Re: [Felvtalk] Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol
Thanks Amani for the response. I think I can work with him about keeping her on the Winstrol. Last time when he took her off, since she has not been spayed, she went into heat and it really took a lot out of her. And he immediately put her back on it. I think I can convince him to not take her off until/if she is well enough to be fixed. I am not sure why the resistance to the Doxycycline. I am sure I am pestering him with these blood tests but don¹t really care if I am. They are not free and I always pay each visit so in a perfect world it shouldn¹t matter. I figure if I can get her in every couple of weeks without much guff from him I feel I am able to keep a pretty good watch on her counts. By the way, he is a coach at one of the large high schools here in Fort Wayne and played sports himself when younger. So good call by you on his history with athletics. I feel quite worried about her platelets. Everything else was going the right direction. To your knowledge is there anything I can do for her for this problem? Sherri From: Felvtalk <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> on behalf of Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> Reply-To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Date: Friday, September 30, 2016 at 12:33 PM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol Sorry Sherri I didn¹t see your comments below the numbers. I don¹t agree with your vet about him taking her off the Winstrol. Given that you are running the blood work regularly, though, you will be able to see if her numbers drop when the Winstrol is removed. You already saw that when he took her off the Winstrol before, her numbers flattened. He is just wrong. He must be a body builder and familiar with how Winstrol is used in athletics they cycle, but they are not in a debilitated state and they are not cats, who metabolize things differently than humans. Anyhow, running the blood work regularly will help you if the need arises to argue with him about taking off the Winstrol. Also, since he seems willing to run the blood work regularly (as I did with Zander but I ran it weekly), at some point, try again to discuss the Doxycycline and indicate that since you are running the blood work regularly, you will be able to see quickly enough, what the effect is. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: September-30-16 12:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol Hi everyone. I took Bogey back for another blood test today even though she wasn¹t due until next week. I wanted to make sure we were going the right direction with the meds and to try to push again for the Doxycyline. I may not have spelled that right. No luck on that issue but her blood test all showed improvement except that her platelets dropped which he didn¹t seem that concerned about. She went without the Pet-tinic for a couple of days because they were out and had to order it and he seemed to think that might be part of that. Here is a comparison from 2 weeks ago. It is a gradual improvement but none the less made me happy. She really doesn¹t appear to be feeling any better as these number rise but maybe that is a side effect of the powerful steroids. 30-Sep16-Sep24-Aug RBC2.92.572.43 HCT17.915.315.3 HGB6.25.55.3 MCV61.759.162.6 MCH21.421.421.8 MCHC34.636.234.9 RDW25.223.723.9 RETIC82.178.161.5 WBC12.0114.4713.46 NEU3.964.074.03 LYM6.818.837.75 MONO1.171.521.58 EOS0.060.0040.01 BASO0.010.010 PLT538850 For people not familiar with Bogey she is 13 month old FEVL positive diagnosed on 8-1. Started on 5 mg Prednisolone and 2 mg of Stanzolol on 8-18. She eats and drinks well and is sometimes quite playful. But she does sleep a lot and tires easily. She is on her second cycle of the Stanzolol, the first of which was only 2 weeks and off for 1 week. This cycle and latest results are after 3 weeks. Dr is not taking her off it this time until her numbers improve. He insists she must come off of it (cycling) for it to be effective. Just an update. Thanks for reading. Best to all. Sherri ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol
Sorry Sherri I didn't see your comments below the numbers. I don't agree with your vet about him taking her off the Winstrol. Given that you are running the blood work regularly, though, you will be able to see if her numbers drop when the Winstrol is removed. You already saw that when he took her off the Winstrol before, her numbers flattened. He is just wrong. He must be a body builder and familiar with how Winstrol is used in athletics - they cycle, but they are not in a debilitated state and they are not cats, who metabolize things differently than humans. Anyhow, running the blood work regularly will help you if the need arises to argue with him about taking off the Winstrol. Also, since he seems willing to run the blood work regularly (as I did with Zander but I ran it weekly), at some point, try again to discuss the Doxycycline and indicate that since you are running the blood work regularly, you will be able to see quickly enough, what the effect is. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: September-30-16 12:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol Hi everyone. I took Bogey back for another blood test today even though she wasn't due until next week. I wanted to make sure we were going the right direction with the meds and to try to push again for the Doxycyline. I may not have spelled that right. No luck on that issue but her blood test all showed improvement except that her platelets dropped which he didn't seem that concerned about. She went without the Pet-tinic for a couple of days because they were out and had to order it and he seemed to think that might be part of that. Here is a comparison from 2 weeks ago. It is a gradual improvement but none the less made me happy. She really doesn't appear to be feeling any better as these number rise but maybe that is a side effect of the powerful steroids. 30-Sep 16-Sep 24-Aug RBC 2.9 2.57 2.43 HCT 17.9 15.3 15.3 HGB 6.2 5.5 5.3 MCV 61.7 59.1 62.6 MCH 21.4 21.4 21.8 MCHC 34.6 36.2 34.9 RDW 25.2 23.7 23.9 RETIC 82.1 78.1 61.5 WBC 12.01 14.47 13.46 NEU 3.96 4.07 4.03 LYM 6.81 8.83 7.75 MONO 1.17 1.52 1.58 EOS 0.06 0.004 0.01 BASO 0.01 0.01 0 PLT 53 88 50 For people not familiar with Bogey she is 13 month old FEVL positive diagnosed on 8-1. Started on 5 mg Prednisolone and 2 mg of Stanzolol on 8-18. She eats and drinks well and is sometimes quite playful. But she does sleep a lot and tires easily. She is on her second cycle of the Stanzolol, the first of which was only 2 weeks and off for 1 week. This cycle and latest results are after 3 weeks. Dr is not taking her off it this time until her numbers improve. He insists she must come off of it (cycling) for it to be effective. Just an update. Thanks for reading. Best to all. Sherri ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol
Hi Sherri The Winstrol does indeed make them feel much better, increases their appetite and seems to lift their mood. However, there is no question you are seeing a vast improvement on the numbers. The haematocrit, going up 2 points in a few weeks, is remarkable. The red cell counts are still struggling, but the reticulocyte count is showing that immature red cells are rising in numbers. The lymphocytes are gradually dropping, but still are not in normal ratio with the neutrophils. (Again, points to the need for the Doxycycline, but you are doing what you can.) I looked up the Pet-tinic, but I doubt that what is in Pet-tinic would help at all with the platelets - the iron would help with the haemoglobin count (haemoglobin is made up of an iron ring). I do remain worried about the platelets, but you are certainly getting a good response on the red cells, haematocrit and haemoglobin. Thank you for sharing. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri Godschalk Sent: September-30-16 12:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol Hi everyone. I took Bogey back for another blood test today even though she wasn't due until next week. I wanted to make sure we were going the right direction with the meds and to try to push again for the Doxycyline. I may not have spelled that right. No luck on that issue but her blood test all showed improvement except that her platelets dropped which he didn't seem that concerned about. She went without the Pet-tinic for a couple of days because they were out and had to order it and he seemed to think that might be part of that. Here is a comparison from 2 weeks ago. It is a gradual improvement but none the less made me happy. She really doesn't appear to be feeling any better as these number rise but maybe that is a side effect of the powerful steroids. 30-Sep 16-Sep 24-Aug RBC 2.9 2.57 2.43 HCT 17.9 15.3 15.3 HGB 6.2 5.5 5.3 MCV 61.7 59.1 62.6 MCH 21.4 21.4 21.8 MCHC 34.6 36.2 34.9 RDW 25.2 23.7 23.9 RETIC 82.1 78.1 61.5 WBC 12.01 14.47 13.46 NEU 3.96 4.07 4.03 LYM 6.81 8.83 7.75 MONO 1.17 1.52 1.58 EOS 0.06 0.004 0.01 BASO 0.01 0.01 0 PLT 53 88 50 For people not familiar with Bogey she is 13 month old FEVL positive diagnosed on 8-1. Started on 5 mg Prednisolone and 2 mg of Stanzolol on 8-18. She eats and drinks well and is sometimes quite playful. But she does sleep a lot and tires easily. She is on her second cycle of the Stanzolol, the first of which was only 2 weeks and off for 1 week. This cycle and latest results are after 3 weeks. Dr is not taking her off it this time until her numbers improve. He insists she must come off of it (cycling) for it to be effective. Just an update. Thanks for reading. Best to all. Sherri ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol
Hi everyone. I took Bogey back for another blood test today even though she wasn¹t due until next week. I wanted to make sure we were going the right direction with the meds and to try to push again for the Doxycyline. I may not have spelled that right. No luck on that issue but her blood test all showed improvement except that her platelets dropped which he didn¹t seem that concerned about. She went without the Pet-tinic for a couple of days because they were out and had to order it and he seemed to think that might be part of that. Here is a comparison from 2 weeks ago. It is a gradual improvement but none the less made me happy. She really doesn¹t appear to be feeling any better as these number rise but maybe that is a side effect of the powerful steroids. 30-Sep 16-Sep 24-Aug RBC 2.9 2.57 2.43 HCT 17.9 15.3 15.3 HGB 6.2 5.5 5.3 MCV 61.7 59.1 62.6 MCH 21.4 21.4 21.8 MCHC 34.6 36.2 34.9 RDW 25.2 23.7 23.9 RETIC 82.1 78.1 61.5 WBC 12.01 14.47 13.46 NEU 3.96 4.07 4.03 LYM 6.81 8.83 7.75 MONO 1.17 1.52 1.58 EOS 0.06 0.004 0.01 BASO 0.01 0.01 0 PLT 53 88 50 For people not familiar with Bogey she is 13 month old FEVL positive diagnosed on 8-1. Started on 5 mg Prednisolone and 2 mg of Stanzolol on 8-18. She eats and drinks well and is sometimes quite playful. But she does sleep a lot and tires easily. She is on her second cycle of the Stanzolol, the first of which was only 2 weeks and off for 1 week. This cycle and latest results are after 3 weeks. Dr is not taking her off it this time until her numbers improve. He insists she must come off of it (cycling) for it to be effective. Just an update. Thanks for reading. Best to all. Sherri ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
