Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
re: eating litter. why do cats do that? what were the pills tey gave Lucy? Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: Me, too about the cat litter. That could explain the vomiting. If he is vomiting and not having stools, it can mean the kitty is blocked and needs to be seen asap. They had my Lucy swallow some pills and then xrayed her stomach each couple hours to make sure they moved into the intestines. They did. I have never heard of using tums with cats. I know that I got kidney stones from eating tums and taking a calcium pill at bed time (without food). Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing I would be real concerned with clumping litter if he ate any, you know what it does when it gets wet. Does the vet know about that? I have heard that cats shouldn't get tums, will see if I can find the palce I read it. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
sounds like you have my vet. Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Belinda, Thanks for writing. I totally understand how you feel and just wanted to respond. My vet has worked with my leuk positives for several years now and is amazing. I've spent years working at different veterinary offices and I do know how lousy some of them are. I also know how cold and heartless some of them can be when it comes to caring for our babies. Lucky for me, that is not my vet. She takes amazing care of our kitties and I have all the confidence in the world in her. They don't push me to do things just to make money but they also will stop at nothing to help my kitties when they need to. I have spent so many thousands of dollars trying to help these guys. We've done chemo, we've done ultrasounds, steroids, antibiotics, fluids, etc., the list goes on and on. I have always tried to save my babies in the past, sparing no expense and doing everything possible. The problem is, in my experience, I always lose them to the leukemia eventually. Then sometimes I feel bad that I put them through those last couple weeks or days and wonder if they suffered. It's a personal decision and one everybody must make but Maverick was miserable and for us we just knew when we found him sleeping in the bathtub and not wanting to be bothered anymore. I am listening to everything you have said and I will ask my vet about these things because more knowledge is always a wonderful thing. She always goes and does research on anything unusual we come across and I always do the same. She spends hours with my cats and hours on the phone with me. With this cat, things came on very quickly. I'm still left with unanswered questions because I wasn't expecting this and I didn't see it coming. However, I do know there weren't any signs of liver failure two days ago when we saw the bloodwork, both chem panel and CBC. As far as food goes, she told me he needed to eat. She gave me tons of ideas for trying to get him to eat and I asked about force feeding. He couldn't keep anything I gave him down. He just kept throwing it up. My only other choice would have been to hospitalize him and try bringing him back but he's just not that type of cat. Way too much attitude, spirit, and personality to handle that. Hard to explain but totally not an option for this guy. I'll always wonder if I did everything I could for him but I have to trust that I did. These cats mean the world to me and this one was actually rescued by my vet. He started coming around her barn and she brought him in to neuter him. He tested positive and she called me. We've all been very attached to him ever since so she had as much interest in saving him as I did :( Thanks again for all the info and I will make it a point to read and learn even more about this disease. I owe it to Maverick and I just hope I didn't let him down or fail him in any way. Amy Amy, I don't think your vet is very good, yellow is a sure sign of liver failure and it doesn't happen overnight. Blood tests should have shown there was a problem and if your vet didn't mention it I'd run to find another vet. If Maverick wasn't eating well he probably developed hepatic lipidosis, or fatty liver disease, this can happen after only a day or two of an cat not eating enough. Even if a cat is eating but very little this can happen, this is curable by syringe feeding or a feeding tube, in other words food is the cure, no cat should die from this. Too many vets don't pay attention when we tell them our cats aren't eating very much or at all, this should be a huge red flag to any vet to investigate further but so few do. I am writing this email because too few people understand just how deadly it is for a cat to go without food, it can kill them quickly. That on top of the anemia was just too much for Maverick's compromised body to deal with. Any vet who doesn't make a point of letting a client know they need to get food into a cat that isn't eating enough isn't worth anything in my book. Please, please people, if your cat is not eating, syringe feed, spoon feed, put food on your finger and put it in their mouths, get a feeding tube put in ... fatty liver disease is almost always curable even when a cat looks like it is on deaths door, food, enough food will almost always bring the cat back Many people think when a cat is sick and stops eating it is letting you know it is ready to die, this is not always the case, think about it, when you are feeling very sick do you feel like eating, I know I don't. And with a cat, they feel sick, they don't eat, they don't eat, they get weaker and feel sicker, they feel sicker, of course they aren't going to eat. This cycle is going to obviously kill the cat if there is no
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
I'm so sorry for your loss. :( tonya --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 12:09 PM His name is Maverick. He woke up this morning with a yellow color and has let us know he's had enough. We just returned from the vet and he had a peaceful passing. Amy --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:45 AM Poor guy. What is his name? Please keep us posted. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing Yeah, the vet does know about it. He threw it up and she said that means it was recently ingested. She said we can look at his belly today if we want but she said she felt while we were there and his belly felt fine. I read, and so did she, that one of the main reasons cats eat litter is because of anemia and we already know that's going on. I've lost the majority of my leuk positives over the years the same way. Either anemisa or tumors. We do full blood workups every 6 months to try to keep an eye on anemia but I've never been able to bring one back yet once the hematocrit starts dropping quickly. I expected him to live longer because I've lost most of my guys with hematocrits between 7-13 and his is 23. This guy is fading, though, and I think he's probably had enough. I'm just trying to decide if I want to do bloodwork and radiographs or if I want to just let him go peacefully without disturbing him any further. I have no doubt that the leukemia has just taken it's toll on him :( He also has Bartonella and despite numerous treatments, has not been able to shake it. We couldn't figure it out because any other cats I've treated have responded quite well. This guy's numbers actually got worse after treatment so I'm thinking his body just doesn't have the means to cope with fighting it off. Amy I would be real concerned with clumping litter if he ate any, you know what it does when it gets wet. Does the vet know about that? I have heard that cats shouldn't get tums, will see if I can find the palce I read it. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
Yeah, the vet does know about it. He threw it up and she said that means it was recently ingested. She said we can look at his belly today if we want but she said she felt while we were there and his belly felt fine. I read, and so did she, that one of the main reasons cats eat litter is because of anemia and we already know that's going on. I've lost the majority of my leuk positives over the years the same way. Either anemisa or tumors. We do full blood workups every 6 months to try to keep an eye on anemia but I've never been able to bring one back yet once the hematocrit starts dropping quickly. I expected him to live longer because I've lost most of my guys with hematocrits between 7-13 and his is 23. This guy is fading, though, and I think he's probably had enough. I'm just trying to decide if I want to do bloodwork and radiographs or if I want to just let him go peacefully without disturbing him any further. I have no doubt that the leukemia has just taken it's toll on him :( He also has Bartonella and despite numerous treatments, has not been able to shake it. We couldn't figure it out because any other cats I've treated have responded quite well. This guy's numbers actually got worse after treatment so I'm thinking his body just doesn't have the means to cope with fighting it off. Amy I would be real concerned with clumping litter if he ate any, you know what it does when it gets wet. Does the vet know about that? I have heard that cats shouldn't get tums, will see if I can find the palce I read it. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
Poor guy. What is his name? Please keep us posted. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing Yeah, the vet does know about it. He threw it up and she said that means it was recently ingested. She said we can look at his belly today if we want but she said she felt while we were there and his belly felt fine. I read, and so did she, that one of the main reasons cats eat litter is because of anemia and we already know that's going on. I've lost the majority of my leuk positives over the years the same way. Either anemisa or tumors. We do full blood workups every 6 months to try to keep an eye on anemia but I've never been able to bring one back yet once the hematocrit starts dropping quickly. I expected him to live longer because I've lost most of my guys with hematocrits between 7-13 and his is 23. This guy is fading, though, and I think he's probably had enough. I'm just trying to decide if I want to do bloodwork and radiographs or if I want to just let him go peacefully without disturbing him any further. I have no doubt that the leukemia has just taken it's toll on him :( He also has Bartonella and despite numerous treatments, has not been able to shake it. We couldn't figure it out because any other cats I've treated have responded quite well. This guy's numbers actually got worse after treatment so I'm thinking his body just doesn't have the means to cope with fighting it off. Amy I would be real concerned with clumping litter if he ate any, you know what it does when it gets wet. Does the vet know about that? I have heard that cats shouldn't get tums, will see if I can find the palce I read it. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
Bailey had bartonella and he was on Zithromax for 6 weeks before it got better. Has your kitty been on doxocycline in case he has hemobartonella? Tests for this almost always come up with false negatives, sometimes cats have to be test 4 or 5 times or more to get an accurate test result. The doxy won't hurt him if he is really negative but may well save his life if he is testing false negative and really has it. I personally will put ANY positive kitty on it no matter what the test says to be on the safe side. Hemobartonella is a very common thing that positives get, it causes anemia and if left untreated WILL kill the kitty. Their anemia will just keep getting worse and worse until they die. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
His name is Maverick. He woke up this morning with a yellow color and has let us know he's had enough. We just returned from the vet and he had a peaceful passing. Amy --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:45 AM Poor guy. What is his name? Please keep us posted. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing Yeah, the vet does know about it. He threw it up and she said that means it was recently ingested. She said we can look at his belly today if we want but she said she felt while we were there and his belly felt fine. I read, and so did she, that one of the main reasons cats eat litter is because of anemia and we already know that's going on. I've lost the majority of my leuk positives over the years the same way. Either anemisa or tumors. We do full blood workups every 6 months to try to keep an eye on anemia but I've never been able to bring one back yet once the hematocrit starts dropping quickly. I expected him to live longer because I've lost most of my guys with hematocrits between 7-13 and his is 23. This guy is fading, though, and I think he's probably had enough. I'm just trying to decide if I want to do bloodwork and radiographs or if I want to just let him go peacefully without disturbing him any further. I have no doubt that the leukemia has just taken it's toll on him :( He also has Bartonella and despite numerous treatments, has not been able to shake it. We couldn't figure it out because any other cats I've treated have responded quite well. This guy's numbers actually got worse after treatment so I'm thinking his body just doesn't have the means to cope with fighting it off. Amy I would be real concerned with clumping litter if he ate any, you know what it does when it gets wet. Does the vet know about that? I have heard that cats shouldn't get tums, will see if I can find the palce I read it. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
Bartonella and hemobartonella are 2 different things, are you sure he
has bartonella and not hemobartonella?
Here are some good reads on Bartonella:
http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_bartonella.html
http://www.natvetlab.com/PDF/catownerbrochure.pdf
http://cats.about.com/cs/healthissues/a/urihelp.htm
http://www.manhattancats.com/Articles/truth_about_bartonella.htm
http://www.manhattancats.com/Articles/truth_about_bartonella.htm
I just read some of these and Baileys symptoms were lethargy,
inappetence and on occasion fever. I don't see anemia on any of the
pages I read, I didn't read all of them all the way through though.
Here are some resources on Hemobartonella:
http://ww.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=1+1316aid=292
Here is a little blurb from that page, sounds like what is going on with
your little guy:
In the cat, the disease can run the spectrum from being very mild,
with no symptoms or only a slight anemia
javascript:popupWin1('/dictionary_term.cfm?term=anemia', 50, 50, 350,
300), to a disease that is very severe. Signs often include
depression, loss of appetite, and dehydration. If severe, the
pronounced anemia could result in weight loss, pale mucous membranes,
weakness, fast heart and respiratory rates, jaundice
javascript:popupWin1('/dictionary_term.cfm?term=jaundice', 50, 50,
350, 300), and death. Some owners report their cats start eating
litter or dirt. Cats who are infected with Feline Leukemia Virus
(FeLV)
http://ww.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cls=1cat=1316articleid=211
are more likely to have severe disease. Without therapy, some cats
with haemobartonellosis die from the severe anemia.
Another blurb about hos hard it is to detect and why it is missed many,
many times even when a cat does have it:
Sometimes the organism can be seen inside cells on a blood smear. To
find them, a small drop of blood is spread over a microscope slide,
stained and examined under the microscope. *The number of organisms in
the bloodstream can fluctuate dramatically. There can be many observed
in one sample, and a sample taken two hours later may reveal none.* A
polyermase chain reaction (PCR) blood test to detect these hemotropic
mycoplasmas in cats is available.
http://www.geocities.com/pvis1960/hemobartonella.html
http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=WSAVA2004PID=8682O=Generic
http://www.cat-world.com.au/FelineInfectiousAnaemia.htm
These should help figure out what is going on with your kitty. Please
think about asking your vet about putting kitty on doxy. It may just
save your babies life and if you do put kitty on doxy make sure it is
for a minimum of 4 to 6 weeks and it may take even longer, it can be
very stubborn to get rid of.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
Bailey had bartonella and he was on Zithromax for 6 weeks before it got better. Has your kitty been on doxocycline in case he has hemobartonella? Tests for this almost always come up with false negatives, sometimes cats have to be test 4 or 5 times or more to get an accurate test result. The doxy won't hurt him if he is really negative but may well save his life if he is testing false negative and really has it. I'm not sure if he was tested for hemobartonella or not. I'll have to do some research on that. Too late now for him but I'll definitely look into that since I have numerous leuk positives and would like to know more. I personally will put ANY positive kitty on it no matter what the test says to be on the safe side. Hemobartonella is a very common thing that positives get, it causes anemia and if left untreated WILL kill the kitty. Their anemia will just keep getting worse and worse until they die. Thanks for letting me know this. I'll definitely look into this more. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
oh, amy, i'm sorry to hear this--but i'm so glad that you loved him enough to give him the best possible life, and to honor his need to travel on. run and play and enjoy yourself, maverick--there are lots of FeLV-no-more friends to greet you. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
Hi Belinda, I just talked to my vet and she said that they looked at Maverick's blood smear when he was there 2 days ago and there was no sign of hemobart. I guess they check it everytime he has bloodwork so he's been tested about 10-12 times. I'm sure those could all be false positives but I feel better knowing they checked again. I would have felt really awful if I thought I could have done something to save him and didn't. Amy --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com wrote: From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 11:57 AM Bailey had bartonella and he was on Zithromax for 6 weeks before it got better. Has your kitty been on doxocycline in case he has hemobartonella? Tests for this almost always come up with false negatives, sometimes cats have to be test 4 or 5 times or more to get an accurate test result. The doxy won't hurt him if he is really negative but may well save his life if he is testing false negative and really has it. I personally will put ANY positive kitty on it no matter what the test says to be on the safe side. Hemobartonella is a very common thing that positives get, it causes anemia and if left untreated WILL kill the kitty. Their anemia will just keep getting worse and worse until they die. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
Amy, I don't think your vet is very good, yellow is a sure sign of liver failure and it doesn't happen overnight. Blood tests should have shown there was a problem and if your vet didn't mention it I'd run to find another vet. If Maverick wasn't eating well he probably developed hepatic lipidosis, or fatty liver disease, this can happen after only a day or two of an cat not eating enough. Even if a cat is eating but very little this can happen, this is curable by syringe feeding or a feeding tube, in other words food is the cure, no cat should die from this. Too many vets don't pay attention when we tell them our cats aren't eating very much or at all, this should be a huge red flag to any vet to investigate further but so few do. I am writing this email because too few people understand just how deadly it is for a cat to go without food, it can kill them quickly. That on top of the anemia was just too much for Maverick's compromised body to deal with. Any vet who doesn't make a point of letting a client know they need to get food into a cat that isn't eating enough isn't worth anything in my book. Please, please people, if your cat is not eating, syringe feed, spoon feed, put food on your finger and put it in their mouths, get a feeding tube put in ... fatty liver disease is almost always curable even when a cat looks like it is on deaths door, food, enough food will almost always bring the cat back Many people think when a cat is sick and stops eating it is letting you know it is ready to die, this is not always the case, think about it, when you are feeling very sick do you feel like eating, I know I don't. And with a cat, they feel sick, they don't eat, they don't eat, they get weaker and feel sicker, they feel sicker, of course they aren't going to eat. This cycle is going to obviously kill the cat if there is no intervention. I will never understand why this is so hard to fathom. All that said this is my own personal opinion and up front I am one of those people who will go to extreme measures to try and save my furkids, in some peoples minds maybe too far, but that is how I am and would want the same for myself ... I have seen enough miracles happen when I have been told my furkids aren't going to make it and I wouldn't give up and they lived years longer ... that is why I have to keep trying. I know not everyone is of the same mind and that is fine because we all have our beliefs but when I see animals miss a chance because of a vet that isn't very knowledgeable about something it just kills me. I sorry for your loss Amy, Maverick is in a better place now. Take care ... PS. I'm mad at the lack of care Maverick received from the professionals not at anything you did, just wanted to make that clear. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
Amy, I'm so sorry you lost Maverick, but I'm glad his crossing was peaceful. Gentlest of Bridge vibes to him, and hugs to you. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing His name is Maverick. He woke up this morning with a yellow color and has let us know he's had enough. We just returned from the vet and he had a peaceful passing. Amy --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:45 AM Poor guy. What is his name? Please keep us posted. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing Yeah, the vet does know about it. He threw it up and she said that means it was recently ingested. She said we can look at his belly today if we want but she said she felt while we were there and his belly felt fine. I read, and so did she, that one of the main reasons cats eat litter is because of anemia and we already know that's going on. I've lost the majority of my leuk positives over the years the same way. Either anemisa or tumors. We do full blood workups every 6 months to try to keep an eye on anemia but I've never been able to bring one back yet once the hematocrit starts dropping quickly. I expected him to live longer because I've lost most of my guys with hematocrits between 7-13 and his is 23. This guy is fading, though, and I think he's probably had enough. I'm just trying to decide if I want to do bloodwork and radiographs or if I want to just let him go peacefully without disturbing him any further. I have no doubt that the leukemia has just taken it's toll on him :( He also has Bartonella and despite numerous treatments, has not been able to shake it. We couldn't figure it out because any other cats I've treated have responded quite well. This guy's numbers actually got worse after treatment so I'm thinking his body just doesn't have the means to cope with fighting it off. Amy I would be real concerned with clumping litter if he ate any, you know what it does when it gets wet. Does the vet know about that? I have heard that cats shouldn't get tums, will see if I can find the palce I read it. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
-Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing His name is Maverick. He woke up this morning with a yellow color and has let us know he's had enough. We just returned from the vet and he had a peaceful passing. Amy --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:45 AM Poor guy. What is his name? Please keep us posted. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing Yeah, the vet does know about it. He threw it up and she said that means it was recently ingested. She said we can look at his belly today if we want but she said she felt while we were there and his belly felt fine. I read, and so did she, that one of the main reasons cats eat litter is because of anemia and we already know that's going on. I've lost the majority of my leuk positives over the years the same way. Either anemisa or tumors. We do full blood workups every 6 months to try to keep an eye on anemia but I've never been able to bring one back yet once the hematocrit starts dropping quickly. I expected him to live longer because I've lost most of my guys with hematocrits between 7-13 and his is 23. This guy is fading, though, and I think he's probably had enough. I'm just trying to decide if I want to do bloodwork and radiographs or if I want to just let him go peacefully without disturbing him any further. I have no doubt that the leukemia has just taken it's toll on him :( He also has Bartonella and despite numerous treatments, has not been able to shake it. We couldn't figure it out because any other cats I've treated have responded quite well. This guy's numbers actually got worse after treatment so I'm thinking his body just doesn't have the means to cope with fighting it off. Amy I would be real concerned with clumping litter if he ate any, you know what it does when it gets wet. Does the vet know about that? I have heard that cats shouldn't get tums, will see if I can find the palce I read it. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
Amy, I am so sorryI have stayed on the sidelines during this because I knew others were far more knowledgeable...Godspeed, little Maverickyou were loved, and touched many lives. Debbie (COL) Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle Philo Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 09:09:08 -0700 From: awilkin...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing His name is Maverick. He woke up this morning with a yellow color and has let us know he's had enough. We just returned from the vet and he had a peaceful passing. Amy --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:45 AM Poor guy. What is his name? Please keep us posted. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing Yeah, the vet does know about it. He threw it up and she said that means it was recently ingested. She said we can look at his belly today if we want but she said she felt while we were there and his belly felt fine. I read, and so did she, that one of the main reasons cats eat litter is because of anemia and we already know that's going on. I've lost the majority of my leuk positives over the years the same way. Either anemisa or tumors. We do full blood workups every 6 months to try to keep an eye on anemia but I've never been able to bring one back yet once the hematocrit starts dropping quickly. I expected him to live longer because I've lost most of my guys with hematocrits between 7-13 and his is 23. This guy is fading, though, and I think he's probably had enough. I'm just trying to decide if I want to do bloodwork and radiographs or if I want to just let him go peacefully without disturbing him any further. I have no doubt that the leukemia has just taken it's toll on him :( He also has Bartonella and despite numerous treatments, has not been able to shake it. We couldn't figure it out because any other cats I've treated have responded quite well. This guy's numbers actually got worse after treatment so I'm thinking his body just doesn't have the means to cope with fighting it off. Amy I would be real concerned with clumping litter if he ate any, you know what it does when it gets wet. Does the vet know about that? I have heard that cats shouldn't get tums, will see if I can find the palce I read it. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ More than messages–check out the rest of the Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
Thanks for letting us know. God speed little Maverick. May you find butterflies who need chasing and a cloud for a nap. Amy, thank-you for loving him and caring for him. At least he knew love and plentiful food and a roof over his head. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing His name is Maverick. He woke up this morning with a yellow color and has let us know he's had enough. We just returned from the vet and he had a peaceful passing. Amy --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:45 AM Poor guy. What is his name? Please keep us posted. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing Yeah, the vet does know about it. He threw it up and she said that means it was recently ingested. She said we can look at his belly today if we want but she said she felt while we were there and his belly felt fine. I read, and so did she, that one of the main reasons cats eat litter is because of anemia and we already know that's going on. I've lost the majority of my leuk positives over the years the same way. Either anemisa or tumors. We do full blood workups every 6 months to try to keep an eye on anemia but I've never been able to bring one back yet once the hematocrit starts dropping quickly. I expected him to live longer because I've lost most of my guys with hematocrits between 7-13 and his is 23. This guy is fading, though, and I think he's probably had enough. I'm just trying to decide if I want to do bloodwork and radiographs or if I want to just let him go peacefully without disturbing him any further. I have no doubt that the leukemia has just taken it's toll on him :( He also has Bartonella and despite numerous treatments, has not been able to shake it. We couldn't figure it out because any other cats I've treated have responded quite well. This guy's numbers actually got worse after treatment so I'm thinking his body just doesn't have the means to cope with fighting it off. Amy I would be real concerned with clumping litter if he ate any, you know what it does when it gets wet. Does the vet know about that? I have heard that cats shouldn't get tums, will see if I can find the palce I read it. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Amy, lighting a candle for a peaceful passage for Maverick. We love them. care for them and in the end let them go. Sharyl --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 1:27 PM -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing His name is Maverick. He woke up this morning with a yellow color and has let us know he's had enough. We just returned from the vet and he had a peaceful passing. Amy --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:45 AM Poor guy. What is his name? Please keep us posted. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing Yeah, the vet does know about it. He threw it up and she said that means it was recently ingested. She said we can look at his belly today if we want but she said she felt while we were there and his belly felt fine. I read, and so did she, that one of the main reasons cats eat litter is because of anemia and we already know that's going on. I've lost the majority of my leuk positives over the years the same way. Either anemisa or tumors. We do full blood workups every 6 months to try to keep an eye on anemia but I've never been able to bring one back yet once the hematocrit starts dropping quickly. I expected him to live longer because I've lost most of my guys with hematocrits between 7-13 and his is 23. This guy is fading, though, and I think he's probably had enough. I'm just trying to decide if I want to do bloodwork and radiographs or if I want to just let him go peacefully without disturbing him any further. I have no doubt that the leukemia has just taken it's toll on him :( He also has Bartonella and despite numerous treatments, has not been able to shake it. We couldn't figure it out because any other cats I've treated have responded quite well. This guy's numbers actually got worse after treatment so I'm thinking his body just doesn't have the means to cope with fighting it off. Amy I would be real concerned with clumping litter if he ate any, you know what it does when it gets wet. Does the vet know about that? I have heard that cats shouldn't get tums, will see if I can find the palce I read it. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Belinda, Thanks for writing. I totally understand how you feel and just wanted to respond. My vet has worked with my leuk positives for several years now and is amazing. I've spent years working at different veterinary offices and I do know how lousy some of them are. I also know how cold and heartless some of them can be when it comes to caring for our babies. Lucky for me, that is not my vet. She takes amazing care of our kitties and I have all the confidence in the world in her. They don't push me to do things just to make money but they also will stop at nothing to help my kitties when they need to. I have spent so many thousands of dollars trying to help these guys. We've done chemo, we've done ultrasounds, steroids, antibiotics, fluids, etc., the list goes on and on. I have always tried to save my babies in the past, sparing no expense and doing everything possible. The problem is, in my experience, I always lose them to the leukemia eventually. Then sometimes I feel bad that I put them through those last couple weeks or days and wonder if they suffered. It's a personal decision and one everybody must make but Maverick was miserable and for us we just knew when we found him sleeping in the bathtub and not wanting to be bothered anymore. I am listening to everything you have said and I will ask my vet about these things because more knowledge is always a wonderful thing. She always goes and does research on anything unusual we come across and I always do the same. She spends hours with my cats and hours on the phone with me. With this cat, things came on very quickly. I'm still left with unanswered questions because I wasn't expecting this and I didn't see it coming. However, I do know there weren't any signs of liver failure two days ago when we saw the bloodwork, both chem panel and CBC. As far as food goes, she told me he needed to eat. She gave me tons of ideas for trying to get him to eat and I asked about force feeding. He couldn't keep anything I gave him down. He just kept throwing it up. My only other choice would have been to hospitalize him and try bringing him back but he's just not that type of cat. Way too much attitude, spirit, and personality to handle that. Hard to explain but totally not an option for this guy. I'll always wonder if I did everything I could for him but I have to trust that I did. These cats mean the world to me and this one was actually rescued by my vet. He started coming around her barn and she brought him in to neuter him. He tested positive and she called me. We've all been very attached to him ever since so she had as much interest in saving him as I did :( Thanks again for all the info and I will make it a point to read and learn even more about this disease. I owe it to Maverick and I just hope I didn't let him down or fail him in any way. Amy Amy, I don't think your vet is very good, yellow is a sure sign of liver failure and it doesn't happen overnight. Blood tests should have shown there was a problem and if your vet didn't mention it I'd run to find another vet. If Maverick wasn't eating well he probably developed hepatic lipidosis, or fatty liver disease, this can happen after only a day or two of an cat not eating enough. Even if a cat is eating but very little this can happen, this is curable by syringe feeding or a feeding tube, in other words food is the cure, no cat should die from this. Too many vets don't pay attention when we tell them our cats aren't eating very much or at all, this should be a huge red flag to any vet to investigate further but so few do. I am writing this email because too few people understand just how deadly it is for a cat to go without food, it can kill them quickly. That on top of the anemia was just too much for Maverick's compromised body to deal with. Any vet who doesn't make a point of letting a client know they need to get food into a cat that isn't eating enough isn't worth anything in my book. Please, please people, if your cat is not eating, syringe feed, spoon feed, put food on your finger and put it in their mouths, get a feeding tube put in ... fatty liver disease is almost always curable even when a cat looks like it is on deaths door, food, enough food will almost always bring the cat back Many people think when a cat is sick and stops eating it is letting you know it is ready to die, this is not always the case, think about it, when you are feeling very sick do you feel like eating, I know I don't. And with a cat, they feel sick, they don't eat, they don't eat, they get weaker and feel sicker, they feel sicker, of course they aren't going to eat. This cycle is going to obviously kill the cat if there is no intervention. I will never understand why this is so hard to fathom. All that said this is my own personal opinion and up front I am one of those people who
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
All, Thank you to everybody that has responded. This passing has been extremely sad for us. They all are. No matter how many times I see this disease take one away, it never gets any easier. This guy came to me so sick. He was full of worms and stuff bursting out from under his eyes. I honestly didn't think he'd make it a year. He totally thrived and proved me wrong and he was such a character, such a presence. We miss him deeply already and the house is not the same. It is just empty in a way I can't express. It helps to hear from all of you that can understand because you've been there. Amy Amy, lighting a candle for a peaceful passage for Maverick. We love them. care for them and in the end let them go. Sharyl --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 1:27 PM -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing His name is Maverick. He woke up this morning with a yellow color and has let us know he's had enough. We just returned from the vet and he had a peaceful passing. Amy --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:45 AM Poor guy. What is his name? Please keep us posted. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing Yeah, the vet does know about it. He threw it up and she said that means it was recently ingested. She said we can look at his belly today if we want but she said she felt while we were there and his belly felt fine. I read, and so did she, that one of the main reasons cats eat litter is because of anemia and we already know that's going on. I've lost the majority of my leuk positives over the years the same way. Either anemisa or tumors. We do full blood workups every 6 months to try to keep an eye on anemia but I've never been able to bring one back yet once the hematocrit starts dropping quickly. I expected him to live longer because I've lost most of my guys with hematocrits between 7-13 and his is 23. This guy is fading, though, and I think he's probably had enough. I'm just trying to decide if I want to do bloodwork and radiographs or if I want to just let him go peacefully without disturbing him any further. I have no doubt that the leukemia has just taken it's toll on him :( He also has Bartonella and despite numerous treatments, has not been able to shake it. We couldn't figure it out because any other cats I've treated have responded quite well. This guy's numbers actually got worse after treatment so I'm thinking his body just doesn't have the means to cope with fighting it off. Amy I would be real concerned with clumping litter if he ate any, you know what it does when it gets wet. Does the vet know about that? I have heard that cats shouldn't get tums, will see if I can find the palce I read it. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http
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Amy, what color was Maverick? I picture him as black and white...and want to get the right picture of him in my mind. He is lucky to have had you. Your vet sounds wonderful! How long did you have Maverick? Take care and let your other kitties comfort you. Btw - a note of hope- I had one FeLV cat (Squeaky) live to 22 and another (Stripes) live to 16. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 3:07 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing All, Thank you to everybody that has responded. This passing has been extremely sad for us. They all are. No matter how many times I see this disease take one away, it never gets any easier. This guy came to me so sick. He was full of worms and stuff bursting out from under his eyes. I honestly didn't think he'd make it a year. He totally thrived and proved me wrong and he was such a character, such a presence. We miss him deeply already and the house is not the same. It is just empty in a way I can't express. It helps to hear from all of you that can understand because you've been there. Amy Amy, lighting a candle for a peaceful passage for Maverick. We love them. care for them and in the end let them go. Sharyl --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 1:27 PM -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing His name is Maverick. He woke up this morning with a yellow color and has let us know he's had enough. We just returned from the vet and he had a peaceful passing. Amy --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:45 AM Poor guy. What is his name? Please keep us posted. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing Yeah, the vet does know about it. He threw it up and she said that means it was recently ingested. She said we can look at his belly today if we want but she said she felt while we were there and his belly felt fine. I read, and so did she, that one of the main reasons cats eat litter is because of anemia and we already know that's going on. I've lost the majority of my leuk positives over the years the same way. Either anemisa or tumors. We do full blood workups every 6 months to try to keep an eye on anemia but I've never been able to bring one back yet once the hematocrit starts dropping quickly. I expected him to live longer because I've lost most of my guys with hematocrits between 7-13 and his is 23. This guy is fading, though, and I think he's probably had enough. I'm just trying to decide if I want to do bloodwork and radiographs or if I want to just let him go peacefully without disturbing him any further. I have no doubt that the leukemia has just taken it's toll on him :( He also has Bartonella and despite numerous treatments, has not been able to shake it. We couldn't figure it out because any other cats I've treated have responded quite well. This guy's numbers actually got worse after treatment so I'm thinking his body just doesn't have the means to cope with fighting it off. Amy I would be real concerned with clumping litter if he ate any, you know what it does when it gets wet. Does the vet know about that? I have heard that cats shouldn't get tums, will see if I can find the palce I read it. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http
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He was white with a few orange spots and an orange tail. When we got him, he was so run down. Within no time at all, I thought he was the coolest looking cat I ever saw. He was all personality. He's the one that would stick his paws out from under the chair or couch to get me as I walked by. He loved life and would sit in the windows and make all sorts of crazy noises at my birds and squirrels, ones I've never heard a cat make. He was really one of a kind. I'll never forget how much he touched our lives. I got him the minute I returned home from my honeymoon in August of 05. I took one cat (possibly his sister or relative) with FIV right before we left and when I got home from my honeymoon, there was a message that he was waiting to see if I would give him a home. My husband let me make a special allowance for him (I had promised to keep my number to five since we spend so much money on them) and take him as my 6th cat for an early birthday present. I've rescued several leuk positive and for us the ones that got it as kittens never seemed to do as well in the long run. I have 5 (til today) and this is the longest stretch we've ever had without losing one. We were hoping maybe all these cats got leukemia as adults and would be around for a long time. Maverick was way too young, probably only 4 or 5 years old :( Thanks for thinking about us. Amy Amy, what color was Maverick? I picture him as black and white...and want to get the right picture of him in my mind. He is lucky to have had you. Your vet sounds wonderful! How long did you have Maverick? Take care and let your other kitties comfort you. Btw - a note of hope- I had one FeLV cat (Squeaky) live to 22 and another (Stripes) live to 16. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 3:07 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing All, Thank you to everybody that has responded. This passing has been extremely sad for us. They all are. No matter how many times I see this disease take one away, it never gets any easier. This guy came to me so sick. He was full of worms and stuff bursting out from under his eyes. I honestly didn't think he'd make it a year. He totally thrived and proved me wrong and he was such a character, such a presence. We miss him deeply already and the house is not the same. It is just empty in a way I can't express. It helps to hear from all of you that can understand because you've been there. Amy Amy, lighting a candle for a peaceful passage for Maverick. We love them. care for them and in the end let them go. Sharyl --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 1:27 PM -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing His name is Maverick. He woke up this morning with a yellow color and has let us know he's had enough. We just returned from the vet and he had a peaceful passing. Amy --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:45 AM Poor guy. What is his name? Please keep us posted. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing Yeah, the vet does know about it. He threw it up and she said that means it was recently ingested. She said we can look at his belly today if we want but she said she felt while we were there and his belly felt fine. I read, and so did she, that one of the main reasons cats eat litter is because of anemia and we already know that's going on. I've lost the majority of my leuk positives over the years the same way. Either anemisa or tumors. We do full blood workups every 6 months to try to keep an eye on anemia but I've never been able to bring one back yet once the hematocrit starts dropping quickly. I expected him to live longer because I've lost most of my guys with hematocrits between 7-13 and his is 23. This guy is fading, though, and I think he's
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Thanks for telling us Maverick's story. He sounds like a cool little guy. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing He was white with a few orange spots and an orange tail. When we got him, he was so run down. Within no time at all, I thought he was the coolest looking cat I ever saw. He was all personality. He's the one that would stick his paws out from under the chair or couch to get me as I walked by. He loved life and would sit in the windows and make all sorts of crazy noises at my birds and squirrels, ones I've never heard a cat make. He was really one of a kind. I'll never forget how much he touched our lives. I got him the minute I returned home from my honeymoon in August of 05. I took one cat (possibly his sister or relative) with FIV right before we left and when I got home from my honeymoon, there was a message that he was waiting to see if I would give him a home. My husband let me make a special allowance for him (I had promised to keep my number to five since we spend so much money on them) and take him as my 6th cat for an early birthday present. I've rescued several leuk positive and for us the ones that got it as kittens never seemed to do as well in the long run. I have 5 (til today) and this is the longest stretch we've ever had without losing one. We were hoping maybe all these cats got leukemia as adults and would be around for a long time. Maverick was way too young, probably only 4 or 5 years old :( Thanks for thinking about us. Amy Amy, what color was Maverick? I picture him as black and white...and want to get the right picture of him in my mind. He is lucky to have had you. Your vet sounds wonderful! How long did you have Maverick? Take care and let your other kitties comfort you. Btw - a note of hope- I had one FeLV cat (Squeaky) live to 22 and another (Stripes) live to 16. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 3:07 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing All, Thank you to everybody that has responded. This passing has been extremely sad for us. They all are. No matter how many times I see this disease take one away, it never gets any easier. This guy came to me so sick. He was full of worms and stuff bursting out from under his eyes. I honestly didn't think he'd make it a year. He totally thrived and proved me wrong and he was such a character, such a presence. We miss him deeply already and the house is not the same. It is just empty in a way I can't express. It helps to hear from all of you that can understand because you've been there. Amy Amy, lighting a candle for a peaceful passage for Maverick. We love them. care for them and in the end let them go. Sharyl --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 1:27 PM -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing His name is Maverick. He woke up this morning with a yellow color and has let us know he's had enough. We just returned from the vet and he had a peaceful passing. Amy --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:45 AM Poor guy. What is his name? Please keep us posted. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing Yeah, the vet does know about it. He threw it up and she said that means it was recently ingested. She said we can look at his belly today if we want but she said she felt while we were there and his belly felt fine. I read, and so did she, that one of the main reasons cats eat litter is because of anemia and we already know that's going on. I've lost the majority of my leuk positives over the years the same way. Either anemisa or tumors. We do full blood workups every 6 months to try
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Amy, I am so sorry about your Maverick. He sounds like he was a wonderful kitty. The things you say about him remind me so much of one of my positives, Tweezer. He was also in horrible shape when we got him and has quite the personality now. You are so lucky to have such a sympathetic vet. These kitties are so often too young when we lose them. Last November I lost my Buzzy and he was only two. There have been so many wonderful cats that people on this list have lost in the last few weeks and every one takes a piece of my heart. Some of them beat the odds, though. My oldest positive is 11, and at the shelter where I volunteer there is a sweet 21 year old boy named Alex who lives in our positive room. It sounds like you do so much for your kitties. I hope you do not lose any more for a very, very long time. Hugs to you and a pleasent journey to the bridge for Maverick. - Original Message - From: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing He was white with a few orange spots and an orange tail. When we got him, he was so run down. Within no time at all, I thought he was the coolest looking cat I ever saw. He was all personality. He's the one that would stick his paws out from under the chair or couch to get me as I walked by. He loved life and would sit in the windows and make all sorts of crazy noises at my birds and squirrels, ones I've never heard a cat make. He was really one of a kind. I'll never forget how much he touched our lives. I got him the minute I returned home from my honeymoon in August of 05. I took one cat (possibly his sister or relative) with FIV right before we left and when I got home from my honeymoon, there was a message that he was waiting to see if I would give him a home. My husband let me make a special allowance for him (I had promised to keep my number to five since we spend so much money on them) and take him as my 6th cat for an early birthday present. I've rescued several leuk positive and for us the ones that got it as kittens never seemed to do as well in the long run. I have 5 (til today) and this is the longest stretch we've ever had without losing one. We were hoping maybe all these cats got leukemia as adults and would be around for a long time. Maverick was way too young, probably only 4 or 5 years old :( Thanks for thinking about us. Amy Amy, what color was Maverick? I picture him as black and white...and want to get the right picture of him in my mind. He is lucky to have had you. Your vet sounds wonderful! How long did you have Maverick? Take care and let your other kitties comfort you. Btw - a note of hope- I had one FeLV cat (Squeaky) live to 22 and another (Stripes) live to 16. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 3:07 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing All, Thank you to everybody that has responded. This passing has been extremely sad for us. They all are. No matter how many times I see this disease take one away, it never gets any easier. This guy came to me so sick. He was full of worms and stuff bursting out from under his eyes. I honestly didn't think he'd make it a year. He totally thrived and proved me wrong and he was such a character, such a presence. We miss him deeply already and the house is not the same. It is just empty in a way I can't express. It helps to hear from all of you that can understand because you've been there. Amy Amy, lighting a candle for a peaceful passage for Maverick. We love them. care for them and in the end let them go. Sharyl --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com wrote: From: Diane Rosenfeldt drosenfe...@wi.rr.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 1:27 PM -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing His name is Maverick. He woke up this morning with a yellow color and has let us know he's had enough. We just returned from the vet and he had a peaceful passing. Amy --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 9:45 AM Poor guy. What is his name? Please keep us posted. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 7:22 AM To: felvtalk
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Amy, It does sound like your vet is very nice and compassionate. And any vet that is willing to learn and research is a keeper. When a cat is anemic whether they are positive or not, there is a reason for it. Anemia in itself is not a disease, it is a symptom if something else going on and that something needs to be found and treated. When Bailey was anemic, blood work didn't give us any answers, it only told us he was anemic but not why so we did a bone marrow aspirate, this gave us a little more to go on. His anemia was non regenerative and there was evidence of neoplastic cells, pre-cancerous cells. We did every imaginable test to try and find cancer if there was any, it wasn't a definite for sure he had cancer but there was a chance he might have cancer. None of the test, ultrasound, xrays, blood work, nothing showed us any cancer anywhere. We reversed the anemia with epogen, prednisolone and he was on the doxy just in case and he tested negative 5 times for hemo but I still wanted him on doxy. So I don't know which drug or combination of drugs fixed the anemia but he was on the epogen for the 5 months longer that he lived. He died 5 days after he turned 11 years old and an autopsy showed he had pancreatic cancer. I had questioned my vet about pancreatitis because Bailey had a feeding tube (even after we fixed the anemia he wouldn't eat a bite on his own), and he would act uncomfortable sometimes when I fed him so I wondered if he had pancreatitis, my vet said she didn't think so because his blood work didn't show it, his glucose and amylease were normal, but that doesn't mean anything they may or may not be elevated with pancreatitis. He also had chronic diarrhea for the 5 months. I wish I had told my vet to do the specific test for pancreatitis but I didn't ... something I will regret forever too. Pancreatic cancer from what I understand is not one that responds well to chemo but I never even got the chance to try so I know exactly what you mean about feeling guilty. But I have learned from that and whenever I hear someone say epogen will *not* help a cat that has non regenerative anemia, I KNOW that is not true and I will say it until I am blue in the face. I've lost 5 positives over 14 years, my youngest was 5 so I was pretty lucky I didn't lose any real young ones, Bailey was my oldest and yes it happens so quickly, one day he was a very happy little chubby boy and then all of a sudden it seemed he was losing weight and very sick. I don't have any positives now, but all my guys are getting older, Fred, 18 has kidney disease for the last 3 years and is getting weaker, but he is still happy and gets waited in hand and foot, he only leaves his bed to go potty, his food, water, everything is right there for him. He gets up and comes over to sit on me several times a day and smooch, other than that he sleeps. Some would say he doesn't have much of a life but he is happy and does what he wants, as little or as much. Joey, 14 has kidney issues and heart issues, he loses a little more weight every year and has slowed down some. He sleeps more and hates getting his fluids every other day. He is my heart baby and I can't even bring myself to think of him not being here. Shelbee 15, just had surgery for a huge mass taking up almost all of the room in her body, it is a benign biliary adenoma and her whole liver is involved so there was nothing they could do, yet her blood work for her liver and kidneys is perfect (she also has a mass on her kidney, not cancerous, probably had that all her life). She came through the surgery with flying colors and my animal communicator said she feels strong and good. Hopefully the tumor will grow very slowly and she will be with me many, many more years. My other two are as far as I know are only overweight, one a little, one a lot. No bet knows everything including mine, whom I also love, she isn't there anymore and I have not found anyone that I like even half as much as her. I know you did your best by Maverick and so does he, one thing about animals they love us unconditionally and all they want in return is out love, with that they are happy. We can only do our best and you did and that is all we can do. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hey all, I haven't posted to the list in a long time. We've had a pretty good run with all our leuk positives but I have one that seems to be going downhill pretty quickly. We took him to the vet yesterday. His hematocrit is lower than usual (23%) and his Na, Ca, and Phos levels are off. He also had a temp. They gave him prednisone and antibiotics and some fluids. He won't eat and is very lethargic. He also hasn't used the litter box today. I've tried tuna, baby food, etc. If anybody has any advice or things to try that I haven't thought of, I'd love to hear it. Amy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I am sorry to hear about your kitty. Glad you are here. I am sure you know he must eat. Mackerel, Fancy Feast canned foods (gourmet salmon and shrimp works here), dry EVO, Kentucky fried chicken, canned Friskies, Whiska packets with cheese, Weruva paw lickin chicken, fresh tilapia or salmon (cooked), Solid gold canned tuna, canned or dry Wellness CORE, Wellness canned turkey and salmon. When mine won't eat, I start mixing AD or maximum calorie with warm water and syringe feeding. Check out feline assisted feeding (FAF) yahoo group for more food ideas. In a rush. Sorry so short. Prayers for you and kitty. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing Hey all, I haven't posted to the list in a long time. We've had a pretty good run with all our leuk positives but I have one that seems to be going downhill pretty quickly. We took him to the vet yesterday. His hematocrit is lower than usual (23%) and his Na, Ca, and Phos levels are off. He also had a temp. They gave him prednisone and antibiotics and some fluids. He won't eat and is very lethargic. He also hasn't used the litter box today. I've tried tuna, baby food, etc. If anybody has any advice or things to try that I haven't thought of, I'd love to hear it. Amy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Are his Phosphorus levels high or low? High can cause tummy acid and they won't eat. A quarter of a pepcid AC might help with that. Was kitty checked for dehydration? That makes them feel really crappy and they won't eat. What is kitties white count could kitty be fighting an infection? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Not sure if the phosphorus was high or low but they recommended getting tums today and giving him some of that because his calcium was low. He was given fluids at the vet yesterday for dehydration but they didn't think they needed to send me with fluids. I noticed today he is eating litter. I read it can be a sign of anemia or a mineral deficiency. Now I'm worried he's bound up from that. I went and switched to Yesterday's News but I'm sure he ate some clumping litter. I tried syringe feeding him and he threw it up. I think his white count is about where it always is. We do bloodwork every 6 months and she compared it. His hematocrit was about half his normal but I think WBCs were ok. Amy From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 7:54 PM Are his Phosphorus levels high or low? High can cause tummy acid and they won't eat. A quarter of a pepcid AC might help with that. Was kitty checked for dehydration? That makes them feel really crappy and they won't eat. What is kitties white count could kitty be fighting an infection? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I would be real concerned with clumping litter if he ate any, you know what it does when it gets wet. Does the vet know about that? I have heard that cats shouldn't get tums, will see if I can find the palce I read it. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Ok, I just read on Tanya CRF site that TUMS was ok for cats. http://www.felinecrf.org/treatments.htm#low_calcium -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Me, too about the cat litter. That could explain the vomiting. If he is vomiting and not having stools, it can mean the kitty is blocked and needs to be seen asap. They had my Lucy swallow some pills and then xrayed her stomach each couple hours to make sure they moved into the intestines. They did. I have never heard of using tums with cats. I know that I got kidney stones from eating tums and taking a calcium pill at bed time (without food). Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing I would be real concerned with clumping litter if he ate any, you know what it does when it gets wet. Does the vet know about that? I have heard that cats shouldn't get tums, will see if I can find the palce I read it. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing
Good! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat crashing Ok, I just read on Tanya CRF site that TUMS was ok for cats. http://www.felinecrf.org/treatments.htm#low_calcium -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
