Re: coughing, sneezing allergies
his lungs are clear. doesn't that rule out asthma?? laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes. or asthma (which can be manifestation of allergies). - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:21 AM Subject: Re: coughing, sneezing allergies I have wondered if Sneaker's sneezing/breathing problems could be allergy related. The vet seems to think it's herpes virus... I have started adding lysine to his food. t Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about the same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye crud typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I can only assume it slows the herpes virus down. A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He is now eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the most. He was having issues with his coat and this was a test to see if it helped. His fur was all over the house and always came out in clumps. I am happy to report he is no longer losing fur in clumps. His coat is still scruffy as my vet calls it, but I think that is more a grooming issue. Before he was on canned IAMS. He still free feeds on IAMS multicat. I have several porkers in the house, I was hoping this would help. Not sure it has made any difference other than the catfood bill going up. I need to weigh one of them to see. A very nasty day here in VA. Hope everyone is warm. Sally On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:29 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently having similar problems with my Sneaker. His lungs are clear. He has had an upper resp. infection for weeks now, months really. they did a culture and found he had a staph infection, but that part is cleared up. He is on his 4th round of antibiotics. the vet thinks it's viral and could be herpes. He hasn't been a ton of help. If anyone has any ideas I would love to hear them. tonya Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laurie, This really got my curiosity, my Joey has episodes where his purr sounds wet, rumbly and his breathing too, is how I would described it to my vet. She has checked his lungs when he is having one of these episodes and says his lungs are clear, that it is contained to his sinuses. He has never had coughing but I'm curious, can he have asthma without coughing. These epsodes don't seem to bother him, they affect me more than him, he doesn't seem to notice them at all. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
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Thank you for this info. from me, too, Sally. I've got 2 sick cats and a sick dog, and have been sick myself, so I am way behind. tonya Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lynne It is one of several viruses that cause most kitty colds/flu it is : Feline rhinotracheitis virus (feline herpesvirus type 1 or FHV-1) causes acute respiratory illness known as rhinotracheitis (or feline herpesvirus infection). The virus affects domestic and wild cats worldwide. The following website gives more information http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/rhinotracheitis/ They can test for it. The other common virus is FCV feline calicivirus http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/calicivirus/index.shtml Hope this helps. I assume Junior has the 1st one because of the eye infection he had a year ago is classic symptom. The FCV causes mouth ulcers. Junior does not get these. How is BooBoo doing? Sally On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, when you refer to herpes which herpes virus are you referring to, the one that is sexually transmitted or the one that causes cold sores. I just noticed today that BooBoo seems to have a bit of a discharge from his eyes, nothing I would personally be alarmed about, kind of like any other animal that gets a bit of gunk in his eyes. We've started him back on his Doxycycline because the breathing issue seems to have settled. My vet didn't bother to culture the fluid on his lungs so who knows what we are dealing with here. Like I've said, I really like this vet on a personal level but he is so determined that Boo is going to die, TODAY, that in my opinion he isn't being conscientious enough. Every time we talk to him or see him, he says the same thing, you understand that this is the end stage and he doesn't really seem to want to save him. Gosh, even this very cynical doctor in our building at work asked me about him yesterday and told me to offer as much paliative care as is reasonable before euthanizing him. This doc is so funny. He took time off work to go and assist in the spaying of his dog along with his vet. I don't know if you have access to Recovery food but it is the only thing our BooBoo will eat and he eats a good amount of it. The main ingredient is chicken liver and fish oil. I tried giving him regular chicken liver but he turned his nose up at it. It's 2 bucks a can. I think it's a good deal though because a little seems to fill him up. Our other pig cat will eat anything you put in front of him, except this, fortunately. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 5:33 PM Subject: Re: coughing This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about the same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye crud typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I can only assume it slows the herpes virus down. A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He is now eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the most. He was having issues with his coat and this was a test to see if it helped. His fur was all over the house and always came out in clumps. I am happy to report he is no longer losing fur in clumps. His coat is still scruffy as my vet calls it, but I think that is more a grooming issue. Before he was on canned IAMS. He still free feeds on IAMS multicat. I have se veral porkers in the house, I was hoping this would help. Not sure it has made any difference other than the catfood bill going up. I need to weigh one of them to see. A very nasty day here in VA. Hope everyone is warm. Sally On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:29 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently having similar problems with my Sneaker. His lungs are clear. He has had an upper resp. infection for weeks now, months really. they did a culture and found he had a staph infection, but that part is cleared up. He is on his 4th round of antibiotics. the vet thinks it's viral and could be herpes. He hasn't been a ton of help. If anyone has any ideas I would love to hear them. tonya Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laurie, This really got my curiosity, my Joey has episodes where his purr sounds wet, rumbly and his breathing too, is how I would described it to my vet. She has checked his lungs when he is having one of these episodes and says his lungs are clear, that it is contained to his sinuses. He has never had coughing but I'm curious, can he have asthma without coughing. These epsodes don't seem to bother him, they affect me more than him, he doesn't seem to notice them at all. -- Belinda happiness is being
Re: coughing, sneezing allergies
yes. or asthma (which can be manifestation of allergies). - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:21 AM Subject: Re: coughing, sneezing allergies I have wondered if Sneaker's sneezing/breathing problems could be allergy related. The vet seems to think it's herpes virus... I have started adding lysine to his food. t Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about the same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye crud typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I can only assume it slows the herpes virus down. A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He is now eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the most. He was having issues with his coat and this was a test to see if it helped. His fur was all over the house and always came out in clumps. I am happy to report he is no longer losing fur in clumps. His coat is still scruffy as my vet calls it, but I think that is more a grooming issue. Before he was on canned IAMS. He still free feeds on IAMS multicat. I have several porkers in the house, I was hoping this would help. Not sure it has made any difference other than the catfood bill going up. I need to weigh one of them to see. A very nasty day here in VA. Hope everyone is warm. Sally On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:29 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently having similar problems with my Sneaker. His lungs are clear. He has had an upper resp. infection for weeks now, months really. they did a culture and found he had a staph infection, but that part is cleared up. He is on his 4th round of antibiotics. the vet thinks it's viral and could be herpes. He hasn't been a ton of help. If anyone has any ideas I would love to hear them. tonya Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laurie, This really got my curiosity, my Joey has episodes where his purr sounds wet, rumbly and his breathing too, is how I would described it to my vet. She has checked his lungs when he is having one of these episodes and says his lungs are clear, that it is contained to his sinuses. He has never had coughing but I'm curious, can he have asthma without coughing. These epsodes don't seem to bother him, they affect me more than him, he doesn't seem to notice them at all. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: coughing, sneezing allergies
I have wondered if Sneaker's sneezing/breathing problems could be allergy related. The vet seems to think it's herpes virus... I have started adding lysine to his food. t Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about the same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye crud typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I can only assume it slows the herpes virus down. A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He is now eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the most. He was having issues with his coat and this was a test to see if it helped. His fur was all over the house and always came out in clumps. I am happy to report he is no longer losing fur in clumps. His coat is still scruffy as my vet calls it, but I think that is more a grooming issue. Before he was on canned IAMS. He still free feeds on IAMS multicat. I have several porkers in the house, I was hoping this would help. Not sure it has made any difference other than the catfood bill going up. I need to weigh one of them to see. A very nasty day here in VA. Hope everyone is warm. Sally On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:29 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently having similar problems with my Sneaker. His lungs are clear. He has had an upper resp. infection for weeks now, months really. they did a culture and found he had a staph infection, but that part is cleared up. He is on his 4th round of antibiotics. the vet thinks it's viral and could be herpes. He hasn't been a ton of help. If anyone has any ideas I would love to hear them. tonya Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laurie, This really got my curiosity, my Joey has episodes where his purr sounds wet, rumbly and his breathing too, is how I would described it to my vet. She has checked his lungs when he is having one of these episodes and says his lungs are clear, that it is contained to his sinuses. He has never had coughing but I'm curious, can he have asthma without coughing. These epsodes don't seem to bother him, they affect me more than him, he doesn't seem to notice them at all. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
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Lynne, I am SO glad you're looking for another vet. You and BooBoo need a vet who's supportive in every way--who has a positive outlook AND proactive. Good luck. Keep us posted when you have time. hugs, Kerry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lynne Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: coughing We had to go out to visit my dad today Marylyn so I reluctantly left BooBoo alone sleeping. When we got home I went upstairs and lay down with him and even though he didn't open his eyes he began purring. I told Bob what you said about the amount of sleep they need so we've determined not to bug him so much. He did pee and poo while we were gone and went up on the bed to sleep. He is breathing better now. Still have the appointment tomorrow because they couldn't see us today. There were two emergencies apparently. Big friggin deal. If a vets office can't handle two emergencies and one sick cat in a day, I give up. I am searching for another vet. I have a lead on a good one. This guy told Bob he would analyse the fluid and get back to us and he just got rid of it. Like I've said, everything he has done for us so far has been after I've read up on the disease or read these posts and told him my suggestions. He obviously thinks we are fighting a losing battle here and doesn't have Boo's best interest at heart. We will persevere because neither Boo or we want him dead yet. I actually have some catnip in the garden despite this miserable cold weather. I'll give it a shot. I wish cats liked lavender because I have a lot of that and it is supposed to be calming for people. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: Re: coughing Try spraying Rescue Remedy or Cat Nap around him a few minutes before you pill him. Check with a holistic vet if you are having trouble with the status quo. Basically, ask yourself what you have to gain and what you have to lose. It is an awful situation. Been there. Done that. With various critters and various physical problems. I would never give up the total pleasure of their company and the wisdom of their teachingsin spite of the frustration and pain and all the other emotions..each friend taught me and gave me so much. Here is where I get too emotional. On Feb 23, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Lynne wrote: _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer Brown LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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I saw that instrument on a search for giving cats pills Dorothy. I agree about the liquid stuff. It can't help but stick in their throats and drive them nuts if they hate it. I wish they made every medication in a trans dermal form. My old guy enjoys having his thyroid medication massaged into his ear. That's a hoot about Armond spitting in your face. I've only been sneezed in the face. I'd be dead by now if this disease were transmittable to humans. He's sneezed in my face on a few occasions. My fault though. I probably shouldn't be kissing his little nose as much as I do. Lynne - Original Message - From: Dorothy Noble To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 10:40 PM Subject: Re: coughing Sorry, just kind of joined the discussion on pills...I have always used a pill gun - I got mine from the vet. (It cost me $5.00 and has truly been a lifesaver.) Sorry if I am duplicating other's suggestions... My cats would NEVER eat anything with a pill in it. The pill gun is like a syringe-type thing and you just put it to the back of the throat - and your fingers are safe. If you are worried about them taking the pill dry, you can then follow with a syri nge of water or broth. It was the only way I could ever get Aggie to take a pill (my diabetic cat who died of cancer 2 months ago). It is so much easier than trying to get them to take something nasty from a dropper - like Clinidrops (Clindrops?) That is so bitter and the only reason I tasted it was because Armond actually spit it in my face. I wouldn't take it either without a fight! Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't realize he was a flat-faced cat. New thought. There are little bowls chefs use for various ingredients before they mix and cook. I am struggling to find a name. They are shallow but the sides slope gently. They are really neat for cats and might help keep the food from spreading. It doesn't sound gross either. I'll work on the name but they aren't that difficult to find and, like I said, keep the food from spreading. Consider raising the bowl. Dixie has a little table that raises her bowl maybe 4 inches. She really doesn't need it but I started raising bowls when Kitty started having reflux problems due to pancreas cancer. It really helped her so all my inside critters have raised food bowls. Kitty could hide pills. I could put them so far back in her throat, watch her swallow several times, then find the pill on the floor in a few minutes. They are amazing. And totally worth all we do in their behalf. On Feb 23, 2008, at 4:44 PM, Lynne wrote: Marylyn, when we feed BooBoo it's necessary for at least one of us, more often both of us to sit on either side of him and disgusting as it sounds, push his food by finger into the centre. With his little flat face it's hard for him to to eat anything that is spread out. That's when he starts his snorting. We watch that piece of food with the drug in it until we see him eat it and go on to the next piece. I can't believe some of the stupid things we do for him. I did taste the liquid Doxy that is supposed to be grilled chicken flavored. It isn't bad but he hates it. I'd rather do the pill. I have never had a problem with our other cat. He' s always been a big boy so I would just sit him on my lap and do the job. He doesn't fight like Boo does. We're trying to keep his life as stress free as possible. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 5:09 PM Subject: Re: coughing Good job. Kitty acted like she swallowed pills--I found them days and weeks after she left this world. Cats are very sneaky. I suspect that hiding the pill or coating it will make it better. I've tasted various meds for mine what were supposed to be neutral. They were awful. Frankly, I can't remember wha Lasix tastes like. It sounds like the cat nip worked and it may be your answer. On Feb 23, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Lynne wrote: I'll look into the Feliway and the rescue remedy. We managed to get several catnip sprigs from outside and BooBoo went nuts over it. We had him out in the patio for fresh air and he didn't want to come in. I couldn't handle the cold any longer. He and Lennie sat only a foot or so from each other enjoying their nip and Boo who is a sucky cat held his ground and when I put Len on my lap he just stared and stared at him. Then he did his rip away at the bottom stair and is upstairs eating again. He loves life I think and has no intention of leaving. I gave him his last dose of Lasix today by putting it in a piece of salmon. Since he was so hungry he didn't notice it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk
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Marilyn thank you for reminding me of that. My husband keeps telling me that this is what cats do as well. I probably drive the little guy nuts by checking him out every half hour. He's different in all ways from our Lennie and our former Chuck. They were very dependant cats, wanting a lot of holding and petting. Not this guy. If you pet him too much he will get up, turn away from you,, collapse and bury his face between his paws and shoot nasty glances. He's very much aloof. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 10:24 PM Subject: Re: coughing Please remember that cats normally sleep around 75% of the time. We are supposed to sleep over 30%. He may just be doing what cats do. Please don't read too much into things. It will rob you of the pleasure of his company. I learned the hard way. On Feb 22, 2008, at 8:05 PM, Lynne wrote: Thanks Sally. From what I read on those sites, BooBoo's situation sounds more chronic than acute. He has a bit of runny nose, snorts when he eats and occasionally sneezes. It seems to be more of a nuisance than a problem. I've told the vet about it but he kind of dismissed it. Boo has had 2 really good days. His breathing is pretty much normal now and he went out for fresh air twice today. He was being all sweet and purring tonight. I'm afraid Bob and I are really spoiling him. We get our exercise by running upstairs every half hour or so to tell him what a good boy he is. He's very tired though and sleeps most of the time. We don't expect a lot from him but he seems pretty content. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: Re: coughing Hi Lynne It is one of several viruses that cause most kitty colds/flu it is : Feline rhinotracheitis virus (feline herpesvirus type 1 or FHV-1) causes acute respiratory illness known as rhinotracheitis (or feline herpesvirus infection). The virus affects domestic and wild cats worldwide. The following website gives more information http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/rhinotracheitis/ They can test for it. The other common virus is FCV feline calicivirus http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/calicivirus/index.shtml Hope this helps. I assume Junior has the 1st one because of the eye infection he had a year ago is classic symptom. The FCV causes mouth ulcers. Junior does not get these. How is BooBoo doing? Sally On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, when you refer to herpes which herpes virus are you referring to, the one that is sexually transmitted or the one that causes cold sores. I just noticed today that BooBoo seems to have a bit of a discharge from his eyes, nothing I would personally be alarmed about, kind of like any other animal that gets a bit of gunk in his eyes. We've started him back on his Doxycycline because the breathing issue seems to have settled. My vet didn't bother to culture the fluid on his lungs so who knows what we are dealing with here. Like I've said, I really like this vet on a personal level but he is so determined that Boo is going to die, TODAY, that in my opinion he isn't being conscientious enough. Every time we talk to him or see him, he says the same thing, you understand that this is the end stage and he doesn't really seem to want to save him. Gosh, even this very cynical doctor in our building at work asked me about him yesterday and told me to offer as much paliative care as is reasonable before euthanizing him. This doc is so funny. He took time off work to go and assist in the spaying of his dog along with his vet. I don't know if you have access to Recovery food but it is the only thing our BooBoo will eat and he eats a good amount of it. The main ingredient is chicken liver and fish oil. I tried giving him regular chicken liver but he turned his nose up at it. It's 2 bucks a can. I think it's a good deal though because a little seems to fill him up. Our other pig cat will eat anything you put in front of him, except this, fortunately. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 5:33 PM Subject: Re: coughing This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about the same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye crud typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I can only assume it slows the herpes virus down. A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He is now
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Perhaps he has to remind you that petting HIM is an honor and privilege to be earnedand not by waking him up all the tmie. How would you like it if someone insisted on waking you up in the middle of a dream where you were hunting mice? On Feb 23, 2008, at 6:53 AM, Lynne wrote: Marilyn thank you for reminding me of that. My husband keeps telling me that this is what cats do as well. I probably drive the little guy nuts by checking him out every half hour. He's different in all ways from our Lennie and our former Chuck. They were very dependant cats, wanting a lot of holding and petting. Not this guy. If you pet him too much he will get up, turn away from you,, collapse and bury his face between his paws and shoot nasty glances. He's very much aloof. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 10:24 PM Subject: Re: coughing Please remember that cats normally sleep around 75% of the time. We are supposed to sleep over 30%. He may just be doing what cats do. Please don't read too much into things. It will rob you of the pleasure of his company. I learned the hard way. On Feb 22, 2008, at 8:05 PM, Lynne wrote: Thanks Sally. From what I read on those sites, BooBoo's situation sounds more chronic than acute. He has a bit of runny nose, snorts when he eats and occasionally sneezes. It seems to be more of a nuisance than a problem. I've told the vet about it but he kind of dismissed it. Boo has had 2 really good days. His breathing is pretty much normal now and he went out for fresh air twice today. He was being all sweet and purring tonight. I'm afraid Bob and I are really spoiling him. We get our exercise by running upstairs every half hour or so to tell him what a good boy he is. He's very tired though and sleeps most of the time. We don't expect a lot from him but he seems pretty content. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: Re: coughing Hi Lynne It is one of several viruses that cause most kitty colds/flu it is : Feline rhinotracheitis virus (feline herpesvirus type 1 or FHV-1) causes acute respiratory illness known as rhinotracheitis (or feline herpesvirus infection). The virus affects domestic and wild cats worldwide. The following website gives more information http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/rhinotracheitis/ They can test for it. The other common virus is FCV feline calicivirus http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/calicivirus/index.shtml Hope this helps. I assume Junior has the 1st one because of the eye infection he had a year ago is classic symptom. The FCV causes mouth ulcers. Junior does not get these. How is BooBoo doing? Sally On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, when you refer to herpes which herpes virus are you referring to, the one that is sexually transmitted or the one that causes cold sores. I just noticed today that BooBoo seems to have a bit of a discharge from his eyes, nothing I would personally be alarmed about, kind of like any other animal that gets a bit of gunk in his eyes. We've started him back on his Doxycycline because the breathing issue seems to have settled. My vet didn't bother to culture the fluid on his lungs so who knows what we are dealing with here. Like I've said, I really like this vet on a personal level but he is so determined that Boo is going to die, TODAY, that in my opinion he isn't being conscientious enough. Every time we talk to him or see him, he says the same thing, you understand that this is the end stage and he doesn't really seem to want to save him. Gosh, even this very cynical doctor in our building at work asked me about him yesterday and told me to offer as much paliative care as is reasonable before euthanizing him. This doc is so funny. He took time off work to go and assist in the spaying of his dog along with his vet. I don't know if you have access to Recovery food but it is the only thing our BooBoo will eat and he eats a good amount of it. The main ingredient is chicken liver and fish oil. I tried giving him regular chicken liver but he turned his nose up at it. It's 2 bucks a can. I think it's a good deal though because a little seems to fill him up. Our other pig cat will eat anything you put in front of him, except this, fortunately. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 5:33 PM Subject: Re: coughing This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about the same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye crud typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over
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Absolutely Marilynn. I know I shouldn't be looking for abnormalities but damn it his breathing seems to be labored again today. He was purring excessively loud and started to breath through his mouth. I managed to get his Lasix down him which causes hysteria in him but after that he ate all his food and is cleaning himself now, ears perked up and eyes wide open. He looks wonderful today and seems to be in a better mood than normal but I have a feeling before the day is over he'll be heading to the vet to have more fluid removed from his lungs. This is so frustrating. I don't think he's getting a high enough doseage of Lasix. There has to be something else to help him overcome this fluid accumulation. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 7:59 AM Subject: Re: coughing Perhaps he has to remind you that petting HIM is an honor and privilege to be earnedand not by waking him up all the tmie. How would you like it if someone insisted on waking you up in the middle of a dream where you were hunting mice? On Feb 23, 2008, at 6:53 AM, Lynne wrote: Marilyn thank you for reminding me of that. My husband keeps telling me that this is what cats do as well. I probably drive the little guy nuts by checking him out every half hour. He's different in all ways from our Lennie and our former Chuck. They were very dependant cats, wanting a lot of holding and petting. Not this guy. If you pet him too much he will get up, turn away from you,, collapse and bury his face between his paws and shoot nasty glances. He's very much aloof. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 10:24 PM Subject: Re: coughing Please remember that cats normally sleep around 75% of the time. We are supposed to sleep over 30%. He may just be doing what cats do. Please don't read too much into things. It will rob you of the pleasure of his company. I learned the hard way. On Feb 22, 2008, at 8:05 PM, Lynne wrote: Thanks Sally. From what I read on those sites, BooBoo's situation sounds more chronic than acute. He has a bit of runny nose, snorts when he eats and occasionally sneezes. It seems to be more of a nuisance than a problem. I've told the vet about it but he kind of dismissed it. Boo has had 2 really good days. His breathing is pretty much normal now and he went out for fresh air twice today. He was being all sweet and purring tonight. I'm afraid Bob and I are really spoiling him. We get our exercise by running upstairs every half hour or so to tell him what a good boy he is. He's very tired though and sleeps most of the time. We don't expect a lot from him but he seems pretty content. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: Re: coughing Hi Lynne It is one of several viruses that cause most kitty colds/flu it is : Feline rhinotracheitis virus (feline herpesvirus type 1 or FHV-1) causes acute respiratory illness known as rhinotracheitis (or feline herpesvirus infection). The virus affects domestic and wild cats worldwide. The following website gives more information http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/rhinotracheitis/ They can test for it. The other common virus is FCV feline calicivirus http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/calicivirus/index.shtml Hope this helps. I assume Junior has the 1st one because of the eye infection he had a year ago is classic symptom. The FCV causes mouth ulcers. Junior does not get these. How is BooBoo doing? Sally On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, when you refer to herpes which herpes virus are you referring to, the one that is sexually transmitted or the one that causes cold sores. I just noticed today that BooBoo seems to have a bit of a discharge from his eyes, nothing I would personally be alarmed about, kind of like any other animal that gets a bit of gunk in his eyes. We've started him back on his Doxycycline because the breathing issue seems to have settled. My vet didn't bother to culture the fluid on his lungs so who knows what we are dealing with here. Like I've said, I really like this vet on a personal level but he is so determined that Boo is going to die, TODAY, that in my opinion he isn't being conscientious enough. Every time we talk to him or see him, he says the same thing, you understand that this is the end stage and he doesn't really seem to want to save him. Gosh, even this very cynical doctor in our building at work asked me about him
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Try spraying Rescue Remedy or Cat Nap around him a few minutes before you pill him. Check with a holistic vet if you are having trouble with the status quo. Basically, ask yourself what you have to gain and what you have to lose. It is an awful situation. Been there. Done that. With various critters and various physical problems. I would never give up the total pleasure of their company and the wisdom of their teachingsin spite of the frustration and pain and all the other emotions..each friend taught me and gave me so much. Here is where I get too emotional. On Feb 23, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Lynne wrote: Absolutely Marilynn. I know I shouldn't be looking for abnormalities but damn it his breathing seems to be labored again today. He was purring excessively loud and started to breath through his mouth. I managed to get his Lasix down him which causes hysteria in him but after that he ate all his food and is cleaning himself now, ears perked up and eyes wide open. He looks wonderful today and seems to be in a better mood than normal but I have a feeling before the day is over he'll be heading to the vet to have more fluid removed from his lungs. This is so frustrating. I don't think he's getting a high enough doseage of Lasix. There has to be something else to help him overcome this fluid accumulation. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 7:59 AM Subject: Re: coughing Perhaps he has to remind you that petting HIM is an honor and privilege to be earnedand not by waking him up all the tmie. How would you like it if someone insisted on waking you up in the middle of a dream where you were hunting mice? On Feb 23, 2008, at 6:53 AM, Lynne wrote: Marilyn thank you for reminding me of that. My husband keeps telling me that this is what cats do as well. I probably drive the little guy nuts by checking him out every half hour. He's different in all ways from our Lennie and our former Chuck. They were very dependant cats, wanting a lot of holding and petting. Not this guy. If you pet him too much he will get up, turn away from you,, collapse and bury his face between his paws and shoot nasty glances. He's very much aloof. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 10:24 PM Subject: Re: coughing Please remember that cats normally sleep around 75% of the time. We are supposed to sleep over 30%. He may just be doing what cats do. Please don't read too much into things. It will rob you of the pleasure of his company. I learned the hard way. On Feb 22, 2008, at 8:05 PM, Lynne wrote: Thanks Sally. From what I read on those sites, BooBoo's situation sounds more chronic than acute. He has a bit of runny nose, snorts when he eats and occasionally sneezes. It seems to be more of a nuisance than a problem. I've told the vet about it but he kind of dismissed it. Boo has had 2 really good days. His breathing is pretty much normal now and he went out for fresh air twice today. He was being all sweet and purring tonight. I'm afraid Bob and I are really spoiling him. We get our exercise by running upstairs every half hour or so to tell him what a good boy he is. He's very tired though and sleeps most of the time. We don't expect a lot from him but he seems pretty content. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: Re: coughing Hi Lynne It is one of several viruses that cause most kitty colds/flu it is : Feline rhinotracheitis virus (feline herpesvirus type 1 or FHV-1) causes acute respiratory illness known as rhinotracheitis (or feline herpesvirus infection). The virus affects domestic and wild cats worldwide. The following website gives more information http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/rhinotracheitis/ They can test for it. The other common virus is FCV feline calicivirus http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/calicivirus/index.shtml Hope this helps. I assume Junior has the 1st one because of the eye infection he had a year ago is classic symptom. The FCV causes mouth ulcers. Junior does not get these. How is BooBoo doing? Sally On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, when you refer to herpes which herpes virus are you referring to, the one that is sexually transmitted or the one that causes cold sores. I just noticed today that BooBoo seems to have a bit of a discharge from his eyes, nothing I would personally be alarmed about, kind of like any other animal that gets a bit of gunk in his eyes. We've started him back on his Doxycycline because the breathing issue seems to have settled. My vet didn't bother to culture the fluid on his lungs so who knows what we
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We had to go out to visit my dad today Marylyn so I reluctantly left BooBoo alone sleeping. When we got home I went upstairs and lay down with him and even though he didn't open his eyes he began purring. I told Bob what you said about the amount of sleep they need so we've determined not to bug him so much. He did pee and poo while we were gone and went up on the bed to sleep. He is breathing better now. Still have the appointment tomorrow because they couldn't see us today. There were two emergencies apparently. Big friggin deal. If a vets office can't handle two emergencies and one sick cat in a day, I give up. I am searching for another vet. I have a lead on a good one. This guy told Bob he would analyse the fluid and get back to us and he just got rid of it. Like I've said, everything he has done for us so far has been after I've read up on the disease or read these posts and told him my suggestions. He obviously thinks we are fighting a losing battle here and doesn't have Boo's best interest at heart. We will persevere because neither Boo or we want him dead yet. I actually have some catnip in the garden despite this miserable cold weather. I'll give it a shot. I wish cats liked lavender because I have a lot of that and it is supposed to be calming for people. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: Re: coughing Try spraying Rescue Remedy or Cat Nap around him a few minutes before you pill him. Check with a holistic vet if you are having trouble with the status quo. Basically, ask yourself what you have to gain and what you have to lose. It is an awful situation. Been there. Done that. With various critters and various physical problems. I would never give up the total pleasure of their company and the wisdom of their teachingsin spite of the frustration and pain and all the other emotions..each friend taught me and gave me so much. Here is where I get too emotional. On Feb 23, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Lynne wrote:
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Cat Nap not catnip...it is a combination of essential oils that are appropriate for cats.so many are dangerous to them. I got mine from http://www.horizonvetserv.com/ because I know the vet and her training. Rescue Remedy is available most places. However, an angel apparently sat on your shoulder and mentioned the catniptry it and see how he likes it. I keep 3 pas (goat feeder rubber pans) with various grasses and catnip for Dixie. They are big enough for her to roll around it and enjoy herself. I can't say they look great.then I can't say I care. There are others on the site who are familiar with Dr. Maiers and/or Dr. Boswell if you can't find a holistic vet. I had a cat with cancer who was impossible to pill. It was heartbreaking. Your little buddy just needs for you to calm down and help him calm down. How would you like someone 100 times bigger than you picking you up, forcing open your mouth and forcing something down your throat? Especially if that person was giving off all the vibes of panic? You might try Feliway spray on yourself and his room too. It is very calming. It helped The Royal Princess Kitty Katt accept me. Don't give it up. Enjoy the time you have. It doesn't matter how long or how short. On Feb 23, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Lynne wrote: We had to go out to visit my dad today Marylyn so I reluctantly left BooBoo alone sleeping. When we got home I went upstairs and lay down with him and even though he didn't open his eyes he began purring. I told Bob what you said about the amount of sleep they need so we've determined not to bug him so much. He did pee and poo while we were gone and went up on the bed to sleep. He is breathing better now. Still have the appointment tomorrow because they couldn't see us today. There were two emergencies apparently. Big friggin deal. If a vets office can't handle two emergencies and one sick cat in a day, I give up. I am searching for another vet. I have a lead on a good one. This guy told Bob he would analyse the fluid and get back to us and he just got rid of it. Like I've said, everything he has done for us so far has been after I've read up on the disease or read these posts and told him my suggestions. He obviously thinks we are fighting a losing battle here and doesn't have Boo's best interest at heart. We will persevere because neither Boo or we want him dead yet. I actually have some catnip in the garden despite this miserable cold weather. I'll give it a shot. I wish cats liked lavender because I have a lot of that and it is supposed to be calming for people. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: Re: coughing Try spraying Rescue Remedy or Cat Nap around him a few minutes before you pill him. Check with a holistic vet if you are having trouble with the status quo. Basically, ask yourself what you have to gain and what you have to lose. It is an awful situation. Been there. Done that. With various critters and various physical problems. I would never give up the total pleasure of their company and the wisdom of their teachingsin spite of the frustration and pain and all the other emotions..each friend taught me and gave me so much. Here is where I get too emotional. On Feb 23, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Lynne wrote:
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I'll look into the Feliway and the rescue remedy. We managed to get several catnip sprigs from outside and BooBoo went nuts over it. We had him out in the patio for fresh air and he didn't want to come in. I couldn't handle the cold any longer. He and Lennie sat only a foot or so from each other enjoying their nip and Boo who is a sucky cat held his ground and when I put Len on my lap he just stared and stared at him. Then he did his rip away at the bottom stair and is upstairs eating again. He loves life I think and has no intention of leaving. I gave him his last dose of Lasix today by putting it in a piece of salmon. Since he was so hungry he didn't notice it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:35 PM Subject: Re: coughing Cat Nap not catnip...it is a combination of essential oils that are appropriate for cats.so many are dangerous to them. I got mine from http://www.horizonvetserv.com/ because I know the vet and her training. Rescue Remedy is available most places. However, an angel apparently sat on your shoulder and mentioned the catniptry it and see how he likes it. I keep 3 pas (goat feeder rubber pans) with various grasses and catnip for Dixie. They are big enough for her to roll around it and enjoy herself. I can't say they look great.then I can't say I care. There are others on the site who are familiar with Dr. Maiers and/or Dr. Boswell if you can't find a holistic vet. I had a cat with cancer who was impossible to pill. It was heartbreaking. Your little buddy just needs for you to calm down and help him calm down. How would you like someone 100 times bigger than you picking you up, forcing open your mouth and forcing something down your throat? Especially if that person was giving off all the vibes of panic? You might try Feliway spray on yourself and his room too. It is very calming. It helped The Royal Princess Kitty Katt accept me. Don't give it up. Enjoy the time you have. It doesn't matter how long or how short. On Feb 23, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Lynne wrote: We had to go out to visit my dad today Marylyn so I reluctantly left BooBoo alone sleeping. When we got home I went upstairs and lay down with him and even though he didn't open his eyes he began purring. I told Bob what you said about the amount of sleep they need so we've determined not to bug him so much. He did pee and poo while we were gone and went up on the bed to sleep. He is breathing better now. Still have the appointment tomorrow because they couldn't see us today. There were two emergencies apparently. Big friggin deal. If a vets office can't handle two emergencies and one sick cat in a day, I give up. I am searching for another vet. I have a lead on a good one. This guy told Bob he would analyse the fluid and get back to us and he just got rid of it. Like I've said, everything he has done for us so far has been after I've read up on the disease or read these posts and told him my suggestions. He obviously thinks we are fighting a losing battle here and doesn't have Boo's best interest at heart. We will persevere because neither Boo or we want him dead yet. I actually have some catnip in the garden despite this miserable cold weather. I'll give it a shot. I wish cats liked lavender because I have a lot of that and it is supposed to be calming for people. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: Re: coughing Try spraying Rescue Remedy or Cat Nap around him a few minutes before you pill him. Check with a holistic vet if you are having trouble with the status quo. Basically, ask yourself what you have to gain and what you have to lose. It is an awful situation. Been there. Done that. With various critters and various physical problems. I would never give up the total pleasure of their company and the wisdom of their teachingsin spite of the frustration and pain and all the other emotions..each friend taught me and gave me so much. Here is where I get too emotional. On Feb 23, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Lynne wrote:
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Good job. Kitty acted like she swallowed pills--I found them days and weeks after she left this world. Cats are very sneaky. I suspect that hiding the pill or coating it will make it better. I've tasted various meds for mine what were supposed to be neutral. They were awful. Frankly, I can't remember wha Lasix tastes like. It sounds like the cat nip worked and it may be your answer. On Feb 23, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Lynne wrote: I'll look into the Feliway and the rescue remedy. We managed to get several catnip sprigs from outside and BooBoo went nuts over it. We had him out in the patio for fresh air and he didn't want to come in. I couldn't handle the cold any longer. He and Lennie sat only a foot or so from each other enjoying their nip and Boo who is a sucky cat held his ground and when I put Len on my lap he just stared and stared at him. Then he did his rip away at the bottom stair and is upstairs eating again. He loves life I think and has no intention of leaving. I gave him his last dose of Lasix today by putting it in a piece of salmon. Since he was so hungry he didn't notice it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:35 PM Subject: Re: coughing Cat Nap not catnip...it is a combination of essential oils that are appropriate for cats.so many are dangerous to them. I got mine from http://www.horizonvetserv.com/ because I know the vet and her training. Rescue Remedy is available most places. However, an angel apparently sat on your shoulder and mentioned the catniptry it and see how he likes it. I keep 3 pas (goat feeder rubber pans) with various grasses and catnip for Dixie. They are big enough for her to roll around it and enjoy herself. I can't say they look great.then I can't say I care. There are others on the site who are familiar with Dr. Maiers and/or Dr. Boswell if you can't find a holistic vet. I had a cat with cancer who was impossible to pill. It was heartbreaking. Your little buddy just needs for you to calm down and help him calm down. How would you like someone 100 times bigger than you picking you up, forcing open your mouth and forcing something down your throat? Especially if that person was giving off all the vibes of panic? You might try Feliway spray on yourself and his room too. It is very calming. It helped The Royal Princess Kitty Katt accept me. Don't give it up. Enjoy the time you have. It doesn't matter how long or how short. On Feb 23, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Lynne wrote: We had to go out to visit my dad today Marylyn so I reluctantly left BooBoo alone sleeping. When we got home I went upstairs and lay down with him and even though he didn't open his eyes he began purring. I told Bob what you said about the amount of sleep they need so we've determined not to bug him so much. He did pee and poo while we were gone and went up on the bed to sleep. He is breathing better now. Still have the appointment tomorrow because they couldn't see us today. There were two emergencies apparently. Big friggin deal. If a vets office can't handle two emergencies and one sick cat in a day, I give up. I am searching for another vet. I have a lead on a good one. This guy told Bob he would analyse the fluid and get back to us and he just got rid of it. Like I've said, everything he has done for us so far has been after I've read up on the disease or read these posts and told him my suggestions. He obviously thinks we are fighting a losing battle here and doesn't have Boo's best interest at heart. We will persevere because neither Boo or we want him dead yet. I actually have some catnip in the garden despite this miserable cold weather. I'll give it a shot. I wish cats liked lavender because I have a lot of that and it is supposed to be calming for people. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: Re: coughing Try spraying Rescue Remedy or Cat Nap around him a few minutes before you pill him. Check with a holistic vet if you are having trouble with the status quo. Basically, ask yourself what you have to gain and what you have to lose. It is an awful situation. Been there. Done that. With various critters and various physical problems. I would never give up the total pleasure of their company and the wisdom of their teachingsin spite of the frustration and pain and all the other emotions..each friend taught me and gave me so much. Here is where I get too emotional. On Feb 23, 2008, at 8:25 AM, Lynne wrote:
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Marylyn, when we feed BooBoo it's necessary for at least one of us, more often both of us to sit on either side of him and disgusting as it sounds, push his food by finger into the centre. With his little flat face it's hard for him to to eat anything that is spread out. That's when he starts his snorting. We watch that piece of food with the drug in it until we see him eat it and go on to the next piece. I can't believe some of the stupid things we do for him. I did taste the liquid Doxy that is supposed to be grilled chicken flavored. It isn't bad but he hates it. I'd rather do the pill. I have never had a problem with our other cat. He's always been a big boy so I would just sit him on my lap and do the job. He doesn't fight like Boo does. We're trying to keep his life as stress free as possible. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 5:09 PM Subject: Re: coughing Good job. Kitty acted like she swallowed pills--I found them days and weeks after she left this world. Cats are very sneaky. I suspect that hiding the pill or coating it will make it better. I've tasted various meds for mine what were supposed to be neutral. They were awful. Frankly, I can't remember wha Lasix tastes like. It sounds like the cat nip worked and it may be your answer. On Feb 23, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Lynne wrote: I'll look into the Feliway and the rescue remedy. We managed to get several catnip sprigs from outside and BooBoo went nuts over it. We had him out in the patio for fresh air and he didn't want to come in. I couldn't handle the cold any longer. He and Lennie sat only a foot or so from each other enjoying their nip and Boo who is a sucky cat held his ground and when I put Len on my lap he just stared and stared at him. Then he did his rip away at the bottom stair and is upstairs eating again. He loves life I think and has no intention of leaving. I gave him his last dose of Lasix today by putting it in a piece of salmon. Since he was so hungry he didn't notice it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:35 PM Subject: Re: coughing Cat Nap not catnip...it is a combination of essential oils that are appropriate for cats.so many are dangerous to them. I got mine from http://www.horizonvetserv.com/ because I know the vet and her training. Rescue Remedy is available most places. However, an angel apparently sat on your shoulder and mentioned the catniptry it and see how he likes it. I keep 3 pas (goat feeder rubber pans) with various grasses and catnip for Dixie. They are big enough for her to roll around it and enjoy herself. I can't say they look great.then I can't say I care. There are others on the site who are familiar with Dr. Maiers and/or Dr. Boswell if you can't find a holistic vet. I had a cat with cancer who was impossible to pill. It was heartbreaking. Your little buddy just needs for you to calm down and help him calm down. How would you like someone 100 times bigger than you picking you up, forcing open your mouth and forcing something down your throat? Especially if that person was giving off all the vibes of panic? You might try Feliway spray on yourself and his room too. It is very calming. It helped The Royal Princess Kitty Katt accept me. Don't give it up. Enjoy the time you have. It doesn't matter how long or how short. On Feb 23, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Lynne wrote: We had to go out to visit my dad today Marylyn so I reluctantly left BooBoo alone sleeping. When we got home I went upstairs and lay down with him and even though he didn't open his eyes he began purring. I told Bob what you said about the amount of sleep they need so we've determined not to bug him so much. He did pee and poo while we were gone and went up on the bed to sleep. He is breathing better now. Still have the appointment tomorrow because they couldn't see us today. There were two emergencies apparently. Big friggin deal. If a vets office can't handle two emergencies and one sick cat in a day, I give up. I am searching for another vet. I have a lead on a good one. This guy told Bob he would analyse the fluid and get back to us and he just got rid of it. Like I've said, everything he has done for us so far has been after I've read up on the disease or read these posts and told him my suggestions. He obviously thinks we are fighting a losing battle here and doesn't have Boo's best interest at heart. We will persevere because neither Boo or we want him dead yet. I actually have some catnip in the garden despite this miserable cold weather. I'll give it a shot. I wish cats liked lavender because I have a lot of that and it is supposed
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I didn't realize he was a flat-faced cat. New thought. There are little bowls chefs use for various ingredients before they mix and cook. I am struggling to find a name. They are shallow but the sides slope gently. They are really neat for cats and might help keep the food from spreading. It doesn't sound gross either. I'll work on the name but they aren't that difficult to find and, like I said, keep the food from spreading. Consider raising the bowl. Dixie has a little table that raises her bowl maybe 4 inches. She really doesn't need it but I started raising bowls when Kitty started having reflux problems due to pancreas cancer. It really helped her so all my inside critters have raised food bowls. Kitty could hide pills. I could put them so far back in her throat, watch her swallow several times, then find the pill on the floor in a few minutes. They are amazing. And totally worth all we do in their behalf. On Feb 23, 2008, at 4:44 PM, Lynne wrote: Marylyn, when we feed BooBoo it's necessary for at least one of us, more often both of us to sit on either side of him and disgusting as it sounds, push his food by finger into the centre. With his little flat face it's hard for him to to eat anything that is spread out. That's when he starts his snorting. We watch that piece of food with the drug in it until we see him eat it and go on to the next piece. I can't believe some of the stupid things we do for him. I did taste the liquid Doxy that is supposed to be grilled chicken flavored. It isn't bad but he hates it. I'd rather do the pill. I have never had a problem with our other cat. He's always been a big boy so I would just sit him on my lap and do the job. He doesn't fight like Boo does. We're trying to keep his life as stress free as possible. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 5:09 PM Subject: Re: coughing Good job. Kitty acted like she swallowed pills--I found them days and weeks after she left this world. Cats are very sneaky. I suspect that hiding the pill or coating it will make it better. I've tasted various meds for mine what were supposed to be neutral. They were awful. Frankly, I can't remember wha Lasix tastes like. It sounds like the cat nip worked and it may be your answer. On Feb 23, 2008, at 3:41 PM, Lynne wrote: I'll look into the Feliway and the rescue remedy. We managed to get several catnip sprigs from outside and BooBoo went nuts over it. We had him out in the patio for fresh air and he didn't want to come in. I couldn't handle the cold any longer. He and Lennie sat only a foot or so from each other enjoying their nip and Boo who is a sucky cat held his ground and when I put Len on my lap he just stared and stared at him. Then he did his rip away at the bottom stair and is upstairs eating again. He loves life I think and has no intention of leaving. I gave him his last dose of Lasix today by putting it in a piece of salmon. Since he was so hungry he didn't notice it. Lynne - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 3:35 PM Subject: Re: coughing Cat Nap not catnip...it is a combination of essential oils that are appropriate for cats.so many are dangerous to them. I got mine from http://www.horizonvetserv.com/ because I know the vet and her training. Rescue Remedy is available most places. However, an angel apparently sat on your shoulder and mentioned the catniptry it and see how he likes it. I keep 3 pas (goat feeder rubber pans) with various grasses and catnip for Dixie. They are big enough for her to roll around it and enjoy herself. I can't say they look great.then I can't say I care. There are others on the site who are familiar with Dr. Maiers and/ or Dr. Boswell if you can't find a holistic vet. I had a cat with cancer who was impossible to pill. It was heartbreaking. Your little buddy just needs for you to calm down and help him calm down. How would you like someone 100 times bigger than you picking you up, forcing open your mouth and forcing something down your throat? Especially if that person was giving off all the vibes of panic? You might try Feliway spray on yourself and his room too. It is very calming. It helped The Royal Princess Kitty Katt accept me. Don't give it up. Enjoy the time you have. It doesn't matter how long or how short. On Feb 23, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Lynne wrote: We had to go out to visit my dad today Marylyn so I reluctantly left BooBoo alone sleeping. When we got home I went upstairs and lay down with him and even though he didn't open his eyes he began purring. I told Bob what you said about the amount of sleep they need so we've determined not to bug him so much. He did pee and poo while we
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This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about the same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye crud typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I can only assume it slows the herpes virus down. A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He is now eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the most. He was having issues with his coat and this was a test to see if it helped. His fur was all over the house and always came out in clumps. I am happy to report he is no longer losing fur in clumps. His coat is still scruffy as my vet calls it, but I think that is more a grooming issue. Before he was on canned IAMS. He still free feeds on IAMS multicat. I have several porkers in the house, I was hoping this would help. Not sure it has made any difference other than the catfood bill going up. I need to weigh one of them to see. A very nasty day here in VA. Hope everyone is warm. Sally On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:29 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently having similar problems with my Sneaker. His lungs are clear. He has had an upper resp. infection for weeks now, months really. they did a culture and found he had a staph infection, but that part is cleared up. He is on his 4th round of antibiotics. the vet thinks it's viral and could be herpes. He hasn't been a ton of help. If anyone has any ideas I would love to hear them. tonya *Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Laurie, This really got my curiosity, my Joey has episodes where his purr sounds wet, rumbly and his breathing too, is how I would described it to my vet. She has checked his lungs when he is having one of these episodes and says his lungs are clear, that it is contained to his sinuses. He has never had coughing but I'm curious, can he have asthma without coughing. These epsodes don't seem to bother him, they affect me more than him, he doesn't seem to notice them at all. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
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Sally, when you refer to herpes which herpes virus are you referring to, the one that is sexually transmitted or the one that causes cold sores. I just noticed today that BooBoo seems to have a bit of a discharge from his eyes, nothing I would personally be alarmed about, kind of like any other animal that gets a bit of gunk in his eyes. We've started him back on his Doxycycline because the breathing issue seems to have settled. My vet didn't bother to culture the fluid on his lungs so who knows what we are dealing with here. Like I've said, I really like this vet on a personal level but he is so determined that Boo is going to die, TODAY, that in my opinion he isn't being conscientious enough. Every time we talk to him or see him, he says the same thing, you understand that this is the end stage and he doesn't really seem to want to save him. Gosh, even this very cynical doctor in our building at work asked me about him yesterday and told me to offer as much paliative care as is reasonable before euthanizing him. This doc is so funny. He took time off work to go and assist in the spaying of his dog along with his vet. I don't know if you have access to Recovery food but it is the only thing our BooBoo will eat and he eats a good amount of it. The main ingredient is chicken liver and fish oil. I tried giving him regular chicken liver but he turned his nose up at it. It's 2 bucks a can. I think it's a good deal though because a little seems to fill him up. Our other pig cat will eat anything you put in front of him, except this, fortunately. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 5:33 PM Subject: Re: coughing This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about the same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye crud typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I can only assume it slows the herpes virus down. A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He is now eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the most. He was having issues with his coat and this was a test to see if it helped. His fur was all over the house and always came out in clumps. I am happy to report he is no longer losing fur in clumps. His coat is still scruffy as my vet calls it, but I think that is more a grooming issue. Before he was on canned IAMS. He still free feeds on IAMS multicat. I have se veral porkers in the house, I was hoping this would help. Not sure it has made any difference other than the catfood bill going up. I need to weigh one of them to see. A very nasty day here in VA. Hope everyone is warm. Sally On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:29 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently having similar problems with my Sneaker. His lungs are clear. He has had an upper resp. infection for weeks now, months really. they did a culture and found he had a staph infection, but that part is cleared up. He is on his 4th round of antibiotics. the vet thinks it's viral and could be herpes. He hasn't been a ton of help. If anyone has any ideas I would love to hear them. tonya Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laurie, This really got my curiosity, my Joey has episodes where his purr sounds wet, rumbly and his breathing too, is how I would described it to my vet. She has checked his lungs when he is having one of these episodes and says his lungs are clear, that it is contained to his sinuses. He has never had coughing but I'm curious, can he have asthma without coughing. These epsodes don't seem to bother him, they affect me more than him, he doesn't seem to notice them at all. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
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Hi Lynne It is one of several viruses that cause most kitty colds/flu it is : Feline rhinotracheitis virus (feline herpesvirus type 1 or FHV-1) causes acute respiratory illness known as rhinotracheitis (or *feline herpesvirus infection*). The virus affects domestic and wild cats worldwide. The following website gives more information http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/rhinotracheitis/ They can test for it. The other common virus is FCV feline calicivirus http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/calicivirus/index.shtml Hope this helps. I assume Junior has the 1st one because of the eye infection he had a year ago is classic symptom. The FCV causes mouth ulcers. Junior does not get these. How is BooBoo doing? Sally On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, when you refer to herpes which herpes virus are you referring to, the one that is sexually transmitted or the one that causes cold sores. I just noticed today that BooBoo seems to have a bit of a discharge from his eyes, nothing I would personally be alarmed about, kind of like any other animal that gets a bit of gunk in his eyes. We've started him back on his Doxycycline because the breathing issue seems to have settled. My vet didn't bother to culture the fluid on his lungs so who knows what we are dealing with here. Like I've said, I really like this vet on a personal level but he is so determined that Boo is going to die, TODAY, that in my opinion he isn't being conscientious enough. Every time we talk to him or see him, he says the same thing, you understand that this is the end stage and he doesn't really seem to want to save him. Gosh, even this very cynical doctor in our building at work asked me about him yesterday and told me to offer as much paliative care as is reasonable before euthanizing him. This doc is so funny. He took time off work to go and assist in the spaying of his dog along with his vet. I don't know if you have access to Recovery food but it is the only thing our BooBoo will eat and he eats a good amount of it. The main ingredient is chicken liver and fish oil. I tried giving him regular chicken liver but he turned his nose up at it. It's 2 bucks a can. I think it's a good deal though because a little seems to fill him up. Our other pig cat will eat anything you put in front of him, except this, fortunately. Lynne - Original Message - *From:* Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, February 22, 2008 5:33 PM *Subject:* Re: coughing This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about the same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye crud typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I can only assume it slows the herpes virus down. A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He is now eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the most. He was having issues with his coat and this was a test to see if it helped. His fur was all over the house and always came out in clumps. I am happy to report he is no longer losing fur in clumps. His coat is still scruffy as my vet calls it, but I think that is more a grooming issue. Before he was on canned IAMS. He still free feeds on IAMS multicat. I have se veral porkers in the house, I was hoping this would help. Not sure it has made any difference other than the catfood bill going up. I need to weigh one of them to see. A very nasty day here in VA. Hope everyone is warm. Sally On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:29 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently having similar problems with my Sneaker. His lungs are clear. He has had an upper resp. infection for weeks now, months really. they did a culture and found he had a staph infection, but that part is cleared up. He is on his 4th round of antibiotics. the vet thinks it's viral and could be herpes. He hasn't been a ton of help. If anyone has any ideas I would love to hear them. tonya *Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Laurie, This really got my curiosity, my Joey has episodes where his purr sounds wet, rumbly and his breathing too, is how I would described it to my vet. She has checked his lungs when he is having one of these episodes and says his lungs are clear, that it is contained to his sinuses. He has never had coughing but I'm curious, can he have asthma without coughing. These epsodes don't seem to bother him, they affect me more than him, he doesn't seem to notice them at all. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com -- Sally, Eric
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Thanks Sally. From what I read on those sites, BooBoo's situation sounds more chronic than acute. He has a bit of runny nose, snorts when he eats and occasionally sneezes. It seems to be more of a nuisance than a problem. I've told the vet about it but he kind of dismissed it. Boo has had 2 really good days. His breathing is pretty much normal now and he went out for fresh air twice today. He was being all sweet and purring tonight. I'm afraid Bob and I are really spoiling him. We get our exercise by running upstairs every half hour or so to tell him what a good boy he is. He's very tired though and sleeps most of the time. We don't expect a lot from him but he seems pretty content. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: Re: coughing Hi Lynne It is one of several viruses that cause most kitty colds/flu it is : Feline rhinotracheitis virus (feline herpesvirus type 1 or FHV-1) causes acute respiratory illness known as rhinotracheitis (or feline herpesvirus infection). The virus affects domestic and wild cats worldwide. The following website gives more information http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/rhinotracheitis/ They can test for it. The other common virus is FCV feline calicivirus http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/calicivirus/index.shtml Hope this helps. I assume Junior has the 1st one because of the eye infection he had a year ago is classic symptom. The FCV causes mouth ulcers. Junior does not get these. How is BooBoo doing? Sally On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, when you refer to herpes which herpes virus are you referring to, the one that is sexually transmitted or the one that causes cold sores. I just noticed today that BooBoo seems to have a bit of a discharge from his eyes, nothing I would personally be alarmed about, kind of like any other animal that gets a bit of gunk in his eyes. We've started him back on his Doxycycline because the breathing issue seems to have settled. My vet didn't bother to culture the fluid on his lungs so who knows what we are dealing with here. Like I've said, I really like this vet on a personal level but he is so determined that Boo is going to die, TODAY, that in my opinion he isn't being conscientious enough. Every time we talk to him or see him, he says the same thing, you understand that this is the end stage and he doesn't really seem to want to save him. Gosh, even this very cynical doctor in our building at work asked me about him yesterday and told me to offer as much paliative care as is reasonable before euthanizing him. This doc is so funny. He took time off work to go and assist in the spaying of his dog along with his vet. I don't know if you have access to Recovery food but it is the only thing our BooBoo will eat and he eats a good amount of it. The main ingredient is chicken liver and fish oil. I tried giving him regular chicken liver but he turned his nose up at it. It's 2 bucks a can. I think it's a good deal though because a little seems to fill him up. Our other pig cat will eat anything you put in front of him, except this, fortunately. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 5:33 PM Subject: Re: coughing This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about the same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye crud typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I can only assume it slows the herpes virus down. A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He is now eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the most. He was having issues with his coat and this was a test to see if it helped. His fur was all over the house and always came out in clumps. I am happy to report he is no longer losing fur in clumps. His coat is still scruffy as my vet calls it, but I think that is more a grooming issue. Before he was on canned IAMS. He still free feeds on IAMS multicat. I have se veral porkers in the house, I was hoping this would help. Not sure it has made any difference other than the catfood bill going up. I need to weigh one of them to see. A very nasty day here in VA. Hope everyone is warm. Sally On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:29 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently having similar problems with my Sneaker. His lungs are clear. He has had an upper resp. infection for weeks now, months really. they did a culture and found he had a staph infection, but that part is cleared up. He is on his 4th round of antibiotics. the vet thinks it's
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I am Glad he is doing better. The FHV is a chronic conditions that flares up when a cat is stressed. A cat with FELV is less able to fight the virus off. Junior has had this latest URI since summer. Yes he snorts, sometimes coughs after purring. He still eats well and is of good weight. I always panic over any new symptom. I need to stp doing that. Give BooBoo lots of love. Sally On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Sally. From what I read on those sites, BooBoo's situation sounds more chronic than acute. He has a bit of runny nose, snorts when he eats and occasionally sneezes. It seems to be more of a nuisance than a problem. I've told the vet about it but he kind of dismissed it. Boo has had 2 really good days. His breathing is pretty much normal now and he went out for fresh air twice today. He was being all sweet and purring tonight. I'm afraid Bob and I are really spoiling him. We get our exercise by running upstairs every half hour or so to tell him what a good boy he is. He's very tired though and sleeps most of the time. We don't expect a lot from him but he seems pretty content. Lynne - Original Message - *From:* Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, February 22, 2008 8:46 PM *Subject:* Re: coughing Hi Lynne It is one of several viruses that cause most kitty colds/flu it is : Feline rhinotracheitis virus (feline herpesvirus type 1 or FHV-1) causes acute respiratory illness known as rhinotracheitis (or *feline herpesvirus infection*). The virus affects domestic and wild cats worldwide. The following website gives more information http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/rhinotracheitis/ They can test for it. The other common virus is FCV feline calicivirus http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/calicivirus/index.shtml Hope this helps. I assume Junior has the 1st one because of the eye infection he had a year ago is classic symptom. The FCV causes mouth ulcers. Junior does not get these. How is BooBoo doing? Sally On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, when you refer to herpes which herpes virus are you referring to, the one that is sexually transmitted or the one that causes cold sores. I just noticed today that BooBoo seems to have a bit of a discharge from his eyes, nothing I would personally be alarmed about, kind of like any other animal that gets a bit of gunk in his eyes. We've started him back on his Doxycycline because the breathing issue seems to have settled. My vet didn't bother to culture the fluid on his lungs so who knows what we are dealing with here. Like I've said, I really like this vet on a personal level but he is so determined that Boo is going to die, TODAY, that in my opinion he isn't being conscientious enough. Every time we talk to him or see him, he says the same thing, you understand that this is the end stage and he doesn't really seem to want to save him. Gosh, even this very cynical doctor in our building at work asked me about him yesterday and told me to offer as much paliative care as is reasonable before euthanizing him. This doc is so funny. He took time off work to go and assist in the spaying of his dog along with his vet. I don't know if you have access to Recovery food but it is the only thing our BooBoo will eat and he eats a good amount of it. The main ingredient is chicken liver and fish oil. I tried giving him regular chicken liver but he turned his nose up at it. It's 2 bucks a can. I think it's a good deal though because a little seems to fill him up. Our other pig cat will eat anything you put in front of him, except this, fortunately. Lynne - Original Message - *From:* Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Friday, February 22, 2008 5:33 PM *Subject:* Re: coughing This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about the same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye crud typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I can only assume it slows the herpes virus down. A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He is now eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the most. He was having issues with his coat and this was a test to see if it helped. His fur was all over the house and always came out in clumps. I am happy to report he is no longer losing fur in clumps. His coat is still scruffy as my vet calls it, but I think that is more a grooming issue. Before he was on canned IAMS. He still free feeds on IAMS multicat. I have se veral porkers in the house, I was hoping this would help. Not sure it has made any difference other than the catfood bill going up. I need
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Please remember that cats normally sleep around 75% of the time. We are supposed to sleep over 30%. He may just be doing what cats do. Please don't read too much into things. It will rob you of the pleasure of his company. I learned the hard way. On Feb 22, 2008, at 8:05 PM, Lynne wrote: Thanks Sally. From what I read on those sites, BooBoo's situation sounds more chronic than acute. He has a bit of runny nose, snorts when he eats and occasionally sneezes. It seems to be more of a nuisance than a problem. I've told the vet about it but he kind of dismissed it. Boo has had 2 really good days. His breathing is pretty much normal now and he went out for fresh air twice today. He was being all sweet and purring tonight. I'm afraid Bob and I are really spoiling him. We get our exercise by running upstairs every half hour or so to tell him what a good boy he is. He's very tired though and sleeps most of the time. We don't expect a lot from him but he seems pretty content. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: Re: coughing Hi Lynne It is one of several viruses that cause most kitty colds/flu it is : Feline rhinotracheitis virus (feline herpesvirus type 1 or FHV-1) causes acute respiratory illness known as rhinotracheitis (or feline herpesvirus infection). The virus affects domestic and wild cats worldwide. The following website gives more information http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/rhinotracheitis/ They can test for it. The other common virus is FCV feline calicivirus http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/calicivirus/index.shtml Hope this helps. I assume Junior has the 1st one because of the eye infection he had a year ago is classic symptom. The FCV causes mouth ulcers. Junior does not get these. How is BooBoo doing? Sally On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, when you refer to herpes which herpes virus are you referring to, the one that is sexually transmitted or the one that causes cold sores. I just noticed today that BooBoo seems to have a bit of a discharge from his eyes, nothing I would personally be alarmed about, kind of like any other animal that gets a bit of gunk in his eyes. We've started him back on his Doxycycline because the breathing issue seems to have settled. My vet didn't bother to culture the fluid on his lungs so who knows what we are dealing with here. Like I've said, I really like this vet on a personal level but he is so determined that Boo is going to die, TODAY, that in my opinion he isn't being conscientious enough. Every time we talk to him or see him, he says the same thing, you understand that this is the end stage and he doesn't really seem to want to save him. Gosh, even this very cynical doctor in our building at work asked me about him yesterday and told me to offer as much paliative care as is reasonable before euthanizing him. This doc is so funny. He took time off work to go and assist in the spaying of his dog along with his vet. I don't know if you have access to Recovery food but it is the only thing our BooBoo will eat and he eats a good amount of it. The main ingredient is chicken liver and fish oil. I tried giving him regular chicken liver but he turned his nose up at it. It's 2 bucks a can. I think it's a good deal though because a little seems to fill him up. Our other pig cat will eat anything you put in front of him, except this, fortunately. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 5:33 PM Subject: Re: coughing This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about the same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye crud typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I can only assume it slows the herpes virus down. A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He is now eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the most. He was having issues with his coat and this was a test to see if it helped. His fur was all over the house and always came out in clumps. I am happy to report he is no longer losing fur in clumps. His coat is still scruffy as my vet calls it, but I think that is more a grooming issue. Before he was on canned IAMS. He still free feeds on IAMS multicat. I have se veral porkers in the house, I was hoping this would help. Not sure it has made any difference other than the catfood bill going up. I need to weigh one of them to see. A very nasty day here in VA. Hope everyone is warm. Sally On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:29 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently having similar problems with my Sneaker. His
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well said, Marylyn. - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 9:24 PM Subject: Re: coughing Please remember that cats normally sleep around 75% of the time. We are supposed to sleep over 30%. He may just be doing what cats do. Please don't read too much into things. It will rob you of the pleasure of his company. I learned the hard way. On Feb 22, 2008, at 8:05 PM, Lynne wrote: Thanks Sally. From what I read on those sites, BooBoo's situation sounds more chronic than acute. He has a bit of runny nose, snorts when he eats and occasionally sneezes. It seems to be more of a nuisance than a problem. I've told the vet about it but he kind of dismissed it. Boo has had 2 really good days. His breathing is pretty much normal now and he went out for fresh air twice today. He was being all sweet and purring tonight. I'm afraid Bob and I are really spoiling him. We get our exercise by running upstairs every half hour or so to tell him what a good boy he is. He's very tired though and sleeps most of the time. We don't expect a lot from him but he seems pretty content. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 8:46 PM Subject: Re: coughing Hi Lynne It is one of several viruses that cause most kitty colds/flu it is : Feline rhinotracheitis virus (feline herpesvirus type 1 or FHV-1) causes acute respiratory illness known as rhinotracheitis (or feline herpesvirus infection). The virus affects domestic and wild cats worldwide. The following website gives more information http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/rhinotracheitis/ They can test for it. The other common virus is FCV feline calicivirus http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/calicivirus/index.shtml Hope this helps. I assume Junior has the 1st one because of the eye infection he had a year ago is classic symptom. The FCV causes mouth ulcers. Junior does not get these. How is BooBoo doing? Sally On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, when you refer to herpes which herpes virus are you referring to, the one that is sexually transmitted or the one that causes cold sores. I just noticed today that BooBoo seems to have a bit of a discharge from his eyes, nothing I would personally be alarmed about, kind of like any other animal that gets a bit of gunk in his eyes. We've started him back on his Doxycycline because the breathing issue seems to have settled. My vet didn't bother to culture the fluid on his lungs so who knows what we are dealing with here. Like I've said, I really like this vet on a personal level but he is so determined that Boo is going to die, TODAY, that in my opinion he isn't being conscientious enough. Every time we talk to him or see him, he says the same thing, you understand that this is the end stage and he doesn't really seem to want to save him. Gosh, even this very cynical doctor in our building at work asked me about him yesterday and told me to offer as much paliative care as is reasonable before euthanizing him. This doc is so funny. He took time off work to go and assist in the spaying of his dog along with his vet. I don't know if you have access to Recovery food but it is the only thing our BooBoo will eat and he eats a good amount of it. The main ingredient is chicken liver and fish oil. I tried giving him regular chicken liver but he turned his nose up at it. It's 2 bucks a can. I think it's a good deal though because a little seems to fill him up. Our other pig cat will eat anything you put in front of him, except this, fortunately. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 5:33 PM Subject: Re: coughing This sounds like what I am going through with Junior. He is now off antibiotics and getting chlorpheneramine to relieve congestion. He is about the same after a month. I think his is herpes as well. He also has the eye crud typical of herpes. He has been receiving L Lysine for over a year. I can only assume it slows the herpes virus down. A little over a month ago I decided to change his canned catfood. He is now eating Blue Buffalo Spa Selects. He likes the fishy kinds the most. He was having issues with his coat and this was a test to see if it helped. His fur was all over the house and always came out in clumps. I am happy to report he is no longer losing fur in clumps. His coat is still scruffy as my vet calls it, but I think that is more a grooming issue. Before he was on canned IAMS. He still free feeds on IAMS multicat. I have se veral porkers in the house, I was hoping
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I'm currently having similar problems with my Sneaker. His lungs are clear. He has had an upper resp. infection for weeks now, months really. they did a culture and found he had a staph infection, but that part is cleared up. He is on his 4th round of antibiotics. the vet thinks it's viral and could be herpes. He hasn't been a ton of help. If anyone has any ideas I would love to hear them. tonya Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laurie, This really got my curiosity, my Joey has episodes where his purr sounds wet, rumbly and his breathing too, is how I would described it to my vet. She has checked his lungs when he is having one of these episodes and says his lungs are clear, that it is contained to his sinuses. He has never had coughing but I'm curious, can he have asthma without coughing. These epsodes don't seem to bother him, they affect me more than him, he doesn't seem to notice them at all. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
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Your email made me chuckle Laurie! My Tiger does that--throws up after eating. He does gobble--basically his goal is to eat EVERYONE'S food. I've had to separate the dishes. I think it's comfort eating, for him. (He's also a wool-sucker.) Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: coughing Winston (I feel like I just keep pulling another cat out of my hat!) will occasionally vomit undigested food about 1/2 hour after he's eaten. He does this sometimes and seems to be when he's eaten a larger that normal volume of food. L - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: Re: coughing Sometimes it is, he doesn't gobble his food though, I try to make sure they get food several times a day, 4 or 5 times a day. Is the vomit undigested food? If yes, is he gobbling his food? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer Brown LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Kerry, Winston chews on cotton and licks my clothes (esp the underarms). Goofy kitties provide us lots of laughs! L - Original Message - From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:13 AM Subject: RE: coughing Your email made me chuckle Laurie! My Tiger does that--throws up after eating. He does gobble--basically his goal is to eat EVERYONE'S food. I've had to separate the dishes. I think it's comfort eating, for him. (He's also a wool-sucker.) Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: coughing Winston (I feel like I just keep pulling another cat out of my hat!) will occasionally vomit undigested food about 1/2 hour after he's eaten. He does this sometimes and seems to be when he's eaten a larger that normal volume of food. L - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: Re: coughing Sometimes it is, he doesn't gobble his food though, I try to make sure they get food several times a day, 4 or 5 times a day. Is the vomit undigested food? If yes, is he gobbling his food? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... _ Effective September 1, 2007, we have changed our name to Mayer Brown LLP. IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer Brown LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer Brown LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Thank Lance and Laurie for your advice. I definitely am going to start keeping a journal so when I do see the vet again I will have it all written down. To me it sounded like a fur ball cough, nothing came out though, but I also notice him licking his lips a lot and when he eats, he snorts. Oh I don't know. This is just all so foreign to me. Like I've mentioned, I've never had serious problems with cats. They just get really old, develop a kidney issue and have to be put down. This guy is a whole different story. If nothing else I certainly can appreciate that I was very fortunate to have one kid that grew up with no health issues. Some people have children with serious health issues and it must be so very difficult for them with the worry of losing them. Lynne - Original Message - From: Lance To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: Re: coughing I'd just watch him closely for the next few days to see if the cough changes in any way. If it's going away, or seems to happen less, then it might not be anything to worry about. Ember did this weird panting thing several weeks ago, and it hasn't happened since. She may have had a reaction to a high dose of Flagyl. If BooBoo actually does hack up fur, then it's highly unlikely to be something abnormal. Cats are prone to that, as you know. One thing I've done, though not as regularly as I should have, is to keep a text file on my computer of dates and any unusual health occurrences for Ember. I used it to track a diarrhea problem over a year ago, and I still have the file, in case I need to refer to it. Lance On Feb 10, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Lynne wrote: Hi all. I've noticed that BooBoo gets these coughing spells. I described it to the vet and he says it sounds like fur balls. He does use his litter box so I don't think there is an obstruction or anything like that, but I'm not convinced this is the problem. I'll get some of that fur ball stuff in a tube for him today, but could this be something else? I have no idea if this was a problem before we got them because the previous owners will not offer up any more information on him to me. I do know that the previous owners smoked in their home and that certainly could not have been good for him. Is this a typical problem for a Felv cat ? If so, should I be getting him back to the vet for some kind of medication? Thanks Lynne
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Asthma can look like a hairball cough. There are many other things it can be, too, if not a hairball. Lung worm, heartworm, upper respiratory. An asthma kitty can also have a wet sounding purr. The hairball cough are what both Keisha and Frankie had. Both have/had asthma. Frankie's attacks alway finish with one big cough but everyone is different. Teddy's was evident only after he played.There are 3 good feline asthma yahoo groups. Asthma is diagnosed via chest xray and owner report. Don't let anyone suggest a BAL (bronchial avelor or something like that wash) ~ unnecessary and it reduces the airways of an already breathing compromised cat. Pls keep us posted. Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:25 PM Subject: coughing Hi all. I've noticed that BooBoo gets these coughing spells. I described it to the vet and he says it sounds like fur balls. He does use his litter box so I don't think there is an obstruction or anything like that, but I'm not convinced this is the problem. I'll get some of that fur ball stuff in a tube for him today, but could this be something else? I have no idea if this was a problem before we got them because the previous owners will not offer up any more information on him to me. I do know that the previous owners smoked in their home and that certainly could not have been good for him. Is this a typical problem for a Felv cat ? If so, should I be getting him back to the vet for some kind of medication? Thanks Lynne
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I'd just watch him closely for the next few days to see if the cough changes in any way. If it's going away, or seems to happen less, then it might not be anything to worry about. Ember did this weird panting thing several weeks ago, and it hasn't happened since. She may have had a reaction to a high dose of Flagyl. If BooBoo actually does hack up fur, then it's highly unlikely to be something abnormal. Cats are prone to that, as you know. One thing I've done, though not as regularly as I should have, is to keep a text file on my computer of dates and any unusual health occurrences for Ember. I used it to track a diarrhea problem over a year ago, and I still have the file, in case I need to refer to it. Lance On Feb 10, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Lynne wrote: Hi all. I've noticed that BooBoo gets these coughing spells. I described it to the vet and he says it sounds like fur balls. He does use his litter box so I don't think there is an obstruction or anything like that, but I'm not convinced this is the problem. I'll get some of that fur ball stuff in a tube for him today, but could this be something else? I have no idea if this was a problem before we got them because the previous owners will not offer up any more information on him to me. I do know that the previous owners smoked in their home and that certainly could not have been good for him. Is this a typical problem for a Felv cat ? If so, should I be getting him back to the vet for some kind of medication? Thanks Lynne
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Lynne, licking lips is indicative of upset stomach. Snorting is a new one. It really could just be a hairball...breathe and make notes! I know that I can easily go to a fear place. Frankie (blind, asthmatic and previously had pancreatitis) has been calling out in the night the past few nights. He sounds distressed and I don't believe I had ever heard his voice before. He's been with me for 10 years. This is totally new. So, is it a thyroid problem...or is he wanting the Drinkwell which is downstairs or is he maybe hungry. I'll keep notes and try the easy fixes first...but boy I know that I can go to the worse case quickly. Not good for me or him! L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:45 PM Subject: Re: coughing Thank Lance and Laurie for your advice. I definitely am going to start keeping a journal so when I do see the vet again I will have it all written down. To me it sounded like a fur ball cough, nothing came out though, but I also notice him licking his lips a lot and when he eats, he snorts. Oh I don't know. This is just all so foreign to me. Like I've mentioned, I've never had serious problems with cats. They just get really old, develop a kidney issue and have to be put down. This guy is a whole different story. If nothing else I certainly can appreciate that I was very fortunate to have one kid that grew up with no health issues. Some people have children with serious health issues and it must be so very difficult for them with the worry of losing them. Lynne - Original Message - From: Lance To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: Re: coughing I'd just watch him closely for the next few days to see if the cough changes in any way. If it's going away, or seems to happen less, then it might not be anything to worry about. Ember did this weird panting thing several weeks ago, and it hasn't happened since. She may have had a reaction to a high dose of Flagyl. If BooBoo actually does hack up fur, then it's highly unlikely to be something abnormal. Cats are prone to that, as you know. One thing I've done, though not as regularly as I should have, is to keep a text file on my computer of dates and any unusual health occurrences for Ember. I used it to track a diarrhea problem over a year ago, and I still have the file, in case I need to refer to it. Lance On Feb 10, 2008, at 12:25 PM, Lynne wrote: Hi all. I've noticed that BooBoo gets these coughing spells. I described it to the vet and he says it sounds like fur balls. He does use his litter box so I don't think there is an obstruction or anything like that, but I'm not convinced this is the problem. I'll get some of that fur ball stuff in a tube for him today, but could this be something else? I have no idea if this was a problem before we got them because the previous owners will not offer up any more information on him to me. I do know that the previous owners smoked in their home and that certainly could not have been good for him. Is this a typical problem for a Felv cat ? If so, should I be getting him back to the vet for some kind of medication? Thanks Lynne
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Laurie, This really got my curiosity, my Joey has episodes where his purr sounds wet, rumbly and his breathing too, is how I would described it to my vet. She has checked his lungs when he is having one of these episodes and says his lungs are clear, that it is contained to his sinuses. He has never had coughing but I'm curious, can he have asthma without coughing. These epsodes don't seem to bother him, they affect me more than him, he doesn't seem to notice them at all. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
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Belinda, Teddy had no coughing. He panted after exercise. Keisha and Frankie had/have the coughing. Frankie has coughed for 10 years (since the day I rescued him from my yard). Keisha really only coughed for about 2 months about 3 years ago (every day). Prednisone stopped it. She had two of the hairball coughing type attacks in the week before she died unexpectedly last summer. Her purring always sounded very loud, deep and wet. My vet said Frankie's problem was post nasal drip. He said this for 6 years. Frankie had a coughing attack twice a week (this is very common with asthma). A (finally) second opinion revealed asthma. (ps no we don't smoke...and yet had 3 cats with asthma). Laurie - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 3:27 PM Subject: Re: coughing Laurie, This really got my curiosity, my Joey has episodes where his purr sounds wet, rumbly and his breathing too, is how I would described it to my vet. She has checked his lungs when he is having one of these episodes and says his lungs are clear, that it is contained to his sinuses. He has never had coughing but I'm curious, can he have asthma without coughing. These epsodes don't seem to bother him, they affect me more than him, he doesn't seem to notice them at all. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
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Hi Belinda, small world. Lucy has HCM. Her meds have greatly improved her quality of life. She is much more active now. Frankie's early chest xrays did not show the donuts as there was no damage yet. That is why my vet said it was not asthma. Inhaled meds have resulted in improvement in chest xrays. This is Frankie's good time of year (winter) amd he's been attack free for several months now. From my experience, Joey's attacks could be asthma. Does he hunch way down and get his neck way out when he's coughing. How long does coughing last? Frankie's are always 10-15 minutes. My personal belief is that asthma is tied to allergies. Frankie's asthma is worst in fall (moldy leaves outside) and when we have remodeling done. Wonder if you kept track of times of year or suspected triggers for Joey's asthmawonder if there is a relationship between asthma and HCM. I have not heard of one. Keisha did have fluid around her HEART and died of congestive heart failure... Normally we have no spray or scented anything here. We have HEPA air cleaners, an air exchanger, and air cleaners on the furnace. I take many precautions. We live in the woods so dust is a factor. Laurie - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:22 PM Subject: Re: coughing When Joey was about 5 months old he panted after playing, I took him to the vet and he sent me to a specialty place. They did lots of tests and said he was early HCM, this was in Missouri. Moved back her and a year later had him rechecked, he was on medication for his supposed heart disease and looked awful, he looked very unhealthy, he looked 100 times better before he started the meds. The year later check up here in Washington state by a cardiologist revealed in his opinion Joey never had heart disease and he told me to stop the meds. He looked and acted better after stopping the meds. My sister moved in with me about then and brought 2 cats with her. Shelbee seemed to have an upper respiratory thing going on which cleared up but if memory serves me right Joey's breathing and purring thing started after that. Can't say 100% it did but that seems to be the time I associate noticing it with, so that is why I never doubted my vet telling me it was all in his upper respiratory area. Joey has these episodes 4,5 maybe 6 times a year and then he is fine, they usually last a week or two. I'm pretty sure I have insisted on a chest Xray at some point because I wanted to be sure it was nothing to worry about and he does have HCM now and is on medication for it these last 3 years. He gets a heart ultra sound once a year. Would a chest xray show asthma for sure?? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
Re: coughing
Hi Laurie, Joey has never coughed, it is the panting he did but only when he was 5 months old and then put on the heart meds stoppd that but he looked very unhealthy. When he was checked a year later he was taken off the meds and given a clean bill of health for the heart disease. He really developed heart disease at 9 years of age and has gotten benazepril since then and his heart disease is progessing very slowly. He is losing weight though and recently has starting vomiting one or two times a week. He also was diagnosed with eary CRF about a year ago and my vet wanted me to give him fluids 3 times a week, but he acts like I'm killing him so I have not done that. I know his kidney disease has progressed and the vomiting is partly from that because sometimes its just foam which goes along with CRF. BUT he never, ever vomited in his whole life so I will be taking him in to get that checked out because sometimes it is his food. His weight loss over the last few years has me a bit worried, he has gone from 10 pounds 5 or 6 years ago to just a little over 8 pounds now. I'm scared what she is going to say about his CRF, with his heart disease fluids are tricky so I have to be careful but advanced kidney disease sometimes requires alot of fluids, Fred get 150cc a day. We discovered Joey's HCM because he developed a heart murmur and we did an ultra sound and saw the slight thickening of the left side. His murmur has stayed the same for the last 3 years. From my experience, Joey's attacks could be asthma. Does he hunch way down and get his neck way out when he's coughing. How long does coughing last? Frankie's are always 10-15 minutes. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
Re: coughing
Sometimes it is, he doesn't gobble his food though, I try to make sure they get food several times a day, 4 or 5 times a day. Is the vomit undigested food? If yes, is he gobbling his food? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
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Hi Laurie, Why would they take her off the meds? Joey will be on them for the rest of his life. He hasn't had to increase them because his HCM is progressing slowly, his thickening is about the same but his arotic value has dilated slightly more so there is progression. He is failry active for his age, he still doesn't like the fluids but I know he'll get used to them, Fred has been getting them for almost 2 years and he used to bite me and run under the bed. He figures out it wouldn't do him any good so now he just waits for me to take him out to the couch and do them. BUT the second I close off the valve he is gone. Fred is 17, Joey is 12 now, 13 this July. He hasn't panted since he was 5 months old, I have noticed something recently and I don't know what it means, I have never seen any other cat do it, he will open his mouth and sort of hiss, just a very short hiss, he just does it out of the blue. Ever seen that? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
Re: coughing
Belinda, that sounds like a challenge ~ HCM and CRF. Is the vomit undigested food? If yes, is he gobbling his food? Might check to see if the food refusal is connected with the vomiting (refusing before or after). I wonder if the panting might be associated with the HCM (if his heart is racing). I can't imagine he has asthma too... Bless his heart (literally). Lucy was diagnosed with HCM when she was 9, too. Hers has stayed the same on the benazepril and she will go off that med if she continues the same (via ultrasound) at her next appt. L - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:53 PM Subject: Re: coughing Hi Laurie, Joey has never coughed, it is the panting he did but only when he was 5 months old and then put on the heart meds stoppd that but he looked very unhealthy. When he was checked a year later he was taken off the meds and given a clean bill of health for the heart disease. He really developed heart disease at 9 years of age and has gotten benazepril since then and his heart disease is progessing very slowly. He is losing weight though and recently has starting vomiting one or two times a week. He also was diagnosed with eary CRF about a year ago and my vet wanted me to give him fluids 3 times a week, but he acts like I'm killing him so I have not done that. I know his kidney disease has progressed and the vomiting is partly from that because sometimes its just foam which goes along with CRF. BUT he never, ever vomited in his whole life so I will be taking him in to get that checked out because sometimes it is his food. His weight loss over the last few years has me a bit worried, he has gone from 10 pounds 5 or 6 years ago to just a little over 8 pounds now. I'm scared what she is going to say about his CRF, with his heart disease fluids are tricky so I have to be careful but advanced kidney disease sometimes requires alot of fluids, Fred get 150cc a day. We discovered Joey's HCM because he developed a heart murmur and we did an ultra sound and saw the slight thickening of the left side. His murmur has stayed the same for the last 3 years. From my experience, Joey's attacks could be asthma. Does he hunch way down and get his neck way out when he's coughing. How long does coughing last? Frankie's are always 10-15 minutes. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
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Belinda, Lucy had no symptoms with her HCM so they think, if she continues as she is, that maybe that is just how her heart looks. (We did chest xrays and blood work on everyone after Keisha died). I think she feels better on the meds and her BP was pretty high (200+). I think the meds can cause...is it kidney problems? Anyway, I think the side effects and lack of symptoms are the reason. Interesting about the hiss. Cooper does that. For no reason, he just hisses. He also will also sometimes get winded when he plays and will pant/open mouth breath. This does not happen often so I am just watching it for now. I can't even fathom the idea that I would have FOUR asthmatic cats. Laurie - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:14 PM Subject: Re: coughing Hi Laurie, Why would they take her off the meds? Joey will be on them for the rest of his life. He hasn't had to increase them because his HCM is progressing slowly, his thickening is about the same but his arotic value has dilated slightly more so there is progression. He is failry active for his age, he still doesn't like the fluids but I know he'll get used to them, Fred has been getting them for almost 2 years and he used to bite me and run under the bed. He figures out it wouldn't do him any good so now he just waits for me to take him out to the couch and do them. BUT the second I close off the valve he is gone. Fred is 17, Joey is 12 now, 13 this July. He hasn't panted since he was 5 months old, I have noticed something recently and I don't know what it means, I have never seen any other cat do it, he will open his mouth and sort of hiss, just a very short hiss, he just does it out of the blue. Ever seen that? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com
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Winston (I feel like I just keep pulling another cat out of my hat!) will occasionally vomit undigested food about 1/2 hour after he's eaten. He does this sometimes and seems to be when he's eaten a larger that normal volume of food. L - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:16 PM Subject: Re: coughing Sometimes it is, he doesn't gobble his food though, I try to make sure they get food several times a day, 4 or 5 times a day. Is the vomit undigested food? If yes, is he gobbling his food? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ...
Re: Coughing Satchmo, Mindboggling Medication
Leslie - so these are the herbs you are using for FeLV or for Satch's asthma? Do you find that these are helping? I know herbs are hard on a cat's system... so I'm really curious how this is working for Satch and how he is accepting them into his food. I'm VERY interested in how this works Leslie=^..^= On 10/9/06, Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry it's taken a few days to get back with you on the specifics, but...well, you'll see. My vet emailed me back about the herbs in Satch's asthma powder. I'll cut and paste from her email, then include links to Google searches that I did next to the ingredients - all text is hers, but anything within are my additions. I think that Eastern medecine is fascinating...in part because it all sounds like a kung fu movie, and I like to visualize the minor blue dragon kicking ass in Satch's bloodstream. Click on a few of these, I learned a lot, hopefully you guys will find it interesting: --- Hello.So how well do you know pin yin names of chinese herbs? It's part Xiao Qing Long Tang http://tcm.health-info.org/formulas/singles/Xiao-qing-long-tang.htm (minor blue dragon combination) and eight other singular herbs: Huang Qi seems like this is just astragalus: http://alternativehealing.org/huang_qi.htm Dong Chong Xia Cao http://www.heritage.com.sg/monograph/prod32.htm Lian Qiao http://alternativehealing.org/lian_qiao.htm SHeng Jiang this looks like it's ginger root:http://www.herbalists.on.ca/resources/freeman/ZINGIB.html Shan Yao http://alternativehealing.org/huai_shan.htm Shan Zhu Yu I don't know about the whole invigorating the yang of the loins bit, but: http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/arr_html?Cornus+officinalis Chen Pi this one has very interesting infounder the Pharmacology section: http://content.nhiondemand.com/moh/media/TCMH1.asp?objID=100823ctype=tcmh Zi Su Ye http://tcm.health-info.org/Herbology.Materia.Medica/zisuye-properties.htm Hope this helps! Indeed. Leslie From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: Asthma Hee hee.It's rare that anyone gets away with being vague abouttreatments around here.We're always so anxious to see what anyone elseis trying and if it seems to be working.How wonderful that you've found a holistic vet that you like.I have one that's about an houraway from me.She's the best vet I've ever found for dealing withreluctant patients, but she isn't that good at all the 'not so common'problems that are always so abundant around my house.She's also very expensive and hard to get an appointment with.I used to say Brucewould be perfect if only he had a trust fund, now I'm wishing he'd spenthis expensive education in veterinary school as well.Take notes when you talk to your vet :-) , N-- Leslie =^..^=To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded.That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: Coughing Satchmo, Mindboggling Medication
Hi Leslie, yes these are the asthma herbs. My vet liked the combination of the Feline Immune Support pills for his immune system and these herbs that are for the asthma, but also immune support. I hadn't heard that herbs were hard on cats - I knew that essential oils were to be avoided, but had thought herbs to be a safe alternative, I'd be interested to hear more on that. He doesn't object to them mixed into his food at all, in fact, first I mixed in with a lot of food to dilute it (it's a very fine powder), and he'd lose interest as he got full, so I'd lose some to the scavenging kitten (who at 5.5 lbs already has a bigger ration than her 13 lb counterpart). Just yesterday, I mixed his dose (it's about 1/8 teaspoon twice a day) in a couple teaspoons of wet food and he gobbled it right down. Now I can control more easily that he is the one getting that medication. It smells kind of chocolatey to me...a deep smell, not offensive, but I haven't tasted it yet, I should just to see (maybe get some blue dragon action going myself). He's been on it about a week and a half and his progress seems to continue. It's hard to tell, though, admittedly. He'll go a few days with only a slight huff, and then he'll do the cough/inhale. His fits aren't nearly as prolonged as Fritz's on the link that you sent me (thank you very much, those were very interesting) - his cough/inhales last maybe three seconds, then he swallows hard and walks on, but as your links highlighted, it's no indication that a serious, prolongedattack might not occur. I don't know what he's inhaling that's triggering it, I can't think of any obvious changes.I have the Dyson Animal Vac, so I'll try and use it more (don't know how Mom got him in cahoots with her!) and I'll see about getting an air cleaner like you suggested. My vet is optimistic that his dosage will be able to be cut back, she said that many cats respond well to this. The container of powder cost $22.50 and I'd hope to get at least two months out of it...maybe more. I'll be sure to keep you up to date with progress reports. Leslie From: Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Coughing Satchmo, Mindboggling Medication*Leslie - so these are the herbs you are using for FeLV or for Satch'sasthma?Do you find that these are helping?I know herbs are hard on acat's system... so I'm really curious how this is working for Satch and how he is accepting them into his food.I'm VERY interested in how thisworks**Leslie=^..^=*
