Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 29, Issue 30

Sun, 25 Sep 2016 18:52:58 -0700

Maria et al:  ( please forgive all the blasted question marks that appear in my responses...  I don't put them there they just appear....  I'm going to try NOT using dots to separate  thoughts and see if that helps.
Thank you for taking the time to respond.  I am fairly up to date on natural supplements ( and , honestly, less than impressed with them for such serious disorders)  my Kitties have been on immune enhancers and other proprietary natural supplements since the day I got them " just in case" they offer any assistance.... They also get Lysine daily: and I'll probably add DMG.   My biggest concern is his eyes and finding an alternative to corticosteroids that might be able to stave off a return of the Uveitis as once it returns I VERY much doubt there are  natural supplements that are going to have the immediate effects he will need( much less ones that can be administered directly into the eye but. who knows- it took a couple of weeks to bring it under control initially with the Prednisolone and even at that it was a judgement call on the part of myself AND the vet as we both knew the risks of chronic Pred administration intra-ocularly but that had to be weighed against the certain loss of the eye if the Uveitis were allowed to continue( also his intraocular pressure was rising so it was literally just a matter of time.  I'd consider removing the eye if it were not for the fact that he had it in both eyes and it is nearly certain to come back in the other eye as well if it returns. and to be perfectly honest.... I'm not willing to put either him OR myself through that .... the vet recommends against this severe an operation for him and considering the risks and the expense for a more than uncertain outcome and a life of near or total blindness( IF he survives the operation) on TOP of his other ills now and in the future.   It's just not a good life for either of us.    Hoping for miracles still ( or even some good luck for my little guy who appears to have been born under a bad sign but not banking on them... I read the posts here from folks whose Kitties have turned up positive after several years and wish that this kind of time had been gifted to my little guy....  We have a colony of FeLV cats now at the shelter where I volunteer and not a one of them have been sick a day since we got them in beyond the URI's that affected the rest of the shelter cats ....  I'm hoping the youngest two,at least, might test negative post 6 months... absolute prettiest and sweetest cats we have at the shelter.... they should be in a home where they can be appreciated....   but I digress....   thanks for your thoughts.. On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 08:33 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: 


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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Eye Problems and Prednisolone.... (Maira Favela)
   2. Re: Eye Problems and Prednisolone.... (Maira Favela)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 17:29:51 -0700
From: Maira Favela To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone....
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O.k.. Then, opt for natural, bio degradable cleaning products that 
will do

the same thing, while keeping your cats safe. ?

On Sep 25, 2016 4:44 PM, "kat"  wrote:


Just a caveat on cleaning - do not use lysol or pine-sol - they 
contain

phenol which can be toxic to cats & birds.
Also, stay away from essential oils for cat & birds.

Kat (Mew Jersey)

*Sent:* Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 6:08 PM
*From:* "Maira Favela" *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone....


Try researching natural suppliments or remedies on line. Also, have 
you
considered seeing a holistic vetnerian? I have not been to one, but i 
have
read and heard about them in the internet. Try also using curcumin 
and any
food/vitamin supplyment that might help with inflamation. Try to keep 
your
home and items clean/sanitary to avoid further infections, even items 
used
for feeding/drinking. Bleach/lysol/ and disinfecting wipe will healp, 
and
they don't need the expensive brand either. Also, try to turn on the 
shower

head on hot water to creat steam, as this help him open up his nasal

passages. Try also feeding him good fatty acids and oils, like oil 
based

gel vitamin suppliments-preferably for kittens, even if the cat is an

adult. Try also feeding him kitten food and milk, since these have 
more
calories and nutriens than adult food-this might help him gain 
weight.
Also, incorporate more canned food, and water comsumeption. This 
increase

feedings. Hopefully, this might help him gain weight and heal

better/sooner. Good luck. And if you have faith, pray, pray for your 
little

fighter! Stay strong. Have hope. ?

On Sep 25, 2016 12:06 PM, "ROBERT CHAPEL"  wrote:



I'm really at my wits end as to how much more to put my little guy (

Yogi) through....  I adopted him 7 months ago and he has had 
something
causing him pain at least 5 of them......   I put him on high doses 
of
ocular Prednisolone to try to spare his vision after a severe 
Uveitis(
bilateral but worse in the right eye) and the Vet said it would 
likely have
to be given chronically....VERY unfortunately he developed a huge 
corneal
abrasion ( Green dye uptake involved almost his etire eye)...   Now 
I've
got the poor little guy on atropine and two antibiotics three times 
a day

in hopes of keeping the eye from rupturing..... This on top of his

continuing to lose weight despite healthy appetite and still with 
some
blood in the stool.....   The BIG problem in the moment is that I 
really
can't put him back on topical corticosteroids if it is going to do 
this to

him..... but.....when I tried to back off them before his Uveitis

returned..... There is a good chance it will return again..... 
Has

anyone ever heard of anything that might be used for a cats eye

inflammation that is not a corticosteroid??       I'll be frank.... 
this
little guy is using up every single dime and then some of my 
retirement "
disposable" income and I simply won't be able to afford him pretty 
soon if
I don't figure something out..... beyond that... it is just too sad 
seeing
him constantly suffering with one malady after another.... 
Winstrol is
not going to happen unless I go from Vet to Vet and hope I can find 
one
that will work with me but....  I honestly don't hold out a lot of 
hope for
this guy.... He started getting sick very young and it's not gotten 
any
better.....  My other guy is holding his own and I haven't had him 
to the
vet more than once for an upper respiratory infection.....   I'm not 
just
going to wait for the little guy to pass.....  I'm thinking that if 
the

Uveitis returns and there is nothing that will control it besides

corticosteroids I'm going to let him go..... He's just always 
hurting....
Hasn't been able to be a kitten for more than a few weeks since I 
brought
him home ....  Add to this that my quality of life is pretty crappy 
at this

point as I can take very little time away from home....   I'd spend

thousands that I don't have if I had any assurance that it would 
make a
difference but not just to keep him " functional" until he fades 
away while
his life becomes enduring constant medication... being nearly 
blind....
sleeping and eating and avoiding the advances of his house mate who 
still
wants to play.... His " better" eye does not appear to be very 
functional
which leaves him at risk if the other guy decides to jump him..... 
I
sometimes separate them when I am out of the house but it appears 
that he
prefers being out in the entire house even with the risk of the 
other
guy.... Figure for the time he has I'll let him do as he prefers as 
long as

it's not too dangerous......

But back to the original question..... any thought or experiences 
with

anti Inflammatory medications that can used ocularly that are not
Corticosteroids.......

thanks for any thoughts..

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Hodor Declining (Sandy)



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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 16:39:49 +0000 (UTC)
From: Sandy To: Margo , felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hodor Declining
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listen to Amani!! Sandy W ----- Original Message -----


From: "Margo"  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, 
September

25, 2016 6:58:34 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hodor Declining




I never had expected the Interferon to cause red cell or hematocrit
changes. Where can I find information about that?


Thanks,


Margo





-----Original Message----- From: Amani Oakley Sent: Sep 25, 2016 
12:25

AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hodor
Declining


Elizabeth


My experience was that the interferon did absolutely nothing for my

Zander. I checked his blood work weekly to track what was 
happening, and
even though I left him on it for several months (with blood 
transfusions,
to ensure there was a chance for it to work), there was no effect 
at all on

the red blood cells or haematocrit.



Do not wait if you don?t see improvement. My strong suggestion is 
to put

him back on the doxycycline and try again for some Winstrol.


Amani



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On 
Behalf

Of Liz McCarty Sent: September-25-16 12:20 AM To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Hodor Declining




Hey... Hodor was pretty steady and eating well, good energy... 
Until
Wednesday. Since then be seems to not have enough energy to move 
very far.

Not eating well, or drinking well. One of his eyes started tearing

occasionally. He still gets excited about treats and a water bottle 
we
freeze for him that he likes to lick. He has been on interferon for 
2
weeks... This past week was his 7 days off. He started back last 
night. Has
anyone had interferon experience and seen their cats drop on the 
week off?

Any suggestions? I don't want to lose him. We are also giving him
prednisone, Pet Tinic and Dmg.

I don't think the URI cleared before they stopped his 
doxycycline...
Even though I expressed concern they said stop for now... I want to 
start
him again....any thoughts? I don't think his immune system needs 
this extra

stress! He was doing so well when he had the doxycycline.
Thank you.
Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438




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Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 17:32:57 -0700
From: Maira Favela To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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And about essential oils-the purpose of using oils and fats is to give 
them
to you cat until they gain weight- they are not ment to be used long 
term.

?

On Sep 25, 2016 4:44 PM, "kat"  wrote:


Just a caveat on cleaning - do not use lysol or pine-sol - they 
contain

phenol which can be toxic to cats & birds.
Also, stay away from essential oils for cat & birds.

Kat (Mew Jersey)

*Sent:* Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 6:08 PM
*From:* "Maira Favela" *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Eye Problems and Prednisolone....


Try researching natural suppliments or remedies on line. Also, have 
you
considered seeing a holistic vetnerian? I have not been to one, but i 
have
read and heard about them in the internet. Try also using curcumin 
and any
food/vitamin supplyment that might help with inflamation. Try to keep 
your
home and items clean/sanitary to avoid further infections, even items 
used
for feeding/drinking. Bleach/lysol/ and disinfecting wipe will healp, 
and
they don't need the expensive brand either. Also, try to turn on the 
shower

head on hot water to creat steam, as this help him open up his nasal

passages. Try also feeding him good fatty acids and oils, like oil 
based

gel vitamin suppliments-preferably for kittens, even if the cat is an

adult. Try also feeding him kitten food and milk, since these have 
more
calories and nutriens than adult food-this might help him gain 
weight.
Also, incorporate more canned food, and water comsumeption. This 
increase

feedings. Hopefully, this might help him gain weight and heal

better/sooner. Good luck. And if you have faith, pray, pray for your 
little

fighter! Stay strong. Have hope. ?

On Sep 25, 2016 12:06 PM, "ROBERT CHAPEL"  wrote:



I'm really at my wits end as to how much more to put my little guy (

Yogi) through....  I adopted him 7 months ago and he has had 
something
causing him pain at least 5 of them......   I put him on high doses 
of
ocular Prednisolone to try to spare his vision after a severe 
Uveitis(
bilateral but worse in the right eye) and the Vet said it would 
likely have
to be given chronically....VERY unfortunately he developed a huge 
corneal
abrasion ( Green dye uptake involved almost his etire eye)...   Now 
I've
got the poor little guy on atropine and two antibiotics three times 
a day

in hopes of keeping the eye from rupturing..... This on top of his

continuing to lose weight despite healthy appetite and still with 
some
blood in the stool.....   The BIG problem in the moment is that I 
really
can't put him back on topical corticosteroids if it is going to do 
this to

him..... but.....when I tried to back off them before his Uveitis

returned..... There is a good chance it will return again..... 
Has

anyone ever heard of anything that might be used for a cats eye

inflammation that is not a corticosteroid??       I'll be frank.... 
this
little guy is using up every single dime and then some of my 
retirement "
disposable" income and I simply won't be able to afford him pretty 
soon if
I don't figure something out..... beyond that... it is just too sad 
seeing
him constantly suffering with one malady after another.... 
Winstrol is
not going to happen unless I go from Vet to Vet and hope I can find 
one
that will work with me but....  I honestly don't hold out a lot of 
hope for
this guy.... He started getting sick very young and it's not gotten 
any
better.....  My other guy is holding his own and I haven't had him 
to the
vet more than once for an upper respiratory infection.....   I'm not 
just
going to wait for the little guy to pass.....  I'm thinking that if 
the

Uveitis returns and there is nothing that will control it besides

corticosteroids I'm going to let him go..... He's just always 
hurting....
Hasn't been able to be a kitten for more than a few weeks since I 
brought
him home ....  Add to this that my quality of life is pretty crappy 
at this

point as I can take very little time away from home....   I'd spend

thousands that I don't have if I had any assurance that it would 
make a
difference but not just to keep him " functional" until he fades 
away while
his life becomes enduring constant medication... being nearly 
blind....
sleeping and eating and avoiding the advances of his house mate who 
still
wants to play.... His " better" eye does not appear to be very 
functional
which leaves him at risk if the other guy decides to jump him..... 
I
sometimes separate them when I am out of the house but it appears 
that he
prefers being out in the entire house even with the risk of the 
other
guy.... Figure for the time he has I'll let him do as he prefers as 
long as

it's not too dangerous......

But back to the original question..... any thought or experiences 
with

anti Inflammatory medications that can used ocularly that are not
Corticosteroids.......

thanks for any thoughts..

On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 01:00 PM, 
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   1. Re: Hodor Declining (Sandy)



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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 16:39:49 +0000 (UTC)
From: Sandy To: Margo , felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hodor Declining
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listen to Amani!! Sandy W ----- Original Message -----


From: "Margo"  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, 
September

25, 2016 6:58:34 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hodor Declining




I never had expected the Interferon to cause red cell or hematocrit
changes. Where can I find information about that?


Thanks,


Margo





-----Original Message----- From: Amani Oakley Sent: Sep 25, 2016 
12:25

AM To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hodor
Declining


Elizabeth


My experience was that the interferon did absolutely nothing for my

Zander. I checked his blood work weekly to track what was 
happening, and
even though I left him on it for several months (with blood 
transfusions,
to ensure there was a chance for it to work), there was no effect 
at all on

the red blood cells or haematocrit.



Do not wait if you don?t see improvement. My strong suggestion is 
to put

him back on the doxycycline and try again for some Winstrol.


Amani



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On 
Behalf

Of Liz McCarty Sent: September-25-16 12:20 AM To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Hodor Declining




Hey... Hodor was pretty steady and eating well, good energy... 
Until
Wednesday. Since then be seems to not have enough energy to move 
very far.

Not eating well, or drinking well. One of his eyes started tearing

occasionally. He still gets excited about treats and a water bottle 
we
freeze for him that he likes to lick. He has been on interferon for 
2
weeks... This past week was his 7 days off. He started back last 
night. Has
anyone had interferon experience and seen their cats drop on the 
week off?

Any suggestions? I don't want to lose him. We are also giving him
prednisone, Pet Tinic and Dmg.

I don't think the URI cleared before they stopped his 
doxycycline...
Even though I expressed concern they said stop for now... I want to 
start
him again....any thoughts? I don't think his immune system needs 
this extra

stress! He was doing so well when he had the doxycycline.
Thank you.
Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438




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