Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
You should come to Lincoln County, Mo. I have lost almost everything that critters will eat from tomatoes, cucumbers, strawberries, tabasco peppers, petunias. Only thing they don't eat are herbs and things with rough leaves. I live in the middle of the woods and with the long heat spell we have had, the deer, rabbits, groundhogs and possums have been hitting my plants looking for moisture. Because of that, I haven't gotten to angry with them and started putting out water in several places for them. Fortunately, I have friends at the senior center who have lots of vegies. Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: Wish they'd come in my yard and eat everything! I'm so tired of trimming shrubs and yard work. I used to like it but now I'm too busy with too many other things. My husband hates yard work worse than I do. I love to have a pretty yard but man it's a lot of work. If the deer came and tore it up then I'd have an excuse. Anyway, depending on the size of your property, I wonder if you planted a fruit tree or something they really liked at the far end of the property if they would stay with it and not come near your decorative plants. It might attract more deer though. I thought of it because at work we have some kind of big tree that puts out some kind of fruit (I don't even know what it is) and every year I see deer over there. I thought it was great and even put a salt lick over there. The thing is though that it's always two or three. I never see hoards and hoards of deer. Two or three come and eat and then they're gone. I work a lot of late evenings and I only see them here and there and only two or three at a time so they're not a major problem although there's plenty for them to eat and I would think more deer would come around. Wonder if they're territorial so they won't let other deer come eat their food. Well, just a thought. I know you don't want to attract deer but if they're coming no matter what and you're property is big enough just wondered if giving them something away from where you don't want them to be would help. As well as the wind chimes and other stuff. Probably would make it worse but I just wondered about it. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 09:55:22 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched! Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above them. Also suggest interplanting daffodils. On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote: OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am sorry for posting here. Natalie, Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I apologize. I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse they eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago the deer became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not get into that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. I chose repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. They are creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there was no nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a number on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry. James do not boot me off. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman
Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
That's what my vets said re ticks too. However, I refer you to the $1 K + spent on Red because of a tick that should have been dead at the end of a cold December in KY. And, worse, to the pain the cat must have been in before he was captured for neutering and panic he must have felt at the vets for weeks then in the garage for weeksBy the way, Red is doing fine. On Jun 2, 2011, at 9:01 PM, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: This is he first I have heard of it. Have been usng Revolution since it covers heartworm and fleas. I live on a bluff right oer the river and we do have a lot of moquitos. We also seem to have more cases of heartworm in or county. He said cats usully keep themselves free of ticks. I check them out anyway every time they go out. I don't use it during the winter as they usually do not go out then because of rain and snow. I don't liketo use chemicals on them any more than necessary. I have never had any infestations of fleas in the house. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper. I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
Re: My original post on Pet Armor. I found it in Wal-mart yesterday, but I didn't buy it because I wasn't sure about it. It claims to be exactly like Frontline, and the ingrediants listed were the same, but I didn't think it was cheaper than Frontline I can buy from Canada Vet Meds online. In Wal-mart Pet Armor was $28.99 for 3 pipettes. With 15 cats I need a better price. Original Post On 05-31, Lorrie wrote: Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper. I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched! Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above them. Also suggest interplanting daffodils. On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote: OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am sorry for posting here. Natalie, Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I apologize. I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse they eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago the deer became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not get into that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. I chose repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. They are creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there was no nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a number on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry. James do not boot me off. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I've read that one has to be extremely careful about using some essential oils on cats! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 12:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor FOR BUGS, especially buffalo gnats, use 1 teaspoon REAL vanilla in 1 quart water. Spray it on the back of the cat's head and under their chin. Works with mosquitos also. Everyone around here who has chickens use this every day on them. If they don't, they loose a lot of chickens. The gnats clog up the nostrils and also bite them under their heads and they die of bood loss. Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote: Amen to flea collars! I've used Revolution on my FeLV+ cat, Buddy, since he was 5 weeks old and never had an incident. I am totally with you on minimizing chemicals that I put on myself and my animals. (I made my own bug spray out of olive oil and eucalyptus oil. Not 100% effective, but better than nothing.) This isn't approved for cats but I've switched my dog, Abbott, over to these garlic tablets for fleas and ticks, http://www.springtimeinc.com/product/bug_off_garlic_chewables/dogs I only just started it at the beginning of the year, but I haven't seen any fleas or ticks on him yet! I had to take Abbott off of Revolution because he got whip worm, so now he's on Interceptor for anti-worms. I can't use Front Line on any of my animals because I have a close friend that has food poisoning-like reations when she comes in contact with animals that have it on them. She is a rare case and she loves my animals, so I am trying alternatives :-) And the Bug Off Garlic seems to be doing the trick! You can also use the Bug Off Garlic on yourself (I'm considering trying it), you just follow the weight chart. I also hear that garlic and brewer's yeast works very well. I wonder if it is safe to use on cats... If it is, you can mix the garlic and brewer's yeast power in with their food, this way you don't have to catch them to administer it... Ideas, ideas! On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Sorry - my cat sent this before it was done. Don't read the previous one, it doesn't make sense - I was inserting something. This is it: I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight, pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with poisons like flea stuff, ever. My vet really has a strong dislike of Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than Zodiak. But then, again, he doesn't use them indiscriminately, only when it's perfectly safe, cats are in good shape, and he observes them and asks clients to do so and report ANY change in the cat after the use of those products. The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even though she is treated with frontline. However, one can also bring a flea inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the making. -Original Message- From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:45 AM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight, pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with poisons like flea stuff, ever. My vet really has a strong dislike of Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than Zodiak. But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only when it's The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even though she is treated with frontline. However, one can also bring a flea inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the making. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Even if you have indoor-only cats, they can get fleas. A vet once told me, If a squirrel runs through your yard, you can have a flea infestation in the house. True, dat. My college roommate and I had three indoor cats, and one summer they all became so infested we had to bomb the house... Twice. (Interesting side-note: a flea can't live/reproduce off human blood) I have 12 cats and use Revolution on them. I don't put it on all of them at once- I stagger it and put it on two this week, two next week, etc. That seems to keep the fleas at bay. I'd also like to address
Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
Bunnies eat my azaleas :( - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched! Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above them. Also suggest interplanting daffodils. On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote: OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am sorry for posting here. Natalie, Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I apologize. I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse they eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago the deer became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not get into that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. I chose repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. They are creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there was no nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a number on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry. James do not boot me off. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
Bunnies are eating all my seedlings. I'm going to have to get a fence... or something. I would get outdoor cats if my neighbor didn't have two very aggressive rotties. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote: Bunnies eat my azaleas :( - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched! Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above them. Also suggest interplanting daffodils. On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote: OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am sorry for posting here. Natalie, Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I apologize. I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse they eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago the deer became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not get into that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. I chose repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. They are creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there was no nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a number on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry. James do not boot me off. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Wish they'd come in my yard and eat everything! I'm so tired of trimming shrubs and yard work. I used to like it but now I'm too busy with too many other things. My husband hates yard work worse than I do. I love to have a pretty yard but man it's a lot of work. If the deer came and tore it up then I'd have an excuse. Anyway, depending on the size of your property, I wonder if you planted a fruit tree or something they really liked at the far end of the property if they would stay with it and not come near your decorative plants. It might attract more deer though. I thought of it because at work we have some kind of big tree that puts out some kind of fruit (I don't even know what it is) and every year I see deer over there. I thought it was great and even put a salt lick over there. The thing is though that it's always two or three. I never see hoards and hoards of deer. Two or three come and eat and then they're gone. I work a lot of late evenings and I only see them here and there and only two or three at a time so they're not a major problem although there's plenty for them to eat and I would think more deer would come around. Wonder if they're territorial so they won't let other deer come eat their food. Well, just a thought. I know you don't want to attract deer but if they're coming no matter what and you're property is big enough just wondered if giving them something away from where you don't want them to be would help. As well as the wind chimes and other stuff. Probably would make it worse but I just wondered about it. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 09:55:22 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched! Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above them. Also suggest interplanting daffodils. On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote: OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am sorry for posting here. Natalie, Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I apologize. I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse they eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago the deer became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not get into that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. I chose repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. They are creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there was no nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a number on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry. James do not boot me off. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Send them to me - my azalea bushes are overgrown and need trimming anyway! I used to have bunnies everywhere but now there's a few stray cats hanging around so I guess that's why they're not coming around anymore. I miss them though. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 10:04:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Bunnies eat my azaleas :( - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched! Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above them. Also suggest interplanting daffodils. On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote: OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am sorry for posting here. Natalie, Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I apologize. I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse they eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago the deer became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not get into that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. I chose repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. They are creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there was no nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a number on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry. James do not boot me off. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Better research to find out what kind of fence to get. I used to find baby bunnies in my fenced in backyard all the time. I had like one inch spaces in between the boards and I guess they could slip through there plus I'd find places where they had dug under the fence or chewed a little of the bottom of the fence to make a bigger space to come in. This was years before I had cats out there. My two dogs would only go out to pee so the bunnies had this nice protected fenced in yard to come and go in and have their babies. I found several of the nests out there and saw some really tiny ones. So cute. But if the object is to keep them away better find the right kind of fence. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:11:36 -0400 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Bunnies are eating all my seedlings. I'm going to have to get a fence... or something. I would get outdoor cats if my neighbor didn't have two very aggressive rotties. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote: Bunnies eat my azaleas :( - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched! Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above them. Also suggest interplanting daffodils. On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote: OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am sorry for posting here. Natalie, Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I apologize. I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse they eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago the deer became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not get into that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. I chose repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. They are creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there was no nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a number on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry. James do not boot me off. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I buy mine on line from vetmeds4pets. An UK company that sells Frontline Combo which is exactly the same as Frontline Plus just the European version. Shipping is a flat $4.08. You can get a 12 pack for cats for $64.08. http://www.vetmeds4pets.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=17products_id=150osCsid=1d74d06c5731f73aa7a9a85ef391d33d I buy the large dog version, put it in a small jar any syringe out the amount I need for each cat. Same ingredients just a little less of one in the dog version vs the cat. Like you I have too many cats to use the stuff you can buy in the stores here. For those that use Revolution they have the Stronghold, the UK version. Sharyl From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 3, 2011 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Re: My original post on Pet Armor. I found it in Wal-mart yesterday, but I didn't buy it because I wasn't sure about it. It claims to be exactly like Frontline, and the ingrediants listed were the same, but I didn't think it was cheaper than Frontline I can buy from Canada Vet Meds online. In Wal-mart Pet Armor was $28.99 for 3 pipettes. With 15 cats I need a better price. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Speaking of fences ... I was supposed to send pictures of my cat fence to someone. Was it someone in this group? I don't think I ever sent them. I'm so out of it though so I can't even remember who wanted it and if I ever sent them. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:23:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Better research to find out what kind of fence to get. I used to find baby bunnies in my fenced in backyard all the time. I had like one inch spaces in between the boards and I guess they could slip through there plus I'd find places where they had dug under the fence or chewed a little of the bottom of the fence to make a bigger space to come in. This was years before I had cats out there. My two dogs would only go out to pee so the bunnies had this nice protected fenced in yard to come and go in and have their babies. I found several of the nests out there and saw some really tiny ones. So cute. But if the object is to keep them away better find the right kind of fence. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:11:36 -0400 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Bunnies are eating all my seedlings. I'm going to have to get a fence... or something. I would get outdoor cats if my neighbor didn't have two very aggressive rotties. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote: Bunnies eat my azaleas :( - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched! Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above them. Also suggest interplanting daffodils. On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote: OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am sorry for posting here. Natalie, Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I apologize. I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse they eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago the deer became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not get into that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. I chose repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. They are creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there was no nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a number on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry. James do not boot me off. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org
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I read that too but I don't know which oils it is that can cause problems. Since I hadn't planned on using it I didn't look it up. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 10:02:58 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I've read that one has to be extremely careful about using some essential oils on cats! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 12:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor FOR BUGS, especially buffalo gnats, use 1 teaspoon REAL vanilla in 1 quart water. Spray it on the back of the cat's head and under their chin. Works with mosquitos also. Everyone around here who has chickens use this every day on them. If they don't, they loose a lot of chickens. The gnats clog up the nostrils and also bite them under their heads and they die of bood loss. Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote: Amen to flea collars! I've used Revolution on my FeLV+ cat, Buddy, since he was 5 weeks old and never had an incident. I am totally with you on minimizing chemicals that I put on myself and my animals. (I made my own bug spray out of olive oil and eucalyptus oil. Not 100% effective, but better than nothing.) This isn't approved for cats but I've switched my dog, Abbott, over to these garlic tablets for fleas and ticks, http://www.springtimeinc.com/product/bug_off_garlic_chewables/dogs I only just started it at the beginning of the year, but I haven't seen any fleas or ticks on him yet! I had to take Abbott off of Revolution because he got whip worm, so now he's on Interceptor for anti-worms. I can't use Front Line on any of my animals because I have a close friend that has food poisoning-like reations when she comes in contact with animals that have it on them. She is a rare case and she loves my animals, so I am trying alternatives :-) And the Bug Off Garlic seems to be doing the trick! You can also use the Bug Off Garlic on yourself (I'm considering trying it), you just follow the weight chart. I also hear that garlic and brewer's yeast works very well. I wonder if it is safe to use on cats... If it is, you can mix the garlic and brewer's yeast power in with their food, this way you don't have to catch them to administer it... Ideas, ideas! On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Sorry - my cat sent this before it was done. Don't read the previous one, it doesn't make sense - I was inserting something. This is it: I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight, pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with poisons like flea stuff, ever. My vet really has a strong dislike of Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than Zodiak. But then, again, he doesn't use them indiscriminately, only when it's perfectly safe, cats are in good shape, and he observes them and asks clients to do so and report ANY change in the cat after the use of those products. The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even though she is treated with frontline. However, one can also bring a flea inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the making. -Original Message- From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:45 AM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight, pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with poisons like flea stuff, ever. My vet really has a strong dislike of Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than Zodiak. But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only when it's The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even though she is treated with frontline. However, one can also bring a flea inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the making. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:09
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Squirrels dig up bulbs. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 11:05 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Bunnies eat my azaleas :( - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched! Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above them. Also suggest interplanting daffodils. On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote: OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am sorry for posting here. Natalie, Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I apologize. I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse they eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago the deer became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not get into that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. I chose repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. They are creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there was no nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a number on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry. James do not boot me off. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Deer have a certain territory and don't leave it. When you see a group of deer, they're always the same group. There are also some ultrasonic devices available to keep deer away , but we want to see more deer. We feed cracked corn to geese and ducks (we're on a pond with a waterfall); we were sitting on our deck one early summer, and a doe came and stared at us for a long time, so we put out some more corn. She went back into the underbrush at the edge of our property and came back with two fawns! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 11:14 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Wish they'd come in my yard and eat everything! I'm so tired of trimming shrubs and yard work. I used to like it but now I'm too busy with too many other things. My husband hates yard work worse than I do. I love to have a pretty yard but man it's a lot of work. If the deer came and tore it up then I'd have an excuse. Anyway, depending on the size of your property, I wonder if you planted a fruit tree or something they really liked at the far end of the property if they would stay with it and not come near your decorative plants. It might attract more deer though. I thought of it because at work we have some kind of big tree that puts out some kind of fruit (I don't even know what it is) and every year I see deer over there. I thought it was great and even put a salt lick over there. The thing is though that it's always two or three. I never see hoards and hoards of deer. Two or three come and eat and then they're gone. I work a lot of late evenings and I only see them here and there and only two or three at a time so they're not a major problem although there's plenty for them to eat and I would think more deer would come around. Wonder if they're territorial so they won't let other deer come eat their food. Well, just a thought. I know you don't want to attract deer but if they're coming no matter what and you're property is big enough just wondered if giving them something away from where you don't want them to be would help. As well as the wind chimes and other stuff. Probably would make it worse but I just wondered about it. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 09:55:22 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched! Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above them. Also suggest interplanting daffodils. On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote: OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am sorry for posting here. Natalie, Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I apologize. I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse they eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago the deer became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not get into that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. I chose repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. They are creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there was no nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a number on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry. James do not boot me off. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
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That's right, and make sure it's the kind that birds can't get hung up in, too! But it all depends on what animals you're trying to keep out, too. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 11:24 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Better research to find out what kind of fence to get. I used to find baby bunnies in my fenced in backyard all the time. I had like one inch spaces in between the boards and I guess they could slip through there plus I'd find places where they had dug under the fence or chewed a little of the bottom of the fence to make a bigger space to come in. This was years before I had cats out there. My two dogs would only go out to pee so the bunnies had this nice protected fenced in yard to come and go in and have their babies. I found several of the nests out there and saw some really tiny ones. So cute. But if the object is to keep them away better find the right kind of fence. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:11:36 -0400 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Bunnies are eating all my seedlings. I'm going to have to get a fence... or something. I would get outdoor cats if my neighbor didn't have two very aggressive rotties. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote: Bunnies eat my azaleas :( - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched! Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above them. Also suggest interplanting daffodils. On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote: OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am sorry for posting here. Natalie, Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I apologize. I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse they eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago the deer became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not get into that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. I chose repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. They are creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there was no nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a number on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry. James do not boot me off. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
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Was it to me? I think I was going to send some of my outdoor enclosures - but it has to be provate because this site doesn't accept anything larger than, is it 20MB? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 11:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Speaking of fences ... I was supposed to send pictures of my cat fence to someone. Was it someone in this group? I don't think I ever sent them. I'm so out of it though so I can't even remember who wanted it and if I ever sent them. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:23:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Better research to find out what kind of fence to get. I used to find baby bunnies in my fenced in backyard all the time. I had like one inch spaces in between the boards and I guess they could slip through there plus I'd find places where they had dug under the fence or chewed a little of the bottom of the fence to make a bigger space to come in. This was years before I had cats out there. My two dogs would only go out to pee so the bunnies had this nice protected fenced in yard to come and go in and have their babies. I found several of the nests out there and saw some really tiny ones. So cute. But if the object is to keep them away better find the right kind of fence. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:11:36 -0400 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Bunnies are eating all my seedlings. I'm going to have to get a fence... or something. I would get outdoor cats if my neighbor didn't have two very aggressive rotties. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote: Bunnies eat my azaleas :( - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched! Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above them. Also suggest interplanting daffodils. On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote: OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am sorry for posting here. Natalie, Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I apologize. I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse they eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago the deer became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not get into that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. I chose repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. They are creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there was no nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a number on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry. James do not boot me off. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org
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There must be info online about it! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 11:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I read that too but I don't know which oils it is that can cause problems. Since I hadn't planned on using it I didn't look it up. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 10:02:58 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I've read that one has to be extremely careful about using some essential oils on cats! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 12:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor FOR BUGS, especially buffalo gnats, use 1 teaspoon REAL vanilla in 1 quart water. Spray it on the back of the cat's head and under their chin. Works with mosquitos also. Everyone around here who has chickens use this every day on them. If they don't, they loose a lot of chickens. The gnats clog up the nostrils and also bite them under their heads and they die of bood loss. Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote: Amen to flea collars! I've used Revolution on my FeLV+ cat, Buddy, since he was 5 weeks old and never had an incident. I am totally with you on minimizing chemicals that I put on myself and my animals. (I made my own bug spray out of olive oil and eucalyptus oil. Not 100% effective, but better than nothing.) This isn't approved for cats but I've switched my dog, Abbott, over to these garlic tablets for fleas and ticks, http://www.springtimeinc.com/product/bug_off_garlic_chewables/dogs I only just started it at the beginning of the year, but I haven't seen any fleas or ticks on him yet! I had to take Abbott off of Revolution because he got whip worm, so now he's on Interceptor for anti-worms. I can't use Front Line on any of my animals because I have a close friend that has food poisoning-like reations when she comes in contact with animals that have it on them. She is a rare case and she loves my animals, so I am trying alternatives :-) And the Bug Off Garlic seems to be doing the trick! You can also use the Bug Off Garlic on yourself (I'm considering trying it), you just follow the weight chart. I also hear that garlic and brewer's yeast works very well. I wonder if it is safe to use on cats... If it is, you can mix the garlic and brewer's yeast power in with their food, this way you don't have to catch them to administer it... Ideas, ideas! On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Sorry - my cat sent this before it was done. Don't read the previous one, it doesn't make sense - I was inserting something. This is it: I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight, pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with poisons like flea stuff, ever. My vet really has a strong dislike of Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than Zodiak. But then, again, he doesn't use them indiscriminately, only when it's perfectly safe, cats are in good shape, and he observes them and asks clients to do so and report ANY change in the cat after the use of those products. The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even though she is treated with frontline. However, one can also bring a flea inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the making. -Original Message- From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:45 AM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight, pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with poisons like flea stuff, ever. My vet really has a strong dislike of Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than Zodiak. But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only when it's The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even though she is treated with frontline. However, one can also bring a flea inside
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No, it wasn't you but I can send them to you too. The name Debbie comes to mind but I'm not sure about that either. I'm in a feline asthma group too so it may have been someone from there. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:51:22 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Was it to me? I think I was going to send some of my outdoor enclosures - but it has to be provate because this site doesn't accept anything larger than, is it 20MB? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 11:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Speaking of fences ... I was supposed to send pictures of my cat fence to someone. Was it someone in this group? I don't think I ever sent them. I'm so out of it though so I can't even remember who wanted it and if I ever sent them. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:23:36 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Better research to find out what kind of fence to get. I used to find baby bunnies in my fenced in backyard all the time. I had like one inch spaces in between the boards and I guess they could slip through there plus I'd find places where they had dug under the fence or chewed a little of the bottom of the fence to make a bigger space to come in. This was years before I had cats out there. My two dogs would only go out to pee so the bunnies had this nice protected fenced in yard to come and go in and have their babies. I found several of the nests out there and saw some really tiny ones. So cute. But if the object is to keep them away better find the right kind of fence. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 11:11:36 -0400 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Bunnies are eating all my seedlings. I'm going to have to get a fence... or something. I would get outdoor cats if my neighbor didn't have two very aggressive rotties. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote: Bunnies eat my azaleas :( - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched! Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above them. Also suggest interplanting daffodils. On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote: OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am sorry for posting here. Natalie, Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I apologize. I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse they eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago the deer became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not get into that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. I chose repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. They are creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them
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Here's a lot of info: http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=deer-resistant+plants - deer resistant panting http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=garden+fencing+against+animal s - fencing -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 11:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Send them to me - my azalea bushes are overgrown and need trimming anyway! I used to have bunnies everywhere but now there's a few stray cats hanging around so I guess that's why they're not coming around anymore. I miss them though. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 10:04:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Bunnies eat my azaleas :( - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched! Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above them. Also suggest interplanting daffodils. On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote: OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am sorry for posting here. Natalie, Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I apologize. I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse they eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago the deer became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not get into that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. I chose repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. They are creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there was no nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a number on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry. James do not boot me off. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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diatomaceous earth “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 22:43:46 -0500 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor What is DE? Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Sorry, I don't mean to change the subject from our cats do deer, but. I have to confess to you that I am very heavily involved in trying to remove all the unfair blame for black-legged ticks/Lyme disease cast on deer. Scientific studies have shown that the number of deer have nothing to do with the number of ticks, and Lyme disease. In Fairfield County, CT (where I live), deer densities are a lot higher per sq/mi than in Windham County, CT - yet, incidents of LD are a lot higher where the deer numbers are lower! When many deer are killed, the assumption is, wrongly, that the number of ticks will decrease! It only means that the remaining deer will have more ticks on them. When a deer is killed, ticks don't die with them (just as when an animal that is infested with fleas dies, the fleas merely jump off onto other animals.) As soon as the blood cools, parasites leave. The ONLY solution is to go after the ticks! Black-legged ticks do not require only deer to fulfill their life-cycle to lay eggs - any midsized mammal will serve that purpose (horses in horse country, cattle on farms, etc, family dogs and even opportune Homo sapiens). Even though one might want to lay blame on the dozens of small mammals and even birds that carry the Lyme disease-causing spirochete bacterium, WITHOUT black-legged ticks, the transmission of the bacterium could be accomplished without them! Therefore, the ONLY solution to eliminating LD is getting rid of the black-legged ticks! And again, I'm not sure that anyone has seriously considered DE for doing that! It would stand to reason that if DE destroys the outer waxy covering of fleas, dehydrating them, why wouldn't it do the same on ticks? Although, it seems that fleas are harder to crunch and kill than ticks when they are engorged fully with blood -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sally Davis Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 8:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Ticks are the worst near wooded areas and in the woods. They are in tall weeds, and shrubs. We have lots of deer and deer ticks, the smaller ticks carry lyme disease. It even the nymph stage can tramsmit lyme. The deer population has exploded here and so have the ticks. Last year the cats would get in a nest of then and be covered with the small nymph stage. They would engorge and I would have hundreds crawling on my bed. I uses a lint roller and duct tape to get them up, but what a pain. They are not as bad this year but I started using the Frontline earlier. Last year I had to rush out and get it where I could. I did not get the cheapest price, but I still bought the dog size. As for Revolution I was not going to go there but I did not have a problem with it. I have heard it is safer then the other fles controls, because it works in a different way. I am not doubting what your vet says. Poison is poison. Sometimes a cat will lose hair where it is applied and it says that. I did have this happen with one of my FeLV cats. He was the cat who probably had Feline infectious anemia which is transmitted by fleas so for him better to make sure there are no fleas it only takes one flea to infect a cat, and a feline leukemia postive cat cannot fight off the infection. I have not used the nematodes but I have been interested in doing so. I do not have a lawn and fleas tend to live in grassy areas. They just feed on our pets. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Unless I missed a post I was not complaining. Sorry if you took it that way. I have a Masters degree in horticulture. I stated before did not start having a problem with deer until a few years ago. Everything I plant now is deer resistant. I am not giving up my daylily collection, because I have over 500 varieties. I started collecting before the deer changed their geazing pattern. I know they will eat some and I accept that. My cats love to lay amongst the daylilies. It gives the cover from the sun. Thanks for you offer. Sally This is my final post on the subject. Back to lurking folks. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Oh my gosh, that is a heavenly sight. I hope you get pics sometime. I wish I lived close to the woods. I did when I lived in Idaho many years ago and I love nature. I don't get to enjoy it here in Texas as much. I know when we lived in Austin, the deer were starving there cuz there were so many. I'd feed them too. I'ts in my nature to believe they need help too. They are beautiful animals! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Deer have a certain territory and don't leave it. When you see a group of deer, they're always the same group. There are also some ultrasonic devices available to keep deer away , but we want to see more deer. We feed cracked corn to geese and ducks (we're on a pond with a waterfall); we were sitting on our deck one early summer, and a doe came and stared at us for a long time, so we put out some more corn. She went back into the underbrush at the edge of our property and came back with two fawns! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 11:14 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Wish they'd come in my yard and eat everything! I'm so tired of trimming shrubs and yard work. I used to like it but now I'm too busy with too many other things. My husband hates yard work worse than I do. I love to have a pretty yard but man it's a lot of work. If the deer came and tore it up then I'd have an excuse. Anyway, depending on the size of your property, I wonder if you planted a fruit tree or something they really liked at the far end of the property if they would stay with it and not come near your decorative plants. It might attract more deer though. I thought of it because at work we have some kind of big tree that puts out some kind of fruit (I don't even know what it is) and every year I see deer over there. I thought it was great and even put a salt lick over there. The thing is though that it's always two or three. I never see hoards and hoards of deer. Two or three come and eat and then they're gone. I work a lot of late evenings and I only see them here and there and only two or three at a time so they're not a major problem although there's plenty for them to eat and I would think more deer would come around. Wonder if they're territorial so they won't let other deer come eat their food. Well, just a thought. I know you don't want to attract deer but if they're coming no matter what and you're property is big enough just wondered if giving them something away from where you don't want them to be would help. As well as the wind chimes and other stuff. Probably would make it worse but I just wondered about it. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 09:55:22 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor It's interesting that everyone always complains about certain flowers and shrubs being eaten. We have over 50-yr old rhododendrons, never touched! Azaleas - never touched! I stopped growing tulips and daylilieswill plant daffodils next year - love them! If anyone is interested, there are lists of plants that are deer-resistant, quite a few of them online! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 8:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above them. Also suggest interplanting daffodils. On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote: OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am sorry for posting here. Natalie, Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I apologize. I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse they eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago the deer became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not get into that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. I chose repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. They are creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there was no nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a number on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry. James do not boot me
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No worries, Sally :0) - Original Message - From: Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Unless I missed a post I was not complaining. Sorry if you took it that way. I have a Masters degree in horticulture. I stated before did not start having a problem with deer until a few years ago. Everything I plant now is deer resistant. I am not giving up my daylily collection, because I have over 500 varieties. I started collecting before the deer changed their geazing pattern. I know they will eat some and I accept that. My cats love to lay amongst the daylilies. It gives the cover from the sun. Thanks for you offer. Sally This is my final post on the subject. Back to lurking folks. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Sorry, I don't mean to change the subject from our cats do deer, but. I have to confess to you that I am very heavily involved in trying to remove all the unfair blame for black-legged ticks/Lyme disease cast on deer. Scientific studies have shown that the number of deer have nothing to do with the number of ticks, and Lyme disease. In Fairfield County, CT (where I live), deer densities are a lot higher per sq/mi than in Windham County, CT - yet, incidents of LD are a lot higher where the deer numbers are lower! When many deer are killed, the assumption is, wrongly, that the number of ticks will decrease! It only means that the remaining deer will have more ticks on them. When a deer is killed, ticks don't die with them (just as when an animal that is infested with fleas dies, the fleas merely jump off onto other animals.) As soon as the blood cools, parasites leave. The ONLY solution is to go after the ticks! Black-legged ticks do not require only deer to fulfill their life-cycle to lay eggs - any midsized mammal will serve that purpose (horses in horse country, cattle on farms, etc, family dogs and even opportune Homo sapiens). Even though one might want to lay blame on the dozens of small mammals and even birds that carry the Lyme disease-causing spirochete bacterium, WITHOUT black-legged ticks, the transmission of the bacterium could be accomplished without them! Therefore, the ONLY solution to eliminating LD is getting rid of the black-legged ticks! And again, I'm not sure that anyone has seriously considered DE for doing that! It would stand to reason that if DE destroys the outer waxy covering of fleas, dehydrating them, why wouldn't it do the same on ticks? Although, it seems that fleas are harder to crunch and kill than ticks when they are engorged fully with blood -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sally Davis Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 8:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Ticks are the worst near wooded areas and in the woods. They are in tall weeds, and shrubs. We have lots of deer and deer ticks, the smaller ticks carry lyme disease. It even the nymph stage can tramsmit lyme. The deer population has exploded here and so have the ticks. Last year the cats would get in a nest of then and be covered with the small nymph stage. They would engorge and I would have hundreds crawling on my bed. I uses a lint roller and duct tape to get them up, but what a pain. They are not as bad this year but I started using the Frontline earlier. Last year I had to rush out and get it where I could. I did not get the cheapest price, but I still bought the dog size. As for Revolution I was not going to go there but I did not have a problem with it. I have heard it is safer then the other fles controls, because it works in a different way. I am not doubting what your vet says. Poison is poison. Sometimes a cat will lose hair where it is applied and it says that. I did have this happen with one of my FeLV cats. He was the cat who probably had Feline infectious anemia which is transmitted by fleas so for him better to make sure there are no fleas it only takes one flea to infect a cat, and a feline leukemia postive cat cannot fight off the infection. I have not used the nematodes but I have been interested in doing so. I do not have a lawn and fleas tend to live in grassy areas. They just feed on our pets. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am sorry for posting here. Natalie, Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I apologize. I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse they eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago the deer became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not get into that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. I chose repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. They are creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there was no nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a number on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry. James do not boot me off. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above them. Also suggest interplanting daffodils. On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote: OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am sorry for posting here. Natalie, Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I apologize. I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse they eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago the deer became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not get into that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. I chose repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. They are creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there was no nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a number on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry. James do not boot me off. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I put up my first wind chime this year.. :-) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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This is he first I have heard of it. Have been usng Revolution since it covers heartworm and fleas. I live on a bluff right oer the river and we do have a lot of moquitos. We also seem to have more cases of heartworm in or county. He said cats usully keep themselves free of ticks. I check them out anyway every time they go out. I don't use it during the winter as they usually do not go out then because of rain and snow. I don't liketo use chemicals on them any more than necessary. I have never had any infestations of fleas in the house. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper. I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I always styed away from Sevin because I tought it would harm them as much as the fleas. MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house. On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote: I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all day yesterday cleaning combing cats to get rid of fleas they just had Advantage 2 weeks ago! Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw because the fleas were still crawling. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper. I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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RE: deer not really off topic, deer carry deer ticks and they hurt our cats. Nothing stops deer 100%, but it does hlp to plant Peonies and yarrow. Something they don't like about the smell I guess. It does work because my oriental lilies that are by peonies and yrrow have not been touched. MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above them. Also suggest interplanting daffodils. On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote: OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am sorry for posting here. Natalie, Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I apologize. I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse they eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago the deer became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not get into that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. I chose repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. They are creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there was no nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a number on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry. James do not boot me off. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Wind chimes makes sense, the noise startles them and send them running. MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: Suggest that you try lots of wind chimescheap is fine. They seem to love hostas but don't touch the few I havewith chimes above them. Also suggest interplanting daffodils. On Jun 2, 2011, at 7:45 PM, Sally Davis wrote: OFF TOPIC RE: DEER I think there is another forum for this. I am sorry for posting here. Natalie, Hold on. I am not blaming the deer. I was over simplifying, so I apologize. I have oppossum raccoons and squirels too. I battle the deer beacuse they eat my daylilies. I have lived here for 25 years and five years ago the deer became a problem. NOT their fault but the fault of man. I will not get into that. I do not think the deer need to be shot or anything like that. I chose repellants to hopefully get them to change their browsing patterns. They are creatures of habit. I felt sorry for them two winters ago when there was no nut crop in the fall and we had lots of snow here in VA. They did a number on plants they rarely touched in the past so I know they were hungry. James do not boot me off. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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What is DE? Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Sorry, I don't mean to change the subject from our cats do deer, but. I have to confess to you that I am very heavily involved in trying to remove all the unfair blame for black-legged ticks/Lyme disease cast on deer. Scientific studies have shown that the number of deer have nothing to do with the number of ticks, and Lyme disease. In Fairfield County, CT (where I live), deer densities are a lot higher per sq/mi than in Windham County, CT - yet, incidents of LD are a lot higher where the deer numbers are lower! When many deer are killed, the assumption is, wrongly, that the number of ticks will decrease! It only means that the remaining deer will have more ticks on them. When a deer is killed, ticks don't die with them (just as when an animal that is infested with fleas dies, the fleas merely jump off onto other animals.) As soon as the blood cools, parasites leave. The ONLY solution is to go after the ticks! Black-legged ticks do not require only deer to fulfill their life-cycle to lay eggs - any midsized mammal will serve that purpose (horses in horse country, cattle on farms, etc, family dogs and even opportune Homo sapiens). Even though one might want to lay blame on the dozens of small mammals and even birds that carry the Lyme disease-causing spirochete bacterium, WITHOUT black-legged ticks, the transmission of the bacterium could be accomplished without them! Therefore, the ONLY solution to eliminating LD is getting rid of the black-legged ticks! And again, I'm not sure that anyone has seriously considered DE for doing that! It would stand to reason that if DE destroys the outer waxy covering of fleas, dehydrating them, why wouldn't it do the same on ticks? Although, it seems that fleas are harder to crunch and kill than ticks when they are engorged fully with blood -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sally Davis Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 8:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Ticks are the worst near wooded areas and in the woods. They are in tall weeds, and shrubs. We have lots of deer and deer ticks, the smaller ticks carry lyme disease. It even the nymph stage can tramsmit lyme. The deer population has exploded here and so have the ticks. Last year the cats would get in a nest of then and be covered with the small nymph stage. They would engorge and I would have hundreds crawling on my bed. I uses a lint roller and duct tape to get them up, but what a pain. They are not as bad this year but I started using the Frontline earlier. Last year I had to rush out and get it where I could. I did not get the cheapest price, but I still bought the dog size. As for Revolution I was not going to go there but I did not have a problem with it. I have heard it is safer then the other fles controls, because it works in a different way. I am not doubting what your vet says. Poison is poison. Sometimes a cat will lose hair where it is applied and it says that. I did have this happen with one of my FeLV cats. He was the cat who probably had Feline infectious anemia which is transmitted by fleas so for him better to make sure there are no fleas it only takes one flea to infect a cat, and a feline leukemia postive cat cannot fight off the infection. I have not used the nematodes but I have been interested in doing so. I do not have a lawn and fleas tend to live in grassy areas. They just feed on our pets. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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One of my 1st group of cats lost a small patch of hair where I applied the Revolution, but it came back in pure white. So far, no problem with my new cats. I like the idea of duct tape and lint rollers to pick them up. Sure beats trying to pick them off one at a time. Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote: Ticks are the worst near wooded areas and in the woods. They are in tall weeds, and shrubs. We have lots of deer and deer ticks, the smaller ticks carry lyme disease. It even the nymph stage can tramsmit lyme. The deer population has exploded here and so have the ticks. Last year the cats would get in a nest of then and be covered with the small nymph stage. They would engorge and I would have hundreds crawling on my bed. I uses a lint roller and duct tape to get them up, but what a pain. They are not as bad this year but I started using the Frontline earlier. Last year I had to rush out and get it where I could. I did not get the cheapest price, but I still bought the dog size. As for Revolution I was not going to go there but I did not have a problem with it. I have heard it is safer then the other fles controls, because it works in a different way. I am not doubting what your vet says. Poison is poison. Sometimes a cat will lose hair where it is applied and it says that. I did have this happen with one of my FeLV cats. He was the cat who probably had Feline infectious anemia which is transmitted by fleas so for him better to make sure there are no fleas it only takes one flea to infect a cat, and a feline leukemia postive cat cannot fight off the infection. I have not used the nematodes but I have been interested in doing so. I do not have a lawn and fleas tend to live in grassy areas. They just feed on our pets. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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FOR BUGS, especially buffalo gnats, use 1 teaspoon REAL vanilla in 1 quart water. Spray it on the back of the cat's head and under their chin. Works with mosquitos also. Everyone around here who has chickens use this every day on them. If they don't, they loose a lot of chickens. The gnats clog up the nostrils and also bite them under their heads and they die of bood loss. Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote: Amen to flea collars! I've used Revolution on my FeLV+ cat, Buddy, since he was 5 weeks old and never had an incident. I am totally with you on minimizing chemicals that I put on myself and my animals. (I made my own bug spray out of olive oil and eucalyptus oil. Not 100% effective, but better than nothing.) This isn't approved for cats but I've switched my dog, Abbott, over to these garlic tablets for fleas and ticks, http://www.springtimeinc.com/product/bug_off_garlic_chewables/dogs I only just started it at the beginning of the year, but I haven't seen any fleas or ticks on him yet! I had to take Abbott off of Revolution because he got whip worm, so now he's on Interceptor for anti-worms. I can't use Front Line on any of my animals because I have a close friend that has food poisoning-like reations when she comes in contact with animals that have it on them. She is a rare case and she loves my animals, so I am trying alternatives :-) And the Bug Off Garlic seems to be doing the trick! You can also use the Bug Off Garlic on yourself (I'm considering trying it), you just follow the weight chart. I also hear that garlic and brewer's yeast works very well. I wonder if it is safe to use on cats... If it is, you can mix the garlic and brewer's yeast power in with their food, this way you don't have to catch them to administer it... Ideas, ideas! On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Sorry - my cat sent this before it was done. Don't read the previous one, it doesn't make sense - I was inserting something. This is it: I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight, pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with poisons like flea stuff, ever. My vet really has a strong dislike of Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than Zodiak. But then, again, he doesn't use them indiscriminately, only when it's perfectly safe, cats are in good shape, and he observes them and asks clients to do so and report ANY change in the cat after the use of those products. The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even though she is treated with frontline. However, one can also bring a flea inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the making. -Original Message- From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:45 AM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight, pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with poisons like flea stuff, ever. My vet really has a strong dislike of Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than Zodiak. But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only when it's The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even though she is treated with frontline. However, one can also bring a flea inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the making. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Even if you have indoor-only cats, they can get fleas. A vet once told me, If a squirrel runs through your yard, you can have a flea infestation in the house. True, dat. My college roommate and I had three indoor cats, and one summer they all became so infested we had to bomb the house... Twice. (Interesting side-note: a flea can't live/reproduce off human blood) I have 12 cats and use Revolution on them. I don't put it on all of them at once- I stagger it and put it on two this week, two next week, etc. That seems to keep the fleas at bay. I'd also like to address Natalie's vet- I used to work for a vet (and at an animal shelter) and have seen numerous cats go into seizures and die from Frontline and Advantage, but never Revolution. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, I've just never seen or heard of it (and I know a lot of Crazy Cat People! haha). -Original Message- From
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I am glad someone else has this problem. Harley is always doing that to me. He also lovesto chase the mouse around the screen and even tried to look around the back and catch it there. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Sorry - my cat sent this before it was done. Don't read the previous one, it doesn't make sense - I was inserting something. This is it: I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight, pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with poisons like flea stuff, ever. My vet really has a strong dislike of Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than Zodiak. But then, again, he doesn't use them indiscriminately, only when it's perfectly safe, cats are in good shape, and he observes them and asks clients to do so and report ANY change in the cat after the use of those products. The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even though she is treated with frontline. However, one can also bring a flea inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the making. -Original Message- From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:45 AM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight, pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with poisons like flea stuff, ever. My vet really has a strong dislike of Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than Zodiak. But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only when it's The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even though she is treated with frontline. However, one can also bring a flea inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the making. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Even if you have indoor-only cats, they can get fleas. A vet once told me, If a squirrel runs through your yard, you can have a flea infestation in the house. True, dat. My college roommate and I had three indoor cats, and one summer they all became so infested we had to bomb the house... Twice. (Interesting side-note: a flea can't live/reproduce off human blood) I have 12 cats and use Revolution on them. I don't put it on all of them at once- I stagger it and put it on two this week, two next week, etc. That seems to keep the fleas at bay. I'd also like to address Natalie's vet- I used to work for a vet (and at an animal shelter) and have seen numerous cats go into seizures and die from Frontline and Advantage, but never Revolution. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, I've just never seen or heard of it (and I know a lot of Crazy Cat People! haha). -Original Message- From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I'm not quite sure what Advantage does - you could look up each product and see their specifications. I just sent some suggestions to group; some we have used and are using, and some that I am considering, although what we have right now really works well on all the cats and the doggie. Although our cats don't go outside, they use the outdoor enclosures, thereby possible being exposed to fleas. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I've compared the dog cat ingredients on the basic Advantage it is the same. You have to know the dose be very careful because some of the dog Advantage is toxic to cats. My vet said the same thing about Revolution. She doesn't recommend it. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 5:52 PM Are you sure it's the same stuff for cats and dogs? I have never heard of splitting it - could be bad! Have you compared the ingredients and their amounts? My vet refuses to do revolution - he says it's dangerous because there have been many incidents of cats convulsing - too many things in it all at one time! Too bad, it's a Pfizer product! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I've always had great luck with Revolution, if you need something new. It's not cheap, but I think it is worth the price (about $15 per cat). I only have two cats, so it isn't bad for me. I have a friend with multiple cats and she gets a dog sized dose of FrontLine and splits it weight-wise between the cats, apparently it's the same stuff. I've also heard very good things about diatomaceous earth. I'm actually about to use it on my yard because of the chiggers and mosquitos. On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: I wouldn't put Sevin Dust on my plants. There's no way I would put it on my cats. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/31/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:29 PM Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house. On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote: I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all day yesterday cleaning combing cats to get rid of fleas they just had Advantage 2 weeks ago! Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw because the fleas were still crawling. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper. I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Revolution - http://www.1800petmeds.com/Revolution-prod10265.html - it's also against, heartworm, earmites - but they don't mention ticks! In rescued cats, especially those who may have immunodeficiency, it's NOT a good idea to use this product at all! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 8:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I've compared the dog cat ingredients on the basic Advantage it is the same. You have to know the dose be very careful because some of the dog Advantage is toxic to cats. My vet said the same thing about Revolution. She doesn't recommend it. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 5:52 PM Are you sure it's the same stuff for cats and dogs? I have never heard of splitting it - could be bad! Have you compared the ingredients and their amounts? My vet refuses to do revolution - he says it's dangerous because there have been many incidents of cats convulsing - too many things in it all at one time! Too bad, it's a Pfizer product! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I've always had great luck with Revolution, if you need something new. It's not cheap, but I think it is worth the price (about $15 per cat). I only have two cats, so it isn't bad for me. I have a friend with multiple cats and she gets a dog sized dose of FrontLine and splits it weight-wise between the cats, apparently it's the same stuff. I've also heard very good things about diatomaceous earth. I'm actually about to use it on my yard because of the chiggers and mosquitos. On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: I wouldn't put Sevin Dust on my plants. There's no way I would put it on my cats. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/31/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:29 PM Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house. On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote: I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all day yesterday cleaning combing cats to get rid of fleas they just had Advantage 2 weeks ago! Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw because the fleas were still crawling. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper. I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk
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Just to throw this out there but my vet is adamantly opposed to using dog flea meds on cats, ESPECIALLY Advantix (which can and has caused even dog deaths). She said that on the surface, the meds look the same but the percentages of toxins is very different between dog and cat formulas. Unfortunately, I know that many rescues have very limited budgets (me too) so I am in no way trying to say that people are wrong for doing this, just saying I would be very careful. Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 05:57:46 -0700 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I've compared the dog cat ingredients on the basic Advantage it is the same. You have to know the dose be very careful because some of the dog Advantage is toxic to cats. My vet said the same thing about Revolution. She doesn't recommend it. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 5:52 PM Are you sure it's the same stuff for cats and dogs? I have never heard of splitting it - could be bad! Have you compared the ingredients and their amounts? My vet refuses to do revolution - he says it's dangerous because there have been many incidents of cats convulsing - too many things in it all at one time! Too bad, it's a Pfizer product! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I've always had great luck with Revolution, if you need something new. It's not cheap, but I think it is worth the price (about $15 per cat). I only have two cats, so it isn't bad for me. I have a friend with multiple cats and she gets a dog sized dose of FrontLine and splits it weight-wise between the cats, apparently it's the same stuff. I've also heard very good things about diatomaceous earth. I'm actually about to use it on my yard because of the chiggers and mosquitos. On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: I wouldn't put Sevin Dust on my plants. There's no way I would put it on my cats. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/31/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:29 PM Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house. On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote: I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all day yesterday cleaning combing cats to get rid of fleas they just had Advantage 2 weeks ago! Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw because the fleas were still crawling. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper. I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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No, you should never use Advantix on a cat. If you use dog Advantage on a cat make sure you use the regular plain formula. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 6/1/11, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 1, 2011, 10:21 AM Just to throw this out there but my vet is adamantly opposed to using dog flea meds on cats, ESPECIALLY Advantix (which can and has caused even dog deaths). She said that on the surface, the meds look the same but the percentages of toxins is very different between dog and cat formulas. Unfortunately, I know that many rescues have very limited budgets (me too) so I am in no way trying to say that people are wrong for doing this, just saying I would be very careful. Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 05:57:46 -0700 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I've compared the dog cat ingredients on the basic Advantage it is the same. You have to know the dose be very careful because some of the dog Advantage is toxic to cats. My vet said the same thing about Revolution. She doesn't recommend it. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 5:52 PM Are you sure it's the same stuff for cats and dogs? I have never heard of splitting it - could be bad! Have you compared the ingredients and their amounts? My vet refuses to do revolution - he says it's dangerous because there have been many incidents of cats convulsing - too many things in it all at one time! Too bad, it's a Pfizer product! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I've always had great luck with Revolution, if you need something new. It's not cheap, but I think it is worth the price (about $15 per cat). I only have two cats, so it isn't bad for me. I have a friend with multiple cats and she gets a dog sized dose of FrontLine and splits it weight-wise between the cats, apparently it's the same stuff. I've also heard very good things about diatomaceous earth. I'm actually about to use it on my yard because of the chiggers and mosquitos. On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: I wouldn't put Sevin Dust on my plants. There's no way I would put it on my cats. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/31/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:29 PM Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house. On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote: I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all day yesterday cleaning combing cats to get rid of fleas they just had Advantage 2 weeks ago! Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw because the fleas were still crawling. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper. I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
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Even if you have indoor-only cats, they can get fleas. A vet once told me, If a squirrel runs through your yard, you can have a flea infestation in the house. True, dat. My college roommate and I had three indoor cats, and one summer they all became so infested we had to bomb the house... Twice. (Interesting side-note: a flea can't live/reproduce off human blood) I have 12 cats and use Revolution on them. I don't put it on all of them at once- I stagger it and put it on two this week, two next week, etc. That seems to keep the fleas at bay. I'd also like to address Natalie's vet- I used to work for a vet (and at an animal shelter) and have seen numerous cats go into seizures and die from Frontline and Advantage, but never Revolution. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, I've just never seen or heard of it (and I know a lot of Crazy Cat People! haha). -Original Message- From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I'm not quite sure what Advantage does - you could look up each product and see their specifications. I just sent some suggestions to group; some we have used and are using, and some that I am considering, although what we have right now really works well on all the cats and the doggie. Although our cats don't go outside, they use the outdoor enclosures, thereby possible being exposed to fleas. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a few years ago. Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the house and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way that I could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive. That's why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house, around the cat enclosures - it's worked so far. Rain does affect it to some degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not just before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced if it happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat is adopted, it's Frontline - which my vet recommends if one must use something. That's why I am also looking for alternatives to frontline, such as the cedar products that I sent yesterday to the group. I've heard from others that they are effective. Flea collars are absolutely useless; they're poisons directly on a cat's neck all the time, many cats develop baldness and irritation, and you can still find fleas even under those collars - so what good is it? The fewer toxins we can use, the better it is for cats' health, especially those that aren't well, why bombard them with more stuff that their immune systems can't deal with and need to fight their own illnesses. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 10:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Just to throw this out there but my vet is adamantly opposed to using dog flea meds on cats, ESPECIALLY Advantix (which can and has caused even dog deaths). She said that on the surface, the meds look the same but the percentages of toxins is very different between dog and cat formulas. Unfortunately, I know that many rescues have very limited budgets (me too) so I am in no way trying to say that people are wrong for doing this, just saying I would be very careful. Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 05:57:46 -0700 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I've compared the dog cat ingredients on the basic Advantage it is the same. You have to know the dose be very careful because some of the dog Advantage is toxic to cats. My vet said the same thing about Revolution. She doesn't recommend it. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 5:52 PM Are you sure it's the same stuff for cats and dogs? I have never heard of splitting it - could be bad! Have you compared the ingredients and their amounts? My vet refuses to do revolution - he says it's dangerous because there have been many incidents of cats convulsing - too many things in it all at one time! Too bad, it's a Pfizer product! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I've always had great luck with Revolution, if you need something new. It's not cheap, but I think it is worth the price (about $15 per cat). I only have two cats, so it isn't bad for me. I have a friend with multiple cats and she gets a dog sized dose of FrontLine and splits it weight-wise between the cats, apparently it's the same stuff. I've also heard very good things about diatomaceous earth. I'm actually about to use it on my yard because of the chiggers and mosquitos. On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: I wouldn't put Sevin Dust on my plants. There's no way I would put it on my cats. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/31/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:29 PM Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house. On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote: I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all day yesterday cleaning combing cats to get rid of fleas they just had Advantage 2 weeks ago! Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw because the fleas were still crawling. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com Cc
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I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight, pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with poisons like flea stuff, ever. My vet really has a strong dislike of Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than Zodiak. But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only when it's The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even though she is treated with frontline. However, one can also bring a flea inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the making. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Even if you have indoor-only cats, they can get fleas. A vet once told me, If a squirrel runs through your yard, you can have a flea infestation in the house. True, dat. My college roommate and I had three indoor cats, and one summer they all became so infested we had to bomb the house... Twice. (Interesting side-note: a flea can't live/reproduce off human blood) I have 12 cats and use Revolution on them. I don't put it on all of them at once- I stagger it and put it on two this week, two next week, etc. That seems to keep the fleas at bay. I'd also like to address Natalie's vet- I used to work for a vet (and at an animal shelter) and have seen numerous cats go into seizures and die from Frontline and Advantage, but never Revolution. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, I've just never seen or heard of it (and I know a lot of Crazy Cat People! haha). -Original Message- From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I'm not quite sure what Advantage does - you could look up each product and see their specifications. I just sent some suggestions to group; some we have used and are using, and some that I am considering, although what we have right now really works well on all the cats and the doggie. Although our cats don't go outside, they use the outdoor enclosures, thereby possible being exposed to fleas. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Amen to flea collars! I've used Revolution on my FeLV+ cat, Buddy, since he was 5 weeks old and never had an incident. I am totally with you on minimizing chemicals that I put on myself and my animals. (I made my own bug spray out of olive oil and eucalyptus oil. Not 100% effective, but better than nothing.) This isn't approved for cats but I've switched my dog, Abbott, over to these garlic tablets for fleas and ticks, http://www.springtimeinc.com/product/bug_off_garlic_chewables/dogs I only just started it at the beginning of the year, but I haven't seen any fleas or ticks on him yet! I had to take Abbott off of Revolution because he got whip worm, so now he's on Interceptor for anti-worms. I can't use Front Line on any of my animals because I have a close friend that has food poisoning-like reations when she comes in contact with animals that have it on them. She is a rare case and she loves my animals, so I am trying alternatives :-) And the Bug Off Garlic seems to be doing the trick! You can also use the Bug Off Garlic on yourself (I'm considering trying it), you just follow the weight chart. I also hear that garlic and brewer's yeast works very well. I wonder if it is safe to use on cats... If it is, you can mix the garlic and brewer's yeast power in with their food, this way you don't have to catch them to administer it... Ideas, ideas! On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Sorry - my cat sent this before it was done. Don't read the previous one, it doesn't make sense - I was inserting something. This is it: I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight, pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with poisons like flea stuff, ever. My vet really has a strong dislike of Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than Zodiak. But then, again, he doesn't use them indiscriminately, only when it's perfectly safe, cats are in good shape, and he observes them and asks clients to do so and report ANY change in the cat after the use of those products. The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even though she is treated with frontline. However, one can also bring a flea inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the making. -Original Message- From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:45 AM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight, pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with poisons like flea stuff, ever. My vet really has a strong dislike of Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than Zodiak. But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only when it's The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even though she is treated with frontline. However, one can also bring a flea inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the making. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Even if you have indoor-only cats, they can get fleas. A vet once told me, If a squirrel runs through your yard, you can have a flea infestation in the house. True, dat. My college roommate and I had three indoor cats, and one summer they all became so infested we had to bomb the house... Twice. (Interesting side-note: a flea can't live/reproduce off human blood) I have 12 cats and use Revolution on them. I don't put it on all of them at once- I stagger it and put it on two this week, two next week, etc. That seems to keep the fleas at bay. I'd also like to address Natalie's vet- I used to work for a vet (and at an animal shelter) and have seen numerous cats go into seizures and die from Frontline and Advantage, but never Revolution. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, I've just never seen or heard of it (and I know a lot of Crazy Cat People! haha). -Original Message- From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I'm not quite sure what Advantage does - you could look up each product and see their specifications. I just sent some suggestions to group; some we have used and are using, and some that I am considering, although what we have right now really works well on all the cats and the doggie. Although our cats don't go outside, they use the outdoor enclosures, thereby possible
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Why is it that your vet hates Revolution? Has he had a lot of cats with bad reactions to it? “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:48:04 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Sorry - my cat sent this before it was done. Don't read the previous one, it doesn't make sense - I was inserting something. This is it: I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight, pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with poisons like flea stuff, ever. My vet really has a strong dislike of Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than Zodiak. But then, again, he doesn't use them indiscriminately, only when it's perfectly safe, cats are in good shape, and he observes them and asks clients to do so and report ANY change in the cat after the use of those products. The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even though she is treated with frontline. However, one can also bring a flea inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the making. -Original Message- From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:45 AM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight, pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with poisons like flea stuff, ever. My vet really has a strong dislike of Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than Zodiak. But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only when it's The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even though she is treated with frontline. However, one can also bring a flea inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the making. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Even if you have indoor-only cats, they can get fleas. A vet once told me, If a squirrel runs through your yard, you can have a flea infestation in the house. True, dat. My college roommate and I had three indoor cats, and one summer they all became so infested we had to bomb the house... Twice. (Interesting side-note: a flea can't live/reproduce off human blood) I have 12 cats and use Revolution on them. I don't put it on all of them at once- I stagger it and put it on two this week, two next week, etc. That seems to keep the fleas at bay. I'd also like to address Natalie's vet- I used to work for a vet (and at an animal shelter) and have seen numerous cats go into seizures and die from Frontline and Advantage, but never Revolution. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, I've just never seen or heard of it (and I know a lot of Crazy Cat People! haha). -Original Message- From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I'm not quite sure what Advantage does - you could look up each product and see their specifications. I just sent some suggestions to group; some we have used and are using, and some that I am considering, although what we have right now really works well on all the cats and the doggie. Although our cats don't go outside, they use the outdoor enclosures, thereby possible being exposed to fleas. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes. I just sprayed my little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it makes a difference for the fleas. I don't want to use chemicals if I don't have to. I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either. Have you heard that? But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade where I had sprayed the nematodes. Like I said in that other e-mail, the DE looks like flour. So now my whole yard is covered with this white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up. Either that or it looks like a cocaine plant exploded. How often do you guys spray the nematodes? I heard twice a year would be good enough. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a few years ago. Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the house and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way that I could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive. That's why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house, around the cat enclosures - it's worked so far. Rain does affect it to some degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not just before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced if it happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat is adopted, it's Frontline - which my vet recommends if one must use something. That's why I am also looking for alternatives to frontline, such as the cedar products that I sent yesterday to the group. I've heard from others that they are effective. Flea collars are absolutely useless; they're poisons directly on a cat's neck all the time, many cats develop baldness and irritation, and you can still find fleas even under those collars - so what good is it? The fewer toxins we can use, the better it is for cats' health, especially those that aren't well, why bombard them with more stuff that their immune systems can't deal with and need to fight their own illnesses. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Is the diatomaceous earth product you are talking about the same as what we have to put in our pool? Just wondering. Did I miss something along the way? My apologies if I did. Thanks, Lynda - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes. I just sprayed my little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it makes a difference for the fleas. I don't want to use chemicals if I don't have to. I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either. Have you heard that? But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade where I had sprayed the nematodes. Like I said in that other e-mail, the DE looks like flour. So now my whole yard is covered with this white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up. Either that or it looks like a cocaine plant exploded. How often do you guys spray the nematodes? I heard twice a year would be good enough. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a few years ago. Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the house and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way that I could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive. That's why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house, around the cat enclosures - it's worked so far. Rain does affect it to some degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not just before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced if it happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat is adopted, it's Frontline - which my vet recommends if one must use something. That's why I am also looking for alternatives to frontline, such as the cedar products that I sent yesterday to the group. I've heard from others that they are effective. Flea collars are absolutely useless; they're poisons directly on a cat's neck all the time, many cats develop baldness and irritation, and you can still find fleas even under those collars - so what good is it? The fewer toxins we can use, the better it is for cats' health, especially those that aren't well, why bombard them with more stuff that their immune systems can't deal with and need to fight their own illnesses. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Yes, and his vet friends, too! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Why is it that your vet hates Revolution? Has he had a lot of cats with bad reactions to it? I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:48:04 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Sorry - my cat sent this before it was done. Don't read the previous one, it doesn't make sense - I was inserting something. This is it: I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight, pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with poisons like flea stuff, ever. My vet really has a strong dislike of Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than Zodiak. But then, again, he doesn't use them indiscriminately, only when it's perfectly safe, cats are in good shape, and he observes them and asks clients to do so and report ANY change in the cat after the use of those products. The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even though she is treated with frontline. However, one can also bring a flea inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the making. -Original Message- From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:45 AM To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org' Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight, pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with poisons like flea stuff, ever. My vet really has a strong dislike of Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than Zodiak. But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only when it's The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even though she is treated with frontline. However, one can also bring a flea inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the making. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Even if you have indoor-only cats, they can get fleas. A vet once told me, If a squirrel runs through your yard, you can have a flea infestation in the house. True, dat. My college roommate and I had three indoor cats, and one summer they all became so infested we had to bomb the house... Twice. (Interesting side-note: a flea can't live/reproduce off human blood) I have 12 cats and use Revolution on them. I don't put it on all of them at once- I stagger it and put it on two this week, two next week, etc. That seems to keep the fleas at bay. I'd also like to address Natalie's vet- I used to work for a vet (and at an animal shelter) and have seen numerous cats go into seizures and die from Frontline and Advantage, but never Revolution. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, I've just never seen or heard of it (and I know a lot of Crazy Cat People! haha). -Original Message- From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I'm not quite sure what Advantage does - you could look up each product and see their specifications. I just sent some suggestions to group; some we have used and are using, and some that I am considering, although what we have right now really works well on all the cats and the doggie. Although our cats don't go outside, they use the outdoor enclosures, thereby possible being exposed to fleas. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My husband actually sprays a few times in the summer and fall - just to make sure. He sprays it under the deck where the cat enclosure is on top of the deck. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes. I just sprayed my little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it makes a difference for the fleas. I don't want to use chemicals if I don't have to. I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either. Have you heard that? But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade where I had sprayed the nematodes. Like I said in that other e-mail, the DE looks like flour. So now my whole yard is covered with this white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up. Either that or it looks like a cocaine plant exploded. How often do you guys spray the nematodes? I heard twice a year would be good enough. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a few years ago. Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the house and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way that I could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive. That's why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house, around the cat enclosures - it's worked so far. Rain does affect it to some degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not just before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced if it happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat is adopted, it's Frontline - which my vet recommends if one must use something. That's why I am also looking for alternatives to frontline, such as the cedar products that I sent yesterday to the group. I've heard from others that they are effective. Flea collars are absolutely useless; they're poisons directly on a cat's neck all the time, many cats develop baldness and irritation, and you can still find fleas even under those collars - so what good is it? The fewer toxins we can use, the better it is for cats' health, especially those that aren't well, why bombard them with more stuff that their immune systems can't deal with and need to fight their own illnesses. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
It's the food grade version of the diatomaceous earth. It's safe as long as you get the food grade. The kind you put in your swimming pool is very toxic. The brand name I got was Perma-Guard I think. You can probably google it but I'm sure if you google just diatomaceous earth you'll get lots of info about the food grade. The kind you put in your pool has been somewhat altered which is what makes it toxic. Lots of people actually take a small amount of the food grade daily like you would a supplement. Even some people said they put it in their pet's food because it acts as a dewormer. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:43:02 -0500 From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Is the diatomaceous earth product you are talking about the same as what we have to put in our pool? Just wondering. Did I miss something along the way? My apologies if I did. Thanks, Lynda - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes. I just sprayed my little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it makes a difference for the fleas. I don't want to use chemicals if I don't have to. I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either. Have you heard that? But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade where I had sprayed the nematodes. Like I said in that other e-mail, the DE looks like flour. So now my whole yard is covered with this white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up. Either that or it looks like a cocaine plant exploded. How often do you guys spray the nematodes? I heard twice a year would be good enough. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a few years ago. Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the house and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way that I could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive. That's why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house, around the cat enclosures - it's worked so far. Rain does affect it to some degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not just before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced if it happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat is adopted, it's Frontline - which my vet recommends if one must use something. That's why I am also looking for alternatives to frontline, such as the cedar products that I sent yesterday to the group. I've heard from others that they are effective. Flea collars are absolutely useless; they're poisons directly on a cat's neck all the time, many cats develop baldness and irritation, and you can still find fleas even under those collars - so what good is it? The fewer toxins we can use, the better it is for cats' health, especially those that aren't well, why bombard them with more stuff that their immune systems can't deal with and need to fight their own illnesses. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Yes, it probably is. But the one used for worming, according to Dr. Pitcairn, is food grade. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Is the diatomaceous earth product you are talking about the same as what we have to put in our pool? Just wondering. Did I miss something along the way? My apologies if I did. Thanks, Lynda - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes. I just sprayed my little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it makes a difference for the fleas. I don't want to use chemicals if I don't have to. I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either. Have you heard that? But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade where I had sprayed the nematodes. Like I said in that other e-mail, the DE looks like flour. So now my whole yard is covered with this white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up. Either that or it looks like a cocaine plant exploded. How often do you guys spray the nematodes? I heard twice a year would be good enough. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a few years ago. Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the house and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way that I could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive. That's why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house, around the cat enclosures - it's worked so far. Rain does affect it to some degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not just before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced if it happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat is adopted, it's Frontline - which my vet recommends if one must use something. That's why I am also looking for alternatives to frontline, such as the cedar products that I sent yesterday to the group. I've heard from others that they are effective. Flea collars are absolutely useless; they're poisons directly on a cat's neck all the time, many cats develop baldness and irritation, and you can still find fleas even under those collars - so what good is it? The fewer toxins we can use, the better it is for cats' health, especially those that aren't well, why bombard them with more stuff that their immune systems can't deal with and need to fight their own illnesses. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
ok, thanksso glad I asked! Whew!! - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor It's the food grade version of the diatomaceous earth. It's safe as long as you get the food grade. The kind you put in your swimming pool is very toxic. The brand name I got was Perma-Guard I think. You can probably google it but I'm sure if you google just diatomaceous earth you'll get lots of info about the food grade. The kind you put in your pool has been somewhat altered which is what makes it toxic. Lots of people actually take a small amount of the food grade daily like you would a supplement. Even some people said they put it in their pet's food because it acts as a dewormer. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:43:02 -0500 From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Is the diatomaceous earth product you are talking about the same as what we have to put in our pool? Just wondering. Did I miss something along the way? My apologies if I did. Thanks, Lynda - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes. I just sprayed my little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it makes a difference for the fleas. I don't want to use chemicals if I don't have to. I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either. Have you heard that? But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade where I had sprayed the nematodes. Like I said in that other e-mail, the DE looks like flour. So now my whole yard is covered with this white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up. Either that or it looks like a cocaine plant exploded. How often do you guys spray the nematodes? I heard twice a year would be good enough. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a few years ago. Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the house and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way that I could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive. That's why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house, around the cat enclosures - it's worked so far. Rain does affect it to some degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not just before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced if it happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat is adopted, it's Frontline - which my vet recommends if one must use something. That's why I am also looking for alternatives to frontline, such as the cedar products that I sent yesterday to the group. I've heard from others that they are effective. Flea collars are absolutely useless; they're poisons directly on a cat's neck all the time, many cats develop baldness and irritation, and you can still find fleas even under those collars - so what good is it? The fewer toxins we can use, the better it is for cats' health, especially those that aren't well, why bombard them with more stuff that their immune systems can't deal with and need to fight their own illnesses. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Glad you asked too!!! Hate to be responsible for killing your cats. You'd probably come find me and kill me because I know you love your baby Sugar. The food grade can sometimes be bought from a local feed store because they also give it to cows and horses. I got a 50 lb bag for $39.95 and I have no idea how I'll ever use it all up. Even after spreading it in my yard I've got a ton left. The feed store didn't have any smaller bags though, but it doesn't go bad so I'll have plenty to use next year too. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:21:35 -0500 From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor ok, thanksso glad I asked! Whew!! - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor It's the food grade version of the diatomaceous earth. It's safe as long as you get the food grade. The kind you put in your swimming pool is very toxic. The brand name I got was Perma-Guard I think. You can probably google it but I'm sure if you google just diatomaceous earth you'll get lots of info about the food grade. The kind you put in your pool has been somewhat altered which is what makes it toxic. Lots of people actually take a small amount of the food grade daily like you would a supplement. Even some people said they put it in their pet's food because it acts as a dewormer. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:43:02 -0500 From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Is the diatomaceous earth product you are talking about the same as what we have to put in our pool? Just wondering. Did I miss something along the way? My apologies if I did. Thanks, Lynda - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes. I just sprayed my little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it makes a difference for the fleas. I don't want to use chemicals if I don't have to. I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either. Have you heard that? But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade where I had sprayed the nematodes. Like I said in that other e-mail, the DE looks like flour. So now my whole yard is covered with this white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up. Either that or it looks like a cocaine plant exploded. How often do you guys spray the nematodes? I heard twice a year would be good enough. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a few years ago. Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the house and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way that I could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive. That's why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house, around the cat enclosures - it's worked so far. Rain does affect it to some degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not just before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced if it happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat is adopted, it's Frontline - which my vet recommends if one must use something. That's why I am also looking for alternatives to frontline, such as the cedar products that I sent yesterday to the group. I've heard from others that they are effective. Flea collars are absolutely useless
Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
The danger with diatomaceous earth is that each teeny flake, like a microscopic snowflake, has extremely sharp edges - if inhaled, can cause very serious lung irritation, whether it's food or garden/pool grade! ALL varieties work on getting rid of fleas, whereas ONLY the food grade can be used as wormer or supplement. I can tell you that it really works - it destroys the flea's waxy coating, exposing it to dehydration, leading to death! Sounds horrible, but I don't mind killing fleas and ticks, well, maybe bedbugs, too! I wonder if anyone ever checked if DE kills bedbugs, too; they seem to have a crunchy body- yuck! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:36 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Glad you asked too!!! Hate to be responsible for killing your cats. You'd probably come find me and kill me because I know you love your baby Sugar. The food grade can sometimes be bought from a local feed store because they also give it to cows and horses. I got a 50 lb bag for $39.95 and I have no idea how I'll ever use it all up. Even after spreading it in my yard I've got a ton left. The feed store didn't have any smaller bags though, but it doesn't go bad so I'll have plenty to use next year too. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:21:35 -0500 From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor ok, thanksso glad I asked! Whew!! - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor It's the food grade version of the diatomaceous earth. It's safe as long as you get the food grade. The kind you put in your swimming pool is very toxic. The brand name I got was Perma-Guard I think. You can probably google it but I'm sure if you google just diatomaceous earth you'll get lots of info about the food grade. The kind you put in your pool has been somewhat altered which is what makes it toxic. Lots of people actually take a small amount of the food grade daily like you would a supplement. Even some people said they put it in their pet's food because it acts as a dewormer. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:43:02 -0500 From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Is the diatomaceous earth product you are talking about the same as what we have to put in our pool? Just wondering. Did I miss something along the way? My apologies if I did. Thanks, Lynda - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes. I just sprayed my little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it makes a difference for the fleas. I don't want to use chemicals if I don't have to. I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either. Have you heard that? But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade where I had sprayed the nematodes. Like I said in that other e-mail, the DE looks like flour. So now my whole yard is covered with this white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up. Either that or it looks like a cocaine plant exploded. How often do you guys spray the nematodes? I heard twice a year would be good enough. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a few years ago. Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so
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Yuck is right, but it's a good thought!! Bed bugs are bad, so I hear. I don't want to experience them either! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor The danger with diatomaceous earth is that each teeny flake, like a microscopic snowflake, has extremely sharp edges - if inhaled, can cause very serious lung irritation, whether it's food or garden/pool grade! ALL varieties work on getting rid of fleas, whereas ONLY the food grade can be used as wormer or supplement. I can tell you that it really works - it destroys the flea's waxy coating, exposing it to dehydration, leading to death! Sounds horrible, but I don't mind killing fleas and ticks, well, maybe bedbugs, too! I wonder if anyone ever checked if DE kills bedbugs, too; they seem to have a crunchy body- yuck! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:36 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Glad you asked too!!! Hate to be responsible for killing your cats. You'd probably come find me and kill me because I know you love your baby Sugar. The food grade can sometimes be bought from a local feed store because they also give it to cows and horses. I got a 50 lb bag for $39.95 and I have no idea how I'll ever use it all up. Even after spreading it in my yard I've got a ton left. The feed store didn't have any smaller bags though, but it doesn't go bad so I'll have plenty to use next year too. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:21:35 -0500 From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor ok, thanksso glad I asked! Whew!! - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor It's the food grade version of the diatomaceous earth. It's safe as long as you get the food grade. The kind you put in your swimming pool is very toxic. The brand name I got was Perma-Guard I think. You can probably google it but I'm sure if you google just diatomaceous earth you'll get lots of info about the food grade. The kind you put in your pool has been somewhat altered which is what makes it toxic. Lots of people actually take a small amount of the food grade daily like you would a supplement. Even some people said they put it in their pet's food because it acts as a dewormer. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:43:02 -0500 From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Is the diatomaceous earth product you are talking about the same as what we have to put in our pool? Just wondering. Did I miss something along the way? My apologies if I did. Thanks, Lynda - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes. I just sprayed my little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it makes a difference for the fleas. I don't want to use chemicals if I don't have to. I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either. Have you heard that? But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade where I had sprayed the nematodes. Like I said in that other e-mail, the DE looks like flour. So now my whole yard is covered with this white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up. Either that or it looks like a cocaine plant exploded. How often do you guys spray the nematodes? I heard twice a year would be good enough. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400 From
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Too bad we don't live close, I would split it with you! Besides, I don't think I would have killed you, maybe just threatened too, lol! Yeah, I love my baby Sugar!! We are inseparable! Take Care~ L - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Glad you asked too!!! Hate to be responsible for killing your cats. You'd probably come find me and kill me because I know you love your baby Sugar. The food grade can sometimes be bought from a local feed store because they also give it to cows and horses. I got a 50 lb bag for $39.95 and I have no idea how I'll ever use it all up. Even after spreading it in my yard I've got a ton left. The feed store didn't have any smaller bags though, but it doesn't go bad so I'll have plenty to use next year too. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:21:35 -0500 From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor ok, thanksso glad I asked! Whew!! - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor It's the food grade version of the diatomaceous earth. It's safe as long as you get the food grade. The kind you put in your swimming pool is very toxic. The brand name I got was Perma-Guard I think. You can probably google it but I'm sure if you google just diatomaceous earth you'll get lots of info about the food grade. The kind you put in your pool has been somewhat altered which is what makes it toxic. Lots of people actually take a small amount of the food grade daily like you would a supplement. Even some people said they put it in their pet's food because it acts as a dewormer. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:43:02 -0500 From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Is the diatomaceous earth product you are talking about the same as what we have to put in our pool? Just wondering. Did I miss something along the way? My apologies if I did. Thanks, Lynda - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes. I just sprayed my little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it makes a difference for the fleas. I don't want to use chemicals if I don't have to. I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either. Have you heard that? But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade where I had sprayed the nematodes. Like I said in that other e-mail, the DE looks like flour. So now my whole yard is covered with this white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up. Either that or it looks like a cocaine plant exploded. How often do you guys spray the nematodes? I heard twice a year would be good enough. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400 From: at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a few years ago. Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the house and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way that I could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive. That's why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house, around the cat enclosures - it's worked so far. Rain does affect it to some degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not just before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced if it happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat
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Please know that I got fleas in my home a number of years ago and blamed my indoor/outdoor feral cat who was in the process of taking my life over. One night I came in from work in an area that was roach infested and saw fleas jumping off of my uniform. Fleas don't seem to bite me so I didn't realize that it wasn't Ebony that was infecting our homeit was me. On Jun 1, 2011, at 10:45 AM, Natalie wrote: I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight, pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with poisons like flea stuff, ever. My vet really has a strong dislike of Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than Zodiak. But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only when it's The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even though she is treated with frontline. However, one can also bring a flea inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the making. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Even if you have indoor-only cats, they can get fleas. A vet once told me, If a squirrel runs through your yard, you can have a flea infestation in the house. True, dat. My college roommate and I had three indoor cats, and one summer they all became so infested we had to bomb the house... Twice. (Interesting side-note: a flea can't live/reproduce off human blood) I have 12 cats and use Revolution on them. I don't put it on all of them at once- I stagger it and put it on two this week, two next week, etc. That seems to keep the fleas at bay. I'd also like to address Natalie's vet- I used to work for a vet (and at an animal shelter) and have seen numerous cats go into seizures and die from Frontline and Advantage, but never Revolution. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, I've just never seen or heard of it (and I know a lot of Crazy Cat People! haha). -Original Message- From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I'm not quite sure what Advantage does - you could look up each product and see their specifications. I just sent some suggestions to group; some we have used and are using, and some that I am considering, although what we have right now really works well on all the cats and the doggie. Although our cats don't go outside, they use the outdoor enclosures, thereby possible being exposed to fleas. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Ticks are the worst near wooded areas and in the woods. They are in tall weeds, and shrubs. We have lots of deer and deer ticks, the smaller ticks carry lyme disease. It even the nymph stage can tramsmit lyme. The deer population has exploded here and so have the ticks. Last year the cats would get in a nest of then and be covered with the small nymph stage. They would engorge and I would have hundreds crawling on my bed. I uses a lint roller and duct tape to get them up, but what a pain. They are not as bad this year but I started using the Frontline earlier. Last year I had to rush out and get it where I could. I did not get the cheapest price, but I still bought the dog size. As for Revolution I was not going to go there but I did not have a problem with it. I have heard it is safer then the other fles controls, because it works in a different way. I am not doubting what your vet says. Poison is poison. Sometimes a cat will lose hair where it is applied and it says that. I did have this happen with one of my FeLV cats. He was the cat who probably had Feline infectious anemia which is transmitted by fleas so for him better to make sure there are no fleas it only takes one flea to infect a cat, and a feline leukemia postive cat cannot fight off the infection. I have not used the nematodes but I have been interested in doing so. I do not have a lawn and fleas tend to live in grassy areas. They just feed on our pets. Sally ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all day yesterday cleaning combing cats to get rid of fleas they just had Advantage 2 weeks ago! Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw because the fleas were still crawling. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper. I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house. On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote: I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all day yesterday cleaning combing cats to get rid of fleas they just had Advantage 2 weeks ago! Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw because the fleas were still crawling. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper. I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I wouldn't put Sevin Dust on my plants. There's no way I would put it on my cats. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 5/31/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:29 PM Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house. On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote: I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all day yesterday cleaning combing cats to get rid of fleas they just had Advantage 2 weeks ago! Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw because the fleas were still crawling. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper. I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I have never heard of it, but what I have just read on several sites, Sevin powder sounds very dangerous and is definitely poisonous! Diatomaceous earth is not, it's just an irritant when inhaled. One can also use the food grade diatomaceous earth to control worms in cats by mixing it into the food once in a while. How to Kill Fleas With Sevin Killing flea populations is easy with Sevin Dust. This product works on a variety of insects and is very effective in controlling fleas. The active ingredient in Sevin Dust is carbaryl, an insecticide that kills over one hundred insect species. Sevin Dust can be sprinkled in the yard on your lawn, and also on fruit and vegetable bearing trees and plants as well as shade trees, bushes and ornamental type plants. Some people put Sevin Dust on window sills to keep fleas from coming inside their homes. Sevin Dust is a highly poisonous product so care must be taken when handling it. It is not recommended that you use Sevin Dust on your pets, even though some people do. Difficulty:EasyInstructions Things You'll Need Sevin Dust Gloves Mask Goggles Shaker bottle 1 Read the instructions and warnings on the product packaging. Sevin Dust is a poison. While it has been approved for use, you do not want the dust on your skin or in your eyes. More importantly, it is easy to inhale Sevin Dust as the powder is very fine. Wear a mask while working with this product. 2 Decide what areas you want to treat. Because Sevin Dust is so versatile, you can sprinkle it anywhere in your yard. The caution is that Sevin Dust is a wide spectrum insecticide, meaning it kills many different types of insects. While you may not like fleas in your yard, other insects are beneficial. Insects are killed when they ingest it, so put Sevin only in the places where you know the fleas are, and out of places that beneficial insects such as lady bugs inhabit. 3 Sprinkle Sevin Dust on the areas you wish to treat. Put it into your shaker bottle. Now shake the Sevin Dust on the areas you want treated. If you have fleas coming into your home, treat the perimeter of your home by sprinkling Sevin Dust where your home's foundation and ground meet. Place Sevin Dust at the base of any doorways, being careful not to get it inside the door frame. Lastly, sprinkle Sevin Dust on your lawn. 4 Wash your hands thoroughly with warm water and soap when you are finished. Also discard your mask, or if it is plastic, rinse it off. Change clothes and put your used clothing into the washing machine. Tips Warnings Use a container that has a shaker on top. The product is very fine, like talcum powder, so a shaker enables you to put Sevin Dust exactly where it is needed. Sevin Dust is a poison. Use with caution and be careful not to inhale the dust. If by accident you ingest Sevin Dust or get it in your eyes, contact a physician immediately. Read more: How to Kill Fleas With Sevin | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_4449090_kill-fleas-sevin.html#ixzz1Nxgaamtd -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house. On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote: I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all day yesterday cleaning combing cats to get rid of fleas they just had Advantage 2 weeks ago! Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw because the fleas were still crawling. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper. I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing
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I'm not quite sure what Advantage does - you could look up each product and see their specifications. I just sent some suggestions to group; some we have used and are using, and some that I am considering, although what we have right now really works well on all the cats and the doggie. Although our cats don't go outside, they use the outdoor enclosures, thereby possible being exposed to fleas. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all day yesterday cleaning combing cats to get rid of fleas they just had Advantage 2 weeks ago! Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw because the fleas were still crawling. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armorcan look up each of the products and read their specifications. To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper. I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I've always had great luck with Revolution, if you need something new. It's not cheap, but I think it is worth the price (about $15 per cat). I only have two cats, so it isn't bad for me. I have a friend with multiple cats and she gets a dog sized dose of FrontLine and splits it weight-wise between the cats, apparently it's the same stuff. I've also heard very good things about diatomaceous earth. I'm actually about to use it on my yard because of the chiggers and mosquitos. On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: I wouldn't put Sevin Dust on my plants. There's no way I would put it on my cats. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/31/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:29 PM Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house. On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote: I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all day yesterday cleaning combing cats to get rid of fleas they just had Advantage 2 weeks ago! Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw because the fleas were still crawling. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper. I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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On the same sort of subject: I had a feral contract babesiosis (I think) from a tick in December. It was a budget breaker. Luckily, Red recovered. He spent a lot of time at the vets' and a lot more confined but looks wonderful. Ticks are all over the place and I am getting one or two off of me daily. The ferals can't be treated individually. Any ideas would be appreciated. On May 31, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Natalie wrote: I have never heard of it, but what I have just read on several sites, Sevin powder sounds very dangerous and is definitely poisonous! Diatomaceous earth is not, it's just an irritant when inhaled. One can also use the food grade diatomaceous earth to control worms in cats by mixing it into the food once in a while. How to Kill Fleas With Sevin Killing flea populations is easy with Sevin Dust. This product works on a variety of insects and is very effective in controlling fleas. The active ingredient in Sevin Dust is carbaryl, an insecticide that kills over one hundred insect species. Sevin Dust can be sprinkled in the yard on your lawn, and also on fruit and vegetable bearing trees and plants as well as shade trees, bushes and ornamental type plants. Some people put Sevin Dust on window sills to keep fleas from coming inside their homes. Sevin Dust is a highly poisonous product so care must be taken when handling it. It is not recommended that you use Sevin Dust on your pets, even though some people do. Difficulty:EasyInstructions Things You'll Need Sevin Dust Gloves Mask Goggles Shaker bottle 1 Read the instructions and warnings on the product packaging. Sevin Dust is a poison. While it has been approved for use, you do not want the dust on your skin or in your eyes. More importantly, it is easy to inhale Sevin Dust as the powder is very fine. Wear a mask while working with this product. 2 Decide what areas you want to treat. Because Sevin Dust is so versatile, you can sprinkle it anywhere in your yard. The caution is that Sevin Dust is a wide spectrum insecticide, meaning it kills many different types of insects. While you may not like fleas in your yard, other insects are beneficial. Insects are killed when they ingest it, so put Sevin only in the places where you know the fleas are, and out of places that beneficial insects such as lady bugs inhabit. 3 Sprinkle Sevin Dust on the areas you wish to treat. Put it into your shaker bottle. Now shake the Sevin Dust on the areas you want treated. If you have fleas coming into your home, treat the perimeter of your home by sprinkling Sevin Dust where your home's foundation and ground meet. Place Sevin Dust at the base of any doorways, being careful not to get it inside the door frame. Lastly, sprinkle Sevin Dust on your lawn. 4 Wash your hands thoroughly with warm water and soap when you are finished. Also discard your mask, or if it is plastic, rinse it off. Change clothes and put your used clothing into the washing machine. Tips Warnings Use a container that has a shaker on top. The product is very fine, like talcum powder, so a shaker enables you to put Sevin Dust exactly where it is needed. Sevin Dust is a poison. Use with caution and be careful not to inhale the dust. If by accident you ingest Sevin Dust or get it in your eyes, contact a physician immediately. Read more: How to Kill Fleas With Sevin | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_4449090_kill-fleas-sevin.html#ixzz1Nxgaamtd -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house. On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote: I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all day yesterday cleaning combing cats to get rid of fleas they just had Advantage 2 weeks ago! Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw because the fleas were still crawling. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper. I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http
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Ticks have been horrible this year, I'll do a little research to see if there are any solutions. On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:21 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: On the same sort of subject: I had a feral contract babesiosis (I think) from a tick in December. It was a budget breaker. Luckily, Red recovered. He spent a lot of time at the vets' and a lot more confined but looks wonderful. Ticks are all over the place and I am getting one or two off of me daily. The ferals can't be treated individually. Any ideas would be appreciated. On May 31, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Natalie wrote: I have never heard of it, but what I have just read on several sites, Sevin powder sounds very dangerous and is definitely poisonous! Diatomaceous earth is not, it's just an irritant when inhaled. One can also use the food grade diatomaceous earth to control worms in cats by mixing it into the food once in a while. How to Kill Fleas With Sevin Killing flea populations is easy with Sevin Dust. This product works on a variety of insects and is very effective in controlling fleas. The active ingredient in Sevin Dust is carbaryl, an insecticide that kills over one hundred insect species. Sevin Dust can be sprinkled in the yard on your lawn, and also on fruit and vegetable bearing trees and plants as well as shade trees, bushes and ornamental type plants. Some people put Sevin Dust on window sills to keep fleas from coming inside their homes. Sevin Dust is a highly poisonous product so care must be taken when handling it. It is not recommended that you use Sevin Dust on your pets, even though some people do. Difficulty:EasyInstructions Things You'll Need Sevin Dust Gloves Mask Goggles Shaker bottle 1 Read the instructions and warnings on the product packaging. Sevin Dust is a poison. While it has been approved for use, you do not want the dust on your skin or in your eyes. More importantly, it is easy to inhale Sevin Dust as the powder is very fine. Wear a mask while working with this product. 2 Decide what areas you want to treat. Because Sevin Dust is so versatile, you can sprinkle it anywhere in your yard. The caution is that Sevin Dust is a wide spectrum insecticide, meaning it kills many different types of insects. While you may not like fleas in your yard, other insects are beneficial. Insects are killed when they ingest it, so put Sevin only in the places where you know the fleas are, and out of places that beneficial insects such as lady bugs inhabit. 3 Sprinkle Sevin Dust on the areas you wish to treat. Put it into your shaker bottle. Now shake the Sevin Dust on the areas you want treated. If you have fleas coming into your home, treat the perimeter of your home by sprinkling Sevin Dust where your home's foundation and ground meet. Place Sevin Dust at the base of any doorways, being careful not to get it inside the door frame. Lastly, sprinkle Sevin Dust on your lawn. 4 Wash your hands thoroughly with warm water and soap when you are finished. Also discard your mask, or if it is plastic, rinse it off. Change clothes and put your used clothing into the washing machine. Tips Warnings Use a container that has a shaker on top. The product is very fine, like talcum powder, so a shaker enables you to put Sevin Dust exactly where it is needed. Sevin Dust is a poison. Use with caution and be careful not to inhale the dust. If by accident you ingest Sevin Dust or get it in your eyes, contact a physician immediately. Read more: How to Kill Fleas With Sevin | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_4449090_kill-fleas-sevin.html#ixzz1Nxgaamtd -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house. On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote: I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all day yesterday cleaning combing cats to get rid of fleas they just had Advantage 2 weeks ago! Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw because the fleas were still crawling. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper. I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you have
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Here are some testimonials on Diatomaceous Earth: *http://www.earthworkshealth.com/organic-pest-control-testimonials.php* ** Apparently, it works on any crawling insect, including ticks. I can't wait to use it in my yard!!! On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.comwrote: Ticks have been horrible this year, I'll do a little research to see if there are any solutions. On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:21 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: On the same sort of subject: I had a feral contract babesiosis (I think) from a tick in December. It was a budget breaker. Luckily, Red recovered. He spent a lot of time at the vets' and a lot more confined but looks wonderful. Ticks are all over the place and I am getting one or two off of me daily. The ferals can't be treated individually. Any ideas would be appreciated. On May 31, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Natalie wrote: I have never heard of it, but what I have just read on several sites, Sevin powder sounds very dangerous and is definitely poisonous! Diatomaceous earth is not, it's just an irritant when inhaled. One can also use the food grade diatomaceous earth to control worms in cats by mixing it into the food once in a while. How to Kill Fleas With Sevin Killing flea populations is easy with Sevin Dust. This product works on a variety of insects and is very effective in controlling fleas. The active ingredient in Sevin Dust is carbaryl, an insecticide that kills over one hundred insect species. Sevin Dust can be sprinkled in the yard on your lawn, and also on fruit and vegetable bearing trees and plants as well as shade trees, bushes and ornamental type plants. Some people put Sevin Dust on window sills to keep fleas from coming inside their homes. Sevin Dust is a highly poisonous product so care must be taken when handling it. It is not recommended that you use Sevin Dust on your pets, even though some people do. Difficulty:EasyInstructions Things You'll Need Sevin Dust Gloves Mask Goggles Shaker bottle 1 Read the instructions and warnings on the product packaging. Sevin Dust is a poison. While it has been approved for use, you do not want the dust on your skin or in your eyes. More importantly, it is easy to inhale Sevin Dust as the powder is very fine. Wear a mask while working with this product. 2 Decide what areas you want to treat. Because Sevin Dust is so versatile, you can sprinkle it anywhere in your yard. The caution is that Sevin Dust is a wide spectrum insecticide, meaning it kills many different types of insects. While you may not like fleas in your yard, other insects are beneficial. Insects are killed when they ingest it, so put Sevin only in the places where you know the fleas are, and out of places that beneficial insects such as lady bugs inhabit. 3 Sprinkle Sevin Dust on the areas you wish to treat. Put it into your shaker bottle. Now shake the Sevin Dust on the areas you want treated. If you have fleas coming into your home, treat the perimeter of your home by sprinkling Sevin Dust where your home's foundation and ground meet. Place Sevin Dust at the base of any doorways, being careful not to get it inside the door frame. Lastly, sprinkle Sevin Dust on your lawn. 4 Wash your hands thoroughly with warm water and soap when you are finished. Also discard your mask, or if it is plastic, rinse it off. Change clothes and put your used clothing into the washing machine. Tips Warnings Use a container that has a shaker on top. The product is very fine, like talcum powder, so a shaker enables you to put Sevin Dust exactly where it is needed. Sevin Dust is a poison. Use with caution and be careful not to inhale the dust. If by accident you ingest Sevin Dust or get it in your eyes, contact a physician immediately. Read more: How to Kill Fleas With Sevin | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_4449090_kill-fleas-sevin.html#ixzz1Nxgaamtd -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house. On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote: I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all day yesterday cleaning combing cats to get rid of fleas they just had Advantage 2 weeks ago! Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw because the fleas were still crawling. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May
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I get the Large dog size Advantage split it for my cats. I have done this for years it's worked great, but doesn't seem to work any more. I will try the revolution. I do have 2 cats of my own, 4 foster cats, one 65 lb dog, so it gets expensive. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote: From: Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 4:17 PM I've always had great luck with Revolution, if you need something new. It's not cheap, but I think it is worth the price (about $15 per cat). I only have two cats, so it isn't bad for me. I have a friend with multiple cats and she gets a dog sized dose of FrontLine and splits it weight-wise between the cats, apparently it's the same stuff. I've also heard very good things about diatomaceous earth. I'm actually about to use it on my yard because of the chiggers and mosquitos. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Are you sure it's the same stuff for cats and dogs? I have never heard of splitting it - could be bad! Have you compared the ingredients and their amounts? My vet refuses to do revolution - he says it's dangerous because there have been many incidents of cats convulsing - too many things in it all at one time! Too bad, it's a Pfizer product! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor I've always had great luck with Revolution, if you need something new. It's not cheap, but I think it is worth the price (about $15 per cat). I only have two cats, so it isn't bad for me. I have a friend with multiple cats and she gets a dog sized dose of FrontLine and splits it weight-wise between the cats, apparently it's the same stuff. I've also heard very good things about diatomaceous earth. I'm actually about to use it on my yard because of the chiggers and mosquitos. On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: I wouldn't put Sevin Dust on my plants. There's no way I would put it on my cats. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/31/11, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:29 PM Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house. On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote: I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all day yesterday cleaning combing cats to get rid of fleas they just had Advantage 2 weeks ago! Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw because the fleas were still crawling. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper. I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me know. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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We have our property sprayed for ticks and have no problems, so far, knock on wood! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Ticks have been horrible this year, I'll do a little research to see if there are any solutions. On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:21 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: On the same sort of subject: I had a feral contract babesiosis (I think) from a tick in December. It was a budget breaker. Luckily, Red recovered. He spent a lot of time at the vets' and a lot more confined but looks wonderful. Ticks are all over the place and I am getting one or two off of me daily. The ferals can't be treated individually. Any ideas would be appreciated. On May 31, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Natalie wrote: I have never heard of it, but what I have just read on several sites, Sevin powder sounds very dangerous and is definitely poisonous! Diatomaceous earth is not, it's just an irritant when inhaled. One can also use the food grade diatomaceous earth to control worms in cats by mixing it into the food once in a while. How to Kill Fleas With Sevin Killing flea populations is easy with Sevin Dust. This product works on a variety of insects and is very effective in controlling fleas. The active ingredient in Sevin Dust is carbaryl, an insecticide that kills over one hundred insect species. Sevin Dust can be sprinkled in the yard on your lawn, and also on fruit and vegetable bearing trees and plants as well as shade trees, bushes and ornamental type plants. Some people put Sevin Dust on window sills to keep fleas from coming inside their homes. Sevin Dust is a highly poisonous product so care must be taken when handling it. It is not recommended that you use Sevin Dust on your pets, even though some people do. Difficulty:EasyInstructions Things You'll Need Sevin Dust Gloves Mask Goggles Shaker bottle 1 Read the instructions and warnings on the product packaging. Sevin Dust is a poison. While it has been approved for use, you do not want the dust on your skin or in your eyes. More importantly, it is easy to inhale Sevin Dust as the powder is very fine. Wear a mask while working with this product. 2 Decide what areas you want to treat. Because Sevin Dust is so versatile, you can sprinkle it anywhere in your yard. The caution is that Sevin Dust is a wide spectrum insecticide, meaning it kills many different types of insects. While you may not like fleas in your yard, other insects are beneficial. Insects are killed when they ingest it, so put Sevin only in the places where you know the fleas are, and out of places that beneficial insects such as lady bugs inhabit. 3 Sprinkle Sevin Dust on the areas you wish to treat. Put it into your shaker bottle. Now shake the Sevin Dust on the areas you want treated. If you have fleas coming into your home, treat the perimeter of your home by sprinkling Sevin Dust where your home's foundation and ground meet. Place Sevin Dust at the base of any doorways, being careful not to get it inside the door frame. Lastly, sprinkle Sevin Dust on your lawn. 4 Wash your hands thoroughly with warm water and soap when you are finished. Also discard your mask, or if it is plastic, rinse it off. Change clothes and put your used clothing into the washing machine. Tips Warnings Use a container that has a shaker on top. The product is very fine, like talcum powder, so a shaker enables you to put Sevin Dust exactly where it is needed. Sevin Dust is a poison. Use with caution and be careful not to inhale the dust. If by accident you ingest Sevin Dust or get it in your eyes, contact a physician immediately. Read more: How to Kill Fleas With Sevin | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_4449090_kill-fleas-sevin.html#ixzz1Nxgaamtd -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house. On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote: I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all day yesterday cleaning combing cats to get rid of fleas they just had Advantage 2 weeks ago! Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw because the fleas were still crawling. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Sprayed with what? I live on a farm and can't do it all but can do the area used. Same with the area of the ferals. On May 31, 2011, at 4:54 PM, Natalie wrote: We have our property sprayed for ticks and have no problems, so far, knock on wood! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Ticks have been horrible this year, I'll do a little research to see if there are any solutions. On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:21 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: On the same sort of subject: I had a feral contract babesiosis (I think) from a tick in December. It was a budget breaker. Luckily, Red recovered. He spent a lot of time at the vets' and a lot more confined but looks wonderful. Ticks are all over the place and I am getting one or two off of me daily. The ferals can't be treated individually. Any ideas would be appreciated. On May 31, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Natalie wrote: I have never heard of it, but what I have just read on several sites, Sevin powder sounds very dangerous and is definitely poisonous! Diatomaceous earth is not, it's just an irritant when inhaled. One can also use the food grade diatomaceous earth to control worms in cats by mixing it into the food once in a while. How to Kill Fleas With Sevin Killing flea populations is easy with Sevin Dust. This product works on a variety of insects and is very effective in controlling fleas. The active ingredient in Sevin Dust is carbaryl, an insecticide that kills over one hundred insect species. Sevin Dust can be sprinkled in the yard on your lawn, and also on fruit and vegetable bearing trees and plants as well as shade trees, bushes and ornamental type plants. Some people put Sevin Dust on window sills to keep fleas from coming inside their homes. Sevin Dust is a highly poisonous product so care must be taken when handling it. It is not recommended that you use Sevin Dust on your pets, even though some people do. Difficulty:EasyInstructions Things You'll Need Sevin Dust Gloves Mask Goggles Shaker bottle 1 Read the instructions and warnings on the product packaging. Sevin Dust is a poison. While it has been approved for use, you do not want the dust on your skin or in your eyes. More importantly, it is easy to inhale Sevin Dust as the powder is very fine. Wear a mask while working with this product. 2 Decide what areas you want to treat. Because Sevin Dust is so versatile, you can sprinkle it anywhere in your yard. The caution is that Sevin Dust is a wide spectrum insecticide, meaning it kills many different types of insects. While you may not like fleas in your yard, other insects are beneficial. Insects are killed when they ingest it, so put Sevin only in the places where you know the fleas are, and out of places that beneficial insects such as lady bugs inhabit. 3 Sprinkle Sevin Dust on the areas you wish to treat. Put it into your shaker bottle. Now shake the Sevin Dust on the areas you want treated. If you have fleas coming into your home, treat the perimeter of your home by sprinkling Sevin Dust where your home's foundation and ground meet. Place Sevin Dust at the base of any doorways, being careful not to get it inside the door frame. Lastly, sprinkle Sevin Dust on your lawn. 4 Wash your hands thoroughly with warm water and soap when you are finished. Also discard your mask, or if it is plastic, rinse it off. Change clothes and put your used clothing into the washing machine. Tips Warnings Use a container that has a shaker on top. The product is very fine, like talcum powder, so a shaker enables you to put Sevin Dust exactly where it is needed. Sevin Dust is a poison. Use with caution and be careful not to inhale the dust. If by accident you ingest Sevin Dust or get it in your eyes, contact a physician immediately. Read more: How to Kill Fleas With Sevin | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_4449090_kill-fleas-sevin.html#ixzz1Nxgaamtd -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house. On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote: I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all day yesterday cleaning combing cats to get rid of fleas they just had Advantage 2 weeks ago! Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw because the fleas were still crawling. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/ --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie
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I don't know what it is, I can ask the tree an...it's tickicide, I guess. He does it around the house and perimeter. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 6:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Sprayed with what? I live on a farm and can't do it all but can do the area used. Same with the area of the ferals. On May 31, 2011, at 4:54 PM, Natalie wrote: We have our property sprayed for ticks and have no problems, so far, knock on wood! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Ticks have been horrible this year, I'll do a little research to see if there are any solutions. On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:21 PM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: On the same sort of subject: I had a feral contract babesiosis (I think) from a tick in December. It was a budget breaker. Luckily, Red recovered. He spent a lot of time at the vets' and a lot more confined but looks wonderful. Ticks are all over the place and I am getting one or two off of me daily. The ferals can't be treated individually. Any ideas would be appreciated. On May 31, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Natalie wrote: I have never heard of it, but what I have just read on several sites, Sevin powder sounds very dangerous and is definitely poisonous! Diatomaceous earth is not, it's just an irritant when inhaled. One can also use the food grade diatomaceous earth to control worms in cats by mixing it into the food once in a while. How to Kill Fleas With Sevin Killing flea populations is easy with Sevin Dust. This product works on a variety of insects and is very effective in controlling fleas. The active ingredient in Sevin Dust is carbaryl, an insecticide that kills over one hundred insect species. Sevin Dust can be sprinkled in the yard on your lawn, and also on fruit and vegetable bearing trees and plants as well as shade trees, bushes and ornamental type plants. Some people put Sevin Dust on window sills to keep fleas from coming inside their homes. Sevin Dust is a highly poisonous product so care must be taken when handling it. It is not recommended that you use Sevin Dust on your pets, even though some people do. Difficulty:EasyInstructions Things You'll Need Sevin Dust Gloves Mask Goggles Shaker bottle 1 Read the instructions and warnings on the product packaging. Sevin Dust is a poison. While it has been approved for use, you do not want the dust on your skin or in your eyes. More importantly, it is easy to inhale Sevin Dust as the powder is very fine. Wear a mask while working with this product. 2 Decide what areas you want to treat. Because Sevin Dust is so versatile, you can sprinkle it anywhere in your yard. The caution is that Sevin Dust is a wide spectrum insecticide, meaning it kills many different types of insects. While you may not like fleas in your yard, other insects are beneficial. Insects are killed when they ingest it, so put Sevin only in the places where you know the fleas are, and out of places that beneficial insects such as lady bugs inhabit. 3 Sprinkle Sevin Dust on the areas you wish to treat. Put it into your shaker bottle. Now shake the Sevin Dust on the areas you want treated. If you have fleas coming into your home, treat the perimeter of your home by sprinkling Sevin Dust where your home's foundation and ground meet. Place Sevin Dust at the base of any doorways, being careful not to get it inside the door frame. Lastly, sprinkle Sevin Dust on your lawn. 4 Wash your hands thoroughly with warm water and soap when you are finished. Also discard your mask, or if it is plastic, rinse it off. Change clothes and put your used clothing into the washing machine. Tips Warnings Use a container that has a shaker on top. The product is very fine, like talcum powder, so a shaker enables you to put Sevin Dust exactly where it is needed. Sevin Dust is a poison. Use with caution and be careful not to inhale the dust. If by accident you ingest Sevin Dust or get it in your eyes, contact a physician immediately. Read more: How to Kill Fleas With Sevin | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_4449090_kill-fleas-sevin.html#ixzz1Nxgaamtd -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house. On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote: I need
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I have friends who split doses of various tick/flea stuff regularly. They say they get a more precise dose given the range on the pre- measured packages. I don't know. I can't get either on the ferals and they really need something. My cats are basically indoor (carriage rides and unauthorized walk-abouts) and the dog is as indoor as a dog can be and still have fun. On May 31, 2011, at 8:32 PM, Maureen Olvey wrote: Thanks Sally. That is very helpful info. I didn't know you could split up Advantage. Awesome, I'll give it a shot too. If I didn't have a lot of cats I wouldn't do the splitting up thing. I would feel safer just buying the pre-measured doses, I always did it that way when I had just two dogs, but now I've got so many cats, it's my foster cats and my own cats that were actually fosters at one time that never got adopted, that I'd go broke just on flea stuff if not for being able to split the stuff up. A lady at the vet's office did the breakdown for me so I felt better about it since she'd been doing it for a while. Are ticks mostly around trees and stuff? I don't have trees but a few shrubs and I haven't had tick problems (knock on wood). Not at home anyway. Where I feed some ferals is in a wooded area and I always seem to bring a couple home with me every few weeks. Ticks that is. Brought home several dumped tame cats and kittens from there too! Thanks again for your comments. Maureen and her clowder of more than 10 cats. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 20:49:11 -0400 From: putty...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Chickens will eat ticks, but if a big farm it probably is not practical. I am not making any real recommendations,just commenting. I am in the horticulture field where chemicals are used for insect and disease control, it is always best to rotate products so you do not develop resistance to the chemical being used. An example would be using Frontline one month and next month use Advantage. You would not even have to be every month maybe use one for two months etc. Just a note about splitting it up They products are the same ingredients and are in the same concentration in both the dog and cat versions. Dosing in is done according to weight in dogs and cats. I am not a vet and I am not recommending anyone do this if they are not certain. Also cats are more sensitive to chemicals and some pesticides for use on dogs cannot be used on cats. Be safe not sorry. :-) Now I am not going to say Sevin is safe for use on pets but in the old days it is what the vet recommended for fleas and yes we used it on the cats. Also I did not use gloves or anything like that because it was considered very safe. You had to be careful not to get on flowering plants as it was deadly for bees. Fleas became resistant to it. We used 5% dust not the 10%. For plants I do not do much spraying because people we spray too much. The ticks have been bad the past two years. I really considered some chickens myself, but I worry about predators killing them. As for Pet Armor Plus, it sounds like the patent on Frontline has run out and that means we can get generics. I plan to buy it next time I need it but I do have Frontline I bought last year for the cats. I split it up with a syringe. I have 10 cats and get the big dog size, I have also have done that with Advantage and Revolution. My Two cents. Sally and her 10 kitties ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
