RE: OT: Kitten Question
Mary Christine, I don't agree with everything Susan has said or the way she has said it, but in this case she has no more overstepped the bounds than anyone else who answers a question by saying you should try immunoregulin or sounds like anemia. Obviously Caroline can't print off Susan's e-mail and run to a pharmacy with it, so she's not prescribing. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: Kitten Question you are prescribing medicine without a license. On 9/25/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Caroline, Have the little kittens had a fecal yet? If not, I recommend getting one performed. Coccidia, Giardia spirokettes(?) are all possibilities. Sometimes when you first get kittens, they can have normal poops,even w/one of the above problems or all of them,however, the diarrhea can start days even weeks later. Coccidia would need Albon,make sure that the doasge is correct for their weight due to it being a sulfur based drug and it can cause liver problems. However, the first dosage will need to be *double* ,if that makes sense. Ask your vet for some Hills' moist w/d to help w/ the diarrhea, which will help form stools plus they still will get *some* the necessary moisture that they need. You also might want togive them a bit of Pedialyte,this will give them the necessary electrolytes that they are losing. Kittens can crash very easily due to dehydration. Let me knowif you have any questions, goodl luck! signed, Susan in Texas that doesn't know what she is talking about,as usual... :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:07 PM Subject: Re: OT: Kitten Question Hi Caroline, They may still be reacting to the antibiotics/amoxi. It tends to wipe out the good gut bacteria with the baddies. Try adding some probiotics to their food, or maybe try some plain yogurt with live cultures to help rebuild the good gut bacteria. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:54:31 -0400 From: Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: Kitten Question I am down to three foster kittens now as one was integrated to the on-site adoption facility (the pet supply store) on Saturday. He was bigger and totally healthy and getting to be too much for me because he was the instigator and a bad influence on the other ones. He was a B/W little Kittler, so it figures! Of the three I have now, they seem to be having a touch of diarrhea? And I don't know what the cause is? I'm not doing anything different with them. They all get fed Wellness Wet Kitten food and Eagle Pack Holistic dry kitten. Each gets about a half of the small can of Wellness in the a.m., and the same in the evening. When I leave for work, after they have eaten the Wet food, they get the Eagle Dry- kind of free choice because they stay in crates when I am not home, so I like to leave them with some food. They are all drinking water fine, except for when they tip their waters over, but I don't think they go too long before I am able to get home and refill them and it doesn't happen every day (I just ordered coop cups from Revival, so these should solve that problem). On their wet food in the am I sprinkle L-Lysine free form powder and Brewer's yeast (and have been doing this for weeks now). In the pm, I do the same, but add a sprinkled on gel cap of Colostrum- about 290 mgs each. I just placed an order for Just Born with Colostrum
RE: OT: Kitten Question
Thanks everybody for the insight. I was able to determine this a.m. that indeed, all three are having very stinky, loose, cow pie stools- but not exactly super runny diarrhea. It's not the really wet diarrhea that is almost all watery/fluid...Does this description help? And they have it at the regular times (usually after eating), like they did when having regular stools. Eagle Pack makes a Holistic Soultions food additive that is probiotics (acidophilius, etc.) for diarrhea and loose stools. I started them all on this last night hoping it will help regulate the gut bacteria, if that is the problem. They probably do need to be dewormed again and I can get that done this week. I haven't taken them to a vet yet since I've had them and I think I have to go through the adoption agency, so I am trying to find out how to work getting fecals analyzed -Caroline Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:19:08 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: OT: Kitten QuestionTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I agree. And not to gross everyone out there's a difference between constant, runny diarrhea (that could cause dehydration and warrant a vet visit) and loose stools when they normally would go anyway. Does that make sense? If they are going all the time and it's watery, check for hydration. If it just happens that when they do go their stool is not firm, I would give it some time. Try the probiotics and pumpkin. tMelissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Caroline, In my previous post, I mentioned how it took Ashley two weeks to get better after the antibiotics had made it through. We had an appointment at the vet scheduled for 2 weeks after finishing the medicine (to take stool samples), but it turned out that she didn’t need to go in since she was better. If it were me with the high vet bills that I usually have, I’d wait another week since they just finished their antibiotics. But, I’m not a vet or an expert. As long as they are eating and drinking, I think that they’d be okay. But, please don’t chastise me anyone if this is bad advice—just set me straight! Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline KaufmannSent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:15 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: OT: Kitten Question I am not sure about their worming schedule at this point- I took them in from another volunteer/rescuer b/c she was overloaded and they weren't getting proper care, so she has their records. All were given Advantage before they came to me. I'm pretty sure they got a deworming tho, b/c I know they give dewormer to kittens even smaller than these and I doubt the other volunteer would have had them in her house with her other cats w/o first deworming. Plus, I look for worms all the time and have never seen any. Do I need to take them to a vet?Thanks,Caroline Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:05:35 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: Kitten Question It could be coccidia or giardia. Both are very common in kittens. Coccidia is treated with albon, giardia with flagyl. It could be worms, but I'm thinking you wormed them already. On 9/25/07, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am down to three foster kittens now as one was integrated to the on-site adoption facility (the pet supply store) on Saturday. He was bigger and totally healthy and getting to be too much for me because he was the instigator and a bad influence on the other ones. He was a B/W little Kittler, so it figures! Of the three I have now, they seem to be having a touch of diarrhea? And I don't know what the cause is? I'm not doing anything different with them. They all get fed Wellness Wet Kitten food and Eagle Pack Holistic dry kitten. Each gets about a half of the small can of Wellness in the a.m., and the same in the evening. When I leave for work, after they have eaten the Wet food, they get the Eagle Dry- kind of free choice because they stay in crates when I am not home, so I like to leave them with some food. They are all drinking water fine, except for when they tip their waters over, but I don't think they go too long before I am able to get home and refill them and it doesn't happen every day (I just ordered coop cups from Revival, so these should solve that problem). On their wet food in the am I sprinkle L-Lysine free form powder and Brewer's yeast (and have been doing this for weeks now). In the pm, I do the same, but add a sprinkled on gel cap of Colostrum- about 290 mgs each. I just placed an order for Just Born with Colostrum and will be switching them to that when I get it. I think, but am not for sure, that they are June babies and I don't know if they are from the same litter- 2 might be, but I don't know for sure. The smallest now weighs 2.8 (and I should not that this is the only one that hasn't been fixed yet because it weighed too little, but now with me, it's
Re: OT: Kitten Question
you are prescribing medicine without a license. On 9/25/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Caroline, Have the little kittens had a fecal yet? If not, I recommend getting one performed. Coccidia, Giardia spirokettes(?) are all possibilities. Sometimes when you first get kittens, they can have normal poops,even w/one of the above problems or all of them,however, the diarrhea can start days even weeks later. Coccidia would need Albon,make sure that the doasge is correct for their weight due to it being a sulfur based drug and it can cause liver problems. However, the first dosage will need to be *double* ,if that makes sense. Ask your vet for some Hills' moist w/d to help w/ the diarrhea, which will help form stools plus they still will get *some* the necessary moisture that they need. You also might want togive them a bit of Pedialyte,this will give them the necessary electrolytes that they are losing. Kittens can crash very easily due to dehydration. Let me knowif you have any questions, goodl luck! signed, Susan in Texas that doesn't know what she is talking about,as usual... :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:07 PM Subject: Re: OT: Kitten Question Hi Caroline, They may still be reacting to the antibiotics/amoxi. It tends to wipe out the good gut bacteria with the baddies. Try adding some probiotics to their food, or maybe try some plain yogurt with live cultures to help rebuild the good gut bacteria. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:54:31 -0400 From: Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: Kitten Question I am down to three foster kittens now as one was integrated to the on-site adoption facility (the pet supply store) on Saturday. He was bigger and totally healthy and getting to be too much for me because he was the instigator and a bad influence on the other ones. He was a B/W little Kittler, so it figures! Of the three I have now, they seem to be having a touch of diarrhea? And I don't know what the cause is? I'm not doing anything different with them. They all get fed Wellness Wet Kitten food and Eagle Pack Holistic dry kitten. Each gets about a half of the small can of Wellness in the a.m., and the same in the evening. When I leave for work, after they have eaten the Wet food, they get the Eagle Dry- kind of free choice because they stay in crates when I am not home, so I like to leave them with some food. They are all drinking water fine, except for when they tip their waters over, but I don't think they go too long before I am able to get home and refill them and it doesn't happen every day (I just ordered coop cups from Revival, so these should solve that problem). On their wet food in the am I sprinkle L-Lysine free form powder and Brewer's yeast (and have been doing this for weeks now). In the pm, I do the same, but add a sprinkled on gel cap of Colostrum- about 290 mgs each. I just placed an order for Just Born with Colostrum and will be switching them to that when I get it. I think, but am not for sure, that they are June babies and I don't know if they are from the same litter- 2 might be, but I don't know for sure. The smallest now weighs 2.8 (and I should not that this is the only one that hasn't been fixed yet because it weighed too little, but now with me, it's a little eating and growing machine!). The biggest- Yoda- the first one I took in that I thought might die (weighed 2.4 lbs and they had him on the floor for adoption!?! with a raging URI!), anyway, he now weighs 3.6 lbs and I've had him since Labor Day Weekend He's a growing monster. So they all have healthy appetites and they are all gaining weight and getting noticeably bigger. They run and play like maniacs (they have so MUCH energy! My mom tells me to stop pumping them full of vitamins and supplements!) when I let them out of their crates twice a day for play-time. They are all well now-- it took 2 weeks to 14 days to bust those URI's out of them, but I finally did it. I stopped the Amoxicillin well over a week ago, so it can't be that causing the diarrhea? But now they seem to be having soft stools, if not actual diarrhea. Yoda seems to be having the diarrhea more (I can
Re: OT: Kitten Question
In a message dated 9/26/2007 6:26:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you are prescribing medicine without a license. Wow. It just doesn't end, does it? For the record, twelvehousecats, Susan has left the list, so that's one less jab she'll have to deal with, due in large part I'm sure to statements like that. This will likely be my last post to this group. I find the attitudes and behavior of the senior members of this list to be discouraging, at best. Toe amputation is cruelty to animals, period, and virtually every major animal-rights group (including Siamese Rescue, ASPCA and PETA) oppose it. I will, for those of you that requested scientific information, include one last post before I bow out of this group. See it at the bottom of the email, if you're really concerned/interested. You can sugar coat it, and ignore the facts if it makes you feel better about yourself, but the bottom line is its cruel, period. For anyone who's interested, I have started another group on Yahoo. The URL is here: _http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineLeukemia_ (http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineLeukemia) Let me preface that by saying I am not advocating or asking anyone to leave this list. I am not saying the new group is a replacement for this group, or that its any better than this group. I am simply providing an alternative list if anyone is interested in joining. I'm sure some of you might be interested in being on both lists. For me, this was just too much. It was uncalled for. Susan was one of the first people to respond to my email when I originally joined this group scared out of my mind and not knowing what to do, so yeah, I guess I took the attacks on her a bit personally, and perhaps I shouldn't have, but whats done is done, and I don't think it can be undone at this point. The ground rules for the new group is relatively simple, and that is no one's opinion will be stifled or silenced, and the group will be moderated. Also, no one will be judged on the other list for anything that was said or done here, so long as its not brought up there. As disgusted and disappointed as I am in everything that has transpired here, I do wish all the cats (and people) on this list the best. Regards, Michael Roberts ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: OT: Kitten Question
It could be coccidia or giardia. Both are very common in kittens. Coccidia is treated with albon, giardia with flagyl. It could be worms, but I'm thinking you wormed them already. On 9/25/07, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am down to three foster kittens now as one was integrated to the on-site adoption facility (the pet supply store) on Saturday. He was bigger and totally healthy and getting to be too much for me because he was the instigator and a bad influence on the other ones. He was a B/W little Kittler, so it figures! Of the three I have now, they seem to be having a touch of diarrhea? And I don't know what the cause is? I'm not doing anything different with them. They all get fed Wellness Wet Kitten food and Eagle Pack Holistic dry kitten. Each gets about a half of the small can of Wellness in the a.m., and the same in the evening. When I leave for work, after they have eaten the Wet food, they get the Eagle Dry- kind of free choice because they stay in crates when I am not home, so I like to leave them with some food. They are all drinking water fine, except for when they tip their waters over, but I don't think they go too long before I am able to get home and refill them and it doesn't happen every day (I just ordered coop cups from Revival, so these should solve that problem). On their wet food in the am I sprinkle L-Lysine free form powder and Brewer's yeast (and have been doing this for weeks now). In the pm, I do the same, but add a sprinkled on gel cap of Colostrum- about 290 mgs each. I just placed an order for Just Born with Colostrum and will be switching them to that when I get it. I think, but am not for sure, that they are June babies and I don't know if they are from the same litter- 2 might be, but I don't know for sure. The smallest now weighs 2.8 (and I should not that this is the only one that hasn't been fixed yet because it weighed too little, but now with me, it's a little eating and growing machine!). The biggest- Yoda- the first one I took in that I thought might die (weighed 2.4 lbs and they had him on the floor for adoption!?! with a raging URI!), anyway, he now weighs 3.6 lbs and I've had him since Labor Day Weekend He's a growing monster. So they all have healthy appetites and they are all gaining weight and getting noticeably bigger. They run and play like maniacs (they have so MUCH energy! My mom tells me to stop pumping them full of vitamins and supplements!) when I let them out of their crates twice a day for play-time. They are all well now-- it took 2 weeks to 14 days to bust those URI's out of them, but I finally did it. I stopped the Amoxicillin well over a week ago, so it can't be that causing the diarrhea? But now they seem to be having soft stools, if not actual diarrhea. Yoda seems to be having the diarrhea more (I can tell with him because he has a crate to himself and the other two share one). My first foster cat- which I guess I am keeping (!), she's 1 now and no longer a kitten but a big, healthy mature cat-- she gets the same protocol of supplements, except she gets fed 1/4 can of regular adult Wellness in the am and pm and free choice Wellness Dry Core. She mingles with the kittens now during play-time and she is not having any diarrhea. Does anyone have any thoughts about a possible cause of diarrhea and what I can do about it? I'd appreciate some help! I haven't had kittens since I was 10, so I just don't know much about them... -Caroline Gear up for Halo(r) 3 and get a $25 Best Buy gift card. It's our way of saying thanks for using Windows Live™. Get it now! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!
Re: OT: Kitten Question
Hi Caroline, They may still be reacting to the antibiotics/amoxi. It tends to wipe out the good gut bacteria with the baddies. Try adding some probiotics to their food, or maybe try some plain yogurt with live cultures to help rebuild the good gut bacteria. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:54:31 -0400 From: Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: Kitten Question I am down to three foster kittens now as one was integrated to the on-site adoption facility (the pet supply store) on Saturday. He was bigger and totally healthy and getting to be too much for me because he was the instigator and a bad influence on the other ones. He was a B/W little Kittler, so it figures! Of the three I have now, they seem to be having a touch of diarrhea? And I don't know what the cause is? I'm not doing anything different with them. They all get fed Wellness Wet Kitten food and Eagle Pack Holistic dry kitten. Each gets about a half of the small can of Wellness in the a.m., and the same in the evening. When I leave for work, after they have eaten the Wet food, they get the Eagle Dry- kind of free choice because they stay in crates when I am not home, so I like to leave them with some food. They are all drinking water fine, except for when they tip their waters over, but I don't think they go too long before I am able to get home and refill them and it doesn't happen every day (I just ordered coop cups from Revival, so these should solve that problem). On their wet food in the am I sprinkle L-Lysine free form powder and Brewer's yeast (and have been doing this for weeks now). In the pm, I do the same, but add a sprinkled on gel cap of Colostrum- about 290 mgs each. I just placed an order for Just Born with Colostrum and will be switching them to that when I get it. I think, but am not for sure, that they are June babies and I don't know if they are from the same litter- 2 might be, but I don't know for sure. The smallest now weighs 2.8 (and I should not that this is the only one that hasn't been fixed yet because it weighed too little, but now with me, it's a little eating and growing machine!). The biggest- Yoda- the first one I took in that I thought might die (weighed 2.4 lbs and they had him on the floor for adoption!?! with a raging URI!), anyway, he now weighs 3.6 lbs and I've had him since Labor Day Weekend He's a growing monster. So they all have healthy appetites and they are all gaining weight and getting noticeably bigger. They run and play like maniacs (they have so MUCH energy! My mom tells me to stop pumping them full of vitamins and supplements!) when I let them out of their crates twice a day for play-time. They are all well now-- it took 2 weeks to 14 days to bust those URI's out of them, but I finally did it. I stopped the Amoxicillin well over a week ago, so it can't be that causing the diarrhea? But now they seem to be having soft stools, if not actual diarrhea. Yoda seems to be having the diarrhea more (I can tell with him because he has a crate to himself and the other two share one). My first foster cat- which I guess I am keeping (!), she's 1 now and no longer a kitten but a big, healthy mature cat-- she gets the same protocol of supplements, except she gets fed 1/4 can of regular adult Wellness in the am and pm and free choice Wellness Dry Core. She mingles with the kittens now during play-time and she is not having any diarrhea. Does anyone have any thoughts about a possible cause of diarrhea and what I can do about it? I'd appreciate some help! I haven't had kittens since I was 10, so I just don't know much about them... -Caroline _ Gear up for Halo? 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. It?s our way of saying thanks for using Windows Live?. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2
RE: OT: Kitten Question
I am not sure about their worming schedule at this point- I took them in from another volunteer/rescuer b/c she was overloaded and they weren't getting proper care, so she has their records. All were given Advantage before they came to me. I'm pretty sure they got a deworming tho, b/c I know they give dewormer to kittens even smaller than these and I doubt the other volunteer would have had them in her house with her other cats w/o first deworming. Plus, I look for worms all the time and have never seen any. Do I need to take them to a vet? Thanks, Caroline Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:05:35 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: Kitten Question It could be coccidia or giardia. Both are very common in kittens. Coccidia is treated with albon, giardia with flagyl. It could be worms, but I'm thinking you wormed them already. On 9/25/07, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am down to three foster kittens now as one was integrated to the on-site adoption facility (the pet supply store) on Saturday. He was bigger and totally healthy and getting to be too much for me because he was the instigator and a bad influence on the other ones. He was a B/W little Kittler, so it figures! Of the three I have now, they seem to be having a touch of diarrhea? And I don't know what the cause is? I'm not doing anything different with them. They all get fed Wellness Wet Kitten food and Eagle Pack Holistic dry kitten. Each gets about a half of the small can of Wellness in the a.m., and the same in the evening. When I leave for work, after they have eaten the Wet food, they get the Eagle Dry- kind of free choice because they stay in crates when I am not home, so I like to leave them with some food. They are all drinking water fine, except for when they tip their waters over, but I don't think they go too long before I am able to get home and refill them and it doesn't happen every day (I just ordered coop cups from Revival, so these should solve that problem). On their wet food in the am I sprinkle L-Lysine free form powder and Brewer's yeast (and have been doing this for weeks now). In the pm, I do the same, but add a sprinkled on gel cap of Colostrum- about 290 mgs each. I just placed an order for Just Born with Colostrum and will be switching them to that when I get it. I think, but am not for sure, that they are June babies and I don't know if they are from the same litter- 2 might be, but I don't know for sure. The smallest now weighs 2.8 (and I should not that this is the only one that hasn't been fixed yet because it weighed too little, but now with me, it's a little eating and growing machine!). The biggest- Yoda- the first one I took in that I thought might die (weighed 2.4 lbs and they had him on the floor for adoption!?! with a raging URI!), anyway, he now weighs 3.6 lbs and I've had him since Labor Day Weekend He's a growing monster. So they all have healthy appetites and they are all gaining weight and getting noticeably bigger. They run and play like maniacs (they have so MUCH energy! My mom tells me to stop pumping them full of vitamins and supplements!) when I let them out of their crates twice a day for play-time. They are all well now-- it took 2 weeks to 14 days to bust those URI's out of them, but I finally did it. I stopped the Amoxicillin well over a week ago, so it can't be that causing the diarrhea? But now they seem to be having soft stools, if not actual diarrhea. Yoda seems to be having the diarrhea more (I can tell with him because he has a crate to himself and the other two share one). My first foster cat- which I guess I am keeping (!), she's 1 now and no longer a kitten but a big, healthy mature cat-- she gets the same protocol of supplements, except she gets fed 1/4 can of regular adult Wellness in the am and pm and free choice Wellness Dry Core. She mingles with the kittens now during play-time and she is not having any diarrhea. Does anyone have any thoughts about a possible cause of diarrhea and what I can do about it? I'd appreciate some help! I haven't had kittens since I was 10, so I just don't know much about them... -Caroline Gear up for Halo(r) 3 and get a $25 Best Buy gift card. It's our way of saying thanks for using Windows Live™. Get it now! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help George! http://rescuties.chipin.com/george I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! _ Gear up for Halo® 3
RE: OT: Kitten Question
Caroline, In my previous post, I mentioned how it took Ashley two weeks to get better after the antibiotics had made it through. We had an appointment at the vet scheduled for 2 weeks after finishing the medicine (to take stool samples), but it turned out that she didn't need to go in since she was better. If it were me with the high vet bills that I usually have, I'd wait another week since they just finished their antibiotics. But, I'm not a vet or an expert. As long as they are eating and drinking, I think that they'd be okay. But, please don't chastise me anyone if this is bad advice-just set me straight! Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT: Kitten Question I am not sure about their worming schedule at this point- I took them in from another volunteer/rescuer b/c she was overloaded and they weren't getting proper care, so she has their records. All were given Advantage before they came to me. I'm pretty sure they got a deworming tho, b/c I know they give dewormer to kittens even smaller than these and I doubt the other volunteer would have had them in her house with her other cats w/o first deworming. Plus, I look for worms all the time and have never seen any. Do I need to take them to a vet? Thanks, Caroline Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:05:35 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: Kitten Question It could be coccidia or giardia. Both are very common in kittens. Coccidia is treated with albon, giardia with flagyl. It could be worms, but I'm thinking you wormed them already. On 9/25/07, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am down to three foster kittens now as one was integrated to the on-site adoption facility (the pet supply store) on Saturday. He was bigger and totally healthy and getting to be too much for me because he was the instigator and a bad influence on the other ones. He was a B/W little Kittler, so it figures! Of the three I have now, they seem to be having a touch of diarrhea? And I don't know what the cause is? I'm not doing anything different with them. They all get fed Wellness Wet Kitten food and Eagle Pack Holistic dry kitten. Each gets about a half of the small can of Wellness in the a.m., and the same in the evening. When I leave for work, after they have eaten the Wet food, they get the Eagle Dry- kind of free choice because they stay in crates when I am not home, so I like to leave them with some food. They are all drinking water fine, except for when they tip their waters over, but I don't think they go too long before I am able to get home and refill them and it doesn't happen every day (I just ordered coop cups from Revival, so these should solve that problem). On their wet food in the am I sprinkle L-Lysine free form powder and Brewer's yeast (and have been doing this for weeks now). In the pm, I do the same, but add a sprinkled on gel cap of Colostrum- about 290 mgs each. I just placed an order for Just Born with Colostrum and will be switching them to that when I get it. I think, but am not for sure, that they are June babies and I don't know if they are from the same litter- 2 might be, but I don't know for sure. The smallest now weighs 2.8 (and I should not that this is the only one that hasn't been fixed yet because it weighed too little, but now with me, it's a little eating and growing machine!). The biggest- Yoda- the first one I took in that I thought might die (weighed 2.4 lbs and they had him on the floor for adoption!?! with a raging URI!), anyway, he now weighs 3.6 lbs and I've had him since Labor Day Weekend He's a growing monster. So they all have healthy appetites and they are all gaining weight and getting noticeably bigger. They run and play like maniacs (they have so MUCH energy! My mom tells me to stop pumping them full of vitamins and supplements!) when I let them out of their crates twice a day for play-time. They are all well now-- it took 2 weeks to 14 days to bust those URI's out of them, but I finally did it. I stopped the Amoxicillin well over a week ago, so it can't be that causing the diarrhea? But now they seem to be having soft stools, if not actual diarrhea. Yoda seems to be having the diarrhea more (I can tell with him because he has a crate to himself and the other two share one). My first foster cat- which I guess I am keeping (!), she's 1 now and no longer a kitten but a big, healthy mature cat-- she gets the same protocol of supplements, except she gets fed 1/4 can of regular adult Wellness in the am and pm and free choice Wellness Dry Core. She mingles with the kittens now during play-time and she is not having any diarrhea. Does anyone have any thoughts about a possible cause of diarrhea and what I can do
Re: OT: Kitten Question
Hi Caroline, Have the little kittens had a fecal yet? If not, I recommend getting one performed. Coccidia, Giardia spirokettes(?) are all possibilities. Sometimes when you first get kittens, they can have normal poops,even w/one of the above problems or all of them,however, the diarrhea can start days even weeks later. Coccidia would need Albon,make sure that the doasge is correct for their weight due to it being a sulfur based drug and it can cause liver problems. However, the first dosage will need to be *double* ,if that makes sense. Ask your vet for some Hills' moist w/d to help w/ the diarrhea, which will help form stools plus they still will get *some* the necessary moisture that they need. You also might want togive them a bit of Pedialyte,this will give them the necessary electrolytes that they are losing. Kittens can crash very easily due to dehydration. Let me knowif you have any questions, goodl luck! signed, Susan in Texas that doesn't know what she is talking about,as usual... :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:07 PM Subject: Re: OT: Kitten Question Hi Caroline, They may still be reacting to the antibiotics/amoxi. It tends to wipe out the good gut bacteria with the baddies. Try adding some probiotics to their food, or maybe try some plain yogurt with live cultures to help rebuild the good gut bacteria. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:54:31 -0400 From: Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: Kitten Question I am down to three foster kittens now as one was integrated to the on-site adoption facility (the pet supply store) on Saturday. He was bigger and totally healthy and getting to be too much for me because he was the instigator and a bad influence on the other ones. He was a B/W little Kittler, so it figures! Of the three I have now, they seem to be having a touch of diarrhea? And I don't know what the cause is? I'm not doing anything different with them. They all get fed Wellness Wet Kitten food and Eagle Pack Holistic dry kitten. Each gets about a half of the small can of Wellness in the a.m., and the same in the evening. When I leave for work, after they have eaten the Wet food, they get the Eagle Dry- kind of free choice because they stay in crates when I am not home, so I like to leave them with some food. They are all drinking water fine, except for when they tip their waters over, but I don't think they go too long before I am able to get home and refill them and it doesn't happen every day (I just ordered coop cups from Revival, so these should solve that problem). On their wet food in the am I sprinkle L-Lysine free form powder and Brewer's yeast (and have been doing this for weeks now). In the pm, I do the same, but add a sprinkled on gel cap of Colostrum- about 290 mgs each. I just placed an order for Just Born with Colostrum and will be switching them to that when I get it. I think, but am not for sure, that they are June babies and I don't know if they are from the same litter- 2 might be, but I don't know for sure. The smallest now weighs 2.8 (and I should not that this is the only one that hasn't been fixed yet because it weighed too little, but now with me, it's a little eating and growing machine!). The biggest- Yoda- the first one I took in that I thought might die (weighed 2.4 lbs and they had him on the floor for adoption!?! with a raging URI!), anyway, he now weighs 3.6 lbs and I've had him since Labor Day Weekend He's a growing monster. So they all have healthy appetites and they are all gaining weight and getting noticeably bigger. They run and play like maniacs (they have so MUCH energy! My mom tells me to stop pumping them full of vitamins and supplements!) when I let them out of their crates twice a day for play-time. They are all well now-- it took 2 weeks to 14 days to bust those URI's out of them, but I finally did it. I stopped the Amoxicillin well over a week ago, so it can't be that causing the diarrhea? But now they seem to be having soft stools, if not actual diarrhea. Yoda seems to be having the diarrhea more (I can tell with him because he has a crate to himself and the other two share one). My first foster cat- which I guess I am keeping (!), she's 1 now and no longer
Re: OT: Kitten Question
They will need @ least 2 dewormings, 2 weeks apart. The only worm that you *normally* see is tapes,so,they could still have worms if the eggs have hatched since the last deworming. I would take them in for fecal, just to be safe. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:14 PM Subject: RE: OT: Kitten Question I am not sure about their worming schedule at this point- I took them in from another volunteer/rescuer b/c she was overloaded and they weren't getting proper care, so she has their records. All were given Advantage before they came to me. I'm pretty sure they got a deworming tho, b/c I know they give dewormer to kittens even smaller than these and I doubt the other volunteer would have had them in her house with her other cats w/o first deworming. Plus, I look for worms all the time and have never seen any. Do I need to take them to a vet? Thanks, Caroline Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:05:35 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: Kitten Question It could be coccidia or giardia. Both are very common in kittens. Coccidia is treated with albon, giardia with flagyl. It could be worms, but I'm thinking you wormed them already. On 9/25/07, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am down to three foster kittens now as one was integrated to the on-site adoption facility (the pet supply store) on Saturday. He was bigger and totally healthy and getting to be too much for me because he was the instigator and a bad influence on the other ones. He was a B/W little Kittler, so it figures! Of the three I have now, they seem to be having a touch of diarrhea? And I don't know what the cause is? I'm not doing anything different with them. They all get fed Wellness Wet Kitten food and Eagle Pack Holistic dry kitten. Each gets about a half of the small can of Wellness in the a.m., and the same in the evening. When I leave for work, after they have eaten the Wet food, they get the Eagle Dry- kind of free choice because they stay in crates when I am not home, so I like to leave them with some food. They are all drinking water fine, except for when they tip their waters over, but I don't think they go too long before I am able to get home and refill them and it doesn't happen every day (I just ordered coop cups from Revival, so these should solve that problem). On their wet food in the am I sprinkle L-Lysine free form powder and Brewer's yeast (and have been doing this for weeks now). In the pm, I do the same, but add a sprinkled on gel cap of Colostrum- about 290 mgs each. I just placed an order for Just Born with Colostrum and will be switching them to that when I get it. I think, but am not for sure, that they are June babies and I don't know if they are from the same litter- 2 might be, but I don't know for sure. The smallest now weighs 2.8 (and I should not that this is the only one that hasn't been fixed yet because it weighed too little, but now with me, it's a little eating and growing machine!). The biggest- Yoda- the first one I took in that I thought might die (weighed 2.4 lbs and they had him on the floor for adoption!?! with a raging URI!), anyway, he now weighs 3.6 lbs and I've had him since Labor Day Weekend He's a growing monster. So they all have healthy appetites and they are all gaining weight and getting noticeably bigger. They run and play like maniacs (they have so MUCH energy! My mom tells me to stop pumping them full of vitamins and supplements!) when I let them out of their crates twice a day for play-time. They are all well now-- it took 2 weeks to 14 days to bust those URI's out of them, but I finally did it. I stopped the Amoxicillin well over a week ago, so it can't be that causing the diarrhea? But now they seem to be having soft stools, if not actual diarrhea. Yoda seems to be having the diarrhea more (I can tell with him because he has a crate to himself and the other two share one). My first foster cat- which I guess I am keeping (!), she's 1 now and no longer a kitten but a big, healthy mature cat-- she gets the same protocol of supplements, except she gets fed 1/4 can of regular adult Wellness in the am and pm and free choice Wellness Dry Core. She mingles with the kittens now during
Re: OT: Kitten Question
I think the antibiotics could still be causing some problems in the system
causing diarrhea. I have a cat who's still having problems and has been off
the antibiotics for 2 weeks. Also, you might try mixing some canned pumpkin
(not pumpkin pie) to the wet food. Pumpkin seems to help with diarrhea as well
as constipation. Don't ask me why!
t
Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma }I am down to three foster kittens
now as one was integrated to the on-site adoption facility (the pet supply
store) on Saturday. He was bigger and totally healthy and getting to be too
much for me because he was the instigator and a bad influence on the other
ones. He was a B/W little Kittler, so it figures!
Of the three I have now, they seem to be having a touch of diarrhea? And I
don't know what the cause is? I'm not doing anything different with them.
They all get fed Wellness Wet Kitten food and Eagle Pack Holistic dry kitten.
Each gets about a half of the small can of Wellness in the a.m., and the same
in the evening. When I leave for work, after they have eaten the Wet food,
they get the Eagle Dry- kind of free choice because they stay in crates when I
am not home, so I like to leave them with some food. They are all drinking
water fine, except for when they tip their waters over, but I don't think they
go too long before I am able to get home and refill them and it doesn't happen
every day (I just ordered coop cups from Revival, so these should solve that
problem).
On their wet food in the am I sprinkle L-Lysine free form powder and Brewer's
yeast (and have been doing this for weeks now). In the pm, I do the same, but
add a sprinkled on gel cap of Colostrum- about 290 mgs each. I just placed an
order for Just Born with Colostrum and will be switching them to that when I
get it.
I think, but am not for sure, that they are June babies and I don't know if
they are from the same litter- 2 might be, but I don't know for sure. The
smallest now weighs 2.8 (and I should not that this is the only one that hasn't
been fixed yet because it weighed too little, but now with me, it's a little
eating and growing machine!). The biggest- Yoda- the first one I took in that
I thought might die (weighed 2.4 lbs and they had him on the floor for
adoption!?! with a raging URI!), anyway, he now weighs 3.6 lbs and I've had him
since Labor Day Weekend He's a growing monster.
So they all have healthy appetites and they are all gaining weight and getting
noticeably bigger. They run and play like maniacs (they have so MUCH energy!
My mom tells me to stop pumping them full of vitamins and supplements!) when I
let them out of their crates twice a day for play-time. They are all well
now-- it took 2 weeks to 14 days to bust those URI's out of them, but I finally
did it. I stopped the Amoxicillin well over a week ago, so it can't be that
causing the diarrhea? But now they seem to be having soft stools, if not
actual diarrhea. Yoda seems to be having the diarrhea more (I can tell with
him because he has a crate to himself and the other two share one). My first
foster cat- which I guess I am keeping (!), she's 1 now and no longer a
kitten but a big, healthy mature cat-- she gets the same protocol of
supplements, except she gets fed 1/4 can of regular adult Wellness in the am
and pm and free choice Wellness Dry Core. She mingles with the
kittens now during play-time and she is not having any diarrhea.
Does anyone have any thoughts about a possible cause of diarrhea and what I can
do about it?
I'd appreciate some help! I haven't had kittens since I was 10, so I just
don't know much about them...
-Caroline
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Re: OT: Kitten Question
Probiotics! That's what I couldn't think of. It's late! t Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Caroline, They may still be reacting to the antibiotics/amoxi. It tends to wipe out the good gut bacteria with the baddies. Try adding some probiotics to their food, or maybe try some plain yogurt with live cultures to help rebuild the good gut bacteria. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Tue, 25 Sep 2007, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:54:31 -0400 From: Caroline Kaufmann Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: Kitten Question I am down to three foster kittens now as one was integrated to the on-site adoption facility (the pet supply store) on Saturday. He was bigger and totally healthy and getting to be too much for me because he was the instigator and a bad influence on the other ones. He was a B/W little Kittler, so it figures! Of the three I have now, they seem to be having a touch of diarrhea? And I don't know what the cause is? I'm not doing anything different with them. They all get fed Wellness Wet Kitten food and Eagle Pack Holistic dry kitten. Each gets about a half of the small can of Wellness in the a.m., and the same in the evening. When I leave for work, after they have eaten the Wet food, they get the Eagle Dry- kind of free choice because they stay in crates when I am not home, so I like to leave them with some food. They are all drinking water fine, except for when they tip their waters over, but I don't think they go too long before I am able to get home and refill them and it doesn't happen every day (I just ordered coop cups from Revival, so these should solve that problem). On their wet food in the am I sprinkle L-Lysine free form powder and Brewer's yeast (and have been doing this for weeks now). In the pm, I do the same, but add a sprinkled on gel cap of Colostrum- about 290 mgs each. I just placed an order for Just Born with Colostrum and will be switching them to that when I get it. I think, but am not for sure, that they are June babies and I don't know if they are from the same litter- 2 might be, but I don't know for sure. The smallest now weighs 2.8 (and I should not that this is the only one that hasn't been fixed yet because it weighed too little, but now with me, it's a little eating and growing machine!). The biggest- Yoda- the first one I took in that I thought might die (weighed 2.4 lbs and they had him on the floor for adoption!?! with a raging URI!), anyway, he now weighs 3.6 lbs and I've had him since Labor Day Weekend He's a growing monster. So they all have healthy appetites and they are all gaining weight and getting noticeably bigger. They run and play like maniacs (they have so MUCH energy! My mom tells me to stop pumping them full of vitamins and supplements!) when I let them out of their crates twice a day for play-time. They are all well now-- it took 2 weeks to 14 days to bust those URI's out of them, but I finally did it. I stopped the Amoxicillin well over a week ago, so it can't be that causing the diarrhea? But now they seem to be having soft stools, if not actual diarrhea. Yoda seems to be having the diarrhea more (I can tell with him because he has a crate to himself and the other two share one). My first foster cat- which I guess I am keeping (!), she's 1 now and no longer a kitten but a big, healthy mature cat-- she gets the same protocol of supplements, except she gets fed 1/4 can of regular adult Wellness in the am and pm and free choice Wellness Dry Core. She mingles with the kittens now during play-time and she is not having any diarrhea. Does anyone have any thoughts about a possible cause of diarrhea and what I can do about it? I'd appreciate some help! I haven't had kittens since I was 10, so I just don't know much about them... -Caroline _ Gear up for Halo® 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. Its our way of saying thanks for using Windows Live. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2
RE: OT: Kitten Question
I agree. And not to gross everyone out there's a difference between constant,
runny diarrhea (that could cause dehydration and warrant a vet visit) and loose
stools when they normally would go anyway. Does that make sense? If they are
going all the time and it's watery, check for hydration. If it just happens
that when they do go their stool is not firm, I would give it some time. Try
the probiotics and pumpkin.
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Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }Caroline,
In my previous post, I mentioned how it took Ashley two weeks to get better
after the antibiotics had made it through. We had an appointment at the vet
scheduled for 2 weeks after finishing the medicine (to take stool samples), but
it turned out that she didnt need to go in since she was better. If it were me
with the high vet bills that I usually have, Id wait another week since they
just finished their antibiotics. But, Im not a vet or an expert. As long as
they are eating and drinking, I think that theyd be okay. But, please dont
chastise me anyone if this is bad advicejust set me straight!
Melissa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline
Kaufmann
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 2:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: RE: OT: Kitten Question
I am not sure about their worming schedule at this point- I took them in from
another volunteer/rescuer b/c she was overloaded and they weren't getting
proper care, so she has their records. All were given Advantage before they
came to me. I'm pretty sure they got a deworming tho, b/c I know they give
dewormer to kittens even smaller than these and I doubt the other volunteer
would have had them in her house with her other cats w/o first deworming.
Plus, I look for worms all the time and have never seen any.
Do I need to take them to a vet?
Thanks,
Caroline
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:05:35 -0500
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: OT: Kitten Question
It could be coccidia or giardia. Both are very common in kittens.
Coccidia is treated with albon, giardia with flagyl.
It could be worms, but I'm thinking you wormed them already.
On 9/25/07, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am down to three foster kittens now as one was integrated to the on-site
adoption facility (the pet supply store) on Saturday. He was bigger and
totally healthy and getting to be too much for me because he was the
instigator and a bad influence on the other ones. He was a B/W little
Kittler, so it figures!
Of the three I have now, they seem to be having a touch of diarrhea? And I
don't know what the cause is? I'm not doing anything different with them.
They all get fed Wellness Wet Kitten food and Eagle Pack Holistic dry
kitten. Each gets about a half of the small can of Wellness in the a.m.,
and the same in the evening. When I leave for work, after they have eaten
the Wet food, they get the Eagle Dry- kind of free choice because they stay
in crates when I am not home, so I like to leave them with some food. They
are all drinking water fine, except for when they tip their waters over, but
I don't think they go too long before I am able to get home and refill them
and it doesn't happen every day (I just ordered coop cups from Revival, so
these should solve that problem).
On their wet food in the am I sprinkle L-Lysine free form powder and
Brewer's yeast (and have been doing this for weeks now). In the pm, I do
the same, but add a sprinkled on gel cap of Colostrum- about 290 mgs each.
I just placed an order for Just Born with Colostrum and will be switching
them to that when I get it.
I think, but am not for sure, that they are June babies and I don't know if
they are from the same litter- 2 might be, but I don't know for sure. The
smallest now weighs 2.8 (and I should not that this is the only one that
hasn't been fixed yet because it weighed too little, but now with me, it's a
little eating and growing machine!). The biggest- Yoda- the first one I
took in that I thought might die (weighed 2.4 lbs and they had him on the
floor for adoption!?! with a raging URI!), anyway, he now weighs 3.6 lbs and
I've had him since Labor Day Weekend He's a growing monster.
So they all have healthy appetites and they are all gaining weight and
getting noticeably bigger. They run and play like maniacs (they have so
MUCH energy! My mom tells me to stop pumping them full of vitamins and
supplements!) when I let them out of their crates twice a day for play-time.
They are all well now-- it took 2 weeks to 14 days to bust those URI's out
of them, but I finally did it. I
