Fwd: Re: offlist
--- glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:48:39 -0700 (PDT) From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: offlist To: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, Tonya, I guess I have been put in my place? ( I have been judged by the best.) I humbly apologize to all here and elsewhere, whom I have upset with my opinions, and infuriated with my stupidity. Having been so enlightened by your revelations here, think it best, I exit this list. I certainly, being of grade 1 like Susan, could not possible contribute anything to this list anyway. Between you and I Tonya, that is the best compliment I have had for a long time, classified in Susan's league...whew! Eventually, this list will be of one opinion and all will be able to get along ,because more than likely, there will only be one or two left to share information, give support, and so on. Peace, love and joy to all, Glenda in Nebraska --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan is in grade 1 with you. You are both new to the list and posting your ideas as gospel when others of us have been dealing with felv for YEARS. It is very disruptive to the list. And I hate to say this because I see how what happened with your trapped cat being killed happened. But a lot of people left the list because of you taking that cat to animal control where it was put down. People who have been doing this for YEARS know you do NOT take cats to animal shelters unless you WANT them put down. I defended you as a newbie to people who have left the list, but many of them are still upset about what happened. They are upset that you didn't know better. When you sound off so harshly to Sherry and others acting as an 'expert' it doesn't help. tonya t glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So many of the people here put their heart and soul and every spare minute possible into helping and learning about cats/animals. There are certain basic rules of common sense that even I have learned in the last few months when it comes to dealing with these two diseases: FeLV and FIV. There are people here that have taught me a lot and who I depend on to answer questions that I might have or that might come up. There are people here with wonderful hearts that are just here learning the basics. I sincerely care for them all. We should NEVER attack each other. WE ARE ALL ONE. If I were to tell you what grade I am in, as in, elementary school, as compared to Susan, for example, I'd say I'm a mere first grader and I'd imagine Susan might be in high school... light years ahead of me, but here, we shall call it high school compared to first grade... high school for knowledge in the diseases we are dealing with and high school for experience dealing with animal rescues and shelters and the different ways of how they do what they do. I completely respect Susan's take on things and I trust her experience, admire her spirit...she says it like it is. I flower things up , but it is all the same...no matter how it is said. It is important to remember, IT IS ALL FOR THE ANIMALS. WE ARE SECONDARY. If we could sit, as like on a Board of Directors meeting, we could discuss what would be best for the animals and maybe compromise somehow and attempt to see each other's points. I have tried to keep myself in check, but it has been difficult when I am seeing everything I have so far learned here, being turned upside down by this rescue/shelter or that? I have so far dealt with a shelter that sent me a FeLV+ cat and butted heads with a shelter in Wisconsin with the everyone must be declawed thing going on... Right now the shelter of discussion is where Sherry gives her heart and soul. I try so hard to see all sides, but there are times I just cannot and if you were to ask me, if after I had just won $300 million in the lottery, who I would want to organize and run my, big fancy shelter. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SUSAN. That is all folks! Glenda Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
RE: offlist
Nobody leave! This getting stupid! Glenda, don't leave... -Caroline Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:50:53 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: Re: offlist To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org --- glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:48:39 -0700 (PDT) From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: offlist To: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]Well, Tonya, I guess I have been put in my place? ( I have been judged by the best.) I humbly apologize to all here and elsewhere, whom I have upset with my opinions, and infuriated with my stupidity. Having been so enlightened by your revelations here, think it best, I exit this list. I certainly, being of grade 1 like Susan, could not possible contribute anything to this list anyway. Between you and I Tonya, that is the best compliment I have had for a long time, classified in Susan's league...whew! Eventually, this list will be of one opinion and all will be able to get along ,because more than likely, there will only be one or two left to share information, give support, and so on. Peace, love and joy to all, Glenda in Nebraska --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan is in grade 1 with you. You are both new to the list and posting your ideas as gospel when others of us have been dealing with felv for YEARS.It is very disruptive to the list. And I hate to say this because I see how what happened with your trapped cat being killed happened. But a lot of people left the list because of you taking that cat to animal control where it was put down. People who have been doing this for YEARS know you do NOT take cats to animal shelters unless you WANT them put down. I defended you as a newbie to people who have left the list, but many of them are still upset about what happened. They are upset that you didn't know better. When you sound off so harshly to Sherry and others acting as an 'expert' it doesn't help. tonya t glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So many of the people here put their heart and soul and every spare minute possible into helping and learning about cats/animals.There are certain basic rules of common sense that even I have learned in the last few months when it comes to dealing with these two diseases: FeLV and FIV.There are people here that have taught me a lot and who I depend on to answer questions that I might have or that might come up. There are people here with wonderful hearts that are just here learning the basics. I sincerely care for them all. We should NEVER attack each other. WE ARE ALL ONE. If I were to tell you what grade I am in, as in,elementary school, as compared to Susan, for example, I'd say I'm a mere first grader and I'd imagine Susan might be in high school... light years ahead of me, but here, we shall call it high school compared to first grade... high school for knowledge in the diseases we are dealing with and high school for experience dealing with animal rescues and sheltersand the different ways of how they do what they do. I completely respect Susan's take on things and I trust her experience, admire her spirit...she says it like it is. I flower things up , but it is all the same...no matter how it is said.It is important to remember, IT IS ALL FOR THE ANIMALS. WE ARE SECONDARY. If we could sit, as like on a Board of Directors meeting, we could discuss what would be best for the animals and maybe compromise somehow and attempt to see each other's points.I have tried to keep myself in check, but it has been difficult when I am seeing everything I have so far learned here, being turned upside down by this rescue/shelter or that? I have so far dealt with a shelter that sent me a FeLV+ cat and butted heads with a shelter in Wisconsin with the everyone must be declawed thing going on... Right now the shelter of discussion is where Sherry gives her heart and soul. I try so hard to see all sides, but there are times I just cannot and if you were to ask me, if after I had just won $300 million in the lottery, who I would want to organize and run my, big fancy shelter. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SUSAN.That is all folks! Glenda Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658
Re: offlist
Nobody leave? Most people have already left. It is really sad. On 9/26/07, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody leave! This getting stupid! Glenda, don't leave... -Caroline Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:50:53 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: Re: offlist To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org --- glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:48:39 -0700 (PDT) From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: offlist To: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, Tonya, I guess I have been put in my place? ( I have been judged by the best.) I humbly apologize to all here and elsewhere, whom I have upset with my opinions, and infuriated with my stupidity. Having been so enlightened by your revelations here, think it best, I exit this list. I certainly, being of grade 1 like Susan, could not possible contribute anything to this list anyway. Between you and I Tonya, that is the best compliment I have had for a long time, classified in Susan's league...whew! Eventually, this list will be of one opinion and all will be able to get along ,because more than likely, there will only be one or two left to share information, give support, and so on. Peace, love and joy to all, Glenda in Nebraska --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan is in grade 1 with you. You are both new to the list and posting your ideas as gospel when others of us have been dealing with felv for YEARS. It is very disruptive to the list. And I hate to say this because I see how what happened with your trapped cat being killed happened. But a lot of people left the list because of you taking that cat to animal control where it was put down. People who have been doing this for YEARS know you do NOT take cats to animal shelters unless you WANT them put down. I defended you as a newbie to people who have left the list, but many of them are still upset about what happened. They are upset that you didn't know better. When you sound off so harshly to Sherry and others acting as an 'expert' it doesn't help. tonya t glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So many of the people here put their heart and soul and every spare minute possible into helping and learning about cats/animals. There are certain basic rules of common sense that even I have learned in the last few months when it comes to dealing with these two diseases: FeLV and FIV. There are people here that have taught me a lot and who I depend on to answer questions that I might have or that might come up. There are people here with wonderful hearts that are just here learning the basics. I sincerely care for them all. We should NEVER attack each other. WE ARE ALL ONE. If I were to tell you what grade I am in, as in, elementary school, as compared to Susan, for example, I'd say I'm a mere first grader and I'd imagine Susan might be in high school... light years ahead of me, but here, we shall call it high school compared to first grade... high school for knowledge in the diseases we are dealing with and high school for experience dealing with animal rescues and shelters and the different ways of how they do what they do. I completely respect Susan's take on things and I trust her experience, admire her spirit...she says it like it is. I flower things up , but it is all the same...no matter how it is said. It is important to remember, IT IS ALL FOR THE ANIMALS. WE ARE SECONDARY. If we could sit, as like on a Board of Directors meeting, we could discuss what would be best for the animals and maybe compromise somehow and attempt to see each other's points. I have tried to keep myself in check, but it has been difficult when I am seeing everything I have so far learned here, being turned upside down by this rescue/shelter or that? I have so far dealt with a shelter that sent me a FeLV+ cat and butted heads with a shelter in Wisconsin with the everyone must be declawed thing going on... Right now the shelter of discussion is where Sherry gives her heart and soul. I try so hard to see all sides, but there are times I just cannot and if you were to ask me, if after I had just won $300 million in the lottery, who I would want to organize and run my, big fancy shelter. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE SUSAN. That is all folks! Glenda Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com
RE: offlist
Most people have left? That's pathetic. Everyone has their opinions, they can be rude, they can get upset, blah blah blah. But aren't we all adults here? Hell, I'm probably the youngest person here, at twenty, and I'm finding this all rather ridiculous. Everyone here was really supportive when I was dealing with Olive's sickness, but it kind of upsets me that even more people could have helped, that there were people who used to be on here who might have had even better suggestions than the great ones that I received. Yeah, there probably wasn't much more I could've done for Olive, regardless of what people could tell me. But the thing is, it's SCARY that people have left over stupid bickering, when we NEED those people to help us with our sick babies. The more people there are, the more experience there is, and therefore more information is available. This list has made a difference for many people, but it could make a difference for so many more. Honestly, the fact that people have left simply because they couldn't get along with a couple of other people disgusts me. I guess if someone REALLY needs to leave, that's one thing. But over some petty bickering? Come on. I'm sure someone will find something to bitch at me for, but you know what? I don't care. I'm mature enough to just ignore it. And it's funny, because I don't even have a FeLV+ kitty anymore, yet I'm still on here. Really, the arguing doesn't bother me too much, aside from filling up my inbox. What bothers me is that people are leaving because of it. THIS IS FOR OUR CATS. THIS IS TO SAVE THEIR LIVES. I'm just thankful that this list exists, and it would sadden me to see it dwindle away. -Megan = Original Message From Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Nobody leave? Most people have already left. It is really sad. On 9/26/07, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody leave! This getting stupid! Glenda, don't leave... -Caroline Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:50:53 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: Re: offlist To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org --- glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:48:39 -0700 (PDT) From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: offlist To: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, Tonya, I guess I have been put in my place? ( I have been judged by the best.) I humbly apologize to all here and elsewhere, whom I have upset with my opinions, and infuriated with my stupidity. Having been so enlightened by your revelations here, think it best, I exit this list. I certainly, being of grade 1 like Susan, could not possible contribute anything to this list anyway. Between you and I Tonya, that is the best compliment I have had for a long time, classified in Susan's league...whew! Eventually, this list will be of one opinion and all will be able to get along ,because more than likely, there will only be one or two left to share information, give support, and so on. Peace, love and joy to all, Glenda in Nebraska --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan is in grade 1 with you. You are both new to the list and posting your ideas as gospel when others of us have been dealing with felv for YEARS. It is very disruptive to the list. And I hate to say this because I see how what happened with your trapped cat being killed happened. But a lot of people left the list because of you taking that cat to animal control where it was put down. People who have been doing this for YEARS know you do NOT take cats to animal shelters unless you WANT them put down. I defended you as a newbie to people who have left the list, but many of them are still upset about what happened. They are upset that you didn't know better. When you sound off so harshly to Sherry and others acting as an 'expert' it doesn't help. tonya t glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So many of the people here put their heart and soul and every spare minute possible into helping and learning about cats/animals. There are certain basic rules of common sense that even I have learned in the last few months when it comes to dealing with these two diseases: FeLV and FIV. There are people here that have taught me a lot and who I depend on to answer questions that I might have or that might come up. There are people here with wonderful hearts that are just here learning the basics. I sincerely care for them all. We should NEVER attack each other. WE ARE ALL ONE. If I were to tell you what grade I am in, as in, elementary school, as compared to Susan, for example, I'd say I'm a mere first grader and I'd imagine Susan might be in high school... light years ahead of me, but here, we shall call it high school
RE: offlist
Megan, I'm in the same boat as you. I don't have an FeLV kitty anymore, but I'm hanging around for a while to see if things improve. I'm glad you've stuck around too. I hope you are coping with the loss of sweet Olive. I forgot if you had any other kitties or had taken any in since then? Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan Heikkinen Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:02 PM To: felvtalk Subject: RE: offlist Most people have left? That's pathetic. Everyone has their opinions, they can be rude, they can get upset, blah blah blah. But aren't we all adults here? Hell, I'm probably the youngest person here, at twenty, and I'm finding this all rather ridiculous. Everyone here was really supportive when I was dealing with Olive's sickness, but it kind of upsets me that even more people could have helped, that there were people who used to be on here who might have had even better suggestions than the great ones that I received. Yeah, there probably wasn't much more I could've done for Olive, regardless of what people could tell me. But the thing is, it's SCARY that people have left over stupid bickering, when we NEED those people to help us with our sick babies. The more people there are, the more experience there is, and therefore more information is available. This list has made a difference for many people, but it could make a difference for so many more. Honestly, the fact that people have left simply because they couldn't get along with a couple of other people disgusts me. I guess if someone REALLY needs to leave, that's one thing. But over some petty bickering? Come on. I'm sure someone will find something to bitch at me for, but you know what? I don't care. I'm mature enough to just ignore it. And it's funny, because I don't even have a FeLV+ kitty anymore, yet I'm still on here. Really, the arguing doesn't bother me too much, aside from filling up my inbox. What bothers me is that people are leaving because of it. THIS IS FOR OUR CATS. THIS IS TO SAVE THEIR LIVES. I'm just thankful that this list exists, and it would sadden me to see it dwindle away. -Megan = Original Message From Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Nobody leave? Most people have already left. It is really sad. On 9/26/07, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody leave! This getting stupid! Glenda, don't leave... -Caroline Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:50:53 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: Re: offlist To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org --- glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:48:39 -0700 (PDT) From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: offlist To: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, Tonya, I guess I have been put in my place? ( I have been judged by the best.) I humbly apologize to all here and elsewhere, whom I have upset with my opinions, and infuriated with my stupidity. Having been so enlightened by your revelations here, think it best, I exit this list. I certainly, being of grade 1 like Susan, could not possible contribute anything to this list anyway. Between you and I Tonya, that is the best compliment I have had for a long time, classified in Susan's league...whew! Eventually, this list will be of one opinion and all will be able to get along ,because more than likely, there will only be one or two left to share information, give support, and so on. Peace, love and joy to all, Glenda in Nebraska --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan is in grade 1 with you. You are both new to the list and posting your ideas as gospel when others of us have been dealing with felv for YEARS. It is very disruptive to the list. And I hate to say this because I see how what happened with your trapped cat being killed happened. But a lot of people left the list because of you taking that cat to animal control where it was put down. People who have been doing this for YEARS know you do NOT take cats to animal shelters unless you WANT them put down. I defended you as a newbie to people who have left the list, but many of them are still upset about what happened. They are upset that you didn't know better. When you sound off so harshly to Sherry and others acting as an 'expert' it doesn't help. tonya t glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So many of the people here put their heart and soul and every spare minute possible into helping and learning about cats/animals. There are certain basic rules of common sense that even I have learned in the last few months when it comes to dealing with these two diseases: FeLV and FIV. There are people here that have taught me a lot and who I depend on to answer questions that I might have
Re: offlist
On 9/26/07, Megan Heikkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most people have left? That's pathetic. Everyone has their opinions, they can be rude, they can get upset, blah blah blah. But aren't we all adults here? Hell, I'm probably the youngest person here, at twenty, and I'm finding this all rather ridiculous. Everyone here was really supportive when I was dealing with Olive's sickness, but it kind of upsets me that even more people could have helped, that there were people who used to be on here who might have had even better suggestions than the great ones that I received. Yeah, there probably wasn't much more I could've done for Olive, regardless of what people could tell me. But the thing is, it's SCARY that people have left over stupid bickering, when we NEED those people to help us with our sick babies. But this isn't anyone's *job*. Yes, there has been talk on other lists about what will happen to the newbies here without the benefit of many of the people who have left. But if someone finds it a toxic environment I'm not going to tell them it is their responsibility to be somewhere they find unpleasant. Most of us work in rescue, or have multiple sick cats, etc and have a very low tolerance for the stuff that has been going on here lately. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: offlist
Hello. Our feline leuk+ cat Isabella is doing great. I am still here to share what is working for us and in case.. Laurie - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:34 PM Subject: RE: offlist Megan, I'm in the same boat as you. I don't have an FeLV kitty anymore, but I'm hanging around for a while to see if things improve. I'm glad you've stuck around too. I hope you are coping with the loss of sweet Olive. I forgot if you had any other kitties or had taken any in since then? Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan Heikkinen Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:02 PM To: felvtalk Subject: RE: offlist Most people have left? That's pathetic. Everyone has their opinions, they can be rude, they can get upset, blah blah blah. But aren't we all adults here? Hell, I'm probably the youngest person here, at twenty, and I'm finding this all rather ridiculous. Everyone here was really supportive when I was dealing with Olive's sickness, but it kind of upsets me that even more people could have helped, that there were people who used to be on here who might have had even better suggestions than the great ones that I received. Yeah, there probably wasn't much more I could've done for Olive, regardless of what people could tell me. But the thing is, it's SCARY that people have left over stupid bickering, when we NEED those people to help us with our sick babies. The more people there are, the more experience there is, and therefore more information is available. This list has made a difference for many people, but it could make a difference for so many more. Honestly, the fact that people have left simply because they couldn't get along with a couple of other people disgusts me. I guess if someone REALLY needs to leave, that's one thing. But over some petty bickering? Come on. I'm sure someone will find something to bitch at me for, but you know what? I don't care. I'm mature enough to just ignore it. And it's funny, because I don't even have a FeLV+ kitty anymore, yet I'm still on here. Really, the arguing doesn't bother me too much, aside from filling up my inbox. What bothers me is that people are leaving because of it. THIS IS FOR OUR CATS. THIS IS TO SAVE THEIR LIVES. I'm just thankful that this list exists, and it would sadden me to see it dwindle away. -Megan = Original Message From Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Nobody leave? Most people have already left. It is really sad. On 9/26/07, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody leave! This getting stupid! Glenda, don't leave... -Caroline Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:50:53 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: Re: offlist To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org --- glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:48:39 -0700 (PDT) From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: offlist To: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, Tonya, I guess I have been put in my place? ( I have been judged by the best.) I humbly apologize to all here and elsewhere, whom I have upset with my opinions, and infuriated with my stupidity. Having been so enlightened by your revelations here, think it best, I exit this list. I certainly, being of grade 1 like Susan, could not possible contribute anything to this list anyway. Between you and I Tonya, that is the best compliment I have had for a long time, classified in Susan's league...whew! Eventually, this list will be of one opinion and all will be able to get along ,because more than likely, there will only be one or two left to share information, give support, and so on. Peace, love and joy to all, Glenda in Nebraska --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan is in grade 1 with you. You are both new to the list and posting your ideas as gospel when others of us have been dealing with felv for YEARS. It is very disruptive to the list. And I hate to say this because I see how what happened with your trapped cat being killed happened. But a lot of people left the list because of you taking that cat to animal control where it was put down. People who have been doing this for YEARS know you do NOT take cats to animal shelters unless you WANT them put down. I defended you as a newbie to people who have left the list, but many of them are still upset about what happened. They are upset that you didn't know better. When you sound off so harshly to Sherry and others acting as an 'expert' it doesn't help. tonya t glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So many of the people here put their heart and soul and every spare minute possible into helping and learning about cats/animals. There are certain basic rules of common sense that even I have learned
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For the first 3 years I was on this list--December 2003--2006--it was the most informative and supportive group one could ever hope to come across. It came from the top: the founder James, co-founders including Belinda, and several exceptionally well-informed, supportive, generous, mature individuals who worked really, really, really hard to keep the support and information flowing to existing and new members. It really was a marvellous, unique group. Then a mean comment was made by one member, then another. And the meanness grew and eventually infected the list. And one by one, many of the stalwarts left. Kelly is right---it's no one's job. And everyone is human. The fact of the matter is that due to meanness and nastiness the list lost some truly wonderful people and it's a poorer group as a result. It has been very sad to watch. Kerry M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: offlist On 9/26/07, Megan Heikkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most people have left? That's pathetic. Everyone has their opinions, they can be rude, they can get upset, blah blah blah. But aren't we all adults here? Hell, I'm probably the youngest person here, at twenty, and I'm finding this all rather ridiculous. Everyone here was really supportive when I was dealing with Olive's sickness, but it kind of upsets me that even more people could have helped, that there were people who used to be on here who might have had even better suggestions than the great ones that I received. Yeah, there probably wasn't much more I could've done for Olive, regardless of what people could tell me. But the thing is, it's SCARY that people have left over stupid bickering, when we NEED those people to help us with our sick babies. But this isn't anyone's *job*. Yes, there has been talk on other lists about what will happen to the newbies here without the benefit of many of the people who have left. But if someone finds it a toxic environment I'm not going to tell them it is their responsibility to be somewhere they find unpleasant. Most of us work in rescue, or have multiple sick cats, etc and have a very low tolerance for the stuff that has been going on here lately. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer Brown LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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That's great to hear that you and Isabella are doing well! I'm glad to hear other voices out there! It's encouraging to know that not everyone has left. Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: offlist Hello. Our feline leuk+ cat Isabella is doing great. I am still here to share what is working for us and in case.. Laurie - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:34 PM Subject: RE: offlist Megan, I'm in the same boat as you. I don't have an FeLV kitty anymore, but I'm hanging around for a while to see if things improve. I'm glad you've stuck around too. I hope you are coping with the loss of sweet Olive. I forgot if you had any other kitties or had taken any in since then? Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan Heikkinen Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:02 PM To: felvtalk Subject: RE: offlist Most people have left? That's pathetic. Everyone has their opinions, they can be rude, they can get upset, blah blah blah. But aren't we all adults here? Hell, I'm probably the youngest person here, at twenty, and I'm finding this all rather ridiculous. Everyone here was really supportive when I was dealing with Olive's sickness, but it kind of upsets me that even more people could have helped, that there were people who used to be on here who might have had even better suggestions than the great ones that I received. Yeah, there probably wasn't much more I could've done for Olive, regardless of what people could tell me. But the thing is, it's SCARY that people have left over stupid bickering, when we NEED those people to help us with our sick babies. The more people there are, the more experience there is, and therefore more information is available. This list has made a difference for many people, but it could make a difference for so many more. Honestly, the fact that people have left simply because they couldn't get along with a couple of other people disgusts me. I guess if someone REALLY needs to leave, that's one thing. But over some petty bickering? Come on. I'm sure someone will find something to bitch at me for, but you know what? I don't care. I'm mature enough to just ignore it. And it's funny, because I don't even have a FeLV+ kitty anymore, yet I'm still on here. Really, the arguing doesn't bother me too much, aside from filling up my inbox. What bothers me is that people are leaving because of it. THIS IS FOR OUR CATS. THIS IS TO SAVE THEIR LIVES. I'm just thankful that this list exists, and it would sadden me to see it dwindle away. -Megan = Original Message From Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Nobody leave? Most people have already left. It is really sad. On 9/26/07, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody leave! This getting stupid! Glenda, don't leave... -Caroline Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:50:53 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: Re: offlist To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org --- glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:48:39 -0700 (PDT) From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: offlist To: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, Tonya, I guess I have been put in my place? ( I have been judged by the best.) I humbly apologize to all here and elsewhere, whom I have upset with my opinions, and infuriated with my stupidity. Having been so enlightened by your revelations here, think it best, I exit this list. I certainly, being of grade 1 like Susan, could not possible contribute anything to this list anyway. Between you and I Tonya, that is the best compliment I have had for a long time, classified in Susan's league...whew! Eventually, this list will be of one opinion and all will be able to get along ,because more than likely, there will only be one or two left to share information, give support, and so on. Peace, love and joy to all, Glenda in Nebraska --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Susan is in grade 1 with you. You are both new to the list and posting your ideas as gospel when others of us have been dealing with felv for YEARS. It is very disruptive to the list. And I hate to say this because I see how what happened with your trapped cat being killed happened. But a lot of people left the list because of you taking that cat to animal control where it was put down. People who have been doing this for YEARS know you do NOT take cats to animal shelters unless you WANT them put down. I defended you as a newbie to people who have left the list, but many of them
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Hi Laurie,it is good to hear that Isabella is doing great!! :) I will keep you both in my thoughts. Sherry laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. Our feline leuk+ cat Isabella is doing great. I am still here to share what is working for us and in case.. Laurie - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:34 PM Subject: RE: offlist Megan, I'm in the same boat as you. I don't have an FeLV kitty anymore, but I'm hanging around for a while to see if things improve. I'm glad you've stuck around too. I hope you are coping with the loss of sweet Olive. I forgot if you had any other kitties or had taken any in since then? Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan Heikkinen Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 3:02 PM To: felvtalk Subject: RE: offlist Most people have left? That's pathetic. Everyone has their opinions, they can be rude, they can get upset, blah blah blah. But aren't we all adults here? Hell, I'm probably the youngest person here, at twenty, and I'm finding this all rather ridiculous. Everyone here was really supportive when I was dealing with Olive's sickness, but it kind of upsets me that even more people could have helped, that there were people who used to be on here who might have had even better suggestions than the great ones that I received. Yeah, there probably wasn't much more I could've done for Olive, regardless of what people could tell me. But the thing is, it's SCARY that people have left over stupid bickering, when we NEED those people to help us with our sick babies. The more people there are, the more experience there is, and therefore more information is available. This list has made a difference for many people, but it could make a difference for so many more. Honestly, the fact that people have left simply because they couldn't get along with a couple of other people disgusts me. I guess if someone REALLY needs to leave, that's one thing. But over some petty bickering? Come on. I'm sure someone will find something to bitch at me for, but you know what? I don't care. I'm mature enough to just ignore it. And it's funny, because I don't even have a FeLV+ kitty anymore, yet I'm still on here. Really, the arguing doesn't bother me too much, aside from filling up my inbox. What bothers me is that people are leaving because of it. THIS IS FOR OUR CATS. THIS IS TO SAVE THEIR LIVES. I'm just thankful that this list exists, and it would sadden me to see it dwindle away. -Megan = Original Message From Kelley Saveika = Nobody leave? Most people have already left. It is really sad. On 9/26/07, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: Nobody leave! This getting stupid! Glenda, don't leave... -Caroline Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:50:53 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: Re: offlist To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org --- glenda Goodman wrote: Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:48:39 -0700 (PDT) From: glenda Goodman Subject: Re: offlist To: catatonya Well, Tonya, I guess I have been put in my place? ( I have been judged by the best.) I humbly apologize to all here and elsewhere, whom I have upset with my opinions, and infuriated with my stupidity. Having been so enlightened by your revelations here, think it best, I exit this list. I certainly, being of grade 1 like Susan, could not possible contribute anything to this list anyway. Between you and I Tonya, that is the best compliment I have had for a long time, classified in Susan's league...whew! Eventually, this list will be of one opinion and all will be able to get along ,because more than likely, there will only be one or two left to share information, give support, and so on. Peace, love and joy to all, Glenda in Nebraska --- catatonya wrote: Susan is in grade 1 with you. You are both new to the list and posting your ideas as gospel when others of us have been dealing with felv for YEARS. It is very disruptive to the list. And I hate to say this because I see how what happened with your trapped cat being killed happened. But a lot of people left the list because of you taking that cat to animal control where it was put down. People who have been doing this for YEARS know you do NOT take cats to animal shelters unless you WANT them put down. I defended you as a newbie to people who have left the list, but many of them are still upset about what happened. They are upset that you didn't know better. When you sound off so harshly to Sherry and others acting as an 'expert' it doesn't help. tonya t glenda Goodman wrote: So many of the people here put their heart and soul and every spare minute possible into helping and learning about
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H i all, It has been along time since i have read any post. I have save a few but i have read all. What has happen to this group. I was thinking it was about cats not poeple. I hope things get better becuse i would like to find more about FELINE LEUKEMIMA then poeple not getting along. I have belong to orther groups like this there was not one posts after a few weeks. Then there was no web site. You all have help get My self my girlfriends thought loseing our beloved Sassy. I hope the find a cat like her someday again. But with out everyones help i would be lost. Hope everything get back to where it was. How i will get off my soap box. Hope everyone has a good night a better tomorrow. Joe O -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 16 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len
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Of course it isn't a job. It's an online mailing list intended for sharing of information and support. In no way whatsoever is it like a job. If it feels like one, something is wrong. Really, being on this list and responding to people should not take up that much time, unless you let it. If you DO spend a lot of time helping people, then that shows what a good, caring person you are. But in no way is anyone obligated to spend hours responding to every single question. No one is really obligated to do anything on here, but people do because they care. Because this is an online list, it's really, really easy to ignore people. It's also very, very easy to speak your mind. Internet drama is so easy to spark up. I've seen it many a time before. The point is, yes, things said on here can get people pissed off or upset. And I understand, it's not fun doing all that hard work out in the real world and then coming home to see all of this animosity in your mailbox. It can be exhausting. If it truly is a toxic environment, then leaving would probably be a good idea. It would just be a damn shame to lose people simply because everyone can't get along. It just seems like if everyone is really so concerned about all the kitties out there in the world, they would stay on this list just to possibly save a few more of them, even if those kitties belong to people you don't agree with. -Megan = Original Message From Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] = But this isn't anyone's *job*. Yes, there has been talk on other lists about what will happen to the newbies here without the benefit of many of the people who have left. But if someone finds it a toxic environment I'm not going to tell them it is their responsibility to be somewhere they find unpleasant. Most of us work in rescue, or have multiple sick cats, etc and have a very low tolerance for the stuff that has been going on here lately.
