Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-26 Thread wendy
Laura, 

I'm so sorry to hear about your Bridget. I hope that you realize that you did 
not kill her. Your guilt is normal, but not founded. She was lucky to have you 
loving and caring so well for her. 

Again, I'm very sorry you lost her. I pray for healing and comfort for you.
Wendy
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the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade 
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From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com
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Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 3:45:50 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

Bridget is dead. I had her spayed today and apparently she died very quickly 
under anesthesia. She was my baby. I would have done anything for her and now 
she's dead. It has been a miserable few weeks with Frosty Paws and then Baby 
Girl but this has broken my heart. She was doing so well. Could it have been 
the LTCI? I have to know whether I'm responsible for killing her. Please, if 
anyone knows whether the LTCI could have had something to do with it, maybe 
made her more sensitive to being put under, please let me know, I have to know 
whether I killed my cat.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-20 Thread Debbie Bates

Jeff, what a wonderful storyand you a an angel for giving this little guy a 
chance to live an to know what love feels like.  Bravo!!


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-20 Thread Laurieskatz
Ditto! Lucky kitten and lucky youunconditional love!

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Jeff, what a wonderful storyand you a an angel for giving this little
guy a chance to live an to know what love feels like.  Bravo!!


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-20 Thread dlgegg
you have no way of knowing if it was the stress or him, but then only God knows 
that.  you can't in hindsight blame yourself for something you could not 
forsee.  i imagine that he was just warning you of the possibility.  it would 
be wrong of him not to.  that is why even tho it may cost more, i will just eat 
less and make more trips to town to make up for it, i use my regular vet.  i 
know his feelings about fiv and felv, we are on the same wavelength, and i 
trust him.  i have 2 felv kitties and he has spayed both.  they both came thru 
with no problems.  he is also a uscker like i am and takes care of street cats 
and finds home for them.  i have 2 of them.  so don't be hard on yourself.  you 
tried your best and your baby knows you loved her.  that is what is important.
 LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 It wasn't my regular vet  - it was the spay/neuter vet who comes to the 
 shelter where I work. He's altered many of my cats and they've all come 
 through fine. But this vet also thinks all cats with FeLV should be 
 euthanized. He's entitled to his opinion. But it was odd this morning when I 
 dropped her off - he said You know, this can stress out a cat with leukemia 
  bring on symptoms. I'm just letting you know so you don't blame me if 
 something happens. Well, yeah, we all know you need to keep these cats away 
 from stress. How many cats have I had spayed or neutered with FeLV  they've 
 been OK? Does this sound suspicious or what?
 
 --- On Wed, 3/17/10, Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 
 From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 4:52 PM
 
 
 I am so sorry for you loss. You did not kill your cat. You were being
 responsible to have her spayed. Your vet knew her history--please do not
 beat yourself up. I wish there were more words to help. Please know you are
 not to blame yourself.
 
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 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM
 Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 2:46 PM
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 Subject: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
 
 Bridget is dead. I had her spayed today and apparently she died very quickly
 under anesthesia. She was my baby. I would have done anything for her and
 now she's dead. It has been a miserable few weeks with Frosty Paws and then
 Baby Girl but this has broken my heart. She was doing so well. Could it have
 been the LTCI? I have to know whether I'm responsible for killing her.
 Please, if anyone knows whether the LTCI could have had something to do with
 it, maybe made her more sensitive to being put under, please let me know, I
 have to know whether I killed my cat.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-19 Thread LauraM
You might be right about that. I know a woman who's a medium, and when we spoke 
last night she said that Bridget was sent to me to give me two lessons:  one, 
to learn to let go; and two, to trust my instincts more. Well, that's great, 
but if I'd trusted my instincts she'd still be alive! She also said that 
Bridget doesn't blame me and she is very happy on the other side, but will come 
back to me three days after her death (Saturday).

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From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 12:28 PM


please, please remember that we do the very best we can at the moment, with
the information at hand. you know, and bridget knows, that you would NEVER
have done anything willingly to hurt her. you did what you thought was best,
in her best interest. it may be true that you choose not to listen to an
inner voice, but it may equally be true that that was the last lesson that
bridget was here to teach you: to believe in that voice the next time.
sometimes we only learn that sort of lesson this hardest way.

i think that we try to take the blame for things because it's easier to
think that we could have done something differently, changed outcomes, than
to accept that we are, in many many situations, powerless. the healthiest
cat can die from a simple surgery, or a undetected wound, or some genetic
glitch we had no idea existed in its DNA soup. all we can do, for any of
those in our lifes, regardless of species, is love them to the best of our
ability, and know that every minute is a gift.

GLOW to guide Bridget across the bridge, where she was met by many others
who have gone before her. and as many others have said, she WILL come to you
when the most intense pain has diminished a bit.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-19 Thread MaryChristine
but you needed a powerful reminder to trust those instincts, and now you
have one. you will NEVER forget this experience, and you will honor
bridget's memory every time you listen to them throughout the rest of your
life. and bridget, like all cats, knows you did you best, and understands
that you're only human.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-19 Thread Jeff Mills
Bridget will talk to you when the time is right.

Two months after Demon and Sheba passed, they sent me a kitten.  Not just any 
kitten, but a special needs kitten.  He had been abandoned under my house, and 
we found a little black streak flying off the front porch where we keep dry 
food for our outdoor friends when we pulled in the driveway a couple 
consecutive August afternoons.  So I put the humane trap out with some wet food 
in it, and, just like clockwork, two days later we had a small black furry 
bundle, about 8 weeks old.

Turned out he tested positive for FeLV.  Not wanting to put the little guy to 
sleep, we decided to keep him in the bathroom for three months and retest him.  
That was when I started to educate myself about FeLV, and hence why I am here 
to console you about your loss now.  Funny how life works, eh?

Three months later, he retested positive for FeLV, and FIV as well.  Plus, he 
has a slight birth defect in the back where he is not in 100% control of either 
his tail, his sphincter, or his bladder.  He's gotten much better as he's 
gotten older, but there were days when we struggled with keeping him, because 
we were changing the sheets and blankets on the bed once or twice a day.  Even 
today (9 months), he gets shut in the bathroom at night lest he cuddle with 
Daddy and get so relaxed he pees in the bed during the night.  How many others 
would just put him down?  Or put him outside, to further the FeLV population?

Demon sent Junior to me because he knew this special Daddy's boy needed someone 
to take care of him.  He couldn't have told me any clearer with an old, raspy 
meow.

Bridget will talk to you, when the time is right.


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-19 Thread MaryChristine
hey, jeff, over at www.handicappedpet.net there are all sorts of tutorials
on how to do, pee and poop on demand, and the proper use of diapers for a
few hours a day--many of you remember mari, SpiritCat, from TX. she's got a
number of potty-compromised babies herself... (gee, you aren't in SC, are
you? we need a temporary home for a little 3-year-old recovering from a car
accident--she's currently bladder-incontinent but is expected to recover
function, but her parents' schedule keeps them from being to regularly
express her)

we are all here to learn--and it's amazing what directions the teachings
take.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-19 Thread Laurieskatz
I am very glad you spoke to someoneplease let us know what you hear from
Bridget. The morning after Keisha died I felt and heard (she purred
constantly and loudly) her glued next to me in bed in those first seconds
before reality slams into your consciousness. I know she was sleeping with
me one last time. 

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

You might be right about that. I know a woman who's a medium, and when we
spoke last night she said that Bridget was sent to me to give me two
lessons:  one, to learn to let go; and two, to trust my instincts more.
Well, that's great, but if I'd trusted my instincts she'd still be alive!
She also said that Bridget doesn't blame me and she is very happy on the
other side, but will come back to me three days after her death (Saturday).

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From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 12:28 PM


please, please remember that we do the very best we can at the moment, with
the information at hand. you know, and bridget knows, that you would NEVER
have done anything willingly to hurt her. you did what you thought was best,
in her best interest. it may be true that you choose not to listen to an
inner voice, but it may equally be true that that was the last lesson that
bridget was here to teach you: to believe in that voice the next time.
sometimes we only learn that sort of lesson this hardest way.

i think that we try to take the blame for things because it's easier to
think that we could have done something differently, changed outcomes, than
to accept that we are, in many many situations, powerless. the healthiest
cat can die from a simple surgery, or a undetected wound, or some genetic
glitch we had no idea existed in its DNA soup. all we can do, for any of
those in our lifes, regardless of species, is love them to the best of our
ability, and know that every minute is a gift.

GLOW to guide Bridget across the bridge, where she was met by many others
who have gone before her. and as many others have said, she WILL come to you
when the most intense pain has diminished a bit.

MC

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-19 Thread Laurieskatz
Laura, I just looked back and realize you lost all 3 kitties in just 30 days
PLEASE be gentle with yourself and give yourself time to grieve. It was
suggested to me: every morning write down one thing I am grateful for, one
way I am going to bring joy to myself that day and one way I am going to
bring joy to others that day. It has helped me.
L

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

You might be right about that. I know a woman who's a medium, and when we
spoke last night she said that Bridget was sent to me to give me two
lessons:  one, to learn to let go; and two, to trust my instincts more.
Well, that's great, but if I'd trusted my instincts she'd still be alive!
She also said that Bridget doesn't blame me and she is very happy on the
other side, but will come back to me three days after her death (Saturday).

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From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 12:28 PM


please, please remember that we do the very best we can at the moment, with
the information at hand. you know, and bridget knows, that you would NEVER
have done anything willingly to hurt her. you did what you thought was best,
in her best interest. it may be true that you choose not to listen to an
inner voice, but it may equally be true that that was the last lesson that
bridget was here to teach you: to believe in that voice the next time.
sometimes we only learn that sort of lesson this hardest way.

i think that we try to take the blame for things because it's easier to
think that we could have done something differently, changed outcomes, than
to accept that we are, in many many situations, powerless. the healthiest
cat can die from a simple surgery, or a undetected wound, or some genetic
glitch we had no idea existed in its DNA soup. all we can do, for any of
those in our lifes, regardless of species, is love them to the best of our
ability, and know that every minute is a gift.

GLOW to guide Bridget across the bridge, where she was met by many others
who have gone before her. and as many others have said, she WILL come to you
when the most intense pain has diminished a bit.

MC

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-19 Thread LauraM
This woman uses an animal communicator herself, so I'm going to look into doing 
that. I'm afraid I'll never reach closure on this one unless I make an extra 
effort. It's horrible when any of them die - but with Frosty Paws  Baby Girl, 
at least I understood WHY. Frosty had a lymphosarcoma and Baby Girl, well, Baby 
Girl finally failed after two good years like so many of them do. I just need 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-19 Thread Cougar Clan
If you were good at trusting your instincts you would not have needed  
Bridget.  You would have missed the pain you are in now but you would  
never have had the wonderful pleasure of knowing Bridget.

On Mar 19, 2010, at 1:21 PM, LauraM wrote:

You might be right about that. I know a woman who's a medium, and  
when we spoke last night she said that Bridget was sent to me to  
give me two lessons:  one, to learn to let go; and two, to trust my  
instincts more. Well, that's great, but if I'd trusted my instincts  
she'd still be alive! She also said that Bridget doesn't blame me  
and she is very happy on the other side, but will come back to me  
three days after her death (Saturday).


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From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 12:28 PM


please, please remember that we do the very best we can at the  
moment, with
the information at hand. you know, and bridget knows, that you would  
NEVER
have done anything willingly to hurt her. you did what you thought  
was best,
in her best interest. it may be true that you choose not to listen  
to an
inner voice, but it may equally be true that that was the last  
lesson that

bridget was here to teach you: to believe in that voice the next time.
sometimes we only learn that sort of lesson this hardest way.

i think that we try to take the blame for things because it's easier  
to
think that we could have done something differently, changed  
outcomes, than
to accept that we are, in many many situations, powerless. the  
healthiest
cat can die from a simple surgery, or a undetected wound, or some  
genetic
glitch we had no idea existed in its DNA soup. all we can do, for  
any of
those in our lifes, regardless of species, is love them to the best  
of our

ability, and know that every minute is a gift.

GLOW to guide Bridget across the bridge, where she was met by many  
others
who have gone before her. and as many others have said, she WILL  
come to you

when the most intense pain has diminished a bit.

MC

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)

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-18 Thread LauraM
I don't think she's fine, at all. When I went into my garage, where I keep my 
positives and my turtles, the air was so thick in there I couldn't stand it. I 
started hyperventilating and I felt sick. As you all know, I've lost a few cats 
to FeLV and this hasn't happened before. I'm telling you, this was either 
intentional or it was negligence, and Bridget knows this. I'll never be able to 
prove it, I'm aware of that, but I know it in my heart.
I found out last night that the same vet nearly killed a friend's cat by giving 
too much anesthesia.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-18 Thread Debbie Bates

Laura, what a tragic turn of events!!! I am so sorry for all you have had to 
endure recentlyour hearts break with yours.

 
 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:45:50 -0700
 From: hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
 
 Bridget is dead. I had her spayed today and apparently she died very quickly 
 under anesthesia. She was my baby. I would have done anything for her and now 
 she's dead. It has been a miserable few weeks with Frosty Paws and then Baby 
 Girl but this has broken my heart. She was doing so well. Could it have been 
 the LTCI? I have to know whether I'm responsible for killing her. Please, if 
 anyone knows whether the LTCI could have had something to do with it, maybe 
 made her more sensitive to being put under, please let me know, I have to 
 know whether I killed my cat.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-18 Thread Stray Cat Alliance

I totally understand feeling guilty - been there. Sometimes even when your head 
knows it isn't your fault but your heart says differently. Please do not beat 
yourself up over it - it is not your fault. Your love for Bridget (and your 
other cats) is evident in your email. She and they were very lucky to have you 
- and I know you feel lucky that you had them.

 

I am very sorry for your losses.

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-18 Thread Jeff Mills
I understand your pain.  I took my 17-year old into the vet last June 15th 
because he was very old and fragile, and refused food that morning.  He had 
separated himself from the pride, self-exiling to the living room weeks before. 
 

The technician detected a wheeze - he had been wheezing for years.  He was 17, 
after all.  So the technician told me that he would take Demon in back and put 
him on some oxygen until the doctor could look him over.  He yowled as she took 
him away, and for once in my life, my cat senses failed me.

Moments later, the doctor came into the room to tell me that Demon had arrested 
on the exam table, and there was nothing they could do.  Before I had even had 
a chance to thank him for all the joy he had given me, to honor him by holding 
him as he passed - all of that was taken away from the two of us.

It is hard to not think, If I had only...  Blaming oneself seems natural, 
when the result is the loss of one of our close family members.  And make no 
mistake, that's what the furbabies we take into our lives quickly become.  (I 
am crying as I am writing this.)

But do not let an unfortunate accident diminish the bond you had with your 
fur-daughter, however short it may have been.  Cherish what time you had 
together, and what you learned from her.  Take what she taught you into the 
future with you, for while it still hurts right now, eventually there will be 
another furry relationship, and the things you have learned with Bridget will 
provide you with invaluable lessons for the future.

For the kitties,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-18 Thread LauraM
I never got to say goodbye. I handed her over and left her with strangers and 
left her to die without me. I don't know how long she'd been dead before the 
vet bothered calling - I left as soon as I got word  it only takes 15 minutes 
to get there, and she was stone cold and stiff as a board. This will haunt me 
for the rest of my life.

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From: Jeff Mills jeffkmi...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 6:39 PM


I understand your pain.  I took my 17-year old into the vet last June 15th 
because he was very old and fragile, and refused food that morning.  He had 
separated himself from the pride, self-exiling to the living room weeks 
before.  

The technician detected a wheeze - he had been wheezing for years.  He was 17, 
after all.  So the technician told me that he would take Demon in back and put 
him on some oxygen until the doctor could look him over.  He yowled as she took 
him away, and for once in my life, my cat senses failed me.

Moments later, the doctor came into the room to tell me that Demon had arrested 
on the exam table, and there was nothing they could do.  Before I had even had 
a chance to thank him for all the joy he had given me, to honor him by holding 
him as he passed - all of that was taken away from the two of us.

It is hard to not think, If I had only...  Blaming oneself seems natural, 
when the result is the loss of one of our close family members.  And make no 
mistake, that's what the furbabies we take into our lives quickly become.  (I 
am crying as I am writing this.)

But do not let an unfortunate accident diminish the bond you had with your 
fur-daughter, however short it may have been.  Cherish what time you had 
together, and what you learned from her.  Take what she taught you into the 
future with you, for while it still hurts right now, eventually there will be 
another furry relationship, and the things you have learned with Bridget will 
provide you with invaluable lessons for the future.

For the kitties,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-18 Thread Cougar Clan
Wait, calm yourself, and, when the time is right, talk to Bridget.   
She will talk back to you when it is right.  Honest.

On Mar 18, 2010, at 6:31 PM, LauraM wrote:

I never got to say goodbye. I handed her over and left her with  
strangers and left her to die without me. I don't know how long  
she'd been dead before the vet bothered calling - I left as soon as  
I got word  it only takes 15 minutes to get there, and she was  
stone cold and stiff as a board. This will haunt me for the rest of  
my life.


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From: Jeff Mills jeffkmi...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 6:39 PM


I understand your pain.  I took my 17-year old into the vet last  
June 15th because he was very old and fragile, and refused food that  
morning.  He had separated himself from the pride, self-exiling to  
the living room weeks before.


The technician detected a wheeze - he had been wheezing for years.   
He was 17, after all.  So the technician told me that he would take  
Demon in back and put him on some oxygen until the doctor could look  
him over.  He yowled as she took him away, and for once in my life,  
my cat senses failed me.


Moments later, the doctor came into the room to tell me that Demon  
had arrested on the exam table, and there was nothing they could  
do.  Before I had even had a chance to thank him for all the joy he  
had given me, to honor him by holding him as he passed - all of that  
was taken away from the two of us.


It is hard to not think, If I had only...  Blaming oneself seems  
natural, when the result is the loss of one of our close family  
members.  And make no mistake, that's what the furbabies we take  
into our lives quickly become.  (I am crying as I am writing this.)


But do not let an unfortunate accident diminish the bond you had  
with your fur-daughter, however short it may have been.  Cherish  
what time you had together, and what you learned from her.  Take  
what she taught you into the future with you, for while it still  
hurts right now, eventually there will be another furry  
relationship, and the things you have learned with Bridget will  
provide you with invaluable lessons for the future.


For the kitties,
Jeffrey Mills




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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-18 Thread Belinda Sauro
Now I have to say that is odd, they should have called you when it 
happened, right away when it happened.  When I lost my Buddie 
immediately after surgery.  My vet called to tell me she came through 
surgery just fine but a few minutes later she called me back and told me 
she had arrested in recovery.  They tried saving her but couldn't.


With my sisters cat they called while she was on the table to let you us 
know what happened and kept her alive until we could get there and see 
exactly how bad it was.  They kept her alive for a while to give my 
sister time to come to grips with what had happened and to make sure she 
wasn't going to pull out of it.  She never showed any signs of 
improvement and that was when my sister decided to let her go.



I never got to say goodbye. I handed her over and left her with strangers and left 
her to die without me. I don't know how long she'd been dead before the vet 
bothered calling - I left as soon as I got word  it only takes 15 minutes to 
get there, and she was stone cold and stiff as a board. This will haunt me for the 
rest of my life.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-18 Thread Belinda Sauro
PS.  I had the same guilt with Buddie, but she was so sick I knew there 
was a good chance she wouldn't pull through, I spent the night before 
telling her if she was ready to leave it was OK, it was her decision.  I 
did ask her to let me know she was OK if she did leave ... and she did.


Three days after she passed I got up to feed the cats for the last time 
before I went to bed, hubby was already sound asleep.  Went in the 
kitchen, got the food bowls ready put them on the floor and headed back 
to bed.  To my surprise the exercise room light was on, it was not on 
when I got up and went in the kitchen.  This was Buddies favorite room, 
she wasn't very social with the other cats and spent a lot of time in 
there to be alone.  I know she turned that light on to let me know she 
was OK ... I thanked her and went to bed with a smile on my face.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-18 Thread Belinda Sauro
  I agree, talk to her, Bridget will answer you in the best way she 
can.  My Mom and Dad come around on occasion, Dad with the smell of 
cigarette smoke, he loved his ciggies and Mom with the smell of fried 
chicken, she came everyday for a month before Bailey passed, I didn't 
put it together until after he passed, the smell immediately stopped, 
but for his last month I smelled it every single day and commented more 
than once that someone sure liked fried chicken.  I was assuming it was 
coming from outside.  It was Mom, she came to take Bailey home for me.


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[Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-17 Thread LauraM
Bridget is dead. I had her spayed today and apparently she died very quickly 
under anesthesia. She was my baby. I would have done anything for her and now 
she's dead. It has been a miserable few weeks with Frosty Paws and then Baby 
Girl but this has broken my heart. She was doing so well. Could it have been 
the LTCI? I have to know whether I'm responsible for killing her. Please, if 
anyone knows whether the LTCI could have had something to do with it, maybe 
made her more sensitive to being put under, please let me know, I have to know 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-17 Thread Barb Moermond
Oh Laura, I am so sorry.  I highly doubt that the LTCI was a contributing 
factor, but I'm not a vet.  Some kitties' bodies just can't handle those drugs 
and she might have had an underlying problem with her heart that contributed.  
I firmly believe that you did NOT kill Bridget; you are a fabulous meowmie and 
gave her love and help others wouldn't have.  She slipped away peacefully, 
unaware and that isn't a bad thing; sometimes we can't give our furkids a 
peaceful passing.

{{{Laura
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My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living 
his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. 
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From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 3:45:50 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

Bridget is dead. I had her spayed today and apparently she died very quickly 
under anesthesia. She was my baby. I would have done anything for her and now 
she's dead. It has been a miserable few weeks with Frosty Paws and then Baby 
Girl but this has broken my heart. She was doing so well. Could it have been 
the LTCI? I have to know whether I'm responsible for killing her. Please, if 
anyone knows whether the LTCI could have had something to do with it, maybe 
made her more sensitive to being put under, please let me know, I have to know 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-17 Thread Sara Kasteleyn
Laura...you did not do this.  Please do not blame yourself.  

I'm fairly new to this list and I know others will have better insight than
I.  I can only share that one of my two positives turned blue under
anesthesia for neutering.  In our case, they were able to bring him back
quickly, but I think more animals are lost during spay/neuter procedures
than is common knowledge.  

We discovered Taj was FeLV positive in the pre-op bloodwork.  His sister,
Rani, also tested positive when we took her to be spayed a week later.  She
didn't have the same adverse reaction to the anesthesia as her brother, but
I know that because of his very near death experience, the vet staff was
extremely cautious with her.

None of this helps you with the terrible pain of losing Bridget.  I am so
very sorry.  She knew she was dearly loved, and you know that all of us
grieve with you.

Sara

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Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 1:46 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

Bridget is dead. I had her spayed today and apparently she died very quickly
under anesthesia. She was my baby. I would have done anything for her and
now she's dead. It has been a miserable few weeks with Frosty Paws and then
Baby Girl but this has broken my heart. She was doing so well. Could it have
been the LTCI? I have to know whether I'm responsible for killing her.
Please, if anyone knows whether the LTCI could have had something to do with
it, maybe made her more sensitive to being put under, please let me know, I
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-17 Thread Hotmail Junk
I am so sorry Laura!!! I highly doubt it was the LTCI. You are in my  
prayers?


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On Mar 17, 2010, at 1:45 PM, LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com wrote:

Bridget is dead. I had her spayed today and apparently she died very  
quickly under anesthesia. She was my baby. I would have done  
anything for her and now she's dead. It has been a miserable few  
weeks with Frosty Paws and then Baby Girl but this has broken my  
heart. She was doing so well. Could it have been the LTCI? I have to  
know whether I'm responsible for killing her. Please, if anyone  
knows whether the LTCI could have had something to do with it, maybe  
made her more sensitive to being put under, please let me know, I  
have to know whether I killed my cat.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-17 Thread Cougar Clan
Not really.  When I took Dixie to be spayed (we found out later-- 
before surgery--that she had already been spayed) there were detailed  
discussions about stress and FeLV+ cats and which was more stressful,  
surgery or going through heat at least twice a year.  And my vets  
were not in favor of euthanizing any healthy cat whether she was FeLV+  
or not.  They laid it on the line including her possible problems and  
less than lengthy life and, more importantly, how she was very healthy  
then.  They feel, and I agree, that all the cards should be on the  
table.  My regular vets were 2 1/2 hours away from the two little ones  
who left this world.  They suspect that there were underlying issues.

On Mar 17, 2010, at 4:00 PM, LauraM wrote:

It wasn't my regular vet  - it was the spay/neuter vet who comes to  
the shelter where I work. He's altered many of my cats and they've  
all come through fine. But this vet also thinks all cats with FeLV  
should be euthanized. He's entitled to his opinion. But it was odd  
this morning when I dropped her off - he said You know, this can  
stress out a cat with leukemia  bring on symptoms. I'm just letting  
you know so you don't blame me if something happens. Well, yeah, we  
all know you need to keep these cats away from stress. How many cats  
have I had spayed or neutered with FeLV  they've been OK? Does this  
sound suspicious or what?


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From: Elizabeth Malone malon...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 4:52 PM


I am so sorry for you loss. You did not kill your cat. You were being
responsible to have her spayed. Your vet knew her history--please do  
not
beat yourself up. I wish there were more words to help. Please know  
you are

not to blame yourself.

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Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 2:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

Bridget is dead. I had her spayed today and apparently she died very  
quickly
under anesthesia. She was my baby. I would have done anything for  
her and
now she's dead. It has been a miserable few weeks with Frosty Paws  
and then
Baby Girl but this has broken my heart. She was doing so well. Could  
it have

been the LTCI? I have to know whether I'm responsible for killing her.
Please, if anyone knows whether the LTCI could have had something to  
do with
it, maybe made her more sensitive to being put under, please let me  
know, I

have to know whether I killed my cat.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-17 Thread Frank Sue Koren
I'm so sorry about Bridget.  We lost a cat that was being spayed once, the 
vet said it was her heart.
I am SO sure it was not your fault.  All of us that are responsible cat 
owners have our cats spayed and neutered. There is no other good choice, 
especially with a positive cat.  We all know that going into heat and 
everything to do with mating puts stress on a cat that is even worse for a 
positive cat.  Please do not blame yourself when you were just doing what 
you thought was best for her.

Sue
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Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 4:45 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead


Bridget is dead. I had her spayed today and apparently she died very 
quickly under anesthesia. She was my baby. I would have done anything for 
her and now she's dead. It has been a miserable few weeks with Frosty Paws 
and then Baby Girl but this has broken my heart. She was doing so well. 
Could it have been the LTCI? I have to know whether I'm responsible for 
killing her. Please, if anyone knows whether the LTCI could have had 
something to do with it, maybe made her more sensitive to being put under, 
please let me know, I have to know whether I killed my cat.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-17 Thread Beth
Oh Laura I am so sorry. You have truly had an awful time lately. Please don't 
blame yourself. I've had a couple kitties die under anesthesia. It has usually 
been their heart. 
You are such a wonderful person to take in these kitties  have done so much 
more than most people would have. Unfortunately having these kitties takes a 
horrible toll on our hearts. My thoughts are with you. 

Beth
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--- On Wed, 3/17/10, LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 4:45 PM

Bridget is dead. I had her spayed today and apparently she died very quickly 
under anesthesia. She was my baby. I would have done anything for her and now 
she's dead. It has been a miserable few weeks with Frosty Paws and then Baby 
Girl but this has broken my heart. She was doing so well. Could it have been 
the LTCI? I have to know whether I'm responsible for killing her. Please, if 
anyone knows whether the LTCI could have had something to do with it, maybe 
made her more sensitive to being put under, please let me know, I have to know 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-17 Thread Laurieskatz
Laura, sending healing thoughts, energy and prayers to you. You did right by
these kitties. There are so many things we cannot control. You gave them
love and they had a better life with you than they would have had
otherwise...even though brief. Godspeed, sweet Bridget. 

My beloved Keisha, (age unknown, FeLv-) was my kitty for 10 years. One day
she was having trouble breathing. I took her to the ER. The vet told me he
wanted to give her some oxygen and that she would be fine. He told me to
come back in 2 hours. He called me an hour later and said she died. I had so
many questions and guilt and then some days later I realized my guilt and
the answers to my questions would not bring her back and I did the best I
could.  
I did request a necropsy and did learn her cause of death (congestive heart
failure. I also learned she had beginning stage lung cancer). Knowing what
she died of did provide some measure of comfort but didn't change things.

My best,
Laurie 

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Oh Laura I am so sorry. You have truly had an awful time lately. Please
don't blame yourself. I've had a couple kitties die under anesthesia. It has
usually been their heart. 
You are such a wonderful person to take in these kitties  have done so much
more than most people would have. Unfortunately having these kitties takes a
horrible toll on our hearts. My thoughts are with you. 

Beth
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From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 4:45 PM

Bridget is dead. I had her spayed today and apparently she died very quickly
under anesthesia. She was my baby. I would have done anything for her and
now she's dead. It has been a miserable few weeks with Frosty Paws and then
Baby Girl but this has broken my heart. She was doing so well. Could it have
been the LTCI? I have to know whether I'm responsible for killing her.
Please, if anyone knows whether the LTCI could have had something to do with
it, maybe made her more sensitive to being put under, please let me know, I
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-17 Thread LauraM
This really bothers me. For the past week I've had an awful premonition that I 
shouldn't spay her, that she would die during surgery. I had a bad, bad 
feeling. No reason behind it, the thought just kept intruding. I ignored it and 
figured I was just worrying too much. It reminds me of something that happened 
a few years back. I had a day off in the middle of the week, it was springtime, 
 I decided I would go to a nature preserve near my house to look for 
salamanders. Anyway, about a week before I planned to go, I began seeing a 
newspaper headline in my head: Hiker finds body in woods.  The feeling was 
very disturbing and very, very strong. The day of my little trip came, and I 
was so freaked out I didn't go. A few days later I opened up the paper and what 
did I see? Hiker finds body in woods. At the nature preserve I planned to 
visit. In the very same spot I thought I'd find salamanders. It was a mentally 
ill man who had suffered from an
 apparent heart attack and died. 
This time I didn't trust my gut and look what happened. It is my fault.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-17 Thread Sharyl
Laura, I am so sorry to read about Bridget.  We do the best we can with the 
knowledge we have.  Normally it is best to have any kitty spayed/neutered.  
Unfortunately there is always a risk with anesthesia.  
My heart goes out to you.
Sharyl

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 From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 4:45 PM
 
 Bridget is dead. I had her spayed today and apparently she
 died very quickly
 under anesthesia. She was my baby. I would have done
 anything for her and
 now she's dead. It has been a miserable few weeks with
 Frosty Paws and then
 Baby Girl but this has broken my heart. She was doing so
 well. Could it have
 been the LTCI? I have to know whether I'm responsible for
 killing her.
 Please, if anyone knows whether the LTCI could have had
 something to do with
 it, maybe made her more sensitive to being put under,
 please let me know, I
 have to know whether I killed my cat.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-17 Thread Laurieskatz
Laura, you are obviously blessed with strong intuitive thought.  
I am so sorry that you are having these feelings that Bridget's passing is
your fault. I know you will trust your gut in the future. For now, please
try to forgive yourself. When I don't act or do act in opposition to my gut
and something bad happens, all I can do is learn to listen better the next
time. That is ALL I can do at that point. I have so many regrets about not
doing what, in hindsight, I think I should have, but I cannot live there or
it will kill me or make me sick.
Bridget needs your positive energy to get where she is going. I am sending
energy to you.for some peace in your heart and for self forgiveness.
God bless you. You did what you thought was the right thing.
Laurie

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Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 8:17 PM
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This really bothers me. For the past week I've had an awful premonition that
I shouldn't spay her, that she would die during surgery. I had a bad, bad
feeling. No reason behind it, the thought just kept intruding. I ignored it
and figured I was just worrying too much. It reminds me of something that
happened a few years back. I had a day off in the middle of the week, it was
springtime,  I decided I would go to a nature preserve near my house to
look for salamanders. Anyway, about a week before I planned to go, I began
seeing a newspaper headline in my head: Hiker finds body in woods.  The
feeling was very disturbing and very, very strong. The day of my little trip
came, and I was so freaked out I didn't go. A few days later I opened up the
paper and what did I see? Hiker finds body in woods. At the nature
preserve I planned to visit. In the very same spot I thought I'd
find salamanders. It was a mentally ill man who had suffered from an
 apparent heart attack and died. 
This time I didn't trust my gut and look what happened. It is my fault.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-17 Thread Sally Davis
Laura,

I am very sorry. I hope your guily will ease up. You did everything right.
Bridget knows you love her.

Sally

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-17 Thread janine paton
Hey Laura, 

Your subject line really caught me - I've recently lost a cat named Bridget and 
she was the best, smartest cat.  Bridget is a wonderful  name and thank god she 
had one.  I don't know what LTCI is and am hoping someone explains it.  

I relocated a feral cat named Molly to my yard and for years, she did really 
well, never leaving.  She loved to hang out with us on our deck.  Then she 
found a friend, followed him, got hit by car.  Her beautiful face was smashed 
and there was no doubt she died instantly, but still, I had to have a vet 
listen for her heart hours later, to be sure, even  tho it was so obvious she 
was gone.  Looking back, I think my asking for vet to listen for heart beat was 
shock and disbelief on my part  We all blame ourselves at first when something 
so unexpected happens, it must be human nature.   
It's terribly stressful for these cats to go into heat over and over (I think 
more than twice a year) and the possibility of an infected uterus or mammary 
cancer is very real, I know, I've seen enough of it.  I hope you realize sooner 
than later you were doing what was right for Bridget, and keep on helping 
others.  

The very best to you, 

Janine   




From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 9:41:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

Laura, I am so sorry to read about Bridget.  We do the best we can with the 
knowledge we have.  Normally it is best to have any kitty spayed/neutered.  
Unfortunately there is always a risk with anesthesia.  
My heart goes out to you.
Sharyl

 --- On Wed, 3/17/10, LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com
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 From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 4:45 PM
 
 Bridget is dead. I had her spayed today and apparently she
 died very quickly
 under anesthesia. She was my baby. I would have done
 anything for her and
 now she's dead. It has been a miserable few weeks with
 Frosty Paws and then
 Baby Girl but this has broken my heart. She was doing so
 well. Could it have
 been the LTCI? I have to know whether I'm responsible for
 killing her.
 Please, if anyone knows whether the LTCI could have had
 something to do with
 it, maybe made her more sensitive to being put under,
 please let me know, I
 have to know whether I killed my cat.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-17 Thread Belinda Sauro

Yes it does:

But it was odd this morning when I dropped her off - he said You know, this can stress out 
a cat with leukemia  bring on symptoms. I'm just letting you know so you don't blame me if 
something happens. Well, yeah, we all know you need to keep these cats away from stress. 
How many cats have I had spayed or neutered with FeLV  they've been OK? Does this sound 
suspicious or what?


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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-17 Thread Belinda Sauro
Overdosing with anesthesia could easily be considered an accident.   I'm 
so sorry this happened, whatever the reason it certainly wasn't in any 
way your fault and being human we are raised to respect people in 
authority and wouldn't think a professional would purposely do harm to 
someone in their charge ... but it happens and as unsavory as it may be 
it is entirely possible this vet is a bad egg.  Being in his position of 
power he probably isn't too worried anyone is going to come after him.  
I've read enough horror stories about vets who have taken an oath to do 
no harm to our pets being monsters, it is *rare* but it does happen.  
Just out of curiosity is there any way to find out how many other 
positives he has had in his care have passed if there are any?


It may be entirely that her body just couldn't handle the procedure, the 
stress, anesthesia or some other part of it, but I would absolutely be 
suspicious knowing this vet thinks all FeLV+ cats should be euthanized 
and then saying what he said about things possibly going wrong and then 
my furkid just happens to die.  Sorry, sounds fishy to me.


There probably isn't anything that can be done except never take another 
positive cat to this vet and if it were me, I wouldn't ever take any cat 
to him for anything again.


If something was done you can rest assured it wasn't your fault in any 
way and Bridget is safe and OK where she is and if this vet did do 
something wrong, he will pay whether here or beyond, he will answer for 
all the things he did that were wrong and/or evil.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-17 Thread LauraM
Remember the cat who I had PTS a little over a month ago, Frosty Paws? That cat 
had been neutered by the same vet, who'd wanted to euthanize him  very 
reluctantly did the surgery.



 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-17 Thread Belinda Sauro
Well, if he did another positive and he came through OK, then I 
would say it probably was just something that she physically wasn't able 
to handle ... maybe there was an underlying heart issue or some other 
issue that was unknown.  My sisters cat had something very similar 
happen, she was healthy as far as anyone knew but her cyst ruptured 
during surgery and she went into cardiac arrest and didn't get oxygen 
for too long, she was alive but her brain function was gone.  It killed 
my sister to give the OK for them to let her go, it was her first furkid 
and she was only 6 years old going in for a pretty much routine surgery.


It seems Bridget knew it was her time as was trying to let you know, but 
you are seeing it as guilt in not stopping something that was probably 
suppose to happen the way it did, she must have been done teaching and 
learning what she needed to here and was ready to go back to spirit.


I know it doesn't sound like I believe in these things most of the time, 
I do but I still also fight fiercely for every second of life here which 
makes it very hard to come to terms with death being a continuation of 
life in our other form, quite a war waging in me sometimes.


But please know, your premonition wasn't to make you feel like there was 
something you could do about what was probably meant to be, if she 
hadn't had the surgery and it was her time she would have passed a 
different way, sometimes there isn't anything we can do to stop life 
here from ending ... but it only ends in the physical for us left here 
which makes it seem so final when in reality we go on without 
limitations once we leave these physical bodies.


Bridget doesn't want you to feel anything but the love she still has for 
you and to know she is fine and no longer limited by the restrictions 
our physical lives put on us.  I hope she will visit you in a dream or 
some other way that will make it clear to you it is her and you can get 
comfort from that.


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