Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list
I've always directed people to this list, but if the first thing they see when they look at the archives is talk about politics hunting they may just turn away. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: GRAS g...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list As someone posted already, as soon as someone needs advice, the off topic will change immediately. This happens during a lull – we haven’t had any serious issues for a while!, which is good. Then your problem came along, and I saw quite a few replies from several people; if you feel it wasn’t enough, ask again, what specific concerns or explanations you require after the advice was given. Yes, FeLV is super serious, and this is exactly where you can get help. From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of janine paton Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list I am surprised this list got so off topic. A few years ago, this wouldn't be allowed to happen. I have very strong political opinions, and very strong opinions about hunting, but what I rejoined this list for was only to understand how to deal with 9 kittens from a few different litters in same colony, where one tested positive and I think I got one, maybe two answers. I guess it's OK to talk about other things, if a newcomer feels like he or she has been listened to, but I did not. For me, 9 kittens are a lot of kittens to worry about even with past LK experience. So I don't really see how a total newcomer would have been helped by this list over the last week or two whatsoever. Leukemia is scary, and this list should be an opportunity to educate. I don't feel comfortable sending people to this list if they are ignored. Would rather stick to common sense, out of the box, how to help and what to expect. It's shame to loose this resource. My 2 cents. Janine From:Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, October 6, 2012 7:30:29 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again That’s what my vet gives me – Cyproheptadine (Periactin) – ¼ pill does a good job. From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 9:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again Another brain cell woke up and reminded me that there's also an antihistamine called Ciproheptadine. I'm thinking that this is the one they use as an appetite stimulant. I just Googled it and sure enough, this is the one. If you want more information on getting your cat to eat go to the following Website: Tanya's Comprehensive Guide to Feline Chronic Kidney Disease. The URL is: www.crf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm There are some other hints on getting an anorexic cat to chow down also. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From:Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again I have been trying that, she eats just a smidge and then turns away :( Thank you :) Poor thing is just wasting away and I feel so helpless :( Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 17:58:20 -0400 From: ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again You can try gerber stage2 baby food...the meat kind (ham, beef, turkey, etc). Not all thw nutrition a cat needs but it gets them something. Christiane Biagi Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list
Do you have the kitten who tested positive? Usually, if the are healthy except for the positive test, they will throw off the exposure to the virus, especially if they are not stressed and getting good quality food and care. The other nine, since you have them with you I assume, have very little likelihood of becoming positive. Most positives result from close interaction with a cat who is a definite positive or is actually experiencing the disease. Most kitten positives have a 50/50 chance of turning negative. I have had two adult positives turn negative. Both are still alive. One is 7 years old, the other is about 3 but he's also FIV+ so he's in my FIV group, mainly because the FIV group has cats who never learned not to argue with each other. I have two little darlings who are FIV+ mixed in with my regular community of inside cats. Sorry you didn't get the advice you were looking for. Even when we are not off topic, some questions are slow to get answered or the people online at the time really don't have the answers. Cats who are actually leukemia positive can live long, healthy lives. Sometimes they live an average cat life and pass from something that an average cat would pass from, like renal failure. I adopted out a FeLv+ cat to a woman who is used to taking care of cats like that. Her first cat passed in 2 years. The cat she adopted from me after that passed in 4 years and the one she adopted from me after that is still alive at age 6. It depends on a lot of factors, not only the FeLv. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: janine paton patonjan...@sbcglobal.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list I am surprised this list got so off topic. A few years ago, this wouldn't be allowed to happen. I have very strong political opinions, and very strong opinions about hunting, but what I rejoined this list for was only to understand how to deal with 9 kittens from a few different litters in same colony, where one tested positive and I think I got one, maybe two answers. I guess it's OK to talk about other things, if a newcomer feels like he or she has been listened to, but I did not. For me, 9 kittens are a lot of kittens to worry about even with past LK experience. So I don't really see how a total newcomer would have been helped by this list over the last week or two whatsoever. Leukemia is scary, and this list should be an opportunity to educate. I don't feel comfortable sending people to this list if they are ignored. Would rather stick to common sense, out of the box, how to help and what to expect. It's shame to loose this resource. My 2 cents. Janine F ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list
As someone posted already, as soon as someone needs advice, the off topic will change immediately. This happens during a lull – we haven’t had any serious issues for a while!, which is good. Then your problem came along, and I saw quite a few replies from several people; if you feel it wasn’t enough, ask again, what specific concerns or explanations you require after the advice was given. Yes, FeLV is super serious, and this is exactly where you can get help. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of janine paton Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list I am surprised this list got so off topic. A few years ago, this wouldn't be allowed to happen. I have very strong political opinions, and very strong opinions about hunting, but what I rejoined this list for was only to understand how to deal with 9 kittens from a few different litters in same colony, where one tested positive and I think I got one, maybe two answers. I guess it's OK to talk about other things, if a newcomer feels like he or she has been listened to, but I did not. For me, 9 kittens are a lot of kittens to worry about even with past LK experience. So I don't really see how a total newcomer would have been helped by this list over the last week or two whatsoever. Leukemia is scary, and this list should be an opportunity to educate. I don't feel comfortable sending people to this list if they are ignored. Would rather stick to common sense, out of the box, how to help and what to expect.It's shame to loose this resource. My 2 cents. Janine _ From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, October 6, 2012 7:30:29 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again That’s what my vet gives me – Cyproheptadine (Periactin) – ¼ pill does a good job. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 9:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again Another brain cell woke up and reminded me that there's also an antihistamine called Ciproheptadine. I'm thinking that this is the one they use as an appetite stimulant. I just Googled it and sure enough, this is the one. If you want more information on getting your cat to eat go to the following Website: Tanya's Comprehensive Guide to Feline Chronic Kidney Disease. The URL is: www.crf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm There are some other hints on getting an anorexic cat to chow down also. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again I have been trying that, she eats just a smidge and then turns away :( Thank you :) Poor thing is just wasting away and I feel so helpless :( Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 17:58:20 -0400 From: ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again You can try gerber stage2 baby food...the meat kind (ham, beef, turkey, etc). Not all thw nutrition a cat needs but it gets them something. Christiane Biagi Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Some of the time kittens from a FelV mom will throw off the virus, but not always. I am hoping the 4 pos. kittens I now have in my sanctuary will be negative when I retest at the end of Oct. They are not caged, and they have 3 large rooms to run around in, lots of toys, good food and TLC. So no stress! Lorrie On 10-07, Lee Evans wrote: Do you have the kitten who tested positive? Usually, if the are healthy except for the positive test, they will throw off the exposure to the virus, especially if they are not stressed and getting good quality food and care. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Edna, ondansetron (generic for Zofran) is a good med for nausea for cats. Your vet will have to give you a Rx for it. Check around at your local pharmacies as cost will vary a lot. Usual dose is 1 mg every 8-12 hrs. That and the pain meds will help make her comfortable. I also fed whatever they wanted from meat baby food to baked salmon. Ondansetron can also be ordered on line with a Rx from http://www.thrivingpets.com/ Hugs to Sophia Sharyl From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again She does get nauseous a lot and we have her on some strong pain meds. She is losing so much weight but I give her Fancy Feast and love on her. Unlike dogs, cats are such picky eaters to begin with :( I wish she would eat burgers and fries. The vet who diagnosed her has been our vet for a long time and I absolutely trust her. I knew something was wrong with SuzieQ because she just wasn't acting like herself and she was a bit thinner and then Dr. M found a big mass in her abdomen, did surgery and took a biopsy, it came back cancer :( I try to give her lots of attention but unfortunately Frank goes out of town so much and I work full-time so when I get home I have to clean up and take care of everyone else and then I try to spend extra time alone with her :(___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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That’s what my vet gives me – Cyproheptadine (Periactin) – ¼ pill does a good job. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 9:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again Another brain cell woke up and reminded me that there's also an antihistamine called Ciproheptadine. I'm thinking that this is the one they use as an appetite stimulant. I just Googled it and sure enough, this is the one. If you want more information on getting your cat to eat go to the following Website: Tanya's Comprehensive Guide to Feline Chronic Kidney Disease. The URL is: www.crf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm There are some other hints on getting an anorexic cat to chow down also. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again I have been trying that, she eats just a smidge and then turns away :( Thank you :) Poor thing is just wasting away and I feel so helpless :( Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 17:58:20 -0400 From: ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again You can try gerber stage2 baby food...the meat kind (ham, beef, turkey, etc). Not all thw nutrition a cat needs but it gets them something. Christiane Biagi Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again/back to Leukemia list
I am surprised this list got so off topic. A few years ago, this wouldn't be allowed to happen. I have very strong political opinions, and very strong opinions about hunting, but what I rejoined this list for was only to understand how to deal with 9 kittens from a few different litters in same colony, where one tested positive and I think I got one, maybe two answers. I guess it's OK to talk about other things, if a newcomer feels like he or she has been listened to, but I did not. For me, 9 kittens are a lot of kittens to worry about even with past LK experience. So I don't really see how a total newcomer would have been helped by this list over the last week or two whatsoever. Leukemia is scary, and this list should be an opportunity to educate. I don't feel comfortable sending people to this list if they are ignored. Would rather stick to common sense, out of the box, how to help and what to expect.It's shame to loose this resource. My 2 cents. Janine From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, October 6, 2012 7:30:29 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again That’s what my vet gives me – Cyproheptadine (Periactin) – ¼ pill does a good job. From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 9:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again Another brain cell woke up and reminded me that there's also an antihistamine called Ciproheptadine. I'm thinking that this is the one they use as an appetite stimulant. I just Googled it and sure enough, this is the one. If you want more information on getting your cat to eat go to the following Website: Tanya's Comprehensive Guide to Feline Chronic Kidney Disease. The URL is: www.crf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm There are some other hints on getting an anorexic cat to chow down also. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From:Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again I have been trying that, she eats just a smidge and then turns away :( Thank you :) Poor thing is just wasting away and I feel so helpless :( Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 17:58:20 -0400 From: ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again You can try gerber stage2 baby food...the meat kind (ham, beef, turkey, etc). Not all thw nutrition a cat needs but it gets them something. Christiane Biagi Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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REALLY? Y'all think so? I don't think anyone is being mean and hateful, but then again, I tend to see the positive side of most things :) Anywho, I'll ask again DOES anyone have any advice on things I can do to make SuzieQ more comfortable in her last days. She is 2-3 years old, was diagnosed with a rapidly advancing cancer a couple of weeks ago, doctor said she was exposed to FeLuk as a kitten even though she was able to shed the virus but there is nothing we can do because the cancer has already compromised her liver, etc. Anyone have any pearls of wisdom to share From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 13:46:04 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed because the people were so wonderful. It has gone way, way downhill. On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote: I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Don't fret Elizabeth. Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here. We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test FeLv+. It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group. We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and discuss hair styles and shoe styles. If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you with your issue. Blessings. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the world hunt—they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then the list is now into politics. What happened to helping deliver information about feline leukemia? People that look in to get help see this and leave. It is heartbreaking that this is deteriorating away from what brought all to the list in the first place. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again
Give SusieQ lots of pain meds and ice cream. Oh wait, that's my prescription. I guess all you can do is keep her happy and feeling good as long as possible. You just address each problem as it comes up. Anything specific going on right now? I know when the liver starts going it makes them nauseated. There's some meds that can help with that if she's feeling good otherwise. Do you really trust this vet? You could always get a second opinion if there's any doubt in your mind that he might have misdiagnosed her. Hard to tell you what to do without knowing if there is something specific bothering her right now. Heard accupuncture helps with pain and different things but it depends on whether she's having pain right now. If there really is nothing left to do just give her anything she wants even if you normally wouldn't give it to them. When my dog had cancer we went to Burger King and Dairy Queen a lot. I cooked anything I could think of that he might really like. We had salmon fillets, talapia, etc. Anything he wanted or anything I thought he might want he got. But most especially I held him and loved on him. Same with the cats. They got lots of extra attention. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 13:52:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again REALLY? Y'all think so? I don't think anyone is being mean and hateful, but then again, I tend to see the positive side of most things :) Anywho, I'll ask again DOES anyone have any advice on things I can do to make SuzieQ more comfortable in her last days. She is 2-3 years old, was diagnosed with a rapidly advancing cancer a couple of weeks ago, doctor said she was exposed to FeLuk as a kitten even though she was able to shed the virus but there is nothing we can do because the cancer has already compromised her liver, etc. Anyone have any pearls of wisdom to share From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 13:46:04 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed because the people were so wonderful. It has gone way, way downhill. On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote: I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Don't fret Elizabeth. Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here. We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test FeLv+. It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group. We all agree on the religion but we may all approach it in a different way and see it in a different way and even get way off topic and discuss hair styles and shoe styles. If you have a question about feline leukemia, please ask it and we will discontinue our chat about everything under the sun and moon and help you with your issue. Blessings. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:38 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject) This list has always been so very helpful—now it is full of judgmental people that do nothing but bash those with different views. What is happening to this list? If people hunt they are evil. Like it or not many people all over the world hunt—they are all condemned because there are those that hate it. Then the list is now
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She does get nauseous a lot and we have her on some strong pain meds. She is losing so much weight but I give her Fancy Feast and love on her. Unlike dogs, cats are such picky eaters to begin with :( I wish she would eat burgers and fries. The vet who diagnosed her has been our vet for a long time and I absolutely trust her. I knew something was wrong with SuzieQ because she just wasn't acting like herself and she was a bit thinner and then Dr. M found a big mass in her abdomen, did surgery and took a biopsy, it came back cancer :( I try to give her lots of attention but unfortunately Frank goes out of town so much and I work full-time so when I get home I have to clean up and take care of everyone else and then I try to spend extra time alone with her :( From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:40:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again Give SusieQ lots of pain meds and ice cream. Oh wait, that's my prescription. I guess all you can do is keep her happy and feeling good as long as possible. You just address each problem as it comes up. Anything specific going on right now? I know when the liver starts going it makes them nauseated. There's some meds that can help with that if she's feeling good otherwise. Do you really trust this vet? You could always get a second opinion if there's any doubt in your mind that he might have misdiagnosed her. Hard to tell you what to do without knowing if there is something specific bothering her right now. Heard accupuncture helps with pain and different things but it depends on whether she's having pain right now. If there really is nothing left to do just give her anything she wants even if you normally wouldn't give it to them. When my dog had cancer we went to Burger King and Dairy Queen a lot. I cooked anything I could think of that he might really like. We had salmon fillets, talapia, etc. Anything he wanted or anything I thought he might want he got. But most especially I held him and loved on him. Same with the cats. They got lots of extra attention. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 13:52:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again REALLY? Y'all think so? I don't think anyone is being mean and hateful, but then again, I tend to see the positive side of most things :) Anywho, I'll ask again DOES anyone have any advice on things I can do to make SuzieQ more comfortable in her last days. She is 2-3 years old, was diagnosed with a rapidly advancing cancer a couple of weeks ago, doctor said she was exposed to FeLuk as a kitten even though she was able to shed the virus but there is nothing we can do because the cancer has already compromised her liver, etc. Anyone have any pearls of wisdom to share From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 13:46:04 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) I have to agree - this list used to be such a positive influence in my life - I joined years ago when I had a kitten test false pos - and I stayed because the people were so wonderful. It has gone way, way downhill. On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote: I have been with this list since my kitten developed Feline Leukemia in 2006. I have seen it go way off topic and people that have been invaluable leave. I realize I don’t post often, but as I am with many animal groups I do send people that are struggling. It was most disheartening to know that they were not able to get help, but did learn that people hated their beliefs. They just needed guidance because they are dealing with this for the first time. This has always been a place to hear the newest treatments and for those given grim news the knowledge that there is always hope. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject) Don't fret Elizabeth. Occasionally we get a little off topic but we soon get back on the road. Just like you would take a journey and have to pull over to the shoulder of the road to allow your car to cool down we do the same here. We all have different opinions and sometimes we just like to cool down by having a chat with people we feel safe with - people who rescue cats and who understand the ethical decisions we make in not killing those cats who test FeLv+. It feels to me like sitting down to dinner with a church group. We all agree
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Yeah, at the end even my dog didn't want to eat. And oh boy don't I know how picky cats are compared to dogs!!! Maybe she'd like sardines. My cats like canned chicken too. Of course chicken flavored baby food is always a hit. You've got to keep her eating something. If she's still happy with Fancy Feast that's great. Also, sometimes with cancer even if they're eating good they'll loose weight. Forgot what it's called but the cancer keeps the body from absorbing the nutrients or it destroys the nutrients or something like that so basically a person with cancer can become malnourished even though they're eating good. They have a couple things for nausea and she's definitely not going to eat if she's nauseous. One drug is Cerenia and that's what my vet gave me but another good one is something called Ondansetron (generic name). I heard about that through the feline kidney disease group. Most of the members like the Ondansetron much better than Cerenia. My vet didn't have it and he thought Cerenia was better but I told him I wanted a prescription for the other because the folks on the list recommended it. You can order the Ondansetron from Thriving Pets website. You just fax them your prescription. Local pharmacies might have it too. I think that's where I ended up getting it. My cat had renal lymphoma, not regular old kidney failure which would have been better, and she went downhill so fast I never got a chance to see if the Ondansetron was better than Cerenia. Any little bit of extra time you can give her is great, even though you might not think it's enough. Plus if she's feeling bad she probably only wants a certain amount of interaction so I'm sure the extra time you give her is enough to keep her happy. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:46:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again She does get nauseous a lot and we have her on some strong pain meds. She is losing so much weight but I give her Fancy Feast and love on her. Unlike dogs, cats are such picky eaters to begin with :( I wish she would eat burgers and fries. The vet who diagnosed her has been our vet for a long time and I absolutely trust her. I knew something was wrong with SuzieQ because she just wasn't acting like herself and she was a bit thinner and then Dr. M found a big mass in her abdomen, did surgery and took a biopsy, it came back cancer :( I try to give her lots of attention but unfortunately Frank goes out of town so much and I work full-time so when I get home I have to clean up and take care of everyone else and then I try to spend extra time alone with her :( From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:40:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again Give SusieQ lots of pain meds and ice cream. Oh wait, that's my prescription. I guess all you can do is keep her happy and feeling good as long as possible. You just address each problem as it comes up. Anything specific going on right now? I know when the liver starts going it makes them nauseated. There's some meds that can help with that if she's feeling good otherwise. Do you really trust this vet? You could always get a second opinion if there's any doubt in your mind that he might have misdiagnosed her. Hard to tell you what to do without knowing if there is something specific bothering her right now. Heard accupuncture helps with pain and different things but it depends on whether she's having pain right now. If there really is nothing left to do just give her anything she wants even if you normally wouldn't give it to them. When my dog had cancer we went to Burger King and Dairy Queen a lot. I cooked anything I could think of that he might really like. We had salmon fillets, talapia, etc. Anything he wanted or anything I thought he might want he got. But most especially I held him and loved on him. Same with the cats. They got lots of extra attention. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http
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Thanks for the info and advice, I just called the vet to ask about anti-nausea meds From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 16:30:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again Yeah, at the end even my dog didn't want to eat. And oh boy don't I know how picky cats are compared to dogs!!! Maybe she'd like sardines. My cats like canned chicken too. Of course chicken flavored baby food is always a hit. You've got to keep her eating something. If she's still happy with Fancy Feast that's great. Also, sometimes with cancer even if they're eating good they'll loose weight. Forgot what it's called but the cancer keeps the body from absorbing the nutrients or it destroys the nutrients or something like that so basically a person with cancer can become malnourished even though they're eating good. They have a couple things for nausea and she's definitely not going to eat if she's nauseous. One drug is Cerenia and that's what my vet gave me but another good one is something called Ondansetron (generic name). I heard about that through the feline kidney disease group. Most of the members like the Ondansetron much better than Cerenia. My vet didn't have it and he thought Cerenia was better but I told him I wanted a prescription for the other because the folks on the list recommended it. You can order the Ondansetron from Thriving Pets website. You just fax them your prescription. Local pharmacies might have it too. I think that's where I ended up getting it. My cat had renal lymphoma, not regular old kidney failure which would have been better, and she went downhill so fast I never got a chance to see if the Ondansetron was better than Cerenia. Any little bit of extra time you can give her is great, even though you might not think it's enough. Plus if she's feeling bad she probably only wants a certain amount of interaction so I'm sure the extra time you give her is enough to keep her happy. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:46:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again She does get nauseous a lot and we have her on some strong pain meds. She is losing so much weight but I give her Fancy Feast and love on her. Unlike dogs, cats are such picky eaters to begin with :( I wish she would eat burgers and fries. The vet who diagnosed her has been our vet for a long time and I absolutely trust her. I knew something was wrong with SuzieQ because she just wasn't acting like herself and she was a bit thinner and then Dr. M found a big mass in her abdomen, did surgery and took a biopsy, it came back cancer :( I try to give her lots of attention but unfortunately Frank goes out of town so much and I work full-time so when I get home I have to clean up and take care of everyone else and then I try to spend extra time alone with her :( From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:40:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again Give SusieQ lots of pain meds and ice cream. Oh wait, that's my prescription. I guess all you can do is keep her happy and feeling good as long as possible. You just address each problem as it comes up. Anything specific going on right now? I know when the liver starts going it makes them nauseated. There's some meds that can help with that if she's feeling good otherwise. Do you really trust this vet? You could always get a second opinion if there's any doubt in your mind that he might have misdiagnosed her. Hard to tell you what to do without knowing if there is something specific bothering her right now. Heard accupuncture helps with pain and different things but it depends on whether she's having pain right now. If there really is nothing left to do just give her anything she wants even if you normally wouldn't give it to them. When my dog had cancer we went to Burger King and Dairy Queen a lot. I cooked anything I could think of that he might really like. We had salmon fillets, talapia, etc. Anything he wanted or anything I thought he might want he got. But most especially I held him and loved on him. Same with the cats. They got lots of extra attention. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
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You can try gerber stage2 baby food...the meat kind (ham, beef, turkey, etc). Not all thw nutrition a cat needs but it gets them something. Christiane Biagi Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: Thanks for the info and advice, I just called the vet to ask about anti-nausea meds From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 16:30:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again Yeah, at the end even my dog didn't want to eat. And oh boy don't I know how picky cats are compared to dogs!!! Maybe she'd like sardines. My cats like canned chicken too. Of course chicken flavored baby food is always a hit. You've got to keep her eating something. If she's still happy with Fancy Feast that's great. Also, sometimes with cancer even if they're eating good they'll loose weight. Forgot what it's called but the cancer keeps the body from absorbing the nutrients or it destroys the nutrients or something like that so basically a person with cancer can become malnourished even though they're eating good. They have a couple things for nausea and she's definitely not going to eat if she's nauseous. One drug is Cerenia and that's what my vet gave me but another good one is something called Ondansetron (generic name). I heard about that through the feline kidney disease group. Most of the members like the Ondansetron much better than Cerenia. My vet didn't have it and he thought Cerenia was better but I told him I wanted a prescription for the other because the folks on the list recommended it. You can order the Ondansetron from Thriving Pets website. You just fax them your prescription. Local pharmacies might have it too. I think that's where I ended up getting it. My cat had renal lymphoma, not regular old kidney failure which would have been better, and she went downhill so fast I never got a chance to see if the Ondansetron was better than Cerenia. Any little bit of extra time you can give her is great, even though you might not think it's enough. Plus if she's feeling bad she probably only wants a certain amount of interaction so I'm sure the extra time you give her is enough to keep her happy. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:46:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again She does get nauseous a lot and we have her on some strong pain meds. She is losing so much weight but I give her Fancy Feast and love on her. Unlike dogs, cats are such picky eaters to begin with :( I wish she would eat burgers and fries. The vet who diagnosed her has been our vet for a long time and I absolutely trust her. I knew something was wrong with SuzieQ because she just wasn't acting like herself and she was a bit thinner and then Dr. M found a big mass in her abdomen, did surgery and took a biopsy, it came back cancer :( I try to give her lots of attention but unfortunately Frank goes out of town so much and I work full-time so when I get home I have to clean up and take care of everyone else and then I try to spend extra time alone with her :( From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:40:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again Give SusieQ lots of pain meds and ice cream. Oh wait, that's my prescription. I guess all you can do is keep her happy and feeling good as long as possible. You just address each problem as it comes up. Anything specific going on right now? I know when the liver starts going it makes them nauseated. There's some meds that can help with that if she's feeling good otherwise. Do you really trust this vet? You could always get a second opinion if there's any doubt in your mind that he might have misdiagnosed her. Hard to tell you what to do without knowing if there is something specific bothering her right now. Heard accupuncture helps with pain and different things but it depends on whether she's having pain right now. If there really is nothing left to do just give her anything she wants even if you normally wouldn't give it to them. When my dog had cancer we went to Burger King and Dairy Queen a lot. I cooked anything I could think of that he might really like. We had salmon fillets, talapia, etc. Anything he wanted or anything I thought he might want he got. But most especially I held him and loved on him. Same with the cats. They got lots of extra attention. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which
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I have been trying that, she eats just a smidge and then turns away :( Thank you :) Poor thing is just wasting away and I feel so helpless :( Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 17:58:20 -0400 From: ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again You can try gerber stage2 baby food...the meat kind (ham, beef, turkey, etc). Not all thw nutrition a cat needs but it gets them something. Christiane Biagi Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: Thanks for the info and advice, I just called the vet to ask about anti-nausea meds From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 16:30:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again Yeah, at the end even my dog didn't want to eat. And oh boy don't I know how picky cats are compared to dogs!!! Maybe she'd like sardines. My cats like canned chicken too. Of course chicken flavored baby food is always a hit. You've got to keep her eating something. If she's still happy with Fancy Feast that's great. Also, sometimes with cancer even if they're eating good they'll loose weight. Forgot what it's called but the cancer keeps the body from absorbing the nutrients or it destroys the nutrients or something like that so basically a person with cancer can become malnourished even though they're eating good. They have a couple things for nausea and she's definitely not going to eat if she's nauseous. One drug is Cerenia and that's what my vet gave me but another good one is something called Ondansetron (generic name). I heard about that through the feline kidney disease group. Most of the members like the Ondansetron much better than Cerenia. My vet didn't have it and he thought Cerenia was better but I told him I wanted a prescription for the other because the folks on the list recommended it. You can order the Ondansetron from Thriving Pets website. You just fax them your prescription. Local pharmacies might have it too. I think that's where I ended up getting it. My cat had renal lymphoma, not regular old kidney failure which would have been better, and she went downhill so fast I never got a chance to see if the Ondansetron was better than Cerenia. Any little bit of extra time you can give her is great, even though you might not think it's enough. Plus if she's feeling bad she probably only wants a certain amount of interaction so I'm sure the extra time you give her is enough to keep her happy. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:46:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again She does get nauseous a lot and we have her on some strong pain meds. She is losing so much weight but I give her Fancy Feast and love on her. Unlike dogs, cats are such picky eaters to begin with :( I wish she would eat burgers and fries. The vet who diagnosed her has been our vet for a long time and I absolutely trust her. I knew something was wrong with SuzieQ because she just wasn't acting like herself and she was a bit thinner and then Dr. M found a big mass in her abdomen, did surgery and took a biopsy, it came back cancer :( I try to give her lots of attention but unfortunately Frank goes out of town so much and I work full-time so when I get home I have to clean up and take care of everyone else and then I try to spend extra time alone with her :( From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:40:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again Give SusieQ lots of pain meds and ice cream. Oh wait, that's my prescription. I guess all you can do is keep her happy and feeling good as long as possible. You just address each problem as it comes up. Anything specific going on right now? I know when the liver starts going it makes them nauseated. There's some meds that can help with that if she's feeling good otherwise. Do you really trust this vet? You could always get a second opinion if there's any doubt in your mind that he might have misdiagnosed her. Hard to tell you what to do without knowing if there is something specific bothering her right now. Heard accupuncture helps with pain and different things but it depends on whether she's having pain right now. If there really is nothing left to do just give her anything she wants even if you normally wouldn't give it to them. When my dog had cancer we went to Burger King and Dairy Queen a lot. I cooked
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Oh, I didn't even think of that, I have used it for my other cats for that very thing and forgot all about it THANKS :) I did the same thing with Miller, put him through horrible chemo, made his last few weeks here miserable and within three weeks of the first chemo treatment, he was gone :( I vowed then that I would never do that again. That is why I was asking what others do to make their furbabies comfortable in the end. Miller was so miserable and I just made it worse and I will never forgive myself for that :( Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:17:28 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Asking For Advice Again Certain antihistamines that are given to cats are also an appetite stimulant. Chlorpheneramine is one. I think it's a little yellow pill if I remember correctly. It's better than giving cortisone which also increases appetite but I believe would be contraindicated for a cat who has a malignant tumor. You need to ask your vet about this. It has no harmful side effects as far as I can remember. I gave it to a cat who had terminal salivary gland cancer and it kept her eating right up until the end, that and anti- nausea drugs because she had had a chemo pill every week for several months to stop the growth of the tumor. I have since decided that that treatment, the chemo pill was a waste of $2000. Another cat who had a tumor in a different location lived just about as long as Baby Face, without getting chemo. Chemo is also very hard on other organs, causing diarrhea, fur loss and exhaustion. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Just make sure to get her nausea taken care of. You hate to stimulate her appetite but she still won't eat because she's nauseous. Then she's hungry and nauseated. You can also try Pepcid. Just regular not Pepcid AC. I think the anti-nausea meds are better but you can try that until you get them. Pepcid is good if they have a lot of stomach acid too. Cats in kidney failure tend to have that problem as well as nausea. This year I've had to watch a couple cats waste away and it is a horrible feeling. If you get the nausea taken care of you can assist feed her. But that's something you have to decide. Cats in kidney failure go through periods here and there where they don't want to eat. Sometimes they actually get out of the routine of eating. You can assist feed to get them over the hump. However, since Susie Q has cancer it is a different ball game. And if the cancer has already comprised her liver then it may not help her to assist feed. But first try the nausea meds and appetite stimulants and go from there. Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT - Reply message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Asking For Advice Again Date: Fri, Oct 5, 2012 6:26 pm Oh, I didn't even think of that, I have used it for my other cats for that very thing and forgot all about it THANKS :) I did the same thing with Miller, put him through horrible chemo, made his last few weeks here miserable and within three weeks of the first chemo treatment, he was gone :( I vowed then that I would never do that again. That is why I was asking what others do to make their furbabies comfortable in the end. Miller was so miserable and I just made it worse and I will never forgive myself for that :( Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:17:28 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Asking For Advice Again Certain antihistamines that are given to cats are also an appetite stimulant. Chlorpheneramine is one. I think it's a little yellow pill if I remember correctly. It's better than giving cortisone which also increases appetite but I believe would be contraindicated for a cat who has a malignant tumor. You need to ask your vet about this. It has no harmful side effects as far as I can remember. I gave it to a cat who had terminal salivary gland cancer and it kept her eating right up until the end, that and anti- nausea drugs because she had had a chemo pill every week for several months to stop the growth of the tumor. I have since decided that that treatment, the chemo pill was a waste of $2000. Another cat who had a tumor in a different location lived just about as long as Baby Face, without getting chemo. Chemo is also very hard on other organs, causing diarrhea, fur loss and exhaustion. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I use Cyproheptadine, which I used to take as Periactin liquid, samples from a doc friend, when I was a skinny teenager. I use 1/54 daily for our 18+ yr old CRF cat (he's huge!). From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:17 PM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Asking For Advice Again Certain antihistamines that are given to cats are also an appetite stimulant. Chlorpheneramine is one. I think it's a little yellow pill if I remember correctly. It's better than giving cortisone which also increases appetite but I believe would be contraindicated for a cat who has a malignant tumor. You need to ask your vet about this. It has no harmful side effects as far as I can remember. I gave it to a cat who had terminal salivary gland cancer and it kept her eating right up until the end, that and anti- nausea drugs because she had had a chemo pill every week for several months to stop the growth of the tumor. I have since decided that that treatment, the chemo pill was a waste of $2000. Another cat who had a tumor in a different location lived just about as long as Baby Face, without getting chemo. Chemo is also very hard on other organs, causing diarrhea, fur loss and exhaustion. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Another brain cell woke up and reminded me that there's also an antihistamine called Ciproheptadine. I'm thinking that this is the one they use as an appetite stimulant. I just Googled it and sure enough, this is the one. If you want more information on getting your cat to eat go to the following Website: Tanya's Comprehensive Guide to Feline Chronic Kidney Disease. The URL is: www.crf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm There are some other hints on getting an anorexic cat to chow down also. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again I have been trying that, she eats just a smidge and then turns away :( Thank you :) Poor thing is just wasting away and I feel so helpless :( Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 17:58:20 -0400 From: ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again You can try gerber stage2 baby food...the meat kind (ham, beef, turkey, etc). Not all thw nutrition a cat needs but it gets them something. Christiane Biagi Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: Thanks for the info and advice, I just called the vet to ask about anti-nausea meds From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 16:30:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again Yeah, at the end even my dog didn't want to eat. And oh boy don't I know how picky cats are compared to dogs!!! Maybe she'd like sardines. My cats like canned chicken too. Of course chicken flavored baby food is always a hit. You've got to keep her eating something. If she's still happy with Fancy Feast that's great. Also, sometimes with cancer even if they're eating good they'll loose weight. Forgot what it's called but the cancer keeps the body from absorbing the nutrients or it destroys the nutrients or something like that so basically a person with cancer can become malnourished even though they're eating good. They have a couple things for nausea and she's definitely not going to eat if she's nauseous. One drug is Cerenia and that's what my vet gave me but another good one is something called Ondansetron (generic name). I heard about that through the feline kidney disease group. Most of the members like the Ondansetron much better than Cerenia. My vet didn't have it and he thought Cerenia was better but I told him I wanted a prescription for the other because the folks on the list recommended it. You can order the Ondansetron from Thriving Pets website. You just fax them your prescription. Local pharmacies might have it too. I think that's where I ended up getting it. My cat had renal lymphoma, not regular old kidney failure which would have been better, and she went downhill so fast I never got a chance to see if the Ondansetron was better than Cerenia. Any little bit of extra time you can give her is great, even though you might not think it's enough. Plus if she's feeling bad she probably only wants a certain amount of interaction so I'm sure the extra time you give her is enough to keep her happy. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:46:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again She does get nauseous a lot and we have her on some strong pain meds. She is losing so much weight but I give her Fancy Feast and love on her. Unlike dogs, cats are such picky eaters to begin with :( I wish she would eat burgers and fries. The vet who diagnosed her has been our vet for a long time and I absolutely trust her. I knew something was wrong with SuzieQ because she just wasn't acting like herself and she was a bit thinner and then Dr. M found a big mass in her abdomen, did surgery and took a biopsy, it came back cancer :( I try to give her lots of attention but unfortunately Frank goes out of town so much and I work full-time so when I get home I have to clean up and take care of everyone else and then I try to spend extra time alone with her :( From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 15:40:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Asking for advice again Give SusieQ lots of pain meds and ice cream. Oh wait, that's my prescription. I guess all you can do is keep her happy and feeling good as long as possible. You
