Re: depressing!!.
I only spend that much for a cat at the vet's ;-) elizabeth On 6/2/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like a really big tabby to me.Hmmm, so if I can get a tabby up to 30 pounds, I can call it an Ashera mix and ask a really big adoption fee Who spends $22K on a cat? Crazy. *Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: http://www.lifestylepets.com/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM
Re: depressing!!.
It looks like a Savannah to me, personally. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
depressing!!.
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Re: depressing!!.
Looks like a really big tabby to me.Hmmm, so if I can get a tabby up to 30 pounds, I can call it an Ashera mix and ask a really big adoption fee Who spends $22K on a cat? Crazy. Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.lifestylepets.com/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM
Re: depressing!!.
Well if you consider the lifespan of a well cared for indoor cat who gets checkups once a year bloodwork at least once a year, who may get diabetes or kidney disease or even cancer in older age who given the best medical care possible for same - you might get up to 22K by the time that kitty crosses the bridge! Pam Susan Hoffman wrote: Looks like a really big tabby to me.Hmmm, so if I can get a tabby up to 30 pounds, I can call it an Ashera mix and ask a really big adoption fee Who spends $22K on a cat? Crazy. */Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: http://www.lifestylepets.com/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM
Re: depressing!!.
Over the course of a lifetime is one thing but to buy a cat from a breeder for that kind of is nuts Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well if you consider the lifespan of a well cared for indoor cat who gets checkups once a year bloodwork at leas st once a year, who may get diabetes or kidney disease or even cancer in older age who given the best medical care possible for same - you might get up to 22K by the time that kitty crosses the bridge! Pam Susan Hoffman wrote: Looks like a really big tabby to me.Hmmm, so if I can get a tabby up to 30 pounds, I can call it an Ashera mix and ask a really big adoption fee Who spends $22K on a cat? Crazy. */Kelly L /* wrote: http://www.lifestylepets.com/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM
Re: depressing!!.
I'd hate to try giving pills to a cat that size. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 10:31 PM Subject: depressing!!. http://www.lifestylepets.com/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM
Re: depressing!!.
A little more on the alleged Ashera breed: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/business/20061025--1b25ashera.html C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd hate to try giving pills to a cat that size. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Kelly L To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 10:31 PM Subject: depressing!!. http://www.lifestylepets.com/index.html No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.6/828 - Release Date: 6/1/2007 11:22 AM
Re: Depressing stuff- a little OT (very freakin OT)
I apologize to you, Wendy, since my post started this. We all have different views on religion, and are typically free to speak them as long as we're on topic. I did bring up the topic of my depression. I am a Christian, and I think that's what bothers me most about being so depressed. I have thought of seeking Christian counselling as opposed to 'regular' counselling, as I feel like I should be able handle this and see it a different way or something. I don't know, and don't want to start a religious conversation that's off topic here, but there are people here from many different religious backgrounds, and in general we are all pretty tolerant of others' views.tonyawendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jenn,I am not talking about pot. I am talking about thedrugs that make a person feel as if they need to killto keep their high going, like heroine, crack, etc. These people can be out of their minds while on thesestrong mind-altering chemicals. And I am notslandering drug users. I am, however, stating facts. I do not believe that people doing bad things while onthese drugs to keep their high are necessarily badpeople without the drugs. And no, thank God that Idon't have much first-hand experience with drugs; butI have friends and family who work in law enforcement,welfare (my mother), and other fields that come homewith stories about the everyday lives of people whouse these drugs. Thank you for sharing your opinions with me, andalthough I agree with a lot of what you say, such ashow to raise children, I respectfully disagree withsome of it. It would have been nice had you done thesame instead of berating me for my views. We are alldifferent and that's what makes the world such aninteresting place. I am not here to start anyarguments about anything. I am not here to "convert"anyone. And I do not agree that you respect the rightof freedom of religion, as you have berated me herefor my religious views. That is part of who I am andit will come through in my writing, and I am askingthat you be respectful of that, as I will continue tobe respectful of you. If you have anything further tosay to me directly, please email me privately, as I donot enjoy being humiliated in front of people Irespect. I apologize to all of you for getting offtopic. Wendy__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Speaking of depressing - Tonya
tonya, for me the answer is to focus on my small part of the world, and remember that being a good example (well, at least about the critters!) is a big thing, tho decidedly slow some people can handle dealing with the huge issues, many can't. for me, if i try to handle a huge number of injustices at once, i end up overwhelmed, and paralyzed, and unable to act on any level. for me, saving the critters i can, and continuing to educate-educate-educate, is what enables me to go on. a fervent belief that these critters come to US, out of all the humans in the world, also keeps me going. some of us have the gift of being able to handle the constant heartbreak of having to say goodbye to cats with FeLV and other conditions. it's not something i think i chose, but clearly the cats know better. i pull back and remember that these cats who have come into my life leave this world when it's their time having known warmth, and love, and a roof over their heads, and competent medical care. for those for whom human companionship is something they want, they leave in the arms of someone who loves them, thanks them for sharing their lives, and who tries desperately to honor their needs over my own. how many humans these days can say as much? you did exactly what jaws needed you to do: you rescued him from that street, you surrounded him with love and caring from yourself and your wonderful vet--in those few hours, jaws KNEW that his life was of value to someone. THOSE are the memories that he took with him to the bridge. would you have been there with him had you known he was going to leave so soon? of course--but you did not know, and you did what you needed to do for yourself. as much as we are driven to care for these without anyone else to stand up for them, we MUST take care of ourselves, too, or we diminish our ability to continue to be there for the next one, two, twenty. this group gives us a place to all do whatever it is they we can do, while having a wide group of folks doing the same thing--and when we reach out and hold hands (and/or paws), we enlarge the circle, and support one another in ways that radiate out from that circle. we may not encompass the world and its evils, but we each make a difference--and, together, we amplify and magnify one another. -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Speaking of depressing - Tonya
MaryChristine: Beautifully expressed. Thank you /mari this group gives us a place to all do whatever it is they we can do,while having a wide group of folks doing the same thing--and when we reach out and hold hands (and/or paws), we enlarge the circle, andsupport one another in ways that radiate out from that circle. we maynot encompass the world and its evils, but we each make adifference--and, together, we amplify and magnify one another. -- /mari (SpiritCat)Until there are none, adopt one.SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkeesof southeastern Texas[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Depressing stuff- a little OT
Nina, I feel exactly the same as you do. Why pay good money for entertainment only to leave a depressing movie with a sad ending, when we can watch the evening news for free? I don't watch the news either. Once, I thought I was going to go postal when PETA paid for an advertisement on TV showing pigs being killed. I just happened to be flipping through the channels around 11 pm one night and stopped to see what was going on. It happened so quickly and was not something I would have chosen to watch had I known what was going to happen. I resented PETA for putting that on TV. What if kids were watching that? Or a toddler wandered into the living room looking for mom or dad who might be asleep on the couch and saw it? I got so angry, I started throwing things and screaming!!! I couldn't believe my reaction. It made me sick to my stomach. I couldn't bear to watch a helpless animal be tortured like that. If I see an animal being hurt on TV, even if it isn't real, I can't watch it. I guess God gave me a serious compassion for animals. I wrote PETA and the TV station the very next day, because I didn't agree that the advertisement should have been on TV. I know, I know, what about those pigs? I am glad that there are groups out there who are advocating the humane treatment of animals, and I do support them, not all though. I also wonder how humans can be so cruel to one another. I think a lot of it has to do with drug use. So many people steal or kill while under the influence. The devil is out there and he is having a great time. Some forget that he's behind the evil, and anytime he can get his fingers into our lives, he takes the opportunity. Just remember he's out there and keep that in mind if you pray. It's my opinion that no matter what, we will never be totally happy or comfortable in our lives here on Earth, as we are not of this Earth. God never said that our lives would be easy here, and He's right, they aren't. In the meantime, I hope all of you enjoy your lives as much as you can, despite all the horrible things that do go on and do what you can about them, as many of you are already doing. Taking comfort in the little things, the simple pleasures of life, having faith, and prayer is all any of us can do to repel the evil. :) Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Speaking of depressing - Tonya
In a message dated 12/15/05 10:16:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MaryChristine: Beautifully expressed. Thank you /mari I must agree.. MC Nina have a beautiful way of expressing themselves. They always put things in the proper perspective for me...and I appreciate that very much. Patti
Re: Depressing stuff- a little OT (very freakin OT)
I know several drug users, one is my mate, he smokes marijuana, and he is one of the most compassionate, peace loving people I have ever met. The kids that brought Bones (the broken back kitty) to me were also known as part of the druggie crowd, yet they carefully scooped this poor crippled cat in their own hoodie, and brought her to me, because they knew I would know what to do. They were very concerned for her, and do still occasionally drop by my house to smoke pot with my mate, and they always inquire about Bones, and they pet her, and seem very genuinely happy that she is doing so well. True, there are many people on drugs that are bad people, BUT they would STILL be bad people even without any drugs. Most of the worst serial killers were NOT on drugs at the time they were committing murders. How many people do YOU know PERSONALLY that have stolen or killed while on drugs? Or are you, like so many others, just going on hearsay and the brainwashing put forth by our governments? Certainly you MUST have lots of first-hand experience on the topic to state your cause so boldly! The devil doesn't have a damn thing to do with anything. PEOPLE are bad because of how there are raised by other people, and because of the bad experiences in their lives. People make bad people, NOT the devil. The best way to combat evil is to take a proactive approach to children, to make sure that they learn to be compassionate adults, to rear them with values instilled in them that tell them how to treat other beings, be it other humans or animals. Be there for your fellow men, to support them through rough times in their lives, to lend support to them, and to show them that compassionate nurturing in their times of need is a good thing, something they will want to pass on to others. Show compassion for those who are not doing as well as you are, don't look down on the homeless, or the drug users, look to them as people in need of a helping hand, offer it to them, and show them that there is hope for a better tomorrow. Support public assistance for the poor, so they don't have to choose between buying clothes or buying food. Sure, there are people who take advantage of a free ride, but the people that do that NEED to do so, because they know nothing else, and if that is taken from them, they will suffer for it. In yourself, find inner peace, and pull that calm and satisfying emotion from within your inner self, and let it flow from your body, so that you are a beacon of peace and comfort to those around you who face difficulties in their lives. Teach love, respect, and compassion to others who are open to the teachings, so that you can spread the wealth of goodness throughout all mankind. This, all of this, YOU can accomplish, on your own, without seeking the support of any god, and without placing blame on any devil. I am NOT a Christian, and this is not a religious group to be used for preaching about your god, or the evils of your devil, or any such things. You can offer support to others without preaching your religion to them, without trying to convert them. This REALLY isn't the place to slander drug users, take it to a prohibitionist listserve. I don't come in here whine to everyone about Christians, and how they try to convert us all, and how I really think it's less to do with religion and more along the lines of world domination by religious force. Never once on this list have I ever preached about Satanism or Buddhism or Bahá'í or New Age Crystallology or Wicca, or any of the many religions I pull my wisdom from. I RESPECT the right to freedom of religion of others, and know my place in a setting of diverse people such as this list. It's just my opinion, but I think you should find yours. Jenn PS, you will not hear one more word from my on this topic, I have said all I will say on this list, and I apologize to everyone for it, but I felt I must reply to this thread to defend my religion and my friends in the presence of such attack. ~~~ I also wonder how humans can be so cruel to one another. I think a lot of it has to do with drug use. So many people steal or kill while under the influence. The devil is out there and he is having a great time. Some forget that he's behind the evil, and anytime he can get his fingers into our lives, he takes the opportunity. Just remember he's out there and keep that in mind if you pray. It's my opinion that no matter what, we will never be totally happy or comfortable in our lives here on Earth, as we are not of this Earth. God never said that our lives would be easy here, and He's right, they aren't. In the meantime, I hope all of you enjoy your lives as much as you can, despite all the horrible things that do go on and do what you can about them, as many of you are already doing. Taking comfort in the little things, the simple pleasures of life, having
Re: Depressing stuff- a little OT (very freakin OT)
Jenn, I am not talking about pot. I am talking about the drugs that make a person feel as if they need to kill to keep their high going, like heroine, crack, etc. These people can be out of their minds while on these strong mind-altering chemicals. And I am not slandering drug users. I am, however, stating facts. I do not believe that people doing bad things while on these drugs to keep their high are necessarily bad people without the drugs. And no, thank God that I don't have much first-hand experience with drugs; but I have friends and family who work in law enforcement, welfare (my mother), and other fields that come home with stories about the everyday lives of people who use these drugs. Thank you for sharing your opinions with me, and although I agree with a lot of what you say, such as how to raise children, I respectfully disagree with some of it. It would have been nice had you done the same instead of berating me for my views. We are all different and that's what makes the world such an interesting place. I am not here to start any arguments about anything. I am not here to convert anyone. And I do not agree that you respect the right of freedom of religion, as you have berated me here for my religious views. That is part of who I am and it will come through in my writing, and I am asking that you be respectful of that, as I will continue to be respectful of you. If you have anything further to say to me directly, please email me privately, as I do not enjoy being humiliated in front of people I respect. I apologize to all of you for getting off topic. Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
