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Thank you On my way there now. Kat On 7/11/11, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Go to groups.yahoo.com search for it. It is for individuals needing help with pets. No rescue groups. katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Beth and Natalie Thanks for the ideas. I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it? I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I guess I can learn. My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing. Her office is in an old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets behind it for paperwork. Surgery is done in a small room in the basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc. Sounds hookie but she does good work. And she cares. Asking the $ be sent directly to her is perfect! I may give it a shot. Kat On 7/10/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about anything! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group. Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments. katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse. She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live. I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside - has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options. Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her quality of whatever life she has Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help. kat On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look like he is pantingand he does look adorable. Sorry to give any other impression. On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote: The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I
Re: [Felvtalk] DMG
Beth and Natalie Thanks for the ideas. I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it? I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I guess I can learn. My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing. Her office is in an old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets behind it for paperwork. Surgery is done in a small room in the basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc. Sounds hookie but she does good work. And she cares. Asking the $ be sent directly to her is perfect! I may give it a shot. Kat On 7/10/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about anything! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group. Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments. katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse. She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live. I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside - has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options. Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her quality of whatever life she has Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help. kat On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look like he is pantingand he does look adorable. Sorry to give any other impression. On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote: The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat. One is a year out from
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No, just go to www.chipin.com - instructions right there on how to proceed point by point! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 1:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Beth and Natalie Thanks for the ideas. I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it? I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I guess I can learn. My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing. Her office is in an old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets behind it for paperwork. Surgery is done in a small room in the basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc. Sounds hookie but she does good work. And she cares. Asking the $ be sent directly to her is perfect! I may give it a shot. Kat On 7/10/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about anything! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group. Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments. katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse. She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live. I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside - has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options. Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her quality of whatever life she has Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help. kat On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look like he is pantingand he does look adorable. Sorry to give any other impression. On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote: The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Thanks Natalie. I meant the Yahoo group Beth mentioned, Animal Wish List. You have to have a PayPal account to use Chipin and I don't have one. And I wouldn't want to create and use one if I want the money to go directly to my vet right? She would have to have an account? Don't know if she does, if I can/should set one up for her (she is out of town), etc. I will work on it tho cause I can use the help for Luke. Kat On 7/11/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: No, just go to www.chipin.com - instructions right there on how to proceed point by point! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 1:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Beth and Natalie Thanks for the ideas. I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it? I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I guess I can learn. My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing. Her office is in an old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets behind it for paperwork. Surgery is done in a small room in the basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc. Sounds hookie but she does good work. And she cares. Asking the $ be sent directly to her is perfect! I may give it a shot. Kat On 7/10/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about anything! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group. Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments. katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse. She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live. I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside - has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options. Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her quality of whatever life she has Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help. kat On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look like he is pantingand he does look adorable. Sorry to give any other impression. On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote: The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans
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Go to groups.yahoo.com search for it. It is for individuals needing help with pets. No rescue groups. katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Beth and Natalie Thanks for the ideas. I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it? I didn't want to beg, if feels weird but if these kids need it I guess I can learn. My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing. Her office is in an old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets behind it for paperwork. Surgery is done in a small room in the basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc. Sounds hookie but she does good work. And she cares. Asking the $ be sent directly to her is perfect! I may give it a shot. Kat On 7/10/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about anything! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group. Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments. katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse. She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live. I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside - has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options. Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her quality of whatever life she has Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help. kat On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look like he is pantingand he does look adorable. Sorry to give any other impression. On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote: The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought
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FYI: Pretty Boy came to the house as a throw-away/stray/feral and hung around until we were able to live trap him for neutering (the price of free food, shelter). He avoided being trapped for almost a year. I had his teeth pulled and left him at the vet's for a long time to recover then cooped him up in a recovery room in a garage for a long time. Wanted the meds to get out of his system, the gums to heal and harden and for him to cool off. Needless to say he was one pissed off cat but he obviously felt better. Petty Boy was returned to his friends that numbered 8-9 at that time so there were arguments, hunting, etc. He has done fine and caught, repeatedly, a ground squirrel a few days ago. He and the rest are served dry food daily and, depending on the weather, cat food soup--canned cat food mixed with water. He eats both and, like the rest, looks in a window and stares when he wants seconds. I don't leave a lot of food out any more because of packs of dogs running around. Besides, the heat and humidity doesn't help either type of food. He is doing fine and has been for at least 3 years now. The vet thought he was about 10-11 when he had his teeth pulled. God knows how long he had been in pain. On Jul 9, 2011, at 10:04 PM, katskat1 wrote: Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse. She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live. I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside - has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options. Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her quality of whatever life she has Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help. kat On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look like he is pantingand he does look adorable. Sorry to give any other impression. On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote: The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick kitty soon becoming a 'brand
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Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group. Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments. katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse. She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live. I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside - has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options. Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her quality of whatever life she has Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help. kat On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look like he is pantingand he does look adorable. Sorry to give any other impression. On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote: The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat. One is a year out from the extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well! Both of those guys were negative. My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully, too, and his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost clinic for a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics probably can't do that, though. All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I couldn't believe it. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Your cats had stomatitis? And it helped having all teeth removed? The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours is FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky! It FIV+does sound rather drastic, doesn't it? We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more than canned food at times. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
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Use www.chipin.com - very easy and people do contribute to just about anything! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Try putting a plea for vet help on Animal Wish List. It's a Yahoo Group. Have funds go directly to the vet. Most vets will work with u on payments. katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse. She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live. I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside - has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options. Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her quality of whatever life she has Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help. kat On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look like he is pantingand he does look adorable. Sorry to give any other impression. On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote: The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat. One is a year out from the extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well! Both of those guys were negative. My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully, too, and his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost clinic for a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics probably can't do that, though. All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I couldn't believe it. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Your cats had stomatitis? And it helped having all teeth removed? The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours is FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky! It FIV+does sound rather drastic
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Thanks to all I have decided if I can find the $ I am going to take Luke to the vet and have some/all of her rotten teeth removed. She is obviously in discomfort and her breath has gotten progressively worse. She is ratty looking and apparently has been sickly for a long time before I started feeding her as a stray but she still wants to live. I was very apprehensive about doing this to a cat that stays outside - has to - won't come in, fights to get back out and my inside cats are ALL negatives. But she sticks around and I don't have many options. Now, if only I could successfully medicate her. She will not eat anything, kitten milk replacement, dry/wet food, treats, NOTHING with any med of any kind. Trying to syringe her is like fighting a wind storm with lots of claws and then we are both so stressed we are breathing hard. Not good for her. Or me. So I am trying to give her quality of whatever life she has Hopefully yanking rotten, loose teeth will help. kat On 7/8/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look like he is pantingand he does look adorable. Sorry to give any other impression. On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote: The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat. One is a year out from the extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well! Both of those guys were negative. My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully, too, and his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost clinic for a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics probably can't do that, though. All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I couldn't believe it. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Your cats had stomatitis? And it helped having all teeth removed? The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours is FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky! It FIV+does sound rather drastic, doesn't it? We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more than canned food at times. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention
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The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat. One is a year out from the extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well! Both of those guys were negative. My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully, too, and his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost clinic for a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics probably can't do that, though. All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I couldn't believe it. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Your cats had stomatitis? And it helped having all teeth removed? The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours is FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky! It FIV+does sound rather drastic, doesn't it? We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more than canned food at times. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3 we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since. They were not FELV cats, though. On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ cats? I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on cleaning out the areas extremely well. My vet says that he doesn't like doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG. I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different forms. It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications: http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCIN E ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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His tongue does not hang out the side of his mouth nor does he look like he is pantingand he does look adorable. Sorry to give any other impression. On Jul 8, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Natalie wrote: The hanging out tongue must be something other than missing teeth. We have quite a few cats with no teeth, and their tongues don't hang out the side of their mouths, if anything, the tips of the tongue might stick out in front - and looks adorable. We have some real oldtimers here - started out feral and are mushes now. Life with bad teeth must be absolutely horrible and painful I am always surprised how toothless cats just love dry food! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 6:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat. One is a year out from the extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well! Both of those guys were negative. My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully, too, and his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost clinic for a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics probably can't do that, though. All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I couldn't believe it. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Your cats had stomatitis? And it helped having all teeth removed? The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours is FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky! It FIV+does sound rather drastic, doesn't it? We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more than canned food at times. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3 we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since. They were not FELV cats, though. On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ cats? I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on cleaning out the areas extremely well. My vet says that he doesn't like doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG. I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different forms. It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications: http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N- DIMETHYLGLYCIN E ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
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Pretty Boy, a feral who hangs around and who is very loved, was live trapped for neutering. The vet called me after they put him under...he had shuttered in pain when they put a tube in his mouth. She checked his teeth and they were totally awful. Most of them were pulled. The only side effect is that his tongue hangs out a lot of the time...no teeth to help him keep it in...or maybe he is expressing his opinion. He eats both canned and dry food with the rest of the clan and is so handsome. He is probably 13-14 years old (per vet) and is a total doll. Like the rest of the clan, he is not touchable most of the time. He fusses and fumes and catches ground squirrels and others who are stupid enough to come into an area guarded by numerous cats. Removing his teeth has definitely improved the quality if not quantity of his life. As far as I know, none of the clan is FeLV+. On Jul 6, 2011, at 6:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote: Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat. One is a year out from the extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well! Both of those guys were negative. My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully, too, and his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost clinic for a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics probably can't do that, though. All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I couldn't believe it. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Your cats had stomatitis? And it helped having all teeth removed? The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours is FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky! It FIV+does sound rather drastic, doesn't it? We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more than canned food at times. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3 we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since. They were not FELV cats, though. On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ cats? I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on cleaning out the areas extremely well. My vet says that he doesn't like doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG. I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different forms. It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications: http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCIN E ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
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Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3 we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since. They were not FELV cats, though. On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ cats? I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on cleaning out the areas extremely well. My vet says that he doesn't like doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG. I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different forms. It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications: http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] DMG
Your cats had stomatitis? And it helped having all teeth removed? The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours is FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky! It does sound rather drastic, doesn't it? We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more than canned food at times. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3 we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since. They were not FELV cats, though. On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ cats? I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on cleaning out the areas extremely well. My vet says that he doesn't like doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG. I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different forms. It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications: http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat. One is a year out from the extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well! Both of those guys were negative. My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully, too, and his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost clinic for a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics probably can't do that, though. All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I couldn't believe it. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Your cats had stomatitis? And it helped having all teeth removed? The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours is FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky! It FIV+does sound rather drastic, doesn't it? We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more than canned food at times. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3 we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since. They were not FELV cats, though. On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ cats? I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on cleaning out the areas extremely well. My vet says that he doesn't like doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG. I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different forms. It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications: http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCIN E ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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What is puzzling about the connection between stomatitis/teeth/gums is that one could understand if they were in bad shape, but our FIV+ Sox has gorgeous white teeth and great pink gums. The consensus is that there may be things going on deep down at the roots, not visible in the mouth. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 7:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, in cats (and in humans) the constant infections and abscesses in a bad mouth of teeth have all sorts of dire consequences in the rest of the body's systems. I have never heard anyone who regretted having some or all of their babies' teeth pulled in the interests of clearing up stomatitis, etc. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Yes, we have had 3 cases (2 rescues of mine, one a friend's so I don't know his testing status, he could be FIV+ though, he was a big male brought in from the streets) of full mouth extractions that resulted in a very sick kitty soon becoming a 'brand new cat. One is a year out from the extraction, the other is 2 years out, both are doing so well! Both of those guys were negative. My friend's kitty is doing wonderfully, too, and his full mouth extraction was done by our humane society low-cost clinic for a fraction of what my guys were done for--most low cost clinics probably can't do that, though. All 3 of these guys now also eat dry food, by their own liking, I couldn't believe it. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Your cats had stomatitis? And it helped having all teeth removed? The problem with doing this to a cat with immunodeficiencies is (ours is FIV+, which is better than FeLV+) obviously slightly more risky! It FIV+does sound rather drastic, doesn't it? We have several old cats without teeth, and they look like they're chomping a way at dry food...they just swallow it and love it more than canned food at times. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG Hope the DMG proves to be helpful, but just thought I'd mention the 3 we've had who had full mouth extractions were like new cats afterwards, and have done wonderfully ever since. They were not FELV cats, though. On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ cats? I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on cleaning out the areas extremely well. My vet says that he doesn't like doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG. I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different forms. It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications: http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCIN E ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] DMG
My mother has been recommending this ages ago(she died in 2001) - and I know that I've used it because she gave it to me, forget for what. But when you see the list of things that it can help, it's very impressive: FIV/FeLV, feline acne (chin), rodent ulcers (on their lips), melanomas, skin allergies, geriatrics with immunological disorders, epileptic seizures, and almost all respiratory conditions, and much, much more. You're right, it can't hurt, especially with an impressive partial list as above! FIV Sox is getting .50 mL once a day. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ben Williams Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 11:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG I've been giving Dexter .25 mL of DMG twice daily, along with his vitamin. It certainly can't hurt! On Jul 5, 2011, at 8:59 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Has any vet ever suggested using DMG (N, N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE)for FeLV+ cats? I AM USING IT ON A FIV+ CAT THAT HAS PAINFUL STOMATITIS IN THE MOUTH, TO THE POINT WHERE HE COULDN'T EAT; FIV/FeLV+ cats often get that condition, and unfortunately, the only suggested and supposedly appropriate thing is to have their teeth pulled by a specialist, with special emphasis on cleaning out the areas extremely well. My vet says that he doesn't like doing it because often it doesn't help at all, so we are trying DMG. I am using the liquid form, but it apparently also comes in different forms. It has many clinical uses and a variety of applications: http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=N%2C+N-DIMETHYLGLYCINE ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
