatment he is getting, ask the vet to put him on Winstrol. 
I have posted here many times, and will again, that Winstrol is the only 
medication I found effective that actually turned back on the cell production 
of the bone marrow. He can remain on the prednisolone and the Doxycycline. Even 
though the Doxycycline is an antibiotic and thus not effective against viruses, 
my vets have said that they have gotten some positive results from using it 
with FeLV cats. I used it with my cat, in addition to the Prednisolone and the 
Winstrol, but having used the Doxycycline and Prednisolone WITHOUT the Winstrol 
first, I can confirm that it was the Winstrol that did the trick (confirmed by 
weekly monitoring of my cat’s blood work – checking specifically for 
haematocrit levels, RBC levels, Reticulocyte levels, white cells (total, 
neutrophils and leukocytes) and platelet counts. (I have posted this before, 
but just so that you know, before moving to Winstrol, I had my cat on 
Interferon – which did nothing to his blood work results at all – and then LTCI 
– which again had no positive result on the bloodwork.)

Winstrol (Stanozolol) is an anabolic steroid which usually is required to be 
ordered from a compounding pharmacy. The dose I used was 1 mg 2x a day.

If you want to confirm the effectiveness as I did, place Merlot on the Winstrol 
and after a week or two, run his haematology blood work again. You should start 
seeing a nudging up of the red cells, although the platelet counts in my cat at 
least, were the last to respond to the Winstrol. Don’t give up if there is no 
change in 2 weeks, and you will likely also get a bump up in his appetite and 
his general feeling of wellbeing (playing, purring, etc.)

Merlot may start having his liver enzymes rise. Resist the urge or the advice 
of your vet to discontinue the Winstrol. The liver enzymes will very likely 
drop after he is weaned off the Winstrol, and for the time being, the more 
important thing is to deal with his failing bone marrow.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>]
 On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio
Sent: October-19-15 10:10 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot

Merlot was admitted to the vet hospital this morning. His fever is persisting 
and we still have no idea as to cause. Last night they tested for pancreatitis 
and that test came back normal. He got sub-Q fluids and they sent him home with 
us. He has vomitted a few times and he has not really kept down any nutrition 
since Saturday morning. They just did an x-ray but there is no obvious issue. 
They are going to do a barium contrast imaging series now after they administer 
IV fluids and antibiotics in hope that his fever will come down.

The worst part is that we still really have no idea what is going on, so I am 
just waiting to hear and worrying :(

On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Marsha 
<mar...@lynxe.com<mailto:mar...@lynxe.com>> wrote:
Treatment depends on the cause of the low platelet count.  If it's low enough 
that blood can't clot properly, he could develop internal bleeds from minor 
events, and become anemic or worse.  If the cause was his immune system 
attacking his own platelets, the treatment might be prednisolone to suppress 
his immune system.  But if he's FeLV+, that's not so lik

Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot

[Lee]

If they gave you Doxycyclin they suspect hemobartinela a disease of the blood 
spread by fleas. Are the platelets white blood cells or red? If red cell count 
is low then he is anemic. If his white cell count is low some infection is 
overwhelming his immune system.

Did they check his teeth for infection or inflamed gums or ulceration? Is he 
dehydrated? Did they offer subcutaneous fluids or IV hydration.

Vets tend to paste an easy label on a sick animal when they really have no idea 
what is going on so they treat the wrong disease with incorrect medications.

The SNAP is the same as the ELISA . Did they do any other test for FeLv? There 
are a number of false readings with both these tests with either false positive 
or false negative. Never allow testing with the triple test which includes the 
combo test plus the heartworm test which can screw up the result of the combo 
test (FIV and FeLv). 

On Oct 18, 2015 1:54 PM, Maya D'Alessio  wrote:
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> Merlot is my 3.5 year old cat. Last summer my other cat passed away from FeLV 
> (we had no idea she had it), and we had Merlot tested. He tests + on the 
> snap/pcr test, but - on the ELISA. This gave me a little bit of piece of 
> mind, in the hope that he would not become persistently +.
>
> Last night he was completely uninterested in dinner (very unusual for him), 
> and he seemed a bit warm and lethargic. I took him in to the vets this 
> morning and they wanted to do bloodwork. He has a temperature of 40.5 C. 
> First results come back all normal except a very low platelet count. 
>
> They gave him a small dosage of prednisone, and a shot of penicillin and sent 
> me home with doxycillin and some food to force feed him if he won't eat on 
> his own. They want me to watch him and come back in to the vets in 3 days to 
> re-test his blood.
>
> Any experience with low platelet count, what that means and if there is any 
> treatment?
>
> -- 
> Maya D'Alessio
> PhD student
> B1 377B, x32320
> Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator
> Biology GSA Vice Chair
> GSA Director At-Large
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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot

[Maya D'Alessio]

Thanks Marsha. Yeah it seems somewhat common for thrombocytopenia to
develop in FeLV cats. I am assuming that it means it's not a good sign
overall for his longer term health. I am hoping to hear of a miracle drug
to get his platelets back up, then hope his body can keep it up.

His platelets were much less than the 200 low limit of the normal range.
They tested twice and got 38 and 64, and they did a smear just to confirm
there wasn't platelet clumping.


On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Marsha  wrote:

> Treatment depends on the cause of the low platelet count.  If it's low
> enough that blood can't clot properly, he could develop internal bleeds
> from minor events, and become anemic or worse.  If the cause was his immune
> system attacking his own platelets, the treatment might be prednisolone to
> suppress his immune system.  But if he's FeLV+, that's not so likely.
> Platelet deficiency is called thrombocytopenia.
>
> Marsha
>
>
> On 10/18/2015 1:54 PM, Maya D'Alessio wrote:
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> Merlot is my 3.5 year old cat. Last summer my other cat passed away from
> FeLV (we had no idea she had it), and we had Merlot tested. He tests + on
> the snap/pcr test, but - on the ELISA. This gave me a little bit of piece
> of mind, in the hope that he would not become persistently +.
>
> Last night he was completely uninterested in dinner (very unusual for
> him), and he seemed a bit warm and lethargic. I took him in to the vets
> this morning and they wanted to do bloodwork. He has a temperature of 40.5
> C. First results come back all normal except a very low platelet count.
>
> They gave him a small dosage of prednisone, and a shot of penicillin and
> sent me home with doxycillin and some food to force feed him if he won't
> eat on his own. They want me to watch him and come back in to the vets in 3
> days to re-test his blood.
>
> Any experience with low platelet count, what that means and if there is
> any treatment?
>
> --
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> PhD student
> B1 377B, x32320
> Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator
> Biology GSA Vice Chair
> GSA Director At-Large
> University of Waterloo
>
>
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[Felvtalk] Merlot

[Maya D'Alessio]

Hey everyone,

Merlot is my 3.5 year old cat. Last summer my other cat passed away from
FeLV (we had no idea she had it), and we had Merlot tested. He tests + on
the snap/pcr test, but - on the ELISA. This gave me a little bit of piece
of mind, in the hope that he would not become persistently +.

Last night he was completely uninterested in dinner (very unusual for him),
and he seemed a bit warm and lethargic. I took him in to the vets this
morning and they wanted to do bloodwork. He has a temperature of 40.5 C. First
results come back all normal except a very low platelet count.

They gave him a small dosage of prednisone, and a shot of penicillin and
sent me home with doxycillin and some food to force feed him if he won't
eat on his own. They want me to watch him and come back in to the vets in 3
days to re-test his blood.

Any experience with low platelet count, what that means and if there is any
treatment?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Merlot

[Marsha]

Treatment depends on the cause of the low platelet count.  If it's low 
enough that blood can't clot properly, he could develop internal bleeds 
from minor events, and become anemic or worse.  If the cause was his 
immune system attacking his own platelets, the treatment might be 
prednisolone to suppress his immune system.  But if he's FeLV+, that's 
not so likely.  Platelet deficiency is called thrombocytopenia.


Marsha

On 10/18/2015 1:54 PM, Maya D'Alessio wrote:

Hey everyone,

Merlot is my 3.5 year old cat. Last summer my other cat passed away 
from FeLV (we had no idea she had it), and we had Merlot tested. He 
tests + on the snap/pcr test, but - on the ELISA. This gave me a 
little bit of piece of mind, in the hope that he would not become 
persistently +.


Last night he was completely uninterested in dinner (very unusual for 
him), and he seemed a bit warm and lethargic. I took him in to the 
vets this morning and they wanted to do bloodwork. He has a 
temperature of 40.5 C. First results come back all normal except a 
very low platelet count.


They gave him a small dosage of prednisone, and a shot of penicillin 
and sent me home with doxycillin and some food to force feed him if he 
won't eat on his own. They want me to watch him and come back in to 
the vets in 3 days to re-test his blood.


Any experience with low platelet count, what that means and if there 
is any treatment?


--
Maya D'Alessio
PhD student
B1 377B, x32320
Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator
Biology GSA Vice Chair
GSA Director At-Large
University of Waterloo



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