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[Jennifer Olson]

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[Jennifer Olson]

Praying for Krammie & you.
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[dlgegg]

The doctor said she felt the one kidney was enlarged and firm.  She got so 
stressed from the bloodwork that she was given oxygen for 5 minutes.  They also 
gave her fluids and I brought a bag home to give her more every 3 days.  By the 
time I got home, she had perked up and ate a small can of food.  She seemed 
normal until the moment of death when she howled in pain and collapsed in my 
lap.  Apparently the kidney problem had been going on longer than we knew and 
of coure, she did not act diffrent until the day she stopped eating and that is 
the day I took her to the vet.  She had been loosing weight over the last year 
and we started her on kitten food to increase weight.  I am afraid I missed 
something.  The next time there is any weight loss, we will do a full workup 
and a more detailed blood work.  And check the kidneys.  With th beginning of 
seeing Annie, the vet began to do research on FELV and has learned that any 
abnormality in kidney size, shape and firmness and blood results is a sure sign 
of FELV at work.  She said any thing that says kidney malfunction will be a 
sign that we concentrate on testing to find out what is going on.  She had 
ordered the Doxy and is willing to do Winstrol and has a pharamist nearby who 
will compound anything we need.  That is one step in the right direction.
Annie died at 8:00 pm the night we went to the vet but at least she was at 
home, in my lap and had a few hours of feeling better.

 ROBERT CHAPEL <bcha...@optonline.net> wrote: 
> I'm a little confused at this point there are many condolence notes 
here but thte last that I read Annie wasn't doing well but her blood 
work did not suggest that she was likely to pass in the next few days..
Has there been any change??   If she did die I am of course VERY sorry.. 
but I am hoping not...
Please let us know...

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I'm a little confused at this point there are many condolence notes 
here but thte last that I read Annie wasn't doing well but her blood 
work did not suggest that she was likely to pass in the next few days..
Has there been any change??   If she did die I am of course VERY sorry.. 
but I am hoping not...

Please let us know...

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[Rachel Dagner]

You could add an immunosupportive supplement to his food. There are so many
out there and I am not an expert on any of them unfortunately, and it
doesn’t sound like your vet is either. You could try calling or e-mailing
an integrative vet to see what brands they think are best, if you wanted to
add this. It may or may not make a difference in the outcome, who knows,
but it wouldn’t hurt and I would do it if I had it to do over again, the
only reason I didn’t is because I was scared to death of any mineral or
ingredient that might cause the slightest uti or crystals in Tucker, who
another unremovable blockage would have meant death for, I gave him
prescription cat food and distilled water and nothing else, until the
cancer when it was too late for it to do much good. I also think you should
have him tested, you are going to worry yourself either way, and what if
there isn’t anything to worry about? I had a girlfriend worry her whole
life about breast cancer because her mom and grandma died in their early
forties from it. Finally when she turned 41 she came up with the courage to
get a mammogram and the genetic testing, and guess what? No cancer no gene.
She was too scared to look into it sooner so she could possibly catch it
early or to take preventative measures, she is very lucky it turned out
like it did.



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*Mary Muzyka
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Thanks for all your comments.  My invoice from the vet indicates that they
tested her for FIV FHWT (570), viral infection/head worm disease & for GI
parasites, analyses full & internal organ health.  They did prescribe
Onsior 6mg - 3 tablets, which I gave her half a tablet every couple of days
to stimulate her appetite.  When I returned for the second visit, they gave
her mirtazapine 15 mg, fluids, subcutaneous - 300mls, cerenia injection
(10mg/ml), famotidine injection and Loxicom (Meloxicam) injectable.  I
don't see the sense in testing Dolce since when Fiona was tested, she
tested negative.  He is an indoor cat who is well fed so I don't know what
more I can do for his immune system other than keeping everything clean -
food bowls & litter box.



On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Mary Muzyka <mary.muz...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,



I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative.
I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia.  She was
gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and healthy girl to
barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first noticed that she
wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that matter.  I took her to
the vet and they did blood work and called me within an hour of leaving
their office telling me she tested positive.  They then sent her blood out
for other various tests and the results were all good for her not having
any other problems.  Each day she got a little less active and then stopped
eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed and give her water for a
couple days and then took her back to the vet.  She injected fluids under
her skin and when I got home, she began eating and drinking immediately.
They also gave me a couple pills to give her to stimulate her appetite -
they only worked once.  She was shutting down and looked so sad.  The
morning she could barely walk and was shaking told me it was time to put
her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the streets and when I
had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & leukemia and she was
negative.  She has been living with my four year old boy, Dolce, for
two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet tells me there is a
99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect health right
now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him because she is
certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from the posts here,
there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to run and play
together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add that since
I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been reading,
no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think she had
something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience over
the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.



Mary Muzyka


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[Mary Muzyka]

Thanks for all your comments.  My invoice from the vet indicates that they
tested her for FIV FHWT (570), viral infection/head worm disease & for GI
parasites, analyses full & internal organ health.  They did prescribe
Onsior 6mg - 3 tablets, which I gave her half a tablet every couple of days
to stimulate her appetite.  When I returned for the second visit, they gave
her mirtazapine 15 mg, fluids, subcutaneous - 300mls, cerenia injection
(10mg/ml), famotidine injection and Loxicom (Meloxicam) injectable.  I
don't see the sense in testing Dolce since when Fiona was tested, she
tested negative.  He is an indoor cat who is well fed so I don't know what
more I can do for his immune system other than keeping everything clean -
food bowls & litter box.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Mary Muzyka  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very
> informative.  I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline
> leukemia.  She was gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and
> healthy girl to barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first
> noticed that she wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that
> matter.  I took her to the vet and they did blood work and called me within
> an hour of leaving their office telling me she tested positive.  They then
> sent her blood out for other various tests and the results were all good
> for her not having any other problems.  Each day she got a little less
> active and then stopped eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed
> and give her water for a couple days and then took her back to the vet.
> She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she began eating
> and drinking immediately.  They also gave me a couple pills to give her
> to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once.  She was shutting down
> and looked so sad.  The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told
> me it was time to put her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the
> streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV &
> leukemia and she was negative.  She has been living with my four year old
> boy, Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet
> tells me there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect
> health right now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him
> because she is certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from
> the posts here, there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to
> run and play together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add
> that since I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been
> reading, no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think
> she had something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience
> over the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.
>
> Mary Muzyka
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[Kelley S]

Yes, but anemia is a condition  It isn't necessarily caused by FELV.  I've
had cats with anemia who didn't have FELV, and if her kitty had FELV the
bloodwork would not have come back right, unless her kitty wasn't tested
for anemia, but anemia is one of the things all my vets have always checked
on with bloodwork.   I guess anemia isn't an infection, and neither is
cancer, so I completely misstated that, but I still believe cats don't die
OF FELV, they die of something else.  As for the other kitty being pos, I
just remembered that even cats who have tested pos and been housed with
other pos cats can turn neg, it happens every once in a while.  So
definitely not good to assume the other kitty is pos.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
wrote:

> Kelley
>
>
>
> I don’t think that is necessarily accurate. When FeLV acts to shut down
> the bone marrow, the cats usually die from severe anemia and/or internal
> bleeding (very low platelets) etc. While I agree that the depression of
> white cell production may allow for the introduction of opportunistic
> infections, I don’t think that is necessarily the cause of death. With my
> Zander, he wasn’t suffering from anything other than a profound lack of red
> cells that meant that (a) his blood couldn’t circulate oxygen properly; (b)
> he felt horrible and wouldn’t eat; (c) he was extremely fatigued by the
> profound anemia.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Kelley S
> *Sent:* June-09-16 5:01 PM
> *To:* felvtalk
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
>
>
>
> I'd look into a different vet, for starters.  Cats don't die of FELV, they
> die of opportunistic infections due to compromised immune systems.  If the
> blood tests were good, what specifically was being treated?  Chances are
> very good Dolce does NOT have FELV.  Many people here mix positive and
> negative, as do I with my vet's approval, although my negative cats are
> vaccinated against FELV.  I think it is just nutty to say not to even test
> him.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Mary Muzyka <mary.muz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very
> informative.  I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline
> leukemia.  She was gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and
> healthy girl to barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first
> noticed that she wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that
> matter.  I took her to the vet and they did blood work and called me within
> an hour of leaving their office telling me she tested positive.  They then
> sent her blood out for other various tests and the results were all good
> for her not having any other problems.  Each day she got a little less
> active and then stopped eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed
> and give her water for a couple days and then took her back to the vet.
> She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she began eating
> and drinking immediately.  They also gave me a couple pills to give her
> to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once.  She was shutting down
> and looked so sad.  The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told
> me it was time to put her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the
> streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV &
> leukemia and she was negative.  She has been living with my four year old
> boy, Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet
> tells me there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect
> health right now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him
> because she is certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from
> the posts here, there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to
> run and play together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add
> that since I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been
> reading, no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think
> she had something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience
> over the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.
>
>
>
> Mary Muzyka
>
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[Amani Oakley]

Kelley

I don’t think that is necessarily accurate. When FeLV acts to shut down the 
bone marrow, the cats usually die from severe anemia and/or internal bleeding 
(very low platelets) etc. While I agree that the depression of white cell 
production may allow for the introduction of opportunistic infections, I don’t 
think that is necessarily the cause of death. With my Zander, he wasn’t 
suffering from anything other than a profound lack of red cells that meant that 
(a) his blood couldn’t circulate oxygen properly; (b) he felt horrible and 
wouldn’t eat; (c) he was extremely fatigued by the profound anemia.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley 
S
Sent: June-09-16 5:01 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

I'd look into a different vet, for starters.  Cats don't die of FELV, they die 
of opportunistic infections due to compromised immune systems.  If the blood 
tests were good, what specifically was being treated?  Chances are very good 
Dolce does NOT have FELV.  Many people here mix positive and negative, as do I 
with my vet's approval, although my negative cats are vaccinated against FELV.  
I think it is just nutty to say not to even test him.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Mary Muzyka 
<mary.muz...@gmail.com<mailto:mary.muz...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello,

I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative.  I 
recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia.  She was gone 
within two weeks.  She went from a very active and healthy girl to barely 
walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first noticed that she wasn't 
jumping on my bed or anything else for that matter.  I took her to the vet and 
they did blood work and called me within an hour of leaving their office 
telling me she tested positive.  They then sent her blood out for other various 
tests and the results were all good for her not having any other problems.  
Each day she got a little less active and then stopped eating and drinking.  I 
used a syringe to feed and give her water for a couple days and then took her 
back to the vet.  She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she 
began eating and drinking immediately.  They also gave me a couple pills to 
give her to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once.  She was shutting 
down and looked so sad.  The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told 
me it was time to put her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the 
streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & 
leukemia and she was negative.  She has been living with my four year old boy, 
Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet tells me 
there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect health right 
now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him because she is 
certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from the posts here, 
there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to run and play 
together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add that since I 
rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been reading, no one 
has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think she had something 
else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience over the years.  I'd 
be interested in your thoughts.

Mary Muzyka

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[Kelley S]

I think it is pretty odd to have good bloodwork if they have lymphoma.  I
had a kitty with lymphoma and he had non regenerative anemia and some other
abnormalities but you are right, it isn't necessarily something that would
show up on bloodwork.  The statement that she is 99% sure the other kitty
has it and not to even test is still way out of whack in my opinion.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:04 PM, Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com> wrote:

> Tucker’s blood work showed nothing and he had cancer. So if it was
> Lymphoma that might not have shown anything out of the ordinary on the
> blood work.
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Kelley S
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 5:01 PM
> *To:* felvtalk
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
>
>
>
> I'd look into a different vet, for starters.  Cats don't die of FELV, they
> die of opportunistic infections due to compromised immune systems.  If the
> blood tests were good, what specifically was being treated?  Chances are
> very good Dolce does NOT have FELV.  Many people here mix positive and
> negative, as do I with my vet's approval, although my negative cats are
> vaccinated against FELV.  I think it is just nutty to say not to even test
> him.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Mary Muzyka <mary.muz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very
> informative.  I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline
> leukemia.  She was gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and
> healthy girl to barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first
> noticed that she wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that
> matter.  I took her to the vet and they did blood work and called me within
> an hour of leaving their office telling me she tested positive.  They then
> sent her blood out for other various tests and the results were all good
> for her not having any other problems.  Each day she got a little less
> active and then stopped eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed
> and give her water for a couple days and then took her back to the vet.
> She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she began eating
> and drinking immediately.  They also gave me a couple pills to give her
> to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once.  She was shutting down
> and looked so sad.  The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told
> me it was time to put her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the
> streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV &
> leukemia and she was negative.  She has been living with my four year old
> boy, Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet
> tells me there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect
> health right now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him
> because she is certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from
> the posts here, there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to
> run and play together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add
> that since I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been
> reading, no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think
> she had something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience
> over the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.
>
>
>
> Mary Muzyka
>
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[Rachel Dagner]

Tucker’s blood work showed nothing and he had cancer. So if it was Lymphoma
that might not have shown anything out of the ordinary on the blood work.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Kelley S
*Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 5:01 PM
*To:* felvtalk
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)



I'd look into a different vet, for starters.  Cats don't die of FELV, they
die of opportunistic infections due to compromised immune systems.  If the
blood tests were good, what specifically was being treated?  Chances are
very good Dolce does NOT have FELV.  Many people here mix positive and
negative, as do I with my vet's approval, although my negative cats are
vaccinated against FELV.  I think it is just nutty to say not to even test
him.



On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Mary Muzyka <mary.muz...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,



I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative.
I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia.  She was
gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and healthy girl to
barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first noticed that she
wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that matter.  I took her to
the vet and they did blood work and called me within an hour of leaving
their office telling me she tested positive.  They then sent her blood out
for other various tests and the results were all good for her not having
any other problems.  Each day she got a little less active and then stopped
eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed and give her water for a
couple days and then took her back to the vet.  She injected fluids under
her skin and when I got home, she began eating and drinking immediately.
They also gave me a couple pills to give her to stimulate her appetite -
they only worked once.  She was shutting down and looked so sad.  The
morning she could barely walk and was shaking told me it was time to put
her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the streets and when I
had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & leukemia and she was
negative.  She has been living with my four year old boy, Dolce, for
two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet tells me there is a
99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect health right
now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him because she is
certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from the posts here,
there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to run and play
together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add that since
I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been reading,
no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think she had
something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience over
the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.



Mary Muzyka


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[Kelley S]

I'd look into a different vet, for starters.  Cats don't die of FELV, they
die of opportunistic infections due to compromised immune systems.  If the
blood tests were good, what specifically was being treated?  Chances are
very good Dolce does NOT have FELV.  Many people here mix positive and
negative, as do I with my vet's approval, although my negative cats are
vaccinated against FELV.  I think it is just nutty to say not to even test
him.

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Mary Muzyka  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very
> informative.  I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline
> leukemia.  She was gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and
> healthy girl to barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first
> noticed that she wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that
> matter.  I took her to the vet and they did blood work and called me within
> an hour of leaving their office telling me she tested positive.  They then
> sent her blood out for other various tests and the results were all good
> for her not having any other problems.  Each day she got a little less
> active and then stopped eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed
> and give her water for a couple days and then took her back to the vet.
> She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she began eating
> and drinking immediately.  They also gave me a couple pills to give her
> to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once.  She was shutting down
> and looked so sad.  The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told
> me it was time to put her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the
> streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV &
> leukemia and she was negative.  She has been living with my four year old
> boy, Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet
> tells me there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect
> health right now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him
> because she is certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from
> the posts here, there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to
> run and play together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add
> that since I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been
> reading, no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think
> she had something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience
> over the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.
>
> Mary Muzyka
>
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[Rachel Dagner]

I would probably get him tested, just so you could maybe do something
preventative for his immune system to keep him strong, and also to
carefully monitor and act at the first sign of an infection so you have a
better chance of fighting it before it gets bad. It sounds like exactly
what happened with my Tucker and he had cancer, loss of appetite, less
active…  His was in his chest though and we knew it because he was
regurgitating his food and we did an x-ray and found the mass. Lymphoma is
very common among young FELV cats and can go to many different places in
the body. I am so very sorry about Fiona, it is so heartbreaking to lose
them so young, and to see them go through such a rapid decline, Tucker
lasted a little over a month and a half but he was on steroids without
those he would have gone just as quickly, it was still a very sad time for
me knowing his time was so limited, and knowing he didn’t feel as good and
wasn’t as happy as he was before. Tucker was about the same age. I am
sending prayers your way that Dolce did not get it. People have had them
living together and their other cats did not get it so there is hope. Also
I think it is better if they come into contact with it when they are older
rather than when they are kittens as their immune systems might be strong
enough to fight it off and eliminate it before it can get into the marrow
and stick around forever.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Mary Muzyka
*Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 3:48 PM
*To:* Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] (no subject)



Hello,



I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative.
I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia.  She was
gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and healthy girl to
barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first noticed that she
wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that matter.  I took her to
the vet and they did blood work and called me within an hour of leaving
their office telling me she tested positive.  They then sent her blood out
for other various tests and the results were all good for her not having
any other problems.  Each day she got a little less active and then stopped
eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed and give her water for a
couple days and then took her back to the vet.  She injected fluids under
her skin and when I got home, she began eating and drinking immediately.
They also gave me a couple pills to give her to stimulate her appetite -
they only worked once.  She was shutting down and looked so sad.  The
morning she could barely walk and was shaking told me it was time to put
her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the streets and when I
had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & leukemia and she was
negative.  She has been living with my four year old boy, Dolce, for
two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet tells me there is a
99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect health right
now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him because she is
certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from the posts here,
there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to run and play
together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add that since
I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been reading,
no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think she had
something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience over
the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.



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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Mary

If Fiona died from FeLV, I cannot imagine that you would have gotten back good 
blood results, although your email wasn’t clear regarding exactly what tests 
were run. If you provide some more info, along with the results, I might be 
able to give you some feedback. Sure does sound suspicious to blame FeLV, based 
on the info you have provided.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Mary 
Muzyka
Sent: June-09-16 3:48 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

Hello,

I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative.  I 
recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia.  She was gone 
within two weeks.  She went from a very active and healthy girl to barely 
walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first noticed that she wasn't 
jumping on my bed or anything else for that matter.  I took her to the vet and 
they did blood work and called me within an hour of leaving their office 
telling me she tested positive.  They then sent her blood out for other various 
tests and the results were all good for her not having any other problems.  
Each day she got a little less active and then stopped eating and drinking.  I 
used a syringe to feed and give her water for a couple days and then took her 
back to the vet.  She injected fluids under her skin and when I got home, she 
began eating and drinking immediately.  They also gave me a couple pills to 
give her to stimulate her appetite - they only worked once.  She was shutting 
down and looked so sad.  The morning she could barely walk and was shaking told 
me it was time to put her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the 
streets and when I had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & 
leukemia and she was negative.  She has been living with my four year old boy, 
Dolce, for two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet tells me 
there is a 99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect health right 
now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him because she is 
certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from the posts here, 
there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to run and play 
together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add that since I 
rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been reading, no one 
has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think she had something 
else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience over the years.  I'd 
be interested in your thoughts.

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[Mary Muzyka]

Hello,

I've been following everyone's comments, which have been very informative.
I recently lost my 3 year old girl, Fiona, to feline leukemia.  She was
gone within two weeks.  She went from a very active and healthy girl to
barely walking and shaking in a two week period.  I first noticed that she
wasn't jumping on my bed or anything else for that matter.  I took her to
the vet and they did blood work and called me within an hour of leaving
their office telling me she tested positive.  They then sent her blood out
for other various tests and the results were all good for her not having
any other problems.  Each day she got a little less active and then stopped
eating and drinking.  I used a syringe to feed and give her water for a
couple days and then took her back to the vet.  She injected fluids under
her skin and when I got home, she began eating and drinking immediately.
They also gave me a couple pills to give her to stimulate her appetite -
they only worked once.  She was shutting down and looked so sad.  The
morning she could barely walk and was shaking told me it was time to put
her down.  It broke my heart.  I rescued her from the streets and when I
had her fixed at one year old, they tested for HIV & leukemia and she was
negative.  She has been living with my four year old boy, Dolce, for
two years sharing food bowls and litter boxes.  My vet tells me there is a
99% chance that Dolce was infected.  He is in perfect health right
now.  The vet basically said she wouldn't bother testing him because she is
certain he would have it.  From what I've been reading from the posts here,
there is a change he might not be infected.  They used to run and play
together, but never did I see her bight him.  I want to add that since
I rescued her, she never was outside again.  From what I've been reading,
no one has lost a cat this quickly to the disease.  Makes me think she had
something else.  I don't have much faith in vets from my experience over
the years.  I'd be interested in your thoughts.

Mary Muzyka
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Lorrie]

I am so sorry you lost William, but I was confused by your post.
Are you leaving the FelV group or looking for another FelV cat?

I have a FelV sanctuary and all my positive cats are in good health
now, but of course this could change. I would love it if they could
have a real home. If you are looking for a high needs cat I have
several. Where are you located.

Lorrie 


On 07-01, Patricia Romagna wrote:
Hi,
 
I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions.  My cat, William
(as in Shakespeare) ran away last month.  I just hope that he found a
loving family.  When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone
to come to my house just in case he returned home.  I live in a
townhouse community so every house looks the same and he never left the
house before.  I will probably get another high needs cat.  I adopted
William knowing that he had leukemia.  Basically I want to adopt a cat
that no one else wants.  Wishing all of the best to the members of the
group.


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[Beth]

Patricia -

Have you put up flyers around your complex?
I had a cat escape when some workers were working at a condo I used to live at. 
We didn't see him for a week, but still put out food  let all the neighbors 
know. A neighbor spotted him  we found he was living in a crack between 2 
buildings. I had to hire a professional pet rescuer to get him. out. It took 2 
weeks to get him back.
I really had thought I would never see him again, but, my vet told me to keep 
looking. She said cats rarely ever go far.
I hope you find your baby.

Beth


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 From: Patricia Romagna msp...@verizon.net
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 8:15 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 


Hi, 
 
I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions.  My cat, William (as in 
Shakespeare) ran away last month.  I just hope that he found a loving family.  
When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone to come to my house just 
in case he returned home.  I live in a townhouse community so every house looks 
the same and he never left the house before.  I will probably get another high 
needs cat.  I adopted William knowing that he had leukemia.  Basically I want 
to adopt a cat that no one else wants.  Wishing all of the best to the members 
of the group.
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Lee Evans]

Losing an FeLv+ cat either by the cat passing away or wandering away is not a 
good reason to leave this list. At the present time I don't have any FeLv+ cats 
living with me although I have a few FIV+ ones. But I have not quit the list 
because new information is always cropping up and it's good to know it for the 
future. Also, these people feel like friends, as well as other issues are 
always discussed that effect cats in general. 


 
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 From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 8:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 


Patricia -

Have you put up flyers around your complex?
I had a cat escape when some workers were working at a condo I used to live 
at. We didn't see him for a week, but still put out food  let all the 
neighbors know. A neighbor spotted him  we found he was living in a crack 
between 2 buildings. I had to hire a professional pet rescuer to get him. out. 
It took 2 weeks to get him back.
I really had thought I would never see him again, but, my vet told me to keep 
looking. She said cats rarely ever go far.
I hope you find your baby.

Beth



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 From: Patricia Romagna msp...@verizon.net
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 8:15 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 


Hi, 
 
I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions.  My cat, William (as in 
Shakespeare) ran away last month.  I just hope that he found a loving family.  
When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone to come to my house 
just in case he returned home.  I live in a townhouse community so every house 
looks the same and he never left the house before.  I will probably get 
another high needs cat.  I adopted William knowing that he had leukemia.  
Basically I want to adopt a cat that no one else wants.  Wishing all of the 
best to the members of the group.
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[dlgegg]

Shali was gone for 6 weeks and then turned up acting like nothing wrong had 
happened.  Did you put up posters?  Will pray that he returns safe and sound.


 Patricia Romagna msp...@verizon.net wrote: 
 Hi, 
 
I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions.  My cat, William (as in 
Shakespeare) ran away last month.  I just hope that he found a loving family.  
When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone to come to my house just 
in case he returned home.  I live in a townhouse community so every house looks 
the same and he never left the house before.  I will probably get another high 
needs cat.  I adopted William knowing that he had leukemia.  Basically I want 
to adopt a cat that no one else wants.  Wishing all of the best to the members 
of the group.


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[Catherine Chang]

My FeLV cat passed away, but I am still here because I always learn a lot
of things from this list, and I know it is also a place where I can seek
help if I get into FeLV situation again.

Patricia, I am sorry about William but have you also checked local
shelters/animal control nearby? Sometimes cat goes away for awhile may beg
food from households again, and ends up being turned to shelters. And I
would urge you to check shelters and animal control even on a daily basis
because sadly many shelters or animal control would euthanize FeLV + cats
without waiting period, except for cats with microchips. If William is
micro-chipped, you may ask your vet to help you find an access to the
microchip database, even if you forget to pay the annual fee

Hope William finds his way home soon,
Catherine



On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 3:40 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 Shali was gone for 6 weeks and then turned up acting like nothing wrong
 had happened.  Did you put up posters?  Will pray that he returns safe and
 sound.


  Patricia Romagna msp...@verizon.net wrote:
  Hi,

 I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions.  My cat, William (as
 in Shakespeare) ran away last month.  I just hope that he found a loving
 family.  When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone to come to
 my house just in case he returned home.  I live in a townhouse community so
 every house looks the same and he never left the house before.  I will
 probably get another high needs cat.  I adopted William knowing that he had
 leukemia.  Basically I want to adopt a cat that no one else wants.  Wishing
 all of the best to the members of the group.


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[Felvtalk] (no subject)

[KG BarnCats]

The cat has only been lost a month - please do not give up!  Odds are he
has not gone far.  I found my Lee after 3.5 months lost. I helped a rescue
find a young kitten lost on the side of a road by acres and acres of woods
with most saying she would have been eaten by coyotes ... But we got her
back safe after a month, and saved another kitten to boot.  My favorite
quote from the various lost pet sites... The cat's job is to survive; your
job is to find the cat!  Do not give up, do not listen to pessimists.  Keep
checking the shelters and vets, keep putting up posters, etc.

Kg

On Tuesday, July 2, 2013, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 I am so sorry you lost William, but I was confused by your post.
 Are you leaving the FelV group or looking for another FelV cat?

 I have a FelV sanctuary and all my positive cats are in good health
 now, but of course this could change. I would love it if they could
 have a real home. If you are looking for a high needs cat I have
 several. Where are you located.

 Lorrie


 On 07-01, Patricia Romagna wrote:
Hi,

I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions.  My cat, William
(as in Shakespeare) ran away last month.  I just hope that he found a
loving family.  When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone
to come to my house just in case he returned home.  I live in a
townhouse community so every house looks the same and he never left
the
house before.  I will probably get another high needs cat.  I adopted
William knowing that he had leukemia.  Basically I want to adopt a cat
that no one else wants.  Wishing all of the best to the members of the
group.


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[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Also, just because your condos all look alike, that doesn't mean William
will be confused. He would know your place by the scent of you that's around
it. You could put out a piece of clothing you have worn, maybe even
perspired in, to show him the way home. 

 

Diane R.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Beth
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Patricia -

Have you put up flyers around your complex?
I had a cat escape when some workers were working at a condo I used to live
at. We didn't see him for a week, but still put out food  let all the
neighbors know. A neighbor spotted him  we found he was living in a crack
between 2 buildings. I had to hire a professional pet rescuer to get him.
out. It took 2 weeks to get him back.
I really had thought I would never see him again, but, my vet told me to
keep looking. She said cats rarely ever go far.
I hope you find your baby.

Beth

 

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http://www.furkids.org/ 

 

 

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From: Patricia Romagna msp...@verizon.net
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, July 1, 2013 8:15 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Hi, 

 

I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions.  My cat, William (as in
Shakespeare) ran away last month.  I just hope that he found a loving
family.  When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone to come to
my house just in case he returned home.  I live in a townhouse community so
every house looks the same and he never left the house before.  I will
probably get another high needs cat.  I adopted William knowing that he had
leukemia.  Basically I want to adopt a cat that no one else wants.  Wishing
all of the best to the members of the group.


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Hi, 
 
I'm sorry but I will need to leave your discussions.  My cat, William (as in 
Shakespeare) ran away last month.  I just hope that he found a loving family.  
When I went away for a week and a half I hired someone to come to my house just 
in case he returned home.  I live in a townhouse community so every house looks 
the same and he never left the house before.  I will probably get another high 
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Re: [Felvtalk] from: Sherri Meschke subject: Spam??

[Lee Evans]

i always delete any email that has just a link and is from a group of which I 
am a member. Don't need any more viruses.


 
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too!






 From: Michele Fougeres atomicbetti...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] from: Sherri Meschke subject: Spam??
 


 
Hi everyone, just wanted to let you know that I have been getting  some spam 
from this group, please all members check if some of you might have a virus in 
your computers. This is the second time I receive a link  with a weird address 
that has nothing to do FeLV. The first one was from another member.


Take care and thanks for your time,


Michéle :)




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[Felvtalk] from: Sherri Meschke subject:

[Sherri Meschke]

http://www.acordeonpreciso.com/ib/qdszgvongygarqz/vkmbjezrii
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Re: [Felvtalk] from: Sherri Meschke subject: Spam??

[Michele Fougeres]

Hi everyone, just wanted to let you know that I have been getting  some spam 
from this group, please all members check if some of you might have a virus in 
your computers. This is the second time I receive a link  with a weird address 
that has nothing to do FeLV. The first one was from another member.
Take care and thanks for your time,
Michéle :)

Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 14:47:48 -0700
From: sherrimesc...@yahoo.com
To: sherrimesc...@att.net; powerfulpeace...@yahoo.com; hbmillho...@gmail.com; 
d...@mden.com; mrush...@corporatemallservices.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] from: Sherri Meschke subject:

http://www.acordeonpreciso.com/ib/qdszgvongygarqz/vkmbjezrii

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Re: [Felvtalk] from: Sherri Meschke subject: Spam??

[Maryam Ulomi]

I received one too !

Sent from my iPhone.

On Jun 7, 2013, at 19:48, Michele Fougeres atomicbetti...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone, just wanted to let you know that I have been getting  some spam 
 from this group, please all members check if some of you might have a virus 
 in your computers. This is the second time I receive a link  with a weird 
 address that has nothing to do FeLV. The first one was from another member.
 
 Take care and thanks for your time,
 
 Michéle :)
 
 Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 14:47:48 -0700
 From: sherrimesc...@yahoo.com
 To: sherrimesc...@att.net; powerfulpeace...@yahoo.com; hbmillho...@gmail.com; 
 d...@mden.com; mrush...@corporatemallservices.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] from: Sherri Meschke subject:
 
 http://www.acordeonpreciso.com/ib/qdszgvongygarqz/vkmbjezrii
 
 
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[Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Sally Dwyer]

Hi Folks,

My kitty Rumi was just diagnosed with Felv and Fiv today.  He had been treated 
for a severe anemaia over the past few weeks (transfusions and antibiotics + 
pred) and as recently as 3 weeks ago was FIV and Felv negative on blood samples.

His PCV went from 8 to 26 today - a great recovery.  My daughter an I noticed 
some swollen lymph nodes yesterday and when we showed them to the vets today 
they said that his prognosis is grave given that we now know he is Felv 
positve. They beleive there is probably an underlying fast growing cancer 
responsible for the nodes and have said evenif they find it and treat with 
chemo he will only have 4 or 5 months at best ( they said take the weekend to 
think about it).  So hard to beleive when you see him running around and 
purring in your lap and gaining weight.  We are pretty broken up about it - he 
is an awesome 2 year old cat that we got from a shelter only a month ago.  
Anyone have experiences that are similar or other thoughts?  

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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Christiane Biagi]

Not sure I understand.  He was neg for both FIV n FELV 3 weeks ago but is
positive now?  Do you know what tests were run-possibilities are Elissa
(snap test done in office) and IFA (blood work sent out).  Swollen lymph
nodes could be a lot of things.  particularly if he's running around and
eating and gaining weight!  

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sally Dwyer
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 8:54 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Hi Folks,

My kitty Rumi was just diagnosed with Felv and Fiv today.  He had been
treated for a severe anemaia over the past few weeks (transfusions and
antibiotics + pred) and as recently as 3 weeks ago was FIV and Felv negative
on blood samples.

His PCV went from 8 to 26 today - a great recovery.  My daughter an I
noticed some swollen lymph nodes yesterday and when we showed them to the
vets today they said that his prognosis is grave given that we now know he
is Felv positve. They beleive there is probably an underlying fast growing
cancer responsible for the nodes and have said evenif they find it and treat
with chemo he will only have 4 or 5 months at best ( they said take the
weekend to think about it).  So hard to beleive when you see him running
around and purring in your lap and gaining weight.  We are pretty broken up
about it - he is an awesome 2 year old cat that we got from a shelter only a
month ago.  Anyone have experiences that are similar or other thoughts?  

thanks,

Sally

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Change subject line...... Cat in Ohio needs home

[dlgegg]

RE:  water bowls, mine don't swim in them, they pat the water and throw it out, 
run or slide into bowl .  I hve fountain in kitchen surrounded by sponge to 
soak up the spills.  i thought it was leaking so bought a new one.  took it out 
on deck to test it.  it didn't leak.  man time someone slide into new one  and 
knocked half of th water out.

 Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: 
 Hey this subject line has been going on for a month.  
 We need to change the subject to reflect new topics.
 
 On 12-12, Kathryn Green wrote:
 Sounds strange but I have found that industrial strength double sided
 Velcro works great for keeping things like scratch posts, dishes.
 (especially water dishes they like to swim in), toys that require
 energetic search/play and.litter boxes, in place on laminate,
 hardwood, linoleum floors.
  
 Kat
  
 
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[Felvtalk] Change subject line...... Cat in Ohio needs home

[Lorrie]

Hey this subject line has been going on for a month.  
We need to change the subject to reflect new topics.

On 12-12, Kathryn Green wrote:
Sounds strange but I have found that industrial strength double sided
Velcro works great for keeping things like scratch posts, dishes.
(especially water dishes they like to swim in), toys that require
energetic search/play and.litter boxes, in place on laminate,
hardwood, linoleum floors.
 
Kat
 

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[Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Lee Evans]

Munchkin, a 5 year old cat I adopted from a neighbor, lived with me for 20 
years.  He was neutered before he got either FeLv or FIV fortunately.  
At least the neighbor had done that although Munchkin was allowed to 
roam the neighborhood.  He was a large, grey with an attitude and was 
noticed and admired by everyone. Munchkin didn't get into biting fights 
even though he was an outside cat.  I finally retired him to my cat 
enclosure for the last 5 years of his life.  Munchkin had many visitors 
in his retirement home.  Every so often a neighbor would pass by and 
ask if Munchkin was still with me and I would invite the person into the back 
yard to the cat enclosure where Munchkin would receive his guest 
with pride and diplomacy.  When he was around 24+ his kidneys began to 
fail and at 25 he passed away.


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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[dlgegg]

People who hunt for the trophy are wrong.  Those who hunt to help feed their 
family are right.  
Politicians will tell you what they think you want to hear and do what they 
want.  I am desperate enough this year to vote for one of my cats - write in 
vote.


 Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 This list has always been so very helpful-now it is full of judgmental
 people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
 happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many
 people all over the world hunt-they are all condemned because there are
 those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to
 helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to
 get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating
 away from what brought all to the list in the first place.
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Joslin Potter]

   
 I agree with you Lee, I don't see any issue with hunting.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  


The Lord replied,‘The times when you have seen only one set of footprints in 
the sand, is when I carried you MS
 


 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2012 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
   People who hunt for the trophy are wrong.  Those who hunt to help feed their 
family are right.  Politicians will tell you what they think you want to hear 
and do what they want.  I am desperate enough this year to vote for one of my 
cats - write in vote. Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote:  This 
list has always been so very helpful-now it is full of judgmental people that 
do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this 
list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the 
world hunt-they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then 
the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information 
about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It 
is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the 
list in the first place. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Natalie]

It's true about declawing...people NEVER knew how awful it was, they thought 
it's like a manicure! Vets who suggest it are in it to make money, that's all!  
Most of them, I can guarantee, have no idea (or don't care to know) about side 
effects, emotional and physical.  1) people abandon declawed cats because of 
urinating outside the litter box, 2) cats become totally unpredictable/bite, 
and 3) going into deep depression. So, when people tell me that their cats were 
absolutely normal, how would they know that? What is normal? I've had a few 
declawed rescues - each one, without fail, peed everywhere.  I had to get 
piddle pants for them!  One would bite for absolutely no reason (that I saw), 
but he had a good reason!  Yes, there are some cats that seem not to be 
affected, at least outwardly, and people even allow them to go outside, which 
it the worst thing to do.
A friend declawed her two cats when she adopted a baby.  Both cats bit the baby 
really hard when their tails or ears were pulled, and guess what happened to 
the cats?


-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 12:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

But isn't it the different opinions and even judgementalism that sparks new 
ideas, makes people think?  No, we should not get nasty, but especially 
declawing, that is so detrimental to the cat.  Isn't it better to find a 
solution for the clawing on furniture, find out why the cat is doing it.  Then 
we can corrrect the situation.  One thing I have learned thru the years is that 
most BAD cat behavior is caused by their people's actions or lack of 
understanding.


 Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I think yall misunderstand.  I don't care about off topic posts and we 
 used to talk about everything under the sun.  It's the JUDGEMENTALISM 
 that has been creeping in for a long, long time.
 
 Declawing  I don't do it, but one of our valued long term list members 
 (at least I hope she is even still here) volunteers for a rescue that 
 has 2 parts, an FELV sanctuary and an adoptable cat rescue - and all 
 the adoptable cats are routinely declawed by the rescue owner, a veterinarian.
 Now I'm sure just this post will generate about a month long argument, 
 which is kind of my point about judgement.
 
 And let a breeder come on here and dear Lord.  More judgement.  I hate 
 fighting and judging.
 
 On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote:
 
 I understand the purpose of this group, but I think it’s up to 
  the mod to decide of OT posts are permitted. I found the OT subjects 
  interesting, but when I didn’t feel like reading any more, I used 
  the magical delete key.I t part, those who have participated in the 
  OT discussions have made their points very respectfully and without 
  insult. (I’m not sure I can say the same regarding the comment that 
  the list has gone way, way downhill.)
 
  
 
  I hope we call all agree to disagree as necessary while 
  remaining dedicated to the FeLV+ kitties that need us. **I do rescue 
  and joined this group when one of our rescues tested positive. He 
  was adopted more than a year ago, but I’ve stayed on the list 
  because of the kindness and compassion of the folks here. I don’t 
  think the list has gone downhill at all and I’m sure that if someone 
  poses a question about a cat in need, focus will quickly be 
  redirected.**
 
  **
  Cindy**
 
  
 
  
 
  *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On 
  Behalf Of *Kelley S
  *Sent:* Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM
  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
  
 
  I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in 
  my life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - 
  and I stayed because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, 
  way downhill.  ***
  *
 
  On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone 
  malon...@yahoo.com
  wrote:
 
  I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia 
  in 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been 
  invaluable leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with 
  many animal groups I do send people that are struggling. It was most 
  disheartening to know that they were not able to get help, but did 
  learn that people hated their beliefs. They just needed guidance 
  because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has 
  always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those 
  given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.
 
   
 
  *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On 
  Behalf Of *Lee Evans
  *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject

Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Kelley S]

I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life
- I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.comwrote:

 I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
 leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
 do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
 they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
 beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
 the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
 and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.

 ** **

 *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
 Of *Lee Evans
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 ** **

 Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
 get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
 over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
 same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
 cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
 rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
 those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
 a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
 a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic
 and discuss hair styles and shoe styles.

 If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
 discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
 with your issue.  Blessings.

 ** **

  

 *Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
 neighbors too!*

 ** **
 --

 *From:* Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
 *Subject:* [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 ** **

 This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental
 people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
 happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many
 people all over the world hunt—they are all condemned because there are
 those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to
 helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to
 get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating
 away from what brought all to the list in the first place.


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[Natalie]

I joined this list a few years ago when I got two adult FeLV cats, and I
have absolutely no complaints - how can anyone think that this group has
gone downhill with so many knowledgeable, wonderful and caring contributors
just because we go off-topic once in a while?  It usually happens when no
one has any dire FeLV emergencies, and then there are times when it's
nothing but FeLV issues.  I belong to several groups, and this often happens
in a lull.

Natalie

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Kelley S
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life
- I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
wrote:

I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
leave. I realize I don't post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
Evans
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and
discuss hair styles and shoe styles.

If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
with your issue.  Blessings.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!

 

  _  

From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

This list has always been so very helpful-now it is full of judgmental
people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many
people all over the world hunt-they are all condemned because there are
those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to
helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to
get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating
away from what brought all to the list in the first place.


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[Elizabeth Malone]

My concern was that someone came for help and was concerned because of what
was being said. I don't know that I would call it going downhill-it is
difficult finding help when dealing with this virus and it is disheartening
when someone comes and can't get help. I remember being in their place and
reading about cobra venom, can you imagine how desperate one is to think
that route,-it is hard to find proper treatments or how to find the right
vet. This site gave me hope, told me to stand up to my vet who said put the
cat down, and then gave me what they used or knew so I could take it to my
vet. In the end there is another vet in this world that believes that FeLV+
cats can be treated and do not need to be put down. I send people because
this is the greatest group I know with a wealth of knowledge and wisdom to
share. They felt this wasn't a place of help. I know that there are so many
here that could write the best how-to book on treatments. We need that
knowledge to help those that are told-you need to put that at down like I
was told, because there are treatments. 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Natalie
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 12:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

I joined this list a few years ago when I got two adult FeLV cats, and I
have absolutely no complaints - how can anyone think that this group has
gone downhill with so many knowledgeable, wonderful and caring contributors
just because we go off-topic once in a while?  It usually happens when no
one has any dire FeLV emergencies, and then there are times when it's
nothing but FeLV issues.  I belong to several groups, and this often happens
in a lull.

Natalie

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Kelley S
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life
- I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
wrote:

I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
leave. I realize I don't post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
Evans
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and
discuss hair styles and shoe styles.

If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
with your issue.  Blessings.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!

 

  _  

From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

This list has always been so very helpful-now it is full of judgmental
people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many
people all over the world hunt-they are all condemned because there are
those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to
helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to
get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating
away from what brought all to the list in the first place.


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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Cindy McHugh]

I understand the purpose of this group, but I think it’s up to the mod to 
decide of OT posts are permitted. I found the OT subjects interesting, but when 
I didn’t feel like reading any more, I used the magical delete key.

 

I’d hate to see hurt feelings among a group of people who are united by a 
common concern for FeLV+ cats. But I think that for the most part, those who 
have participated in the OT discussions have made their points very 
respectfully and without insult. (I’m not sure I can say the same regarding the 
comment that the list has gone way, way downhill.)

 

I hope we call all agree to disagree as necessary while remaining dedicated to 
the FeLV+ kitties that need us. I do rescue and joined this group when one of 
our rescues tested positive. He was adopted more than a year ago, but I’ve 
stayed on the list because of the kindness and compassion of the folks here. I 
don’t think the list has gone downhill at all and I’m sure that if someone 
poses a question about a cat in need, focus will quickly be redirected.


Cindy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley 
S
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life - I 
joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed because the 
people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote:

I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I 
have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I 
realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send 
people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were 
not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just 
needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has 
always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news 
the knowledge that there is always hope.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee 
Evans
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get 
back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to 
the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here.  
We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to cool down by 
having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who 
understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test 
FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group.  We all 
agree on the religion but we may all approach it in a different way and see it 
in a different way and even get way off topic and discuss hair styles and shoe 
styles.

If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will 
discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you with 
your issue.  Blessings.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!

 




From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental people 
that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this 
list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the 
world hunt—they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then 
the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information 
about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It 
is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the 
list in the first place.


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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Kelley S]

I think yall misunderstand.  I don't care about off topic posts and we used
to talk about everything under the sun.  It's the JUDGEMENTALISM that has
been creeping in for a long, long time.

Declawing  I don't do it, but one of our valued long term list members (at
least I hope she is even still here) volunteers for a rescue that has 2
parts, an FELV sanctuary and an adoptable cat rescue - and all the
adoptable cats are routinely declawed by the rescue owner, a veterinarian.
Now I'm sure just this post will generate about a month long argument,
which is kind of my point about judgement.

And let a breeder come on here and dear Lord.  More judgement.  I hate
fighting and judging.

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote:

I understand the purpose of this group, but I think it’s up to the mod
 to decide of OT posts are permitted. I found the OT subjects interesting,
 but when I didn’t feel like reading any more, I used the magical delete key.I
 t part, those who have participated in the OT discussions have made their
 points very respectfully and without insult. (I’m not sure I can say the
 same regarding the comment that the list has gone way, way downhill.)

 

 I hope we call all agree to disagree as necessary while remaining
 dedicated to the FeLV+ kitties that need us. **I do rescue and joined
 this group when one of our rescues tested positive. He was adopted more
 than a year ago, but I’ve stayed on the list because of the kindness and
 compassion of the folks here. I don’t think the list has gone downhill at
 all and I’m sure that if someone poses a question about a cat in need,
 focus will quickly be redirected.**

 **
 Cindy**

 

 

 *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
 Of *Kelley S
 *Sent:* Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

 I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my
 life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
 because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  ***
 *

 On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

 I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
 leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
 do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
 they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
 beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
 the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
 and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.

  

 *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
 Of *Lee Evans
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

  

 Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
 get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
 over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
 same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
 cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
 rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
 those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
 a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
 a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic
 and discuss hair styles and shoe styles.

 If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
 discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
 with your issue.  Blessings.

  

  

 *Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
 neighbors too!*

  
   --

 *From:* Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
 *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 *Sent:* Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
 *Subject:* [Felvtalk] (no subject)

  

 This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental
 people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
 happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many
 people all over the world hunt—they are all condemned because there are
 those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to
 helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to
 get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating
 away from what brought all to the list in the first place.


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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Christiane Biagi]

This group got me thru.that blind panic when my tucson was diagnosed w felv. 
And I know irs helped sooo many people!

Christiane Biagi
Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G

Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote:

My concern was that someone came for help and was concerned because of what
was being said. I don't know that I would call it going downhill-it is
difficult finding help when dealing with this virus and it is disheartening
when someone comes and can't get help. I remember being in their place and
reading about cobra venom, can you imagine how desperate one is to think
that route,-it is hard to find proper treatments or how to find the right
vet. This site gave me hope, told me to stand up to my vet who said put the
cat down, and then gave me what they used or knew so I could take it to my
vet. In the end there is another vet in this world that believes that FeLV+
cats can be treated and do not need to be put down. I send people because
this is the greatest group I know with a wealth of knowledge and wisdom to
share. They felt this wasn't a place of help. I know that there are so many
here that could write the best how-to book on treatments. We need that
knowledge to help those that are told-you need to put that at down like I
was told, because there are treatments. 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Natalie
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 12:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

I joined this list a few years ago when I got two adult FeLV cats, and I
have absolutely no complaints - how can anyone think that this group has
gone downhill with so many knowledgeable, wonderful and caring contributors
just because we go off-topic once in a while?  It usually happens when no
one has any dire FeLV emergencies, and then there are times when it's
nothing but FeLV issues.  I belong to several groups, and this often happens
in a lull.

Natalie

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Kelley S
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life
- I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
wrote:

I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
leave. I realize I don't post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
Evans
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and
discuss hair styles and shoe styles.

If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
with your issue.  Blessings.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!

 

  _  

From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

This list has always been so very helpful-now it is full of judgmental
people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many
people all over the world hunt-they are all condemned because there are
those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to
helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to
get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating
away from what brought all to the list in the first place

[Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Lee Evans]

In the middle of our chit-chat about politics and hunters and vegetarian
 diets, if someone had come in with the subject line: Cat Bitten by 
Cobra, we would have been off the chatty stuff in an instant and onto 
Google to look up what could be done for the cat while the caregiver was
 taking him to the vet emergency clinic.  So if we wander around the 
hospital isles occasionally when everyone is asleep and babble a bit, 
don't worry.  We can switch in a moment.  I actually did switch when I 
saw how agonized you were and posted about vets treating FeLv cats 
differently from non-FeLv cats to get us back on topic. But occasionally
 on every specialized list I have been on there is a subject with OT 
listed and then it's either a funny article copied from a magazine or 
other online source or some cute pictures of cats doing
 silly things, or even a heated political discussion about who will be 
President and how it would effect our ability to financially keep our 
heads above water and still feed our rescues and take our cats to the 
vet when needed.  It really does tie into the FeLv+ cat group because we
 are very money intensive in trying to keep our rescued special needs 
cats as healthy as can be for as long as can be.  If I lose my Social 
Security and Medicare benefits or they are reduced, I would have to cut 
down on food for myself  and air conditioning in the summer and heat in 
the winter to pay my mortgage on this house that I bought to keep my 
cats safe from being seized by Animal Control in a city where there are 
cat limits.  Even though I still work and have an online job, I would be
 in dire straits.  So it is very important to my cats who I vote for.  
And since I live in a rural area, hunting becomes a problem for me 
also.  If the
 NRA controls the government, then my 3 outside cats and my peacock are 
in danger.  I actually hear gunshots sometimes in the daytime on 
weekends and it makes me tremble.


 
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Diane Rosenfeldt]

Thanks, Lee, I was about to say that I have never seen anyone not get
responded to on this list in their time of need and emotional turmoil. Going
offtopic is almost inevitable when you're on a specialized list like this. I
think the OT discussion has been amazingly civil and respectful. As it
happens, I will be voting Democrat because I feel they are in touch with,
and care about, the people that the Republicans have referred to as the 47%
they're not interested in reaching. My reasons have to do with the way the
most vulnerable among us would be treated under each party. I feel people
like most of us, who are sort of getting by or not quite getting by or
getting by only because we get a pension or disability or whatever, need
people in government who are interested in reaching us.

 

Diane R.

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
Evans
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:54 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

In the middle of our chit-chat about politics and hunters and vegetarian
diets, if someone had come in with the subject line: Cat Bitten by Cobra, we
would have been off the chatty stuff in an instant and onto Google to look
up what could be done for the cat while the caregiver was taking him to the
vet emergency clinic.  So if we wander around the hospital isles
occasionally when everyone is asleep and babble a bit, don't worry.  We can
switch in a moment.  I actually did switch when I saw how agonized you were
and posted about vets treating FeLv cats differently from non-FeLv cats to
get us back on topic. But occasionally on every specialized list I have been
on there is a subject with OT listed and then it's either a funny article
copied from a magazine or other online source or some cute pictures of cats
doing silly things, or even a heated political discussion about who will be
President and how it would effect our ability to financially keep our heads
above water and still feed our rescues and take our cats to the vet when
needed.  It really does tie into the FeLv+ cat group because we are very
money intensive in trying to keep our rescued special needs cats as healthy
as can be for as long as can be.  If I lose my Social Security and Medicare
benefits or they are reduced, I would have to cut down on food for myself
and air conditioning in the summer and heat in the winter to pay my mortgage
on this house that I bought to keep my cats safe from being seized by Animal
Control in a city where there are cat limits.  Even though I still work and
have an online job, I would be in dire straits.  So it is very important to
my cats who I vote for.  And since I live in a rural area, hunting becomes a
problem for me also.  If the NRA controls the government, then my 3 outside
cats and my peacock are in danger.  I actually hear gunshots sometimes in
the daytime on weekends and it makes me tremble.

 

 

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neighbors too!

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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Natalie]

I agree, they have been very civil!  Natalie

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Diane Rosenfeldt
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Thanks, Lee, I was about to say that I have never seen anyone not get
responded to on this list in their time of need and emotional turmoil. Going
offtopic is almost inevitable when you're on a specialized list like this. I
think the OT discussion has been amazingly civil and respectful. As it
happens, I will be voting Democrat because I feel they are in touch with,
and care about, the people that the Republicans have referred to as the 47%
they're not interested in reaching. My reasons have to do with the way the
most vulnerable among us would be treated under each party. I feel people
like most of us, who are sort of getting by or not quite getting by or
getting by only because we get a pension or disability or whatever, need
people in government who are interested in reaching us.

 

Diane R.

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
Evans
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:54 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

In the middle of our chit-chat about politics and hunters and vegetarian
diets, if someone had come in with the subject line: Cat Bitten by Cobra, we
would have been off the chatty stuff in an instant and onto Google to look
up what could be done for the cat while the caregiver was taking him to the
vet emergency clinic.  So if we wander around the hospital isles
occasionally when everyone is asleep and babble a bit, don't worry.  We can
switch in a moment.  I actually did switch when I saw how agonized you were
and posted about vets treating FeLv cats differently from non-FeLv cats to
get us back on topic. But occasionally on every specialized list I have been
on there is a subject with OT listed and then it's either a funny article
copied from a magazine or other online source or some cute pictures of cats
doing silly things, or even a heated political discussion about who will be
President and how it would effect our ability to financially keep our heads
above water and still feed our rescues and take our cats to the vet when
needed.  It really does tie into the FeLv+ cat group because we are very
money intensive in trying to keep our rescued special needs cats as healthy
as can be for as long as can be.  If I lose my Social Security and Medicare
benefits or they are reduced, I would have to cut down on food for myself
and air conditioning in the summer and heat in the winter to pay my mortgage
on this house that I bought to keep my cats safe from being seized by Animal
Control in a city where there are cat limits.  Even though I still work and
have an online job, I would be in dire straits.  So it is very important to
my cats who I vote for.  And since I live in a rural area, hunting becomes a
problem for me also.  If the NRA controls the government, then my 3 outside
cats and my peacock are in danger.  I actually hear gunshots sometimes in
the daytime on weekends and it makes me tremble.

 

 

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neighbors too!

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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[dlgegg]

yOU ARE RIGHT.  Everything we do concerns our ability to care for ourselves and 
our cats.  I was elieved when I got my electric bill today, only $66.00.  It 
was not too high this summer as I am in the woods and get a good breeze, but I 
am afraid we are going to have a winter like our summer and the heat bill will 
go sky high.  Looking for a way to earn extra $$ so can pay property taxes and 
insurance on house,car and health.  These are the budget busters.

 Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 
In the middle of our chit-chat about politics and hunters and vegetarian
 diets, if someone had come in with the subject line: Cat Bitten by 
Cobra, we would have been off the chatty stuff in an instant and onto 
Google to look up what could be done for the cat while the caregiver was
 taking him to the vet emergency clinic.  So if we wander around the 
hospital isles occasionally when everyone is asleep and babble a bit, 
don't worry.  We can switch in a moment.  I actually did switch when I 
saw how agonized you were and posted about vets treating FeLv cats 
differently from non-FeLv cats to get us back on topic. But occasionally
 on every specialized list I have been on there is a subject with OT 
listed and then it's either a funny article copied from a magazine or 
other online source or some cute pictures of cats doing
 silly things, or even a heated political discussion about who will be 
President and how it would effect our ability to financially keep our 
heads above water and still feed our rescues and take our cats to the 
vet when needed.  It really does tie into the FeLv+ cat group because we
 are very money intensive in trying to keep our rescued special needs 
cats as healthy as can be for as long as can be.  If I lose my Social 
Security and Medicare benefits or they are reduced, I would have to cut 
down on food for myself  and air conditioning in the summer and heat in 
the winter to pay my mortgage on this house that I bought to keep my 
cats safe from being seized by Animal Control in a city where there are 
cat limits.  Even though I still work and have an online job, I would be
 in dire straits.  So it is very important to my cats who I vote for.  
And since I live in a rural area, hunting becomes a problem for me 
also.  If the
 NRA controls the government, then my 3 outside cats and my peacock are 
in danger.  I actually hear gunshots sometimes in the daytime on 
weekends and it makes me tremble.


 
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too!


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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[dlgegg]

When I started with the group, I got so many replys to my HELP cry that I lost 
my fear of this disease.  So much positive information from people who know it 
from experience, not what they have read.  THANK YOU to everyone for giving me 
the courage to keep my girls and giving myself and them a chance at life and 
love that never would have been had I euthanized them.

 Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: 
 This group got me thru.that blind panic when my tucson was diagnosed w felv. 
 And I know irs helped sooo many people!

Christiane Biagi
Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G

Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote:

My concern was that someone came for help and was concerned because of what
was being said. I don't know that I would call it going downhill-it is
difficult finding help when dealing with this virus and it is disheartening
when someone comes and can't get help. I remember being in their place and
reading about cobra venom, can you imagine how desperate one is to think
that route,-it is hard to find proper treatments or how to find the right
vet. This site gave me hope, told me to stand up to my vet who said put the
cat down, and then gave me what they used or knew so I could take it to my
vet. In the end there is another vet in this world that believes that FeLV+
cats can be treated and do not need to be put down. I send people because
this is the greatest group I know with a wealth of knowledge and wisdom to
share. They felt this wasn't a place of help. I know that there are so many
here that could write the best how-to book on treatments. We need that
knowledge to help those that are told-you need to put that at down like I
was told, because there are treatments. 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Natalie
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 12:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

I joined this list a few years ago when I got two adult FeLV cats, and I
have absolutely no complaints - how can anyone think that this group has
gone downhill with so many knowledgeable, wonderful and caring contributors
just because we go off-topic once in a while?  It usually happens when no
one has any dire FeLV emergencies, and then there are times when it's
nothing but FeLV issues.  I belong to several groups, and this often happens
in a lull.

Natalie

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Kelley S
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life
- I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
wrote:

I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
leave. I realize I don't post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee
Evans
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and
discuss hair styles and shoe styles.

If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
with your issue.  Blessings.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!

 

  _  

From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

This list has always been so very helpful-now it is full of judgmental
people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil

Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[dlgegg]

But isn't it the different opinions and even judgementalism that sparks new 
ideas, makes people think?  No, we should not get nasty, but especially 
declawing, that is so detrimental to the cat.  Isn't it better to find a 
solution for the clawing on furniture, find out why the cat is doing it.  Then 
we can corrrect the situation.  One thing I have learned thru the years is that 
most BAD cat behavior is caused by their people's actions or lack of 
understanding.


 Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I think yall misunderstand.  I don't care about off topic posts and we used
 to talk about everything under the sun.  It's the JUDGEMENTALISM that has
 been creeping in for a long, long time.
 
 Declawing  I don't do it, but one of our valued long term list members (at
 least I hope she is even still here) volunteers for a rescue that has 2
 parts, an FELV sanctuary and an adoptable cat rescue - and all the
 adoptable cats are routinely declawed by the rescue owner, a veterinarian.
 Now I'm sure just this post will generate about a month long argument,
 which is kind of my point about judgement.
 
 And let a breeder come on here and dear Lord.  More judgement.  I hate
 fighting and judging.
 
 On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote:
 
 I understand the purpose of this group, but I think it’s up to the mod
  to decide of OT posts are permitted. I found the OT subjects interesting,
  but when I didn’t feel like reading any more, I used the magical delete 
  key.I
  t part, those who have participated in the OT discussions have made their
  points very respectfully and without insult. (I’m not sure I can say the
  same regarding the comment that the list has gone way, way downhill.)
 
  
 
  I hope we call all agree to disagree as necessary while remaining
  dedicated to the FeLV+ kitties that need us. **I do rescue and joined
  this group when one of our rescues tested positive. He was adopted more
  than a year ago, but I’ve stayed on the list because of the kindness and
  compassion of the folks here. I don’t think the list has gone downhill at
  all and I’m sure that if someone poses a question about a cat in need,
  focus will quickly be redirected.**
 
  **
  Cindy**
 
  
 
  
 
  *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
  Of *Kelley S
  *Sent:* Friday, October 05, 2012 2:46 PM
  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
  
 
  I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my
  life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
  because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.  ***
  *
 
  On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
  wrote:
 
  I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
  2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
  leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
  do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
  they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
  beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
  the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
  and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.
 
   
 
  *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
  Of *Lee Evans
  *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
   
 
  Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
  get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
  over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
  same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
  cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
  rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
  those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
  a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
  a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic
  and discuss hair styles and shoe styles.
 
  If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
  discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
  with your issue.  Blessings.
 
   
 
   
 
  *Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
  neighbors too!*
 
   
--
 
  *From:* Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  *Sent:* Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
  *Subject:* [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
   
 
  This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full

Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[dlgegg]

One thing I have heard that was negative, was about vets who want to put cats 
down because of FELV.  i think many of them just are not up to date and 
sometimes they are afraid to try something new/different.  If a vet says put 
them down, I just don't go back to him/her and look for someone who is willing 
to try .  If I want to spend the money, then let me.  If I get too far down the 
self sacrificing look what I am doing for my cat road then the doctor needs 
to set me straight.  My vet will do this for me.  If he thinks I am getting 
carried away, he gently asks me if I am doing it for myself or the cat.  That 
makes me think .  That is one of the reasons he is there, to help me think 
straight.  We all need other's opinions to help us in making decisions 
sometimes and sometimes those opinions may seem a bit harsh, but necessary.


 Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life
 - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed
 because the people were so wonderful.  It has gone way, way downhill.
 
 On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.comwrote:
 
  I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in
  2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable
  leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I
  do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that
  they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their
  beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for
  the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments
  and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope.
 
  ** **
 
  *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
  Of *Lee Evans
  *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
  ** **
 
  Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon
  get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull
  over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the
  same here.  We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to
  cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who
  rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing
  those cats who test FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with
  a church group.  We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in
  a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic
  and discuss hair styles and shoe styles.
 
  If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will
  discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you
  with your issue.  Blessings.
 
  ** **
 
   
 
  *Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
  neighbors too!*
 
  ** **
  --
 
  *From:* Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
  *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  *Sent:* Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
  *Subject:* [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
  ** **
 
  This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental
  people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is
  happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many
  people all over the world hunt—they are all condemned because there are
  those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to
  helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to
  get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating
  away from what brought all to the list in the first place.
 
 
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[Lee Evans]

Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get 
back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to 
the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here.  
We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to cool down by 
having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who 
understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test 
FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group.  We all 
agree on the religion but we may all approach it in a different way and see it 
in a different way and even get way off topic and discuss hair styles and shoe 
styles.

If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will 
discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you with 
your issue.  Blessings.


 
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!





 From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 

This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental people 
that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this 
list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the 
world hunt—they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then 
the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information 
about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It 
is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the 
list in the first place.
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[Elizabeth Malone]

I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I 
have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I 
realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send 
people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were 
not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just 
needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has 
always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news 
the knowledge that there is always hope.

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee 
Evans
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Don't fret Elizabeth.  Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get 
back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to 
the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here.  
We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to cool down by 
having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who 
understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test 
FeLv+.  It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group.  We all 
agree on the religion but we may all approach it in a different way and see it 
in a different way and even get way off topic and discuss hair styles and shoe 
styles.

If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will 
discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you with 
your issue.  Blessings.

 

 

Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors 
too!

 

  _  

From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental people 
that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this 
list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the 
world hunt—they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then 
the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information 
about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It 
is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the 
list in the first place.


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[Beth]

There's times when there is no activity. Be thankful for less email :)

 
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 From: McKenna's mckennas...@power-net.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 

 
These are the first I’ve gotten in over 2 weeks. I’m guessing I’m still on 
the list then.
 
Melissa L. McKenna 
From: GRAS 
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
  I got this one, and yes, there 
was correspondence this week – but I can’t tell you if you’re on the list or 
not 
- Natalie
  
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Catherine Caughie
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 
3:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] 
(no subject)
 
Good afternoon,
 
I haven’t received any emails from the group in over a 
week.  Am I still on the mailing list:
My email is: 
 
    caug...@daytonastate.edu
 
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[Catherine Caughie]

Good afternoon,

I haven't received any emails from the group in over a week.  Am I still on the 
mailing list:
My email is:

caug...@daytonastate.edumailto:caug...@daytonastate.edu

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[GRAS]

I got this one, and yes, there was correspondence this week - but I can't
tell you if you're on the list or not - Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Catherine Caughie
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Good afternoon,

 

I haven't received any emails from the group in over a week.  Am I still on
the mailing list:

My email is: 

 

caug...@daytonastate.edu

 

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[McKenna's]

These are the first I’ve gotten in over 2 weeks. I’m guessing I’m still on the 
list then.

Melissa L. McKenna

From: GRAS 
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

I got this one, and yes, there was correspondence this week – but I can’t tell 
you if you’re on the list or not - Natalie

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Catherine Caughie
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Good afternoon,

 

I haven’t received any emails from the group in over a week.  Am I still on the 
mailing list:

My email is: 

 

caug...@daytonastate.edu

 

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[dlgegg]

A lovely story.  I know how you both felt when Rheis dissappeared.  Sometimes 
one of my babies stays out longer than the others and I become a basket case.  
Then they show up at the door, meowing  (demanding) to get in.  Or sometimes 
they come up behind me and quietly sit, waiting for me to turn and discover 
them.  I say I am going to do all kinds of things to them when they finally 
come home, but I just pick them up and love them to pieces.  


 czadna sacarawicz czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com wrote: 
 
 Jean Feraca of WI public radio uses a word unremembered by me which describes 
 people unknown to each other involved in a work on behalf of God.
  
 The recent Purina Rally to Rescue magazine featured an article Loved and 
 Found about volunteers using animal allies to find strayed beloveds.
  
 with that . . .
  
 Rheis, a petite, long-haired talkative tortie had lived outside for some 
 months.  Sherry fed this cat who had arrived in the rough neighborhood by 
 unknown means.  
  
 Peggy Satterwhite of Vance County SPCA and I trapped this likely-to-be 
 pregnant cat on March 5.  Rheis came home with me.  Rheis went to SNAP - NC 
 and was aborted and spayed; we visited the vet, visited Sherry who was 
 certain she did not want Rheis as a dependent, and visited the Wake County 
 SPCA who put Rheis on their waiting list for their adoption center.  Rheis 
 lives with us in a one bedroom apartment - - separated for health reasons - - 
 from the heart of the home i.e Scrumptious and Mama and Pookashay and Shallie 
 Marie and Luscious.  There is usually a temporary, non-paying feline house 
 guest in what seems to be a convalescent center.
  
 Karin who lives in the same apartment building as we but on the back side and 
 above ground level wanted Rheis to meet Toby.  Toby, her 14 year-old rescue, 
 might be willing to have an additional housemate.  Karin picked up Rheis 
 Saturday afternoon.  No fur flew.  I went up late in the afternoon to pick up 
 Rheis before Karin left for mass.  Rheis wanted no part of being caught.  I 
 left and revisited after Karin's return.  Rheis was much more social now.  
 She moved back and forth from the cat-safe patio where Toby was hanging out.  
 She allowed herself to be petted.   The revised plan was that Rheis would 
 spend the night.  She had been sharing food and the litter box.  
  
 11:17 p.m.   call from Karin.  Rheis had exited the patio to the ground.  I 
 dressed and went to . . .Karin had spoken to a visitor who went for a 
 flashlight.  (the vistior called me by name, recalling an incident with a 
 kitten at the dialysis center).  The visitor saw eyes staring back at her 
 from the dark woods.  Karin and the visitor went into the woods.  Harold and 
 James, the outside ferals, knew something was going on and monitored the 
 activities.  Toby was talking from the patio. 
  
 Rheis had shown herself to be tame with a big motor.  She lived in a double 
 cage unreachable to her housemates and at night in the bathroom.   No Rheis.
  
 I went home and turned out my heart.  Yahmuna (FIV+) and I went to bed.  I 
 pondered what I was going to say to the SPCA and search strategy for Sunday.  
  
 12:46 p.m.  I heard a meow at the door and opened to see Rheis and Mama.  I 
 put Yahmuna into her bedroom and went back and opened the door and Rheis came 
 in.
  
 I called Karin.
  
 Rheis had never been outdoors at my home . . . had lived the free life of an 
 outdoor cat.
  
 HOW AND WHY?
  
 Karin is a woman of great faith.  
 
 
 
 
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[czadna sacarawicz]

Jean Feraca of WI public radio uses a word unremembered by me which describes 
people unknown to each other involved in a work on behalf of God.
 
The recent Purina Rally to Rescue magazine featured an article Loved and 
Found about volunteers using animal allies to find strayed beloveds.
 
with that . . .
 
Rheis, a petite, long-haired talkative tortie had lived outside for some 
months.  Sherry fed this cat who had arrived in the rough neighborhood by 
unknown means.  
 
Peggy Satterwhite of Vance County SPCA and I trapped this likely-to-be pregnant 
cat on March 5.  Rheis came home with me.  Rheis went to SNAP - NC and was 
aborted and spayed; we visited the vet, visited Sherry who was certain she did 
not want Rheis as a dependent, and visited the Wake County SPCA who put Rheis 
on their waiting list for their adoption center.  Rheis lives with us in a one 
bedroom apartment - - separated for health reasons - - from the heart of the 
home i.e Scrumptious and Mama and Pookashay and Shallie Marie and Luscious.  
There is usually a temporary, non-paying feline house guest in what seems to be 
a convalescent center.
 
Karin who lives in the same apartment building as we but on the back side and 
above ground level wanted Rheis to meet Toby.  Toby, her 14 year-old rescue, 
might be willing to have an additional housemate.  Karin picked up Rheis 
Saturday afternoon.  No fur flew.  I went up late in the afternoon to pick up 
Rheis before Karin left for mass.  Rheis wanted no part of being caught.  I 
left and revisited after Karin's return.  Rheis was much more social now.  She 
moved back and forth from the cat-safe patio where Toby was hanging out.  She 
allowed herself to be petted.   The revised plan was that Rheis would spend the 
night.  She had been sharing food and the litter box.  
 
11:17 p.m.   call from Karin.  Rheis had exited the patio to the ground.  I 
dressed and went to . . .Karin had spoken to a visitor who went for a 
flashlight.  (the vistior called me by name, recalling an incident with a 
kitten at the dialysis center).  The visitor saw eyes staring back at her from 
the dark woods.  Karin and the visitor went into the woods.  Harold and James, 
the outside ferals, knew something was going on and monitored the activities.  
Toby was talking from the patio. 
 
Rheis had shown herself to be tame with a big motor.  She lived in a double 
cage unreachable to her housemates and at night in the bathroom.   No Rheis.
 
I went home and turned out my heart.  Yahmuna (FIV+) and I went to bed.  I 
pondered what I was going to say to the SPCA and search strategy for Sunday.  
 
12:46 p.m.  I heard a meow at the door and opened to see Rheis and Mama.  I put 
Yahmuna into her bedroom and went back and opened the door and Rheis came in.
 
I called Karin.
 
Rheis had never been outdoors at my home . . . had lived the free life of an 
outdoor cat.
 
HOW AND WHY?
 
Karin is a woman of great faith.  




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[Holly Shelton]

My six year old Siamese cat, Oliver tested positive for the leukemia virus back 
in December.  He's been doing great, other than having an eye infection a few 
weeks back, which cleared up pretty well. I have noticed that there is a ring 
of gray hair around the eye that had the infection. Has anyone else had that 
happen after an eye infection?  So weird.  My vet has never seen that happen.


Oliver did have a blood panel done two weeks ago as he is due for a dental next 
week.  All of the values, especially the ones that related to leukemia virus 
were great.


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[dlgegg]

JUST A GUESS, did the infection affect the hair follicles?

 Holly Shelton hsshel...@aol.com wrote: 
 My six year old Siamese cat, Oliver tested positive for the leukemia virus 
 back in December.  He's been doing great, other than having an eye infection 
 a few weeks back, which cleared up pretty well. I have noticed that there is 
 a ring of gray hair around the eye that had the infection. Has anyone else 
 had that happen after an eye infection?  So weird.  My vet has never seen 
 that happen.
 
 
 Oliver did have a blood panel done two weeks ago as he is due for a dental 
 next week.  All of the values, especially the ones that related to leukemia 
 virus were great.
 
 
 Thanks, Holly


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[Holly Shelton]

Oh, perhaps, thanks for that.  And I can't believe that I forgot to put a 
subject.



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JUST A GUESS, did the infection affect the hair follicles?

 Holly Shelton hsshel...@aol.com wrote: 
 My six year old Siamese cat, Oliver tested positive for the leukemia virus 
back in December.  He's been doing great, other than having an eye infection a 
few weeks back, which cleared up pretty well. I have noticed that there is a 
ring of gray hair around the eye that had the infection. Has anyone else had 
that happen after an eye infection?  So weird.  My vet has never seen that 
happen.
 
 
 Oliver did have a blood panel done two weeks ago as he is due for a dental 
next week.  All of the values, especially the ones that related to leukemia 
virus were great.
 
 
 Thanks, Holly


 
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[dlgegg]

Amen to that.  Thank God I have an enlightened vet.  

 Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I agree, euthanize your vet.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 23, 2012, at 9:34 PM, Christina Warden warden_christ...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:
 
  i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started 
  vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv 
  an that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. 
  just throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to 
  burry him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what 
  do i do do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u 
  have advice for me thank you tina an kids
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[john pollack]

my old vet said same thing with a 4 month old tigger... tigger passed in nov, 1 
month shy of his 5th birthday. thats why i got a new vet. tigger, 12/07-11/11 
rip buddy



 From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
Amen to that.  Thank God I have an enlightened vet.  

 Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: 
 I agree, euthanize your vet.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 23, 2012, at 9:34 PM, Christina Warden warden_christ...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:
 
  i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started 
  vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv 
  an that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. 
  just throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to 
  burry him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what 
  do i do do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u 
  have advice for me thank you tina an kids
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[Beth]

Take him to another vet ASAP. He may have a treatable condition, not related to 
FeLV. Is he lethargic? Are his gums pink? Sounds like they looked at nothing 
once the saw he was positive. I've had many positives with various illnesses 
that they have gotten over because I had a vet that looked past the FeLV status.

 
Beth

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:34 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 

i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started 
vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an 
that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just 
throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to burry 
him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what do i do 
do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u have advice 
for me thank you tina an kids
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[GRAS]

I agree with Beth - change vets immediately..this vet ought to be
euthanized!

If the cat has a fever, and it's also FeLV+, he needs antibiotics and
vitamin supplements in injection form ASAP If the cat is vomiting, it
could be many, many things.get another vet, because yours doesn't seem to
know anything.what would he do with the same symptoms if the cat were NOT
FeLV+

My vet is just treating our feral FIV+ cat that has a huge abscess on his
ear, and he's getting injectable antibiotics right now, as well as having
his ear treated. 

Natalie 

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:39 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

Take him to another vet ASAP. He may have a treatable condition, not related
to FeLV. Is he lethargic? Are his gums pink? Sounds like they looked at
nothing once the saw he was positive. I've had many positives with various
illnesses that they have gotten over because I had a vet that looked past
the FeLV status.

 
Beth

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http://www.furkids.org/ 

 

 

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From: Christina Warden warden_christ...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:34 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started
vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an
that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just
throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to burry
him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what do i
do do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u have
advice for me thank you tina an kids


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[Marcia]

I agree, euthanize your vet.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 23, 2012, at 9:34 PM, Christina Warden warden_christ...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

 i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started 
 vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an 
 that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just 
 throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to burry 
 him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what do i do 
 do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u have advice 
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[Christina Warden]

i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started 
vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an 
that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just 
throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to burry 
him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what do i do 
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[Maureen Olvey]

No - don't give up on him.  It's too early to make any decisions.  Just because 
the vet did one blood test that said he was FeLV positive that does not mean he 
will stay that way.  The test they do in the office is a first step.  An 
indicator that further testing is required.  That's all.  The vomiting could be 
from a lot of different things and isn't necessarily related to the FeLV.  

The test they do in the office can show a false positive - in other words, the 
test could be wrong.  That does happen in a small percentage of cases.  Those 
test are sensitive and can show incorrect results if not handled correctly.  
But, assuming the test is showing correct results then there are still other 
things to look at before making any decisions.  There is a possibility that the 
cat can extinguish the virus.  A percentage of cats that get the virus are 
actually able to get rid of it.  A second test called an IFA test will show 
whether the virus has progressed to the point of no return.  If that test is 
negative then the cat still has a chance to get rid of the virus so you should 
wait a couple months or so and re-test.  If that test is positive then it's not 
likely the cat will be able to get rid of the virus so you don't need to do any 
further testing.

But no matter what the test results are it doesn't mean you have to put him 
down.  You can put him down when he's suffering and there's no relief for him.  
Euthanasia is about ending pain that cannot be treated, not ending a life 
because of what could or could not happen in the future.  You just need to take 
care of him and treat his symptoms and who knows when his time will come.  Like 
I said above, the vomiting might not even be related to FeLV.  Lots of cats 
vomit for lots of different reasons.  Now you do need to figure what's wrong 
and fix it because you don't want him to become dehydrated from all the 
vomiting.  You tell that vet to figure out what's wrong and don't just assume 
he's throwing up because he has FeLV.

I'll let others chime in but don't give up yet.  Get him over this sickness and 
just treat him whenever he gets sick but don't assume he's going to die anytime 
one little thing goes wrong.  Many cats with FeLV can live several years.  I've 
heard of 8, 9 and 10 year olds that are still kicking.  Actually there are some 
that go into their teens.  If a cat contracts FeLV when it's a kitten then they 
don't do as well and many of them will die within the first 3 years.  Not all, 
but a good bit.  But adults seem to be able to deal with it for a long time.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:34:48 -0800
From: warden_christ...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started 
vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an 
that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just 
throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to burry 
him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what do i do 
do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u have advice 
for me thank you tina an kids
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[Maureen Olvey]

Actually, what I should have said was to find another vet.  Find one that knows 
more about FeLV and knows that it is not an automatic death sentence.  Find one 
that knows about the different types of tests and is open minded about FeLV and 
treating FeLV.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:12:07 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)







No - don't give up on him.  It's too early to make any decisions.  Just because 
the vet did one blood test that said he was FeLV positive that does not mean he 
will stay that way.  The test they do in the office is a first step.  An 
indicator that further testing is required.  That's all.  The vomiting could be 
from a lot of different things and isn't necessarily related to the FeLV.  

The test they do in the office can show a false positive - in other words, the 
test could be wrong.  That does happen in a small percentage of cases.  Those 
test are sensitive and can show incorrect results if not handled correctly.  
But, assuming the test is showing correct results then there are still other 
things to look at before making any decisions.  There is a possibility that the 
cat can extinguish the virus.  A percentage of cats that get the virus are 
actually able to get rid of it.  A second test called an IFA test will show 
whether the virus has progressed to the point of no return.  If that test is 
negative then the cat still has a chance to get rid of the virus so you should 
wait a couple months or so and re-test.  If that test is positive then it's not 
likely the cat will be able to get rid of the virus so you don't need to do any 
further testing.

But no matter what the test results are it doesn't mean you have to put him 
down.  You can put him down when he's suffering and there's no relief for him.  
Euthanasia is about ending pain that cannot be treated, not ending a life 
because of what could or could not happen in the future.  You just need to take 
care of him and treat his symptoms and who knows when his time will come.  Like 
I said above, the vomiting might not even be related to FeLV.  Lots of cats 
vomit for lots of different reasons.  Now you do need to figure what's wrong 
and fix it because you don't want him to become dehydrated from all the 
vomiting.  You tell that vet to figure out what's wrong and don't just assume 
he's throwing up because he has FeLV.

I'll let others chime in but don't give up yet.  Get him over this sickness and 
just treat him whenever he gets sick but don't assume he's going to die anytime 
one little thing goes wrong.  Many cats with FeLV can live several years.  I've 
heard of 8, 9 and 10 year olds that are still kicking.  Actually there are some 
that go into their teens.  If a cat contracts FeLV when it's a kitten then they 
don't do as well and many of them will die within the first 3 years.  Not all, 
but a good bit.  But adults seem to be able to deal with it for a long time.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:34:48 -0800
From: warden_christ...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started 
vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an 
that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just 
throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to burry 
him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what do i do 
do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u have advice 
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[Marta Gasper]

What are the other problems your cat has besides vomiting? I assume your vet 
came to the conclusion that your kitty had to be put down b/c he tested 
positive on an in office test? As you have heard that is unaceptable.
Or is your cat quite ill, lethargic, anemic, losing weight and is an in/out 
cat, has he come in contact with other cats with FeLV? How old is he?
Since he was tested he was not vaccinated or his vaccines are overdue?..Please 
tell us more..doesn't seem right that your vet told you he should be euthanized 
b/c he was just vomiting
Marta


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From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 4:24 AM






Actually, what I should have said was to find another vet.  Find one that knows 
more about FeLV and knows that it is not an automatic death sentence.  Find one 
that knows about the different types of tests and is open minded about FeLV and 
treating FeLV.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain





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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:12:07 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)



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No - don't give up on him.  It's too early to make any decisions.  Just because 
the vet did one blood test that said he was FeLV positive that does not mean he 
will stay that way.  The test they do in the office is a first step.  An 
indicator that further testing is required.  That's all.  The vomiting could be 
from a lot of different things and isn't necessarily related to the FeLV.  

The test they do in the office can show a false positive - in other words, the 
test could be wrong.  That does happen in a small percentage of cases.  Those 
test are sensitive and can show incorrect results if not handled correctly.  
But, assuming the test is showing correct results then there are still other 
things to look at before making any decisions.  There is a possibility that the 
cat can extinguish the virus.  A percentage of cats that get the virus are 
actually able to get rid of it.  A second test called an IFA test will show 
whether the virus has progressed to the point of no return.  If that test is 
negative then the cat still has a chance to get rid of the virus so you should 
wait a couple months or so and re-test.  If that test is positive then it's not 
likely the cat will be able to get rid of the virus so you don't need to do any 
further testing.

But no matter what the test results are it doesn't mean you have to put him 
down.  You can put him down when he's suffering and there's no relief for him.  
Euthanasia is about ending pain that cannot be treated, not ending a life 
because of what could or could not happen in the future.  You just need to take 
care of him and treat his symptoms and who knows when his time will come.  Like 
I said above, the vomiting might not even be related to FeLV.  Lots of cats 
vomit for lots of different reasons.  Now you do need to figure what's wrong 
and fix it because you don't want him to become dehydrated from all the 
vomiting.  You tell that vet to figure out what's wrong and don't just assume 
he's throwing up because he has FeLV.

I'll let others chime in but don't give up yet.  Get him over this sickness and 
just treat him whenever he gets sick but don't assume he's going to die anytime 
one little thing goes wrong.  Many cats with FeLV can live several years.  I've 
heard of 8, 9 and 10 year olds that are still kicking.  Actually there are some 
that go into their teens.  If a cat contracts FeLV when it's a kitten then they 
don't do as well and many of them will die within the first 3 years.  Not all, 
but a good bit.  But adults seem to be able to deal with it for a long time.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain





Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 19:34:48 -0800
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)



i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started 
vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an 
that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just 
throwing up they say i

Re: [Felvtalk] Cat vomiting, FeLV? was.. (no subject)

[dlgegg]

I agree, don't give up on him and get another vet's opinion.  Did your vet do 
any tests to determine the cause?  My Casey was upchucking 3 feet from her food 
bowl.  All I had to do was switch from Hill's food to Blue Buffalo whic has no 
corn, wheat or soy in it and she is doing great now. Unless Harley pounces on 
her right after eating.


 Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 What are the other problems your cat has besides vomiting? I assume your vet 
 came to the conclusion that your kitty had to be put down b/c he tested 
 positive on an in office test? As you have heard that is unaceptable.
 Or is your cat quite ill, lethargic, anemic, losing weight and is an in/out 
 cat, has he come in contact with other cats with FeLV? How old is he?
 Since he was tested he was not vaccinated or his vaccines are 
 overdue?..Please tell us more..doesn't seem right that your vet told you he 
 should be euthanized b/c he was just vomiting
 Marta
 
 
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 --- On Fri, 2/24/12, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 
 From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 4:24 AM
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Actually, what I should have said was to find another vet.  Find one that 
 knows more about FeLV and knows that it is not an automatic death sentence.  
 Find one that knows about the different types of tests and is open minded 
 about FeLV and treating FeLV.
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 
 
 
 
 
 From: molvey...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:12:07 -0500
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 No - don't give up on him.  It's too early to make any decisions.  Just 
 because the vet did one blood test that said he was FeLV positive that does 
 not mean he will stay that way.  The test they do in the office is a first 
 step.  An indicator that further testing is required.  That's all.  The 
 vomiting could be from a lot of different things and isn't necessarily 
 related to the FeLV.  
 
 The test they do in the office can show a false positive - in other words, 
 the test could be wrong.  That does happen in a small percentage of cases.  
 Those test are sensitive and can show incorrect results if not handled 
 correctly.  But, assuming the test is showing correct results then there are 
 still other things to look at before making any decisions.  There is a 
 possibility that the cat can extinguish the virus.  A percentage of cats that 
 get the virus are actually able to get rid of it.  A second test called an 
 IFA test will show whether the virus has progressed to the point of no 
 return.  If that test is negative then the cat still has a chance to get rid 
 of the virus so you should wait a couple months or so and re-test.  If that 
 test is positive then it's not likely the cat will be able to get rid of the 
 virus so you don't need to do any further testing.
 
 But no matter what the test results are it doesn't mean you have to put him 
 down.  You can put him down when he's suffering and there's no relief for 
 him.  Euthanasia is about ending pain that cannot be treated, not ending a 
 life because of what could or could not happen in the future.  You just need 
 to take care of him and treat his symptoms and who knows when his time will 
 come.  Like I said above, the vomiting might not even be related to FeLV.  
 Lots of cats vomit for lots of different reasons.  Now you do need to figure 
 what's wrong and fix it because you don't want him to become dehydrated from 
 all the vomiting.  You tell that vet to figure out what's wrong and don't 
 just assume he's throwing up because he has FeLV.
 
 I'll let others chime in but don't give up yet.  Get him over this sickness 
 and just treat him whenever he gets sick but don't assume he's going to die 
 anytime one little thing goes wrong.  Many cats with FeLV can live several 
 years.  I've heard of 8, 9 and 10 year olds that are still kicking.  Actually 
 there are some that go into their teens.  If a cat contracts FeLV when it's a 
 kitten then they don't do as well and many of them will die within the first 
 3 years.  Not all, but a good bit.  But adults seem to be able to deal with 
 it for a long time.
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward

Re: [Felvtalk] Cat vomiting, FeLV? was.. (no subject)

[MaiMaiPG]

I haven't followed this line but ...he may just need a course  
of pepcid.  I have perfectly healthy cats who need this at times.  And  
I have had to change their diets because the food was too rich or  
there was something that just didn't agree with them.  If someone put  
me down every time I threw up, I would have left this world a long  
time ago.  Please consult with a holistic vet in addition to a new  
regular vet.  I took Dixie to one (she was FeLV+) and she had a  
wonderful life.  The reuglar vets and the holistic vet co-operated  
wonderfully.

On Feb 23, 2012, at 11:44 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

I agree, don't give up on him and get another vet's opinion.  Did  
your vet do any tests to determine the cause?  My Casey was  
upchucking 3 feet from her food bowl.  All I had to do was switch  
from Hill's food to Blue Buffalo whic has no corn, wheat or soy in  
it and she is doing great now. Unless Harley pounces on her right  
after eating.



 Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com wrote:
What are the other problems your cat has besides vomiting? I assume  
your vet came to the conclusion that your kitty had to be put down  
b/c he tested positive on an in office test? As you have heard that  
is unaceptable.
Or is your cat quite ill, lethargic, anemic, losing weight and is  
an in/out cat, has he come in contact with other cats with FeLV?  
How old is he?
Since he was tested he was not vaccinated or his vaccines are  
overdue?..Please tell us more..doesn't seem right that your vet  
told you he should be euthanized b/c he was just vomiting

Marta


http://homelessnomore.webs.com/

--- On Fri, 2/24/12, Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote:


From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 4:24 AM






Actually, what I should have said was to find another vet.  Find  
one that knows more about FeLV and knows that it is not an  
automatic death sentence.  Find one that knows about the different  
types of tests and is open minded about FeLV and treating FeLV.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results  
that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it  
inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward  
it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without  
looking further.” – Mark Twain






From: molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 23:12:07 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)



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No - don't give up on him.  It's too early to make any decisions.   
Just because the vet did one blood test that said he was FeLV  
positive that does not mean he will stay that way.  The test they  
do in the office is a first step.  An indicator that further  
testing is required.  That's all.  The vomiting could be from a lot  
of different things and isn't necessarily related to the FeLV.


The test they do in the office can show a false positive - in other  
words, the test could be wrong.  That does happen in a small  
percentage of cases.  Those test are sensitive and can show  
incorrect results if not handled correctly.  But, assuming the test  
is showing correct results then there are still other things to  
look at before making any decisions.  There is a possibility that  
the cat can extinguish the virus.  A percentage of cats that get  
the virus are actually able to get rid of it.  A second test called  
an IFA test will show whether the virus has progressed to the point  
of no return.  If that test is negative then the cat still has a  
chance to get rid of the virus so you should wait a couple months  
or so and re-test.  If that test is positive then it's not likely  
the cat will be able to get rid of the virus so you don't need to  
do any further testing.


But no matter what the test results are it doesn't mean you have to  
put him down.  You can put him down when he's suffering and there's  
no relief for him.  Euthanasia is about ending pain that cannot be  
treated, not ending a life because of what could or could not  
happen in the future.  You just need to take care of him and treat  
his symptoms and who knows when his time will come.  Like I said  
above, the vomiting might not even be related to FeLV.  Lots of  
cats vomit for lots of different reasons.  Now you do need to  
figure what's wrong and fix it because you don't want him to become  
dehydrated from all the vomiting.  You tell that vet to figure out  
what's wrong and don't just assume he's throwing up because he has  
FeLV.


I'll let others chime in but don't give up yet.  Get him over this  
sickness and just treat him whenever he gets sick but don't assume  
he's going to die anytime one little

Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[GRAS]

Please remember, if you add a comment to a long list of discussions, the
message becomes too large for this group (like this one) - it came back
marked as being 'reviewed.  
Now, I will erase the bottom parts, and resend it in an updated form.

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of GRAS
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 8:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

A positive Elisa  a negative IFA means the Cat IS positive - Yes, UNLESS
the ELISA was a false positive, which means that ideally, one should retest
with the ELISA and see how it comes out (both positive or positive and
negative) and then go from there
Yes, it is amazing with all the misinformation...I remember reading things
last year that are different this year (from the same sources...) makes one
really wonder!
Natalie

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

Yes, that is correct. A positive Elisa  a negative IFA means the Cat IS
positive, the virus is just not replicating in the bone marrow yet. That's
why I worry when people get so excited about a negative IFA. It really only
means the cat may still throw off the virus.
It's strange your vet didn't make that clear. But then some vets seem
clueless when it comes to this virus. 
Hoping for the best for your babies.
Beth



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[Marcia Baronda]

Lee
Absolutely wonderful advice(-:

On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:



 Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:44 PM
   My cat Moses tested positive for FeLv.  Since I have many other cats, I
 isolated him in a room in my house, retested three months later and he
 tested negative.  That was about 6 years ago.  He's still going strong and
 happy.   If Ginger is an only cat, just allow her to continue her life,
 retest in about two or three months.  Even if she's still positive, that's
 NOT a death sentence if she's happy and free from stress and physical
 danger. Feed her good food, clean water.  Think simple.  If she has a
 problem with something, it may be just a normal cat situation, not related
 to leukemia but always have it checked out.  Most important, get a second
 opinion and a vet who is going to treat Ginger as if she has years of life
 ahead of her. Be happy and don't look at her as if she's a pending
 fatality.  Look at her the same way you have been doing all along.  A
 wonderful cat enjoying her life.

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[Lee Evans]

 
 
Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:44 PM
My cat Moses tested positive for FeLv.  Since I have many other cats, I 
isolated him in a room in my house, retested three months later and he tested 
negative.  That was about 6 years ago.  He's still going strong and happy.   If 
Ginger is an only cat, just allow her to continue her life, retest in about two 
or three months.  Even if she's still positive, that's NOT a death sentence if 
she's happy and free from stress and physical danger. Feed her good food, clean 
water.  Think simple.  If she has a problem with something, it may be just a 
normal cat situation, not related to leukemia but always have it checked out.  
Most important, get a second opinion and a vet who is going to treat Ginger as 
if she has years of life ahead of her. Be happy and don't look at her as if 
she's a pending fatality.  Look at her the same way you have been doing all 
along.  A wonderful cat enjoying her life.
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[GRAS]

Hi, everyone:

OK - I guess this is where I should come in and explain about what happened
to me, based on the note below:

If anyone can remember, about 3 1/2 yrs ago, Eliot Spitty,  was diagnosed by
the ELISA test to be FeLV positive.  I couldn't find him a home, so I found
another positive cat for him after 2 years of him being all alone (they
became close buddies almost overnight). After I joined the group, I learned
about the IFA test, had them both tested in June, they were negative.  I
introduced them to the rest of the cats (I operate a cat rescue group from
our home).  Eliot died of renal failure in September (euthanized), and Mr.
Tux being such a snuggle bunny, was adopted three weeks ago to a home where
another cat was adopted from me over 10 years ago.  A week ago, Mr. Tux
started losing appetite, and developed 105 temperature.  The woman's sister
is a veterinarian, knowing his history, she immediately tested him ELISA 
IFA - both were positive, and his virus is already in his bone marrow. They
are heartbroken because their 7-yr old daughter and Mr. Tux fell in love at
first sight - he slept under her arm, the other cat, Riley, at her side.
The cats were friendly, but not close (but as we know, FeLV is a very sneaky
virus). They will have to test Riley in about 5 weeks, Mr. Tux went to live
with the vet who has a real animal-loving 3-yr old and a dog (Mr. Tux likes
dogs). Bottom line is:  All my cats have been exposed to Eliot and Mr. Tux
since mid-June.  Since the youngest and oldest or not-so-healthy cats are at
most risk, I started with our 6-month old Hammie who was only 5 weeks old
when he came to us.  We also tested a cat that had to have another blood
tests for his ongoing renal problem - both were NEGATIVE! However, little
Hammie has a 1045.2 temperature, yet was exposed to Mr. Tux long enough to
have shown reliable results.  Hammie had an episode of unknown origin in
September, of 104.4 temperature.

I will test the youngest ones first, then the oldest and weakest.  The
middle class will come last.  I don't know what the results will be, I
hope that they're all OK - but if it isn't, I am already doing research into
natural things, changing their diets (even if it means I have to cook for
them).  I am re-reading Anitra Frazier's The New Natural Cat and Dr.
Pitcairn's Natural Health for Dogs and Cats - have had the books for years.
Will also check out my Nicholas Dodd The Cat that Cried for Help, maybe
there's some advice ion there.

The more I read about the tests, the more it becomes obvious that even if
the IFA comes back negative after a positive ELISA, it only means that the
virus just isn't in the bone marrow yet.  If the cat tests positive on ELISA
and negative on a follow-up ELISA, then the cat is negative.  Unless, of
course, the ELISA was a false positive, and again a false positive, which I
assume can also happen - there are so many variables, and it's a shame that
so many false positives occur, and so many vets tell people to euthanize
their cats just because they have tested positive.

I have privately sent some info I found to the other two who have reported
cats diagnosed with FeLV, too large to send to this group. I will send it to
Lee as well.

I am keeping my hopes up that my household won't become a FeLV clinic..

Natalie

=^..^=

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 4:31 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

 

 

Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:44 PM

My cat Moses tested positive for FeLv.  Since I have many other cats, I
isolated him in a room in my house, retested three months later and he
tested negative.  That was about 6 years ago.  He's still going strong and
happy.   If Ginger is an only cat, just allow her to continue her life,
retest in about two or three months.  Even if she's still positive, that's
NOT a death sentence if she's happy and free from stress and physical
danger. Feed her good food, clean water.  Think simple.  If she has a
problem with something, it may be just a normal cat situation, not related
to leukemia but always have it checked out.  Most important, get a second
opinion and a vet who is going to treat Ginger as if she has years of life
ahead of her. Be happy and don't look at her as if she's a pending fatality.
Look at her the same way you have been doing all along.  A wonderful cat
enjoying her life.



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[Beth]

Yes, that is correct. A positive Elisa  a negative IFA means the Cat IS 
positive, the virus is just not replicating in the bone marrow yet. That's why 
I worry when people get so excited about a negative IFA. It really only means 
the cat may still throw off the virus.
It's strange your vet didn't make that clear. But then some vets seem clueless 
when it comes to this virus. 
Hoping for the best for your babies.
Beth

GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:

Hi, everyone:

OK - I guess this is where I should come in and explain about what happened
to me, based on the note below:

If anyone can remember, about 3 1/2 yrs ago, Eliot Spitty,  was diagnosed by
the ELISA test to be FeLV positive.  I couldn't find him a home, so I found
another positive cat for him after 2 years of him being all alone (they
became close buddies almost overnight). After I joined the group, I learned
about the IFA test, had them both tested in June, they were negative.  I
introduced them to the rest of the cats (I operate a cat rescue group from
our home).  Eliot died of renal failure in September (euthanized), and Mr.
Tux being such a snuggle bunny, was adopted three weeks ago to a home where
another cat was adopted from me over 10 years ago.  A week ago, Mr. Tux
started losing appetite, and developed 105 temperature.  The woman's sister
is a veterinarian, knowing his history, she immediately tested him ELISA 
IFA - both were positive, and his virus is already in his bone marrow. They
are heartbroken because their 7-yr old daughter and Mr. Tux fell in love at
first sight - he slept under her arm, the other cat, Riley, at her side.
The cats were friendly, but not close (but as we know, FeLV is a very sneaky
virus). They will have to test Riley in about 5 weeks, Mr. Tux went to live
with the vet who has a real animal-loving 3-yr old and a dog (Mr. Tux likes
dogs). Bottom line is:  All my cats have been exposed to Eliot and Mr. Tux
since mid-June.  Since the youngest and oldest or not-so-healthy cats are at
most risk, I started with our 6-month old Hammie who was only 5 weeks old
when he came to us.  We also tested a cat that had to have another blood
tests for his ongoing renal problem - both were NEGATIVE! However, little
Hammie has a 1045.2 temperature, yet was exposed to Mr. Tux long enough to
have shown reliable results.  Hammie had an episode of unknown origin in
September, of 104.4 temperature.

I will test the youngest ones first, then the oldest and weakest.  The
middle class will come last.  I don't know what the results will be, I
hope that they're all OK - but if it isn't, I am already doing research into
natural things, changing their diets (even if it means I have to cook for
them).  I am re-reading Anitra Frazier's The New Natural Cat and Dr.
Pitcairn's Natural Health for Dogs and Cats - have had the books for years.
Will also check out my Nicholas Dodd The Cat that Cried for Help, maybe
there's some advice ion there.

The more I read about the tests, the more it becomes obvious that even if
the IFA comes back negative after a positive ELISA, it only means that the
virus just isn't in the bone marrow yet.  If the cat tests positive on ELISA
and negative on a follow-up ELISA, then the cat is negative.  Unless, of
course, the ELISA was a false positive, and again a false positive, which I
assume can also happen - there are so many variables, and it's a shame that
so many false positives occur, and so many vets tell people to euthanize
their cats just because they have tested positive.

I have privately sent some info I found to the other two who have reported
cats diagnosed with FeLV, too large to send to this group. I will send it to
Lee as well.

I am keeping my hopes up that my household won't become a FeLV clinic..

Natalie

=^..^=

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 4:31 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

 

 

Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:44 PM

My cat Moses tested positive for FeLv.  Since I have many other cats, I
isolated him in a room in my house, retested three months later and he
tested negative.  That was about 6 years ago.  He's still going strong and
happy.   If Ginger is an only cat, just allow her to continue her life,
retest in about two or three months.  Even if she's still positive, that's
NOT a death sentence if she's happy and free from stress and physical
danger. Feed her good food, clean water.  Think simple.  If she has a
problem with something, it may be just a normal cat situation, not related
to leukemia but always have it checked out.  Most important, get a second
opinion and a vet who is going to treat Ginger as if she has years of life
ahead of her. Be happy and don't look at her as if she's a pending fatality.
Look at her the same way you have been doing all along.  A wonderful cat
enjoying her life.




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[GRAS]

A positive Elisa  a negative IFA means the Cat IS positive - Yes, UNLESS
the ELISA was a false positive, which means that ideally, one should retest
with the ELISA and see how it comes out (both positive or positive and
negative) and then go from there
Yes, it is amazing with all the misinformation...I remember reading things
last year that are different this year (from the same sources...) makes one
really wonder!
Natalie

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

Yes, that is correct. A positive Elisa  a negative IFA means the Cat IS
positive, the virus is just not replicating in the bone marrow yet. That's
why I worry when people get so excited about a negative IFA. It really only
means the cat may still throw off the virus.
It's strange your vet didn't make that clear. But then some vets seem
clueless when it comes to this virus. 
Hoping for the best for your babies.
Beth

GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:

Hi, everyone:

OK - I guess this is where I should come in and explain about what 
happened to me, based on the note below:

If anyone can remember, about 3 1/2 yrs ago, Eliot Spitty,  was 
diagnosed by the ELISA test to be FeLV positive.  I couldn't find him a 
home, so I found another positive cat for him after 2 years of him 
being all alone (they became close buddies almost overnight). After I 
joined the group, I learned about the IFA test, had them both tested in 
June, they were negative.  I introduced them to the rest of the cats (I 
operate a cat rescue group from our home).  Eliot died of renal failure in
September (euthanized), and Mr.
Tux being such a snuggle bunny, was adopted three weeks ago to a home 
where another cat was adopted from me over 10 years ago.  A week ago, 
Mr. Tux started losing appetite, and developed 105 temperature.  The 
woman's sister is a veterinarian, knowing his history, she immediately 
tested him ELISA  IFA - both were positive, and his virus is already 
in his bone marrow. They are heartbroken because their 7-yr old 
daughter and Mr. Tux fell in love at first sight - he slept under her arm,
the other cat, Riley, at her side.
The cats were friendly, but not close (but as we know, FeLV is a very 
sneaky virus). They will have to test Riley in about 5 weeks, Mr. Tux 
went to live with the vet who has a real animal-loving 3-yr old and a 
dog (Mr. Tux likes dogs). Bottom line is:  All my cats have been 
exposed to Eliot and Mr. Tux since mid-June.  Since the youngest and 
oldest or not-so-healthy cats are at most risk, I started with our 
6-month old Hammie who was only 5 weeks old when he came to us.  We 
also tested a cat that had to have another blood tests for his ongoing 
renal problem - both were NEGATIVE! However, little Hammie has a 1045.2 
temperature, yet was exposed to Mr. Tux long enough to have shown 
reliable results.  Hammie had an episode of unknown origin in September, of
104.4 temperature.

I will test the youngest ones first, then the oldest and weakest.  The 
middle class will come last.  I don't know what the results will be, 
I hope that they're all OK - but if it isn't, I am already doing 
research into natural things, changing their diets (even if it means I 
have to cook for them).  I am re-reading Anitra Frazier's The New Natural
Cat and Dr.
Pitcairn's Natural Health for Dogs and Cats - have had the books for years.
Will also check out my Nicholas Dodd The Cat that Cried for Help, maybe 
there's some advice ion there.

The more I read about the tests, the more it becomes obvious that even 
if the IFA comes back negative after a positive ELISA, it only means 
that the virus just isn't in the bone marrow yet.  If the cat tests 
positive on ELISA and negative on a follow-up ELISA, then the cat is 
negative.  Unless, of course, the ELISA was a false positive, and again 
a false positive, which I assume can also happen - there are so many 
variables, and it's a shame that so many false positives occur, and so 
many vets tell people to euthanize their cats just because they have tested
positive.

I have privately sent some info I found to the other two who have 
reported cats diagnosed with FeLV, too large to send to this group. I 
will send it to Lee as well.

I am keeping my hopes up that my household won't become a FeLV clinic..

Natalie

=^..^=

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 4:31 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

 

 

 

Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:44 PM

My cat Moses tested positive for FeLv.  Since I have many other cats, I 
isolated him in a room in my house, retested three months later and he 
tested negative.  That was about 6 years ago.  He's still going strong and
happy.   If Ginger is an only cat, just

Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Beth]

Yes, alwsys retest on a positive SNAP test, but there seems to be a lot of 
people who think a negstive IFA means the cat is negative. Thats just as scary 
as people not understanding to always retest a positive.

GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:

A positive Elisa  a negative IFA means the Cat IS positive - Yes, UNLESS
the ELISA was a false positive, which means that ideally, one should retest
with the ELISA and see how it comes out (both positive or positive and
negative) and then go from there
Yes, it is amazing with all the misinformation...I remember reading things
last year that are different this year (from the same sources...) makes one
really wonder!
Natalie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Yes, that is correct. A positive Elisa  a negative IFA means the Cat IS
positive, the virus is just not replicating in the bone marrow yet. That's
why I worry when people get so excited about a negative IFA. It really only
means the cat may still throw off the virus.
It's strange your vet didn't make that clear. But then some vets seem
clueless when it comes to this virus. 
Hoping for the best for your babies.
Beth

GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:

Hi, everyone:

OK - I guess this is where I should come in and explain about what 
happened to me, based on the note below:

If anyone can remember, about 3 1/2 yrs ago, Eliot Spitty,  was 
diagnosed by the ELISA test to be FeLV positive.  I couldn't find him a 
home, so I found another positive cat for him after 2 years of him 
being all alone (they became close buddies almost overnight). After I 
joined the group, I learned about the IFA test, had them both tested in 
June, they were negative.  I introduced them to the rest of the cats (I 
operate a cat rescue group from our home).  Eliot died of renal failure in
September (euthanized), and Mr.
Tux being such a snuggle bunny, was adopted three weeks ago to a home 
where another cat was adopted from me over 10 years ago.  A week ago, 
Mr. Tux started losing appetite, and developed 105 temperature.  The 
woman's sister is a veterinarian, knowing his history, she immediately 
tested him ELISA  IFA - both were positive, and his virus is already 
in his bone marrow. They are heartbroken because their 7-yr old 
daughter and Mr. Tux fell in love at first sight - he slept under her arm,
the other cat, Riley, at her side.
The cats were friendly, but not close (but as we know, FeLV is a very 
sneaky virus). They will have to test Riley in about 5 weeks, Mr. Tux 
went to live with the vet who has a real animal-loving 3-yr old and a 
dog (Mr. Tux likes dogs). Bottom line is:  All my cats have been 
exposed to Eliot and Mr. Tux since mid-June.  Since the youngest and 
oldest or not-so-healthy cats are at most risk, I started with our 
6-month old Hammie who was only 5 weeks old when he came to us.  We 
also tested a cat that had to have another blood tests for his ongoing 
renal problem - both were NEGATIVE! However, little Hammie has a 1045.2 
temperature, yet was exposed to Mr. Tux long enough to have shown 
reliable results.  Hammie had an episode of unknown origin in September, of
104.4 temperature.

I will test the youngest ones first, then the oldest and weakest.  The 
middle class will come last.  I don't know what the results will be, 
I hope that they're all OK - but if it isn't, I am already doing 
research into natural things, changing their diets (even if it means I 
have to cook for them).  I am re-reading Anitra Frazier's The New Natural
Cat and Dr.
Pitcairn's Natural Health for Dogs and Cats - have had the books for years.
Will also check out my Nicholas Dodd The Cat that Cried for Help, maybe 
there's some advice ion there.

The more I read about the tests, the more it becomes obvious that even 
if the IFA comes back negative after a positive ELISA, it only means 
that the virus just isn't in the bone marrow yet.  If the cat tests 
positive on ELISA and negative on a follow-up ELISA, then the cat is 
negative.  Unless, of course, the ELISA was a false positive, and again 
a false positive, which I assume can also happen - there are so many 
variables, and it's a shame that so many false positives occur, and so 
many vets tell people to euthanize their cats just because they have tested
positive.

I have privately sent some info I found to the other two who have 
reported cats diagnosed with FeLV, too large to send to this group. I 
will send it to Lee as well.

I am keeping my hopes up that my household won't become a FeLV clinic..

Natalie

=^..^=

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 4:31 PM
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Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:44 PM

My cat Moses

Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Maureen Olvey]

Natalie,

It could be that Mr. Tux had the FeLV virus but it was dormant.  When it is 
dormant they won't test positive on either test and they can't spread it.  
Maybe the stress of changing homes re-activated the virus.  If that was the 
case then none of your cats have been exposed to it.  Let's hope it was 
something like that so none of your cats have been exposed and they will all be 
negative.

Maureen

 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 21:30:30 -0500
 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
 Yes, alwsys retest on a positive SNAP test, but there seems to be a lot of 
 people who think a negstive IFA means the cat is negative. Thats just as 
 scary as people not understanding to always retest a positive.
 
 GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 A positive Elisa  a negative IFA means the Cat IS positive - Yes, UNLESS
 the ELISA was a false positive, which means that ideally, one should retest
 with the ELISA and see how it comes out (both positive or positive and
 negative) and then go from there
 Yes, it is amazing with all the misinformation...I remember reading things
 last year that are different this year (from the same sources...) makes one
 really wonder!
 Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:22 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 
 Yes, that is correct. A positive Elisa  a negative IFA means the Cat IS
 positive, the virus is just not replicating in the bone marrow yet. That's
 why I worry when people get so excited about a negative IFA. It really only
 means the cat may still throw off the virus.
 It's strange your vet didn't make that clear. But then some vets seem
 clueless when it comes to this virus. 
 Hoping for the best for your babies.
 Beth
 
 GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 Hi, everyone:
 
 OK - I guess this is where I should come in and explain about what 
 happened to me, based on the note below:
 
 If anyone can remember, about 3 1/2 yrs ago, Eliot Spitty,  was 
 diagnosed by the ELISA test to be FeLV positive.  I couldn't find him a 
 home, so I found another positive cat for him after 2 years of him 
 being all alone (they became close buddies almost overnight). After I 
 joined the group, I learned about the IFA test, had them both tested in 
 June, they were negative.  I introduced them to the rest of the cats (I 
 operate a cat rescue group from our home).  Eliot died of renal failure in
 September (euthanized), and Mr.
 Tux being such a snuggle bunny, was adopted three weeks ago to a home 
 where another cat was adopted from me over 10 years ago.  A week ago, 
 Mr. Tux started losing appetite, and developed 105 temperature.  The 
 woman's sister is a veterinarian, knowing his history, she immediately 
 tested him ELISA  IFA - both were positive, and his virus is already 
 in his bone marrow. They are heartbroken because their 7-yr old 
 daughter and Mr. Tux fell in love at first sight - he slept under her arm,
 the other cat, Riley, at her side.
 The cats were friendly, but not close (but as we know, FeLV is a very 
 sneaky virus). They will have to test Riley in about 5 weeks, Mr. Tux 
 went to live with the vet who has a real animal-loving 3-yr old and a 
 dog (Mr. Tux likes dogs). Bottom line is:  All my cats have been 
 exposed to Eliot and Mr. Tux since mid-June.  Since the youngest and 
 oldest or not-so-healthy cats are at most risk, I started with our 
 6-month old Hammie who was only 5 weeks old when he came to us.  We 
 also tested a cat that had to have another blood tests for his ongoing 
 renal problem - both were NEGATIVE! However, little Hammie has a 1045.2 
 temperature, yet was exposed to Mr. Tux long enough to have shown 
 reliable results.  Hammie had an episode of unknown origin in September, of
 104.4 temperature.
 
 I will test the youngest ones first, then the oldest and weakest.  The 
 middle class will come last.  I don't know what the results will be, 
 I hope that they're all OK - but if it isn't, I am already doing 
 research into natural things, changing their diets (even if it means I 
 have to cook for them).  I am re-reading Anitra Frazier's The New Natural
 Cat and Dr.
 Pitcairn's Natural Health for Dogs and Cats - have had the books for years.
 Will also check out my Nicholas Dodd The Cat that Cried for Help, maybe 
 there's some advice ion there.
 
 The more I read about the tests, the more it becomes obvious that even 
 if the IFA comes back negative after a positive ELISA, it only means 
 that the virus just isn't in the bone marrow yet.  If the cat tests 
 positive on ELISA and negative on a follow-up ELISA, then the cat is 
 negative.  Unless, of course, the ELISA was a false positive, and again 
 a false positive, which I assume can also happen - there are so many 
 variables, and it's a shame that so

Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[dlgegg]

My 2 felv cats are part of a 7 cat pride.  They share everything
, have an occassional boxing. hissing match, go outside (usually for 2 hrs) in 
nice weather and get lots of attention, love .  The others all get their 
vaccination for felv.  They have been together for almost 5 years now and all 
are health, happy, contented cats.  I think the most important factors are good 
food, love, lack of stress  and prompt vet care.  My 2 girls couldn't be 
healthier, sleek, shiny coats, well muscled and spoiled rotten.  Don't despair. 
 Love them and lt them enjoy the life they are meant to have, that is ll we can 
do.  The rest is up to God.

 Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: 
  
 
Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:44 PM
My cat Moses tested positive for FeLv.  Since I have many other cats, I 
isolated him in a room in my house, retested three months later and he tested 
negative.  That was about 6 years ago.  He's still going strong and happy.   If 
Ginger is an only cat, just allow her to continue her life, retest in about two 
or three months.  Even if she's still positive, that's NOT a death sentence if 
she's happy and free from stress and physical danger. Feed her good food, clean 
water.  Think simple.  If she has a problem with something, it may be just a 
normal cat situation, not related to leukemia but always have it checked out.  
Most important, get a second opinion and a vet who is going to treat Ginger as 
if she has years of life ahead of her. Be happy and don't look at her as if 
she's a pending fatality.  Look at her the same way you have been doing all 
along.  A wonderful cat enjoying her life.



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[Natalie]

It seems that Christy's address book was hacked; this is the second one this
afternoon/evening - they are probably sending this to all her personal
contacts. It always has to do with those cheap pharmaceutical sites.
This happened to several friends of ours...not sure what they did about it,
though.
Natalie

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[Dawn Bartholomew]

My Buddy Cat died in September from FeLV.  I finally found another kitty that I 
would like to adopt from a shelter from KY near Lexington.
I live in PA.  Does anyone live near Lexington?  I would be willing to pay for 
gas and an extra $100 if someone can drive half way (4-5 hours) and meet me.
I want to surprise my daughter and husband for Christmas.

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[Katy Doyle]

Umm... I live 20 minutes from Lexington. I'm driving to Cincinnati area the 
evening of the 22nd. But that is as far as I can drive the cat.

Call if you want me to do that leg of the transport. 502-545-8025

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 19, 2010, at 4:05 PM, Dawn Bartholomew dba...@ptd.net wrote:

 My Buddy Cat died in September from FeLV.  I finally found another kitty that 
 I would like to adopt from a shelter from KY near Lexington.
 I live in PA.  Does anyone live near Lexington?  I would be willing to pay 
 for gas and an extra $100 if someone can drive half way (4-5 hours) and meet 
 me.
 I want to surprise my daughter and husband for Christmas.
 
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[Felvtalk] Subject: Re: Spanky has large cell lymphoma

[Stacy Zacher]

Thank you for your replies Belinda. We are on the lymphoma list - this is kind 
of what convinced me to take him to the oncologist today to see what she 
thought.  She basically said that given his status, chemo (various protocols) 
could buy him 2-3 more months on average and that 50% of cats statistically 
will do better than that and some worse and of course that all cats may respond 
differently.  

We have an appt Monday for the first chemo IV (UW Madison CHOP protocol) but I 
can cancel it also. I am going to think on this over the weekend. The main 
thing is that he has quality of life. Last week on Tues and Wed I thought he 
was dying on me.  A week of prenisolone, he is a different cat for the better. 
I know that won't last unless I try something else like chemo or other 
treatment.  I don't have any false hopes.  I can just say I'm grateful for all 
the feedback you've given and that everyone on this group has given us.  It 
helps so much that you don't feel like you are going through it alone 
(unfortunate that we all have to be here though because of the 
circumstances).   

I know I need to decide by Monday if he's going through the chemo or not 
because his form is aggressive and the cells will become smart to the 
prednisolone. So far just from the pred, the tumor shrank about 30%.  The vet 
was hoping for more but the fact that it did respond was good she said. His 
cancer is a mediastinal cranial mass just behind his armpit - it originally was 
about 2.5cm and shrank 30% at least whatever that is in size now.  
Purrs, Spanky and Stacy
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2010 10:34:24 -0800
From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spanky has large cell lymphoma
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    Stacy,
  I don't know if you already are on the feline lymphoma list but if you 
aren't i would suggest it, it is a wonderful list for support and 
treatment options.  You can find it here if you are interested:

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline_lymphoma/


  
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[Stacy Zacher]

Thank you so much Bonnie. We will definitely try to keep positive! 
Stacy

Message: 2
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 12:28:57 -0800
From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
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Stacy  Spanky
Stay firm in your positive thoughts, making the best of all options.  Your 
love will see you through!
Long life and happiness to you both.
~Bonnie

stacy_zac...@yahoo.com


  
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[Felvtalk] Subject: Re: Spanky has large cell lymphoma

[Stacy Zacher]

Oh Dawn I am so sorry about your little Buddy Cat (I actually call Spanky 
little Buddy!) Your poor baby was too young to go through all of that  - I'll 
never understand the rhyme or reason for things like this to happen.    It 
sounds like your little Buddy was so lucky to have found you.  I am so sorry 
about your vet manhandling him. My vet didn't even want to tap Spanky and 
suggested I go to the ER to have them do it where they do it all the time so we 
did that earlier this week.   I hope in time you will heal when you think of 
Buddy even though I know how difficult and painful it has to be to remember it 
all.  
Thank you for sharing your story with us.

Message: 3
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 15:48:12 -0500
From: Dawn Bartholomew dba...@ptd.net
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Stacy,
I joined this group several months ago, and as sad as this is, all the FeLV+ 
with lymphoma die in a short period of time.  My little Buddy Cat was just 
over a year old when he died 9/23/10.  He was a stray we got when he was 6 
weeks old 9/09 and was very sickly.  He recouped real quick.  At this time I 
knew nothing of FeLV or lymphoma.  12/09 he was neutered and did great.  In 
June 2010 he had 2 large lymph nodes and was diagnosed with FeLV.  July, 
August September, we did absolutely everything not even weighing out the 
financial cost.  We truly loved this kitty and he was very special.  We 
tried LCTI, interferon, homeopathic, lasix, rutin, vitamins and chemo.  He 
had a will to live and didn't want to die.
His chest filled up with fluid several times and I had him tapped.  The last 
time I took him to be tapped the vet killed him, she manhandled him.
The chemo, pred and LCTI did help, but even with chemo it only extends the 
life for a short time.  Felv + with lymphoma is a double whammy.  I think 
one without the other is treatable and they can live much longer.  I am 
sorry to seems so cold about this, my heart is still very broken 2 1/2 
months later.  We would have spent/did anyhting to save our Buddy Cat.

Dawn



  
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[Felvtalk] Subject: Re: Spanky has large cell lymphoma

[Stacy Zacher]

Hi Sharyl - thank you for your reply. Excellent point on the nutrition. I 
actually supplement his food with assist feeding meat only baby food (beechnut) 
and I have an issue with him being super picky about canned foods. He will only 
seem to eat one flavor of Wellness!  I often put the flavors he doesn't like in 
my food processor and blend it down so I can syringe some to him in addition to 
what he's eating.  I will look at some kitten food for him too. Do you know 
offhand of some higher calorie canned foods I could look at getting him? 
I will check out the assist feeding group. 

Thanks so much
Stacy

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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 14:30:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

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Stacy,
 you've gotten lots of advise on treating the lymphoma.  I just wanted 
to add the importance of feeding Spanky.  Cancer cells consume a lot of 
calories.  Spanky will need 1 1/2 to 2 times his normal calories to help
 him fight the cancer.  You may need to increase the amount you assist 
feed him to get the calories into him.  You can use higher calories 
canned foods, add meat baby food (no onions or garlic) to his canned 
foods, try some high calorie kitten foods, etc. to increase the calories
 per oz of food.

There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group that may be of help.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/

You both are in our thoughts and prayers
Sharyl

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 From: Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Spanky has large cell lymphoma
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 11:31 AM
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[Felvtalk] Subject: Re: Spanky has large cell lymphoma

[Stacy Zacher]

Thanks Melinda, I appreciate your feedback.  Yes, I feel like what have I got 
to lose at this point...(besides my $ which doesn't mean anything compared to 
him). I am very lucky to live near the ER vet clinic which has specialists and 
the oncologist just started last week replacing one who moved awayso she 
spent 1.5+ hours with us discussing options today and getting to know Spanky 
and his history. 

Which chemo protocol is Fuji on? Are you on the lymphoma list also? Several 
people use the AC-11 by Solgar for the kitties to increase the WBC.  I bought 
some and my vet wanted to see some info on it.  Let me know if you want more 
info. 
Good luck to you and Fuji also.Sending healing waves to you!!!
Thanks again
Stacy and Spanky

Message: 8
Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 09:16:00 +0900
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Stacy,

I
 am sorry to hear your outcome.  Since I am currently going through the 
same thing I can understand all of your concerns.  It looks like his WBC
 count is OK, my vet would definitely do a treatment with it that high! 
 You have the added benefit of having an oncologist at your disposal.  
If she recommends a chemo protocol, I would definitely give it a try.  
As someone else said, you really don't have anything to lose.  Through 
all of my research, I have found that because the chemo is such a low 
dose, it causes very few immediate side affects.  At best, you will 
shrink the tumor and prolong his life, making him more comfortable in 
the process.  At worst, it won't work and he will continue as is causing
 you to possibly have to make a decision about letting him go.  As 
someone who has had a positive experience, I highly encourage the chemo.

Only
 you and Spanky can decide what is best for him.  I've heard many people
 say that he will let you know when he is ready to move on.  As for 
myself and my Fuji cat, I believe I may be learning as well.  She was 
due to go in today to have her blood tested, which the vet does by 
starting an IV (she doesn't much care for it.)  If her WBC count is high
 enough she would get another treatment.  Historically, over the last 2 
months that count has been very low.  Right now she is eating, playing, 
purring and last night even slept with my husband and I (she only does 
that when she feels good!)  I have decided to wait until next week to 
take her in.  It will give her a longer recovery period, increasing her 
chances of having another treatment.  Otherwise, she would go through 
the test for nothing and have to return in 10 days for another test.  In
 the past, I've rushed to get her in hoping for the best and being 
disappointed when she couldn't be treated.  I think she will be happier 
this way.

I wish you the best of luck. 

Melinda, Fuji and baby VooDoo


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Re: Spanky has large cell lymphoma

[Sharyl]

Stacy,
Here is a link to some calorie info on canned foods.
http://binkyspage.tripod.com/CanFoodNew.html

Usually kitten canned foods are higher in calories.  I blend a jar of meat baby 
food with the pate style canned I am going to syringe feed instead of using 
water to dilute the food.  Wellness is usually one of the higher calorie foods.

Sharyl  

--- On Fri, 12/3/10, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Subject: Re:  Spanky has large cell lymphoma
 To: FELVTalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, December 3, 2010, 6:01 PM
 Hi Sharyl - thank you for your reply.
 Excellent point on the nutrition. I actually supplement his
 food with assist feeding meat only baby food (beechnut) and
 I have an issue with him being super picky about canned
 foods. He will only seem to eat one flavor of Wellness!  I
 often put the flavors he doesn't like in my food processor
 and blend it down so I can syringe some to him in addition
 to what he's eating.  I will look at some kitten food for
 him too. Do you know offhand of some higher calorie canned
 foods I could look at getting him? 
 I will check out the assist feeding group. 
 
 Thanks so much
 Stacy
 
 Message: 7
 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 14:30:02 -0800 (PST)
 From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
 Message-ID: 958945.16656...@web36901.mail.mud.yahoo.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
 
 Stacy,
  you've gotten lots of advise on treating the lymphoma.  I
 just wanted 
 to add the importance of feeding Spanky.  Cancer cells
 consume a lot of 
 calories.  Spanky will need 1 1/2 to 2 times his normal
 calories to help
  him fight the cancer.  You may need to increase the
 amount you assist 
 feed him to get the calories into him.  You can use higher
 calories 
 canned foods, add meat baby food (no onions or garlic) to
 his canned 
 foods, try some high calorie kitten foods, etc. to increase
 the calories
  per oz of food.
 
 There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group that may be of help.
 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/
 
 You both are in our thoughts and prayers
 Sharyl
 
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  Subject: [Felvtalk] Spanky has large cell lymphoma
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  Date: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 11:31 AM
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Re: [Felvtalk] Subject: Spanky has large cell lymphoma

[Melinda Kerr]

After a bit of searching, I found the actual protocol where I had written it on 
the Lymphoma group on Yahoo.   

CVT X

I've searched again and haven't found the link where I originally found the 
protocol.  My Japanese vet gave me a sheet written in Japanese.  However, each 
time he did a treatment, he gave me the paper that came with the medicine so 
that I would know which medicine he used.  Someone said it sounded like a 
modified UWM.

I hope whatever you try works for you.

Melinda and Fuji


On 04 Dec, 2010,at 08:06 AM, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com wrote:

Thanks Melinda, I appreciate your feedback.  Yes, I feel like what have I got to lose at this point...(besides my $ which doesn't mean anything compared to him). I am very lucky to live near the ER vet clinic which has specialists and the oncologist just started last week replacing one who moved awayso she spent 1.5+ hours with us discussing options today and getting to know Spanky and his history. 

Which chemo protocol is Fuji on? Are you on the lymphoma list also? Several people use the AC-11 by Solgar for the kitties to increase the WBC.  I bought some and my vet wanted to see some info on it.  Let me know if you want more info. 
Good luck to you and Fuji also.Sending healing waves to you!!!

Thanks again
Stacy and Spanky

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Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 09:16:00 +0900
From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spanky has large cell lymphoma
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Stacy,

I
am sorry to hear your outcome.  Since I am currently going through the 
same thing I can understand all of your concerns.  It looks like his WBC

count is OK, my vet would definitely do a treatment with it that high! 
You have the added benefit of having an oncologist at your disposal.  
If she recommends a chemo protocol, I would definitely give it a try.  
As someone else said, you really don't have anything to lose.  Through 
all of my research, I have found that because the chemo is such a low 
dose, it causes very few immediate side affects.  At best, you will 
shrink the tumor and prolong his life, making him more comfortable in 
the process.  At worst, it won't work and he will continue as is causing
you to possibly have to make a decision about letting him go.  As 
someone who has had a positive experience, I highly encourage the chemo.


Only
you and Spanky can decide what is best for him.  I've heard many people
say that he will let you know when he is ready to move on.  As for 
myself and my Fuji cat, I believe I may be learning as well.  She was 
due to go in today to have her blood tested, which the vet does by 
starting an IV (she doesn't much care for it.)  If her WBC count is high
enough she would get another treatment.  Historically, over the last 2 
months that count has been very low.  Right now she is eating, playing, 
purring and last night even slept with my husband and I (she only does 
that when she feels good!)  I have decided to wait until next week to 
take her in.  It will give her a longer recovery period, increasing her 
chances of having another treatment.  Otherwise, she would go through 
the test for nothing and have to return in 10 days for another test.  In
the past, I've rushed to get her in hoping for the best and being 
disappointed when she couldn't be treated.  I think she will be happier 
this way.


I wish you the best of luck. 


Melinda, Fuji and baby VooDoo



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