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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-13 Thread dlgegg

Yes, I would do FELV if I brought a new cat into the house.  All here noew have 
already been exposexposed so vet agreed if they ahve not become positive by 
now, no nead.  At any point, all are healthy and well, no illness in the pride 
for the last 4 years.

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-12 Thread Margo

(I have been without internet, so if this is really late, sorry)I don't do the FeLV vaccine unless I'm going to house the new cat with FeLV+ cats. I do use the Purevax recombinant for those I do. I did NOT vaccinate the others who were living with Mako and Gribble when they were diagnosed. My Vet and I both figured that ship had sailed out the barn door.Margo-Original Message-
From: Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>
Sent: Jun 11, 2016 2:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

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<zzz![endif]-->See --- if the vets office ever explained anything like what you just did, I would realize the risk is worth it, but they don’t explain things. So you feel the FeLV vaccine is worth doing then? They sort of steered me against it at the store, and the shelter where Topaz came from. Topaz is about 13 months old now, according to the shelter’s vet’s best guess – I suppose based on her teeth? Thanks,Ardy   From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani OakleySent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 12:13 PMTo: Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>; felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv I am VERY pro-vaccine. I have a lengthy and extensive background in Microbiology and there is a very solid scientific basis for my position. Unfortunately, my experience is that many many people who are anti-vaccine don’t understand how vaccines work and certainly don’t understand where we came from and just how many animals and people died from diseases we now have under control. The only reason that people can now get away with avoiding vaccines, whether that is in people or in animals, is because they are dependent on the herd immunity. You don’t need to worry too much about getting German measles if all your neighbours are vaccinated, and you don’t need to worry about vaccinating your dog for rabies if all the neighbourhood dogs and cats are vaccinated. I completely agree and echo Margo’s observations. Be careful about this. People are deciding to forego vaccinations because they don’t see the awful repercussions often enough to be reminded of why vaccination is one of the most effective medical interventions in ever. If your cats are completely indoor, and you aren’t introducing new ones in all the time, then your risk is probably low and are probably okay to decide not to vaccinate regularly, with the important proviso Margo intelligently pointed out that sometimes animals get out despite our best efforts. Margo is also bang on when she cautions about the whiney world we live in where a mother will point to a scratch her precious child got while interacting with your cat and insist on testing to ensure that her coddled child is not going to die from your dirty animal. You’d better believe that in a contest between an animal’s life and a human being who has been “harmed” by contact with the animal – no matter how teensy weensy and inconsequential that harm may appear, or how unlikely it is that the animal is infected – that animal will die. You can hire the best lawyers in the country and pour as money as you’ve got into defending your animal, but it is an entirely lost cause. There isn’t a court in the world who will rule that the life of your cat isn’t worth the peace of mind of the mother and child. Many vets agree that annual vaccinations are no longer needed, especially with indoor animals, but check with the laws in your area and don’t run afoul of them if you can help it. And don’t take for granted the power of the microorganisms that attack animals and humans. With animals, unfortunately, vaccine manufacturers likely rush a vaccine into production well before it reaches the level of proof and safety we expect in human medicine, and thus, for diseases like FeLV, the vaccine is iffy. However, considering what we all know – how lethal FeLV can be and how little is in the arsenal to fight it – it is not surprising that someone decided a partially or sometimes effective vaccine is better than no vaccine at all, until something better comes along. Same goes with rabies – it is lethal and a terrible and painful way to die and very transmissible. Again, the only reason people are taking chances with rabies now is because of the effectiveness of the rabies vaccine – most of us luckily never have seen an animal infected with rabies. So we get complacent. However, as Margo pointed out, in animal species who are not pet species and thus don’t have a high vaccination rate (like raccoons, foxes and skunks) rabies is still a significant threat. Where our animals may come in contact with skunks, raccoons and foxes, even inadvertently, it is not wise to have unvaccinated dogs and cats, though I agree that annual vaccinations are probably not necessary. As

Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-11 Thread Ardy Robertson

See --- if the vets office ever explained anything like what you just did, I 
would realize the risk is worth it, but they don’t explain things. So you feel 
the FeLV vaccine is worth doing then? They sort of steered me against it at the 
store, and the shelter where Topaz came from. Topaz is about 13 months old now, 
according to the shelter’s vet’s best guess – I suppose based on her teeth?

 

Thanks,

Ardy

 

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 12:13 PM
To: Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I am VERY pro-vaccine. I have a lengthy and extensive background in 
Microbiology and there is a very solid scientific basis for my position. 
Unfortunately, my experience is that many many people who are anti-vaccine 
don’t understand how vaccines work and certainly don’t understand where we came 
from and just how many animals and people died from diseases we now have under 
control. The only reason that people can now get away with avoiding vaccines, 
whether that is in people or in animals, is because they are dependent on the 
herd immunity. You don’t need to worry too much about getting German measles if 
all your neighbours are vaccinated, and you don’t need to worry about 
vaccinating your dog for rabies if all the neighbourhood dogs and cats are 
vaccinated.

 

I completely agree and echo Margo’s observations. Be careful about this. People 
are deciding to forego vaccinations because they don’t see the awful 
repercussions often enough to be reminded of why vaccination is one of the most 
effective medical interventions in ever. If your cats are completely indoor, 
and you aren’t introducing new ones in all the time, then your risk is probably 
low and are probably okay to decide not to vaccinate regularly, with the 
important proviso Margo intelligently pointed out that sometimes animals get 
out despite our best efforts. Margo is also bang on when she cautions about the 
whiney world we live in where a mother will point to a scratch her precious 
child got while interacting with your cat and insist on testing to ensure that 
her coddled child is not going to die from your dirty animal. You’d better 
believe that in a contest between an animal’s life and a human being who has 
been “harmed” by contact with the animal – no matter how teensy weensy and 
inconsequential that harm may appear, or how unlikely it is that the animal is 
infected – that animal will die. You can hire the best lawyers in the country 
and pour as money as you’ve got into defending your animal, but it is an 
entirely lost cause. There isn’t a court in the world who will rule that the 
life of your cat isn’t worth the peace of mind of the mother and child.

 

Many vets agree that annual vaccinations are no longer needed, especially with 
indoor animals, but check with the laws in your area and don’t run afoul of 
them if you can help it. And don’t take for granted the power of the 
microorganisms that attack animals and humans. With animals, unfortunately, 
vaccine manufacturers likely rush a vaccine into production well before it 
reaches the level of proof and safety we expect in human medicine, and thus, 
for diseases like FeLV, the vaccine is iffy. However, considering what we all 
know – how lethal FeLV can be and how little is in the arsenal to fight it – it 
is not surprising that someone decided a partially or sometimes effective 
vaccine is better than no vaccine at all, until something better comes along. 
Same goes with rabies – it is lethal and a terrible and painful way to die and 
very transmissible. Again, the only reason people are taking chances with 
rabies now is because of the effectiveness of the rabies vaccine – most of us 
luckily never have seen an animal infected with rabies. So we get complacent. 
However, as Margo pointed out, in animal species who are not pet species and 
thus don’t have a high vaccination rate (like raccoons, foxes and skunks) 
rabies is still a significant threat. Where our animals may come in contact 
with skunks, raccoons and foxes, even inadvertently, it is not wise to have 
unvaccinated dogs and cats, though I agree that annual vaccinations are 
probably not necessary. As for vets and dog groomers, they may not ask if 
animals have been vaccinated because it was long the norm and the majority of 
people had vaccinated animals. With the spread of anti-vaccination messages, I 
predict this will soon enough become a problem again. (Just remember the 
measles outbreak in Disneyworld last year or the year before – too many 
complacent people assuming that measles as no longer a threat.) Just 
contemplate what the rabies vaccine has managed to accomplish – there are parts 
of the world that are completely rabies free (like Australia where Johnny Depp 
recently had his run-in with the Prime Ministe

Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-11 Thread dlgegg

My Shorty lost all his hair around the vaccination area.  He lost his appetite 
and was lethargic.  He recovered from that , but later died of seisures and 
stroke.  Never again will I geet a cat vacinanated.

 Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: 
> Yes – I know. When we moved to our new home 14 years ago, Scotchie got out 
> and was gone for two days, right after I had him vaccinated for rabies – I 
> think he was mad at me for taking him in. I took off work and searched for 
> him from morning to night. I finally found him on the second day and he was 
> in some bushes and would not come to me. He was acting weird. I went into the 
> bushes and got him and he was scared of me…and he hung on tight with his 
> claws, drawing some blood. He died a couple days later, and the vet asked if 
> he scratched me and I said yes. So they insisted on doing a test on his head 
> for $100 to see if he had rabies. They wanted to do a complete autopsy for 
> $700 and I said no – he was already gone. He had stopped eating/drinking 
> right after the rabies shot, and they gave him sub-q fluids and put him on 
> some pills that I found out later can cause convulsions in puppies. He had 
> convulsions and yet they did not think it was from the pills.
> 
>  
> 
> Ardy
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
> Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 5:29 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Sorry, I KNOW I'm sounding very PRO vaccine, but I'm not. I've just seen the 
> consequences of not vaccinating. And with rabies, it isn't just that the 
> critter can get sick and die from something preventable. There's still PLENTY 
> of rabies in wildlife, and wildlife is closer to us that ever, especially the 
> most important vectors, being skunks and raccoons. Raccoons often occupy 
> attics. Skunks cn take up residence under porches.
> 
> I worked at an Animal Control facility. Just quickly, animals get out. There 
> are fires, and disasters. Sometimes when an animal has to be caught, a human 
> may be scratched or bitten. Quarantine isn't always an option, and if the 
> anial has injured someone, and that someone requests it, the animal MUST be 
> tested.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Ardy Robertson 
> Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:18 AM 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>  
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, with the exception of Cally who is vaccinated, my cats are indoor-only 
> except when I carry them outside on walks. The vet said it is possible that a 
> mouse or bat could get inside, but not too likely.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:42 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
> 
>  
> 
> That book I mentioned by Dr. Martin Goldstein mentions all kinds of illnesses 
> that happened to animals coinciding with vaccines. Many vets believe that 
> after a couple of vaccines they are protected for life, Goldstein does 
> something called tittering so he can check the antibodies of his patients to 
> know if they need to have another vaccine. How likely is it that our cats 
> will get rabies? Slim to none and slim is out of town! Sorry about Scotchie. 
> :( Horrible. 
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> <mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:43 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
> 
>  
> 
> I’m not wild about rabies vaccinations either. My Butterscotch (“Scotchie”) 
> died right after having a rabies vaccination!
> 
> Ardy
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:33 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
> 
>  
> 
> I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it.  And if they 
> can’t determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did 
> he say about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important 
> thing of all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever advised 
> them against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them

Re: [Felvtalk] Different types of FeLV

2016-06-11 Thread Margo

I strongly disagree. "Killed" (inactivated) vaccines contain adjuvants. Those adjuvants have been implicated in the development of FISS in vaccinated cats. Of course, even non-adjuvanted vaccines have resulted in the same, but the name has been changed from VAS to FISS because it nows seems that ANY Injection can be associated with the tumors.I use Purevax recombinant vaccines for both rabies and FeLV, which are considered the most likely to be associated with FISS. From this article ;http://catinfo.org/?link=vaccines"If you are 
		more comfortable vaccinating a cat that 
		goes outside, please do not vaccinate 
		him yearly.  Vaccinating one time 
		with a PureVax (the only 
		NON-adjuvanted option) vaccine would fit 
		within my comfort zone."I use NO Killed Vaccines.Margo  -Original Message-
From: Terri Brown <siggies...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Jun 10, 2016 11:45 PM
To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Different types of FeLV

I think she may have meant the FIV vaccine.  FIV vaccines will cause the cat to always test positive.  That is not the case with the FeLV vaccine.Killed virus FeLV vaccine is safe.(The lurker comes out of the shadows for this one)=^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, 
Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire =^..^=--Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:06:27 -0500From: "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net>To: "'Margo'" <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>,<felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of FelvYes - she said because after they receive the FeLV vaccination, they alwaystest positive for FeLV. I did not know if this was true or not. She seemedlike she knew what she was talking about - she knows a lot about animalnutrition etc. but of course is not a vet or anything.Ardy-Original Message-From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf OfMargoSent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 5:12 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv Did the Pet Store Manager say why s/he did not approve?Margo-Original Message-From: Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:01 AMTo: felineres...@frontier.com, felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of FelvMy vet never said that exactly, but the pet store manager told me the FeLV vaccine is not a good idea.Ardy-Original Message-From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LorrieSent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:38 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of FelvHas anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELVcat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have acompromised immune system?My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my old cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some positive cats can live long lives in spite of having the virus.It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are not fully developed.Lorrie___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.orgDate: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:09:39 -0500From: "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net>To: "'Margo'" <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>,felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of FelvMessage-ID: <017f01d1c37d$ee8a62b0$cb9f2810$@centurytel.net>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"I know... I could not believe that she told me that. And yes, her dogsare in contact with the dogs that go to her classes and also to her doggieday care. Maybe she had to get them vaccinated when she went on her own andopened her own business but when she worked at a different one, they werenot vaccinated. Yes, I agree she could get in trouble too - and yet, I seeher point too.Ardy-Original Message-From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf OfMargoSent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 5:22 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of FelvI have fed raw, but don't currently.If the trainer's dogs have contact with clients or other dogs, s/he shouldbe careful. That's the kind of high profile that can bring trouble. It onlytakes one person telling the "wrong" person that she doesn't vaccinate, andshe could be in deep doo-doo. It is possible in some states to get a "waiver" allowing a cat to not bevaccinated for health reasons, but the cat/dog is treated as unvaccinatedand subjected to t

Re: [Felvtalk] Different types of FeLV

2016-06-10 Thread Terri Brown

I think she may have meant the FIV vaccine.  FIV vaccines will cause the cat to 
always test positive.  That is not the case with the FeLV vaccine.
Killed virus FeLV vaccine is safe.
(The lurker comes out of the shadows for this one)

=^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, 
Samantha, 
Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire 
=^..^=

--
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:06:27 -0500
From: "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net>
To: "'Margo'" <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>,
<felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

Yes - she said because after they receive the FeLV vaccination, they always
test positive for FeLV. I did not know if this was true or not. She seemed
like she knew what she was talking about - she knows a lot about animal
nutrition etc. but of course is not a vet or anything.

Ardy

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Margo
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 5:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv


 Did the Pet Store Manager say why s/he did not approve?

Margo

-Original Message-
From: Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>
Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:01 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

My vet never said that exactly, but the pet store manager told me the 
FeLV vaccine is not a good idea.

Ardy

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
compromised immune system?


My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my 
old cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some 
positive cats can live long lives in spite of having the virus.

It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are 
not fully developed.


Lorrie

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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:09:39 -0500
From: "Ardy Robertson" <ar...@centurytel.net>
To: "'Margo'" <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>,
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
Message-ID: <017f01d1c37d$ee8a62b0$cb9f2810$@centurytel.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="us-ascii"

I know... I could not believe that she told me that. And yes, her dogs
are in contact with the dogs that go to her classes and also to her doggie
day care. Maybe she had to get them vaccinated when she went on her own and
opened her own business but when she worked at a different one, they were
not vaccinated. Yes, I agree she could get in trouble too - and yet, I see
her point too.

Ardy

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Margo
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 5:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv


I have fed raw, but don't currently.

If the trainer's dogs have contact with clients or other dogs, s/he should
be careful. That's the kind of high profile that can bring trouble. It only
takes one person telling the "wrong" person that she doesn't vaccinate, and
she could be in deep doo-doo. 

It is possible in some states to get a "waiver" allowing a cat to not be
vaccinated for health reasons, but the cat/dog is treated as unvaccinated
and subjected to the same conditions as an unvaccinated animal.

It's a choice, but needs to be made with care. 

Margo

-Original Message-
From: Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>
Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:16 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

In Wisconsin, rabies vaccinations are actually required for dogs, but 
not for cats. But a lot of vets will not treat a cat that is not rabies 
vaccinated. Since Scotchie died from a rabies vaccination, I do not 
vaccinate for it unless they make me. Cally had to have surgery to be 
spayed, so she had to be vaccinated for rabies and she came through fine.
And Topaz was already vaccinated when I adopted her.

I know a very reputable dog trainer who actually runs a doggie day-care 
and training center, and she has three dogs of her own and does not 
have them vaccinated for rabies - I have no idea how she gets by with 
it, but she believes rabies vaccinations are

Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-10 Thread Ardy Robertson

Yes – I know. When we moved to our new home 14 years ago, Scotchie got out and 
was gone for two days, right after I had him vaccinated for rabies – I think he 
was mad at me for taking him in. I took off work and searched for him from 
morning to night. I finally found him on the second day and he was in some 
bushes and would not come to me. He was acting weird. I went into the bushes 
and got him and he was scared of me…and he hung on tight with his claws, 
drawing some blood. He died a couple days later, and the vet asked if he 
scratched me and I said yes. So they insisted on doing a test on his head for 
$100 to see if he had rabies. They wanted to do a complete autopsy for $700 and 
I said no – he was already gone. He had stopped eating/drinking right after the 
rabies shot, and they gave him sub-q fluids and put him on some pills that I 
found out later can cause convulsions in puppies. He had convulsions and yet 
they did not think it was from the pills.

 

Ardy

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 5:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 



Sorry, I KNOW I'm sounding very PRO vaccine, but I'm not. I've just seen the 
consequences of not vaccinating. And with rabies, it isn't just that the 
critter can get sick and die from something preventable. There's still PLENTY 
of rabies in wildlife, and wildlife is closer to us that ever, especially the 
most important vectors, being skunks and raccoons. Raccoons often occupy 
attics. Skunks cn take up residence under porches.

I worked at an Animal Control facility. Just quickly, animals get out. There 
are fires, and disasters. Sometimes when an animal has to be caught, a human 
may be scratched or bitten. Quarantine isn't always an option, and if the anial 
has injured someone, and that someone requests it, the animal MUST be tested.



-Original Message- 
From: Ardy Robertson 
Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:18 AM 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv 




Yes, with the exception of Cally who is vaccinated, my cats are indoor-only 
except when I carry them outside on walks. The vet said it is possible that a 
mouse or bat could get inside, but not too likely.

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

That book I mentioned by Dr. Martin Goldstein mentions all kinds of illnesses 
that happened to animals coinciding with vaccines. Many vets believe that after 
a couple of vaccines they are protected for life, Goldstein does something 
called tittering so he can check the antibodies of his patients to know if they 
need to have another vaccine. How likely is it that our cats will get rabies? 
Slim to none and slim is out of town! Sorry about Scotchie. :( Horrible. 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I’m not wild about rabies vaccinations either. My Butterscotch (“Scotchie”) 
died right after having a rabies vaccination!

Ardy

 

 

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Dagner
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it.  And if they can’t 
determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did he say 
about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important thing of 
all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever advised them 
against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, 
being they have a compromised immune system? 

 

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Subject: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than FELV 
C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have. Is it 
true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets. 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-10 Thread Ardy Robertson

I know... I could not believe that she told me that. And yes, her dogs
are in contact with the dogs that go to her classes and also to her doggie
day care. Maybe she had to get them vaccinated when she went on her own and
opened her own business but when she worked at a different one, they were
not vaccinated. Yes, I agree she could get in trouble too - and yet, I see
her point too.

Ardy


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Margo
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv


I have fed raw, but don't currently.

If the trainer's dogs have contact with clients or other dogs, s/he should
be careful. That's the kind of high profile that can bring trouble. It only
takes one person telling the "wrong" person that she doesn't vaccinate, and
she could be in deep doo-doo. 

It is possible in some states to get a "waiver" allowing a cat to not be
vaccinated for health reasons, but the cat/dog is treated as unvaccinated
and subjected to the same conditions as an unvaccinated animal.

It's a choice, but needs to be made with care. 

Margo

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>From: Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>
>Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:16 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>In Wisconsin, rabies vaccinations are actually required for dogs, but 
>not for cats. But a lot of vets will not treat a cat that is not rabies 
>vaccinated. Since Scotchie died from a rabies vaccination, I do not 
>vaccinate for it unless they make me. Cally had to have surgery to be 
>spayed, so she had to be vaccinated for rabies and she came through fine.
>And Topaz was already vaccinated when I adopted her.
>
>I know a very reputable dog trainer who actually runs a doggie day-care 
>and training center, and she has three dogs of her own and does not 
>have them vaccinated for rabies - I have no idea how she gets by with 
>it, but she believes rabies vaccinations are bad. She also is an 
>advocate for feeding raw meat to her animals, and no commercial dog food.
>
>Thank you,
>Ardy Robertson, Clerk
>Town of Garfield - Jackson County, WI
>N14438 Valleybrook Ln
>Osseo  WI  54758
>715-533-0661
>
>
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>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>Of Rachel Dagner
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>To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>That is very good to know, thank you for sharing. My Chihuahua is 11 
>and she has always had a bad reaction to vaccines, the last 3 year 
>rabies shot she got about 6 months ago resulted in a bump between her 
>hip and rib cage that is still there, they said it is nothing to worry 
>about, but I do not think I will get the rabies vaccine for her again. 
>I pray that they are right and the bump is nothing and will eventually go
away.
>
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>Of Lorrie
>Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 8:38 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>>Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>>cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>>compromised immune system?
>-
>
>My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my 
>old cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some 
>positive cats can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
>-
>
>It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
>Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are 
>not fully developed.
>
>
>Lorrie
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-10 Thread Ardy Robertson

Yes - she said because after they receive the FeLV vaccination, they always
test positive for FeLV. I did not know if this was true or not. She seemed
like she knew what she was talking about - she knows a lot about animal
nutrition etc. but of course is not a vet or anything.

Ardy

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Margo
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Did the Pet Store Manager say why s/he did not approve?

Margo

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>To: felineres...@frontier.com, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>My vet never said that exactly, but the pet store manager told me the 
>FeLV vaccine is not a good idea.
>
>Ardy
>
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>Of Lorrie
>Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:38 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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>
>>Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>>cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>>compromised immune system?
>-
> 
>My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my 
>old cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some 
>positive cats can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
>-
>
>It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
>Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are 
>not fully developed.
>
>
>Lorrie
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-09 Thread Rachel Dagner

Ok, thank you, and I understand and agree with your points as well.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Amani Oakley
*Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 3:52 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv



Rachel



I don’t think I suggested you are an anti-vaxxer, so I apologize if you
took my comments that way. However, what I do suggest is caution and a
healthy inquiring mind regarding interacting with people who are giving out
faulty, unscientific advice about vaccines (and there are a lot of them,
though their voices are far more muted now since the measles out break). I
don’t think a vet who suggests spacing out vaccinations or one who measures
titres are at all anit-vaccination. These are prudent measures to take and
I agree that our animals likely hold their immunity, when vaccinated, a lot
longer than a year (which is why measuring of titres makes sense – you are
measuring the reactivity of the immune system to a particular antigen, to
determine if the animal is still responsive to the introduction of the
bacteria or viral antigen). However, my caution is to remind people that
even with some problems with some vaccines, we shouldn’t respond by moving
180 degrees in the opposite direction. We should also not pay attention to
those who call for a blanket rejection of vaccines. This is a dangerous
strategy.



On one point, though, I want to make a comment. Vaccinations are not just
about one person or one animal. Vaccinations are also for the good of the
community. Those who DON’T vaccinate are only safe because they are
cocooned inside a grouping of a whole lot of other people or animals, who
had to take the risks – no matter how big or slight one perceives those to
be – of being vaccinated. That is why many states, provinces, etc., have
rules about what vaccines kids have to have before they can go to school.
If your choice meant that your own child and only your own child was put at
risk, that is one thing. But that is not the case. In the German measles
outbreak that happened in Disney world, I seem to recall that several young
children under the age of two, died and/or were left permanently damaged by
the infection. Children under two cannot be vaccinated, so they truly must
rely on the rest of us being vaccinated to keep the infection away from
them. So while there are elements of personal choice, where an infection
can spread to others in the community, I think that takes the issue out of
solely being personal and elevates it to a community issue. The saying in
law is along the lines of, “your rights end where mine begin”. However, I
agree with you that you have far more flexibility with indoor cats, keeping
in mind the proviso that Margo mentioned – that circumstances happen and
our cats get out, with or without us meaning to have that happen.



I also agree with you completely about the rabies vaccine, and I wouldn’t
be at all surprised if they found that the immunity the animals garner,
holds for a lot longer than three years. I think what you are describing
your Tampa vet does, is prudent and makes a lot of sense.





Amani



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
<felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] *On Behalf Of *Rachel Dagner
*Sent:* June-09-16 3:05 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; Margo
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv



Everyone has a choice in how they chose to proceed with their indoor FELV
cats. I never said I was anti vaccine, I said I personally would not have
given Tucker more vaccines if I had known then what I know now. He started
having infections after he got them and our world went downhill from there,
his immune system was already compromised and I wish I would not have added
the extra stress to it. My choice. I said I am very concerned about the
rabies vaccine for my tiny, older (inside and/or never out of my sight) dog
since she has always had very bad reactions to them and now has a large
lump on her side that will not go away, I am looking into my options, and
will weigh them very carefully to decide what I feel comfortable with. My
choice. Since we now know that there are several people on this list who
along with their vets, might not choose to vaccinate their sick or elderly
animals, and for obviously concerning reasons, I would hope you are not
using the term anti-vaxxers to refer to myself or to them? In the event
anyone is interested, I found an integrative vet in Tampa and it is a hike
for me but she does not do vaccines all at once, she spaces them out,
writes exemptions for pets that have had serious adverse reactions, or have
serious illnesses where their heath could be compromised by vaccines, and
will do the titer with one T test, for your piece of mind that your pet
still has enough antibodies for protection, the test is not recognized as a
replacement for the shot at least where I live, but at least it is
something

Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-09 Thread Amani Oakley

Rachel

I don’t think I suggested you are an anti-vaxxer, so I apologize if you took my 
comments that way. However, what I do suggest is caution and a healthy 
inquiring mind regarding interacting with people who are giving out faulty, 
unscientific advice about vaccines (and there are a lot of them, though their 
voices are far more muted now since the measles out break). I don’t think a vet 
who suggests spacing out vaccinations or one who measures titres are at all 
anit-vaccination. These are prudent measures to take and I agree that our 
animals likely hold their immunity, when vaccinated, a lot longer than a year 
(which is why measuring of titres makes sense – you are measuring the 
reactivity of the immune system to a particular antigen, to determine if the 
animal is still responsive to the introduction of the bacteria or viral 
antigen). However, my caution is to remind people that even with some problems 
with some vaccines, we shouldn’t respond by moving 180 degrees in the opposite 
direction. We should also not pay attention to those who call for a blanket 
rejection of vaccines. This is a dangerous strategy.

On one point, though, I want to make a comment. Vaccinations are not just about 
one person or one animal. Vaccinations are also for the good of the community. 
Those who DON’T vaccinate are only safe because they are cocooned inside a 
grouping of a whole lot of other people or animals, who had to take the risks – 
no matter how big or slight one perceives those to be – of being vaccinated. 
That is why many states, provinces, etc., have rules about what vaccines kids 
have to have before they can go to school. If your choice meant that your own 
child and only your own child was put at risk, that is one thing. But that is 
not the case. In the German measles outbreak that happened in Disney world, I 
seem to recall that several young children under the age of two, died and/or 
were left permanently damaged by the infection. Children under two cannot be 
vaccinated, so they truly must rely on the rest of us being vaccinated to keep 
the infection away from them. So while there are elements of personal choice, 
where an infection can spread to others in the community, I think that takes 
the issue out of solely being personal and elevates it to a community issue. 
The saying in law is along the lines of, “your rights end where mine begin”. 
However, I agree with you that you have far more flexibility with indoor cats, 
keeping in mind the proviso that Margo mentioned – that circumstances happen 
and our cats get out, with or without us meaning to have that happen.

I also agree with you completely about the rabies vaccine, and I wouldn’t be at 
all surprised if they found that the immunity the animals garner, holds for a 
lot longer than three years. I think what you are describing your Tampa vet 
does, is prudent and makes a lot of sense.


Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: June-09-16 3:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>; Margo
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

Everyone has a choice in how they chose to proceed with their indoor FELV cats. 
I never said I was anti vaccine, I said I personally would not have given 
Tucker more vaccines if I had known then what I know now. He started having 
infections after he got them and our world went downhill from there, his immune 
system was already compromised and I wish I would not have added the extra 
stress to it. My choice. I said I am very concerned about the rabies vaccine 
for my tiny, older (inside and/or never out of my sight) dog since she has 
always had very bad reactions to them and now has a large lump on her side that 
will not go away, I am looking into my options, and will weigh them very 
carefully to decide what I feel comfortable with. My choice. Since we now know 
that there are several people on this list who along with their vets, might not 
choose to vaccinate their sick or elderly animals, and for obviously concerning 
reasons, I would hope you are not using the term anti-vaxxers to refer to 
myself or to them? In the event anyone is interested, I found an integrative 
vet in Tampa and it is a hike for me but she does not do vaccines all at once, 
she spaces them out, writes exemptions for pets that have had serious adverse 
reactions, or have serious illnesses where their heath could be compromised by 
vaccines, and will do the titer with one T test, for your piece of mind that 
your pet still has enough antibodies for protection, the test is not recognized 
as a replacement for the shot at least where I live, but at least it is 
something for me whether they recognize it or not. It would be nice to have her 
examine Daizy and talk with me about my options for rabies and see how she 
feels about giving them again when it is time. She also gives something called 
Lyssin 30c that she gives at th

Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-09 Thread Rachel Dagner

Everyone has a choice in how they chose to proceed with their indoor FELV
cats. I never said I was anti vaccine, I said I personally would not have
given Tucker more vaccines if I had known then what I know now. He started
having infections after he got them and our world went downhill from there,
his immune system was already compromised and I wish I would not have added
the extra stress to it. My choice. I said I am very concerned about the
rabies vaccine for my tiny, older (inside and/or never out of my sight) dog
since she has always had very bad reactions to them and now has a large
lump on her side that will not go away, I am looking into my options, and
will weigh them very carefully to decide what I feel comfortable with. My
choice. Since we now know that there are several people on this list who
along with their vets, might not choose to vaccinate their sick or elderly
animals, and for obviously concerning reasons, I would hope you are not
using the term anti-vaxxers to refer to myself or to them? In the event
anyone is interested, I found an integrative vet in Tampa and it is a hike
for me but she does not do vaccines all at once, she spaces them out,
writes exemptions for pets that have had serious adverse reactions, or have
serious illnesses where their heath could be compromised by vaccines, and
will do the titer with one T test, for your piece of mind that your pet
still has enough antibodies for protection, the test is not recognized as a
replacement for the shot at least where I live, but at least it is
something for me whether they recognize it or not. It would be nice to have
her examine Daizy and talk with me about my options for rabies and see how
she feels about giving them again when it is time. She also gives something
called Lyssin 30c that she gives at the same time as the rabies vaccine to
try to protect against the adverse side effects it can have. When I get a
new kitty I will give her the vaccines that I think she needs which will be
very few for an inside cat, and I will do it in the safest way it can
possibly be done. I will give her the 3 year rabies as required, if she
becomes ill for whatever reason and her immune system is compromised, or
she has a serious reaction, I will weigh my options carefully again. And I
will pray she is not one that develops cancer from it. And I will continue
to hope that they discover that they can stretch it beyond 3 years, and
that maybe like they discovered with the every year scenario that it wasn’t
really necessary.





*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Amani Oakley
*Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 1:13 PM
*To:* Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv



I am VERY pro-vaccine. I have a lengthy and extensive background in
Microbiology and there is a very solid scientific basis for my position.
Unfortunately, my experience is that many many people who are anti-vaccine
don’t understand how vaccines work and certainly don’t understand where we
came from and just how many animals and people died from diseases we now
have under control. The only reason that people can now get away with
avoiding vaccines, whether that is in people or in animals, is because they
are dependent on the herd immunity. You don’t need to worry too much about
getting German measles if all your neighbours are vaccinated, and you don’t
need to worry about vaccinating your dog for rabies if all the
neighbourhood dogs and cats are vaccinated.



I completely agree and echo Margo’s observations. Be careful about this.
People are deciding to forego vaccinations because they don’t see the awful
repercussions often enough to be reminded of why vaccination is one of the
most effective medical interventions in ever. If your cats are completely
indoor, and you aren’t introducing new ones in all the time, then your risk
is probably low and are probably okay to decide not to vaccinate regularly,
with the important proviso Margo intelligently pointed out that sometimes
animals get out despite our best efforts. Margo is also bang on when she
cautions about the whiney world we live in where a mother will point to a
scratch her precious child got while interacting with your cat and insist
on testing to ensure that her coddled child is not going to die from your
dirty animal. You’d better believe that in a contest between an animal’s
life and a human being who has been “harmed” by contact with the animal –
no matter how teensy weensy and inconsequential that harm may appear, or
how unlikely it is that the animal is infected – that animal will die. You
can hire the best lawyers in the country and pour as money as you’ve got
into defending your animal, but it is an entirely lost cause. There isn’t a
court in the world who will rule that the life of your cat isn’t worth the
peace of mind of the mother and child.



Many vets agree that annual vaccinations are no longer needed, especially
with indoor

Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-09 Thread Amani Oakley

 listen to anti-vaxxers! I have 
yet to meet one who had anywhere near the grasp of the body and the immune 
system as I do (and I no longer work in the health care community), and I can 
argue circles around their logic and lack of knowledge. I agree that with our 
animals, I suspect that vets in the past took annual vaccines for granted, and 
they are probably not needed annually, but don’t throw the baby out with the 
bath water.

Amani



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
Sent: June-09-16 6:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv



Sorry, I KNOW I'm sounding very PRO vaccine, but I'm not. I've just seen the 
consequences of not vaccinating. And with rabies, it isn't just that the 
critter can get sick and die from something preventable. There's still PLENTY 
of rabies in wildlife, and wildlife is closer to us that ever, especially the 
most important vectors, being skunks and raccoons. Raccoons often occupy 
attics. Skunks cn take up residence under porches.

I worked at an Animal Control facility. Just quickly, animals get out. There 
are fires, and disasters. Sometimes when an animal has to be caught, a human 
may be scratched or bitten. Quarantine isn't always an option, and if the anial 
has injured someone, and that someone requests it, the animal MUST be tested.

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From: Ardy Robertson
Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv


Yes, with the exception of Cally who is vaccinated, my cats are indoor-only 
except when I carry them outside on walks. The vet said it is possible that a 
mouse or bat could get inside, but not too likely.


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

That book I mentioned by Dr. Martin Goldstein mentions all kinds of illnesses 
that happened to animals coinciding with vaccines. Many vets believe that after 
a couple of vaccines they are protected for life, Goldstein does something 
called tittering so he can check the antibodies of his patients to know if they 
need to have another vaccine. How likely is it that our cats will get rabies? 
Slim to none and slim is out of town! Sorry about Scotchie. ☹ Horrible.

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>]
 On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

I’m not wild about rabies vaccinations either. My Butterscotch (“Scotchie”) 
died right after having a rabies vaccination!
Ardy


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Dagner
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it.  And if they can’t 
determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did he say 
about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important thing of 
all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever advised them 
against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, 
being they have a compromised immune system?

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>]
 On Behalf Of Realissa Dekraunti
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 4:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
Subject: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than FELV 
C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have. Is it 
true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets.

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-09 Thread Margo


I lived for 30 years in Broward/Palm Beach counties. I never had an EVet ask 
for proof of rabies. Nor did referral Vets. Eventually they would want a 
history, but I was never asked "up front".

Where in FL? (just general, I don't need specifics)

Margo

-Original Message-
>From: Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com>
>Sent: Jun 9, 2016 7:41 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>That is why I think it is important for a felv cat owner to try to find an 
>integrative vet. They don't believe in over vaccination and will still treat 
>your animal. Of course it could still be a problem if your cat needed 
>emergency care. Something to ask the vet if you found one. Somehow in New York 
>at Dr. Goldstein's clinic they find a way. People go there from all over the 
>world to have their pets treated for very serious illnesses. And he sends his 
>patients out to other vets who do surgeries or other procedures and he does 
>not over vaccinate. Maybe he has found like minded regular vets to work with. 
>I just wish I could have a network like that here in Florida. 
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 12:16 AM, Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote:
>> 
>> In Wisconsin, rabies vaccinations are actually required for dogs, but not
>> for cats. But a lot of vets will not treat a cat that is not rabies
>> vaccinated. Since Scotchie died from a rabies vaccination, I do not
>> vaccinate for it unless they make me. Cally had to have surgery to be
>> spayed, so she had to be vaccinated for rabies and she came through fine.
>> And Topaz was already vaccinated when I adopted her.
>> 
>> I know a very reputable dog trainer who actually runs a doggie day-care and
>> training center, and she has three dogs of her own and does not have them
>> vaccinated for rabies - I have no idea how she gets by with it, but she
>> believes rabies vaccinations are bad. She also is an advocate for feeding
>> raw meat to her animals, and no commercial dog food.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Ardy Robertson, Clerk
>> Town of Garfield - Jackson County, WI
>> N14438 Valleybrook Ln
>> Osseo  WI  54758
>> 715-533-0661
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>> Rachel Dagner
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:17 AM
>> To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>> 
>> That is very good to know, thank you for sharing. My Chihuahua is 11 and she
>> has always had a bad reaction to vaccines, the last 3 year rabies shot she
>> got about 6 months ago resulted in a bump between her hip and rib cage that
>> is still there, they said it is nothing to worry about, but I do not think I
>> will get the rabies vaccine for her again. I pray that they are right and
>> the bump is nothing and will eventually go away.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>> Lorrie
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 8:38 AM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>> 
>>>   Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>>>   cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>>>   compromised immune system?
>> -
>> 
>> My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my old
>> cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some positive cats
>> can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
>> -
>> 
>> It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
>> Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are not
>> fully developed.
>> 
>> 
>> Lorrie
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-09 Thread Rachel Dagner

That is why I think it is important for a felv cat owner to try to find an 
integrative vet. They don't believe in over vaccination and will still treat 
your animal. Of course it could still be a problem if your cat needed emergency 
care. Something to ask the vet if you found one. Somehow in New York at Dr. 
Goldstein's clinic they find a way. People go there from all over the world to 
have their pets treated for very serious illnesses. And he sends his patients 
out to other vets who do surgeries or other procedures and he does not over 
vaccinate. Maybe he has found like minded regular vets to work with. I just 
wish I could have a network like that here in Florida. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2016, at 12:16 AM, Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote:
> 
> In Wisconsin, rabies vaccinations are actually required for dogs, but not
> for cats. But a lot of vets will not treat a cat that is not rabies
> vaccinated. Since Scotchie died from a rabies vaccination, I do not
> vaccinate for it unless they make me. Cally had to have surgery to be
> spayed, so she had to be vaccinated for rabies and she came through fine.
> And Topaz was already vaccinated when I adopted her.
> 
> I know a very reputable dog trainer who actually runs a doggie day-care and
> training center, and she has three dogs of her own and does not have them
> vaccinated for rabies - I have no idea how she gets by with it, but she
> believes rabies vaccinations are bad. She also is an advocate for feeding
> raw meat to her animals, and no commercial dog food.
> 
> Thank you,
> Ardy Robertson, Clerk
> Town of Garfield - Jackson County, WI
> N14438 Valleybrook Ln
> Osseo  WI  54758
> 715-533-0661
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:17 AM
> To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
> 
> That is very good to know, thank you for sharing. My Chihuahua is 11 and she
> has always had a bad reaction to vaccines, the last 3 year rabies shot she
> got about 6 months ago resulted in a bump between her hip and rib cage that
> is still there, they said it is nothing to worry about, but I do not think I
> will get the rabies vaccine for her again. I pray that they are right and
> the bump is nothing and will eventually go away.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
> Lorrie
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 8:38 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
> 
>>   Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>>   cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>>   compromised immune system?
> -
> 
> My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my old
> cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some positive cats
> can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
> -
> 
> It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
> Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are not
> fully developed.
> 
> 
> Lorrie
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-09 Thread Rachel Dagner

Probably because the felv vaccine and rabies vaccine are the ones that cause 
injection site sarcoma. So if your cat is not likely to get felv its not worth 
the risk. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2016, at 6:12 AM, Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Did the Pet Store Manager say why s/he did not approve?
> 
> Margo
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>
>> Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:01 AM
>> To: felineres...@frontier.com, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>> 
>> My vet never said that exactly, but the pet store manager told me the FeLV
>> vaccine is not a good idea.
>> 
>> Ardy
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>> Lorrie
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:38 AM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>> 
>>>   Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>>>   cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>>>   compromised immune system?
>> -
>> 
>> My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my old
>> cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some positive cats
>> can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
>> -
>> 
>> It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
>> Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are not
>> fully developed.  
>> 
>> 
>> Lorrie
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-09 Thread Margo

Sorry, I KNOW I'm sounding very PRO vaccine, but I'm not. I've just seen the consequences of not vaccinating. And with rabies, it isn't just that the critter can get sick and die from something preventable. There's still PLENTY of rabies in wildlife, and wildlife is closer to us that ever, especially the most important vectors, being skunks and raccoons. Raccoons often occupy attics. Skunks cn take up residence under porches.I worked at an Animal Control facility. Just quickly, animals get out. There are fires, and disasters. Sometimes when an animal has to be caught, a human may be scratched or bitten. Quarantine isn't always an option, and if the anial has injured someone, and that someone requests it, the animal MUST be tested.-Original Message-
From: Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>
Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

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<zzz![endif]-->Yes, with the exception of Cally who is vaccinated, my cats are indoor-only except when I carry them outside on walks. The vet said it is possible that a mouse or bat could get inside, but not too likely.  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel DagnerSent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:42 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv That book I mentioned by Dr. Martin Goldstein mentions all kinds of illnesses that happened to animals coinciding with vaccines. Many vets believe that after a couple of vaccines they are protected for life, Goldstein does something called tittering so he can check the antibodies of his patients to know if they need to have another vaccine. How likely is it that our cats will get rabies? Slim to none and slim is out of town! Sorry about Scotchie. L Horrible.  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy RobertsonSent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:43 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv I’m not wild about rabies vaccinations either. My Butterscotch (“Scotchie”) died right after having a rabies vaccination!Ardy  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel DagnerSent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:33 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it.  And if they can’t determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did he say about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important thing of all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a compromised immune system?  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Realissa DekrauntiSent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 4:02 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than FELV C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have. Is it true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets.  Thanks a lot 

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-09 Thread Margo


I have fed raw, but don't currently.

If the trainer's dogs have contact with clients or other dogs, s/he should be 
careful. That's the kind of high profile that can bring trouble. It only takes 
one person telling the "wrong" person that she doesn't vaccinate, and she could 
be in deep doo-doo. 

It is possible in some states to get a "waiver" allowing a cat to not be 
vaccinated for health reasons, but the cat/dog is treated as unvaccinated and 
subjected to the same conditions as an unvaccinated animal.

It's a choice, but needs to be made with care. 

Margo

-Original Message-
>From: Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>
>Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:16 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>In Wisconsin, rabies vaccinations are actually required for dogs, but not
>for cats. But a lot of vets will not treat a cat that is not rabies
>vaccinated. Since Scotchie died from a rabies vaccination, I do not
>vaccinate for it unless they make me. Cally had to have surgery to be
>spayed, so she had to be vaccinated for rabies and she came through fine.
>And Topaz was already vaccinated when I adopted her.
>
>I know a very reputable dog trainer who actually runs a doggie day-care and
>training center, and she has three dogs of her own and does not have them
>vaccinated for rabies - I have no idea how she gets by with it, but she
>believes rabies vaccinations are bad. She also is an advocate for feeding
>raw meat to her animals, and no commercial dog food.
>
>Thank you,
>Ardy Robertson, Clerk
>Town of Garfield - Jackson County, WI
>N14438 Valleybrook Ln
>Osseo  WI  54758
>715-533-0661
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>Rachel Dagner
>Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:17 AM
>To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>That is very good to know, thank you for sharing. My Chihuahua is 11 and she
>has always had a bad reaction to vaccines, the last 3 year rabies shot she
>got about 6 months ago resulted in a bump between her hip and rib cage that
>is still there, they said it is nothing to worry about, but I do not think I
>will get the rabies vaccine for her again. I pray that they are right and
>the bump is nothing and will eventually go away.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>Lorrie
>Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 8:38 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>>Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>>cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>>compromised immune system?
>-
>
>My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my old
>cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some positive cats
>can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
>-
>
>It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
>Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are not
>fully developed.
>
>
>Lorrie
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-09 Thread Margo


Did the Pet Store Manager say why s/he did not approve?

Margo

-Original Message-
>From: Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net>
>Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:01 AM
>To: felineres...@frontier.com, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>My vet never said that exactly, but the pet store manager told me the FeLV
>vaccine is not a good idea.
>
>Ardy
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>Lorrie
>Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:38 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
>
>>Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>>cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>>compromised immune system?
>-
> 
>My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my old
>cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some positive cats
>can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
>-
>
>It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
>Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are not
>fully developed.  
>
>
>Lorrie
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-09 Thread Amani Oakley

Ardy - I do think that what Tigger had was similar to Zander's but I am 
wondering if maybe the blasts we saw and some of the unusual aspects may be the 
result of another strain. But my guess is that we should have started sooner 
and at a higher dose of Winstrol, rather than the answer being another strain. 
With Zander, he had gotten blood transfusions which probably buoyed his 
haematology results and allowed the Winstrol more time to pull up his red 
cells, etc. 

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
Robertson
Sent: June-08-16 11:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

Amani - would you agree that Tigger's was the same type that Zander had also 
then? And I feel that the Winstrol was working for Tigger's bone marrow also
- it just did not have enough time, in other words if I had gotten the Winstrol 
into him a few months earlier, we likely would have seen more long term 
improvement.

Ardy

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 12:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

That's interesting information. That also means that what my little Zander had 
would have been the FeLV C form because his bone marrow was completely shut 
down AND the Winstrol regimen worked on what, according to the vet, is the most 
lethal form.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Realissa Dekraunti
Sent: June-08-16 1:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

To answer your question, he said that the full blown symptoms determine the 
type of Felv. Meaning that bone murrow consumption is a typical sign of Felv C. 
The strains were identified in Vitro BUT there is no way to differentiate them 
through a test. I don't know what to say. I don't trust vets because they don't 
care enough.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 07 giu 2016, at 13:01, Realissa Dekraunti 
> <realissadekrau...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> 
> I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal 
> than
FELV C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have.
Is it true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets. 
> 
> Thanks a lot

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-08 Thread Ardy Robertson

Yes, with the exception of Cally who is vaccinated, my cats are indoor-only 
except when I carry them outside on walks. The vet said it is possible that a 
mouse or bat could get inside, but not too likely.

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 9:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

That book I mentioned by Dr. Martin Goldstein mentions all kinds of illnesses 
that happened to animals coinciding with vaccines. Many vets believe that after 
a couple of vaccines they are protected for life, Goldstein does something 
called tittering so he can check the antibodies of his patients to know if they 
need to have another vaccine. How likely is it that our cats will get rabies? 
Slim to none and slim is out of town! Sorry about Scotchie. :( Horrible. 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:43 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I’m not wild about rabies vaccinations either. My Butterscotch (“Scotchie”) 
died right after having a rabies vaccination!

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it.  And if they can’t 
determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did he say 
about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important thing of 
all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever advised them 
against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, 
being they have a compromised immune system? 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Realissa Dekraunti
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 4:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than FELV 
C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have. Is it 
true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets. 

 

Thanks a lot 

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-08 Thread Ardy Robertson

In Wisconsin, rabies vaccinations are actually required for dogs, but not
for cats. But a lot of vets will not treat a cat that is not rabies
vaccinated. Since Scotchie died from a rabies vaccination, I do not
vaccinate for it unless they make me. Cally had to have surgery to be
spayed, so she had to be vaccinated for rabies and she came through fine.
And Topaz was already vaccinated when I adopted her.

I know a very reputable dog trainer who actually runs a doggie day-care and
training center, and she has three dogs of her own and does not have them
vaccinated for rabies - I have no idea how she gets by with it, but she
believes rabies vaccinations are bad. She also is an advocate for feeding
raw meat to her animals, and no commercial dog food.

Thank you,
Ardy Robertson, Clerk
Town of Garfield - Jackson County, WI
N14438 Valleybrook Ln
Osseo  WI  54758
715-533-0661


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To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

That is very good to know, thank you for sharing. My Chihuahua is 11 and she
has always had a bad reaction to vaccines, the last 3 year rabies shot she
got about 6 months ago resulted in a bump between her hip and rib cage that
is still there, they said it is nothing to worry about, but I do not think I
will get the rabies vaccine for her again. I pray that they are right and
the bump is nothing and will eventually go away.

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Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 8:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

>Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>compromised immune system?
-

My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my old
cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some positive cats
can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
-

It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are not
fully developed.


Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-08 Thread Ardy Robertson

My vet never said that exactly, but the pet store manager told me the FeLV
vaccine is not a good idea.

Ardy

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Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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>Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>compromised immune system?
-

My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my old
cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some positive cats
can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
-

It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are not
fully developed.  

Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-08 Thread Ardy Robertson

Amani - would you agree that Tigger's was the same type that Zander had also
then? And I feel that the Winstrol was working for Tigger's bone marrow also
- it just did not have enough time, in other words if I had gotten the
Winstrol into him a few months earlier, we likely would have seen more long
term improvement.

Ardy

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Amani Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 12:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

That's interesting information. That also means that what my little Zander
had would have been the FeLV C form because his bone marrow was completely
shut down AND the Winstrol regimen worked on what, according to the vet, is
the most lethal form.

Amani

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To answer your question, he said that the full blown symptoms determine the
type of Felv. Meaning that bone murrow consumption is a typical sign of Felv
C. The strains were identified in Vitro BUT there is no way to differentiate
them through a test. I don't know what to say. I don't trust vets because
they don't care enough.



Sent from my iPhone

> On 07 giu 2016, at 13:01, Realissa Dekraunti <realissadekrau...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> 
> I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than
FELV C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have.
Is it true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets. 
> 
> Thanks a lot 

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-08 Thread Rachel Dagner

I agree completely, laws can cause some problems in my reasoning on this
subject, I think I know what I would choose for an inside FELV kitty
though, and it seems as if at least Lorrie’s vet agrees as he will not do
them on her FELV cats for a reason. And it seems as if a vet agreed that an
animal’s immune system was compromised and couldn’t handle more
vaccinations, without serious complications or death, that that should come
into play in the stupid laws we have. Sorry, but I am upset about my dogs
reactions, and do not want to put her through more rabies vaccines, she has
had it 8 times, enough is enough. Tucker started having horrible UTIs after
his vaccines, not one problem before that, coincidence? Maybe. And I read
they give my 5lb Chihuahua the same amount of vaccine they give a St
Bernard? Something seems wrong there! It might have already caused her
irreversible harm. My nephew was bit by a dog in Texas and they didn’t have
rabies shots, the dog was quarantined and then sent home. I am surprised
they still do testing the other way if you can quarantine an animal?
Anyways for anyone with a FELV cat who doesn’t want to skip rabies I agree
the others should be skipped or at least closely looked at for the need for
them for an inside cat, and I think this should be suggested by this group
as people come here for help, it could be the difference between life and
death for their cat, getting a ton of vaccines could be just the ticket to
sending the functioning system into FELV hell. And if they get the rabies
vaccine because they are scared not to because of laws or the chance of a
scratch or bite from their cat, who without a doubt does not have rabies, I
would say focus extra hard on pumping up the immune system at least a few
weeks before and a few weeks after, to give them the best chance, and then
pray. I hope someday they go from the 3 year shot to the 5 year shot or
better yet to one or two shots in the animals entire life. After all do we
get the vaccines we received as children year after year after year for the
same exact things, and if we did would we get them all in one fell swoop in
one office visit? No. Rabies is such a extremely rare thing these days, and
has been for a very long time, it is sad we are forced into killing our
animal family members with this overused vaccine. There has to be a better
way. The number of cats I heard of having injection site sarcoma or however
the heck you spell it on cancer sites is sad beyond belief, it is
unnecessarily taken animals lives and caused suffering for not only them
but for their humans as well. Ok rant over. Sorry but it really upsets me.
Amani can we please file a lawsuit against someone? I think what we have
here is a case of wrongful death to so many animals we couldn’t even count
them.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Margo
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 08, 2016 2:52 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv





"Titer" with one "t". An option in some cases, but by no means a guarantee.
I seldom vaccinate against anything but Rabies past the first booster, but
skipping Rabies can become problematic, since it is (generally) legally
mandated.  Which means that a pet with no proof of vaccination can be
subject to seizure, quarantine and sometimes forced testing. Testing for
rabies is done using the head/brain of an animal. Check your local laws
before deciding. There are many situations where a cat can be accused of
exposing someone to rabies, and even a scratch to a visitor, neighbor or
passerby can bring Rabies laws into play.

I do use the Purevax three year rabies, which is recognized in my State.

>From this article;

http://www.catster.com/lifestyle/antibody-titers-cat-vaccinations-cats-vaccines-ask-a-vet

"Sadly, at this time titers also appear to be of little use in determining
whether cats require other vaccines, such as those against rabies,
coronavirus (FIP), or feline leukemia virus. This is partly because titers
for these diseases are not readily available in a commercial setting, and
partly because less is understood about whether titers offer an accurate
approximation of immunity for these diseases. Bear in mind that rabies
vaccines in cats are often mandated by law, and that most jurisdictions
will not consider titers in lieu of vaccination."

Margo

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Sent: Jun 8, 2016 10:41 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv


That book I mentioned by Dr. Martin Goldstein mentions all kinds of
illnesses that happened to animals coinciding with vaccines. Many vets
believe that after a couple of vaccines they are protected for life,
Goldstein does something called tittering so he can check the antibodies of
his patients to know if they need to have another vaccine. How likely is it
that our cats will get rabies? Slim to none and

Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-08 Thread Margo

"Titer" with one "t". An option in some cases, but by no means a guarantee. I seldom vaccinate against anything but Rabies past the first booster, but skipping Rabies can become problematic, since it is (generally) legally mandated.  Which means that a pet with no proof of vaccination can be subject to seizure, quarantine and sometimes forced testing. Testing for rabies is done using the head/brain of an animal. Check your local laws before deciding. There are many situations where a cat can be accused of exposing someone to rabies, and even a scratch to a visitor, neighbor or passerby can bring Rabies laws into play. I do use the Purevax three year rabies, which is recognized in my State.From this article;http://www.catster.com/lifestyle/antibody-titers-cat-vaccinations-cats-vaccines-ask-a-vet"Sadly, at this time titers also appear to be of little use in 
determining whether cats require other vaccines, such as those against 
rabies, coronavirus (FIP), or feline leukemia virus. This is partly 
because titers for these diseases are not readily available in a 
commercial setting, and partly because less is understood about whether 
titers offer an accurate approximation of immunity for these diseases. 
Bear in mind that rabies vaccines in cats are often mandated by law, and
 that most jurisdictions will not consider titers in lieu of 
vaccination."Margo-Original Message-
From: Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com>
Sent: Jun 8, 2016 10:41 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

That book I mentioned by Dr. Martin Goldstein mentions all kinds of illnesses that happened to animals coinciding with vaccines. Many vets believe that after a couple of vaccines they are protected for life, Goldstein does something called tittering so he can check the antibodies of his patients to know if they need to have another vaccine. How likely is it that our cats will get rabies? Slim to none and slim is out of town! Sorry about Scotchie. L Horrible.  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy RobertsonSent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:43 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv I’m not wild about rabies vaccinations either. My Butterscotch (“Scotchie”) died right after having a rabies vaccination!Ardy  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel DagnerSent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:33 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it.  And if they can’t determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did he say about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important thing of all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a compromised immune system?  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Realissa DekrauntiSent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 4:02 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than FELV C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have. Is it true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets.  Thanks a lot 


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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-08 Thread dlgegg

Sounds like you have a good one, stick with him/her.

 Lorrie  wrote: 
> >Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
> >cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
> >compromised immune system?
> -
>  
> My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my
> old cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some 
> positive cats can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
> -
> 
> It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with
> every cat. Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune
> systems are not fully developed.  
> 
> 
> Lorrie
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-08 Thread dlgegg

My cats have not had vaccines for at least 5 years and they are healthy.  They 
do not come into contact with others animals.  When the coons coe around, they 
come to the door to be let in.  Have more sense than some humans.  We also do 
not do flea meds since Shorty ahd a severe reaction to them.  
Something I heard the other day, Posssms eat ticks and fleas so let them come 
around to keep cats and dogs free of these pests.  Anyone else heard that?

 Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: 
> I’m not wild about rabies vaccinations either. My Butterscotch (“Scotchie”) 
> died right after having a rabies vaccination!
> 
> Ardy
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:33 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
> 
>  
> 
> I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it.  And if they 
> can’t determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did 
> he say about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important 
> thing of all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever advised 
> them against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them 
> out, being they have a compromised immune system? 
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> <mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Realissa Dekraunti
> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 4:02 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
> 
>  
> 
> I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than 
> FELV C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have. Is 
> it true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets. 
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks a lot 
> 


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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-08 Thread dlgegg

That sounds like the time I asked the Dr. about my mother's wegeners disease.  
He said it is ideopathic.  That means they do not know what is going on any 
more than you do.

 Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com> wrote: 
> I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it.  And if they
> can’t determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did
> he say about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important
> thing of all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever
> advised them against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or
> spacing them out, being they have a compromised immune system?
> 
> 
> 
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
> *Realissa Dekraunti
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 4:02 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] different types of Felv
> 
> 
> 
> I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than
> FELV C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have.
> Is it true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks a lot


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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-08 Thread Rachel Dagner

That book I mentioned by Dr. Martin Goldstein mentions all kinds of
illnesses that happened to animals coinciding with vaccines. Many vets
believe that after a couple of vaccines they are protected for life,
Goldstein does something called tittering so he can check the antibodies of
his patients to know if they need to have another vaccine. How likely is it
that our cats will get rabies? Slim to none and slim is out of town! Sorry
about Scotchie. L Horrible.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Ardy Robertson
*Sent:* Wednesday, June 08, 2016 1:43 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv



I’m not wild about rabies vaccinations either. My Butterscotch (“Scotchie”)
died right after having a rabies vaccination!

Ardy





*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
<felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] *On Behalf Of *Rachel Dagner
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:33 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv



I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it.  And if they
can’t determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did
he say about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important
thing of all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever
advised them against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or
spacing them out, being they have a compromised immune system?



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Realissa Dekraunti
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2016 4:02 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] different types of Felv



I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than
FELV C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have.
Is it true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets.



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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-08 Thread Rachel Dagner

That is very good to know, thank you for sharing. My Chihuahua is 11 and
she has always had a bad reaction to vaccines, the last 3 year rabies shot
she got about 6 months ago resulted in a bump between her hip and rib cage
that is still there, they said it is nothing to worry about, but I do not
think I will get the rabies vaccine for her again. I pray that they are
right and the bump is nothing and will eventually go away.

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 8:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

>Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>compromised immune system?
-

My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my old
cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some positive
cats can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
-

It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every
cat. Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are
not fully developed.


Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-08 Thread Lorrie

>Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
>cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
>compromised immune system?
-
 
My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my
old cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some 
positive cats can live long lives in spite of having the virus.
-

It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with
every cat. Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune
systems are not fully developed.  


Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-07 Thread Amani Oakley

That's interesting information. That also means that what my little Zander had 
would have been the FeLV C form because his bone marrow was completely shut 
down AND the Winstrol regimen worked on what, according to the vet, is the most 
lethal form.

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Realissa Dekraunti
Sent: June-08-16 1:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

To answer your question, he said that the full blown symptoms determine the 
type of Felv. Meaning that bone murrow consumption is a typical sign of Felv C. 
The strains were identified in Vitro BUT there is no way to differentiate them 
through a test. I don't know what to say. I don't trust vets because they don't 
care enough.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 07 giu 2016, at 13:01, Realissa Dekraunti <realissadekrau...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than 
> FELV C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have. Is 
> it true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets. 
> 
> Thanks a lot 

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-07 Thread Ardy Robertson

I’m not wild about rabies vaccinations either. My Butterscotch (“Scotchie”) 
died right after having a rabies vaccination!

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it.  And if they can’t 
determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did he say 
about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important thing of 
all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever advised them 
against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, 
being they have a compromised immune system? 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Realissa Dekraunti
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 4:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> 
Subject: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than FELV 
C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have. Is it 
true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets. 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-07 Thread Realissa Dekraunti

To answer your question, he said that the full blown symptoms determine the 
type of Felv. Meaning that bone murrow consumption is a typical sign of Felv C. 
The strains were identified in Vitro BUT there is no way to differentiate them 
through a test. I don't know what to say. I don't trust vets because they don't 
care enough.

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> On 07 giu 2016, at 13:01, Realissa Dekraunti  
> wrote:
> 
> I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than 
> FELV C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have. Is 
> it true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets. 
> 
> Thanks a lot 

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-07 Thread Ardy Robertson

I did not know there was more than one kind of FeLV……. I truly wish they would 
work on finding a cure.

 

Ardy

 

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Realissa Dekraunti
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 3:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

 

I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than FELV 
C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have. Is it 
true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets. 

 

Thanks a lot 

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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-07 Thread Amani Oakley

This is what I learned recently as well – there are four viral subtypes of the 
FeLV virus and there is no way to differentiate between them as far as the 
current tests available to vets. I mentioned this on the forum because I think 
this may well explain why we sometimes have very differing experiences with the 
medications/treatments we try. For example, with my little boy Zander, his 
blood results showed not one even tiny iota of a response to either LTCI or 
interferon, but others on this forum have had a good response with one or the 
other of these treatments. If we are dealing with different strains of the 
virus, this may well explain the different responses to different treatments.

However, I tend to agree with Rachel’s observation that if they cannot 
currently type which form of virus our cats have, I am not sure how they could 
tell which is worse. There is probably a basis for this in the research labs, 
where they may be able to genetically type the viral subtypes, but this may not 
have been made into a commercially available test yet.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Realissa Dekraunti
Sent: June-07-16 4:02 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than FELV 
C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have. Is it 
true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets.

Thanks a lot
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-07 Thread Rachel Dagner

I have never heard of that, and I have read a lot about it.  And if they
can’t determine the difference how do they know one is more fatal? What did
he say about keeping them healthy? I still think that is the most important
thing of all, stop problems before they start. Has anyone’s vet ever
advised them against vaccines for a FELV cat, or minimal vaccines, or
spacing them out, being they have a compromised immune system?



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I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than
FELV C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have.
Is it true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets.



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[Felvtalk] different types of Felv

2016-06-07 Thread Realissa Dekraunti

I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than
FELV C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have.
Is it true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets.

Thanks a lot
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