OT: Question about outdoor cat

2007-10-04 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

This is my final question I promise.  But it's been looming over my head for a 
long time now and it's really distressing me.  I know I have told you all that 
my street has neighborhood 24/7 outdoor cats that technically belong to a lady 
a few houses up from me.  But all the neighbors kind of look after them and 
some feed/keep water out.  The lady who brought them to the street rescued 
them from her sister- whom she said wasn't taking care of them- the sister had 
not spayed/neutered.  She got connected with one of the local agencies and had 
them all fixed for a discount (she is low income).  She already has five indoor 
cats so these cats became outdoor cats.  Almost all of them have clipped ears 
(except one) that show they have been fixed.  Some of them started out as 
indoor/outdoor and then I guess found they liked being like colony cats better 
so they pretty much stay out year round.  She has a front porch where she has 
boxes set up for them in the winter, etc.  They are all male, except for one.   
 
 
I started feeding them too myself when I moved to the street over a year ago 
because I didn't know the situation- were they homeless, etc.?  I finally got 
the whole story.  There is one, a little girl who I call, Lil Girl who pretty 
much has re-transplanted herself to my property.  I treated her for tapeworms 
and I have been giving her Advantage thru the summer.  I was worried about her 
being so small, even tho she's about 5 yo, so I kept feeding her quality food 
to beef her up, even after determining her sort-of home situation.  But now she 
is a permanent resident pretty much at my front door.  She is there every 
morning waiting for me and in the evening. It so sad because I do not own my 
house and my landlord needs his house back and I am moving the weekend after 
next.  I don't know what to do?  The other outdoor cats who I feed are just 
occasional visitors-- they will be fine without me and I will have a talk with 
all the neighbors about calling me if something happens and I was going to 
leave a couple bags of expensive, quality food with the lady up the street to 
feed them, etc.  I know I will stop by a lot to check on them because I am very 
tied to the neighborhood by exercise classes I attend, etc.  But I am really 
upset about the Lil Girl.  I can't tell if she just hangs out with me and at my 
house JUST BECAUSE I feed her and she likes my food better or because she likes 
me?  I worry about the effect of my leaving on her?  She'll be waiting for me 
the next morning and I won't show?  My landlord is allergic to cats and I doubt 
he will be feeding them (I have to have a talk with him about at least being 
nice to them tho and letting him know they will be at the door for a while 
until they figure it out.  He's young and a hippy/nature person, so he will 
be cool about it, he just won't be the cat-person that I was).  But everytime I 
think about Lil Girl, I just want to cry.  She's beautiful, but she's a top 
banana- she's runs roughshod over the much larger outdoor boy cats- three and 4 
times her size!  It's already going to be crazy enough at my mom's house trying 
to integrate my declawed Izzee with my mom's hissing, scratching Tally, my 
mom's new Humane Society dog who doesn't like Tally/cats and is still trying to 
kill Tally (they are working on it) and then my three crated foster kitties!  
Ironically, I think the foster kitties will have the smoothest transition!  
They don't ask for much!  My mom and I have gone round and round about what to 
do about Lil Girl b/c my mom likes her too and worries about her.  Before I got 
the foster kittens, I thought about taking her with me.  I'm pretty sure the 
lady up the street would let me have her b/c that would be one less 
mouthbut I don't know if Lil Girl could become a house cat?  Would she be 
happy, or is there some colony-cat psychology that I would be interfering with? 
 I fear she would kill Izzee and Tally given the chance-- or at least beat them 
up.  Lil Girl is not feral tho- I can pick her up and hold her- tho it's not 
her fave thing.  She seems to just perfer to be outside, so it's like she's 
somewhere in between, so she presents such a problem for me!?
 
I just don't know what to do?  I need advice!  Reassurance?
 
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RE: a bit of happy mews: and OT question

2007-09-12 Thread Melissa Lind
Susan, Do you mean for shopping for cat food and litter? We get the litter
from Target (Fresh Step crystals) and the food from the vet. We have to give
prescription food (Science Diet CD) to Bandit, so they all get it. Penelope
(baby) gets kitten food as much as we can.

 

If I need other stuff like toys, Target is good. Otherwise, I order stuff
on-line like our hair ball lick stick, cleaning spray, cat nip, etc. I don't
give supplements, and I know I probably should, but none of my cats is FeLV+
and all seem to be healthy. Ashley beat a soft poo problem with antibiotics,
and Penelope is gaining weight everyday. Just wish her dewormer would run
the course and that her system would settle down. Wow does that stink.

 

Question for anyone: Penelope (4 months) was pooping on some linoleum by our
front door (not urinating though). So, I moved one of the litter boxes to
that spot. She used it fine (after adding a little dirt and other cats'
poops). Now I'm trying to move the box downstairs with the others, a little
bit at a time since when I moved it to the bottom of the stairs all at once,
she didn't use it (used the laminate floor upstairs).  This time, I only
moved it about a foot, and put it on a rug on the carpet next to the
laminated area. No luck. She pooped on the laminate floor. So, I moved the
box back to the laminate floor but in a different spot to test. No problem.
She used it fine. What's going on? Why won't she go off the flooring? Any
suggestions? I can't have a litter box greeting people every time they walk
in the front door! 

 

Thanks,

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: a bit of happy mews...

 

Geez, that's too bad.

 

How do you shop?

 

Just drive to Petsmart once a week  loadup?

 

 

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent

 

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Melissa Lind mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 11:12 AM

Subject: RE: a bit of happy mews...

 

We don't have a Petsmart or Petco within 60 miles or so. I guess I'll have
to get inventive in this area.

 

Melissa

 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 11:00 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: a bit of happy mews...

 

We do adoptions @ Petsmart, ofcourse.

 

And we sign up for additional time during the week when there is space
available.

 

We list on Craigslist, Petfinder,probably some other places too.

 

Wemakebig postersw/before  afterphotos detailingtheir plight.

 

We have one person who does our screening in the Austin area.

 

We are hoping tohave a shelter /group foster home by next spring.

 

That really would help.

 

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent

 

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Melissa Lind mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 8:53 AM

Subject: RE: a bit of happy mews...

 

Susan-that is wonderful!

 

Could you tell me what you do for an adoption event? I'm interested for the
future when my husband and I hope to run a sanctuary. And, I've got three
fosters that need homes now, so any advice on advertising and such would be
greatly appreciated. The web just really doesn't work for advertising around
here.

 

Thanks,

Melissa

 


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 8:16 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: a bit of happy mews...

 

Today we finally found time to take 6 of our 12 'Houston hoarder cats to
the clinic for retesting.

 

These cats, if you remember, came from a house of 185 neglected cats.

 

Many of the cats were felv+.

 

I took in 14 to foster, and @ first they were all housed in one large walk
in size pen.

 

We were testing them 3 @ a time, and the very last cat that we tested,
Lillian, came up felv+.

 

Which meant all of the other 13 cats had had a continous exposure to felv
for about 3 weeks.

Re: OT: Question about Yahoo photos

2007-02-28 Thread wendy
Still having issues.  The My Photos section only
applies to My Mail, and there isn't any way that I can
tell to make those public.  Then I went into My Yahoo
and tried to start a Briefcase with photos in it, but
the upload size is 5MB at a time, and each of the
photos we took is 2.something MB each.  Any
suggestions?

:)
Wendy

--- Jean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hey guys,
  
  I went into Yahoo photos for the first time, and
 saw
  all these photos, some from 4 years ago, that have
  been sent to me or that I have sent out.  I'd like
  to
  delete some of them, but there is no delete
 option. 
  How do you delete them?  Also, can you make some
  public, yet still keep others private?  I have
  family
  photos in there that I don't want public.  Thanks
  for
  your help!
 
 I'm not completely sure about deleting message
 attachments (which is what you're describing)
 without
 deleting the messages themselves, but I'm fairly
 sure
 they're *not* visible to anybody but you unless you
 give permission individually.
 
 The help section should show you exactly how to make
 pictures public or keep them private. If there's a
 picture of the Earth next to a pic, it's public. If
 there's a person, it's private, is my understanding.
 Without having Yahoophotos open in front of me,
 that's
 the best I can do at the moment. :)
 
 Best,
 
 Jean
 
 
 
  


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Re: OT: Question about Yahoo photos

2007-02-28 Thread Lance
Flickr maybe?

On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:18:05 -0800 (PST), wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
 Still having issues.  The My Photos section only
 applies to My Mail, and there isn't any way that I can
 tell to make those public.  Then I went into My Yahoo
 and tried to start a Briefcase with photos in it, but
 the upload size is 5MB at a time, and each of the
 photos we took is 2.something MB each.  Any
 suggestions?
 
 :)
 Wendy
 
 --- Jean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  
  --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Hey guys,
   
   I went into Yahoo photos for the first time, and
  saw
   all these photos, some from 4 years ago, that have
   been sent to me or that I have sent out.  I'd like
   to
   delete some of them, but there is no delete
  option. 
   How do you delete them?  Also, can you make some
   public, yet still keep others private?  I have
   family
   photos in there that I don't want public.  Thanks
   for
   your help!
  
  I'm not completely sure about deleting message
  attachments (which is what you're describing)
  without
  deleting the messages themselves, but I'm fairly
  sure
  they're *not* visible to anybody but you unless you
  give permission individually.
  
  The help section should show you exactly how to make
  pictures public or keep them private. If there's a
  picture of the Earth next to a pic, it's public. If
  there's a person, it's private, is my understanding.
  Without having Yahoophotos open in front of me,
  that's
  the best I can do at the moment. :)
  
  Best,
  
  Jean
  
  
  
   
 
 
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Re: OT: Question about Yahoo photos

2007-02-28 Thread Lance
To elaborate, Flickr is a photo sharing service. I think there's a free
option for joining, and possibly that's the only option. Memory's fuzzy,
and I'm at work, which is why I fired off that two word e-mail. Or, I
could host them and put a quick gallery together.

Lance


On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:18:05 -0800 (PST), wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
 Still having issues.  The My Photos section only
 applies to My Mail, and there isn't any way that I can
 tell to make those public.  Then I went into My Yahoo
 and tried to start a Briefcase with photos in it, but
 the upload size is 5MB at a time, and each of the
 photos we took is 2.something MB each.  Any
 suggestions?
 
 :)
 Wendy
 
 --- Jean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  
  --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Hey guys,
   
   I went into Yahoo photos for the first time, and
  saw
   all these photos, some from 4 years ago, that have
   been sent to me or that I have sent out.  I'd like
   to
   delete some of them, but there is no delete
  option. 
   How do you delete them?  Also, can you make some
   public, yet still keep others private?  I have
   family
   photos in there that I don't want public.  Thanks
   for
   your help!
  
  I'm not completely sure about deleting message
  attachments (which is what you're describing)
  without
  deleting the messages themselves, but I'm fairly
  sure
  they're *not* visible to anybody but you unless you
  give permission individually.
  
  The help section should show you exactly how to make
  pictures public or keep them private. If there's a
  picture of the Earth next to a pic, it's public. If
  there's a person, it's private, is my understanding.
  Without having Yahoophotos open in front of me,
  that's
  the best I can do at the moment. :)
  
  Best,
  
  Jean
  
  
  
   
 
 
  Now that's room service!  Choose from over 150,000
  hotels
  in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your
  fit.
  http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
  
  
 
 
 
  
 
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 Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.
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Re: OT: Question about Yahoo photos

2007-02-27 Thread Jean


--- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey guys,
 
 I went into Yahoo photos for the first time, and saw
 all these photos, some from 4 years ago, that have
 been sent to me or that I have sent out.  I'd like
 to
 delete some of them, but there is no delete option. 
 How do you delete them?  Also, can you make some
 public, yet still keep others private?  I have
 family
 photos in there that I don't want public.  Thanks
 for
 your help!

I'm not completely sure about deleting message
attachments (which is what you're describing) without
deleting the messages themselves, but I'm fairly sure
they're *not* visible to anybody but you unless you
give permission individually.

The help section should show you exactly how to make
pictures public or keep them private. If there's a
picture of the Earth next to a pic, it's public. If
there's a person, it's private, is my understanding.
Without having Yahoophotos open in front of me, that's
the best I can do at the moment. :)

Best,

Jean



 

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in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit.
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OT: Question about Yahoo photos

2007-02-26 Thread wendy
Hey guys,

I went into Yahoo photos for the first time, and saw
all these photos, some from 4 years ago, that have
been sent to me or that I have sent out.  I'd like to
delete some of them, but there is no delete option. 
How do you delete them?  Also, can you make some
public, yet still keep others private?  I have family
photos in there that I don't want public.  Thanks for
your help!

:)
Wendy


 

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a little ot: question

2006-11-12 Thread ETrent



Sometimes I get so much email that I have to scan quickly and I know I miss 
out on things...but I have this question that I hope someone can answer.

If FIV can only be confirmed with necropsy, then how does the test for FIV 
work? I ask because when Mama Kitty was giving a test at the vet's office 
for FeVL - we looked for twodots to show on this thing that looks a lot 
like a pregnancy test...she had a faint dot on the FeVL sidebut no dot on 
the FIV side. Am I getting this confused with something else? Was it 
FIP that I am thinking about. Duh.

Thank you for your time and patience -
Your ignorant friend,
elizabeth




Re: a little ot: question

2006-11-12 Thread TatorBunz





It's FIP that can be confirmed with 
necropsy.
No...your not ignorant!

In a message dated 11/12/2006 10:35:34 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Sometimes I get so much email that I have to scan quickly and I know I 
  miss out on things...but I have this question that I hope someone can 
  answer.
  
  If FIV can only be confirmed with necropsy, then how does the test for 
  FIV work? I ask because when Mama Kitty was giving a test at the vet's 
  office for FeVL - we looked for twodots to show on this thing that looks 
  a lot like a pregnancy test...she had a faint dot on the FeVL sidebut no 
  dot on the FIV side. Am I getting this confused with something 
  else? Was it FIP that I am thinking about. Duh.
  
  Thank you for your time and patience -
  Your ignorant friend,
  elizabeth


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Re: a little ot: question

2006-11-12 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn



Yes, you're thinking of FIP. The combo 
test you're referring to is a combo FIV/FELV ELISA pop test (and it's generally 
considered unreliable due to the large number of false positives and false 
negatives it registers)
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Re: a little ot: question

2006-11-12 Thread TenHouseCats
pop test? gee, i'm used to calling it a SNAP test myownself (after you place the drawn blood into the cavity, you have to snap it closed.)

for future reference,FIV sanctuaries and rescues won't even consider a cat positive without a confirmatory western blot testand the FIVvaccine produces a life-longimmune response that makes them test positive on both the snap and the western blot--phaewyrn just sent the linkabout the first, supposedly reliable, dna testing to distinquish between naturallyoccuring vs vaccine-induced FIV strains


ignorant, no--overwhelmed by all the info you never knew was out there? quite likely!


On 11/12/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Yes, you're thinking of FIP. The combo test you're referring to is a combo FIV/FELV ELISA pop test (and it's generally considered unreliable due to the large number of false positives and false negatives it registers)

Phaewryn

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Re: a little ot: question

2006-11-12 Thread Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn



Snap, pop... minor differential 
technicalities in my auditory senses, IMO. LMAO! Think Rice 
Crispies
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Re: a little ot: question

2006-11-12 Thread TenHouseCats
i'm just loving the thought of the look on my vet's face next time i have to ask for a pop test...
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Snap, pop... minor differential technicalities in my auditory senses, IMO. LMAO! Think Rice Crispies
Phaewryn

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Re: a little ot: question

2006-11-12 Thread kelly


At 10:34 AM 11/12/2006, you wrote:

It is FIP that is confirmed (sometimes) by necropsy. FIV is confirmed
when they are alive and well by blood work
Kelly

Sometimes I
get so much email that I have to scan quickly and I know I miss out on
things...but I have this question that I hope someone can answer.

If FIV can only be confirmed with necropsy, then how does the test for
FIV work? I ask because when Mama Kitty was giving a test at the
vet's office for FeVL - we looked for two dots to show on this thing that
looks a lot like a pregnancy test...she had a faint dot on the FeVL side
but no dot on the FIV side. Am I getting this confused with
something else? Was it FIP that I am thinking about.
Duh.

Thank you for your time and patience -
Your ignorant friend,
elizabeth 


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Re: Test results and an OT question

2006-06-12 Thread moonvine


- Original Message -
From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sunday, June 11, 2006 3:43 am
Subject: Re: Test results and an OT question
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 OMG Kelley, that's fabulous news about the neg results!!  It must 
 be 
 what I said about false positive results, there's no other way to 
 explain it.  

They were pretty shocked she tested neg after testing pos 3 days ago.  
I was very happy until I heard about the heart murmur.

 
 As far as the heart murmur kitty...  What grade murmur did your 
 vet say 
 it was?  Many kittens and puppies have slight heart murmurs that 
 resolve 
 themselves as they grow.  How old is she?  If it's a serious one, 
 there 
 are surgical options that you could consider.  My ex-husband 
 adopted an 
 5 week old kitten that had serious heart problems.  They did open 
 heart 
 surgery on this little tiny girl and the vet has assured him that 
 she's 
 going to be fine now.  I don't know about neg cats and different 
 size 
 pupils, but I know it's something that does occur with felv 
 kitties and 
 doesn't seem to cause any trouble.  Does the vet think that her 
 teeth 
 are curved enough to cause her problems? 

Well, first of all this was not my vet.  This was a vet at the city 
subsidized shot/combo test/spay/neuter place.  I got there 10 minutes 
before they opened and it was a 4.5 hour wait.  I hated to do that to 
them but since it was 5 tests, I couldn't really afford to go to my 
vet and have it done (he gives me huge discounts and I love him, but 
not that huge).  This vet listened to her heart, said This cat has a 
heart murmur and we can't inoculate it here.  She didn't tell me what 
grade it was, nor offer me any opinion on her teeth other than that 
they were genetically abnormal.  She couldn't believe Missy had been 
to the vet before, or that she had gotten spayed at Emancipet(I know 
heart murmur kitties are supposed to have gas anasthesia.) 


 Take another deep 
 breath.  You 
 had a terrible fright with the felv test and that turned out, (at 
 least 
 it appears to have), been nothing to worry about.  I'm praying 
 that your 
 special love's problems will work themselves out too.  What's her 
 name?  

My babies name is Missy.  She's a tiny little girl, and they remarked 
on her thinness, though I have been feeding her extra fattening stuff 
and kitten milk and managed to get her to 5.5 pounds.  Her immune 
system seems abnormal, and she gets URI a lot and has to be syringe 
fed, and then we lose the progress we have gained.  That's one reason 
I had her re-tested, but she has 2 negative results now, one in 
November and one Saturday.  I kept holding her up to my ear all 
weekend to see if I could hear anything, I know that is silly.

She's spoiled rotten, even with the dozens of cats in my house.  She 
spends most of her time in my lap if I am at home and sitting, or 
following me around if I am not sitting.  She gives me kisses if I am 
really sad...I say she saves them for when I really need them, but I 
realistically she probably just likes the salt in my tears.

Here's a link to her pic: http://www.moonvine.net/missy.jpg

She's 8 months now.  

I have an appointment for her with my real vet on Saturday.  I don't 
want her left all day at the vet feeling abandoned, nor being dragged 
around in the heat, unless it is a real emergency.

Kelley



Re: Test results and an OT question

2006-06-12 Thread catatonya
One of my older negatives has had a heart murmur for years. We had it checked out by a specialist. It's never caused a problem so far...Great news about the negative tests!tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Cats can develop heart murmurs JUST from the stress of being at the vet's office (onethey don't actually have normally). Try to find a vet that can come to your home andexamine her without the stress of a car ride and the vet's office.You might get some good support from the Handicats2 yahoogroup... they have all kindsof disabilities there.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HANDICATS2/ is the URL.PhaewrynPLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.htmlDONATE: We could really use a
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Re: Test results and an OT question

2006-06-12 Thread Nina




Oh Kelley! Stop it with that picture of Missy! She's just too cute
for words, no wonder she's stolen your heart. Don't the tiny, needy
ones seem to worm their way into a special place in our lives? I think
it's fine to wait and bring Missy to your regular vet. Just tell Missy
you're bringing her to show her off, that they will want to pet her and
tell her how beautiful she is. This doesn't sound like it should be a
traumatic visit, just an exam, right? Why don't you ask your vet about
supplements, like CoQ10 for her heart, and maybe Interferon A for
immune support. A woman I know has had remarkable results with CoQ10,
but she did say that you shouldn't start and stop that sup, you might
want to ask him if he knows anything about that too. Maybe someone
else on the list knows more about it and will let us know. What have
you done for her URIs? Do they ever resolve themselves completely? I
know there have been list members that have had success with URIs and
anemia using something called Immuno-Regulin. You can look it up on
our archives for more info, we have discussed it a lot. Personally,
I'd hesitate in using it unless the situation were getting desperate,
but I thought I'd throw it out there for you to discuss with your vet.
Hugs to you, Missy and all your babies,
Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
- Original Message -
From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sunday, June 11, 2006 3:43 am
Subject: Re: Test results and an OT question
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

  
  
OMG Kelley, that's fabulous news about the neg results!!  It must 
be 
what I said about false positive results, there's no other way to 
explain it.  

  
  
They were pretty shocked she tested neg after testing pos 3 days ago.  
I was very happy until I heard about the heart murmur.

  
  
As far as the heart murmur kitty...  What grade murmur did your 
vet say 
it was?  Many kittens and puppies have slight heart murmurs that 
resolve 
themselves as they grow.  How old is she?  If it's a serious one, 
there 
are surgical options that you could consider.  My ex-husband 
adopted an 
5 week old kitten that had serious heart problems.  They did open 
heart 
surgery on this little tiny girl and the vet has assured him that 
she's 
going to be fine now.  I don't know about neg cats and different 
size 
pupils, but I know it's something that does occur with felv 
kitties and 
doesn't seem to cause any trouble.  Does the vet think that her 
teeth 
are curved enough to cause her problems? 

  
  
Well, first of all this was not my vet.  This was a vet at the city 
subsidized shot/combo test/spay/neuter place.  I got there 10 minutes 
before they opened and it was a 4.5 hour wait.  I hated to do that to 
them but since it was 5 tests, I couldn't really afford to go to my 
vet and have it done (he gives me huge discounts and I love him, but 
not that huge).  This vet listened to her heart, said "This cat has a 
heart murmur and we can't inoculate it here."  She didn't tell me what 
grade it was, nor offer me any opinion on her teeth other than that 
they were genetically abnormal.  She couldn't believe Missy had been 
to the vet before, or that she had gotten spayed at Emancipet(I know 
heart murmur kitties are supposed to have gas anasthesia.) 


 Take another deep 
  
  
breath.  You 
had a terrible fright with the felv test and that turned out, (at 
least 
it appears to have), been nothing to worry about.  I'm praying 
that your 
special love's problems will work themselves out too.  What's her 
name?  

  
  
My babies name is Missy.  She's a tiny little girl, and they remarked 
on her thinness, though I have been feeding her extra fattening stuff 
and kitten milk and managed to get her to 5.5 pounds.  Her immune 
system seems abnormal, and she gets URI a lot and has to be syringe 
fed, and then we lose the progress we have gained.  That's one reason 
I had her re-tested, but she has 2 negative results now, one in 
November and one Saturday.  I kept holding her up to my ear all 
weekend to see if I could hear anything, I know that is silly.

She's spoiled rotten, even with the dozens of cats in my house.  She 
spends most of her time in my lap if I am at home and sitting, or 
following me around if I am not sitting.  She gives me kisses if I am 
really sad...I say she saves them for when I really need them, but I 
realistically she probably just likes the salt in my tears.

Here's a link to her pic: http://www.moonvine.net/missy.jpg

She's 8 months now.  

I have an appointment for her with my real vet on Saturday.  I don't 
want her left all day at the vet feeling abandoned, nor being dragged 
around in the heat, unless it is a real emergency.

Kelley



  





Re: Test results and an OT question

2006-06-12 Thread moonvine
 Oh Kelley!  Stop it with that picture of Missy!  She's just too 
 cute for 
 words, no wonder she's stolen your heart.  Don't the tiny, needy 
 ones 
 seem to worm their way into a special place in our lives? 

She is my baby girl!  It is very scary to love another living thing 
this much.  I am single and have no children, and Missy is very 
special to me.

 I think 
 it's 
 fine to wait and bring Missy to your regular vet.  Just tell Missy 
 you're bringing her to show her off, that they will want to pet 
 her and 
 tell her how beautiful she is.  This doesn't sound like it should 
 be a 
 traumatic visit, just an exam, right?  

I think it will be ok.  If he says she can be vaccinated, she will be 
vaccinated, but my regular vet is so good at vaccinations that my cats 
don't even notice they have been stuck.

Why don't you ask your vet 
 about 
 supplements, like CoQ10 for her heart, and maybe Interferon A for 
 immune 
 support.  A woman I know has had remarkable results with CoQ10, 
 but she 
 did say that you shouldn't start and stop that sup, you might want 
 to 
 ask him if he knows anything about that too.  Maybe someone else 
 on the 
 list knows more about it and will let us know. 

I am making a list of stuff to ask him, thanks!

 What have you done 
 for 
 her URIs?  Do they ever resolve themselves completely? 
 
She had URI when she came from the shelter (I've had her since she was 
less than 3 months).  She was on Zithro.  It resolved completely.  By 
the time I went to get her and her littermates spayed/neutered, she 
was 4 months and was 4 lb.  Her sister was 4.5 and her brother 6.  She 
had no problems with the spay.  I took her to my personal vet because 
she developed conjunctivitis.  I expressed concern over her thinness 
and he told me she was ok, but to feed her fattening stuff to try to 
get some weight on her.  I got her over the conjunctivitis and she got 
URI again.  She was on zithro again, and it resolved.  She got it 
again, and pretty badly, lost a lot of weight and I had to syringe 
her.  She scared me pretty badly this last time.  I think she lost 
probably a whole pound.  Now she seems to have it again, but it isn't 
as bad a case.  This is another reason I had her retested.  Her immune 
system just does not seem right at all.  I have 4 litters of kittens 
in my house right no
w, and they all had URI, but she was the only older cat I have that 
got it.  





Re: Test results and an OT question

2006-06-12 Thread Barb Moermond
Missy is absolutely beautiful and I can see why she's your love![EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Oh Kelley! Stop it with that picture of Missy! She's just too  cute for  words, no wonder she's stolen your heart. Don't the tiny, needy  ones  seem to worm their way into a special place in our lives? She is my baby girl! It is very scary to love another living thing this much. I am single and have no children, and Missy is very special to me.I think  it's  fine to wait and bring Missy to your regular vet. Just tell Missy  you're bringing her to show her off, that they will want to pet  her and  tell her how beautiful she is. This doesn't sound like it should  be a  traumatic visit, just an exam, right? I think it will be ok. If he says
 she can be vaccinated, she will be vaccinated, but my regular vet is so good at vaccinations that my cats don't even notice they have been stuck.Why don't you ask your vet  about  supplements, like CoQ10 for her heart, and maybe Interferon A for  immune  support. A woman I know has had remarkable results with CoQ10,  but she  did say that you shouldn't start and stop that sup, you might want  to  ask him if he knows anything about that too. Maybe someone else  on the  list knows more about it and will let us know. I am making a list of stuff to ask him, thanks!What have you done  for  her URIs? Do they ever resolve themselves completely? She had URI when she came from the shelter (I've had her since she was less than 3 months). She was on Zithro. It resolved completely. By the time I went to get her and her littermates
 spayed/neutered, she was 4 months and was 4 lb. Her sister was 4.5 and her brother 6. She had no problems with the spay. I took her to my personal vet because she developed conjunctivitis. I expressed concern over her thinness and he told me she was ok, but to feed her fattening stuff to try to get some weight on her. I got her over the conjunctivitis and she got URI again. She was on zithro again, and it resolved. She got it again, and pretty badly, lost a lot of weight and I had to syringe her. She scared me pretty badly this last time. I think she lost probably a whole pound. Now she seems to have it again, but it isn't as bad a case. This is another reason I had her retested. Her immune system just does not seem right at all. I have 4 litters of kittens in my house right now, and they all had URI, but she was the only older cat I have that got it. Barb+Smoky the House
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Re: Test results and an OT question

2006-06-11 Thread Nina
OMG Kelley, that's fabulous news about the neg results!!  It must be 
what I said about false positive results, there's no other way to 
explain it.  As far as retesting your other previously tested neg cats, 
your vet is probably right.  You seem to have never really had felv in 
the house.  My goodness girl, way to dodge the bullet!  You are truly 
blessed.  If it will put your mind at ease, go ahead and have them 
tested again.  They can get some base line cbc results to keep on file 
at the same time, if you like.


As far as the heart murmur kitty...  What grade murmur did your vet say 
it was?  Many kittens and puppies have slight heart murmurs that resolve 
themselves as they grow.  How old is she?  If it's a serious one, there 
are surgical options that you could consider.  My ex-husband adopted an 
5 week old kitten that had serious heart problems.  They did open heart 
surgery on this little tiny girl and the vet has assured him that she's 
going to be fine now.  I don't know about neg cats and different size 
pupils, but I know it's something that does occur with felv kitties and 
doesn't seem to cause any trouble.  Does the vet think that her teeth 
are curved enough to cause her problems?  Take another deep breath.  You 
had a terrible fright with the felv test and that turned out, (at least 
it appears to have), been nothing to worry about.  I'm praying that your 
special love's problems will work themselves out too.  What's her name?  
You've obviously got a very powerful Angel on your shoulder, keep the 
faith that they won't let you down.

Nina

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi guys,

I took 5 kittens/cats in to be tested today.  The little girl who 
previously tested pos tested negative today.  So did all her 
littermates and the unrelated cat.  Very, very good news.  I still 
don't understand how one who tested positive 3 days ago tested 
negative today, but she did.


The vet at the clinic feels it is unnecessary at this point to have 
cats in my home who have previously tested negative re-tested.  Do you 
agree?


Also, unfortunately, one little girl I took in was diagnosed with a 
heart murmur, so they would not inoculate her.  The vet also stated 
she had some genetic abnormalities - asymmetric pupils and teeth that 
curve in instead of going straight downI'm very worried about her now 
as she is the love of my life.  Do any of yall know of any good web 
resources on heart murmurs?  I'm taking her in for a second opinion 
next weekend.


I wanted to thank everyone for being there for me the last few days.  
You are an awesome group of people.  I learned a lot about this 
disease, too.


Thanks so much,

Kelley



 






Re: Test results and an OT question

2006-06-11 Thread jenmeyer
Awesome news!  Though I have to say I'm not surprised she retested
negative!  ;)  I found it a little odd that her littermate was negative
as kittens are very susceptible to the virus...I suspected a false
positive, like Nina, but didn't want to put the cart before the horse,
so-to-speak!  I'm so glad to hear that that was the case!

Unfortunately, I don't know much about the genetic abnormalities that
you mentioned!  I did have one cat who had a murmur...but it never
affected him as far as I know...I used to give him 30 mg of CoQ10 every
day as it is supposed to be good for the heart muscle.  But I definitely
second the second opinion for your little one!  :)

Jen


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unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan
George

The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long... --Blade Runner

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Saturday, June 10, 2006 2:12 pm
Subject: Test results and an OT question
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Hi guys,
 
 I took 5 kittens/cats in to be tested today.  The little girl who 
 previously tested pos tested negative today.  So did all her 
 littermates and the unrelated cat.  Very, very good news.  I still 
 don't understand how one who tested positive 3 days ago tested 
 negative today, but she did.
 
 The vet at the clinic feels it is unnecessary at this point to have 
 cats in my home who have previously tested negative re-tested.  Do 
 you 
 agree?
 
 Also, unfortunately, one little girl I took in was diagnosed with a 
 heart murmur, so they would not inoculate her.  The vet also stated 
 she had some genetic abnormalities - asymmetric pupils and teeth 
 that 
 curve in instead of going straight downI'm very worried about her 
 now 
 as she is the love of my life.  Do any of yall know of any good web 
 resources on heart murmurs?  I'm taking her in for a second opinion 
 next weekend.
 
 I wanted to thank everyone for being there for me the last few 
 days.  
 You are an awesome group of people.  I learned a lot about this 
 disease, too.
 
 Thanks so much,
 
 Kelley




Re: Test results and an OT question

2006-06-11 Thread felv
Cats can develop heart murmurs JUST from the stress of being at the vet's 
office (one
they don't actually have normally). Try to find a vet that can come to your 
home and
examine her without the stress of a car ride and the vet's office.

You might get some good support from the Handicats2 yahoogroup... they have all 
kinds
of disabilities there.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HANDICATS2/  is the URL.

Phaewryn

PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!
http://ucat.us/adopt.html

DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera 
(for
pictures) and HOMES for CATS!



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Re: Test results and an OT question

2006-06-11 Thread Marylyn
I haven't followed this closely but I have a question:  Is it possible to 
give the cat some sort of mild sedative before taking it to the vet's to 
avoid the stress reaction?  I try to give mine Rescue Remedy just because 
she absolutely hates vets.  I don't know what happened to her before she 
came to live with me but she is the only critter (dog or cat) that starts 
trembling at the thought of going to the vet.  Her current vets have given 
her no reason to be so frightened.  Like I said, just a thought.







If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: Test results and an OT question


Cats can develop heart murmurs JUST from the stress of being at the vet's 
office (one
they don't actually have normally). Try to find a vet that can come to 
your home and

examine her without the stress of a car ride and the vet's office.

You might get some good support from the Handicats2 yahoogroup... they 
have all kinds

of disabilities there.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HANDICATS2/  is the URL.

Phaewryn

PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!
http://ucat.us/adopt.html

DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital 
camera (for

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Re: Test results and an OT question

2006-06-11 Thread gwork
The only thing I know is Acepromazine, but I don't know if it would 
interfere with getting accurate readings, etc.  Also, personally, I cannot 
see that it made any difference in the two cats I have used it on.  My cat 
Spaz will run and hide at the mere sound of the carrier, but it is only 
because she has spent so much time at the vet's being poked on (blood 
drawings, mostly).  Also, my four other former ferals are afraid of the 
carrier, but that's more understandable.
Is your cat nervous when you try to get her to take her to the vet, or does 
she get nervous once there in the presence of the techs/vet?


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: Test results and an OT question


I haven't followed this closely but I have a question:  Is it possible to 
give the cat some sort of mild sedative before taking it to the vet's to 
avoid the stress reaction?  I try to give mine Rescue Remedy just because 
she absolutely hates vets.  I don't know what happened to her before she 
came to live with me but she is the only critter (dog or cat) that starts 
trembling at the thought of going to the vet.  Her current vets have given 
her no reason to be so frightened.  Like I said, just a thought.







If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: Test results and an OT question


Cats can develop heart murmurs JUST from the stress of being at the vet's 
office (one
they don't actually have normally). Try to find a vet that can come to 
your home and

examine her without the stress of a car ride and the vet's office.

You might get some good support from the Handicats2 yahoogroup... they 
have all kinds

of disabilities there.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HANDICATS2/  is the URL.

Phaewryn

PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!
http://ucat.us/adopt.html

DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital 
camera (for

pictures) and HOMES for CATS!



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Re: Test results and an OT question

2006-06-11 Thread gwork
So glad your little one retested neg!  I agree with your vet about retesting 
your other cats, but personally, I would still have them vaccinated.  I 
don't know anything about heart murmurs, but as far as the teeth go, does 
the vet feel it will be detrimental to her oral health or ability to eat, 
etc.  The reason I ask is because I am a dental lab technician and I know of 
cases where labs, vets, and dentists have worked together to restore 
feline/canine teeth.


Kris
http://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com
- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 3:11 PM
Subject: Test results and an OT question



Hi guys,

I took 5 kittens/cats in to be tested today.  The little girl who
previously tested pos tested negative today.  So did all her
littermates and the unrelated cat.  Very, very good news.  I still
don't understand how one who tested positive 3 days ago tested
negative today, but she did.

The vet at the clinic feels it is unnecessary at this point to have
cats in my home who have previously tested negative re-tested.  Do you
agree?

Also, unfortunately, one little girl I took in was diagnosed with a
heart murmur, so they would not inoculate her.  The vet also stated
she had some genetic abnormalities - asymmetric pupils and teeth that
curve in instead of going straight downI'm very worried about her now
as she is the love of my life.  Do any of yall know of any good web
resources on heart murmurs?  I'm taking her in for a second opinion
next weekend.

I wanted to thank everyone for being there for me the last few days.
You are an awesome group of people.  I learned a lot about this
disease, too.

Thanks so much,

Kelley







Re: Test results and an OT question

2006-06-11 Thread felv
Ace is a dangerous drug used in cats but not one I would ever recommend. 
Especially
for a cat with heart issues, I would NOT ever use any tranquilizers. We recently
discussed the use of ACE in cats on one of the lists I am on... must not have 
been
this one though. The consensus was to NOT use it though (and this was for a 
healthy
cat just for a trip).

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_acepromazine.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acepromazine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenothiazine  (oh, did I mention it's MADE out of 
a
pesticide?)
http://a1272.g.akamai.net/7/1272/1121/20050919193122/www.drsfostersmith.com/Rx_Info_Sheets/rx_acepromazine.pdf
(this is the patient info sheet, just like you get when you pick up a 
prescription
for yourself, most vets do NOT provide these for meds prescribed to your pets...
makes you wonder why, doesn't it?)
http://www.wedgewoodpharmacy.com/monographs/AcepromazineMaleate.asp


Phaewryn

PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!
http://ucat.us/adopt.html

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Test results and an OT question

2006-06-10 Thread moonvine
Hi guys,

I took 5 kittens/cats in to be tested today.  The little girl who 
previously tested pos tested negative today.  So did all her 
littermates and the unrelated cat.  Very, very good news.  I still 
don't understand how one who tested positive 3 days ago tested 
negative today, but she did.

The vet at the clinic feels it is unnecessary at this point to have 
cats in my home who have previously tested negative re-tested.  Do you 
agree?

Also, unfortunately, one little girl I took in was diagnosed with a 
heart murmur, so they would not inoculate her.  The vet also stated 
she had some genetic abnormalities - asymmetric pupils and teeth that 
curve in instead of going straight downI'm very worried about her now 
as she is the love of my life.  Do any of yall know of any good web 
resources on heart murmurs?  I'm taking her in for a second opinion 
next weekend.

I wanted to thank everyone for being there for me the last few days.  
You are an awesome group of people.  I learned a lot about this 
disease, too.

Thanks so much,

Kelley



OT: question

2006-04-04 Thread Terri Brown



Hey gang,

Since I am not able to do it myself no matter how I try, is there anyone on 
this list who might be able to tell me why my Siggie is so aggressive with 
Guinevere? She is VERY intolerant of him. Anytime he gets near her, 
she gets very bent out of shape, and will usually end up running away from 
him. Sometimes he will let this go, but other times he will attack her and 
bite her.

They're both FeLV negative, so I'm not worried about that, it's just that I 
can't seem to make Siggie understand that his little sisfur Guin really doesn't 
want to be pestered by him. I don't get it what it is between the two of 
them.

Travis sometimes goes for her too, but I get the VERY strong impression 
that he's just playing (he's still a kitten, but getting VERY big). She 
just has no interest whatsoever in the boys.

Thoughts?

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Re: OT: question - getting along

2006-04-04 Thread Nina




Hi Terri,
Hmm... It sounds like your little Guine is just not as sociable as her
brothers would like and expect her to be. I've noticed that when my
established guy's efforts to make nice overtures to newcomers are
continually rebuffed, they get annoyed and start giving the new guy
something to be nervous about. Maybe it's something like that. You
know, "I've tried everything I can think of to put you at ease, and
still you act like I'm not to be associated with. If that's the way
you feel, take that!".

When I'm introducing a new member who has socialization issues, (very
few don't!), I feed them small amounts of something yummy next to each
other. Sometimes I have to start with them on the other side of the
room from each other, but eventually I get them eating side by side.
I'll call them and tell them it's treat time, pet one and then the
other to get their scents on each other, tell them how proud I am that
they're becoming friends, etc. I'll ask whoever's being the bully in
the situation to help me by being friendly, or leaving them alone.
I'll tell the scaredy cat that their behavior isn't necessary, that
they are safe and I will step in if things get too heated.

Have you noticed this behavior at any specific times? Are they always
like this when they come nose to nose with each other? Is there
anytime that Guinevere seems more apt to welcome the boy's advances?
You could try adding some RR to the communal water bowl and see if that
helps. Have you sprayed Guine's bedding with Feliway? It sounds like
she's the one that needs help recognizing that she doesn't have to be
so nervous. She may just want to be left alone. If you think that's
the case, I'd ask the boys to lay off her and give her her space. I'd
warn them everytime they try to engage her, to leave her be. If he
doesn't listen to you, step in between them and block him from her with
your body, backing him gently out of her "space". Then shower him with
attention, telling him how proud you are that he's respecting your
wishes and leaving her the heck alone. Not everyone has to be cuddly
with each other, but in my house, I do my best to enforce the first
rule: Everyone must get along! Momma's nerves are too rattled as it
is. I can't stand those hissing and growling spats!
Nina

Terri Brown wrote:

  
  
  

  Hey gang,
  
  Since I am not able to do it myself no matter how I try, is
there anyone on this list who might be able to tell me why my Siggie is
so aggressive with Guinevere? She is VERY intolerant of him. Anytime
he gets near her, she gets very bent out of shape, and will usually end
up running away from him. Sometimes he will let this go, but other
times he will attack her and bite her.
  
  They're both FeLV negative, so I'm not worried about that, it's
just that I can't seem to make Siggie understand that his little sisfur
Guin really doesn't want to be pestered by him. I don't get it what it
is between the two of them.
  
  Travis sometimes goes for her too, but I get the VERY strong
impression that he's just playing (he's still a kitten, but getting
VERY big). She just has no interest whatsoever in the boys.
  
  Thoughts?
  





Re: OT: question - getting along

2006-04-04 Thread Terri Brown




Well, they've lived together for 2 years now, so introductions are long 
past!

She is fine as long as he isn't "in her space". They will sleep on 
the bed at the same time, but if he goes within a foot of her, she gets 
defensive immediately. Doesn't seem to matter what his attitude seems to 
be. She will growl and slap at him as she crouches really low to the 
floor. It looks like she's trying to say that she respects his position 
over her but she doesn’t want to socialize with him. He appears 
totake this quasi-submission/aggression as a challenge and that's when he 
bites her.

It mostly happens in the mornings, and usually when my husband is trying to 
wind down from work (he works overnight). Dan yells at Siggie and squirts 
him with water to get him away from her and it's over.

The thing is too that Siggie is the cat I had to retrain. He had 
SERIOUS kitty cat issues when I adopted him at 11 month old -- things that were 
with held from me. He was VERY aggressive with everyone and 
everything. History: he was the only kitten in a litter born to a 
feral mom that she did NOT reject (no sibling contact or socialization). 
Then he was taken away from her before he was ready (5 weeks old) and taken in 
by a young couple with a disabled baby who already had a 12 year old tomcat who 
wanted NOTHING to do with him (he was beat up by the tom). So he bit and 
scratched and clawed out his existence to the point that this young couple just 
wanted to get him out of the house because he was hurting the baby. (He was 
advertised "free to good home", so I took him).

I had to teach him who was Top Cat (me). I had to teach him the 
difference between a love bite/nibble and a bad bite. He is almost 6 years 
old now, and he has kitty cat OCD

As for Travis, a stern word from me is usually enough to get him to back 
off enough so that either he will walk away or she will run away. She 
reacts to Travis the same way. If he is feeling punchy, she senses this 
and gets defensive.

I'm wishing I could "hear" her so she could tell me why she feels the way 
she does. But no matter how hard I listen, I don't get anything.

Terri

  - Original Message - 
  From: Nina 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 5:36 
  PM
  Subject: Re: OT: question - getting 
  along
  Hi Terri,Hmm... It sounds like your little Guine is 
  just not as sociable as her brothers would like and expect her to be. 
  I've noticed that when my established guy's efforts to make nice overtures to 
  newcomers are continually rebuffed, they get annoyed and start giving the new 
  guy something to be nervous about. Maybe it's something like that. 
  You know, "I've tried everything I can think of to put you at ease, and still 
  you act like I'm not to be associated with. If that's the way you feel, 
  take that!".When I'm introducing a new member who has socialization 
  issues, (very few don't!), I feed them small amounts of something yummy next 
  to each other. Sometimes I have to start with them on the other side of 
  the room from each other, but eventually I get them eating side by side. 
  I'll call them and tell them it's treat time, pet one and then the other to 
  get their scents on each other, tell them how proud I am that they're becoming 
  friends, etc. I'll ask whoever's being the bully in the situation to 
  help me by being friendly, or leaving them alone. I'll tell the scaredy 
  cat that their behavior isn't necessary, that they are safe and I will step in 
  if things get too heated.Have you noticed this behavior at any 
  specific times? Are they always like this when they come nose to nose 
  with each other? Is there anytime that Guinevere seems more apt to 
  welcome the boy's advances? You could try adding some RR to the communal 
  water bowl and see if that helps. Have you sprayed Guine's bedding with 
  Feliway? It sounds like she's the one that needs help recognizing that 
  she doesn't have to be so nervous. She may just want to be left 
  alone. If you think that's the case, I'd ask the boys to lay off her and 
  give her her space. I'd warn them everytime they try to engage her, to 
  leave her be. If he doesn't listen to you, step in between them and 
  block him from her with your body, backing him gently out of her 
  "space". Then shower him with attention, telling him how proud you are 
  that he's respecting your wishes and leaving her the heck alone. Not 
  everyone has to be cuddly with each other, but in my house, I do my best to 
  enforce the first rule: Everyone must get along! Momma's nerves 
  are too rattled as it is. I can't stand those hissing and growling 
  spats!NinaTerri Brown wrote:
  


Hey gang,

Since I am not able to do it myself no matter how I try, is there 
anyone on this list who might be able to tell me why my Siggie is so 
aggressive with Guinevere? She is VERY int

Re: OT: question - getting along

2006-04-04 Thread Nina




Man Terri, you have your hands full with their personalities! Poor
Siggie, he had such a rough start, his behavior makes more sense now.
How lucky he was to find you. I'd definitely start adding RR to the
water dishes, if you aren't already.

I meant the suggestion of feeding them treats next to each other to
give them good associations of being in close proximity. It doesn't
really matter how long they've lived together, they still haven't
resolved their issues enough to cohabitate peacefully. I understand
Dan's being upset with the two of them, but yelling and squirting are
last ditch efforts, could they be dissuaded from quarreling in a more
subtle way? His getting upset, might be creating a spiral that keeps
them in the same patterns. I've found that if I have to scold, then
lavishing love immediately afterwards goes a long way to easing
resentments. Maybe you could shoo them off the bed before he enters
the room, or right afterward. Then start to give them the chance to
stay on the bed with warnings that they'll be booted off if they can't
get along. Does Guinevere have a place of sancuary? Someplace that
she feels is her's alone? When my Ursula was spraying her displeasure
at new arrivals, I fixed her a "perch" on top of a bureau in the
bedroom and chased all the other cats off when they tried to use it.
I'd tell them, this is for Ursula, everyone else stay off! Ursula
loved having a place that no one else was allowed to use and she
stopped spraying, (until something else pissed her off!).

If you really want to "hear" what they're thinking you should contact
an animal communicator. Don't tell whoever you call too much, let them
do their job and reveal things to you that will convince you that they
are really in communication. Once you're sure they are really
"talking" with your guys, you can open up more and see if between the
bunch of you, you can resolve this stuff.
Nina

Terri Brown wrote:

  
  
  

  
  Well, they've lived together for 2 years now, so introductions
are long past!
  
  She is fine as long as he isn't "in her space". They will sleep
on the bed at the same time, but if he goes within a foot of her, she
gets defensive immediately. Doesn't seem to matter what his attitude
seems to be. She will growl and slap at him as she crouches really low
to the floor. It looks like she's trying to say that she respects his
position over her but she doesnt want to socialize with him. He
appears totake this quasi-submission/aggression as a challenge and
that's when he bites her.
  
  It mostly happens in the mornings, and usually when my husband
is trying to wind down from work (he works overnight). Dan yells at
Siggie and squirts him with water to get him away from her and it's
over.
  
  The thing is too that Siggie is the cat I had to retrain. He
had SERIOUS kitty cat issues when I adopted him at 11 month old --
things that were with held from me. He was VERY aggressive with
everyone and everything. History: he was the only kitten in a litter
born to a feral mom that she did NOT reject (no sibling contact or
socialization). Then he was taken away from her before he was ready (5
weeks old) and taken in by a young couple with a disabled baby who
already had a 12 year old tomcat who wanted NOTHING to do with him (he
was beat up by the tom). So he bit and scratched and clawed out his
existence to the point that this young couple just wanted to get him
out of the house because he was hurting the baby. (He was advertised
"free to good home", so I took him).
  
  I had to teach him who was Top Cat (me). I had to teach him the
difference between a love bite/nibble and a bad bite. He is almost 6
years old now, and he has kitty cat OCD
  
  As for Travis, a stern word from me is usually enough to get him
to back off enough so that either he will walk away or she will run
away. She reacts to Travis the same way. If he is feeling punchy, she
senses this and gets defensive.
  
  I'm wishing I could "hear" her so she could tell me why she
feels the way she does. But no matter how hard I listen, I don't get
anything.
  





Re: OT: question - getting along

2006-04-04 Thread Terri Brown




I do have RR, I should use it more often.

They get treats together all the time. We call it "cookie time in 
Bordentown". I'll make a general announcement "Who wants a cookie? 
It's cookie time!" and they all come running!

Siggie LOVES his Fafur. If Sigs wants love and we aren't paying 
attention to him, he will pester us until we do. He's really a sweetie 
now...he gives me kisses on demand. I'll present my nose to him and ask 
him if he wants to give me kisses, and I get a little lick on the tip of my 
nose. He's my big orange baby.

How much does and animal communicator cost? I've never really looked 
into it, and to be quite frank, money is an issue.

I love my babies so much, and I do want them to all get along, but Guin is 
better with her littermate Sammi and baby Dori. She only seems to have 
issues with the males.

T

  - Original Message - 
  From: Nina 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 6:13 
  PM
  Subject: Re: OT: question - getting 
  along
  Man Terri, you have your hands full with their 
  personalities! Poor Siggie, he had such a rough start, his behavior 
  makes more sense now. How lucky he was to find you. I'd definitely 
  start adding RR to the water dishes, if you aren't already.I meant the 
  suggestion of feeding them treats next to each other to give them good 
  associations of being in close proximity. It doesn't really matter how 
  long they've lived together, they still haven't resolved their issues enough 
  to cohabitate peacefully. I understand Dan's being upset with the two of 
  them, but yelling and squirting are last ditch efforts, could they be 
  dissuaded from quarreling in a more subtle way? His getting upset, might 
  be creating a spiral that keeps them in the same patterns. I've found 
  that if I have to scold, then lavishing love immediately afterwards goes a 
  long way to easing resentments. Maybe you could shoo them off the bed 
  before he enters the room, or right afterward. Then start to give them 
  the chance to stay on the bed with warnings that they'll be booted off if they 
  can't get along. Does Guinevere have a place of sancuary? 
  Someplace that she feels is her's alone? When my Ursula was spraying her 
  displeasure at new arrivals, I fixed her a "perch" on top of a bureau in the 
  bedroom and chased all the other cats off when they tried to use it. I'd 
  tell them, this is for Ursula, everyone else stay off! Ursula loved 
  having a place that no one else was allowed to use and she stopped spraying, 
  (until something else pissed her off!).If you really want to "hear" 
  what they're thinking you should contact an animal communicator. Don't 
  tell whoever you call too much, let them do their job and reveal things to you 
  that will convince you that they are really in communication. Once 
  you're sure they are really "talking" with your guys, you can open up more and 
  see if between the bunch of you, you can resolve this 
  stuff.NinaTerri Brown wrote: 
  

Well, they've lived together for 2 years now, so introductions are long 
past!

She is fine as long as he isn't "in her space". They will sleep 
on the bed at the same time, but if he goes within a foot of her, she gets 
defensive immediately. Doesn't seem to matter what his attitude seems 
to be. She will growl and slap at him as she crouches really low to 
the floor. It looks like she's trying to say that she respects his 
position over her but she doesn’t want to socialize with him. He 
appears totake this quasi-submission/aggression as a challenge and 
that's when he bites her.

It mostly happens in the mornings, and usually when my husband is 
trying to wind down from work (he works overnight). Dan yells at 
Siggie and squirts him with water to get him away from her and it's 
over.

The thing is too that Siggie is the cat I had to retrain. He had 
SERIOUS kitty cat issues when I adopted him at 11 month old -- things that 
were with held from me. He was VERY aggressive with everyone and 
everything. History: he was the only kitten in a litter born to 
a feral mom that she did NOT reject (no sibling contact or 
socialization). Then he was taken away from her before he was ready (5 
weeks old) and taken in by a young couple with a disabled baby who already 
had a 12 year old tomcat who wanted NOTHING to do with him (he was beat up 
by the tom). So he bit and scratched and clawed out his existence to 
the point that this young couple just wanted to get him out of the house 
because he was hurting the baby. (He was advertised "free to good home", so 
I took him).

I had to teach him who was Top Cat (me). I had to teach him the 
difference between a love bite/nibble and a bad bite. He is almost 6 
years old now, and he has kit

Re: OT: question - getting along

2006-04-04 Thread Terri Brown




And yes, she does have a hiding place she loves.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Nina 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 6:13 
  PM
  Subject: Re: OT: question - getting 
  along
  Man Terri, you have your hands full with their 
  personalities! Poor Siggie, he had such a rough start, his behavior 
  makes more sense now. How lucky he was to find you. I'd definitely 
  start adding RR to the water dishes, if you aren't already.I meant the 
  suggestion of feeding them treats next to each other to give them good 
  associations of being in close proximity. It doesn't really matter how 
  long they've lived together, they still haven't resolved their issues enough 
  to cohabitate peacefully. I understand Dan's being upset with the two of 
  them, but yelling and squirting are last ditch efforts, could they be 
  dissuaded from quarreling in a more subtle way? His getting upset, might 
  be creating a spiral that keeps them in the same patterns. I've found 
  that if I have to scold, then lavishing love immediately afterwards goes a 
  long way to easing resentments. Maybe you could shoo them off the bed 
  before he enters the room, or right afterward. Then start to give them 
  the chance to stay on the bed with warnings that they'll be booted off if they 
  can't get along. Does Guinevere have a place of sancuary? 
  Someplace that she feels is her's alone? When my Ursula was spraying her 
  displeasure at new arrivals, I fixed her a "perch" on top of a bureau in the 
  bedroom and chased all the other cats off when they tried to use it. I'd 
  tell them, this is for Ursula, everyone else stay off! Ursula loved 
  having a place that no one else was allowed to use and she stopped spraying, 
  (until something else pissed her off!).If you really want to "hear" 
  what they're thinking you should contact an animal communicator. Don't 
  tell whoever you call too much, let them do their job and reveal things to you 
  that will convince you that they are really in communication. Once 
  you're sure they are really "talking" with your guys, you can open up more and 
  see if between the bunch of you, you can resolve this 
  stuff.NinaTerri Brown wrote: 
  

Well, they've lived together for 2 years now, so introductions are long 
past!

She is fine as long as he isn't "in her space". They will sleep 
on the bed at the same time, but if he goes within a foot of her, she gets 
defensive immediately. Doesn't seem to matter what his attitude seems 
to be. She will growl and slap at him as she crouches really low to 
the floor. It looks like she's trying to say that she respects his 
position over her but she doesn’t want to socialize with him. He 
appears totake this quasi-submission/aggression as a challenge and 
that's when he bites her.

It mostly happens in the mornings, and usually when my husband is 
trying to wind down from work (he works overnight). Dan yells at 
Siggie and squirts him with water to get him away from her and it's 
over.

The thing is too that Siggie is the cat I had to retrain. He had 
SERIOUS kitty cat issues when I adopted him at 11 month old -- things that 
were with held from me. He was VERY aggressive with everyone and 
everything. History: he was the only kitten in a litter born to 
a feral mom that she did NOT reject (no sibling contact or 
socialization). Then he was taken away from her before he was ready (5 
weeks old) and taken in by a young couple with a disabled baby who already 
had a 12 year old tomcat who wanted NOTHING to do with him (he was beat up 
by the tom). So he bit and scratched and clawed out his existence to 
the point that this young couple just wanted to get him out of the house 
because he was hurting the baby. (He was advertised "free to good home", so 
I took him).

I had to teach him who was Top Cat (me). I had to teach him the 
difference between a love bite/nibble and a bad bite. He is almost 6 
years old now, and he has kitty cat OCD

As for Travis, a stern word from me is usually enough to get him to 
back off enough so that either he will walk away or she will run away. 
She reacts to Travis the same way. If he is feeling punchy, she senses 
this and gets defensive.

I'm wishing I could "hear" her so she could tell me why she feels the 
way she does. But no matter how hard I listen, I don't get 
anything.