Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
i think that both the aafp and winn feline foundation's papers/guidelines are listed under Management of Retroviruses--if you search the archives, you should find the exact links as i tend to send them often, but i've just moved, and can't even find stuff packed on the computer, no less in boxes. (and the aafp has this nasty little habit of changing link addresses--but their whole site is useful, so i never mind just wandering through all the categories.) to my mind, tho, the fact that the merck uses the same figures that have been long known in our underground is the most important development in years--it's MUCH harder for the 'professionals' to scoff at that. of course, first we have to get them to READ the current merck MC On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: Thanks for this, MC, I need references sometimes. This is great. Gloria On Apr 7, 2009, at 7:56 PM, MaryChristine wrote: avia, please tell your vet to look up FeLV in the merck manual The Merck Veterinary Manual -Feline Leukemia Virus and Related Diseases: Introduction http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/57000.htmword=feline%2cleukemia , where it states that 70% of exposed healthy adult cats will NOT stay infected even if they do get the virus for awhile--that their immune systems will process the virus out of their systems. you might also want to ask the vet to show you one case of a vaccinated negative cat getting the virus from a positive--many FeLV parents have been looking for that documentation for at least seven years that i know of, and, surprise!--we haven't found it. (we've found cases where cats who were only tested once, not taking the exposure period into consideration, who did test positive after originally testing negative, but NO cases of doubly-tested negative cats who were vaccinated turning positive.) two other good sites for CURRENT information on VETERINARY guidelines for dealing with cats with FeLV (which will give owners accurate info, as well) can be found at the american assn of feline practitioners' site ( www.catvets.com), and at the winn feline foundation's site ( www.winnfelinehealth.org.) sadly, as you are learning, vets are NOT the best source for information on the three Fs: FeLV, FIV and FIP. everyone, go put your vet's name and contact info into belinda's database! www.adopt.bemikitties.com MC , On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:36 PM, James Rauscher jamesna...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you everyone for your advice. Lisa, you are the best! I have ordered the Vetri-DMG for Onyx, and I am going to ask the more positive vet (when he gets back from vacation) to give me the interferon as well. I am going to talk to him about trying to make some sort of arrangement about bringing Onyx in when I need to without having to wait weeks for an appointment. I may not be able to, but it doesn't hurt to ask, right? Does anyone here know of a vet in NYC that has a positive approach to managing FelV? Thanks again, Avia Onyx ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue ( www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
Thank you for the info, MC! Onyx's IFA test came up positive - do you know if cats who are positive on that test ever revert to negative? Also, some vets say that vaccinated cats always show up positive on later tests (because of the vax), but two of them said that vaccinated cats do not show up positive on the IFA test unless they actually have the virus. Can anyone clarify that for me? Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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yes, it is possible for a cat who tests positive on the IFA to test negative later on, but it is MUCH less likely. depends on two things, as far as i can tell, on two things: initially, the same thing that holds for retesting with the ELISSA: it can take up to 120 days for the antigens to the virus to work their way out of the cat's system and after a positive test, to be negative on a second ELISSA test (or on an IFA--they test for the same thing, just in a different form), so if you perform an IFA too soon after an ELISSA, it's just gonna be reacting to the same antigens. that's why we emphasize the need to WAIT for the exposure period to pass--i don't trust a second test until after 120 days, unless i know for sure when the last possible exposure was. in some cases, and this is the research citation i can't find, tho it used to be in an older version of the merck, is that one cat didn't test negative on an IFA until seven or eight months after his first test! we just don't know enough generally, however, if a kitty tests positive on the IFA AFTER the 120-day period, in the vast majority of cases, it will remain positive. just today i started looking for more information that was mentioned in november about the newest research showing that some cats can remain positive without ever progressing to symptoms, AND not remaining contagious. as i say all the time, we just do NOT know enough, because for too many years, the main mode of treatment was euthanasia, which makes it very difficult to do research. you have to have a living population to learn anything, after all. (and yes, it takes up to 120 days for the antigens to show up on the ELISSA/IFA, as well, so a NEGATIVE test doesn't mean a thing either, but look at how few cats who test negative ever end up positive. some do, sadly, but the vast majority never do. ) MC On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:28 PM, James Rauscher jamesna...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you for the info, MC! Onyx's IFA test came up positive - do you know if cats who are positive on that test ever revert to negative? Also, some vets say that vaccinated cats always show up positive on later tests (because of the vax), but two of them said that vaccinated cats do not show up positive on the IFA test unless they actually have the virus. Can anyone clarify that for me? Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
I know there are some who say they have cats that were IFA positive and are now negative, I would say it is a rare thing. The FeLV vaccine has no effect on the ELISA or the IFA test. It is the FIV vaccine that will make a cat test positive for FIV. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James Rauscher Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? Thank you for the info, MC! Onyx's IFA test came up positive - do you know if cats who are positive on that test ever revert to negative? Also, some vets say that vaccinated cats always show up positive on later tests (because of the vax), but two of them said that vaccinated cats do not show up positive on the IFA test unless they actually have the virus. Can anyone clarify that for me? Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
gary, it truly has to do with nothing more than the issue of exposure time and time needed for the virus to be neutralized by the body: both the ELISSA and IFA test for antigens, NOT antibodies. test with ifa at same time as ELISSA, and you'll get the same result. test two weeks later, and you'll still probably get a positive result, because you haven't given kitty's system time to have processed the virus out. a positive IFA after 4 months however, is a totally different story--probably high, high 90s chance of being a true positive in that case. but there's a big difference between a retest at two weeks and four months, and that's what we have to emphasize. some research says that you can reliably retest after 30 days, but most says 90 to 120 days. many sanctuaries, and individual FeLV parents, who didn't know that retesting was necessary, have found that their positive cats actually aren't, often upon routine testing years later while trying to rule out something else. you can't trust a single ELISSA, and an IFA run too early is just as inaccurate in that it'll produce the same result. i don't know/understand the science enough to explain why there isn't a test that uses antibodies to confirm or refute positivity with FeLV--in europe, the western blot, which does test for antibodies, is used for FeLV as well as for FIV. anyone know why we don't use that here??? i'm sure there are some specific drawbacks, but if we could test for antibodies to FeLV, we could at least get a definite yes or no MC On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 7:28 PM, gary gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: I know there are some who say they have cats that were IFA positive and are now negative, I would say it is a rare thing. The FeLV vaccine has no effect on the ELISA or the IFA test. It is the FIV vaccine that will make a cat test positive for FIV. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James Rauscher Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? Thank you for the info, MC! Onyx's IFA test came up positive - do you know if cats who are positive on that test ever revert to negative? Also, some vets say that vaccinated cats always show up positive on later tests (because of the vax), but two of them said that vaccinated cats do not show up positive on the IFA test unless they actually have the virus. Can anyone clarify that for me? Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
avia, please tell your vet to look up FeLV in the merck manual The Merck Veterinary Manual -Feline Leukemia Virus and Related Diseases: Introductionhttp://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/57000.htmword=feline%2cleukemia, where it states that 70% of exposed healthy adult cats will NOT stay infected even if they do get the virus for awhile--that their immune systems will process the virus out of their systems. you might also want to ask the vet to show you one case of a vaccinated negative cat getting the virus from a positive--many FeLV parents have been looking for that documentation for at least seven years that i know of, and, surprise!--we haven't found it. (we've found cases where cats who were only tested once, not taking the exposure period into consideration, who did test positive after originally testing negative, but NO cases of doubly-tested negative cats who were vaccinated turning positive.) two other good sites for CURRENT information on VETERINARY guidelines for dealing with cats with FeLV (which will give owners accurate info, as well) can be found at the american assn of feline practitioners' site ( www.catvets.com), and at the winn feline foundation's site ( www.winnfelinehealth.org.) sadly, as you are learning, vets are NOT the best source for information on the three Fs: FeLV, FIV and FIP. everyone, go put your vet's name and contact info into belinda's database! www.adopt.bemikitties.com MC , On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:36 PM, James Rauscher jamesna...@yahoo.comwrote: Thank you everyone for your advice. Lisa, you are the best! I have ordered the Vetri-DMG for Onyx, and I am going to ask the more positive vet (when he gets back from vacation) to give me the interferon as well. I am going to talk to him about trying to make some sort of arrangement about bringing Onyx in when I need to without having to wait weeks for an appointment. I may not be able to, but it doesn't hurt to ask, right? Does anyone here know of a vet in NYC that has a positive approach to managing FelV? Thanks again, Avia Onyx ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
Thanks for this, MC, I need references sometimes. This is great. Gloria On Apr 7, 2009, at 7:56 PM, MaryChristine wrote: avia, please tell your vet to look up FeLV in the merck manual The Merck Veterinary Manual -Feline Leukemia Virus and Related Diseases: Introductionhttp://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/57000.htmword=feline%2cleukemia , where it states that 70% of exposed healthy adult cats will NOT stay infected even if they do get the virus for awhile--that their immune systems will process the virus out of their systems. you might also want to ask the vet to show you one case of a vaccinated negative cat getting the virus from a positive--many FeLV parents have been looking for that documentation for at least seven years that i know of, and, surprise!--we haven't found it. (we've found cases where cats who were only tested once, not taking the exposure period into consideration, who did test positive after originally testing negative, but NO cases of doubly-tested negative cats who were vaccinated turning positive.) two other good sites for CURRENT information on VETERINARY guidelines for dealing with cats with FeLV (which will give owners accurate info, as well) can be found at the american assn of feline practitioners' site ( www.catvets.com), and at the winn feline foundation's site ( www.winnfelinehealth.org.) sadly, as you are learning, vets are NOT the best source for information on the three Fs: FeLV, FIV and FIP. everyone, go put your vet's name and contact info into belinda's database! www.adopt.bemikitties.com MC , On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:36 PM, James Rauscher jamesna...@yahoo.comwrote: Thank you everyone for your advice. Lisa, you are the best! I have ordered the Vetri-DMG for Onyx, and I am going to ask the more positive vet (when he gets back from vacation) to give me the interferon as well. I am going to talk to him about trying to make some sort of arrangement about bringing Onyx in when I need to without having to wait weeks for an appointment. I may not be able to, but it doesn't hurt to ask, right? Does anyone here know of a vet in NYC that has a positive approach to managing FelV? Thanks again, Avia Onyx ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
They might have, but Immunoregulin isn't very expensive. The brief search I did on Immonglobulins talked about it being made from 1000 different donors, etc., very expensive. It is a therapy use that has been tried on many different things for humans and I guess some animals. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? They may have meant immunoregulin...rather than immunoglobulins? Gloria On Apr 4, 2009, at 10:44 PM, gary wrote: The vet that said interferon might or might not help, is correct. I seriously doubt that your vaccinated cats would inevitably become positive. It is true that the vaccine is not 100% effective, but the vaccine combined with the natural immunity that many adult cats have should keep them fairly safe. There are, of course, no guarantees. I haven't used DMG, but have heard many others speak highly of it. I am presently using Moducare. I don't think any of us has any scientific proof as to the efficacy of any of these, there just hasn't been enough study, so we do what we feel will help. As for immunoglobulins, I don't think I have seen anyone mention that here or on the other FeLV lists, unless, it was called something else. I don't think I would consider re-homing my negatives, you might be waiting a long time for the positive to be gone, some here have very old positives. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James Rauscher Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her interferon, that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her. Two other vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until she gets sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended re-homing my negative cats until the positive one dies because they will inevitably become positive as well, even though they are vaccinated. Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same route as me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the negatives) but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG which is supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system booster. Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who told me to re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and only help to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different opinion from every vet I talk to! Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
What do you know about it in relation to FELV? Gloria On Apr 5, 2009, at 10:51 AM, gary wrote: They might have, but Immunoregulin isn't very expensive. The brief search I did on Immonglobulins talked about it being made from 1000 different donors, etc., very expensive. It is a therapy use that has been tried on many different things for humans and I guess some animals. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? They may have meant immunoregulin...rather than immunoglobulins? Gloria On Apr 4, 2009, at 10:44 PM, gary wrote: The vet that said interferon might or might not help, is correct. I seriously doubt that your vaccinated cats would inevitably become positive. It is true that the vaccine is not 100% effective, but the vaccine combined with the natural immunity that many adult cats have should keep them fairly safe. There are, of course, no guarantees. I haven't used DMG, but have heard many others speak highly of it. I am presently using Moducare. I don't think any of us has any scientific proof as to the efficacy of any of these, there just hasn't been enough study, so we do what we feel will help. As for immunoglobulins, I don't think I have seen anyone mention that here or on the other FeLV lists, unless, it was called something else. I don't think I would consider re-homing my negatives, you might be waiting a long time for the positive to be gone, some here have very old positives. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James Rauscher Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her interferon, that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her. Two other vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until she gets sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended re-homing my negative cats until the positive one dies because they will inevitably become positive as well, even though they are vaccinated. Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same route as me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the negatives) but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG which is supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system booster. Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who told me to re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and only help to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different opinion from every vet I talk to! Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
Not much of anything but while doing a little searching I found a couple of interesting links. All the research is pretty old (1980s) and I have heard that once the vaccine was developed they stopped doing other research. http://www.felineleukemia.info/staphproteinacowan1.htm and http://books.google.com/books?id=GVtdtOsIsAUCpg=PA362lpg=PA362dq=immunogl obulins+for+FeLV+treatmentsource=blots=7Xp6iTaKOcsig=XkTBY31e2zYN3r2Jnmrq MMOBwRA#PPA367,M1 The one above has some interesting reading on pages 360 to 363. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 12:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? What do you know about it in relation to FELV? Gloria On Apr 5, 2009, at 10:51 AM, gary wrote: They might have, but Immunoregulin isn't very expensive. The brief search I did on Immonglobulins talked about it being made from 1000 different donors, etc., very expensive. It is a therapy use that has been tried on many different things for humans and I guess some animals. Gary ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank you everyone for your advice. Lisa, you are the best! I have ordered the Vetri-DMG for Onyx, and I am going to ask the more positive vet (when he gets back from vacation) to give me the interferon as well. I am going to talk to him about trying to make some sort of arrangement about bringing Onyx in when I need to without having to wait weeks for an appointment. I may not be able to, but it doesn't hurt to ask, right? Does anyone here know of a vet in NYC that has a positive approach to managing FelV? Thanks again, Avia Onyx ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Avia! I am the other person you talked to. :) The Vetri-DMG was given to Tommy by his holistic vet, along with the homeopathic antiviral. Will it get rid of the FeLV? I have no idea. All I can say is that I've talked to others who had cats test positive initially, and then negative after treating them holistically. I can also say that Tommy is perfectly healthy. However, I do not know at this point if he is positive or negative. He won't die from FeLV itself, but rather from secondary illnesses. My goal is to keep him and my other cats as healthy as possible. Hope that helps. :) Lisa On Sat 04/04/09 8:28 PM , James Rauscher jamesna...@yahoo.com sent: One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her interferon, that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her. Two other vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until she gets sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended re-homing my negative cats until the positive one dies because they will inevitably become positive as well, even though they are vaccinated. Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same route as me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the negatives) but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG which is supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system booster. Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who told me to re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and only help to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different opinion from every vet I talk to! Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [1] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org [2] Links: -- [1] mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [2] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
My FeLV cat was put on Interferon, injected daily, but he had too many complications and the injections were started too late to make a difference but the vet did take what I had left to use on a healthy positive cat they had in their care. It's an immune booster and I think could be beneficial in keeping a positive cat healthy. My nephew who is undergoing chemo/radiation therapy for Hodgkin's lymphoma has to give himself injections daily, so if it's used for cancer patients, I see no reason not to give it to FeLV cats. I don't know what to say about rehoming your negatives but those vets seem quite negative. I don't see how an immunized cat can become positive and unless your cats are fighting and biting, I wouldn't be too worried. Lynne - Original Message - From: James Rauscher jamesna...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her interferon, that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her. Two other vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until she gets sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended re-homing my negative cats until the positive one dies because they will inevitably become positive as well, even though they are vaccinated. Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same route as me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the negatives) but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG which is supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system booster. Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who told me to re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and only help to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different opinion from every vet I talk to! Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3988 (20090404) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
Oh my, get new vets. Dixie was on interferon and lots of supplements (mostly from a holistic vet). Her quality of life for three years was marvelous. I wish mine was as high. She ate very high quality food + chopped veggies high in C iron etc. Please remember that everyone dies and everyone dies from something. We are not guaranteed a second more of life and must enjoy the time we have. You are blessed with Onyx and other cats. Enjoy their days and yours. Put the calendar in the trash. On Apr 4, 2009, at 7:28 PM, James Rauscher wrote: One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her interferon, that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her. Two other vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until she gets sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended re-homing my negative cats until the positive one dies because they will inevitably become positive as well, even though they are vaccinated. Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same route as me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the negatives) but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG which is supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system booster. Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who told me to re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and only help to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different opinion from every vet I talk to! Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
The vet that said interferon might or might not help, is correct. I seriously doubt that your vaccinated cats would inevitably become positive. It is true that the vaccine is not 100% effective, but the vaccine combined with the natural immunity that many adult cats have should keep them fairly safe. There are, of course, no guarantees. I haven't used DMG, but have heard many others speak highly of it. I am presently using Moducare. I don't think any of us has any scientific proof as to the efficacy of any of these, there just hasn't been enough study, so we do what we feel will help. As for immunoglobulins, I don't think I have seen anyone mention that here or on the other FeLV lists, unless, it was called something else. I don't think I would consider re-homing my negatives, you might be waiting a long time for the positive to be gone, some here have very old positives. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James Rauscher Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her interferon, that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her. Two other vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until she gets sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended re-homing my negative cats until the positive one dies because they will inevitably become positive as well, even though they are vaccinated. Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same route as me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the negatives) but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG which is supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system booster. Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who told me to re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and only help to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different opinion from every vet I talk to! Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
Also nice to know, about the Vetri-DMG. I'll have to try that. I use interferon alpha. Have used it daily, some suggest using it 3 days on and 3 off; also 7 days on and 7 off is another protocol. I believe that most healthy adult cats, vaccinated or not, have immune systems that will successfully repel the FELV virus. Gloria On Apr 4, 2009, at 7:28 PM, James Rauscher wrote: One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her interferon, that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her. Two other vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until she gets sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended re-homing my negative cats until the positive one dies because they will inevitably become positive as well, even though they are vaccinated. Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same route as me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the negatives) but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG which is supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system booster. Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who told me to re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and only help to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different opinion from every vet I talk to! Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help?
They may have meant immunoregulin...rather than immunoglobulins? Gloria On Apr 4, 2009, at 10:44 PM, gary wrote: The vet that said interferon might or might not help, is correct. I seriously doubt that your vaccinated cats would inevitably become positive. It is true that the vaccine is not 100% effective, but the vaccine combined with the natural immunity that many adult cats have should keep them fairly safe. There are, of course, no guarantees. I haven't used DMG, but have heard many others speak highly of it. I am presently using Moducare. I don't think any of us has any scientific proof as to the efficacy of any of these, there just hasn't been enough study, so we do what we feel will help. As for immunoglobulins, I don't think I have seen anyone mention that here or on the other FeLV lists, unless, it was called something else. I don't think I would consider re-homing my negatives, you might be waiting a long time for the positive to be gone, some here have very old positives. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James Rauscher Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and Vetri-DMG - do these things help? One of the vets who saw my FeLV+ catOnyx said I could give her interferon, that it may or may not help her, but certainly would not hurt her. Two other vets told me there was nothing to do for her except to wait until she gets sick then put her to sleep. One of them recommended re-homing my negative cats until the positive one dies because they will inevitably become positive as well, even though they are vaccinated. Another owner of mixed positives and negatives is taking the same route as me in not separating the positives and negatives (vaccinating the negatives) but also gives her positive kitty something called Vetri-DMG which is supposedly produced by the body naturally and is an immune system booster. Does anyone here have experience with these products? The vet who told me to re-home my negatives said immunoglobulins are very expensive and only help to keep a suffering cat alive. I am very confused - I get a different opinion from every vet I talk to! Avia ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
