Re: [Felvtalk] Feline vaccines was/: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

[Maya D'Alessio]

Question about the Winstrol - is it good for RBC too? or mostly just the
WBC? Has anyone used it in concert with Epogen (Erythropoeitin)? Or used
Epogen instead?

I'm concerned about the paleness of Merlot's gums. He still has decent
energy though.

On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 7:11 AM, Margo 
wrote:

>
>
> Sort of. Cats get Panleukopenia (FPV), which is Feline Parvo Virus. In
> fact, the dog "parvo" test is used to diagnose cats with Panleuk. Shelters
> generally give a 3 or 4-way vaccine to kittens oras part of  intake
> protocol but rabies is separate, since it's not given until 3-4 months. The
> usual composition of cat 3 way is Panleukopenia (FPV) feline
> rhinotracheitis and calici, 4 way adds feline Chlamydia psittaci. Of
> course, all shelters may do things differently, but FIV is an expensive
> vaccine, and cats should be chipped and/or tattooed to reflect the
> vaccination.
>
> Margo
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kelley S
> Sent: Oct 23, 2015 9:26 PM
> To: felvtalk
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
>
> Parvo would be for dogs...cats cannot get parvoI don't know of any
> vets who recommend FIV vaccinations...they do not work well and the cat
> will always test positive for FIV after...
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 6:50 PM,  wrote:
>
>> To prevent the disease, you need to treat it and vets do not seem to get
>> that.  Only by treating and learning about it can we prevent it.
>>
>>  Ardy Robertson  wrote:
>> > Thank you very much for this information Amani.
>> >
>> > Possibly another reason they don’t want to treat FeLV+ cats is that
>> they somehow feel “getting rid” of them is helping to not spread the
>> disease. My thought is that most spreading is probably done from mother cat
>> to baby, and of course in those rare homes that have very large numbers of
>> poorly-cared-for cats. They are not really trusting owners of FeLV+ cats to
>> be responsible enough to not allow it to spread. I have also now read that
>> cats that are over 11 months of age probably have enough of an immune
>> system to not get the disease even if they are near positive cats. Although
>> I would not take that chance and ever let them run outdoors or be around
>> other cats.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Ardy
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of Amani Oakley
>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:03 PM
>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> > Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Arty, again, this is an email I tried to post early this morning, but
>> for some reason it didn’t go through to the Listserve, so I am reposting:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Amani Oakley
>> > Sent: October-21-15 11:51 AM
>> > To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
>> > Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Arty, the Winstrol is an anabolic steroid so it really just works by
>> bulking up the body, repairing damaged tissue, and also has a strong
>> ability to treat serious anemia by working directly on the red blood cell
>> producing cells in the bone marrow and erythropoietin production in the
>> kidneys. Erythropoietin is the substance that the body produces that tells
>> it to make more red cells.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > It is NOT the same kind of steroid as prednisolone, etc., so it can be
>> used with other types of steroids, with pain meds and with antibiotics,
>> etc., without interfering with their activity.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > My frustration comes from the fact that this drug was basically pulled
>> because it is associated with doping scandals in professional athletes
>> (they use it to become stronger and faster and to heal and recover from
>> workouts faster), so it became a drug whose name you can’t mention and is
>> tough to get sometimes. Also, there was a scientific study suggesting liver
>> damage with its use, but the rest of the scientific literature just doesn’t
>> seem to have borne this out and it certainly isn’t my experience. So here
>> we have this relatively inexpensive, fairly effective option, with little
>> downside risk, and quick effects usually, and the vets would rather tell us
>> there is no hope and to euthanize our cats, than suggest this medication.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I just don’t get it, and I have some very good friends who are high up
>> in the echelons of the vet community, so believe me when I tell you that I
>> have had this discussion on many occasions!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Amani
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
>> Of Ardy Robertson
>> > Sent: October-20-15 11:10 PM
>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you so much Amani – it really sounds like you have done your
>> homework!! And that’s 

[Felvtalk] Feline vaccines was/: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

[Margo]

Sort of. Cats get Panleukopenia (FPV), which is Feline Parvo Virus. In fact, the dog "parvo" test is used to diagnose cats with Panleuk. Shelters generally give a 3 or 4-way vaccine to kittens oras part of  intake protocol but rabies is separate, since it's not given until 3-4 months. The usual composition of cat 3 way is Panleukopenia (FPV)  feline rhinotracheitis and calici, 4 way adds feline Chlamydia psittaci. Of course, all shelters may do things differently, but FIV is an expensive vaccine, and cats should be chipped and/or tattooed to reflect the vaccination.Margo-Original Message-
From: Kelley S 
Sent: Oct 23, 2015 9:26 PM
To: felvtalk 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))

Parvo would be for dogs...cats cannot get parvoI don't know of any vets who recommend FIV vaccinations...they do not work well and the cat will always test positive for FIV after...On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 6:50 PM,   wrote:To prevent the disease, you need to treat it and vets do not seem to get that.  Only by treating and learning about it can we prevent it.

 Ardy Robertson  wrote:
> Thank you very much for this information Amani.
>
> Possibly another reason they don’t want to treat FeLV+ cats is that they somehow feel “getting rid” of them is helping to not spread the disease. My thought is that most spreading is probably done from mother cat to baby, and of course in those rare homes that have very large numbers of poorly-cared-for cats. They are not really trusting owners of FeLV+ cats to be responsible enough to not allow it to spread. I have also now read that cats that are over 11 months of age probably have enough of an immune system to not get the disease even if they are near positive cats. Although I would not take that chance and ever let them run outdoors or be around other cats.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ardy
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:03 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
>
>
>
> Arty, again, this is an email I tried to post early this morning, but for some reason it didn’t go through to the Listserve, so I am reposting:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Amani Oakley
> Sent: October-21-15 11:51 AM
> To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
> Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
>
>
>
> Arty, the Winstrol is an anabolic steroid so it really just works by bulking up the body, repairing damaged tissue, and also has a strong ability to treat serious anemia by working directly on the red blood cell producing cells in the bone marrow and erythropoietin production in the kidneys. Erythropoietin is the substance that the body produces that tells it to make more red cells.
>
>
>
> It is NOT the same kind of steroid as prednisolone, etc., so it can be used with other types of steroids, with pain meds and with antibiotics, etc., without interfering with their activity.
>
>
>
> My frustration comes from the fact that this drug was basically pulled because it is associated with doping scandals in professional athletes (they use it to become stronger and faster and to heal and recover from workouts faster), so it became a drug whose name you can’t mention and is tough to get sometimes. Also, there was a scientific study suggesting liver damage with its use, but the rest of the scientific literature just doesn’t seem to have borne this out and it certainly isn’t my experience. So here we have this relatively inexpensive, fairly effective option, with little downside risk, and quick effects usually, and the vets would rather tell us there is no hope and to euthanize our cats, than suggest this medication.
>
>
>
> I just don’t get it, and I have some very good friends who are high up in the echelons of the vet community, so believe me when I tell you that I have had this discussion on many occasions!
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson
> Sent: October-20-15 11:10 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanozolol (Winstrol(R))
>
>
>
> Thank you so much Amani – it really sounds like you have done your homework!! And that’s just it – this happened so fast and took us so off-guard that I didn’t have any knowledge of what to do. We took him in on a Sunday night, and after putting some “puzzle pieces” together, I think he was getting sick for a while and I just did not pick up on it. We had been gone for a couple days, then we had company at our house so he was kind of out of sight and I figured he just didn’t like the people, when actually he usually loves people. He had felt hot a couple of times, but both times he was lying on a window sill with the sun shining directly on him. Our regular vet was out so a different animal hospital