Re: [Felvtalk] Brillo and Desmond Are Anemic

2010-03-22 Thread Amy
I would consider trying pred and doxy too.  My cat is nonregenerative (has been 
since at least Sept).  His HCT isn't that low but while trying to find out why 
he was anemic, he did test positive for hemobart.  I had lost a cat to anemia a 
few months before.  He was completely fine and then crashed suddenly (started 
eating litter).  I tried to save him but he went so quickly.  At that time, I 
didn't know to start pred and doxy.  We had done bloodwork every 6 months 
routinely and it never showed on a smear.  My vet thought that was extremely 
unlikely.  I will always wonder if I could have saved Maverick if I had given 
him a transfusion along with pred and doxy but I just didn't know what I know 
now.  I still feel that all happened to teach me something.  I tested every cat 
in the house and all my positives except one tested positive, were treated, 
retested and are all negative now.  They also had routine bloodwork every since 
months and not one had ever
 shown hemobart on a smear.

I know my experience with anemia in kittens born with leukemia hasn't been very 
good but I had kittens early on and didn't know what I know now.  I also always 
wonder if I could have saved any of them if I'd treated for hemobart.

My understanding is that the type of hemobart my cats had is closely linked to 
the progession of leukemia.  I honestly think if we hadn't treated my cats 
hemobart, I would have lost him like every other cat I lost to anemia.  I will 
probably put every positive that ever becomes anemic on both meds now while 
trying to rule out other causes.

Sending positive thoughts for Brillo and Desmond.

Amy

--- On Mon, 3/22/10, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brillo and Desmond Are Anemic
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 12:27 AM
 She originally had Brillo on it for
 the first day 3 weeks ago.  She had him stop because he
 threw it up.  She also told me since it turned out to be
 non reg it wouldn't make a difference...I will call tomorrow
 and double check.  She didn't mention trying it for
 Desmond...I will ask about him tomorrow when I call
 tomorrow.  Thank you.
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 12:12:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brillo and Desmond Are Anemic
 
 Has both of them been put on prenisolone and doxocycline? 
 When my Bailey was anemic he was put on epogen and his
 anemia resolved, his bone marrow aspirate showed the virus
 in his bone marrow but the epogen brought his HCT from a low
 of 15% to 40% in about 6 weeks.  Most vets are scared to
 death to use it so don't be surprised if you get resistance
 ... I am almost afraid and tired of repeating my success
 with it because so many vets seem terrified of the idea of
 using it and I see cat after cat die because of it.  But I
 promised Bailey I would, and in his honor I will continue to
 try to save every furkid I can with his story so I plug on
  if it doesn't work the results are the same, your
 furkid will die, if it does work ...
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Brillo and Desmond Are Anemic

2010-03-22 Thread Belinda Sauro
All kidney issue cats that become anemic are non regenerative and get 
epogen, it saves their lives.  I know he isn't a kidney issues kitty but 
non regenerative is non regenerative!!


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Re: [Felvtalk] Brillo and Desmond Are Anemic

2010-03-22 Thread Belinda Sauro
  Doxy is one of the best drugs for a kitty with possible 
hemobartonella which positive kitties seem very susceptible to.  There 
are other drugs in the tetrocycline family but doxy is the one usually 
used.  There is another one that is used, it starts with an *I*, I can't 
remember the name of it but it is stronger for kitties that don't 
respond to doxy or may have a problem with it.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Brillo and Desmond Are Anemic

2010-03-22 Thread Belinda Sauro
PS.  Doxy tastes bad so you have to make sure they don't get a taste of 
it or they will be impossible to pill.


It took me a while to get the hang of pilling my furkids, Fred was 
really bad and hard to pill, but one day I just stopped thought about 
how I have seen the vet do (always so easy without any problems), and 
pictured in my head how they hold the kitties head with the palm of 
their hand pretty much covering the kitties top of the head and eyes and 
with their thumb and forefinger one at each corner of the kitties mouth 
and with the other hand with the pill between the thumb and forefinger 
use the middle finger to flip the chin down, put the pill way back in 
the mouth and close the mouth and gently blow on their face, they will 
swallow.  Of course all of this is done very quickly.


Once I got that down in my head I have never had any problems pilling 
any cat, mine or anyone else's.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Brillo and Desmond Are Anemic

2010-03-22 Thread Ashley Vanover
My Kong has nonregen anemia and the FeLV has spread to his bone marrow. He
is 3, and was diagnosed about 6 months ago. When I first took him to the
vet, his rbc count was 7%. He had two blood transfusions, which helped
immensely. Depending upon what your finances are like, maybe you could check
into a transfusion?

After that, he was put on pred and interferon (to boost his immune system).
Today his rbc counts are in the normal range for a healthy cat.

Don't give up. I hate when vets act like this particular variety of FeLV is
an automatic death sentence. You've gotten some great ideas from the other
posters who have dealt with this as well. I hope you can find a vet who is
willing to try different things to save your babies.

Good luck,
Ashley
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Re: [Felvtalk] Brillo and Desmond Are Anemic

2010-03-22 Thread Crystal Proper
Right now they are both on the pred steroids.  I called the vet today and she 
said they were both negative for the hemobartonella.  So when she orignally put 
Brillo on doxy for a day it was before she got the negative test result for the 
hemo and had me take him off because of that result and because he was throwing 
it up.



- Original Message 
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Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 11:35:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brillo and Desmond Are Anemic

  Doxy is one of the best drugs for a kitty with possible hemobartonella which 
positive kitties seem very susceptible to.  There are other drugs in the 
tetrocycline family but doxy is the one usually used.  There is another one 
that is used, it starts with an *I*, I can't remember the name of it but it is 
stronger for kitties that don't respond to doxy or may have a problem with it.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Brillo and Desmond Are Anemic

2010-03-22 Thread Belinda Sauro
  The hemobartonella test is very, very hard to get a positive result 
on, it has to be taken at the precise moment the bugs are acting up or 
it will give a negative result. I know more than one cat that was 
positive but tested negative 4 or 5 times before they finally caught 
it.  Those cats that were put on doxy did well, those that weren't some 
died.  I will always put a cat that is anemic for an unknown reason on 
doxy to be on the safe side, especially a positive cat ... just my 
opinion but to me it isn't worth taking the chance of losing my furkid 
to something that is treatable.


How is haemobartonellosis diagnosed?

Sometimes the organism can be seen inside cells on a blood smear. To 
find them, a small drop of blood is spread over a microscope slide, 
stained and examined under the microscope. The number of organisms in 
the bloodstream can fluctuate dramatically. *There can be many observed 
in one sample, and a sample taken two hours later may reveal none.* A 
polymerase chain reaction (PCR) blood test to detect this hemotropic 
mycoplasma is available.


http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+2102aid=293


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Re: [Felvtalk] Brillo and Desmond Are Anemic

2010-03-22 Thread Crystal Proper
When I called they said they tested for the parasites that cause the hemo.  
They didn't tell me the name of the test.  I looked at the paperwork and it 
says they did a Hematocrit (PCV) and Complete Blood Count (CBC).  All of these 
tests and information is new to me because my last vet gave up on my FeLV+ 
kitties in October when they tested positive.  Not sure what all of this means 
for my babies but we go back on Wednesday and I plan on asking about this again.
Thank you do much for your help and info.



- Original Message 
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Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 3:31:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brillo and Desmond Are Anemic

  The hemobartonella test is very, very hard to get a positive result on, it 
has to be taken at the precise moment the bugs are acting up or it will give a 
negative result. I know more than one cat that was positive but tested negative 
4 or 5 times before they finally caught it.  Those cats that were put on doxy 
did well, those that weren't some died.  I will always put a cat that is anemic 
for an unknown reason on doxy to be on the safe side, especially a positive cat 
... just my opinion but to me it isn't worth taking the chance of losing my 
furkid to something that is treatable.

How is haemobartonellosis diagnosed?

Sometimes the organism can be seen inside cells on a blood smear. To find them, 
a small drop of blood is spread over a microscope slide, stained and examined 
under the microscope. The number of organisms in the bloodstream can fluctuate 
dramatically. *There can be many observed in one sample, and a sample taken two 
hours later may reveal none.* A polymerase chain reaction (PCR) blood test to 
detect this hemotropic mycoplasma is available.

http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+2102aid=293


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[Felvtalk] Brillo and Desmond Are Anemic

2010-03-21 Thread Crystal Proper
Hi everyone...haven't posted on her since I lost Nibbler in November...his 
brothers Brillo and Desmond are now both anemic.  My boys are both about 8 
months now and were born with FeLV.  3 weeks ago I noticed Brillo eating his 
litter and I checked his gums and they were pale.  Took him to the vet and his 
rbc count was down to 12%.  She started him on steroids and the following week 
it jumped upto 18%.  I had hope.  Last week his count fell down to 9% and she 
said he only had a week or two left to live.  Its non regenerative anemia and 
she said the FeLV has spread to his bone marrow.  He was doing so well and then 
it came out of nowhere.  She's having me take him in on Wednesday to see if its 
time...I am heartbroken.  He has been losing about 4 ounces of weight a week 
because he lost his appetite even though she started him on meds a week and a 
half ago to increase his appetite but they don't seem to be working.  He still 
purrs everytime
 hes touched and jumps onto the window perch and onto our king bed to sleep on 
my lap.  On top of all this, I noticed his brother Desmond licking the window 
last week and I checked his gums and they were a little pale.  I took him to 
the vet and his rbc was only 12%.  His bloodwork came back and his anemia is 
regenerative (the opposite of Brillo) plus he has a good appetite and weighs 
about 2 1/2 lbs more then Brillo.  She also started him on steroids.  I take 
him in on Wednesday to have his rbc rechecked.
I am so afraid she is going to tell me my baby Brillo needs pts.  When she told 
me he only had 1-2 weeks left my heart fell to my stomach...I'm still not over 
his twin Nibbler's passing...I have never bonded with any other pets like I 
have with my FeLV+ kitties Nibbler, Brillo and Desmond.


  


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Re: [Felvtalk] Brillo and Desmond Are Anemic

2010-03-21 Thread Belinda Sauro
Has both of them been put on prenisolone and doxocycline?  When my 
Bailey was anemic he was put on epogen and his anemia resolved, his bone 
marrow aspirate showed the virus in his bone marrow but the epogen 
brought his HCT from a low of 15% to 40% in about 6 weeks.  Most vets 
are scared to death to use it so don't be surprised if you get 
resistance ... I am almost afraid and tired of repeating my success with 
it because so many vets seem terrified of the idea of using it and I see 
cat after cat die because of it.  But I promised Bailey I would, and in 
his honor I will continue to try to save every furkid I can with his 
story so I plug on  if it doesn't work the results are the same, 
your furkid will die, if it does work ...


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Re: [Felvtalk] Brillo and Desmond Are Anemic

2010-03-21 Thread Crystal Proper
She originally had Brillo on it for the first day 3 weeks ago.  She had him 
stop because he threw it up.  She also told me since it turned out to be non 
reg it wouldn't make a difference...I will call tomorrow and double check.  She 
didn't mention trying it for Desmond...I will ask about him tomorrow when I 
call tomorrow.  Thank you.



- Original Message 
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Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 12:12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brillo and Desmond Are Anemic

Has both of them been put on prenisolone and doxocycline?  When my Bailey was 
anemic he was put on epogen and his anemia resolved, his bone marrow aspirate 
showed the virus in his bone marrow but the epogen brought his HCT from a low 
of 15% to 40% in about 6 weeks.  Most vets are scared to death to use it so 
don't be surprised if you get resistance ... I am almost afraid and tired of 
repeating my success with it because so many vets seem terrified of the idea of 
using it and I see cat after cat die because of it.  But I promised Bailey I 
would, and in his honor I will continue to try to save every furkid I can with 
his story so I plug on  if it doesn't work the results are the same, your 
furkid will die, if it does work ...

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