Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations, Harley, Bats
DOES IT HELP TO COMPLAIN TO YAHOO? Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Unfortunately, Yahoo mail is bundling all my mail on one subject and sending off thousand word bundles so that they crash into the group mailbox and overload it. That's why I'm writing separately without the thread. Fortunately, I have never had a cat display a bad reaction to the rabies vaccination even though it's given at the same time as spay/neuter surgery. However, consider that giving vaccinations does overload the immune system at least until the cat develops the required immunity. NEVER give anything but the rabies vaccination if the cat is going into surgery and spay/neuter is major surgery. Think hysterectomy and castration. In humans this would be major surgery. It really irks me when people seem to think it's fine to overload a cat or dog with a bunch of vaccinations at the same time that they are getting surgery and the vets go along with it gleefully because it means more money for them. FVRCP is OK for kittens but again, not at the time of spay/neuter surgery and not along with the rabies vaccination. And not if they are FeLv+ or FIV+. And for all you humans out there, the flu shot is less than useful in preventing you from catching flu. It's great for the manufacturers of the vaccine though. Made millions for them and it might protect against Asian Flu #1 but not against Asian Flu #2 and that's what the doctors tell you if you come back complaining that you got the flu anyway. Just keep sneezing cats away from your own brood and keep away from sneezing and coughing people during flu season. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
Marsha, The post I was responding to was about Veterinary treatment of un-vaccinated animals, not boarding. That was my focus. Still, that requirement for boarded animals to be vaccinated is not very effective, anyway. Most facilities allow the required vaccines to be given on intake, meaning that (unless they are long-term boarders) they will not develop any immunity before they leave the facility. Not very reassuring to me. But profitable for those providing the vaccines. But I don't board. I guess people who board their pets have researched the issues, and are comfortable with the procedures in place. Margo -Original Message- From: Marsha mar...@lynxe.com Sent: Aug 15, 2014 9:11 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6 Vets who have a boarding service will require vaccinations before boarding the animal, as will any boarding facility. Marsha On 8/15/2014 5:49 AM, Margo wrote: Really? I've never run into that, but maybe I just stayed away from them for other reasons. Sounds like they ae in it for the money. Because most of mine came from rescue situations, there vaccination status was unknown. I can't remember it ever being an issue when the cat needed help. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
Good point about giving vaccines on intake. It is not effective to protect other cats, or the ones being vaccinated. I have boarded at a veterinarian's office a few times in the past, when I had fewer cats. And once in the distant past at a pet store that had a boarding room (no dogs). I do not intend on ever boarding again, because it is just too stressful for cats, especially if the facility also boards dogs. The vet's office even gave my cats one of the exam rooms all for themselves. I checked in every day on my trip, and they told me verbally the cats were doing great, but I made them send pictures, and my cats looked very unhappy. Marsha On 8/16/2014 6:32 AM, Margo wrote: Marsha, The post I was responding to was about Veterinary treatment of un-vaccinated animals, not boarding. That was my focus. Still, that requirement for boarded animals to be vaccinated is not very effective, anyway. Most facilities allow the required vaccines to be given on intake, meaning that (unless they are long-term boarders) they will not develop any immunity before they leave the facility. Not very reassuring to me. But profitable for those providing the vaccines. But I don't board. I guess people who board their pets have researched the issues, and are comfortable with the procedures in place. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations
I have been vaccinating Harley for rabies because a bat got in the garage a couple years ago. The bat was not caught and tested. That is the only vaccine he gets, and when his FeLV progresses to an active form, I will not vaccinate him anymore. I skipped a year between vaccinations too. Marsha On 8/14/2014 12:22 PM, Kat Parker wrote: Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't so either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with being positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again, probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a positive cat? The law is ot going to be enforced in your home it's not a big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have that antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop antibodies. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
Almost all of you have suggested I not get the FVRCP vaccinations. so I won't. These kittens are indoors only and have no contact with AC. My rescues usually come from local people who dump them at my rescue shelter. Thanks so much to everyone who posted. Lorrie On 10-07, Beth wrote: Mine were not symptomatic at the time they got the FVRCP. They became symptomatic immediately afterward. If there is a huge risk of getting panleukopenis (sp?) You might want to take the risk - if you rescue a lot from AC. Otherwise it is another thing for their immune system to deal with. I don't give any of my cats FVRCP vax anymore since I stopped fostering except for the FeLVs. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
Yes, I know that but the dim wits who make the Animal Control laws in Texas refuse to recognize it. A titer costs a whole lot of $$$ for that reason and I'm not sure the authorities would even recognize it as sufficient. The vets make money on the vaccinations every year. Why should they stop a good cash cow (or cat)? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations Can you get a titer instead of vaxing for rabies each (three) year(s) or does your law not allow that? Also, I'm sure you know that 1-year and 3-year rabies vax are the same contents with different labels. And that experiments have shown the rabies vax lasts at least 7 years, if not for life. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: This is just an opinion stemming from a human experience with vaccinations. I almost died from the whooping cough vaccination when I was 9 years old. Again, when the Salk vaccine came out, my father, a physician gave me the anti-polio vaccination. Now, I do approve of polio vaccinations since it's such a dread disease and the vaccination did almost completely wipe it out in the USA. However, the vaccine contained an error and some of the virus was not killed. I got a mild case of polio and have had some minor nerve damage on my right side ever since. It doesn't improve with age, either. So I do NOT vaccinate my cats. Not with FeLv or FIV or anything but rabies (it's the law). I do have to vaccinate with the FVRCP vaccine when I know that one of my rescues will be going for adoption though. But I never vaccinate for leukemia. If you have kittens who need the FVRCP for adoption, then you do it. But if you are keeping them, I would advise not to do it. And try not to get them vaccinated at the time that you are getting the spay/neuter operation for a cat or dog. No medical doctor ever gives a human patient a vaccination before surgery. It's terribly dangerous and I really resent vets who do that to people's pets. However, sometimes you need to get the rabies shot at the time of s/n surgery because you are using a low cost clinic and you have a feral cat who can't be trapped twice. So you have to do both at the same time. But ferals who are outside don't really need any other vaccination once they are neutered/spayed.I also really resent the new FIV vaccination that turns negative cats positive on tests and jeopardizes their lives should they get lost and then tested by the person who finds them. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
Don't. My one got sick immediately after an FvRCP annual vaccination Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
Well, one reason is that a dead patient doesn't bring in money anymore. :-) You may want to look it up, but I've read that the number of polio cases actually went up after they started vaxing for it. Holisticat had some innovative ways to deal with mandatory rabies vaxes. You may want to Google their archives. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, I know that but the dim wits who make the Animal Control laws in Texas refuse to recognize it. A titer costs a whole lot of $$$ for that reason and I'm not sure the authorities would even recognize it as sufficient. The vets make money on the vaccinations every year. Why should they stop a good cash cow (or cat)? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! -- *From:* Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, October 7, 2012 12:58 AM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations Can you get a titer instead of vaxing for rabies each (three) year(s) or does your law not allow that? Also, I'm sure you know that 1-year and 3-year rabies vax are the same contents with different labels. And that experiments have shown the rabies vax lasts at least 7 years, if not for life. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: This is just an opinion stemming from a human experience with vaccinations. I almost died from the whooping cough vaccination when I was 9 years old. Again, when the Salk vaccine came out, my father, a physician gave me the anti-polio vaccination. Now, I do approve of polio vaccinations since it's such a dread disease and the vaccination did almost completely wipe it out in the USA. However, the vaccine contained an error and some of the virus was not killed. I got a mild case of polio and have had some minor nerve damage on my right side ever since. It doesn't improve with age, either. So I do NOT vaccinate my cats. Not with FeLv or FIV or anything but rabies (it's the law). I do have to vaccinate with the FVRCP vaccine when I know that one of my rescues will be going for adoption though. But I never vaccinate for leukemia. If you have kittens who need the FVRCP for adoption, then you do it. But if you are keeping them, I would advise not to do it. And try not to get them vaccinated at the time that you are getting the spay/neuter operation for a cat or dog. No medical doctor ever gives a human patient a vaccination before surgery. It's terribly dangerous and I really resent vets who do that to people's pets. However, sometimes you need to get the rabies shot at the time of s/n surgery because you are using a low cost clinic and you have a feral cat who can't be trapped twice. So you have to do both at the same time. But ferals who are outside don't really need any other vaccination once they are neutered/spayed.I also really resent the new FIV vaccination that turns negative cats positive on tests and jeopardizes their lives should they get lost and then tested by the person who finds them. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
It's not so much the individual vaccine as that they give them all at one time. Imagine getting zapped with 3 or 4 different illnesses at one time - flu, measles, mumps and chicken pox!! Your immune system goes into overdrive and then crashes because no one can fight all those infections at once. That's what is done to our cats when they get the FeLV, rabies and FVRCP vaccinations at one time on top of which they are undergoing surgery to remove their reproductive system. Whew! Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations Well, one reason is that a dead patient doesn't bring in money anymore. :-) You may want to look it up, but I've read that the number of polio cases actually went up after they started vaxing for it. Holisticat had some innovative ways to deal with mandatory rabies vaxes. You may want to Google their archives. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, I know that but the dim wits who make the Animal Control laws in Texas refuse to recognize it. A titer costs a whole lot of $$$ for that reason and I'm not sure the authorities would even recognize it as sufficient. The vets make money on the vaccinations every year. Why should they stop a good cash cow (or cat)? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations Can you get a titer instead of vaxing for rabies each (three) year(s) or does your law not allow that? Also, I'm sure you know that 1-year and 3-year rabies vax are the same contents with different labels. And that experiments have shown the rabies vax lasts at least 7 years, if not for life. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: This is just an opinion stemming from a human experience with vaccinations. I almost died from the whooping cough vaccination when I was 9 years old. Again, when the Salk vaccine came out, my father, a physician gave me the anti-polio vaccination. Now, I do approve of polio vaccinations since it's such a dread disease and the vaccination did almost completely wipe it out in the USA. However, the vaccine contained an error and some of the virus was not killed. I got a mild case of polio and have had some minor nerve damage on my right side ever since. It doesn't improve with age, either. So I do NOT vaccinate my cats. Not with FeLv or FIV or anything but rabies (it's the law). I do have to vaccinate with the FVRCP vaccine when I know that one of my rescues will be going for adoption though. But I never vaccinate for leukemia. If you have kittens who need the FVRCP for adoption, then you do it. But if you are keeping them, I would advise not to do it. And try not to get them vaccinated at the time that you are getting the spay/neuter operation for a cat or dog. No medical doctor ever gives a human patient a vaccination before surgery. It's terribly dangerous and I really resent vets who do that to people's pets. However, sometimes you need to get the rabies shot at the time of s/n surgery because you are using a low cost clinic and you have a feral cat who can't be trapped twice. So you have to do both at the same time. But ferals who are outside don't really need any other vaccination once they are neutered/spayed.I also really resent the new FIV vaccination that turns negative cats positive on tests and jeopardizes their lives should they get lost and then tested by the person who finds them. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
Again it really depends on the kitten. I've rescued 10 FeLV kittens. All had their rabies shot and initial series of FVRCP shots. All were asymptomatic at the time. None got sick from the vaccines. I eventually lost all of them to FeLV. They lived from 1 yr to 4 yrs. It is a decision each individual has to make. Mine got their rabies vax because it is required by law. They got the FVRCP series of 2 shots because I did not want to risk them getting distemper. There is no one rule that applies to all cats except to love them and give them the best food and care you can. It broke my heart to lose my FeLV babies but they brought me so much joy. I only hope I was able to give them 1/2 of what they gave me. Hugs to yours Sharyl From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations Don't. My one got sick immediately after an FvRCP annual vaccination Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
Many mothers (human mothers) are not vaccinating their children due to reactions such as you had. Both my daughters refuse to vaccinate their kids and one of my grandsons got Whooping Cough two years ago. The doctor didn't even recognize it because they see so little, if any, of these old childhood diseases now. As an older woman I immediately recognized the disease and my grandson did recover just fine. Lorrie On 10-06, Lee Evans wrote: This is just an opinion stemming from a human experience with vaccinations. I almost died from the whooping cough vaccination when I was 9 years old. Again, when the Salk vaccine came out, my father, a physician gave me the anti-polio vaccination. Now, I do approve of polio vaccinations since it's such a dread disease and the vaccination did almost completely wipe it out in the USA. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
I did not know the 1 year and 3 year rabies were the same. So the vet gives a new cat or kitten the first vaccination for rabies and then makes extra $$ by having you return for another vaccination in a year. On 10-06, Kathryn Hargreaves wrote: Also, I'm sure you know that 1-year and 3-year rabies vax are the same contents with different labels. Â And that experiments have shown the rabies vax lasts at least 7 years, if not for life. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
Mine were not symptomatic at the time they got the FVRCP. They became symptomatic immediately afterward. If there is a huge risk of getting panleukopenis (sp?) You might want to take the risk - if you rescue a lot from AC. Otherwise it is another thing for their immune system to deal with. I don't give any of my cats FVRCP vax anymore since I stopped fostering except fot the FeLVs. Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: Again it really depends on the kitten. I've rescued 10 FeLV kittens. All had their rabies shot and initial series of FVRCP shots. All were asymptomatic at the time. None got sick from the vaccines. I eventually lost all of them to FeLV. They lived from 1 yr to 4 yrs. It is a decision each individual has to make. Mine got their rabies vax because it is required by law. They got the FVRCP series of 2 shots because I did not want to risk them getting distemper. There is no one rule that applies to all cats except to love them and give them the best food and care you can. It broke my heart to lose my FeLV babies but they brought me so much joy. I only hope I was able to give them 1/2 of what they gave me. Hugs to yours Sharyl From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations Don't. My one got sick immediately after an FvRCP annual vaccination Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
Yep. On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I did not know the 1 year and 3 year rabies were the same. So the vet gives a new cat or kitten the first vaccination for rabies and then makes extra $$ by having you return for another vaccination in a year. On 10-06, Kathryn Hargreaves wrote: Also, I'm sure you know that 1-year and 3-year rabies vax are the same contents with different labels. Â And that experiments have shown the rabies vax lasts at least 7 years, if not for life. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
You can also just vax for Panleuk only. On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Mine were not symptomatic at the time they got the FVRCP. They became symptomatic immediately afterward. If there is a huge risk of getting panleukopenis (sp?) You might want to take the risk - if you rescue a lot from AC. Otherwise it is another thing for their immune system to deal with. I don't give any of my cats FVRCP vax anymore since I stopped fostering except fot the FeLVs. Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: Again it really depends on the kitten. I've rescued 10 FeLV kittens. All had their rabies shot and initial series of FVRCP shots. All were asymptomatic at the time. None got sick from the vaccines. I eventually lost all of them to FeLV. They lived from 1 yr to 4 yrs. It is a decision each individual has to make. Mine got their rabies vax because it is required by law. They got the FVRCP series of 2 shots because I did not want to risk them getting distemper. There is no one rule that applies to all cats except to love them and give them the best food and care you can. It broke my heart to lose my FeLV babies but they brought me so much joy. I only hope I was able to give them 1/2 of what they gave me. Hugs to yours Sharyl From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations Don't. My one got sick immediately after an FvRCP annual vaccination Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I might give them rabies simply because of law enforcement issues but you should be able to get a waiver for that. I don't vaccinate sick/ immune compromised animals. On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:52 AM, Lorrie wrote: What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank for this advice. Kitty, the little feral, I rescued us living in her bedroom with all her toys and things. She is due for her vaccinations and very soon to be spayed. I'm holding off on the vaccinations but she will get spayed soon. Keeping fingers crossed that when I retest her she is negative so she can play with my other two cats. Maryam Sent from my iPhone. On Oct 6, 2012, at 9:12, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: I might give them rabies simply because of law enforcement issues but you should be able to get a waiver for that. I don't vaccinate sick/immune compromised animals. On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:52 AM, Lorrie wrote: What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I wouldn't do it, and if by law, you have to give them rabies vaccines, try to get a waiver from your veterinarian. It's not good to bombard compromised immune systems with all those vaccines. I would say, maybe the initial series of FVRCP, which technically should protect them for life (not that they say though!). -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 6:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I wonder if you should try to get a tubal ligation instead, as a recent study indicates that longevity is tied to keeping the ovaries: http://www.gpmcf.org/respectovaries.html I'd avoid the vaxes, as the immune system is already wonked. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 5:40 AM, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: Thank for this advice. Kitty, the little feral, I rescued us living in her bedroom with all her toys and things. She is due for her vaccinations and very soon to be spayed. I'm holding off on the vaccinations but she will get spayed soon. Keeping fingers crossed that when I retest her she is negative so she can play with my other two cats. Maryam Sent from my iPhone. On Oct 6, 2012, at 9:12, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: I might give them rabies simply because of law enforcement issues but you should be able to get a waiver for that. I don't vaccinate sick/immune compromised animals. On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:52 AM, Lorrie wrote: What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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This is just an opinion stemming from a human experience with vaccinations. I almost died from the whooping cough vaccination when I was 9 years old. Again, when the Salk vaccine came out, my father, a physician gave me the anti-polio vaccination. Now, I do approve of polio vaccinations since it's such a dread disease and the vaccination did almost completely wipe it out in the USA. However, the vaccine contained an error and some of the virus was not killed. I got a mild case of polio and have had some minor nerve damage on my right side ever since. It doesn't improve with age, either. So I do NOT vaccinate my cats. Not with FeLv or FIV or anything but rabies (it's the law). I do have to vaccinate with the FVRCP vaccine when I know that one of my rescues will be going for adoption though. But I never vaccinate for leukemia. If you have kittens who need the FVRCP for adoption, then you do it. But if you are keeping them, I would advise not to do it. And try not to get them vaccinated at the time that you are getting the spay/neuter operation for a cat or dog. No medical doctor ever gives a human patient a vaccination before surgery. It's terribly dangerous and I really resent vets who do that to people's pets. However, sometimes you need to get the rabies shot at the time of s/n surgery because you are using a low cost clinic and you have a feral cat who can't be trapped twice. So you have to do both at the same time. But ferals who are outside don't really need any other vaccination once they are neutered/spayed.I also really resent the new FIV vaccination that turns negative cats positive on tests and jeopardizes their lives should they get lost and then tested by the person who finds them. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:52 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Tubal ligations are even dangerous in human females. They can open up, get infected, cause blockages, even lead to tubal pregnancies although I don't know exactly how that would happen. I worked in a medical office for 12 years and tubals never seemed to work as advertised. Most women complained of pain long afterwards, cramping, even bleeding. In addition, tubal ligation does nothing to protect from breast cancer. Cats are very prone to mammary cancer so spaying would be the best prevention for that terrible menace to cat health. One of my cats had been diagnosed as borderline diabetic. Since Cookie was going to be an indoor-only cat, the vet recommended leaving her intact, not spaying. She was an older cat, went into heat about 3 times in my house and then gave it up as a bad idea. But she still had her hormone glands intact. About 5 years after I took her in, I noticed that her belly fur was wet and clumpy and that her nipples had turned dark brown. Her appetite was also failing and she actually was allowing me to touch her, she was so weak. I took her to the vet. He diagnosed multiple tumors in her mammary glands. Hormones are NOT the fountain of youth for a cat. They do nothing for the immune system that good care, good food and good supplements can't do. In addition, tubal ligation would do nothing to relieve the cat from the distress of going into heat when breeding season comes around. That's very stressful especially when the cat is not going to be bred. Same with vasectomy for a male cat. You would have a howling, spraying cat pacing around the house or running out to bite and fight although he could not make a female pregnant. Sometimes vasectomies reverse themselves so the cat might end up being fertile after all. It happens in humans quite often. In cats, it still exposes them to the dangers of mating, including contracting FIV and FeLv. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations I wonder if you should try to get a tubal ligation instead, as a recent study indicates that longevity is tied to keeping the ovaries: http://www.gpmcf.org/respectovaries.html I'd avoid the vaxes, as the immune system is already wonked. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 5:40 AM, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: Thank for this advice. Kitty, the little feral, I rescued us living in her bedroom with all her toys and things. She is due for her vaccinations and very soon to be spayed. I'm holding off on the vaccinations but she will get spayed soon. Keeping fingers crossed that when I retest her she is negative so she can play with my other two cats. Maryam Sent from my iPhone. On Oct 6, 2012, at 9:12, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: I might give them rabies simply because of law enforcement issues but you should be able to get a waiver for that. I don't vaccinate sick/immune compromised animals. On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:52 AM, Lorrie wrote: What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http
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You can definitely get waiver for some medical issues or immunodeficiency. For rabies, if you can't get a waiver, insist on the purevax brand which is non-adjuvanted. It has less irritating ingredients, making it far less likely to cause cancer etc. kg On Saturday, October 6, 2012, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: I might give them rabies simply because of law enforcement issues but you should be able to get a waiver for that. I don't vaccinate sick/immune compromised animals. On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:52 AM, Lorrie wrote: What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___it costs more but would be very wise Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Also, if female cats continually go into heat but not bred they can develop a very dangerous condition. It's called pyrometra something or another. Long time ago since my friend's cat got it so I'm not positive about the name. But it causes a very serious infection and can kill them if not caught. Her cat had to have an emergency spay and the vet had to basically scrape her insides to clean out all the infection. Very painful for the cat. Cats are reproductively different than us so maybe that's why. They do not drop their egg until they are stimulated (sex). It may be that's why the male's penis has the barbs on it - to stimulate the female to drop the egg, thereby almost 100% guaranteeing fertilization. Yes, I read too much. Anyway, so if she's not getting booty then what happens to the egg? I don't remember what I read about that but I think that's part of why they can develop this condition/infection. Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT - Reply message - From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations Date: Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:05 pm Tubal ligations are even dangerous in human females. They can open up, get infected, cause blockages, even lead to tubal pregnancies although I don't know exactly how that would happen. I worked in a medical office for 12 years and tubals never seemed to work as advertised. Most women complained of pain long afterwards, cramping, even bleeding. In addition, tubal ligation does nothing to protect from breast cancer. Cats are very prone to mammary cancer so spaying would be the best prevention for that terrible menace to cat health. One of my cats had been diagnosed as borderline diabetic. Since Cookie was going to be an indoor-only cat, the vet recommended leaving her intact, not spaying. She was an older cat, went into heat about 3 times in my house and then gave it up as a bad idea. But she still had her hormone glands intact. About 5 years after I took her in, I noticed that her belly fur was wet and clumpy and that her nipples had turned dark brown. Her appetite was also failing and she actually was allowing me to touch her, she was so weak. I took her to the vet. He diagnosed multiple tumors in her mammary glands. Hormones are NOT the fountain of youth for a cat. They do nothing for the immune system that good care, good food and good supplements can't do. In addition, tubal ligation would do nothing to relieve the cat from the distress of going into heat when breeding season comes around. That's very stressful especially when the cat is not going to be bred. Same with vasectomy for a male cat. You would have a howling, spraying cat pacing around the house or running out to bite and fight although he could not make a female pregnant. Sometimes vasectomies reverse themselves so the cat might end up being fertile after all. It happens in humans quite often. In cats, it still exposes them to the dangers of mating, including contracting FIV and FeLv. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Can you get a titer instead of vaxing for rabies each (three) year(s) or does your law not allow that? Also, I'm sure you know that 1-year and 3-year rabies vax are the same contents with different labels. And that experiments have shown the rabies vax lasts at least 7 years, if not for life. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: This is just an opinion stemming from a human experience with vaccinations. I almost died from the whooping cough vaccination when I was 9 years old. Again, when the Salk vaccine came out, my father, a physician gave me the anti-polio vaccination. Now, I do approve of polio vaccinations since it's such a dread disease and the vaccination did almost completely wipe it out in the USA. However, the vaccine contained an error and some of the virus was not killed. I got a mild case of polio and have had some minor nerve damage on my right side ever since. It doesn't improve with age, either. So I do NOT vaccinate my cats. Not with FeLv or FIV or anything but rabies (it's the law). I do have to vaccinate with the FVRCP vaccine when I know that one of my rescues will be going for adoption though. But I never vaccinate for leukemia. If you have kittens who need the FVRCP for adoption, then you do it. But if you are keeping them, I would advise not to do it. And try not to get them vaccinated at the time that you are getting the spay/neuter operation for a cat or dog. No medical doctor ever gives a human patient a vaccination before surgery. It's terribly dangerous and I really resent vets who do that to people's pets. However, sometimes you need to get the rabies shot at the time of s/n surgery because you are using a low cost clinic and you have a feral cat who can't be trapped twice. So you have to do both at the same time. But ferals who are outside don't really need any other vaccination once they are neutered/spayed.I also really resent the new FIV vaccination that turns negative cats positive on tests and jeopardizes their lives should they get lost and then tested by the person who finds them. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My vet hates that vaccine - and the company that produces it is not very good or reliable, either! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations They should no better than to give an FIV shot. Once administered they will then always test positive for it whether they have it or not!! Idiots! - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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There's some group somewhere doing research on the rabies vaccination and they have found that kittens vaccinated still had immunity in their system four years later. That's with the normal one year vaccine. They suspect there's immunity up to seven years later. I told my vet one time that if they require an animal to be vaccinated to be seen so then they vaccinate them during surgery or the day of the appointment it was stupid because it takes time for the body to develop an immunity after the vaccination so the vaccination done that day was useless. It doesn't offer protection for the animal being seen or for animals at the clinic that day. sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC - Reply message - From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:31 am Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org That's just for the cash! That is so stupid and it shows what they really care about. Sent from my iPad On Aug 26, 2011, at 5:41 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: There are some really stupid vets out there. If you bring in a sick cat that doesn't have an up-to-date rabies vaccine, many will insist that they cannot treat a cat without one, and insist on vaccinating before treating the sick cat. My vet does NOT! I know of one veterinary hospital that will NOT treat any cat that has never been vaccinated! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I wish that states would accept a titer, and allow vaccinations accordingly. But I sup[pose [people may not want to pay the extra money for it. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of molvey...@hotmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 10:40 AM To: I wish that states would accept a titer, and allow vaccinations accordingly. But I sup[pose [people may not want to pay the extra money for it. Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations There's some group somewhere doing research on the rabies vaccination and they have found that kittens vaccinated still had immunity in their system four years later. That's with the normal one year vaccine. They suspect there's immunity up to seven years later. I told my vet one time that if they require an animal to be vaccinated to be seen so then they vaccinate them during surgery or the day of the appointment it was stupid because it takes time for the body to develop an immunity after the vaccination so the vaccination done that day was useless. It doesn't offer protection for the animal being seen or for animals at the clinic that day. sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC - Reply message - From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:31 am Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org That's just for the cash! That is so stupid and it shows what they really care about. Sent from my iPad On Aug 26, 2011, at 5:41 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: There are some really stupid vets out there. If you bring in a sick cat that doesn't have an up-to-date rabies vaccine, many will insist that they cannot treat a cat without one, and insist on vaccinating before treating the sick cat. My vet does NOT! I know of one veterinary hospital that will NOT treat any cat that has never been vaccinated! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Some do...at least to a degree. One vet I asked charges almost $250 for a rabies titer and it has to be repeated yearly. On Aug 27, 2011, at 10:43 AM, Natalie wrote: I wish that states would accept a titer, and allow vaccinations accordingly. But I sup[pose [people may not want to pay the extra money for it. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of molvey...@hotmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 10:40 AM To: I wish that states would accept a titer, and allow vaccinations accordingly. But I sup[pose [people may not want to pay the extra money for it. Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations There's some group somewhere doing research on the rabies vaccination and they have found that kittens vaccinated still had immunity in their system four years later. That's with the normal one year vaccine. They suspect there's immunity up to seven years later. I told my vet one time that if they require an animal to be vaccinated to be seen so then they vaccinate them during surgery or the day of the appointment it was stupid because it takes time for the body to develop an immunity after the vaccination so the vaccination done that day was useless. It doesn't offer protection for the animal being seen or for animals at the clinic that day. sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC - Reply message - From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:31 am Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org That's just for the cash! That is so stupid and it shows what they really care about. Sent from my iPad On Aug 26, 2011, at 5:41 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: There are some really stupid vets out there. If you bring in a sick cat that doesn't have an up-to-date rabies vaccine, many will insist that they cannot treat a cat without one, and insist on vaccinating before treating the sick cat. My vet does NOT! I know of one veterinary hospital that will NOT treat any cat that has never been vaccinated! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God- know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Mine feels the same way :0) - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations My vet hates that vaccine - and the company that produces it is not very good or reliable, either! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations They should no better than to give an FIV shot. Once administered they will then always test positive for it whether they have it or not!! Idiots! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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That's pretty much why I do... Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Me too, they don't need all that every year From: gbl...@aristotle.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:52:43 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations That's pretty much why I do... Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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There are some really stupid vets out there. If you bring in a sick cat that doesn't have an up-to-date rabies vaccine, many will insist that they cannot treat a cat without one, and insist on vaccinating before treating the sick cat. My vet does NOT! I know of one veterinary hospital that will NOT treat any cat that has never been vaccinated! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Unfortunately, since I am a rescue group, I have to keep at least the required by law rabies vaccines current. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations Me too, they don't need all that every year From: gbl...@aristotle.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:52:43 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations That's pretty much why I do... Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My vet gives the vaccin for rabies first and then we wait if surgery is needed Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Unfortunately, since I am a rescue group, I have to keep at least the required by law rabies vaccines current. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations Me too, they don't need all that every year From: gbl...@aristotle.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:52:43 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations That's pretty much why I do... Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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They should no better than to give an FIV shot. Once administered they will then always test positive for it whether they have it or not!! Idiots! - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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That's just for the cash! That is so stupid and it shows what they really care about. Sent from my iPad On Aug 26, 2011, at 5:41 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: There are some really stupid vets out there. If you bring in a sick cat that doesn't have an up-to-date rabies vaccine, many will insist that they cannot treat a cat without one, and insist on vaccinating before treating the sick cat. My vet does NOT! I know of one veterinary hospital that will NOT treat any cat that has never been vaccinated! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hey Laurie- have you ever considered putting up bat houses? That may keep them out of the house :-) http://www.batconservation.org/content/Bathouseimportance.html -Original Message- From: Laurieskatz [mailto:lauriesk...@mchsi.com] Sent: Thu 3/4/2010 1:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations Thank-you to all who responded. GREAT help! I loved the KY vet link and the thoughts about a holistic remedy to be used if vaccinating. I talked to my vet and he does have the purevax. He prefers the 3 year adjuvanted rabies but will use the purevax. He also has the internasal distemper. He said it is up to me what we do. He also mentioned, as did several people here, that the law and vet hospitalization require rabies. My dilemma there is, if they are sick enough to be hospitalized, they will be too sick to be vaccinated if they are not already vaccinated. My vet recommends agst titer testing. He said it is not accurate. Another vet did do titer testing on Frankie and found he was still covered for some of the distemper diseases but not all. We have had bats in the house twice. That is probably my biggest worry. I do think the entries have all been closed but we do live in the woods and they like to sleep behind our shutters. I am still undecided about the vaccines, but I am better informed~ Thank-you! Laurie and tribe ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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As a matter of fact, I have! I worried that it might attract MORE bats.not sure what the outcome would be. I do love bats and, of course, let the last one out (my cats killed the first one and I only found body parts). Because the second one was in the bedroom area, we all had to have the rabies series of shots! There was a presumption we'd been bitten. If there is a next time I won't tell anyone... -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:35 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations Hey Laurie- have you ever considered putting up bat houses? That may keep them out of the house :-) http://www.batconservation.org/content/Bathouseimportance.html -Original Message- From: Laurieskatz [mailto:lauriesk...@mchsi.com] Sent: Thu 3/4/2010 1:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations Thank-you to all who responded. GREAT help! I loved the KY vet link and the thoughts about a holistic remedy to be used if vaccinating. I talked to my vet and he does have the purevax. He prefers the 3 year adjuvanted rabies but will use the purevax. He also has the internasal distemper. He said it is up to me what we do. He also mentioned, as did several people here, that the law and vet hospitalization require rabies. My dilemma there is, if they are sick enough to be hospitalized, they will be too sick to be vaccinated if they are not already vaccinated. My vet recommends agst titer testing. He said it is not accurate. Another vet did do titer testing on Frankie and found he was still covered for some of the distemper diseases but not all. We have had bats in the house twice. That is probably my biggest worry. I do think the entries have all been closed but we do live in the woods and they like to sleep behind our shutters. I am still undecided about the vaccines, but I am better informed~ Thank-you! Laurie and tribe ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Well, maybe you could put it way out in the woods on a tree... (haha) Sorry to hear about the rabies shots- ouch! -Original Message- From: Laurieskatz [mailto:lauriesk...@mchsi.com] Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations As a matter of fact, I have! I worried that it might attract MORE bats.not sure what the outcome would be. I do love bats and, of course, let the last one out (my cats killed the first one and I only found body parts). Because the second one was in the bedroom area, we all had to have the rabies series of shots! There was a presumption we'd been bitten. If there is a next time I won't tell anyone... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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THEY DON'T CARE. if there is a bat found in the house, they will tell you that you AND the cats could easily have been bitten without your even noticing it, by the very sharp little bat teeth. if the bat comes back rapid and your animals are NOT current, they WILL be confiscated, and they WILL be killed. they will come back as negative, more than likely, but they'll be dead then, so it hardly matters. i learned this when a bat that i KNEW the cats hadn't even seen (he flew up from the basement, and we covered him before they noticed) was taken--i talked to the state health department, and to the dept of ag, trying to find out why i couldn't just quarantine them, since the symptoms don't take that long to show up. i was told by everyone that, while they don't kill people who might have been bitten, they WILL take the animals. so, yes, i had a whole plan set up to sneak me and the cats out of the state, in the requisite middle of the night, if that bat was positive.. so it's a choice, but you might want to check with your state over what that choice could entail. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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What state are you in? On Mar 5, 2010, at 12:51 PM, MaryChristine wrote: THEY DON'T CARE. if there is a bat found in the house, they will tell you that you AND the cats could easily have been bitten without your even noticing it, by the very sharp little bat teeth. if the bat comes back rapid and your animals are NOT current, they WILL be confiscated, and they WILL be killed. they will come back as negative, more than likely, but they'll be dead then, so it hardly matters. i learned this when a bat that i KNEW the cats hadn't even seen (he flew up from the basement, and we covered him before they noticed) was taken--i talked to the state health department, and to the dept of ag, trying to find out why i couldn't just quarantine them, since the symptoms don't take that long to show up. i was told by everyone that, while they don't kill people who might have been bitten, they WILL take the animals. so, yes, i had a whole plan set up to sneak me and the cats out of the state, in the requisite middle of the night, if that bat was positive.. so it's a choice, but you might want to check with your state over what that choice could entail. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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i was in MI then On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com wrote: What state are you in? On Mar 5, 2010, at 12:51 PM, MaryChristine wrote: THEY DON'T CARE. if there is a bat found in the house, they will tell you that you AND the cats could easily have been bitten without your even noticing it, by the very sharp little bat teeth. if the bat comes back rapid and your animals are NOT current, they WILL be confiscated, and they WILL be killed. they will come back as negative, more than likely, but they'll be dead then, so it hardly matters. i learned this when a bat that i KNEW the cats hadn't even seen (he flew up from the basement, and we covered him before they noticed) was taken--i talked to the state health department, and to the dept of ag, trying to find out why i couldn't just quarantine them, since the symptoms don't take that long to show up. i was told by everyone that, while they don't kill people who might have been bitten, they WILL take the animals. so, yes, i had a whole plan set up to sneak me and the cats out of the state, in the requisite middle of the night, if that bat was positive.. so it's a choice, but you might want to check with your state over what that choice could entail. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue ( www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Same is true here. I caught hell for not killing the bat so they could examine it. I would make the same choice again. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 1:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations i was in MI then On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com wrote: What state are you in? On Mar 5, 2010, at 12:51 PM, MaryChristine wrote: THEY DON'T CARE. if there is a bat found in the house, they will tell you that you AND the cats could easily have been bitten without your even noticing it, by the very sharp little bat teeth. if the bat comes back rapid and your animals are NOT current, they WILL be confiscated, and they WILL be killed. they will come back as negative, more than likely, but they'll be dead then, so it hardly matters. i learned this when a bat that i KNEW the cats hadn't even seen (he flew up from the basement, and we covered him before they noticed) was taken--i talked to the state health department, and to the dept of ag, trying to find out why i couldn't just quarantine them, since the symptoms don't take that long to show up. i was told by everyone that, while they don't kill people who might have been bitten, they WILL take the animals. so, yes, i had a whole plan set up to sneak me and the cats out of the state, in the requisite middle of the night, if that bat was positive.. so it's a choice, but you might want to check with your state over what that choice could entail. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue ( www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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i don't think that many states have senses of humor when it comes to rabies. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank-you to all who responded. GREAT help! I loved the KY vet link and the thoughts about a holistic remedy to be used if vaccinating. I talked to my vet and he does have the purevax. He prefers the 3 year adjuvanted rabies but will use the purevax. He also has the internasal distemper. He said it is up to me what we do. He also mentioned, as did several people here, that the law and vet hospitalization require rabies. My dilemma there is, if they are sick enough to be hospitalized, they will be too sick to be vaccinated if they are not already vaccinated. My vet recommends agst titer testing. He said it is not accurate. Another vet did do titer testing on Frankie and found he was still covered for some of the distemper diseases but not all. We have had bats in the house twice. That is probably my biggest worry. I do think the entries have all been closed but we do live in the woods and they like to sleep behind our shutters. I am still undecided about the vaccines, but I am better informed~ Thank-you! Laurie and tribe ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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There has been several cases of rabid bats in Ky. This is a consideration. I have to ask what the odds are of a bat getting in the house, then what are the odds of it biting Copper or Thomas then what are the odds of it being rabid. Each person must decide. Ky accepts titers by the way (a really big surprise given how animals are treated generally here). On Mar 4, 2010, at 12:33 PM, Laurieskatz wrote: Thank-you to all who responded. GREAT help! I loved the KY vet link and the thoughts about a holistic remedy to be used if vaccinating. I talked to my vet and he does have the purevax. He prefers the 3 year adjuvanted rabies but will use the purevax. He also has the internasal distemper. He said it is up to me what we do. He also mentioned, as did several people here, that the law and vet hospitalization require rabies. My dilemma there is, if they are sick enough to be hospitalized, they will be too sick to be vaccinated if they are not already vaccinated. My vet recommends agst titer testing. He said it is not accurate. Another vet did do titer testing on Frankie and found he was still covered for some of the distemper diseases but not all. We have had bats in the house twice. That is probably my biggest worry. I do think the entries have all been closed but we do live in the woods and they like to sleep behind our shutters. I am still undecided about the vaccines, but I am better informed~ Thank-you! Laurie and tribe ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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PureVax makes a rabies vaccine with no adjuvant. That is what I get my cats. It's more expensive and it lasts only one year instead of 3, but is supposed to have no risk of vaccine-associated sarcoma so I think it is worth it. I only revaccinate yearly because my town has cat licensing AND I am well-known to (and disliked by) the animal control officer because I got a TNR ordinance passed and run a TNR group. So I go by the book when it comes to my town's licensing ordinance in order to avoid any problems! I personally do not think cats need rabies updates on the schedule that is required by law, especially if they are indoor cats. Challenge studies have shown even one rabies vaccination to often last 4 years (without boostering). But I follow the law in my town, and try to mitigate any negative effects by only using PureVax. PureVax also makes an adjuvant free FeLV vaccine-- that one does not even use a needle! It's an air gun of some kind. It makes a little popping noise and pushes the vaccine under the skin. When I had positives, I got it for my one negative every year, even though I kept them separated, just in case. After my last positive died I stopped getting him FeLV vaccine because he stays inside. Michelle ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My clinic switched to the Purevax a few years ago because they'd been getting a LOT of reactions to the 3 year shot. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous From: lernermiche...@aol.com lernermiche...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, March 3, 2010 12:25:29 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations PureVax makes a rabies vaccine with no adjuvant. That is what I get my cats. It's more expensive and it lasts only one year instead of 3, but is supposed to have no risk of vaccine-associated sarcoma so I think it is worth it. I only revaccinate yearly because my town has cat licensing AND I am well-known to (and disliked by) the animal control officer because I got a TNR ordinance passed and run a TNR group. So I go by the book when it comes to my town's licensing ordinance in order to avoid any problems! I personally do not think cats need rabies updates on the schedule that is required by law, especially if they are indoor cats. Challenge studies have shown even one rabies vaccination to often last 4 years (without boostering). But I follow the law in my town, and try to mitigate any negative effects by only using PureVax. PureVax also makes an adjuvant free FeLV vaccine-- that one does not even use a needle! It's an air gun of some kind. It makes a little popping noise and pushes the vaccine under the skin. When I had positives, I got it for my one negative every year, even though I kept them separated, just in case. After my last positive died I stopped getting him FeLV vaccine because he stays inside. Michelle ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks for the information re the FeLVI have concerns about my boys not being vaccinated because of the what-ifs associated with travel and .well..thanks. Having lost Dixie to this and being inclined to help out cats with no caregivers, the boys safety is a concern. On Mar 3, 2010, at 12:25 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote: PureVax makes a rabies vaccine with no adjuvant. That is what I get my cats. It's more expensive and it lasts only one year instead of 3, but is supposed to have no risk of vaccine-associated sarcoma so I think it is worth it. I only revaccinate yearly because my town has cat licensing AND I am well-known to (and disliked by) the animal control officer because I got a TNR ordinance passed and run a TNR group. So I go by the book when it comes to my town's licensing ordinance in order to avoid any problems! I personally do not think cats need rabies updates on the schedule that is required by law, especially if they are indoor cats. Challenge studies have shown even one rabies vaccination to often last 4 years (without boostering). But I follow the law in my town, and try to mitigate any negative effects by only using PureVax. PureVax also makes an adjuvant free FeLV vaccine-- that one does not even use a needle! It's an air gun of some kind. It makes a little popping noise and pushes the vaccine under the skin. When I had positives, I got it for my one negative every year, even though I kept them separated, just in case. After my last positive died I stopped getting him FeLV vaccine because he stays inside. Michelle ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations for FelV kittens
Mary Christine, I had two FelV kittens. One was vaccinated by the vet after having testing positive with the Elisa test. He had one day of feeling bad, like all kittens do, but has been fine ever since. The other kitten, also positive, got extremely sick, couldn't even hold his head up, and soon died. I'm assuming his immune system was gone, whereas the other kitten had an immune system that was still pretty much alright. Re: your other e-mail.. I agree, vets want to give kittens way, way too many vaccinations. They also get the same amount of vaccine a full grown cat gets, which doesn't seem right to me. Lorrie On 10-29, MaryChristine wrote: i respectfully disagree. asymptomatic FeLVs are not sick cats. every sanctuary or multi-cat household will tell you that until the virus is activated, FeLVs are just normal cats--they get sick, they get treated, they get well. in sanctuary settings, FeLVs are kept with other FeLVs, in all stages of sickness and health. since FeLV kills through opporunistic infections as well as lymphomas and other manifestations, if the healthy FeLVs in the populations were seriously immune-compromised, each time one of them went into their final battle, all the others would get sick as well and be unable to fight off the onslaughts of new infections. this does not happen. if you have two FeLVs in the house and one becomes ill, why doesn't the other, sick cat, immediately succumb? this is another misunderstanding, i truly believe, from vets who haven't bothered to keep up on the research, and/or to adequately educate their patients. let me tell you, however, if you've ever seen a cat die of panleukopenia, you won't ever want it to happen again. there are ALWAYS risks in using ANY drug, and while there have certainly been reactions to vaccines throughout time, the way to counter our over-vaccinated society isn't necessarily to stop doing them at all. a symptomatic cat is sick; it may not have a thing to do with the FeLV, but an asymptomatic cat being sick because it may have FeLV, is like saying that all of us who had chicken pox are sick, because we've got that herpes virus just waiting to break out into herpes. MC (haven't you missed me?) On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:29 PM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, I personally would not vaccinate a positive cat. See Jean Dodds' and Charles Loop's (both vets) views here. (The paragraph below is taken from the website.) Kerry M. http://www.newsagepress.com/protectyourpet.html All packages of vaccinations carry warnings that they should be injected only in healthy animals. In the case of cats, vaccine manufacturers advise against vaccinating pregnant or nursing cats. However, many pets are not healthy when vaccinated although they might not have outward signs of health problems. Charles Loops, DVM, a holistic veterinarian from Pittsboro, North Carolina, notes that chemically killed viruses or bacteria are injected directly into the blood stream, which is an unnatural route of infection. (7) This causes the animal's antibodies to attempt to fight off the offending virus molecules and render them harmless. If the animal's immune system is too weakened, he or she cannot fight off these viruses and can develop a reaction to the vaccine. Even small amounts of a virus that is introduced through a vaccination may be too much for sick animals to fight off. They then may fall ill from the very disease to which they have been vaccinated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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it's not a hard-and-dried thing, as you said--i know of positives who seemed in perfectly great health not make it through spaying/neutering, too; at the sanctuary, we'd neuter the little boys as soon as possible to solve any breaking-out-into-kittens problems, but some of the girls were NEVER spayed, based on their health. but just as with vaccinations, perfectly healthy cats can die from routine spays and neuters, and you have to weigh the alternatives. i just don't think that we can blame everything that happens to an FIV, or an FeLV, on their having the virus wandering around their systems. Until they come to us with the genetic profiles and complete vet records, it's all a gamble personally, i vaccinate my FeLVs as babies, then again if they make it to three years, just as the recommendations are for other healthy cats. i spay/neuter them when they seem strong enough; and i keep my paws crossed and love them every single day, knowing that there are no guarantees that there will be tomorrow--for them, or even for me. MC On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Lorrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mary Christine, I had two FelV kittens. One was vaccinated by the vet after having testing positive with the Elisa test. He had one day of feeling bad, like all kittens do, but has been fine ever since. The other kitten, also positive, got extremely sick, couldn't even hold his head up, and soon died. I'm assuming his immune system was gone, whereas the other kitten had an immune system that was still pretty much alright. Re: your other e-mail.. I agree, vets want to give kittens way, way too many vaccinations. They also get the same amount of vaccine a full grown cat gets, which doesn't seem right to me. Lorrie On 10-29, MaryChristine wrote: i respectfully disagree. asymptomatic FeLVs are not sick cats. every sanctuary or multi-cat household will tell you that until the virus is activated, FeLVs are just normal cats--they get sick, they get treated, they get well. in sanctuary settings, FeLVs are kept with other FeLVs, in all stages of sickness and health. since FeLV kills through opporunistic infections as well as lymphomas and other manifestations, if the healthy FeLVs in the populations were seriously immune-compromised, each time one of them went into their final battle, all the others would get sick as well and be unable to fight off the onslaughts of new infections. this does not happen. if you have two FeLVs in the house and one becomes ill, why doesn't the other, sick cat, immediately succumb? this is another misunderstanding, i truly believe, from vets who haven't bothered to keep up on the research, and/or to adequately educate their patients. let me tell you, however, if you've ever seen a cat die of panleukopenia, you won't ever want it to happen again. there are ALWAYS risks in using ANY drug, and while there have certainly been reactions to vaccines throughout time, the way to counter our over-vaccinated society isn't necessarily to stop doing them at all. a symptomatic cat is sick; it may not have a thing to do with the FeLV, but an asymptomatic cat being sick because it may have FeLV, is like saying that all of us who had chicken pox are sick, because we've got that herpes virus just waiting to break out into herpes. MC (haven't you missed me?) On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:29 PM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, I personally would not vaccinate a positive cat. See Jean Dodds' and Charles Loop's (both vets) views here. (The paragraph below is taken from the website.) Kerry M. http://www.newsagepress.com/protectyourpet.html All packages of vaccinations carry warnings that they should be injected only in healthy animals. In the case of cats, vaccine manufacturers advise against vaccinating pregnant or nursing cats. However, many pets are not healthy when vaccinated although they might not have outward signs of health problems. Charles Loops, DVM, a holistic veterinarian from Pittsboro, North Carolina, notes that chemically killed viruses or bacteria are injected directly into the blood stream, which is an unnatural route of infection. (7) This causes the animal's antibodies to attempt to fight off the offending virus molecules and render them harmless. If the animal's immune system is too weakened, he or she cannot fight off these viruses and can develop a reaction to the vaccine. Even small amounts of a virus that is introduced through a vaccination may be too much for sick animals to fight off. They then may fall ill from the very disease to which they have been vaccinated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The
