Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-10-21 Thread paola cresti
message got too big and put on hold, trying again:






Hi yes, Thank you so much. There's a Sci-Fi book called The door into Summer 
and the title comes from the main character's having a cat and living in a 
house 
with lots of doors to the outside and when the weather's bad the cat has the 
owner open each door as he looks for the one that opens into summer.

I didn't intend to write so much in that email, but once I started it just kind 
of came pouring out - was sorry to post so much text, thank you for listening 
to 
those who read it.

Most of the time it works out ok with the cat-door (they're probably spoiled 
because of it) and luckily I live in Southern California, but when it rains and 
does get cold I close them in and then the whining starts.
I sometimes tease the main complainer and tell him oh you want my attention? 
so I pick him up and smother him for a while and put him on my lap. Strangely 
enough after the initial whining and pushing away from me with all his might, 
it 
does quiet him for a while (sometimes settles on my lap and sits there for a 
bit) - he's probably like ugh no more of THAT! ha  ha





From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 7:37:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

THIS IS FOR PAOLA I THINK - SOUNDS LIKE YOU LIVE AT MY HOUSE ITH THE IN AND 
OUT, 
INSIDE ALWAYS AND THE COMPLAINERS WHO DON'T GET WHAT THEY WANT.  FUN ISN'T IT.
 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 Thank you - will look next time we go.  We get the litter at WalMart and
 sometimes at Sam's Club if the other doesn't have it.  I will Google it
 tomorrow.  Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
 Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:04 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 OdoBan is available at Sam's and some WalMarts.  I can't say enough  
 good about it.  I prefer the vingar and water for regular cleaning.  
 It is safe and fairly inexpensive.  Google it ... the number of uses  
 and products it can replace is amazing.
 On Sep 23, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Natalie wrote:
 
  I haven't heard of OdoBan. There's also nature's Miracle, which has  
  been
  hyped...doesn't work so well.  I like 0-Odor (Zero Odor), and What
  Odor?, and Professor Amos' RIGHT AWAY - all safe for animals.  
  I've tried
  spraying 0-Odor in top of the litter and it really takes the smell
   away...but I usually sprinkle baking soda into the litter box after  
  I've
  scooped it; it refreshes and keeps the litter smelling better for a  
  lot
  longer.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
  Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:22 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
  It works great and so does OdoBan.
  On  Sep 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, paola cresti wrote:
 
  hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie.
 
 
 
 
 
  
  From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
  If you have pissy cats, as I do, I found that the best cleaner is
  a 50/50
  white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all
  surfaces with
  it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not  harmful to cats  
  and
  environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a
  1,000
  great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie
 
  ---rg/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-10-21 Thread Natalie
How about an outdoor enclosure where cats can go anytime through a cat door
and you would know that they're ALWAYS safe!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 3:54 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

message got too big and put on hold, trying again:






Hi yes, Thank you so much. There's a Sci-Fi book called The door into
Summer 
and the title comes from the main character's having a cat and living in a
house 
with lots of doors to the outside and when the weather's bad the cat has the

owner open each door as he looks for the one that opens into summer.

I didn't intend to write so much in that email, but once I started it just
kind 
of came pouring out - was sorry to post so much text, thank you for
listening to 
those who read it.

Most of the time it works out ok with the cat-door (they're probably spoiled

because of it) and luckily I live in Southern California, but when it rains
and 
does get cold I close them in and then the whining starts.
I sometimes tease the main complainer and tell him oh you want my
attention? 
so I pick him up and smother him for a while and put him on my lap.
Strangely 
enough after the initial whining and pushing away from me with all his
might, it 
does quiet him for a while (sometimes settles on my lap and sits there for a

bit) - he's probably like ugh no more of THAT! ha  ha





From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, September 27, 2010 7:37:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

THIS IS FOR PAOLA I THINK - SOUNDS LIKE YOU LIVE AT MY HOUSE ITH THE IN AND
OUT, 
INSIDE ALWAYS AND THE COMPLAINERS WHO DON'T GET WHAT THEY WANT.  FUN ISN'T
IT.
 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 Thank you - will look next time we go.  We get the litter at WalMart and
 sometimes at Sam's Club if the other doesn't have it.  I will Google it
 tomorrow.  Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
 Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:04 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 OdoBan is available at Sam's and some WalMarts.  I can't say enough  
 good about it.  I prefer the vingar and water for regular cleaning.  
 It is safe and fairly inexpensive.  Google it ... the number of uses  
 and products it can replace is amazing.
 On Sep 23, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Natalie wrote:
 
  I haven't heard of OdoBan. There's also nature's Miracle, which has  
  been
  hyped...doesn't work so well.  I like 0-Odor (Zero Odor), and What
  Odor?, and Professor Amos' RIGHT AWAY - all safe for animals.  
  I've tried
  spraying 0-Odor in top of the litter and it really takes the smell
   away...but I usually sprinkle baking soda into the litter box after  
  I've
  scooped it; it refreshes and keeps the litter smelling better for a  
  lot
  longer.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
  Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:22 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
  It works great and so does OdoBan.
  On  Sep 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, paola cresti wrote:
 
  hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie.
 
 
 
 
 
  
  From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
  If you have pissy cats, as I do, I found that the best cleaner is
  a 50/50
  white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all
  surfaces with
  it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not  harmful to cats  
  and
  environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a
  1,000
  great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie
 
  ---rg/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-10-21 Thread Natalie
It's interesting, but after we had this conversation about OdoBan last
week, I found a bottle of X-O in my vast arsenal of
odor-removing/neutralizing products, and used it on a very stubborn peed on
area - it worked immediately.  I don't know why the X-O was stuck in the
back - I truly believe it's the best one I've used so far.  It comes in
concentrated form.  There's a also a super concentrated cleaner made by X-O
- I am going back to it. I found a very inexpensive source online, if anyone
would like to try it. Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:01 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

late reply but I hadn't been reading my emails for a while and am jsut
catching 
up now.
thanks for this tip too, much appreciated.





From: Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, September 23, 2010 6:22:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

It works great and so does OdoBan.
On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, paola cresti wrote:

 hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 If you have pissy cats, as I do, I found that the best cleaner is a
50/50
 white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all surfaces with
 it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not harmful to cats and
 environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a 1,000
 great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti
 Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:00 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 
 
 Melinda,
 I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the city
away
 
 from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the street,
 small
 patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place is
 rather
 small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the patio) as
 they
 have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if I'm
 outside
 and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can get out
 easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me.  2 of
 them
 if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive... well
one
 
 meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and one is
 half
 feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but she's
 adopted the  patios of several neighbours so I always know where to find
 her.
 
 When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I close
 them
 in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc...
 
 Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room is the
 garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him. Call
him
 at
 intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up on and
I
 noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly because
 he's
 so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing the
door.
 Had
 to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I followed
 him
 out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while prior to
 taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual
walks
 like
 a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from where he's
 going
 and if I call him back.
 
 There  is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+ Angel
 (who
 is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just visit the
 outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before so once
 he
 took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady and
then
 took
 him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But somehow he got
 it
 and that was the last time he chased him.
 
 They're pretty smart and when they want to please you they figure out what
 you
 want from them if you can give them clear messages, and no cat wants to
 please
 you like a stray you took in, I'm sorry to say. It's so sweet, but it's so
 sad
 that they would be made to feel that way.
 
 Paola
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:04:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 I forgot to add that on our very small base there are no wild animals,
most
 strays are caught almost immediately ( Fuji is collared and chipped) and
the
 
 likelihood

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-10-21 Thread Beth
I have a friend who orders X-O in bulk on line  splits the cost/product with 
friends who pool their money. She swears by it.
Beth
Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   

--- On Thu, 10/21/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 9:27 AM

It's interesting, but after we had this conversation about OdoBan last
week, I found a bottle of X-O in my vast arsenal of
odor-removing/neutralizing products, and used it on a very stubborn peed on
area - it worked immediately.  I don't know why the X-O was stuck in the
back - I truly believe it's the best one I've used so far.  It comes in
concentrated form.  There's a also a super concentrated cleaner made by X-O
- I am going back to it. I found a very inexpensive source online, if anyone
would like to try it. Natalie





  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-10-21 Thread Natalie
Where does she get it?  I found the lowest prices here: also low shipping

http://www.amazon.com/X-O-Neutralizer-32-oz-Concentrate/dp/B0002XJ15U/ref=sr
_1_1?ie=UTF8s=home-gardenqid=1287254448sr=8-1-spell 
http://www.amazon.com/X-O-Corporation-Plus-Cleaner-gallon/dp/B00061MTES/ref=
pd_sbs_k_2 
http://www.amazon.com/X-Plus-Cleaner-32-Concentrate/dp/B0002XJ150/ref=pd_sbs
_k_1 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

I have a friend who orders X-O in bulk on line  splits the cost/product
with friends who pool their money. She swears by it.
Beth
Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   

--- On Thu, 10/21/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 9:27 AM

It's interesting, but after we had this conversation about OdoBan last
week, I found a bottle of X-O in my vast arsenal of
odor-removing/neutralizing products, and used it on a very stubborn peed on
area - it worked immediately.  I don't know why the X-O was stuck in the
back - I truly believe it's the best one I've used so far.  It comes in
concentrated form.  There's a also a super concentrated cleaner made by X-O
- I am going back to it. I found a very inexpensive source online, if anyone
would like to try it. Natalie





  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-10-20 Thread paola cresti
late reply but I hadn't been reading my emails for a while and am jsut catching 
up now.
thanks for this tip too, much appreciated.





From: Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, September 23, 2010 6:22:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

It works great and so does OdoBan.
On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, paola cresti wrote:

 hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 If you have pissy cats, as I do, I found that the best cleaner is a 50/50
 white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all surfaces with
 it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not harmful to cats and
 environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a 1,000
 great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti
 Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:00 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 
 
 Melinda,
 I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the city away
 
 from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the street,
 small
 patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place is
 rather
 small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the patio) as
 they
 have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if I'm
 outside
 and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can get out
 easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me.  2 of
 them
 if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive... well one
 
 meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and one is
 half
 feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but she's
 adopted the  patios of several neighbours so I always know where to find
 her.
 
 When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I close
 them
 in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc...
 
 Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room is the
 garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him. Call him
 at
 intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up on and I
 noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly because
 he's
 so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing the door.
 Had
 to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I followed
 him
 out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while prior to
 taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual walks
 like
 a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from where he's
 going
 and if I call him back.
 
 There  is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+ Angel
 (who
 is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just visit the
 outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before so once
 he
 took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady and then
 took
 him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But somehow he got
 it
 and that was the last time he chased him.
 
 They're pretty smart and when they want to please you they figure out what
 you
 want from them if you can give them clear messages, and no cat wants to
 please
 you like a stray you took in, I'm sorry to say. It's so sweet, but it's so
 sad
 that they would be made to feel that way.
 
 Paola
 
 
 
 
 
 From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:04:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 I forgot to add that on our very small base there are no wild animals, most
 strays are caught almost immediately ( Fuji is collared and chipped) and the
 
 likelihood of Fuji coming across and getting into a confrontation with
 another
 cat are very slim.  Most people who have cats brought them from the states
 and
 have already had them vaccinated.  Again, very few are actually let out.
 The
 speed limit on most of the base is less than 40 kilometers per hour (about
 25
 mph.)  I know there are a lot of things she can come across if she goes
 outside.  I'll probably keep trying to sit out with her as I have done since
 she
 got sick.  However, if she occasionally manages to escape my clutches, I
 won't
 worry too much!  She stays pretty close and always comes home in a couple of
 
 hours.  I really am trying to do my best to keep her healthy and happy.
 
 
 Thanks again for your input and concern.
 
 Melinda and  Fuji
 On Sep 18, 2010, at 6:49 AM

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-10-20 Thread paola cresti
hadn't heard of several of those, only been using nature's miracle nad it 
usually takes a lot of it (using it on clothes)

have used the baking soda for litter boxes, especially since I started using 
chicken feed, or also chicken/rabbit/small animal corn bedding, still waaay 
cheaper than any kitty litter, but I have a hard time with the corn smell



From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thu, September 23, 2010 6:56:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

I haven't heard of OdoBan. There's also nature's Miracle, which has been
hyped...doesn't work so well.  I like 0-Odor (Zero Odor), and What
Odor?, and Professor Amos' RIGHT AWAY - all safe for animals.  I've tried
spraying 0-Odor in top of the litter and it really takes the smell
away...but I usually sprinkle baking soda into the litter box after I've
scooped it; it refreshes and keeps the litter smelling better for a lot
longer. 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

It works great and so does OdoBan.
On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, paola cresti wrote:

 hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie.





 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

 If you have pissy cats, as I do, I found that the best cleaner is  
 a 50/50
 white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all  
 surfaces with
 it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not harmful to cats and
 environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a  
 1,000
 great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti
 Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:00 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia



 Melinda,
 I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the  
 city away

 from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the  
 street,
 small
 patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place is
 rather
 small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the  
 patio) as
 they
 have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if  
 I'm
 outside
 and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can  
 get out
 easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me.  
 2 of
 them
 if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive...  
 well one

 meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and  
 one is
 half
 feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but  
 she's
 adopted the  patios of several neighbours so I always know where to  
 find
 her.

 When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I  
 close
 them
 in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc...

 Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room  
 is the
 garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him.  
 Call him
 at
 intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up  
 on and I
 noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly  
 because
 he's
 so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing  
 the door.
 Had
 to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I  
 followed
 him
 out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while  
 prior to
 taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual  
 walks
 like
 a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from  
 where he's
 going
 and if I call him back.

 There  is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+  
 Angel
 (who
 is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just  
 visit the
 outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before  
 so once
 he
 took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady  
 and then
 took
 him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But somehow  
 he got
 it
 and that was the last time he chased him.

 They're pretty smart and when they want to please you they figure  
 out what
 you
 want from them if you can give them clear messages, and no cat wants  
 to
 please
 you like a stray you took in, I'm sorry to say. It's so sweet, but  
 it's so
 sad
 that they would be made to feel that way.

 Paola




 
 From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:04:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-27 Thread dlgegg
THIS IS FOR PAOLA I THINK - SOUNDS LIKE YOU LIVE AT MY HOUSE ITH THE IN AND 
OUT, INSIDE ALWAYS AND THE COMPLAINERS WHO DON'T GET WHAT THEY WANT.  FUN ISN'T 
IT.
 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 Thank you - will look next time we go.  We get the litter at WalMart and
 sometimes at Sam's Club if the other doesn't have it.  I will Google it
 tomorrow.  Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
 Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:04 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 OdoBan is available at Sam's and some WalMarts.  I can't say enough  
 good about it.  I prefer the vingar and water for regular cleaning.   
 It is safe and fairly inexpensive.  Google it ... the number of uses  
 and products it can replace is amazing.
 On Sep 23, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Natalie wrote:
 
  I haven't heard of OdoBan. There's also nature's Miracle, which has  
  been
  hyped...doesn't work so well.  I like 0-Odor (Zero Odor), and What
  Odor?, and Professor Amos' RIGHT AWAY - all safe for animals.   
  I've tried
  spraying 0-Odor in top of the litter and it really takes the smell
  away...but I usually sprinkle baking soda into the litter box after  
  I've
  scooped it; it refreshes and keeps the litter smelling better for a  
  lot
  longer.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
  Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:22 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
  It works great and so does OdoBan.
  On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, paola cresti wrote:
 
  hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie.
 
 
 
 
 
  
  From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
  If you have pissy cats, as I do, I found that the best cleaner is
  a 50/50
  white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all
  surfaces with
  it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not harmful to cats  
  and
  environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a
  1,000
  great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola  
  cresti
  Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:00 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 
 
  Melinda,
  I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the
  city away
 
  from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the
  street,
  small
  patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place  
  is
  rather
  small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the
  patio) as
  they
  have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if
  I'm
  outside
  and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can
  get out
  easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me.
  2 of
  them
  if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive...
  well one
 
  meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and
  one is
  half
  feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but
  she's
  adopted the  patios of several neighbours so I always know where to
  find
  her.
 
  When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I
  close
  them
  in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc...
 
  Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room
  is the
  garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him.
  Call him
  at
  intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up
  on and I
  noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly
  because
  he's
  so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing
  the door.
  Had
  to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I
  followed
  him
  out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while
  prior to
  taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual
  walks
  like
  a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from
  where he's
  going
  and if I call him back.
 
  There  is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+
  Angel
  (who
  is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just
  visit the
  outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before
  so once
  he
  took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady
  and then
  took
  him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But somehow
  he got

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-23 Thread paola cresti
hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie.






From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

If you have pissy cats, as I do, I found that the best cleaner is a 50/50
white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all surfaces with
it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not harmful to cats and
environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a 1,000
great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:00 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia



Melinda,
I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the city away

from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the street,
small 
patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place is
rather 
small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the patio) as
they 
have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if I'm
outside 
and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can get out 
easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me.  2 of
them 
if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive... well one

meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and one is
half 
feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but she's 
adopted the  patios of several neighbours so I always know where to find
her. 

When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I close
them 
in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc...

Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room is the 
garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him. Call him
at 
intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up on and I 
noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly because
he's 
so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing the door.
Had 
to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I followed
him 
out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while prior to 
taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual walks
like 
a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from where he's
going 
and if I call him back.

There  is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+ Angel
(who 
is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just visit the 
outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before so once
he 
took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady and then
took 
him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But somehow he got
it 
and that was the last time he chased him.

They're pretty smart and when they want to please you they figure out what
you 
want from them if you can give them clear messages, and no cat wants to
please 
you like a stray you took in, I'm sorry to say. It's so sweet, but it's so
sad 
that they would be made to feel that way.

Paola





From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:04:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

I forgot to add that on our very small base there are no wild animals, most 
strays are caught almost immediately ( Fuji is collared and chipped) and the

likelihood of Fuji coming across and getting into a confrontation with
another 
cat are very slim.  Most people who have cats brought them from the states
and 
have already had them vaccinated.  Again, very few are actually let out.
The 
speed limit on most of the base is less than 40 kilometers per hour (about
25 
mph.)  I know there are a lot of things she can come across if she goes 
outside.  I'll probably keep trying to sit out with her as I have done since
she 
got sick.  However, if she occasionally manages to escape my clutches, I
won't 
worry too much!  She stays pretty close and always comes home in a couple of

hours.  I really am trying to do my best to keep her healthy and happy.  


Thanks again for your input and concern.  

Melinda and  Fuji  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-23 Thread Cougar Clan

It works great and so does OdoBan.
On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, paola cresti wrote:


hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie.






From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

If you have pissy cats, as I do, I found that the best cleaner is  
a 50/50
white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all  
surfaces with

it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not harmful to cats and
environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a  
1,000

great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:00 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia



Melinda,
I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the  
city away


from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the  
street,

small
patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place is
rather
small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the  
patio) as

they
have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if  
I'm

outside
and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can  
get out
easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me.   
2 of

them
if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive...  
well one


meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and  
one is

half
feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but  
she's
adopted the  patios of several neighbours so I always know where to  
find

her.

When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I  
close

them
in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc...

Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room  
is the
garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him.  
Call him

at
intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up  
on and I
noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly  
because

he's
so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing  
the door.

Had
to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I  
followed

him
out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while  
prior to
taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual  
walks

like
a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from  
where he's

going
and if I call him back.

There  is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+  
Angel

(who
is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just  
visit the
outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before  
so once

he
took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady  
and then

took
him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But somehow  
he got

it
and that was the last time he chased him.

They're pretty smart and when they want to please you they figure  
out what

you
want from them if you can give them clear messages, and no cat wants  
to

please
you like a stray you took in, I'm sorry to say. It's so sweet, but  
it's so

sad
that they would be made to feel that way.

Paola





From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:04:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

I forgot to add that on our very small base there are no wild  
animals, most
strays are caught almost immediately ( Fuji is collared and chipped)  
and the


likelihood of Fuji coming across and getting into a confrontation with
another
cat are very slim.  Most people who have cats brought them from the  
states

and
have already had them vaccinated.  Again, very few are actually let  
out.

The
speed limit on most of the base is less than 40 kilometers per hour  
(about

25
mph.)  I know there are a lot of things she can come across if she  
goes
outside.  I'll probably keep trying to sit out with her as I have  
done since

she
got sick.  However, if she occasionally manages to escape my  
clutches, I

won't
worry too much!  She stays pretty close and always comes home in a  
couple of


hours.  I really am trying to do my best to keep her healthy and  
happy.



Thanks again for your input and concern.

Melinda and  Fuji
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-23 Thread Natalie
I haven't heard of OdoBan. There's also nature's Miracle, which has been
hyped...doesn't work so well.  I like 0-Odor (Zero Odor), and What
Odor?, and Professor Amos' RIGHT AWAY - all safe for animals.  I've tried
spraying 0-Odor in top of the litter and it really takes the smell
away...but I usually sprinkle baking soda into the litter box after I've
scooped it; it refreshes and keeps the litter smelling better for a lot
longer. 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

It works great and so does OdoBan.
On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, paola cresti wrote:

 hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie.





 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

 If you have pissy cats, as I do, I found that the best cleaner is  
 a 50/50
 white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all  
 surfaces with
 it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not harmful to cats and
 environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a  
 1,000
 great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti
 Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:00 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia



 Melinda,
 I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the  
 city away

 from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the  
 street,
 small
 patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place is
 rather
 small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the  
 patio) as
 they
 have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if  
 I'm
 outside
 and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can  
 get out
 easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me.   
 2 of
 them
 if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive...  
 well one

 meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and  
 one is
 half
 feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but  
 she's
 adopted the  patios of several neighbours so I always know where to  
 find
 her.

 When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I  
 close
 them
 in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc...

 Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room  
 is the
 garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him.  
 Call him
 at
 intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up  
 on and I
 noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly  
 because
 he's
 so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing  
 the door.
 Had
 to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I  
 followed
 him
 out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while  
 prior to
 taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual  
 walks
 like
 a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from  
 where he's
 going
 and if I call him back.

 There  is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+  
 Angel
 (who
 is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just  
 visit the
 outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before  
 so once
 he
 took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady  
 and then
 took
 him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But somehow  
 he got
 it
 and that was the last time he chased him.

 They're pretty smart and when they want to please you they figure  
 out what
 you
 want from them if you can give them clear messages, and no cat wants  
 to
 please
 you like a stray you took in, I'm sorry to say. It's so sweet, but  
 it's so
 sad
 that they would be made to feel that way.

 Paola




 
 From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:04:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

 I forgot to add that on our very small base there are no wild  
 animals, most
 strays are caught almost immediately ( Fuji is collared and chipped)  
 and the

 likelihood of Fuji coming across and getting into a confrontation with
 another
 cat are very slim.  Most people who have cats brought them from the  
 states
 and
 have already had them vaccinated.  Again, very few are actually let  
 out.
 The
 speed limit on most of the base is less than 40 kilometers per hour  
 (about
 25
 mph.)  I know there are a lot

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-23 Thread Cougar Clan
OdoBan is available at Sam's and some WalMarts.  I can't say enough  
good about it.  I prefer the vingar and water for regular cleaning.   
It is safe and fairly inexpensive.  Google it ... the number of uses  
and products it can replace is amazing.

On Sep 23, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Natalie wrote:

I haven't heard of OdoBan. There's also nature's Miracle, which has  
been

hyped...doesn't work so well.  I like 0-Odor (Zero Odor), and What
Odor?, and Professor Amos' RIGHT AWAY - all safe for animals.   
I've tried

spraying 0-Odor in top of the litter and it really takes the smell
away...but I usually sprinkle baking soda into the litter box after  
I've
scooped it; it refreshes and keeps the litter smelling better for a  
lot

longer.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

It works great and so does OdoBan.
On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, paola cresti wrote:


hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie.






From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

If you have pissy cats, as I do, I found that the best cleaner is
a 50/50
white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all
surfaces with
it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not harmful to cats  
and

environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a
1,000
great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola  
cresti

Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:00 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia



Melinda,
I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the
city away

from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the
street,
small
patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place  
is

rather
small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the
patio) as
they
have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if
I'm
outside
and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can
get out
easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me.
2 of
them
if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive...
well one

meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and
one is
half
feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but
she's
adopted the  patios of several neighbours so I always know where to
find
her.

When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I
close
them
in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc...

Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room
is the
garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him.
Call him
at
intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up
on and I
noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly
because
he's
so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing
the door.
Had
to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I
followed
him
out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while
prior to
taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual
walks
like
a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from
where he's
going
and if I call him back.

There  is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+
Angel
(who
is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just
visit the
outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before
so once
he
took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady
and then
took
him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But somehow
he got
it
and that was the last time he chased him.

They're pretty smart and when they want to please you they figure
out what
you
want from them if you can give them clear messages, and no cat wants
to
please
you like a stray you took in, I'm sorry to say. It's so sweet, but
it's so
sad
that they would be made to feel that way.

Paola





From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:04:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

I forgot to add that on our very small base there are no wild
animals, most
strays are caught almost immediately ( Fuji is collared and chipped)
and the

likelihood of Fuji coming across and getting into a confrontation  
with

another
cat are very slim.  Most people who have cats brought them from the
states
and
have already had them vaccinated.  Again, very few are actually let

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-23 Thread Natalie
Thank you - will look next time we go.  We get the litter at WalMart and
sometimes at Sam's Club if the other doesn't have it.  I will Google it
tomorrow.  Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

OdoBan is available at Sam's and some WalMarts.  I can't say enough  
good about it.  I prefer the vingar and water for regular cleaning.   
It is safe and fairly inexpensive.  Google it ... the number of uses  
and products it can replace is amazing.
On Sep 23, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Natalie wrote:

 I haven't heard of OdoBan. There's also nature's Miracle, which has  
 been
 hyped...doesn't work so well.  I like 0-Odor (Zero Odor), and What
 Odor?, and Professor Amos' RIGHT AWAY - all safe for animals.   
 I've tried
 spraying 0-Odor in top of the litter and it really takes the smell
 away...but I usually sprinkle baking soda into the litter box after  
 I've
 scooped it; it refreshes and keeps the litter smelling better for a  
 lot
 longer.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
 Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:22 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

 It works great and so does OdoBan.
 On Sep 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, paola cresti wrote:

 hadn't tried that one yet, thanks Natalie.





 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 6:10:02 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

 If you have pissy cats, as I do, I found that the best cleaner is
 a 50/50
 white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all
 surfaces with
 it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not harmful to cats  
 and
 environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a
 1,000
 great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola  
 cresti
 Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:00 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia



 Melinda,
 I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the
 city away

 from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the
 street,
 small
 patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place  
 is
 rather
 small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the
 patio) as
 they
 have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if
 I'm
 outside
 and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can
 get out
 easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me.
 2 of
 them
 if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive...
 well one

 meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and
 one is
 half
 feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but
 she's
 adopted the  patios of several neighbours so I always know where to
 find
 her.

 When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I
 close
 them
 in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc...

 Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room
 is the
 garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him.
 Call him
 at
 intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up
 on and I
 noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly
 because
 he's
 so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing
 the door.
 Had
 to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I
 followed
 him
 out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while
 prior to
 taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual
 walks
 like
 a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from
 where he's
 going
 and if I call him back.

 There  is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+
 Angel
 (who
 is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just
 visit the
 outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before
 so once
 he
 took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady
 and then
 took
 him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But somehow
 he got
 it
 and that was the last time he chased him.

 They're pretty smart and when they want to please you they figure
 out what
 you
 want from them if you can give them clear messages, and no cat wants
 to
 please
 you like a stray you took in, I'm sorry to say. It's so sweet, but
 it's so
 sad
 that they would be made to feel that way.

 Paola

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-22 Thread Natalie
If you have pissy cats, as I do, I found that the best cleaner is a 50/50
white vinegar/water mixture (in a spray bottle) - I wash all surfaces with
it, it's fresh-smelling, does a great job, and not harmful to cats and
environment. The vinegar odor dissipates very quickly. There are a 1,000
great uses for distilled white vinegar.Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of paola cresti
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:00 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia



Melinda,
I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the city away

from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the street,
small 
patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place is
rather 
small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the patio) as
they 
have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if I'm
outside 
and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can get out 
easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me.  2 of
them 
if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive... well one

meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and one is
half 
feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but she's 
adopted the  patios of several neighbours so I always know where to find
her. 

When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I close
them 
in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc...

Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room is the 
garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him. Call him
at 
intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up on and I 
noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly because
he's 
so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing the door.
Had 
to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I followed
him 
out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while prior to 
taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual walks
like 
a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from where he's
going 
and if I call him back.

There  is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+ Angel
(who 
is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just visit the 
outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before so once
he 
took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady and then
took 
him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But somehow he got
it 
and that was the last time he chased him.

They're pretty smart and when they want to please you they figure out what
you 
want from them if you can give them clear messages, and no cat wants to
please 
you like a stray you took in, I'm sorry to say. It's so sweet, but it's so
sad 
that they would be made to feel that way.

Paola





From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:04:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

I forgot to add that on our very small base there are no wild animals, most 
strays are caught almost immediately ( Fuji is collared and chipped) and the

likelihood of Fuji coming across and getting into a confrontation with
another 
cat are very slim.  Most people who have cats brought them from the states
and 
have already had them vaccinated.  Again, very few are actually let out.
The 
speed limit on most of the base is less than 40 kilometers per hour (about
25 
mph.)  I know there are a lot of things she can come across if she goes 
outside.  I'll probably keep trying to sit out with her as I have done since
she 
got sick.  However, if she occasionally manages to escape my clutches, I
won't 
worry too much!  She stays pretty close and always comes home in a couple of

hours.  I really am trying to do my best to keep her healthy and happy.  


Thanks again for your input and concern.  

Melinda and  Fuji  
On Sep 18, 2010, at 6:49 AM, Cougar Clan wrote:
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-21 Thread Sharyl
Bonnie,
It is always best to go slow.  After another week you could put Lucky in a 
carrier and set it in a room used by your other cats.  You could put the others 
in his room and let him roam the house for an hour or so.  That give them all a 
chance to get used to each others scent.  It would also give Lucky safe time to 
explore the rest of your home.  Here are some links you might want to read on 
introducing a new cat.

You can add Bach Rescue Remedy to everyone's water.  Feliway diffusers 
strategically placed around your home will help calm everyone.  

http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/cats/tips/introducing_new_cat.html

http://www.fourpaws.org/pages/adopting_pages/introducing_cats.html

http://www.aspcabehavior.org/articles/26/Introducing-Your-Cat-to-a-New-Cat.aspx

Sharyl

--- On Mon, 9/20/10, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:

 From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, September 20, 2010, 11:32 PM
 So here is a question about
 Integrating a New Cat
 I've got Lucky in the back bedroom.  The other 3 hear
 him meow.  Some even peer under the door and hiss at
 him.  So, what's next?  Just open the door and say
 Hello, everyone!?  Or maybe put a screen or fence up
 so they can see eachother for a few days?  It's been a
 week and I figured after another week it's time for poor
 Lucky to join the crowd (after everyone is vaccinated, of
 course).  I'm stressing out over what to do.
 Help?



  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-21 Thread Natalie
A screen is the best thing!  I installed a screen door between a bathroom
and another room, where newcomers get to know others, or it's used as a
sickroom.  That's the best way!
You can take a drop of vanilla, rub between your palms, and then touch all
cats on the sides of their faces where they have the facial pheromones.
They will all smell the same.  Right now, of course, it's also the visual
factor. Feliway spray also great, but costs . Good luck!  It will
happen.  I do it all the time, and now there are about 70 cats living in
coexistence, that doesn't mean that there are no little cliques of cats, no
disagreements, but they know their space!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
Importance: High

So here is a question about Integrating a New Cat
I've got Lucky in the back bedroom.  The other 3 hear him meow.  Some even 
peer under the door and hiss at him.  So, what's next?  Just open the door 
and say Hello, everyone!?  Or maybe put a screen or fence up so they can 
see eachother for a few days?  It's been a week and I figured after another 
week it's time for poor Lucky to join the crowd (after everyone is 
vaccinated, of course).  I'm stressing out over what to do.
Help?
- Original Message - 
From: dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


 THE FERALS I HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY ALL LIKE MY BED AND HAVE BECOME THE 
 BIGGEST LAP BABIES EVER.
  Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 I would advise the same...do not tempt fate by letting him out again. 
 Use
 some Feliway spray or plug-in to de-stress their/his environment!
 Re: feral cats - 90% of the cats that I trap are feral!  I don't release
 them; all of them adapt perfectly to living indoors - some have 
 absolutely
 no desire to use their outdoor enclosure, they must be so happy to have a
 roof over their heads! Most become tame and are adopted, for some it 
 happens
 too late and they're too old for anyone wanting them - couch potatoes,
 nonetheless!.Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
 Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:38 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 Importance: High

 Some will disagree but, if you can, keeping Lucky inside will help
 keep him healthy at his age even w/o the FeLV issue.  There are some
 ferals who hang out at Mom's that are in that age group and I worry
 about them. They can't be touched but are very wonderful cats.  I live
 trapped them to s/n but they would totally stress out in a house.
 Lucky has settled down into a house routine as some other ferals of
 mine have.  Don't tempt fate by letting him out again.  (MHO)



 On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

  Thanks, Tanya, that is helpful information.
  Lucky is between 11 and 13 yrs.  My other cats are: 14, 9 and 7.  I
  keep my cats _strictly_ indoors.   Lucky would have to adapt to that
  life, or show me he will stay only in my yard (which, at his age, he
  might do).  Thanks for the info on IFA -- I will request that.
  My main fears are(1) food and water dish sharing, and (2) litter box
  sharing.  I keep one box per cat, but that does not mean each cat
  uses its own box.  So I suspect there is box sharing.  And I know
  that they eat indiscriminately from the dishes.
  - Original Message - From: TANYA NOE 
  sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 
How old are your other cats? Cats develop some natural immunity
  with age. After the age of 1-3 they become less likely to develop
  FeLV. If vaccinated and over 3 the risk is there but small. How old
  is the cat that tested positive? If under a year there is a good
  chance the cats body can rid itself of the virus. I would wait 6
  weeks and retest the cat again regardless of age and see if it
  still shows positive. You can also do an IFA which tests to see if
  the virus has settled into the bone marrow. Once in the marrow it
  cannot be eliminated from the body.
 I have a 14 year old negative cat and a 2 year old positive cat.
  I do not separate them, there is still a small risk allowing them
  together but I vaccinate the negative one and cross my fingers. I
  don't know if I have ever seen anyone on here post that a neg
  turned pos from mixing, again though still a risk.
 
  Hope this helps,
  Tanya
 
  --- On Thu, 9/16/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
  From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-21 Thread Bonnie Hogue

Thanks, Sharyl.
I slept in Lucky's room with him last night -- he is still nocturnal and 
wakes me up throughout the night.  He slept good last night on the bed with 
me until 4 a.m.
This morning, after everyone had had breakfast, I brought Lucky out into the 
hallway (holding onto him).  My boy-cat Will got a good look, as did Miya 
the rehab'd feral.  Stormy has seen him before.  There was some general 
anxiety, but I figure, it's a start.  I'll get some feliway and try that 
too.  The worse part now is his meowing and pawing the door at night.  I'm 
exhausted!
- Original Message - 
From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 4:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia



Bonnie,
It is always best to go slow.  After another week you could put Lucky in a 
carrier and set it in a room used by your other cats.  You could put the 
others in his room and let him roam the house for an hour or so.  That 
give them all a chance to get used to each others scent.  It would also 
give Lucky safe time to explore the rest of your home.  Here are some 
links you might want to read on introducing a new cat.


You can add Bach Rescue Remedy to everyone's water.  Feliway diffusers 
strategically placed around your home will help calm everyone.


http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/cats/tips/introducing_new_cat.html

http://www.fourpaws.org/pages/adopting_pages/introducing_cats.html

http://www.aspcabehavior.org/articles/26/Introducing-Your-Cat-to-a-New-Cat.aspx

Sharyl

--- On Mon, 9/20/10, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:


From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, September 20, 2010, 11:32 PM
So here is a question about
Integrating a New Cat
I've got Lucky in the back bedroom. The other 3 hear
him meow. Some even peer under the door and hiss at
him. So, what's next? Just open the door and say
Hello, everyone!? Or maybe put a screen or fence up
so they can see eachother for a few days? It's been a
week and I figured after another week it's time for poor
Lucky to join the crowd (after everyone is vaccinated, of
course). I'm stressing out over what to do.
Help?






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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-21 Thread Bonnie Hogue

Awesome -- it gives me Hope!!!
- Original Message - 
From: Natalie at...@optonline.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 5:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia



A screen is the best thing!  I installed a screen door between a bathroom
and another room, where newcomers get to know others, or it's used as a
sickroom.  That's the best way!
You can take a drop of vanilla, rub between your palms, and then touch all
cats on the sides of their faces where they have the facial pheromones.
They will all smell the same.  Right now, of course, it's also the visual
factor. Feliway spray also great, but costs . Good luck!  It will
happen.  I do it all the time, and now there are about 70 cats living in
coexistence, that doesn't mean that there are no little cliques of cats, 
no

disagreements, but they know their space!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
Importance: High

So here is a question about Integrating a New Cat
I've got Lucky in the back bedroom.  The other 3 hear him meow.  Some even
peer under the door and hiss at him.  So, what's next?  Just open the door
and say Hello, everyone!?  Or maybe put a screen or fence up so they can
see eachother for a few days?  It's been a week and I figured after 
another

week it's time for poor Lucky to join the crowd (after everyone is
vaccinated, of course).  I'm stressing out over what to do.
Help?
- Original Message - 
From: dlg...@windstream.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia



THE FERALS I HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY ALL LIKE MY BED AND HAVE BECOME THE
BIGGEST LAP BABIES EVER.
 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

I would advise the same...do not tempt fate by letting him out again.
Use
some Feliway spray or plug-in to de-stress their/his environment!
Re: feral cats - 90% of the cats that I trap are feral!  I don't release
them; all of them adapt perfectly to living indoors - some have
absolutely
no desire to use their outdoor enclosure, they must be so happy to have 
a

roof over their heads! Most become tame and are adopted, for some it
happens
too late and they're too old for anyone wanting them - couch potatoes,
nonetheless!.Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
Importance: High

Some will disagree but, if you can, keeping Lucky inside will help
keep him healthy at his age even w/o the FeLV issue.  There are some
ferals who hang out at Mom's that are in that age group and I worry
about them. They can't be touched but are very wonderful cats.  I live
trapped them to s/n but they would totally stress out in a house.
Lucky has settled down into a house routine as some other ferals of
mine have.  Don't tempt fate by letting him out again.  (MHO)



On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

 Thanks, Tanya, that is helpful information.
 Lucky is between 11 and 13 yrs.  My other cats are: 14, 9 and 7.  I
 keep my cats _strictly_ indoors.   Lucky would have to adapt to that
 life, or show me he will stay only in my yard (which, at his age, he
 might do).  Thanks for the info on IFA -- I will request that.
 My main fears are(1) food and water dish sharing, and (2) litter box
 sharing.  I keep one box per cat, but that does not mean each cat
 uses its own box.  So I suspect there is box sharing.  And I know
 that they eat indiscriminately from the dishes.
 - Original Message - From: TANYA NOE
 sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com
 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


   How old are your other cats? Cats develop some natural immunity
 with age. After the age of 1-3 they become less likely to develop
 FeLV. If vaccinated and over 3 the risk is there but small. How old
 is the cat that tested positive? If under a year there is a good
 chance the cats body can rid itself of the virus. I would wait 6
 weeks and retest the cat again regardless of age and see if it
 still shows positive. You can also do an IFA which tests to see if
 the virus has settled into the bone marrow. Once in the marrow it
 cannot be eliminated from the body.
I have a 14 year old negative cat and a 2 year old positive cat.
 I do not separate them, there is still a small risk allowing them
 together but I vaccinate the negative one and cross my fingers. I
 don't know if I have ever seen anyone on here post that a neg
 turned pos from mixing, again though still a risk.

 Hope

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-21 Thread Cougar Clan
Check with your vet re the time the vaccinations need to be  
effective.  I suspect it is more than a week or two.  It has taken 6  
weeks for a dog and two cats to semi-make peace.  Don't rush it.  All  
that will happen is that everyone, including you, will be stressed  
out.  Take your time.  I know it is hard but do it for all your sakes.

On Sep 20, 2010, at 10:32 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:


So here is a question about Integrating a New Cat
I've got Lucky in the back bedroom.  The other 3 hear him meow.   
Some even peer under the door and hiss at him.  So, what's next?   
Just open the door and say Hello, everyone!?  Or maybe put a  
screen or fence up so they can see eachother for a few days?  It's  
been a week and I figured after another week it's time for poor  
Lucky to join the crowd (after everyone is vaccinated, of course).   
I'm stressing out over what to do.

Help?
- Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


THE FERALS I HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY ALL LIKE MY BED AND HAVE BECOME  
THE BIGGEST LAP BABIES EVER.

 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
I would advise the same...do not tempt fate by letting him out  
again. Use

some Feliway spray or plug-in to de-stress their/his environment!
Re: feral cats - 90% of the cats that I trap are feral!  I don't  
release
them; all of them adapt perfectly to living indoors - some have  
absolutely
no desire to use their outdoor enclosure, they must be so happy to  
have a
roof over their heads! Most become tame and are adopted, for some  
it happens
too late and they're too old for anyone wanting them - couch  
potatoes,

nonetheless!.Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar  
Clan

Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
Importance: High

Some will disagree but, if you can, keeping Lucky inside will help
keep him healthy at his age even w/o the FeLV issue.  There are some
ferals who hang out at Mom's that are in that age group and I worry
about them. They can't be touched but are very wonderful cats.  I  
live

trapped them to s/n but they would totally stress out in a house.
Lucky has settled down into a house routine as some other ferals of
mine have.  Don't tempt fate by letting him out again.  (MHO)



On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

 Thanks, Tanya, that is helpful information.
 Lucky is between 11 and 13 yrs.  My other cats are: 14, 9 and  
7.  I
 keep my cats _strictly_ indoors.   Lucky would have to adapt to  
that
 life, or show me he will stay only in my yard (which, at his  
age, he

 might do).  Thanks for the info on IFA -- I will request that.
 My main fears are(1) food and water dish sharing, and (2) litter  
box

 sharing.  I keep one box per cat, but that does not mean each cat
 uses its own box.  So I suspect there is box sharing.  And I  
know

 that they eat indiscriminately from the dishes.
 - Original Message - From: TANYA NOE  sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com
 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


   How old are your other cats? Cats develop some natural immunity
 with age. After the age of 1-3 they become less likely to develop
 FeLV. If vaccinated and over 3 the risk is there but small. How  
old

 is the cat that tested positive? If under a year there is a good
 chance the cats body can rid itself of the virus. I would wait 6
 weeks and retest the cat again regardless of age and see if it
 still shows positive. You can also do an IFA which tests to see  
if

 the virus has settled into the bone marrow. Once in the marrow it
 cannot be eliminated from the body.
I have a 14 year old negative cat and a 2 year old positive  
cat.

 I do not separate them, there is still a small risk allowing them
 together but I vaccinate the negative one and cross my fingers. I
 don't know if I have ever seen anyone on here post that a neg
 turned pos from mixing, again though still a risk.

 Hope this helps,
 Tanya

 --- On Thu, 9/16/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 2:55 PM
 All vaccines are only about 80%
 effectiveI really don't have much
 experience with this because I have two very healthy
 FeLV+ cats, living
 separately from others. But I would think that if
 retested, being only a
 weak positive, maybe the cat will be negative! It
 seems to have been
 really run down, the immune system was definitely
 compromised, fighting an
 infection, fleasGood luck! Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-21 Thread paola cresti


Melinda,
I feel your pain, I have in and out cats (live in a complex in the city away 
from any possible cat-predators and in a house recessed from the street, small 
patio but with a grassy green area in front of my unit) as my place is rather 
small and I have several cats. 2 are indoors only (or just the patio) as they 
have a hard time with the 5+ foot wooden fence, they only go out if I'm outside 
and when I got back in I call them and they come right in. One can get out 
easily but prefers staying in with mommy (his actual mommy) and me.  2 of them 
if I keep them in they will meow as if I was skinning them alive... well one 
meows the other constantly runs around looking for a way out, and one is half 
feral and feuding with my other females so is almost always out, but she's 
adopted the  patios of several neighbours so I always know where to find her. 

When it's bad weather and if I go on a trip (and have a catsitter) I close them 
in and suffer the consequences, ripped up stuff, peeing around etc...

Then I took in a little stray that turned out to be FeLV+. His room is the 
garage but when I'm home I let him in the house and supervise him. Call him at 
intervals, check where he is. He's gotten used to being checked up on and I 
noticed that I could do this with letting him outside too. Mostly because he's 
so quick and sneaky he managed to get out once when I was closing the door. Had 
to stop of I would have closed it on him (little daredevil) but I followed him 
out and not alarmed at all called him back and petted him a while prior to 
taking him back in. The result is I can take him out now for actual walks 
like 
a dog without a leash. He follows me if I change direction from where he's 
going 
and if I call him back.

There  is another feral cat outside that I feed and my little Felv+ Angel (who 
is really happy to have a home and doesn't want to leave... just visit the 
outdoors every now and then) probably was in feuds with him before so once he 
took off and chased him. I had to run after them like a crazy lady and then 
took 
him and uncerimoniously put him in the garage. No fuss. But somehow he got it 
and that was the last time he chased him.

They're pretty smart and when they want to please you they figure out what you 
want from them if you can give them clear messages, and no cat wants to please 
you like a stray you took in, I'm sorry to say. It's so sweet, but it's so sad 
that they would be made to feel that way.

Paola





From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, September 17, 2010 9:04:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

I forgot to add that on our very small base there are no wild animals, most 
strays are caught almost immediately ( Fuji is collared and chipped) and the 
likelihood of Fuji coming across and getting into a confrontation with another 
cat are very slim.  Most people who have cats brought them from the states and 
have already had them vaccinated.  Again, very few are actually let out.  The 
speed limit on most of the base is less than 40 kilometers per hour (about 25 
mph.)  I know there are a lot of things she can come across if she goes 
outside.  I'll probably keep trying to sit out with her as I have done since 
she 
got sick.  However, if she occasionally manages to escape my clutches, I won't 
worry too much!  She stays pretty close and always comes home in a couple of 
hours.  I really am trying to do my best to keep her healthy and happy.  


Thanks again for your input and concern.  

Melinda and  Fuji  
On Sep 18, 2010, at 6:49 AM, Cougar Clan wrote:
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-20 Thread dlgegg
THE FERALS I HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY ALL LIKE MY BED AND HAVE BECOME THE BIGGEST 
LAP BABIES EVER.  
 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: 
 I would advise the same...do not tempt fate by letting him out again.  Use
 some Feliway spray or plug-in to de-stress their/his environment!
 Re: feral cats - 90% of the cats that I trap are feral!  I don't release
 them; all of them adapt perfectly to living indoors - some have absolutely
 no desire to use their outdoor enclosure, they must be so happy to have a
 roof over their heads! Most become tame and are adopted, for some it happens
 too late and they're too old for anyone wanting them - couch potatoes,
 nonetheless!.Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
 Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:38 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 Importance: High
 
 Some will disagree but, if you can, keeping Lucky inside will help  
 keep him healthy at his age even w/o the FeLV issue.  There are some  
 ferals who hang out at Mom's that are in that age group and I worry  
 about them. They can't be touched but are very wonderful cats.  I live  
 trapped them to s/n but they would totally stress out in a house.   
 Lucky has settled down into a house routine as some other ferals of  
 mine have.  Don't tempt fate by letting him out again.  (MHO)
 
 
 
 On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:
 
  Thanks, Tanya, that is helpful information.
  Lucky is between 11 and 13 yrs.  My other cats are: 14, 9 and 7.  I  
  keep my cats _strictly_ indoors.   Lucky would have to adapt to that  
  life, or show me he will stay only in my yard (which, at his age, he  
  might do).  Thanks for the info on IFA -- I will request that.
  My main fears are(1) food and water dish sharing, and (2) litter box  
  sharing.  I keep one box per cat, but that does not mean each cat  
  uses its own box.  So I suspect there is box sharing.  And I know  
  that they eat indiscriminately from the dishes.
  - Original Message - From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 
How old are your other cats? Cats develop some natural immunity  
  with age. After the age of 1-3 they become less likely to develop  
  FeLV. If vaccinated and over 3 the risk is there but small. How old  
  is the cat that tested positive? If under a year there is a good  
  chance the cats body can rid itself of the virus. I would wait 6  
  weeks and retest the cat again regardless of age and see if it  
  still shows positive. You can also do an IFA which tests to see if  
  the virus has settled into the bone marrow. Once in the marrow it  
  cannot be eliminated from the body.
 I have a 14 year old negative cat and a 2 year old positive cat.  
  I do not separate them, there is still a small risk allowing them  
  together but I vaccinate the negative one and cross my fingers. I  
  don't know if I have ever seen anyone on here post that a neg  
  turned pos from mixing, again though still a risk.
 
  Hope this helps,
  Tanya
 
  --- On Thu, 9/16/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
  From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 2:55 PM
  All vaccines are only about 80%
  effectiveI really don't have much
  experience with this because I have two very healthy
  FeLV+ cats, living
  separately from others. But I would think that if
  retested, being only a
  weak positive, maybe the cat will be negative! It
  seems to have been
  really run down, the immune system was definitely
  compromised, fighting an
  infection, fleasGood luck! Natalie
 
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
  On Behalf Of Debbie Bates
  Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 1:23 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 
  Bonnie, it got through! Hang in there for just a
  bitthere are many
  extremely well informed members who will have any and all
  information you
  need! I am not dealing with any felv cats, but come
  here often so that I
  stay informed
 
  Debbie
  We choose our joys and sorrows long before we experience
  them. - Kahlil
  Gibran
 
 
 
   From: ho...@sonic.net
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:32:46 -0700
   Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
  
   This e-mail got bounced back to meam trying one
  more time.
   - Original Message -  From: Bonnie Hogue
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
   Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:37 PM
   Subject: New to Feline Leukemia
  
  
   It's a long story

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-20 Thread Bonnie Hogue

So here is a question about Integrating a New Cat
I've got Lucky in the back bedroom.  The other 3 hear him meow.  Some even 
peer under the door and hiss at him.  So, what's next?  Just open the door 
and say Hello, everyone!?  Or maybe put a screen or fence up so they can 
see eachother for a few days?  It's been a week and I figured after another 
week it's time for poor Lucky to join the crowd (after everyone is 
vaccinated, of course).  I'm stressing out over what to do.

Help?
- Original Message - 
From: dlg...@windstream.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


THE FERALS I HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY ALL LIKE MY BED AND HAVE BECOME THE 
BIGGEST LAP BABIES EVER.

 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
I would advise the same...do not tempt fate by letting him out again. 
Use

some Feliway spray or plug-in to de-stress their/his environment!
Re: feral cats - 90% of the cats that I trap are feral!  I don't release
them; all of them adapt perfectly to living indoors - some have 
absolutely

no desire to use their outdoor enclosure, they must be so happy to have a
roof over their heads! Most become tame and are adopted, for some it 
happens

too late and they're too old for anyone wanting them - couch potatoes,
nonetheless!.Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
Importance: High

Some will disagree but, if you can, keeping Lucky inside will help
keep him healthy at his age even w/o the FeLV issue.  There are some
ferals who hang out at Mom's that are in that age group and I worry
about them. They can't be touched but are very wonderful cats.  I live
trapped them to s/n but they would totally stress out in a house.
Lucky has settled down into a house routine as some other ferals of
mine have.  Don't tempt fate by letting him out again.  (MHO)



On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

 Thanks, Tanya, that is helpful information.
 Lucky is between 11 and 13 yrs.  My other cats are: 14, 9 and 7.  I
 keep my cats _strictly_ indoors.   Lucky would have to adapt to that
 life, or show me he will stay only in my yard (which, at his age, he
 might do).  Thanks for the info on IFA -- I will request that.
 My main fears are(1) food and water dish sharing, and (2) litter box
 sharing.  I keep one box per cat, but that does not mean each cat
 uses its own box.  So I suspect there is box sharing.  And I know
 that they eat indiscriminately from the dishes.
 - Original Message - From: TANYA NOE 
 sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com

 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


   How old are your other cats? Cats develop some natural immunity
 with age. After the age of 1-3 they become less likely to develop
 FeLV. If vaccinated and over 3 the risk is there but small. How old
 is the cat that tested positive? If under a year there is a good
 chance the cats body can rid itself of the virus. I would wait 6
 weeks and retest the cat again regardless of age and see if it
 still shows positive. You can also do an IFA which tests to see if
 the virus has settled into the bone marrow. Once in the marrow it
 cannot be eliminated from the body.
I have a 14 year old negative cat and a 2 year old positive cat.
 I do not separate them, there is still a small risk allowing them
 together but I vaccinate the negative one and cross my fingers. I
 don't know if I have ever seen anyone on here post that a neg
 turned pos from mixing, again though still a risk.

 Hope this helps,
 Tanya

 --- On Thu, 9/16/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 2:55 PM
 All vaccines are only about 80%
 effectiveI really don't have much
 experience with this because I have two very healthy
 FeLV+ cats, living
 separately from others. But I would think that if
 retested, being only a
 weak positive, maybe the cat will be negative! It
 seems to have been
 really run down, the immune system was definitely
 compromised, fighting an
 infection, fleasGood luck! Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Debbie Bates
 Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 1:23 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


 Bonnie, it got through! Hang in there for just a
 bitthere are many
 extremely well informed members who will have any and all
 information you
 need! I am not dealing with any felv cats, but come
 here often so that I
 stay

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-20 Thread Chris
Screen or baby gate for a few days is a great idea.  Let them sniff each
other without direct confrontation.  Try to let him explore the house by
himself at first and then slowly let them out together for a short while but
supervise.  Don't know if each has a sep food dish or place to eat--my 4
have 4 dishes and they sort of go to their corner in the kitchen at meal
time.  Of course, they then go cruising to see what might be left over in
each other's dish  I have one who always gets the short end of the stick.
Just watch that there are no tussles and that he doesn't get pushed away. I
have 2 boxes for my 4 and they just go in whichever one they want.  For the
new guy, just watch that nobody starts bullying him as he heads to a box.  I
have 2 water dishes and they go where they want.  I got a bunch of those
cheap donut kitty beds  have them around and each stakes one out for a
while and then moves on.  Bottom line, my suggestions really center around
not letting the new guy feel he has to fight for anything--food, water, the
box, your attention, etc.  And not letting him get pushed around by the old
ones.  And, in reverse, nipping in the bud any moves he makes to bully any
of the old one.  Last thought--sometimes, having a group treat time where
I sit on the floor and they all come running to get some treats I hand out.
I sometimes do that when I notice one or the other is particularly testy.
But of course, they're cats and they all have their days just like we do!


Christiane Biagi
ti...@mindspring.com 


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
Importance: High

So here is a question about Integrating a New Cat
I've got Lucky in the back bedroom.  The other 3 hear him meow.  Some even 
peer under the door and hiss at him.  So, what's next?  Just open the door 
and say Hello, everyone!?  Or maybe put a screen or fence up so they can 
see eachother for a few days?  It's been a week and I figured after another 
week it's time for poor Lucky to join the crowd (after everyone is 
vaccinated, of course).  I'm stressing out over what to do.
Help?
- Original Message - 
From: dlg...@windstream.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


 THE FERALS I HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY ALL LIKE MY BED AND HAVE BECOME THE 
 BIGGEST LAP BABIES EVER.
  Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 I would advise the same...do not tempt fate by letting him out again. 
 Use
 some Feliway spray or plug-in to de-stress their/his environment!
 Re: feral cats - 90% of the cats that I trap are feral!  I don't release
 them; all of them adapt perfectly to living indoors - some have 
 absolutely
 no desire to use their outdoor enclosure, they must be so happy to have a
 roof over their heads! Most become tame and are adopted, for some it 
 happens
 too late and they're too old for anyone wanting them - couch potatoes,
 nonetheless!.Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
 Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:38 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 Importance: High

 Some will disagree but, if you can, keeping Lucky inside will help
 keep him healthy at his age even w/o the FeLV issue.  There are some
 ferals who hang out at Mom's that are in that age group and I worry
 about them. They can't be touched but are very wonderful cats.  I live
 trapped them to s/n but they would totally stress out in a house.
 Lucky has settled down into a house routine as some other ferals of
 mine have.  Don't tempt fate by letting him out again.  (MHO)



 On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

  Thanks, Tanya, that is helpful information.
  Lucky is between 11 and 13 yrs.  My other cats are: 14, 9 and 7.  I
  keep my cats _strictly_ indoors.   Lucky would have to adapt to that
  life, or show me he will stay only in my yard (which, at his age, he
  might do).  Thanks for the info on IFA -- I will request that.
  My main fears are(1) food and water dish sharing, and (2) litter box
  sharing.  I keep one box per cat, but that does not mean each cat
  uses its own box.  So I suspect there is box sharing.  And I know
  that they eat indiscriminately from the dishes.
  - Original Message - From: TANYA NOE 
  sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 
How old are your other cats? Cats develop some natural immunity
  with age. After the age of 1-3 they become less likely to develop
  FeLV. If vaccinated and over 3 the risk is there but small. How

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-20 Thread Bonnie Hogue

Excellent suggestions, Christiane.  I thank you!
- Original Message - 
From: Chris ti...@mindspring.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia



Screen or baby gate for a few days is a great idea.  Let them sniff each
other without direct confrontation.  Try to let him explore the house by
himself at first and then slowly let them out together for a short while 
but

supervise.  Don't know if each has a sep food dish or place to eat--my 4
have 4 dishes and they sort of go to their corner in the kitchen at meal
time.  Of course, they then go cruising to see what might be left over in
each other's dish  I have one who always gets the short end of the stick.
Just watch that there are no tussles and that he doesn't get pushed away. 
I
have 2 boxes for my 4 and they just go in whichever one they want.  For 
the
new guy, just watch that nobody starts bullying him as he heads to a box. 
I

have 2 water dishes and they go where they want.  I got a bunch of those
cheap donut kitty beds  have them around and each stakes one out for a
while and then moves on.  Bottom line, my suggestions really center around
not letting the new guy feel he has to fight for anything--food, water, 
the
box, your attention, etc.  And not letting him get pushed around by the 
old

ones.  And, in reverse, nipping in the bud any moves he makes to bully any
of the old one.  Last thought--sometimes, having a group treat time 
where
I sit on the floor and they all come running to get some treats I hand 
out.

I sometimes do that when I notice one or the other is particularly testy.
But of course, they're cats and they all have their days just like we 
do!



Christiane Biagi
ti...@mindspring.com


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
Importance: High

So here is a question about Integrating a New Cat
I've got Lucky in the back bedroom.  The other 3 hear him meow.  Some even
peer under the door and hiss at him.  So, what's next?  Just open the door
and say Hello, everyone!?  Or maybe put a screen or fence up so they can
see eachother for a few days?  It's been a week and I figured after 
another

week it's time for poor Lucky to join the crowd (after everyone is
vaccinated, of course).  I'm stressing out over what to do.
Help?
- Original Message - 
From: dlg...@windstream.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia



THE FERALS I HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY ALL LIKE MY BED AND HAVE BECOME THE
BIGGEST LAP BABIES EVER.
 Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

I would advise the same...do not tempt fate by letting him out again.
Use
some Feliway spray or plug-in to de-stress their/his environment!
Re: feral cats - 90% of the cats that I trap are feral!  I don't release
them; all of them adapt perfectly to living indoors - some have
absolutely
no desire to use their outdoor enclosure, they must be so happy to have 
a

roof over their heads! Most become tame and are adopted, for some it
happens
too late and they're too old for anyone wanting them - couch potatoes,
nonetheless!.Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
Importance: High

Some will disagree but, if you can, keeping Lucky inside will help
keep him healthy at his age even w/o the FeLV issue.  There are some
ferals who hang out at Mom's that are in that age group and I worry
about them. They can't be touched but are very wonderful cats.  I live
trapped them to s/n but they would totally stress out in a house.
Lucky has settled down into a house routine as some other ferals of
mine have.  Don't tempt fate by letting him out again.  (MHO)



On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

 Thanks, Tanya, that is helpful information.
 Lucky is between 11 and 13 yrs.  My other cats are: 14, 9 and 7.  I
 keep my cats _strictly_ indoors.   Lucky would have to adapt to that
 life, or show me he will stay only in my yard (which, at his age, he
 might do).  Thanks for the info on IFA -- I will request that.
 My main fears are(1) food and water dish sharing, and (2) litter box
 sharing.  I keep one box per cat, but that does not mean each cat
 uses its own box.  So I suspect there is box sharing.  And I know
 that they eat indiscriminately from the dishes.
 - Original Message - From: TANYA NOE
 sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com
 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-18 Thread Cougar Clan
Can you fix a window perch for her?  A box with screened sides and a  
top that would fit in one of your windows that she could use when the  
weather is right?

On Sep 17, 2010, at 11:04 PM, Melinda Kerr wrote:

I forgot to add that on our very small base there are no wild  
animals, most strays are caught almost immediately ( Fuji is  
collared and chipped) and the likelihood of Fuji coming across and  
getting into a confrontation with another cat are very slim.  Most  
people who have cats brought them from the states and have already  
had them vaccinated.  Again, very few are actually let out.  The  
speed limit on most of the base is less than 40 kilometers per hour  
(about 25 mph.)  I know there are a lot of things she can come  
across if she goes outside.  I'll probably keep trying to sit out  
with her as I have done since she got sick.  However, if she  
occasionally manages to escape my clutches, I won't worry too much!   
She stays pretty close and always comes home in a couple of hours.   
I really am trying to do my best to keep her healthy and happy.


Thanks again for your input and concern.

Melinda and Fuji
On Sep 18, 2010, at 6:49 AM, Cougar Clan wrote:

Suggestion:  Fix her a secure kennel outside.  I put up a 12x12x6  
foot kennel with a topper (anything, including a tarp, will work.   
I used left over chain link).  Daddy had a piece of ductwork fixed  
so Ebony and Mi Tu could go to a window in a bath, go through a pet  
door, walk out in the ductwork and down a ramp into a kennel fitted  
with plastic milk crates and other toys.   Both cats were FeLV-,  
healthy and wonderful.  Ebony had been a street cat until about age  
3 +.  He became a yard cat then an inside outside cat then he and I  
moved and he needed to be an inside cat with a play area.  The cost  
was less than $300 and I rested secure in the knowledge that Ebony  
(who was getting older) and Mi Tu (who had never lived inside) had  
a safe place to go.


If you just let her go you are endangering other cats she may come  
into contact with.  You may be subjecting her to a painful death  
too.  If she becomes sick, other animals will prey on her.  I'll  
leave the details to you.  I don't tell you this to scare you but  
to be sure you realize what you may be doing.  Dixie was grown when  
she can into my life.  She was FeLV+ and very alone.  She became a  
garage cat then a house trailer cat then a two house cat who had  
everything.  I thought about just letting her go but could not do  
that to the other cats that depended on me...nor could I face  
what might happen to her.  We live in the country with dogs,  
coyotes, hawks and.well, you get the idea.


With a lot of stress-reducers, your little one will adjust.   
Actually, getting a companion who is FELV+ may be the best answer.



On Sep 17, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Melinda Kerr wrote:


Hello all,

I haven't really posted much and I've never actually shared my  
story.  I will be brief now and say that I have a 15 month young  
kitty who is FeLV positive and receiving Chemo for mediastinal  
lymphoma.  The problem is, she doesn't know that she is supposed  
to be sick.  At this time there are no outward signs of illness.   
She was allowed outside for a couple of hours at a time, never  
overnight and always staying close to home.  Now, I try to limit  
her to outside time with close supervision.  However, she has  
started to push the boundaries and is running and hiding from me.   
I know she is trying to play with me and alleviate some of her  
boredom.  She spends the day begging to go out, crying meee  
u, all day long.  She races us to the door and bites at  
our ankles to try to get out.  I'm faced with the decision of  
just letting her go because her quality of life seems to depend  
on it.  She is otherwise quite content.  I am leaning toward  
giving her more outside time and dealing with the consequences.   
Her chances at a long life are very limited anyway and I feel that  
I should try to make her happy.


Am I wrong to feel this way?

Melinda and Fuji

On Sep 18, 2010, at 2:52 AM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

Yes, Natalie.  I have one little lady who is a rehabilitated  
feral.  She raised a litter of kittens down by the creek.  Some  
kind people trapped them and found homes for thekittens, but no  
one wanted mama cat.  She's a lovely brushed coat calico.  She is  
sweet as pie, and Never offers to run out the door.  The look she  
gives is, Been there, done that, don't want it!  She has her  
quirks (who doesn't?) but is a very loving companion.

- Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


I would advise the same...do not tempt fate by letting him out  
again.  Use

some Feliway spray or plug-in to de-stress their/his environment!
Re: feral cats - 90% of the cats that I trap are feral!  I don't

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-18 Thread Natalie
Before we built our outdoor cat enclosures, I used an old air conditioner
sleeve, which I enclosed with wire hardware cloth (1/4).

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 4:41 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

Can you fix a window perch for her?  A box with screened sides and a  
top that would fit in one of your windows that she could use when the  
weather is right?
On Sep 17, 2010, at 11:04 PM, Melinda Kerr wrote:

 I forgot to add that on our very small base there are no wild  
 animals, most strays are caught almost immediately ( Fuji is  
 collared and chipped) and the likelihood of Fuji coming across and  
 getting into a confrontation with another cat are very slim.  Most  
 people who have cats brought them from the states and have already  
 had them vaccinated.  Again, very few are actually let out.  The  
 speed limit on most of the base is less than 40 kilometers per hour  
 (about 25 mph.)  I know there are a lot of things she can come  
 across if she goes outside.  I'll probably keep trying to sit out  
 with her as I have done since she got sick.  However, if she  
 occasionally manages to escape my clutches, I won't worry too much!   
 She stays pretty close and always comes home in a couple of hours.   
 I really am trying to do my best to keep her healthy and happy.

 Thanks again for your input and concern.

 Melinda and Fuji
 On Sep 18, 2010, at 6:49 AM, Cougar Clan wrote:

 Suggestion:  Fix her a secure kennel outside.  I put up a 12x12x6  
 foot kennel with a topper (anything, including a tarp, will work.   
 I used left over chain link).  Daddy had a piece of ductwork fixed  
 so Ebony and Mi Tu could go to a window in a bath, go through a pet  
 door, walk out in the ductwork and down a ramp into a kennel fitted  
 with plastic milk crates and other toys.   Both cats were FeLV-,  
 healthy and wonderful.  Ebony had been a street cat until about age  
 3 +.  He became a yard cat then an inside outside cat then he and I  
 moved and he needed to be an inside cat with a play area.  The cost  
 was less than $300 and I rested secure in the knowledge that Ebony  
 (who was getting older) and Mi Tu (who had never lived inside) had  
 a safe place to go.

 If you just let her go you are endangering other cats she may come  
 into contact with.  You may be subjecting her to a painful death  
 too.  If she becomes sick, other animals will prey on her.  I'll  
 leave the details to you.  I don't tell you this to scare you but  
 to be sure you realize what you may be doing.  Dixie was grown when  
 she can into my life.  She was FeLV+ and very alone.  She became a  
 garage cat then a house trailer cat then a two house cat who had  
 everything.  I thought about just letting her go but could not do  
 that to the other cats that depended on me...nor could I face  
 what might happen to her.  We live in the country with dogs,  
 coyotes, hawks and.well, you get the idea.

 With a lot of stress-reducers, your little one will adjust.   
 Actually, getting a companion who is FELV+ may be the best answer.


 On Sep 17, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Melinda Kerr wrote:

 Hello all,

 I haven't really posted much and I've never actually shared my  
 story.  I will be brief now and say that I have a 15 month young  
 kitty who is FeLV positive and receiving Chemo for mediastinal  
 lymphoma.  The problem is, she doesn't know that she is supposed  
 to be sick.  At this time there are no outward signs of illness.   
 She was allowed outside for a couple of hours at a time, never  
 overnight and always staying close to home.  Now, I try to limit  
 her to outside time with close supervision.  However, she has  
 started to push the boundaries and is running and hiding from me.   
 I know she is trying to play with me and alleviate some of her  
 boredom.  She spends the day begging to go out, crying meee  
 u, all day long.  She races us to the door and bites at  
 our ankles to try to get out.  I'm faced with the decision of  
 just letting her go because her quality of life seems to depend  
 on it.  She is otherwise quite content.  I am leaning toward  
 giving her more outside time and dealing with the consequences.   
 Her chances at a long life are very limited anyway and I feel that  
 I should try to make her happy.

 Am I wrong to feel this way?

 Melinda and Fuji

 On Sep 18, 2010, at 2:52 AM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

 Yes, Natalie.  I have one little lady who is a rehabilitated  
 feral.  She raised a litter of kittens down by the creek.  Some  
 kind people trapped them and found homes for thekittens, but no  
 one wanted mama cat.  She's a lovely brushed coat calico.  She is  
 sweet as pie, and Never offers to run out the door.  The look she  
 gives is, Been there, done that, don't want it!  She has

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-18 Thread Sharyl
A safer option might be to order Fiji a harness and taking her for walks.  It's 
pretty hard to walk a cat with a collar but a harness is pretty safe.  You;d 
have to put it on her a few times inside 1st so she got used to it.  Then she 
could safely explore the great outdoors.  By the way you don't walk a cat.  
They walk you.  LOL

Mattie, my blind FeLV kitty loved going outside and exploring.  I used a 
harness and one of those retractable leashes.
Sharyl


 On Sep 17, 2010, at 11:04 PM, Melinda Kerr wrote:
 
  I forgot to add that on our very small base there are
 no wild animals, most strays are caught almost immediately (
 Fuji is collared and chipped) and the likelihood of Fuji
 coming across and getting into a confrontation with another
 cat are very slim.  Most people who have cats brought
 them from the states and have already had them
 vaccinated.  Again, very few are actually let
 out.  The speed limit on most of the base is less than
 40 kilometers per hour (about 25 mph.)  I know there
 are a lot of things she can come across if she goes
 outside.  I'll probably keep trying to sit out with her
 as I have done since she got sick.  However, if she
 occasionally manages to escape my clutches, I won't worry
 too much!  She stays pretty close and always comes home
 in a couple of hours.  I really am trying to do my best
 to keep her healthy and happy.
  
  Thanks again for your input and concern.
  
  Melinda and Fuji



  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-18 Thread Natalie
We adopted a kitten when we lived in Sweden years ago. We walked her on a
leash in a park across the street, and either my husband or I had to walk in
front of her, and Tita would follow.  She loved watching the birds that were
in the aviaries in the park.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 11:39 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

A safer option might be to order Fiji a harness and taking her for walks.
It's pretty hard to walk a cat with a collar but a harness is pretty safe.
You;d have to put it on her a few times inside 1st so she got used to it.
Then she could safely explore the great outdoors.  By the way you don't walk
a cat.  They walk you.  LOL

Mattie, my blind FeLV kitty loved going outside and exploring.  I used a
harness and one of those retractable leashes.
Sharyl


 On Sep 17, 2010, at 11:04 PM, Melinda Kerr wrote:
 
  I forgot to add that on our very small base there are
 no wild animals, most strays are caught almost immediately (
 Fuji is collared and chipped) and the likelihood of Fuji
 coming across and getting into a confrontation with another
 cat are very slim.  Most people who have cats brought
 them from the states and have already had them
 vaccinated.  Again, very few are actually let
 out.  The speed limit on most of the base is less than
 40 kilometers per hour (about 25 mph.)  I know there
 are a lot of things she can come across if she goes
 outside.  I'll probably keep trying to sit out with her
 as I have done since she got sick.  However, if she
 occasionally manages to escape my clutches, I won't worry
 too much!  She stays pretty close and always comes home
 in a couple of hours.  I really am trying to do my best
 to keep her healthy and happy.
  
  Thanks again for your input and concern.
  
  Melinda and Fuji



  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-17 Thread Cougar Clan
Some will disagree but, if you can, keeping Lucky inside will help  
keep him healthy at his age even w/o the FeLV issue.  There are some  
ferals who hang out at Mom's that are in that age group and I worry  
about them. They can't be touched but are very wonderful cats.  I live  
trapped them to s/n but they would totally stress out in a house.   
Lucky has settled down into a house routine as some other ferals of  
mine have.  Don't tempt fate by letting him out again.  (MHO)




On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:


Thanks, Tanya, that is helpful information.
Lucky is between 11 and 13 yrs.  My other cats are: 14, 9 and 7.  I  
keep my cats _strictly_ indoors.   Lucky would have to adapt to that  
life, or show me he will stay only in my yard (which, at his age, he  
might do).  Thanks for the info on IFA -- I will request that.
My main fears are(1) food and water dish sharing, and (2) litter box  
sharing.  I keep one box per cat, but that does not mean each cat  
uses its own box.  So I suspect there is box sharing.  And I know  
that they eat indiscriminately from the dishes.
- Original Message - From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com 


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


  How old are your other cats? Cats develop some natural immunity  
with age. After the age of 1-3 they become less likely to develop  
FeLV. If vaccinated and over 3 the risk is there but small. How old  
is the cat that tested positive? If under a year there is a good  
chance the cats body can rid itself of the virus. I would wait 6  
weeks and retest the cat again regardless of age and see if it  
still shows positive. You can also do an IFA which tests to see if  
the virus has settled into the bone marrow. Once in the marrow it  
cannot be eliminated from the body.
   I have a 14 year old negative cat and a 2 year old positive cat.  
I do not separate them, there is still a small risk allowing them  
together but I vaccinate the negative one and cross my fingers. I  
don't know if I have ever seen anyone on here post that a neg  
turned pos from mixing, again though still a risk.


Hope this helps,
Tanya

--- On Thu, 9/16/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:


From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 2:55 PM
All vaccines are only about 80%
effectiveI really don't have much
experience with this because I have two very healthy
FeLV+ cats, living
separately from others. But I would think that if
retested, being only a
weak positive, maybe the cat will be negative! It
seems to have been
really run down, the immune system was definitely
compromised, fighting an
infection, fleasGood luck! Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
On Behalf Of Debbie Bates
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 1:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


Bonnie, it got through! Hang in there for just a
bitthere are many
extremely well informed members who will have any and all
information you
need! I am not dealing with any felv cats, but come
here often so that I
stay informed

Debbie
We choose our joys and sorrows long before we experience
them. - Kahlil
Gibran



 From: ho...@sonic.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:32:46 -0700
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

 This e-mail got bounced back to meam trying one
more time.
 - Original Message -  From: Bonnie Hogue
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:37 PM
 Subject: New to Feline Leukemia


 It's a long story, but I'll shorten it...
 My mom has a heart cat named Lucky. She's disabled
and no longer living
at home. Her sister was caring for Lucky, but herself is
unwell and
struggling. I went over to feed the cats during her
hospitalization and
Lucky did not look good. I took him to the vet: bad fleas,
possible infected
eye and nose, and tested weak positive for feline
leukemia. This makes my
plan of integrating him into my 3-cat household a real
challenge. The vet
said I could get my three cats vaccinated providing 80%
protection...
Meanwhile, Lucky is sequestered in the spare bedroom,
taking antibiotics
(what a good cat!) and healing. I'm trying to figure out
how to make this
work, longer term.
 Ideas???
 Thank you!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-17 Thread Natalie
I would advise the same...do not tempt fate by letting him out again.  Use
some Feliway spray or plug-in to de-stress their/his environment!
Re: feral cats - 90% of the cats that I trap are feral!  I don't release
them; all of them adapt perfectly to living indoors - some have absolutely
no desire to use their outdoor enclosure, they must be so happy to have a
roof over their heads! Most become tame and are adopted, for some it happens
too late and they're too old for anyone wanting them - couch potatoes,
nonetheless!.Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
Importance: High

Some will disagree but, if you can, keeping Lucky inside will help  
keep him healthy at his age even w/o the FeLV issue.  There are some  
ferals who hang out at Mom's that are in that age group and I worry  
about them. They can't be touched but are very wonderful cats.  I live  
trapped them to s/n but they would totally stress out in a house.   
Lucky has settled down into a house routine as some other ferals of  
mine have.  Don't tempt fate by letting him out again.  (MHO)



On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

 Thanks, Tanya, that is helpful information.
 Lucky is between 11 and 13 yrs.  My other cats are: 14, 9 and 7.  I  
 keep my cats _strictly_ indoors.   Lucky would have to adapt to that  
 life, or show me he will stay only in my yard (which, at his age, he  
 might do).  Thanks for the info on IFA -- I will request that.
 My main fears are(1) food and water dish sharing, and (2) litter box  
 sharing.  I keep one box per cat, but that does not mean each cat  
 uses its own box.  So I suspect there is box sharing.  And I know  
 that they eat indiscriminately from the dishes.
 - Original Message - From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com 
 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


   How old are your other cats? Cats develop some natural immunity  
 with age. After the age of 1-3 they become less likely to develop  
 FeLV. If vaccinated and over 3 the risk is there but small. How old  
 is the cat that tested positive? If under a year there is a good  
 chance the cats body can rid itself of the virus. I would wait 6  
 weeks and retest the cat again regardless of age and see if it  
 still shows positive. You can also do an IFA which tests to see if  
 the virus has settled into the bone marrow. Once in the marrow it  
 cannot be eliminated from the body.
I have a 14 year old negative cat and a 2 year old positive cat.  
 I do not separate them, there is still a small risk allowing them  
 together but I vaccinate the negative one and cross my fingers. I  
 don't know if I have ever seen anyone on here post that a neg  
 turned pos from mixing, again though still a risk.

 Hope this helps,
 Tanya

 --- On Thu, 9/16/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 2:55 PM
 All vaccines are only about 80%
 effectiveI really don't have much
 experience with this because I have two very healthy
 FeLV+ cats, living
 separately from others. But I would think that if
 retested, being only a
 weak positive, maybe the cat will be negative! It
 seems to have been
 really run down, the immune system was definitely
 compromised, fighting an
 infection, fleasGood luck! Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Debbie Bates
 Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 1:23 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


 Bonnie, it got through! Hang in there for just a
 bitthere are many
 extremely well informed members who will have any and all
 information you
 need! I am not dealing with any felv cats, but come
 here often so that I
 stay informed

 Debbie
 We choose our joys and sorrows long before we experience
 them. - Kahlil
 Gibran



  From: ho...@sonic.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:32:46 -0700
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
  This e-mail got bounced back to meam trying one
 more time.
  - Original Message -  From: Bonnie Hogue
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:37 PM
  Subject: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 
  It's a long story, but I'll shorten it...
  My mom has a heart cat named Lucky. She's disabled
 and no longer living
 at home. Her sister was caring for Lucky, but herself is
 unwell and
 struggling. I went over to feed the cats during her
 hospitalization and
 Lucky did not look

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-17 Thread Chris
Since my Tucson was not diagnosed until years after I brought her in, I
opted to leave her mixed with my neg cats.  I had the other 3 vaccinated (2
shots).  They had all been sharing boxes, dishes, groomed each other, had
the occasional spats, etc. and none were pos.  I believe its much harder for
adult cats to develop this condition--actually, it's the pos cat who's most
at risk of getting sniffles, etc from the other cats.  But if you keep them
inside  continue the good care, that wouldn't be a big issue.

As for turning Lucky into an inside cat--I brought my Romeo in after he'd
been out on the street for years.  From the point that he discovered my bed,
he never looked back.  He wouldn't even sit at the window to look outside or
run into my hallway like my others do.  Its as though he said been
there--done that and was now ready for the good life.  I suspect that
Lucky's at that point

Christiane Biagi
ti...@mindspring.com 


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 12:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
Importance: High

Thanks, Tanya, that is helpful information.
Lucky is between 11 and 13 yrs.  My other cats are: 14, 9 and 7.  I keep my 
cats _strictly_ indoors.   Lucky would have to adapt to that life, or show 
me he will stay only in my yard (which, at his age, he might do).  Thanks 
for the info on IFA -- I will request that.
My main fears are(1) food and water dish sharing, and (2) litter box 
sharing.  I keep one box per cat, but that does not mean each cat uses its 
own box.  So I suspect there is box sharing.  And I know that they eat 
indiscriminately from the dishes.
- Original Message - 
From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


How old are your other cats? Cats develop some natural immunity with 
 age. After the age of 1-3 they become less likely to develop FeLV. If 
 vaccinated and over 3 the risk is there but small. How old is the cat that

 tested positive? If under a year there is a good chance the cats body can 
 rid itself of the virus. I would wait 6 weeks and retest the cat again 
 regardless of age and see if it still shows positive. You can also do an 
 IFA which tests to see if the virus has settled into the bone marrow. Once

 in the marrow it cannot be eliminated from the body.
 I have a 14 year old negative cat and a 2 year old positive cat. I do 
 not separate them, there is still a small risk allowing them together but 
 I vaccinate the negative one and cross my fingers. I don't know if I have 
 ever seen anyone on here post that a neg turned pos from mixing, again 
 though still a risk.

 Hope this helps,
 Tanya

 --- On Thu, 9/16/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 2:55 PM
 All vaccines are only about 80%
 effectiveI really don't have much
 experience with this because I have two very healthy
 FeLV+ cats, living
 separately from others. But I would think that if
 retested, being only a
 weak positive, maybe the cat will be negative! It
 seems to have been
 really run down, the immune system was definitely
 compromised, fighting an
 infection, fleasGood luck! Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Debbie Bates
 Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 1:23 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


 Bonnie, it got through! Hang in there for just a
 bitthere are many
 extremely well informed members who will have any and all
 information you
 need! I am not dealing with any felv cats, but come
 here often so that I
 stay informed

 Debbie
 We choose our joys and sorrows long before we experience
 them. - Kahlil
 Gibran



  From: ho...@sonic.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:32:46 -0700
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
  This e-mail got bounced back to meam trying one
 more time.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bonnie Hogue
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:37 PM
  Subject: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 
  It's a long story, but I'll shorten it...
  My mom has a heart cat named Lucky. She's disabled
 and no longer living
 at home. Her sister was caring for Lucky, but herself is
 unwell and
 struggling. I went over to feed the cats during her
 hospitalization and
 Lucky did not look good. I took him to the vet: bad fleas,
 possible infected
 eye and nose, and tested weak positive for feline
 leukemia. This makes my
 plan of integrating him

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-17 Thread Bonnie Hogue
Yes, Natalie.  I have one little lady who is a rehabilitated feral.  She 
raised a litter of kittens down by the creek.  Some kind people trapped them 
and found homes for thekittens, but no one wanted mama cat.  She's a lovely 
brushed coat calico.  She is sweet as pie, and Never offers to run out the 
door.  The look she gives is, Been there, done that, don't want it!  She 
has her quirks (who doesn't?) but is a very loving companion.
- Original Message - 
From: Natalie at...@optonline.net

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia



I would advise the same...do not tempt fate by letting him out again.  Use
some Feliway spray or plug-in to de-stress their/his environment!
Re: feral cats - 90% of the cats that I trap are feral!  I don't release
them; all of them adapt perfectly to living indoors - some have absolutely
no desire to use their outdoor enclosure, they must be so happy to have a
roof over their heads! Most become tame and are adopted, for some it 
happens

too late and they're too old for anyone wanting them - couch potatoes,
nonetheless!.Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
Importance: High

Some will disagree but, if you can, keeping Lucky inside will help
keep him healthy at his age even w/o the FeLV issue.  There are some
ferals who hang out at Mom's that are in that age group and I worry
about them. They can't be touched but are very wonderful cats.  I live
trapped them to s/n but they would totally stress out in a house.
Lucky has settled down into a house routine as some other ferals of
mine have.  Don't tempt fate by letting him out again.  (MHO)



On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:


Thanks, Tanya, that is helpful information.
Lucky is between 11 and 13 yrs.  My other cats are: 14, 9 and 7.  I
keep my cats _strictly_ indoors.   Lucky would have to adapt to that
life, or show me he will stay only in my yard (which, at his age, he
might do).  Thanks for the info on IFA -- I will request that.
My main fears are(1) food and water dish sharing, and (2) litter box
sharing.  I keep one box per cat, but that does not mean each cat
uses its own box.  So I suspect there is box sharing.  And I know
that they eat indiscriminately from the dishes.
- Original Message - From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia



  How old are your other cats? Cats develop some natural immunity
with age. After the age of 1-3 they become less likely to develop
FeLV. If vaccinated and over 3 the risk is there but small. How old
is the cat that tested positive? If under a year there is a good
chance the cats body can rid itself of the virus. I would wait 6
weeks and retest the cat again regardless of age and see if it
still shows positive. You can also do an IFA which tests to see if
the virus has settled into the bone marrow. Once in the marrow it
cannot be eliminated from the body.
   I have a 14 year old negative cat and a 2 year old positive cat.
I do not separate them, there is still a small risk allowing them
together but I vaccinate the negative one and cross my fingers. I
don't know if I have ever seen anyone on here post that a neg
turned pos from mixing, again though still a risk.

Hope this helps,
Tanya

--- On Thu, 9/16/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:


From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 2:55 PM
All vaccines are only about 80%
effectiveI really don't have much
experience with this because I have two very healthy
FeLV+ cats, living
separately from others. But I would think that if
retested, being only a
weak positive, maybe the cat will be negative! It
seems to have been
really run down, the immune system was definitely
compromised, fighting an
infection, fleasGood luck! Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
On Behalf Of Debbie Bates
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 1:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


Bonnie, it got through! Hang in there for just a
bitthere are many
extremely well informed members who will have any and all
information you
need! I am not dealing with any felv cats, but come
here often so that I
stay informed

Debbie
We choose our joys and sorrows long before we experience
them. - Kahlil
Gibran



 From: ho...@sonic.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:32:46 -0700
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-17 Thread Melinda Kerr
Hello all,

I haven't really posted much and I've never actually shared my story.  I will 
be brief now and say that I have a 15 month young kitty who is FeLV positive 
and receiving Chemo for mediastinal lymphoma.  The problem is, she doesn't know 
that she is supposed to be sick.  At this time there are no outward signs of 
illness.  She was allowed outside for a couple of hours at a time, never 
overnight and always staying close to home.  Now, I try to limit her to outside 
time with close supervision.  However, she has started to push the boundaries 
and is running and hiding from me.  I know she is trying to play with me and 
alleviate some of her boredom.  She spends the day begging to go out, crying 
meee u, all day long.  She races us to the door and bites at our ankles 
to try to get out.  I'm faced with the decision of just letting her go 
because her quality of life seems to depend on it.  She is otherwise quite 
content.  I am leaning toward giving her more outside time and dealing with the 
consequences.  Her chances at a long life are very limited anyway and I feel 
that I should try to make her happy.

Am I wrong to feel this way?

Melinda and Fuji

On Sep 18, 2010, at 2:52 AM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

 Yes, Natalie.  I have one little lady who is a rehabilitated feral.  She 
 raised a litter of kittens down by the creek.  Some kind people trapped them 
 and found homes for thekittens, but no one wanted mama cat.  She's a lovely 
 brushed coat calico.  She is sweet as pie, and Never offers to run out the 
 door.  The look she gives is, Been there, done that, don't want it!  She 
 has her quirks (who doesn't?) but is a very loving companion.
 - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 5:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 
 I would advise the same...do not tempt fate by letting him out again.  Use
 some Feliway spray or plug-in to de-stress their/his environment!
 Re: feral cats - 90% of the cats that I trap are feral!  I don't release
 them; all of them adapt perfectly to living indoors - some have absolutely
 no desire to use their outdoor enclosure, they must be so happy to have a
 roof over their heads! Most become tame and are adopted, for some it happens
 too late and they're too old for anyone wanting them - couch potatoes,
 nonetheless!.Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
 Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:38 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 Importance: High
 
 Some will disagree but, if you can, keeping Lucky inside will help
 keep him healthy at his age even w/o the FeLV issue.  There are some
 ferals who hang out at Mom's that are in that age group and I worry
 about them. They can't be touched but are very wonderful cats.  I live
 trapped them to s/n but they would totally stress out in a house.
 Lucky has settled down into a house routine as some other ferals of
 mine have.  Don't tempt fate by letting him out again.  (MHO)
 
 
 
 On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:
 
 Thanks, Tanya, that is helpful information.
 Lucky is between 11 and 13 yrs.  My other cats are: 14, 9 and 7.  I
 keep my cats _strictly_ indoors.   Lucky would have to adapt to that
 life, or show me he will stay only in my yard (which, at his age, he
 might do).  Thanks for the info on IFA -- I will request that.
 My main fears are(1) food and water dish sharing, and (2) litter box
 sharing.  I keep one box per cat, but that does not mean each cat
 uses its own box.  So I suspect there is box sharing.  And I know
 that they eat indiscriminately from the dishes.
 - Original Message - From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com
 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 
  How old are your other cats? Cats develop some natural immunity
 with age. After the age of 1-3 they become less likely to develop
 FeLV. If vaccinated and over 3 the risk is there but small. How old
 is the cat that tested positive? If under a year there is a good
 chance the cats body can rid itself of the virus. I would wait 6
 weeks and retest the cat again regardless of age and see if it
 still shows positive. You can also do an IFA which tests to see if
 the virus has settled into the bone marrow. Once in the marrow it
 cannot be eliminated from the body.
   I have a 14 year old negative cat and a 2 year old positive cat.
 I do not separate them, there is still a small risk allowing them
 together but I vaccinate the negative one and cross my fingers. I
 don't know if I have ever seen anyone on here post that a neg
 turned pos from mixing, again though still a risk.
 
 Hope this helps,
 Tanya
 
 --- On Thu, 9/16/10, Natalie

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-17 Thread Cougar Clan
Suggestion:  Fix her a secure kennel outside.  I put up a 12x12x6 foot  
kennel with a topper (anything, including a tarp, will work.  I used  
left over chain link).  Daddy had a piece of ductwork fixed so Ebony  
and Mi Tu could go to a window in a bath, go through a pet door, walk  
out in the ductwork and down a ramp into a kennel fitted with plastic  
milk crates and other toys.   Both cats were FeLV-, healthy and  
wonderful.  Ebony had been a street cat until about age 3 +.  He  
became a yard cat then an inside outside cat then he and I moved and  
he needed to be an inside cat with a play area.  The cost was less  
than $300 and I rested secure in the knowledge that Ebony (who was  
getting older) and Mi Tu (who had never lived inside) had a safe place  
to go.


If you just let her go you are endangering other cats she may come  
into contact with.  You may be subjecting her to a painful death too.   
If she becomes sick, other animals will prey on her.  I'll leave the  
details to you.  I don't tell you this to scare you but to be sure you  
realize what you may be doing.  Dixie was grown when she can into my  
life.  She was FeLV+ and very alone.  She became a garage cat then a  
house trailer cat then a two house cat who had everything.  I thought  
about just letting her go but could not do that to the other cats that  
depended on me...nor could I face what might happen to her.  We  
live in the country with dogs, coyotes, hawks and.well, you get  
the idea.


With a lot of stress-reducers, your little one will adjust.  Actually,  
getting a companion who is FELV+ may be the best answer.



On Sep 17, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Melinda Kerr wrote:


Hello all,

I haven't really posted much and I've never actually shared my  
story.  I will be brief now and say that I have a 15 month young  
kitty who is FeLV positive and receiving Chemo for mediastinal  
lymphoma.  The problem is, she doesn't know that she is supposed to  
be sick.  At this time there are no outward signs of illness.  She  
was allowed outside for a couple of hours at a time, never overnight  
and always staying close to home.  Now, I try to limit her to  
outside time with close supervision.  However, she has started to  
push the boundaries and is running and hiding from me.  I know she  
is trying to play with me and alleviate some of her boredom.  She  
spends the day begging to go out, crying meee u, all day  
long.  She races us to the door and bites at our ankles to try to  
get out.  I'm faced with the decision of just letting her go  
because her quality of life seems to depend on it.  She is otherwise  
quite content.  I am leaning toward giving her more outside time and  
dealing with the consequences.  Her chances at a long life are very  
limited anyway and I feel that I should try to make her happy.


Am I wrong to feel this way?

Melinda and Fuji

On Sep 18, 2010, at 2:52 AM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

Yes, Natalie.  I have one little lady who is a rehabilitated  
feral.  She raised a litter of kittens down by the creek.  Some  
kind people trapped them and found homes for thekittens, but no one  
wanted mama cat.  She's a lovely brushed coat calico.  She is sweet  
as pie, and Never offers to run out the door.  The look she gives  
is, Been there, done that, don't want it!  She has her quirks  
(who doesn't?) but is a very loving companion.

- Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


I would advise the same...do not tempt fate by letting him out  
again.  Use

some Feliway spray or plug-in to de-stress their/his environment!
Re: feral cats - 90% of the cats that I trap are feral!  I don't  
release
them; all of them adapt perfectly to living indoors - some have  
absolutely
no desire to use their outdoor enclosure, they must be so happy to  
have a
roof over their heads! Most become tame and are adopted, for some  
it happens
too late and they're too old for anyone wanting them - couch  
potatoes,

nonetheless!.Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar  
Clan

Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
Importance: High

Some will disagree but, if you can, keeping Lucky inside will help
keep him healthy at his age even w/o the FeLV issue.  There are some
ferals who hang out at Mom's that are in that age group and I worry
about them. They can't be touched but are very wonderful cats.  I  
live

trapped them to s/n but they would totally stress out in a house.
Lucky has settled down into a house routine as some other ferals of
mine have.  Don't tempt fate by letting him out again.  (MHO)



On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:


Thanks, Tanya, that is helpful information

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-17 Thread Dawn Bartholomew

Melinda,
I am new to this site.  My kitty is also is the same age as your, is FeLV+ 
and had mediastinal lymphoma.  Can you give  me more info:  when diagnosed, 
when started chemo, any other treatments?
My cat was really sick and almost lost him several times in July and August, 
this month he is doing better.  We are doing the WM chemo week # 7.  He has 
been on Interferon since July and LCTI since 7/31.
He has good days and bad days, but more good now.  His chest kept filling up 
with fluid and had to get him tapped several times.  Please give me more 
info.


Dawn

--
From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 5:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


Hello all,

I haven't really posted much and I've never actually shared my story.  I 
will be brief now and say that I have a 15 month young kitty who is FeLV 
positive and receiving Chemo for mediastinal lymphoma.  The problem is, 
she doesn't know that she is supposed to be sick.  At this time there are 
no outward signs of illness.  She was allowed outside for a couple of 
hours at a time, never overnight and always staying close to home.  Now, I 
try to limit her to outside time with close supervision.  However, she has 
started to push the boundaries and is running and hiding from me.  I know 
she is trying to play with me and alleviate some of her boredom.  She 
spends the day begging to go out, crying meee u, all day long. 
She races us to the door and bites at our ankles to try to get out.  I'm 
faced with the decision of just letting her go because her quality of 
life seems to depend on it.  She is otherwise quite content.  I am leaning 
toward giving her more outside time and dealing with the consequences. 
Her chances at a long life are very limited anyway and I feel that I 
should try to make her happy.


Am I wrong to feel this way?

Melinda and Fuji

On Sep 18, 2010, at 2:52 AM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:

Yes, Natalie.  I have one little lady who is a rehabilitated feral. 
She raised a litter of kittens down by the creek.  Some kind people 
trapped them and found homes for thekittens, but no one wanted mama cat. 
She's a lovely brushed coat calico.  She is sweet as pie, and Never 
offers to run out the door.  The look she gives is, Been there, done 
that, don't want it!  She has her quirks (who doesn't?) but is a very 
loving companion.

- Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


I would advise the same...do not tempt fate by letting him out again. 
Use

some Feliway spray or plug-in to de-stress their/his environment!
Re: feral cats - 90% of the cats that I trap are feral!  I don't release
them; all of them adapt perfectly to living indoors - some have 
absolutely
no desire to use their outdoor enclosure, they must be so happy to have 
a
roof over their heads! Most become tame and are adopted, for some it 
happens

too late and they're too old for anyone wanting them - couch potatoes,
nonetheless!.Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
Importance: High

Some will disagree but, if you can, keeping Lucky inside will help
keep him healthy at his age even w/o the FeLV issue.  There are some
ferals who hang out at Mom's that are in that age group and I worry
about them. They can't be touched but are very wonderful cats.  I live
trapped them to s/n but they would totally stress out in a house.
Lucky has settled down into a house routine as some other ferals of
mine have.  Don't tempt fate by letting him out again.  (MHO)



On Sep 16, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:


Thanks, Tanya, that is helpful information.
Lucky is between 11 and 13 yrs.  My other cats are: 14, 9 and 7.  I
keep my cats _strictly_ indoors.   Lucky would have to adapt to that
life, or show me he will stay only in my yard (which, at his age, he
might do).  Thanks for the info on IFA -- I will request that.
My main fears are(1) food and water dish sharing, and (2) litter box
sharing.  I keep one box per cat, but that does not mean each cat
uses its own box.  So I suspect there is box sharing.  And I know
that they eat indiscriminately from the dishes.
- Original Message - From: TANYA NOE 
sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com


To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia



 How old are your other cats? Cats develop some natural immunity
with age. After the age of 1-3 they become less likely to develop
FeLV. If vaccinated and over 3 the risk is there but small. How old
is the cat that tested

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-17 Thread Melinda Kerr
What a wonderful kennel setup you have and I truly appreciate the detailed 
suggestion.  We live on a military base in Japan and our whole yard isn't even 
the size of your kennel.  I'm not even sure if chain link is something I could 
purchase here.  Maybe if she hangs on until we move back to the states I will 
be able to use your suggestion.
Thank you.


On Sep 18, 2010, at 6:49 AM, Cougar Clan wrote:

 Suggestion:  Fix her a secure kennel outside.  I put up a 12x12x6 foot kennel 
 with a topper (anything, including a tarp, will work.  I used left over chain 
 link).  Daddy had a piece of ductwork fixed so Ebony and Mi Tu could go to a 
 window in a bath, go through a pet door, walk out in the ductwork and down a 
 ramp into a kennel fitted with plastic milk crates and other toys.   Both 
 cats were FeLV-, healthy and wonderful.  Ebony had been a street cat until 
 about age 3 +.  He became a yard cat then an inside outside cat then he and I 
 moved and he needed to be an inside cat with a play area.  The cost was less 
 than $300 and I rested secure in the knowledge that Ebony (who was getting 
 older) and Mi Tu (who had never lived inside) had a safe place to go.
 
 If you just let her go you are endangering other cats she may come into 
 contact with.  You may be subjecting her to a painful death too.  If she 
 becomes sick, other animals will prey on her.  I'll leave the details to you. 
  I don't tell you this to scare you but to be sure you realize what you may 
 be doing.  Dixie was grown when she can into my life.  She was FeLV+ and very 
 alone.  She became a garage cat then a house trailer cat then a two house cat 
 who had everything.  I thought about just letting her go but could not do 
 that to the other cats that depended on me...nor could I face what might 
 happen to her.  We live in the country with dogs, coyotes, hawks 
 and.well, you get the idea.
 
 With a lot of stress-reducers, your little one will adjust.  Actually, 
 getting a companion who is FELV+ may be the best answer.
 
 
 On Sep 17, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Melinda Kerr wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 I haven't really posted much and I've never actually shared my story.  I 
 will be brief now and say that I have a 15 month young kitty who is FeLV 
 positive and receiving Chemo for mediastinal lymphoma.  The problem is, she 
 doesn't know that she is supposed to be sick.  At this time there are no 
 outward signs of illness.  She was allowed outside for a couple of hours at 
 a time, never overnight and always staying close to home.  Now, I try to 
 limit her to outside time with close supervision.  However, she has started 
 to push the boundaries and is running and hiding from me.  I know she is 
 trying to play with me and alleviate some of her boredom.  She spends the 
 day begging to go out, crying meee u, all day long.  She races us to 
 the door and bites at our ankles to try to get out.  I'm faced with the 
 decision of just letting her go because her quality of life seems to 
 depend on it.  She is otherwise quite content.  I am leaning toward giving 
 her more outside time and dealing with the consequences.  Her chances at a 
 long life are very limited anyway and I feel that I should try to make her 
 happy.
 
 Am I wrong to feel this way?
 
 Melinda and Fuji
 
 On Sep 18, 2010, at 2:52 AM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:
 
 Yes, Natalie.  I have one little lady who is a rehabilitated feral.  She 
 raised a litter of kittens down by the creek.  Some kind people trapped 
 them and found homes for thekittens, but no one wanted mama cat.  She's a 
 lovely brushed coat calico.  She is sweet as pie, and Never offers to run 
 out the door.  The look she gives is, Been there, done that, don't want 
 it!  She has her quirks (who doesn't?) but is a very loving companion.
 - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 5:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 
 I would advise the same...do not tempt fate by letting him out again.  Use
 some Feliway spray or plug-in to de-stress their/his environment!
 Re: feral cats - 90% of the cats that I trap are feral!  I don't release
 them; all of them adapt perfectly to living indoors - some have absolutely
 no desire to use their outdoor enclosure, they must be so happy to have a
 roof over their heads! Most become tame and are adopted, for some it 
 happens
 too late and they're too old for anyone wanting them - couch potatoes,
 nonetheless!.Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Cougar Clan
 Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 8:38 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 Importance: High
 
 Some will disagree but, if you can, keeping Lucky inside will help
 keep him healthy at his age even w/o the FeLV issue.  There are some
 ferals who

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-17 Thread Melinda Kerr
I forgot to add that on our very small base there are no wild animals, most 
strays are caught almost immediately ( Fuji is collared and chipped) and the 
likelihood of Fuji coming across and getting into a confrontation with another 
cat are very slim.  Most people who have cats brought them from the states and 
have already had them vaccinated.  Again, very few are actually let out.  The 
speed limit on most of the base is less than 40 kilometers per hour (about 25 
mph.)  I know there are a lot of things she can come across if she goes 
outside.  I'll probably keep trying to sit out with her as I have done since 
she got sick.  However, if she occasionally manages to escape my clutches, I 
won't worry too much!  She stays pretty close and always comes home in a couple 
of hours.  I really am trying to do my best to keep her healthy and happy.  

Thanks again for your input and concern.  

Melinda and Fuji  
On Sep 18, 2010, at 6:49 AM, Cougar Clan wrote:

 Suggestion:  Fix her a secure kennel outside.  I put up a 12x12x6 foot kennel 
 with a topper (anything, including a tarp, will work.  I used left over chain 
 link).  Daddy had a piece of ductwork fixed so Ebony and Mi Tu could go to a 
 window in a bath, go through a pet door, walk out in the ductwork and down a 
 ramp into a kennel fitted with plastic milk crates and other toys.   Both 
 cats were FeLV-, healthy and wonderful.  Ebony had been a street cat until 
 about age 3 +.  He became a yard cat then an inside outside cat then he and I 
 moved and he needed to be an inside cat with a play area.  The cost was less 
 than $300 and I rested secure in the knowledge that Ebony (who was getting 
 older) and Mi Tu (who had never lived inside) had a safe place to go.
 
 If you just let her go you are endangering other cats she may come into 
 contact with.  You may be subjecting her to a painful death too.  If she 
 becomes sick, other animals will prey on her.  I'll leave the details to you. 
  I don't tell you this to scare you but to be sure you realize what you may 
 be doing.  Dixie was grown when she can into my life.  She was FeLV+ and very 
 alone.  She became a garage cat then a house trailer cat then a two house cat 
 who had everything.  I thought about just letting her go but could not do 
 that to the other cats that depended on me...nor could I face what might 
 happen to her.  We live in the country with dogs, coyotes, hawks 
 and.well, you get the idea.
 
 With a lot of stress-reducers, your little one will adjust.  Actually, 
 getting a companion who is FELV+ may be the best answer.
 
 
 On Sep 17, 2010, at 4:33 PM, Melinda Kerr wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 I haven't really posted much and I've never actually shared my story.  I 
 will be brief now and say that I have a 15 month young kitty who is FeLV 
 positive and receiving Chemo for mediastinal lymphoma.  The problem is, she 
 doesn't know that she is supposed to be sick.  At this time there are no 
 outward signs of illness.  She was allowed outside for a couple of hours at 
 a time, never overnight and always staying close to home.  Now, I try to 
 limit her to outside time with close supervision.  However, she has started 
 to push the boundaries and is running and hiding from me.  I know she is 
 trying to play with me and alleviate some of her boredom.  She spends the 
 day begging to go out, crying meee u, all day long.  She races us to 
 the door and bites at our ankles to try to get out.  I'm faced with the 
 decision of just letting her go because her quality of life seems to 
 depend on it.  She is otherwise quite content.  I am leaning toward giving 
 her more outside time and dealing with the consequences.  Her chances at a 
 long life are very limited anyway and I feel that I should try to make her 
 happy.
 
 Am I wrong to feel this way?
 
 Melinda and Fuji
 
 On Sep 18, 2010, at 2:52 AM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:
 
 Yes, Natalie.  I have one little lady who is a rehabilitated feral.  She 
 raised a litter of kittens down by the creek.  Some kind people trapped 
 them and found homes for thekittens, but no one wanted mama cat.  She's a 
 lovely brushed coat calico.  She is sweet as pie, and Never offers to run 
 out the door.  The look she gives is, Been there, done that, don't want 
 it!  She has her quirks (who doesn't?) but is a very loving companion.
 - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 5:54 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 
 I would advise the same...do not tempt fate by letting him out again.  Use
 some Feliway spray or plug-in to de-stress their/his environment!
 Re: feral cats - 90% of the cats that I trap are feral!  I don't release
 them; all of them adapt perfectly to living indoors - some have absolutely
 no desire to use their outdoor enclosure, they must be so happy to have a
 roof over their heads! Most become tame and are adopted

[Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-16 Thread Bonnie Hogue
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- Original Message - 
From: Bonnie Hogue 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:37 PM
Subject: New to Feline Leukemia


It's a long story, but I'll shorten it...
My mom has a heart cat named Lucky.  She's disabled and no longer living at 
home.  Her sister was caring for Lucky, but herself is unwell and struggling.  
I went over to feed the cats during her hospitalization and Lucky did not look 
good.  I took him to the vet: bad fleas, possible infected eye and nose, and 
tested weak positive for feline leukemia.  This makes my plan of integrating 
him into my 3-cat household a real challenge.  The vet said I could get my 
three cats vaccinated providing 80% protection... Meanwhile, Lucky is 
sequestered in the spare bedroom, taking antibiotics (what a good cat!) and 
healing.  I'm trying to figure out how to make this work, longer term.
Ideas???
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-16 Thread Debbie Bates

Bonnie, it got through!  Hang in there for just a bitthere are many 
extremely well informed members who will have any and all information you need! 
 I am not dealing with any felv cats, but come here often so that I stay 
informed

Debbie 
We choose our joys and sorrows long before we experience them. - Kahlil Gibran


 
 From: ho...@sonic.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:32:46 -0700
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 This e-mail got bounced back to meam trying one more time.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Bonnie Hogue 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:37 PM
 Subject: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 
 It's a long story, but I'll shorten it...
 My mom has a heart cat named Lucky. She's disabled and no longer living at 
 home. Her sister was caring for Lucky, but herself is unwell and struggling. 
 I went over to feed the cats during her hospitalization and Lucky did not 
 look good. I took him to the vet: bad fleas, possible infected eye and nose, 
 and tested weak positive for feline leukemia. This makes my plan of 
 integrating him into my 3-cat household a real challenge. The vet said I 
 could get my three cats vaccinated providing 80% protection... Meanwhile, 
 Lucky is sequestered in the spare bedroom, taking antibiotics (what a good 
 cat!) and healing. I'm trying to figure out how to make this work, longer 
 term.
 Ideas???
 Thank you!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-16 Thread Bonnie Hogue

Thank you, Debbie.
I'll check back on the postings in a few days to see if anyone has any 
suggestions.

Peace.
B.
- Original Message - 
From: Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia




Bonnie, it got through!  Hang in there for just a bitthere are many 
extremely well informed members who will have any and all information you 
need!  I am not dealing with any felv cats, but come here often so that I 
stay informed


Debbie
We choose our joys and sorrows long before we experience them. - Kahlil 
Gibran





From: ho...@sonic.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:32:46 -0700
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

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From: Bonnie Hogue

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:37 PM
Subject: New to Feline Leukemia


It's a long story, but I'll shorten it...
My mom has a heart cat named Lucky. She's disabled and no longer living 
at home. Her sister was caring for Lucky, but herself is unwell and 
struggling. I went over to feed the cats during her hospitalization and 
Lucky did not look good. I took him to the vet: bad fleas, possible 
infected eye and nose, and tested weak positive for feline leukemia. 
This makes my plan of integrating him into my 3-cat household a real 
challenge. The vet said I could get my three cats vaccinated providing 
80% protection... Meanwhile, Lucky is sequestered in the spare bedroom, 
taking antibiotics (what a good cat!) and healing. I'm trying to figure 
out how to make this work, longer term.

Ideas???
Thank you!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-16 Thread Natalie
I got it the first time!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 12:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
Importance: High

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- Original Message - 
From: Bonnie Hogue 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:37 PM
Subject: New to Feline Leukemia


It's a long story, but I'll shorten it...
My mom has a heart cat named Lucky.  She's disabled and no longer living
at home.  Her sister was caring for Lucky, but herself is unwell and
struggling.  I went over to feed the cats during her hospitalization and
Lucky did not look good.  I took him to the vet: bad fleas, possible
infected eye and nose, and tested weak positive for feline leukemia.  This
makes my plan of integrating him into my 3-cat household a real challenge.
The vet said I could get my three cats vaccinated providing 80%
protection... Meanwhile, Lucky is sequestered in the spare bedroom, taking
antibiotics (what a good cat!) and healing.  I'm trying to figure out how to
make this work, longer term.
Ideas???
Thank you!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-16 Thread Natalie
All vaccines are only about 80% effectiveI really don't have much
experience with this because  I have two very healthy FeLV+ cats, living
separately from others.  But I would think that if retested, being only a
weak positive, maybe the cat will be negative!  It seems to have been
really run down, the immune system was definitely compromised, fighting an
infection, fleasGood luck!  Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Bates
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 1:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


Bonnie, it got through!  Hang in there for just a bitthere are many
extremely well informed members who will have any and all information you
need!  I am not dealing with any felv cats, but come here often so that I
stay informed

Debbie 
We choose our joys and sorrows long before we experience them. - Kahlil
Gibran


 
 From: ho...@sonic.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:32:46 -0700
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 This e-mail got bounced back to meam trying one more time.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Bonnie Hogue 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:37 PM
 Subject: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 
 It's a long story, but I'll shorten it...
 My mom has a heart cat named Lucky. She's disabled and no longer living
at home. Her sister was caring for Lucky, but herself is unwell and
struggling. I went over to feed the cats during her hospitalization and
Lucky did not look good. I took him to the vet: bad fleas, possible infected
eye and nose, and tested weak positive for feline leukemia. This makes my
plan of integrating him into my 3-cat household a real challenge. The vet
said I could get my three cats vaccinated providing 80% protection...
Meanwhile, Lucky is sequestered in the spare bedroom, taking antibiotics
(what a good cat!) and healing. I'm trying to figure out how to make this
work, longer term.
 Ideas???
 Thank you!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-16 Thread Cougar Clan
Don't wait days to check.  If it came through, and it did, you will be  
getting information in days if not hours.  This is an extremely caring  
group of people with a common hate..this awful diseaseand a  
love of the living.

On Sep 16, 2010, at 12:53 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote:


Thank you, Debbie.
I'll check back on the postings in a few days to see if anyone has  
any suggestions.

Peace.
B.
- Original Message - From: Debbie Bates  
dlh1...@hotmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia




Bonnie, it got through!  Hang in there for just a bitthere are  
many extremely well informed members who will have any and all  
information you need!  I am not dealing with any felv cats, but  
come here often so that I stay informed


Debbie
We choose our joys and sorrows long before we experience them. -  
Kahlil Gibran





From: ho...@sonic.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:32:46 -0700
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

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- Original Message - From: Bonnie Hogue
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:37 PM
Subject: New to Feline Leukemia


It's a long story, but I'll shorten it...
My mom has a heart cat named Lucky. She's disabled and no longer  
living at home. Her sister was caring for Lucky, but herself is  
unwell and struggling. I went over to feed the cats during her  
hospitalization and Lucky did not look good. I took him to the  
vet: bad fleas, possible infected eye and nose, and tested weak  
positive for feline leukemia. This makes my plan of integrating  
him into my 3-cat household a real challenge. The vet said I could  
get my three cats vaccinated providing 80% protection...  
Meanwhile, Lucky is sequestered in the spare bedroom, taking  
antibiotics (what a good cat!) and healing. I'm trying to figure  
out how to make this work, longer term.

Ideas???
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-16 Thread TANYA NOE
How old are your other cats? Cats develop some natural immunity with age. 
After the age of 1-3 they become less likely to develop FeLV. If vaccinated and 
over 3 the risk is there but small. How old is the cat that tested positive? If 
under a year there is a good chance the cats body can rid itself of the virus. 
I would wait 6 weeks and retest the cat again regardless of age and see if it 
still shows positive. You can also do an IFA which tests to see if the virus 
has settled into the bone marrow. Once in the marrow it cannot be eliminated 
from the body.
 I have a 14 year old negative cat and a 2 year old positive cat. I do not 
separate them, there is still a small risk allowing them together but I 
vaccinate the negative one and cross my fingers. I don't know if I have ever 
seen anyone on here post that a neg turned pos from mixing, again though still 
a risk.

Hope this helps,
Tanya

--- On Thu, 9/16/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 2:55 PM
 All vaccines are only about 80%
 effectiveI really don't have much
 experience with this because  I have two very healthy
 FeLV+ cats, living
 separately from others.  But I would think that if
 retested, being only a
 weak positive, maybe the cat will be negative!  It
 seems to have been
 really run down, the immune system was definitely
 compromised, fighting an
 infection, fleasGood luck!  Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Debbie Bates
 Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 1:23 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
 
 
 Bonnie, it got through!  Hang in there for just a
 bitthere are many
 extremely well informed members who will have any and all
 information you
 need!  I am not dealing with any felv cats, but come
 here often so that I
 stay informed
 
 Debbie 
 We choose our joys and sorrows long before we experience
 them. - Kahlil
 Gibran
 
 
  
  From: ho...@sonic.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:32:46 -0700
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
  
  This e-mail got bounced back to meam trying one
 more time.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bonnie Hogue 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:37 PM
  Subject: New to Feline Leukemia
  
  
  It's a long story, but I'll shorten it...
  My mom has a heart cat named Lucky. She's disabled
 and no longer living
 at home. Her sister was caring for Lucky, but herself is
 unwell and
 struggling. I went over to feed the cats during her
 hospitalization and
 Lucky did not look good. I took him to the vet: bad fleas,
 possible infected
 eye and nose, and tested weak positive for feline
 leukemia. This makes my
 plan of integrating him into my 3-cat household a real
 challenge. The vet
 said I could get my three cats vaccinated providing 80%
 protection...
 Meanwhile, Lucky is sequestered in the spare bedroom,
 taking antibiotics
 (what a good cat!) and healing. I'm trying to figure out
 how to make this
 work, longer term.
  Ideas???
  Thank you!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

2010-09-16 Thread Bonnie Hogue

Thanks, Tanya, that is helpful information.
Lucky is between 11 and 13 yrs.  My other cats are: 14, 9 and 7.  I keep my 
cats _strictly_ indoors.   Lucky would have to adapt to that life, or show 
me he will stay only in my yard (which, at his age, he might do).  Thanks 
for the info on IFA -- I will request that.
My main fears are(1) food and water dish sharing, and (2) litter box 
sharing.  I keep one box per cat, but that does not mean each cat uses its 
own box.  So I suspect there is box sharing.  And I know that they eat 
indiscriminately from the dishes.
- Original Message - 
From: TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


   How old are your other cats? Cats develop some natural immunity with 
age. After the age of 1-3 they become less likely to develop FeLV. If 
vaccinated and over 3 the risk is there but small. How old is the cat that 
tested positive? If under a year there is a good chance the cats body can 
rid itself of the virus. I would wait 6 weeks and retest the cat again 
regardless of age and see if it still shows positive. You can also do an 
IFA which tests to see if the virus has settled into the bone marrow. Once 
in the marrow it cannot be eliminated from the body.
I have a 14 year old negative cat and a 2 year old positive cat. I do 
not separate them, there is still a small risk allowing them together but 
I vaccinate the negative one and cross my fingers. I don't know if I have 
ever seen anyone on here post that a neg turned pos from mixing, again 
though still a risk.


Hope this helps,
Tanya

--- On Thu, 9/16/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:


From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 2:55 PM
All vaccines are only about 80%
effectiveI really don't have much
experience with this because I have two very healthy
FeLV+ cats, living
separately from others. But I would think that if
retested, being only a
weak positive, maybe the cat will be negative! It
seems to have been
really run down, the immune system was definitely
compromised, fighting an
infection, fleasGood luck! Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
On Behalf Of Debbie Bates
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 1:23 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia


Bonnie, it got through! Hang in there for just a
bitthere are many
extremely well informed members who will have any and all
information you
need! I am not dealing with any felv cats, but come
here often so that I
stay informed

Debbie
We choose our joys and sorrows long before we experience
them. - Kahlil
Gibran



 From: ho...@sonic.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 09:32:46 -0700
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: New to Feline Leukemia

 This e-mail got bounced back to meam trying one
more time.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Bonnie Hogue

 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 9:37 PM
 Subject: New to Feline Leukemia


 It's a long story, but I'll shorten it...
 My mom has a heart cat named Lucky. She's disabled
and no longer living
at home. Her sister was caring for Lucky, but herself is
unwell and
struggling. I went over to feed the cats during her
hospitalization and
Lucky did not look good. I took him to the vet: bad fleas,
possible infected
eye and nose, and tested weak positive for feline
leukemia. This makes my
plan of integrating him into my 3-cat household a real
challenge. The vet
said I could get my three cats vaccinated providing 80%
protection...
Meanwhile, Lucky is sequestered in the spare bedroom,
taking antibiotics
(what a good cat!) and healing. I'm trying to figure out
how to make this
work, longer term.
 Ideas???
 Thank you!
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