Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
Sounds like your kitty was trying to help you figure it out Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 3:49 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea... Bob Just as a long shot, consider using Revolution again. I guess I should have remembered this, but there is an immature phase of round worms, which move through the tissues (sometimes causing eye problems) and into the lungs. During the migration of the immature phase, they move into the lungs and causing the cat to cough harshly in order to cough up the immature phase, which then gets swallowed down, ending up back in the intestines all over again. Using Revolution will kill the mature roundworms in the intestines, but not the immature phase. Thus, one needs to use the Revolution for several months in order to catch all the worms in their various phases. Doxycyline has some negative effect on the immature phase, so using both might also assist. I figured out this issue recently when a cat I had had for more than a year, was really losing weight, had very minimal hair growth (sort of stubby hair), and kept vomiting up her food. One day, while cleaning up the vomit, I noticed an adult round worm in the vomit. I couldn’t figure out how my cat would have had worms because I had deflee-ed her when she was just a tiny kitten, and treated her with the kitten Revolution. She was strictly an indoor cat, as all mine are, so there was no source I could figure out for a roundworm infection. I checked it out online, and finally understood that she still had a roundworm infection from kittenhood. Her sister also had lackluster hair growth. I treated both with Revolution and saw an immediate improvement with weight gain and hair growth. However, unfortunately, her sister got pregnant, and I also found out that the immature stage of the roundworm gets passed down to kittens through mother's milk - which must have been how both of them got it in the first place since I picked them up when they were only a few days old. Anyway, the rest of the mystery was solved because the sister got very sick while nursing the kittens - running nose, coughing, temperature, (and again, I couldn’t figure out how that could be, given that she wasn’t exposed to any new cats). The kittens also got sick, and had this TERRIBLE hacking cough and really badly infected eyes which NO topical medication would help, and no antibiotic helped UNTIL I tried the Doxycycline. Everything fell into place for me when I saw the worm in my cat's vomit, and did a bit of research. So, if possible, try Revolution again, and try some Doxycycline and see if that leads to any improvement. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: February-24-18 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea... Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the “ runs” I’m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the shelter to have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original recommendation was to use an antibiotic more common in livestock and aviaries ( tylosin) which was sound but did not take into account that my boy won’t eat his food with this foul tasting abx. I’m reintroducing it..now.. but VERY slowly After a couple of weeks if I can’t get him to a full dose it’s time to change course He’s 15 years old and he can’t afford to lose weight or get dehydrated He’s a foster who was “ supposed” to be back with his owner well before nowbut it looks to me that these guys are going to be a lifespan placement On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:21 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 (Pam Doore) >2. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 (Ardy Robertson) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:49:03 -0500 > From: Pam Doore To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="u
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
This made me wonder if he has IBD. This causes weight loss and diarrhea. My 15 year old cat has has this. He was diagnosed with this 3 years ago and is on prednisolone and B-12 shots.Lorrie On 02-24, Pam Doore wrote: > Hi Bob, My friend's cat I mentioned was a shelter cat who was treated by > both of our vets repeatedly and nothing worked. She was fostering and > finally gave up and took him to her own vet who saw everything that had > been tried and had not worked and went and did very expensive blood work > and then came up with the diagnosis the B12 prednisone and hydrolyzed > protein food. We were both disappointed that neither of the vet practices > that the cat had been to repeatedly and previously had never even > considered this condition as a possibility. If she had not adopted him he > would have been euthanized even though it's a no-kill shelter Praise the > Lord different leadership is at the shelter now and that is not a > possibility anymore. > > My Ally also got picky about food near the end and I definitely don't want > to mess around with the kitty not eating and doing anything to make them > even less inclined to eat. > > It would be more expensive but if you could get the script compounded into > a transdermal to be absorbed through the skin in the ear that would make it > so the meds were not in the food. I am very grateful for transdermal > meds:-D. > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea..
Thank you all for the ideas on treating Diarrhea... A few I recall reading about when I first got Jerry but several are brand new Bentonite and Pectin are seemingly benign enough and easily enough obtainable to add to his regimen Roundworm Larval stages are CERTAINLY not something I would have stumbled upon without Amani’s suggestion and worth serious consideration given that he does have poor hair growth and was vomiting some weeks ago ( it has abated in recent weeks) Problem is, as well, that the shelter has limited funds and does not “really” want to invest too much in a 15 y r old cat that isn’t that ill( yet)... and , for whom, so many things can be attributed to “ old age” ( as though somehow old age is itself a disease and treatment serves no real purpose) No creature dies of OLD age...systems break down and need repair or bolstering...just a LOT more frequently than in most young creatures.. so, as I’ve done in the past.. I will likely embark on some sane interventions on my own and see where they lead I’ve got a lot of ideas now... -bob On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 02:38 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Pam, Sandy et all (dlg...@windstream.net) 2. Re: Diarrhea... (Pam Doore) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 14:35:00 -0500 (EST) From: "dlg...@windstream.net" To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all Message-ID: <100234753.9421148.1519673700102.javamail.zim...@windstream.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH PERPHERIAL T CELL CANCER IN 2000, HAD 10 CATS, 4 WITH LEUKEMIA. TREATMENTS DID NOT WORK, BUT WENT INTO REMISSION 1 YEAR LATER. NEITHER THE CATS OR I SUFFERED. THE FELV CATS DIED OF OLD AGE AND AT 77 I AM STILL AROUND DESPITE DIABETES AND AORTIC VALVE REPLACEMENT. SO I WOULD SAY NEITHER DISEASE HURTS THE OTHER. I CLEANED THE LITER BOXES, FED AND SLEPT WITH MY CATS. - Original Message - From: Pam Doore To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:40:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all Good morning, I have heard that FeLv+ are not concern to any other species including us, so your nephew is safe with your kitty :-D. ~~@~@~@~@~@ Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. ? St. Patrick On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:56 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium wrote: Hello. Has anyone heard of our FelV cats and cancer patients not allowed to be around one another? My felv cat Skylar has been with me 2 years and my nephew moved in who has cancer, I was unsure if they should be sleeping with each other. Thanks for any information. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Doore Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:16 PM To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all Thank you Bob :). I will try to post some pictures sometime of the crew :). A friend had a kitty who had chronic diarrhea and nothing worked. They found it was an autoimmune disease that was treated with B12 shots, prednisone, and hydrolyzed protein. He was on this plan for a few months and has been diarrhea free for several years now. He is also off the hydrolyzed protein food too. His stool is still softer than other cats but no diarrhea. I am extremely familiar with cats not eating food additives and special foods that are supposed to help them. My vet now says, "with any other cat we would do , but this is Becca so will attempt. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 14:37:52 -0500 From: Pam Doore To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea... Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thank you! On Feb 26, 2018 1:35 PM, "Amani Oakley" wrote: No ? it depends on the parasite load. Amani *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
Thank you! On Feb 26, 2018 1:35 PM, "Amani Oakley" <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: > No – it depends on the parasite load. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf > Of *Pam Doore > *Sent:* February-26-18 5:49 AM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea... > > > > Amani, will roundworms aways show up in a fecal? > > > ~~@~@~@~@~@ > > > *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, > Christ beneath me, Christ above me. **—** St. Patrick* > > > > On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 4:48 AM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > wrote: > > Bob > > Just as a long shot, consider using Revolution again. I guess I should > have remembered this, but there is an immature phase of round worms, which > move through the tissues (sometimes causing eye problems) and into the > lungs. During the migration of the immature phase, they move into the > lungs and causing the cat to cough harshly in order to cough up the > immature phase, which then gets swallowed down, ending up back in the > intestines all over again. Using Revolution will kill the mature roundworms > in the intestines, but not the immature phase. Thus, one needs to use the > Revolution for several months in order to catch all the worms in their > various phases. Doxycyline has some negative effect on the immature phase, > so using both might also assist. > > I figured out this issue recently when a cat I had had for more than a > year, was really losing weight, had very minimal hair growth (sort of > stubby hair), and kept vomiting up her food. One day, while cleaning up the > vomit, I noticed an adult round worm in the vomit. I couldn’t figure out > how my cat would have had worms because I had deflee-ed her when she was > just a tiny kitten, and treated her with the kitten Revolution. She was > strictly an indoor cat, as all mine are, so there was no source I could > figure out for a roundworm infection. I checked it out online, and finally > understood that she still had a roundworm infection from kittenhood. Her > sister also had lackluster hair growth. I treated both with Revolution and > saw an immediate improvement with weight gain and hair growth. However, > unfortunately, her sister got pregnant, and I also found out that the > immature stage of the roundworm gets passed down to kittens through > mother's milk - which must have been how both of them got it in the first > place since I picked them up when they were only a few days old. Anyway, > the rest of the mystery was solved because the sister got very sick while > nursing the kittens - running nose, coughing, temperature, (and again, I > couldn’t figure out how that could be, given that she wasn’t exposed to any > new cats). The kittens also got sick, and had this TERRIBLE hacking cough > and really badly infected eyes which NO topical medication would help, and > no antibiotic helped UNTIL I tried the Doxycycline. > > Everything fell into place for me when I saw the worm in my cat's vomit, > and did a bit of research. > > So, if possible, try Revolution again, and try some Doxycycline and see if > that leads to any improvement. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > ROBERT CHAPEL > Sent: February-24-18 12:22 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea... > > Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the “ runs” > I’m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the > shelter to have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original > recommendation was to use an antibiotic more common in livestock and > aviaries ( tylosin) which was sound but did not take into account that my > boy won’t eat his food with this foul tasting abx. I’m reintroducing > it..now.. but VERY slowly After a couple of weeks if I can’t get him to > a full dose it’s time to change course He’s 15 years old and he can’t > afford to lose weight or get dehydrated He’s a foster who was “ > supposed” to be back with his owner well before nowbut it looks to > me that these guys are going to be a lifespan placement > > > On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:21 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > wrote: > > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or bod
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
No – it depends on the parasite load. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Doore Sent: February-26-18 5:49 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea... Amani, will roundworms aways show up in a fecal? ~~@~@~@~@~@ Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — St. Patrick On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 4:48 AM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Bob Just as a long shot, consider using Revolution again. I guess I should have remembered this, but there is an immature phase of round worms, which move through the tissues (sometimes causing eye problems) and into the lungs. During the migration of the immature phase, they move into the lungs and causing the cat to cough harshly in order to cough up the immature phase, which then gets swallowed down, ending up back in the intestines all over again. Using Revolution will kill the mature roundworms in the intestines, but not the immature phase. Thus, one needs to use the Revolution for several months in order to catch all the worms in their various phases. Doxycyline has some negative effect on the immature phase, so using both might also assist. I figured out this issue recently when a cat I had had for more than a year, was really losing weight, had very minimal hair growth (sort of stubby hair), and kept vomiting up her food. One day, while cleaning up the vomit, I noticed an adult round worm in the vomit. I couldn’t figure out how my cat would have had worms because I had deflee-ed her when she was just a tiny kitten, and treated her with the kitten Revolution. She was strictly an indoor cat, as all mine are, so there was no source I could figure out for a roundworm infection. I checked it out online, and finally understood that she still had a roundworm infection from kittenhood. Her sister also had lackluster hair growth. I treated both with Revolution and saw an immediate improvement with weight gain and hair growth. However, unfortunately, her sister got pregnant, and I also found out that the immature stage of the roundworm gets passed down to kittens through mother's milk - which must have been how both of them got it in the first place since I picked them up when they were only a few days old. Anyway, the rest of the mystery was solved because the sister got very sick while nursing the kittens - running nose, coughing, temperature, (and again, I couldn’t figure out how that could be, given that she wasn’t exposed to any new cats). The kittens also got sick, and had this TERRIBLE hacking cough and really badly infected eyes which NO topical medication would help, and no antibiotic helped UNTIL I tried the Doxycycline. Everything fell into place for me when I saw the worm in my cat's vomit, and did a bit of research. So, if possible, try Revolution again, and try some Doxycycline and see if that leads to any improvement. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: February-24-18 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea... Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the “ runs” I’m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the shelter to have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original recommendation was to use an antibiotic more common in livestock and aviaries ( tylosin) which was sound but did not take into account that my boy won’t eat his food with this foul tasting abx. I’m reintroducing it..now.. but VERY slowly After a couple of weeks if I can’t get him to a full dose it’s time to change course He’s 15 years old and he can’t afford to lose weight or get dehydrated He’s a foster who was “ supposed” to be back with his owner well before nowbut it looks to me that these guys are going to be a lifespan placement On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:21 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org> wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org> > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > th
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
Amani, will roundworms aways show up in a fecal? ~~@~@~@~@~@ *Christ beside me, Christ before me, Christ behind me, Christ within me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me. — **St. Patrick* On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 4:48 AM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote: > Bob > > Just as a long shot, consider using Revolution again. I guess I should > have remembered this, but there is an immature phase of round worms, which > move through the tissues (sometimes causing eye problems) and into the > lungs. During the migration of the immature phase, they move into the > lungs and causing the cat to cough harshly in order to cough up the > immature phase, which then gets swallowed down, ending up back in the > intestines all over again. Using Revolution will kill the mature roundworms > in the intestines, but not the immature phase. Thus, one needs to use the > Revolution for several months in order to catch all the worms in their > various phases. Doxycyline has some negative effect on the immature phase, > so using both might also assist. > > I figured out this issue recently when a cat I had had for more than a > year, was really losing weight, had very minimal hair growth (sort of > stubby hair), and kept vomiting up her food. One day, while cleaning up the > vomit, I noticed an adult round worm in the vomit. I couldn’t figure out > how my cat would have had worms because I had deflee-ed her when she was > just a tiny kitten, and treated her with the kitten Revolution. She was > strictly an indoor cat, as all mine are, so there was no source I could > figure out for a roundworm infection. I checked it out online, and finally > understood that she still had a roundworm infection from kittenhood. Her > sister also had lackluster hair growth. I treated both with Revolution and > saw an immediate improvement with weight gain and hair growth. However, > unfortunately, her sister got pregnant, and I also found out that the > immature stage of the roundworm gets passed down to kittens through > mother's milk - which must have been how both of them got it in the first > place since I picked them up when they were only a few days old. Anyway, > the rest of the mystery was solved because the sister got very sick while > nursing the kittens - running nose, coughing, temperature, (and again, I > couldn’t figure out how that could be, given that she wasn’t exposed to any > new cats). The kittens also got sick, and had this TERRIBLE hacking cough > and really badly infected eyes which NO topical medication would help, and > no antibiotic helped UNTIL I tried the Doxycycline. > > Everything fell into place for me when I saw the worm in my cat's vomit, > and did a bit of research. > > So, if possible, try Revolution again, and try some Doxycycline and see if > that leads to any improvement. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > ROBERT CHAPEL > Sent: February-24-18 12:22 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea... > > Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the “ runs” > I’m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the > shelter to have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original > recommendation was to use an antibiotic more common in livestock and > aviaries ( tylosin) which was sound but did not take into account that my > boy won’t eat his food with this foul tasting abx. I’m reintroducing > it..now.. but VERY slowly After a couple of weeks if I can’t get him to > a full dose it’s time to change course He’s 15 years old and he can’t > afford to lose weight or get dehydrated He’s a foster who was “ > supposed” to be back with his owner well before nowbut it looks to > me that these guys are going to be a lifespan placement > > > On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:21 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > wrote: > > > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > >1. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 (Pam Doore) > >2. Re: Felvtalk Dig
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
Bob Just as a long shot, consider using Revolution again. I guess I should have remembered this, but there is an immature phase of round worms, which move through the tissues (sometimes causing eye problems) and into the lungs. During the migration of the immature phase, they move into the lungs and causing the cat to cough harshly in order to cough up the immature phase, which then gets swallowed down, ending up back in the intestines all over again. Using Revolution will kill the mature roundworms in the intestines, but not the immature phase. Thus, one needs to use the Revolution for several months in order to catch all the worms in their various phases. Doxycyline has some negative effect on the immature phase, so using both might also assist. I figured out this issue recently when a cat I had had for more than a year, was really losing weight, had very minimal hair growth (sort of stubby hair), and kept vomiting up her food. One day, while cleaning up the vomit, I noticed an adult round worm in the vomit. I couldn’t figure out how my cat would have had worms because I had deflee-ed her when she was just a tiny kitten, and treated her with the kitten Revolution. She was strictly an indoor cat, as all mine are, so there was no source I could figure out for a roundworm infection. I checked it out online, and finally understood that she still had a roundworm infection from kittenhood. Her sister also had lackluster hair growth. I treated both with Revolution and saw an immediate improvement with weight gain and hair growth. However, unfortunately, her sister got pregnant, and I also found out that the immature stage of the roundworm gets passed down to kittens through mother's milk - which must have been how both of them got it in the first place since I picked them up when they were only a few days old. Anyway, the rest of the mystery was solved because the sister got very sick while nursing the kittens - running nose, coughing, temperature, (and again, I couldn’t figure out how that could be, given that she wasn’t exposed to any new cats). The kittens also got sick, and had this TERRIBLE hacking cough and really badly infected eyes which NO topical medication would help, and no antibiotic helped UNTIL I tried the Doxycycline. Everything fell into place for me when I saw the worm in my cat's vomit, and did a bit of research. So, if possible, try Revolution again, and try some Doxycycline and see if that leads to any improvement. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: February-24-18 12:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea... Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the “ runs” I’m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the shelter to have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original recommendation was to use an antibiotic more common in livestock and aviaries ( tylosin) which was sound but did not take into account that my boy won’t eat his food with this foul tasting abx. I’m reintroducing it..now.. but VERY slowly After a couple of weeks if I can’t get him to a full dose it’s time to change course He’s 15 years old and he can’t afford to lose weight or get dehydrated He’s a foster who was “ supposed” to be back with his owner well before nowbut it looks to me that these guys are going to be a lifespan placement On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:21 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 (Pam Doore) >2. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 (Ardy Robertson) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:49:03 -0500 > From: Pam Doore To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > *Hi Bob and all, * > > > *I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions > about not seeing posts.* > > > *I lost my Ally three days after Christmas. A little less than a > month > later I was notified by a parent of one of
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea (for Bob)
Bob, Bentonite edible white clay and pectin work wonders for diarrhea! These are natural remedies and the dosage does not have to be exact. I mix a bit of clay and open a capsule of apple pectin with water and syringe a 3cc syringe, almost full, into the cats mouth. It does not taste bad (no taste) but of course the cat will protest as they alwayss do :-( Pet shops or Swanson Viamins carry both products. Lorrie and ten rescued cats at home. On 02-22, Ardy Robertson wrote: > Hi Bob, > > If all else has failed to cure Jerry's diarrhea, you might try an > extremely old remedy that was used on humans back in the 1930's. > They used a cast iron frying pan and burned flour in it. I don't > think they used any oil of any kind - just the flour and possibly a > small amount of water, and just stir it until it browns and sort of > burns. Then get him to eat a small amount. Apparently this was > given to babies who had life-threatening diarrhea when nothing else > worked. > > > > I suppose though, if you can't get it stopped, it might be > something like a parasite causing it? Not surejust trying to > help > > > > Ardy > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea....
i HAVE A NEW VET AND SHE IS OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS FOR TREATING ANYTHING WILL STICK WITH HER FOR LIFE. . - Original Message - From: Pam Doore <thyme2s...@gmail.com> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 08:58:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea... Hi Bob, My friend's cat I mentioned was a shelter cat who was treated by both of our vets repeatedly and nothing worked. She was fostering and finally gave up and took him to her own vet who saw everything that had been tried and had not worked and went and did very expensive blood work and then came up with the diagnosis the B12 prednisone and hydrolyzed protein food. We were both disappointed that neither of the vet practices that the cat had been to repeatedly and previously had never even considered this condition as a possibility. If she had not adopted him he would have been euthanized even though it's a no-kill shelter Praise the Lord different leadership is at the shelter now and that is not a possibility anymore. My Ally also got picky about food near the end and I definitely don't want to mess around with the kitty not eating and doing anything to make them even less inclined to eat. It would be more expensive but if you could get the script compounded into a transdermal to be absorbed through the skin in the ear that would make it so the meds were not in the food. I am very grateful for transdermal meds:-D. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
Hi Bob, My friend's cat I mentioned was a shelter cat who was treated by both of our vets repeatedly and nothing worked. She was fostering and finally gave up and took him to her own vet who saw everything that had been tried and had not worked and went and did very expensive blood work and then came up with the diagnosis the B12 prednisone and hydrolyzed protein food. We were both disappointed that neither of the vet practices that the cat had been to repeatedly and previously had never even considered this condition as a possibility. If she had not adopted him he would have been euthanized even though it's a no-kill shelter Praise the Lord different leadership is at the shelter now and that is not a possibility anymore. My Ally also got picky about food near the end and I definitely don't want to mess around with the kitty not eating and doing anything to make them even less inclined to eat. It would be more expensive but if you could get the script compounded into a transdermal to be absorbed through the skin in the ear that would make it so the meds were not in the food. I am very grateful for transdermal meds:-D. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...
Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the “ runs” I’m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the shelter to have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original recommendation was to use an antibiotic more common in livestock and aviaries ( tylosin) which was sound but did not take into account that my boy won’t eat his food with this foul tasting abx. I’m reintroducing it..now.. but VERY slowly After a couple of weeks if I can’t get him to a full dose it’s time to change course He’s 15 years old and he can’t afford to lose weight or get dehydrated He’s a foster who was “ supposed” to be back with his owner well before nowbut it looks to me that these guys are going to be a lifespan placement On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:21 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 (Pam Doore) 2. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 (Ardy Robertson) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:49:03 -0500 From: Pam Doore To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" *Hi Bob and all, * *I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions about not seeing posts.* *I lost my Ally three days after Christmas. A little less than a month later I was notified by a parent of one of my students about a 6+-year-old boy who was Fiv+ and FelV+; owner died and was at a shelter in the southern tier of NY. He is doing well and his name is also Tommy. I took home a FIV+ older cat (vet through FIV was flaring and I wanted him to have a home and lots of love for whatever time he has. He is playing, eating, and giving lots of love and demanding lots of love! He is living in my Master suit while he is being vaccinated against FelV+ and can be with his Sunny and Tommy who are super eager to meet him :). * On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:37 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote: Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided to unsubscribe Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few months ??? I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any FELV+ for a few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, mercifully, so far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest and cutest of the bunch) quessing the others had been older when they had their exposure Think we might already have a place that will give a home to this cutie unfortunately not a family... but better than having the little guy in isolation here at our shelter. He needs company Hope all is well with your Kitties my two old guys are doing pretty well. Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new lease on life. He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER Jerry is still suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking for ways to control it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have failed so far. Bob in Warwick NY -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:21:24 -0600 From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 Message-ID: <000a01d3ac55$6357$2a05$@centurytel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Bob, If all else has failed to cure Jerry's diarrhea, you might try an extremely old remedy that was used on humans back in the 1930's. They used a cast iron frying pan and burned flour in it. I don't think they used any oil of any kind - just the flour and possibly a small amount of water, and just stir it until it browns and sort of burns. Then get him to eat a small amount. Apparently this was given to babies who had life-threatening diarrhea when nothing else worked. I suppose though, if you can't get it stopped, it might be something like a parasite causing it? Not surejust trying to help ? Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1 Odd that we ar
Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea
Thank you Lance. Being new at this, I'm not sure what is good for a cat with FeLV and what is not. I did contact the vet and she asked me to start a probiotic, which I have Mercola's "Complete Probiotics for Pets." Can I safely use both? Nancy & Kit -Original Message- From: Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 9:13 am Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea Hi Nancy, I used to give Ember plain (not spiced for pies) canned pumpkin when she had diarrhea. She would eat it on its own out of a bowl, though I think most people mix it with wet food. Pumpkin is gentle and can firm up things a bit. Ember periodically had diarrhea, though it was only two or three times a year. Along with pumpkin, I would also fast her for 12-18 hours, and that would give her system time to get back on track. Just be very careful with the fasting. 18 hours might have been a bit too long, though neither Ember (nor her liver) ever showed any signs for the worse from it. Best to you and Kit, Lance On Feb 10, 2016, at 7:11 AM, gidge...@aol.com wrote: Hello everyone, so far it has been all good news for Kit. Blood work perfect. About 4 days ago, she developed diarrhea. While she is not running to the litterbox all the time, when she does go (maybe twice daily or 3), it is watery. I know FeLV cats could develop IBD. Could this be it? How and what would you all suggest? I have probiotics (Complete for Pets by Dr. Mercola) and I also have Digestive Enzymes which also contains probiotics. Would either of these (or both) help? Would appreciate your opinions. I also sent an email to the vet. Thank you! Nancy & Kit ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea
Hi Nancy, I used to give Ember plain (not spiced for pies) canned pumpkin when she had diarrhea. She would eat it on its own out of a bowl, though I think most people mix it with wet food. Pumpkin is gentle and can firm up things a bit. Ember periodically had diarrhea, though it was only two or three times a year. Along with pumpkin, I would also fast her for 12-18 hours, and that would give her system time to get back on track. Just be very careful with the fasting. 18 hours might have been a bit too long, though neither Ember (nor her liver) ever showed any signs for the worse from it. Best to you and Kit, Lance > On Feb 10, 2016, at 7:11 AM, gidge...@aol.com wrote: > > Hello everyone, so far it has been all good news for Kit. Blood work > perfect. About > 4 days ago, she developed diarrhea. While she is not running to the > litterbox all > the time, when she does go (maybe twice daily or 3), it is watery. I know > FeLV > cats could develop IBD. Could this be it? How and what would you all > suggest? > I have probiotics (Complete for Pets by Dr. Mercola) and I also have Digestive > Enzymes which also contains probiotics. Would either of these (or both) help? > > Would appreciate your opinions. I also sent an email to the vet. > > Thank you! > > Nancy & Kit > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea
Could Kit have pumpkin and a probiotic at the same time? Ultimately up to your vet, but I would think they would be fine together. Plain pumpkin is just fiber that should help slow things down. The only catch is that Kit may not like it, but it’s cheap and widely available, so maybe worth a shot. Lance > On Feb 10, 2016, at 9:36 AM, gidge...@aol.com wrote: > > Thank you Lance. Being new at this, I'm not sure what is good for a cat with > FeLV and what is not. > I did contact the vet and she asked me to start a probiotic, which I have > Mercola's "Complete Probiotics for Pets." > Can I safely use both? > > Nancy & Kit > > > -Original Message- > From: Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> > To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 9:13 am > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea > > Hi Nancy, > > I used to give Ember plain (not spiced for pies) canned pumpkin when she had > diarrhea. She would eat it on its own out of a bowl, though I think most > people mix it with wet food. Pumpkin is gentle and can firm up things a bit. > > Ember periodically had diarrhea, though it was only two or three times a > year. Along with pumpkin, I would also fast her for 12-18 hours, and that > would give her system time to get back on track. Just be very careful with > the fasting. 18 hours might have been a bit too long, though neither Ember > (nor her liver) ever showed any signs for the worse from it. > > Best to you and Kit, > > Lance > > On Feb 10, 2016, at 7:11 AM, gidge...@aol.com <mailto:gidge...@aol.com> wrote: > > Hello everyone, so far it has been all good news for Kit. Blood work > perfect. About > 4 days ago, she developed diarrhea. While she is not running to the > litterbox all > the time, when she does go (maybe twice daily or 3), it is watery. I know > FeLV > cats could develop IBD. Could this be it? How and what would you all > suggest? > I have probiotics (Complete for Pets by Dr. Mercola) and I also have Digestive > Enzymes which also contains probiotics. Would either of these (or both) help? > > Would appreciate your opinions. I also sent an email to the vet. > > Thank you! > > Nancy & Kit > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > <http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > <http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea
That makes sense. I had a good working relationship with Ember’s vet, and I almost always deferred to her on any changes I made. It’s a good thing to have everyone on the same page. Keep us posted! Lance > On Feb 10, 2016, at 10:44 AM, gidge...@aol.com wrote: > > Lance, I just spoke to Kit's vet and she would like to just start off with > the probiotics first. > Just add one thing in to see Kit's reaction. So we will begin with that. > > I had one cat who loved pumpkin and licked it off the spoon. She never had a > BM problem! :-) > > Thx again! > Nancy > > > -Original Message- > From: Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> > To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 11:34 am > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea > > Could Kit have pumpkin and a probiotic at the same time? Ultimately up to > your vet, but I would think they would be fine together. Plain pumpkin is > just fiber that should help slow things down. The only catch is that Kit may > not like it, but it’s cheap and widely available, so maybe worth a shot. > > Lance > > On Feb 10, 2016, at 9:36 AM, gidge...@aol.com <mailto:gidge...@aol.com> wrote: > > Thank you Lance. Being new at this, I'm not sure what is good for a cat with > FeLV and what is not. > I did contact the vet and she asked me to start a probiotic, which I have > Mercola's "Complete Probiotics for Pets." > Can I safely use both? > > Nancy & Kit > > > -Original Message- > From: Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm <mailto:lini...@fastmail.fm>> > To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> > Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 9:13 am > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea > > Hi Nancy, > > I used to give Ember plain (not spiced for pies) canned pumpkin when she had > diarrhea. She would eat it on its own out of a bowl, though I think most > people mix it with wet food. Pumpkin is gentle and can firm up things a bit. > > Ember periodically had diarrhea, though it was only two or three times a > year. Along with pumpkin, I would also fast her for 12-18 hours, and that > would give her system time to get back on track. Just be very careful with > the fasting. 18 hours might have been a bit too long, though neither Ember > (nor her liver) ever showed any signs for the worse from it. > > Best to you and Kit, > > Lance > > On Feb 10, 2016, at 7:11 AM, gidge...@aol.com <mailto:gidge...@aol.com> wrote: > > Hello everyone, so far it has been all good news for Kit. Blood work > perfect. About > 4 days ago, she developed diarrhea. While she is not running to the > litterbox all > the time, when she does go (maybe twice daily or 3), it is watery. I know > FeLV > cats could develop IBD. Could this be it? How and what would you all > suggest? > I have probiotics (Complete for Pets by Dr. Mercola) and I also have Digestive > Enzymes which also contains probiotics. Would either of these (or both) help? > > Would appreciate your opinions. I also sent an email to the vet. > > Thank you! > > Nancy & Kit > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > <http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > <http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > <http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > <http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org> > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea
Lance, I just spoke to Kit's vet and she would like to just start off with the probiotics first. Just add one thing in to see Kit's reaction. So we will begin with that. I had one cat who loved pumpkin and licked it off the spoon. She never had a BM problem! :-) Thx again! Nancy -Original Message- From: Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 11:34 am Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea Could Kit have pumpkin and a probiotic at the same time? Ultimately up to your vet, but I would think they would be fine together. Plain pumpkin is just fiber that should help slow things down. The only catch is that Kit may not like it, but it’s cheap and widely available, so maybe worth a shot. Lance On Feb 10, 2016, at 9:36 AM, gidge...@aol.com wrote: Thank you Lance. Being new at this, I'm not sure what is good for a cat with FeLV and what is not. I did contact the vet and she asked me to start a probiotic, which I have Mercola's "Complete Probiotics for Pets." Can I safely use both? Nancy & Kit -Original Message- From: Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 9:13 am Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea Hi Nancy, I used to give Ember plain (not spiced for pies) canned pumpkin when she had diarrhea. She would eat it on its own out of a bowl, though I think most people mix it with wet food. Pumpkin is gentle and can firm up things a bit. Ember periodically had diarrhea, though it was only two or three times a year. Along with pumpkin, I would also fast her for 12-18 hours, and that would give her system time to get back on track. Just be very careful with the fasting. 18 hours might have been a bit too long, though neither Ember (nor her liver) ever showed any signs for the worse from it. Best to you and Kit, Lance On Feb 10, 2016, at 7:11 AM, gidge...@aol.com wrote: Hello everyone, so far it has been all good news for Kit. Blood work perfect. About 4 days ago, she developed diarrhea. While she is not running to the litterbox all the time, when she does go (maybe twice daily or 3), it is watery. I know FeLV cats could develop IBD. Could this be it? How and what would you all suggest? I have probiotics (Complete for Pets by Dr. Mercola) and I also have Digestive Enzymes which also contains probiotics. Would either of these (or both) help? Would appreciate your opinions. I also sent an email to the vet. Thank you! Nancy & Kit ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea
I will Lance. Thank you! Nancy -Original Message- From: Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 12:23 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea That makes sense. I had a good working relationship with Ember’s vet, and I almost always deferred to her on any changes I made. It’s a good thing to have everyone on the same page. Keep us posted! Lance On Feb 10, 2016, at 10:44 AM, gidge...@aol.com wrote: Lance, I just spoke to Kit's vet and she would like to just start off with the probiotics first. Just add one thing in to see Kit's reaction. So we will begin with that. I had one cat who loved pumpkin and licked it off the spoon. She never had a BM problem! :-) Thx again! Nancy -Original Message- From: Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 11:34 am Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea Could Kit have pumpkin and a probiotic at the same time? Ultimately up to your vet, but I would think they would be fine together. Plain pumpkin is just fiber that should help slow things down. The only catch is that Kit may not like it, but it’s cheap and widely available, so maybe worth a shot. Lance On Feb 10, 2016, at 9:36 AM, gidge...@aol.com wrote: Thank you Lance. Being new at this, I'm not sure what is good for a cat with FeLV and what is not. I did contact the vet and she asked me to start a probiotic, which I have Mercola's "Complete Probiotics for Pets." Can I safely use both? Nancy & Kit -Original Message- From: Lance <lini...@fastmail.fm> To: felvtalk <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 9:13 am Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea Hi Nancy, I used to give Ember plain (not spiced for pies) canned pumpkin when she had diarrhea. She would eat it on its own out of a bowl, though I think most people mix it with wet food. Pumpkin is gentle and can firm up things a bit. Ember periodically had diarrhea, though it was only two or three times a year. Along with pumpkin, I would also fast her for 12-18 hours, and that would give her system time to get back on track. Just be very careful with the fasting. 18 hours might have been a bit too long, though neither Ember (nor her liver) ever showed any signs for the worse from it. Best to you and Kit, Lance On Feb 10, 2016, at 7:11 AM, gidge...@aol.com wrote: Hello everyone, so far it has been all good news for Kit. Blood work perfect. About 4 days ago, she developed diarrhea. While she is not running to the litterbox all the time, when she does go (maybe twice daily or 3), it is watery. I know FeLV cats could develop IBD. Could this be it? How and what would you all suggest? I have probiotics (Complete for Pets by Dr. Mercola) and I also have Digestive Enzymes which also contains probiotics. Would either of these (or both) help? Would appreciate your opinions. I also sent an email to the vet. Thank you! Nancy & Kit ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea
Hello everyone, so far it has been all good news for Kit. Blood work perfect. About 4 days ago, she developed diarrhea. While she is not running to the litterbox all the time, when she does go (maybe twice daily or 3), it is watery. I know FeLV cats could develop IBD. Could this be it? How and what would you all suggest? I have probiotics (Complete for Pets by Dr. Mercola) and I also have Digestive Enzymes which also contains probiotics. Would either of these (or both) help? Would appreciate your opinions. I also sent an email to the vet. Thank you! Nancy & Kit ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco has diarrhea
CASEY HAD DIAHREA, WE THOUGHT. ACTUALLY SHE WAS CONSTIPATED AND I WAS FEEDING SOFT FOODS AND SHE WAS DRINKING A LOT. WHAT CAME OUT LOOKED LIKE DIAHREA. Kelley moonv...@gmail.com wrote: I fear giardiasis. We're going to vet tomorrow Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Coco has diarrhea
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Sending you positive thoughts! On Jul 29, 2014 8:47 PM, Kelley moonv...@gmail.com wrote: I fear giardiasis. We're going to vet tomorrow Sent from my iPhone ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] diarrhea
If a vet visit is necessary you might want to purchase At Ease. It's put out by Whisker City and can be purchased at PetsMart. WalMart also sells it. I usually spray the carrier about 15 minutes to a half hour before the cat has to be put inside. The spray is safe but it's better to let it dry a bit so the cat won't get it all over himself. it's a combination of herbs which is supposed to act like pheromones to relax the cat. It actually works. I was quite surprised. I had one howler who was louder than sirens all the way to the vet. When I finally was told about At Ease, I sprayed the carrier and the howling was down to a few meows and then he just gave up and sat for the ride. Is Pugs a long hair Persian type? He may have groomed himself into a hairball. The part about throwing up would worry me. From: laurak...@aol.com laurak...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] diarrhea Thanks all for the suggestions. At the shelter he was dewormed, but if the stool is the same tomorrow I will take a sample to the vet to rule any parasites out and go from there. Next step will be an actual visit. Hoping it won't come to that as it stresses him out so much. Will keep you posted, Laura, Dani Pugs ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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If it persists more than a day a vet visit would be in order to get him checked out to see what the root of the problem is. If you don't know the cause you cannot properly treat it. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: laurak...@aol.com laurak...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 12:51 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] diarrhea Hi everyone, I joined the group early in the year when I adopted my sweet felv+ kitten, Dani (who turned a year on June 1st :) About three months ago I adopted another felv+ kitten around Dani's age, Pugsly (he looks just like a little pug--upturned nose and big round eyes.) Pugsly has persistent herpes flare-ups but got that under control with upping his lysine to 500mg twice a day and he's been pretty much fine. Yesterday, though, I found vomit and diarrhea, which I was able to determine to be his. I noticed he didn't eat yeaterday or today with his usual gusto--it's usually gone in a nanosecond. His stool is pasty and jelly-like. There was a very faint pinkish hue to some of it yeaterday. He is still active but not his usual spazzy self. I started probiotic this morning and hope it will help. He is not feverish and is hydrated. Dani is totally fine. He also gets NuCat vitamins, two twice a day, and is on a grain free wet food only diet. I was going to try some pumpkin in his food...I was wondering what other suggestions there are for treating the diarrhea. I also have slippery elm bark. I know I can call my vet and get flagyl or tylan powder but wanted to reach out here first. I just hate giving antibiotics when it's not known if it's a bacterial cause. Thanks for reading, Laura, Dani and her bff Pugsly ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] diarrhea
Hi everyone, I joined the group early in the year when I adopted my sweet felv+ kitten, Dani (who turned a year on June 1st :) About three months ago I adopted another felv+ kitten around Dani's age, Pugsly (he looks just like a little pug--upturned nose and big round eyes.) Pugsly has persistent herpes flare-ups but got that under control with upping his lysine to 500mg twice a day and he's been pretty much fine. Yesterday, though, I found vomit and diarrhea, which I was able to determine to be his. I noticed he didn't eat yeaterday or today with his usual gusto--it's usually gone in a nanosecond. His stool is pasty and jelly-like. There was a very faint pinkish hue to some of it yeaterday. He is still active but not his usual spazzy self. I started probiotic this morning and hope it will help. He is not feverish and is hydrated. Dani is totally fine. He also gets NuCat vitamins, two twice a day, and is on a grain free wet food only diet. I was going to try some pumpkin in his food...I was wondering what other suggestions there are for treating the diarrhea. I also have slippery elm bark. I know I can call my vet and get flagyl or tylan powder but wanted to reach out here first. I just hate giving antibiotics when it's not known if it's a bacterial cause. Thanks for reading, Laura, Dani and her bff Pugsly ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Laura, Has he been dewormed? If a stool sample turns up negative, consider trying FortiFlora. Or maybe that's the pro-biotic you mentioned. My 4 month old positive kittens recently went through a bout of diarrhea (where no parasites showed on a fecal float) that cleared up with FortiFlora. Katherine On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:51 PM, laurak...@aol.com wrote: Hi everyone, I joined the group early in the year when I adopted my sweet felv+ kitten, Dani (who turned a year on June 1st :) About three months ago I adopted another felv+ kitten around Dani's age, Pugsly (he looks just like a little pug--upturned nose and big round eyes.) Pugsly has persistent herpes flare-ups but got that under control with upping his lysine to 500mg twice a day and he's been pretty much fine. Yesterday, though, I found vomit and diarrhea, which I was able to determine to be his. I noticed he didn't eat yeaterday or today with his usual gusto--it's usually gone in a nanosecond. His stool is pasty and jelly-like. There was a very faint pinkish hue to some of it yeaterday. He is still active but not his usual spazzy self. I started probiotic this morning and hope it will help. He is not feverish and is hydrated. Dani is totally fine. He also gets NuCat vitamins, two twice a day, and is on a grain free wet food only diet. I was going to try some pumpkin in his food...I was wondering what other suggestions there are for treating the diarrhea. I also have slippery elm bark. I know I can call my vet and get flagyl or tylan powder but wanted to reach out here first. I just hate giving antibiotics when it's not known if it's a bacterial cause. Thanks for reading, Laura, Dani and her bff Pugsly ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi, I totally agree, if it last more than 24hr you should take her to the vet to get blood work and look at the stool as well. Best of luck, Maryam Sent from my iPhone. On Sep 4, 2013, at 13:08, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: If it persists more than a day a vet visit would be in order to get him checked out to see what the root of the problem is. If you don't know the cause you cannot properly treat it. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: laurak...@aol.com laurak...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 4, 2013 12:51 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] diarrhea Hi everyone, I joined the group early in the year when I adopted my sweet felv+ kitten, Dani (who turned a year on June 1st :) About three months ago I adopted another felv+ kitten around Dani's age, Pugsly (he looks just like a little pug--upturned nose and big round eyes.) Pugsly has persistent herpes flare-ups but got that under control with upping his lysine to 500mg twice a day and he's been pretty much fine. Yesterday, though, I found vomit and diarrhea, which I was able to determine to be his. I noticed he didn't eat yeaterday or today with his usual gusto--it's usually gone in a nanosecond. His stool is pasty and jelly-like. There was a very faint pinkish hue to some of it yeaterday. He is still active but not his usual spazzy self. I started probiotic this morning and hope it will help. He is not feverish and is hydrated. Dani is totally fine. He also gets NuCat vitamins, two twice a day, and is on a grain free wet food only diet. I was going to try some pumpkin in his food...I was wondering what other suggestions there are for treating the diarrhea. I also have slippery elm bark. I know I can call my vet and get flagyl or tylan powder but wanted to reach out here first. I just hate giving antibiotics when it's not known if it's a bacterial cause. Thanks for reading, Laura, Dani and her bff Pugsly ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Laura, I'd involve the Vet. Take a stool sample if you don't want to take Pugsley himself, and let the Vet see the consistency and mucous, and test for parasites.This doesn't sound like what I'd consider "normal" diarrhea. I know that sounds like a contradiction, but common causes (food issues, parasites, stress)don't usuallypresent that way. Especially with a compromised cat, better to find the cause and resolve the underlying problem. If you do want to ask for an antibiotic, I'd suggest Clavamox rather than either flagyl or tylan, both of which can have significant side effects. Doing some searching about L-Lysine, I see a few entries about high doses causing "Digestive issues", But I've never had any problems with it. I don't use it much anymore, and use famciclovir when herpes raises it's ugly head, but every cat is an individual. Pugsley may not tolerate that level on L-Lysine. I think it's something else. I hope it either resolves quickly on it's own, or turns out to be something simple. All the best, Margo -Original Message- From: laurak...@aol.com Sent: Sep 4, 2013 12:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] diarrhea Hi everyone,I joined the group early in the year when I adopted my sweet felv+ kitten, Dani (who turned a year on June 1st :) About three months ago I adopted another felv+ kitten around Dani's age, Pugsly (he looks just like a little pug--upturned nose and b ig round eyes.)Pugsly has persistent herpes flare-ups but got that under control with upping his lysine to 500mg twice a day and he's been pretty much fine. Yesterday, though, I found vomit and diarrhea, which I was able to determine to be his. I noticed he didn't eat yeaterday or today with his usual gusto--it's usually gone in a nanosecond. His stool is pasty and jelly-like. There was a very faint pinkish hue to some of it yeaterday. He is still active but not his usual spazzy self. I started probiotic this morning and hope it will help.He is not feverish and is hydrated. Dani is totally fine.He also gets NuCat vitamins, two twice a day, and is on a grain free wet food only diet.I was going to try some pumpkin in his food...I was wondering what other suggestions there are for treating the diarrhea. I also have slippery elm bark.I know I can call my vet and get flagyl or tylan powder but wanted to reach out here first. I just hate giving antibiotics when it's not known if it's a bacterial cause.Thanks for reading,Laura, Dani and her bff Pugsly ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks all for the suggestions. At the shelter he was dewormed, but if the stool is the same tomorrow I will take a sample to the vet to rule any parasites out and go from there. Next step will be an actual visit. Hoping it won't come to that as it stresses him out so much. Will keep you posted, Laura, Dani Pugs ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Please try some rescue remedy Bach flowers if you have to take him; it might help ease him. Best, Mally Sent from my iPhone. On Sep 4, 2013, at 18:22, laurak...@aol.com wrote: Thanks all for the suggestions. At the shelter he was dewormed, but if the stool is the same tomorrow I will take a sample to the vet to rule any parasites out and go from there. Next step will be an actual visit. Hoping it won't come to that as it stresses him out so much. Will keep you posted, Laura, Dani Pugs ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Gary, Have they been checked for Trichomonas foetus? That was the first thing that came to mind when I read your post. See if this might make sense; http://www.cvm.ncsu.edu/docs/documents/ownersguide_tfoetus_revised_122009_final.pdf You might be able to stop the actual diarrhea with loperomide, but that's short term and won't eliminate the cause. Have they ever lived together? Have they been treated for parasites even if they don't show up in a fecal? Most worms/parasites only show intermittantly, so I always try a course of panacur for diarrhea that doesn't self-limit. I will think more about it :) HTH, Margo -Original Message- From: gcru...@centurytel.net Sent: May 11, 2013 5:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea This really is not about FeLV+ cats. I have 2 adult kitties with very bad, long term diarrhea. Both have no fever, no worms and no parasites. They have both had antibiotics, endosorb, pumpkin, and one has had pro pectilin. These kitties are not related and didn't live in the same place. The vet seems stumped and now has them both on metronidazole in case of some type of viral eneritis, they both got a steroid shot to reduce any inflammation. There does not appear to be any improvement in either cat. Any suggestion would be very welcome. Thanks, Gary ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Please, try a raw diet for these kitties. I had one felv+ with severe diarrhea...went through all the meds and tests...it is the only reason she is alive today at 5 years old. Another cat (negative) had bloody diarrhea, and went through all the meds as well...it was her cure as well. They don't need meds, they need good quality species-appropriate food! It works almost instantly! Please look at catinfo.org and catnutrition.org. I could go on and on about the health benefits of raw food, but please check out these websites. There are many commercial foods you can buy or make it yourself...its cheaper than taking them to the vet, and it will make them feel good. As I'm sure you know, long term diarrhea is very detrimental to their health since their bodies are not absorbing nutrients. I wish your kitties well...Tracey On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:35 PM, gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: This really is not about FeLV+ cats. I have 2 adult kitties with very bad, long term diarrhea. Both have no fever, no worms and no parasites. They have both had antibiotics, endosorb, pumpkin, and one has had pro pectilin. These kitties are not related and didn't live in the same place. The vet seems stumped and now has them both on metronidazole in case of some type of viral eneritis, they both got a steroid shot to reduce any inflammation. There does not appear to be any improvement in either cat. Any suggestion would be very welcome. Thanks, Gary __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_**felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I have tried to switch my pride (6) to a raw diet, they just turn up their noses and refuse to touch it. Of course, when I let them outside, they love mice, moles and voles. Funny tho, they never eat the organs, just head, legs and skin. How did you switch yours? Do you warm it up? They won't even eat canned food unless it is body temperature. In the meantime, I feed Blue Buffalo and Wellness which is better than the commercial stuff. I had a couple getting sick every time they ate from the corn, wheat and soy. As soon as I switched, that went away. Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com wrote: Please, try a raw diet for these kitties. I had one felv+ with severe diarrhea...went through all the meds and tests...it is the only reason she is alive today at 5 years old. Another cat (negative) had bloody diarrhea, and went through all the meds as well...it was her cure as well. They don't need meds, they need good quality species-appropriate food! It works almost instantly! Please look at catinfo.org and catnutrition.org. I could go on and on about the health benefits of raw food, but please check out these websites. There are many commercial foods you can buy or make it yourself...its cheaper than taking them to the vet, and it will make them feel good. As I'm sure you know, long term diarrhea is very detrimental to their health since their bodies are not absorbing nutrients. I wish your kitties well...Tracey On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:35 PM, gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: This really is not about FeLV+ cats. I have 2 adult kitties with very bad, long term diarrhea. Both have no fever, no worms and no parasites. They have both had antibiotics, endosorb, pumpkin, and one has had pro pectilin. These kitties are not related and didn't live in the same place. The vet seems stumped and now has them both on metronidazole in case of some type of viral eneritis, they both got a steroid shot to reduce any inflammation. There does not appear to be any improvement in either cat. Any suggestion would be very welcome. Thanks, Gary __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_**felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hello, Have you tried slippery elm? I have used it for diarrhea and it works well. Good luck! Sent from my iPhone. On May 12, 2013, at 14:58, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: I have tried to switch my pride (6) to a raw diet, they just turn up their noses and refuse to touch it. Of course, when I let them outside, they love mice, moles and voles. Funny tho, they never eat the organs, just head, legs and skin. How did you switch yours? Do you warm it up? They won't even eat canned food unless it is body temperature. In the meantime, I feed Blue Buffalo and Wellness which is better than the commercial stuff. I had a couple getting sick every time they ate from the corn, wheat and soy. As soon as I switched, that went away. Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com wrote: Please, try a raw diet for these kitties. I had one felv+ with severe diarrhea...went through all the meds and tests...it is the only reason she is alive today at 5 years old. Another cat (negative) had bloody diarrhea, and went through all the meds as well...it was her cure as well. They don't need meds, they need good quality species-appropriate food! It works almost instantly! Please look at catinfo.org and catnutrition.org. I could go on and on about the health benefits of raw food, but please check out these websites. There are many commercial foods you can buy or make it yourself...its cheaper than taking them to the vet, and it will make them feel good. As I'm sure you know, long term diarrhea is very detrimental to their health since their bodies are not absorbing nutrients. I wish your kitties well...Tracey On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:35 PM, gcru...@centurytel.net wrote: This really is not about FeLV+ cats. I have 2 adult kitties with very bad, long term diarrhea. Both have no fever, no worms and no parasites. They have both had antibiotics, endosorb, pumpkin, and one has had pro pectilin. These kitties are not related and didn't live in the same place. The vet seems stumped and now has them both on metronidazole in case of some type of viral eneritis, they both got a steroid shot to reduce any inflammation. There does not appear to be any improvement in either cat. Any suggestion would be very welcome. Thanks, Gary __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_**felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Diarrhea
This really is not about FeLV+ cats. I have 2 adult kitties with very bad, long term diarrhea. Both have no fever, no worms and no parasites. They have both had antibiotics, endosorb, pumpkin, and one has had pro pectilin. These kitties are not related and didn't live in the same place. The vet seems stumped and now has them both on metronidazole in case of some type of viral eneritis, they both got a steroid shot to reduce any inflammation. There does not appear to be any improvement in either cat. Any suggestion would be very welcome. Thanks, Gary ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Diarrhea
Hello everyone, I'm sorry to bother you all, last night, a few minutes past midnight, Kitty had diarrhea. She had it again at 4 this morning and again about 15min ago now. Her feeding schedule has been, she ate her regular canned food with mixed water at 9pm last night and again this morning at 5am, when fed her this morning, I made sure to make to mix more water than usual with her food. There has been no changes to her diet in the past few days but she did go to the vet on Wednesday and all her bloodwork came back without issues. At this time should I start her on a broth diet? Any specific items to include? Vitamins? How long? should we take her to the vet? According to dr. Pitcairns book yogurt is also good after two days of broth, is that a good idea? How about using slippery elm? Thanks a lot and I'm sorry to be a bother, Maryam Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea
I would suggest some probiotics...sounds like gut flora is off. Your vet may carry it...it's called Probiocin...comes in a gel/paste form in a syringe that cats like. Really helps with diarrhea. Also, a complete and balanced raw food diet will do the trick also. Yogurt really doesn't have that much probiotics in it, but if that's all you have, I'd try it. If the diarrhea persists, I'd get her to the vet...she may needs sub-q fluids to rehydrate her. Tracey On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, I'm sorry to bother you all, last night, a few minutes past midnight, Kitty had diarrhea. She had it again at 4 this morning and again about 15min ago now. Her feeding schedule has been, she ate her regular canned food with mixed water at 9pm last night and again this morning at 5am, when fed her this morning, I made sure to make to mix more water than usual with her food. There has been no changes to her diet in the past few days but she did go to the vet on Wednesday and all her bloodwork came back without issues. At this time should I start her on a broth diet? Any specific items to include? Vitamins? How long? should we take her to the vet? According to dr. Pitcairns book yogurt is also good after two days of broth, is that a good idea? How about using slippery elm? Thanks a lot and I'm sorry to be a bother, Maryam Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea
I have successfully used Propectalin to stop diarrhea in cats when there was no apparent cause (change of diet or some sort of parasite, bacteria). It's a paste. Comes in a tube and usually costs about $12. You put a 1 strip on your finger and swipe it into the cat's mouth. Be careful not to lose a finger. You do this two or three times a day for a couple of days or until you see that her stool is back to normal. It's sort of like Imodium for people. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 7:47 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea Hello everyone, I'm sorry to bother you all, last night, a few minutes past midnight, Kitty had diarrhea. She had it again at 4 this morning and again about 15min ago now. Her feeding schedule has been, she ate her regular canned food with mixed water at 9pm last night and again this morning at 5am, when fed her this morning, I made sure to make to mix more water than usual with her food. There has been no changes to her diet in the past few days but she did go to the vet on Wednesday and all her bloodwork came back without issues. At this time should I start her on a broth diet? Any specific items to include? Vitamins? How long? should we take her to the vet? According to dr. Pitcairns book yogurt is also good after two days of broth, is that a good idea? How about using slippery elm? Thanks a lot and I'm sorry to be a bother, Maryam Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea
Hi Maryam, My FeLV+ girl has had a few bouts of diarrhea, and canned pumpkin (not pie filling, of course) seemed to help. Ember seemed to enjoy the flavor or texture of pumpkin, too. She ate it by itself, though I think most people stir it into other food. Best wishes for Kitty to feel better today. Lance From: Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 7:47 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea Hello everyone, I'm sorry to bother you all, last night, a few minutes past midnight, Kitty had diarrhea. She had it again at 4 this morning and again about 15min ago now. Her feeding schedule has been, she ate her regular canned food with mixed water at 9pm last night and again this morning at 5am, when fed her this morning, I made sure to make to mix more water than usual with her food. There has been no changes to her diet in the past few days but she did go to the vet on Wednesday and all her bloodwork came back without issues. At this time should I start her on a broth diet? Any specific items to include? Vitamins? How long? should we take her to the vet? According to dr. Pitcairns book yogurt is also good after two days of broth, is that a good idea? How about using slippery elm? Thanks a lot and I'm sorry to be a bother, Maryam Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea
Thank you, I have made her the chicken broth too hours and once it is cooled ill add a little white rice, pumpkin and feed her that broth. Sent from my iPad On Apr 6, 2013, at 12:30, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hi Maryam, My FeLV+ girl has had a few bouts of diarrhea, and canned pumpkin (not pie filling, of course) seemed to help. Ember seemed to enjoy the flavor or texture of pumpkin, too. She ate it by itself, though I think most people stir it into other food. Best wishes for Kitty to feel better today. Lance From: Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 7:47 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea Hello everyone, I'm sorry to bother you all, last night, a few minutes past midnight, Kitty had diarrhea. She had it again at 4 this morning and again about 15min ago now. Her feeding schedule has been, she ate her regular canned food with mixed water at 9pm last night and again this morning at 5am, when fed her this morning, I made sure to make to mix more water than usual with her food. There has been no changes to her diet in the past few days but she did go to the vet on Wednesday and all her bloodwork came back without issues. At this time should I start her on a broth diet? Any specific items to include? Vitamins? How long? should we take her to the vet? According to dr. Pitcairns book yogurt is also good after two days of broth, is that a good idea? How about using slippery elm? Thanks a lot and I'm sorry to be a bother, Maryam Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea
Thank you for your good wishes and suggestions. Kitty has not had diarrhea since 9am, I did not feed her until 4:30 and then only homemade chicken broth , with a little white rice and pumpkin. She has had that three times and since she has peed twice but no bowel movement. I'm hoping I can reintroduce solid food tomorrow at some point. Sent from my iPhone. On Apr 6, 2013, at 12:30, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hi Maryam, My FeLV+ girl has had a few bouts of diarrhea, and canned pumpkin (not pie filling, of course) seemed to help. Ember seemed to enjoy the flavor or texture of pumpkin, too. She ate it by itself, though I think most people stir it into other food. Best wishes for Kitty to feel better today. Lance From: Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2013 7:47 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea Hello everyone, I'm sorry to bother you all, last night, a few minutes past midnight, Kitty had diarrhea. She had it again at 4 this morning and again about 15min ago now. Her feeding schedule has been, she ate her regular canned food with mixed water at 9pm last night and again this morning at 5am, when fed her this morning, I made sure to make to mix more water than usual with her food. There has been no changes to her diet in the past few days but she did go to the vet on Wednesday and all her bloodwork came back without issues. At this time should I start her on a broth diet? Any specific items to include? Vitamins? How long? should we take her to the vet? According to dr. Pitcairns book yogurt is also good after two days of broth, is that a good idea? How about using slippery elm? Thanks a lot and I'm sorry to be a bother, Maryam Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imodium for kitten diarrhea
mAYBE WE SHOULD ALL GET TOGETHR ANDPOOL OUR RESOURCES. Then there would always be someone totake over when one of us was under the weather. Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com wrote: Lorrie, glad to know they're better! But, as far as price goes, I can make it for about $1.30/lb which equates to 45 cents for a 5.5 oz can of 9 lives...dirt cheap for premium cat food. Anyway, I understand that with 26 cats it would be pretty hard to make that much food...how do you do it? Wow, that's a lot of cats! On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: A raw diet would be good, but with 26 cats I just can't do it. Too expensive and too much work for my ancient self! The kittens are better now with Albon and Kaolin. Lorrie On 12-06, Tracey Shrout wrote: Have you tried a raw diet for them? It's worked for me on many kitties. Diarrhea goes away almost instantly. I had one who had it severely also, the raw diet is the only thing that cured her. I believe it saved her life. Antibiotics can contribute to the diarrhea as you probably know. Feed them good food and they'll need no meds! Wish you luck. Catinfo.org and [1]catnutrition.org or buy it from Felines Pride.com. Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imodium for kitten diarrhea
Wouldn't that be lovely! However, we all seem to live in different places, miles apart. Even those rescuers who live in Texas do not live very near each other. My best friend and I had a sort of plan to buy some land for the two of us so we could share responsibility for the rescued cats but she passed away from cancer. It was probably a bad idea anyway since we both could not turn our backs on a sad meow. We would have had a couple of hundred cats in no time. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Imodium for kitten diarrhea MAYBE WE SHOULD ALL GET TOGETHER AND POOL OUR RESOURCES. Then there would always be someone to take over when one of us was under the weather. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kittens with diarrhea
On 12-06, Tracey Shrout wrote: Lorrie, glad to know they're better! But, as far as price goes, I can make it for about $1.30/lb which equates to 45 cents for a 5.5 oz can of 9 lives...dirt cheap for premium cat food. Anyway, I understand that with 26 cats it would be pretty hard to make that much food...how do you do it? Wow, that's a lot of cats! I rescue, and the numbers grew when homes couldn't be found. I only have 14 cats at home and I bought a large two story building and made it into a cageless shelter/sanctuary for the other cats. Most of them are FelV, or old and debilitated. BTW, I am old and debilitated too :-) I'll be 80 years old in May, but I plan to keep on with this work as long as I can! Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kittens with diarrhea
Lucky cats...bless you for taking care of all of them. Needs to be more people like you! On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 7:01 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 12-06, Tracey Shrout wrote: Lorrie, glad to know they're better! But, as far as price goes, I can make it for about $1.30/lb which equates to 45 cents for a 5.5 oz can of 9 lives...dirt cheap for premium cat food. Anyway, I understand that with 26 cats it would be pretty hard to make that much food...how do you do it? Wow, that's a lot of cats! I rescue, and the numbers grew when homes couldn't be found. I only have 14 cats at home and I bought a large two story building and made it into a cageless shelter/sanctuary for the other cats. Most of them are FelV, or old and debilitated. BTW, I am old and debilitated too :-) I'll be 80 years old in May, but I plan to keep on with this work as long as I can! Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imodium for kitten diarrhea
Have you tried a raw diet for them? It's worked for me on many kitties. Diarrhea goes away almost instantly. I had one who had it severely also, the raw diet is the only thing that cured her. I believe it saved her life. Antibiotics can contribute to the diarrhea as you probably know. Feed them good food and they'll need no meds! Wish you luck. Catinfo.org and catnutrition.org or buy it from Felines Pride.com. Tracey On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I have two rescued kittens approx 4 months old. Both have diarrhea. I wormed them twice with Pyrantel Pamoate aka Strongid. They are also on Albon. They were checked by the vet and who found no parasites in the stool samples, but the diarrhea is still there, and very severe in the female. I understand kittens and cats can take Imodium, so I bought childrens Imodium today. Can any of you give me the dosage for kittens weighing 4 pounds? Thank you. Lorrie overwhelmed with too many cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imodium for kitten diarrhea
Hi, I have 6 cxats from 2 years to 15. I am having touble switching them to raw food. All they want is kibble (Blue Buffalo) so it has no wheat, corn or soy. 2 go out for about 2 hours a day and hunt so smaybe they are getting enough mice, moles, oles and shrews to satisfy their need, not sure. Older ones do not go out and they are the ones with vomitting problems and their problem is getting upset when others coje near. They jump and run for cover and of course they vommit. have decided I am going to have to feed them in seperte room so they have the opportunity to get a bit of peace and quiet before letting them back with the others. Tracey Shrout dtshr...@gmail.com wrote: Have you tried a raw diet for them? It's worked for me on many kitties. Diarrhea goes away almost instantly. I had one who had it severely also, the raw diet is the only thing that cured her. I believe it saved her life. Antibiotics can contribute to the diarrhea as you probably know. Feed them good food and they'll need no meds! Wish you luck. Catinfo.org and catnutrition.org or buy it from Felines Pride.com. Tracey On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I have two rescued kittens approx 4 months old. Both have diarrhea. I wormed them twice with Pyrantel Pamoate aka Strongid. They are also on Albon. They were checked by the vet and who found no parasites in the stool samples, but the diarrhea is still there, and very severe in the female. I understand kittens and cats can take Imodium, so I bought childrens Imodium today. Can any of you give me the dosage for kittens weighing 4 pounds? Thank you. Lorrie overwhelmed with too many cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imodium for kitten diarrhea
A raw diet would be good, but with 26 cats I just can't do it. Too expensive and too much work for my ancient self! The kittens are better now with Albon and Kaolin. Lorrie On 12-06, Tracey Shrout wrote: Have you tried a raw diet for them? It's worked for me on many kitties. Diarrhea goes away almost instantly. I had one who had it severely also, the raw diet is the only thing that cured her. I believe it saved her life. Antibiotics can contribute to the diarrhea as you probably know. Feed them good food and they'll need no meds! Wish you luck. Catinfo.org and [1]catnutrition.org or buy it from Felines Pride.com. Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imodium for kitten diarrhea
Lorrie, glad to know they're better! But, as far as price goes, I can make it for about $1.30/lb which equates to 45 cents for a 5.5 oz can of 9 lives...dirt cheap for premium cat food. Anyway, I understand that with 26 cats it would be pretty hard to make that much food...how do you do it? Wow, that's a lot of cats! On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: A raw diet would be good, but with 26 cats I just can't do it. Too expensive and too much work for my ancient self! The kittens are better now with Albon and Kaolin. Lorrie On 12-06, Tracey Shrout wrote: Have you tried a raw diet for them? It's worked for me on many kitties. Diarrhea goes away almost instantly. I had one who had it severely also, the raw diet is the only thing that cured her. I believe it saved her life. Antibiotics can contribute to the diarrhea as you probably know. Feed them good food and they'll need no meds! Wish you luck. Catinfo.org and [1]catnutrition.org or buy it from Felines Pride.com. Tracey ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Imodium for kitten diarrhea
I have two rescued kittens approx 4 months old. Both have diarrhea. I wormed them twice with Pyrantel Pamoate aka Strongid. They are also on Albon. They were checked by the vet and who found no parasites in the stool samples, but the diarrhea is still there, and very severe in the female. I understand kittens and cats can take Imodium, so I bought childrens Imodium today. Can any of you give me the dosage for kittens weighing 4 pounds? Thank you. Lorrie overwhelmed with too many cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea
It could still be negative in a few months. Think positive! t [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tommy's test was positive. Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Lisa Borden Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:26:44 To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea Thank you for all of your wonderful responses. I can feel the love and support already! It's so great to hear from other people who are/were in my situation. I just went to the store and bought some canned pumpkin as a couple of you suggested. When I came home, he saw me messing with the cans and started meowing for food. So I cracked open the pumpkin, gave him some mixed with a little canned EVO (which he loves) and he devoured the mixture. Now let's see if it helps his little tummy! He has a good appetite, but I don't think he's getting enough nutrition because the food goes right through him, you know? I ordered him some probiotics. I am also going to look for a holistic vet as someone else suggested. Sorry I can't reply to everyone but believe me, I have read all of your responses and appreciate them very much! I will let you know what his test results are, and will want to hear from you what I should tell him when we go back in, whether he is positive or not. At this point, I can NOT see euthanizing him. He's just a happy, playful kitten that happens to have an upset tummy! Yes we can! I like that!! :) Lisa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea
pumpkin and yogurt. that does it around here--the benefits of pumpkin PLUS the beneficial bacteria.. On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Lisa Borden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for all of your wonderful responses. I can feel the love and support already! It's so great to hear from other people who are/were in my situation. I just went to the store and bought some canned pumpkin as a couple of you suggested. When I came home, he saw me messing with the cans and started meowing for food. So I cracked open the pumpkin, gave him some mixed with a little canned EVO (which he loves) and he devoured the mixture. Now let's see if it helps his little tummy! He has a good appetite, but I don't think he's getting enough nutrition because the food goes right through him, you know? I ordered him some probiotics. I am also going to look for a holistic vet as someone else suggested. Sorry I can't reply to everyone but believe me, I have read all of your responses and appreciate them very much! I will let you know what his test results are, and will want to hear from you what I should tell him when we go back in, whether he is positive or not. At this point, I can NOT see euthanizing him. He's just a happy, playful kitten that happens to have an upset tummy! Yes we can! I like that!! :) Lisa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea
Hello. He may need some unflavored pedialyte, too. I give that when mine have diarrhea. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea pumpkin and yogurt. that does it around here--the benefits of pumpkin PLUS the beneficial bacteria.. On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:26 PM, Lisa Borden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for all of your wonderful responses. I can feel the love and support already! It's so great to hear from other people who are/were in my situation. I just went to the store and bought some canned pumpkin as a couple of you suggested. When I came home, he saw me messing with the cans and started meowing for food. So I cracked open the pumpkin, gave him some mixed with a little canned EVO (which he loves) and he devoured the mixture. Now let's see if it helps his little tummy! He has a good appetite, but I don't think he's getting enough nutrition because the food goes right through him, you know? I ordered him some probiotics. I am also going to look for a holistic vet as someone else suggested. Sorry I can't reply to everyone but believe me, I have read all of your responses and appreciate them very much! I will let you know what his test results are, and will want to hear from you what I should tell him when we go back in, whether he is positive or not. At this point, I can NOT see euthanizing him. He's just a happy, playful kitten that happens to have an upset tummy! Yes we can! I like that!! :) Lisa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea
Good for you. I have mixed positives with negatives for years with no problem. I think my positive is my healthiest cat right now, in fact. I don't know about the diarrhea. Have you changed the food at all? t Lisa Borden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am so happy to have found this list. Two weeks ago, I took in a 3 month old kitten. He's a beautiful orange kitten and I've fallen in love with him. Yesterday I took him to the vet for his vaccines, and we ran an FeLV/FIV snap test. It came back positive for FeLV. We sent off the other test (IFA?) to the lab and I await those results. I have two other cats - one is almost 4 (male) and one is 2 (female). They have both been vaccinated against FeLV. My male in particular has become close with the kitten. it proved to be impractical to isolate the kitten as he just cried and cried ... and escaped every time I opened the door. So I decided to supervise them, make sure they don't fight, keep a clean litterbox, etc. and I just let him back out with my other cats. From the couple of posts I have read, I see I am not the only one. And my vet was so adament about keeping the baby isolated. He does have diarrhea, and I was looking at probiotics. Can something like Fortiflora harm him if he does have a compromised immune system? I understand I would be giving him good bacteria to balance things out. He was negative for worms. Thank you for any info, and I look forward to the group, regardless of the test results. My kitten is active, and is a LOVE ... and he isn't going anywhere! Lisa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea
Hi Lisa Forti-Flora will be fine for a kitten. I used it successfully with mine. I am rushing out and will write more later. Jane On Nov 14, 2008, at 12:55 AM, Lisa Borden wrote: I am so happy to have found this list. Two weeks ago, I took in a 3 month old kitten. He's a beautiful orange kitten and I've fallen in love with him. Yesterday I took him to the vet for his vaccines, and we ran an FeLV/FIV snap test. It came back positive for FeLV. We sent off the other test (IFA?) to the lab and I await those results. I have two other cats - one is almost 4 (male) and one is 2 (female). They have both been vaccinated against FeLV. My male in particular has become close with the kitten. it proved to be impractical to isolate the kitten as he just cried and cried ... and escaped every time I opened the door. So I decided to supervise them, make sure they don't fight, keep a clean litterbox, etc. and I just let him back out with my other cats. From the couple of posts I have read, I see I am not the only one. And my vet was so adament about keeping the baby isolated. He does have diarrhea, and I was looking at probiotics. Can something like Fortiflora harm him if he does have a compromised immune system? I understand I would be giving him good bacteria to balance things out. He was negative for worms. Thank you for any info, and I look forward to the group, regardless of the test results. My kitten is active, and is a LOVE ... and he isn't going anywhere! Lisa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea
Thank you so much, Jane. Any and all advice is welcomed. I'm very new to this, and have been going between feeling hopeful about things, and bursting into tears. I love him so much. I'm on pins and needles waiting for my vet to call with the test results. Lisa On Fri 14/11/08 7:06 AM , Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Hi Lisa Forti-Flora will be fine for a kitten. I used it successfully with mine. I am rushing out and will write more later. Jane On Nov 14, 2008, at 12:55 AM, Lisa Borden wrote: I am so happy to have found this list. Two weeks ago, I took in a 3 month old kitten. He's a beautiful orange kitten and I've fallen in love with him. Yesterday I took him to the vet for his vaccines, and we ran an FeLV/FIV snap test. It came back positive for FeLV. We sent off the other test (IFA?) to the lab and I await those results. I have two other cats - one is almost 4 (male) and one is 2 (female). They have both been vaccinated against FeLV. My male in particular has become close with the kitten. it proved to be impractical to isolate the kitten as he just cried and cried ... and escaped every time I opened the door. So I decided to supervise them, make sure they don't fight, keep a clean litterbox, etc. and I just let him back out with my other cats. From the couple of posts I have read, I see I am not the only one. And my vet was so adament about keeping the baby isolated. He does have diarrhea, and I was looking at probiotics. Can something like Fortiflora harm him if he does have a compromised immune system? I understand I would be giving him good bacteria to balance things out. He was negative for worms. Thank you for any info, and I look forward to the group, regardless of the test results. My kitten is active, and is a LOVE ... and he isn't going anywhere! Lisa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [1] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org [2] ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [3] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org [4] Links: -- [1] mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [2] https://webmail2.agoc.com/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Ffelineleukemia.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ffelvtalk_felineleukemia.org [3] mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [4] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea
Lisa It is good that you have a vet who is willing to work with you. I am one of those on this list who mixed my cats. By the time I knew I had a problem all my cats had been exposed for months. Since stress management is very important it would seem wise not to upset the kitten by separating him. That being said he will also be exposed to anything your cats might get as well. There are many treatments should the IFA test be positive as well. Also sometimes kittens can throw the virus. I too have used probiotics for my cats. Some find pumpkin to be useful for diarreah. Sally -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea
Lisa--good for you for taking such good care of this little guy. And you have come to the right place for help--folks here are the most knowledgeable I've ever found. I've mixed and never had a problem. Also, it is always possible that a kitten can throw off the virus so you may want to retest several months from now if the IFA is pos. And know that no matter what happens, you will never never never regret letting that little ball of fur into your heart... Christiane Biagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Borden Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:25 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea Thank you so much, Jane. Any and all advice is welcomed. I'm very new to this, and have been going between feeling hopeful about things, and bursting into tears. I love him so much. I'm on pins and needles waiting for my vet to call with the test results. Lisa On Fri 14/11/08 7:06 AM , Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Hi Lisa Forti-Flora will be fine for a kitten. I used it successfully with mine. I am rushing out and will write more later. Jane On Nov 14, 2008, at 12:55 AM, Lisa Borden wrote: I am so happy to have found this list. Two weeks ago, I took in a 3 month old kitten. He's a beautiful orange kitten and I've fallen in love with him. Yesterday I took him to the vet for his vaccines, and we ran an FeLV/FIV snap test. It came back positive for FeLV. We sent off the other test (IFA?) to the lab and I await those results. I have two other cats - one is almost 4 (male) and one is 2 (female). They have both been vaccinated against FeLV. My male in particular has become close with the kitten. it proved to be impractical to isolate the kitten as he just cried and cried ... and escaped every time I opened the door. So I decided to supervise them, make sure they don't fight, keep a clean litterbox, etc. and I just let him back out with my other cats. From the couple of posts I have read, I see I am not the only one. And my vet was so adament about keeping the baby isolated. He does have diarrhea, and I was looking at probiotics. Can something like Fortiflora harm him if he does have a compromised immune system? I understand I would be giving him good bacteria to balance things out. He was negative for worms. Thank you for any info, and I look forward to the group, regardless of the test results. My kitten is active, and is a LOVE ... and he isn't going anywhere! Lisa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [1] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org [2] ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [3] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org [4] Links: -- [1] mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [2] https://webmail2.agoc.com/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Ffelineleukemia.org %2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ffelvtalk_felineleukemia.org [3] mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [4] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea
Even if the lab test comes back positive, since he's a kitten, make sure you retest later. I reccommend 3 months. I have never mixed b/c I've only had 1 felv at a time and had a room for that cat, but I have let the cat out in the house to roam while the others are put away so technically, they have shared spaces- but never food or water or litter boxes. I have never had any later retest as felv due to that exposure. My own opinion is that felv is not transmitted as easily as believed in the past. In fact, I am starting to think it's more akin to FIV where the contact has to be very direct, like a deep bite wound, or transmission through birth. Again, that's my own opinion just based on experience and my own self education and I know other list members and vets will disagree, so in the end, it's always up to you to do what's best for the cat. caroline kaufmann Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:13:22 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea Lisa It is good that you have a vet who is willing to work with you. I am one of those on this list who mixed my cats. By the time I knew I had a problem all my cats had been exposed for months. Since stress management is very important it would seem wise not to upset the kitten by separating him. That being said he will also be exposed to anything your cats might get as well. There are many treatments should the IFA test be positive as well. Also sometimes kittens can throw the virus. I too have used probiotics for my cats. Some find pumpkin to be useful for diarreah. Sally -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea
Check with a holistic vet in addition to your regular vet if you can. I credit Dixie's life to the cooperation between both types of vets here in Louisville. I have two boys now who are very healthy (thank God) and who have tested negative. I still use both types of vets with them. They came from a pine thicket so have a questionable background..thanks to my vets, they are flourishing. Good luck. On Nov 14, 2008, at 8:42 AM, Caroline Kaufmann wrote: Even if the lab test comes back positive, since he's a kitten, make sure you retest later. I reccommend 3 months. I have never mixed b/c I've only had 1 felv at a time and had a room for that cat, but I have let the cat out in the house to roam while the others are put away so technically, they have shared spaces- but never food or water or litter boxes. I have never had any later retest as felv due to that exposure. My own opinion is that felv is not transmitted as easily as believed in the past. In fact, I am starting to think it's more akin to FIV where the contact has to be very direct, like a deep bite wound, or transmission through birth. Again, that's my own opinion just based on experience and my own self education and I know other list members and vets will disagree, so in the end, it's always up to you to do what's best for the cat. caroline kaufmann Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:13:22 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea Lisa It is good that you have a vet who is willing to work with you. I am one of those on this list who mixed my cats. By the time I knew I had a problem all my cats had been exposed for months. Since stress management is very important it would seem wise not to upset the kitten by separating him. That being said he will also be exposed to anything your cats might get as well. There are many treatments should the IFA test be positive as well. Also sometimes kittens can throw the virus. I too have used probiotics for my cats. Some find pumpkin to be useful for diarreah. Sally -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior (newest) I call him JJ , Silver, and Spike Please Visit my Message board for some pictures. You are welcome to sign up. http://www.k6az.com/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea
Try Feliway spray to calm him and Rescue Remedy in his water. Believe it or not, pumpkin (not pie filling but plain canned pumpkin) mixed in canned kitten/cat food will help with the diarrhea. (Per several vets and personal experience with Copper and Thomas Cougar-Kitten). On Nov 14, 2008, at 8:36 AM, Chris wrote: Lisa--good for you for taking such good care of this little guy. And you have come to the right place for help--folks here are the most knowledgeable I've ever found. I've mixed and never had a problem. Also, it is always possible that a kitten can throw off the virus so you may want to retest several months from now if the IFA is pos. And know that no matter what happens, you will never never never regret letting that little ball of fur into your heart... Christiane Biagi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Borden Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 8:25 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea Thank you so much, Jane. Any and all advice is welcomed. I'm very new to this, and have been going between feeling hopeful about things, and bursting into tears. I love him so much. I'm on pins and needles waiting for my vet to call with the test results. Lisa On Fri 14/11/08 7:06 AM , Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent: Hi Lisa Forti-Flora will be fine for a kitten. I used it successfully with mine. I am rushing out and will write more later. Jane On Nov 14, 2008, at 12:55 AM, Lisa Borden wrote: I am so happy to have found this list. Two weeks ago, I took in a 3 month old kitten. He's a beautiful orange kitten and I've fallen in love with him. Yesterday I took him to the vet for his vaccines, and we ran an FeLV/FIV snap test. It came back positive for FeLV. We sent off the other test (IFA?) to the lab and I await those results. I have two other cats - one is almost 4 (male) and one is 2 (female). They have both been vaccinated against FeLV. My male in particular has become close with the kitten. it proved to be impractical to isolate the kitten as he just cried and cried ... and escaped every time I opened the door. So I decided to supervise them, make sure they don't fight, keep a clean litterbox, etc. and I just let him back out with my other cats. From the couple of posts I have read, I see I am not the only one. And my vet was so adament about keeping the baby isolated. He does have diarrhea, and I was looking at probiotics. Can something like Fortiflora harm him if he does have a compromised immune system? I understand I would be giving him good bacteria to balance things out. He was negative for worms. Thank you for any info, and I look forward to the group, regardless of the test results. My kitten is active, and is a LOVE ... and he isn't going anywhere! Lisa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [1] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org [2] ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [3] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org [4] Links: -- [1] mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [2] https://webmail2.agoc.com/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Ffelineleukemia.org %2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ffelvtalk_felineleukemia.org [3] mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [4] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea
Lisa, I had a kitten come up positive for FeLV on a Snap test. When the others, plus mom, tested negative, my vet said she thought it was suspicious and that I could stop isolating her. Happily, she just tested negative and the vet's pretty sure it was a false positive. Stick with this group! They are a wealth of information and inspiration, and you will know what to ask your vet when you go. You will also get a feel for if your vet is up to speed on leukemia by reading these posts. Yes we can! - Barack Obama Sally --- On Fri, 11/14/08, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 6:06 AM Hi Lisa Forti-Flora will be fine for a kitten. I used it successfully with mine. I am rushing out and will write more later. Jane On Nov 14, 2008, at 12:55 AM, Lisa Borden wrote: I am so happy to have found this list. Two weeks ago, I took in a 3 month old kitten. He's a beautiful orange kitten and I've fallen in love with him. Yesterday I took him to the vet for his vaccines, and we ran an FeLV/FIV snap test. It came back positive for FeLV. We sent off the other test (IFA?) to the lab and I await those results. I have two other cats - one is almost 4 (male) and one is 2 (female). They have both been vaccinated against FeLV. My male in particular has become close with the kitten. it proved to be impractical to isolate the kitten as he just cried and cried ... and escaped every time I opened the door. So I decided to supervise them, make sure they don't fight, keep a clean litterbox, etc. and I just let him back out with my other cats. From the couple of posts I have read, I see I am not the only one. And my vet was so adament about keeping the baby isolated. He does have diarrhea, and I was looking at probiotics. Can something like Fortiflora harm him if he does have a compromised immune system? I understand I would be giving him good bacteria to balance things out. He was negative for worms. Thank you for any info, and I look forward to the group, regardless of the test results. My kitten is active, and is a LOVE ... and he isn't going anywhere! Lisa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea
Thank you for all of your wonderful responses. I can feel the love and support already! It's so great to hear from other people who are/were in my situation. I just went to the store and bought some canned pumpkin as a couple of you suggested. When I came home, he saw me messing with the cans and started meowing for food. So I cracked open the pumpkin, gave him some mixed with a little canned EVO (which he loves) and he devoured the mixture. Now let's see if it helps his little tummy! He has a good appetite, but I don't think he's getting enough nutrition because the food goes right through him, you know? I ordered him some probiotics. I am also going to look for a holistic vet as someone else suggested. Sorry I can't reply to everyone but believe me, I have read all of your responses and appreciate them very much! I will let you know what his test results are, and will want to hear from you what I should tell him when we go back in, whether he is positive or not. At this point, I can NOT see euthanizing him. He's just a happy, playful kitten that happens to have an upset tummy! Yes we can! I like that!! :) Lisa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea
Tommy's test was positive. Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Lisa Borden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:26:44 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea Thank you for all of your wonderful responses. I can feel the love and support already! It's so great to hear from other people who are/were in my situation. I just went to the store and bought some canned pumpkin as a couple of you suggested. When I came home, he saw me messing with the cans and started meowing for food. So I cracked open the pumpkin, gave him some mixed with a little canned EVO (which he loves) and he devoured the mixture. Now let's see if it helps his little tummy! He has a good appetite, but I don't think he's getting enough nutrition because the food goes right through him, you know? I ordered him some probiotics. I am also going to look for a holistic vet as someone else suggested. Sorry I can't reply to everyone but believe me, I have read all of your responses and appreciate them very much! I will let you know what his test results are, and will want to hear from you what I should tell him when we go back in, whether he is positive or not. At this point, I can NOT see euthanizing him. He's just a happy, playful kitten that happens to have an upset tummy! Yes we can! I like that!! :) Lisa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] 3 1/2 month old kitten with diarrhea
I am so happy to have found this list. Two weeks ago, I took in a 3 month old kitten. He's a beautiful orange kitten and I've fallen in love with him. Yesterday I took him to the vet for his vaccines, and we ran an FeLV/FIV snap test. It came back positive for FeLV. We sent off the other test (IFA?) to the lab and I await those results. I have two other cats - one is almost 4 (male) and one is 2 (female). They have both been vaccinated against FeLV. My male in particular has become close with the kitten. it proved to be impractical to isolate the kitten as he just cried and cried ... and escaped every time I opened the door. So I decided to supervise them, make sure they don't fight, keep a clean litterbox, etc. and I just let him back out with my other cats. From the couple of posts I have read, I see I am not the only one. And my vet was so adament about keeping the baby isolated. He does have diarrhea, and I was looking at probiotics. Can something like Fortiflora harm him if he does have a compromised immune system? I understand I would be giving him good bacteria to balance things out. He was negative for worms. Thank you for any info, and I look forward to the group, regardless of the test results. My kitten is active, and is a LOVE ... and he isn't going anywhere! Lisa ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I sometimes use veterinary Kaopectate. It's not what's on the store shelves, cause they've changed the formula and it's not safe for cats. But the old formulation was - and somehow, thru our vet, we got the safe old formulation of Kaopectate. It's worked well for my kitties, for many occasions of nonspecific diarrhea. Gloria On Feb 17, 2008, at 9:12 AM, Lynne wrote: Laurie, I will call the vet just to see if there is something else we should be doing. I just had a long talk with BooBoo about the necessity of fighting his hardest to overcome this problem. He was purring all the time. I know this sounds silly but it's up to him too as to how much he wants to put up with. This seems to be one of those bad days and we'll just deal with it. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:42 AM Subject: Re: diarrhea Lynne, I would also call your vet and let him or her know about the diarrhea. I want to reassure you that we thought both Midas and Isabella would not make it this past year. They are both thriving. It's hard to see past today's troubles but hope keeps us going. My best Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:39 AM Subject: Re: diarrhea Two weeks Laurie. I picked up some yogurt so I'll try offering him some of that. - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:14 AM Subject: Re: diarrhea Could be the different foods, too. Or stress. Or a combination of factors. The probiotics or yogurt mentioned might help with this. I recall that Midas the kitten had diarrhea until we got him off all his meds. I am sorry to hear BooBoo has this to contend with, too. How many days go you have to give the doxy? L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:00 AM Subject: diarrhea I'm very sorry, I must have deleted an email about diarrhea and doxycycline. Is there something I can give to BooBoo to help with this side effect. He's only had 4 doses of the stuff and it isn't agreeing with him. Lynne
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I'm very sorry, I must have deleted an email about diarrhea and doxycycline. Is there something I can give to BooBoo to help with this side effect. He's only had 4 doses of the stuff and it isn't agreeing with him. Lynne
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Could be the different foods, too. Or stress. Or a combination of factors. The probiotics or yogurt mentioned might help with this. I recall that Midas the kitten had diarrhea until we got him off all his meds. I am sorry to hear BooBoo has this to contend with, too. How many days go you have to give the doxy? L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:00 AM Subject: diarrhea I'm very sorry, I must have deleted an email about diarrhea and doxycycline. Is there something I can give to BooBoo to help with this side effect. He's only had 4 doses of the stuff and it isn't agreeing with him. Lynne
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Lynne, I would also call your vet and let him or her know about the diarrhea. I want to reassure you that we thought both Midas and Isabella would not make it this past year. They are both thriving. It's hard to see past today's troubles but hope keeps us going. My best Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:39 AM Subject: Re: diarrhea Two weeks Laurie. I picked up some yogurt so I'll try offering him some of that. - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:14 AM Subject: Re: diarrhea Could be the different foods, too. Or stress. Or a combination of factors. The probiotics or yogurt mentioned might help with this. I recall that Midas the kitten had diarrhea until we got him off all his meds. I am sorry to hear BooBoo has this to contend with, too. How many days go you have to give the doxy? L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:00 AM Subject: diarrhea I'm very sorry, I must have deleted an email about diarrhea and doxycycline. Is there something I can give to BooBoo to help with this side effect. He's only had 4 doses of the stuff and it isn't agreeing with him. Lynne
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Laurie, I will call the vet just to see if there is something else we should be doing. I just had a long talk with BooBoo about the necessity of fighting his hardest to overcome this problem. He was purring all the time. I know this sounds silly but it's up to him too as to how much he wants to put up with. This seems to be one of those bad days and we'll just deal with it. Lynne - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:42 AM Subject: Re: diarrhea Lynne, I would also call your vet and let him or her know about the diarrhea. I want to reassure you that we thought both Midas and Isabella would not make it this past year. They are both thriving. It's hard to see past today's troubles but hope keeps us going. My best Laurie - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:39 AM Subject: Re: diarrhea Two weeks Laurie. I picked up some yogurt so I'll try offering him some of that. - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:14 AM Subject: Re: diarrhea Could be the different foods, too. Or stress. Or a combination of factors. The probiotics or yogurt mentioned might help with this. I recall that Midas the kitten had diarrhea until we got him off all his meds. I am sorry to hear BooBoo has this to contend with, too. How many days go you have to give the doxy? L - Original Message - From: Lynne To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 8:00 AM Subject: diarrhea I'm very sorry, I must have deleted an email about diarrhea and doxycycline. Is there something I can give to BooBoo to help with this side effect. He's only had 4 doses of the stuff and it isn't agreeing with him. Lynne
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Hi Lynne, When Ember has had diarrhea on occasion, I've cleared it up by pulling her off of dry food and stirring pumpkin into her soft food. I've found that she'll eat the pumpkin before it's even stirred into the food. I don't know if this would help with diarrhea brought on by antibiotic use, but it's the easiest and most gentle solution to diarrhea, as far as I know. You just want to buy canned pumpkin, not pumpkin pie filling. Lance On Feb 17, 2008, at 8:00 AM, Lynne wrote: I'm very sorry, I must have deleted an email about diarrhea and doxycycline. Is there something I can give to BooBoo to help with this side effect. He's only had 4 doses of the stuff and it isn't agreeing with him. Lynne
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Thanks Lance. I just happen to have some left over from the last pumpkin pie. Lynne - Original Message - From: Lance To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:49 AM Subject: Re: diarrhea Hi Lynne, When Ember has had diarrhea on occasion, I've cleared it up by pulling her off of dry food and stirring pumpkin into her soft food. I've found that she'll eat the pumpkin before it's even stirred into the food. I don't know if this would help with diarrhea brought on by antibiotic use, but it's the easiest and most gentle solution to diarrhea, as far as I know. You just want to buy canned pumpkin, not pumpkin pie filling. Lance On Feb 17, 2008, at 8:00 AM, Lynne wrote: I'm very sorry, I must have deleted an email about diarrhea and doxycycline. Is there something I can give to BooBoo to help with this side effect. He's only had 4 doses of the stuff and it isn't agreeing with him. Lynne
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Cool. As long as it's just pumpkin and not filling, you're fine. All the extra spices and other ingredients in filling would probably just keep the diarrhea going. Also, you might try heating it up in the microwave for a few seconds (I do 12 for Ember). That sometimes makes it more interesting. Lance On Feb 17, 2008, at 11:21 AM, Lynne wrote: Thanks Lance. I just happen to have some left over from the last pumpkin pie. Lynne - Original Message - From: Lance To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:49 AM Subject: Re: diarrhea Hi Lynne, When Ember has had diarrhea on occasion, I've cleared it up by pulling her off of dry food and stirring pumpkin into her soft food. I've found that she'll eat the pumpkin before it's even stirred into the food. I don't know if this would help with diarrhea brought on by antibiotic use, but it's the easiest and most gentle solution to diarrhea, as far as I know. You just want to buy canned pumpkin, not pumpkin pie filling. Lance On Feb 17, 2008, at 8:00 AM, Lynne wrote: I'm very sorry, I must have deleted an email about diarrhea and doxycycline. Is there something I can give to BooBoo to help with this side effect. He's only had 4 doses of the stuff and it isn't agreeing with him. Lynne
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Yep this is the plain stuff with no additives. Its in the microwave deftosting now. - Original Message - From: Lance To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 12:26 PM Subject: Re: diarrhea Cool. As long as it's just pumpkin and not filling, you're fine. All the extra spices and other ingredients in filling would probably just keep the diarrhea going. Also, you might try heating it up in the microwave for a few seconds (I do 12 for Ember). That sometimes makes it more interesting. Lance On Feb 17, 2008, at 11:21 AM, Lynne wrote: Thanks Lance. I just happen to have some left over from the last pumpkin pie. Lynne - Original Message - From: Lance To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:49 AM Subject: Re: diarrhea Hi Lynne, When Ember has had diarrhea on occasion, I've cleared it up by pulling her off of dry food and stirring pumpkin into her soft food. I've found that she'll eat the pumpkin before it's even stirred into the food. I don't know if this would help with diarrhea brought on by antibiotic use, but it's the easiest and most gentle solution to diarrhea, as far as I know. You just want to buy canned pumpkin, not pumpkin pie filling. Lance On Feb 17, 2008, at 8:00 AM, Lynne wrote: I'm very sorry, I must have deleted an email about diarrhea and doxycycline. Is there something I can give to BooBoo to help with this side effect. He's only had 4 doses of the stuff and it isn't agreeing with him. Lynne
Autumn and Diarrhea
Hey All, Autumn is doing really well overall. She's been feeling so good in fact that she's been trying to steal human food. She's tried to do this as long as we've had her. The only difference is that she's now bigger and sneakier. On Friday night she got into a plate and ate some pizza crust with a little sauce on it. She also ate part of a cooling banana bread loaf on Saturday. When I set the loaf out she was playing happily in another room - when I turned around she was munching away~_~ The problem is that she's developed diarrhea. She has no other symptoms. We try hard to keep her out of people food, but if you turn your back for a second she gets into your plate. Should I get her in to see a vet ASAP or just wait and see? I understand that sometimes people food upsets their stomachs. I have a soft food for cats with intestinal troubles. Should I take away her hard food and give her the I/D formula? She's also had terrible kitty gas. Thanks, ~Susan A
Re: Autumn and Diarrhea
Hi Susan, You should talk to your vet's office to see what they think, but I don't think you need to rush Autumn in right away. Having dealt with diarrhea with Ember, my first course of action would be to rest her from food for a day or two, if possible. Make sure she has plenty of water, of course. After the short break, I would increase portions until normal over a few days. If you don't want to give her time off of food, then you might at least take her off the hard food for the time being, and then slowly reintroduce it over a week or so. You might also try giving her some pumpkin. I think a teaspoon of pumpkin mixed in with wet food is what I did for Ember when she had bad diarrhea. Keep in mind that this is what *I* would do. Your vet may have a better idea of what's best for little Autumn. I hope she starts feeling better soon. Lance On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:37:47 -0600, Susan Ang [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hey All, Autumn is doing really well overall. She's been feeling so good in fact that she's been trying to steal human food. She's tried to do this as long as we've had her. The only difference is that she's now bigger and sneakier. On Friday night she got into a plate and ate some pizza crust with a little sauce on it. She also ate part of a cooling banana bread loaf on Saturday. When I set the loaf out she was playing happily in another room - when I turned around she was munching away~_~ The problem is that she's developed diarrhea. She has no other symptoms. We try hard to keep her out of people food, but if you turn your back for a second she gets into your plate. Should I get her in to see a vet ASAP or just wait and see? I understand that sometimes people food upsets their stomachs. I have a soft food for cats with intestinal troubles. Should I take away her hard food and give her the I/D formula? She's also had terrible kitty gas. Thanks, ~Susan A -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Autumn and Diarrhea
OH MY GOD! This is such a similar experience to what my beloved, and late, Monkee did, I just had to reply! He too got into a homemade cooling loaf of banana nut bread I had left out on the stove top (which he knew he wasn't allowed on)!! I had put a paper towel over top of it and he totally raided it! When I found it, he had shredded the paper towel and there were kitty nail marks and teeth marks all on the bread! It was so funny! Also, about the same time, I had left a soy cheese pizza out on the counter, cooling, with a paper towel on top and he raided that too! He shredded everything again, but the funniest part was that his white muzzle got stained orange from the pizza sauce (from him sticking his face in it no doubt)! He tried to act like he didn't do anything wrong, but the evidence was all over his face! I was mad at him, but it was so funny and he looked too cute that I took pictures of his orange face with my camera phone and sent them to everyone with the title Pizza-faced Monkee! He was the best and I miss him soso entertaining. Cherish these moments, even if they are semi-annoying! I did talk to my vet about Monkee's food raiding when it happened because he had never done it to that extent before. At the time, we were trying to get him to lose some weight so he was on S/D light dry only. The vet recc'd adding wet food as the new theory was that cats feel like they have eaten more if they get some wet food. Now, this is in contrast to a previous theory that cats get filled up more on a primarily dry food diet. I'm sure this could be debated on end and different vets will be on a current, different theory at any given time, so, you have to take it with a grain of salt and just try different things and use your own judgment/let YOUR cat tell you what's best in the end. I did start adding S/D wet to try to satiate Monkee more, but I don't know if it worked because I also stopped leaving things out on the counter so his food raiding did cease anyway! I also think that when they are having diarrhea and you can pin-point the cause (human food raiding), it's good to give their gut a rest and hold off on the dry food. If you have I/D, I would personally feed that to get her through the hump. Also, with the caveat that I AM NOT A VET and you certainly don't need to follow my advice, but when I had kittens with diarrhea that wasn't caused by a known source, to help calm their systems down, the vet said to give them Liquid Imodium- which I did and they were fine. I can't remember the dose though. But it's not a full cc- when in doubt, I always go with 1 cc per pound of body weight, or maybe even less than that. In situations like this, you can always put a call into your vet and ask what they think about the food-raiding behavior and/or if you can give Imodium/how much, etc. I hope this helps, Caroline Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:37:47 -0600From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Autumn and DiarrheaHey All, Autumn is doing really well overall. She's been feeling so good in fact that she's been trying to steal human food. She's tried to do this as long as we've had her. The only difference is that she's now bigger and sneakier. On Friday night she got into a plate and ate some pizza crust with a little sauce on it. She also ate part of a cooling banana bread loaf on Saturday. When I set the loaf out she was playing happily in another room - when I turned around she was munching away~_~ The problem is that she's developed diarrhea. She has no other symptoms. We try hard to keep her out of people food, but if you turn your back for a second she gets into your plate. Should I get her in to see a vet ASAP or just wait and see? I understand that sometimes people food upsets their stomachs. I have a soft food for cats with intestinal troubles. Should I take away her hard food and give her the I/D formula? She's also had terrible kitty gas. Thanks,~Susan A _ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailnews
RE: Autumn and Diarrhea
I think people on this site have also recc'd- for general diarrhea- in the past to boil a chicken and give them the chicken broth. I have never been able to try it yet though, as I am a vegetarian, thus, I'm not chicken boiler! But it's something else to try to keep her satiated, dehydrated and keep her electrolytes going. Good luck. Caroline From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Autumn and Diarrhea Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:23:14 -0600 Hi Susan, You should talk to your vet's office to see what they think, but I don't think you need to rush Autumn in right away. Having dealt with diarrhea with Ember, my first course of action would be to rest her from food for a day or two, if possible. Make sure she has plenty of water, of course. After the short break, I would increase portions until normal over a few days. If you don't want to give her time off of food, then you might at least take her off the hard food for the time being, and then slowly reintroduce it over a week or so. You might also try giving her some pumpkin. I think a teaspoon of pumpkin mixed in with wet food is what I did for Ember when she had bad diarrhea. Keep in mind that this is what *I* would do. Your vet may have a better idea of what's best for little Autumn. I hope she starts feeling better soon. Lance On Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:37:47 -0600, Susan Ang [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hey All,Autumn is doing really well overall. She's been feeling so good in fact that she's been trying to steal human food. She's tried to do this as long as we've had her. The only difference is that she's now bigger and sneakier. On Friday night she got into a plate and ate some pizza crust with a little sauce on it. She also ate part of a cooling banana bread loaf on Saturday. When I set the loaf out she was playing happily in another room - when I turned around she was munching away~_~ The problem is that she's developed diarrhea. She has no other symptoms. We try hard to keep her out of people food, but if you turn your back for a second she gets into your plate. Should I get her in to see a vet ASAP or just wait and see? I understand that sometimes people food upsets their stomachs. I have a soft food for cats with intestinal troubles. Should I take away her hard food and give her the I/D formula? She's also had terrible kitty gas.Thanks, ~Susan A -- Lance Linimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Café. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline
RE: OT: .for Melissa re diarrhea
Thanks for the info Laurie! If it turns out to be IBD, I'll be glad to know there's a group to turn to. Yes, making food seems daunting since I have a difficult enough time doing it for me and my husband (not because I don't like to, just busy). The winter is always less hectic, so I plan to start making kitty food then. Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 5:20 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: .for Melissa re diarrhea Hi. Check out the yahoo IBD group. Great info there. It's possibly a food allergy. You might try the canned foods suggested at www.catinfo.org if making home made feels overwhelming. Depending on size of stool and frequency, the vet should be able to determine if upper or lower intestine and treat accordingly. It sounds like your vet has a good plan. Laurie - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:08 PM Subject: RE: OT: sancturaries for special needs For her diarrhea, the old vet used Metrondiazole and Albon. No parasites were found. The new vet tried new food (Science Diet ID) along with Clavomox. She also dewormed her again just in case. Ashley has gained 2 pounds in the last two weeks since the visit with the new vet, but her poops are the same. Possibly the dewormer helped. I just got off the phone with the vet, and she suggested that we put her back on her regular food that she's used to for 2 weeks. No meds. Then I'll have a stool sample sent to a lab for further testing (once all the meds are out of her system). Then we'll see what could be in her. If that doesn't work, the vet said we might have to do a scope. We'll see. Time will tell. I guess this is really not the time to try to find a home for her. I'm probably the best one to keep her since I know what's going on, what's been done, etc. Maybe I could just find a home for Nonie (healthy) to alleviate the stress. Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: sancturaries for special needs Also, what has been tried? Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw a nice list the other day, but can't remember where - will have to look. Never heard of FORLs, what's that? Have you tried any of the recipes in Dr. Pitcairn's book for her? Gloria On Jul 13, 2007, at 8:40 AM, Melissa Lind wrote: Hi All, Just wondering if anyone knew of sanctuaries that will take special needs kitties. My poor Ashley (foster kitty) still has diarrhea, and they suspect she has feline odontoclastic resorptive lesions (FORLs). I want to find a good home for her, but right now I'm not able to find anyone around here who'll take on a special needs kitty. I just want her to get as much attention as she deserves. She's not FeLV (tested twice), and she seems healthy otherwise. I don't mind taking care of her, but we have 5 kitties in the house (2 that need homes), and now we're expecting (me, not any kitties). I'm not sure how we'll all fit into the house down the road. There's constant wrestling and fighting all night long (play fighting), and I just need to alleviate a little stress. I love our two foster babies, but I know we can't handle 5 forever (financially or emotionally) until we have a bigger home and more $! Melissa
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Hi. Check out the yahoo IBD group. Great info there. It's possibly a food allergy. You might try the canned foods suggested at www.catinfo.org if making home made feels overwhelming. Depending on size of stool and frequency, the vet should be able to determine if upper or lower intestine and treat accordingly. It sounds like your vet has a good plan. Laurie - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:08 PM Subject: RE: OT: sancturaries for special needs For her diarrhea, the old vet used Metrondiazole and Albon. No parasites were found. The new vet tried new food (Science Diet ID) along with Clavomox. She also dewormed her again just in case. Ashley has gained 2 pounds in the last two weeks since the visit with the new vet, but her poops are the same. Possibly the dewormer helped. I just got off the phone with the vet, and she suggested that we put her back on her regular food that she's used to for 2 weeks. No meds. Then I'll have a stool sample sent to a lab for further testing (once all the meds are out of her system). Then we'll see what could be in her. If that doesn't work, the vet said we might have to do a scope. We'll see. Time will tell. I guess this is really not the time to try to find a home for her. I'm probably the best one to keep her since I know what's going on, what's been done, etc. Maybe I could just find a home for Nonie (healthy) to alleviate the stress. Melissa -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: sancturaries for special needs Also, what has been tried? Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw a nice list the other day, but can't remember where - will have to look. Never heard of FORLs, what's that? Have you tried any of the recipes in Dr. Pitcairn's book for her? Gloria On Jul 13, 2007, at 8:40 AM, Melissa Lind wrote: Hi All, Just wondering if anyone knew of sanctuaries that will take special needs kitties. My poor Ashley (foster kitty) still has diarrhea, and they suspect she has feline odontoclastic resorptive lesions (FORLs). I want to find a good home for her, but right now I'm not able to find anyone around here who'll take on a special needs kitty. I just want her to get as much attention as she deserves. She's not FeLV (tested twice), and she seems healthy otherwise. I don't mind taking care of her, but we have 5 kitties in the house (2 that need homes), and now we're expecting (me, not any kitties). I'm not sure how we'll all fit into the house down the road. There's constant wrestling and fighting all night long (play fighting), and I just need to alleviate a little stress. I love our two foster babies, but I know we can't handle 5 forever (financially or emotionally) until we have a bigger home and more $! Melissa
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coccidia also has a distinctly 'foul' smell... Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does the poo smell (fouler than usual diarrhea)? Is it greenish at all? Is it a pattie-like consistency, similar to cow patties? Trich is usually greenish cow pattie like poo with a TERRIBLE smell, very odorific. Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140070302069
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The three kittens I am fostering, whose mom tested a faint positive 12/24, have ongoing diarrhea. They have received Albon and Metronidazole but the diarrhea (liquid) continues. They are eating Purina One kitten chow, plus quite a mix of what is available around the house (Science Diet adult, Innova Adult, and Purina DM). This is not optimal for controlling intestinal issues, but again, I don't want to lock them up. Other than the diarrhea they are a normal and lively lot. Of course since they have possible exposure to FeLV I am fretting that the diarrhea is indicative of something sinister. How should I proceed? Back to the vet, or hope it works itself out? What is the likelihood FeLV is the base culprit? thanks, Lynette =^..^= The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be measured by the way in which its animals are treated. --Mahatma Gandhi, 1869-1948
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How long have they been on Albon and metronidazole? And how old are they? Good appetites, playful? Kittens often have diarrhea. I wouldn't be too worried at this point. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The three kittens I am fostering, whose mom tested a faint positive 12/24, have ongoing diarrhea. They have received Albon and Metronidazole but the diarrhea (liquid) continues. They are eating Purina One kitten chow, plus quite a mix of what is available around the house (Science Diet adult, Innova Adult, and Purina DM). This is not optimal for controlling intestinal issues, but again, I don't want to lock them up. Other than the diarrhea they are a normal and lively lot. Of course since they have possible exposure to FeLV I am fretting that the diarrhea is indicative of something sinister. How should I proceed? Back to the vet, or hope it works itself out? What is the likelihood FeLV is the base culprit? thanks, Lynette =^..^= The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be measured by the way in which its animals are treated. --Mahatma Gandhi, 1869-1948
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Try Apple Pectin and/or Metamucil in small amounts. Also try probiotics/yogurt with active ingredients. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 2:17 PM Subject: kittens have diarrhea The three kittens I am fostering, whose mom tested a faint positive 12/24, have ongoing diarrhea. They have received Albon and Metronidazole but the diarrhea (liquid) continues. They are eating Purina One kitten chow, plus quite a mix of what is available around the house (Science Diet adult, Innova Adult, and Purina DM). This is not optimal for controlling intestinal issues, but again, I don't want to lock them up. Other than the diarrhea they are a normal and lively lot. Of course since they have possible exposure to FeLV I am fretting that the diarrhea is indicative of something sinister. How should I proceed? Back to the vet, or hope it works itself out? What is the likelihood FeLV is the base culprit? thanks, Lynette =^..^= The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be measured by the way in which its animals are treated. --Mahatma Gandhi, 1869-1948
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FELV doesn't usually cause diarrhea (not in itself, though I believe lymphoma can, and FELV does cause lymphoma). However, bad food is the #1 cause. Purina is crap, throw it away, feed it to the raccoons, just get rid of it. Feed a high quality kitten food, like Innova, Wellness, or Chicken Soup brands. Read labels, does you food contain corn? If so, there's your diarrhea. Even quite a few premium brands still contain corn, so it's VITAL that you read the label for ingredients. Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
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My first impulse is to not suspect felv. It would be highly unusual for them all, esp at the same time, to display the same symptom, (diarrhea) as an indication of felv compromising their immune systems. It is much more likely a product of immature gi's dealing with your smorgasborg feeding stations :). I would contact the vet if I were you to have their stool tested for parasites, (including giardia and coccidia). [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The three kittens I am fostering, whose mom tested a faint positive 12/24, have ongoing diarrhea. They have received Albon and Metronidazole but the diarrhea (liquid) continues. They are eating Purina One kitten chow, plus quite a mix of what is available around the house (Science Diet adult, Innova Adult, and Purina DM). This is not optimal for controlling intestinal issues, but again, I don't want to lock them up. Other than the diarrhea they are a normal and lively lot. Of course since they have possible exposure to FeLV I am fretting that the diarrhea is indicative of something sinister. How should I proceed? Back to the vet, or hope it works itself out? What is the likelihood FeLV is the base culprit? thanks, Lynette =^..^= The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be measured by the way in which its animals are treated. --Mahatma Gandhi, 1869-1948
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I got to doing some digging, and came upwith this... Purina ONE feline growth ingredients: Chicken, chicken by-product meal, soy flour, corn gluten meal, brewers rice, beef tallow preserved with mix d-tocopherols (source of Vitamin E), corn meal, fish meal, poultry by-product meal, natural flavors, wheat gluten, phosphoric acid, salt, brewers dried yeast, potassium chloride, choline chloride, taurine, vitamin supplements (E, A, B-12, D-3), zinc sulfate, ferrous sulfate, riboflavin supplement, dl-methionine, niacin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, biotin, thiamine mononitrate, folic acid, copper sulfate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, citric acid, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), calcium iodate, sodium selenite. Purina Kitten Chow (Nurturing Formula): Poultry by-product meal, Brewers rice, Corn gluten meal, Soy flour, Animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), Fish meal, Wheat flour, Brewers dried yeast, Phosphoric acid, Animal digest, Tetra sodium pyrophosphate, Calcium carbonate, Salt, Potassium chloride, Choline chloride, Taurine, Zinc sulfate, Ferrous sulfate, Vitamin E supplement, Manganese sulfate, Niacin, Vitamin A supplement, Calcium pantothenate, Thiamine mononitrate, Copper sulfate, Riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12 supplement, Pyridoxine hydrochloride, Folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, Calcium iodate, Biotin, Menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), Sodium selenite. I advise staying away from corn and wheat in cat foods, corn because cat's don't digest it well, and wheat because it's a huge cause of food allergies. Here's a link to go look at other cat and kitten food choices and ingredients: http://www.petfooddirect.com/store/brands4dept.asp?dept%5Fid=5mscssid=AMP9W4QD50BU8PD334JJWQ8QJC9X0R89 Here's some I suggest: Innova Evo Cat and Kitten: Turkey, Chicken, Chicken Meal, Herring Meal, Potatoes, Chicken Fat, Egg, Turkey Meal, Natural Flavors, Apples, Carrots, Tomatoes, Cottage Cheese, Dried Chicory Root, Taurine, Herring Oil, Rosemary Extract, Vitamins/Minerals, Viable Naturally Occurring Microorganisms Wellness Super5Mix Kitten: Deboned Chicken, Chicken Meal, Chicken Liver, Ground Brown Rice, Ground Whole Oats, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols Rosemary), Cranberries, Blueberries, Flax Seed, Eggs, Peas, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Spirulina, Norwegian Kelp, Whole Apples, Zucchini, Sweet Potatoes, Yucca Schidigera, Chondroitin Sulfate, Glucosamine, Pro-Biotics (Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus), Pre-Biotics (Mannanoligosaccharides), Beta-Carotene, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (A Chelated Source Of Zinc), Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate (A Chelated Source Of Iron), Manganese Proteinate (A Chelated Source Of Manganese), Calcium Pantothenate, Niacin Supplement, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Cobalt Proteinate (A Chelated Source Of Cobalt), Copper Sulfate, Cobalt Carbonate, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B-2), Copper Proteinate (A Chelated Source Of Copper), Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Source Of Vitamin K Activity). Other than improving your food... I'd get a inpouch tritrichomonsis test done. Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
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Thank you for your suggestions. We are going to change the smorgasboard into Innova Evo only. Cast of characters: Our cats: Smokey, 3.5 yrs, healthy Bandit, 3.5 yrs, healthy Otis, ~13 yrs, FIV+, hyperthyroid Gussie, 11 yrs, diabetic, brain damage from hypothyroid coma induced by too much insulin (we got her days after she came out of the coma) Foster cats: 3 kittens, Taylor, Jackie, Kayla, possible FeLV exposure from mother The smorgasboard originated this way: the kittens came to us on Purina; rather than change diet and annoy bowels that way, we just left them on it. The DM was for Gussie; of course she prefers the Innova anyway, and the protein/carb balance in it is acceptable for her, so the other cats were eating diabetic food and she was eating theirs. Otis will eat Science Diet or table scraps, your choice (rescue cat who had been fed table food by the classic little old lady who supported him off her dinner). He absolutely refuses Innova and is thinner than we'd like already. Our new plan is to meal-feed Otis Science Diet, unless by some miracle he decides the Innova is ok, and leave only the Innova down for free-feeding. In answer to the question about the Albon and Metronidazole, they were on the meds 10 days. They have received weight-appropriate dosages of Drontal twice; they had tapeworms and because they had diarrhea the vet recommended treating twice as the dewormer potentially was not in their systems long enough to be completely effective. Can you tell me what an inpouch tritrichomonsis test is? Google is not returning any results. A fecal and exam follow up seems appropriate to me once we see if making their food consistent helps. How long should we wait? Lynette =^..^= The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be measured by the way in which its animals are treated. --Mahatma Gandhi, 1869-1948
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I would try just evo, and if it continues, I would ask the vet to try a week course of metronidazole (flagyl) to clear up whatever is causing it. Michelle
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oops-- sorry, I had not read the original post. I see they are already on metronidazole. Yes, then I would focus on diet. Michelle
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if diet does not fix it, I would get a fecal test sent out. Some parasites and other things need specific treatment. Michelle
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Keep in mind that a lot of times giardia does not show up on fecal. How long have they been on metronidazole? Have they been dewormed, preferably with Drontal? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if diet does not fix it, I would get a fecal test sent out. Some parasites and other things need specific treatment. Michelle
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That may be the case. I do find it bizarre that all of a sudden I'm getting so many positives for trich... but then, there wasn't a test before, so that explains why I just began to find them. Err DUH! If you don't test for it, you don't KNOW about it. I just am glad it's finally becoming known, because it's curable, and lots of cats probably suffered their whole life with it up until now. Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140070302069
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info if your vet needs to know where to get the kits or needs more info) http://www.fabcats.org/tritrichomonas.html (this is a link that has more abou t trich) Now that I read this article, I realize that our rescue group vet mentioned this in connection with an adult with persisent diarrhea I fostered previously (diagnosed with IBD), so I am sure he is aware of it. I have a gut feeling that it's something like this -- a parasite that Drontal doesn't kill. And now that I think about it, their mom had diarrhea too (she is in another home so is less present in my mind). I'll get them to the vet for some fun poop checks, hopefully Wednesday. Thanks for a great link. I think the Evo will help, and I think a viable option for your table scrap k itty would be to feed raw or at least home-made, as it will be more of the flavo r and food type he is used to, but healthier than actual human scraps. We do give him cooked chicken and turkey when we have it on hand (we eat most meals at home so it's on hand fairly frequently) To really do handmade properly requires a lot of nutritional effort that I'm sure is outlined in the links you shared and I'm sure you're well aware of. I've done a ton of nutritional reading and just simply have not had the time/energy to do this right. Hence the Innova in the main bowl; I decided it was the best I could do short of BARF/homemade. Lynette
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Try Apple Pectin and/or Metamucil in small amounts. Also try probiotics/yogurt with active ingredients. We are using Purina veterinary diets fortiflora mixed into IVD/Royal Canin limited ingredient wet food at night. I don't know whether to continue this, with the stop the smorgasboard plan in effect, but it's certainly in the probiotic concept. Lynette
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Keep in mind that a lot of times giardia does not show up on fecal. How long have they been on metronidazole? Have they been dewormed, preferably with D rontal? They were on met for 10 days (off now). They've been dewormed twice with Drontal. Lynette
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You cannot add too many probiotics. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 5:50 PM Subject: Re: kittens have diarrhea Try Apple Pectin and/or Metamucil in small amounts. Also try probiotics/yogurt with active ingredients. We are using Purina veterinary diets fortiflora mixed into IVD/Royal Canin limited ingredient wet food at night. I don't know whether to continue this, with the stop the smorgasboard plan in effect, but it's certainly in the probiotic concept. Lynette
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Oh yeah, I completely understand! I don't do raw or homemade myself for JUST that reason, too much effort (and money)! It might be ok to just feed him the chicken and turkey you are plus a bit of a general supplement, like say Feline Missing Link, or Vita-tabs, or anything just as a general vitamin/mineral source (not optimal, but better than just the meat alone). If he's refusing to eat the kibble, and all he is eating is chicken and turkey though, it's not going to be a viable long-term option. lemme see... there are commercially prepared raw diets... maybe that he would eat. http://www.wildkittycatfood.com/ http://www.homemade4life.com/main.html http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/products/Northwest-Naturals-Raw-Cat-Food/167014.aspx http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/products/Primal-Pet-Foods-Raw-Cat-Food/165006.aspx http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/products/Natures-Variety-Raw-Food-Diets/131069.aspx http://www.felinefuture.com/products/ (a premade supplement balanced to just add water, organs and meat and feed) There are many others. Money is MY personal limiting factor as to why I don't do this. It's time and money. If I feed raw and make my own, it's a time issue; if I were to buy premade raw like those above, it's a money issue. It might not be bad for one cat, like you would need, but I have 7 cats here, one of which has no teeth, so anything I would feed to him I have to dice into 1/4 inch cubes. Anyways... at the least, the Feline Future link, the bottom one, would be a good way to make your currently fed chicken and turkey more complete (though you really should add some organs too). I just don't want you to end up with a sick cat, he can't continue to eat just chicken and turkey long term, it's not healthy or balanced. Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140070302069
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probiotics are good, no matter what you feed, I would continue to add the probiotics! I'm currently using the Purina fortiflora packs myself, as my vet sent my cat home from the hospital with an opened box, and I think it's a good product, he seems improved already. Normally I wouldn't buy anything made by Purina, but this product seems to be a good one. The fact is, most likely Purina buys this in bulk from someone else that makes it and just re-packages it in those little single packs in a box and marks it up like 200% and calls it their own, anyways. :-) Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140070302069
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How does the poo smell (fouler than usual diarrhea)? Is it greenish at all? Is it a pattie-like consistency, similar to cow patties? Trich is usually greenish cow pattie like poo with a TERRIBLE smell, very odorific. Phaewryn Don't Lose Your Pet! Register at AWOLpet.com: http://AWOLPet.com (use referral code: LittleCheetah) Whitey's Story: http://ucat.us/Whitey.html 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=140070302069
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How does the poo smell (fouler than usual diarrhea)? Is it greenish at all? I s it a pattie-like consistency, similar to cow patties? Trich is usually greenish co w pattie like poo with a TERRIBLE smell, very odorific. It's quite odorific. However, it is brown, not green. Just darker than tan? Basically, they rot. It's 50/50 when they hop in your lap if the smell is tolerable. My adults are grooming them, but not a lot yet. Lynette
