On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 12:02 AM, Kelley S <moonv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I personally am extremely glad they are property. Otherwise some other > person who thinks they know better could decide Coco should be euthanized > because she is positive, could see my dog out running around in my yard and > think that is not good and take him and put him in their car and leave, > such things have already happened. I don't want a CPS like organization > deciding how my animals should be taken care of and when they should be > PTS. > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 11:48 PM, <dlg...@windstream.net> wrote: > >> This is off topic, but I keep getting some of member emails in my trash >> box instead of the inbox. Is this hapening to anyone else? >> >> ---- Kelley S <moonv...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > In Texas, they were found to be a special kind of property like a >> > photograph...but then that was rescinded...not sure what the status is >> > now..but at any rate you do sign a disclaimer saying you will not sue >> so... >> > >> > On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> > > I'm a lawyer. First, I can tell you that there wouldn’t be much of a >> > > lawsuit in the passing of an ill cat (or even a healthy one for that >> matter >> > > - they are just properly under the law) and second, writing down and >> > > signing that you take full responsibility in that circumstance, is an >> > > almost impossible hurdle to overcome. Vets in Canada don’t get sued >> very >> > > much at all, so I would be surprised if this was even a consideration >> for >> > > them here. I don’t know the circumstances in the U.S., but they are >> still >> > > considered property (chattel) so I doubt things would be much >> different in >> > > the legal sphere. >> > > >> > > Amani >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On >> Behalf Of >> > > dlg...@windstream.net >> > > Sent: October-24-15 3:57 PM >> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update >> > > >> > > tHEY ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF LAWSUITS, THE CAT DIES AND NO MATTER >> WHAT >> > > YOU SAID BEFORE, YOU MIGHT SUE. >> > > >> > > ---- Maya D'Alessio <mde...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing >> > > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but >> in >> > > > most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is >> > > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of >> a >> > > > concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that >> > > > have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to >> > > > use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a >> two >> > > > vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has >> > > > been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was >> > > > quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really >> > > > interested in hearing me out >> > > > >> > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio >> > > > <mrdal...@uwaterloo.ca> >> > > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing >> > > > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but >> > > > > in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat >> is >> > > > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less >> of >> > > > > a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs >> > > > > that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they >> > > > > wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative >> anemia! >> > > > > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very >> > > > > understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've >> > > > > been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other >> > > > > vet is not really interested in hearing me out >> > > > > >> > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley >> > > > > <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > >> Ardy – good for you! >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back >> > > > >> and tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal >> with a >> > > > >> bad outcome if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be >> > > left with “what-ifs”. >> > > > >> That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. >> > > > >> This is MY cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not >> > > > >> too interested in whatever weird perspectives they may have on >> what >> > > > >> is politically okay or not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I >> > > > >> think it IS all about athletic doping scandals). >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Amani >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] >> *On >> > > > >> Behalf Of *Ardy Robertson >> > > > >> *Sent:* October-23-15 7:57 PM >> > > > >> >> > > > >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > > > >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk >> but >> > > > >> they said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one >> > > > >> talked to me and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I >> > > > >> would like the 4 vets in the office to either speak with me in a >> > > > >> group, or talk amongst themselves and then I would come in and >> talk >> > > > >> about my Tigger’s future treatment. I talked about Winstrol to >> him, >> > > > >> and he promised to check with the veterinary specialists and see >> > > > >> what they have to say about it. I told him I wanted to know about >> > > > >> Tigger’s bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but no one has given >> me >> > > > >> any results so I am really in the dark). I told him I want to be >> > > > >> pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat things that pop >> up. >> > > > >> He made a lot of promises to me, and I sincerely hope he follows >> > > > >> through. I tried to impress upon him how important our little >> > > > >> furball is to us, and that he deserves to have everything >> possible >> > > > >> done for him. I told him I am willing to do the supportive care >> > > > >> longterm or whatever is necessary, but did not want to do the >> > > > >> unnecessary things. My goal is to change their minds about >> > > > >> instantly writing off kitties who happen to be unfortunate >> enough to >> > > have this virus. I am so happy I found your group because I see that >> > > everyone who has posted seems to be of the same opinion. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Ardy Robertson >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Osseo, WI >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org >> > > > >> <felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] *On Behalf Of *Maya >> > > > >> D'Alessio >> > > > >> *Sent:* Friday, October 23, 2015 7:08 AM >> > > > >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > > > >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Good luck Kelley! Let me know how your vet reacts about the >> Winstrol. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:51 AM, <dlg...@windstream.net> wrote: >> > > > >> >> > > > >> tHAT IS WHAT MY VET SAID WHEN i GOT ANNIE. THE OTHERS ARE SAFE >> IF >> > > > >> THEY ARE VACCINATED. >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> ---- Kelley S <moonv...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > >> > Well, I am happy to say she is eating like a champ. She ate >> one >> > > > >> serviing >> > > > >> > of Prowl today, plus a can of food, plus some dry food - I >> don't >> > > > >> > really like her eating dry but it will put weight on her. >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > Best of all, my vet say he has no problems letting her in with >> > > > >> > the rest >> > > > >> of >> > > > >> > my vaccinated cats. I have 2 more vaccinations to go, one is >> > > > >> > tomorrow >> > > > >> and >> > > > >> > the other one is next Friday. He even said when he brought the >> > > > >> > FELV+ kittens to his house, he made sure his other cats were >> > > > >> > vaccinated first >> > > > >> and >> > > > >> > then let them in with the others. >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > I'm going to try my best to ask again about Winstrol tomorrow. >> > > > >> > >> > > > >> > Kelley >> > > > >> >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> > > > >> Felvtalk mailing list >> > > > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > > > >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia. >> > > > >> org >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> -- >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Maya D'Alessio >> > > > >> >> > > > >> PhD student >> > > > >> >> > > > >> B1 377B, x32320 >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator >> > > > >> >> > > > >> Biology GSA Vice Chair >> > > > >> >> > > > >> GSA Director At-Large >> > > > >> >> > > > >> University of Waterloo >> > > > >> >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> > > > >> Felvtalk mailing list >> > > > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > > > >> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia. >> > > > >> org >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > -- >> > > > > Maya D'Alessio >> > > > > PhD candidate >> > > > > President >> > > > > Graduate Student Association >> > > > > COM 104 >> > > > > University of Waterloo >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Maya D'Alessio >> > > > PhD student >> > > > B1 377B, x32320 >> > > > Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator Biology GSA Vice Chair >> GSA >> > > > Director At-Large University of Waterloo >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Felvtalk mailing list >> > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Felvtalk mailing list >> > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> > > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > >> >> >
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